[00:00:29] <eviljames> prav33n: Perhaps he should pastebin the output ifconfig -a ?
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[00:00:46] <prav33n> eviljames, iHateWindows Yeah
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[00:01:51] <eviljames> iHateWindows: Are you familiar with pastebin or ifconfig?
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[00:02:11] <eviljames> iHateWindows: and you have installed at this point, not live cd, right?
[00:04:44] <FreakGuard> is it somehow possible to change the console to VT? working without backspace is annoying
[00:05:15] <iHateWindows> Pastebin, no
[00:05:34] <eviljames> iHateWindows: http://pastebin.ca - copy/paste something and then send out the link.
[00:05:35] <iHateWindows> eviljames, I can't even get that pastebin url to load
[00:05:43] <iHateWindows> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1266202
[00:06:13] <eviljames> very odd, I see it here.
[00:06:36] <iHateWindows> Strange... I'm hitting refresh to no avail
[00:06:48] <prav33n> iHateWindows, From which machine are you using the IRC chat?
[00:06:53] <eviljames> Can you get to http://pastebin.ca ?
[00:07:02] <iHateWindows> From my iMac
[00:07:04] <prav33n> iHateWindows, Are you already connected to Internet on the OpenSolaris machine?
[00:07:21] <eviljames> oh right.
[00:07:22] <iHateWindows> I don't have internet on the laptop since there's no wifi, you see
[00:07:25] <prav33n> iHateWindows, Where do you run your OpenSolaris machine?
[00:07:33] * eviljames forgets that iHateWindows is trying to *get* online...
[00:07:34] <iHateWindows> from the laptop
[00:07:38] <eviljames> heh
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[00:07:55] <prav33n> Is it a different laptop than the one where Mac is running?
[00:08:02] <prav33n> Or is it the same laptop?
[00:08:08] <eviljames> It's different, I covered that :)
[00:08:15] <prav33n> OKay
[00:08:31] <iHateWindows> iMac isn't a laptop btw...
[00:08:35] <iHateWindows> Anyway
[00:08:39] <eviljames> Further, I assume as much because he's trying to get online, wifi doesn't work, his ethernet has no driver..
[00:08:54] <prav33n> If there is no Internet connectivity on the OpenSolaris laptop, he can't copy paste in pastebin
[00:09:05] <eviljames> heh, which is why I was laughing at myself above.
[00:09:09] <iHateWindows> If I simply download and install OpenSolaris 2008.11 will I skip all this coding?
[00:09:22] <eviljames> iHateWindows: Possibly.
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[00:09:41] <prav33n> What does the output of 'ifconfig -a' shows in the terminal?
[00:09:47] <iHateWindows> eviljames, how possibly?
[00:09:51] <iHateWindows> eviljames, like 90%?
[00:10:13] <eviljames> iHateWindows: I'll give you 50% odds, just on grounds that I know a ton of work has gone towards 2008.11, but I don't know the specifics of that work.
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[00:10:26] <zimmermanc> iHateWindows, can't get your network card working?
[00:10:52] <zimmermanc> tried downloading a newer driver for it? i had to for mine
[00:10:53] <iHateWindows> zimmermanc, no unfortunately :(
[00:11:02] <zimmermanc> realtek card?
[00:11:24] <iHateWindows> My next question... how do I break the laptop?  On my knee of through the window?
[00:11:48] <iHateWindows> realtek... yes
[00:12:11] <iHateWindows> (scratching the LCD with a pen)
[00:12:26] <zimmermanc> http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/bfe-2.6.0a.tar.gz
[00:12:30] <zimmermanc> use that there
[00:12:33] <eviljames> iHateWindows: I have found the most effective methods for breaking laptops include Kerosene, ice picks, nails, a water buffalo, a 9 iron, and matches.
[00:12:41] <iHateWindows> I wish I knew how
[00:12:47] <eviljames> Combine any number of those things together, and it will provide you with a very effective method to demolish a laptop.
[00:12:56] <Auralis_> i', partial to 14.5mm
[00:13:10] <codestr0m> hej. can we focus in here a little better?
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[00:13:44] <iHateWindows> (sobs) I tried installing Mandriiva, Ubuntu, SUSE, Solaris... but only OpenSolaris worked... apart for WiFi
[00:13:51] <eviljames> codestr0m: I'd say we're fairly productive and on topic today. :P
[00:14:12] <iHateWindows> (Takes his gun out of the drawer and places it softly under his jaw)
[00:14:22] <norman> bye bye iHateWindows
[00:14:38] <eviljames> iHateWindows: Very weird.  I'm fairly surprised that ubuntu didn't work... I give those discs away to anyone who is tired of windows, but not computer literate enough to bother with solaris or bsd or such.
[00:14:39] <iHateWindows> Oh, shit
[00:14:45] <iHateWindows> Humidity...
[00:14:52] <codestr0m> iHateWindows: I don't mean to pick on you, but honestly.. there's a more productive way to get help and for those contributing to this please stop
[00:15:07] <dustman> there's alway option of using Windows
[00:15:14] <zimmermanc> codestr0m,  i gave him the answer already :D
[00:15:31] <iHateWindows> Yeah, sorry... (fixes his hair)
[00:15:46] <eviljames> zimmermanc: as a matter of fact, I think you're the only one who provided a productive answer..
[00:16:12] <iHateWindows> BTW: OpenSolaris 2008.11 Release Candidate 1b - * Please note that this is an experimental build and not the final release.
[00:16:22] <eviljames> iHateWindows: In addendum to codestr0m's comment, I do recommend a long, long session of rtfm..
[00:16:28] <iHateWindows> Looks like 2008.11 is a beta version afterall
[00:16:43] <iHateWindows> What's RTFM?
[00:16:46] <eviljames> uh oh.
[00:16:48] <Auralis_> .11 works a lot better then .05
[00:16:52] <dustman> strange, 'release candidate'
[00:17:06] <dustman> heh
[00:17:15] <eviljames> iHateWindows: read the fscking manual. :D
[00:17:34] <iHateWindows> what manual sorry?
[00:17:37] <codestr0m> just fyi.. instead of rtfm which is sometimes needed pointing out the specific link to the manual is usually a lot more helpful
[00:18:01] <codestr0m> iHateWindows: he's referring to docs.sun.com in general I think..
[00:18:07] <eviljames> codestr0m: Yeah, but this isn't just some specifics.  I think he should go through and read up on many things solaris.
[00:18:25] <codestr0m> eviljames: be specific. that's how you can help best rtfm is lazy way
[00:18:41] <iHateWindows> Please stop talking in code, thats for the Terminal... fyi rtfm...?
[00:19:31] <codestr0m> iHateWindows: good luck
[00:19:36] <codestr0m> nite all
[00:19:41] <dustman> iHateWindows: people just suggest trying to spend time on googling and reading
[00:19:53] <eviljames> dustman: Seconded, motion carries.
[00:20:25] <eviljames> iHateWindows: There is a lot of documentation for OpenSolaris.  many, many books available for free at http://docs.sun.com/
[00:20:29] <dustman> iHateWindows: there's no easy way of getting knowledge on opensolaris
[00:20:52] <sbahra> iHateWindows, have you tried Linux or FreeBSD?
[00:20:53] <dustman> unless you have *a lot* of time, drop it
[00:21:11] <dustman> I'd go with PC-BSD, easier
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[00:21:17] <iHateWindows> No (sighs) I'll have to install Vista again
[00:21:23] <iHateWindows> ppfff...
[00:21:26] <norman> Or try ubuntu again ;)
[00:21:32] <sbahra> iHateWindows, try PC-BSD :)
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[00:21:43] <sbahra> iHateWindows, http://www.pcbsd.org/
[00:21:59] <iHateWindows> Heh, Ubuntu gives me a black screen when I select "install" from the booted CD
[00:22:26] <iHateWindows> sbahra, PC-BSD - what's that?
[00:22:29] <dustman> iHateWindows: maybe your problem is related to hardware failure?
[00:22:45] <iHateWindows> Vista works normally, can't bethat
[00:22:46] * eviljames backs out of this convo...
[00:22:48] <dustman> iHateWindows: have you checked the link?
[00:23:07] <iHateWindows> eviljames, thanks for your help
[00:23:10] <sbahra> iHateWindows, I just gave you the website. Click on the "about" link
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[00:23:27] <iHateWindows> eviljames, your time, for the most part
[00:23:28] <dustman> people expect others to read where they've been pointed to
[00:24:17] <eviljames> iHateWindows: No worries.  Check out some other alternat OS though, FreeBSD (http://freebsd.org), PC-BSD (http://pcbsd.org/), Slackware (my favorite of linuxes, but as user friendly as a rattlesnake...)
[00:24:29] <norman> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/ I would suggest this site :)
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[00:26:03] <iHateWindows> sbahra, Wow PC-BSD... (gazes off for a second)...
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[00:26:25] <iHateWindows> sbahra, does it involve codes and terminal commands?
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[00:26:53] <eviljames> iHateWindows: Pretty much everything other than OSX and Windows will.
[00:27:09] <Auralis_> even OSx needs terminal commands form time to time
[00:27:17] <iHateWindows> Sorry eviljames, what does that mean?
[00:27:19] <e^ipi> you can get away without them
[00:27:30] <eviljames> iHateWindows: But it's worthwhile learning, I can do a ton of stuff in the terminal that simply wouldn't be possible (or would be extremely difficult/time consuming) to achieve.
[00:27:46] <iHateWindows> I never use the terminal on Mac OS X, well, only once to play tetris (easter egg)
[00:27:54] <eviljames> iHateWindows: The terminal, it will be useful for anything other than macos or windows.
[00:27:58] <e^ipi> i use it constantly
[00:28:07] <eviljames> I'm using it right now.
[00:28:32] <e^ipi> i meant in OSX, i usually have half a dozen terminal windows up
[00:28:51] <iHateWindows> On PC-BSD, do I need the terminal to enable WiFI, or when I install, voila, it'll all work?
[00:29:01] <turtle> do you use iterm?
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[00:29:08] <turtle> or apple's terminal?
[00:29:08] <iHateWindows> What, no.
[00:29:13] <iHateWindows> Never
[00:29:21] <e^ipi> turtle: just Terminal.app
[00:29:36] <iHateWindows> I've got it, but I never use it
[00:29:37] <e^ipi> i played with iterm but didn't really see the point
[00:29:40] <turtle> iterm has improved a lot you should give it a whirl
[00:29:50] <e^ipi> iHateWindows: i don't think he was asking you
[00:29:56] <iHateWindows> I might as well delete it, it's a waste of space...
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[00:30:06] <iHateWindows> Oh, sorry xxx
[00:30:45] <e^ipi> iHateWindows: but basically, if you don't ever want to see a command line, UNIX or any of it's doppelgangers is not likely for you
[00:30:53] <iHateWindows> sbahra, is PC-BSD easy, will the WiFi automatically work after installation etc?
[00:30:53] <turtle> there's two reasons i use iterm, a) if you have a black background and black text it's too dumb to make the text visible, b) there's this thing i have to use a lot at work that has a fancy clicky cli interface but mouse clickie no work on terminal.app :-(
[00:30:58] <turtle> so there we go :-)
[00:31:18] <iHateWindows> Oooh...
[00:31:55] <eviljames> iHateWindows: PC-BSD should work good for you.
[00:32:07] <sbahra> iHateWindows, #PCBSD or ##FreeBSD please.
[00:32:11] <sbahra> iHateWindows, you can ask there.
[00:32:32] <iHateWindows> eviljames, I hope you're not joking, FREEBSD is impossible to use...
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[00:32:40] <sbahra> ...
[00:32:47] <FreakGuard> is there some "starter doc for linux users" to read offline?
[00:32:48] <iHateWindows> I don't know about PC BSD
[00:32:51] <e^ipi> eviljames: of the BSD distros i'm more a fan of desktop rather than pc... pcbsd's use of non-standard packages rubs me the wrong way
[00:32:51] <sbahra> iHateWindows, take the discussion to #PCBSD.
[00:33:01] <e^ipi> FreakGuard: yes, they're in the topic
[00:33:03] <sbahra> Desktop rather than PC?
[00:33:06] <sbahra> I'm a Mac.
[00:33:09] <e^ipi> the unix rosetta stone and the S10SAG
[00:33:15] <iHateWindows> I'm a Piss Eee
[00:33:40] <e^ipi> sbahra: osx isn't a freebsd distro... desktopbsd and pcbsd are
[00:33:48] <sbahra> There is a DesktopBSD?
[00:33:49] <FreakGuard> e^ipi, the sysadmin-collection?
[00:33:53] * sbahra checks
[00:33:55] <eviljames> sbahra: I was juste about to ask the same thing.
[00:33:56] <e^ipi> FreakGuard: yes
[00:34:00] <FreakGuard> kay
[00:34:03] <sbahra> God.
[00:34:04] <sbahra> Ugly.
[00:34:12] <sbahra> PCBSD and DesktopBSD have ugly websites. :(
[00:34:14] <iHateWindows> Eh, OSX  is based on FreeBSD... even I know that
[00:34:18] <eviljames> hahaha
[00:34:25] <eviljames> iHateWindows: No, it's not based on FreeBSD.
[00:34:30] <Archite> iHateWindows, the userland and some of the kernel
[00:34:30] <e^ipi> iHateWindows: no, it's not.
[00:34:38] <e^ipi> some of the userland
[00:34:44] <Archite> [it's actually based off of NeXT which was based of BSD 4.3 and then revamped with FreeBSD code
[00:34:46] <e^ipi> and a tiny part of the kernel
[00:34:47] <sbahra> If you are going to go with a desktop BSD, go with PCBSD. Since you have commercial support there.
[00:34:52] <iHateWindows> What's OSX based on then?
[00:34:58] <turtle> iHateWindows: next
[00:35:00] <e^ipi> it's based on NeXTStep
[00:35:05] <eviljames> Mach
[00:35:05] <sbahra> eviljames, actually, a sizable amount of OS X is based on FreeBSD.
