November 26, 2008 
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November 26, 2008 [00:00:24] *** cecere has joined #opensolaris [00:00:29] *** cecere has quit IRC [00:00:34] <codestr0m> h3sp4wn: port open64. gcc frontend and pathscale backend.. I can give you my notes :) [00:00:42] <codestr0m> best of both worlds. as long as you're not on sparc [00:04:42] *** Asako has quit IRC [00:11:42] <codestr0m> How can I clean this up [00:11:43] <codestr0m> rpool UNAVAIL insufficient replicas c4t0d0s1 UNAVAIL corrupted data [00:11:52] <codestr0m> can't import to destroy [00:12:40] *** hsp has quit IRC [00:15:07] *** artiflo has quit IRC [00:17:25] *** AxeZ has quit IRC [00:18:02] *** vicmackey has quit IRC [00:21:25] *** rno has joined #opensolaris [00:21:30] <rno> Hi there [00:22:06] <rno> I'm using virtualbox [00:22:25] <rno> but I feel like I'm running the wrong version because I can't find any usb option [00:22:37] <rno> any idea? [00:22:54] <zimmermanc> usb option? [00:22:59] <rno> yeah [00:23:08] <zimmermanc> what do you mean by that [00:23:10] <rno> I've got an external hd [00:23:23] <zimmermanc> did you attach it in virtualbox? [00:23:31] <rno> that the things [00:23:41] <rno> can't see any option in the GUI [00:23:48] <rno> is it CLI based only? [00:23:55] <zimmermanc> in vbox not solaris [00:24:09] <rno> yeah [00:24:23] <rno> if I do a format I can see my drive [00:24:31] <rno> but can't see it in the Vbox [00:24:37] <rno> but can't find the option [00:24:58] *** pipes has quit IRC [00:25:16] <zimmermanc> what host [00:25:34] <rno> Got a linux running [00:25:38] <rno> in my VB [00:26:13] <zimmermanc> ... [00:26:23] <zimmermanc> linux is the host or the guest? [00:26:27] <rno> guest [00:26:29] <Stric> what OS on the outside, and what OS on the inside? also, what version of Virtualbox? the open sourced one or the non-opensourced? [00:26:34] <rno> the host is Opensolaris [00:26:41] <rno> 2.06 [00:26:44] <rno> 2.0.6 [00:26:46] <seanmcg> usb isn't supported yet in the host. [00:26:54] <seanmcg> usb pass through that is :( [00:27:29] <rno> hold on [00:27:42] <rno> I can see my usb drive on my Solaris box [00:28:06] <seanmcg> sure, but not in the guest... [00:28:18] <rno> Yeah true [00:28:28] <seanmcg> I ment to mean usb pass-through in vb for solaris host isn't there yet [00:28:41] <rno> Ha!!!!!!!! [00:28:48] <rno> hmmm [00:28:58] <rno> Ok this USB drive [00:29:09] <rno> has a Truecrypt FS [00:29:13] <seanmcg> well its not in 2.0.4 and nothing in the 2.0.6 changelogs to suggest it is there either. [00:29:22] <rno> and I can see it in format [00:29:38] <rno> is there a way to import a disk in VM [00:29:41] *** dustman_ has quit IRC [00:29:46] <Stric> copy the whole disk [00:29:53] <rno> Stric [00:29:57] <rno> you know what [00:30:02] <rno> it's a fucking good idea [00:30:06] <rno> I will DD it [00:30:26] <seanmcg> I think VBox may have tools to do that already.. [00:30:31] <seanmcg> google helps there [00:30:38] <rno> 500G might take for ever [00:30:47] <rno> I've been looking on google [00:30:57] <Stric> VBoxManage convertdd [-static] <filename> <outputfile> [00:31:03] <rno> but I end up thinking I wasn't running the right version of vm [00:31:06] <rno> vb [00:31:20] <rno> thx guys [00:31:23] <Auralis_> export the usb per nfs on solaris and import on the linux guest? [00:31:34] *** rno has quit IRC [00:31:50] <Stric> Auralis_: truecrypt fs.. it's encrypted.. [00:32:02] *** rno has joined #opensolaris [00:32:02] <Auralis_> ah well [00:32:12] <rno> Sorry xchat just crash [00:32:19] <rno> ed [00:32:42] <rno> Auralis_ not sure about the nfs export [00:32:57] <rno> I could give a try won't hurt [00:33:01] <Stric> won't work [00:33:05] <Stric> .. I think [00:33:12] *** mega has quit IRC [00:33:23] <rno> it's what I'm thinking [00:33:36] <rno> because truecrypt has to see the dev [00:33:44] * Stric heads to bed [00:33:57] <rno> convertdd should do [00:34:05] <rno> Night stric [00:35:33] <seanmcg> truecrypto is opensource, one could port it :) [00:37:05] *** mikefut has quit IRC [00:38:51] *** kim0 has quit IRC [00:38:59] <rno> yeah... [00:39:02] <zimmermanc> is there a gdm config utility? trying to figure out what wm i'm running [00:39:06] <zimmermanc> and perhaps change it [00:39:18] <zimmermanc> i don't see any /etc/X11/gdm/sessions directory [00:39:52] <rno> wm? [00:39:55] <seanmcg> gdm doesn't have anything to do with the wm. If you're running gnome, then you're using metacity window manager [00:40:27] <rno> svcprop gdm [00:40:28] <seanmcg> the window manager is changed with the gconf tools like gconf-editor [00:40:34] <rno> will give you more info [00:40:55] <seanmcg> zimmermanc, /usr/share/gdm [00:41:04] <zimmermanc> window manager [00:41:11] <rno> yeah got it [00:41:13] <zimmermanc> sry [00:41:20] <rno> use svcprop gdm [00:41:21] <zimmermanc> just read what you guys said [00:41:46] *** bubbva has quit IRC [00:42:06] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris [00:42:40] *** jteo has quit IRC [00:42:54] <zimmermanc> seanmcg, well considering removing gnome desktop entirely [00:43:00] <zimmermanc> reason i asked [00:43:20] <rno> I would not do that [00:43:31] <rno> what's the point ? [00:44:07] <seanmcg> zimmermanc, then you may want to look at adding a different session type with gdm right ? [00:44:21] <zimmermanc> ya, to run icewm or openbox rno [00:44:32] <zimmermanc> no need for all the gnome stuff [00:44:38] <rno> just install the package [00:44:41] <rno> then [00:44:43] <seanmcg> I've done that to add plain twm session [00:44:48] <rno> svcadm disable gdm [00:44:55] <rno> do your conf [00:44:59] <rno> and startx [00:45:35] <e^ipi> no startx. [00:45:36] <rno> i'v installed vindowmaker and run it into vncserver [00:45:40] <rno> or xinit [00:45:49] <e^ipi> just toss it in gdm [00:45:53] <seanmcg> zimmermanc, google 'add session to gdm' or the like. the howto etc for linux/*bsd would be the same for solaris, just some paths may differ [00:45:56] <rno> could do [00:46:03] <e^ipi> it's really stupid easy [00:46:07] <rno> did not play much with gdm [00:46:25] <e^ipi> a .desktop file is just a script [00:46:37] <e^ipi> and gdm autodetects them if they're in the right spot [00:46:49] <rno> fair enough [00:46:55] <rno> SMF is so nice [00:47:10] <eviljames> rno: So very, very, very true. [00:47:19] <eviljames> SMF is exceptionally nice, I Find. [00:47:28] <rno> it's just perfect [00:47:30] <rno> clean [00:47:34] <rno> and "WORKING" [00:48:25] <eviljames> And it demolishes rc.* scripts. I'm surprised that SMF hasn't seen a ton of replicants. [00:48:34] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris [00:48:39] <rno> yeah true [00:48:45] <eviljames> I was sad to watch the google talk on smf... it looked like nobody showed up for her very informative (if not very dry) discussion of smf. [00:48:56] <e^ipi> eviljames: it also eliminates conf files largely [00:49:00] <Aria> Heh. Oy. [00:49:01] <e^ipi> or can [00:49:08] <Aria> Yeah. I'm really looking forward to porting SMF around. [00:49:16] <Aria> I know a linux distro who it'd be a very good fit for. [00:49:17] <rno> you still have the starting script [00:49:25] <rno> and have to load XML [00:49:38] <rno> but manage service is much better [00:49:39] <rno> and [00:49:40] <rno> and [00:49:41] <rno> and [00:49:43] <rno> svcs -x [00:49:45] <rno> what else! [00:49:47] <Aria> Yes. Exactly. [00:49:50] <eviljames> Aria: Slackware. [00:49:53] <Aria> And multiple instances. [00:49:55] <Aria> eviljames: PLD [00:49:57] <eviljames> Aria: In my eyes, there are no other distros. [00:50:07] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC [00:50:10] <Aria> Hehe. Ditto, only the other way 'round [00:50:17] <rno> no need to use respawn in /etc/inittab [00:50:25] <rno> or dodgy crontab [00:50:35] <rno> and dependencies [00:50:39] <Aria> Exactly. [00:50:52] <rno> But just for sake of it [00:50:54] <dep> or pidfiles [00:51:03] <rno> I have to say ZFS [00:51:07] <eviljames> Aria: I am going to try PLD. I hadn't ever looked at it before. [00:51:33] <seanmcg> zimmermanc, man gdm shows /usr/share/sessions for the .desktop files for gdm, just copy one of them, change it, svcadm restart gdm and you should be good [00:52:16] <Aria> Let me know what you think. I'm pretty proud of it. [00:52:32] <eviljames> Aria: It's yours? [00:52:41] <Aria> I develop for it, yes. [00:52:47] <Aria> I didn't start it. [00:52:49] <rno> what ? [00:53:07] <Aria> But well-integrated. Borrows a lot of good ideas from Solaris, a lot from Debian. Doesn't go for shell-script-plumbing like Debian does. [00:53:42] <zimmermanc> seanmcg, thanks i was looking in /etc/X11/gdm, completely wrong place [00:55:25] <eviljames> Aria: Interesting. I've been trying to go more and more minimalist in my distros. I started on slack, around the same time PLD was getting started, have tried everything people recommended to me since. [00:56:10] * Aria nods. [00:56:15] <Aria> I like it in that it's modular enough to be light. [00:56:18] <eviljames> Aria: It seems like a lot of other distros are moving towards the get-in-your-way style of a certain MS operating system. [00:56:20] *** acruz has joined #opensolaris [00:56:25] <Aria> I like it in that they don't go overboard and make a dozen variations on everything. [00:56:28] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris [00:56:31] * Aria nods at eviljames. Indeed. [00:56:55] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris [00:58:22] <eviljames> Aria: I immediately took notice of the first sentence on the pld-linux page, "manual tweaking in exchange for much flexibility"... that sounds compelling. [00:58:49] *** rno has quit IRC [00:58:57] <eviljames> anyhow, I've wandered o/t here... [01:02:04] *** The-spiki has quit IRC [01:02:31] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris [01:05:07] <eviljames> Aria: It's 13 discs? [01:06:13] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [01:06:46] <Aria> eviljames, sure, if you wanna download it all. I use the CRI installer, which just makes a chroot and lets you go from there. [01:06:51] <Aria> (install from FTP) [01:06:54] [01:07:48] <dep> Aria: if you give porting smf a shot and run into problems (or success :), please drop us a line on smf-discuss. we'd love to hear about it/help [01:07:59] <Aria> Will do then. [01:08:45] <Pontus12> DIE [01:08:52] <Pontus12> :D [01:08:54] <dep> I don't know if it's a good starting point or not, but someone posted about something called "SMFLite" which was a basic SMF reimplementation they created for linux [01:08:56] <eviljames> Aria: If you wanted to make it a little more generic, not pld-specific I wouldn't mind having SMF on slack. [01:09:09] <eviljames> Aria: and I'll be happy to contribute. [01:09:10] <Aria> It wouldn't be PLD-specific, that's sure. [01:09:51] <eviljames> Well, different distros use different init-style. [01:11:00] <eviljames> dep: That's good to know, I'm going to investigate. [01:12:06] <dep> unfortunately, there's more tease than code in the email; I have no idea where the implementation is [01:12:20] <zimmermanc> i modified the mac4lin script to work on opensolaris [01:12:22] <zimmermanc> lol [01:12:41] <zimmermanc> in case anyone was wanting mac on their solaris box ;) [01:12:52] <zimmermanc> i know you ALL were [01:13:45] *** zarqman has joined #opensolaris [01:13:50] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [01:14:52] *** Rarok has left #opensolaris [01:15:49] <eviljames> zimmermanc: clearly, there is high demand :) [01:17:51] *** borgeois has joined #opensolaris [01:18:40] *** Pontus12 has quit IRC [01:18:55] *** pipes has joined #opensolaris [01:19:27] *** pipes has quit IRC [01:22:33] *** boyd_ has joined #opensolaris [01:29:13] *** boyd has quit IRC [01:29:27] *** windswept has joined #opensolaris [01:29:50] *** djgregor is now known as evil_djgregor [01:30:03] *** evil_djgregor is now known as djgregor [01:32:03] *** cast has quit IRC [01:33:43] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [01:34:31] <windswept> I am looking to find out the following. If you say that you want to use the whole disk for solaris and then say that you want to use only part of it for the zfs pool. what is the deal with the rest of the disk [01:35:09] <seanmcg> the whole disk is in the zpool right ? [01:35:21] <seanmcg> then zfs