November 29, 2008 
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November 29, 2008 [00:00:05] <leleobhz> svcs mysql returns notting [00:00:18] <leleobhz> and i dont know how to find the service. someone can guide-me? [00:00:19] <_delirium> svcs -a mysql [00:00:29] <_delirium> svcs -a | grep mysql [00:00:34] <leleobhz> ive tryed [00:00:54] <_delirium> if its not listed from svcs -a then its not installed [00:01:04] <leleobhz> well, but its installed [00:01:16] <hrist_> how? [00:01:19] <_delirium> the service isnt installed# [00:01:36] <leleobhz> pkg install SUNWapch22 SUNWphp524core SUNWphp524usr SUNWmysql5 SUNWapch22m-php5 SUNWphp524-mysql [00:01:57] <leleobhz> another problem is, after this package install i got this running pkg: [00:01:58] <leleobhz> ImportError: ld.so.1: python2.4: fatal: relocation error: file /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1: symbol MD5Init: referenced symbol not found [00:02:27] <leleobhz> opensolaris dont have a ldconfig, so what can i do? [00:03:16] <xRaich[o]2x> leleobhz: crle [00:03:29] <leleobhz> by it self? or have some argument? [00:03:34] <tsoome> please dont mention crle:D [00:03:41] <xRaich[o]2x> ^^ sry [00:03:49] <leleobhz> ive read the manpage of crle [00:04:00] <leleobhz> but i dont understood very well what it do with library cache [00:04:43] <tsoome> if you really *have to* play with library paths, use LD_LIBRARY_PATH in wraper scripts:) [00:04:48] <tsoome> wrapper* [00:04:48] <leleobhz> i dont! [00:04:56] <leleobhz> it occours after the pkg install [00:05:09] <leleobhz> i simply dont want to restart the machine [00:08:29] <leleobhz> tsoome: some idea? [00:10:19] <leleobhz> tsoome: in another installation of opensolaris (before my disk crash) it do the same [00:10:32] <tsoome> same error? [00:10:33] <leleobhz> i always need to restart the server after a pkg install [00:11:08] <leleobhz> i dont want to use a fix... i want to know why every time i install a package, python dont run anymore [00:11:13] <CoolMa> Hi, just I have installed osol 2008.11rc2. Now my laptop does not shutdown anymore [00:11:21] <CoolMa> only a white screen could be seen. Does anybody have some idea what could be wrong? [00:11:30] <leleobhz> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/socket.py", line 45, in ? [00:11:30] <leleobhz> import _socket [00:11:30] <leleobhz> ImportError: ld.so.1: python2.4: fatal: relocation error: file /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1: symbol MD5Init: referenced symbol not found [00:11:34] <leleobhz> its here the error [00:12:22] <leleobhz> and i still without start apache and mysql [00:12:24] <tsoome> ldd /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1 ? [00:13:10] <leleobhz> tsoome: http://paste.milk-it.net/993 [00:13:16] <tsoome> in my snv_103 MD5_* are in /lib/libmd.so.1 [00:13:41] <leleobhz> SunOS luana 5.11 snv_86 i86pc i386 i86pc [00:15:39] <tsoome> ldd on this python? [00:17:03] <leleobhz> i think isnt a python issue because it runs [00:17:14] <leleobhz> it only happens when import socket module [00:17:21] <tsoome> ah ok [00:17:27] <tsoome> ldd on that module then:D [00:17:33] <leleobhz> let me paste it [00:17:42] *** myosound has quit IRC [00:17:51] <leleobhz> tsoome: the error: http://paste.milk-it.net/994 [00:18:19] <leleobhz> where i need to do ldd? [00:18:23] <leleobhz> modules is .py [00:18:27] *** boggy` has quit IRC [00:18:38] *** WalkingAsterisk has joined #opensolaris [00:19:13] <WalkingAsterisk> Does anyone know what i need to put into the startup script to start OSS and where the startup script is ? [00:20:02] <wdp> errm... [00:20:08] <wdp> ...i got an usb mass storage device [00:20:17] <wdp> could someone tell me how i find out the device name? [00:20:20] *** Aria has quit IRC [00:20:21] <wdp> dmesg isn't helping me [00:21:22] <tsoome> all usb devices are in /dev/usb/ [00:21:27] <leleobhz> tsoome: some idea? [00:21:29] <WalkingAsterisk> Someone was saying earlier it had to be formated as dos or nt [00:22:02] <tsoome> well, as pkg is python script, you can dig into:P [00:22:04] *** bigjocker has quit IRC [00:22:29] *** mega has quit IRC [00:22:33] <tsoome> is digest -a md5 /etc/passwd [00:22:37] <tsoome> working + [00:22:37] *** hohum has quit IRC [00:22:38] <tsoome> ? [00:23:09] <leleobhz> digest: failed to find any cryptographic provider,please check with your system administrator: CKR_OK [00:23:16] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris [00:23:19] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: How are you loading the OSS modules now/ [00:23:33] *** boggy` has joined #opensolaris [00:23:39] <tsoome> heh [00:24:08] <tsoome> your system is broken:D [00:24:26] <WalkingAsterisk> eviljames: I just did pkgadd -d oss.pkg, osstest plays music until i reboot. osstest says theres no /dev/dsp [00:24:32] <leleobhz> tsoome: is fresh-installed! [00:24:38] <leleobhz> ive done only the pkg install! [00:24:51] <leleobhz> ill restart it [00:25:03] <WalkingAsterisk> it says no /dev/dsp after reboot rather [00:25:10] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: You aren't the first person who has asked about oss on solaris, but I don't know anythign about it myself. [00:25:17] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: I don't use sound on my system, so I haven't had to play with it. [00:25:25] <WalkingAsterisk> K [00:25:36] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: A few assumptions I make are that a) oss is a kernel module or series of kernel modules, like in Linux. [00:25:39] <leleobhz> aff.... reboot command dont work [00:25:40] <WalkingAsterisk> It appears to work fine for most. But google does not help to much [00:25:42] <eviljames> and b) that it is easily loaded at the command line. [00:25:51] <tsoome> its the 2008.something thingie? [00:26:02] <WalkingAsterisk> I will chase that theory [00:26:05] <leleobhz> how can i shift between virtual consoles and X? [00:26:11] <tsoome> not using it, so cant really comment on it [00:27:28] <eviljames> I can't access the unix rosetta stone at the moment [00:29:11] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris [00:29:12] *** WalkingAsterisk has quit IRC [00:29:45] <eviljames> aww, now he's gone. [00:30:42] *** WalkingAsterisk has joined #opensolaris [00:30:59] <WalkingAsterisk> It appears i need to run ossdetect to get it working. What file can i put a command in, so it runs on boot ? [00:31:13] <eviljames> Ah, cool. [00:31:37] <eviljames> So, if you are new to opensolaris and really intent on learning the internals, read up on SMF [00:31:58] <eviljames> Unless... I wonder if oss creates its own service? [00:32:10] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: Try using svcs -a | grep oss [00:32:14] <WalkingAsterisk> k [00:32:32] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: are you relatively new to solaris or an old pro? [00:32:37] <WalkingAsterisk> New [00:32:47] <wdp> hm [00:32:48] <WalkingAsterisk> No output from that command [00:32:57] <wdp> is solaris not able to mount vfat/fat32 discs? [00:32:58] <eviljames> ah, no worries. [00:33:07] <WalkingAsterisk> Some basic linux knowledge though [00:33:33] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: Good enough. Some parts of osol are very similar, others are very different. [00:34:46] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: if you just run the command 'ossdetect' everything else works magically after that? [00:34:56] <eviljames> Well, not magically, but automatically? [00:35:23] <WalkingAsterisk> Not everything, osstest will produce audio. But theres no sound from the browser or mp3 player. The volume control is greyed out [00:35:44] <eviljames> Ah, probably ESD or something needs to know that OSS is there. [00:35:45] <leleobhz> well, ive restarted my opensolaris and now ssh dont open and it dont show my nic in ifconfig [00:35:54] * leleobhz thinking opensolaris too instable.... [00:35:59] * leleobhz chocked [00:36:04] <WalkingAsterisk> Hmm. [00:36:05] * eviljames disagrees. [00:36:07] <leleobhz> *shocked [00:36:32] <leleobhz> WalkingAsterisk: ive installed it and rebooted. after that ive installed php apache and mysql [00:36:41] <leleobhz> my pkg got broken [00:36:42] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: Check the various sound settings off of the system menu... [00:36:53] <leleobhz> after restart, no nic and no services [00:37:02] <WalkingAsterisk> ok, [00:37:06] <eviljames> leleobhz: Did you snapshot prior to installing packages? [00:37:15] <jbk> ifconfig only shows interfaces that have had the tcpip driver attached to them (plumbed) [00:37:25] <jbk> dladm show-dev might be more interesting [00:37:32] <eviljames> leleobhz: If so you can just roll back and the packages won't be installed but pkg won't be bunged up either. [00:37:49] <leleobhz> eviljames: im a really beginner in opensolaris/solaris [00:37:57] <eviljames> ahh. [00:38:04] <eviljames> leleobhz: One thing is certain, the learning curve is much higher. [00:38:43] <eviljames> leleobhz: In my first couple of weeks with Solaris I spent much more time reading than actually using the computer. [00:38:46] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [00:38:57] <eviljames> leleobhz: I recommend the same to anyone who is new to solaris/osol. [00:39:08] <xRaich[o]2x> same here. but you get a lot out of it [00:39:17] <eviljames> leleobhz: That's probably not the good news you were hoping for, but you'll probably come out a much more effective computer person because of it. [00:39:24] <eviljames> xRaich[o]2x: Agreed 110%! [00:39:36] <xRaich[o]2x> you actually _have_ stuff to read rather than some scattered howtos on the net [00:39:49] * eviljames nods feverently. [00:39:57] <jbk> that are usually outdated [00:40:07] <WalkingAsterisk> It's certainly not ubuntu style. Likely for good reason [00:40:21] <xRaich[o]2x> used linux for over a decade, it was actually a shock for me to have such an amazing documentation [00:40:26] <eviljames> That's something I found to be incredible.. the books that Sun published on Solaris 10 were unbelievably helpful and chock full of knowledge. [00:40:27] <Aria> Heh, yeah. Ditto. [00:40:56] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: Indeed, but learning it will probably give you a deeper appreciation for the guts of what it takes to bring Ubuntu to the usability point it is at. [00:41:11] <CoolMa> hi, shutting down my computer will stop in a white screen, seems that gdm service does not stop [00:41:18] <WalkingAsterisk> Im certainly interested in learning. Im an IT student studying to an admin. [00:41:27] <CoolMa> has nayone some idea? [00:41:28] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: You have come to the right OS! [00:41:29] <xRaich[o]2x> CoolMa: yeah it takes a while i have that bug also [00:41:34] <leleobhz> eviljames: actually only thing i need is a webserver... and its notting advanced [00:41:41] <WalkingAsterisk> score! [00:41:44] <leleobhz> ill have time to study solaris very well [00:41:47] <eviljames> leleobhz: Have you considered FreeBSD? [00:42:03] <leleobhz> eviljames: my router is FreeBSD... 2 or 3 years of experience [00:42:08] <eviljames> leleobhz: Not to shy away from opensolaris, but I found bsd systems to be much more approachable, and they have great docs too. [00:42:27] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: If you're studying admin, you'll be a much more effective admin in Solaris I think. [00:42:28] <xRaich[o]2x> CoolMa: the white screen is actually just an aesthetic bug. but gdm seems to have some issues with shutting down. just wait it out. [00:42:29] <CoolMa> xRaicho[o]2x: how long do you wait? [00:42:35] <leleobhz> eviljames: im studing opensolaris because i think is a good start for who wants to learn solaris [00:42:39] <leleobhz> and i like it [00:42:39] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: Also, you'll start to say "damn linux, it sucks so much... how do they live?!" [00:42:46] <WalkingAsterisk> lol [00:42:51] <leleobhz> [28/11-21:44:30] < eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: Also, you'll start to say "damn linux, it sucks so much... how do they live?!" [00:42:51] <xRaich[o]2x> CoolMa: dunno 2 or 3 minutes maybe longer [00:43:02] <leleobhz> i dont configure my servers with linux anymore [00:43:19] <CoolMa> xRaich[o]2x you know what is the problem? [00:43:20] <leleobhz> my clients servers is another issue, but my servers dont run linux.. [00:43:25] <eviljames> For both leleobhz and WalkingAsterisk go out and read up on SMF [00:43:32] <leleobhz> smf? [00:43:35] <xRaich[o]2x> CoolMa: something with gdm i and smf i think [00:43:40] <eviljames> Service Management Facilities [00:43:45] <WalkingAsterisk> Interesting [00:43:48] <leleobhz> oh! ive readed about it [00:43:51] * WalkingAsterisk googles [00:43:59] <xRaich[o]2x> eviljames: haha ack on the "how do they live" ^^ [00:44:02] <eviljames> leleobhz: Instead of rc.d scripts or init.d/ from BSD, Solaris has self-healing service management. [00:44:02] <leleobhz> have a chapter in sun basic sysadministration book [00:44:19] <eviljames> leleobhz: They have a whole book dedicated to it. And a 1hr google Tech Talk [00:44:33] <xRaich[o]2x> eviljames: what tech talk? [00:44:37] <leleobhz> i know... svcs to list and see status, svcadm to restart and enable/disable, and i see this is only 0.1% of SMF [00:44:41] <leleobhz> :] [00:44:46] <eviljames> xRaich[o]2x: Whatshername gave a tech talk about SMF and how awesome it is. [00:44:47] <leleobhz> eviljames: i think this is a very nice thing [00:44:58] <eviljames> leleobhz: As you get the hang of it you'll find that it's an exquisite thing. [00:45:00] <xRaich[o]2x> eviljames: link plz? [00:45:02] <eviljames> a work of computing art, imho. [00:45:09] <eviljames> xRaich[o]2x: sec, I'll check my bookmarks. [00:45:13] <leleobhz> :] [00:45:15] <xRaich[o]2x> thx [00:45:19] <leleobhz> eviljames: i really liked it [00:45:27] <eviljames> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I4aM0OM0d8 [00:45:31] <eviljames> xRaich[o]2x: That's for you [00:45:38] <eviljames> Actually, all 3 of you might be interested in it. [00:45:40] <leleobhz> only thing really pissed me off is this stability about pkg and libraries [00:45:53] <leleobhz> (and the dissapeared intel nic after reboot) [00:45:57] <xRaich[o]2x> eviljames: thanks a bunch [00:46:04] <WalkingAsterisk> Ty [00:46:17] <eviljames> leleobhz: SMF can tell you more than whether or not a service is running [00:46:29] <xRaich[o]2x> eviljames: saw the dtrace techtalk by bryan cantrill? [00:46:31] <eviljames> It can tell you if a service is running or not, if it isn't, it will tell you _why_ [00:46:34] <eviljames> intelligently, no less. [00:46:48] <eviljames> leleobhz: look at svcs -x -v *servicename* [00:47:00] <eviljames> ie: [00:47:10] <eviljames> svcs -x -v network/ssh [00:47:19] <leleobhz> let me try [00:47:44] <leleobhz> eviljames: first i want my nic back! [00:48:02] <xRaich[o]2x> dladm show-link [00:48:11] * leleobhz really hate the console configuration of opensolaris... specifically using abnt2 keyboard [00:48:14] <xRaich[o]2x> ifconfig nameofnic plumb [00:48:21] <xRaich[o]2x> ifconfig nameofnic up [00:48:31] <leleobhz> xRaich[o]2x: ifconfig -a dont show my nic [00:48:42] <xRaich[o]2x> check out dladm [00:48:46] <xRaich[o]2x> is it there? [00:48:50] <leleobhz> let me see [00:49:00] <xRaich[o]2x> dladm show-link [00:51:11] <xRaich[o]2x> but smf is really great makes services very persistent. when i first tried to kill a service i went like "DIE YOU F**KER" ^^ [00:51:38] <xRaich[o]2x> it always came back in splitseconds [00:52:02] <eviljames> hahaha [00:52:13] <eviljames> xRaich[o]2x: Me too... before I quite got the hang of svcadm disable ;) [00:52:22] <xRaich[o]2x> hrhr ^^ [00:52:27] <eviljames> But now I sit at my Linux desktop machine and type that all the time. [00:52:32] <eviljames> Then curse *very* loudly. [00:52:42] <xRaich[o]2x> i don't even have a linux desktop anymore [00:53:06] <eviljames> I do.. Most of the other things I tried didn't play nicely with Flash, and if my gf didn't have you tube, I would not have testicles. [00:53:19] <xRaich[o]2x> lol [00:53:25] <xRaich[o]2x> flash works great here [00:53:49] <xRaich[o]2x> actually i'm listening to some music on youtube right now [00:55:12] <xRaich[o]2x> i even have compiz running here. not a critical program but it's nice to get rid of all those ugly redraw flickering [00:55:43] <tomww> what I most lika about SMF is the method the processes are monitored .... if the last process exits the context, then the service is assumed dead [00:56:09] <tomww> no more "fghack" as it is needed for Berstein services [00:56:16] <leleobhz> how can i switch between vcs? [00:56:26] <leleobhz> or indiana dont have multiples consoles? [00:56:30] <xRaich[o]2x> yeah hat a brief look at the contract system. [00:56:45] <tomww> leleobhz: no virtual consoles today [00:56:52] <xRaich[o]2x> afaik there are [00:56:59] <leleobhz> .0 [00:57:06] <leleobhz> so my console crashed after reboot [00:57:06] <tomww> there is a project bringing that to us sometime [00:57:16] <xRaich[o]2x> svc:/system/console-login:vt6 [00:57:17] <leleobhz> and no services online [00:57:38] <leleobhz> heh, i have a crashed system 20hours after instalation and 1 pkg instance [00:57:51] <leleobhz> opensolaris have something like magic keys for linux? [00:57:54] <xRaich[o]2x> those were integrated into build 100 iirc [00:58:09] <xRaich[o]2x> never tried them though [00:58:54] <tomww> well....still running 9x builds... [00:59:34] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [00:59:46] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [01:00:10] <e^ipi> or you could just use screen [01:00:19] <e^ipi> which is a superset of functionality [01:00:39] *** syamajala has quit IRC [01:00:58] <tomww> thats betten then virtual console..... it's usable over the net [01:01:03] <tomww> *better [01:01:28] <leleobhz> err [01:01:43] <leleobhz> screen is good, except if you problem is REALLY with that vc [01:01:51] <e^ipi> and you can suspend and resume it [01:02:19] <leleobhz> how? [01:02:23] <e^ipi> ^a-d [01:02:29] <leleobhz> ah, screen [01:02:40] <leleobhz> im talking about pty problems [01:03:22] <leleobhz> ill post a photo [01:05:17] <leleobhz> http://zorg.leleobhz.org/dsc00097.jpg [01:05:25] <leleobhz> here is my network problem [01:06:09] <xRaich[o]2x> did you plumb the device? [01:06:13] <leleobhz> ? [01:06:20] <xRaich[o]2x> ifconfig iprb0 plumb [01:06:42] <xRaich[o]2x> and its ifconfig iprb0 dhcp start ;) [01:06:58] <leleobhz> what this plumb does? [01:07:00] <eviljames> I thought ifconfig iprb0 auto-dhcp [01:07:05] <eviljames> leleobhz: Plumb is like ifconfig eth0 up [01:07:09] <eviljames> on Linux [01:07:16] <leleobhz> o.0 [01:07:36] <xRaich[o]2x> did it work? [01:08:01] <leleobhz> yes [01:08:19] <leleobhz> what i need to do to activate it on boot? [01:08:31] <leleobhz> via dhcp [01:08:40] *** WalkingAsterisk has quit IRC [01:08:54] <leleobhz> network:default is activated [01:09:07] <jamesd> leleobhz, sys-unconfig is the easiest way to configure it [01:09:20] <jamesd> or ask google... solaris dhcp setup [01:09:46] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris [01:09:52] <leleobhz> o.0 [01:10:21] <jamesd> man sys-unconfig if you are wondering what the command does [01:10:36] *** _delirium has quit IRC [01:11:17] <leleobhz> i see [01:11:25] <leleobhz> but i dont want to reconfigure it again ;p [01:12:01] <jamesd> fine.. spend 30 minutes figuring it out via google or run that command and be done in 10 minutes.. your choice [01:12:13] <wdp> w [01:12:14] <wdp> ow [01:12:19] <wdp> i got opensolaris installed [01:12:22] <wdp> with networking, nice [01:12:45] <leleobhz> http://www.rite-group.com/rich/solaris_dhcp.html [01:12:46] <leleobhz> :] [01:12:47] <sponix> Any Wii owners in here ? [01:13:07] *** WalkingAsterisk has joined #opensolaris [01:13:07] <jamesd> i go wii wii on ocausion... does that count? [01:13:11] <WalkingAsterisk> Success! [01:13:34] <sponix> jamesd: does if you can tell me about it ;) [01:14:04] <jamesd> yellow and wet and a nice stready stream.... [01:14:17] <ninjaslim> sponix: me [01:14:34] <sponix> ninjaslim: Just got one, what can you tell me about them ? [01:14:51] <ninjaslim> sponix: wut would you like me to tell you [01:15:04] <sponix> ninjaslim: got like 10 games, but saw some torrents online, is a mod chip required to play burnt games ? [01:15:18] <sponix> or can I just dd or k3b my games to an ISO and burn backups ? [01:15:37] <ninjaslim> sponix: no you need a mod chip [01:15:42] <sponix> having a two kids age 4 and 2, I would rather them play off of backups if possible [01:15:55] <ninjaslim> uhh i doubt you'd be able to do that [01:16:00] <wdp> btw [01:16:06] <wdp> do i NEED to register to use opensolaris? [01:16:11] <ninjaslim> no [01:16:26] <wdp> does it bring me anything to register? [01:17:04] <eviljames> You get some lovely spam in your mailbox from sun every now and again :) [01:17:16] <wdp> sounds useful [01:17:49] <wdp> ty .) [01:18:47] <leleobhz> :p [01:19:13] <leleobhz> what is the diference about ifconfig dhcp and ifconfig auto-dhcp? [01:20:14] <wdp> why is /home empty and why is my home dir in /export/home/username [01:20:15] <wdp> ? [01:20:25] <WalkingAsterisk> i was going to ask that aswell [01:20:37] <WalkingAsterisk> took me a few minutes to figure out where my home was [01:20:46] <wdp> WalkingAsterisk: same here [01:21:58] * WalkingAsterisk is watching the SMF video... Thats an attractive unix woman :) [01:23:53] <xRaich[o]2x> to bad she has such a small audience [01:24:10] <WalkingAsterisk> The audio is way out of sink.. [01:24:45] <xRaich[o]2x> yeah happens to some vid when they get converted [01:24:50] <xRaich[o]2x> vids [01:25:52] *** CoolMa has left #opensolaris [01:27:54] <WalkingAsterisk> SMF seems quite usefull [01:29:47] <Aria> It's excellent. A very solid system. [01:30:04] *** wdp has quit IRC [01:30:19] *** bimbo has joined #opensolaris [01:30:33] *** teknoprep has joined #opensolaris [01:30:36] <teknoprep> hi all [01:30:43] <teknoprep> dladm show-ether -> shows bge0 and bge1 [01:31:01] <teknoprep> but ifconfig bge1 gives me this error -> ifconfig: setifflags: SIOCGLIFFLAGS: bge1: no such interface [01:31:19] <xRaich[o]2x> did you plumb it? [01:31:34] <teknoprep> what would plumb a network interface mean ? [01:31:39] <teknoprep> should i get the plunger? [01:31:51] <xRaich[o]2x> hrhr ifconfig bge1 plumb [01:32:03] <teknoprep> hey look at that [01:32:04] <Aria> It means to actually connect it; it allocates the resources the device will use. [01:32:15] <teknoprep> nice [01:32:23] <Aria> Linux devices are in essence always plumbed. Solaris allows some control over the process. [01:32:47] <xRaich[o]2x> you can also create virtual interfaces with it like ifconfig bge0:0 plumb [01:33:15] <teknoprep> is the :0 assciated to a VLAN TAG ? [01:33:31] <Aria> No, it's an interface alias. [01:33:34] <teknoprep> ok [01:33:36] <Aria> For multiple IPs [01:33:39] <teknoprep> yup [01:34:11] <teknoprep> so it seems setting up interfaces inside of solaris is very much different than any BSD or Linux i have used [01:34:38] <Aria> A bit. Not hugely, but it has its own quirks [01:35:25] <teknoprep> well i meant a permanent IP address [01:35:33] <teknoprep> so when i restart it shows up [01:35:52] <Aria> You usually put that in /etc/hostname.yourinterface [01:36:04] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris [01:36:36] * leleobhz waiting a image-update for at least 40 minutes [01:36:53] <xRaich[o]2x> leleobhz: how much ram? [01:36:54] <teknoprep> aria where do i put the static info [01:36:58] <WalkingAsterisk> Is that how you update the system leleobhz ? [01:37:03] <teknoprep> like the IP address [01:37:11] <teknoprep> or do i have to add that to the hosts file ? [01:37:19] <teknoprep> and then add a name in the hostname.bge1 [01:37:21] <teknoprep> ahh that makes sense [01:37:24] <Aria> Yeah. [01:37:28] <leleobhz> xRaich[o]2x: 1GB [01:37:30] <teknoprep> what about subnettin tho [01:37:43] <Aria> /etc/netmasks [01:37:58] <leleobhz> hehe, now its downloading [01:38:00] <teknoprep> ahh nice [01:38:04] *** zimmermanc has joined #opensolaris [01:38:11] <leleobhz> xRaich[o]2x: some idea how can i remove all X interface? [01:38:13] <teknoprep> i hate VI so much [01:38:22] <teknoprep> is there a easy to use editor on solaris ? [01:38:24] <xRaich[o]2x> leleobhz: svcadm disable gdm [01:38:26] <teknoprep> or do i have to relearn it [01:38:39] <leleobhz> xRaich[o]2x: remove, not disable [01:38:45] <leleobhz> (its disabled btw) [01:38:46] <leleobhz> teknoprep: vim [01:38:48] <leleobhz> :] [01:38:50] <teknoprep> lol [01:38:53] <zimmermanc> how could you hate vi?!!?! [01:38:59] <leleobhz> legacy vi sux [01:39:04] <teknoprep> becuase vi blows my nut sack [01:39:07] <leleobhz> vim r0x [01:39:07] <WalkingAsterisk> lol [01:39:22] <zimmermanc> well that's expletive [01:39:23] <zimmermanc> :D [01:39:27] <teknoprep> i don't want to have to hit :q! and dd and D and A or a [01:39:28] <zimmermanc> and vulgar :) [01:39:38] <WalkingAsterisk> I was a pico guy on linux [01:39:42] <xRaich[o]2x> leleobhz: you shouldn't do that on opensolaris ;) if you want a server user solaris 10 or sxce [01:39:44] <teknoprep> yeah i like nano [01:39:44] <zimmermanc> ctrl +x is better? [01:39:52] <WalkingAsterisk> I should learn vim though as its standard across all *nix [01:39:56] <leleobhz> xRaich[o]2x: solaris kernel dont boot in this machine [01:39:57] <zimmermanc> i hate nano/pico [01:40:05] <teknoprep> its just easy [01:40:09] <leleobhz> it simply crashes and even debug mode show what the hell is going on [01:40:11] <teknoprep> nano/pico = easy file editor [01:40:13] *** aoglobalent_ has joined #opensolaris [01:40:21] <zimmermanc> more cumbersome [01:40:22] <xRaich[o]2x> leleobhz: did you try sxce? [01:40:22] <teknoprep> i don't want to have to learn how to edit files [01:40:33] <zimmermanc> everything in vi i can do from the home row [01:40:35] <zimmermanc> :) [01:40:35] <leleobhz> xRaich[o]2x: only solaris10 from sun site [01:40:51] <xRaich[o]2x> leleobhz: maybe give sxce a shot. [01:40:57] <zimmermanc> i'm sure there's a package for nano/pico [01:40:59] <xRaich[o]2x> leleobhz: opensolaris is pretty desktopy [01:41:24] <zimmermanc> why remove it? [01:41:27] <zimmermanc> just disable gdm [01:41:38] <zimmermanc> no reason to get rid of all the great additions of opensolaris, just because you don't want a gui [01:41:38] <aoglobalent_> hey guys, I am about to do an install of opensolaris, but wanted to find out some details before I go ahead with it, such as all the settings for network cards, sound, video, etc... How difficult is it to set all that up? [01:41:43] <zimmermanc> :\ [01:41:47] * zimmermanc is confused [01:41:49] <xRaich[o]2x> i'd do the same but he wants to remove it ^^ [01:41:51] <leleobhz> xRaich[o]2x: i really dont understand why the solaris kernel dont booted in my machine and opensolaris worked [01:41:59] *** AxeZ has quit IRC [01:42:06] <zimmermanc> leleobhz, umm completely different kernels [01:42:14] <WalkingAsterisk> aoglobalent_: The only thing i had to configure after the install was sound. [01:42:16] <xRaich[o]2x> yep [01:42:18] <leleobhz> *completely*? [01:42:20] *** niner has joined #opensolaris [01:42:25] * leleobhz impressed [01:42:28] <aoglobalent_> really? [01:42:31] <xRaich[o]2x> a lot different [01:42:32] <WalkingAsterisk> yes really [01:42:33] <leleobhz> *impresionated [01:42:43] *** kleppari has quit IRC [01:42:56] <leleobhz> my initial idea is install solaris 10 [01:43:01] <aoglobalent_> My friend just tried to do an install and he had a hard time... He couldn't get Internet for NOTHING [01:43:09] <leleobhz> but id really dont boot [01:43:20] <aoglobalent_> which is a better one to install, Solaris 10 or openSolaris? [01:43:20] <leleobhz> and the most funny is my machine is old [01:43:21] <WalkingAsterisk> Solaris 10 is the server OS is it not ? [01:43:24] <leleobhz> a pentium III [01:43:45] <xRaich[o]2x> WalkingAsterisk: yes the server os for production use [01:43:50] <WalkingAsterisk> Nice [01:43:58] <zimmermanc> http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_FAQ#What_is_the_difference_between_OpenSolaris.2C_Solaris_Express.2C_Solaris_10.2C_etc..3F [01:44:09] <leleobhz> have some way to debug solaris bootup? [01:44:16] <aoglobalent_> which one would you recommend I install, opensolaris or Solaris 10 [01:44:23] <xRaich[o]2x> you can also use it on the desktop. we use the solaris 10 desktop on our sunrays at university [01:44:24] <WalkingAsterisk> opensolaris if its a desktop [01:44:33] <aoglobalent_> desktop [01:44:38] <aoglobalent_> built my own box [01:44:42] <WalkingAsterisk> Nice [01:44:58] <xRaich[o]2x> desktop = opensolaris, server = solaris 10 [01:45:08] <aoglobalent_> which one should I install then, according to you opensolrais! [01:45:11] <WalkingAsterisk> I should buy a whitebox for solaris 10 [01:45:39] <zimmermanc> more info http://whacked.net/2005/06/21/confused-so-was-i/ [01:45:41] <hile_> for the love of all that is holy, why? [01:45:49] * xRaich[o]2x thinks about buying a x2100 as a build box here [01:45:52] <WalkingAsterisk> why what ? [01:45:56] <hile_> If you want a desktop box, buy a mac or use a PC and an X server. [01:46:30] <WalkingAsterisk> hile_: who are you talking to ? [01:46:41] <zimmermanc> i think he meant for trying it as a server [01:46:49] <WalkingAsterisk> Yeah, thats what i ment [01:47:11] <hile_> I'm speaking to whomever is using Solaris (or a Solaris derviative) as a desktop box. [01:47:13] <zimmermanc> for linux ppl. i'd say solaris 10 = RHEL , opensolaris=fedora core [01:47:22] <WalkingAsterisk> lol zimmermanc [01:47:33] <aoglobalent_> So, WalkingAsterisk you don't think I will have problems installing opensolaris with my network card so I can get on the internet? [01:47:35] * Aria laughs. Remarkably accurate. [01:47:52] <aoglobalent_> like my friend Stergio today did? [01:47:58] <zimmermanc> if you want a stable, supported environment for a server [01:47:59] <Aria> aoglobalent_, what network card? [01:48:07] <WalkingAsterisk> aoglobalent_: I cant promise anything. However i installed opensolaris on a laptop, and as i mentioned my only problem was sound [01:48:17] <zimmermanc> go with solaris 10. if you want neat new features and maybe sometimes a bit broken, go with fedora [01:48:27] <xRaich[o]2x> WalkingAsterisk: did you try oss? [01:48:29] <zimmermanc> hile_, i like opensolaris as a desktop. works quite well [01:48:38] <xRaich[o]2x> zimmermanc: same here [01:48:40] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [01:48:45] <xRaich[o]2x> got it running on my thinkpad [01:48:47] <Aria> Ditto. [01:48:48] <WalkingAsterisk> Yeah oss worked great, i just had to set a command in rc2 to start it on boot [01:48:54] <xRaich[o]2x> it's actually what i want in a desktop [01:48:54] <aoglobalent_> O.k. my friend tried to install opensolaris and could not get on the net for the life of him. He could not get his network card up and running... So I am concerned that I might do the install and have problems!?!?! [01:49:00] <xRaich[o]2x> great for development [01:49:02] <zimmermanc> dell c521 workstation @work [01:49:04] <delewis> and I'll take my Mac over running Solaris on my workstation any day. [01:49:11] <Aria> aoglobalent_, The question is, is your network card supported? [01:49:12] <zimmermanc> makes a decent firefox/terminal machine :D [01:49:20] <aoglobalent_> he was in ythis room today trying to figure it out, but nothing ever came of it.... [01:49:26] <Aria> aoglobalent_, If it is, it should work, if it's not, it may not. [01:49:31] <aoglobalent_> Good question Aria [01:49:32] <delewis> given that well, let's see... I ran Solaris on my Tadpole for about 2 years, and I've used Sun Rays on and off for about the last 5 years. Solaris on the desktop gets old. [01:49:38] <aoglobalent_> I have an Abit Fatality motherboard [01:49:50] <aoglobalent_> it has its own network card on board [01:49:50] *** victori has quit IRC [01:49:53] <delewis> aoglobalent_: ZOMG. [01:49:54] *** victori has joined #opensolaris [01:50:04] <delewis> did you get the complimentary dildo? [01:50:04] <aoglobalent_> ZOMG? [01:50:08] <WalkingAsterisk> lol [01:50:11] * niner chuckles. [01:50:13] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris [01:50:17] <delewis> I hear if you get the "Elite" edition you get the buttplug. [01:50:20] <hile_> niner? [01:50:22] <aoglobalent_> delewis, what do you mean by ZOMG? [01:50:23] <delewis> IS IT TRUE? [01:50:26] <niner> Where? [01:50:27] <hile_> same niner I think it is? [01:50:29] * niner smirks. [01:50:30] <zimmermanc> aoglobalent_, what type of nic card is it? [01:50:31] <niner> Yes. [01:50:38] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris [01:50:41] <aoglobalent_> hold, I will