[00:35:05] <iHateWindows> Oh...
[00:35:08] <sbahra> e^ipi, barely.
[00:35:13] <Archite> iHateWindows, you know, they make this thing called wikipedia... ;)
[00:35:21] <FreakGuard> nice, even a .zip ;)
[00:35:26] <iHateWindows> Will I ever see console on PC BSD?
[00:35:33] <sbahra> It just so happens some "core" components are based on Mach (very little NeXT).
[00:35:35] <e^ipi> iHateWindows: yes
[00:35:40] <iHateWindows> Fuck it then
[00:35:40] <eviljames> iHateWindows: You should ask questions about pcbsd in #pcbsd
[00:35:49] <iHateWindows> Installs Vista
[00:35:53] <Archite> sbahra, yes, they're trying to move away from it
[00:35:57] <dustman> iHateWindows: good
[00:35:58] <e^ipi> sbahra: thing with desktopbsd is it's just freebsd with a different installer and kde installed by default
[00:36:03] <sbahra> Archite, no.
[00:36:08] <eviljames> g'head and install windows, but don't whine about the alternatives if you don't take the time to understand them.
[00:36:10] <Archite> well, when I worked there we were
[00:36:12] <dustman> and pc-bsd sucks
[00:36:13] <sbahra> Archite, they've invested already a good amount into their FreeBSD portions.
[00:36:21] <iHateWindows> And the infamous Activateion Windows appears...
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[00:36:38] <Gnu_Raiz> anyone see the report that vista has a kernel buffer overflow defect security threat.
[00:36:45] <Archite> ah, I though you were talking about my last comment, sbahra  ;)
[00:36:46] <e^ipi> this surprises you?
[00:36:46] <dustman> they took beta freebsd and mixed with beta kde
[00:36:47] <sbahra> Archite, yeah, jkh@ told me the same thing.
[00:36:57] <dustman> combo simply sucks
[00:36:59] <sbahra> Archite, they are planning to move some things to L4.
[00:37:03] <eviljames> Gnu_Raiz: I heard one about UAC having that type of threat, thus negating MS' entire new security architecture.
[00:37:04] <Gnu_Raiz> seems to effect everthing but XP, its a good time to like Opensolaris.
[00:37:07] <Archite> L4 looks very interesting
[00:37:13] <sbahra> Archite, what did you use to do there?
[00:37:28] <e^ipi> Archite: yeah, so does HURD
[00:37:39] <sbahra> Gnu_Raiz, huh?
[00:37:41] <Archite> well, will HURD ever be released
[00:37:45] <sbahra> e^ipi, what does HURD have to do with L4?
[00:37:45] <e^ipi> and duke nukem forever will run like awesome on them
[00:37:54] <FreakGuard> that's a damn bunch of doc O.o
[00:38:03] <e^ipi> FreakGuard: you asked...
[00:38:06] <sbahra> L4 was always a research OS
[00:38:08] <eviljames> Archite: No, never.
[00:38:10] <Gnu_Raiz> http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/11/24/vista-kernel-vulnerable
[00:38:11] <Archite> so, iHateWindows gave up on Solaris?
[00:38:13] <FreakGuard> e^ipi, I got the answer...
[00:38:28] <iHateWindows> Yep
[00:38:32] <FreakGuard> e^ipi, i wasn't complaining ;)
[00:38:34] <iHateWindows> 'fraid so...
[00:38:37] <Gnu_Raiz> the uac would not surprise me either.
[00:38:38] <Archite> I always wanted to try HURD but it looked like too much work and I'm lazy
[00:38:54] <iHateWindows> Oh, I disable the UAC, pain in the ass, I know
[00:39:16] <iHateWindows> Thank GOD my main computer in a superfast Leopard Mac
[00:39:39] <zimmermanc> wow thats retarded
[00:39:40] <iHateWindows> (Pulls his cock out and rubs it on him iMac)
[00:39:41] <turtle> yeah mine too, with zfs and shit!
[00:39:45] * dustman dislikes Macs
[00:39:56] <zimmermanc> "news... if your root, you can exploit your own machine...more at 11"
[00:39:56] * turtle dislikes dust
[00:39:59] <e^ipi> iHateWindows: don't be vulgar. considrer that a warning
[00:40:01] <zimmermanc> lol
[00:40:05] <iHateWindows> what... there's no ZFS in Leopard... there will be in Snow Leopard though
[00:40:17] <e^ipi> there is zfs in leopard
[00:40:24] <dustman> iHateWindows: reading is useful skill
[00:40:28] <dustman> try to learn it
[00:40:29] <turtle> but hard
[00:40:30] <eviljames> Who cares?  There's zfs in opensolaris!
[00:40:32] <eviljames> and it works great!
[00:40:33] <Chipdancer_> the question is will it be the primary file system?
[00:40:35] <turtle> it hurts your noggin
[00:40:46] <sbahra> Archite, so?
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[00:40:58] <iHateWindows> e^ipi, yeah, sorry, I lost myself for a second (puts it back in)
[00:41:09] <e^ipi> one more and you're gone.
[00:41:14] <iHateWindows> Gone?
[00:41:17] <Archite> sorry, at work
[00:41:22] <iHateWindows> What where?
[00:41:29] <Archite> they actually expect me to do things here, those bastards ;)
[00:41:43] <zimmermanc> archite - no point really
[00:41:56] <zimmermanc> unless your looking to develop for it, or want a research os for developing micro kernels
[00:41:57] <sbahra> Archite, no problem.
[00:42:00] <Archite> it's actually nice, all I do is administer loads of OpenSolaris systems
[00:42:03] <sbahra> Archite, but what kind of stuff were you doing @Apple?
[00:42:08] <zimmermanc> other than that, it's hardly an os
[00:42:19] <sbahra> or did I misunderstand?
[00:42:43] <zimmermanc> gnu hurd i mean
[00:43:06] <Gnu_Raiz> if it has zfs, then I would say that it will boost apples share in the server market.
[00:43:46] <dustman> Gnu_Raiz: only insane mac zealot would use mac as a server
[00:43:51] <Archite> zfs would be nice but w/o zones...
[00:43:55] <sbahra> Well.
[00:43:59] <sbahra> Mac OS X has some nice options as a server.
[00:44:04] <sbahra> Yes, it is really insecure.
[00:44:08] <zimmermanc> like?
[00:44:11] <bda> dustman: Lots of shops use OS X Server because they're OS X shops.
[00:44:12] <Archite> I hate os x as a server, personally.
[00:44:14] <sbahra> zimmermanc, MAC.
[00:44:16] <Archite> Love it as a desktop though
[00:44:20] <sbahra> zimmermanc, AUDIT.
[00:44:23] <Gnu_Raiz> apple still has a server presence.
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[00:44:32] <sbahra> zimmermanc, jails.
[00:44:37] <Archite> not on the itunes store ;)
[00:44:40] <sbahra> zimmermanc, though jails aren't officially part of Mac OS X.
[00:44:46] <dustman> bda: who said mac users are sane?
[00:44:54] <Archite> heh
[00:44:57] <bda> I dunno, a fair amount of the print/pre-press industry?
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[00:45:17] <norman> Archite: Are zones so important / often used?
[00:45:18] <iHateWindows> what's a jail?
[00:46:00] <Archite> iHateWindows, jails won't work as you cannot really chroot in os x
[00:46:20] <Archite> they are to me. It's a nice alternative to other forms of virtualization
[00:46:29] * bda is a very heavy zone user.
[00:46:41] <dustman> bda: mac for desktop got strong points, but for server...
[00:47:07] <bda> dustman: It's fine, depending on context. Especially if you're serving both older and new OS X clients.
[00:47:12] <Gnu_Raiz> well based on bsd, might make a good server, but hard to configure.
[00:47:17] <iHateWindows> chroot?
[00:47:18] <bda> I'm not saying it isn't a pain in the ass, but in a given infrastructure, it has its place.
[00:47:22] <bda> Like anything else.
[00:47:23] <iHateWindows> Aaagh, my head
[00:47:27] <iHateWindows> Bye bye
[00:47:31] <iHateWindows> thanks for everythng
[00:47:34] <iHateWindows> much love
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[00:47:36] <iHateWindows> xxxxxxx
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[00:48:33] <norman> I want to set up a (small) server for a dorm and wanted to try solaris. Does it make sense to use a zone for every service. Like one for webserver, one for the db, one for dhcp, etc.?
[00:48:43] <sbahra> Archite, I ported them to Mac OS X.
[00:49:51] <e^ipi> norman: that's what I do
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[00:51:32] <norman> I just wondered if this is overstated in this case, because it will only serve about 100 people that will mostly use the routing/dhcp part of the server
[00:51:43] <e^ipi> zones are dirt cheap
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[00:52:21] <e^ipi> you don't really lose much at all, a couple hundred k of ram and a few megs of disk
[00:52:54] <e^ipi> no real reason why not to use zones
[00:52:59] <bda> IPs.
[00:53:03] <bda> Some management overhead.
[00:53:06] <e^ipi> okay, yes... IP's
[00:53:20] <bda> For a small single-use I don't think there's a huge reason to use them, except as a learning exercise.
[00:53:23] <bda> (which is certainly valid)
[00:53:53] <bda> Though, honestly, I'm so lazy that prstat -Z is almost reason enough. :)
[00:54:21] <Archite> heh
[00:54:35] <Archite> I use them for testing and application isolation
[00:54:48] <bda> Same. Nothing in the global but sshd and nfsd.
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[00:55:15] <Archite> I've been having troubles with brandz 2.6 though
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[00:55:46] <norman> Yes, of course, most of this will be a learning exercise. But I hope, it will be fun :)
[00:56:32] <Archite> It is. I find Solaris to be loads of fun compared to most Linux's though I'm still fond of my BSD's for servers, hehh
[00:57:13] <norman> Currently trying FreeBSD, but wanted to try something different - and my choice was solaris
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[00:57:47] <Archite> I'm generally an OpenBSD guy myself but I find OpenSolaris much better on my laptop for day to day use as well as work
[00:57:56] <sbahra> :-/
[00:58:04] <sbahra> OpenBSD, lolz
[00:58:10] <e^ipi> Archite: and it actually works on SMP
[00:58:21] <Archite> OpenBSD?
[00:58:32] <bda> OpenBSD, lolz?
[00:58:32] <Archite> it's worked with SMP on my boxes longer than FreeBSD has ;
[00:58:33] <Archite> ;)
[00:58:47] <e^ipi> worked as in booted, or worked as in not-ass-slow
[00:59:02] <Archite> ah, yes, there is a bit of slowness to be sure
[00:59:04] <e^ipi> don't get me wrong, i like openbsd a lot, but a speed demon it a'int
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[00:59:30] <Archite> I wouldn't use it for a file server, for sure but as a desktop, you can get away with it
[00:59:40] <Stric> back in the days, I changed an openbsd install into solaris 2.4 .. and got a massive speedup.. and solaris 2.4 was no speed demon either ;)
[00:59:46] <Archite> I once spent 3 months using nothing but OpenBSD and the CLI (no X) for fun
[01:00:00] <zimmermanc> anyone know what the difference is between Python Early access and the hg version
[01:00:01] <Archite> Stric, you should try 4.4
[01:00:03] <zimmermanc> anything big?
[01:00:58] <dustman> yeah, OpenBSD got great hardware support and high quality packages
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[01:03:45] <Archite> well, dustman, the only problem is that they're sometimes old but beyond that, not bad
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[01:05:02] <dustman> Archite: it's not the only problem, they are also unsupported in -stable
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[01:06:28] <sbahra> As a desktop, you can get away with it?
[01:06:35] <sbahra> I like to make use of my SMP. :-)
[01:06:41] <sbahra> And I like responsiveness in my desktop, Archite.
[01:07:14] <sbahra> Archite, they've had "SMP support" longer than FreeBSD has properly supported SMP, sure.
[01:07:22] <axisys> with rcap.max-rss=500M I can lock a process to 500 meg ..but I do say if it gets more than 500M then restart using may be a resource cap trick or dtrace trick.. short of righting a bash script with if logic
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[01:07:37] <axisys> but how do I rather..
[01:08:13] <axisys> s/righting/writing/ (can't type)
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[01:09:20] <Stric> I can't even parse the second sentence
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[01:10:18] <axisys> with rcap.max-rss=500M I can lock a process to 500 meg ..but how do I, say if it gets more than 500M then restart using may be a resource cap trick or dtrace trick.. short of writing a bash script with if logic
[01:10:29] <axisys> Stric: hope it make sense this time?!
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[01:11:46] <Stric> s/may be/maybe/ ?
[01:12:11] <axisys> lol.. ok let me rephrase the question
[01:12:13] <Stric> are you trying to ask what you can do with a process if it bumps into the limit?
[01:12:21] <Archite> anybody get gnustepweb working on OpenSolaris?
[01:12:35] <eviljames> Stric: That looks like precisely what he's asking.
[01:13:08] <eviljames> not to interject, but I deal with a lot of communications problems in my office (we have no standard language, some communication happens in English, French, Mandarin, etc...)
[01:13:28] <axisys> can I automatically restart an app, with the help of dtrace and/or resource control, if its RSS goes over 500MB ?
[01:13:35] <Stric> just trying to sort that out.. I have no idea about the solution :)
[01:13:52] <Stric> axisys: do you have control over the app?
[01:13:55] <Stric> (source)
[01:14:06] <axisys> Stric: not source
[01:14:27] <Stric> hrm. LD_PRELOAD.. which checks if malloc() returns 0, then _exit();   :)
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[01:14:46] <tsoome1> what happens if it will hit the cap?
[01:15:02] <tsoome1> guess it will get killed
[01:15:22] <tsoome1> so set it up as SMF service and SMF will restart it
[01:15:37] <Stric> malloc will probably return 0.. so either the app handles that.. or it goes kaboom
[01:15:38] <axisys> tsoome1: will it? so rcapadm kills an app when hits the cap ?