filesystems from that pool [01:35:44] <seanmcg> zfs filesystems are cheap, create multiple (even thousands) from a single pool. [01:37:09] <windswept> I am not sure what it did with the rest of the disk. http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1267107 [01:37:10] <seanmcg> each zfs filesystem would use 'the whole disk' as the disk is within the pool. i.e. all the zfs filesystems have their data on the one pool [01:37:52] <windswept> the one issue that I am from the old schools and thought that I should keep my data and operating system apart. [01:38:08] <seanmcg> zfs changes that idea [01:38:08] <asyd> windswept: u6 or sxce? [01:38:51] <seanmcg> what does zpool status -v tell you ? It looks like you're using a slice of the disk for the zpool [01:39:02] <c00p> asyd: how prod is the box ? [01:39:08] <c00p> and what do u want to do ? [01:39:15] <windswept> sorry I am a renewer so I don't know the current slang. (this is solaris 10 with the 10/8 version) [01:39:15] *** comay has quit IRC [01:40:20] <asyd> c00p: for examples, zonepaths in a different zpool than the root one (rpool) is not supported in u6 [01:40:32] <asyd> so if you don't care about the support... [01:40:35] <windswept> the status is both partitions c1t0d0s0 and c1t1d0s0 [01:40:50] *** Teo` has quit IRC [01:41:38] <c00p> pretty much - I have the same situation at work where features of opensolaris are worth it more to me than support ... [01:42:02] <windswept> I would like it so that I have one pool for root swap var usr and a different pool where I will have the data [01:42:04] <seanmcg> windswept, so you created the pool with 'zpool create apool c1t0d0s0 c1t1d0s0 ? i..e using slice 0 from two disks [01:42:15] <c00p> and I have 2 x4500's to do the job - one as a backup so if all hell goes wrong I can swap to the stable one [01:42:33] <seanmcg> windswept, nah, use one pool and then multiple zfs filesystems from that pool [01:44:11] <windswept> seanmcg nope. I used the installer in zfs mode (selection 3 I believe of solaris X) and told it that yes I want to use these two drives fully and when it asked how large I told it 40960 Meg) [01:46:11] <windswept> so you believe that I can just do a zpool create apool c1t0d0s7 c1t1d0s7 and that will then create another pool for the rest of the drive? [01:46:19] <seanmcg> windswept, ok, you have one zpool from two slices of two disks. you can create different zfs filesystems from that zpool for /usr, /var etc [01:46:38] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [01:46:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay [01:46:53] <seanmcg> windswept,, yes. but I'd still stick with one pool instead of multiple. [01:47:25] *** zimmermanc has quit IRC [01:48:03] <seanmcg> the pool is where all the physical disks live and are managed with the zpool command. The actual filesystems are kind of seperated from the management of the disks with the zfs command [01:48:12] <windswept> seanmcg issues that seemed funky. I have var on the poolr but it is not a separate slice what would be the best way to make it one. [01:48:21] <seanmcg> 'one pool to rule them all' as some say. [01:49:14] <windswept> If I wanted to do that would I have to reinstall from scratch? [01:49:22] <seanmcg> yup [01:49:30] <seanmcg> I think.. [01:49:56] <seanmcg> it maybe possible to grow the pool, if its a mirrored pool me thinks. [01:50:14] <windswept> then the two pools is probably the best from where I stand. (the owner of the machine does not want to use zones) [01:50:40] <seanmcg> I'd still have one pool myself. less management. [01:51:02] <seanmcg> but pools have nothing to do with zones, why bring that up ?-) [01:53:27] <acruz> windswept: not if you have two HDs, but *backup* your stuff [01:54:31] <windswept> seanmcg I would think that would be one of the big reasons to use a single pool [01:55:35] <seanmcg> zones don't care where they live :). later, heading now. [02:00:47] *** borgeois has quit IRC [02:04:27] *** piwi has quit IRC [02:04:39] *** zimmermanc has joined #opensolaris [02:04:54] <zimmermanc> is there a way to tell what package a file belongs to? [02:05:26] <alanc> IPS: pkg search filename [02:05:58] <alanc> SVR4: pkgchk -l -p filename [02:06:14] <alanc> (assuming the file is currently installed on the system by a package) [02:06:17] <sladegen> hmmm, so i removed some packages but df reports less empty space... [02:06:42] <zimmermanc> ok svr4 must be the old install method, because i've never used that [02:06:56] <sladegen> is it normal? or am i crazy? [02:07:10] *** cypromis has quit IRC [02:08:31] <alanc> SVR4 is Solaris 2 through Solaris 10, and Solaris Express, IPS is OpenSolaris 2008.05 & 2008.11 [02:10:52] <zimmermanc> oh ok, weird this install is asking for pkg-config heh [02:11:51] <alanc> pkg-config is a tool used with lots of autoconf scripts for building open source, separate from either packaging system [02:12:37] *** windswept has left #opensolaris [02:12:49] *** dougsk has quit IRC [02:12:50] *** esok has quit IRC [02:12:59] *** dougsk has joined #opensolaris [02:14:44] <zimmermanc> yeah i'm trying to build avant with jds-cbe [02:14:58] <zimmermanc> it's tricky [02:23:59] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [02:27:40] *** Aria has quit IRC [02:28:44] *** stevel_ has quit IRC [02:29:17] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [02:31:12] <zimmermanc> you know i installed solaris to get a feel for it, but if older versions use pkgchk i almost feel like i should be using those. i imagine most jobs i would get working with solaris would be running 8-9 [02:37:08] *** bourgois has quit IRC [02:38:32] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [02:38:50] <piwi> where do i set path for non interactive shell? [02:43:46] *** piwi has quit IRC [02:46:26] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris [02:47:56] <alanc> zimmermanc: hopefully few people are hiring for Solaris 8 still, since it hits the "no more patches built" phase of support in a few months [02:49:17] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [02:52:39] *** pumpkin_ has joined #opensolaris [02:56:53] <zimmermanc> this may sound like a dumb question, but i'm using jds-cbe here to build avant and it seems like i'm slowly building out an entire gnu installation in /opt/dtlbd . Given I have all the requirements installed via package. Is there not a standard way for trying to build an IPS package. Something that relies solely on sun packages? [02:58:35] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [02:58:56] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [02:59:08] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [03:03:14] *** jtmuzix has joined #opensolaris [03:09:03] *** koberoi has quit IRC [03:09:59] *** tarbo has quit IRC [03:10:05] *** Odin- has quit IRC [03:12:10] *** niq has quit IRC [03:13:13] *** jsoftw has joined #Opensolaris [03:13:49] <jsoftw> I want to run solaris is a slim dom0 on a machine with 2gig of ram. Nothing fancy. How much ram will opensolaris need to run (I want to use as little as possible), and how much HDD ? [03:14:10] *** jtmuzix has quit IRC [03:14:22] *** scientes has joined #opensolaris [03:14:28] <scientes> is there any open source only release? [03:14:39] <bda> OpenSolaris. [03:15:23] <scientes> OpenSolaris Binary License [03:15:43] <scientes> i dont consider that open source if you cant see the source [03:15:46] <bda> CDDL is certified by FSF blah blah blah, and all the source is opened. [03:15:47] <scientes> kinda oxymoronic [03:16:17] <bda> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/ [03:18:01] *** acruz has quit IRC [03:18:05] *** zarqman has quit IRC [03:18:38] <scientes> thz [03:18:54] *** scientes has left #opensolaris [03:19:43] <e^ipi> what a tool... [03:19:47] <bda> shrug. [03:20:08] <bda> Kids. [03:20:09] <bda> :) [03:24:04] <jsoftw> Has anyone had any experience with p400i raid controllers? [03:24:09] <jsoftw> any _good_ experiences? [03:24:30] *** prav33n has quit IRC [03:28:51] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris [03:29:00] *** mbz has joined #opensolaris [03:29:22] <e^ipi> ugh, i regret agreeing to install solaris on a t1000 for one of my profs [03:29:31] <e^ipi> this is crazy loud, and in my apartment [03:29:36] <bda> That sucks. [03:29:48] <bda> Should have just built him a Jumpstart image in Fusion or something. :) [03:30:04] <e^ipi> should've, didn't [03:30:34] <e^ipi> that's okay, joke's on him... he doesn't have a rack and figures he can just keep it in his office [03:30:40] <bda> ha. [03:30:52] <bda> That will make office hours fun for both him and his students. [03:31:24] <e^ipi> "WHAT!?" "I SAID *I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER TO QUESTION 3*" "WHAT?!" [03:31:54] *** bahumbug has quit IRC [03:32:09] <bda> Courier is shitting on me again. It accepts all sorts of garbage and Cyrus is understandably saying "What is this garbage?" [03:32:13] <jsoftw> Just wire the fans still. Its the most elegant solution. [03:32:22] <jsoftw> Get some screw drivers or other things to jam in there. [03:32:26] <jsoftw> Perfect. [03:32:59] *** comay has quit IRC [03:33:53] <e^ipi> hey, i didn't pay for it, it's university property [03:34:07] <bda> I don't imagine you'd do that to something you did pay for anymore. :P [03:34:51] <zimmermanc> hrm, i think i screwed the pooch. is there a pkgconfig on your guy's systems in /usr/bin ? all of a sudden my machine can't find packages in /usr/lib/pkgconfig [03:35:20] <bda> I don't even have a pooch. [03:36:14] <zimmermanc> ;) [03:38:03] *** RavenSlay3r has left #opensolaris [03:38:40] <e^ipi> i wonder how long until the prof is begging the network german for a spare RU to get rid of this thing [03:39:17] <bda> The moment he turns it on would be my guess. [03:40:28] <zimmermanc> and said german refusing to put such a noisy object in his dc [03:40:30] <zimmermanc> :D [03:41:11] <e^ipi> data closet? [03:41:18] <zimmermanc> datacenter? [03:41:29] <e^ipi> it's a university [03:41:35] <e^ipi> it's not a center, it's a closet [03:41:36] <zimmermanc> mini datacenter [03:41:38] <zimmermanc> :) [03:42:12] *** bacon000 has left #opensolaris [03:42:14] <bda> Heh, Drexel has a datacenter. So does UPenn. [03:42:27] <e^ipi> yeah, but those are actually good universities [03:42:29] <bda> Where in West Bumfuck are you again? ;) [03:42:44] <e^ipi> go to vancouver, then point your car north and drive for 9 hours [03:42:49] <e^ipi> there. [03:43:12] <bda> Heh. [03:43:38] <zimmermanc> wow [03:44:05] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [03:44:24] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [03:44:37] <e^ipi> luckily i get to go back home to van. soon [03:44:40] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [03:44:53] <e^ipi> not soon enough, but less than 6 months and i'm getting the hell out of here [03:45:09] <bda> What are you doing there anyway? [03:45:15] <e^ipi> school [03:45:23] <bda> aha [03:45:34] <e^ipi> decided 'you know what'd be fun, living in a small town for a couple years [03:45:37] <e^ipi> it's not fun. [03:45:52] <bda> Wow. Someone just signed up with a dialup account. [03:46:00] <e^ipi> it's not even the same as living in the suburbs because at least then you can take a bus and be somewhere interesting [03:46:00] <bda> No, it's not fun. [03:46:07] <bda> I lived in a small town for 13 years. It sucks fat butt. [03:46:17] <e^ipi> well, now i know [03:46:27] <bda> A useful bit of info. [03:46:39] <bda> H wants to raise our theoretical kids in the city. Not sure I'm sold on the idea. [03:46:51] <jbk> heh [03:46:56] <jbk> small towns suck [03:47:07] <jbk> triple if they're in the midwest [03:47:33] <bda> Indeed. [03:47:55] * jsoftw likes living in the wop wops [03:48:01] * jsoftw likes not big towns/cities [03:48:05] <zimmermanc> e^ipi, Ms Lorea's College Of Esthetics & Nail Technology ? [03:48:30] <bda> The.. wops wops? [03:48:32] <pumpkin_> is there a chart anywhere that shows read/write performance, probability of data loss, and number of disks in your raidz(2) set? [03:48:36] <jbk> guess where i'm going tomorrow? :) [03:48:48] <jsoftw> bda: in the country, ie, away from town [03:48:49] <jsoftw> remote. [03:49:15] <bda> We call that bumfuck or bumblefuck around these here parts. [03:49:23] <bda> But us city dwellers