March 12, 2011 
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March 12, 2011 [00:00:04] <jelmd> hmm[00:00:12] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[00:03:35] <Berny> hmm must be some X changes that broke ttwebtop[00:05:30] <Berny> Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: osfActivate[00:05:30] <Berny> Warning: ... found while parsing ':<Key>osfActivate:PrimitiveParentActivate()'[00:05:30] <Berny> Warning: String to TranslationTable conversion encountered errors[00:07:41] <jelmd> LOL - Hannerwald almost flew over the pool with his Wok :)[00:08:21] <Berny> AH![00:08:48] <Berny> setenv XKEYSYMDB /usr/share/X11/XKeysymDB[00:09:03] <jelmd> 15m[00:09:03] <Berny> what pool?[00:10:21] <jelmd> infront of the jump[00:10:59] *** fisted has quit IRC[00:17:31] *** Chapayev has joined #opensolaris[00:21:49] *** _Tenchi_ has quit IRC[00:22:51] <jelmd> berny: some pictures from last year: http://www.thueringer-allgemeine.de/startseite/detail/-/specific/Qualifikation-zur-Wok-WM-2010-in-Oberhof-1236853172[00:23:10] <RoyK> richlowe: it doesn't work[00:24:45] <RoyK> richlowe: with the boot parameter, kernel says memory is limited, but all the memory is available[00:24:58] <richlowe> measured how?[00:25:13] <RoyK> top reports 8 gigs[00:25:18] <richlowe> Right, I explained that to you above.[00:25:50] <RoyK> if top reports 8 gigs, that should be what's available[00:26:13] <Triskelios> RoyK: no, top doesn't care what's available[00:26:16] <richlowe> top calls sysconf(), which devolves to sysconf(_CONFIG_PHYS_PAGES) which returns physinstalled[00:26:30] <richlowe> which is set once, and only once, prior to any modification of npages based on the value of physmem[00:26:50] <RoyK> Triskelios: performance testing shows 8 gigs is the amount of memory used by zfs et al[00:27:46] <Triskelios> RoyK: what does "performance testing" show about memory usage? try ::memstat or something[00:28:02] <RoyK> Triskelios: top shows total memory, so if it were limited, top wouldn't show 8 gigs[00:28:10] <richlowe> No it doesn't.[00:28:12] <richlowe> I just told you that.[00:28:23] <Triskelios> RoyK: did you even read what richlowe said?[00:28:51] <RoyK> which part?[00:29:45] <Triskelios> <richlowe> top calls sysconf(), which devolves to sysconf(_CONFIG_PHYS_PAGES) which returns physinstalled[00:30:00] * jelmd wonders, why roy is asking when he doesn't read the answers anyway ;-)[00:31:04] <RoyK> jelmd: get off[00:31:15] <jelmd> LOL[00:31:35] <Chapayev> RoyK: you mean "gett off," a hit 1988 single by prince[00:32:53] <RoyK> Triskelios: I just don't get it - if an OS is booted with less memory, why should processes see more of it? also, perfomance testing shows more memory is in use than what I set as the limit[00:33:20] <RoyK> Chapayev: I may rephrase that to "fuck off"[00:33:26] <Triskelios> RoyK: Rich just explained what the process is asking for[00:33:52] <richlowe> if you're actually using more than you expected, that's why I'd asked to know how you're measuring.[00:34:02] <Triskelios> what does "perfomance testing" mean and how do you get a number from it?[00:34:12] <Triskelios> RoyK: it's not querying the kernel limit[00:35:28] <Triskelios> although it's arguable that sysconf(...) should check the limit[00:36:19] <RoyK> richlowe: is it possible to reduce the amount of memory available for solaris somehow? I want to run a benchmark to see how n-way mirrors work compared to other storage, and an iozone run with 8GB RAM takes ages[00:37:04] <RoyK> I want to take this box down to 1GB or so to test I/O[00:37:18] <Berny> .oO(xen kernel with dom0_mem=512M *duck*)[00:38:01] <RoyK> Berny: a VM won't help that - the ARC will still do its caching[00:38:10] *** galt has quit IRC[00:38:54] <Berny> dom0_mem limits the memory available to dom0 so the "host" won't use more than that[00:39:18] <RoyK> still, the ARC will remain[00:39:26] <RoyK> caching is done on the host[00:40:05] <Berny> no[00:40:18] <Berny> the host only hast whatever you set it to[00:40:53] <RoyK> caching remains on whatever pool the storage is[00:41:19] <Berny> do you ever read?[00:41:27] <RoyK> all the time[00:41:52] <Berny> if you limit dom0_mem the host wont use more memory, not for arc, not for processes[00:42:07] <RoyK> why would a pool not get cached if something else is placed there?[00:42:11] <Berny> that is the point of doing it.[00:42:31] <Berny> so arc doesn't use memory you may want to allocate to vms[00:42:39] <RoyK> as for your dom0, xvm isn't well supported[00:47:34] *** fisted has joined #opensolaris[00:48:26] *** ewdafa has quit IRC[00:51:58] *** galt has joined #opensolaris[00:52:16] *** melbogia has quit IRC[00:58:43] *** fisted_ has joined #opensolaris[01:00:16] *** fisted has quit IRC[01:00:25] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:02:05] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[01:05:02] *** melbogia has joined #opensolaris[01:05:40] *** sunfun has quit IRC[01:14:30] *** floogy has joined #opensolaris[01:15:32] *** yippi has quit IRC[01:19:01] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[01:21:31] *** hohum has joined #opensolaris[01:32:07] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[01:48:33] *** ingenthr has joined #opensolaris[01:49:15] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[01:53:09] *** stux|RC-only has joined #opensolaris[01:57:50] *** Chapayev has quit IRC[02:02:04] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[02:02:04] *** Spencer_tt has joined #opensolaris[02:21:52] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[02:22:29] *** Alasdairrr is now known as AlasAway[02:33:53] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[02:34:42] *** dwilliamii has quit IRC[02:43:22] <CIA-108> illumos Dan McDonald <danmcd at nexenta dot com>: 787 Kernel panic in ip_input.c[02:50:09] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[02:53:01] *** Cyrille has quit IRC[02:57:13] *** stevel has quit IRC[02:58:52] *** jnelson has joined #opensolaris[02:59:22] *** iceq has quit IRC[03:06:16] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris[03:20:19] *** Cyrille has quit IRC[03:20:44] *** comay has quit IRC[03:20:50] * Hedonista blinks[03:22:17] <alanc> go back to sleep[03:25:34] *** niq has quit IRC[03:33:00] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris[03:51:11] *** Spencer_tt has quit IRC[03:54:02] *** Cyrille has quit IRC[03:54:17] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris[04:01:36] *** melbogia has quit IRC[04:09:02] *** iceq has joined #opensolaris[04:14:49] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[04:16:09] *** ZeroHour_ has quit IRC[04:22:34] *** ZeroHour has joined #opensolaris[04:39:53] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[04:49:40] *** nachox has quit IRC[05:15:33] *** stoxx has quit IRC[05:19:30] *** jan__ has joined #opensolaris[05:22:35] *** Zubby has quit IRC[05:23:25] *** fOB_2 has quit IRC[05:27:33] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[05:31:58] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[05:46:30] *** jthunder has joined #opensolaris[06:26:55] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[06:37:35] *** jnelson has quit IRC[06:38:58] *** thistle_ has quit IRC[06:40:48] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[06:41:20] *** thistle_ has joined #opensolaris[07:18:08] *** floogy has quit IRC[07:18:53] *** FrankLv has quit IRC[07:19:52] *** FrankLv has joined #opensolaris[07:24:34] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris[07:32:59] *** javashin has joined #opensolaris[07:32:59] *** javashin has joined #opensolaris[07:37:27] *** javashin has quit IRC[08:11:54] *** mavhc has quit IRC[08:12:21] <FrankLv> Hi all, I'm try to dual boot solaris and win7, but I don't want to install grub at MBR[08:12:36] <FrankLv> will win7's boot loader boot solaris?[08:14:09] *** mavhc has joined #opensolaris[08:26:21] *** hajma has quit IRC[08:53:11] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[08:59:57] *** iceq has quit IRC[09:10:58] *** Yu\2 has quit IRC[09:19:35] *** CodeWar has joined #opensolaris[09:58:02] *** moepmoep has joined #opensolaris[10:04:33] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[10:05:49] *** Yu\2 has joined #opensolaris[10:17:43] <RoyK> FrankLv: juse use grub - grub can boot windows once installed in the mbr - windows' boot loader can boot windows only[10:19:17] <FrankLv> RoyK: thanks. I read a blog say solaris default install grub into solaris partition. and set active flag.clean windows boot flag. all works for me[10:26:08] <galt> win7 works on sparc?![10:39:24] *** derchris has quit IRC[10:39:46] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[10:42:57] *** Morfio has joined #opensolaris[10:48:42] <FrankLv> I'm runing solairs 11 express X86 version on my laptop[10:54:55] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[11:14:49] *** galt has quit IRC[11:14:59] *** galt has joined #opensolaris[11:23:40] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[11:26:22] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[11:28:49] *** FrankLv has quit IRC[11:30:03] *** FastJack has quit IRC[11:39:21] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris[11:42:14] *** stoxx has joined #opensolaris[11:42:36] *** Zubby has joined #opensolaris[11:52:39] *** kox has joined #opensolaris[11:53:56] *** FrankLv has joined #opensolaris[12:01:19] *** libkeiser has quit IRC[12:03:04] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris[12:08:52] *** libkeiser has quit IRC[12:10:12] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris[12:18:03] *** libkeiser has quit IRC[12:19:12] *** fisted_ is now known as fisted[12:19:27] *** merzo has joined #opensolaris[12:29:01] <RoyK> galt: what are you smoking?[12:32:55] *** nonnooo has joined #opensolaris[12:43:40] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris[12:52:38] <lblume> FrankLv: You don't need grub on the MBR, it's enough to have it on the Solaris partition, then activate it.[12:53:30] <lblume> However, I had an issue with than: Win7 SP1 was unhappy about it as it couldn't understand what was the real boot disk. I had to activate the Win7 partition so it could boot directly.[12:54:28] <lblume> And Win7 partition manager doesn't feel like activating Solaris partitions, so a 3rd party tool is needed to get back to grub.[13:05:35] *** Cyrille has quit IRC[13:18:31] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris[13:29:21] *** Z` has joined #opensolaris[13:33:39] *** Dagobert has joined #opensolaris[13:44:34] *** Dagobert has quit IRC[13:44:46] *** Meths_ has joined #opensolaris[13:48:26] *** Meths has quit IRC[14:42:13] *** Statts has joined #opensolaris[14:43:15] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris[14:49:44] <FrankLv> lblume: thanks.[14:52:00] *** mmu_man has joined #opensolaris[14:57:20] *** libkeiser has quit IRC[15:01:01] *** _Tenchi_ has joined #opensolaris[15:16:01] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[15:16:02] *** niq has quit IRC[15:16:02] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[15:18:51] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[15:22:35] *** FrankLv has quit IRC[15:23:17] *** FrankLv has joined 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*** p3n has joined #opensolaris[20:46:26] <CIA-108> SFE tom68: SFEnetatalk.spec: mkdir -p spool directory (packaging error)[20:47:58] *** FrankLv has joined #opensolaris[20:57:35] *** libkeiser has quit IRC[20:59:43] *** fahadsadah has quit IRC[21:02:40] *** fahadsadah has joined #opensolaris[21:04:49] <CIA-108> SFE viskov: SFErakudo-perl.spec, SFEparrot.spec: initial specs SFEstellarium.spec: use SFEcmake SFEkchmviewer.spec: place /usr/stdcxx/bin at front of PATH[21:09:04] *** FrankLv has quit IRC[21:15:01] *** ingenthr has quit IRC[21:16:49] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[21:16:56] *** FrankLv has joined #opensolaris[21:17:38] *** nada has joined #opensolaris[21:17:48] <nada> bonjour[21:33:36] *** Morfio has quit IRC[21:37:39] *** nada has quit IRC[21:43:35] *** FrankLv has quit IRC[21:49:56] *** FrankLv has joined #opensolaris[21:53:35] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris[21:53:38] *** galt has joined #opensolaris[21:58:05] *** libkeiser has quit IRC[22:03:34] *** FrankLv has 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gnu ls!)[22:56:00] <eklof> oh, hmm[22:56:00] <tstm> eklof: Is the user logged in as guest, and the share is non-guest-writable?[22:56:18] <eklof> no i log in as the same real user[22:56:49] <eklof> how do I change the ACL's to allow full access to everyone ?[22:56:59] <eklof> some other prog than chmod ?[22:58:17] <tomww> solaris chmod should do (IIRC)[22:58:42] <eklof> and the chmod in the path is the gnu one ?[22:58:43] <Triskelios> /usr/bin/chmod chmod A=everyone@:modify_set:file_inherit/dir_inherit:allow <parent dir>[22:58:45] <Triskelios> er[22:58:55] <Triskelios> /usr/bin/chmod A=everyone@:modify_set:file_inherit/dir_inherit:allow <parent dir>[22:58:55] <eklof> ok[22:59:21] <Triskelios> /usr/gnu/bin is first in the PATH in a desktop session..[22:59:32] <eklof> oh god, is there a way to disable the use of ACL's altogehter?[22:59:37] <eklof> have no need for it[22:59:56] <eklof> seems overly complicated for my NAS-use :)[23:00:23] <tomww> eklof: I recently saw a pollution if userland with gnu tools, thats the only reason I explicitly specify Solaris with it. example is the gnu ls I hate personally (..if $PATH lists /usr/gnu/bin in front for instance)[23:03:04] *** malcolmlewis has quit IRC[23:03:29] *** FrankLv has joined #opensolaris[23:03:37] <eklof> Triskelios: btw, will that command change recursively on existing files?[23:04:07] <eklof> oh now I found a way to disable it, nevermind![23:04:54] <eklof> alcmode[23:10:43] *** FrankLv has quit IRC[23:20:03] <CIA-108> SFE viskov: SFExchat.spec: initial spec[23:26:44] *** nachox has quit IRC[23:31:35] <jelmd> smrt: explain CIA[23:31:35] <smrt> They're watching you, and everything you do...[23:32:32] <CodeWar> and your changesets[23:32:58] <jelmd> for what?[23:33:22] <CodeWar> kicks[23:34:27] *** FrankLv has joined #opensolaris[23:35:55] *** CodeWar has quit IRC[23:39:11] <jelmd> really, seems to be a hidden secret ...[23:46:55] *** FrankLv has quit IRC[23:47:25] *** ZeroHour has quit IRC[23:47:36] *** 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