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[00:01:13] <NuMaStresa> hi, I installed opensolaris from the livecd in virtualbox, any ideas how can I boot directly to the console ?
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[00:03:21] <domas> you don't want graphic login?
[00:03:29] <domas> 'svcadm disable gdm'
[00:04:38] <NuMaStresa> and it will be in text mode ?
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[00:04:46] <domas> yes
[00:05:07] <NuMaStresa> I also installed the additional packages for better integration, will the console be fullscreen ?
[00:05:10] <domas> (i'm not solaris/opensolaris guy, so there may be better ways to do it)
[00:05:19] <NuMaStresa> It's not fullscreen when It boots, that's why I'm asking
[00:05:20] <domas> I usually ssh into virtual machines
[00:05:29] <domas> I don't care about fullscreen :)
[00:05:30] <NuMaStresa> ok, thanks for the tips
[00:05:37] <NuMaStresa> :))
[00:05:40] <domas> you're welcome!
[00:05:45] <domas> my high commander sez I'd promote opensolaris
[00:06:44] <NuMaStresa> maybe ssh is not such a bad ideea after all
[00:06:50] <domas> it is not
[00:06:55] <domas> easier to copypaste between stuff
[00:07:12] <domas> do you use virtualbox rdp functionality :)
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[00:07:28] <NuMaStresa> :))
[00:07:34] <domas> ?
[00:07:36] <NuMaStresa> just how I expected, it's not full screen
[00:07:39] <domas> it had to have questionmark
[00:07:39] * NuMaStresa f uck
[00:07:43] <domas> why do you care
[00:07:47] <domas> ssh is teh win
[00:07:53] <NuMaStresa> 'svcadm enable gdm' ?
[00:07:54] <domas> probably there's some secret hidden way to make it fullscreen
[00:08:00] <domas> 'svcadm disable gdm' disables graphic login
[00:08:16] <NuMaStresa> and enable will enable them back ?
[00:08:16] <NuMaStresa> :))
[00:08:23] <domas> omg, you're genius!
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[00:08:30] <NuMaStresa> :))
[00:08:44] <domas> btw, another good trick
[00:08:47] <domas> alias sudo=pfexec
[00:08:48] <domas> ;-)
[00:09:00] <NuMaStresa> lol
[00:09:34] <NuMaStresa> O
[00:09:38] <domas> though I prefer logging in as root :)
[00:09:47] <NuMaStresa> I always log in as root
[00:09:51] <domas> good!
[00:10:20] <NuMaStresa> used to, I installed recently (2 days ago) windows vista (kill me) after 3 years of (only) linux
[00:10:36] <domas> now you're switching to opensolaris?! :)
[00:10:52] * domas is pure mac at desktop for past 3 years
[00:10:53] <NuMaStresa> no, I'm only testing it ...
[00:11:04] <NuMaStresa> I don't have the money to buy a mac ...
[00:11:21] <domas> NuMaStresa: unfortunately good stuff in opensolaris is visible only once you dig into it a lot and then a bit more.
[00:11:35] <NuMaStresa> it's pretty cool I guess, all the windows/freebsd and linux programs you need + the ones that the system has
[00:12:10] <NuMaStresa> I got to a point where linux started to be less fun that it used to be
[00:12:28] <domas> I care more about stuff like dtrace and zfs object 'api' ;)
[00:12:34] <NuMaStresa> still didn't "found my distribution", I only liked slackware and mandriva so far ...
[00:13:06] <NuMaStresa> :) I heard/read zfs is quite good
[00:13:20] <domas> not for everything, but for the rest it is awesome :)
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[00:13:49] <NuMaStresa> I was thinking about leaving linux and using freebsd for a while, but found vista very interesting
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[00:14:21] <domas> opensolaris can be frustrating at some moments
[00:14:26] <domas> (like package management :)
[00:14:27] <NuMaStresa> I'm also thinking about getting some certifications, I guess I'll start with cisco - ccna
[00:15:00] <domas> damn, I bumped into IPS developers and forgot to tell one of major drawbacks :)
[00:15:31] <NuMaStresa> what's that "major drawback" ?
[00:15:45] <domas> ah, it is terrible inefficient over long-distance networks
[00:15:48] <domas> terribly
[00:16:17] <NuMaStresa> lol, I hope I'll find a mirror near me :)
[00:16:21] <domas> :)
[00:16:27] <domas> well, you can always go and have a cup of coffee
[00:16:41] <NuMaStresa> or two, three, four ... wtf ?
[00:16:42] <NuMaStresa> :))
[00:17:18] <domas> it transfers package contents file-by-file, or something like that :)
[00:17:39] <NuMaStresa> what ?
[00:17:41] <domas> over-engineering
[00:17:42] <jlr> so the latency adds up?
[00:18:04] <jlr> too many round trips with small payloads?
[00:18:07] <domas> ye
[00:18:13] <domas> the network graph looks like this
[00:18:16] <domas> | | | | |
[00:18:21] <domas> well, or /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\
[00:18:23] <domas> ;)
[00:18:25] <NuMaStresa> :)
[00:18:50] <NuMaStresa> domas any good resources for newbies ?
[00:19:00] <domas> no idea, I'm a newbie myself!
[00:19:11] <domas> all I use it for atm is dtrace deepinspecting of various stuff
[00:19:19] <domas> performance engineering, lock debugging,
[00:19:21] <domas> yadda yadda
[00:19:26] <NuMaStresa> I guess I'll read what's on the site
[00:19:35] <NuMaStresa> in 2-3 years
[00:19:56] <NuMaStresa> I guess my "linux skills" are worthless in solaris
[00:19:57] <domas> nexenta is brilliant though :)
[00:20:06] <domas> if you use nexenta, you can still use your linux skills
[00:20:31] <domas> also, there's some magic command that makes GNU toolchain your default one
[00:20:37] <NuMaStresa> I saw this on the site if I remember well, it's some sort of distributions, right ?
[00:20:47] <jlr> i wouldn't say worthless. a lot of things are done differently though
[00:21:04] <NuMaStresa> I saw that "ls and uname -a" works untill now :)) (lol)
[00:21:20] <jlr> ps is annoying ;)
[00:21:22] <domas> oh wait, opensolaris has gnu tools by default
[00:21:25] <domas> ye, ps is most annoying to me
[00:21:29] <domas> I always type 'ps auxwww'
[00:21:30] <domas> :)
[00:21:31] <NuMaStresa> and /bin looks kind of strange ...
[00:22:34] * NuMaStresa noticed that it's a symlink to /usr/bin
[00:22:47] <codestr0m> e^ipi or anyone else.. ever seen this before? http://rafb.net/p/ZgQ92k90.html
[00:22:59] <trochej> gnu ps is "broken" for Solaris
[00:23:32] <codestr0m> I'm thinking it's because I updated devfsadm, but haven't confirmed
[00:23:43] <codestr0m> I'm not sure what calls devfsadm or devfsadmd
[00:23:55] <domas> trochej: GNU tools can be fun to look at, they have 100000 different OSes supported, but not that many working properly
[00:24:16] <codestr0m> it must be pretty early cause I couldn't even get a kernel debugging prompt from console
[00:24:21] <domas> some really really ancient ones
[00:24:28] <domas> they could remove so much code cruft...
[00:24:29] <domas> ;-)
[00:26:38] <kenokabe_> flashplayer so on firefox is sometimes problematic
[00:27:22] <kenokabe_> when I use fullscreen mode on youtube, OS completely freezes
[00:28:04] <kenokabe_> or probably just X11
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[00:30:17] <codestr0m> anyone know what comes before devfsadm(d) in the boot process?
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[00:33:40] <WalkingAsterisk> Does anyone know if there is good laptop support on Opensolaris ?
[00:34:06] <codestr0m> WalkingAsterisk: define good
[00:34:42] <WalkingAsterisk> Wifi and X are my main concerns
[00:34:44] <codestr0m> I've been using it regularly for months.. yet.. I know others who have a hell of a time with some bugs... what model/brand and maybe someone will be able to more clearly advise
[00:35:12] <WalkingAsterisk> HP pavilion dv 6000
[00:35:18] * codestr0m & > /dev/sleep
[00:35:19] <kenokabe_> I use ThinpadX61 tablet
[00:35:28] <kenokabe_> and wifi works fine
[00:35:58] <WalkingAsterisk> Interesting
[00:36:10] <kenokabe_> however I must complain when using staticIP mode or switching AP around
[00:36:25] <WalkingAsterisk> Neat project, I'm quite tempted.