ain't got no moral sense not to be cursin'. [03:49:33] *** photon_chac has joined #opensolaris [03:49:41] <e^ipi> zimmermanc: fuck you. ;) [03:49:56] <bda> jbk: Somewhere left of the middle. [03:50:03] <zimmermanc> haha [03:50:06] * zimmermanc is coming to visit [03:50:23] <zimmermanc> alright trying to build avant for 3hrs now [03:50:24] <zimmermanc> i give up [03:50:26] <jbk> at least i'll be getting good pizza on the way there [03:50:27] <zimmermanc> sigh [03:50:43] *** syamajala has quit IRC [03:51:47] <jsoftw> bda: bumbfuck or bumblefuck? :| [03:51:54] <jsoftw> bda: where the bollocks do you live then? [03:52:48] *** bourgois has joined #opensolaris [03:52:57] <zimmermanc> nobody cares where i live? [03:53:24] <jsoftw> zimmermanc: ok, where do you live then. [03:53:31] <zimmermanc> lansing [03:53:44] <zimmermanc> no place special [03:53:51] <jbk> michigan or illinois? [03:53:56] <zimmermanc> michigan [03:54:14] <jbk> ahh, so no schoops for you then :) [03:54:55] <bda> jsoftw: Philadelphia. [03:55:30] <jsoftw> Hmm ok. [03:55:46] <jsoftw> Is all that redneck stuff actually true over in the states then? [03:55:48] *** Gman has quit IRC [03:56:06] <bda> Guess it depends on what you mean by 'redneck stuff'. [03:56:10] <jbk> you'll have to be more specific [03:56:12] <bda> But probably yes. [03:56:30] <jsoftw> You know. That.. redneck stuff. [03:56:46] *** aquanaut has quit IRC [03:56:47] <bda> We call most of PA "Pensyltucky". Outside the big cities it's all Deer Hunter and shit. [03:57:02] <jsoftw> Specifically the bigoted, racist, un-thinking variety of people who live in the wop wops. [03:57:03] <bda> And the 'burgh is .. dubious. [03:57:24] <bda> jsoftw: "wop wop" is a weird term. WOP means Without Papers. It's a derogatory term for Italian immigrants. [03:57:42] <jsoftw> Well its a kiwi term for in the middle of nowhere. [03:57:51] <bda> Also, hey. We overwhelmingly elected a black president. [03:57:53] *** piwi has quit IRC [03:57:55] <jbk> yeah, that's about right [03:57:57] <bda> So most of us are doing something right. [03:58:02] <bda> (finally) [03:58:29] <jsoftw> it was extremely close really. If it was not for that fruity bix electorial college thing you guys have, it would have been more obvious [03:58:36] <jbk> that pretty much describes where i grew up [03:58:40] <CIA-27> Suhasini Peddada <Suhasini.Peddada at Sun dot COM>: backout 6730161: needs more work [03:58:40] <CIA-27> Quaker Fang <Quaker.Fang at Sun dot COM>: 6708829 ral needs to support Suspend/Resume, 6775915 rum driver failed to connect to WPA access point sometimes [03:58:41] <CIA-27> Jack Meng <Jack.Meng at Sun dot COM>: 6759437 I/O stuck on initiator [03:59:04] <jsoftw> Ahh of course. Trust Jack Meng to have his IO stuck on initiater. [03:59:21] <bda> Heh. [03:59:45] <jsoftw> What about that hoo-har about obama not presenting his birth certificate? [04:00:01] <jsoftw> Whats up with that then? Can we put on our tin foil hats now? [04:00:05] <bda> You have a lot of weird words. We should send you to some sort of weird word asylum. [04:00:16] <jsoftw> You're the weirdo. [04:01:12] <jsoftw> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wop+wops [04:01:13] <jsoftw> : [04:01:14] <jsoftw> :D [04:01:25] <jsoftw> The authority on proper english :D [04:01:30] <bda> Heh. [04:01:44] <jsoftw> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hoo+har even [04:02:17] <bda> Just because something exists on the Internet doesn't make it a good idea, you know. [04:02:37] <bda> But I'm going to leave that before we start dredging up Actual Doom involving people partying with lemons. [04:02:41] <jsoftw> And that does not make it a bad one either. [04:02:41] * bda heads off to the DC. 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[09:04:21] <Triskelios> wvdschel: presumably a few days from now [09:04:39] <DTEIT> lkthomas: they connect using a specific user/passwd [09:04:58] <DTEIT> for permission i force 775 [09:05:14] <lkthomas> yes, I use samba as PDC, and windowsxp pro login as user "a" [09:05:34] <Triskelios> wvdschel: the prereleases are already available [09:05:44] <lkthomas> then, after login, I try to create a folder call "created by a" and try to set permission allow user "b" [09:05:49] <DTEIT> ah i don't....in my case it's just a file server [09:05:52] <CosmicDJ> lkthomas: you might want to use acl's, then [09:05:53] <wvdschel> are those the same as the RC's? [09:06:14] <lkthomas> CosmicDJ: I am using now: [09:06:15] <lkthomas> nt acl support = yes [09:06:15] <lkthomas> profile acls = yes [09:06:15] <lkthomas> acl compatibility = win2k [09:06:15] <lkthomas> acl map full control = True [09:06:17] <wvdschel> hmmm, there's a USB version? [09:06:30] <lkthomas> CosmicDJ: any problem with the setting ? [09:07:06] <CosmicDJ> no idea sry, it's been a while since I set up a PDC samba server... [09:07:21] <lkthomas> hmm [09:08:11] <CosmicDJ> IIRC you need to tweak some more if you're using zfs... [09:08:32] <lkthomas> is it related with zfs acl or samba acl ? [09:08:33] *** tsoome has quit IRC [09:09:58] <CosmicDJ> I'd say, with both :) [09:10:39] *** tarbo has joined #opensolaris [09:11:36] <CosmicDJ> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/sfw/usr/src/cmd/samba/vfs_zfsacl.c [09:13:39] *** yukito has joined #opensolaris [09:16:19] <CosmicDJ> ugh look at all those chmod's, spooky -> http://nineproductions.com/technology/1-sun-solaris/3-solaris-10-samba-zfs-configuration.html [09:17:35] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [09:19:27] *** wvdschel has quit IRC [09:20:39] *** comay has quit IRC [09:20:49] *** TheNoxier has joined #opensolaris [09:21:47] *** pumpkin_ is now known as pumpkin [09:25:46] <lkthomas> oh my god [09:26:07] <e^ipi> yes? 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[10:04:45] *** derchris has quit IRC [10:04:49] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [10:04:51] <hrist> morning folks [10:07:19] <e^ipi> Berny: in a couple hours? [10:07:20] <e^ipi> ... [10:07:27] <e^ipi> no... nobody's had anything explode this afternoone [10:08:21] <yksinaisyyteni> tsoome: iirc, because of all the proprietary DPS etc. stuff [10:08:21] <Berny> e^ipi, what about the folks inside sun? ;-) [10:08:32] <tsoome> ye i know [10:08:45] <e^ipi> haven't heard anything , no [10:09:21] <Berny> well i'll give it a shot [10:09:50] *** mikearthur|work has joined #opensolaris [10:10:50] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [10:12:25] <tsoome> ye, the issue is i need to figure out some xkb bits inside it:) [10:13:02] *** YazzY has joined #opensolaris [10:13:05] <YazzY> hi guys [10:13:19] <YazzY> what can i use to eject CD from the tray ? [10:13:33] <sickness> eject ? [10:14:03] *** [3eker has joined #opensolaris [10:14:24] <YazzY> hm, it didnt work before but now it does [10:14:25] <YazzY> weird [10:14:26] <YazzY> thanks sickness [10:14:32] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris [10:14:36] <sickness> yw :) [10:14:48] *** juriskr has joined #opensolaris [10:14:55] <sickness> anyway, eject exists and works almost the same in linux and openbsd too :) [10:15:18] <YazzY> netbsd > * ;-) [10:15:26] <dustman> sickness: 'almost'? [10:15:43] <e^ipi> you know, i'd love to love netbsd but just nothing they do is really all that exciting to me [10:17:13] <sickness> dustman: well I'm sure the linux and openbsd versions are not the same codebase, so they don't have all the same switches and functionalities, but to eject the cdrom they should work the same, don't know about the solaris one, but looking at the man page it seems like linux one in functionality [10:17:55] <sickness> e^ipi: because it's actually some years that they do nothing :/ [10:18:10] <e^ipi> yeah, i was trying to be gentle [10:18:22] <yksinaisyyteni> well, they did Xen in a stable release before freebsd or solaris [10:18:27] <yksinaisyyteni> although with a few limitations [10:19:30] <sickness> yeah that was nice [10:21:42] <YazzY> there is work being done on many things all the time [10:22:00] <YazzY> nbsd was the 1.st open source OS to support USB [10:22:47] <YazzY> people are working on new SMP code [10:22:58] <YazzY> modular kernel [10:23:01] *** juriskr has quit IRC [10:23:19] <YazzY> fbsd uses the rc.d from nbsd [10:23:38] <YazzY> i'd say it's solaris and openbsd that stay behind [10:23:45] <dustman> ...which is great and reminds smf [10:24:29] <sickness> well solaris and openbsd both introduced new technologies in their goals... [10:24:51] <YazzY> yah, obsd introduces new stuff making it even slower :) [10:25:00] <YazzY> anyway, i am not here for fud [10:25:00] <dustman> YazzY: if solaris is bloated, it doesn't mean it stays behind [10:25:01] <sickness> the openbsd project made the ssh codebase that almost all the other oses and embedded devices use... [10:25:27] <YazzY> sickness: that's true, they made pf which is great too [10:25:40] <sickness> yeah [10:25:48] <dustman> ssh and pf do not make whole os tho [10:25:49] <YazzY> lots of code is used between the bsds and linux [10:25:59] <e^ipi> no, the linux road is one way [10:26:06] <e^ipi> it takes, it never gives back [10:26:12] <sickness> I'd wished solaris did include pf instead of ipf, but at least ipf it's still better than linux iptables :P [10:26:15] <YazzY> e^ipi: you're wrong [10:26:30] <e^ipi> if i am then someone's violating the GPL [10:26:34] <YazzY> many OSs use gcc tools [10:26:40] <sickness> dustman: not the os, but they're a big part in the "goals" of the os project [10:26:42] <CosmicDJ> gcc != linux [10:26:42] <YazzY> s/gcc/gnu [10:26:43] <yksinaisyyteni> gcc doesn't come from linux, it's GNU [10:26:44] <e^ipi> gcc's been around way longer than linux [10:26:46] <tsoome> gcc sucks anyhow [10:26:51] <trochej> YazzY: The prpblem with Linux is GPL, which is more restrictive than BSD licence. What has been moved to GPL, cannot be included in BSD code, unless it's dual licenced [10:26:53] <YazzY> CosmicDJ: it's gnu/linux [10:26:59] <yksinaisyyteni> YazzY: no, it's just GNU [10:27:14] <CosmicDJ> YazzY: linux is just a kernel [10:27:16] <trochej> sickness: I was thinking of porting pf to OS [10:27:19] <CosmicDJ> nothing more [10:27:34] <sickness> trochej: omg =) really? do you think it could be feasible? =) [10:27:40] <yksinaisyyteni> there is nothing linux-specific about gnu - linux didn't even exist for quite a long time after gnu/fsf started producing software [10:27:51] <trochej> sickness: Don't know, never loomed at pfd code. :) [10:27:58] <trochej> sickness: Right now I'm migrating jobs [10:28:21] <trochej> And then, the last time I touched code was few years ago [10:28:26] <sickness> trochej: well I suppose pf has lots of tidbits in the kernel and network code of obsd... [10:28:30] <trochej> sickness: So that would be a lot of work. [10:28:43] <trochej> sickness: I think eveyrthing can be ported. [10:28:43] <dustman> dunno about ipf but pf can't take advantage of multiple cpus/threads if I recall right [10:30:07] <sickness> dustman: yeah, but they're working on that, maybe in some time we will see an smp/multithreading capable pf =) [10:30:43] <dustman> sickness: till smp on obsd sucks, it won't be a priority [10:31:37] <dustman> plus integration with altq and carp, which do not exist on solaris [10:31:50] <sickness> dustman: yeah, smp on obsd sucks, bgl and rthreads... but they're working on that too, because now more than before the industry is going multicore instead of multi Ghz :P [10:32:51] <trochej> Yes, Solaris again has been there before. :) [10:33:00] <trochej> Woth 64bit and with multicore :) [10:33:01] <e^ipi> a decade and a half ago [10:33:05] <sickness> dustman: I think altq was integrated, or usable side by side, with ipf too, and carp was actually ported to solaris, the project was called ucarp, yeah, it would be a long way to integration anyway, but it wouldn't be impossible... [10:33:26] <dustman> sickness: don't get me wrong, obsd is nice os for firewalls and routers, but beside fileserver, I would use netbsd for everything else [10:35:10] *** skylance has joined #opensolaris [10:35:21] <sickness> dustman: well I don't know much about netbsd, but I use obsd for firewalls and router and solaris for fileservers, that said, I see that openbsd is in fact lagging behind in the performance area, lots of linux big appliances can