[01:15:44] <Stric> if it goes kaboom.. then.. well..
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[01:16:18] <tsoome1> im not sure if it does. anyhow, if it cant grow it will probably die by itself;)
[01:16:35] <Stric> or limp off into the sunset
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[01:16:43] <axisys> tsoome1: well i dont want that app to steal all OS memory
[01:17:07] <Stric> axisys: try setting the limit to "start size" + 1M  or so.. see what happens when it bumps into the limit
[01:17:44] <axisys> i guess i can use the good old bash script and check the rss thru ps and send a restart signal.. but i was wondering if dtrace and/or resource control may have a smarter way of doing it
[01:18:50] <axisys> Stric: cannot restart the app yet.. looking for a simple memory leak program ..
[01:19:10] <Stric> axisys: that probably won't behave exactly like your app
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[01:29:32] <zimmermanc> newb question
[01:29:53] <zimmermanc> how do i get home/end buttons working here
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[01:45:01] <Archite> such that home and end do what? Top of page or beginning of line?
[01:45:16] <zimmermanc> either
[01:45:30] <zimmermanc> from gnome term, home doesn't do anything
[01:45:39] <Archite> ctrl+a
[01:45:44] <Archite> ctrl+e for end
[01:46:03] <zimmermanc> interesting
[01:46:11] <Archite> bash, by default, uses emacs binding
[01:46:27] <Archite> so, you can also do alt+f to jump forward a word and all that good stuff
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[01:46:36] <Archite> even ctrl+f instead of right arrow
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[01:46:57] <zimmermanc> how would i set this to my more normal config, using home and end
[01:47:08] <Archite> I suggest moving your control key to where caps lock is though
[01:47:13] <zimmermanc> just setup shortcuts or, what 'binding can i change bash to'
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[01:48:17] <Archite> did you try: http://www.google.com/search?q=home+end+gnome-terminal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[01:48:50] <Archite> I'm sorry zimmermanc, I only use the standard keybinding and try to never touch home/end/pgp/pgdown/arrows
[01:49:03] <zimmermanc> ya first hit
[01:49:14] <Archite> http://www.zsh.org/mla/users/2008/msg00793.html
[01:49:26] <Archite> 10th one down from the link I sent you
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[01:51:12] <Archite> but zimmermanc, your better off learning those commands. They basically always work on any system
[01:51:46] <Archite> zimmermanc, http://www.hypexr.org/bash_tutorial.php#emacs_cmds
[01:52:02] <Archite> they're missing some good ones like ctr-t to swap characters but not a bad start
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[01:53:43] <zimmermanc> hrm
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[01:56:33] <zimmermanc> evidently screen doesn't play nicely with it
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[01:58:35] <CIA-34> George Wilson <George.Wilson at Sun dot COM>: 6775357 ZFS should have a way to export a pool without touching anything
[01:58:40] <zimmermanc> ctrl u and y look nice tho
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[02:04:31] <Archite> with screen it's ctrl-a a
[02:04:39] <Archite> they are useful
[02:04:41] <Archite> as is ctrl-k
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[02:05:36] <zimmermanc> ctrl-a -a switches me to prev screen window
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[02:07:29] <zimmermanc> Readline Key Bindings in the bash manual they say
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[02:27:45] <sladegen> ave, is there a text-install for osol-0811-100a-global.iso?
[02:27:59] <e^ipi> no
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[02:29:09] <sladegen> is there any way to not go through that pain... live cd "fails" with fork errors and i do not have more memory to spare for virtualbox.
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[02:30:19] <e^ipi> if it's failing with fork errors you might not have enough memory for it in general
[02:30:22] <e^ipi> how much you have?
[02:30:43] <sladegen> i gave it the 512MB minimum.
[02:31:01] <sladegen> gnome suxxors memory...
[02:31:34] <alanc> 101a-RC2 should run better in 512MB, they did more memory tuning - 100a is a bit old now (weeks at least 8-) )
[02:32:20] <sladegen> i'm not that optimistic. there is a reason i run fvwm.
[02:34:33] <sladegen> perhaps i could run twm?
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[02:35:32] <alanc> I think twm's on the LiveCD - in fact, probably still the default when you run startx
[02:36:14] * sladegen nods
[02:38:58] <Chipdancer_> Tempt: nice boots
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[02:40:48] <sladegen> ugh, pressing release notes was a mistake... lol(tm).
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[02:52:48] <e^ipi> Chipdancer_: espresso porn time. http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2549/dscf0936si1.jpg
[02:55:32] <e^ipi> and just because i'm a son of a bitch, here's my coffee table: http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3807/dscf0933wn4.jpg
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[02:57:04] <eviljames> e^ipi: you bastard.
[02:57:12] <eviljames> e^ipi: _I_WANT_
[02:58:36] <CIA-34> Michael Corcoran <Michael.Corcoran at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2008/226 mmapobj(2) - mmap object, 6502792 Same dynamic libraries should be mapped at the same virtual addresses in different processes
[02:58:37] <CIA-34> Suhasini Peddada <Suhasini.Peddada at Sun dot COM>: backout 6386929/6755389/6758338: causes 6772386
[02:59:48] <asyd> e^ipi: what is the thing on the left?
[02:59:54] <e^ipi> roaster
[03:00:22] <asyd> ouah
[03:00:40] <asyd> you're really a big fan of coffee :)
[03:00:48] <e^ipi> everyone's got a hobby
[03:01:03] <asyd> indeed
[03:01:26] <e^ipi> i can't get decent coffee where I am so i ended up finding a source for really dirt cheap green, and picked up a roaster to go with it
[03:02:30] <e^ipi> i buy ~ 40lbs of green at a time, it lasts me 6 months
[03:02:56] <e^ipi> i think even with the roaster factored in for the first year i pay $8/lb or so
[03:03:10] <asyd> I guess roast coffe smells very good
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[03:05:02] <Chipdancer_> e^ipi: nice first drip
[03:05:20] <e^ipi> yeah, that was a lucky shot
[03:05:38] <Chipdancer_> e^ipi: I really should get a shot of the depth of my 'funnel' when I open my latest roast batch tomorrow
[03:05:58] <e^ipi> i have a pic of the funnel too, but it's blurry as hell because my camera sucks
[03:06:06] <Chipdancer_> the 'funnel' can be as high as 4-5cm
[03:08:34] <stevel> SFOSUG meeting in 50 minutes!
[03:08:37] <stevel> (for anyone in SF)
[03:08:45] <stevel> :-P
[03:09:34] <eviljames> wish I was.  Then I would see first hand what happens at a UG meeting.
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[03:11:41] <e^ipi> you de
[03:12:10] <e^ipi> *you get drunk and eat pizza on Sun's dollar and shoot the shit
[03:12:14] <e^ipi> it's good times
[03:12:15] * eviljames drools
[03:12:21] <eviljames> my perfect evening, realized.
[03:13:02] <eviljames> I'll bring my gf, she's a new opensolaris user, and could tell you every little detail of what's wrong with it, from an end-consumer perspective...
[03:13:13] <eviljames> That was too many commas in one sentence.
[03:14:55] <stevel> e^ipi: eh - we pay for our own pizza and booze :)
[03:15:05] <stevel> afaik, Sun hasn't paid for anything we do
[03:15:30] <e^ipi> huh, i thought that UG's got some sort of budget out of the marketing org. for various things
[03:16:06] <nachox> pizza with lactoseless cheese?
[03:16:09] * nachox hides
[03:16:31] <e^ipi> what's wrong with lactose free cheese ?
[03:16:36] <stevel> e^ipi: i saw teresa's recent post about the UG kit... that had something about $100 for UG's to spend on random stuff
[03:16:40] <stevel> but that's brand new
[03:17:17] <stevel> afaik, Sun hasn't budgeted $$$ for UGs previously (they help out wiht a meeting space for SVLUG, and probably a few others too)
[03:17:39] <e^ipi> okie, i'm wrong then
[03:18:00] <e^ipi> still, even if you're paying for it... hanging around eating pizza and talking to people is good times too
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[03:18:44] * stevel nods
[03:18:45] <stevel> verily
[03:19:32] * eviljames agrees.
[03:19:49] <eviljames> Well, that makes 3.  motion carries.  Any new business?
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[03:58:31] <CIA-34> Ricardo M. Correia <Ricardo.M.Correia at Sun dot COM>: 6747934 Some locking variables are not properly initialized or destroyed
[03:58:32] <CIA-34> Vikram Hegde <Vikram.Hegde at Sun dot COM>: 6774448 Toonie needs non-unity map
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[04:01:17] <alanc> hmm, wonder if I still have any toonies from my last trip to Canada...
[04:01:41] <alanc> not sure why a $2 coin needs a non-unity map (whatever that is) though
[04:02:19] <eviljames> the twoonie is my favorite of coins
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[04:02:33] <eviljames> Nice two-tone design, relatively high value.
[04:03:16] <eviljames> alanc: What do you mean a non-unity map?
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[04:03:52] <alanc> dunno, just saw the name of the bug in that last putback: Vikram Hegde <Vikram.Hegde at Sun dot COM>: 6774448 Toonie needs non-unity map
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[04:05:02] <eviljames> oh... haha, here I grabbed a toonie from my pocket and started looking for some sort of map or mapping or anything other than the polar bear..
[04:05:25] <alanc> it's on the microfilm hidden inside the coin by the CIA
[04:05:32] <e^ipi> CSIS
[04:05:51] <eviljames> yea, CSIS would do that.  They're so cloak and dagger, I'd wager that half of Canadians don't even know they exist
[04:06:03] <eviljames> and probably 95+% of Americans.
[04:06:12] <e^ipi> CSIS is more scary than the CIA
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[04:06:31] <e^ipi> because you know what the CIA does, they spy on people, listen to your phone calls, flood the streets of NY with cocaine, etc
[04:06:33] <alanc> 95+% of Americans would probably assume CSIS is a new CSI spinoff - CSI: Seattle or somesuch
[04:06:36] <e^ipi> nobody knows what CSIS does
[04:06:43] * alanc had to google it to see what it was
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[04:07:29] <lkthomas> hey guys
[04:07:30] * eviljames had an uncle in csis.
[04:07:38] <eviljames> lkthomas: odd part of the covnersation to walk into, I'd say.
[04:07:40] <lkthomas> I want to use solaris to act as primary domain controller
[04:07:58] <lkthomas> does Sun got any program to deal with this ?
[04:08:01] <eviljames> Is this a mixed environment?
[04:08:08] <lkthomas> mixed?
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[04:09:06] <eviljames> as in you are wanting one solaris machine to be the domain controller for a group of windows machines?
[04:09:23] <eviljames> or some windows and some linux machines?
[04:10:25] <lkthomas> first case
[04:10:35] <lkthomas> we want to use solaris as file server + PDC
[04:10:40] <lkthomas> and serve for windows user
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[04:22:22] <sfuentes>  what's the main development language in solaris?
[04:22:40] <e^ipi> pardon?
[04:22:54] <e^ipi> whichever you want...
[04:24:11] <sfuentes> i was just wondering if java was considered the main dev language in solaris since sun pushes java so much
[04:24:28] <e^ipi> solaris is written largely in C
[04:24:53] <e^ipi> a lot of the tools for devs are in python ( mercurial, etc )
[04:25:05] <eviljames> lkthomas: Using Opensolaris and Samba should fit your bill really well.
[04:25:27] <e^ipi> besides that, there's no preference for certain languages over others
[04:25:35] <sfuentes> i see
[04:25:42] <alanc> pretty much anything is preferred over C++ though
[04:26:28] <sfuentes> when c++ is concerned, i would imagine java is preferred
[04:27:02] <sfuentes> of course for applications that are not performance critical
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[04:37:25] <lkthomas> eviljames: Sun does not develop a GUI tools to deal with this ?
[04:41:58] <axisys>  /top
[04:43:02] <eviljames> lkthomas: My own setup involves samba and swat as a easy gui interface for configuration.
[04:43:17] <lkthomas> what account backend are you using ? ldap or mysql ?
[04:44:28] <lkthomas> I assume swat can not manage mysql/ldap backend
[04:44:51] <eviljames> Even should that be the case, there are a multitude of tools to work with either of those databases.
[04:45:29] <eviljames> I suppose mysql would be the sun-approved tool, as they own it.
[04:45:30] <lkthomas> nono, I was asking, what backend are you using ? :P
[04:46:30] <eviljames> I'll probably have to consult documentation to answer your questions properly
[04:46:41] <eviljames> but what I think you mean is where do users authenticate against.
[04:46:46] <lkthomas> yep
[04:47:20] <eviljames> Users can authenticate against an internal username / password list in Samba, or other backends
[04:47:31] <lkthomas> I know
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[04:50:30] <eviljames> I don't think samba can use sql, but someone can correct me on this.  I use smbpasswd, myself.
[04:50:37] <eviljames> swat does handle that.
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[04:53:50] <lkthomas> hmm
[04:54:23] <eviljames> I find this setup is much simpler and more flexiable than a genuine MS Windows server.
[04:54:48] <eviljames> Not to mention, cheaper.
[04:54:53] <sladegen> it has mysql and postgres switches in portage so ...
[04:54:56] <sfuentes> eviljames: so ur solaris server (just 1?) acts as a dc for all ur win boxes?
[04:55:29] <lkthomas> eviljames: our company is so funny, boss often ask us to create new folder and set limited users to access that folder
[04:55:37] <lkthomas> eviljames: do you have same problem ?
[04:55:45] <eviljames> lkthomas: yes, I use access control lists, but it's not a large office.
[04:56:11] <lkthomas> access control list? is it samba built-in feature ?
[04:56:57] <sladegen> it's a whole technology
[04:57:16] <eviljames> sladegen: samba+postgres?  I should pay more attention!
[04:57:40] <eviljames> sfuentes: As I mention, it's not a large office, the demands are relatively low.
[04:58:15] <eviljames> I don't have enough equipment to warrant a dedicated server room.