[00:36:30] <kenokabe_> battery monitor and LCD control fine
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[00:36:54] <WalkingAsterisk> Thankyou kenokabe_
[00:37:18] <kenokabe_> actually if Wifi is DHCP mode, it's well supported
[00:37:28] <WalkingAsterisk> I use DHCP
[00:37:28] <kenokabe_> you welcome
[00:37:40] <kenokabe_> then should be flawless
[00:37:50] <WalkingAsterisk> What the heck
[00:37:52] * WalkingAsterisk downloads
[00:38:34] <codestr0m> WalkingAsterisk: if the rc2 has too many bugs.. try the more older 2008/05 release and or something from snv 98 range from genunix.org
[00:39:13] <kenokabe_> I would say rc2 is far better than 2008/05
[00:39:22] <kenokabe_> especially in terms of Wifi
[00:39:50] <WalkingAsterisk> I will try RC2, If linux can do it im sure Solaris can
[00:40:02] <domas> plockstat is nice
[00:40:07] <domas> now I have to figure out how to extend that information a bit
[00:40:08] <domas> :)
[00:40:17] <codestr0m> e^ipi: which list is best to get help for boot issues? I almost feel like I'm facing new arch problems
[00:47:55] <NuMaStresa> I'm just getting started with java, what should I use bluej|text editor or an ide ?
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[00:54:52] <WalkingAsterisk> I like netbeans
[00:55:21] <WalkingAsterisk> n/m then he left
[01:01:03] <TT> how can I see the cpu tempature?
[01:02:36] <WalkingAsterisk> I believe you need to boot into your bios
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[01:08:04] <tomww> depends on the available interfaces (e.g. smbios)
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[01:09:53] <tomww> or if available the service processor having access too the system management bus
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[01:12:25] <kenokabe> I think SUN should start a service like amazonEC2
[01:13:00] <kenokabe> they have a solid vm technology and Solaris
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[01:13:58] <kenokabe> I would buy a virtual remote Solaris server paying per hour
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[01:14:37] * WalkingAsterisk takes note
[01:14:40] <PerterB> you mean like www.network.com?
[01:14:41] <Auralis_> http://www.network.com/
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[01:15:13] <kenokabe> checking the site now
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[01:16:01] <kenokabe> is this like amazonEC2?
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[01:56:52] <tomww> Solaris in 64-b~.
[01:56:53] <tomww> ~.
[01:57:46] <tomww> ups
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[01:58:09] <tomww> Solaris in 64-bit gebootet kann in ein und derselben Installation 32-bit und 64-bit Programme gemischt laufen lassen.
[01:58:30] <CIA-27> Qiyan Sun - Sun Microsystems - San Diego United States <Qiyan.Sun at Sun dot COM>: 6776579 hxge driver needs to unset the crc_check_disable bit in vmac_rx_cfg register, 6776587 hxge on Sparc using TCPIPV6_STREAM failed with WARNING: hxge0 : fatal error: rcrfull error
[01:58:30] <tomww> eine riesen Menge Programme ist immmernoch als 32-bit compilat mit 32-bit libs im Einsatz
[01:58:46] <tomww> sorry, should have been #opensolaris-de :-)
[01:58:52] <Chipdancer> tomww: I think you want #opensolaris-de
[01:58:53] <Chipdancer> ;)
[01:59:16] <tomww> exactly
[01:59:40] <Chipdancer> though, surely, you'll find more people awake in here at this time of day ;)
[01:59:57] <tomww> sure!
[02:02:23] <tomww> some people using solaris aren't tied to working hours :-)
[02:03:17] <johannes> it should be possible, yes
[02:03:44] <johannes> but my laptop's battery is nearly empty
[02:04:04] <johannes> that's mor problematic than working hours ;-)
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[02:06:08] <Chipdancer> tomww: can you restate your problem again, in englisch ;)
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[02:15:48] <WalkingAsterisk> Will OpenSolaris detect a linux install and duel boot ?
[02:17:38] <tsoome> sure
[02:17:54] <WalkingAsterisk> Great, Ty
[02:17:56] <tsoome> it can duel and will win hands up:P
[02:18:03] <WalkingAsterisk> haha
[02:18:32] <WalkingAsterisk> To be honest. Im expecting it to win me over
[02:18:45] <tsoome> ofc, you need to figure out what bootloader is used by linux and make an ajustments if needed
[02:19:04] <WalkingAsterisk> Grub in this case i believe
[02:19:21] <tsoome> adjustments*
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[02:38:52] <mpbb> hi i'm trying to install rc2 but X crashes and reboots. is this aknown issue ans is there any quick fix ? 2008.05 install is booting fine
[02:39:42] <boggy`> is did you do a pkg image-update after u installed 200.05
[02:39:51] <boggy`> *8.5
[02:40:10] <boggy`> or for that matter pkgadd -d p
[02:40:18] <boggy`> or for that matter pkgadd -d SUNWipkg
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[02:40:49] <mpbb> sorry was not precise: i'm also installing 11 from install CD
[02:41:11] <boggy`> ok thats fine did u update?
[02:41:38] <boggy`> a ton of bugs where fixed
[02:41:55] <mpbb> no, tx will try
[02:43:35] <boggy`> run pkgadd -d SUNWipkg then pkg then pkg image-update
[02:43:42] <boggy`> then try install rc2
[02:44:10] <boggy`> sorry im typing like shit and not making sense im multi tasking like a retarded kid in a candy factory
[02:45:34] <mpbb> that's ok tx a lot
[02:46:06] <WalkingAsterisk> lol
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[02:50:20] <jdfiles> I'm new to OpenSolaris and I'm unclear on the use of samba vs the built in cifs functionality. Google is not much help.
[02:52:06] <jdfiles> What functionality  can I get out of the box without samba?
[02:54:46] <e^ipi> sharing files
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[02:57:15] <jamesd> the built in one is kernel based and is the result or the lawsuit between sun and microshaft where they paid Sun 1 billion dollars and is pretty sweet and is intergrated wth ZFS which makes its administration pretty sweet
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[03:05:21] <jdfiles> So does the built in cifs do domain control, etc, or is it just for file service? Samba can do a fair approximation of active directory with a LDAP backend.
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[03:26:04] <WalkingAsterisk> Two small problems, my caps key light is stuck on, and my sound card is not setup.
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[04:29:58] <moazamraja> "One....BILLLIION dollllars!"
[04:42:27] <StayTuned> e^ipi Triskelios and friends thank you for working with me this morning - hope you're having a great Thanksgiving
[04:42:51] <e^ipi> thanksgiving is in october
[04:43:04] <StayTuned> :)
[04:43:13] <e^ipi> real thanksgiving is anyways
[04:43:14] <StayTuned> well - hello my Canadian friend!
[04:43:40] <e^ipi> yo
[04:43:44] <StayTuned> e^ipi - I have discovered the problem
[04:43:52] <StayTuned> it appears to be in conf.d
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[04:44:11] <StayTuned> there are 2 sets of modules there
[04:44:25] <StayTuned> I am wondering if I should remove the 32 bit modules
[04:45:19] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[04:45:22] <e^ipi> comment them out
[04:45:27] <e^ipi> if it doesn't work, uncomment them
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[05:03:21] <StayTuned> e^ipi when you say there are alternatives to apache what do you mean?
[05:03:38] <e^ipi> exactly that, there's dozens of better alternatives
[05:03:44] <StayTuned> this is starting to really get on my nerves
[05:03:57] <StayTuned> can you name a few?
[05:04:08] <e^ipi> lighttp, cherokee, SJS WS7 ( sun's webserver )
[05:04:18] <moazamraja> apache from coolstack. :P
[05:04:26] <e^ipi> depending what you're deploying something like glassfish would work too
[05:04:51] <StayTuned> e^ipi at this point I am experimenting
[05:05:15] <e^ipi> i've never used cherokee but the guy that makes it used to work for sun in the solaris org at some capacity
[05:05:22] <e^ipi> so fair bet it works on solaris just fine
[05:05:30] <e^ipi> evidently it's pretty fast *shrug*
[05:06:13] <StayTuned> may as well try sun's webserver
[05:06:18] <jamesd> of course most people don't push the web server push it hard enough to worry about... apache can flood a 100mbit link on a 200mhz cpu with static data.
[05:06:53] <moazamraja> apache is very well supported
[05:07:07] <moazamraja> has been proven to be able to scale decently, once configured
[05:07:19] <moazamraja> Sun WebServer is not going to be updated
[05:07:21] <moazamraja> no new release
[05:07:26] <moazamraja> they've killed the product
[05:07:47] <StayTuned> I am used to setting apache to port 80 and letting it go
[05:07:56] <moazamraja> that should work
[05:08:05] <StayTuned> this has not been working under OpenSolaris
[05:08:21] <moazamraja> using the Apache httpd from Coolstack? that's what I use on a ton of my servers
[05:08:23] <moazamraja> no problems
[05:08:26] <e^ipi> moazamraja: got a URL for that claim?
[05:08:36] <e^ipi> i've not heard anything about WS7 getting killed
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[05:08:42] <moazamraja> e^ipi: dont need one, i used to work there when it happened
[05:08:48] <moazamraja> and i know the folks who got laid off
[05:09:25] <moazamraja> last meetings i had internally at Sun (before i quit), they were talking about just contributing to Apache instead
[05:09:31] <StayTuned> I have a thought
[05:09:44] <StayTuned> I am going to remove amp-dev
[05:09:48] <StayTuned> and apache2
[05:09:58] <StayTuned> then install apache2
[05:10:02] <moazamraja> just download and use the Sun Coolstack package
[05:10:04] <StayTuned> and then amp-dev
[05:10:06] <moazamraja> it comes with everything u need
[05:10:13] <moazamraja> apache, mysql, etc.