process amounts of packets that openbsd can just dream on, I think that solaris could surely outperform linux in that [10:35:28] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris [10:36:00] *** luna1 has joined #opensolaris [10:36:45] <sickness> ciao luna1 [10:36:54] *** Gman has quit IRC [10:37:04] <tsoome> btw, are there real perfomance comp. for 10g ethernet? [10:38:35] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris [10:39:40] <YazzY> some benchmarks http://freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/ [10:41:27] <codestr0m> morgan YazzY [10:41:36] <codestr0m> you end up getting most of your issues figured out? [10:42:17] <CosmicDJ> http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/nfs-ro.png 400MB/s read? from what? ram? [10:43:35] <yksinaisyyteni> CosmicDJ: for streaming read-only, it seems quite possible to get that from disk [10:44:37] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: morning and thanks for helping me yesterday. (sorry if it got annoying) [10:44:55] <codestr0m> I found the solution [10:47:25] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [10:53:45] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris [10:53:58] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris [10:54:54] *** bojicas_ has joined #opensolaris [10:57:44] *** yong|wfh has quit IRC [10:59:12] <YazzY> codestr0m: yes, i have created a bootable DVD/CD [10:59:25] <codestr0m> cool. glad you got it sorted out [11:00:30] <YazzY> codestr0m: turned out i had a small typo in my code and coldnt catch that right away when I debugging it [11:00:45] <YazzY> codestr0m: yah, it's cool to have it working exactly the way i want [11:01:20] <YazzY> s/when I/when I was [11:04:51] <codestr0m> e^ipi: if you're around.. outside of the makefile for svc/seed do you know of any other docs which cover configuring smf from the very ground up? [11:05:19] <e^ipi> it would surprise me a great deal if such a thing existed [11:05:43] <e^ipi> if anyone knows it'd be sch [11:05:48] <e^ipi> drop him an email [11:06:08] <codestr0m> ok. google around and failing that start writing it up today [11:06:13] <tnelson_> Have you OpenBSD/NetBSD folk tried FreeBSD? [11:06:30] <e^ipi> we're solaris folk [11:06:32] <e^ipi> and yes [11:06:40] <tnelson_> Granted I'm biased to FreeBSD, but having recently had to do a lot of NetBSD/OpenBSD installations, it shines in quite a few areas. [11:06:57] <e^ipi> fbsd's decent, i got nothing against it [11:07:15] <tnelson_> e^ipi: well sure, but that means you're much more likely to be open to !solaris than, say, Linux people are open to !linux :P [11:07:24] <e^ipi> true [11:07:59] <tnelson_> They're all woeful as desktops. [11:08:06] <e^ipi> i blame X [11:08:14] <e^ipi> and related toolkits [11:08:16] *** bojicas__ has joined #opensolaris [11:08:22] <tnelson_> Indeed. [11:08:32] * tnelson_ *hearts* Server 2008 on his laptop. [11:09:03] <tnelson_> But then again, I'm drenched in Windows at work, so eh, choices are limited. [11:09:06] <e^ipi> my laptop's a mac [11:09:14] <e^ipi> it can at least pretend to be unix [11:09:16] *** photon_chac has quit IRC [11:09:48] <e^ipi> windows is fine, but it doesn't solve the problems i look to solve so i never really consider using it [11:09:51] <tnelson_> It can attempt to be Windows too :> [11:10:01] <tnelson_> Indeed; right tool for the job. [11:10:10] <e^ipi> i don't need anything that can pretend to be windows *shrug* [11:10:32] <tnelson_> Tell you what though, Server '08 pretends to be Unix very, very well. [11:10:39] <codestr0m> e^ipi: should I bother cc'ing any os-* list on this? not sure anyone else would care [11:10:52] <oxygene> codestr0m: the distro list might be interested [11:10:55] <e^ipi> smf-discuss maybe [11:10:58] <codestr0m> oxygene: ! [11:11:08] <e^ipi> tnelson_: not if you're used to unix it doesn't [11:11:21] <oxygene> codestr0m: anyone who doesn't only want to do the ubuntu-way of distro-building (ie. pick a different set of packages and pretend you've got a different distro) will need this [11:11:31] <e^ipi> i can't write code against windows like i can with every other OS out there [11:11:49] *** bojicas has quit IRC [11:11:53] <codestr0m> oxygene: exactly [11:12:26] <oxygene> e^ipi: the posix subsystem was improved a lot for vista/server2008. enough for me to retry to build coreboot on that (posix on XP was a big failure in that venture) [11:12:30] <tnelson_> e^ipi: dunno', the SFU/SUA stuff is pretty impressive. [11:13:43] <e^ipi> yeah, but why use a unix compatibility layer when i can just use unix [11:14:08] <oxygene> e^ipi: it's just as much a "compatibility layer" as the win32 subsystem is [11:14:18] <oxygene> e^ipi: same level in the system. cygwin is a unix compat layer (and a bad one, at that) [11:14:23] <tnelson_> Good question, I've never actually used SFU/SUA for attempting to run native POSIX stuff. [11:14:39] <tnelson_> s/run/build/ [11:15:18] *** jtmuzix has joined #opensolaris [11:16:17] *** mbz has left #opensolaris [11:17:33] *** bojicas has joined #opensolaris [11:20:59] <whits> Anyone in here know about the NICDRV test suite? [11:26:38] *** bojicas__ has quit IRC [11:28:03] *** bojicas_ has quit IRC [11:28:03] <tsoome> mkay. at least b101 is not even remotely near anything to be called desktop solution. i give up:P [11:29:09] <codestr0m> tsoome: noooooo! [11:29:17] <codestr0m> don't jump [11:29:27] *** fraggeln has left #opensolaris [11:30:34] <tsoome> i hate gnome. its most useless piece of shit ever built. [11:30:49] <tsoome> besides linux ofc:P [11:30:59] <Cyrille> there are lots of contenders for that title... [11:32:35] <oxygene> Cyrille: eg. most parts of the GUI stack on unix [11:33:18] <tsoome> i did pick Estonian keybord from input method settings. does not change anything. languages /scripts tab is nice, but there is no available languages listed...... [11:33:43] *** lowey71 has joined #opensolaris [11:33:51] *** chendy has quit IRC [11:34:13] <tsoome> there was list when i was logged as root. however, still i cant switch kbd layout.... [11:34:54] <tsoome> sorry to say, but gnome has not anything to do with UI engineering and usability. [11:35:05] <codestr0m> tsoome: you speak estii keel? [11:35:07] <oxygene> keyboard layouts on solaris are a sad, sad story [11:35:20] <CosmicDJ> indeed [11:35:42] <codestr0m> umm. you guys haven't had to deal with different input methods yet :P [11:35:42] <tsoome> its not even only layouts. its whole concept how user can *easily* set up its environment [11:35:50] <codestr0m> tsoome: ++ [11:35:54] <oxygene> ctrl-backspace killing the X server, international layouts being broken all the time, such errors disappearing just to enter the scene again two releases later, ... [11:36:07] <CosmicDJ> just had a fresh x86 sol10u5 server a few weeks ago, key like < > and | just didn't work on the console (i.e. X disabled) [11:36:18] <tsoome> you can disable that kill sequence afaik;) [11:36:18] *** lowey71 has quit IRC [11:36:31] <codestr0m> tsoome: sure. and you have to create an xorg.conf to do it [11:36:33] <tsoome> altho, then linux people will start to scream;) [11:36:36] <codestr0m> which by default isn't there [11:36:41] <oxygene> tsoome: yes, but that kills ctrl-alt-bs, too (which is not desirable, given the stupid graphic drivers architecture) [11:37:02] <codestr0m> anyway. file bugs on this stuff guys or document and email me :P [11:37:16] <codestr0m> I only test swedish, english and chinese [11:37:25] <tsoome> rofl... ok. well, ill stick with my osx and thats all [11:37:51] *** TheNoxier_ has joined #opensolaris [11:40:00] <h3sp4wn> cannot see any reason just use a sun keyboard (other than if its a laptop) or a hardware terminal (at least for servers) [11:40:05] <palowoda> codestr0m: Just curious you swedish? [11:40:24] <codestr0m> palowoda: nej [11:40:37] [11:43:00] *** FreakGuard has joined #opensolaris [11:43:14] <FreakGuard> where to get the default root pw for the livecd? [11:43:25] <sensei> I pasted this yesterday, and I haven't had much time to spend on it, so I'm pretty much still stuck on it: http://rafb.net/p/FFuJxa73.html anyone awake now have an idea? [11:43:51] <codestr0m> FreakGuard: root user is probably removed. pfexec su - [11:44:01] <FreakGuard> so what to login with? [11:44:02] <codestr0m> that should give default root privs [11:44:14] <codestr0m> FreakGuard: jack // jack and then pfexec su - [11:44:22] <codestr0m> or someone will surely provide an alternative around here [11:44:24] <FreakGuard> codestr0m, where to get that from? [11:45:02] <seanmcg> root passwd on the live cd I think is opensolaris [11:45:06] <codestr0m> FreakGuard: honestly.. it's been a while.. should be documented close to the place you got the iso [11:46:32] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [11:46:38] <FreakGuard> that one was on www.opensolaris.com... - I'm looking for something like an installer guide ;) [11:46:58] <codestr0m> FreakGuard: umm. for the livecd it's like double click the shiny icon [11:47:18] <FreakGuard> not if the X doesn't start in the VBocx [11:47:20] <sensei> The thing I pasted only happens on opensolaris, it's fine on solaris 10 [11:47:30] <codestr0m> I'm doing something similar to a gentoo handbook which covers from scratch, but that's mostly academic [11:48:38] *** bojicas_ has joined #opensolaris [11:50:49] *** lowey71 has joined #opensolaris [11:52:06] *** lowey71 is now known as lowey [11:54:45] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [11:55:44] <CosmicDJ> sensei: and the "change the shell" hint wasnt helpful? [11:56:41] <FreakGuard> codestr0m, define "academic" [11:59:52] *** TheNoxier has quit IRC [12:00:00] <sensei> CosmicDJ: No, it does the same with bash as well as sh [12:01:11] *** jtmuzix has quit IRC [12:01:20] <CosmicDJ> sensei: /bin/ksh? /usr/xpg4/bin/sh ? [12:01:29] <sensei> Let me try [12:01:45] *** jtmuzix has joined #opensolaris [12:02:20] <sensei> CosmicDJ: Same result then :/ [12:02:37] <CosmicDJ> and ksh93? [12:03:00] *** bojicas has quit IRC [12:03:16] <sensei> No dice [12:03:21] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [12:03:46] *** aruiz has joined #opensolaris [12:04:09] <CosmicDJ> hm, check your path in sol10 and opensolaris [12:04:37] <CosmicDJ> IIRC opensolaris defaults to gnu stuff [12:04:43] *** FreakGuard has quit IRC [12:06:30] *** lowey has quit IRC [12:06:44] <sensei> /bin/sh on solaris 10 is /sbin/sh and on opensolaris it links to /usr/bin/i86/ksh93 [12:07:16] *** jtmuzix has quit IRC [12:07:24] *** TheNoxier_ has quit IRC [12:07:40] <CosmicDJ> echo $PATH on opensolaris; or the PATH var from your configure script [12:07:56] *** TheNoxier has joined #opensolaris [12:07:58] <sensei> heh /bin/sh is symlinked to ../../sbin/.. [12:08:24] <sensei> The paths are identical [12:08:56] <sensei> /usr/gnu/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/opt/csw/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/mysql/bin:/opt/csw/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/mysql:/usr/xpg4/bin [12:09:31] <CosmicDJ> try running that script again, w/o /usr/gnu/bin in your path [12:09:42] <sensei> Using /usr/gnu/bin/sh gives me this error instead: /dev/null: line 1: ./configure:: No such file or directory [12:10:53] <sensei> heh and without gnu in the path I get: ./configure[1561]: .[1]: [1]:: not found [No such file or directory] [12:12:35] <CosmicDJ> sensei: how are you executing configure? what's the first line of configure? [12:13:25] <sensei> By now I've tried both ./configure with various #! lines as the first line as well as calling the shell like /usr/xpg4/bin/sh configure without a #! line [12:13:57] <CosmicDJ> ah, you don't have to change anything to run it with a different shell.. [12:14:14] <CosmicDJ> just exec it like $ ksh configure (or sh configure ; bash configure etc) [12:15:04] <CosmicDJ> removing #!