March 30, 2011 
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#opensolaris[15:50:20] <tsoome> http://wiki.openindiana.org:8080/display/oi/Community+HCL[15:51:55] *** deet has quit IRC[15:52:55] <lblume> Linux and Solaris drivers being almost totally different things, it's difficult to guess something for one from the other.[15:54:09] *** _Tenchi_ has quit IRC[15:54:33] *** _Tenchi_ has joined #opensolaris[15:56:16] *** PrestonConnors has joined #opensolaris[15:57:00] <PrestonConnors> Hello, is it generally safe to do a snapshot -r of a pool while zfs sending that pool?[15:57:55] *** fabula has joined #opensolaris[15:58:52] <tsoome> you create snapshot *before* zfs send:P[15:59:12] <tsoome> or you mean, if its safe to snapshot while send is still in progress?[15:59:20] <tsoome> yes it is.[15:59:36] *** fabula has quit IRC[15:59:44] <PrestonConnors> thank you[16:00:11] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[16:01:03] <PrestonConnors> has anyone experienced using a mix of sata + sas disks on a sas back plane using zfs as the file system and opensolaris as the OS? have you had any difficulties?[16:01:39] <tsoome> dont mix different disks in same pool.[16:02:13] <tsoome> (it will work, but you cant predict or assume any perfomance)[16:02:21] <PrestonConnors> it is a jbod, sas disks are in pool, sata disks are SSD log devices[16:02:32] <tsoome> well, you can if you assume the lowest one;)[16:03:07] <PrestonConnors> i'm having issues with an opensolaris system becoming unresponsive every once in a while and i can't seem to trouble shoot it :([16:03:42] <PrestonConnors> i have read on a blog that mixing sas and sata disks on a sas back plane causes weird issues with disk resets...[16:03:51] <PrestonConnors> (even if they are not in the same pool)[16:04:19] <tsoome> that depends on HBA. some HBA's cant really manage even single type disks.[16:04:50] <lblume> PrestonConnors: No error message whatsoever?[16:04:58] <PrestonConnors> tsoome: they are lsi hbas[16:05:04] *** Mech0z has joined #opensolaris[16:05:09] <PrestonConnors> lblume: not in /var/adm/messages (not sure where else to look)[16:05:14] <tsoome> *in theory* both sata and sas have point-to point connections, and should not cause any problems to other disks....[16:05:51] <lblume> PrestonConnors: Get smartmontools and see what smartctl tells you[16:06:04] <PrestonConnors> ok[16:06:14] <lblume> Also check potential firmware updates for your hba and disks[16:06:28] <PrestonConnors> i am currently testing hardware on the system (memtest+ is running now)[16:06:41] <lblume> Oh, and iostat -Ex too.[16:06:52] <PrestonConnors> thanks will take note of those[16:07:13] <PrestonConnors> also, does anyone have zpool fail over solutions for opensolaris?[16:07:19] <PrestonConnors> opensolaris b134...[16:08:06] <PrestonConnors> failing over a zpool from one system to another takes about 15 minutes. this includes recreating all stmf iscsi views and importing/exporting the pool. pool is 14.4TB with 5.7TB in use. is this a normal amount of time?[16:09:16] *** fabula has joined #opensolaris[16:09:43] <tsoome> fail over time in HA clusters are considered normal to be in range up to 60 minutes.[16:10:11] <PrestonConnors> ok[16:10:20] <PrestonConnors> HA clustersuite from Sun? or just in general[16:10:28] <tsoome> in your case, it really depends what is happening there;)[16:10:39] <tsoome> there is no cluster for b134.[16:10:57] <PrestonConnors> i know i meant solaris 10[16:10:57] <tsoome> openHA was for release, not for dev[16:11:27] <tsoome> sor solaris 10 you can use sun cluster, but it does not support iscsi sharing yet.[16:11:38] <tsoome> (and there is no comstar in s10)[16:11:40] <PrestonConnors> tsoome: it is failing over about 300 LUNs with compression on. the LUNs act as hard drives for KVM based VMs running on ubuntu.[16:11:50] <PrestonConnors> yes. noted.[16:12:05] <PrestonConnors> dedupe is off[16:12:33] <PrestonConnors> and..since this time lapse of the VMs not having access to their hard drives during fail over cause many VMs to crap out[16:12:38] <PrestonConnors> and get corrupted file systems[16:12:38] <tsoome> i have built opensolaris+openHA cluster on internal disks, and the fail over was faster than 15min, but it had like 2 luns:D[16:13:00] <PrestonConnors> (thank god for rollback and backups!!!)