[05:10:30] <StayTuned> let me look into it
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[05:11:57] <moazamraja> e^ipi: don't get me wrong, I was a fan of it. But they cut the team and as of that time didn't have any plans to work on it any longer.
[05:12:09] <moazamraja> patches for supported customers, sure. nothing more.
[05:12:34] <moazamraja> even the support folks were told to start learning a different product
[05:14:22] <e^ipi> fair enough, but i haven't seen an EOL notice... given i haven't been looking too hard
[05:14:36] <e^ipi> hey, nifty... cherokee has a web management interface
[05:14:53] <e^ipi> no more config file silliness
[05:16:22] <moazamraja> no EOL notice yet
[05:16:38] <moazamraja> they're still selling it, no doubt
[05:16:44] <moazamraja> just dont expect future development
[05:19:25] <StayTuned> moazamraja: which stack should I download
[05:19:35] <StayTuned> I see SUNpampkcs11
[05:20:14] <StayTuned> I also see just plain amp
[05:20:18] <StayTuned> and amp-dev
[05:20:37] <StayTuned> trying amp
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[06:06:33] <StayTuned> this is about that svcadm program
[06:07:31] <StayTuned> there is something forcing the apache into maintenance mode
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[06:13:22] <cast> i accidently installed the 32bit version of 2008.05 rather than 64bit, i have an amd64 with 1GB of ram, i did notice in the zfs documentation 64bit was recommended. is there any sizable performance difference between a 32bit and 64bit opensolaris install? it'll just be normal desktop duties, for linux there's not much difference
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[06:20:38] <moazamraja> cast: if u only have 1GB of RAM, it shouldn't matter
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[06:32:51] <yksinaisyyteni> how could you "accidentally" install the 32-bit version?
[06:33:08] <yksinaisyyteni> there aren't separate 32/64-bit CDs... you have to explicitly tell it not to load the 64-bit kernel on a 64-bit system
[06:34:06] * cast raises eyebrow
[06:34:41] <cast> i wonder what happened then, i just kind of assumed i had accidently got the 32bit cd
[06:35:04] <yksinaisyyteni> how do you know it's the 32-bit version?
[06:35:42] <jamesd> isainfo -v
[06:35:46] <jamesd> will give you a hint
[06:36:08] <cast> fuzzy memory, had just woken up, i think i went file /bin/sh and it said 32bit binary
[06:36:16] <cast> ill check further though next time i reboot
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[06:36:55] <yksinaisyyteni> cast: solaris doesn't ship 64-bit binaries for things that don't need it
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[06:37:01] <jamesd> /bin/sh
[06:37:01] <jamesd> /bin/sh:        ELF 32-bit MSB executable SPARC Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped, no debugging information available
[06:37:04] <yksinaisyyteni> (/bin/sh is an example of something that doesn't need to be 64-bit)
[06:37:08] <jamesd> ^^^ from a fully 64bit machine.
[06:37:21] <cast> ahh.
[06:37:58] <jamesd> isainfo -v
[06:38:11] <cast> yes, you said that ;)
[06:38:28] <jamesd> run it, if it lists 64 bit binaries its in 64bit mode
[06:38:56] <jamesd> isainfo -v
[06:38:57] <jamesd> 64-bit amd64 applications
[06:38:57] <jamesd>         ahf cx16 sse3 sse2 sse fxsr amd_3dnowx amd_3dnow amd_mmx mmx cmov cx8
[06:38:57] <jamesd>         tsc fpu
[06:38:59] * cast nods
[06:42:45] <e^ipi> it's relatively complicated to force solaris in to the 32 bit kernel
[06:42:49] <e^ipi> you can't accidently do it
[06:44:17] <e^ipi> not like the whole bottle
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[07:11:11] <k_tarou> i cannot boot the opensolaris live cd on my Presario v3000 x86, my laptop was detected as 64 bit system, is there any way to fix this?
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[07:32:33] <e^ipi> fix it being a 64 bit machine?
[07:32:44] <e^ipi> i suppose if you swap out the processors
[07:33:41] <jbk> maybe take a razor to one of the traces and make it a 63-bit one :)
[07:34:07] <k_tarou> my laptop is 32 bit system
[07:34:22] <k_tarou> i use opensolaris rc2
[07:34:36] <k_tarou> rc1b also detect 64 bit
[07:36:03] <yksinaisyyteni> k_tarou: what cpu do you have, how do you know it's wrongly detecting it as 64-bit, and what exactly is the problem when you try to boot?
[07:36:06] <anilg> k_tarou: are you sure about that.. whats the processor on your laptop?
[07:37:01] <k_tarou> the processor is intel core 2 duo
[07:37:13] <yksinaisyyteni> what makes you think the system is 32-bit then?
[07:40:40] <k_tarou> i read it on the specification
[07:41:07] <k_tarou> now i'm running ubuntu 32 bit and it works
[07:41:29] <yksinaisyyteni> well, there's no such thing as a 32-bit core 2 duo.  so, again: what _exactly_ is the problem when you try to boot?
[07:41:39] <sickness> morning all
[07:42:30] <k_tarou> after preparing the disk image it went down
[07:42:45] <yksinaisyyteni> how exactly did it 'go down'?
[07:43:49] <k_tarou> some hardware conflict i think, i cannot get the log installation.
[07:44:03] <yksinaisyyteni> no, i didn't mean what do you think caused it
[07:44:14] <yksinaisyyteni> i meant what happened.  'go down' is too vague
[07:44:20] <k_tarou> restart
[07:45:12] <yksinaisyyteni> okay.  and how far in the boot did it get before then?  did grub load?
[07:45:17] <k_tarou> there is some erorr mesage "sync file system 4 3 2 2 2 2 2............................"
[07:45:30] <k_tarou> then it restart
[07:45:44] <k_tarou> the grub loaded well
[07:46:56] <k_tarou> i try to edit the boot parameter to "kernel/unix" and my laptop detected as 32 bit system, but it goes the same as before, restarting
[07:47:09] <yksinaisyyteni> so the problem is unlikely to be related to 32/64 bit
[07:47:23] <yksinaisyyteni> it's probably panicking.  you should edit the kernel line to append '-kv'
[07:47:27] <yksinaisyyteni> (in grub)
[07:47:39] <yksinaisyyteni> then instead of rebooting, it will drop to kmdb, and you can investigate the problem
[07:48:32] <k_tarou> ok I'll try that
[07:51:45] <coffman> morning
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[08:05:22] <trochej> Coffeee!
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[08:12:13] <codestr0m> morning pansies
[08:12:19] <codestr0m> esp: seanmcg ;)
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[08:58:31] <CIA-27> Qin Michael Li <Mikore.Li at Sun dot COM>: 6776713 rtw driver needs to support fast reboot, 6776723 rtw needs to support Brussels
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[09:10:47] <Rick4> Let me ask this right fast... The OS 2008.11 would this be coming out in 11 of 2008?
[09:11:08] <Auralis_> that is the plan
[09:11:22] <codestr0m> Rick4: nope.. in dec..
[09:11:36] <codestr0m> holiday in the US
[09:11:36] <Rick4> ok thanks.. I did not mean to bother any one.. Have a nice day.
[09:11:43] <codestr0m> Rick4: not a bother at all
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[09:12:26] <Rick4> ok I see in dec of next month.. right
[09:13:01] <Rick4> I have been trying to read alot about this
[09:13:44] <Rick4> I tried the RC2, and what I saw, I really liked.
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[09:15:29] <Rarok> I also tried the RC2 and It works VERY well in a intel atom (even it detects all the hardware without touching anything ^_^)
[09:16:59] <DTEIT> morning
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[09:26:42] <k_tarou> I got kernel panic try to install RC2
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[09:44:29] <qiyong> how can i clear the dmesg buffer?
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[09:46:23] <trochej> qiyong: dmesg is a script. Look at it to see what it tails. /var/adm/messages iirc.
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[10:02:04] <qiyong> all NIC device has a node in /dev/ too?
[10:02:22] <yksinaisyyteni> one device entry per driver
[10:02:45] <qiyong> yksinaisyyteni: so, the answer is yes?
[10:02:56] <yksinaisyyteni> no, the entry is per *driver*, not per *device*
[10:02:57] <qiyong> yksinaisyyteni: this is different from bsd or linux
[10:03:04] <qiyong> oh
[10:03:05] <yksinaisyyteni> there's only one /dev/bge, not /dev/bge0, /dev/bge1, ...
[10:03:16] <qiyong> i doubt
[10:03:19] <yksinaisyyteni> oh, actually, there is one per device also
[10:03:24] <yksinaisyyteni> as well as the driver one
[10:03:32] <CosmicDJ> and there's no /dev/lo ...
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[10:03:46] <qiyong> # ls /dev/iprb*
[10:03:47] <qiyong> /dev/iprb@  /dev/iprb0@
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[10:04:04] <yksinaisyyteni> yes, i just corrected myself
[10:04:11] <qiyong> this behavior is solaris uniq?
[10:04:15] <boggy`>  VERSION:  2.0.6,REV=r39760.2008.11.21.20.58
[10:04:16] <boggy`>     STATUS:  partially installed - how can i finish the install?