/some/sh and doing: "$ ./configure" also calls for trouble [12:15:12] *** zaihan has quit IRC [12:15:26] *** zaihan has joined #opensolaris [12:15:44] *** Michael5 has joined #opensolaris [12:15:52] <sensei> Yeah, haven't done that tho :) [12:16:12] <sensei> Doesn't seem like any shell installed is willing to that that code [12:16:28] <Michael5> If I wanted to install nmap on opensolaris, how would I do this using the shell? [12:17:48] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris [12:17:52] <Michael5> Did I ask this ? in a wrong way? [12:18:03] <sensei> Michael5: pkg search -r nmap [12:18:09] <sensei> pkg install <suitable package name> [12:18:12] <Michael5> Thanks [12:18:54] <CosmicDJ> sensei: so your configure script only runs whenthe gnu stuff is in your path? [12:20:11] <sensei> It alwayus runs and works, just throwing different errors :) [12:23:31] *** perlmongo has quit IRC [12:23:31] *** jteo has quit IRC [12:23:31] *** quasi has quit IRC [12:23:31] *** bourgois has quit IRC [12:23:31] *** koan has quit IRC [12:23:31] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC [12:23:31] *** NeZetiC has quit IRC [12:23:31] *** trygvis has quit IRC [12:23:31] *** charlieS has quit IRC [12:23:31] *** luisbg_ has quit IRC [12:23:37] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris [12:23:37] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris [12:23:37] *** quasi has joined #opensolaris [12:23:37] *** bourgois has joined #opensolaris [12:23:37] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris [12:23:37] *** NeZetiC has joined #opensolaris [12:23:37] *** charlieS has joined #opensolaris [12:23:37] *** luisbg_ has joined #opensolaris [12:23:42] <sensei> Since it's only the code dealing with the config cache that bombs out, it's not a critical error [12:23:57] *** trygvis has joined #opensolaris [12:24:14] *** koan has joined #opensolaris [12:24:18] <CosmicDJ> so problem solved.. [12:26:29] <sensei> Yeah, I suppose it is per se.. it doesn't look very good though, and it's one of those peeves :) [12:28:12] *** zaihan has quit IRC [12:28:18] *** morettoni has joined #opensolaris [12:28:28] *** zaihan has joined #opensolaris [12:28:37] *** Michael5 has quit IRC [12:28:43] <sensei> Thanks for your time tho CosmicDJ [12:29:10] <CosmicDJ> np [12:30:40] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris [12:37:13] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [12:48:22] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [12:51:56] <codestr0m> e^ipi: cmd/svc/milestone/README.share is a good start to what I was looking for [12:51:58] <codestr0m> fyi [12:52:38] <codestr0m> cmd/svc/milestone/README gives hints that are useful and from here it's about the details in the bootstrap of seed/ and understanding what does what [12:54:15] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [12:55:44] *** skylance_ has joined #opensolaris [12:55:46] *** Rarok has quit IRC [12:55:56] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [12:56:51] *** Rarok has quit IRC [12:56:58] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [12:57:50] *** LeftWing has quit IRC [12:58:01] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris [13:02:36] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [13:02:52] <timsf> identify blah123 [13:02:55] *** inaddy has quit IRC [13:03:00] <YazzY> heh [13:03:06] * timsf changes his nicserv passwd - damnit. [13:03:19] <YazzY> change it to a good one this time [13:03:25] <timsf> like it matters... [13:04:22] <oxygene> timsf: there might be a nickserv script for your irc client.. [13:04:41] <timsf> pidgin? Perhaps [13:05:59] <oxygene> http://plugins.guifications.org/trac/wiki/irchelper [13:06:14] <Pollero_> I installed xvmserver and now when i boot it i have no idea what should i do. I dont know the ip of that server and on screen i see nothing [13:06:21] <Pollero_> what should i do? [13:07:16] <Pollero_> omg i feel myself so noob [13:07:51] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [13:08:22] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris [13:08:45] *** niq has joined #opensolaris [13:08:46] *** skylance has quit IRC [13:10:09] <timsf> Pollero_ the console of the xVM server should be running Firefox in "kiosk" mode, with a login promot [13:10:11] <timsf> prompt [13:10:36] <timsf> - that's asking you for the passwd for xvmadmin, which after first install is xvmadmin - no network services are configured yet [13:10:52] <timsf> you need to walk through initial configuration of IP, DNS, etc. on that screen. [13:11:11] <Pollero_> timsf: just realize that it crashes [13:11:46] <Pollero_> i have to say that this is biggest disapoint ever. I have no try this product on two perfectly working server. First wont even let me install it. This let me install it but crashes [13:12:03] <Pollero_> lol, it best for me to stick with Debian and console management. At least its stable and i know howto use it [13:12:13] <timsf> What's crashing [13:12:37] <timsf> (this is an *EA* release, it has bugs) [13:12:50] <Pollero_> this server. Like you say. I should see firefox and so on.. All i see is black window about sunOS 1983 - 2008 and keyboard and all is dead - it crashes [13:13:12] <timsf> Define "crash" ? [13:13:39] <Pollero_> keybord dont answer. If i press "caps lock" light wont come up. It wonr "answer" anything [13:13:44] <Pollero_> im pretty sure its crashed [13:13:54] <oxygene> Pollero_: how long did you wait? [13:13:54] <timsf> does 2008.11 or 2008.05 run on this system? Is your hardware on the HCL? [13:14:07] <Pollero_> timsf: hardware is Dell PowerEdge 2850 [13:14:16] <Pollero_> it should any proper OS [13:14:22] <Pollero_> oxygene: 10min? [13:14:37] *** CyberBlue has joined #opensolaris [13:14:51] <oxygene> Pollero_: okay.. boot into failsafe mode (if you can), mount the system it finds, run "bootadm update-archive -R /a", then "init 6" to reboot. then try again [13:14:55] <Pollero_> this server was in production until this morning i move all VPS's to another HW and installed xvmserver [13:14:57] *** medar has quit IRC [13:15:40] <timsf> I'll dig around for one in our lab [13:16:16] <Pollero_> oxygene: i have no experience with Solaris :/ i have no idea howto do that. This all was just for test. Im looking another OS and GUI to management our VPS infra. We are looking solid stable system. I know this is EA but still.. i cant use it and i have no time to battle witht this [13:17:05] <Pollero_> well i goto smoke now.. After that i try something i learned yesterday :) [13:17:14] <timsf> Found one in the lab, [13:17:23] <timsf> but it doesn't have a remote kvm, so I can't help. [13:17:24] <timsf> sorry. [13:17:43] <codestr0m> timsf: you mean the drac ipmi module? [13:18:00] <tsoome> damn i love zfs root:) esp with luupgrade.) [13:18:33] *** timsf has quit IRC [13:18:51] *** medar has joined #opensolaris [13:19:05] <codestr0m> tsoome: that working on your mac ;) <sarcasm /> [13:19:09] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [13:19:13] <tsoome> :D [13:20:05] <timsf> codestr0m: Yeah [13:20:40] <codestr0m> if I had to guess I'd say the 2850 have good support.. [13:21:26] <timsf> I'm sure it does, I just can't find out how to connect to it (I can get a serial console ok) [13:22:00] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [13:22:09] *** cky has quit IRC [13:22:48] <Pollero_> timsf: do you know the IP of DRAC? default user is "calvin" with no password [13:24:02] <timsf> Nope, it's just sitting on a terminal server - I've got serial only, [13:28:21] *** hsp is now known as hsp_away [13:29:51] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris [13:30:00] *** dme has joined #opensolaris [13:30:04] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris [13:33:55] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris [13:39:49] <tsoome> codestr0m: tbh, i dont give a crap if and how it works on mac, all i need is a decent desktop;) [13:40:15] <Pollero_> timsf: actually the system is 2950.. sry about that [13:40:20] <codestr0m> tsoome: tbh.. I'm a little burnt out on trying to support users instead of developers [13:41:00] <tsoome> :D [13:41:08] <Pollero_> and i see it boots xen fine. Last line i see is "Scrubbing wam" after that immediately panic. Is there a way to "slow down" the boot? It jumps to "sunOS 1983- 2008....blaablaa" so fast that i cant see what causes that panic [13:41:17] <Pollero_> wam = ram, damn typomaster [13:42:16] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [13:43:45] <codestr0m> Pollero_: ok. last time to help you.. -kv == go to debugger instead of reboot and this will help with any serial console tty bits http://blogs.sun.com/tdh/entry/booting_into_the_kernel_debugger [13:45:51] <Pollero_> codestr0m: actually i have tried this already. Thanks for everyone. Im waiting for stable release and get back to business [13:46:11] <codestr0m> Pollero_: frankly. I don't think the release is the problem [13:51:21] *** LuckyLuk1 is now known as LuckyLuke [13:55:38] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [13:56:11] *** Pollero_ has quit IRC [13:56:48] <timsf> I'm not convinced the release was the problem either... [13:57:43] *** ericjray has quit IRC [13:57:56] <codestr0m> yeah. I asked a buddy with a 2950 that has sol on it [13:58:17] <codestr0m> in fact I think Dell even offer solaris pre-installed.. [13:58:56] <hali> yes, and full support etc [13:59:03] <timsf> Mm, both systems are on the HCL [13:59:16] <timsf> I'll grab the one I have here and see if it's capable of booting xen ok [13:59:37] <timsf> (which I can easily check with a serial console) [14:07:54] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [14:09:21] *** boyd has joined #opensolaris [14:12:05] *** stux|away is now known as stux|work [14:12:44] *** boyd_ has quit IRC [14:15:45] *** kimo^^ has joined #opensolaris [14:15:55] *** wewek has quit IRC [14:16:16] *** kim0 has quit IRC [14:16:30] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris [14:20:09] *** bojicas_ has quit IRC [14:26:23] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [14:27:58] *** kimo^^ is now known as kim0 [14:30:34] <tsoome> damn I need to find damn contact for type6 keyboard layout codes:( [14:31:28] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [14:36:22] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [14:36:22] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris [14:36:43] *** YazzY has left #opensolaris [14:40:22] <codestr0m> the default escape is ~ in zlogin -C, but from the zone it's telling me ~ [14:40:30] <codestr0m> how do I escape? [14:40:56] <hrist> *cough* pkill zlogin [14:41:08] <codestr0m> hrist: *lol* [14:41:20] <codestr0m> that's rather unclean? [14:41:42] <hrist> do you need -C? 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"bldenv ./opensolaris.sh && cd usr/src/uts && dmake all && dmake install" doesn't work: "Install -k i86pc -G kernel-my" complains about missing files, and, yes, many "debug(32|64)" directories are empty or incomplete. It works after nightly, but it is TOO long for kernel hacking... [15:59:10] <oxygene> blacklkion: you only need to run nightly once (or after large changes). after that, bldenv + dmake is enough [15:59:28] *** [3eker has quit IRC [16:00:56] <blacklkion> oxygene: Doesn't work :( For example, after such sequence: "nightly + change something in uts/common/dtrace.c + bldenv / dmake all install" and dtrace module IS NOT upgraded! New version is placed to "obj(32|64)", but old one is in "debug(32|64)" and "Install" uses OLD version :( [16:03:43] *** skylance_ has quit IRC [16:05:33] *** niq has quit IRC [16:07:30] *** zarathustra has joined #opensolaris [16:08:40] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris [16:10:07] *** delewis has quit IRC [16:10:18] <sickness> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/enormouse/ <- rotfl [16:10:18] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [16:13:50] *** Teknix has quit IRC [16:17:24] *** cypromis has quit IRC [16:21:18] *** tavis has quit IRC [16:23:43] *** skylance has joined #opensolaris [16:23:50] *** skylance has quit IRC [16:25:04] *** skylance has joined #opensolaris [16:26:40] <zarathustra> hello, is it possible to install opensolaris in a hp prolliant server, because during the installation it doesnt detect the hardrives. The hardware detection tool says there is no driver for the smart array controller :( [16:27:45] *** cypromis_ is now known as cypromis [16:33:48] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris [16:33:57] *** blacklkion has quit IRC [16:39:29] <LuckyLuke> zarathustra: many proliant servers have drivers on their web site. take also a look at the HCL. [16:40:00] *** delewis has quit IRC [16:40:16] *** pgr has quit IRC [16:41:08] *** tsoome has