[16:13:30] <PrestonConnors> tsoome: can you recommend any good opensolaris / solaris consultants that you may know of?[16:13:33] <tsoome> large zpool (lots of datasets) import is not instant.[16:14:48] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[16:15:12] <PrestonConnors> me and my collegues have been doing much research on how to have seemless fail over where VMs do not have file system issues during a solaris based fail over from one system to another and haven't really found a good answer yet[16:15:20] <tsoome> uhm, there are many people on this and openindiana channel, but the world itself is far larger:D[16:15:46] <PrestonConnors> yes[16:15:50] <tsoome> well, for seamless fail over you need cluster global file system, and zfs cant do that[16:16:16] <PrestonConnors> i consulted with richard elling previously and he was very helpful i would recommend him :)[16:16:37] <tsoome> sure:D[16:17:45] <PrestonConnors> hmm[16:18:07] <PrestonConnors> but GFS afaik does not offer snapshotting and roll backs and other features[16:18:22] <PrestonConnors> that zfs offers :([16:18:35] <tsoome> if you are looking for solaris based cluster and storage solution, then the answer is use either QFS from sun or vxfs with vxvm.[16:19:18] <tsoome> vxvm+vxfs does provide snapshots and stuff, for good money as well tho.[16:19:20] <PrestonConnors> i will research those; was not aware of them[16:19:26] <tsoome> but indeed, its not the zfs.[16:19:28] <PrestonConnors> true[16:19:30] <mui> if you would be using sol11 you could do iscsi mirrored storages[16:19:46] <mui> and handle failovers via scripting[16:19:57] <PrestonConnors> mui: we are going to test sol11 express in our development environment shortly[16:20:10] <tsoome> yea but the issue is that zpool import time with large pool can be huge.[16:20:16] <mui> well[16:20:16] <PrestonConnors> iscsi mirrored storages, not familiar with that either[16:20:19] <mui> it's not "huge"[16:20:28] <mui> but it has to be taken consideration[16:20:43] <mui> ie. increasing timeouts in vm environment[16:20:44] <mui> s[16:21:03] <PrestonConnors> timeouts are set to 86400 seconds and ubuntu does a decent job of queuing the writes[16:21:16] <PrestonConnors> but some operating systems (namely windows) farks up[16:21:22] <tsoome> well, from another hand, you can make this more controlled if you keep the count of snapshots low etc[16:21:32] <PrestonConnors> tsoome: agreed[16:21:38] <mui> windows has quite low timeouts by default[16:22:09] <mui> 30-60secs or so[16:22:16] <PrestonConnors> mui: the disks appear to windows as local disks as presented by kvm to the windows operating systems[16:22:32] <mui> and you're using iscsi there?[16:23:07] <mui> if you are, just use multipathing in kvm host with queueing[16:23:34] <PrestonConnors> zfs -> comstar -> ubuntu iscsi initiator -> kvm on ubuntu -> vm[16:23:38] <mui> yep[16:23:45] <mui> use multipathd and queue in ubuntu[16:23:53] <PrestonConnors> ok[16:23:58] <PrestonConnors> will research that[16:24:26] <PrestonConnors> how would multipathing work if the ubuntu system was connected to only one comstar target at a time[16:24:36] <mui> optimally all your vms should just freeze when you have queue setups in order[16:24:39] <mui> if storage fails[16:24:53] <mui> doesnt matter, multipathd can be used with one target and one nic[16:25:02] <PrestonConnors> mui: they do, and most recover if fail over happens fast enough[16:25:04] <mui> its just layer between iscsi and disk[16:25:08] <PrestonConnors> ok[16:25:25] <PrestonConnors> multipathd will queue up things even if there is only one path?[16:25:27] <mui> yep[16:25:28] <PrestonConnors> ok[16:25:31] <mui> in case of path fails[16:25:48] <mui> and if you have log device configured you can survive storage crashes too[16:25:56] <mui> without vms fucking it all over after storage comes back online[16:26:02] <PrestonConnors> there is a log device yes[16:26:05] <PrestonConnors> mirrored log ssd[16:26:09] <mui> yep[16:26:24] <PrestonConnors> mui: how did you learn all of this?[16:26:39] *** mmu_man has left #opensolaris[16:26:44] <mui> I administrate environment of some thousand vms running on zfs / iscsi / nfs[16:26:55] <PrestonConnors> i'm trying to educate myself more on opensolaris and disk networks. besides using the OS, i'm gonna purchase the solaris internals book too[16:27:12] <PrestonConnors> do you have nfs running on top of iscsi?[16:27:13] <mui> I learned the hard way (:[16:27:21] <mui> no, some setups are done with iscsi and some are done with nfs[16:27:21] <PrestonConnors> or you just have two seperate environments one iscsi one nfs[16:27:24] <PrestonConnors> ok[16:27:35] <PrestonConnors> what do you think of nfs over rdma (or other)?[16:27:39] <mui> and if you're using log devices and comstar, make sure your cache setup is correct in comstar lun settings[16:27:43] <mui> wcd thingy[16:28:03] <mui> I haven't investigated rdma[16:28:14] <mui> nfs over ethernet can be faster than iscsi in some situations[16:28:23] <mui> specially if log devices are being used[16:28:24] <PrestonConnors> i am using iser over infiniband[16:28:49] <PrestonConnors> mui: are you available for consulting?[16:29:18] <PrestonConnors> you have given me a lot of useful information that i did not know and i am thankful for that :)[16:29:24] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:29:47] <nachox> but comparing nfs with iscsi would not be fair, those protocols do not to the same thing[16:29:48] *** jshsmn has joined #opensolaris[16:30:05] <PrestonConnors> yes i agree[16:30:50] <PrestonConnors> mui: do you use a clustering suite in open solaris or do you do fail overs just using simple scripts?[16:31:31] <PrestonConnors> i know there is not an official clustering suite available for 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Albert Lee <trisk at nexenta dot com> Reviewed by: Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net> Reviewed by: Gordon Ross <gwr at nexenta dot com> Approved by: Albert Lee <trisk at nexenta dot com>[21:47:21] *** PrestonConnors has left #opensolaris[21:55:38] *** fabula has quit IRC[21:59:00] *** Matson has left #opensolaris[21:59:13] *** hunter has quit IRC[21:59:33] *** jshsmn has quit IRC[22:06:23] *** Alasdairrr is now known as AlasAway[22:07:37] <mentax> hi all[22:09:01] <mentax> I just install new system, when I do ifconfig, it's only show me lo0 interface[22:09:09] *** jthunder has quit IRC[22:09:24] *** fOB has quit IRC[22:09:48] <mentax> but I have 2 network card in my motherboard[22:09:54] <mentax> any idea?[22:14:25] *** hunter has joined #opensolaris[22:19:29] <monsted> mentax: ifconfig <interface> plumb[22:20:08] <mentax> monsted: how can I know what <interface> ?[22:22:07] <tsoome> dladm show-phys[22:22:13] <monsted> if you have the full gui install, there's the driver 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Now I have dhcp and I need change it to static[22:57:27] *** theuniverse has quit IRC[23:04:25] *** bobbyz_ has quit IRC[23:05:26] <_Tenchi_> nwamcfg[23:06:34] <RoyK> nwam is a bad piece of software[23:06:59] <RoyK> !nwam[23:07:06] <RoyK> stupid bot[23:07:18] <mentax> RoyK: You think it's bed idea to use it?[23:07:35] <RoyK> first thing I do is disable it[23:07:49] <RoyK> and go back to the old config[23:07:55] <_Tenchi_> i like nwam[23:08:32] <Triskelios> NWAM is a godsend for wireless users, but the adminstrative model is overly complicated[23:08:43] <_Tenchi_> maybe so[23:09:00] <Triskelios> mentax: you can use nwamcfg or nwam-manager-properties[23:09:05] * RoyK wonders if _Tenchi_ is a masochist[23:09:08] <_Tenchi_> but that's what a lot of folks said about SMF when sol10 arrrived[23:09:29] <mentax> RoyK how can I use old config style? I was disable nwam, then write /etc/hostname.igb0 and after reboot I dont get network back[23:09:52] <_Tenchi_> disable nwam, but then enable default ?[23:10:42] <RoyK> svcadm disable nwam; svcadm enable network/physical:default[23:12:34] <RoyK> the default is KISS, nwadm is good if you want to dig a deep trench to configure the network[23:12:43] <mentax> RoyK: Thanks![23:17:24] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[23:18:54] <mentax> Royk: arp_bringup_done: init failed err7e Failed to configure IPv4 interface(s): igb0[23:28:19] *** PhoenixMage has joined #opensolaris[23:31:50] *** russiane39 has joined #opensolaris[23:33:51] *** hsp has quit IRC[23:39:29] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[23:40:01] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[23:46:02] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[23:46:54] <mentax> anyone know where I can put global vimrc? 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