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[10:05:01] <qiyong> yksinaisyyteni: i think they are device node, not driver, since it's /dev/
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[10:06:52] <qiyong> how do i conf a wifi interface?
[10:07:03] <qiyong> merely with wificonfig?
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[11:22:53] <trochej> Coffee
[11:24:43] <codestr0m> water thanks :)
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[11:24:54] <trochej> Like an animal.
[11:24:55] <trochej> :)
[11:25:06] <wdp> hey
[11:25:27] <wdp> are u using opensolaris for desktop usage?
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[11:26:13] <Rarok> Yes, It can be used at desktop
[11:26:17] <CosmicDJ> you should take a look at opensolaris 2008.11RC2 if you want solaris in the dekstop :)
[11:26:19] <trochej> I do
[11:26:26] <Rarok> I have it running on a atom
[11:27:01] <wdp> i'm new to opensolaris.. i wanted to try out some other operating systems. i'm familar with linux and bsd. As i'm very interested in ZFS i thought i give opensolaris a try.
[11:27:40] <wdp> tried it already in an emulator, looks fine. booted yesterday the 2008.05 live/install cd and used the driver detection thingy to look whether my hardware is supported.
[11:28:08] <CosmicDJ> uh, you should really try 2008.11rc2..
[11:28:18] <wdp> there are 3 missing drivers (thats ok, one of them is nfo for nforce ethernet, found that one already) and one "driver misconfigured" this misconfigured thingy is a bit.. well. It's "audiohd"
[11:28:27] <wdp> the soundcard. in linux snd-hda-intel
[11:28:42] <wdp> 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
[11:28:47] <wdp> Chip: Realtek ALG268
[11:28:52] <yksinaisyyteni> audio driver problems can be fixed by installing OSS (opensound.com)
[11:28:54] <wdp> anyone knows whether that soundcard is working?
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[11:29:31] <CosmicDJ> there is some hd audio stuff in .11rc2 IIRC
[11:29:33] <wdp> Rarok, i'd use it on an acer aspire 5520G notebook :)
[11:29:46] <trochej> I use it on Lenovo 3000 n200
[11:29:51] <trochej> No problem
[11:30:00] <wdp> k. ty
[11:30:10] <wdp> anyone here familar with "zones" ?
[11:30:41] <trochej> I guess so
[11:30:55] <wdp> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=84061&tstart=0 <- if you scroll down to "4. Zones"
[11:31:24] <wdp> there i got some questions, maybe you can answer them for me? i didn't found it using google nor in the documentation, probably i just didn't saw it
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[11:32:21] <CosmicDJ> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/
[11:32:30] <CosmicDJ> all about linux in a zone
[11:33:47] <Rarok> wdp i'm using it in a desktop board D945GCLF2 + Atom Dual Core 330 and autodetects EVERYTHING
[11:34:59] <Rarok> Now I'm looking for one of these PCI boards to have 3 SATA ports (but it seems that they don't work on solaris :( )
[11:36:30] <quasi> Rarok: so how about adding a sata controller?
[11:38:12] <Rarok> The trouble is in looking for one that works in OpenSolaris
[11:39:16] <quasi> not that difficult if you're not looking for super performance
[11:39:41] <yksinaisyyteni> there are loads of PCI SATA cards that work in solaris
[11:39:51] <yksinaisyyteni> SI, marvell..
[11:40:15] <Rarok> marvell works in solaris?
[11:40:21] <yksinaisyyteni> yes, marvell88sx(7d)
[11:40:27] <yksinaisyyteni> it's what sun uses in their servers
[11:41:19] <jbit> or just find an AHCI one?
[11:41:35] <yksinaisyyteni> yes, ahci should work too
[11:41:50] * yksinaisyyteni doesn't see many of those around though
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[11:43:35] <quasi> in bigadmin/hcl there's a list of supported cards for x86
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[12:16:09] <doof> hi
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[12:25:59] <wdp> Your machine must be running the Solaris Express: Community Release.
[12:26:06] <wdp> zones are only working with solaris express CE?
[12:26:40] <yksinaisyyteni> no, where did you see that?
[12:27:24] <wdp> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/install/
[12:27:28] <trochej> wdp: Untrue
[12:27:36] <wdp> 2. System Requirenments
[12:27:39] <trochej> wdp: 2008.X has it too
[12:27:40] <yksinaisyyteni> that's a very old brandz guide
[12:27:43] <yksinaisyyteni> it's been in solaris 10 for a while now
[12:27:47] <wdp> oh
[12:27:49] <wdp> ic, ty
[12:27:51] <yksinaisyyteni> "it" = brandz, not zones
[12:27:55] <yksinaisyyteni> zones were there forever
[12:28:23] <wdp> so i can use brandz in opensolaris too'?
[12:28:39] <quasi> wdp: zones on 2008.X are a bit broken compared to sxce
[12:28:44] <codestr0m> wdp: yes
[12:29:02] <codestr0m> quasi: isn't that only in the newer releases?
[12:29:10] <codestr0m> before snv_100 things were fine
[12:29:16] <anilg> any idea what  undefined reference to `inet_aton at SUNW_2 dot 3' .. what does x@y mean?
[12:29:28] <yksinaisyyteni> anilg: that's a versioned symbol
[12:29:30] <codestr0m> anilg: where do you get taht error?
[12:29:31] <quasi> codestr0m: no they weren't
[12:29:37] <yksinaisyyteni> anilg: probably your executable/library was compiled with a newer libc than your system
[12:29:47] <quasi> codestr0m: sparse zones never worked on 2008.X
[12:29:52] <wdp> Install the zone from a tarball:
[12:29:55] <yksinaisyyteni> (the symbol is inet_aton and its version is SUNW_2.3)
[12:29:58] <wdp> A tarball based on the CentOS Linux distribution is available on the OpenSolaris website in http://opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/downloads.
[12:30:10] <codestr0m> anilg: make sure you don't have two versions of the same lib for example one in /lib and /usr/lib that differs
[12:30:12] <wdp> can someone point me to the documentation part, where i see how to create such a tarbal?
[12:30:25] <codestr0m> quasi: umm.. I've made my own brand and it works fine
[12:30:43] <codestr0m> so zones aren't broken. it's the ipkg brand
[12:30:44] <yksinaisyyteni> wdp: you don't create one... either install from the existing one, or install from a centos/rhel CD/DVD
[12:30:46] <wdp> as i don't wanna use rhel nor centos. i wanna use the linux distro i'm using atm. it's a not known source based one
[12:31:00] <yksinaisyyteni> you'll have to create your own brand then
[12:31:11] <yksinaisyyteni> there are some examples for debian you could probably adapt
[12:31:23] <wdp> k. Got a link for me maybe where i can read that?
[12:31:24] <quasi> codestr0m: I still call that broken and close to useless
[12:31:28] <codestr0m> wdp: http://www.codestrom.com/wandering/2008/09/linux-26-brandz.html
[12:31:31] <yksinaisyyteni> not off hand, try google
[12:31:36] <wdp> (sorry.. new to this, never heard before of something like zones)
[12:31:40] <codestr0m> quasi: works perfect for me.. and I consider it a fault of pkg5
[12:31:46] <wdp> codestr0m, ty
[12:32:13] <codestr0m> wdp: it may be a bit rough, but let me know if you have trouble.. in the example I think I use fedora, but this can easily be adapted to gentoo/etc
[12:32:48] <wdp> <- lunar linux :)
[12:33:02] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: you seem pretty knowledgeable.. were you here under a different nic before or just start working with the wiki* guys?
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[12:33:36] <yksinaisyyteni> codestr0m: /msg nickserv info yksinaisyyteni ;)
[12:33:56] <quasi> new day, new nick
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[12:55:25] <trochej> Coffee
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[13:02:00] <CosmicDJ> + milk & sugar
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[13:02:46] <GEN0VA> hi there
[13:03:13] <GEN0VA> what it means on a PS command: [1]+  Done                    setpgrp  ?
[13:03:45] <GEN0VA> and when i run the process again it shows me: [1] 13514  ?
[13:05:19] <CosmicDJ> google for running commands in the backgroup + shell
[13:05:35] <codestr0m> GEN0VA: means a background job finished and it's letting you know
[13:05:43] <GEN0VA> and how can i re-run it again?
[13:05:51] <trochej> fg pid
[13:06:03] <trochej> Wait
[13:06:05] <GEN0VA> fg pid?
[13:06:32] <CosmicDJ> !! ;)
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[13:06:40] <GEN0VA> fg means?
[13:06:44] <trochej> foreground
[13:06:48] <GEN0VA> ahm ok
[13:06:56] <CosmicDJ> and it's fg %[1-x]
[13:06:58] <codestr0m> GEN0VA: are you familiar with basic unix commands?
[13:07:11] <GEN0VA> fg 13514
[13:07:11] <GEN0VA> bash: fg: 13514: no such job
[13:07:12] <trochej> CosmicDJ: Yeah, I noticed I forgot
[13:07:20] <GEN0VA> yes, but not using all daily
[13:07:33] <codestr0m> GEN0VA: if you're using bash.. I'd take a quick at a bash online reference
[13:07:48] <codestr0m> GEN0VA: specifically about jobs
[13:07:50] <GEN0VA> ok, yes im at bash
[13:07:51] <GEN0VA> .sh
[13:08:04] <GEN0VA> ah great, ill read it all again at bash process
[13:08:05] <GEN0VA> and jobs
[13:08:08] <GEN0VA> thanks ^_^
[13:08:20] <codestr0m> GEN0VA: and in the future try #bash for some of these general things
[13:08:26] <CosmicDJ> try to understand it this time :p
[13:08:46] <GEN0VA> ok, thanks!
[13:08:56] <CosmicDJ> you're welcome
[13:11:40] <yksinaisyyteni> it's not really bash specific either though
[13:11:50] <yksinaisyyteni> efnet #unixhelp is probably a good place to ask about that stuff
[13:11:57] <yksinaisyyteni> (also, reading a book...)
[13:12:22] <CosmicDJ> "ah great, ill read it all again"
[13:12:31] <tsoome> :D
[13:12:43] <yksinaisyyteni> a unix book, not a bash book :P
[13:13:50] <CosmicDJ> yes that's a good advise; the shell + process management stuff should be covered in each and every linux/unix book
[13:14:05] <tsoome> not the "unix"  book with penguin on the cover:)
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[14:48:53] <wereHamster> the userspace dtrace helper, does it only translate the stack pointer to a name?
[14:49:26] <wereHamster> I read it's impossible to print the stacktrace if the application manages the stack in userspace, is that correct?
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[14:59:19] <doof> pour faire quoi au final ?
[14:59:22] <doof> oups
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[15:03:07] <asyd> aa/s 19
[15:03:15] <asyd> oups
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[15:46:35] <_delirium> Just wondering which is the newer and better choice - the OpenSolaris 2008.05 or Solaris Express CE b103
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[15:48:54] <CosmicDJ> for what?
[15:50:21] <_delirium> I have an AMD Phenom quad core, 4GB RAM Desktop PC and I want to install Solaris for Java development and day to day use - I want to be able to keep up to date with the latest OS release as well
[15:50:40] <CosmicDJ> opensolaris 2008.11rc2
[15:51:07] <_delirium> CosmicDJ okay cool - that pre-release right - but stable enough?
[15:51:28] <trygvis> I use sxce for exactly that purpose
[15:52:08] <_delirium> I also wondered when it says SXCE includes stuff from Sun that isnt in OpenSolaris - what you get extra in SXCE?
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[15:52:34] <vmlemon_> CDE
[15:52:44] <_delirium> okay I dont need CDE
[15:52:57] <g4lt-mordant> not anymore, i got pulled in the 50's
[15:53:01] <yksinaisyyteni> manual pages
[15:53:02] <vmlemon_> I think you get RealPlayer, some additional fonts, StarOffice
[15:53:07] <vmlemon_> and some other things
[15:53:17] <vmlemon_> (Might have been Flash Player, although I'm not sure)
[15:53:33] <_delirium> okay so nothing i will miss really
[15:53:49] <yksinaisyyteni> unless you need manual pages
[15:54:03] <_delirium> how can I keep an OpenSolaris install up to date, is there a mechanism for updating the base system?
[15:54:15] <_delirium> i would like manual pages - does OpenSolaris not have any at all?
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[15:54:28] <yksinaisyyteni> some, not all
[15:54:29] <g4lt-mordant> yksinaisyyteni: trust me, even SXDE/opensoaris has SUNWmanu
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[15:56:22] <_delirium> the genunix.org site seems very slow, is it mirrored anywhere?
[15:57:13] <jdfiles> jamesd: You suggested that I use sxde. What's your reasoning on that vs. OpenSolaris 2008.5 or 2008.11?
[15:57:27] <yksinaisyyteni> i hope he said CE, not DE :)
[15:57:37] <yksinaisyyteni> as SXDE is dead now
[15:58:03] <g4lt-mordant> SXDE got morphed ino indiana AKA opensoilaris
[15:58:21] <g4lt-mordant> I still don't recognize indiana as the only opensolaris out there
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[16:01:50] <jdfiles> Well, in either case, what are the advantages of each? It seems that OpenSolaris 2008.5 is the stable one and SXCE is the current one. Is that about right?
[16:02:00] <yksinaisyyteni> jdfiles: solaris 10 is the stable one
[16:02:19] <yksinaisyyteni> SXCE is probably more stable than indiana since it doesn't have a completely new packaging system
[16:02:43] <yksinaisyyteni> but at some point indiana will get a repository that doesn't have new builds every two weeks, only bugfixes, and that'll probably be more stable than SXCE is now
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[16:07:50] <g4lt-mordant> and then the rest of us can tell indiana to fork off ;P
[16:08:17] <_delirium> how do i keep the base system up to date in OpenSolaris 2008.11
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[16:08:54] <g4lt-mordant> prolly sonethin like ipkg updatre;ipkg upgrade
[16:09:23] <g4lt-mordant> ipkg is approximately like dedbian's apt, since they have the same author
[16:09:32] <yksinaisyyteni> no they don't
[16:09:36] <yksinaisyyteni> and the command is 'pkg'
[16:09:47] <yksinaisyyteni> you probably want pkg image-update
[16:10:36] <g4lt-mordant> yksinaisyyteni: ian murdock wrote both
[16:12:40] <yksinaisyyteni> g4lt-mordant: i've never heard that and found nothing that says so on opensolaris.org (he's not even a member of the IPS project)
[16:13:13] <g4lt-mordant> who do you think generated indiana?
[16:13:34] <yksinaisyyteni> oh, when you say "wrote IPS", you mean "thought up indiana"
[16:13:35] <g4lt-mordant> why do you think most of us derisively call it ian-diana
[16:14:08] <g4lt-mordant> thought up and set up framework for, including prototypung ips
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[16:15:02] <_delirium> anyone know any mirrors for 2008.11rc2 - genunix.org is very slow - 30KB/sec
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[16:16:21] <yksinaisyyteni> from reading sch's blog, it seems clear a new packaging system was being considered long before ian came along
[16:18:23] <g4lt-mordant> no, indiana/ips was announced by ian murdock
[16:18:51] <yksinaisyyteni> i didn't say otherwise, i only said that sch was considering what a new packaging system would look like long before ian came along
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[16:19:17] <g4lt-mordant> and sch basically told murdock to "make me a better linux than linux", which ian did
[16:20:33] <g4lt-mordant> and now opensolaris doesn' actually run on any of the workstations that sun put out
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[16:20:50] <g4lt-mordant> okay, sparc workstatoins
[16:21:45] <tsoome> no issue as sun is not selling sparc workstations;)
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[16:25:03] * codestr0m wishes they'd send Ian back to wherever he came from
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[16:33:02] <g4lt-mordant> codestr0m: they won't take him bak we tried.  they told us that they have a stric no deposit, no returnpolicy
[16:33:57] <codestr0m> must have been some smooth marketing talk to get him where he is now
[16:34:25] <codestr0m> I wonder if enough of us ask him to get back to Debian if he'll out of shame do it
[16:34:40] <codestr0m> I mean.. wouldn't that make a nice petition
[16:35:42] <wdp_> who's ian?
[16:36:12] <codestr0m> wdp_: look up the person who started Deb (ian)
[16:36:29] <wdp_> hm
[16:36:37] <wdp_> debian sucks imho
[16:36:39] <wdp_> anyway.
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[16:37:39] <_delirium> i think the stuff he is bringing into Solaris is good
[16:37:43] <sporq> is it possible to control UFS filesystems under sun cluster without having to put them under SDS?
[16:37:53] <sporq> eg. ha-nfs?
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[16:38:42] <g4lt-mordant> _delirium: it's the stuff he's pushing out that's pissin most of us off
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[16:39:41] <_delirium> ah i havent heard about that
[16:39:45] <_delirium> whats he dropping then?
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[16:44:23] <g4lt-mordant> apparently sun4u support for starters, jsh is on the ropes because /bin/sh is going to bash, indiana was the entity that pronounced CDE dead.  in fact, most of thethings that most solaris users considered advantages are goin or gone
[16:44:53] <asyd> bin/sh is going to bash
[16:44:57] <timsf> Uh what? sun4u is being worked on
[16:45:14] <asyd> that won't help people writing *real* sh scripts.. :/
[16:45:26] <timsf> http://twitter.com/comay/status/1027497919
[16:45:31] <g4lt-mordant> timsf: really?  not according to caiman-discuss
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[16:46:13] <g4lt-mordant> the sparc installer will be sun4v, 2G RAM is what I pulled from the latst sparc installer thread
[16:46:38] <timsf> ah, I was equating "sparc" with sun4u
[16:47:15] <timsf> but you know that none of this is coming from Ian right? He's working in a different portion of the company now
[16:47:34] <g4lt-mordant> I thought he sill played with DC
[16:48:39] <timsf> I could be wrong
[16:48:59] <g4lt-mordant> and unless sparc64 is sun4v, technically, sparc is dead as far as indiana goes, since sun4v is niagra, nothing about sparc in the same
[16:49:24] <g4lt-mordant> name even
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[16:54:50] <seanmcg> sun4d, sun4m, sun4u, sun4v...   and then we have i386, i486, i586.. same with intel chips.
[16:55:42] <g4lt-mordant> seanmcg: you missed some in htere, and the 4d is actually just a special case of 4m.  it's 4c that's the bitch
[16:56:18] <seanmcg> shurg.. more names, i686...
[16:56:22] * g4lt-mordant STR taht 4d and 4m used hte same instruction set
[16:56:23] <seanmcg> i486dx
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[16:57:49] <seanmcg> my point is sparc isn't dead :)
[16:57:49] <g4lt-mordant> and I have confirmaion that nothing with "sparc" in the title will see indiana.  sparc64 unames as sun4u
[16:58:31] <g4lt-mordant> no, it's long from dead, but indiana doesn't quite get that point
[16:58:46] <trygvis> bu hu
[16:59:09] <g4lt-mordant> but the fact that indiana is going sun4v-only means I REALLY think ia32 ought to not be supported either
[17:01:08] <g4lt-mordant> remember, fiar is "pissing everybody off equally", it's time the wintel weenies felt the pain
[17:01:40] <trygvis> you mean soltel?
[17:01:47] <trygvis> or was it solamd
[17:02:15] <codestr0m> I'm getting caught on a x86 vs amd64 difference.. as can be seen here http://rafb.net/p/1i7wAA68.html int rc_node_setup_iter(rc_node_ptr_t *, rc_node_iter_t **, uint32_t,  size_t, const char *);
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[17:02:36] <codestr0m> I changed the current int to long
[17:02:40] <timsf> I'd suggest that if you want sun4u support sooner rather than later, you go ahead and contribute your time to help make it happen. Otherwise stop complaining.
[17:02:54] <codestr0m> timsf: patches welcome eh?
[17:03:00] <timsf> Go for it.
[17:03:22] <codestr0m> I think the point was less complaining about the priorities and the people behind them (shrugs)
[17:03:36] <quasi> one could hope that indiana would die faster without sparc support
[17:04:13] <quasi> but that's probably a bit too optimistic
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[17:05:08] * g4lt-mordant plays marbles with timsf's eyes
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[17:06:09] <quasi> timsf: you got a 2 and a 3 - not good at all
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[17:23:13] <g4lt-mordant> at least it's a point.  it'd suck to crap out with your only set of eyes
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[17:53:30] <Asako> is it normal for gnome-terminal to use so much memory?
[17:53:49] <Asako> I don't even have much open
[17:54:29] <codestr0m> Asako: how are you determining how much memory it's using?
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[17:54:42] <Asako> prstat
[17:54:57] <codestr0m> and how much is it reporting?
[17:55:03] <Asako>    PID USERNAME  SIZE   RSS STATE  PRI NICE      TIME  CPU PROCESS/NLWP
[17:55:03] <Asako>  11211 wattersm  486M  248M sleep   49    0   0:43:41 0.5% gnome-terminal/2
[17:55:24] <Asako> Xorg is using about 400 MB too
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[17:55:56] <codestr0m> 891 asura     183M   44M sleep   59    0   0:10:56 0.1% gnome-terminal/2
[17:56:08] <Asako> guess I should try rxvt or something
[17:56:11] <codestr0m> I think that includes the video card memory as well
[17:56:30] <codestr0m> I have 6 tabs in gnome-terminal open as well
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[17:57:06] <Asako> I have 8
[17:57:22] <Asako> wonder if I can compile Eterm, hehe
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[17:58:36] <codestr0m> did you compile gnome-terminal yourself?
[17:58:43] <codestr0m> I know some people like to hack the short-cuts like me
[17:58:50] <Asako> nah
[17:59:08] <TomJ> gnome terminal doesnt have configurable hotkeys?
[17:59:21] <codestr0m> TomJ: not all keybindings are exposed
[17:59:22] <Asako> neither does terminator, it sucks
[17:59:31] <codestr0m> == patch
[17:59:34] <TomJ> ah
[17:59:38] <TomJ> Konsole is pretty good for that
[17:59:40] <Asako> so I have to remember that the keys are different on my windows box
[17:59:42] <TomJ> well, Konsole for KDE 3 is
[17:59:48] <TomJ> in KDE 4 they blocked off the use of the Alt key completely
[17:59:51] <TomJ> twats.
[17:59:56] <codestr0m> TomJ: slowly I'm working towards a kde4 desktop
[18:00:04] <e^ipi> TomJ, gnome in general assumes that you're a starving african child, and therefore too stupid to use a computer
[18:00:16] <codestr0m> e^ipi: come on..
[18:00:41] <Asako> so true
[18:00:45] <e^ipi> they removed the location bar from the file browser because it was "too confusing"
[18:00:53] <e^ipi> if that's not condescending i don't know what is
[18:00:59] <Asako> I wish open solaris had XFCE or even fluxbox
[18:01:45] <codestr0m> e^ipi: c^L == location bar
[18:01:54] <codestr0m> s/c//
[18:02:30] <e^ipi> yes, they put it back after much protest, and hid it in a keyboard shortcut
[18:02:44] <e^ipi> but point being they removed it in the first place because they assume their users are too stupid to use it
[18:03:38] <e^ipi> in either case, i'll not be talked down to by my window manager, hence I use fluxbox
[18:04:09] <e^ipi> it compiles relatively cleanly though it's got some bugs with sunwspro
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[18:07:53] <Plazma> e^ipi, don't take NO crap from software!
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[18:11:20] <e^ipi> no man
[18:11:32] <Asako> me neither
[18:11:44] <Asako> I like stuff that doesn't assume I'm an idiot
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[18:41:31] <wdp_> <Asako> I wish open solaris had XFCE or even fluxbox
[18:41:33] <wdp_> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/xfce/building_xfce/
[18:41:43] <wdp_> probably that'll help.. at least that what i will try.
[18:41:44] <wdp_> i hate gnome.
[18:42:51] <pjfloyd> not forgetting KDE
[18:42:58] <Asako> hmm
[18:43:42] <pjfloyd> though if you hate GNOME then KDE's lightweightness isn't going to be a big attraction
[18:43:52] <wdp_> i don't like kde either
[18:43:55] <wdp_> :)
[18:44:09] <Asako> I may have to start using the core install and just adding what I want
[18:44:23] <Asako> or use nexenta
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[18:58:59] <g4lt-mordant> let me go right ahead and dissuade you on that.  g4lt's rule for n00bs, ALWAYS install full+oem, installing from CD is nontrivial
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[19:03:16] <codestr0m> Asako: also possibly check out belenix
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[19:07:12] <Asako> yeah
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[19:09:53] <g4lt-mordant> okay, let me rephrase, pkgadd from CD is nontrivial
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[19:34:25] <Asako> don't you just mount it and install them?
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[19:39:18] <Cripps> does anybody know where I can find a binary that contains CTF data within it? I'm porting the ctf utils (dump, ctfconvert, ctfmerge) to QNX, and I just got dump to build, now I'd like to check to see if it's doing what it should be doing.
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[19:41:55] <jbk> anything in ON should have it
[19:41:59] <jbk> iirc
[19:42:03] <jbk> but any kernel module
[19:42:21] <g4lt-mordant> Asako: sort of, the directory structure is...complicated to get to the actual package directories.  also, they're nt .pkg files, they're directories, which throws a lot of people
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[19:43:01] <Cripps> jbk, okay, thanks, I'll sinff around, and if I have any trouble, I'll report back ;)
[19:45:03] <Cripps> jbk, oh ... I'm reporting back ... all I have is the opensolaris source ... no binaries here. Is there a place I can download an arbitrary one from, or should I try to get an install cd and grab one from there?
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[19:47:24] <jbk> probably easiest to grab a cd
[19:47:35] <Cripps> sounds good. Thanks.
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[19:56:16] <Cripps> jbk, using a 2008.11rc1 cd there is no ON directory ... unless you were referring to something different than I was thinking?
[19:56:53] <Cripps> ack ... I have to go to a meeting, I'll be back in about an hour. Thanks!
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[19:57:45] <jbk> just pick something from /kernel/drv
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[20:13:04] <kenokabe> without audio, the first impression is not that cool huh
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[20:15:48] <e^ipi> and really, first impressions are all that matter
[20:16:02] <e^ipi> who cares about the technology when you've got teh flashy
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[20:17:45] * g4lt-mordant points e^ipi over to #ubuntu ;P
[20:20:57] <WalkingAsterisk> I know what you mean kenokabe, i have no audio aswell. My caps key led light is stuck on, and it wont load up a usb thumb drive.
[20:21:16] <e^ipi> install OSS
[20:21:38] <WalkingAsterisk> Not a bad idea.
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[20:21:54] <e^ipi> http://www.4front-tech.com/release/oss-solaris-v4.0-1016-i386.pkg
[20:22:00] <WalkingAsterisk> Im hopefull there will be an update to fix problems aftter the install
[20:22:13] <e^ipi> as for the light, dunno, don't care... the usb thumb drive, what's the filesystem
[20:22:25] <e^ipi> if it's not msdos/fat it won't work
[20:23:29] <WalkingAsterisk> Not sure tbh, i will format it and it try again
[20:24:13] <WalkingAsterisk> Ty for the help
[20:24:51] <kenokabe> WalkingAsterisk, no, I'm the person who use thinkpadx61 tablet and my audio card was recognized just after the instlaion
[20:25:32] <WalkingAsterisk> I must missed the convo, just as i entered you mentioned no audio
[20:27:49] <Asako> what do I have to do to make my .inputrc work?
[20:28:13] <WalkingAsterisk> However im quite impressed that i got a response so quickly after submitting driver problems through the driver utility
[20:28:42] <kenokabe> try Shift+caps
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[20:36:03] <WalkingAsterisk> bbiab.
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[20:38:22] <g4lt-mordant> thanks for the warnin
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[21:02:13] <WalkingAsterisk> Nice, the caps led light is working now.
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[21:09:59] <WalkingAsterisk> How do i manually install a pkg ?
[21:10:30] <Asako> pkgadd
[21:10:45] <WalkingAsterisk> Ty
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[21:36:56] <codestr0m> I need to debug this http://rafb.net/p/VnLcHq34.html it should be simple, but at the same time I need to learn more than $c for mdb.. docs/suggestions on fastest way to jump in?
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[21:39:29] <Cripps> codestr0m, http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-2543?l=en&q=mdb ?
[21:40:12] <codestr0m> Cripps: thanks
[21:40:31] <Cripps> codestr0m, no problem
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[21:47:50] <Cripps> jbk, well, the only bin I could find was "unix" ... but it did have embedded CTF data, which is good ... I am now super-excited because I am 1/3 complete my port of those utils ;) (read: ctfdump worked like a charm)
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[21:49:22] <CosmicDJ> IMHO mdb is way to crufty to debug userland apps; I'd just use dbx
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[21:52:55] <stergios> hey need help, just loaded opensolaris and I am missing drivers and internet connection. Can anyone be of help?
[21:53:36] <g4lt-mordant> not without more specifics
[21:53:59] <e^ipi> a usb key and a trip to murayama's site might
[21:54:04] <e^ipi> http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/
[21:54:07] <stergios> I just installed opensolaris and I can't get online
[21:54:17] <stergios> I have a wired connection
[21:54:23] <g4lt-mordant> what NIC?
[21:54:40] <stergios> I am using a IBM Lonovo think pad T500
[21:54:46] <g4lt-mordant> what NIC?
[21:55:17] <stergios> I will look it up online, hold please
[21:56:47] <moazamraja> probably a broadcom
[21:57:00] <e^ipi> bge's not bad
[21:57:11] <e^ipi> the wired ones suck, but *shrug*
[21:57:14] <stergios> Intel WiFi Link 5100
[21:57:19] <e^ipi> *wireless ones suck
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[21:58:06] <stergios> g4lt-mordant, that is my NIC
[21:58:22] <g4lt-mordant> stergios>	I have a wired connection   stergios>	Intel WiFi Link 5100  which one of these isn't like the other?
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[21:58:58] <stergios> I have neither a wired nor a wireless connect, I can not get online
[21:59:20] <stergios> I am pluged in directly from my router
[21:59:45] <WalkingAsterisk> Have you tried going into the network config ?
[22:00:00] <WalkingAsterisk> system > admin > network
[22:00:11] <stergios> I will be able to tell you in 5 mins, I am reinstalling
[22:00:19] <WalkingAsterisk> Ok
[22:00:41] <e^ipi> you should also look up your wired NIC
[22:00:53] <g4lt-mordant> looks like your wireless card is iwh0
[22:01:03] <WalkingAsterisk> e^ipi: is there something else i need to install for sound ? ... I installed oss and the oss sound test works but the gnome sound control is still crossed out
[22:01:11] <e^ipi> log out
[22:01:12] <stergios> When the install is complete, I will follow your directions... Also, the other issue is my sound card drivers where not being found by the OS.
[22:01:13] <e^ipi> and then back in
[22:01:21] <g4lt-mordant> now if you'll only tell me what your wired card is, I'll tell you what to look for there
[22:01:25] <e^ipi> stergios, install the OSS drivers.
[22:01:42] <stergios> where do I get the OSS drivers?
[22:01:56] <e^ipi> google.com://open+sound+system
[22:02:29] <WalkingAsterisk> Gnome complains No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
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[22:20:25] <g4lt-mordant> hmm, I'm really annoyed now,ste's question prompted me o look for my own wireless issue, and apparently 've had an ath all this time :(
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[22:21:55] <e^ipi> yeah, it's been there for a while
[22:23:08] <g4lt-mordant> well, it's really the first time I've discovered that ath includes the AR5212 as well, so now all  need to do is see why it wasn't automagic for me
[22:24:40] <g4lt-mordant> or not.  mistyped the model name :(
[22:26:36] <stergios> o.k., still no internet, so where do I start?!!??
[22:26:50] <stergios> did the reinstall and no cigar
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[22:28:35] <stergios> o.k., I went to nework in ADmin and I get a message back that says "Cannot be used to configure the network when Network Auto-Magic (NWAM) is enabled
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[22:29:39] <stergios> can any one be of service?
[22:30:17] <WalkingAsterisk> I would suggest asking. And if someone can help you, im confident they will
[22:31:08] <e^ipi> the dladm man page
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[22:31:33] <WalkingAsterisk> stergios: you need to disable it
[22:31:39] <WalkingAsterisk> ill find the command one moment
[22:31:53] <e^ipi> yeah, nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure
[22:31:54] <stergios> guys i just installed opensolaris on my thinkpad t500. I cant get online. when i go to network settings it says cannot be used to confivure network when network auto-magic is enabled
[22:31:58] <e^ipi> alternately, use dladm
[22:32:30] <WalkingAsterisk> svcadm disable svc:/network/physical:nwam
[22:32:30] <WalkingAsterisk> svcadm disable svc:/network/physical:nwam
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[22:34:19] <stergios> ok now im in network settings
[22:34:24] <stergios> everything is empty
[22:34:30] <WalkingAsterisk> Ok, enter in your properties
[22:35:00] <WalkingAsterisk> e^ipi: what mp3 decoder should i use ?
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[22:35:07] <e^ipi> WalkingAsterisk, fluendo one
[22:35:10] <WalkingAsterisk> K
[22:35:28] <stergios> im not sure where to begin
[22:35:41] <WalkingAsterisk> Ok, are you trying to configure wifi or wired ?
[22:35:46] <stergios> both
[22:35:49] <stergios> ill start with wired
[22:36:33] <wdp_notebook> what r u guys doing after installing opensolaris first, i bet bringing networking to work and then updating the system?
[22:36:35] <WalkingAsterisk> you mite try restarting the wamd service. It worked for me
[22:36:55] <WalkingAsterisk> wdp_notebook: Yeah first thing is always internet access for me
[22:37:33] <wdp> got a second box in case i need something
[22:37:40] <wdp> though no x11 here =P
[22:37:43] <stergios> im on my other box right now
[22:37:45] <wdp_notebook> :>
[22:37:49] <stergios> what should i do
[22:37:53] <stergios> im clueless
[22:38:44] <WalkingAsterisk> try running the command i just gave you and change disable to enable. When the box pops up select your wifi access point and enter the password
[22:40:10] <g4lt-mordant> when did zyd get integrated?
[22:40:34] <g4lt-mordant> stergios: what is your wired NIC?
[22:45:23] <stergios> no box popped up
[22:45:52] <WalkingAsterisk> Have you been inside the device driver utility to verify your drivers are installed ?
[22:47:07] <g4lt-mordant> WalkingAsterisk: as of this point, we don't even have full information as to what they're looking at....  let them answer about their wired card first, then we can get wireless working
[22:47:57] <e^ipi> stream of consciousness tends not to be a useful diagnostic tool
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[22:48:46] <e^ipi> unless you're an english person with an amazingly good american accent playing a doctor on the TV
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[22:49:29] <g4lt-mordant> honestly, wired ethernet is much easier to get up, we can come back to dladm and stuff later
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[22:49:38] <stergios> just says integrated network adapter
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[22:50:34] <zimmermanc> e^ipi, well he does like a good diagnostician and tends to not rely on people's answers to their problems and just finds out for himself
[22:50:35] <zimmermanc> :)
[22:51:15] <g4lt-mordant> okay, try ifconfig iwh0 plumb, then look at ifconfig -a to see if you have anything.  gorram wireless only annyways
[22:51:46] <e^ipi> g4lt-mordant, i'm relatively certain he disabled nwam without enabling default a little while back
[22:52:08] <g4lt-mordant> e^ipi: that's why we won't worry about either
[22:52:30] <e^ipi> fair enough
[22:52:56] <g4lt-mordant> if you can't get a NIC up with dladm and ifconfig, nwam won't help you either
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[22:54:58] <g4lt-mordant> however, I'm going to go out on a lmb here and say that if you can somehow figure out the wired NIC, we'd both be happier people, as you can then drop the dladm stuff
[22:56:26] <stergios> i just want a simple wired internet connection, every other linux distro i have installed gave me one immediately
[22:56:30] <WalkingAsterisk> OSS is installed and working fluendo mp3 support is installed and plays an mp3. But i have no sound control - so i have no sound :)
[22:56:32] <stergios> i dont understand why this is
[22:57:19] <g4lt-mordant> stergios: because solaris ain' linux.  it's more like BSD, which means tat your ethernet interface isn't genericized to eth0 like a decent OS should
[22:57:48] <WalkingAsterisk> Anyone know what i need to install to get volume control ?