look it up right now [01:50:42] * niner throws a netra at hile's head. [01:50:55] <zimmermanc> it wouldn't be surprising for it not to be supported out of the box [01:51:06] <niner> probably a realtek on the fatality, if I recall [01:51:08] <zimmermanc> check first and download the drivers if you don't have another computer [01:51:17] <Aria> Network, based on 10/100 features of Intel 82562EZ chipset [01:51:17] <Aria> Network, based on Gigabit Ethernet features of Intel 82541 PI chipset. [01:51:25] <Aria> Looks like not. [01:51:26] <delewis> just. get. a. fucking. mac. already. [01:51:33] <delewis> much less headache. [01:51:36] <zimmermanc> fuck mac [01:51:39] <WalkingAsterisk> ? [01:51:42] <zimmermanc> takes your crayons and go away [01:51:46] <zimmermanc> *take [01:51:49] <zimmermanc> :D [01:51:57] <delewis> my crayons? [01:52:01] <Aria> aoglobalent_, is the motherboard one with dual network ports? [01:52:06] <delewis> you're obviously new to this channel. [01:52:13] <zimmermanc> lol [01:52:22] <zimmermanc> yes but it doesn't mean i can't hate mac's [01:52:34] <aoglobalent_> reading the book on the board now.... I custom built the box, so I have to read about it from Abit [01:52:49] * Aria is happily on her hackintosh, administering linux and solaris servers. [01:53:08] <delewis> I've got a hackintosh and a Macbook Pro. [01:53:17] <leleobhz> from http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/: Solaris Express Community Edition is Sun's binary release for OpenSolaris developers (code named "Nevada"). It is built from the latest OpenSolaris source and additional technology that has not been published in the OpenSolaris source base. [01:53:27] <aoglobalent_> it only says Lan1 [01:53:33] <leleobhz> well, i have a moral dilem [01:53:35] <zimmermanc> what os you running now aoglobalent_ [01:53:35] <leleobhz> a [01:53:41] <zimmermanc> running on the board. if any [01:53:46] <aoglobalent_> opensuse [01:53:50] <zimmermanc> lspci -v [01:54:04] <zimmermanc> or dmesg | grep eth0 actually probably work better [01:55:20] <niner> abit fatality aa8xe? [01:55:21] *** mirezwer has quit IRC [01:55:31] <niner> if so, it's a realtek gigabit. [01:56:07] <WalkingAsterisk> Man. [01:56:19] <WalkingAsterisk> brb [01:56:20] <zimmermanc> ? [01:56:33] <aoglobalent_> Network Interfaces Included: Ethernet (10/100/1000 Mbps) [01:57:59] <aoglobalent_> zimmermanc [01:58:05] <aoglobalent_> should I go ahead with it [01:58:10] <zimmermanc> i hope you don't expect that to answer anything [01:58:16] <aoglobalent_> lol [01:58:27] <aoglobalent_> that is all the info it gives me, hold let me seach more [01:58:28] <zimmermanc> dmesg | less [01:58:34] <zimmermanc> then /eth0 [01:58:38] <zimmermanc> find the make and model m8 [01:58:47] *** shadowteller has joined #opensolaris [01:58:51] <zimmermanc> Probably realtek . niner asked is it an aa8xe [01:59:06] <shadowteller> Hello all [01:59:10] <zimmermanc> http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/ [01:59:17] <zimmermanc> that's where I got the driver for my realtek nic [01:59:56] <zimmermanc> you need to find the make and model tho of the nic [01:59:57] *** shadowteller has quit IRC [02:00:28] <zimmermanc> err, sry, i have a broadcom [02:00:41] <zimmermanc> but they have several drivers for different nic's on that page [02:01:57] <niner> worst case scenario? get a cheap supported NIC. [02:02:08] * niner has a box of 3c905 cards for emergencies. [02:02:08] <aoglobalent_> LAN - Chip Realtek RTL8111B [02:02:40] <delewis> wow. [02:02:41] <aoglobalent_> zimmermanc is that good? [02:02:58] <delewis> my IRC buffer is filled up with tons and tons of lines of baffoons talking about debugging their cheap-ass NICs. [02:03:00] <zimmermanc> looks to be supported out of the box [02:03:01] <delewis> why is that funny. [02:03:15] <zimmermanc> it's called helping someone delewis [02:03:22] <WalkingAsterisk> I'm really starting to doubt the program im doing in college.....Its all windows server. Theres only one month on unix/linux. [02:03:25] <delewis> if you were helping someone, then you'd tell them to get a real NIC. [02:03:30] <aoglobalent_> so, opensolaris will support this Lan [02:03:31] <aoglobalent_> ? [02:03:31] <zimmermanc> and your the baffoon by posting erroneous drivel [02:03:32] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris [02:03:36] <delewis> i.e. something that doesn't match "realtek" [02:03:45] <zimmermanc> yeah aoglobalent_ , it's supported on the disk [02:03:52] <delewis> zimmermanc: I may be a baffoon, but I've mastered the usage of "your" and "you're" [02:03:57] <bimbo> hello, I don't know if any of you have noticed this, but why is it that java runs so much slowe in solaris than it does in other os'es (like windows and linux for instance) [02:04:02] <zimmermanc> hooray for you [02:04:04] <delewis> which implies I'm less of a baffoon than you. [02:04:09] <bimbo> I've been using opensolaris for about 1 year now [02:04:22] <aoglobalent_> thank you zimmermanc! [02:04:23] <bimbo> and I've always noticed this, since I'm a java developer [02:04:25] <zimmermanc> no it means i don't care about my syntax when negotiating with morons on irc [02:04:31] <WalkingAsterisk> How did the unix admins here get into the feild ? did you go to college ? [02:04:32] <aoglobalent_> delewis, are you bored.... [02:04:42] <delewis> no, I'm abusive. [02:04:43] <xRaich[o]2x> delewis: join #kindergarten [02:05:04] <delewis> I'm already there. [02:05:23] <delewis> will you show me your's if I show you mine? [02:05:29] <aoglobalent_> no, YOUR SAD! zimmermanc, thank you for being so kind and helpful unlike some CloWnS that escaped from the circus! [02:06:13] <delewis> you're obviously under the impression that someone gives a fuck about you using OpenSolaris, which in fact isn't correct. [02:06:36] *** dustman has quit IRC [02:06:38] <delewis> if you using OpenSolaris means that I have to hold your hand, then I'd prefer you go back to whatever shallow gene pool you came from. [02:06:46] *** dustman has joined #opensolaris [02:06:49] <pumpkin_> o.O [02:06:51] <aoglobalent_> sir, I didn't ask you for any help, so why are you even talking to me?!?!? Your a retard! [02:07:04] <WalkingAsterisk> Wow, there go's the friendly solaris channel [02:07:05] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris [02:07:15] <xRaich[o]2x> just put him on ignore [02:07:16] <pumpkin_> *you're [02:07:17] <pumpkin_> *goes [02:07:19] <pumpkin_> :P [02:07:22] <delewis> "friendly solaris channel" is an oxymoron if you've been on IRC long enough. [02:07:23] <aoglobalent_> thank you guys [02:07:36] <aoglobalent_> this man is abusive to say the least [02:07:43] <xRaich[o]2x> man? [02:07:47] <delewis> didn't I just say I was abusive? [02:07:51] <teknoprep> is there anything friendly on irc ? [02:07:54] <aoglobalent_> this is a place where people can ask for help, not get beggared! [02:07:55] <xRaich[o]2x> i thought it was a chimp am crack [02:08:11] <WalkingAsterisk> Yeah, its a pretty common thing across all irc channels [02:08:13] <aoglobalent_> so og be abusive some where else bro, seriously! [02:08:26] <teknoprep> bunch of low life idiots sitting in there mothers basement swearing they are gods gift to everything [02:08:28] <WalkingAsterisk> I got some real bad attitudes in a php channel last week [02:08:46] <pumpkin_> teknoprep: #haskell is the most amazingly friendly channel I've ever been in... never seen a flame in it; feels almost unnatural [02:09:01] <aoglobalent_> teknoprep, seriously all I did was ask for some help and this guy started acting CRazY! [02:09:01] <teknoprep> what is haskell ? [02:09:06] <delewis> wow, someone really needs to clean this cesspool up. [02:09:08] <pumpkin_> teknoprep: a programming language :) [02:09:21] <niner> haskell is the programming language that makes people question their sanity [02:09:27] <teknoprep> oh [02:09:31] <WalkingAsterisk> never herd of haskell [02:09:37] *** aoglobalent_ has quit IRC [02:09:37] <pumpkin_> probably why people are so friendly :P cause they're all insane [02:09:41] <teknoprep> why would there be a need for haskell ?/ [02:09:44] <pumpkin_> but it's friendly nonetheless [02:10:00] <teknoprep> can C/C++ just not about do everything ? [02:10:07] <pumpkin_> so can assembly language [02:10:10] <niner> There are certain classes of problem easier solved with functional languages like Haskell. [02:10:12] <pumpkin_> doesn't mean it's the best choice for everything [02:10:20] <niner> Like constraint solving. [02:11:18] <hile_> Of functional languages, I htink I would prefer SML [02:12:00] <pumpkin_> didn't mean to get into a language war in here :P was just saying that there's at least one friendly IRC channel [02:12:05] <pumpkin_> (with a large membership) [02:12:13] <zimmermanc> that's what she said [02:12:16] <delewis> there's not a lot of fun in a "friendly" IRC channel. [02:12:28] <delewis> I prefer the IRC channels that are full of sex, drugs, and rock-and-roll. [02:12:32] <pumpkin_> hah :) [02:13:07] <delewis> which is analogous to hookers and blow. [02:13:13] <delewis> (that works, too) [02:13:49] <delewis> but feel free to keep wanking to OpenSolaris on the desktop. [02:13:59] <WalkingAsterisk> ??? [02:14:03] * Aria rolls her eyes [02:14:11] <Aria> It's GNOME. It works well on a desktop. [02:14:18] <teknoprep> how do i update my path and environment after i install a new package [02:14:28] <teknoprep> i installed nano for solaris and it doesn't see that its inside of /usr/local/bin [02:14:32] <niner> And ZFS's a good redundant subsystem for porn storage. So I'm told. [02:14:38] * niner whistles nonchalantly [02:14:41] <hile_> GNOME is good fora desktop? [02:14:42] <zimmermanc> export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin [02:14:47] <zimmermanc> would do so temporarily [02:14:51] <teknoprep> i already have /usr/local/bin in my path [02:14:53] <delewis> it works well on a desktop if you're blind, mute, and deaf. [02:15:00] <WalkingAsterisk> delewis: what do you use ? [02:15:01] <zimmermanc> you could put such in your .bashrc as well [02:15:09] <delewis> WalkingAsterisk: I use a Mac. [02:15:14] <WalkingAsterisk> So why are you here ? [02:15:19] <delewis> because (a) I'm not blind, mute, and deaf and (b) I can afford one. [02:15:22] <niner> doesn't necessarily mean nano got installed in /usr/local/bin [02:15:29] <teknoprep> i checked its there [02:15:36] <niner> is it executable? [02:15:39] <niner> check permissions [02:15:40] <teknoprep> yes [02:15:40] <delewis> WalkingAsterisk: because I actually work with large, enterprise-grade Sun hardware. [02:15:43] <teknoprep> omfg [02:15:48] <delewis> hence why I don't need to wank to OpenSolaris on the desktop. [02:15:49] <hile_> I used to look strangely at insomnia when she said she used a windows box as her desktop. [02:16:01] <hile_> It works a hell of a lot better than using OpenSolaris. [02:16:11] <zimmermanc> arguably [02:16:15] <zimmermanc> depends what your doing [02:16:17] <teknoprep> i am not asking to add the path,,, i was asking how do i update after i install a package the new items in those paths that whre just installed [02:16:28] <teknoprep> i was pretty sure there was something i had to do after i install a package [02:16:28] * Aria shrugs. [02:16:30] <teknoprep> could be wrong tho [02:16:37] * niner shrugs. [02:16:38] <zimmermanc> oh no [02:16:57] <zimmermanc> no rehash [02:16:58] <zimmermanc> :D [02:16:59] <niner> I've never had to do anything post package install other than run a rehash, but that's because I'm a tcsh junkie. [02:17:01] <WalkingAsterisk> If you work with large, enterprise-grade Sun hardware. Why are you hanging in the OpenSolaris Wanker bin ? [02:17:09] <zimmermanc> ack [02:17:10] <teknoprep> zimmermanc, yeah thats it [02:17:22] <zimmermanc> oh shell fail! [02:17:22] <teknoprep> zimmermanc, i don't have to do that in opensolaris ? [02:17:23] <delewis> WalkingAsterisk: because there's actually some technical value (sometimes) in this channel that doesn't involve the "benefits" of running OpenSolaris on your peecee. [02:17:26] <zimmermanc> :D [02:17:31] <zimmermanc> not if your using bash [02:17:36] <teknoprep> i am [02:17:41] <WalkingAsterisk> Interesting [02:17:44] <zimmermanc> rehash is a tcsh/csh thing [02:17:46] <zimmermanc> iirc [02:18:06] <zimmermanc> haven't used tcsh since fbsd 4.2 [02:18:07] <zimmermanc> lol [02:18:09] <teknoprep> hmm [02:18:20] <zimmermanc> /usr/local/bin just isn't in your PATH i'd imagine, it's not by default [02:18:25] <teknoprep> i use freebsd for firewalls alot [02:18:26] <teknoprep> i love PF [02:18:33] *** Tobbe is now known as Tobbe|autoaway [02:19:31] *** PriceChild has joined #opensolaris [02:20:02] <delewis> I love chocolate-covered pretzels and booze. [02:20:35] *** [NikO] has joined #opensolaris [02:21:37] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [02:21:50] <WalkingAsterisk> Seems i cant remove netbeans. It thinks there are dependancys [02:22:37] <zimmermanc> why you removing it? what you using? [02:22:57] *** [NikO] has left #opensolaris [02:23:20] <WalkingAsterisk> I installed it with pkg from the repo. However the repo is 6.1, So i downloaded 6.5 manually and installed the .sh [02:23:21] <zimmermanc> i'm using eric4 right now for the python project i'm working on. [02:23:39] <WalkingAsterisk> Now i cant get rid of 6.1 [02:24:11] <zimmermanc> what deps does it want to remove? :\ [02:24:21] <wereHamster> how come osol ssh server doesn't accept ssh keys >4096 bits? [02:24:33] <WalkingAsterisk> all netbeans related. It appears its caught in a loop [02:24:33] <delewis> because such keys are pointless. [02:25:02] <WalkingAsterisk> Ah well, ill just rip the 6.1 icon out of the menu [02:25:08] <delewis> at least for RSA keys. [02:25:27] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris [02:25:29] *** CyberBlue has joined #opensolaris [02:28:05] *** teknoprep has quit IRC [02:29:14] *** niner has quit IRC [02:30:32] *** dvz has quit IRC [02:33:31] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [02:41:21] *** RavenSlay3r has joined #opensolaris [02:41:45] <stergios> guys i have a problem. I just installed opensolaris, im a newbie, and it wont connect to the internet. I'm plugged in to my cable modem. I've never had this problem before. Im running it on a lenovo thinkpad T500. It doesnt even show my connection. I disabled the nwam to get in to the network settings and everything is blank. can anybody help me out ? [02:42:03] *** kim0 has quit IRC [02:43:23] *** RavenSlay3r has left #opensolaris [02:43:48] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [02:44:02] <xRaich[o]2x> stergios: http://www.phildev.net/solaris/spppoe.html this might help. i'd just recommend to use a router and not connect your laptop directly. less painful [02:44:25] *** Teo`` has quit IRC [02:44:33] <stergios> its connected to a router [02:44:47] <stergios> i have my cable modem plugged in to a netgear router [02:45:07] <xRaich[o]2x> is your nic supported? [02:45:29] <stergios> i haven't any idea [02:45:30] <xRaich[o]2x> sorry it's almost 3am in the morning here i am not really awake anymore ^^ [02:45:38] <xRaich[o]2x> dladm show-link [02:45:42] <WalkingAsterisk> stergios: does it show a wifi and or a nic in the list when you go into the network manager ? [02:45:42] <stergios> its ok [02:45:43] *** aoglobalent has joined #opensolaris [02:45:53] <xRaich[o]2x> does your nic show up? [02:46:52] <aoglobalent> o.k. I just did the install and it was a success! now I am trying to change my resolution and it will not save the changes? Does any one know how to change and save ones resolution? [02:47:10] <WalkingAsterisk> Not sure on that one aoglobalent, i was happy with the default [02:47:21] <aoglobalent> It is REAL small [02:47:26] <WalkingAsterisk> lol [02:47:28] <aoglobalent> 1900 x somehting [02:47:40] <aoglobalent> I can barely even see your writing as we speak! [02:47:56] <WalkingAsterisk> You mite be able to edit the x config file. Though ive only done it on linux so i cant guide you [02:48:37] <WalkingAsterisk> Did you get internet to work aoglobalent ? [02:48:43] <aoglobalent> yes! [02:48:44] <stergios> guys, isnt there some sort of quick fix [02:48:49] <aoglobalent> I'm on it now... [02:48:50] <stergios> walking, im the guy with the internet problem [02:48:53] <stergios> heheh [02:49:00] <WalkingAsterisk> stergios: i asked you a question and you didnt answer [02:49:12] <stergios> no walking [02:49:16] <stergios> it is completely blank [02:49:20] *** jimgris has joined #opensolaris [02:49:25] *** Jorge1 has joined #opensolaris [02:49:27] <WalkingAsterisk> Then your hardware is not supported out of the box [02:49:37] <stergios> what do i have to do [02:49:40] <WalkingAsterisk> You need to find out exactly what card you have. And hunt for a solution on google [02:49:49] <stergios> i see [02:49:51] <Jorge1> hi everybody [02:49:52] <stergios> i just reinstalled [02:50:01] <stergios> now it says that i cant open the network properties [02:50:08] <stergios> cause of some nwam thing [02:50:16] <aoglobalent> hey jorge1 [02:50:18] <WalkingAsterisk> Yeah, you need to disable it like before [02:50:24] <Jorge1> hello [02:50:33] <stergios> can you remind me how to do that [02:50:33] <aoglobalent> listen, what do I do about this resolution issue? It is just to small to see?!?! [02:50:41] <WalkingAsterisk> stergios: man nwand [02:50:44] *** loke__ has joined #opensolaris [02:50:47] <Jorge1> I just finished the installation of OpenSolaris [02:51:10] <WalkingAsterisk> The command to shut it off is in there, when you do that, let me know whats in the list when you open the network settings in system > administration > network [02:51:15] <WalkingAsterisk> congrats Jorge1 [02:51:21] <Jorge1> it is a totally new envinronment for me [02:51:35] <WalkingAsterisk> aoglobalent: The resolution changes but it wont stick after a reboot ? [02:51:49] <Jorge1> I've clicked on Application [02:51:54] <Jorge1> and after that [02:51:54] <WalkingAsterisk> Jorge1: have you ever used a unix or linux of before ? [02:51:58] <Jorge1> System tools [02:52:09] *** aoglobalent has quit IRC [02:52:09] <Jorge1> but I do not see the BootLoader [02:52:24] <WalkingAsterisk> Jorge1: what are you trying to do ? [02:52:56] *** aoglobalent has joined #opensolaris [02:53:04] <Jorge1> I have installed 4 operating systems in my laptop [02:53:11] <WalkingAsterisk> Ok [02:53:14] <Jorge1> but I do not know [02:53:22] <WalkingAsterisk> You dont know what your trying to do ? [02:53:26] <aoglobalent> alright guys, this is crazy! When I try to change my resolution, it kicks me off and makes me log back in and then I have the same font?!?!? [02:53:27] <stergios> walking, what if i select automatic proxy configuration in network proxy preferences, will that make a difference [02:53:32] <Jorge1> not much [02:53:35] <stergios> it is currently checked off at direct internet connection [02:53:46] <WalkingAsterisk> aoglobalent: ok, so theres a problem with the resolution your picking [02:53:58] <WalkingAsterisk> stergios: no you dont need proxy settings [02:54:04] <aoglobalent> should I change the settings on my monitor as well [02:54:05] <aoglobalent> ? [02:54:20] <WalkingAsterisk> aoglobalent: You mite try google. Im not up on monitor stuff sorry. [02:54:47] <WalkingAsterisk> stergios: Are you trying to get the wifi or the ethernet working ? [02:54:58] <Jorge1> does anybody know how to enable the BootLoader option under system tools? [02:55:02] <stergios> either one walking, i just need an internet connection [02:55:13] <WalkingAsterisk> Ok, click on the wifi and go into properties [02:55:29] <stergios> where is wifi [02:55:39] <WalkingAsterisk> Bloody hell stergios [02:55:48] <stergios> i know i know [02:55:50] <WalkingAsterisk> How many cards are listed in the network panel [02:56:03] <stergios> in proxy it has cproxy config and advanced config [02:56:17] <stergios> im still looking up how to disable nwam to get into the network tab [02:56:18] <stergios> one sec [02:56:22] *** aoglobalent has quit IRC [02:56:23] <WalkingAsterisk> Ok [02:56:35] <WalkingAsterisk> Forget proxys for one thing [02:57:16] *** Jorge1 has quit IRC [02:57:28] <WalkingAsterisk> stergios: svcadm disable svc:/network/physical:nwan Should turn it off [02:57:38] <stergios> ok it has three tabs, connections, general, dns, and hosts [02:57:39] *** aoglobalent has joined #opensolaris [02:57:47] <WalkingAsterisk> Ok in the connection tab [02:57:52] <stergios> blank [02:57:53] <WalkingAsterisk> Are there any cards listed ? [02:57:59] <stergios> its all blank [02:58:02] <aoglobalent> I keep on getting kicked off when I try to change the resolution!?!? [02:58:15] <aoglobalent> do I need to do and upgrade of my ATIdrivers maybe? [02:58:26] <WalkingAsterisk> Then you need to resort to my advice from before. Find out exactly what card it is and google for opensolaris Mycard [02:58:53] <stergios> ok let me see [02:59:02] <aoglobalent> ATI graphics card, does that play a role in this situation? [02:59:15] <WalkingAsterisk> Im not sure aoglobalent [02:59:21] <aoglobalent> I need to change this, or else I can never work with this OS [02:59:25] <aoglobalent> is is JUST TO SMALL! [02:59:51] <WalkingAsterisk> Have you tried google aoglobalent ? [03:00:11] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [03:00:14] <stergios> walking, interestingly lenovo's support site has drivers for linux [03:00:16] <stergios> will those work [03:00:26] *** jimgris has left #opensolaris [03:00:26] <stergios> in the hardware driver matrix [03:00:27] <WalkingAsterisk> No [03:00:30] <stergios> ok [03:00:45] <WalkingAsterisk> But if you know the card stergios google for opensolaris and the name of the card [03:00:50] <WalkingAsterisk> See if someone else has got it working [03:00:57] <stergios> it says 1Gb ethernet [03:01:07] <WalkingAsterisk> Needs to be more specific [03:01:20] <WalkingAsterisk> brb making food [03:01:31] *** netj has joined #opensolaris [03:01:44] *** jstephan_ has joined #opensolaris [03:02:37] <aoglobalent> where do I find ATI drivers for opensolaris? [03:03:19] *** knix_ has joined #opensolaris [03:03:41] *** knix_ has quit IRC [03:04:23] *** loke_ has quit IRC [03:06:06] <aoglobalent> Can any one tell me where I can upgrade my ATI drivers for opensolaris [03:06:08] <aoglobalent> ? [03:06:35] <aoglobalent> stergios, did you get internet? [03:06:48] <stergios> nope [03:06:56] <stergios> looking up my nic [03:07:10] <xRaich[o]2x> dladm show-link [03:07:13] <xRaich[o]2x> lists your nics [03:07:50] <aoglobalent> can anyone help me find ATI drivers? I try to change my resolution on my box and it just doesn't want to work... I think it might have to do with the drivers! [03:07:56] <aoglobalent> need help ASAP! [03:08:22] <stergios> it does nothing xraich [03:08:35] <stergios> i type it in and it just goes back to -bash-3.2 [03:09:01] <xRaich[o]2x> looks like you're nick is not supported. [03:09:12] <xRaich[o]2x> i might be wrong though [03:09:13] <stergios> what do i do [03:09:21] <aoglobalent> xRaich, can you help me? [03:09:24] <xRaich[o]2x> you know what chip it is? [03:09:28] <xRaich[o]2x> aoglobalent: nope sry [03:09:34] <stergios> looking it up now [03:09:47] <aoglobalent> so no ones knows where I can get drivers for ATI? [03:10:05] <tsoome> get supported hardware [03:10:21] <aoglobalent> tsoome, can you help me? [03:10:50] <xRaich[o]2x> steleman: pfexec scanpci [03:10:52] <xRaich[o]2x> sry [03:11:05] <xRaich[o]2x> stergios: i meant [03:11:15] *** Rarok has quit IRC [03:11:30] <tsoome> just did. if your card is not supported, only quick solution is to drop in supported one [03:11:37] *** victori has quit IRC [03:12:39] <aoglobalent> o.k., now what I did is messed with my fonts so that I don't continue to GET a headache! [03:13:10] <WalkingAsterisk> Good idea aoglobalent [03:13:17] <aoglobalent> I am rigging my comp for now until I find the right drivers! [03:14:16] <WalkingAsterisk> rigg away aoglobalent [03:14:17] <aoglobalent> where do I go to get my updates?!!? [03:14:22] <aoglobalent> lol [03:14:40] <aoglobalent> is there a place wher eI go to update this OS [03:14:52] <WalkingAsterisk> You have to code your own updates [03:15:04] <xRaich[o]2x> aoglobalent: are you running rc2? [03:17:12] <aoglobalent> hum.... [03:17:29] <aoglobalent> please clarify Raich and further explain walking! [03:17:38] <WalkingAsterisk> Im kidding bro [03:17:48] <aoglobalent> I like this OS, but now I need to get this thinbg right! [03:17:52] <aoglobalent> lol [03:17:55] <aoglobalent> Raich [03:17:58] <xRaich[o]2x> aoglobalent: what build are you running? uname -a [03:17:59] <aoglobalent> whats the deal?!!? [03:18:09] <aoglobalent> I have no clue sir [03:18:19] <xRaich[o]2x> uname -a! [03:18:20] <aoglobalent> how do I check [03:18:25] <xRaich[o]2x> uname -a! [03:18:25] <WalkingAsterisk> rofl [03:18:29] <xRaich[o]2x> damn it [03:18:50] <aoglobalent> sorry Raich, I am totaly a newbeeeeeee [03:19:00] <aoglobalent> please guide me through step by step [03:19:04] <xRaich[o]2x> you should be able to read [03:19:12] <xRaich[o]2x> type uname -a into the terminal [03:19:13] <xRaich[o]2x> u [03:19:14] <xRaich[o]2x> n [03:19:15] <xRaich[o]2x> a [03:19:16] <xRaich[o]2x> m [03:19:16] <aoglobalent> I am reading, don't understand your question [03:19:17] <xRaich[o]2x> e [03:19:19] <xRaich[o]2x> [03:19:20] <WalkingAsterisk> ROFLMFAO [03:19:21] <stergios> walking asterisk i called lenovo and all they could tell me is that its a standard 1gb ethernet card [03:19:22] <xRaich[o]2x> a [03:19:28] <stergios> this is so frustrating, i want to burn this box [03:19:31] <stergios> i cant take this anymore [03:19:42] *** jstephan has quit IRC [03:19:45] <aoglobalent> gregory [03:19:57] <aoglobalent> got yah! [03:20:00] <WalkingAsterisk> xRaich[o]2x: he likely doesnt know what a terminal is [03:20:01] <aoglobalent> sorry guys [03:20:11] <xRaich[o]2x> sure? [03:20:40] <aoglobalent> I have bash - 3.2# [03:20:44] <aoglobalent> ready when you are [03:20:51] <WalkingAsterisk> type uname -r [03:21:00] <xRaich[o]2x> nope -a [03:21:05] <WalkingAsterisk> whoops [03:21:29] <kimc> near panic situation [03:21:41] <aoglobalent> nothing [03:21:49] <WalkingAsterisk> it cant be nothing aoglobalent [03:22:00] <aoglobalent> it says command not found [03:22:07] <WalkingAsterisk> ..... [03:22:17] <xRaich[o]2x> aoglobalent: i don't mean to make fun of you... but you know how to use bash don't you? [03:22:29] <xRaich[o]2x> uname -a<enter> [03:22:35] <aoglobalent> seriously, Raich, NO :>( [03:22:55] <xRaich[o]2x> you know how to type? [03:23:16] <aoglobalent> what I have in my terminal is this; gregory@aoglobalent:~$ [03:23:28] <xRaich[o]2x> so what's the problem? [03:23:30] <xRaich[o]2x> type [03:23:31] <aoglobalent> yes Raich [03:23:32] <xRaich[o]2x> uname -a [03:23:53] <techqbert> IPSvlc fails. How can I play .wmv or .mp3? (pulling down songbird now) [03:23:53] <aoglobalent> o.k. [03:24:09] <xRaich[o]2x> output? [03:24:27] <aoglobalent> SunOS aoglobalent 5.11 snv_86 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris [03:24:28] <xRaich[o]2x> techqbert: i use the lifewithsolaris.jp repo. vlc works without a problem [03:24:39] <xRaich[o]2x> aoglobalent: you are using an old version [03:24:48] <aoglobalent> so now what? [03:25:00] <WalkingAsterisk> Thats what im using aswell xRaich[o]2x [03:25:04] *** victori_ has quit IRC [03:25:06] <aoglobalent> tell that to Steve he gave me the disk, that might be his problem as well [03:25:08] <xRaich[o]2x> http://genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0811-rc2.iso [03:25:18] <WalkingAsterisk> I got it from the main site [03:25:19] <xRaich[o]2x> this is rc2 of 2008.11 [03:25:30] <techqbert> xRaich[o]2x: on google some people recommend that as well. Will that disrupt any image-update, say going from 93 to 101? [03:25:30] <aoglobalent> can I do an upgrade rather than an entire install?!?! [03:25:49] <elektronkind> ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? [03:25:58] <elektronkind> (for added emphasis) [03:26:07] <elektronkind> (there wasn't enough the first time) [03:26:12] <WalkingAsterisk> lol [03:26:29] <xRaich[o]2x> aoglobalent: yes you can... but seriously. you had issues with typing uname -a i don't think i will have the strenght to lead you through this since it's 3am in the morning [03:26:34] <elektronkind> aoglobalent: just do a fresh install, it doesn't take long [03:27:07] <elektronkind> this is unix, I know this! [03:27:18] *** dustman has quit IRC [03:27:22] *** dustman has joined #opensolaris [03:28:05] <elektronkind> there's a light-years' worth of difference between 2008.5 and what will be 2008.11 in terms of drivers and enhancements [03:28:31] <elektronkind> rc2 is probably going to go through one more itteration before getting the 2008.11 stamp on its forehead [03:28:37] <elektronkind> so give it a go [03:28:46] <xRaich[o]2x> ack [03:28:49] <elektronkind> all you lose is a blank CD-R [03:28:50] <WalkingAsterisk> isnt it just pkg update-image [03:28:51] <aoglobalent> I am not getting the link to work.... lol, Raich, sorry bro and thank you for your help! [03:28:55] <techqbert> any idea how to get rid of the 250mb I dled from blastwave to find out VLC doesn't install. I need the equivalent of "portupgrade distclean" or "apt-get autoclean" [03:29:01] *** twisti__ has joined #opensolaris [03:30:02] *** esaxe has quit IRC [03:30:49] <xRaich[o]2x> aoglobalent: http://genunix.org/ figure out the right link for yourself. that's the basic test for running opensolaris. if you don't pass it consider using something else :P [03:31:01] <WalkingAsterisk> LOL [03:31:56] *** esaxe has joined #opensolaris [03:32:16] <elektronkind> techqbert: in my knowledge about IPS, I don't think it suffers from the same thing that requires there be a apt-get autoclean on debian. Just do a 'pkg remove ...' [03:32:37] <elektronkind> mr. saxe, hello [03:32:46] <WalkingAsterisk> 2008.05 is the download on the opensolaris site [03:33:02] <xRaich[o]2x> yeah it's pretty outdated though [03:33:04] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris [03:33:16] *** CRasH180 has joined #opensolaris [03:33:19] <xRaich[o]2x> the guys at sun did some amazing work with the new release [03:33:26] <elektronkind> 2008.11 is in RC stage, likely only the GA will be on opensolaris.com-proper [03:33:26] <xRaich[o]2x> packed full with new stuff [03:33:30] <WalkingAsterisk> Cool, [03:33:35] <WalkingAsterisk> Maybe i should try it [03:34:00] <aoglobalent> Guys, why is this distro not on Solaris' site?!?!? [03:34:08] <elektronkind> I've been pkg image-update'ing my 2008.5 installs since May and have noted the progression... it's pretty nice [03:34:19] <xRaich[o]2x> same here [03:34:21] <WalkingAsterisk> Cool, [03:34:24] <aoglobalent> I am dowloading, but me and Stergio just downloaded Solaris from Sun's site.... [03:34:28] * WalkingAsterisk begins the update [03:34:28] <xRaich[o]2x> a fresh install is best though [03:34:29] <zimmermanc> i went from 100 to 101b [03:34:35] <zimmermanc> i've noticed no progression [03:34:37] <zimmermanc> :D [03:34:40] <xRaich[o]2x> lol ^^ [03:34:58] *** victori has joined #opensolaris [03:35:04] <zimmermanc> and frankly i'm annoyed? [03:35:07] <zimmermanc> :) [03:35:19] <xRaich[o]2x> it was a lot of fun seeing the whole progress. [03:35:25] <aoglobalent> hello, Raich, what is the deal... [03:35:45] <elektronkind> yeah, I'm pissed! I went from 101a to 101b and I didn't even get a hand job! [03:35:51] <WalkingAsterisk> hahaha [03:35:57] <elektronkind> NO IMPROVEMENTS = SUCK [03:36:06] <xRaich[o]2x> hrhr [03:36:19] <Aria> In that context, isn't suck good? [03:36:25] <elektronkind> you have a point there [03:37:32] <elektronkind> seriously, though, with the storage-related stuff included since 2008.5, I'm thinking of re-invigorating my NAS appliance project [03:37:50] <elektronkind> because the fishworks stuff, which was originally going to be open-sources, won't be [03:37:55] <xRaich[o]2x> you mean l2arc? [03:37:59] *** twisti_ has quit IRC [03:38:47] <elektronkind> well, the zfs features in general, plus the SMB server, and COMSTAR which brings up FCoE, FC, and a better iscsi target server [03:38:56] <elektronkind> s/up/us [03:39:56] <elektronkind> right now the only made-on-opensolaris NAS solutions are commercial (NexentaStor and Amber Road/Fishworks) [03:40:00] <xRaich[o]2x> i'm so glad my university finally migrated to zfs. and thank god they took care of our sunrays as well [03:40:27] <xRaich[o]2x> working at the solaris pool sucked so hard until now [03:45:08] *** PicCard has quit IRC [03:45:41] <WalkingAsterisk> xRaich[o]2x: Are you taking computer science at university ? [03:45:47] <xRaich[o]2x> yeah [03:45:53] <WalkingAsterisk> Cool [03:46:02] <WalkingAsterisk> If i had my time back i think thats what i would have done [03:46:44] <WalkingAsterisk> Im doing a college