March 16, 2011 
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svn up would make sense[15:50:16] <GdeLeo> Nice[15:50:31] *** webmink_ is now known as webmink[15:54:22] <tomww> could someone runnin opensoalris build before 133 (so, all up to build 132 including) please verify a IPS question?[15:54:43] <tomww> pkg info SUNWopenssl ... does this display as being "installed" ?[15:55:21] <tomww> eventually if on build 130 / 131 / 132 this displays as "not installed"/renamed .[15:56:30] <Berny> alanc, do you know off hand if the xserver used by the sunrays provides glx?[15:57:08] *** nanase has joined #opensolaris[15:57:19] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris[15:57:20] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris[15:57:46] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[15:58:01] <alanc> Berny: some do, some don't[15:58:40] <alanc> if you're using Xsun on SPARC, it could, if you installed the SPARC OpenGL packages - but there is no glx support for Xsun on x86[15:58:57] <alanc> Xnewt should provide glx on both SPARC & x86 with mesa installed[15:59:17] <alanc> of course, it will be pure software rendering (aka "dog slow")[15:59:47] <Berny> dog slow would be better than no glx in that case[16:00:02] <Berny> and it would be Xnewt on x64[16:00:16] <Berny> gonna try that on site tomorrow[16:01:47] <tomww> would ldd Xnet reveal that secret about glx? or running one of the X-information tools?[16:02:01] <Berny> ldd probably not[16:02:12] <Berny> that doesn't list the extensions afaik[16:02:34] <Berny> and xdpyinfo would, but that would require me to sit at one of the terminals[16:03:48] <Berny> though to that extend xdpyinfo on Xephyr reports GLX but the implementation fails to work properly (i.e. apps using it fail to create a context)[16:04:26] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[16:04:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[16:09:14] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:09:41] <CIA-108> SFE tom68: SFEgcc.spec: symlinks missing - added %{_gnu_bindir}/* to %files SFEgcc[16:21:42] <alanc> Berny/tomww: right, ldd won't help because it's a dlopen()ed optional module, xdpyinfo would, or pldd on a running server[16:23:12] <alanc> actually, pldd doesn't seem to work - I can see GLX in xdpyinfo on this Xnewt, but don't see the gl module in pldd on it[16:25:40] <Berny> does glxgear work?[16:25:47] <Berny> i know stupid test ;-)[16:26:10] <Berny> but on Xephyr i see GLX in xdpyinfo and glxgears fails[16:27:33] <tomww> hm. pldd prints nothing with lx or glx in it[16:27:47] <tomww> but this shows strings with glx: strings -a -n2 /opt/SUNWut/lib/Xnewt | grep glx[16:32:57] *** [1]kimc has joined #opensolaris[16:35:46] *** kimc has quit IRC[16:35:46] *** [1]kimc is now known as kimc[16:36:38] *** kimc has quit IRC[16:37:00] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[16:37:18] *** niq has quit IRC[16:37:35] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[16:37:38] *** Z` has joined #opensolaris[16:38:16] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[16:38:53] <Z`> hey people. serving smb shares from opensolaris to win xp guest used to work, but now it doesn't with sol11express. Any guidance on how to debug the problem ?[16:39:39] <taemun> smb being samba or smb being cifs?[16:40:27] <Z`> cifs[16:40:34] <taemun> then no, sorry :P[16:40:48] <taemun> I did the upgrade to S11X and it broke my samba[16:40:53] <taemun> the conf file moved[16:40:54] <Z`> lol[16:41:04] <taemun> moved it appropriately then it was all good[16:41:45] *** Hedonista has joined #opensolaris[16:46:23] *** Statts[a] has quit IRC[16:53:11] <CIA-108> SFE tom68: SFEdovecot.spec: add dependencies (Build)Requires SUNWbzip SUNWlexpt SUNWgnu-idn SUNWcurl[16:58:26] <CIA-108> SFE tom68: osdistro.inc: add support for Oracle Solaris 11 Express packagenamemacros.inc: include packagenames.define.allbuilds.inc at the end, not at the top packagenames.define.allbuilds.inc: refine support for multiply renamed SUNWopenssl** package names[16:59:52] *** nanase has quit IRC[17:06:35] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[17:08:56] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[17:10:42] *** FastJack has quit IRC[17:11:13] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[17:13:03] *** webmink has quit IRC[17:15:27] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[17:15:27] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris[17:18:13] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:24:13] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[17:29:19] *** merzo has quit IRC[17:44:19] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[17:44:27] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[17:44:44] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[17:47:00] *** melbogia has quit IRC[17:48:03] *** thistle_ has quit IRC[17:53:29] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[17:53:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[18:03:56] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[18:04:16] *** thistle_ has joined #opensolaris[18:12:59] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[18:13:37] *** GdeLeo has quit IRC[18:15:18] *** Toiletbowl has quit IRC[18:28:03] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[18:32:42] *** hajma has quit IRC[18:33:31] *** Morfio has joined #opensolaris[18:37:54] *** Erwann has quit IRC[18:41:35] *** hecsa has