[22:57:53] <stergios> what should i do ?
[22:58:03] <g4lt-mordant> I'd rather see iwh0, ath0, hme0, etc so that *I* can define which interface does what
[22:58:14] <stergios> i dont know what any of this means
[22:58:28] <g4lt-mordant> find out what chipset's in your wired NIC for starters
[22:58:44] <stergios> its an intel integrated one
[22:58:50] <g4lt-mordant> or ifconfig iwh0 plumb and check it like I said earlier
[22:58:59] <g4lt-mordant> inter.  try iprb0
[22:59:16] <g4lt-mordant> (iprb == etherexpress 100)
[23:00:14] <stergios> where do i type that
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[23:00:43] <g4lt-mordant> ifconfig iprb0 plumb
[23:00:47] <g4lt-mordant> see what you get
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[23:01:17] <stergios> dlpi link does not exist
[23:01:42] <g4lt-mordant> okay, it's agigabit, which I don't have memorized, and my solaris box is at home
[23:02:04] <g4lt-mordant> try e1000g
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[23:03:11] <stergios> nothing
[23:03:15] <g4lt-mordant> if it's a e1000g, you're totally golden, the e1000g has been supported on X86 for years
[23:03:25] <g4lt-mordant> ifconfig -a and see if it's showing
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[23:03:47] <stergios> i typed ifconfig e1000g plumb
[23:03:54] <g4lt-mordant> if it failed to fail with the dlpi error, you're halfway there
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[23:04:17] <g4lt-mordant> right ifconig -a shows all interfaces that it can find
[23:04:21] <stergios> invalid
[23:05:01] <stergios> when i type in ifconfig -a
[23:05:05] <stergios> it gives me a ton of stuff
[23:05:23] <g4lt-mordant> like?
[23:05:25] <stergios> inet 127.0.01 netmask ff......
[23:05:42] <stergios> lo0 flags...
[23:05:49] <g4lt-mordant> under e1000g?
[23:06:05] <stergios> no i typed ifconfig -a
[23:06:23] <stergios> the e1000g didnt do anything
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[23:07:19] <g4lt-mordant> okay, now you really need to pt the five things you've told me in context.  it looks like you have lo0 up, which is a good thing, are you getting ANYTHING AT ALL else from ifconfig -a?
[23:07:45] <stergios> i cant copy and paste since im on an onother pc
[23:07:50] <stergios> when i type ifconfig -a
[23:07:54] <stergios> it says
[23:08:40] <stergios> lo0: flags=2001000849<up, loopback, running, multicast, ipv4, virtual>mtu 8232 index
[23:08:54] <g4lt-mordant> nothing else?
[23:09:04] <stergios> inet 127.0.0.1 netmask f000000
[23:09:14] <g4lt-mordant> oka, that refers to lo
[23:09:21] <stergios> inet6
[23:09:27] <stergios> ::1/128
[23:09:37] <g4lt-mordant> ...also referrin to lo0
[23:09:42] <g4lt-mordant> anything else?
[23:09:51] <stergios> no
[23:10:14] <g4lt-mordant> okay, and no result from the plumb?  we may have something here
[23:10:40] <g4lt-mordant> for wired, do you have a dhcp server, or were you going to assign an IP?
[23:10:59] <stergios> i have no idea, its plugged in to my cable model lol
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[23:11:42] <g4lt-mordant> this iis NOT a laughing matter
[23:11:56] <stergios> sorry...
[23:12:12] <g4lt-mordant> how did you get it to work under linux if you didn't know if it was dhcp or static?
[23:12:32] <stergios> it just worked. i installed ubuntu and the connection was already up, same with opensuse
[23:12:41] <stergios> i didnt have to set anything up
[23:12:45] <g4lt-mordant> I KNOW linux hasn't genericized the IP address
[23:13:16] <stergios> the only reason i got rid of them was cause i would boot up after the install and they would say no screens found or sometheing and the startx command did nothing for me
[23:13:17] <g4lt-mordant> okay, then it must be DHCP.  try ifconfig e1000g auto-dhcp
[23:13:24] <stergios> k one sec
[23:13:58] <stergios> interface does not exist or cannot be managed using dhcp
[23:14:10] <g4lt-mordant> FRACK
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[23:15:16] <g4lt-mordant> do this for me and tell me if you get anythign: prtconf -v | grep pci8086
[23:16:32] <stergios> gave me a ton of stuff
[23:16:54] <g4lt-mordant> this is good, that's all your intel stuff on your mainboard
[23:17:03] <stergios> ok
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[23:18:35] <WalkingAsterisk> Im using pkgadd -d osspkg to install oss, however its not staying installed when i reboot the devices are gone
[23:18:59] <WalkingAsterisk> /dev/mixer and /dev/dsp vanish
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[23:20:23] <eviljames> WalkingAsterisk: Probably need to add something to your start up process to load those kernel modules.
[23:20:33] <WalkingAsterisk> Hmm.
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[23:21:08] <_delirium> Hmmm... just tried to install OpenSolaris 2008.11rc2 and it doesnt get past the "Detecting device nodes..." bit. Any ideas?
[23:22:33] <stergios> g4lt-mordant, and more ideas?
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[23:26:27] <g4lt-mordant> well, the failure to fail on e100gis good, what ISN'T good is the failure to bring the NIC up
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[23:27:00] <g4lt-mordant> and I really doubt you've stuffed things up badly enough to disable dhcp client
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[23:27:32] <eviljames> stergios: is the dhcp client running?
[23:27:35] <g4lt-mordant> but if you know of a free IP to play with, we can try manually
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[23:28:18] <g4lt-mordant> we're not looking for anything that will be permanent or anythign, just something to test with
[23:28:45] <g4lt-mordant> for example, are the res of your computers assigned IPs in the 10.X.X.X range or 192.169.X.X range?
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[23:28:55] <g4lt-mordant> 192.168 even
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[23:29:21] <eviljames> stergios: svcs -x -v physical:nwam
[23:30:11] <g4lt-mordant> eviljames: CLUE dhcp client doesn't require WAM
[23:31:17] <eviljames> g4lt-mordant: Are you certain?  This service is network interface autoconfiguration.
[23:31:41] <g4lt-mordant> in fact NWA is a gldv3 integration thing, while ifconfig <interface> auto-dhcp is a sol7ish thing
[23:32:35] * g4lt-mordant has been runnin "ifconfig eri0 auto-dhcp" since I bought my grover in 2002ish
[23:33:37] <g4lt-mordant> and no, to answer the unasked question, eri0 won't work on your system ste
[23:33:47] <g4lt-mordant> bah
[23:33:51] <g4lt-mordant> and no, to answer the unasked question, eri0 won't work on your system stergios
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[23:36:49] <g4lt-mordant> I'm pretty sure we're looking at e1000g, but how we're failing is an interesting question
[23:37:08] * g4lt-mordant curses the -work part of my nic, at home, I'd have manpages to help
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[23:39:04] <g4lt-mordant> in fact, I may do that...
[23:39:27] <g4lt-mordant> tell you waht, I'm heading home, I'll log in from there and see if we can't help
[23:39:38] <eviljames> I thought the point of using SMF was for self-healing and intelligent diagnostics...
[23:39:59] <g4lt-mordant> well, yeah, but since we have neither here, we go with what we ahve
[23:40:04] <g4lt-mordant> adios
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[23:49:06] <_delirium> Okay during the boot of install for 2008.11rc2 it stops at "Probing for device nodes...", using -kv boot params, I can see that it stops at sd0 i.e. my primary hard disk... is there anything I can do - its a standard oldish Maxtor 120GB SATA harddisk. I guess its more likely the SATA controller it doesnt like??? any ideas anyone???
[23:49:06] <_delirium> Okay during the boot of install for 2008.11rc2 it stops at "Probing for device nodes...", using -kv boot params, I can see that it stops at sd0 i.e. my primary hard disk... is there anything I can do - its a standard oldish Maxtor 120GB SATA harddisk. I guess its more likely the SATA controller it doesnt like??? any ideas anyone???
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[23:53:31] <_delirium> i have a MSI motherboard with an AMD 790FX Chipset
[23:54:04] <Auralis_> [disable the chipset raid and try again
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[23:58:19] <_delirium> Auralis_ raid isnt enabled
[23:59:03] <Auralis_> play around a bit with sata/ide enulation options?
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[23:59:23] <leleobhz> hello!
[23:59:37] <_delirium> Auralis_ okay thanks, will try that - otherwise i guess its just a non-option to install opensolaris
[23:59:40] <leleobhz> im reading about solaris services management, and i have problem
[23:59:57] <leleobhz> i have instaled apache and mysql in my opensolaris, but i dont know how to activate it





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