[04:58:37] <CIA-34> Tarik Soydan <Tarik.Soydan at Sun dot COM>: 6711118 Location property incorrect for FMA IO diagnosis with IO Box attached to Batoka
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[04:59:15] <sfuentes> eviljames: i'm wondering if there's a good reason why one would need to actually use a windows server
[04:59:36] <lkthomas> eviljames: are you using FS ACL or Samba ACL ?
[05:00:15] <eviljames> sfuentes: From what I can tell, they offer some (still) undocumented proprietary extensions.
[05:00:37] <eviljames> sfuentes: Exactly what they may be, I do not know.  Samba, from what I can tell, is a drop-in replacement.
[05:00:59] <eviljames> sfuentes: but, my windows experience is extremely lacking.
[05:01:18] <eviljames> lkthomas: Well, both.  It depends on the situation.
[05:01:51] <eviljames> lkthomas: My environment is quite mixed, despite being small, bsd, windows, linux, solaris ... the whole gang is there.
[05:02:07] <lkthomas> hey
[05:02:07] <lkthomas> http://book.opensourceproject.org.cn/sysadmin/samba/sambao3rd/opensource/0596007698/samba3-chp-6-sect-3.html
[05:02:29] <lkthomas> http://book.opensourceproject.org.cn/sysadmin/samba/sambao3rd/opensource/0596007698/images/sam3_0605.jpg <--- can you use this method to config premission ?
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[05:03:26] <eviljames> You mean on the client computer?
[05:03:39] <lkthomas> yep
[05:03:52] <lkthomas> samba got a list of accounts
[05:04:14] <eviljames> To be honest, I've never checked.
[05:04:18] <lkthomas> hmm
[05:05:13] <eviljames> How complicated are your needs?  do you think your users will be concerned about changing permissions?
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[05:06:21] <lkthomas> as I said, users are funny here, for example
[05:06:22] <Tempt> Chipdancer_: Where did you get that URL from? ;-)
[05:06:32] <lkthomas> yesterday I just need to create 2008_PT
[05:06:40] <eviljames> lkthomas: Check the end of the book you posted.
[05:06:41] <lkthomas> Boss want to allow specific users to access this folder
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[05:07:55] <eviljames> lkthomas: The last paragraph before Table 6-10 explains about modifying ucl
[05:07:57] <eviljames> err acl
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[05:08:32] <eviljames> There are some semantic differences in the way that unix and windows handle permissiosn.
[05:08:36] <eviljames> permissions, rather.
[05:09:05] <eviljames> lkthomas: For example, if you create a file you get to specify the acl.  Your boss, unless he is the root account, cannot override those permissions, even if he has write access to the file.
[05:09:46] <eviljames> lkthomas: In this case, only the root user or the owner can change the acl.  There are some options to change this behaviour.
[05:10:38] <lkthomas> so the owner (boss) could set ACL via that windows interface ?
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[05:13:49] <eviljames> lkthomas: It seems he can, provided that he is the creator or owner of the file
[05:14:22] <eviljames> lkthomas: However, there is an option where someone with write access can assume ownership of the file, and modify its acl.  Depends on how you want the behaviour.
[05:14:47] <lkthomas> better test it in detail before implement
[05:14:48] <maxote> good morning
[05:15:57] <eviljames> lkthomas: I would say that's a worthwhile investment.
[05:16:40] <lkthomas> about what?
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[05:40:44] <archangle25> how should i congiure grub to boot opensolaris from a Centos 5.2 install? solaris is on the 3rd partition of the secondary HD
[05:41:00] <e^ipi> you don't
[05:41:10] <e^ipi> use solaris' grub to boot your other OS's
[05:41:24] <e^ipi> vanilla grub and most linux distros' grub doesn't support ZFS or UFS
[05:41:34] <e^ipi> and upstream doesn't take patches
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[05:43:39] <archangle25> ok, ty e^ipi
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[07:18:47] <lkthomas> can I install vmware under solaris ?
[07:19:00] <yksinaisyyteni> no
[07:19:12] <yksinaisyyteni> unless you ran it under linux in xen, which would be pretty silly
[07:19:21] <lkthomas> hmm
[07:19:31] <lkthomas> so better run vmware ESX server ?
[07:19:36] <yksinaisyyteni> if you want vmware workstation, virtualbox is an acceptable substitute
[07:19:42] <yksinaisyyteni> lkthomas: no, vmware doesn't work in solaris - any version
[07:19:44] <lkthomas> "acceptable"
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[07:19:56] <lkthomas> another way around
[07:20:02] <lkthomas> brb
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[07:41:14] <asyd> \_o<
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[08:06:46] <noyb> >o_/ quack back asyd.  :-)
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[08:37:39] <TheNoxier> hi
[08:38:56] <xRaich[o]2x> morning folks
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[08:39:03] <hrist> morning yourself
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[08:40:21] <TheNoxier> are there incompatibilities between opensolaris and nvidia chipsets?
[08:40:22] <xRaich[o]2x> hi hrist. :P
[08:42:22] <xRaich[o]2x> TheNoxier: could you be a little more specific?
[08:42:45] <TheNoxier> one moment
[08:43:03] <TheNoxier> i'm waiting for opensolaris to boot
[08:43:19] <TheNoxier> since over 20 minutes
[08:43:33] <xRaich[o]2x> laptop?
[08:43:46] <TheNoxier> no
[08:44:04] <xRaich[o]2x> what's on the screen?
[08:44:16] <TheNoxier> it boots 'normal'
[08:44:18] <TheNoxier> but slow
[08:44:24] <xRaich[o]2x> hrm
[08:44:29] <TheNoxier> on the screen is the license agreement
[08:44:39] <TheNoxier> and the gnome desktop
[08:44:56] <PerterB> prehistoric CPU? Or swapping?
[08:44:57] <xRaich[o]2x> ah ok you are using 2008.05?
[08:45:07] <xRaich[o]2x> how much ram?
[08:45:23] <TheNoxier> cpu is a64 X2, 2.2 GHz, 2gb ram
[08:45:34] <xRaich[o]2x> sounds ok.
[08:45:37] <TheNoxier> yes, it's 2008.05
[08:45:43] <xRaich[o]2x> did you try 2008.11 rc2 already?
[08:45:51] <xRaich[o]2x> it's on genunix.org
[08:46:10] <TheNoxier> the image runs well in parallels vm or on my macbook pro
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[08:47:27] <TheNoxier> k, i'll try that build
[08:47:28] <xRaich[o]2x> TheNoxier: give rc2 a shot. if it doesn't work file a bug report
[08:47:30] <TheNoxier> thank you
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[09:01:40] <DTEIT> morning
[09:01:48] <roterra> DTEIT: howdy
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[09:03:35] <_HB_> yo!
[09:04:42] 
[09:05:09] <_HB_> anyone from swe ho can help me?^^
[09:06:07] <xRaich[o]2x> ask a specifiy question, then someone might be able to help you
[09:07:13] <_HB_> how hard are that to do a smal network whit opensolaris?
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[09:07:41] <_HB_> anyone have a link then i can read about that?
[09:07:43] <_HB_> :P
[09:07:52] <e^ipi>  put in cd.
[09:07:54] <e^ipi> boot.
[09:07:58] <e^ipi> voila
[09:09:07] <Stric> _HB_: http://www.opensolaris.com/get/index.jsp  .. get the 2008.11rc iso from the right side..  then after install, check System -> Administration -> Services .. should help
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[09:12:32] <_coredump_> moinsen
[09:14:06] <palowoda> e^ipi: Amazing first shot of that coffee.
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[09:15:05] <e^ipi> thanks
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[09:16:01] <codestr0m> morning
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[09:21:51] <xRaich[o]2x> hey codestr0m
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[09:24:03] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: did you reach the bottom of your rabbit hole of debugging that bug?
[09:24:38] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: hardware registers are pretty much the bottom aren't they ^^
[09:25:03] <codestr0m> well. start flipping bits :P
[09:25:27] <codestr0m> did you seriously trace it back to asm?
[09:25:33] <xRaich[o]2x> yes
[09:25:39] <xRaich[o]2x> ddi_get32
[09:26:18] <codestr0m> how is your asm?
[09:26:23] <codestr0m> x86 that is
[09:26:29] <g4lt-work> now don't you wish you were on sparc, which is actually documented about regisyters? ;P
[09:26:41] <xRaich[o]2x> that should return a bad status so a fault handler could be called
[09:27:03] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: we can ramble in the quiet channel
[09:27:04] <xRaich[o]2x> but the controller return "i'm happy" which is not true in this case
[09:27:43] <xRaich[o]2x> g4lt-work: gimme a sparc notebook and i will use it ;)
[09:28:20] <TheNoxier> iirc i saw a sparc-laptop once :P
[09:28:26] <g4lt-work> xRaich[o]2x: look for a sparcbook on epay, they have some ultra2 sparcbooks cheap sometimes ;P
[09:29:05] <g4lt-work> actually, I think gdamore had one with a broken screen free o a good home in santa clara area once
[09:29:38] <palowoda> How exciting a broken laptop for sale.
[09:29:46] <codestr0m> g4lt-work: I'd fix that screen in 2 minutes
[09:29:56] <codestr0m> and have a friend in the bay area pick it up
[09:30:01] <g4lt-work> palowoda: wat part o "free to a good home" implies sale?
[09:30:17] <quasi> palowoda: get it if it's cheap - it'll be fun for laptop tossing
[09:30:50] <palowoda> I guess it's selling a new replacement screen from the OEM.
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[09:30:59] <xRaich[o]2x> gimme a T2 laptop and i'm happy *cough*
[09:31:06] <palowoda> He did crack the screen.
[09:31:21] <TheNoxier> cool, the store down the corner sells a mips based netbook
[09:31:37] <g4lt-work> xRaich[o]2x: if you can find one at any cost, I'm interested.  coolthreads would be PERFECT for a laptop
[09:32:39] <palowoda> But in reality it's not happening.
[09:33:32] <palowoda> The war machine has to keep the current sparc laptops alive.  How much longer will that last.
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[09:36:30] <xRaich[o]2x> hmmm a sparc laptop would be darn sexy and an incredible boost of vpenis
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[09:37:07] <g4lt-work> palowoda: I'd say longer than your capability to stay off /ignore if you keep being flat-out stupid
[09:39:24] <palowoda> Ok there are two manufactures of Sparc/Ultrasparc laptops.  One we know sells to the US goverment for Mil purposes.  The other in .tw Naturetech.  What the status of NatureTech?
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[09:44:22] <g4lt-work> why don't you tell us, oh person who cannn0ot differentiate between military contractors and being bought by military contractors
[09:45:53] <evocallaghan> g4lt-work:New Now Know How
[09:46:02] <evocallaghan> How did you work that ?
[09:46:07] <codestr0m> g4lt-work: come on. play nice
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[09:46:33] <g4lt-work> evocallaghan: standard for chatzilla
[09:46:54] <g4lt-work> codestr0m: I AM ;P
[09:47:17] <evocallaghan> g4lt-work:Ah yes.
[09:47:32] <evocallaghan> g4lt-work:Hey, was it you that did the SDCard work ?
[09:47:57] <g4lt-work> no
[09:48:10] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: if you're easily impressed by a fancy whois.. I'll turn my cloak off for you?
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[09:49:26] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:Can you bend back time as well ?
[09:50:05] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: can I publicly tease you or do I have to behave?
[09:50:47] <palowoda> Actually in hardware there is a curcuit design that is a reverse time machine.  Made of a series of ring buffers.
[09:50:49] <evocallaghan> You can publicly do what you like if you like to wast your own time as well as others..
[09:51:09] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: yes. talking to you is a waste of time isn't it :)
[09:51:10] <pumpkin> this channel's really friendly tonight
[09:51:20] <codestr0m> pumpkin: sorry..
[09:51:33] * pumpkin braces himself for a flame in response to his comment
[09:51:34] <pumpkin> :P
[09:51:41] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:Then don't !
[09:52:40] <evocallaghan> palowoda:Tunnel diodes are quite interesting, although they are no flux cap.. ;)
[09:52:57] <xRaich[o]2x> pumpkin: booooooooh :D
[09:53:26] <pumpkin> :)
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[10:11:11] <sickness> morning all
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[10:49:43] <_setuid_H> Morning all
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[11:41:24] <m0zzzy> How I can block UDP broadcast with ipfilter?
[11:41:52] <m0zzzy> there is withopt keyword, but I cannot put it into proper way
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[12:14:10] <eijoz> hello
[12:14:33] <eijoz> can anybody help me with instaling open solaris
[12:16:36] <YazzY> eijoz: what exactly is the problem?
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[12:29:59] <codestr0m> eijoz: tell us where/which livecd you're using.. the hw.. etc.. what the problem is specifically
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[12:56:45] <Guest65047> is there a way to use xvm with resource pools yet?
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[13:01:54] <seanmcg> xvm does its own 'resource pools' surely, one defines the memory and cpu and disk of the virtual machine
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[13:33:08] <ecalvo> i  need to mount a ext3 partition, but when i mount (like ext2fs cause i don't find the ext3fs type), the drives mounts bt with read-only
[13:33:29] <ecalvo> there is some package to add the ext3fs?
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[13:36:12] <whits> I'm having a play with the NICDRV test suite, and I can't find any info on the webiste about which Solarises are supported. Any pointers?
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[13:42:59] <Pollero_> Hi! Is there another channel for xvmserver? or are here people who could help with that?
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[13:44:03] <TomJ> no, and yes in general but not necessarily right now
[13:44:20] <TomJ> it's much more active later in the day, it's still very early in the US
[13:44:47] <TomJ> most of the Sun employees are on Californian ime, where it's 4:30am right now
[13:45:24] <fraggeln> slackers :)
[13:45:54] <Pollero_> right.. :) I was just windering that when i start installing it will hang right after it load kernel and so on. There something about license and SunOS copyright and then nothing. I just want to know that is there any way to debug where it hangs? Like in Linux theres always another windows where i see what is be written to syslog
[13:46:35] <Pollero_> i know it probe my HW cos i see hdd blinking leds and same for NIC's but then just nothing :/
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[14:39:14] <sladegen> is osol-0811-100a-global.iso bad in some way? i'm trying to install it in vbox but it gets stuck at 99% of installation. vbox shows activity but it's sitting like this for hours now...