quit IRC[18:43:58] *** hecsa has joined #opensolaris[18:45:25] *** Falcon| has joined #opensolaris[18:45:43] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[18:50:45] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris[19:03:24] *** sahafeez has quit IRC[19:03:37] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris[19:13:44] <CIA-108> SFE tom68: SFEmtr.spec: unresolved wattr_on wattr_off, use SUNWncurses, *FLAGS %{gnu_lib_path} and -lncurses[19:15:14] <CIA-108> SFE tom68: include/osdisto.inc: typo s/os201010/os201011/[19:47:23] *** alfism has quit IRC[19:51:04] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[19:56:57] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[20:00:25] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:03:31] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[20:03:35] *** FrankLv has quit IRC[20:05:48] *** FrankLv has joined #opensolaris[20:08:23] *** calumb has quit IRC[20:12:52] *** richlowe` is now known as richlowe[20:13:23] *** nonnooo has quit IRC[20:14:25] *** cruejones has joined #opensolaris[20:16:03] <cruejones> hi, is there a way to specify http urls for sysidcfg, profile, etc.. individually in menu.lst (instead of one tarball)?[20:16:13] *** nonnooo has joined #opensolaris[20:17:50] *** kdavy_ has joined #opensolaris[20:21:16] *** FrankLv has quit IRC[20:22:34] *** FrankLv has joined #opensolaris[20:22:53] <tomww> I think the loadin gof the first pieces o get a runnin gkernel with modules/drivers for the network is all controlled by the PXE boot / dhcp.[20:23:07] <tomww> later on, there is mdns to find a profile server on the net.[20:23:22] <tomww> the docs to AI should show that[20:29:13] <CIA-108> SFE jurikm: SFEmtr.spec: bump to 0.80[20:33:46] *** smrt has quit IRC[20:34:02] *** smrt has joined #opensolaris[20:37:35] <lblume> Is ther a reasonable way to change the size of the fonts on the gdm login screen?[20:38:54] *** Morfio has quit IRC[20:40:02] <richlowe> not sure about reasonable, I think there's a gtkrc somewhere (or a pointer to one?)[20:51:23] *** nonnooo has quit IRC[20:56:52] <lblume> It's unclear. The theming is now done by a .ui file which contains xml.[20:57:03] <lblume> As far as I can tell, at least.[20:57:17] *** io_a_ has quit IRC[20:58:26] <Triskelios> the "gdm" user's font settings may have some effect[20:58:48] <lblume> how would you modify them?[21:00:26] <tomww> /etc/X11/gdm/custom.conf eventually?[21:00:51] <tomww> could be one of the very last setting not yet migrated into SMF[21:00:56] <lblume> This one is gone[21:01:14] <lblume> There is an empty /etc/gdm/custom.conf[21:02:26] <tomww> yes, on more recent builds the directory has changed[21:02:37] <Triskelios> lblume: edit gconf or run the preferences app as the gdm user[21:03:34] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[21:06:28] <lblume> oh gawd, running gnome properties as another user is so not obvious[21:09:59] *** wdp has quit IRC[21:12:56] <lblume> ok, seriously: how does one run an X app as another user?[21:13:39] <Triskelios> sudo -u <user> blah or gksu -u <user> blah[21:15:17] *** sahafeez has quit IRC[21:16:00] <lblume> sudo doesn't work out of the box, gksu runs it as root, not as the user specified with -u[21:16:54] <Triskelios> neither of those statements are correct for current releases[21:17:12] <lblume> how so?[21:17:40] <Triskelios> sudo works out of the box, as does gksu[21:18:02] <lblume> I mean, yes, they work. But they do not allow to impersonate another user out of the box[21:18:27] <lblume> I've run gksu -u gdm xlogo: the xlogo process belongs to root, not to gdm.[21:20:32] <Triskelios> 'gksu -u gdm id' and with -S work fine for me; although without -S I had to set a password for the user[21:21:06] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[21:21:09] <Triskelios> sudo works as expected, out of the box[21:23:09] <lblume> You are not taking into account that I am trying to run an X application[21:23:34] <Triskelios> yes, I am[21:23:38] <lblume> Even after setting up sudo to allow my user to run as gdm, I'm still getting X refusing the connection[21:25:01] <lblume> We're not talking about the same system then. I'm certainly not seeing the same as you.[21:25:30] <lblume> gksu -S -u gdm id works even with gdm locked without a password[21:26:01] <lblume> gksu -S -u gdm xlogo gets a connection refused[21:26:45] <lblume> Oh, WTF, I'll follow the usual way that's everywhere in Oracle's documentation because of that shit: xhost +[21:29:21] <CIA-108> SFE jurikm: SFEjflex.spec: fix permissions[21:30:55] <lblume> And even so - I'm not getting any closer of my goal, gnome-appearance-properties does not run without a configuration daemon[21:32:17] <galt> so WTF are you trying to fuck with your desktop as another user?[21:32:38] <lblume> I am trying to change the size of the font of the gdm login[21:32:55] <lblume> Any idea how to do so?[21:34:03] <galt> edit the conf file?[21:34:38] <lblume> Yeah, sure. Which bconf file? And how? You think I didn't have that idea before coming here? Read the fucking log above.