March 14, 2011 
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Unsure beyond that.[01:03:55] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[01:08:52] *** fisted_ is now known as fisted[01:16:31] *** niq has quit IRC[01:16:37] *** webmink has left #opensolaris[01:22:12] <CodeWar> richlowe, solaris atomics from the code appear to support the weaker one (in other words support all) instead of a runtime check which made me think per process could be a possiblity :-)[01:32:52] *** libkeiser has quit IRC[01:35:13] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris[01:38:01] *** McBofh has joined #opensolaris[01:38:08] *** Zubby has joined #opensolaris[01:42:53] *** ganbold has joined #opensolaris[02:00:02] *** SunTzuTech has joined #opensolaris[02:00:43] *** deet has joined #opensolaris[02:11:30] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris[02:23:08] *** hajma has quit IRC[02:32:10] *** Ogmios has joined #opensolaris[02:35:00] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[02:38:04] *** Norrin has quit IRC[03:20:17] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[03:40:00] *** malcolmlewis has quit IRC[03:40:49] *** miine_ has joined 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joined #opensolaris[06:55:12] *** jbk has joined #opensolaris[06:55:12] *** sidh_ has joined #opensolaris[06:55:12] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[06:55:12] *** bdha has joined #opensolaris[06:55:12] *** Alasdairrr has joined #opensolaris[06:55:12] *** jayne has joined #opensolaris[06:55:12] *** Lumb has joined #opensolaris[06:55:12] *** JStoker has joined #opensolaris[07:07:57] *** needle_ has joined #opensolaris[07:07:59] *** jayne has quit IRC[07:19:32] *** jayne has joined #opensolaris[07:23:32] *** jamesd2 has quit IRC[07:25:19] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[07:34:38] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[08:00:43] *** timsf has quit IRC[08:02:10] *** echobinary has joined #opensolaris[08:11:13] <HyperJohnGraham> hi all[08:11:59] <HyperJohnGraham> is there an IRC chan that can help on solaris 11 express ??[08:12:19] <HyperJohnGraham> i am having issues installing it on CF[08:13:53] <needle_> You'd probably want to try #solaris for the official solaris crowd.[08:20:56] <Tpenta> or you could ask the question and see[08:28:07] *** echobinary has quit IRC[08:29:22] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[08:40:03] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[08:49:00] *** leptir has quit IRC[08:49:51] *** leptir has joined #opensolaris[09:06:37] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[09:16:05] *** dubf has joined #opensolaris[09:22:41] *** stevel has quit IRC[09:59:13] *** darki has joined #opensolaris[09:59:20] *** darki has quit IRC[09:59:26] *** darki has joined #opensolaris[10:00:55] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[10:02:53] *** derchris has quit IRC[10:03:37] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[10:15:15] *** FastJack has quit IRC[10:15:39] *** tsoome has quit IRC[10:16:32] *** GdeLeo has joined #opensolaris[10:25:07] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris[10:26:03] *** mmu_man has joined #opensolaris[10:34:04] *** DerSaidin has quit IRC[10:34:04] *** DerSaidin has joined #opensolaris[10:46:23] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[10:50:03] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[10:50:25] *** 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not yet available autofs mounts...[11:51:14] <tsoome> ah, hm, issue when your tables are in name service sucha as ldap and creating mounts will take time?[11:51:21] <tsoome> mountpoints*[11:52:08] <tomww> it's a nfs mount, only local name service needed. I have fetchmail as a subsequent consumer of autmounted nfs homes.[11:52:40] <tomww> I still have to check the ordering of autofs ans nameservice and nameservice-cache to make sure, they are in correct order.[11:53:54] <tomww> proabably I have to add nameservice/nameservice-cache to my fetchmail SMF as well, to workaroung that autofs might have started up fully, but has no chance to resolve network names for a remote mount action[11:54:43] <tsoome> autofs depends on name-services:default, cache is not mentioned directly[11:55:56] <tsoome> anyhow, cache should not be relevant because name service must be able to function without cache as well[11:56:32] <tsoome> and since autofs depends on name-services, its sufficient if fetchmail depends on autofs[11:57:32] <tsoome> or, if you wanna be more sure, you can set fetchmail to depend on svc:/milestone/multi-user:default[11:58:03] <tsoome> that will push fetchmail basically from runlevel 2 to runlevel 3[12:03:16] <tsoome> or, maybe more soft variant is to set it to depend on sendmail (or alternative, if you dont use sendmail)[12:04:17] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[12:04:38] <tomww> well, nameservice cache is even disabled here. and autofs depending in the old variant had dependencies on network, filesystem/local, autofs. that was not enough, fetchmail ran into "chdir" errors as system startup. now I've added milestone/name-services as well, lets see if that helps to get startup-success rate from 30% up to 100% :-)[12:05:40] <tomww> nono, sendmail is a no-go here. I solely use SFEpostfix-2.8 and SFEdovecot (and spamassassin, dcc, ...). so it's a sendmail-free district here.[12:07:03] <tsoome> i did use it just as an example, as sendmail service depends also on nema-services and autofs[12:07:37] <tsoome> so your postfix service dependency tree should be similar to sendmail one and you can set fetchmail to depend on postfix[12:07:39] <tomww> I know :-) I just couldn't resis blaming sendmail :)[12:08:18] <tomww> since no one spoke about linux right now[12:09:20] <tsoome> http://cr.yp.to/maildisasters/postfix.html :)[12:09:43] <tsoome> http://www.novell.com/linux/security/advisories/2008_40_postfix.html[12:09:44] <tsoome> :D[12:09:54] <tsoome> nah, just trolling;)[12:10:42] <tomww> :-) if those are the only hits one can find, very fine :-)[12:10:57] <tsoome> wont paste google output here:D[12:11:38] <tomww> everything is a distraction from the present desasters we experience these days[12:12:25] *** Zubby has quit IRC[12:18:25] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[12:19:22] *** needle_ has quit IRC[12:23:34] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[12:29:09] *** calum has joined #opensolaris[12:31:34] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[12:34:26] *** darki has quit IRC[12:39:49] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[12:44:30] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[12:48:20] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[12:55:22] *** nonnooo has joined #opensolaris[12:58:18] *** Ogmios has quit IRC[12:59:13] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[13:05:43] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[13:05:43] *** wdp has quit IRC[13:05:43] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[13:05:50] *** GdeLeo has quit IRC[13:11:39] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[13:16:00] *** nanase has joined #opensolaris[13:16:07] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[13:25:59] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[13:26:18] <Hedonista> happy pi day[13:36:42] *** calum has quit IRC[13:36:56] *** jamesd2 has joined #opensolaris[13:38:58] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[13:46:06] *** Okona has left #opensolaris[13:49:10] *** calum has joined #opensolaris[13:49:44] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[13:53:09] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[13:55:32] *** darki has joined #opensolaris[14:00:51] *** Statts has joined #opensolaris[14:05:07] *** calum is now known as calLNCH[14:08:27] *** mmu_man has joined #opensolaris[14:11:48] *** hecsa has quit IRC[14:14:53] *** darki has quit IRC[14:18:36] *** hecsa has joined #opensolaris[14:20:52] *** axisys has quit IRC[14:28:16] *** hecsa has quit IRC[14:34:19] *** Dagobert_ has joined #opensolaris[14:35:08] *** lblume has quit IRC[14:35:53] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[14:38:31] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[14:38:31] *** Dagobert_ is now known as Dagobert[14:39:47] *** darrenb` has joined #opensolaris[14:41:38] *** darrenb has quit IRC[14:43:17] *** darki has joined #opensolaris[15:02:08] *** paniczero has joined #opensolaris[15:02:19] *** paniczero has quit IRC[15:02:26] *** paniczero has joined #opensolaris[15:03:29] *** jthunder has quit IRC[15:06:37] *** calLNCH is now known as calumb[15:08:23] *** darrenb has joined #opensolaris[15:13:23] *** hajma has quit IRC[15:20:15] *** hecsa has joined #opensolaris[15:20:27] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[15:22:11] *** darki has quit IRC[15:23:28] *** darki has joined #opensolaris[15:31:59] *** jnelson has joined #opensolaris[15:32:48] *** jnelson has quit IRC[15:33:01] *** dubf has quit IRC[15:34:25] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:37:19] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[15:46:55] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris[15:47:51] *** hecsa has quit IRC[15:51:54] *** nanase has quit IRC[15:58:55] <tomww> btw, where does S11exp (160) store the nodename?! I changed it in /etc/nodename, but it still prints the old nodename after reboot[15:59:56] <lblume> They changed that? Funny.[16:00:35] <Triskelios> SMF obviously[16:00:54] <tomww> even recreating bootarchive doesn't change that. yes I tought of SMF as well, but which fmri?[16:01:23] <tomww> svc:/system/sysidtool ?[16:02:23] <tomww> no, found: svc:/system/identity:node[16:02:31] <tomww> config/nodename astring se156[16:02:34] <lblume> Heh[16:02:37] <tomww> the se156 is the old name.[16:03:15] <lblume> Is there some sort of command to change it easily or is that one more thing that has to be dealt with using clumsy smf commands?[16:04:13] <tomww> mega clumsy if the tool of choice.[16:04:35] <tomww> figuring out the syntax, the <nn> time in my Solaris life[16:06:55] <lblume> I'm not against SMF per se, but some sort of user-friendliness wouldn't hurt when replacing such basic things...[16:07:04] <tsoome> well, you may wanna start with explaining how you got 160?[16:07:09] <tsoome> :P[16:09:12] <jbk> svccfg -s system/identity:node setprop config/nodename = my_new_hostname[16:09:18] <jbk> should do it IIRC[16:10:43] <lblume> tsoome: It's been.... floating around....[16:10:54] <jbk> heh[16:10:58] <jbk> there's probably a joke there[16:11:22] <lblume> Not on purpose if there is :-)[16:11:44] *** Statts has quit IRC[16:11:50] <jbk> well just given oracle's treatment of the community (as well as customers)[16:11:56] <jbk> and thinking of other things that can float..[16:13:02] <tomww> svccfg -s svc:/system/identity:node setprop config/nodename = astring: se160; svcadm refresh svc:/system/identity:node[16:13:12] *** samc has quit IRC[16:13:21] <tomww> the refresh and then a reboot, hope that works this time[16:13:58] <tomww> tsoome: easy to explain. you can do yourself. :)[16:14:06] <tsoome> ?[16:14:07] <lblume> Wow, that is so much more intuitive than echo hostname > /etc/nodename[16:14:38] <tomww> lblume: yeah, that old method was too old. needed to be changed.[16:15:52] <lblume> Now with added XML![16:17:11] <jbk> it's more enterprise-y with xml[16:17:20] <jbk> it's like MSG, makes everything better :)[16:17:22] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[16:17:28] *** samc has joined #opensolaris[16:17:34] <lblume> Can't wait for Solaris 12, where it'll be UPDATE system SET NODENAME = ¨hostname¨;[16:17:35] *** mmu_man has joined #opensolaris[16:17:55] <jbk> lblume: well by then, there will be no need for any sysadmins[16:18:00] <jbk> the dba's will do everything[16:18:02] <jbk> using OEM[16:18:08] <jbk> (for an extra charge of course)[16:18:30] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:19:24] <_Tenchi_> solaris 12g[16:19:52] <jbk> no, they already wore out g and i[16:20:02] <jbk> so they'll pick a new letter to randomly put on the end for no good reason[16:20:07] <_Tenchi_> c[16:20:10] <_Tenchi_> for clowd[16:20:15] <lblume> _Tenchi_: Will we get an AIX version of Solaris 12g?[16:29:05] <scarcry> where does this 160 come from!? last time i installed S11X it was still snv_151a[16:29:15] <scarcry> like shown in motd[16:29:58] <Triskelios> who do you think tomww's employer is?[16:30:20] <scarcry> Triskelios: oic :)[16:30:32] <scarcry> internal oracle build huh[16:31:48] <lblume> scarcry: Partners can get it too, I heard.[16:32:49] <scarcry> so tsoome is prolly already running snv_160 on several systems then ;)[16:39:35] <lblume> Well, some people have to get bitten by all those brand new bugs so they can help us here when we get it :-)[16:40:23] <scarcry> :)[16:41:32] *** InTheWings has joined #opensolaris[16:44:54] <jbk> why? oracle seems perfectly content to let their customers find all their bugs for them (and suffer in the meantime) :)[16:46:14] *** GdeLeo has joined #opensolaris[16:46:31] <tomww> lblume: yes, thats the point :)[16:48:19] <lblume> tomww: Find more bugs! I need you to be ready soon ;-)[16:49:36] <tomww> I'm trying to make a SunRay service on it, and trying to make SFE packages and so on. I hope there are no bugs11g .)[16:50:19] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[16:54:07] *** het_ has quit IRC[16:54:54] *** pizdec has joined #opensolaris[16:57:29] *** het has joined #opensolaris[17:04:24] *** het has quit IRC[17:07:39] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[17:10:14] *** system5_ has quit IRC[17:12:21] *** het has joined #opensolaris[17:12:53] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #opensolaris[17:17:06] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[17:17:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[17:19:25] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:55:28] * GdeLeo just ran bootstrap-sfe-testing-os20nn on a x4270 M2 with Sol 11 express[17:55:35] * GdeLeo is a happy man[17:58:21] * tomww thinks GdeLeo did the only really important thing[18:01:31] <GdeLeo> Might make me lazy: the script did everything (added pkg repos, tested, pulled in sources) and at the end left some important changes (get rid of links) to the user in very nice install notes[18:01:38] * GdeLeo is impressed[18:02:54] <tomww> well, thanks for the flowers :)[18:04:02] <tomww> currently the note about the symlink *might* go away, we're not completely done with determining if the errors we saw once the link appeared are still occuring.[18:04:47] <GdeLeo> Ok, I'll be watching it.[18:05:21] <tomww> currently thre is anotehr SFEgcc.spec update in the works to recreate symlinks to gcc4 in /usr/gnu/bin/gcc and /usr/gnu/bin/g++ .. so many spec files reference that compiler there[18:06:45] <GdeLeo> But thanks again. This is a real lifesaver for those who whish to build needed stuff without the time to become specialist build environment builders[18:07:03] <tomww> if you ran into /usr/gnu/bin/gcc problems, then use this work in progres spec file: http://tinyurl.com/SFEgcc-4-5-2-usr-gcc-4-5-with[18:07:18] <tomww> :-)[18:07:25] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[18:07:47] <GdeLeo> No problems sofar.[18:08:46] <tomww> well... SFEgcc.spec does not loonger provide gcc4 binaries in the ususal location (unfortunatly)[18:09:09] <tomww> so with the symlink rename from /usr/gnu/bin/cc o gcc your get the gcc3 version compiler instead the gcc4.[18:09:19] <tomww> so unfortunate is a milde description for .....[18:10:10] <tomww> s/ o / to /[18:18:14] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:20:05] *** darksmily has joined #opensolaris[18:21:56] *** darki has quit IRC[18:30:27] *** GdeLeo has left #opensolaris[18:31:36] *** malcolmlewis has quit IRC[18:31:47] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[18:34:13] *** malcolmlewis has joined #opensolaris[18:34:13] *** malcolmlewis has joined #opensolaris[18:39:18] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[18:40:43] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[18:50:31] *** malcolmlewis has quit IRC[18:57:01] *** Erwann has quit IRC[18:58:48] *** mmu_man has joined #opensolaris[19:04:19] *** planum has joined #opensolaris[19:05:26] <planum> hi anyone familiar with how SAS devices are configured at boot[19:07:36] *** planum 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jelmd has quit IRC[21:38:20] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[21:38:52] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[21:39:13] *** pothos_ has joined #opensolaris[21:39:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[21:40:20] *** pothos has quit IRC[21:40:28] *** pothos_ is now known as pothos[21:44:12] <CIA-108> SFE tom68: SFEgcc.spec: make symlinks to have the gcc 4.x.x default compiler accessible by /usr/gnu/bin/gcc and /usr/gnu/bin/g++ and /usr/gnu/bin/gfortran[21:45:28] <CIA-108> SFE tom68: log changes to SFEgcc.spec (symlinks)[21:48:37] *** fisted has quit IRC[21:49:21] *** jelmd has joined #opensolaris[21:50:21] *** echobinary has joined #opensolaris[21:55:23] *** fisted has joined #opensolaris[21:58:14] *** echobinary has quit IRC[22:13:41] *** fisted has quit IRC[22:13:59] *** liqu has joined #opensolaris[22:16:38] *** darksmily has quit IRC[22:20:16] *** afm has joined #opensolaris[22:21:18] <afm> afternoon all. running a fresh install of nv_151a X86 and my zones don't seem to inherit anything[22:22:07] <richlowe> Right, the ipkg brand doesn't do sparse zones.[22:22:24] <cfs> dedup ftw[22:22:40] <afm> i c … thanks….[22:23:26] <Triskelios> dedup ftl, generally[22:23:33] *** idnar has quit IRC[22:23:39] *** idnar has joined #opensolaris[22:24:31] *** axisys has quit IRC[22:26:38] <jbk> Triskelios: but that is the official solution :)[22:27:01] <timsf> well, other than snapshot/cloning zones (which is fine till they start diverging)[22:28:02] <richlowe> timsf: not really divergance, just unshared writes.[22:28:10] <richlowe> hence dedup[22:28:24] <timsf> Right, I meant at a package-level[22:28:53] <timsf> ( /me in tunnel-vision pkg5dev mode)[22:31:15] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[22:32:29] *** Stellar has joined #opensolaris[22:35:45] *** Stellar|2 has joined #opensolaris[22:36:33] *** ApOgEE has quit IRC[22:36:41] *** Stellar has quit IRC[22:38:16] *** ApOgEE__ has joined #opensolaris[22:47:16] *** ganbold has quit IRC[22:47:51] *** darki has joined #opensolaris[23:06:47] *** Stellar|2 has 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