quit IRC [16:41:15] <zarathustra> LuckyLuke: yes, there are drivers, but in the hardware detection tool where you can install the driver before installing, the button of "install" is not enabled [16:42:44] <LuckyLuke> zarathustra: the supported version from hp will most probably be Sun Solaris, not opensolaris / community edition / wathever. wait for someone who knows more, I never used opensolaris. I only know it's not supported by sun :) [16:43:08] *** bigjocker has quit IRC [16:43:43] <codestr0m> LuckyLuke: opensolaris *is* supported by sun (I was corrected on this recently) it's just not advertised much [16:44:05] <LuckyLuke> oh. please consider me corrected on this too, now :) [16:44:23] <zarathustra> hehe [16:45:00] *** Openfree has quit IRC [16:48:17] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [16:48:17] *** Teo` has joined #opensolaris [16:48:54] *** dunc has quit IRC [16:51:56] *** ttmrichter_ has joined #opensolaris [16:53:13] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [16:59:18] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris [17:03:53] *** kim0 has quit IRC [17:04:47] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [17:04:50] *** mpbb has joined #opensolaris [17:05:09] *** hrist_ has joined #opensolaris [17:05:17] *** carl- has quit IRC [17:06:41] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC [17:06:56] *** zarqman has joined #opensolaris [17:07:21] *** victori has quit IRC [17:07:30] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC [17:07:42] *** phimic has quit IRC [17:07:50] *** TheNoxier_ has joined #opensolaris [17:07:52] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [17:09:57] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [17:10:00] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [17:10:17] *** MattMan has quit IRC [17:13:03] *** dustman has quit IRC [17:13:08] *** dustman has joined #opensolaris [17:13:46] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris [17:14:04] *** TRD has joined #opensolaris [17:14:21] <TRD> hello everyone [17:14:37] <TRD> i want to connect internet in opensolaris [17:14:42] <TRD> PPPoE [17:14:58] <TRD> how i do ? [17:15:14] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:15:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:16:17] *** hrist has quit IRC [17:16:34] <sickness> heh, I always found info about that lacking, maybe people uses openbsd ad gw :P [17:16:38] <sickness> TRD: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4555/ppp.pppoe-2?l=en&a=view [17:16:50] <sickness> look here as a starting point, it's how to configure a client pppoe connection in solaris [17:17:15] <quasi> first hit on google [17:18:40] <sickness> TRD: http://blogs.sun.com/jerrytan/entry/how_to_setup_adsl_on <- look also here [17:19:03] <TRD> thanks alot sickness [17:19:06] <TRD> i will try [17:19:20] *** TheNoxier has quit IRC [17:19:36] <TRD> i am beiginig in solaris [17:20:53] <jamesd> "damm i accidently deleted my copy of the internet, can someone email me one?" ;-) [17:21:52] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris [17:25:16] *** GHReyes has joined #opensolaris [17:28:36] <quasi> jamesd: do you want 3.5" or 5.25" floppies? 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[17:41:34] *** mpbb has quit IRC [17:41:54] <quasi> there never were 3.25" floppies [17:42:49] <quasi> you may just have to break out the tapestation from your vic 20 then [17:44:43] <jamesd> quasi, yes there were.. but they were never accepted http://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/325_inch.jpg [17:45:38] <kimc> jamesd: do you support Shugart 8" floppies/ [17:45:40] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [17:45:54] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [17:46:03] *** div13 has quit IRC [17:46:08] *** Disorganized has quit IRC [17:46:45] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris [17:47:52] <jamesd> of course, its the only drives installed in my 8086-10 nec apc with high performance graphics, it did 1024x768 at an incredible 8 bit color IIRC [17:48:34] <jamesd> http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/nec/byte0484.jpg [17:48:39] <codestr0m> aww. .where's my disks so I can play Oregon trails and have to swap them back and forth.. [17:48:51] <kimc> lemme check that out.. [17:50:16] *** tCzern has joined #opensolaris [17:50:57] <codestr0m> is it just me or would that ad not pass today's standards? [17:51:03] <codestr0m> (by this I'm meaning the wording) [17:54:12] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [17:55:05] *** TRD has quit IRC [17:57:08] *** div13 has joined #opensolaris [17:57:39] *** tCzern_ has joined #opensolaris [18:03:25] *** simplexio has joined #opensolaris [18:05:06] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [18:07:07] *** roterra has joined #opensolaris [18:07:40] *** delewis has quit IRC [18:07:40] <DTEIT> may i ask something even if it's solaris and not opensolaris related? [18:10:09] <codestr0m> DTEIT: probably, but if it's rude or offensive you run the risk of getting the boot or a warning :) Otherewise.. ask away [18:10:44] *** GHReyes has left #opensolaris [18:10:59] <DTEIT> thanks [18:11:02] <DTEIT> i see some packets discarded [18:11:06] *** mikefut has quit IRC [18:11:07] <DTEIT> 192.168.1.155,22 -> 192.168.30.210,33152 PR tcp len 20 52 -AS IN [18:11:11] <DTEIT> why? [18:11:25] <codestr0m> DTEIT: is this on an opensolaris or solaris box? [18:11:44] <DTEIT> latest solaris [18:12:10] <DTEIT> i'm using (or better try to use) [18:12:13] <DTEIT> ipfilter [18:12:22] <codestr0m> DTEIT: hang out and if someone can answer I'm sure they will [18:13:11] *** stevel has quit IRC [18:13:39] *** erast has quit IRC [18:13:57] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [18:13:57] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [18:13:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [18:14:35] <xRaich[o]2x> anyone with got the vlcplugin for mozilla running under opensolaris? [18:15:49] *** tCzern has quit IRC [18:16:06] <boggy`> i'm trying to get my hp c4480 photosmart printer to work.. it shows up in LP print manager and print manager but doesnt work.. if I try to modify config or delete it my whole session freezes and it takes about 5-10mins for the print manager to disappear [18:16:20] *** delewis has quit IRC [18:16:34] *** jteo has quit IRC [18:17:18] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris [18:17:20] *** erast has joined #opensolaris [18:18:32] *** Disorganized has quit IRC [18:18:39] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris [18:19:52] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [18:20:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay [18:20:12] <DTEIT> thanks codestr0m [18:20:30] <DTEIT> anyway i'm going to disable ipfilter to make the server run [18:20:45] *** dunc_ has quit IRC [18:23:17] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris [18:24:10] *** h3sp4wn has quit IRC [18:24:53] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris [18:25:14] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [18:25:16] *** acruz has joined #opensolaris [18:27:14] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [18:28:17] *** Tobbe|autoaway is now known as Tobbe [18:30:26] *** zarguni has joined #opensolaris [18:34:59] *** tsoome has quit IRC [18:35:13] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [18:38:55] *** dunc has quit IRC [18:38:58] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [18:39:21] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [18:39:58] *** TheNoxier_ has quit IRC [18:42:07] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [18:42:14] *** DTEIT has quit IRC [18:43:03] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [18:44:16] *** turtle has quit IRC [18:49:25] *** Erwann has quit IRC [18:53:39] *** Disorganized has quit IRC [18:55:11] *** MattMan has quit IRC [18:55:30] *** victori has joined #opensolaris [18:56:35] <codestr0m> sladegen: ping [18:58:13] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [18:58:46] *** Gekz has quit IRC [19:02:30] *** e57181 has joined #opensolaris [19:03:20] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [19:06:04] *** edgy_ has joined #opensolaris [19:08:29] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris [19:09:56] *** Gekz has quit IRC [19:10:22] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris [19:11:37] *** delewis has quit IRC [19:11:56] *** timsf has quit IRC [19:12:41] *** luna1 has quit IRC [19:12:42] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris [19:14:20] *** axisys has quit IRC [19:14:32] *** esaxe has quit IRC [19:14:36] *** Dominic has quit IRC [19:14:38] *** Dominic has joined #opensolaris [19:14:43] *** esaxe has joined #opensolaris [19:15:52] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [19:18:09] *** edgy_ has quit IRC [19:21:32] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris [19:25:01] *** prav33n has joined #opensolaris [19:27:46] *** stevel has quit IRC [19:32:47] *** mikearthur|work has quit IRC [19:33:01] *** srira2 has joined #opensolaris [19:33:40] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [19:33:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [19:33:44] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [19:33:50] *** dunc has quit IRC [19:36:05] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [19:36:43] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris [19:37:03] *** tg has quit IRC [19:38:46] *** tg has joined #opensolaris [19:39:42] *** pumpkin has quit IRC [19:40:41] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [19:41:16] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [19:42:52] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [19:43:18] *** vitorio has joined #opensolaris [19:47:14] *** vitorio has quit IRC [19:49:20] *** anilg has quit IRC [19:52:10] <sickness> http://www.micro.com/~scott/triangle.gif [19:53:16] <evocallaghan> sickness:Awesome'ness ! [19:53:25] * evocallaghan starts to think.. [19:53:44] <sickness> gh [19:53:57] <sickness> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20081124.jpg [19:54:01] *** boyd_ has joined #opensolaris [19:54:26] <evocallaghan> boyd_:Hell, your alive. A very good morning to you sir. [19:56:00] <evocallaghan> sickness:That's cool. I want a copy :D [19:57:24] <evocallaghan> sickness:I figured out the Triangle. Think of this as a square. [19:58:10] <sickness> evocallaghan: I figured that out years ago, but can't reunderstand it :( [19:58:11] *** badtruffle has joined #opensolaris [19:58:36] <evocallaghan> sickness:N.B. its not a square .. [19:58:52] <evocallaghan> Hence you have the answer :p [19:59:08] *** PicCard has quit IRC [19:59:20] <evocallaghan> That game looks hellish cool though ! [19:59:32] <sickness> heh [20:02:56] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC [20:03:13] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [20:11:01] <kim0> Will 2008.11 include the ability to rollback the system after a failed system upgrade ? [20:11:16] <kim0> auto-system-snapshot upon system upgrade ? [20:11:25] <sickness> kim0: I think it already has [20:11:30] *** boyd has quit IRC [20:11:44] <kim0> sickness: do I have to do something special to use it ? [20:11:55] <sickness> kim0: I've tried updating 2008.11rc1 to 2008.11rc2 and it creates a snapshot just before doing the update, which you can revert too from grub or with beadm [20:12:16] <sickness> kim0: nope, it's all automated, you'll have to select the old be from grub if you want to rollback [20:12:19] <kim0> pkg image-update [20:12:21] <kim0> that's all [20:12:24] <kim0> cool [20:12:26] <sickness> mmm [20:12:32] <sickness> it depends if from official or dev builds [20:12:45] <kim0> ? [20:12:52] <sickness> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/image-update/ [20:13:30] <sickness> that $BUILD thing is obviously screwed because it would give 101b which doesn't work, so I simply wrote .101 by hand, or export BUILD=101 by hand, since it's bash the default 2008.11 shell :P [20:13:56] <sickness> so instead of just pkg image-update it's basically: [20:13:58] <sickness> $ pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg at 0 dot 5.11-0.${BUILD} $ pfexec pkg install entire at 0 dot 5.11-0.