program called Information System Specialist. The problem is they only spend one month on unix/linux [03:46:55] <Aria> Heh. Oy. [03:47:13] <WalkingAsterisk> Its mostly windows server [03:47:22] *** nitrile has quit IRC [03:47:35] <Aria> Oh geez. [03:47:39] <WalkingAsterisk> yeah you said it [03:48:12] <xRaich[o]2x> i was thinking about becoming sun campus ambassador [03:48:16] <WalkingAsterisk> And they really know how to suck the life force out of your student loan with BS courses. I've been there 3 months now and i havent learned a thing [03:49:12] <WalkingAsterisk> There was a month of pro skills. Which was mostly gramar. Then comp fundamentals (this is the start button this is how to make a folder) then software fundamentals(office crap) next is operating systems(batch files install an OS) [03:49:21] <WalkingAsterisk> Whats a campus ambassador ? [03:50:39] <xRaich[o]2x> from what i understand you basically give talks about recent sun technologies. dunno what else the job demands. but it looks pretty interesting [03:50:53] <WalkingAsterisk> Cool [03:51:20] <WalkingAsterisk> This province is completly BS. The education is garbage [03:51:39] <xRaich[o]2x> where you at? [03:51:43] <WalkingAsterisk> Newfoundland canada [03:52:09] <WalkingAsterisk> I will come out of it with some certs A+ network+ ccna and some mikysoft. [03:52:09] <xRaich[o]2x> i was thinking about moving to canada after university [03:52:29] <xRaich[o]2x> not sure though [03:52:29] <WalkingAsterisk> Canada is a great place. The education mite be decent in other provinces. [03:52:36] <stergios> i studied mathematics at mit, i learned more in the library reading my own stuff than the stuff that was taught in the classroom [03:52:48] <stergios> grad school is where you can really shine and do whatever you like [03:52:55] <xRaich[o]2x> been there once for a few days. i really liked it [03:52:59] <WalkingAsterisk> Whats grad school ? [03:53:21] <stergios> doctoral program [03:53:31] <WalkingAsterisk> I dont understand what you mean. [03:53:31] <stergios> where you can actually employ your creativity [03:53:50] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [03:53:57] <WalkingAsterisk> I could actually save myself a ton og money and get all the certs on my own [03:54:01] <WalkingAsterisk> of* [03:54:03] <stergios> what i mean is, in college you are forced to take all sorts of requirements, classes that are not particularly interesting to you but that you have to take for the sake of the university billing you [03:54:12] <WalkingAsterisk> Ahh [03:54:20] <stergios> in graduate school you have the freedom do do whatever you like [03:54:21] <WalkingAsterisk> Yeah thats exactly what theese goons are doing [03:54:24] <stergios> you pick a topic [03:54:31] <stergios> and you employ your creativity to complete your thesis [03:54:31] <WalkingAsterisk> Nice [03:54:37] <stergios> oh definately [03:54:54] <stergios> in greece, where im orginally from, college means 40 classes of mathematics for math majors [03:54:54] <WalkingAsterisk> Its a college im at though. Not university [03:54:55] <xRaich[o]2x> ok guys. 4am.... i think i need my sleep now ^^ [03:55:03] <WalkingAsterisk> Later xRaich[o]2x [03:55:05] <stergios> here, it means 12 classes of math and then the rest are requirements [03:55:11] <xRaich[o]2x> later folks [03:55:18] <stergios> poetry and gender studies and nonsense like that (for me anyway) [03:55:24] <WalkingAsterisk> Geez [03:55:28] <stergios> exactly [03:55:54] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC [03:56:03] *** leleobhz has left #opensolaris [03:56:06] <WalkingAsterisk> Its actually impossible to fail at colleges aswell. They want your money and they want to say there students passed [03:56:37] * Aria grins at stergios. Gender studies, eh? [03:57:02] <WalkingAsterisk> Im really pissed off. That i signed up to become an admin. And for three months its been BS. and they leave out the unix . [03:57:32] <WalkingAsterisk> I mean seriously how often does an admin need to know the ins and outs of excell [03:57:54] <WalkingAsterisk> or what compitent person couldnt figure it out anyway [03:58:33] <Aria> Heh. [03:58:47] <Aria> ... I never could make it do anything more than be a database-on-stupid-drugs. [03:59:12] <WalkingAsterisk> Its total BS Aria, the examples he is giving are way better served in a database with some php or something [03:59:54] <Aria> Well, yeah. Excel is every poor man's database. [04:00:18] <WalkingAsterisk> I may downgrade to CST computer service technician. Get the A+ network+ split and then do the os certs "I" want solo [04:00:25] <WalkingAsterisk> Theres a week of Access too [04:01:06] *** myosound has quit IRC [04:02:21] <noyb> Is there enuf sarcasm to go around?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :) [04:02:42] <WalkingAsterisk> heh heh [04:03:38] <noyb> * [04:03:45] <noyb> /\ [04:04:02] <noyb> walking asterisk maybe? [04:04:11] <WalkingAsterisk> Im lost man [04:04:30] <WalkingAsterisk> Im not sure what your getting at [04:05:04] <noyb> apparently a poor attempt at humor... [04:05:46] <WalkingAsterisk> Man 823MB to update [04:09:34] <stergios> walking i was using solaris 05, im dling 11 now [04:09:41] <stergios> do u think that will make a difference [04:09:56] <WalkingAsterisk> It mite have the driver you need stergios [04:10:00] <WalkingAsterisk> But im not sure [04:10:12] <stergios> its worth a shot [04:10:17] <WalkingAsterisk> Sure is [04:11:35] *** delewis has quit IRC [04:17:28] <stergios> walking, it works !! [04:17:32] <stergios> the live cd gets online [04:17:35] <stergios> im installing it right now [04:19:27] <stergios> im excited [04:20:00] <stergios> walking will i be able to use the compiz cube (i used to in ubuntu through the emerald manager) [04:20:43] *** Gekz_ has joined #OpenSolaris [04:20:52] *** Gekz has quit IRC [04:21:01] *** Gekz_ is now known as Gekz [04:22:57] *** yarihm has quit IRC [04:27:12] *** bimbo has quit IRC [04:27:37] <WalkingAsterisk> stergios: Im not sure, i have not tried to set it up [04:28:02] <WalkingAsterisk> However compiz is installed [04:28:22] <WalkingAsterisk> I would suggest your chances are pretty good [04:36:01] *** stergios has quit IRC [04:43:09] *** T_B_ has joined #opensolaris [04:44:35] *** dustman has quit IRC [04:47:46] *** dustman has joined #opensolaris [04:48:47] *** T_B has quit IRC [04:49:22] *** Aria has quit IRC [04:52:52] *** hecki_ has joined #opensolaris [04:58:44] *** Gekz has quit IRC [04:59:43] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris [05:00:22] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [05:00:36] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [05:04:16] *** dustman has quit IRC [05:04:21] *** dustman has joined #opensolaris [05:08:57] *** sunny has joined #opensolaris [05:09:45] *** Gekz has quit IRC [05:10:23] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [05:10:27] *** hecki has quit IRC [05:11:36] *** Rarok has quit IRC [05:20:35] *** netj_ has joined #opensolaris [05:28:04] *** netj_ has quit IRC [05:28:37] *** netj_ has joined #opensolaris [05:29:22] *** netj has quit IRC [05:29:34] *** Gekz has quit IRC [05:29:46] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [05:31:40] *** WalkingAsterisk has left #opensolaris [05:38:25] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [05:40:33] *** piwi has quit IRC [05:44:27] *** swa_work has quit IRC [05:46:56] *** syamajala has quit IRC [05:48:51] *** netj_ has quit IRC [05:54:41] *** CyberBlue has quit IRC [05:55:13] *** CRasH180 has quit IRC [05:59:01] *** master_of_master has quit IRC [06:03:10] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [06:05:29] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris [06:08:01] <ninjaslim> hi guys is ips going to become the default package manager [06:11:03] *** sunny has quit IRC [06:15:39] <TomJ> at some point yes [06:15:42] <TomJ> late 2009 probably [06:17:20] *** cast|lir has joined #opensolaris [06:18:55] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [06:44:48] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [06:50:30] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [06:56:10] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [07:01:39] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [07:03:57] *** pumpkin_ has quit IRC [07:08:16] *** Gekz has quit IRC [07:08:36] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [07:10:28] *** aoglobalent has quit IRC [07:10:38] *** myosound has quit IRC [07:11:45] *** sunny has joined #opensolaris [07:11:51] *** avinash has joined #opensolaris [07:14:18] <sunny> hi, is there a way to add a disk to a zpool while retaining all the data something similar to vxvm encapsulate [07:16:07] *** gm152 has quit IRC [07:20:01] <TomJ> what kind of zpool? [07:22:10] <sunny> any zpool without raidz*,mirror [07:22:41] *** pumpkin- has joined #opensolaris [07:22:57] <TomJ> you can turn a raid 0 into a raid 10, and you can stripe extra raid sets onto any existing raid set [07:23:10] <TomJ> but you can't make a raidz out of a raid 0/raid 10 and you can't add disks to a raidz [07:23:37] <TomJ> though you can replace each disk of a raidz (in turn) with a larger disk which will grow the pool once all are replaced [07:26:27] <sunny> what i am trying to do is kind of stupid ... i want to migrate zones between machines with minimum downtime ... so lets say i have a zone configured on a zpool which is made of 1 lun ... i want to replicate / replace the existing lun with a new lun, the existing data gets replicated to the new disk, i can then take the old disk which i think already has the data move it to another system ... now i want to make a zpool with this disk all the while retai [07:26:28] <sunny> ning data on it [07:28:24] <sunny> i am aware that zfs send/recv can be used for replication ... was just testing out whether an approach like mentioned above would work [07:30:33] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris [07:30:51] *** avinash has quit IRC [07:34:44] <gerard13> hello all, i have a new Sun X4150, put two disks inside, but the bios doesn't seem to see them. Is there a particular thing to do? 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[10:54:41] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [11:02:01] *** netj has quit IRC [11:05:47] *** digifor has joined #opensolaris [11:08:23] <palowoda> TT: Maybe you didn't specifiy what kind of filesystem that would have free space in a non-solaris partition? Than again you didn't indicate what type of partition you are talking about. [11:10:43] <digifor> Is there a page that lists the "cheat codes" to use when trying to boot the OpenSolaris 2008.11rc2 live cd? [11:10:57] <digifor> All I get is a blinking cursor. [11:12:46] <palowoda> Never seen a blinking cursor booting Opensolaris. What kind of hardware do you have? [11:15:25] <digifor> acer extensa 4630z [11:16:12] <digifor> I am not the only one: http://www.google.com/search?q=opensolaris+livecd+boot+blinking+cursor&btnG=Search&hl=en&sa=2 [11:17:18] <palowoda> Could be related to the Intel GMA X4500. [11:20:52] <palowoda> It would be a good question for the indiana-discuss list on opensolaris.org site. [11:21:17] *** tomww has quit IRC [11:21:27] *** tomww has joined #opensolaris [11:22:53] <digifor> thanks palowoda I will try that. [11:23:25] <palowoda> Or you could try booting SXCE in the text mode see if the actual kernel comes up. That would narrow it down. [11:24:44] *** nitrile has quit IRC [11:25:12] <palowoda> Note you don't have to install SXCE just boot it in the text mode. It's not going to install anything on the disk until the last question when it asks you. [11:26:44] <palowoda> Hmm come to think of it didn't rc2 of opensolaris have a text mode install? I thought I seen the option. [11:27:04] *** Odin- has quit IRC [11:28:13] *** CIA-25 has quit IRC [11:28:18] <digifor> I will check on announce [11:29:09] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [11:29:31] <digifor> It definitely has a text mode boot up [11:30:05] <e^ipi> palowoda: no, it doesn't [11:30:24] <e^ipi> NFI if they're even making one beyond the auto-install [11:31:20] <digifor> Should I try to boot with -k -v or something like that? [11:32:01] <palowoda> digifor: Sure if you want to boot with -kv and find out where it hangs all the more power to you. [11:32:27] <digifor> back in a minute [11:32:34] *** digifor has quit IRC [11:33:46] <coffman> woop [11:34:09] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [11:34:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [11:34:23] *** artiflo has joined #opensolaris [11:34:43] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris [11:35:22] <e^ipi> heya Gman [11:36:22] <Gman> hey john [11:36:33] <yksinaisyyteni> if i use OpenSSL on solaris for cipher operations, do i automatically get solaris crypto acceleration? [11:36:38] <yksinaisyyteni> (using sun's openssl) [11:37:15] *** CIA-27 has joined #opensolaris [11:37:16] <e^ipi> Gman: how's your evening going? [11:37:17] <tsoome> yep yefrom /usr/sfw:) [11:39:29] <palowoda> yksinaisyyteni: Was that a hardware question? [11:39:41] <yksinaisyyteni> palowoda: no, it's an openssl on solaris question [11:40:03] <palowoda> And the type of acceleration? [11:40:11] <yksinaisyyteni> i'm not talking about a specific acceleration [11:40:27] <palowoda> Oh just general acceleration. [11:40:28] <yksinaisyyteni> just in general: if the system supports some kind of crypto acceleration, and i use sun's openssl, will my cipher be accelerated automatically [11:41:04] <palowoda> some kind of crypto acceleration? Pick and choose right. [11:41:23] <yksinaisyyteni> i don't know what that means [11:41:34] <palowoda> You asked the question not me. [11:41:54] <yksinaisyyteni> i don't want to "pick and choose" anything [11:42:00] <yksinaisyyteni> i want it to happen automatically, with no work from me [11:42:38] <tsoome> if you have accelerator hw integrated with solaris crypto, then apps can use it [11:43:04] <tsoome> but it may be related to specifig mechanism name or slot name and so on [11:43:12] <yksinaisyyteni> tsoome: but it works even if i use low-level cipher operations, rather than (say) OpenSSL's TLS implementation? [11:43:12] <tsoome> specific* [11:43:41] <tsoome> well, thats a question what part of api are you really using.) [11:44:04] <yksinaisyyteni> well, i'm using a wrapper around openssl, so i don't know exactly what functions it calls.. [11:44:13] <yksinaisyyteni> but i just use it to AES-encrypt some block of data i provide [11:44:41] <tsoome> if you have hardware for XOR but your app will use CPU xor op, then the accelerator is not used :) [11:47:30] *** dustman has quit IRC [11:47:36] *** dustman has joined #opensolaris [11:47:52] *** digifor has joined #opensolaris [11:52:48] <Gman> e^ipi: pretty good thanks - nice couple of whiskey's already downed :) [11:53:18] <digifor> I booted IPS 101b/RC2 with -kv. I hung with "mouse80420 is /isa/i8042@1,60/mouse@1 Notice kernel debugger is present..etc [11:53:51] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris [11:54:09] <e^ipi> nice [11:54:40] <palowoda> digifor: Interesting somebody reported a hang at the mouse driver on the opensolaris-discuss list. Can't remember which thread though. [11:55:15] <palowoda> Maybe something to do with a MS wireless mouse if I remember right. [11:55:40] <digifor> This is a laptop so it must be the touchpad [11:56:11] <Gman> e^ipi: g'night - finished a bunch of skype calls, and now off to bed! [11:56:14] *** Gman has quit IRC [11:58:18] <palowoda> digifor: I kind of figured you where using the touchpad. But none of the touchpad code really hasn't changed much in SXCE or Opensolaris lately as far as I know. Makes it kind of interesting. Also bring this up in xwindows-discuss list on opensolaris. It might narrow it down. [11:59:41] <digifor> thanks I will try that. [12:00:16] <digifor> Otherwise I can use OpenSolaris in Virtualbox. But I did want to run it natively. [12:01:26] <palowoda> Yeah I've seen all kinds of hardware issues disappear with VirtualBox. It's just another indication that it's hardware driver releated. [12:03:03] <boggy`> i ran a pkg image-update when when i grep my version | status it says my VERSION: 2.0.6,REV=r39760.2008.11.21.20.58 [12:03:03] <boggy`> STATUS: partially installed [12:03:03] <boggy`> how can i get it fully installed? [12:07:48] <palowoda> boggy`: If you do a new install do you get the same problem? [12:08:03] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris [12:08:10] <wdp> hello, someone arround? [12:08:16] *** dustman_ has joined #opensolaris [12:08:27] <palowoda> wdp: Wait I'm turning around. [12:09:14] <wdp> I got some problems after updating everything from 2008.05. Seems the new "kernel" isn't working on my notebook. When it tries to start it shows me the version like before and just reboots without doing anything else. [12:09:18] <wdp> palowoda: :p [12:10:11] <palowoda> wdp: Maybe it has something to do with activating the new BE. Just a guess. [12:10:49] <boggy`> this is a new install [12:11:19] <boggy`> i did a new install got sunwipkg, did image-update n thats what im stuck with [12:12:05] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [12:12:55] <palowoda> boggy`: You did a new image-update to what version? [12:13:42] <palowoda> I thought you did a new install. [12:14:43] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris [12:14:49] <wdp> palowoda: i think so too. [12:15:00] <wdp> palowoda: though thats not helping. [12:15:07] <wdp> isn't BE == kernel? [12:15:15] <wdp> (me is new to opensolaris.. ) [12:15:23] <boggy`> 2008.05 cd [12:15:55] <boggy`> i did.. i downloaded 2008.05, installed, got sunwipkg, did image-update.. thats all [12:16:00] <palowoda> Wow lot's of people not following the upgrade instructions on opensolaris lately. [12:16:22] <wdp> i think i did. [12:16:36] *** skylance has quit IRC [12:16:52] <wdp> installing 2008.05, configuring network, and then i updated everything using the package manager thingy within gnome. [12:17:01] *** skylance has joined #opensolaris [12:17:12] <wdp> wrong? [12:18:01] <palowoda> I wouldn't trust the package manager thingy from 2008.05. [12:18:17] <palowoda> I wouldn't trust anything from 2008.05. [12:18:23] <boggy`> well technically im not on .05 [12:18:24] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris [12:18:32] <boggy`> my version is .11 [12:18:38] <boggy`> its just not fully installed [12:18:39] <boggy`> :/ [12:18:50] <wdp> well i try again an update.. [12:18:52] <boggy`> the bm updated as well [12:19:07] <palowoda> Why do so many get the upgrade wrong on opensolaris versions. [12:19:39] <palowoda> And than they say they have a new install. [12:20:06] <boggy`> im not an opensolaris user im a trusted solaris user.. i figured id would run better on my dell workstation then solaris 10 x86 [12:20:07] <boggy`> :/ [12:20:25] <boggy`> :~# pkg image-update [12:20:25] <boggy`> No updates available for this image. [12:20:27] <boggy`> heh [12:20:34] <palowoda> But opensolaris version upgrades are not the same as solaris upgrades. [12:20:42] <boggy`> i noticed [12:20:47] <boggy`> hence the reason im having a problem [12:20:49] <palowoda> It's work in process. [12:21:14] <palowoda> That is why I asked if you did a new install of opensolaris. [12:21:19] *** dustman has quit IRC [12:22:05] <wdp> Sun Microsystems Inc. SunOS 5.11 snv_86 January 2008 [12:22:11] <boggy`> should i just maybe get osol-0811-rc2.iso and start over? [12:22:20] <boggy`> instead of trying to upgrade from the 08.05 [12:22:32] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris [12:22:51] <xRaich[o]2x> boggy`: i think that would be the cleanest approach [12:23:07] <boggy`> guess thats what im doing [12:23:08] <palowoda> boggy`: If you have no data to backup what have you got to lose. [12:24:02] <palowoda> wdp: If that is the version your running you are trying to upgrade two incompatible systems. [12:24:02] <boggy`> yeah pretty much [12:24:10] <boggy`> only major thing i installed was srss 4 [12:24:42] <wdp> palowoda: thats what it shows if i do a su -. I installed 2008.05 as suggested on the website. [12:24:52] *** artiflo has quit IRC [12:25:11] *** CIA-27 has quit IRC [12:25:42] <palowoda> wdp: Show the url. [12:25:56] <dustman_> ips upgrade from 2008.05 requires several extra steps as noted on opensolaris.org [12:26:17] *** myosound has quit IRC [12:26:28] *** cydork has quit IRC [12:27:10] *** dustman_ is now known as dustman [12:28:24] <wdp> http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ [12:29:09] <wdp> i wanted to start with a stabel system, and at 2008.11 it's written "limited testing... may contain instabilities .. and thus not recommended for inexperienced users" [12:29:22] <wdp> <- inexperienced. i got experience with bsd and linux. but not with solaris. [12:29:31] <palowoda> You know this upgrade bullshit from the older versions opensolaris has got to stop. This isn't going to cut it about the thousand of read before you upgrade notes before hand. [12:29:34] <wdp> so i choosed 2008.05. [12:29:44] *** tsoome has quit IRC [12:30:14] <boggy`> my uname -v says im svn_101b [12:30:16] <boggy`> :/ [12:30:23] <wdp> dustman: can u point me to that notes? [12:30:44] <palowoda> Where not the notes in the release announcement? [12:31:18] <wdp> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/x86/#Update_Inst [12:31:19] <dustman> wdp: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/x86/ [12:31:21] <wdp> this one? [12:31:50] <dustman> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/image-update/ [12:32:06] <palowoda> Why read release notes dated from May 2008? [12:32:28] <dustman> they point to links on upgrades [12:33:07] <palowoda> To the Nov releases hopefully. And that the release notes are corret. [12:33:10] <palowoda> correct. [12:33:57] <dustman> palowoda: I used them to upgrade to 101a from 2008.05 [12:34:02] <palowoda> Shesh upgrades with IPS need something to be desired. [12:34:10] <boggy`> did they patch the telnet yet for that worm thats been going around? [12:34:26] <dustman> true, 101a to 101b didn't work [12:34:27] *** CIA-25 has joined #opensolaris [12:34:45] <palowoda> boggy`: Now I know your on the low end of the gene pool. [12:34:58] *** LeftyBSD has quit IRC [12:35:12] *** LeftyBSD has joined #opensolaris [12:35:17] <boggy`> yeah well i work 2 much [12:35:29] <boggy`> it was only for build 59 right? [12:35:39] <palowoda> Take a vacation. [12:35:47] <dustman> long one :) [12:35:52] <boggy`> haha that would be the day [12:35:56] <boggy`> id give my left nut for 1 right now [12:35:58] <boggy`> :/ [12:36:18] <palowoda> Slave to the man. [12:36:26] <boggy`> indeed sir [12:38:11] <palowoda> When the Y in the road indicates you have a choice of two long jouneys. It means you have two long jouneys. [12:38:13] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris [12:38:42] <boggy`> rite [12:39:09] <palowoda> Take the lazy why out next. Think. [12:39:32] <boggy`> the lazy way doesnt always pay the bills [12:39:34] <boggy`> :/ [12:40:38] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [12:43:40] <palowoda> boggy`: I'm sure the boss is worried about bills and opensolaris upgrades at this point. [12:44:26] <boggy`> no hes just worried if im going to show up and make sure the system are secure when in all reality i dont give 2 shits about those systems only my own. [12:44:26] <boggy`> heh [12:45:00] <boggy`> 12hr shifts and 24/7 call for over a yr straight with no vacation really sucks. [12:45:38] <cast|lir> quit, get a new job. unless you're getting paid squillions, or like that kind of thing. [12:45:45] <boggy`> i worked thanksgiving and im working xmas as well which is really shitty considering i have kids. [12:46:20] <boggy`> 72k yrly + benefits and security clearance [12:46:35] <boggy`> paid vacations that i never get so i dont count them [12:47:22] <palowoda> Same old story the corperations expect the young to work harder to support the old. [12:47:40] <boggy`> ur exactly right [12:47:59] <boggy`> the only reason they hired me to begin with is because im younger and they feel they could really get some use out of me [12:48:26] <palowoda> Just get my stock price up and get over it. :) [12:48:32] <boggy`> it wouldnt be so bad if i could like use some machines and bandwidth to my own advantage but i dont think the government would take that so well [12:48:40] <boggy`> lol [12:50:45] *** digifor has quit IRC [12:50:46] <cast|lir> quit, quit, quity quit, or get some leave. make it one or the other. family > work. imho, at least. [12:51:51] <boggy`> i want 2 but i cant find anything [12:51:58] <boggy`> orlando is shitty for IT jobs [12:52:04] <boggy`> in my field anyway [12:52:17] <boggy`> all tourism here [12:52:53] <palowoda> Are you saying your in the wrong field of work? [12:53:11] <boggy`> nah im just in the wrong city for my field of work [12:53:42] [12:53:46] <boggy`> then 2.5 on the way back [12:53:50] <cast|lir> then change cities [12:53:59] <boggy`> cant, wife is in school down here [12:54:26] <boggy`> gotta wait till she graduates at least. looking into texas afterwards [12:54:27] <palowoda> They got you by the balls. [12:54:43] <boggy`> haha i wish.. my nuts are in a glass jar under the sink [12:54:47] <boggy`> collecting dust [12:54:50] <boggy`> :( [12:55:15] <wdp> sigh [12:55:36] *** CIA-25 has quit IRC [12:55:51] <palowoda> By the time you get to Texas everything will be moved to Indiana. Sometimes I love marketing. [12:56:01] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [12:56:12] <boggy`> yeah most likely [12:56:30] <boggy`> i have a job lined up tho so it wouldnt be 2 bad [12:56:40] <boggy`> little less then what im making now but its half the work [12:56:41] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris [12:57:10] <cast|lir> whats the wife graduate in? [12:57:24] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC [12:57:33] <boggy`> business administration, h.r. management [12:57:40] <boggy`> shes on her 4th and last yr [12:58:11] <cast|lir> i went to a few schools, better if kids dont have to change schools imho, so thats one tick against moving, but wifey could maybe get a job to make up for when you quit ;P [12:58:29] <boggy`> yeah i thought about that [12:58:46] <boggy`> as far as the kids they are 2 and 3 so i dont think another move would matter so much [12:59:23] <cast|lir> ahh. nah, no danger there. when a teenager things are a bit different [12:59:31] <boggy`> yea [12:59:49] <boggy`> those yrs will be here soon im sure [12:59:55] <boggy`> everyone says they grow up quick [13:00:34] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris [13:00:40] <palowoda> Good lord you are still figuring out how to upgrade opensolaris. [13:00:45] *** wdp has quit IRC [13:01:31] * boggy` shrugs [13:04:44] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris [13:04:49] <wdp> ok thanks.. [13:04:52] <wdp> working now. [13:05:59] *** cypromis has quit IRC [13:09:42] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris [13:11:43] <Tobbe> Is there any way to get RandR working with xvnc? [13:14:14] <palowoda> Wouldn't that be an application avaliablity issue? [13:15:16] <Tobbe> I have a persistent vnc session and I want to be able to change the resolution of it depending on whether I connect to it from my laptop or from my desktop [13:16:40] *** art-vandelay has joined #opensolaris [13:17:17] <palowoda> Something like the SunRay where they do it in hardware right? [13:18:01] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [13:18:03] *** vmlemon__ has joined #opensolaris [13:18:15] *** CIA-27 has joined #opensolaris [13:18:43] *** art-vandelay has quit IRC [13:19:25] <tomww> does teh x86 Xorg Server (with the VNC-extension) provide a screen resizing within one session? [13:20:02] *** vmlemon__ is now known as vmlemon_ [13:20:32] <palowoda> vnc can't be that lame can it? [13:21:08] <Tobbe> tomww: that's what I'm asking [13:23:30] *** jteo has quit IRC [13:24:57] <tomww> hm. you could start an Xorg without the grafics hardware except the virtual vnc framebuffer (?) [13:29:22] <palowoda> Hmm what does Xorg probe for with out any video hardware? [13:29:50] <Tobbe> from what I've found on google you need (x)RandR support in xvnc for this to work [13:30:00] *** Tobbe is now known as Tobbe|autoaway [13:34:54] <palowoda> Tobbe: And the autoaway to ask the xvnc website is if they support it. [13:35:27] <palowoda> You have to admit it's an upsteam question. 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My OpenSolaris 05/08 machine suffered a power failure. Now it just reboots straight away after hitting enter on the default grub boot option. None of the snapshots of previous working systems in GRUB work either. Is there anything I can do before I burn a live cd and try to rescue my rpool? [14:07:36] *** proberts_ has joined #opensolaris [14:07:58] <lewq> It reboots within half a second and displays nothing on the screen. 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[15:30:02] *** TheNoxier_ has joined #opensolaris [15:30:37] <wdp> is something like "cpufreq" in opensolaris, like in linux? [15:31:05] *** `132tree has quit IRC [15:31:08] <wdp> and something like sensors, to see how "hot" the box is? [15:31:25] <trygvis> you have psrinfo -v, but I'm not sure if that will change if the cpu frequency is adjusted [15:32:32] <wdp> hm, seems its running at 2ghz all the time, in opensolaris [15:35:40] <PerterB> http://blogs.sun.com/mhaywood/entry/introducing_speedstep_on_solaris [15:35:49] <xRaich[o]2x> kstat 'cpu_info:n::' where n is the core [15:36:37] <xRaich[o]2x> or kstat 'cpu_info:::current_clock_Hz' [15:38:00] <wdp> PerterB, hehe. i'd need it for AMD. [15:38:09] <wdp> in linux it's powernow-k8 [15:39:22] <PerterB> I'm not sure it's supported on amd (not on the one I have to hand anyway) but the point of that article is it explains some of the useful kstat values [15:39:59] <wdp> http://blogs.sun.com/mhaywood/entry/powernow_for_solaris [15:40:03] <wdp> thats looking interesting [15:40:14] *** TheNoxier has quit IRC [15:43:44] <wdp> though not supported on my quiet new cpu [15:45:40] *** hsp_away is now known as hsp [15:46:24] <wdp> btw i've seen that you can add more repositories to the package manager. is there a list somewhere with repositories? 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[17:02:40] <trygvis> scanpci [17:02:43] <trygvis> or prtconf [17:02:48] <wdp> ty [17:05:04] *** Raroko-chan has quit IRC [17:05:29] *** Raroko-chan has joined #opensolaris [17:06:26] <bourgois> how do I get into the wireless configuration tool without waiting for it to automatically pop? [17:08:25] <wdp> trygvis, and how can i see data of devices like dvd, harddisc, etc? [17:08:43] <trygvis> cfgadm for example [17:08:49] <trygvis> depends a bit on what you want to do [17:09:16] <wdp> just wanted to see manufactur and such things [17:09:31] <wdp> got a western digital harddisc, wanna see WDC-something [17:09:31] <trygvis> think cfgadm should be able to show you that [17:09:44] <trygvis> you can probably also see that with format and in the dmesg output [17:10:06] <Auralis> iostat -En [17:10:18] <wdp> Auralis, ty [17:14:21] *** stergios has quit IRC [17:19:46] <techqbert> my pkg image-update fails with /rpool/ROOT/opt cannot be mounted as its not empty. How do I get around this? Revelant forum post: http://cz.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=82252&tstart=0 [17:20:14] <houst0n> techqbert: Make sure /opt is empty? :P [17:20:36] *** libkeise1 has quit IRC [17:20:39] <houst0n> mkdir /opt-old && mv /opt/* /opt-old [17:20:47] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris [17:21:07] <techqbert> houst0n: I knew somebody was going to say that ;D I can't read my zfs list in a meaningful way. As I mention in the forum post, I have so many /opt/-like filesystems [17:21:42] <houst0n> I suppose I'll read the forum post then .... [17:22:18] <bourgois> is there a yum or apt-get equivalent for updating opensolaris? [17:22:26] <houst0n> : failed to mount dataset rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-11/opt at /tmp/.be.oVa4Lc/opt: directory is not empty [17:22:33] <hrist_> which one? sxce or 2008.xx? [17:22:38] <houst0n> Can you remove this? [17:22:39] <bourgois> 2008.xx [17:22:51] <houst0n> Destroy the be, unmount the clone and remove the mountpoint? [17:22:52] <hrist_> pkg refresh and after that pkg image-update? [17:22:53] <houst0n> then try again? [17:23:38] <bourgois> Thank you hrist [17:24:01] <techqbert> houst0n: cd: rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-11/: No such file or directory. Hrm I need some baby steps. Which BE? [17:24:05] *** [1]kimc has joined #opensolaris [17:24:35] <houst0n> Errmm. Well the problem is (i think) that you're trying to mount opt when the /opt directory in your root fs is not empty [17:24:59] <houst0n> when you update opensolaris it creates a new boot enviro (see beadm list) [17:25:21] <houst0n> so, unmount /opt, remove all the files from it [17:25:27] <houst0n> delete the be [17:25:40] <houst0n> then try again [17:26:10] <houst0n> Investigate the beadm, zfs list -t snapshot and rm commands =) [17:28:09] <techqbert> houst0n: thanks for the time. I don't know how to unmount /opt. furthermore, i don't know how to remove files from an unmounted device. which be would I then delete? [17:29:20] *** bourgois has quit IRC [17:31:28] <techqbert> zfs umount /opt/? [17:31:43] *** Raroko-chan has quit IRC [17:38:22] *** paulx has quit IRC [17:46:45] <wdp> hm [17:46:48] <wdp> is there flash [17:46:49] <wdp> for firefox [17:46:50] *** oxygene has joined #opensolaris [17:46:52] <wdp> in opensolaris? [17:47:21] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris [17:48:50] <techqbert> wdp: download the bz2 off adobe's site and then move the two files to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ [17:49:13] *** SpyKee has joined #opensolaris [17:49:13] <wdp> k [17:49:23] <_setuid_H> Evening all [17:50:00] *** erast has joined #opensolaris [17:50:42] *** kimc has quit IRC [17:50:43] *** [1]kimc is now known as kimc [17:52:35] <wdp> techqbert, ty works [17:53:13] <wdp> somehow i like opensolaris more than linux, though some tools are a bit strange [17:56:11] *** niq has joined #opensolaris [17:56:46] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris [17:58:27] *** netj has quit IRC [17:59:45] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [18:00:01] *** TheNoxier has quit IRC [18:02:49] *** sladegen has quit IRC [18:03:47] *** The-spiki has quit IRC [18:10:55] *** sladegen has joined #opensolaris [18:11:18] *** skylance has quit IRC [18:17:57] *** skylance has joined #opensolaris [18:17:58] *** clyons has quit IRC [18:18:08] <jbit> opensolaris is much more consistent at least [18:18:17] *** clyons has joined #opensolaris [18:21:37] *** cydork has quit IRC [18:21:52] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [18:25:16] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris [18:27:59] <fraggeln> what version of opensolaris do you guys recomend for a "lamp" solution? [18:28:07] <fraggeln> samp maybe in this case :) [18:29:10] <Auralis> for productuon i would stay with regular solaris 10 [18:30:03] *** stergios has joined #opensolaris [18:30:18] <stergios> does anybody run conky on their opensolaris box ? [18:33:52] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris [18:35:09] <zimmermanc> for production i would stay with aix/websphere fraggeln [18:35:15] * zimmermanc runs and hides :) [18:35:31] <fraggeln> zimmermanc: :) not novel netware? :D [18:35:56] <stergios> does anyone run conky on their opensolaris box ? [18:42:14] <trochej> Not me [18:42:17] <trochej> what's conky? [18:42:28] <trochej> zimmermanc: AIX has a problrm [18:42:32] <norman> conky - A system monitor for X originally based on the torsmo code, but [18:42:35] <norman> more kickass. It just keeps on given'er. Yeah. [18:42:43] <trochej> zimmermanc: It's offtopic in this chanel [18:44:33] <stergios> i ran it fine in ubuntu [18:44:40] <stergios> i cant get it to run in opensolaris [18:48:19] *** SpyKee has quit IRC [18:48:50] <techqbert> Auralis: I read your posts on the forums at opensolaris.org. I'm having the same trouble with an occupied /opt/ ( http://cz.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=82252&tstart=0 ) If you have time, could you please walk me through the image-update? [18:50:01] <Auralis> techqbert: all i did was create a new directory, lets say /opt2 move the contents of /opt into it, then destoryed the zfs filesystem for /opt and renamed /opt2 to /opt [18:54:43] *** tomww has quit IRC [18:55:46] <techqbert> Auralis: I see. In my zfs list, I find that I have lots of file systems with /opt [18:55:59] *** jfndi has quit IRC [18:57:38] *** niq has quit IRC [19:03:37] *** tomww has joined #opensolaris [19:05:12] *** TheNoxier has joined #opensolaris [19:05:48] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC [19:08:18] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [19:10:01] *** chrisr has quit IRC [19:15:32] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris [19:19:29] *** cmihai has quit IRC [19:26:29] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [19:28:59] *** Auralis has quit IRC [19:29:25] *** Auralis has joined #opensolaris [19:33:11] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [19:33:38] *** e1kg has quit IRC [19:40:28] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris [19:40:59] *** stergios has left #opensolaris [19:42:49] *** hrist_ is now known as hrist [19:49:37] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris [19:56:16] *** vertigo- has joined #opensolaris [19:56:30] *** vertigo- is now known as vertigo [20:02:36] *** Fish- has joined #opensolaris [20:04:28] *** TheNoxier_ has joined #opensolaris [20:06:18] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [20:06:21] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [20:07:41] *** anilg has quit IRC [20:09:52] <codestr0m> anyone able to recommend some good japanese fonts for osol? [20:09:56] *** TheNoxier has quit IRC [20:11:39] * vmlemon_ likes Kochi Gothic, but notes that it probably doesn't ship with OpenSolaris [20:13:26] <codestr0m> jiskan seems to be what will be included in future releases, but I will not/don't dare to update right now [20:13:50] <wdp> first i need to get a japanese girlfriend, then i can think about japanese fonts :p [20:14:19] *** LordIllpalazoThe has joined #opensolaris [20:16:04] <codestr0m> vmlemon_: can you take a look at http://www.google.com/search?q=%8Bv%97%E9 [20:16:22] <codestr0m> and see if it displays correctly for you in jp encoding [20:17:01] <vmlemon_> codestr0m: Sure [20:17:20] <vmlemon_> It's mojibake :| [20:17:22] *** Fish has quit IRC [20:17:42] <vmlemon_> (Not sure what encoding you were using at the time you created the search) [20:17:44] <codestr0m> vmlemon_: I've no idea what that is [20:18:04] <vmlemon_> It's garbled, in other words [20:18:13] <codestr0m> I didn't create the search. someone sent this so I could see the characters [20:18:19] <vmlemon_> Aah [20:18:39] <codestr0m> vmlemon_: you speak jp? [20:18:48] <codestr0m> maybe you can help me find the character if you have a minute [20:18:58] <vmlemon_> Not much of it, although I might be able to fix the encoding [20:19:19] <codestr0m> I'm much more familiar with chinese.. it's Ku-rei [20:19:32] <codestr0m> I don't know if they have a pinyin for jp [20:20:03] <pumpkin-> kotoeri is a common IME [20:20:06] <pumpkin-> on macs at least [20:20:08] <codestr0m> (my guess is it's garbled cause of missing fonts) [20:20:18] <codestr0m> I'll see what input methods I have [20:20:23] *** amadeus has joined #opensolaris [20:20:40] <pumpkin-> codestr0m: it's really easy to use, if you have it (but I'm not sure it's available on opensolaris) [20:21:33] <vmlemon_> Grr, damn Firefox decided to silently die on me [20:21:58] <codestr0m> it acts sorta like pinyin, but I still don't know the original characters :P [20:22:12] <vmlemon_> Hiragana/Katakana? [20:22:20] <wdp> hm [20:22:24] <codestr0m> kanji [20:22:50] <vmlemon_> ??? maybe? [20:23:17] <wdp> create -t SUNWlx26 [20:23:25] <wdp> bash: create: command not found [20:23:28] <vmlemon_> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%E6%960%E48%80%E9%83%8E&btnG=Search might be of use [20:23:30] <wdp> in which package is it? [20:23:40] <codestr0m> vmlemon_: I'll pm you if it's ok? [20:23:52] <Auralis> wdp: you are in the wrong context, create is a sub command of zonexfg [20:24:03] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [20:24:05] <wdp> ah. [20:24:05] <Auralis> zonecfg [20:24:08] <wdp> ye. [20:24:09] <wdp> sry. [20:24:28] *** san has joined #opensolaris [20:33:33] <fraggeln> is it possible to run a debian-installaton inside a zone? [20:34:45] *** erast has quit IRC [20:41:42] <kimc> got a b103 dvd in the oven.. [20:42:29] <fraggeln> kimc: how many degrees and for how log? :) [20:42:49] <kimc> doing some Opensolaris CIFS evaluation today [20:43:07] <kimc> 212 for 3 minutes :) [20:43:40] <kimc> ImgBurn is good [20:43:42] <fraggeln> I usaly cook in the microwave, alot faster and alot more fun with cd/dvd's :D [20:43:48] <kimc> yeh [20:44:16] *** Boots has joined #opensolaris [20:44:19] <Auralis> fraggeln: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=82024&tstart=0 [20:45:09] <wdp> fraggeln, dunno i try to use another distribution atm [20:45:30] <Boots> would it be possible to install opensolaris on a usb harddrive without removing the harddrive in my laptop? [20:45:34] <kimc> have 2x Seagate 1TB drives from Microcenter on the Black Friday deal [20:46:45] <kimc> Boots: should not be a problem [20:47:26] *** jurikm has joined #opensolaris [20:48:52] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris [20:54:14] *** Boots has quit IRC [20:56:22] <fraggeln> Auralis: thanks. [21:02:17] *** TheNoxier_ has quit IRC [21:04:15] *** tCzern has joined #opensolaris [21:04:19] <tCzern> hello [21:06:01] <kimc> hellooo [21:06:48] *** pumpkin- has quit IRC [21:07:14] <jamesd> hi y'all (got to make the texan feel welcome) [21:07:28] <kimc> b103 install in progress.. lets see if the installer calculated the dis layout correctly [21:08:25] <kimc> yep.. good its installing SUNWcsr.. [21:08:47] <tCzern> how can I share files with windows and osx ? [21:09:04] <tCzern> are there drivers which read different filesystems? [21:09:20] <jamesd> nfs or cifs/samba [21:09:39] <kimc> hi jamesd [21:09:57] <tCzern> hm, no, I want to use a disk with audio sampler on different systems, plug it in and yeaahaaww [21:09:58] <jamesd> hi [21:10:16] <tCzern> not really over a network. more like in a dualboot system [21:10:22] <jamesd> tCzern, there should be msdos/fat disk drivers in both [21:10:35] <tCzern> ok [21:12:00] <tCzern> thanks [21:12:02] <kleppari> the solaris' driver is called pcfs [21:12:22] <tCzern> can OSX read solaris file system? [21:12:39] <kimc> it'll be interesting to see how Opensolaris running CIFS compares to Windows Server 2003 R2 [21:13:16] <kimc> should have that comparison setup in another couple of hours [21:13:48] <kleppari> in my experience samba on linux has outperformed win 2003 r2 [21:14:03] <tCzern> the 11 2008 finale release is still not available? [21:14:05] <jamesd> tCzern, ask google... but there was a rumor that osx at least the latest version had ZFS support [21:14:14] <tCzern> ok [21:14:40] <tCzern> I will need to find out anyway if I could use opensolaris for multimedia applications [21:15:47] <kimc> kleppari: thats pretty impressive.. so it will be interesting to see if Sun CIFS can do the same [21:17:17] *** Rarok has left #opensolaris [21:17:24] <tCzern> oh, another question. Does the installer create a GrubLoader for me? I was playing with the LIVEcd so far only, because it wouldn't install for some reason on my hard disk ... [21:17:43] <Auralis> yes [21:18:00] <kimc> this will be sort of fair comparison.. the win 2003 R2 is 64-bit flavor with an Intel dual-core processor as is the Opensolaris machine [21:18:15] <wdp> i got a little bug with opensolaris at boot time. i think it's related to my notebook. i had the same issue with some recent linux 2.6 kernel. Whom should i write about it? ;) [21:18:32] <jamesd> wdp, bugs.opensolaris.org [21:18:38] <wdp> ty [21:18:56] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [21:22:15] <kimc> b103 43% installed.. [21:23:09] <kimc> SUNWstaroffice.. :) [21:28:10] <kleppari> kimc: I think it's due to the filesystems [21:28:16] <kleppari> without having performed extensive testing [21:29:06] *** niner has joined #opensolaris [21:29:08] <kleppari> kimc: remember to test large directory trees with lots of small files :) [21:32:24] *** bigjocker has quit IRC [21:33:51] <kimc> ok very good.. looks like i can start with CIFS here: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-2429/configuringoperationmodetm?a=view [21:35:00] <kimc> i don't have domain controller at the moment [21:36:04] <kleppari> just run dcpromo on the windows box, then you do :P [21:36:29] <kimc> ok thanks [21:36:57] <kimc> just run: svcadm enable -r smb/server [21:37:34] <kimc> ah here it is: configuring in workgroup mode [21:39:10] <ninjaslim> the compiz that's included with opensolaris, is it compiz or compiz-fusion [21:39:14] *** derchris has quit IRC [21:39:18] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [21:39:30] *** niner has quit IRC [21:40:02] <kimc> i need some windows disk performance measurement method [21:40:21] <kimc> wonder what that would be.. [21:42:09] <techqbert> Auralis: What do I do if I have many file systems with /opt/? Delete them all? Do you have time to talk me through this? 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[22:07:57] <codestr0m> I dunno.. I don't use a mac, but I'm pretty font and appearance/usability sensitive [22:08:34] <ninjaslim> i use Mac OS X on my macbook pro, FreeBSD with Xfce on my desktop, OpenSolaris for testing and such [22:08:37] *** mega_ has joined #opensolaris [22:09:15] <ninjaslim> i'm pretty sensitive with appearance and usability, which is one reason i actually migrated from Linux to FreeBSD and Unix in general cause i found Linux to be entirely unusable due to maintenance issues and such [22:09:28] <ninjaslim> FreeBSD and Mac OS X have been self-maintaining for me [22:09:42] <ninjaslim> but yeah as far as interface goes, gnome is a hell of a lot more usable than the abomination called KDE 4 [22:10:08] <wdp> ninjaslim, wrong linux distribution then, tbh. [22:10:16] <codestr0m> well. any project fbsd or L*nix based can have good/bad QA.. outside the core when you get into the desktop it's kinda all the same game more or less [22:10:17] * kim0 hugs kde4 [22:10:38] <ninjaslim> well desktop yeah but i mean updating and stuff like that [22:10:43] <wdp> i came to opensolaris mainly cuz of interest into zfs and because i wanna get experience with some other operating systems. [22:10:44] * codestr0m squeezes kde4's unmentionables [22:10:52] *** skylance has quit IRC [22:11:08] <ninjaslim> i've used Gentoo, Yoper, Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, RHEL, Mandriva, Arch, Slackware and a few others [22:11:18] <ninjaslim> out of those Fedora, RHEL, and Debian are great systems that i'd use [22:11:32] <wdp> Fedora RHEL and SuSE should be fine for your needs. [22:11:35] * techqbert seconds the GNOME interface over KDE [22:11:40] <codestr0m> ninjaslim: btw.. you're liable to wake linux haters/trolls if you talk about linux stuff here too much [22:11:57] <ninjaslim> yeah that's what happens in ##freebsd as well [22:12:08] <ninjaslim> wdp: but FreeBSD suits them even better :) [22:12:15] <wdp> indeed [22:12:36] <ninjaslim> but anyway, i didn't like 2008.05 very much, but 2008.11 is seemingly polished so far [22:13:18] <kim0> since userspace is turning to become mostly the same thing on all OSs (gnu + gnome/kde) .. I guess the real difference will be kernel based [22:13:21] <wdp> dunno using opensolaris now just since two days. from what i've seen i like it very much [22:13:45] <hrist> kim0: :( I somehow liked CDE [22:14:03] <kim0> welcome to the 21st century ;) [22:14:07] <codestr0m> hrist: for a no thrills admin I could see why, but not as a desktop :) [22:14:10] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [22:14:32] <hrist> :> [22:14:37] *** PicCard has quit IRC [22:14:39] <ninjaslim> kim0: BSDs are still holding out on the gnu bit at least [22:15:02] <wdp> kim0, well kde/gnome should be optional. i use xfce everywhere. i dislike kde and gnome. Anyway. i think not just the kernel is different. some base tools/utilities and the way how things are stored is different too. [22:15:10] <ninjaslim> wdp: yes one more xfce user! [22:15:17] <hrist> noooo [22:15:18] <wdp> i'm still wondering about /export/home/chani instead of /home/chani anyway [22:15:21] <ninjaslim> between Unixes it's not just a kernel difference [22:15:28] <Auralis> xfce ftw [22:15:35] <hrist> more like ftl [22:15:42] <kim0> kernel + services + management + updates + backup ... [22:15:48] <kim0> all these can make a difference [22:15:57] <ninjaslim> hierarchy is different, the libraries are different, GNU is more userland stuff, apart from that other Unixes haven't really adopted elements of the actually "GNU Operating System" [22:16:13] <ninjaslim> i guess what's becoming more GNU standardized is the command line [22:16:19] <ninjaslim> otherwise the internals are still different [22:16:27] <techqbert> I have fluxbox on all my machines. gentoo, ubuntu, freebsd, and osol. [22:16:30] <wdp> i heard gnu/hurd will be ready within the next 100 years [22:16:31] <wdp> :p [22:16:49] <ninjaslim> dang it i could rag on linux then as well [22:16:50] <kim0> plan9 will be ready first [22:16:52] <ninjaslim> but oh well [22:17:11] <techqbert> plan9 is trippy. what a weird beast. [22:17:29] <wdp> let's be serious. we're all waiting for reactos [22:17:31] <wdp> *hides* [22:17:58] <Auralis> nah, Aros [22:17:58] <techqbert> or skyos.. back to commercial proprietary unix days. [22:18:03] *** mega has quit IRC [22:18:08] <hrist> Haiku! [22:18:13] *** ibseo has joined #opensolaris [22:18:19] *** jurikm has left #opensolaris [22:18:26] <kim0> Android [22:18:29] <codestr0m> OSUNIX [22:18:32] <codestr0m> *cough* [22:18:37] * codestr0m *hides* [22:18:45] <kim0> I'm really waiting for Android to become a mainstream OS [22:18:49] <kim0> and I think it will .. soon [22:18:50] <hrist> *shouts* there he is! [22:19:06] <codestr0m> hrist: it's our secret for now [22:19:20] <hrist> sure? I jst shouted it out to the mob [22:19:49] <kim0> If only MS-Windows market share would go behind 75% .. I'd be happy with any kind of competition :) [22:20:02] <wdp> indeed [22:20:33] <oxygene> kim0: really? 