[14:40:40] <xRaich[o]2x> sladegen: it's old. try the rc2
[14:40:53] <sladegen> "complete tranfer process"... perhaps coreadm failing to start might have something to do with it?
[14:43:57] <sladegen> we'll see.
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[14:44:51] <g4lt-work> bad in some way?  other than being indiana?
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[14:50:21] <sladegen> what does -ai stand for in rc2?
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[14:50:43] <sladegen> it installs itself?
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[14:54:11] <CosmicDJ> "Details to follow on the OpenSolaris.Org announce list (soon)."
[14:54:18] <CosmicDJ> I'd take the global iso...
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[14:57:20] <sladegen> CosmicDJ: right... genunix site was a bit slow.
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[15:04:43] <sensei> I'm having problem with my configure script: http://rafb.net/p/FFuJxa73.html  It seems confined to opensolaris, works fine on freebsd and rhel
[15:05:05] <sensei> It's strange, because the configure script is generated on opensolaris via its own autoconf
[15:05:09] <asyd> sounds like a shell trouble
[15:05:16] <asyd> which shell you use when you call the configure?
[15:05:36] <sensei> bash
[15:05:56] <sensei> The hashbang in configure is /bin/sh fwiw
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[15:09:16] <g4lt-work> yup, that's a bashism if I've ever seen one.  try replacing /bin/sh with /usr/bin/bash
[15:09:19] <osladil> please, does somebody knows if it will be possible to encrypt existing zpool in upcoming zfs-crypto project?
[15:10:16] <g4lt-work> osladil: you don't read the parameters very well, do you?  they specifically state that encryption of existing is not a target for r1.0
[15:10:45] <sensei> g4lt-work: Replacing it with /usr/bin/bash gives me this: /dev/null: line 1: ./configure:: No such file or directory
[15:11:18] <osladil> g4lt-work: this is exactly i need to know. thanks for answer
[15:12:24] <sensei> I can make it work by simply comment out the offending code, I'm trying to avoid manually editing the configure script though, as it should really be generated
[15:12:40] <sensei> The configure process works, there's no problem coming out of it, other than the slightly less cosmetic message
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[15:58:37] <CIA-34> Cheng Sean Ye <Sean.Ye at Sun dot COM>: 6745461 sun4v CPU/Mem DE needs resource FMRI in fault events, 6751821 add sun4v cpu/mem topo-retire support
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[16:24:22] <zimmermanc> hrm, is there solaris package for qt4.
[16:24:33] <zimmermanc> i guess i'm answering my own question
[16:24:46] <xRaich[o]2x> zimmermanc: for 2008.xx
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[16:25:30] <xRaich[o]2x> zimmermanc: have a look at www.lifewithsolaris.jp they have packaged software that uses Qt4
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[16:28:17] <zimmermanc> ya xRaich[o]2x  for 2008.xx
[16:28:33] <zimmermanc> checking their repo now. thanks
[16:29:06] <xRaich[o]2x> zimmermanc: LWSqt4
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[16:29:25] <zimmermanc> i see there's one in blastwave, but i prefer things that install to the system path's and not /opt/xxx
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[16:30:37] <zimmermanc> ah oh well i guess this does too, just adds to my confusion . when i can't find something, i need to search 3-4 locations for it
[16:30:39] <zimmermanc> aggravating
[16:30:43] <xRaich[o]2x> zimmermanc: lws installs in /opt
[16:31:22] <Pollero_> Hi! I have problem with xvmserver EA3. It hangs just after it load kernel. Last lines is when blue screen turn to black and there are three lines about sunOS and license. It's probing my hdd, nic and so on.. Is there a way to debug what happens "behind the scenes"?
[16:31:51] <xRaich[o]2x> zimmermanc: if you cant find something use pkg search file for local searching
[16:32:23] <xRaich[o]2x> zimmermanc: pkg search qmake gives me path and packagename
[16:32:42] <codestr0m> when I try to ifconfig bge0 plumb it hangs and I can't kill or do anything about it.. http://rafb.net/p/ZTM26836.html
[16:33:01] <codestr0m> on reboot I see I have ls -l /dev/bge*
[16:33:13] <codestr0m> ../devices/pseudo/clone@0:bge etc..
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[16:33:38] <zimmermanc> oh. I'll have to get that a try xRaich[o]2x , thanks
[16:33:57] <xRaich[o]2x> no problem zimmermanc
[16:34:02] <zimmermanc> Pollero_,  use -v
[16:34:06] <zimmermanc> for verbose perhaps
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[16:34:37] <Pollero_> zimmermanc: eeh.. where do i put that parameter? in grub? :) i dont think it support that kind ofparameter
[16:34:48] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: try dtrace on it ;)
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[16:34:53] <zimmermanc> yeah Pollero_
[16:35:07] <zimmermanc> edit the .... kernel line i believe it is
[16:35:15] <zimmermanc> just put a -v at the end. -s is single user
[16:35:25] <Pollero_> uu jea. im going to try that, thanks
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[16:42:45] <Pollero_> zimmermanc: last line is about my mouse and then nothing
[16:43:04] <Pollero_> i disconnect that server from KVM hoping that that's the problem but nope, still nothing
[16:43:44] <zimmermanc> my expertise stops at about adding -v :D
[16:43:47] <seanmcg> codestr0m, whats dladm show-dev and dladm show-link telling you ?
[16:44:17] <Pollero_> yeah. no can do. I cant use product in production what cant be even installed
[16:44:27] <Pollero_> so we see again about two to three years :D
[16:45:17] <codestr0m> seanmcg: both return nothing.. and I should mention I'm in "Entering System Maintenance Mode"
[16:46:29] <seanmcg> dmesg | grep bge ?
[16:47:46] <codestr0m> seanmcg: I forgot to package dmesg.. I'll add it on there.. and reboot with -v.. (min)
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[16:49:08] <seanmcg> dmesg just cats /var/adm/messages*
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[16:59:45] <timsf> Pollero_: is this from booting the livecd?
[17:00:23] <codestr0m> seanmcg: no messages in there.. sec. I fixed some svc/smf bits and will reboot
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[17:02:52] <Pollero_> timsf: yes
[17:03:28] <Pollero_> timsf: or no. I mean its https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=sun-xVM-EA3-G-F@CDS-CDS_SMI
[17:03:31] <timsf> Are you booting the livecd on the real console, rather than watching the serial console?
[17:03:37] <timsf> right
[17:03:53] <timsf> what hardware are you using?
[17:04:08] <Pollero_> timsf: Intel Motherboard and Intel Xeon 3.0Ghz 64-bit
[17:04:24] <timsf> Graphics?
[17:04:27] <Pollero_> timsf: cant remember exatcly specs, but i have Xen on that without ny problems
[17:04:48] <Pollero_> timsf: it have some integrated GPU
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[17:05:10] <Pollero_> timsf:  i have tryed booting it graphics and text mode. Bought hangs
[17:05:30] <timsf> So just after grub you're not getting any output - are you using a physically attached keyboard mouse and monitor?
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[17:06:01] <Pollero_> timsf: after grub it load the kernel and so on. Then blue screen switch to black and there sunOS 1983 - 2008 ... blaa blaa and two other lines. After that nothing
[17:06:17] <codestr0m> seanmcg: I /fixed/ some svc* bits and now this is all the further I get, but it's not going into single user mode anymore http://rafb.net/p/qV8Ngj83.html
[17:06:20] <Pollero_> and with -v switch last line i see is about my mouse
[17:06:27] <codestr0m> also don't see anything for bge in there
[17:06:39] <Pollero_> timsf: and yes, it have keyboard and mouse physically attached to it
[17:06:57] <timsf> sounds like it could be redirecting the console messages off somewhere
[17:07:14] <timsf> can you boot with -k to have it load kmdb?
[17:07:24] <Pollero_> timsf: sure, i could give it a try
[17:07:31] <Pollero_> i come back, thanks
[17:07:41] <timsf> [ the livecd doesn't run xen itself ]
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[17:11:29] <seanmcg> codestr0m, you could boot with kmdb, break to the kmdb prompt when it hangs and see where the kernel is...
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[17:11:59] <seanmcg> actually that last comment could apply to Pollero_ too :)
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[17:15:22] <codestr0m> seanmcg: with -kv I have no chance to go into kernel debugging mode from tip
[17:15:23] <codestr0m> usba:   no driver found for interface 0 (nodename: 'interface') of STMicroelectronics Biometric Coprocessor
[17:15:25] <codestr0m> and then nothing
[17:15:28] <Pollero_> timsf: Loading kmdb... after that those three lines and nothing
[17:15:46] <codestr0m> seanmcg: I'm looking up how to boot enter single user mode
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[17:18:46] <codestr0m> krtld: Unused kernel arguments: `b -s'
[17:19:54] <Pollero_> timsf: more ideas? :)
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[17:21:53] <codestr0m> in interactive mode I get asked two questions.. Name of system file [/etc/system] and Retire store [/etc/devices/retire_store] (/dev/null to bypass):
[17:22:23] <codestr0m> Pollero_: sec. I'll grab my notes on the links to start debugging if you want to go down that path
[17:23:07] <Pollero_> codestr0m: yea. i will go down any path to get this working
[17:23:22] <codestr0m> let me read up what problem you're having
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[17:25:55] <codestr0m> Pollero_: ok. I see you're using some cd from sun. have you tried a more recent cd from www.genunix.org maybe?
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[17:25:58] <codestr0m> that's 1)
[17:26:54] <codestr0m> 2) -kavs will boot you ,kmdb,interactively,verbose and single user mode. .it'll ask some questions which I'm doing right now as well.. (, but don't ask more cause I still need to look at the man pages)
[17:27:21] <Pollero_> codestr0m: does those include xvmserver appliance? That HW im installing its not that new so i dont think newer installer going to solve this
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[17:27:56] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: ok. I've no idea what /etc/system is for (looking now)
[17:28:11] <yksinaisyyteni> it stores kernel parameters to be applied on startup
[17:28:12] <timsf> I suspect something funny in your bios Pollero that's redirecting the console somewhere else.
[17:28:12] <codestr0m> Pollero_: well. I can tell you how to do a big cheating way to get it booting, but I highly doubt you want that
[17:28:26] <yksinaisyyteni> if you edit it wrongly, you can get a kernel that'll panic on boot.  to fix it you boot -a, and enter /dev/null when it asks for system file path
[17:28:38] <timsf> Can you boot a 2008.05 livecd, or is this specific to xVM Server?
[17:29:06] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: ok. thanks
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[17:30:08] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: from grub.. how do I force emergency mode?
[17:30:22] <yksinaisyyteni> single user?
[17:30:27] <timsf> [ anyone know the break sequence for an x4150 btw? ]
[17:30:38] <yksinaisyyteni> for single user, add '-s' to the end of the 'kernel' line
[17:30:42] <timsf> [ it's not Esc B ]
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[17:30:51] <yksinaisyyteni> if even single user is too much, add -m milestone=none
[17:31:25] <codestr0m> Pollero_: this also applies to you ^
[17:31:50] <yksinaisyyteni> milestone=none doesn't mount root, so you can use it to fsck / without needing to boot from install media
[17:32:37] <Pollero_> timsf: at this point im only interested about xVMserver. Im starting to think too its bios so im going to check that.
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[17:33:04] <codestr0m> Pollero_: btw.. after my mouse initializes I see it doing PCI related things
[17:33:22] <Pollero_> codestr0m: with -kavs that machine actually "dies". I see it ask me about /etc/system but keyboard dies and machine is dead
[17:33:25] <rewolf-> hm, dd of the *.usb file to a usb-stick didn't work, needs usbcopy :-S
[17:33:26] <timsf> Right, but xVM Server uses the same livecd infrastructure as 2008.05, so if you saw problems with both, that'd at least narrow the problem for you.
[17:33:33] <yksinaisyyteni> Pollero_: USB keyboard?
[17:33:36] <codestr0m> Pollero_: ok. remove -a
[17:33:42] <Pollero_> yksinaisyyteni: nope.
[17:34:06] <Pollero_> im going to check BIOS now and then boot without -a. Ill be back.
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[17:34:23] <codestr0m> Pollero_: the last line you see. is it like mouse80420 is /isa/i8042@1,60/mouse@1
[17:34:31] <Pollero_> c00p: yep
[17:34:42] <Pollero_> oops.. wrong name :D
[17:35:02] <codestr0m> Pollero_: yeah.. :P the very next line for me is PCI Express-device: pci1028,1ff@1a,7, ehci2
[17:35:08] <roachboy> Hi everybody ok I have just started with OpenSolaris and am loving it ...
[17:35:15] <Pollero_> codestr0m: ok. Thanks for the info
[17:35:16] <codestr0m> so.. I'm going to guess it's PCI related if you can mess with that
[17:35:38] <yksinaisyyteni> what is the actual problem you're trying to solve here?
[17:35:55] <Pollero_> going to check those now. My problem is that i cant boot xvmserver installation
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[17:37:11] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: -m milestone=none still doesn't put me into maintenance mode like I was dropping to before
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[17:37:52] <yksinaisyyteni> codestr0m: no, 'maintanence mode' is single user.  milestone=none is even less than single user
[17:37:59] <yksinaisyyteni> it doesn't start anything, it just runs a shell on the console
[17:38:01] <roachboy> well in few weeks i am gonna work with my team at the university so will need to explain to my dept head. what would be a good option while assembling an system for OpenSolaris OS
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[17:39:06] <roachboy> any recomendations?
[17:39:23] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: if I move some of the svc* binaries.. I can force it to go a mode even sooner, but then I can't do *anything*
[17:39:34] <codestr0m> I just drop into a shell like you said
[17:39:42] <yksinaisyyteni> what are you trying to do?