[21:35:24] <lblume> Sorry - I m getting slightly frustrated at the gnome philosophy of ¨what is good for the developer is good for everybody¨[21:35:43] <Z`> you should see gnome3 ;p[21:37:36] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[21:39:34] *** melbogia has quit IRC[21:41:15] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[21:41:26] *** tty234 has quit IRC[21:41:45] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[21:44:53] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[21:47:04] *** mmu_man has joined #opensolaris[21:50:51] *** Tuxwielder has quit IRC[21:54:14] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[21:54:35] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[21:54:45] <CIA-108> SFE jurikm: SFEjflex.spec: more fixes of permissions[21:55:20] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[21:55:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[21:58:01] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[22:01:37] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[22:01:58] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[22:01:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[22:02:24] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[22:03:45] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[22:06:58] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[22:06:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[22:11:22] *** Z` is now known as Beket[22:26:34] *** yippi has quit IRC[22:29:15] <lblume> Beket: Looking forward.[22:31:18] <alanc> don't hold your breath[22:32:04] *** amoe has left #opensolaris[22:33:11] *** ianj has joined #opensolaris[22:33:13] <lblume> Heh, I know.. More than half of their major improvements they're so prood of translated to ¨we removed the user's ability to change settings X¨[22:33:57] <lblume> But it's ok, because the design is the result of studies, so it must be good.[22:34:37] <lblume> I need to find some of what their focus group is smoking.[22:36:51] <alanc> so good that no major distros are shipping it?[22:36:53] *** FastJack has quit IRC[22:37:09] <alanc> Ubuntu jumped ship to Unity[22:37:38] <lblume> Well, they have the argument that it was too new to ship[22:38:01] *** axisys has quit IRC[22:38:40] <eklof> Any news/rumours from Oracle about future stuff or is it dead silent?[22:38:51] <eklof> Have been out of the loop for a while :)[22:38:58] <lblume> I'm not holding my breath for it to take over the desktop market though. I understand their goals, but they simply don't match the needs of me or people around me.[22:40:42] <alanc> rumors from Oracle? no - rumors about Oracle? check theregister.co.uk[22:41:06] <alanc> don't believe most of what you read there, but for pure entertainment value..[22:41:08] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris[22:42:05] <lblume> There will be no dot in .com! And no sun.com either![22:44:20] <alanc> okay, that's one of the stories you can believe (at least the bit about the web server going away, DNS entries will exist for a while longer for things like mail)[22:44:26] *** Beket has quit IRC[22:44:54] <lblume> will they recycle all those old electrons?[22:45:40] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[22:46:21] <alanc> I think they'd upgraded to something newer than Ultra 1's for the webserver in the last decade[22:46:54] <alanc> probably recycled the old electron machines a while ago[22:47:21] <lblume> was that their codename? :-D[22:49:06] <alanc> yes, Ultra 1's were codenamed electron[22:50:34] <lblume> Heh, old things... I only used one once for a few hours.[22:52:05] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[22:52:25] <richlowe> alanc: booooo[22:55:54] <lblume> alanc: Oh, BTW, you know, the application beep problems? it seems that there are 2 sound devices in /dev/sound, and most gnome apps are trying to use the one that is *not* configured to be used by the gnome volume manager, and then decide to go to the beeper since it has no sound out capability.[23:00:10] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[23:00:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o lewellyn[23:01:44] <lblume> Actually, that might even be a question for you, since it's the sound device on the graphics card, to go through the hdmi cable. That's still not part of X? :-D[23:06:06] *** idnar has quit IRC[23:06:55] *** idnar has joined #opensolaris[23:06:57] <alanc> nope, still not X[23:07:09] *** Statts[a] has joined #opensolaris[23:07:48] <richlowe> we need to come up with a flow chart.[23:08:13] <alanc> all the ways you can find to blame things on me?[23:08:25] <lblume> On how to make sure an issue is attributed to alanc?[23:09:08] <lblume> Eventually, all problems are X problems.[23:09:55] <richlowe> http://pastie.org/paste/1680314[23:10:01] <richlowe> alanc: about right? :)[23:11:22] <alanc> that's how I answer the questions[23:11:56] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[23:12:22] <alanc> though sometimes I do have to admit, "Yes, X is broken, but only because the compiler optimized us badly or the linker ate our symbol table"[23:12:34] <lblume> Explains a lot...[23:18:19] <SunTzuKDE> alanc: that excuse never worked for me in class[23:19:14] <SunTzuKDE> I used to work around compiling ffmpeg with SS12 by letting it break, build one module with reduced optimizations, and continuing with normal optimizations[23:19:53] <lblume> Well, in the end, I learnt two things: switching user does work now, and really, logging in as user gdm and changing its fonts does change them in the login screen. So, just need to unlock the account.[23:26:33] *** derchris has quit IRC[23:26:55] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[23:29:44] *** hsp has quit IRC[23:36:44] *** xl0 has joined #opensolaris[23:45:49] *** cruejones has quit IRC