March 15, 2011 
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<Triskelios> Oracle Solaris 11 Express is the replacement but has restrictions on use, OpenIndiana is the community successor distro[04:40:47] <daniel_> ok[04:41:10] <daniel_> i will search it thanks a lot[04:41:26] *** ianj has quit IRC[04:44:49] *** daniel_ has left #opensolaris[04:48:41] *** \amethyst has joined #opensolaris[04:49:03] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[04:50:39] *** \amethyst has quit IRC[05:29:34] *** sponix has quit IRC[05:33:51] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[05:37:09] *** twister004 has joined #opensolaris[05:42:03] *** Thrae has quit IRC[05:45:27] *** Thrae has joined #opensolaris[05:45:47] <pfn> oracle needs to re-open solaris... damnit[05:45:54] <pfn> put it out under an acceptable use license[05:46:04] <CodeWar> as in make it free?[05:52:26] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris[05:55:32] <alanc> because that business plan worked amazingly well for Sun...[05:55:50] <Tpenta> alanc: +1[05:55:57] <Tpenta> you beat me to it :)[05:58:27] *** capmostard has quit IRC[05:59:16] *** echobinary has joined #opensolaris[06:03:44] <richlowe> To be fair, when Sun's plan, solaris-ily, involed usage limits, closed-source, and costs, it didn't work for them either.[06:05:07] *** _Tenchi_ has quit IRC[06:05:52] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[06:05:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[06:08:11] *** echobinary has quit IRC[06:08:15] <richlowe> evenin' Tpenta[06:08:27] <Tpenta> hey there rich[06:08:51] <Tpenta> evening steve[06:09:03] <stevel> heyo Tpenta, richlowe[06:09:04] <richlowe> Tpenta: happen to know how to delete a zfs user property?[06:09:22] <Tpenta> delete a property?[06:09:37] <richlowe> Tpenta: user property[06:09:45] <Tpenta> like what?[06:09:46] <richlowe> in this case, com.sun:auto-snapshot[06:09:51] *** echobinary has joined #opensolaris[06:09:57] <Tpenta> not off the top of my head[06:10:09] <richlowe> ah ha![06:10:14] <richlowe> zfs(1M) tells you, it just hides it well.[06:10:19] <Tpenta> heh[06:10:32] <richlowe> > Use the zfs inherit command to clear a user property . If the property is not defined in any parent dataset, it is removed entirely.[06:10:43] <richlowe> which managed to evade basically every search string I'd tried[06:10:49] <Tpenta> my last real fun with zfs was last week (as per my last nights blog) where I discovered stuff like you shouldnt detach a mirror before moving it to anothe rmachine to build a clone[06:10:53] <Tpenta> that oen cost me 3 hours[06:11:08] <Tpenta> "Failed to boot detached mirror"[06:11:34] <richlowe> Handy to know, I was planning on doing similar[06:11:40] <richlowe> glad it's your 3 hours it cost me :)[06:12:12] <Tpenta> i summarised the 8 parts of the nevada to opensolaris sun ray on sparc series of blogs on my blogs.sun.com/tpenta blog[06:12:20] <richlowe> now if I've only succeeded in making time-slider neither create no rdestroy my snapshots mid-send.[06:12:23] <Tpenta> there was some interesting learning experiences along the way[06:12:27] <richlowe> which by the way is incredibly annoying when the sends take hours.[06:12:32] <richlowe> even more so when they take hours before time-slider screws them[06:12:43] <Tpenta> like for ksh93, ... FPATH is a really bad name to use for a variable to do path construction[06:13:11] *** ianj has joined #opensolaris[06:13:51] <richlowe> I always forget that zsh has 'path' (lower-case, and a tcsh-like list) as well as sh-like PATH[06:13:55] <richlowe> with similar (I assume) hilarious results.[06:14:03] <Tpenta> i like csh's $path[06:14:28] <Tpenta> no its VERY special in ksh, ... it says that these directories contain files with shell functions, ... so it doesnt actually check[06:14:32] <Tpenta> and assumes that fact[06:14:44] <Tpenta> binaries stop working with Exec fail errors[06:15:33] <richlowe> Oh, amazing.[06:15:52] <Tpenta> http://alanhargreaves.wordpress.com/2010/04/13/ksh93-enoexec-errors-solved/[06:16:18] <Tpenta> and fun things like the deprecation of /etc/nodename[06:16:56] <richlowe> Someone in another channel somewhat accidentally used an ifconfig keyword as a hostname[06:16:58] <richlowe> or, rather, tried to.[06:17:12] <Tpenta> rofl[06:17:31] <richlowe> I hate all these little pitfalls.[06:18:12] <Tpenta> that could be almost as much fun as placing a zpool mirror labelled c6t2d0s1 into slot 1 of a sb2000, and then trying to work out how to attach a mirror device into the real c6t2d0s0[06:18:30] <Tpenta> short of physically moving the disk into the other slot (which is what i ended up doing)[06:24:05] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[06:27:19] *** twomonths1 has joined #opensolaris[06:31:14] *** twomonths has quit IRC[06:37:18] <timsf> sorry - had I been around I could have told you about the 'zfs inherit' thing[06:37:24] *** mmu_man has joined #opensolaris[06:38:24] <timsf> time-slider is not my fault, though adding 'svcadm disable/enable -t time-slider' around whatever your script is doing might be worthwhile[06:38:42] <timsf> though better would judicious use of 'zfs hold'[06:38:57] <richlowe> timsf: that gets the send done, and then when it comes back it freaks out and deletes the snapshots anyway[06:39:04] <richlowe> so I need the lack-of-concern for freespace to stick[06:39:14] <richlowe> I still argue that %-based concern for free space is moronic in these days of huge disks[06:39:20] <richlowe> 90% full is one hell of a lot of free space[06:39:52] <timsf> yeah, I totally agree. (may I reiterate that the old auto-snapshot code didn't give a fig about disk space)[06:40:25] <timsf> (the fear, perhaps being laptops hitting zpool-nearly-full syndrome)[06:40:36] <timsf> (back when we cared about laptops :-/ )[06:41:14] * timsf off to herd kids towards bed[06:41:22] *** timsf has quit IRC[06:58:16] *** twister004 has quit IRC[06:59:36] <Tpenta> richlowe: except it is a reasonable measure for when it starts getting difficult to find free blocks in the spacemaps[07:01:07] *** twister004 has joined #opensolaris[07:03:45] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[07:05:20] *** twister004_ has joined #opensolaris[07:06:43] *** twister004 has quit IRC[07:06:57] *** twister004_ is now known as twister004[07:15:18] *** twister004_ has joined #opensolaris[07:16:14] *** twister004 has quit IRC[07:16:18] *** twister004_ is now known as twister004[07:26:53] *** HyperJohnGraham has quit IRC[07:32:46] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[07:36:32] *** hajma has quit IRC[07:43:41] *** 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calum has joined #opensolaris[16:53:04] *** FastJack has quit IRC[16:57:46] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris[16:58:25] <GdeLeo> Yes, that one with the mar 12 links stuff added[16:58:38] <GdeLeo> Had to make the symlinks mannually though...[17:01:07] <GdeLeo> Another thing I noticed is that in /var/tmp/pkg-build-username a dir SFEgccruntime-4.5.2-build%{_gnu_bindir} was created[17:01:40] <GdeLeo> Don't know if that %(_gnu_bindir} should have been expanded...[17:09:02] *** ganbold has quit IRC[17:09:16] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[17:10:01] *** pdominey has joined #opensolaris[17:12:52] *** idnar has quit IRC[17:13:39] *** idnar has joined #opensolaris[17:16:13] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:19:08] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[17:30:59] *** held has quit IRC[17:31:07] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[17:31:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[17:32:53] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:42:11] *** FrankLv has quit IRC[17:44:00] *** FrankLv has joined #opensolaris[17:49:43] *** ewdafa 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well then this might be an error in the spec file, I'll have a look[18:55:55] *** darki has quit IRC[18:57:12] <CIA-108> SFE tom68: SFEgcc.spec: add missing %define _gnu_bindir %{_basedir}/gnu/bin[18:57:37] <tomww> better now? pkgbuild --short-cuircuit -bi SFEgcc.spec should do[18:58:01] <tomww> then try pfexec pkg uninstall SFEgcc ; pfexec pkg install SFEgcc[18:58:20] <tomww> "--short-circuit"[19:06:11] <SunTzuKDE> anyone seeing an issue on opensolaris.org with the jive forums?[19:16:34] *** paniczero has quit IRC[19:34:00] *** moved_ has joined #opensolaris[19:34:17] *** moved_ has joined #opensolaris[19:34:41] *** moved_ has left #opensolaris[19:38:04] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:43:50] *** fOB has joined #opensolaris[19:47:30] *** afm has joined #opensolaris[19:50:42] *** cfs has quit IRC[19:52:04] *** afm has quit IRC[19:53:48] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[19:57:28] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[20:01:38] *** Dagobert_ has joined #opensolaris[20:03:15] *** Dagobert has 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http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/community/techcasts/techcastlive/index.html[21:10:36] <alanc> any bets on how long until someone asks for postinstall scripts? 8-)[21:15:38] <Lumb> Gman_: cheers, will watch it :)[21:16:06] <Gman_> Lumb: great! :)[21:16:08] <Gman_> (it will obviously be recorded for viewing later for those that can't)[21:18:36] *** comay has quit IRC[21:19:11] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[21:20:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[21:28:03] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[21:40:16] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[21:47:44] *** nonnooo has quit IRC[21:51:48] *** darrenb has quit IRC[21:52:15] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[21:54:17] <lblume> Anybody remembers what are the magic worsd to put in /etc/system to avoid an S11X system to crawl to a near-halt when doing something as crazy as copying files from one fs to another?[21:55:29] *** darrenb has joined #opensolaris[21:56:31] *** Statts[a] has joined #opensolaris[21:58:28] <tomww> any plans to have 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