[17:40:01] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: my boot is hanging at "usba:   no driver found for interface 0 (nodename: 'interface') of O2 Micro CCID SC Reader"
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[17:42:27] <Pollero_> codestr0m: ok. There no chage to get that boot so i just forget xvmserver for that hw. It hw issue so its easier to grab new hw then make this son of bitch to work
[17:42:35] <Pollero_> codestr0m: thanks for help anyway
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[17:58:34] <CIA-34> George Shepherd <George.Shepherd at Sun dot COM>: 6744802 SCTP does not send out zero window probe in some cases
[17:58:34] <CIA-34> Ali Bahrami <Ali.Bahrami at Sun dot COM>: 6765931 mcs generates unlink(NULL) system calls
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[18:14:24] <codestr0m> how do I send F1+a over tip (serial connection)
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[18:14:53] <yksinaisyyteni> you can't, but you may be able to achieve the same effect via break
[18:14:58] <yksinaisyyteni> i forget if kmdb accepts that on x86
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[18:17:26] <codestr0m> nope I tried to send a break
[18:17:29] <Pollero_> timsf: i think you were right. It's serial console issue. BIOS have quite few setting about that. There is "SuperIO Configurtaion" what has Serial A and Serial B. Behind those i could choose 3FE/IRQ3, 3GE/IRQ3 and xxx/IRQ4 and same for Serial B. I have no idea what i should do those so could you give me some ideas? Also im wondering why Linux know where it should redirect console output but Solaris not :/
[18:19:41] <Triskelios> did glassfish use to add SMF entries for domains by itself, or am I misremembering?
[18:19:55] <yksinaisyyteni> not when i used it, which was around AS 9.1
[18:20:01] <timsf> Hmm. You basically don't want any serial redirection for the console Pollero_
[18:21:12] <Pollero_> timsf: yes i know. There also a sickest thing i have ever seen. I could bypass all serial throught TCP/IP to some other computer but that is disabled
[18:21:40] <Pollero_> i have also tried to disable bought of those but still the same
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[18:22:01] <timsf> and serial will only get you so far : the installer is very much graphical only unfortunately.
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[18:22:49] <Pollero_> this is starting to pissing me off so badly that i throw that piece of shit to garbage :)
[18:23:16] <timsf> It's not that bad, you're just unlucky with hardward
[18:23:25] <timsf> hardware
[18:24:02] <Triskelios> yksinaisyyteni: ok, I'm trying to convert an originally separate setup to AS. how do I get AS to start? =P
[18:24:12] <yksinaisyyteni> Triskelios: i made an init script
[18:24:22] <yksinaisyyteni> basically su - -c '/whatever/start-appserv.sh' appserv
[18:24:28] <yksinaisyyteni> there could well be a better way though ;)
[18:24:56] <Triskelios> looks like there's already an init script.. lemme see if it works
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[18:27:58] <Triskelios> yeah, it just needs an 'autostart' file in the config dir
[18:28:16] <Pollero_> naah.. thanks timsf and everyone for help. I forget this now. Going home siiu
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[18:30:39] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: ~. literally doesn't seem to be working to exit tip does ~ == esc key?
[18:30:55] <yksinaisyyteni> probably has to be on a new line
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[18:32:53] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: uhm, no ~ == ~ (tilde)
[18:33:22] <codestr0m> going to pull putty or minicom unless someone can recommend something else
[18:33:27] <yksinaisyyteni> c-kermit
[18:33:40] <CosmicDJ> putty
[18:34:12] <CosmicDJ> hyper terminal ;)
[18:34:21] <yksinaisyyteni> if you're on windows, securecrt
[18:34:25] <yksinaisyyteni> but minicom suggests unix..
[18:34:59] <codestr0m> no. I'm on opensolaris
[18:35:05] <yksinaisyyteni> c-kermit
[18:35:08] <g4lt-work> right, ha it been dos, it'd be telix
[18:35:11] <CosmicDJ> my tip manpage also lists ~^D as an exit-keysquence
[18:35:15] <CosmicDJ> +e
[18:37:14] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: that exited the gnome-terminal tab which wasn't tip, but tip won't exit for anything. (I can pkill -9 it :P)
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[18:41:53] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: ok. I got wermit started. any tips?
[18:42:43] <yksinaisyyteni> set line /dev/term/a; set speed 9600; connect
[18:44:01] <sactodave> I have opensolaris build 101b and I am having trouble with printing.  It seems that it sees and configures the printer, but I keep getting an error "uri-interface: [ID 702911 lpr.error] unrecognized "-o serial=CN51SDE0Z20453" option, ignored" and nothing prints
[18:44:07] <sactodave> Please help
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[18:44:22] <sactodave> the all worked fine with SXCE build 101b
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[18:45:07] <codestr0m> Sorry, write access to UUCP lockfile directory denied.
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[18:49:00] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: should I rebuild with a different locks directory? http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckuins.html#x10
[18:49:29] <sickness> isn't virtualbox on ips yet?
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[18:50:55] <yksinaisyyteni> did you try to make it setuid uucp?
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[18:51:48] <codestr0m> yeah
[18:51:59] <codestr0m> I changed the perms/owner the same as tip
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[18:55:20] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: sorry to keep asking such stupid things
[18:55:26] <codestr0m> I built it for solaris8
[18:56:05] <codestr0m> cc -DFNFLOAT -O -Usun -i -DSOLARIS8 -DCK_PAM -DCK_SHADOW  -DKTARGET=\"solaris8\"
[18:57:05] <yksinaisyyteni> you could build with -DNOUUCP
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[19:06:07] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: ok. so I think last question.. I've tried /dev/term/a; set speed 9600; connect: No such file or directory /dev/ttya /dev/ttyS0 and all same error
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[19:08:36] <telpochyaotl> Hi all... I installed 200805, it is awesome! The issue I'm having is that it can't resolve any hostnames... I configured network manually (disabled nwam) and /etc/resolv.conf has entries... I can ping them by the IP... Any clues?
[19:10:12] <timsf> cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
[19:10:16] <jrms> telpochyaotl: cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswithc.conf
[19:10:17] <timsf> svcadm restart name-service-cache
[19:10:41] <timsf> (and if you liked 2008.05, wait till you see 2008.11 :-D
[19:13:02] <telpochyaotl> timsf, jrms, will try that now
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[19:14:23] <telpochyaotl> timsf: definitely looking forward to 2008.11
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[19:15:10] <quasi> who need 2008.11 anyway when there's sxce b103
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[19:18:49] <sactodave> Is there anyone that might be able to help me with a printing issue, please?
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[19:20:48] <Asako> did that come out today?
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[19:24:08] <codestr0m> yksinaisyyteni: do you know the escaped way to printf F1+A ?   >/dev/term/a
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[19:35:05] <zimmermanc> IPSncurses has a nice xterm terminfo file
[19:35:16] <zimmermanc> got my home and end keys working finally :)
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[19:35:46] <zimmermanc> machine running much better with 4gb in it than 2. already over 2gb used
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[19:36:37] * codestr0m curses c-kermit and all other tty* shit
[19:38:05] <sladegen> no wonder they wrote curses
[19:38:33] <codestr0m> I can't get it to disconnect
[19:38:40] <codestr0m> I can't get it to break or anything
[19:38:45] <codestr0m> I'm highly annoyed
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[19:39:30] <sladegen> ^]
[19:39:39] * sladegen has no idea
[19:40:16] <codestr0m> sladegen: thanks for trying..
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[19:43:24] <sladegen> codestr0m: btw, i just got rc2 working in vbox so i might not have a xar ready answer for tomorrow. 101a was hanging at 99& complete install for hours (over night).
[19:44:08] <sladegen> 100a
[19:44:14] <sladegen> to be precise.
[19:44:17] <codestr0m> sladegen: oh. that's great news. I'll need rc2 to then to do my vbox image
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[19:45:18] <sladegen> well, it went "smoothly" on my oldish, underwhelmed hardware... about 90mins...
[19:45:46] <zimmermanc> i'm running 101b atm
[19:45:51] <zimmermanc> seems to be doing well
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[19:46:28] <zimmermanc> other than it's a memory hog :D
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[19:53:25] <sladegen> yeah, gnome is suprisingly snapp compared to livecd.
[19:53:32] <sladegen> snappy*
[19:56:16] <zimmermanc> ya livecd was a dog :D
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[19:57:09] <zimmermanc> but i just used it for the install. didn't care much about it's performance during that time
[19:58:27] <codestr0m> sladegen: how are you at python?
[19:58:40] <zimmermanc> trying to get kicked again? :D
[19:58:49] <codestr0m> zimmermanc: who?
[19:59:06] <zimmermanc> you
[19:59:14] <codestr0m> zimmermanc: me? for what?
[19:59:21] <sladegen> codestr0m: not that well, i'm mostly a Scheme weenie.
[19:59:26] <zimmermanc> weren't you kicked from python just about an hour ago? :)
[19:59:34] <codestr0m> zimmermanc: umm. no?
[19:59:57] <zimmermanc> hrm, /me quits smoking banana peels
[20:00:27] <sladegen> codestr0m: but if you know one algolish lang you "know" them all...
[20:00:29] <codestr0m> zimmermanc: read my comment over in #python
[20:00:57] <zimmermanc> was kidding anyway
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[20:01:33] <codestr0m> zimmermanc: no worries. only channel I've been kicked from was here and gosh.. I'm sure somewhere else, but it's been years :P
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[20:08:53] <itwasme> is anyone willing to share solaris 8 for the PC with me? Need to re-build a legacy server with no sign of the CD's
[20:09:33] <vmlemon_> It was available for free on the Sun site, if I remember correctly
[20:10:24] <itwasme> it was, and it isnt anymore
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[20:10:39] <itwasme> they dont have it anymore, solaris 9 only
[20:10:49] <itwasme> and 10 of course
[20:10:55] <Asako> why wouldn't 10 work?
[20:11:07] <youareno6> Is there a way to tell if a system is runnning in a logical domain? Does the guest system have any way of knowing?
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[20:12:03] <Asako> a linux zone can tell by uname
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[20:12:36] <youareno6> Asako: What this "Linux" thing you are talking about? ;-)
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[20:12:51] <prav33n> I am very happy about snv_101b (2008.11 RC2)
[20:12:54] <Asako> an inferior OS
[20:13:29] <prav33n> In all the updates I have made since snv_86, this is the one that doesn't have a major inconvenience to me
[20:14:09] <Asako> I should grab sxce 103
[20:14:14] <prav33n> Looks like we are all set for an impressive 2008.11 release
[20:14:25] <prav33n> Good job, guys!
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[20:40:51] <evocallaghan> wow SXCE 103 just came out ! Great..
[20:41:00] * evocallaghan goes to fetch it..
[20:41:07] <Archite> heh
[20:41:20] <evocallaghan> How does this translate for SXCE x64 ? --target=sparc-sun-solaris2.8 --host=sparc-sun-solaris2.8 --build=sparc-sun-solaris2.8
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[20:49:44] <Tobbe> On my install I have a "Desktop Sharing" item in System->Preferences->Desktop Sharing. What is this? VNC?
[20:49:56] <Stric> yes.
[20:50:14] <Aria> Yes.
[20:50:49] <Tobbe> Has any of you guys tried FreeNX on 2008.11rc1?
[20:52:11] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: if you're using that you're completely wrong
[20:52:31] <codestr0m> unless you have a *really* old install floating around
[20:53:34] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:Thanks for yet again not answering a question and yet again providing another useless question.
[20:54:22] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: the docs for gcc/binutils document what those options mean
[20:54:25] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: I've answered your questions before and you were too inept to help.. so this time I'm just telling you.. you're completely wrong.. you're probably best off *not* setting host unless you actually know what you're doing
[20:54:37] <e^ipi> if it's not entirely obvious just by looking at them...
[20:55:26] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Hey, my line is as follows: ../src/configure --prefix=/opt/ada/gnat-2008 --enable-languages="c,c++,f77,ada" --disable-libada --disable-nls --with-gmp=/opt/ada/gmp-4.2.4 --with-mpfr=/opt/ada/mpfr-2.3.1 --with-gnu-as --with-as=/usr/sfw/bin/gas --with-ld=/usr/ccs/bin/ld --disable-multilib --enable-checking=release --enable-threads=solaris
[20:55:33] <e^ipi> hey, i don't care
[20:55:43] <evocallaghan> Just not sure for the target options for express.
[20:55:52] <evocallaghan> :p
[20:56:06] <e^ipi> hence the docs pointer.
[20:56:17] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:I don't see anywhere a answer to my question
[20:56:34] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Yep, I looked. Just comments about Sol10
[20:56:55] <evocallaghan> Does express use 5.11 though ?
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[20:57:36] <e^ipi> uname would seem to answer that
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[20:58:28] <evocallaghan> Yep, so it was rhetorical
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[21:03:49] <codestr0m> e^ipi: I'm having  heck of a time sending a F1+a over serial.. do you know of any way? on the target I got the stack and it's in svc.configd, but it's not only hanging, but causing tip/c-kermit and any other serial device I attach to /dev/term/a to not respond to any keys (meaning I have to -9 it)
[21:04:29] <e^ipi> ascii break
[21:04:39] <codestr0m> you mean with stty?
[21:04:43] <e^ipi> dunno how your terminal emulator sends that
[21:04:52] <e^ipi> but the character you're looking for is 'break'
[21:05:31] <evocallaghan> ~# in tip
[21:05:36] <e^ipi> there you go
[21:05:40] <Triskelios> codestr0m: see the builtin help in kermit
[21:05:50] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: ok.. maybe read what I wrote above
[21:06:10] <codestr0m> Triskelios: yeah. I confirmed c-kermit is working fine normally, but not on this
[21:06:19] <codestr0m> I connect and it responds to nothing
[21:06:29] <codestr0m> can't disconnect.. break. quit. get help. nothing
[21:06:38] <codestr0m> same for tip
[21:07:06] <Triskelios> codestr0m: can't disconnect? you're not using kermit correctly
[21:07:35] <codestr0m> Triskelios: \C
[21:07:41] <codestr0m> ^
[21:08:27] <codestr0m> I confirmed the correct keystroke was being set 1) with ^v In another window to literally print it and by connecting to a well behaving serial device
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[21:08:35] <evocallaghan> codestr0m: Maybe I even bother, I don't have time to baby sit you and take your constant crap you keep giving me..
