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[14:17:43] <intelligencer> solaris is truly amazing. My 4 months with it have been filled with discovery after discovery that has made my computing life more and more complete. Amazing for a computer veteran.
[14:17:57] <intelligencer> just had to say that :)
[14:18:08] <DrOwl> =)
[14:19:55] <intelligencer> tonight I just discovered "screen" and "irssi" and I'm just blown away again. I'd been looking for a way to have a continuous terminal and had resorted to using gdm persistent to do my compiling etc. No more :)
[14:23:53] <seanmcg> vnc is to Xwindow as screen is to consoles..  not gdm persistent..
[14:25:02] <intelligencer> thats what i mean.... I've set up gdm to not terminate at the end of my vnc session though so it persists. My description was poor perhaps.
[14:25:45] <seanmcg> ah, ok.  I run ctwm in a vncsession, the session never dies - unless the box reboots
[14:25:59] <DrOwl> i have recently found that tmux is much nicer then screen ;)
[14:27:15] <intelligencer> seanmcg: I set it up a while ago with a svccfg and setprop type thing and that achieves the same thing as in the session never dies or persists.
[14:27:46] <intelligencer> DrOWl: I'll have to look into it :)
[14:29:21] <intelligencer> I've basically been able to retire my MacOS X Server running macmini since I set up Solaris by hand with almost all the services it provided now on the Solaris box.
[14:29:54] <intelligencer> Steep learning curve at times but very very worthwhile
[14:30:02] <seanmcg> good stuff :)
[14:30:44] <intelligencer> Apple has lost the plot in the server scene imo.
[14:31:56] <intelligencer> anyhow I'll go back to some work. IRC and smoking... the two things you can't flirt with :) My mIRC days from the 90s are all coming back to me.
[14:33:06] <intelligencer> one last little request - are there any other good solaris chat or support channels worth joining?
[14:33:59] <DrOwl> I think the best bit of "Solaris" has to be ZFS
[14:34:53] <intelligencer> absolutely- the magnet for me was ZFS for sure
[14:35:33] <intelligencer> the server box started off with openindiana... then nexenta... then as a solaris 11 install
[14:36:53] <intelligencer> serving files at first via netatalk. Then I said why not sabnzbd/sickbeard, then squid and privoxy for ad blocking etc and it just went from there. But ZFS is totally mindblowingly amazing :)
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[19:03:09] <lcstyle> hi all, wondering where I can d/l the latest PkgApp core dump data collection/analysis tool?
[19:05:37] <alanc> google leads to https://blogs.oracle.com/Dirtracer/entry/pkgapp_3_5_released which says "all downloads for Pkgapp (and DirTracer) will only be available via the My Oracle Support portal"
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[20:24:00] <popster> I have been looking into using flowadm on an opensolaris machine. Is there another solution similar to linux and tc/iptables I can use for traffic control?
[20:25:05] <seanmcg> ipf ?
[20:25:19] <seanmcg> and ipfilter
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[20:31:58] <system_5_> argh, I have a temporary zpool I just created (with no data on it) that I can't destroy or do anything to because I get this error: cannot offline c2t2d0: pool I/O is currently suspended
[20:37:43] <seanmcg> system_5_, (from reading #illumos) you gave zfs the whole disk - so then zfs would put an EFI label on it.  Then you changed the label to smi...  so now zfs gives out.  You see what happened ?
[20:38:22] <system_5_> seanmcg: right, I got it, so I have to re-create the EFI label and then destroy the zpool?
[20:38:57] <system_5_> seanmcg: there is no data or anything on this, it's just a lab testing environment to find potential causes of breakage (like the one I just found)
[20:39:49] <system_5_> seanmcg: it's just an empty zpool with no zfs datasets (or anything else for that matter) in it
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[20:41:45] <seanmcg> put the EFI label back on is a possible solution...
[20:42:02] <seanmcg> don't know if that would work though...
[20:42:16] <system_5_> just want to destroyb the pool so that I can reclaim the disks and put another different zpool on them
[20:42:37] <system_5_> * reclaim the disk and put another different zpool on it
[20:44:17] <system_5_> seanmcg: from my perspective you have to understand that it's important to thoroughly test all the different ways someone could accidentally break a system before you roll it in to production which is why I have no data on these disks :-)
[20:45:08] <seanmcg> what postwait said in #illumos is the other solution, though you could have to reboot.    Why go near the disk after giving it to zfs anyway ?
[20:46:24] <system_5_> seanmcg: it's a lab testing environment, I'm trying different combinations of things to see what they do and find out what breaks, I'm sure you've done it before
[20:48:10] <system_5_> seanmcg: current combination of commands had this effect though --- > http://www.blog-city.info/en/img4/4916_cat_head_cat.jpg
[20:48:16] <system_5_> seanmcg: which was rather unexpected
[20:50:30] <system_5_> seanmcg: so just to confirm, the way to get my head out of the tin can is to do-
[20:50:30] <seanmcg> theres plently of combinations of cmds that can help you more easily shoot your foot, and include the whole leg and upper torso if you want...
[20:50:41] <system_5_> seanmcg: rm -f /etc/zfs/zpool.cache && init 6
[20:50:53] <system_5_> is that the right way to Houdini my way out of this?
[20:51:04] <seanmcg> did you go the EFI labeling route yet ?
[20:51:33] <system_5_> seanmcg: no, I'll use format to add an EFI label over 100% of the disk first and see what happens before I rm anything
[20:52:05] <seanmcg> ok, since rm'ing the zfs cache file is kinda desperate.
[20:52:27] <seanmcg> I've only had to do that maybe twice in all the years of using zfs
[20:52:55] <system_5_> seanmcg: this is my first time having to rm the zfs cache file and I've been using ZFS since late 2007 / early 2008
[20:53:14] <system_5_> seanmcg: the good news is I'm learning more about how it actually works from this destructive episode on the lab test server
[20:54:42] <seanmcg> been using its since 2004 or there abouts.
[20:55:10] <seanmcg> anyway have fun, heading off now.
[20:55:21] <system_5_> seanmcg: I didn't understand how zpools and efi labels worked in conjunction until about 15 minutes ago
[20:55:24] <system_5_> seanmcg: ok, ttyl
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[20:56:27] <seanmcg> zfs will put an EFI label on if its given the whole disk.  If its only given a slice then the labeling doesn't change
[20:56:58] <seanmcg> whole disk being like: c1t2d2 and not like c1t2d2s2
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[20:57:18] <system_5_> seanmcg: it's interesting because previously I always formatted disks with Solaris2 on 100% of the disk before adding them to the zpool, is that a problematic way to do it or is it inferior to the EFI label?
[20:57:36] <seanmcg> having EFI enables the on-disk cache, whereas SMI labeling doesn't.
[20:57:52] <system_5_> seanmcg: ah, so it is a problematic way of doing it because on-disk cache is superior
[20:58:17] <system_5_> EFI is the better way the, just learned another factoid from this
[20:58:29] <seanmcg> and zfs takes care of things better..  once you give a disk to zfs don't go near it untill zfs tells you to replace it or the like :)
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[20:58:44] <system_5_> I knew that you need to have 100% of the disk allocated to Solaris / ZFS for on-disk cache to work but I didn't know that it also required an EFI label to enable the cache
[20:59:35] <seanmcg> well you don't need an EFI label to enable the cache, but EFI is a better fit for zfs with whole disks I think
[21:00:03] <system_5_> seanmcg: so the on-disk cache does work if you have it formatted for 100% Solaris2 and then add it to a pool? because that's how I was doing it before
[21:00:42] <system_5_> I'll do the EFI from now on if it's a better fit
[21:00:44] <seanmcg> depends if you gave zfs the whole disk after formatting it or just a slice
[21:00:58] <seanmcg> don't bother labeling the disks even, let zfs do its job.
[21:01:26] <jamesd_> yeah i haven't labeled a disk in years besides  on pre-solaris 10 boxes
[21:01:26] <seanmcg> more info from may be got from folks on #zfs - I'm now leaving me desk :)
[21:01:29] <system_5_> seanmcg: I almost always give ZFS the whole disk after formatting everything for 100% Solaris 2 unless I am dual-booting (which I never do) so I guess the cache is working then
[21:01:35] <system_5_> seanmcg: ttyl
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[22:51:30] <popster_> seanmcg: How can you flag or mark traffic for separate queues? I assign groups in my current ipf conf. Can I expand on that to implement resource constraints?
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[23:20:15] <CIA-82> illumos Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>: 2668 syntax error in terminfo.src trips uninitialized var in tic, screws terminfo Reviewed by: Gordon Ross <gwr at nexenta dot com> Reviewed by: Igor Kozhukhov <ikozhukhov at gmail dot com> Reviewed by: Jason King <jason.brian.king at gmail dot com> Approved by: Robert Mustacchi <rm at joyent dot com>
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