May 7, 2012 
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I'm new to Solaris. I downloaded and installed Solaris 11, so I wasn't sure where it started to cost money.[07:07:49] <timsf> It costs money if you want to use it in production, it's free for evaluation and development use under the terms of the OTN license.[07:08:22] <mel> timsf, so all the security updates, and pkg updates are free also?[07:08:28] <timsf> nope.[07:08:37] <timsf> you get those when you get a support contract.[07:09:01] <timsf> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/licenses/solaris-cluster-express-license-167852.html and http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/downloads/index.html have details[07:09:06] <mel> timsf, oic I was wondering about that. 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has quit IRC[18:16:37] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[18:22:37] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[18:22:45] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[18:26:41] *** tw2carlo88 has joined #opensolaris[18:33:18] <Berny> 'lo[18:34:58] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[18:35:57] <Berny> not 100% related to opensolaris - but I think I've seen a few mac users here... problem with osx 10.7.x: when connecting via ssh to a (open)solaris box and run some x-clients the x-server on the mac refuses new clients after a while (x connection broken - explicit kill or server shutdown). has anyone seen this?[18:43:05] *** Morfio has joined #opensolaris[18:49:13] <Triskelios> might be a better question for #xquartz[18:51:40] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[18:59:02] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[19:05:33] <tsoome> most likely reason is some firewall killing the idle connections[19:06:06] <tsoome> I havent seen any other reason for such case[19:10:44] <Berny> funny thing the macs running 10.6.8 don't show that behaviour[19:10:54] <Berny> but i'll check for firewall settings[19:12:53] <Berny> problem atm - i don't have a mac to test (yet). i'm only the solaris admin :-)[19:16:31] *** iceq has quit IRC[19:20:35] *** iceq has joined #opensolaris[19:20:50] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[19:21:30] *** tw2carlo88 has quit IRC[19:23:43] *** deet has joined #opensolaris[19:25:06] <tsoome> i have 10.7.3 and never seen such thing against solaris (10/opensolaris/11)[19:26:02] <tsoome> but then again, our firewalls do kill idle sessions - if I let some connection be unattended, it will be killed....[19:27:58] <Berny> actually the macs and solaris boxes are on the same subnet, no firewall (except maybe a macos fw) in between[19:28:26] <Berny> xclients running on solaris work fine at first, and new clients fail after about 15min[19:28:50] <Berny> no difference btw way when I set the DISPLAY to the mac xserver directly[19:29:22] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[19:29:31] *** W0rmDrink has quit IRC[19:32:18] 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*** ewdafa has quit IRC[21:10:36] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[21:10:53] *** iceq has joined #opensolaris[21:15:37] *** ewdafa_ has joined #opensolaris[21:17:09] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[21:21:16] *** comay has quit IRC[21:23:04] *** Norrin__ has joined #opensolaris[21:25:27] *** Norrin_ has quit IRC[21:26:24] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[21:39:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[21:42:43] *** Morfio has quit IRC[21:45:43] *** SphericalCow has joined #opensolaris[21:48:04] *** rwbisson has joined #opensolaris[21:49:49] <Berny> jelmd, been there, done that :-P[21:50:17] <jelmd> :)[21:50:19] <Berny> same thing[21:51:27] <jelmd> something like this in the mac xterm: 'ssh -X dst; xterm'[21:53:27] <Berny> same thing :-\[21:54:28] <jelmd> strange[21:56:53] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[21:58:50] *** fisted has joined #opensolaris[21:59:22] *** koolniczka has joined #opensolaris[22:03:37] *** koolniczka has quit IRC[22:03:55] *** koolniczka has joined #opensolaris[22:04:51] *** koolniczka has joined #opensolaris[22:05:17] *** voidcoder has joined #opensolaris[22:12:20] *** koolniczka has quit IRC[22:13:06] <jelmd> ssh -XYC dst ... ?[22:15:00] <loganbr> Berny: on the paranoid side you might do echo $DISPLAY after ssh in and/or check that the X11 forwarding has been allowed in the sshd_config.[22:15:47] <Berny> loganbr, it works fine for the first n client connections[22:16:00] <loganbr> oh, okay. never mind then.[22:16:07] <Berny> after about 15min working new clients get an error[22:17:11] <Berny> jelmd, what's -Y do?[22:17:22] <tsoome> so you can use snoop on server and tcpdump from client to see who is sending the connection termination;)[22:17:55] <Berny> tsoome, i will when I have mac to test myself[22:18:18] <Berny> but since 10.6.8 works fine i point my finger at osx 10.7.x :-)[22:18:19] <loganbr> you also might try adding -v or -vv to the ssh[22:18:31] <jelmd> Enables trusted X11 forwarding.[22:18:33] <loganbr> that will tell you when a new X11 connection is setup and such[22:18:57] <loganbr> really whenever any forwarding is done.[22:20:56] <Berny> I'll just tell them to ditch the macs :-)[22:21:16] <jelmd> chi chi[22:21:38] <Berny> or avoid apples updates :>[22:22:04] <Berny> .oO(that's missing an ')[22:23:44] <Berny> while on ranting... why on earth would one dump an id-binary-blob pair into a DB like oracle VMs management thing?[22:23:58] <Berny> how am I supposed to hack around there? :-\[22:24:01] <jelmd> may be 'ServerAliveInterval 30' in ~/.ssh/config may change something[22:24:17] <Berny> jelmd, doesn't :-([22:24:24] <jelmd> ah ok[22:24:27] <Berny> I tried the obvious bits :-P[22:24:34] <jelmd> :)[22:24:38] <Berny> the ssh connection is just fine[22:24:58] <Berny> it's the damn xserver on mac osx that refuses new clients[22:25:08] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[22:26:09] <Berny> on the OVM thing - does anyone happen to know how to create vnics with arbitrary MACs?[22:26:22] <Berny> the WUI has the first 3 octets locked[22:26:41] <jelmd> alter masochist ;-)[22:27:02] <Berny> eigentlich das gegenteil ;-)[22:27:24] <jelmd> nich wirklich =8-)[22:28:08] <Berny> supposedly VNICManagerProperties holds those octets somewhere, but nowhere to change the properties[22:28:16] <Berny> not my day[22:31:08] <jelmd> my WS/Zone macs are all known as 'VEB KOMBINAT ROBOTRON':* ;-)[22:39:30] *** ewdafa_ has quit IRC[22:43:14] *** fisted has quit IRC[22:44:25] *** nachox has quit IRC[22:46:22] *** fisted has joined #opensolaris[22:47:54] *** fisted has quit IRC[22:52:13] *** fisted has joined #opensolaris[22:59:01] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[23:09:38] *** elgar has quit IRC[23:11:38] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[23:14:24] *** Mdx4 has joined #opensolaris[23:25:49] <Berny> hehe i have a real robotron box here :-P[23:26:20] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[23:27:29] <jelmd> :)[23:32:22] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[23:34:54] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[23:35:05] <jelmd> IIRC volkmar has still some in his museum ...[23:45:12] <Berny> i could donate my box :-)[23:45:44] *** Mdx4 has quit IRC[23:45:51] <jelmd> :)[23:52:00] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[23:55:07] <jelmd> nice, my s11 desktop@work kernel paniced again (and doesn't come up) :(. Wondering, whether this security issue gets fixed with the next SRU ...