[21:08:59] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: you really should ignore me.. I mean. anyone who /builds/ a distro and can't figure out --host :P
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[21:09:36] <codestr0m> Triskelios: I agree.. I don't normally use tty/serial connections though
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[21:09:42] <codestr0m> so probably doing something wrong
[21:09:52] <evocallaghan> I really should.
[21:10:23] <Triskelios> codestr0m: look, how are you sending break?
[21:10:49] <codestr0m> ^\B or ^\b
[21:11:06] <codestr0m> I looked in the manual
[21:11:15] <codestr0m> also try the ~#
[21:11:30] <Triskelios> as separate keystrokes, right?
[21:11:38] <codestr0m> correct
[21:11:48] <codestr0m> with another serial device it worked
[21:12:01] <codestr0m> this one and I have to -9 the thing
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[21:15:23] <itwasme> is anyone willing to share solaris 8 for the PC with me? Need to re-build a legacy server with no sign of the CD's
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[21:15:42] <e^ipi> itwasme: no, that would be illegal
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[21:15:57] <e^ipi> call your sales rep, or use 9
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[21:16:16] <e^ipi> if anyone does offer, i'll ban them
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[21:16:51] <itwasme> used to be able to download it free, they dont give it out anymore because its EOL
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[21:17:08] <Triskelios> itwasme: it's superceded by S8 branded zones
[21:17:23] <Triskelios> itwasme: I think the software for that might be free too
[21:17:34] <Triskelios> itwasme: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-2914/gftqt?a=view
[21:17:55] <itwasme> Triskelios: Thanks
[21:18:18] <Triskelios> (don't know if it's both x86 and sparc though)
[21:18:32] <e^ipi> i think it's just sparc
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[21:20:28] <e^ipi> itwasme: solaris is quite compatible. I'd wager your app will deploy on 9 just fine
[21:20:43] <e^ipi> or 10 for that matter
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[21:20:47] <itwasme> A Solaris 8 branded zone (solaris8) is a complete runtime environment for Solaris 8 applications on SPARC machines running the Solaris 10 8/07 Operating System or later. The brand supports the execution of 32-bit and 64-bit Solaris 8 applications
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[21:22:39] <Triskelios> itwasme: you're out of luck on x86 then. do you actually know your applications won't run on newer releases?
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[21:24:06] <codestr0m> Triskelios: so any idea why sending a break would hang kermit?
[21:24:31] <Triskelios> codestr0m: none whatsoever
[21:24:45] <zimmermanc> itwasme , simple google search found locations of solaris 8 isos
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[21:43:11] <e^ipi> hey Gman
[21:43:37] <Gman> hi john
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[21:44:07] <e^ipi> how goes?
[21:47:10] <Gman> stressed.
[21:47:29] * Gman trying to catch up after being out of the loop for a day or two
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[21:47:45] <e^ipi> see? never take breaks.
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[21:48:03] <eviljames> And the moral of the story is: Never try.
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[21:54:48] <e^ipi> Gman: you get some rest after the release and subsequent marketing blitz though ,yeah?
[21:55:01] <codestr0m> this guy I think had the exact same problem http://blogs.sun.com/tdh/entry/booting_into_the_kernel_debugger
[21:55:14] <Gman> e^ipi: i wish...it's on towards 2009.04
[21:55:21] <ukdolphin> hi all, i am new to opensolaris and am trying out zones. However in my new zone i see that there is only a very limited package set installed, no perl/gcc for example. Is there a list of general packages or a template for install? Or is there a way to do a full install by default
[21:55:21] <Gman> a couple of things i want to do before christmas...
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[21:57:06] <Triskelios> ukdolphin: you could inherit packages from the global zone, which also saves space
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[21:57:45] <ukdolphin> I considered that, but i am looking at installing additional packages for example to make the zone a web server
[21:58:39] <CIA-27> Neil Perrin <Neil.Perrin at Sun dot COM>: 6765294 Refactor replay
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[22:04:05] <Triskelios> ukdolphin: looks like a freshly installed zone is always a copy of the global, so additional packages would have to be added post-install
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[22:04:43] <ukdolphin> that is odd, i had the command 'top' in the global but not in the zone
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[22:05:54] <Triskelios> maybe /opt isn't copied
[22:08:00] <e^ipi> ukdolphin: top isn't correct on solaris
[22:08:03] <e^ipi> use prstat
[22:08:35] <e^ipi> top is 1. wrong (inaccurate) 2. slow, and 3. resource hungry
[22:08:44] <ukdolphin> e^ipi: i was just using it as an example package, (but thanks for the advise)
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[22:09:33] <pjfloyd> don't top and prstat use the same data? just differ how they read and present it
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[22:09:38] <e^ipi> nope
[22:10:01] <pjfloyd> I understood that they both read from /proc
[22:10:37] <pjfloyd> I remember old old versions of top (from Solaris 2.6) that were CPU hogs
[22:10:39] <e^ipi> prstat uses pread
[22:10:58] <e^ipi> top does open/read/close
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[22:11:15] <e^ipi> it is much more accurate and much less hungry
[22:11:19] <pjfloyd> but iirc Casper Dik worked on top to improve it
[22:11:45] <pjfloyd> yes but they are just the _reading_ methods, what is read is just the same
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[22:12:24] <Asako> there's a good article on it
[22:12:30] <e^ipi> hey, leeto
[22:12:31] <e^ipi> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2008112501/
[22:12:37] <e^ipi> crossbow's putting back in 105
[22:13:08] <Triskelios> oh, I thought it was in already...
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[22:13:37] <e^ipi> you're probably thinking fireengine
[22:13:48] <pjfloyd> and does prstat have an option to show CPU amd memory summaries like top?
[22:14:01] <cobra-the-joker> can i run open solaris on 512 MB ram ?
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[22:14:09] <Auralis_> cobra-the-joker: painfully so
[22:14:10] <e^ipi> cobra-the-joker: probably not well
[22:14:14] <comay> pjfloyd, prstat -Z does that nicely
[22:14:29] <cobra-the-joker> auralis ..what you meen by painfully
[22:14:34] <cobra-the-joker> very slow ???
[22:14:35] <e^ipi> it will run... slowly
[22:14:43] <cobra-the-joker> mmm
[22:14:58] <cobra-the-joker> any one tried ..or you just assuming ?
[22:15:04] <Asako> b105 already?
[22:15:27] <e^ipi> the gate just opened today
[22:15:35] <Peaceful> Hi, I've never used Solaris of any type before, though I'm a long-time user of linux.  I'd like to try ZFS with OpenSolaris -- my question is the best way to try it out.  I have an Opteron server, should I just download the 2008-05 OpenSolaris LiveCD and install using that?
[22:15:37] <Triskelios> e^ipi: no, could've sworn the crossbow page said b99 earlier...
[22:15:41] <zimmermanc> what is the ZFS file data memory usage come from? curious as to why it's using 20% of my ram
[22:15:59] <e^ipi> Triskelios: yeah, it probably slipped
[22:16:10] <e^ipi> zimmermanc: it caches very aggresively
[22:16:21] <e^ipi> it ejects things pretty quick though so it's not a big deal
[22:16:22] <Triskelios> cobra-the-joker: it will certainly run
[22:16:28] <comay> Peaceful, download the 2008.11 version from genunix.org
[22:16:35] <Auralis_> Peaceful: go with the 2008.11 release candiate, much betetr then .05
[22:16:47] <pjfloyd> I ran Solaris 7 then 8 on 256M then 512M a while back
[22:16:51] <Peaceful> That's why I'm asking!  checking out genunix.org....
[22:16:53] <cobra-the-joker> Triskelios ...comforting
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[22:17:22] <Peaceful> ok, if it's in RC status, should I just wait a couple of weeks so I don't have to reinstall?
[22:17:23] <Triskelios> pjfloyd: I still run S7 on 16MB RAM =P
[22:17:37] <zimmermanc> i see e^ipi  are there docs for viewing the cache, tuning how much it caches , what it caches etc?
[22:17:40] <Auralis_> Peaceful: you don't have to reinstall, you can update it on the spot
[22:17:50] <zimmermanc> curious what tools are used for it, if there are any
[22:17:57] <cobra-the-joker> 16MB ram
[22:18:04] <cobra-the-joker> toooooo comforing
[22:18:05] <cobra-the-joker> lol
[22:18:06] <Peaceful> Auralis_: okay, good to know.  thanks@
[22:18:33] <Auralis_> Peaceful: and you can even boot back into the old pre update ersion if you like, or keep several versions ont he drive
[22:18:49] * cobra-the-joker is now going to setup the OS on his lappy :D
[22:18:58] <sickness> it would be nice if 2008.11 had sxce's wallpapers, they are nicer than the 2008.11 ones :P
[22:19:23] <Triskelios> cobra-the-joker: fyi, 16MB hasn't been possible since around 10 years ago, which was when S7 was around
[22:19:24] <zimmermanc> are they closed source sickness? :D
[22:19:28] <Peaceful> Auralis_: comay : okay, so now my question is...which of the 5 iso's do I need?
[22:19:42] <e^ipi> zimmermanc: in /topic there's the S10SAG, there's a kernel tunables book in there. the specific tuning variables you're looking for is 'arc'
[22:19:58] <ukdolphin> ok, so what other brands do i have the option of? currently it is set to the default of ipkg
[22:19:58] <Auralis_> Peaceful: sxce or solaris 10? in both cases, all ov them, or the dvd image
[22:19:58] <e^ipi> zimmermanc: but remember... unused ram is wasted ram
[22:20:12] <Triskelios> zimmermanc: the wallpapers are CDDL, but they have sun's trademarks
[22:20:13] <zimmermanc> actually was curious if i could get it to cache more e^ipi
[22:20:18] <e^ipi> zimmermanc: better to let ZFS cache with it than to have empty ram banks
[22:20:21] <zimmermanc> :)
[22:20:26] <Asako> the desktop theme in 10/08 is kind of weird
[22:20:26] <e^ipi> oh, yeah
[22:20:35] <Peaceful> Auralis_: Sorry, I don't even understand the question.  What's sxce?
[22:20:46] <zimmermanc> thanks for the docs. i'll take a look at em, thanks alot
[22:21:00] <Auralis_> Peaceful: soalris express cumminity edition, basicaly a development snapshot
[22:21:06] <Asako> but with sxce I never use the desktop any way
[22:21:16] <zimmermanc> Is it Nexenta has the black theme on boot?
[22:21:21] <Triskelios> cobra-the-joker: 512MB will not be very comfortable for e.g. desktop use. if you're only doing lightweight server stuff, you can pull it off
[22:21:29] <zimmermanc> i tried a live cd a month or so ago. liked the theme
[22:21:30] <Asako> nexenta is console only
[22:21:34] <sickness> zimmermanc: I suspect, but it's not difficult to copy them over from an sxce install :P
[22:21:38] <zimmermanc> don't remember which it was
[22:21:42] <Peaceful> Auralis_: I just want to run PostgreSQL on a server.  No GUI, no nothing.  Just SSH and PostgreSQL.
[22:21:52] <zimmermanc> sickness,  i won't tell :)
[22:21:53] <Peaceful> Auralis_: ...and ZFS
[22:21:55] <Asako> svcadm disable cde-login
[22:21:58] <Auralis_> Peaceful: grab solaris 10, and be on your way to fun
[22:22:06] <cobra-the-joker> Triskelios , mmmm
[22:22:09] <Asako> cde-printinfo webconsole, etc.
[22:22:16] <cobra-the-joker> Triskelios , heavy stuff like what ?
[22:22:24] <zimmermanc> sickness,  is it sxce that has the black theme on boot?
[22:22:31] <Asako> nexenta is nice though because the stuff isn't installed in the first place
[22:22:43] <sickness> zimmermanc: black theme?!? where? grub?
[22:22:46] <Asako> I guess you could do a core install and add stuff
[22:22:50] <comay> Peaceful, http://genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0811-rc2.iso should be generally OK unless you want more languages by default
[22:22:57] <zimmermanc> desktop boots to a black gnome theme
[22:23:00] <Asako> does 2008.11 include AVS?
[22:23:03] <Peaceful> Auralis_: do I want "osol-0811-rc2-ai.iso" with the automated installer, or osol-0811-rc2-global.iso or osol-0811-rc2.iso?
[22:23:10] <cobra-the-joker> Triskelios , am a programmer actually ...if that what you meen by heavy stuff :(
[22:23:16] <Peaceful> comay: okay, great.  I only need english
[22:23:29] <zimmermanc> i don't remember which disk it was I tried. I did it through vbox at the time.
[22:23:30] <Peaceful> comay: I take it that "global" just means more languages
[22:23:40] <Auralis_> Peaceful: in that case, its opensolaris, the rc2-global if you need more then english, othewise the rc2.iso
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[22:25:16] <comay> Peaceful, yes that's correct - the CD is also slower to install since it's compressed using LZMA rather than gzip
[22:25:24] <Triskelios> cobra-the-joker: desktop applications will be slow without more than ~1GB RAM
[22:25:57] <cobra-the-joker> mmmm
[22:26:35] <Peaceful> Great, thanks for all the help everone!  I'm downloading osol-0811-rc2.iso...
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[22:27:06] <zimmermanc> is there an install disc without a livecd ?
[22:27:53] <zimmermanc> seems like if i remember, my disc didn't have that option, kinda peeved me.  i knew i wanted to install. didn't really care to boot to a live install heh
[22:28:20] <e^ipi> nope, not yet
[22:28:33] <comay> zmimmermanc, there is an automated installer image (look on genunix.org)
[22:28:50] <e^ipi> comay: they still working on the text installer?
[22:28:57] <Asako> we should start a genunix mirror, hehe
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[22:29:21] <comay> there's AI docs here http://opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/auto_install/Documentation/
[22:29:31] <comay> e^ipi, no text installer yet
[22:29:43] <Triskelios> I'm putting the local 2008.05/2008.11 mirror back up
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[22:35:58] <kimc> looking for a way to monitor a comstar iscsi target
[22:36:00] <Pontus12> Hello
[22:36:03] <Pontus12> Im new to this
[22:36:17] <Pontus12> And i have a Creative Soundblaster F1dality
[22:36:33] <Pontus12> audio card ( im swedish excuse my language
[22:36:44] <Pontus12> how do i get the sound to work?
[22:36:56] <e^ipi> Pontus12: there may be drivers in OSS
[22:36:56] <eviljames> Pontus12: Top of the screen, System menu, Administration, Device Drivers
[22:37:06] <eviljames> Pontus12: See if your audio card is highlighted in pink.
[22:37:25] <Pontus12> Ahaa thanks mate
[22:37:28] <e^ipi> http://www.4front-tech.com/release/oss-solaris-v4.0-1016-i386.pkg
[22:37:31] <e^ipi> pkgadd that
[22:38:52] <tCzern> how can I find out if this card is support by opensolaris: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166017
[22:39:17] <ukdolphin> is there a better way to use the pkg command, i have been doing things like 'pkg install perl' and it tells me it cant find a package by that name. Unless i type the full name correctly. How do i search for packages which i dont know the full name off?
[22:39:22] <tCzern> I have a built in one right now which was not recognized  by the LiveCD
[22:39:47] <e^ipi> tCzern: that's a realtek card
[22:39:50] <e^ipi> rge is supported
[22:39:52] <Triskelios> ukdolphin: pkg search (see man pkg or opensolaris.com docs)
[22:40:17] <e^ipi> you need to figure out the chipset but i recognize that chip from the picture
[22:40:21] <e^ipi> it's rge
[22:40:22] <codestr0m> is there any alternative to kmdb for solaris kernel debugging..
[22:40:45] <Triskelios> tCzern: the live CD doesn't include the OSS drivers, which support a much larger number of sound cards
[22:40:57] <tCzern> hm, I may have a realtek chip on my motherboard
[22:41:22] <Triskelios> oh, wait, you're asking about the nic
[22:41:29] <tCzern> Triskelios: I found the drivers for my sound card, but I would need a connections to the web first
[22:41:38] <Pontus12> Anyone that knows how to get drivers 2 Creative soundblaster f1delity
[22:41:38] <tCzern> so what card IS supported?
[22:41:48] <alanc> ukdolphin: pkg search -r perl   (the -r is important to search the repo instead of just what's already installed)
[22:41:59] <ukdolphin> arh ok :)
[22:42:00] <eviljames> Pontus12: e^ipi gave you the solution above.
[22:42:03] <ukdolphin> thanks
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[22:42:08] <Triskelios> Pontus12: download the package e^ipi linked
[22:42:43] <e^ipi> tCzern: rge works. i have one
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[22:42:59] <e^ipi> they're all just built off a realtek reference card... mine is one, that one you linked is one
[22:43:01] <tCzern> what is rge?
[22:43:05] <e^ipi> pay as little as possible
[22:43:09] <e^ipi> rge = realtek gigabit ethernet
[22:43:34] <hrist_> I have an attansic nic, no driver besides the alpha one from freenic
[22:43:40] <hrist_> :/
[22:43:47] <Asako> anything using rtls is trash
[22:43:52] <sickness> http://rafb.net/p/SGuSdN32.html <- anyone had the same problem? :(
[22:44:00] <sickness> what I'm supposed to do? :/
[22:44:35] <Auralis_> sickness: umm, it tells you the source of the problem and how to fix it exactly
[22:44:47] <sickness> heh
[22:45:04] <Asako> seen that before, not sure how I fixed it
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[22:45:15] <Auralis_> last three lines
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[22:45:21] <sickness> but why in the hell he created another be?!? I just want mplayer installed, if he can't do it, just don't install mplayer, I don't like to have my bes screwed :/
[22:45:24] <hrist_> Auralis_: I know :D but I don't have time to buy a new nic
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[22:46:25] <Triskelios> sickness: it's the same be
[22:46:36] <Triskelios> sickness: some of the blastwave packages might be broken
[22:47:03] <sickness> ok
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[22:48:08] <Triskelios> sickness: try SFEmplayer or lifewithsolaris packages
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[22:50:54] <tCzern> I also have a wireless linksys card which doesn't work
[22:51:04] <tCzern> starting the system now, and let you know what it is ...
[22:55:42] <sickness> Triskelios: I've already installed vlc from lifewithsolaris, but mplayer from lifewithsolaris doesn't install as well (at least it doesn't bork the system =)
[22:56:02] <Asako> build your own?
[22:56:04] <Triskelios> sickness: I suggest SFE then
[22:56:40] <Asako> you got gcc and sun studio
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[22:58:31] <eviljames> e^ipi: That link for oss you posted, maybe I'm confused about some details, but pkgadd will add that to the system, in the same management system as pkg attaches to?
[22:58:37] <eviljames> e^ipi: As in, it has it's on fmri and such?
[22:58:40] <CIA-27> Eric Taylor <Eric.Taylor at Sun dot COM>: 6572357 libzfs should do more to avoid mnttab lookups, 6572376 zfs_iter_filesystems and zfs_iter_snapshots get objset stats twice
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[22:59:24] <Triskelios> eviljames: pkgadd is the legacy packaging system, so it will be separate
[22:59:34] <eviljames> Triskelios: Thanks.
[23:01:34] <tCzern> I have a VIA Technolgoies Card VT6102 Rhine III
[23:02:01] <tCzern> an an Airgo Networks Inc, AGN100 True Mimo Wireless Card
[23:02:18] <Asako> pkgadd isn't even in opensolaris
[23:02:31] <eviljames> Asako: Yes it is.  /usr/sbin/pkgadd
[23:02:36] <tCzern> both not working. So, how can I install then?
[23:02:39] <Asako> ah, ok
[23:04:37] <Auralis_> Asako: pkgadd is in opensolaris
[23:04:51] <Triskelios> tCzern: the via card uses vfe from masa-san (SFEnicdrv-vfe) or a proprietary driver from via's web site
[23:05:08] <Triskelios> tCzern: SOL for the airgo card
[23:05:27] <tCzern> So,I just download the driver and install it?
[23:05:38] <Triskelios> tCzern: yes
[23:05:51] <tCzern> great, thanks!
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[23:18:03] <c00p> does anyone else have problems stoping or starting their smb server ?
[23:18:06] <c00p> [ Nov 26 09:18:55 Method or service exit timed out.  Killing contract 111. ]
[23:18:15] <c00p> it just keeps printing that to the log.
[23:18:37] <tCzern> Triskelios: could you help me to find the right driver, please? I am on the via site right now but ....
[23:19:27] <Triskelios> tCzern: I don't know about via's site, but SFEnicdrv and SFEnicdrv-vfe have binaries
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[23:20:44] <tCzern> http://trisk.acm.jhu.edu/SFE/SFEnicdrv/ this one? the last on the list? I guess ..
[23:23:44] <eviljames> e^ipi: Any literature that is good reading for oss/opensolaris?
[23:24:20] <pjfloyd> eviljames: what do you want to learn?
[23:24:26] <e^ipi> S10SAG ?
[23:25:34] <eviljames> pjfloyd: Really, I'm trying to help Pontus12 with it.  e^ipi suggested trying oss for his sound card, but Pontus12 is new to all this, and I've never bothered with sound.
[23:25:44] <e^ipi> oh, i dunno
[23:25:51] <e^ipi> there's an install guide for OSS
[23:26:01] <e^ipi> besides that, it's just a driver
[23:26:05] <zimmermanc> ok nub question. how to disable the pc speaker. it's driving me crazy
[23:26:06] <e^ipi> it works, or it doesn't
[23:26:15] <e^ipi> if it doesn't, it's not supported hardware
[23:26:35] <pjfloyd> I've never much bothered with sound on Solaris
[23:26:46] <Triskelios> eviljames: should be able to play around with osstest and the other oss* commands... certainly if the sound card is on the list it should work
[23:27:07] <eviljames> k, thanks gents, that's pretty much what I needed to know.
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[23:27:30] <Triskelios> pjfloyd: it's remarkably less painful than you might imagine
[23:27:38] <eviljames> pjfloyd: I'm in the same boat... the only things connected to my solaris machine are a network cable and power.
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[23:31:14] <eviljames> Triskelios: I think that a number of things have become significantly less painful since I first tried Solaris.
[23:33:21] <pjfloyd> Triskelios: I usually listen to music with iTunes on my MacBook Pro
[23:33:43] <pjfloyd> I'm not holding my breath for Solaris to have anything to match iTunes
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[23:34:10] <e^ipi> i hate itunes immensely
[23:34:14] <Auralis_> i quite like quad libet as music player
[23:34:17] <e^ipi> and all the media players try to emulate it
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[23:34:34] <e^ipi> so i pretty much hate every media player out there with the exception of xmms, which is alright
[23:34:39] <Triskelios> pjfloyd: songbird is integrated
[23:35:15] <codestr0m> e^ipi: I prefer the python cli based exaile 3.0
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[23:35:29] <Triskelios> I've hated xmms ever since its randomiser decided I really liked one song
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[23:35:57] <e^ipi> heh
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[23:37:04] <e^ipi> on the plus side, RANDU is very light on resources
[23:37:10] <h3sp4wn> I prefer amarok or just use mplayer cli (don't like itunes)
[23:37:26] <e^ipi> amarok is another itunes clone that i dislike
[23:37:51] <e^ipi> a big play button, and a playlist... that's really all i awnt
[23:37:54] <Auralis_> i tried amarok once, i found its gui horrid
[23:37:55] <e^ipi> *want
[23:38:02] <Asako> you could use mp3blaster
[23:38:05] <Asako> cli, hehe
[23:38:08] <e^ipi> vlc does this reasonably well, xmms does as well
[23:38:35] <Asako> amarok rules though
[23:39:01] <Asako> I can just click random album, done
[23:39:23] <eviljames> h3sp4wn: amarok > * imho.
[23:39:38] <eviljames> Auralis_: Really?  What did you find the matter with it?
[23:40:09] <Auralis_> eviljames: i found the gui way to busy and confusing
[23:40:10] <Asako> e^ipi, there's also mpd
[23:40:23] <Asako> use mpc, you can script it
[23:40:30] <e^ipi> i don't want my media player to "manage my collection", that's what a filesystem does
[23:40:58] <Asako> it's not the same
[23:40:58] <Auralis_> qoud libet does that nicely, it doesn't manages, it just provides access
[23:41:10] <Asako> file systems don't have integrated tag editors, etc.
[23:41:15] <Asako> unless you're on BeOS
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[23:41:55] <dustman> I second Asako
[23:41:59] <dustman> mpd is great
[23:42:00] <h3sp4wn> I cannot be bothered tagging stuff and musicbrainz and mtp integration is nice and last.fm
[23:42:23] <Asako> autotag, hehe
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[23:43:59] <Asako> bah, IPSamarok is broken
[23:44:16] <zimmermanc> songbird
[23:44:41] <dustman> mpd+sonata
[23:45:21] <LeftyBSD> what's MPD?
[23:45:40] <Asako> google it
[23:45:47] <e^ipi> google://mpd ?
[23:45:51] <Asako> I could never get it to compile on solaris
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[23:47:11] <glance> how hard can it be? =)
[23:47:29] <Triskelios> I had it installed
[23:47:48] <e^ipi> glance: depends what sorts of assumptions it makes
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[23:53:04] <glance> e^ipi: getting things to work on solaris is just a walk in the park, compared to the usual head-bashing getting random linux/gcc-assumptions to compile in aix/xlc =)
[23:53:49] <Asako> yeah
[23:53:56] <e^ipi> quite possibly, but studio has those same problems
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[23:54:04] <Asako> dunno, it was some compile error
[23:54:13] <Asako> and now I don't need it, so meh
[23:54:28] <glance> hurm. i haven't played around that mouch
[23:54:30] <glance> err..
[23:54:45] <dustman> g'night
[23:54:55] <e^ipi> studio's a superior compiler
[23:54:58] <e^ipi> like xlc is
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[23:55:07] <e^ipi> but you lose gcc compatibility
[23:55:23] <e^ipi> and gcc works in aix just fine too, but it sucks
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[23:56:03] <glance> nae.. gcc doesn't work that good on aix... not in my experience atleast.
[23:56:39] <e^ipi> works just as well as it does on solaris
[23:56:46] <e^ipi> hence, we have a better compiler ;)
[23:56:51] <e^ipi> so does ibm
[23:57:38] <glance> next upgrade-race im probably going to have a closer look at studio...
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[23:57:55] <glance> btw, when did sun start to publicly release studio for free download?
[23:58:37] <codestr0m> glance: a while, but back realize there's a license difference between that which comes with opensolaris indiana and the sun downloads site
[23:59:16] <codestr0m> I have a shell script which will pull/install the pkg.os.o one which is under the redistributable license.. however, it's only for opensolaris technology
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[23:59:28] <MindDrive> I will concur with mpd/mpc (and I use gmpc for the graphical interface).  I gave up on XMMS after constantly fighting with it to not hang, crash, and not work in general.
[23:59:33] <h3sp4wn> I wish studio was as flexible with gcc code as icc is
[23:59:36] <MindDrive> (Especially with the OSS drivers.)
[23:59:37] <Stric> gccfss might be interesting if you need gcc compat.. it's gcc with sun studio backend
[23:59:46] <Stric> h3sp4wn: ^^^  ;)
[23:59:59] <Auralis_> gccfss on sparc is pretty nifty





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