75% windows, 24% mac wouldn't sound very attractive. [22:20:48] <kim0> mm .. yeah that wouldnt [22:20:49] <kim0> :) [22:21:03] <kim0> mac is just as closed [22:21:36] * techqbert is wondering when ZFS will land in non-server Mac OS X. [22:21:40] *** Teo`` has joined #opensolaris [22:21:52] <oxygene> techqbert: when they found a way to lock it down [22:22:33] <wdp> btw someone using something else than linux/solaris within zones? (brandz) [22:25:01] <codestr0m> wdp: umm... you mean like a mac brand? [22:25:11] <wdp> codestr0m, indeed. [22:25:34] <oxygene> erm, what for? [22:26:01] <codestr0m> umm. well. I should correct myself. it would have to be darwin and frankly that would probably be useless.. maybe a win zone.. and not that I'm aware of [22:26:55] <wdp> don't have any use for it. was just interested in whether someone is using other brands like reactos/ the dead opendarwin, or something similar. [22:27:29] <oxygene> I think windows would be too different to be a suitable brandz-target [22:27:42] <wdp> not sure whether thats possible at all. from what i've read only sol/linux are possible. [22:28:02] <wdp> oxygene, windows itself, probably. but maybe reactos would work. though reactos isn't very .. usable atm. [22:28:09] <oxygene> reactos is the same design [22:28:25] <wdp> yeah, but it's easier to gather information probably. [22:28:46] <oxygene> sure, but you'd basically have to put the entire reactos kernel into the brand to make this work [22:29:12] *** wesw has joined #opensolaris [22:29:23] <oxygene> for linux, most of the syscalls should map onto solaris syscalls, with minor tweaks (different syscall mechanism, different syscall number, somewhat different enumeration of the arguments) [22:29:36] <wdp> ic [22:29:42] <nachox> what's the problem with /export/home vs /home wdp ? [22:29:47] <oxygene> once you put reactos in that place, you effectively reinvented xen ;) [22:29:55] <wdp> yeah, got that. [22:30:14] <oxygene> so a reactos-on-xen project might be more interesting (and would gather more mindshare, and helping hands) [22:30:19] <wdp> nachox, there's no problem. i'm just wondering about the paths. I'm new to opensolaris, so i don't know :) [22:30:25] <nachox> oxygene, part of what the branded zones do is exactly that [22:30:37] <oxygene> nachox: I know [22:31:49] <oxygene> wdp: as far as I know, the /export stuff is used because for solaris, it's quite usual to have home on NFS. the server has it on /export/home/*, so clients (incl. the server itself) can mount it onto /home [22:32:02] <nachox> wdp, solaris unlike linux was meant for a networked environment where people have access to many machines, from that pov it is reasonable to expect to have access to your home directory from every machine [22:32:14] <wdp> ah. [22:32:19] <wdp> ty. that explains it [22:32:20] <oxygene> wdp: edit /etc/auto_home to contain the line "* -fstype=lofs :/export/home/&", then do "svcadm restart autofs" [22:32:29] <wdp> nah. thats okay the way it is [22:32:31] <wdp> :) [22:32:33] <nachox> wdp, the automounter does cool things with nfs to do that [22:32:40] <oxygene> wdp: after that, the machine's automounter looks up /home/foo at /export/home/foo [22:33:21] *** wesw has quit IRC [22:34:25] <ninjaslim> somebody mentioned before that linux is the technological equivalent of the proprietary unixes from the '80s, that it's no better [22:35:26] *** Teo` has quit IRC [22:36:45] <oxygene> ninjaslim: depends on the aspects you look at. some of the things just can't be compared (eg. memory management - 64gb ram in the 80s?) [22:36:53] <kimc> awright b103 up and running :) [22:37:19] <ninjaslim> oxygene: right, but the dude was saying with respect to many things, kernel design and such [22:37:58] <oxygene> ninjaslim: kernel design. hmm.. solaris hardly left the 80s in that regard. and I guess some people would say that's a good thing ;) [22:39:23] <tomww> yes it is :-) [22:39:59] <ninjaslim> i'm looking for the actual quote [22:40:50] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC [22:41:00] <ninjaslim> dang it [22:41:22] <ninjaslim> oxygene: do you know what other elements from the 80s could possibly result in linux being looked at as a poor operating system [22:41:27] <vmlemon_> The Solaris kernel *is* the kitchen sink ;) [22:41:46] <wdp> ninjaslim, that would result in a flamewar [22:41:55] <wdp> :> [22:41:56] <vmlemon_> Or at least the codebase itself is ;) [22:42:37] <wdp> every os is nice in it's own way.. some more.. some less. for example: i'm missing bluescreens since 10 years. [22:42:42] <wdp> i always liked them. [22:42:45] <oxygene> ninjaslim: the issue with linux is that it dropped most of the good things of the 80s just to do (some of ) the cool things of the 90s (that weren't so cool in retrospect) [22:43:09] <vmlemon_> Heh, you could wait for a blue screen kernel module ;) [22:43:17] <oxygene> you could just write one ;) [22:43:26] <wdp> :p [22:43:29] <ninjaslim> oxygene: i see, now did BSD do the same [22:43:33] <hrist> hm that would be an interesting thing to do :) [22:43:34] *** proberts has quit IRC [22:43:39] <vmlemon_> mkbluescn? [22:43:43] <tomww> write a bluescreen module and never recompile this or the kernel in case of an upgrade. [22:43:46] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris [22:43:48] <vmlemon_> *mkbluescrn [22:43:58] <oxygene> tomww: :) [22:43:58] <wdp> lol [22:44:33] <vmlemon_> There's always the Classic Mac OS Bomb [22:44:42] <wdp> Let's write a patch for it.. users can be asked at installation time "want windows style blue screen or useful error messages?" [22:45:17] <oxygene> oh, the blue screens are very useful [22:45:47] <vmlemon_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Macosbomb.png ;) [22:45:50] <tomww> davetong wrote on twitter about "recompiling a kernel - what time is this" [22:45:55] <oxygene> unfortunately, since XP they default to instant-reboot (to de-confuse the office workers who were greeted by a bluescreen on monday morning. instead, they get a clean desktop and probably forgot they had that unsaved word document open) [22:46:01] <vmlemon_> Hah [22:46:49] * vmlemon_ wonders where the IP-over-Twitter pseudo-driver is ;) [22:48:47] *** hrist has quit IRC [22:49:03] *** hrist has joined #opensolaris [22:49:25] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris [22:49:27] <wdp> the last time i saw a bluescreen was ago one year. And i'm curious about it since then. [22:49:27] <wdp> because, it seems here in germany they use windows nt or something windows based in the bank computers. [22:49:27] *** wdp has quit IRC [22:49:46] <wdp_> <wdp> where you get money out i mean.. [22:49:48] <wdp_> <wdp> horrible. [22:49:50] <wdp_> <wdp> i expected.. something else. [22:49:54] <wdp_> strange network here :> [22:49:56] <oxygene> some of them still use os/2 [22:50:11] *** wdp_ is now known as wdp [22:50:37] <wdp> oxygene, oh. du kommst ja auch von hier :) [22:52:08] <oxygene> wdp: and a couple more people.. see #opensolaris-de (even though it's somewhat quiet at the moment) [22:52:44] *** hrist has quit IRC [22:52:59] *** hrist has joined #opensolaris [22:55:31] <codestr0m> anyone have virtual box working in a kernel around snv_96 or know what's required? [22:55:52] *** amadeus has left #opensolaris [22:55:52] <Auralis> does 101rc2 count or to new? [22:56:01] <codestr0m> I've loaded the drivers, but getting some error about modules may not be loaded [22:56:14] <codestr0m> Auralis: if you can confirm it's working I may toss this on hw to get it rolling [22:56:35] <Auralis> its working fine here, did you installed the kernel pkg first? [22:56:43] <codestr0m> I think 2nd [22:56:51] <codestr0m> I'll remove and try again [22:57:00] <Auralis> it goes in first, then the finish script of vb does not fails [22:59:51] <ninjaslim> is there any support for radeon cards on opensolaris with 3d [23:00:56] <codestr0m> ok. just checked the svc logs.. VirtualBox Host kernel module device link missing... [23:01:04] <oxygene> "radeon" covers 12 years of hardware development. I fear you have to be more specific [23:01:34] *** hsp has quit IRC [23:02:00] <codestr0m> Auralis: can you stat /dev/vboxdrv [23:02:13] <Auralis> yes [23:02:36] *** proberts_ has joined #opensolaris [23:03:18] <codestr0m> what I mean is can you paste the output of stat /dev/vboxdrv [23:03:32] <codestr0m> just the link line [23:03:40] <Auralis> File: `/dev/vboxdrv' -> `../devices/pseudo/vboxdrv@0:vboxdrv' [23:03:46] <codestr0m> thanks [23:03:48] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [23:04:59] <codestr0m> Auralis: thanks. may work now [23:05:07] <Auralis> np [23:05:09] * codestr0m will blog/note such trivial things [23:05:15] <wdp> hm [23:05:18] <wdp> can someone gimme the command [23:05:23] <wdp> to uninstall a zone [23:05:23] <wdp> ? [23:05:36] <Auralis> zoneadm -z ZONE halt [23:05:37] <codestr0m> wdp: I'll do better.. I'll find the man page for you [23:05:39] <Auralis> zoneadm -z ZONE uninstall [23:06:02] <codestr0m> wdp: careful. if you have data and weren't using datasets.. that could very well delete something unexpected :) [23:06:12] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [23:06:35] <wdp> codestr0m, install of zone failed.. tried to install with another image and it says: [23:06:39] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [23:06:43] <wdp> zoneadm: zone 'LunarLinux': zone is incomplete; uninstall required. [23:06:54] <wdp> so.. there's nothing important in [23:06:55] <wdp> :> [23:07:00] <codestr0m> wdp: ok. just saying [23:10:01] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [23:10:47] <codestr0m> Auralis: I've given the vbox only 1G and booting off the osol-0811-rc2-global.iso iso.. is it just me or is it *slow* [23:11:15] <Auralis> its slow, it getts better once the guesst additions are installed [23:12:12] <codestr0m> hmm. I'll have to poke around for the guest additions [23:12:23] <oxygene> codestr0m: somewhere in the menus of vbox [23:12:27] <Auralis> its in the menu somewhere [23:12:32] <codestr0m> stupid question and I should probably ask in the vbox channel, but would those be the same for linux and solaris based hosts? [23:12:38] <oxygene> no [23:12:41] <Auralis> then inside the vm go to the cdrom folder [23:12:44] <oxygene> they're binaries for the target system [23:12:56] <oxygene> but the CD contains additions for windows, linux, os/2 and solaris, iirc [23:14:10] <codestr0m> oxygene: ok. I'll be packaging osunix in a vbox image which I'm sure will be used on linux/osol. and wasn't sure if I could just include the drivers to make that faster by default [23:14:31] *** perlmongo has quit IRC [23:14:47] <hrist> *cough* paravirtualized Xen-domain plz :) [23:14:52] <wdp> from archive '/export/home/chani/lunar.tar.bz2' [23:14:52] <wdp> gtar: var/log/messages: time stamp 2008-11-29 23:17:40 is 175.73875992 s in the future [23:14:52] <wdp> gtar: var/log/kernel: time stamp 2008-11-29 23:17:40 is 175.625225199 s in the future [23:14:52] <wdp> Tar install failed for zone "LunarLinux" Sat Nov 29 23:16:04 CET 2008. [23:15:02] <codestr0m> hrist: one thing at a time. when it's more production ready [23:15:03] <wdp> Does it fail because of the time stamps or because of something else? [23:15:27] <codestr0m> wdp: you can get around things with touch /your/path/* [23:15:35] <codestr0m> that should adjust the timestamps [23:15:43] <oxygene> codestr0m: it only depends on the target, not on the host [23:15:44] <wdp> yeah but is it failing cuz of that? [23:16:12] <codestr0m> wdp: it's been a while.. I blogged about this a *long* time ago and now just use my own brands :P [23:16:26] <wdp> codestr0m, gimme the link again pls [23:16:26] <wdp> :p [23:16:43] <wdp> i'm in solaris.. your blog is bookmarked in my linux system [23:17:14] <codestr0m> wdp: google linux26 brand opensolaris [23:17:35] <codestr0m> or there's a lot of resources possibly better than that [23:17:37] *** proberts has quit IRC [23:23:29] *** jacobs1 has joined #opensolaris [23:24:45] *** _teo_ has joined #opensolaris [23:24:51] * codestr0m clicked on package manager and regrets it [23:25:00] <wdp> btw [23:25:04] <wdp> are there some tools for solaris [23:25:09] <wdp> to make a video from the desktop [23:25:10] <wdp> ? [23:25:11] <wdp> :> [23:25:21] <quasi> yes [23:25:33] <Auralis> vnc2swf ? [23:25:46] <codestr0m> wdp: I think so.. and that would be a good idea once some of my projects are less experimental :) [23:25:48] <quasi> http://blogs.sun.com/angad/entry/screencasting_on_solaris [23:25:48] <wdp> swf sounds.. no mpeg/avi? [23:25:49] <wdp> :> [23:26:03] <wdp> anyway, k ty [23:26:04] <quasi> http://code.google.com/p/recordmysolaris [23:30:56] *** jacobs has quit IRC [23:31:12] *** mega_ has quit IRC [23:34:28] *** Fish- has quit IRC [23:35:18] *** Teknix has joined #opensolaris [23:36:25] <plavcik> I need to set FQDN manually, can /etc/nodename hold FQDN or only name and domain shall be somewhere else? [23:37:20] <RElling> FQDN is set in DNS, perhaps you mean something else? [23:37:49] <plavcik> I meen machine.domain.com [23:38:06] <RElling> right, that is set in DNS. [23:38:29] <hrist> plavcik: echo "<your machines ip> machine.domain.com machine" >> /etc/hosts [23:38:33] *** Teo`` has quit IRC [23:38:51] <hrist> but if you want other machines to be able to use machine.domain.com you should do that with a dns-server [23:39:00] *** jimerickson has joined #opensolaris [23:39:20] <plavcik> ok, I don't have DNS for my internal network yet [23:39:36] *** kimc has quit IRC [23:39:40] <plavcik> with record in /etc/hosts, the nodename is not needed? [23:39:47] <hrist> then you have to enter that into every /etc/hosts on the machines [23:39:55] <hrist> dunno [23:40:20] <plavcik> thank you [23:40:22] <hrist> I have it in /etc/hosts /etc/hostname.nicname and /etc/nodename [23:41:01] <plavcik> which man page belong to hostname.nicname? [23:41:17] <RElling> hosts just contains IP address to name mappings, but many machines today have more than one IP address [23:41:54] <jbk> if anything, put the fqdn as an alias in /etc/hosts for the corresponding ip address [23:42:49] <RElling> at boot, /etc/ is searched for hostname.{nicname} and the contents are fed to ifconfig [23:43:23] <RElling> the only reason you might need a FQDN there is if you don't use files (/etc/hosts) for name mapping [23:44:02] <RElling> confused yet? :-) A host by any other name would smell as sweet. [23:44:09] *** WalkingAsterisk has joined #opensolaris [23:45:36] *** Teo`` has joined #opensolaris [23:47:10] *** Teo`` has quit IRC [23:49:07] <plavcik> I think I get it, but to be sure I will set it at morning, it's end of day in 10 minutes, thank you for all answers, good night or day [23:49:24] *** hohum has joined #OpenSolaris [23:50:40] *** _teo_ has quit IRC [23:52:15] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [23:54:55] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [23:55:46] *** tCzern has quit IRC