${BUILD} [20:14:07] <sickness> and then pfexec pkg image-update [20:14:49] <kim0> sickness: Thanks .. what are those SUNWipkg & entire being installed ? [20:15:51] <sickness> kim0: yw [20:15:53] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [20:15:56] <sickness> but, I just don't know =) [20:16:02] <kim0> hehe ok [20:16:13] <sickness> I suppose they could be some dependencies that you need to be sure are there for an rc1 to rc2 switching [20:16:28] <kim0> I guess its updating the updater [20:16:31] <sickness> as for the following points, if you look at them, they explain how to upgrade from previous snv based releases [20:16:39] *** boggy` has quit IRC [20:16:47] <sickness> but in the end I think the update process will be 1 command (imho) [20:16:49] <sickness> yeah [20:17:02] <kim0> I hope it becomes one command [20:17:36] <kim0> Does this new "image" package system, does it have any new "concept" vs apt-get say ? Or is it simply a reimplementation [20:17:38] *** RavenSlay3r has joined #opensolaris [20:17:52] <kim0> I cant see what's "image" about it [20:18:05] <sickness> it's a new packaging system from scratch, no "concepts" or "reimplementations" [20:18:27] <sickness> anyway yeah, it should provide the functionality to update the system, but leveraging (open)solaris specific peculiarities [20:18:31] <sickness> dinner time [20:18:38] <kim0> have fun [20:23:52] *** rickross has quit IRC [20:24:44] *** itwasme has left #opensolaris [20:25:20] *** fraggeln has joined #opensolaris [20:26:42] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [20:26:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [20:27:38] <fraggeln> does anyone know of a good webhosting-pannel for solaris? like plesk or H-Sphere? [20:27:54] <fraggeln> preferd if its opensource :) [20:32:18] *** Disorganized has quit IRC [20:38:22] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris [20:41:06] *** telpochyaotl has joined #opensolaris [20:42:09] *** syamajala has quit IRC [20:43:41] <telpochyaotl> hi all... So, i just installed 2008.05... i am on the box, ssh (no gui)... what is the command line equivalent to the UI package installer, is it pkg? I want to install emacs at the moment [20:43:58] <e^ipi> yes [20:44:05] <e^ipi> pkg(1) [20:44:16] <telpochyaotl> hm... pkg search emacs doesn't find it.... [20:44:32] <Auralis_> otherwise it looks only what you what [20:44:43] <Auralis_> only through [20:45:46] <codestr0m> before I ifconfig bge0 plumb up.. should I get ifconfig bge0.. ifconfig: status: SIOCGLIFFLAGS: bge0: no such interface [20:46:11] <telpochyaotl> e^ipi: thanks! [20:46:24] <telpochyaotl> Auralis_ i get a lot of stuff with -r [20:46:35] <telpochyaotl> Auralis_ sorry for asking, how can I know what it is? [20:47:07] <telpochyaotl> pkg:/SUNWgnu-emacs at 22 dot 1-0.101 for exampe? [20:47:08] <codestr0m> if I ifconfig bge0 plumb.. ifconfig hangs [20:47:12] *** jacobs has joined #opensolaris [20:47:35] *** boggy` has joined #opensolaris [20:47:40] <Auralis_> yeah, that looks good [20:48:31] <telpochyaotl> Auralis_ ok... trying... Thanks man, I recognize your name from when I first looked at opensolaris a long time a go... here on the forum, you must be a long time investor :) [20:50:06] <Auralis_> i have been around [20:51:42] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [20:59:01] *** capaz has quit IRC [20:59:04] *** capaz1 has joined #opensolaris [20:59:55] *** telpochyaotl has quit IRC [21:02:37] *** biafra has joined #opensolaris [21:02:46] <biafra> hi [21:03:28] *** acruz has quit IRC [21:05:53] <biafra> where can I find a manual how to restore a non booting opensolaris installation with the 2008.05 livecd? I have only a text console to that computer. but I already managed to boot from the cd an I am root. But I cannot see the hard disks with df. [21:06:05] <pjfloyd> I'm about to lu from sxce 99 to 103 [21:06:12] <pjfloyd> and I'd like to clear some space [21:06:42] <pjfloyd> any packages that I remove, will they get reinstalled, or are only installed packages updated? [21:06:59] <fraggeln> any howto online on howto upgrade from SXCE101 to SXCE103? [21:07:01] <Auralis_> they stay removed [21:07:26] <pjfloyd> similarly if I zap /opt/SUNWspro, will that get reinstalled? [21:07:41] <seanmcg> fraggeln, liveupgrade on docs.sun.com [21:08:03] <codestr0m> biafra: try google for opensolaris rescue [21:08:05] <pjfloyd> +1 for liveupgrade [21:08:24] <Auralis_> pjfloyd: it stays gone, sinc eits not included on the install dvd [21:08:38] <biafra> codestr0m: thanks! [21:08:45] <fraggeln> seanmcg: thanks [21:08:52] <codestr0m> biafra: if you have more questions ping me [21:08:59] <biafra> .oO( I tried only ... repair ) [21:09:21] *** twisti has quit IRC [21:09:24] <pjfloyd> Auralis: thanks (for the packages); I thought sxce was still more or less the same stuff as the last sxde and included Sun Studio 12 [21:09:38] <Auralis_> it did? [21:09:43] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris [21:10:06] <Auralis_> in that case, zap studio by removing the pkgs [21:11:29] <CosmicDJ> Auralis_: guess what the DE stand for in SXDE [21:11:57] <Auralis_> dveloper editions, but before the spoke of the CE, not the DE [21:12:11] <pjfloyd> Auralis_: I think sxde did a tarball install, no packages installed [21:12:29] <Auralis_> then just blow it away and it will be gone [21:12:39] <codestr0m> biafra: ok? [21:12:49] <pjfloyd> Auralis_: I will [21:12:59] <biafra> codestr0m: yeah. I will. [21:13:14] <biafra> codestr0m: I am trying to import rpool as a first step [21:14:11] *** capaz1 has left #opensolaris [21:14:29] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris [21:15:18] <biafra> codestr0m: puh. the rpool is still there and still has my filesystems [21:15:55] <codestr0m> biafra: ok? [21:16:13] <codestr0m> what's the actual thing you're trying to do or problem you need to solve [21:16:40] <biafra> codestr0m: it does not boot after a power failure [21:17:07] <biafra> codestr0m: I have only a screenshot of the error messages [21:17:22] <codestr0m> biafra: ok. paste the ss somewhere [21:17:26] <biafra> codestr0m: let me find a host for that [21:17:51] <biafra> codestr0m: sorry. my 3 yo son wont go to sleep . ... brb [21:27:57] *** jsoftw_ has joined #Opensolaris [21:29:38] <biafra> codestr0m: http://senduit.com/e41d55 [21:29:56] <biafra> codestr0m: thats the screenshot where it halts [21:30:37] *** jgracin has quit IRC [21:31:18] <biafra> codestr0m: some weeks ago I tried an "pkg image-update". but I never booted it. I think it went wrong. now the power outage ... [21:31:26] *** bojicas has joined #opensolaris [21:31:41] <codestr0m> power outage should *not* cause that [21:31:54] <codestr0m> do you have the original BE you can boot to? [21:32:09] <codestr0m> 2) have you tried repairing the boot archive per my instructions? [21:32:38] <codestr0m> if I had to take a while guess. I'd say the kernel you're booting with and the /kernel dir are out of sync [21:32:43] <codestr0m> wild* [21:33:15] *** jstephan has joined #opensolaris [21:33:27] <biafra> what do you mean by "BE"? I booted from the opensolaris 2008.05 cd [21:33:35] <codestr0m> boot environment [21:33:50] <codestr0m> biafra: repair your boot archive and see if that fixes it [21:34:47] <biafra> codestr0m: oh. I skipped your howto, when I looked at the google-results. [21:34:58] <codestr0m> biafra: your choice :) [21:35:00] <biafra> codestr0m: I'll read it now [21:35:49] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris [21:37:27] <biafra> codestr0m: I have three BEs all three end up the same. well it looks the same. but now I read on :-) [21:39:33] <biafra> codestr0m: it seems your howto could work for me. I'll try [21:40:04] *** Michael4 has joined #opensolaris [21:41:32] *** Michael4 has quit IRC [21:44:28] <biafra> codestr0m: how do I know if I have to remove the boot_archive? will bootadm fail? [21:46:05] <codestr0m> biafra: I don't understand your question [21:46:16] *** jsoftw has quit IRC [21:46:26] <codestr0m> it's probably safe to remove the boot_archive [21:46:33] <codestr0m> in fact you may have to [21:46:43] *** ukdolphin has quit IRC [21:47:01] <biafra> codestr0m: bootadm went through. now rebooting... [21:47:42] *** ukdolphin has joined #opensolaris [21:47:54] <biafra> codestr0m: dow not boot. ok. I remove the boot_archive [21:48:09] <biafra> does even [21:50:03] *** Michael6 has joined #opensolaris [21:50:30] <Michael6> Here's a fast ? for you.. I need to know if there's a torrent app for OpenSolaris. [21:50:45] <Michael6> And if so, what's the name of it? [21:50:52] <sbahra> Here's a quick answer [21:50:54] <sbahra> transmission [21:51:14] <Michael6> Thanks.. :) [21:51:39] <Auralis_> its even icluded in recent builds :) [21:51:47] <codestr0m> Michael6: pfexec pkg search -r "*transmission*" to find the package you need (if you're not familiar with pkg/IPS) [21:52:00] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [21:52:06] <Michael6> RC2 I don't thhink has it. [21:52:23] *** tsoome has quit IRC [21:52:28] <Auralis_> it does [21:52:41] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [21:52:49] <Auralis_> applications - internet - transmission, [21:52:57] <Michael6> Really..? hhmmm I just might have not known how to run it.. [21:52:59] <Michael6> lol [21:53:02] <Michael6> oh well [21:53:30] <Michael6> ok Thanks again [21:54:00] *** Michael6 has quit IRC [21:58:28] <RavenSlay3r> if i have a list of *.cc files and want to change all the filename extensions to *.cpp how would one do that from the command line? [21:58:51] <biafra> RavenSlay3r: use mmv? [21:59:37] *** bojicas has quit IRC [21:59:53] <codestr0m> RavenSlay3r: maybe #bash or google can help with a quick for each [22:00:03] <RavenSlay3r> yes "mv" but is there a way to fix all the files at once instead of one at a time? [22:00:23] <codestr0m> RavenSlay3r: of course and I just gave a big hint [22:00:41] <RavenSlay3r> codestr0m: thats what i needed to know - thanks! [22:02:05] <biafra> RavenSlay3r: mmv "*.cc" "#1.cpp" should do it [22:02:09] *** h3sp4wn has joined #opensolaris [22:02:20] <biafra> RavenSlay3r: you may need to install mmv [22:02:33] <RavenSlay3r> yeah, "mmv" doesn't seem to be installed [22:03:40] <RavenSlay3r> writing my own mmv would probably be the more entertaining excercise .. [22:04:34] <RavenSlay3r> not sure about the more productive one, lol [22:04:50] *** derchris has quit IRC [22:04:57] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [22:10:38] <biafra> codestr0m: it doen not boot diffeerent now. http://senduit.com/714a0e [22:10:57] <biafra> codestr0m: can you help me with this? [22:11:28] *** jstephan has quit IRC [22:11:54] <codestr0m> biafra: not exactly, but I can tell you why that's happpening [22:12:03] <codestr0m> your boot_archive and kernel version don't match.. [22:12:17] <codestr0m> if you can back-up your data and reinstall this is most safe [22:14:04] <biafra> codestr0m: when reinstalling. can't I keep my zfs filesystems with the zones in it? [22:14:52] <biafra> codestr0m: or can I use a new zfs filesystem in the rpool to (re-)install? [22:15:10] <e^ipi> for the future, look up zone datasets [22:15:24] <e^ipi> my postgres zone's data is on an entirely different pool [22:18:47] <biafra> e^ipi: so I have to kill the rpool for a reinstall? [22:20:02] <e^ipi> yes [22:20:20] <e^ipi> the installer doesn't implement upgrades or repair installs yet [22:20:27] <kim0> any idea what the auto-install cd image of 2008.11 does exactly ?! [22:20:49] <quasi> installs os2 [22:21:47] *** clyons has joined #opensolaris [22:22:03] *** goOS has joined #opensolaris [22:22:53] <kim0> quasi: sorry os2 ? [22:23:04] <e^ipi> *whoosh* [22:23:31] <RavenSlay3r> lmao [22:24:00] <zimmermanc> everybody out of the pool [22:25:30] <codestr0m> kim0: have you tried it? [22:25:50] *** telpochyaotl has joined #opensolaris [22:25:59] <kim0> codestr0m: I'm downloading the iso now .. I understand it's some kinda network auto-installer .. [22:26:41] <codestr0m> kim0: you'll have to ask a more specific question.. otherwise the peanut gallery will... [22:27:05] <kim0> codestr0m: does this CD boot and setup an install server in the live environment ? [22:27:24] <codestr0m> kim0: never tried it [22:27:46] <kim0> ok, that was my specific question ;) [22:27:58] <alanc> auto-install is like jumpstart - see http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/auto_install/ [22:29:01] <kim0> thanks .. how does this CD iso fit in this picture [22:29:21] <codestr0m> alanc: the parts of xorg which can't be compiled with sun cc.. is that documented anywhere? [22:29:43] <codestr0m> kim0: I think you'll soon find out.. a best guess is.. you put the cd in and it will auto install opensolaris [22:29:47] <codestr0m> so be careful [22:29:52] <alanc> codestr0m: nope [22:30:12] <kim0> I'm hoping it will start an install server [22:30:17] <codestr0m> alanc: how much of it requires gcc.. like libffi 20 minutes of work or like 2 months.. [22:30:25] <codestr0m> (I mean to port it over) [22:31:04] <alanc> would have to ask steleman how long it took him to port it - he made it all work a while ago, just hasn't gotten the fixes in yet [22:31:30] <codestr0m> oh. so it's in cvsdude repo then I assume or possibly a local branch [22:31:45] <codestr0m> I was hoping it had merged with your fox gate [22:31:59] <alanc> one big chunk of code from Xorg 1.3 that Studio couldn't handle was the MMX/SSE intrinsics, that's moved from the server to libpixman in 1.5 [22:32:07] *** goOS has quit IRC [22:32:17] *** ln- has joined #opensolaris [22:32:19] *** mikefut has quit IRC [22:32:28] * zimmermanc is on day 2 of compiling avant with suncc ;) [22:32:33] <codestr0m> alanc: did you test at all with SSX or just SS11/12 [22:32:38] *** hsp has quit IRC [22:32:48] <codestr0m> zimmermanc: what ya buildin? [22:33:04] <codestr0m> oh I can guess based on whois [22:33:21] <e^ipi> or what he just said... [22:33:24] <codestr0m> zimmermanc: you know evoc was either trying to do that or did it? [22:33:29] <e^ipi> ;) [22:33:29] <alanc> I actually build all of Xorg upstream with Studio 12 - the only part that outright fails is vmmouse driver [22:33:32] <zimmermanc> https://launchpad.net/awn [22:33:46] <alanc> I have no idea what cvsdude is or where steleman would have put his patches [22:33:49] <zimmermanc> if he made the .spec for it, it fails on my machine [22:33:56] <codestr0m> e^ipi: I mistook avant for a word in english as apposed to a part of a project [22:34:07] <alanc> and no, have had no time to try anything newer than Studio 12 [22:34:17] <e^ipi> i know, i'm just bugging [22:35:44] <alanc> we could build 1.3 with Studio 10/11/12 without the MMX/SSE intrinsics, our performance just dropped 40% in the Render benchmarks, including anti-aliased text, so we chose gcc to get the faster performance there [22:36:21] <codestr0m> alanc: based on my experience.. SSX handles any inline asm *a lot* better [22:36:31] <codestr0m> when it comes time I'll give feedback/patches [22:37:16] <alanc> we can't use SSX for Solaris builds though [22:37:36] <codestr0m> heh.. it's funny.. SSX is considered less stable than gcc [22:37:37] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris [22:38:05] <codestr0m> I do admit though that the included 3.4.x gcc is rock solid though [22:38:22] <cypromis> nop its not [22:38:37] <codestr0m> cypromis: show me a place where it generates bad code [22:38:41] <cypromis> it is only if you switch it to -O0 [22:38:53] <cypromis> if I try to have an optimisd version of the gsm libraries [22:38:56] <cypromis> it screws it up [22:39:01] <cypromis> also it breaks on spidermonkey [22:39:04] <cypromis> and some other stuff we use [22:39:15] <cypromis> as does any other incarnation of the gross c compiler [22:39:21] <codestr0m> cypromis: yeah well. I didn't say it will optimize to the max you ricer ;) [22:39:31] <cypromis> no it will break [22:39:34] <cypromis> it will not optimise [22:39:47] <codestr0m> (shrugs) it's a bug and should be fixed like any other [22:39:48] <e^ipi> codestr0m, nested loops. [22:40:01] <e^ipi> there's your example [22:40:22] <codestr0m> oh.. I don't use it.. gcc == barf [22:40:31] <e^ipi> no, not barf but seriously slow [22:40:50] <codestr0m> ok. I just found it funny that gcc > SSX [22:42:14] *** WormDrink has joined #opensolaris [22:42:17] *** Phoicos has joined #opensolaris [22:42:24] <Phoicos> Hello [22:42:55] <Phoicos> Is anyone familliar with how to correctly setup a static IP on a new install of OpenSolaris 2008.05? [22:43:02] <Phoicos> 64 bit [22:43:30] <alanc> never said gcc > SSX, just that SSX is not one of the approved compilers, since it's not a release with support/patches/etc. [22:44:02] <Phoicos> My ethernet is rtls0 [22:45:02] *** Phoicos is now known as StayTuned [22:45:15] <StayTuned> Phoicos == StayTuned [22:45:23] *** Trident has quit IRC [22:45:31] *** Trident has joined #opensolaris [22:46:11] <oxygene> codestr0m: I ran into a couple of ICEs in the gcc included in sxce101 just today. "rock solid"? sure.. [22:47:09] <codestr0m> oxygene: ok ok.. my experience with gcc 3.4.6 on gentoo was very good.. I *ass*umed 3.4.x would be similar between the two [22:48:03] <e^ipi> good, or good in comparison with the rest of gentoo? [22:48:22] <StayTuned> e^ipi hello [22:48:33] <e^ipi> yo [22:48:48] <StayTuned> I need to figure out how to set up a static IP [22:48:56] <StayTuned> under OpenSolaris [22:49:00] <e^ipi> neat. [22:49:03] <StayTuned> preferrably soon [22:49:24] <StayTuned> I am in the Startup Essentials program [22:49:27] <oxygene> StayTuned: edit /etc/hostname.yourNICdevice, enter your desired IP in there [22:49:46] <StayTuned> ok [22:49:57] <e^ipi> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4554/gbwxb?a=view [22:50:15] <e^ipi> and disable nwam in favour of network/physical:default [22:50:45] <e^ipi> S10SAG wins again. [22:51:18] <StayTuned> ok [22:52:31] <e^ipi> man, we should just print it, and attach an opensolaris CD and have /that/ be the marketing kit [22:53:47] <StayTuned> :) [22:54:17] <Gman> e^ipi: http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolarisInfo/OpenSolaris+System+Administration+Tasks+List is pretty good too [22:54:21] <eviljames> Anyone have a good link for changes in hw support between 2008.05 and 2008.11? [22:55:01] *** FreakGuard_ has joined #opensolaris [22:55:08] <e^ipi> Gman, yeah' that's not bad but too howto-y for my tastes... you learn how to do one task rather than picking up some peripheral knowledge in the process [22:55:20] <FreakGuard_> VBox osol: grub: 37 - file system not found - what to try out with? [22:57:32] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris [23:04:07] <eviljames> e^ipi: How likely is it that I will break something by noodling around trying to force a driver to attach to a device it doesn't recognize? [23:04:43] <eviljames> e^ipi: I realize "highly" is the correct answer, but from what I can tell osol supports the device/chipset, just doesn't recognize the brand name. [23:04:57] <e^ipi> eh, shouldn't be irreparable damage if it does any [23:05:10] <e^ipi> just mucking about with driver_aliases ? [23:06:28] <eviljames> Well, that certainly leads into my next question. I have a little raid card that says it is an adaptec 1220SA [23:06:36] <dep> eviljames: it's hard to say. sometimes you'll be lucky and the driver will work just fine. sometimes it really can't operate the hardware, and the effects could range from nothing at all to hard hangs to data corruption. [23:06:45] <eviljames> Reading through bsd driver source tells me the device is actually a cmd 3132 [23:07:17] <eviljames> 1220SA says "driver missing" with vendor id 0x1095 and device id 0x0242, but from what I can tell [23:07:33] <eviljames> sorry, from what I can tell is that the device is supported but not under these ids. [23:08:17] <telpochyaotl> wow... it seems it was a bad idea to install emacs... seems that installing emacs broke python or something along those lines and with it pkg [23:08:19] <e^ipi> try it [23:08:31] <e^ipi> worst that happens is you put it back to the way you found it later *shrug* [23:08:35] <Stric> 1210SA wasn't a raid card, but a fake raid card with a raid sticker.. so maybe 1220sa is one too [23:08:47] <Stric> can you turn it into jbod/sata mode? [23:08:48] <eviljames> Stric: Even if it is, I'd be using it as JBOD anyway. [23:08:59] *** mega has quit IRC [23:09:03] <telpochyaotl> anyone can help fixing this: ImportError: ld.so.1: python2.4: fatal: relocation error: file /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1: symbol MD5Init: referenced symbol not found [23:09:04] <eviljames> Just want to add some more sata ports to the machine. [23:09:14] <e^ipi> eviljames, my SiL3114 needed a firmware flash in order to work [23:09:17] <e^ipi> yours may as well [23:09:35] *** biafra has quit IRC [23:09:41] <eviljames> Thanks for the help dudes and dudettes (as the case may be) [23:09:51] <e^ipi> see if there's a 'strip the raid out' firmware somewhere [23:09:58] <e^ipi> do we have any women around ? [23:10:11] *** stevel has quit IRC [23:10:26] <e^ipi> i don't think we do, none come to mind that hang out here [23:12:28] <codestr0m> e^ipi: you pissed off christel and she used to be around here :P [23:16:03] *** biafra has joined #opensolaris [23:16:09] *** biafra has quit IRC [23:17:45] *** esaxe has quit IRC [23:17:57] *** esaxe has joined #opensolaris [23:19:01] *** hajma has joined #opensolaris [23:20:17] *** biafra has joined #opensolaris [23:20:19] <oxygene> there might also be a jumper to switch between modes [23:20:30] <eviljames> Thinking about it a little more, maybe I should use the card to do raid1 for / [23:20:58] <eviljames> oxygene: I can at least answer with certainty that is not the case. [23:21:27] *** StayTuned has quit IRC [23:22:57] *** maverickbna has joined #opensolaris [23:23:06] <hajma> Hi, how do I add additional swap to osol(latest rc)? the usual way via creating a file and adding it with swap -a does not work and I couldn't google anything useful. TIA [23:24:33] <c00p> hajma: yeh I have not read into any swap manipulation yet with ZFS root. Please let me know if you find any good doco :) [23:26:39] <telpochyaotl> so, now that i've broken pkg, any chance of fixing it or is reinstalling the only choice? [23:28:13] *** Administrador has joined #opensolaris [23:28:28] *** maverickbna is now known as ShadowHntr [23:28:48] *** Administrador is now known as gerxion [23:28:52] <eviljames> e^ipi: 3 things: 1) Forgot where I would make the change, 2) I was going to try on livecd first, but I don't think it will magically figure out the device after the pci.id is changed correct? and 3) Maybe the files have been updated in .11? [23:29:43] *** gerxion has quit IRC [23:32:57] *** myosound has quit IRC [23:33:29] *** hrist has joined #opensolaris [23:35:24] *** prav33n has quit IRC [23:36:16] *** AxeZ has quit IRC [23:37:05] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [23:38:55] *** Dar has quit IRC [23:40:47] <RavenSlay3r> codestr0m: figured it out and got it to work! [23:40:58] <codestr0m> RavenSlay3r: good [23:41:22] <RavenSlay3r> ty [23:42:06] <codestr0m> RavenSlay3r: for bash/shell related things the guys in #bash are pretty helpful.. the ksh93 online examples and other things are also around.. (even if sometimes not easy to find) [23:44:06] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [23:44:26] <telpochyaotl> is .11 close to be released ? [23:45:34] <telpochyaotl> i'm looking for something stable to work on... seems like i broke .5 too easily [23:45:38] <RavenSlay3r> good to know - with the hints you gave me I was able to find examples in google and some piceces from the book and put it together. [23:49:03] *** PersonXXL has joined #opensolaris [23:49:10] <telpochyaotl> after running pkg to install emacs now java dumps core, Segmentation Fault [23:52:18] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [23:54:03] <dustman> telpochyaotl: check 2008.11RC2 from genunix [23:54:58] <PersonXXL> when 2008.11 will be released? [23:55:13] <PersonXXL> I think install RC2 or waite few days for release.. [23:56:14] *** ubuntero has joined #opensolaris [23:56:33] <ubuntero> hi. i was wondering what that nice web-interface for disk-management is called [23:57:01] <ubuntero> and how i could find this out myself, cant come here and ask every single thing or can i? ;) [23:57:34] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [23:58:03] <master_of_master> hi, has anyone managed to boot snv with zfs root as xen domU? [23:58:21] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [23:59:52] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris