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[00:04:24] <Berny> hmm... whz would live upgrade fail with that message: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1263877
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[00:15:09] <eviljames> Berny: There's no more than that?
[00:15:25] <Berny> eviljames, nope
[00:15:28] <Berny> thats it
[00:16:23] <Berny> thats why i'm lost
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[00:16:43] <eviljames> My random guess has to do with boot environment profiles.
[00:17:13] <Stric> add truss -o /tmp/blah -f    and check for stuff there
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[00:17:41] <Berny> Stric, im on it
[00:18:02] <Berny> though ~40MB are a lot to read :-)
[00:18:29] <Stric> yup. start from the end
[00:18:33] <nachox> i can almost feel the pain of that, i dont know if truss is the solution
[00:18:47] <nachox> though i dont have any better idea...
[00:19:07] <Stric> it's "a" solution.. maybe not "the" solution
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[00:24:31] <Berny> tmm the last 20000lines are cleaning up tmp and co
[00:24:41] <Berny> i guess i'll continue tomorrow
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[00:34:52] * nachox wonders what build will include zfs-crypto
[00:35:09] <turtle> b992
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[00:36:26] <eviljames> I thought zfs already had crypto?
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[00:37:57] <e^ipi> nope
[00:38:01] <e^ipi> the changes are still in CR i think
[00:38:08] <xRaich[o]2x> i heard the target build is 105. not sure though
[00:38:42] <xRaich[o]2x> read it somewhere on the project page, dunno if it's still up-to-date
[00:38:44] <turtle> it's right on the zfs-crypto page
[00:39:30] <skullone> hrm interesting, i specified an OID, and now it works
[00:39:41] <skullone> snmpwalk doesnt just go through all OIDS it seems
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[00:40:36] <skullone> # snmpwalk localhost | grep helloworld
[00:40:38] <skullone> no output
[00:40:46] <skullone> # snmpwalk localhost .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.8.1.101
[00:40:47] <skullone> UCD-SNMP-MIB::extOutput.1 = STRING: helloworld
[00:41:05] <skullone> err, woops.. this was entirely the wrong channel  =/
[00:41:46] <eviljames> hahaha
[00:41:55] <Archite> heh
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[00:49:54] <skullone> i really hate snmpd
[00:50:46] <_Auralis> i bet you are not laone in that
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[00:58:39] <CIA-34> Reza Sabdar <Reza.Sabdar at Sun dot COM>: 6758838 Amber Road NDMP: ndmpd passes invalid path for DAR restore of multiple files, 6759422 Amber Road NDMP: cannot do a full file level restore, 6760988 Amber Road NDMP: Partial 3-way restore fails, 6747032 Amber Road NDMP: cannot backup hardlinks in TSM with toc=yes, 6766296 Amber Road NDMP: need ndmp enhancements for BackupExec, 6755552 Amber Road NDMP: ndmp status page should give more info about physical device
[00:58:40] <CIA-34> Jack Meng <Jack.Meng at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2008/427 iSCSI Boot, PSARC 2008/640 iSCSI With DHCP, 6701045 iSCSI boot on x86, 6713364 iscsi needs to support PSARC 2008/337 scsi-self-identifying, 6422549 delay nl7c_init() call until after the root is mounted, 6751246 dhcp release the lease before sync is committed on iSCSI disk, 6763891 device name of the same lun is different by different discovery mode, non MPxIO, 6768382 Add dependency on netowrk/physical in l
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[01:04:48] <skullone> well, i see that snmpwalk by default uses worthless MIBII oid's
[01:05:05] <skullone> thats been tripping me up
[01:05:14] <skullone> just adding a . to snmpwalk fixed my lookups
[01:05:34] <skullone> snmpwalk localhost .
[01:08:46] <skullone> but, i still cant seeminly specify the oid i want to use...
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[01:58:36] <CIA-34> Mark Powers <Mark.Powers at Sun dot COM>: 6772059 GCM atomic operations incorrectly require block multiples
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[02:09:35] <xRaich[o]2x> is it possible to look at older versions of ON?
[02:11:48] <jmcp_> xRaich[o]2x: yes
[02:12:31] <xRaich[o]2x> jmcp_: can i do this with opengrok? i just want to check 2 files for changes
[02:12:40] <jmcp_> eg http://src.opensolaris.org/source/history/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/sys/byteorder.h, or even   http://src.opensolaris.org/source/diff/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/sys/byteorder.h?r2=%2Fonnv%2Fonnv-gate%2Fusr%2Fsrc%2Futs%2Fcommon%2Fsys%2Fbyteorder.h%407421&r1=%2Fonnv%2Fonnv-gate%2Fusr%2Fsrc%2Futs%2Fcommon%2Fsys%2Fbyteorder.h%405331
[02:13:34] <xRaich[o]2x> jmcp_: awesome! thanks
[02:13:47] <jmcp_> yw
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[03:01:50] <bacon000> I'm new to Opensolaris.  What're my options for running virtualization software on top of it?  No VMware, it appears.
[03:02:50] <stevel> bacon000: virtualbox
[03:02:59] <xRaich[o]2x> you can use virtualbox or zones to create instances of solaris. or you can use branded zones to create linux zones
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[03:03:51] <bacon000> ok, great.  thx.
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[03:06:16] <bacon000> No Eclipse for Opensolaris?
[03:06:36] <xRaich[o]2x> dunno. i use netbeans
[03:06:37] <alanc> bacon000: it's coming to the pkg.opensolaris.org repo very soon
[03:06:49] <bacon000> cool.
[03:07:00] <coffman> hello
[03:07:16] <alanc> btw, 2008.11 RC2 images have magically appeared at genunix.org for those with nothing better to do on friday night/saturday morning
[03:07:21] <xRaich[o]2x> hi coffman.
[03:07:38] <xRaich[o]2x> alanc: great :)
[03:07:47] <coffman> bacon000: for virtualization you also got xVM which is a fork of xen
[03:08:11] <coffman> with some extra stuff and platform specific extensions
[03:08:28] * xRaich[o]2x is still trying to figure out a driver bug and i need livecds for that. maybe the bug has been already killed in rc2 :)
[03:08:31] <bacon000> cool, thx.  sounds like there are several options.
[03:09:14] <coffman> eclipse is evil, ibm did great work to make swt platform dependend
[03:09:18] <coffman> that fuckers
[03:09:33] <coffman> xRaich[o]2x: which?
[03:09:42] <bacon000> i like Netbeans, but the plugin i use has better support on Eclipse for now.
[03:10:06] <bacon000> other plugins i use have better NB support, so it's a tradeoff i guess.
[03:10:08] <xRaich[o]2x> coffman: when a lot of I/O happens the system just hangs
[03:10:26] <coffman> xRaich[o]2x: hm, and you found out which driver is the problem?
[03:10:41] <xRaich[o]2x> maybe. running some tests right now
[03:10:57] <coffman> dtrace the shit out of that bug :P
[03:11:16] <xRaich[o]2x> checked the diffs and have dtrace is armed and ready ;)
[03:11:34] <xRaich[o]2x> plus i need more coffee
[03:11:44] <coffman> i got club mate :P
[03:12:00] <xRaich[o]2x> hrhr. i'm not that scene :P
[03:12:28] <xRaich[o]2x> instant discount coffee. hacker's champagne ^^
[03:12:35] <bacon000> heh
[03:12:36] <coffman> well. people come to us for club mate only :P
[03:12:46] <xRaich[o]2x> i know
[03:13:00] <xRaich[o]2x> never drank it since i don't know if it's really vegan
[03:13:21] <coffman> we consume 50+ boxes of it per month
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[03:13:40] <xRaich[o]2x> holy jesus on a stick O_O
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[03:14:31] <coffman> its vegan i think
[03:14:40] <xRaich[o]2x> btw. since you mentioned dtrace. tried to figure out a freebsd driver bug today... doing that stuff without dtrace is just no fun... ^^
[03:14:40] <coffman> xRaich[o]2x: so you coming to the congress?
[03:15:20] <xRaich[o]2x> nah not really never went to any hacker conventions
[03:15:38] <coffman> there is a first time for everything :P
[03:16:03] <xRaich[o]2x> hrhr
[03:16:14] <xRaich[o]2x> where is it?
[03:16:36] <coffman> berlin ofc
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[03:16:55] <coffman> 27.-30. dez
[03:17:58] <coffman> and next year there is http://har2009.org/
[03:17:59] <xRaich[o]2x> hrm... going alone kinda sucks. berlin is pretty much a distance
[03:18:12] <xRaich[o]2x> and since i don't have a car
[03:18:21] <coffman> it will have a own opensolaris village (har09)
[03:18:29] <monadwr> What's that multiplatform/multi-OS tool used to check for device compatability with opensolaris
[03:18:30] <coffman> xRaich[o]2x: where you from?
[03:18:35] 
[03:19:19] <vipe> I have some kind of an unusual question here, my client asked me to setup a solaris and setup some issues so they can (try) resolve it, to learn from it: I was thinking on something like: chmod 0740 / ; chgrp foobar /etc/passwd chmod 440 /etc/passwd (results in only members of a certain group and root can login) ; change device aliases (obp) ; mv /etc/path_to_inst /etc/path_to_inst.foobar (rename after netboot); passwd -l root (lock the root account) ;
[03:19:49] <vipe> any other nice tricks (out of the blue) ?
[03:20:09] <coffman> xRaich[o]2x: thats not that far away
[03:20:29] <vipe> never had a client who asked "create some system issues for me please"
[03:21:59] <coffman> vipe: break the raid :)
[03:22:02] <xRaich[o]2x> vipe: snapshot the homedir and delete the files
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[03:23:01] <vipe> :)
[03:23:14] <xRaich[o]2x> you could run dd if=/dev/random on a mirrored pool. wouldn't be that problematic since zfs would heal itself :P
[03:23:26] <vipe> oh... got an other nice one... overwrite the primary superblock... I don't acspect them to know newfs =N
[03:23:35] <vipe> s/\=/\
[03:23:37] <xRaich[o]2x> but you could do a live presentation ;)
[03:24:20] <vipe> xRaich[o]2x: which I'll be doing before... during a solaris 10, vcs and vxvm training
[03:24:22] <purserj> could anyone point me at doco on installing opensolaris using the text console?
[03:25:43] <xRaich[o]2x> coffman: you know what sucks about bugs?
[03:25:53] <stevel> commnicable diseases
[03:25:55] <xRaich[o]2x> the never show up when you want them to
[03:25:58] <stevel> communicable even
[03:26:22] <vipe> any one an idea how to panic a systems, besides using `reboot -d` ?
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[03:29:35] <xRaich[o]2x> alanc: what build is rc2 still 101?
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[03:35:25] <coffman> xRaich[o]2x: well, i dont think they start changing the underlaying build...
[03:36:08] <xRaich[o]2x> yeah just though about it and realized that it was actually pretty stupid to ask that question
[03:36:34] <coffman> hm
[03:36:50] <coffman> i could open some wine...
[03:36:58] <coffman> debuging bad php code is no fun
[03:37:36] <xRaich[o]2x> i had my fair share of non-fun-debugging today.
[03:37:50] <coffman> belive me
[03:37:55] <coffman> you cant top this
[03:37:58] <coffman> this is...
[03:38:31] <xRaich[o]2x> i never really coded php i just know that it's fugly as hell
[03:38:50] <purserj> coffman: sure I can, Access and VBScript
[03:39:16] <coffman> me neither, but this is just a pill of shit
[03:39:42] <coffman> im only supposed to put it on another system
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[03:40:37] <coffman> purserj: im so so sorry for you
[03:41:47] <purserj> written by the network support guy
[03:42:07] <purserj> and then handed to me to change enough that it can be installed across the network
[03:42:36] <xRaich[o]2x> that reminds me of a guy at university that freaked out when i told him that VB is just pure shit ^^ "butbutbut i can do every thing i want with it" XD
[03:43:43] <xRaich[o]2x> coffman: i like the idea of the opensolaris village at the congress. what's going to happen there?
[03:44:05] <coffman> xRaich[o]2x: not on the congress, on the camp in the netherlands next year
[03:44:38] <xRaich[o]2x> ah ok
[03:45:18] <coffman> xRaich[o]2x: http://har2009.org/
[03:45:28] <coffman> will be like 3k hackers
[03:45:39] <coffman> outside, camping
[03:45:44] <coffman> :)
[03:46:15] <coffman> last camp was in germany 2007, there we had 4 people
[03:46:30] <xRaich[o]2x> 4?
[03:46:34] <coffman> 4k
[03:46:38] <xRaich[o]2x> hrhr
[03:46:41] <xRaich[o]2x> though so
[03:46:50] <coffman> epic
[03:47:11] <xRaich[o]2x> 4 would have been pretty pathetic
[03:47:54] <coffman> the congress will be huge, its the 25th congress, i think there  will be around 5k people coming
[03:48:09] <xRaich[o]2x> sounds scary
[03:48:25] <coffman> and we will have around 20gigbit to the internet
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[03:49:16] <coffman> i think the dragonfly bsd guys will me there
[03:49:27] <coffman> *me/meet
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[03:51:07] <coffman> xRaich[o]2x: we have a hackcenter there, the whole thing is 24/7 open
[03:51:15] <xRaich[o]2x> hmmm i really wonder if the freebsd dtrace project will get anywhere
[03:52:12] <xRaich[o]2x> coffman: what's so special about those hackcenters?
[03:53:13] <coffman> around 500 people, sitting there doing all kind of things
[03:53:23] <coffman> just crazy
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[03:58:41] <CIA-34> Jan Setje-Eilers <Jan.Setje-Eilers at Sun dot COM>: 6772666 GRUB: splashimage breaks (vga) console output with existing graphics
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[04:13:02] <eager> Hi -- I'm setting up a ZFS server and wanted to configure CIFS/SMB support.  I've got it partially working, and can mount a filesystem on Windows, but cannot browse available shares.
[04:14:01] <eager> I found a comment about upgrading to ZFS level 9 to enable browsing, but I'm at level 10.
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[04:23:11] <coffman> so, how do i update a os2008.11 zone?
[04:23:28] <coffman> "pkg: image-update cannot be done on live image"
[04:23:40] <coffman> is what i get if i run image-update in the zone
[04:25:46] <coffman> i guess pkg -R ?
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[04:35:36] <skullone> if anyone remembers me whining about some custom snmp oids not working, if found out why  =/
[04:36:02] <skullone> net-snmp 5.4 has 'changed' the way exec/extend work, and it doesnt let you specify a custom mib as it once did
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[05:13:55] <Blackknight> hello
[05:15:03] <Blackknight> Nov 21 23:04:46 xentest8.liquidweb.com scsi: [ID 107833 kern.warning] WARNING: /scsi_vhci/disk@g600144f0492091030000e04c7788f100 (sd4):
[05:15:06] <Blackknight> Nov 21 23:04:46 xentest8.liquidweb.com  SYNCHRONIZE CACHE command failed (5)
[05:15:19] <Blackknight> what would cause that?
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[05:20:03] <Blackknight> never mind, forgot I removed that disk
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[05:28:51] <Blackknight> you'd think the system would recognize when an iscsi target is destroyed
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[06:11:37] <qiyong> how solaris kernel detect which driver to choose for a specific device?
[06:11:59] <yksinaisyyteni> /etc/driver_aliases
[06:12:54] <qiyong> yksinaisyyteni: so for a new driver, i need to add an item there?
[06:13:02] <yksinaisyyteni> no, you should use add_drv
[06:13:30] <qiyong> with a conf file
[06:13:35] <yksinaisyyteni> huh?
[06:13:51] <qiyong> feed a conf file to add_drv, then add_drv will add it to driver_aliases?
[06:14:06] <yksinaisyyteni> no, add_drv takes options on the command line
[06:14:12] <qiyong> so the solaris kernel itself doesn't keep any driver device mapping infomation itself/
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[06:14:39] <qiyong> all the mapping infomation is in /etc/driver_aliases ?
[06:14:43] <yksinaisyyteni> yes
[06:15:04] <qiyong> so, if this file got lost, driver won't work?
[06:15:10] <yksinaisyyteni> yes
[06:17:58] <qiyong> do you know linux?
[06:18:02] <qiyong> 's way
[06:18:20] <qiyong> linux has it hard coded in the source code
[06:18:30] <qiyong> and detect at run time
[06:18:57] <qiyong> solaris's driver doesn't have a choose to detect itself\
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[06:21:36] <yksinaisyyteni> why would you need that?
[06:21:45] <coffman> mmm
[06:22:21] <qiyong> i'm planning to add a driver to the system
[06:22:26] <coffman> who did the package for SUNWapch22 in os 2xxx.xx?
[06:23:03] <coffman> wanting to remove /var/apache2 on uninstall is quite stupid
[06:24:36] <qiyong> indeed
[06:25:17] * coffman wants to give the maintainer a good smack
[06:25:44] <qiyong> but if it's empty
[06:25:52] <coffman> its not
[06:26:08] <qiyong> it's acceptable to rm an empty dir
[06:26:17] <coffman> yeah
[06:26:24] <coffman> but in my case it wasnt empty
[06:26:28] <yksinaisyyteni> .. what am i doing wrong here? http://rafb.net/p/TSLBau21.html
[06:26:54] <yksinaisyyteni> oh, it cares about order of arguments.  -runmode auto -ext
[06:27:11] <qiyong> coffman: you web site will be destroyed
[06:28:07] <coffman> and well, it tried and failed, which is okay, but being unable to remove the package as long there is something in /var/apache2 is stupid
[06:28:21] <coffman> ofc i had it on his own zfs
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[06:28:33] <yksinaisyyteni> coffman: last time i used IPS, if you removed a package and one of its directories still had contents left, it moved the directory out of the way
[06:29:28] <coffman> yksinaisyyteni: ic, well i had a dedicated filesystem for /var/apache2
[06:29:54] <coffman> so i will move it somewhere else...
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[06:39:15] <comay> coffman, did you lose your editable files under the file system?
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[06:41:09] <coffman> comay: nope
[06:45:23] <coffman> since /var/apache2 was the mountpoint for a zfs, pkg uninstall refused to remove the package
[06:46:06] <comay> what was the error you received?
[06:48:09] <coffman> comay: http://pastebin.ca/1264134
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[06:52:04] <comay> thanks coffman; looks like a manifestation of http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=529
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[07:39:42] <noisewaterphd> so i could only find one download
[07:39:50] <noisewaterphd> is it 64bit?
[07:40:23] <noisewaterphd> also im installing in vmware on a mac pro desktop
[07:40:34] <noisewaterphd> vmware has some presets
[07:40:57] <noisewaterphd> is this close enough to solaris 10 that i can go with that preset or shuld i customize a vm
[07:43:43] <trygvis> that should work
[07:43:52] <trygvis> solaris autoselects 64 or 32 bit on boot
[07:44:23] <noisewaterphd> oh cool
[07:44:50] <noisewaterphd> this is my first time with solaris
[07:45:07] <noisewaterphd> i'm considering moving my servers to open solaris
[07:45:26] <noisewaterphd> currently been using fedora for many years
[07:45:40] <noisewaterphd> is there an equivalent to yum
[07:46:19] <trygvis> not from sun, but there are add-on projects like opencsw.org
[07:48:13] <noisewaterphd> would you say that is the way to go, or do you manage with some other method
[07:49:44] <trygvis> that's what I'm using
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[07:50:23] <noisewaterphd> any other 'must haves'?
[07:50:47] <trygvis> nope, now it is time to profit! :)
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[07:51:05] <trygvis> well, a copy of docs.sun.com is nice to have locally
[07:52:16] <yksinaisyyteni> noisewaterphd: vmware workstation has a solaris 10 option for OS
[07:52:32] <noisewaterphd> ya, i went ahead and used that
[07:53:44] <c00p> anyone here succesfully done a 101b/rc1 -> rc2 image-upgrade ?
[07:54:16] <noisewaterphd> i couldn't find this channel on the open solaris site just looking for it btw, i turned it up with a google search
[08:00:17] <yksinaisyyteni> how curious, the new intel c/c++ compiler is a 1G download.  i'm sure i don't remember it being that large
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[09:03:37] <Tobbe> Hi. Can someone please help me figure out why smb/server isn't working? For some reason the smbsrv module doesn't get loaded. Why could that be?
[09:05:57] <noisewaterphd> have you checked the logs
[09:08:24] <Tobbe> any particular log output you're interested in?
[09:09:06] <noisewaterphd> just wondering if there is anything useful in the smb logs
[09:09:07] <Tobbe> relevant parts of dmesg: http://paste2.org/p/104585
[09:09:25] <Tobbe> modinfo: http://paste2.org/p/104587
[09:11:55] <noisewaterphd> samba_directory /var/smbd.log and samba_directory /var/nmbd.log, where samba_directory is the location where Samba was installed (typically, /usr/local/samba)
[09:12:39] <Tobbe> I'm not using Samba, I'm using the kernel stuff
[09:12:49] <noisewaterphd> and just a disclaimer, I just barely installed solaris for the first time ever a little bit ago
[09:13:10] <Tobbe> I'll take any help I can get :)
[09:13:49] <noisewaterphd> but if, oh nevermind, so you can'y even load the module to use
[09:14:22] <yksinaisyyteni> Tobbe: what does the service's logfile say?
[09:15:30] <Tobbe> /var/svc/log/network-smb-server\:default.log: http://paste2.org/p/105279
[09:16:18] <Tobbe> yksinaisyyteni: is that the log you asked about?
[09:17:52] <noisewaterphd> ok so it's turned to maintenence mode
[09:17:59] <noisewaterphd> try running this
[09:18:01] <noisewaterphd> svcadm clear smb/server
[09:18:22] <noisewaterphd> again - new to solaris
[09:18:37] <noisewaterphd> banking on generic unix skills
[09:18:43] <Tobbe> done
[09:18:52] <noisewaterphd> still getting same errors
[09:18:54] <noisewaterphd> ?
[09:19:07] <noisewaterphd> does it seem to be in a running state
[09:19:58] <Tobbe> no, it returned to maintenence mode again
[09:20:56] <noisewaterphd> smbd: kernel bind error: No such file or directory
[09:21:05] <noisewaterphd> im worried about that line right there
[09:21:13] <noisewaterphd> what file is missing
[09:21:17] <Tobbe> please see: http://paste2.org/p/105280 (output of svcs -xv)
[09:21:21] <noisewaterphd> does it elucidate in any of the logs
[09:21:58] <Tobbe> I think it can't find the smbsrv kernel module
[09:23:31] <noisewaterphd> ya do you have the smbsrv driver installed
[09:23:34] <noisewaterphd> ?
[09:23:56] <noisewaterphd> modinfo | grep smbsrv
[09:24:44] <Tobbe> http://paste2.org/p/104587
[09:25:15] <Tobbe> I think I have all the necessary packages installed
[09:27:17] <noisewaterphd> you need smbsrv
[09:27:26] <noisewaterphd> which you dont seem to have
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[09:27:39] <noisewaterphd> it looks like you only have the nsmb
[09:27:45] <Tobbe> there is no package named "smbsrv" though
[09:28:13] <noisewaterphd> thats where my lack of solaris knowledge might fail us
[09:28:28] <noisewaterphd> maybe it's included in another package?
[09:28:29] <Tobbe> I have the SUNWsmbs package installed
[09:28:40] <Tobbe> the description says "SMB Server"
[09:29:39] <Tobbe> I can find the smbsrv kernel module at /kernel/drv/amd64/smbsrv
[09:30:11] <Tobbe> but if I try to modload it I get "can't load module: No such device or address"
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[09:34:10] <Tobbe> it's at /kernel/drv/smbsrv too
[09:34:19] <Tobbe> same message if I try to load that
[09:35:09] <tsoome> why are you trying to load it with modload?:)
[09:35:41] <Tobbe> because it seems it doesn't get loaded for some reason
[09:35:45] <Tobbe> I can't figure out why
[09:36:56] <Tobbe> tsoome: I'm trying to get smb/server working, but I don't have much luck :(
[09:37:55] <tsoome> what guide are you following?
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[09:38:43] <Tobbe> I've looked at them all...
[09:38:51] <tsoome> well, i mean, what have you done so far (besides modload)?
[09:39:40] <Tobbe> I've installed a bunch of packages (everything I find when I search for 'smb' in the opensolaris.org repository)
[09:40:09] <Tobbe> and I've run svcadm enable -r smb/server
[09:41:27] <Tobbe> and I've done # svccfg import /var/svc/manifest/network/smb/server.xml
[09:41:33] <tsoome> what will smbadm list show?
[09:42:05] <Tobbe> Workgroup: WORKGROUP
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[09:43:55] <Rjelari> what about qemu?
[09:44:35] <tsoome> well i used steps described in http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-2429/smbservertasks?a=view to set up it
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[09:46:25] <Tobbe> Rjelari: what about qemu?
[09:47:18] <Rjelari> Sorry Tobbe, typed mistakenly i was about to type in some other channel! ;).
[09:47:53] <Tobbe> :)
[09:50:04] <Tobbe> tsoome: I think I've done what they say I should do in that guide (I'm not using it in domain mode)
[09:54:04] <Tobbe> basically it should just be two commands, svcadm enable ... and zfs set sharesmb=on ...
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[09:55:02] <Tobbe> When I try the zfs command I get "SMB: Unable to enable service"
[09:56:33] <ju2wheels> hello everyone, i just installed openSolaris 2008.05 on virtualbox, and my install went fine, but when i rebooted im stuck at the boot screen. its asking for a maintenance password or to press controld-d but neither seem to work.
[09:57:02] <ju2wheels> its like its not accepting input, i tried control-d and my root user pass but got nothing.
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[10:51:53] <Tobbe> I solved my smb problem :) I had to do # add_drv smbsrv
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[11:15:23] <noisewaterphd> tobbe:great i'm glad you dound it
[11:15:39] <noisewaterphd> so you already had it?
[11:15:55] <noisewaterphd> and that is a command that adds that driver?
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[11:30:53] <TT2> hello
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[12:08:39] <Tobbe> noisewaterphd: exactly :)
[12:08:54] <wereHamster> is suspend-to-ram/disk supposed to work in opensolaris?
[12:09:14] <xRaich[o]2x> wereHamster: it works on some laptops yes
[12:09:20] <wereHamster> and what about support for dockingstations?
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[12:25:16] <purserj> anyone about?
[12:25:34] <evocallaghan> Yes
[12:25:37] <codestr0m> purserj: maybe
[12:26:09] <purserj> cool, I've got OS200805 installed on a VMWare server setup
[12:26:26] <purserj> networking seems to be working okay, with the exception of dns resolution
[12:26:42] <codestr0m> purserj: what's in your /etc/resolv.conf ?
[12:26:47] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: good morning
[12:26:58] <purserj> codestr0m: the gateway nameserver
[12:26:59] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:evening.
[12:27:05] <purserj> nameserver 192.168.0.11
[12:27:14] <codestr0m> purserj: can you ping external ip?
[12:27:18] <purserj> codestr0m: yup
[12:27:39] <codestr0m> purserj: ok. . xRaich[o]2x ping.. what's the fix for this.. I know you know
[12:27:58] <codestr0m> purserj: and if you dig @192.168.0.11 foo.com it resolves?
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[12:28:07] <xRaich[o]2x> cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
[12:28:08] <purserj> codestr0m: yup
[12:28:21] <codestr0m> why do I always forget that. thanks
[12:28:28] <xRaich[o]2x> and then restart nscd /etc/rc.d/nscd restart ;)
[12:28:35] <xRaich[o]2x> erm sorry start and stop
[12:28:41] <purserj> xRaich[o]2x: I'll give that a try thanks :)
[12:28:52] <xRaich[o]2x> btw is there a way to do that with svcadm?
[12:28:59] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: isn't that under svc?
[12:29:12] <_Auralis> svcadm restart nameserver-cache  or so
[12:29:18] <xRaich[o]2x> aaaaaaaah ok :)
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[12:29:43] <evocallaghan> Hmm FOSSxstuff fails _again_
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[12:36:33] <purserj> thanks guys, did the trick
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[13:37:31] <TT2> hi have in the moment an 32bit cpu in my pc but i want to upgrade to a 64bit cpu. Have I to reinstall os?
[13:38:18] <evocallaghan> TT2:I don't think you can do that without upgrading the MB and all sorts.
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[13:41:01] <TT2> I do think and I know I can, its from T2400 to T7400 on an i945 board
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[13:46:58] <quasi> TT2: solaris is installed supporting both 32 and 64 bit since forever or thereabouts
[13:47:08] <quasi> TT2: so no need to reinstall
[13:47:53] <TT2> cool
[13:47:55] <TT2> thx
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[13:53:26] <SunTzuTech> yeah, but a new MB may have a incompatible device tree..  just something to watch out for...
[13:54:05] <quasi> touch /reconfigure
[13:57:17] <sponix> quasi:  Hey, just started os2008.11rc2 download, have you touched that ?
[13:57:38] <sponix> the rc1 was really shaping up compared to 2008.05 imho
[13:58:25] <quasi> sponix: nope, 2008.* I'm not touching
[13:59:46] <sponix> quasi:  Because of the *cough* gnu/Linux look and feel, or because you don't trust the stability ?
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[14:05:40] <quasi> sponix: if I wanted that ubuntu look, then why not just run ubuntu?
[14:06:01] <sponix> No one is seeding the Torrent for os2008.11rc2 that is for sure... If my http download finishes before the torrent gets seeds, I'm gonna swap in the completed file to the torrent dir and see if it will let me seed to others from there
[14:06:20] <sponix> quasi:  or nexenta for that matter, riiight ;)
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[14:06:56] <sponix> I recommended xfce4 a couple thousand times
[14:07:08] <quasi> sponix: from what I hear, nexenta isn't quite as bad as indiana
[14:08:00] <Gekz> yeah
[14:08:00] <Gekz> Indiana is balls.
[14:08:02] <sponix> quasi:  well nexenta project at least went ubuntu all the way and is stealing as much of the package repos as possible to match
[14:08:52] <quasi> sponix: ehrm, whatever - I'll just stick to solaris
[14:10:18] <sponix> quasi:  do you feel the current Indiana style will ever merge with Solaris, or do you think it will always be something along the lines of Solaris, SXCE, and Indiana ?
[14:10:49] <sponix> Personally, I like having all 3, and hope it remains
[14:11:26] <quasi> sponix: I'm hoping indiana will die quietly
[14:13:49] <sponix> quasi:  I respect that, but honestly don't see that as an option, to much has been put into it. At a min, I see it listed as an alternative project. But of course I'm not calling any of the shots
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[14:15:32] <xRaich[o]2x> it's tres chic to hate indiana ;)
[14:15:34] <sponix> headlines all over about 5-6K in layoffs at Sun, wasn't happy to see that
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[14:19:20] <codestr0m> yeah. even more important to build a community before the giant corporation changes gears :P
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[14:19:54] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: I'm feeling a bit lazy.. any difference between solaris and solaris2 partition ids. I'm making that install from scratch guide
[14:20:55] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: testing rc2 right now. hopefully the bug is gone
[14:21:08] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: your patch or the 103 bits?
[14:21:37] <xRaich[o]2x> dunno something "feels" different
[14:21:51] <codestr0m> use the force
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[14:22:01] <xRaich[o]2x> might be wishful thinking
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[14:22:11] <codestr0m> nothing like a bit of optimism :)
[14:22:30] <xRaich[o]2x> that bug pissed me off for too long ;)
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[14:23:43] <codestr0m> I'm surprised you didn't fix it
[14:24:08] <xRaich[o]2x> maybe i still get the chance ;)
[14:24:20] <codestr0m> that's the spirit
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[14:25:10] <xRaich[o]2x> but i hope it's gone.
[14:27:31] <xRaich[o]2x> but you really learn to appreciate a good kernel debugger
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[14:30:22] <xRaich[o]2x> hmm data is still flowing here. no hangs by now
[14:30:29] <xRaich[o]2x> looks good
[14:31:39] <sponix> So out of roughly 275 people in here I'm the only one that thinks they would like to see Indiana continue ?
[14:31:56] <yksinaisyyteni> sponix: most of the people in here at not actually present
[14:32:01] <xRaich[o]2x> no i like it a lot
[14:32:46] <sponix> yksinaisyyteni:  yeah, norm is what 5-10% active ...
[14:32:49] <Axz> whats going on? why continue?
[14:33:08] <sponix> xRaich[o]2x:  well, good to hear at least one other person feels it is worth the efforts
[14:33:21] <xRaich[o]2x> sponix: there are more ;)
[14:33:42] <sponix> I'm actually pumped about rc2, and looking forward to .11
[14:33:47] <xRaich[o]2x> most of them are just not bitching that sxce should die, the other way round is more common :P
[14:34:29] <codestr0m> I'd like to see it continue in a slightly different direction
[14:35:02] <sponix> xRaich[o]2x:  true, Indiana is the new and different, SXCE death would be pulling the rug out from under Solaris 10 imho, so that isn't even an option ;)
[14:35:44] <xRaich[o]2x> i don't even know why people want another project to die. indiana put solaris back into the spotlight again. that should be a good thing
[14:35:54] <sponix> codestr0m:  what would you like to see done ? Honestly, I like the Task oriented packaging that was put in Belenix 0.7.2, and like the feel of it
[14:36:20] <codestr0m> sponix: I'm working with Moinak specifically to achieve some rather lofty packaging changes..
[14:36:48] <sponix> codestr0m:  to be able to pkg-get install multimedia, and have it retrieve a full setup of media apps and so forth -- Now that is my type of lazy, the "meta packages"
[14:37:01] <xRaich[o]2x> ok just copied 20 gigs of data... no hang yet
[14:37:13] <xRaich[o]2x> got to reboot the box an try again
[14:37:21] <sponix> xRaich[o]2x:  do you have rc2 downloaded already ?
[14:37:25] <codestr0m> sponix: that's what I refer to as "sets" or sometimes you can create meta packages for common groups like that
[14:37:50] <xRaich[o]2x> sponix: yet testing the livecd right now
[14:37:52] * _Auralis just finished the image-update to rc2
[14:37:57] <xRaich[o]2x> i'm thing to hang a driver
[14:38:01] <xRaich[o]2x> trying
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[14:38:19] <sponix> codestr0m:  yeah, I like having them as an option, so yo can do a "get xfce-desktop" or "get amp-server" and so forth
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[14:39:06] <codestr0m> we'll know if _Auralis update went well if he comes back
[14:39:08] <codestr0m> if not.. ;)
[14:39:38] <sponix> I'd like to see Indiana with default xfce4 desktop, and tons of very simple java based front end tools, for everything from package management to samba config
[14:40:15] <codestr0m> sponix: what you describe almost sounds similar to something they did in the past :P
[14:40:22] <sponix> imho, using java to write good clean admin tools and truly binding the Java logo to Indiana would be nice
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[14:40:39] <sponix> codestr0m:  NO, SMC was a prime example of what things should NOT be !
[14:40:52] <sponix> it was a slow, resource hogging, pile of rubbish
[14:41:15] <codestr0m> I'd rather swap java for python in this case
[14:41:23] <codestr0m> I think the QT and gtk bindings are much better
[14:41:26] <codestr0m> , but I could be wrong
[14:41:44] * codestr0m back to writing his install guide
[14:42:00] <sponix> codestr0m:  just saying for Name recognition alone, Java would be nice ;)
[14:42:13] <Gnu_Raiz> does anyone know when intel mch drivers will be supported?
[14:42:15] <sponix> codestr0m:  not a "Java Desktop" based on gtk/gnome ;)
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[14:42:53] <Gnu_Raiz> I have a p35 motherboard with a xeon on it, and device driver tells me I need the mch intel driver.
[14:42:54] <sponix> xRaich[o]2x:  if you have a box up with the rc2 iso on it, can you grab the torrent file and seed it, there are _NO_ seeds currently
[14:43:11] <sponix> my download is at 65%
[14:43:15] <Gnu_Raiz> I have filed a bug report.
[14:43:17] <xRaich[o]2x> sponix: sure thing
[14:43:55] <xRaich[o]2x> sponix: could you give me the link to the torrent file?
[14:44:25] <sponix> yep, just one sec
[14:45:57] <sponix> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2008-November/013882.html             ...................              http://dlc.sun.com/torrents/info/osol-0811-rc2.iso.torrent
[14:46:34] <Gnu_Raiz> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3385
[14:46:40] <sponix> funny how Opensolaris.com/.org and genunix.org have no links to the torrent... found it in the release notes. No wonder the torrent has no seeds, riiight ?
[14:46:45] <Gnu_Raiz> sorry it was the mei driver.
[14:47:48] <Auralis> what the heck, torrent unautorized?
[14:48:01] <Gnu_Raiz> your special.
[14:48:25] <hrist> heh
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[14:50:45] <xRaich[o]2x> sponix: seeding
[14:51:14] <hrist> oh I forgot, can't use torrent here :/
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[14:52:19] <sponix> xRaich[o]2x:  hmm, I see now, it is saying that their torrent tracker is broken
[14:53:54] <sponix> maybe they should post it to thepiratebay.org and mininova.org *Grin*
[14:56:59] <wereHamster> sponix: if that isn't forbidden by the license, why not do it?
[14:58:00] <hrist> Auralis: I have the same problem
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[14:58:10] <sponix> not sure exactly what the CDDL covers, I know genunix.org is a primary download site, but not sure about torrents
[14:58:16] <bakarat> when will 2008.11 be released?
[14:58:32] <sponix> bakarat:  rc2 just came out today
[14:59:00] <bakarat> sponix: how many rc's are intended before actual release? :>
[14:59:37] <sponix> no idea
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[15:00:17] <bakarat> does zfs have encryption yet?
[15:00:32] <xRaich[o]2x> nope target build is 105
[15:00:33] <codestr0m> bakarat: assuming no slippage it'll be around xmas
[15:00:46] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: technically you could pull the code review patches and apply them
[15:00:56] <codestr0m> most of that was done a while ago iirc
[15:01:01] <bakarat> codestr0m: ah k
[15:01:45] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: i don't want to spread any happiness but... until now i couldn't reproduce the bug
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[15:03:17] <xRaich[o]2x> copying file 40 of approc 80 now
[15:03:18] <gide0n> hi
[15:03:33] <xRaich[o]2x> hi gide0n
[15:05:08] <hrist> xRaich[o]2x: it'll so get you with file 79
[15:05:17] <bakarat> xRaich[o]2x: :p
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[15:05:46] <xRaich[o]2x> hrist: nope file 48 fucked up -_-
[15:06:01] <hrist> yay
[15:06:11] <xRaich[o]2x> oh boy...
[15:06:17] * xRaich[o]2x gets back to the debugger
[15:06:27] <bakarat> xRaich[o]2x: the problem i'm still indecisive between the raid and zfs is because i can stil luse linux as media center, opensolaris...not so much
[15:07:46] <Auralis> bakarat: depends on your needs of the media center, mplayer. vlc, xine etc are working fine, as does totem, xmms, rhythembox, songbird, quad libet etc
[15:08:07] <Auralis> however tv capture is an entirely different matter
[15:11:28] <bakarat> Auralis: tv capture is not necessary :>
[15:11:46] <bakarat> Auralis: just need to play any and all media files, and if at all possible, install a nice media center
[15:12:12] <xRaich[o]2x> bakarat: why do you think i'm biased?
[15:12:21] <bakarat> xRaich[o]2x: hehe na, just cause you are here, was a joke :p
[15:12:26] <gide0n> one question... can i use acl into zettabyte file system?
[15:12:37] <Auralis> well, the gstreamer plugins compile and work, mplayer plays basicaly every format under the sun
[15:12:51] <xRaich[o]2x> bakarat: i've been accused of being a sun employee in the ubuntu channel because i prefer solaris ^^
[15:12:59] <bakarat> xRaich[o]2x: hehe :>
[15:13:30] <h3sp4wn> xine is in SFE or the kde4 trunk specs
[15:14:17] <bakarat> how easy is it to set up btw? opensolaris + zfs (and can zfs contain the /boot folder?)
[15:14:37] <Auralis> zfs root is present and working yes and its easy to setup
[15:14:38] <h3sp4wn> grub can be on the zfs
[15:14:39] <xRaich[o]2x> bakarat: even a chimp could handle zfs
[15:15:14] <bakarat> o btw, opensolaris comes in a 64 bit flavor ye? :>
[15:15:17] <bakarat> xRaich[o]2x: sweet :p
[15:15:24] <Auralis> yes, for like a decade now
[15:15:27] <turtle> yet? when didn't it?
[15:15:57] <bakarat> turtle: i didn't know just asking :>
[15:16:02] <xRaich[o]2x> bakarat: seamless 64-bit you don't need to bother. solaris takes care of 64 bitness if the cpu can handle it ;)
[15:16:12] <bakarat> xRaich[o]2x: sweet :p
[15:17:12] <bakarat> sooo if my setup is: base OS for media/VMs and ssh -X loading of programs with a need for redundancy <- opensolaris + zfs is a solution? :p
[15:17:41] <bakarat> (virtualbox for VMs btw)
[15:18:02] <Auralis> virtualbox works fine here for what i do with it
[15:18:47] <h3sp4wn> There is a web interface and smf service (not used it though) for virtualbox
[15:18:57] <Auralis> why not simply give it a try?
[15:19:32] <bakarat> Auralis: ye true, but i'm gonna wait till 2008.11 is out i think, shouldn't be more then a few days right? :p
[15:19:46] <xRaich[o]2x> rc2 just came out
[15:19:51] <bakarat> btw, how is driver-support in opensolaris? any big issues i should be aware of?
[15:19:55] <Auralis> just use a not to old nvidia gfx card, Os comes with the binary nvidia drivers already included
[15:20:17] <xRaich[o]2x> driver support seems to be better than freebsd by now
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[15:20:36] <bakarat> ah :>
[15:20:49] <Auralis> for sound, check if ya card is supported by Opensound for maximal options for the audio setup, the sandard solaris sound drivers are mor elimited in what they can do
[15:21:05] <bakarat> what sort of package system does opensolaris use?
[15:21:13] <Auralis> ips, its own
[15:21:16] <bakarat> is it comparable to the linux ones? (more specifically: debian) :p
[15:21:19] <h3sp4wn> xRaich[o]2x: really ? all my hardware is supported by freebsd (and there is quite a bit) not supported by solaris
[15:21:27] <Auralis> its very similiar to debians deb
[15:21:40] <xRaich[o]2x> h3sp4wn: over here it's the other way round ^^
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[15:23:44] <Auralis> on my biostar tp43d2-a7 mainboard, only the onboar is not working, the rest is
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[15:25:10] <Auralis> err onboard sound
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[15:25:24] <h3sp4wn> Whatever it is that uses high irq's for the combo - (modem wifi bluetooth) centrino thing (every other OS seems to) that would be nice
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[15:29:50] <xRaich[o]2x> bakarat: btw did you expect an unbiased answer in #ubuntu? :P
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[15:30:14] <bakarat> xRaich[o]2x: hehe, i guess that is asking a tad too much :D
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[15:40:49] <ggarlic> hello,i have difficulty in downloading package from IPS(too slow),is there any method that i can download the packages manually
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[15:46:24] <codestr0m> ggarlic: yeah. that's on our wish list :P
[15:49:34] <ggarlic> codestr0m: you know in china,it's very slow to link to the opensolaris site.so pity
[15:49:50] <codestr0m> ggarlic: I was in china this summer
[15:49:53] <codestr0m> 3 months
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[15:51:27] <codestr0m> ggarlic: are you a developer if you don't mind me asking?
[15:52:40] <ggarlic> well,i'm a student in university
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[15:52:58] <codestr0m> yeah. well needless to say I completely understand
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[15:54:01] <dfgfdsssd> www.EXCELLENT-PORN.COM   ***FREE PORN MOVIES***
[15:54:36] <Gekz> ofl.
[15:54:39] <Gekz> ofl
[15:54:42] <Gekz> rofl.
[15:54:43] <vmlemon_> Spam!
[15:54:47] <Gekz> r key died.
[15:54:51] <Gekz> asyd: !!!
[15:54:51] <Gekz> !!!
[15:54:52] <Gekz> !!
[15:55:17] <codestr0m> Gekz: maybe they can make a few extra ops in the eu timezone or who are around on the weekends
[15:55:22] <xRaich[o]2x> Porn? in the internet? no way!
[15:55:30] <Gekz> codestr0m: me perhaps.
[15:55:42] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: uuuuuuuh dude found something
[15:56:07] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: tell me about it in the quiet channel
[15:56:12] <xRaich[o]2x> found a sata package that isnt delivered
[15:56:17] <dfgfdsssd> www.EXCELLENT-PORN.COM   ***FREE PORN MOVIES***
[15:56:20] <Gekz> rtor: wtf.
[15:56:39] <Gekz> 01:53 [freenode] -rtor(n=rtor at radio dot cheezy.com)- key not found
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[15:57:11] <vmlemon_> dfgfdsssd: Who are you, and why are you spamming an OpenSolaris channel?
[15:57:20] <xRaich[o]2x> alanc: e^ipi asyd jamesd alanc_away could someone please kickban dfgfdsssd
[15:57:35] <vmlemon_> Probably a bot
[15:57:39] <xRaich[o]2x> sure
[15:57:42] <dfgfdsssd> shut up
[15:57:51] <vmlemon_> Haha
[15:57:53] <Gekz> rofl.
[15:58:01] <xRaich[o]2x> XD
[15:58:07] <Gekz> dfgfdsssd: do you suffer from premature ejaculation?
[15:58:09] <dfgfdsssd> if you like...you can look there
[15:58:12] <Gekz> can't get him up?
[15:58:13] <dfgfdsssd> if not...just close it
[15:58:16] <dfgfdsssd> is your choice
[15:58:19] <codestr0m> Gekz: stop responding
[15:58:20] <dfgfdsssd> :P
[15:58:27] <dfgfdsssd> ok...i will stop
[15:58:55] <vmlemon_> Be sure to update your SunSolve subscription on those servers to keep them excellent, dfgfdsssd ;)
[15:59:52] <dfgfdsssd> it is not my website
[16:00:06] <dfgfdsssd> they pay me if i bring clicks
[16:00:19] <Gekz> lol.
[16:00:25] <Gekz> how do they know if you bring clicks
[16:00:28] <Gekz> if you have no referer id
[16:00:36] <vmlemon_> Yay, honesty at work
[16:00:47] * vmlemon_ throws him a click
[16:00:50] <Gekz> I do believe sir you are being scammed.
[16:00:52] <vmlemon_> (But doesn't click)
[16:02:52] <dfgfdsssd> lol
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[16:03:19] <Gekz> I am amused.
[16:03:26] <Gekz> Je m'amuser
[16:03:31] <Gekz> Je m'amuse even.
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[16:33:24] <kimc> does the porn server use zfs ?
[16:33:57] <kimc> err maybe they'd like to upgrade to a new Sun 7000 series ?
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[16:46:38] <xRaich[o]2x> kimc: the next time someone spams try to sell him sun gear ;)
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[16:49:21] <louisjbotterill> hi
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[17:03:41] <gide0n> hi, can i install drivers ati in opensolaris? any alternative?
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[17:05:43] <jamesd> gide0n, the basic ati (8mb version found on most servers) is supported.. the high end stuff isn't supported  have they released there api specs yet?  maybe later...
[17:06:25] <Auralis> isn't readonhd drivers included?
[17:06:33] <gide0n> jamesd, i am new user of opensolaris, where can i find these basic ati drivers?
[17:07:31] <jamesd> they are built-in it should just work...
[17:08:18] <CosmicDJ> "X.org"
[17:08:34] <yksinaisyyteni> a lot more than just 8MB onboard ATi is supported
[17:08:41] <yksinaisyyteni> but many of the newer cards aren't
[17:08:55] <gide0n> jamesd, i am new user of opensolaris, where can i find these basic ati drivers?
[17:09:55] <gide0n> my ati is 2400 HD, is supported?
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[17:10:22] <gide0n> thanks CosmicDJ
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[17:10:30] <jamesd> sun.com/bigadmin/hcl   is a list of supported hardware
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[17:10:57] <gide0n> thanks jamesd
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[17:12:06] <CosmicDJ> and btw, OpenSolaris 2008.05 (or the recent RC's) are livecd's, just boot them and look if it works
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[17:13:41] <gide0n> ok CosmicDJ but I have installed opensolaris 2008.05 into my laptop, and i can't use compiz :( it's a clear motive i think so...
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[17:31:41] <xRaich[o]2x> is it possible to tell kmdb that when it hits a watchpoint it should give me the backtrace of the thread that is changing the watched address?
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[18:37:38] <linuxnettwerg> motd
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[18:50:28] <CosmicDJ> linuxnettwerg: "If Linux is faster, its a bug"
[18:51:07] <jbit> CosmicDJ: i need to steal that expression
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[18:58:41] * nachox wonders how serious that is
[18:59:02] <nachox> cant be faster for every workload
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[19:03:44] <jbit> well not for linux, but for something else ;P
[19:08:01] <nachox> ?
[19:08:13] <nachox> oh, nm
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[19:57:07] <snowleopardcat> hi
[19:57:23] <snowleopardcat> what happened to sxde?
[19:58:39] <pjjw> so, in the middle of a replace operation, one of my drives came loose, and after a reboot, zfs resilvered back onto the drive i intended to replace. i've rebooted, and now am in this situation: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1264479
[19:58:47] <pjjw> any idea how i get rid of the replacing vdev?
[19:59:14] <CosmicDJ> snowleopardcat: dead
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[20:00:11] <snowleopardcat> why?  I have solaris 10 u5 on my netras and I wanted to run sxde in virtual box on my mac
[20:00:57] <CosmicDJ> snowleopardcat: IIRC because of opensolaris (2008.05+)
[20:01:03] <snowleopardcat> I don't like the offical opensolaris , it's too gnuy
[20:01:20] <CosmicDJ> snowleopardcat: well, then use SXCE :)
[20:01:40] <snowleopardcat> but i don't want to update every two weeks :-(
[20:01:59] <CosmicDJ> snowleopardcat: you don't have to
[20:02:42] <snowleopardcat> is there an opensolaris that has everything layed out like solaris, only newer, eg. ksh93 etc..
[20:03:54] <snowleopardcat> probably not
[20:04:35] <CosmicDJ> why are you saying you have to update sxce every 2 weeks? there are machines out there still runing solaris 8...
[20:04:45] <snowleopardcat> no patches?
[20:05:03] <snowleopardcat> how do you update your system with sxce?
[20:05:06] <CosmicDJ> if it's running inside vbox, who should hack it? ;)
[20:05:36] <snowleopardcat> i may want to do a dual boot as well
[20:05:43] <xRaich[o]2x> snowleopardcat: just change the PATH and the default shell and you have solaris userland and ksh93
[20:05:45] <CosmicDJ> snowleopardcat: the same way you'd update solaris9, 10
[20:06:05] <snowleopardcat> is the solaris userland included on opensolaris?
[20:06:13] <xRaich[o]2x> yep
[20:06:16] <nachox> yes
[20:06:18] <snowleopardcat> i thought everything was replaced with gnu!
[20:06:27] <snowleopardcat> i feel much better now
[20:06:27] <xRaich[o]2x> just remove the gnu stuff from the PATH
[20:06:42] <nachox> you just need to remove the gnu crap from the PATH
[20:07:09] <snowleopardcat> thank you!
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[20:07:23] * snowleopardcat downloads the beta version of opensolaris
[20:07:46] <xRaich[o]2x> snowleopardcat: no problem i had the same feelings when i saw that ls could not handle nfsv4 acls :P
[20:09:05] <snowleopardcat> can you get patches for opensolaris?
[20:09:49] <snowleopardcat> like update manager/patchadd in solaris 10?
[20:11:08] <nachox> you dont
[20:12:01] <nachox> though that will be fixed in the next opensolaris release
[20:12:26] <snowleopardcat> so you can't buy support for opensolaris?
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[20:12:35] <snowleopardcat> who'd run it in production then?
[20:12:48] * snowleopardcat thinks a linux nut would...
[20:13:04] <nachox> snowleopardcat, you can buy support for opensolaris
[20:13:16] <snowleopardcat> and get patches?
[20:13:23] <snowleopardcat> like patchadd
[20:13:39] <nachox> the next opensolaris will have those
[20:13:53] <snowleopardcat> you mean the one that's in beta right now?
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[20:14:22] <nachox> yes
[20:14:56] <snowleopardcat> why run opensolaris rather than solaris 10?
[20:15:15] <snowleopardcat> other than the desktop looks cooler?
[20:15:20] <CosmicDJ> why run fedora instead of RHEL?
[20:15:37] <snowleopardcat> ah
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[20:15:58] <snowleopardcat> opensolaris for the desktop and solaris stays on my netras
[20:15:59] <nachox> if you need long term enterprise support, you run solaris 10, otherwise run opensolaris
[20:16:27] <snowleopardcat> although i'm not an "enterprise"
[20:16:46] <CosmicDJ> opensolaris doesn't run on sparcs, yet
[20:16:50] <nachox> enterprise grade support :P
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[20:24:24] <snowleopardcat> it doesn't?
[20:24:27] <snowleopardcat> that's stupid
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[20:24:44] <snowleopardcat> an os that doesn't even run on your own servers
[20:24:58] <CosmicDJ> "opensolaris for the desktop"
[20:25:03] <CosmicDJ> you just said that
[20:25:19] <snowleopardcat> netras are not "enterprise"
[20:26:23] <snowleopardcat> why don't they make opensolaris run on sparc?
[20:26:50] <CosmicDJ> they're working on it; IIRC sun4v support is planned
[20:26:57] <nachox> it will run on sparc the first release of next year
[20:27:18] <CosmicDJ> mh right, sun4v sparc
[20:27:28] <snowleopardcat> bill gates would've made sure his os ran on his own hardware
[20:27:53] <snowleopardcat> i have sparc IIi :-(
[20:28:37] <nachox> try running windows vista in a pentium box
[20:28:48] <CosmicDJ> snowleopardcat: I hate to repeat, but "opensolaris for the desktop"; there are no more sparc workstations anymore; so I makes sense to release it for x86 first
[20:29:05] <snowleopardcat> solaris 10 runs nicely on my netras
[20:29:12] <snowleopardcat> minus all the java and desktop stuff
[20:29:46] <snowleopardcat> 400 Mhz 1 GB of ram
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[20:30:15] <vmlemon_> Not sure if it counts, but in the same way, HP-UX doesn't run on HP's consumer level stuff, since they don't sell consumer-level Itanium or PA-RISC kit
[20:30:40] <snowleopardcat> vmlemon: what happend to write once, run anywhere?
[20:31:05] <CosmicDJ> this phrase never applied to operating systems
[20:31:21] <vmlemon_> Hmm, WORA/WODA doesn't work for operating systems
[20:31:50] <nachox> well yeah, that's what happens with innovation, things tend to be useful for a little while, ultrasparc IIi are more than 11 years old
[20:31:55] <snowleopardcat> i think it did.  you'd write your code on a sparc workstation and deploy it on the big iron
[20:32:33] <nachox> that is still true, it just doesnt work the other way round
[20:32:36] <snowleopardcat> so legacy support is out the window? That's the linux mindset!  ABI changes etct
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[20:33:15] <e^ipi> buy a sunray or 20, buy a T1000
[20:33:19] <e^ipi> there's some workstations
[20:33:33] <nachox> legacy support is still there, you can run solaris 2.6 binaries in SXCE
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[20:34:09] <snowleopardcat> opensolaris runs on a T1000?
[20:34:21] <nachox> what you cant expect is to be able to run solaris 10 binaries in solaris 8
[20:34:25] <e^ipi> SXCE does
[20:34:29] <nachox> no, not yet
[20:34:37] <e^ipi> and 2009.04 reportedly will
[20:35:00] <rewolf-> t1000 is a workstation ?
[20:35:07] <snowleopardcat> so a company releases an OS that runs on it's competitor's hardware and not on it's own?
[20:35:22] <snowleopardcat> is sun trying to go out of business?
[20:36:00] <yksinaisyyteni> yeah, the 2 paying customers using 2008.05 will be so disappointed
[20:36:08] <snowleopardcat> this company is definately run by engineers rather than MBAs
[20:36:14] <CosmicDJ> yksinaisyyteni: hehe
[20:36:23] <Auralis> opensolaris is not a released product, its a preview, a alpha version
[20:36:48] <snowleopardcat> maybe they only have 2 paying customers because it doesn't run on their own hardware
[20:37:05] <Auralis> opensolaris does runs on suns own x86 machines just fine
[20:37:07] <yksinaisyyteni> yes, or maybe because it's a pre-release version of the OS that's completely unsuited for production use...
[20:37:22] <nachox> snowleopardcat, the competitors hardware happens to be hardware sun sells too, you know that right?
[20:37:36] <snowleopardcat> but opensolaris is already released!
[20:37:55] <e^ipi> there will be a LTS/supported release, and it will work on sun's current hardware
[20:38:34] <snowleopardcat> ah , i see it's to thwart ebay buyers and people who've been gifted old sun servers by their employeers
[20:38:53] <nachox> yes, i'm sure a customer would buy a sparc box like a Tx000 which costs premium because it is expected to last a lot to run an os with a 6 month release cycle
[20:38:59] <e^ipi> snowleopardcat, sxce won't run on an ultra1 either
[20:39:06] <e^ipi> or any sparcstation
[20:39:10] <e^ipi> sometimes old kit gets old
[20:39:24] <snowleopardcat> i got my netras when my company was upgrading their servers
[20:39:42] <CosmicDJ> snowleopardcat: you can always install net/free/openbsd on them..
[20:39:55] <snowleopardcat> I used to solaris
[20:39:58] <Auralis> or just run regular solaris, or solaris express
[20:40:00] <yksinaisyyteni> or just use SXCE
[20:40:05] <snowleopardcat> i don't want to relearn all the commands
[20:40:37] <snowleopardcat> it seems that every unix OS has different command line switches to the standard unix tools
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[20:40:58] <e^ipi> yeah, it's almost as if they're different OS's
[20:41:00] <snowleopardcat> the userland is not consistent at all
[20:41:06] <CosmicDJ> snowleopardcat: I guess thats why they made "man" ;)
[20:41:17] <sbahra> rewolf-, no
[20:41:24] <sbahra> rewolf-, it is a "server" offering
[20:41:28] <sbahra> rewolf-, just google it
[20:41:34] <snowleopardcat> i can't remember all the variations
[20:41:43] <nachox> e^ipi, hehe, and i thought sarcasm didnt work through irc :)
[20:41:46] <e^ipi> there are standards... if you use the standards compliant tools you only need to learn one set. deviations are wrong.
[20:41:59] <snowleopardcat> i have os x, and the command line had me scratching my head for a while
[20:42:18] <e^ipi> snowleopardcat: it's the SUS command line
[20:42:25] <snowleopardcat> i have zfs and dtrace on leopard
[20:42:41] <rewolf-> sbahra: sorry, it was a rhetorical question ;)
[20:42:42] <snowleopardcat> so in a way, Leopard is opensolaris done right
[20:42:43] <CosmicDJ> and I have them on freebsd..
[20:42:45] <e^ipi> same as the solaris one when your path is /usr/xpg6/bin:/usr/xpg4/bin:/usr/bin:$PATH
[20:43:11] <xRaich[o]2x> CosmicDJ: dtrace works on freebsd? i mean without panics?
[20:43:44] <CosmicDJ> xRaich[o]2x: no idea, haven't upgraded yet :(
[20:43:48] <xRaich[o]2x> dtrace on mac is pretty limited compared to the opensolaris implementation.
[20:43:51] <nachox> there is a project to make it work there, but i dont think it's available in any official release
[20:44:12] <xRaich[o]2x> CosmicDJ: tested it once. couldn't even run a trivial script
[20:44:25] <snowleopardcat> how is dtrace limited on mac?  zfs is limited, but one can go to macosforge and get a better zfs
[20:44:51] <snowleopardcat> i just had to rewrite my dtrace probes in postgresql, that's all
[20:45:14] <snowleopardcat> because os x uses the newer way of defining them, instead of the macro..
[20:46:33] <dustman_> hm, if opensolaris/solaris is the place where dtrace developing happens, how mac os x's dtrace can use 'newer way'?
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[20:47:05] <e^ipi> dustman_: they drop support for the older way
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[20:47:32] <CosmicDJ> it's so simple somestimes, you just don't see it
[20:47:53] <dustman_> oh yeah
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[20:52:10] <snowleopardcat> ok, my opensolaris is almost downloaded.  thanks for your help guys!
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[20:58:47] <CosmicDJ> hm I think we'll see him again, soon..
[20:59:06] <Auralis> prolly
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[21:11:43] <gonzzor> I get "Torrent unauthorised" when I try to download osol-0811-rc2-global.iso
[21:11:51] <gonzzor> Known problem?
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[21:39:21] <Blackknight> is it possible to dd an LVM device to a zvol?
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[21:46:06] <e^ipi> svm... lvm is a linux thing
[21:46:10] <e^ipi> and i dunno
[21:46:16] <RavenSlay3r> Just downloaded 'Synergy', ran the config script and got this:
[21:46:37] <RavenSlay3r> checking for gcc... no
[21:46:38] <RavenSlay3r> checking for cc... cc
[21:46:38] <RavenSlay3r> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[21:46:38] <RavenSlay3r> See `config.log' for more details.
[21:46:46] <RavenSlay3r> what does that mean?
[21:46:54] <RavenSlay3r> better question - how do i fix it
[21:46:59] <e^ipi> it means see config.log for the details
[21:49:20] <RavenSlay3r> !pastebin
[21:49:49] <CosmicDJ> he will slap you when you pastebin the whole config.log ;)
[21:49:50] <zimmermanc> means you need gcc
[21:49:58] <zimmermanc> :D
[21:50:09] <RavenSlay3r> .. i was going to paste bin those 10 lines or so ..
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[21:50:27] <e^ipi> zimmermanc: like a bullet in the head ?
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[21:50:37] <e^ipi> sometimes you just need a little punishment
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[21:51:32] <zimmermanc> i probably should be quiet, the different compilers on my system confuse the heck out of me. i have 3 versions of suncc, 2 gcc's and a cc
[21:51:38] <zimmermanc> compile it with all of them!
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[21:52:13] <tsoome> spooky:D
[21:52:43] <nachox> 2 versions of gcc? why?
[21:53:05] <e^ipi> gcc exists mostly for esoteric platforms that don't ship with a real optimizing c compiler, and software written for those platforms
[21:53:42] <nachox> gcc is a must for solaris in x86 unfortunately since X and xen rely on it
[21:53:58] <nachox> and god knows what else
[21:54:29] * e^ipi blames alanc for the first one
[21:54:31] <codestr0m> nachox: umm. ping alanc about that since he probably knows the status of using sun cc with xorg and friends
[21:54:40] <zimmermanc> linux is an esoteric platform ?
[21:54:50] <RavenSlay3r> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1264546 - why would sun CC not be good enough?
[21:54:58] <RavenSlay3r> really not looking to install gcc this morning
[21:54:59] <e^ipi> RavenSlay3r: it's better than good enough
[21:55:21] <nachox> codestr0m, i already asked him not long ago, he confirmed what i said and also said it is being worked on
[21:55:25] <tsoome>  /usr/ucb/cc is not sun cc
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[21:55:37] <zimmermanc> set CC env variable to /opt/SUNWspro/bin/suncc
[21:55:43] <tsoome> do yourself an favor and remove /usr/ucb from path
[21:55:50] <e^ipi> s/path/system
[21:55:55] <CosmicDJ> RavenSlay3r: ugh you still have /usr/ucb/cc ?
[21:55:56] <tsoome> :)
[21:56:02] <codestr0m> nachox: I'd pull his work in the gate and try to figure out where the hang-ups are
[21:56:42] <nachox> e^ipi, i thought there was an arc case to remove at least that cc from there, am i that confused?
[21:56:44] <RavenSlay3r> it's SXCE b.94 i thought 'CC' was the sun compiler
[21:56:49] <tsoome> and btw, as you can read from messages from cc, /usr/ucb/cc is not compiler at all
[21:56:58] <CosmicDJ> RavenSlay3r: CC is the sun studio C++ compiler
[21:57:02] <e^ipi> nachox: could be
[21:57:21] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: /usr/ucb/cc isn't a compiler at all
[21:57:43] <e^ipi> it's a shell script
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[21:58:05] <nachox> /usr/ucb/cc is a compatibility thing, from those days sunos used a bsd base, it wont compile a thing...
[21:58:17] <e^ipi> it's not compatible with anything
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[21:59:24] <e^ipi> it's there to trick you
[21:59:51] <BasioDeJudas> greetings
[22:00:06] <codestr0m> BasioDeJudas: salutations
[22:00:18] <RavenSlay3r> fun...
[22:00:29] <BasioDeJudas> just found this chat today
[22:00:38] <e^ipi> RavenSlay3r: why do you have ucb in your $path anyways
[22:01:10] <codestr0m> e^ipi: since I know you care about your english.. /anyways/ isn't a word :) </pedent>
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[22:01:42] <YazzY> hi guys
[22:01:43] <nachox> isnt it in the default path?
[22:01:51] <codestr0m> YazzY: hi
[22:01:53] <YazzY> can any of you tell me what kbd -s does?
[22:01:55] <YazzY> codestr0m: hi
[22:02:09] <YazzY> i cant find any place with online man pages for opensolaris
[22:02:13] <e^ipi> YazzY: i'm certain that the man page can
[22:02:15] <YazzY> and solaris 10 does not have that flag
[22:02:27] <codestr0m> e^ipi: can you find a link to the man page
[22:03:15] <YazzY> miniroot's /lib/svc/method/live-fs-root uses kbd -s
[22:03:15] <e^ipi> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-5165/kbd-1?l=en&a=view&q=kbd(1)
[22:03:42] <YazzY> kbd -s [language]
[22:03:43] <YazzY> thanks
[22:03:45] <BasioDeJudas> is this opensolaris for people new with linux or not?
[22:03:56] <YazzY> BasioDeJudas: sure it is
[22:03:57] <e^ipi> BasioDeJudas: it's for people, period.
[22:04:09] <BasioDeJudas> ok
[22:04:18] <codestr0m> BasioDeJudas: feel free to ask anything and if it's not the best place. we'll try to direct you
[22:04:22] <YazzY> BasioDeJudas: if you want a good and stable desktop then it is
[22:04:35] <nachox> people new with linux should just remove the gnu thing from the path to avoid getting used to it :P
[22:04:41] <e^ipi> +1
[22:05:02] <BasioDeJudas> seems like you all support it that is for sure.;)
[22:05:04] <BasioDeJudas> ;)
[22:05:15] <e^ipi> yeah, funny that
[22:05:24] <YazzY> what can this do? : exec </dev/console >/dev/console 2>&1
[22:05:26] <codestr0m> it does urk me that they not only put the gnu stuff in the path, but some of the stuff in the path is broken
[22:05:52] <RavenSlay3r> cool thanks guys, removed that from the path and it passed config!
[22:05:58] <YazzY> then the script runs kbd -s
[22:06:00] <e^ipi> codestr0m: like ls, chmod and friends ?
[22:06:35] <codestr0m> e^ipi: I have it documented and all are removed from my packages
[22:06:41] <BasioDeJudas> nice thank you
[22:07:00] <codestr0m> there's also some binutils stuff which changes the formating like nm that I have removed/repackaged as well
[22:07:18] <codestr0m> at some point I'll figure out why and if it's a gnu or configure difference
[22:07:29] <e^ipi> with respect to the command line stuff... it's being worked on
[22:07:34] <h3sp4wn> codestr0m: What sed do you use ?
[22:07:51] <nachox> YazzY, opens /dev/console as the default input device, it also sets the default output device to be /dev/console sending the default output and the default error to it
[22:08:00] <nachox> YazzY, i think :P
[22:08:06] <codestr0m> e^ipi: which cli stuff exactly and where? internal sun or a gate or?
[22:08:21] <e^ipi> no gate, but decisions are going to be made about things
[22:08:40] <e^ipi> because just doing stuff without evaluating the ramifications is no way to run a technical project
[22:08:41] <codestr0m> h3sp4wn: personally.. I'm not such a pedent about patch, find, sed and couple other tools which may not be posix compliant.. I know find is now posix compliant, but the others not sure
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[22:09:17] <nachox> e^ipi, meaning opensolaris will finally be subject to psarc?
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[22:09:25] <e^ipi> nfi
[22:09:26] <YazzY> nachox: sounds logical
[22:09:41] <YazzY> nachox: then it executes kbd -s
[22:10:04] <YazzY> which i suspect lists languages to chose from
[22:10:36] <nachox> run kbd -s yourself to know what it does
[22:10:52] <YazzY> any of you guys know where to get a XEN domU of opensolaris?
[22:11:07] <YazzY> nachox: i dont have access to solaris box now
[22:11:19] <e^ipi> no but if you'd like to publish one i'm sure it'd be appreciated by some
[22:11:39] <sbahra> It's YazzY
[22:11:50] <YazzY> heh, sbahra
[22:12:03] <YazzY> you're an OS junky too
[22:12:13] <sbahra> Yes.
[22:12:16] <YazzY> :)
[22:12:23] <sbahra> Except, my box is bigger than yours.
[22:12:28] <sbahra> :-P
[22:12:30] <YazzY> sbahra: i just (re)discovered opensolaris and I like it a lot
[22:12:34] <sbahra> The one running Solaris, that is.
[22:12:38] <sbahra> YazzY, it is nice.
[22:12:41] <h3sp4wn> codestr0m: I don't like solaris /usr/bin/sed (either the gnu one or the posix one is ok)
[22:12:44] <codestr0m> YazzY: I'll probably document how to do that in the near future. if you're around here still I'll pm you the link
[22:12:52] <YazzY> sbahra: yah, i am creating my own liveCD now
[22:13:01] <sbahra> YazzY, one of the best (if not the best) for programming on.
[22:13:02] <codestr0m> h3sp4wn: umm. some of those tools are *very* old
[22:13:12] <sbahra> YazzY, as a general desktop, I think it lacks
[22:13:30] <sbahra> YazzY, games, movies, rampant hackery, etc...
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[22:13:39] <YazzY> sbahra: it does? it sure worked better on my laptop than ubuntu did
[22:13:40] <e^ipi> h3sp4wn: thing is that solaris adheres to multiple competing standards
[22:13:50] <Auralis> movies work fine if you are willing to grab unsupported codecs or players
[22:13:56] <e^ipi> some things in svid preclude some things in sus
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[22:14:34] <e^ipi> /usr/bin is svid compliant, /usr/xpg* are sus compliant
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[22:14:52] <sbahra> YazzY, package/port management community is tiny.
[22:15:04] <YazzY> codestr0m: your nick seems familiar..
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[22:15:28] <YazzY> sbahra: yah, but you can alsways use pkgsrc on netbsd and solaris :)
[22:15:40] <codestr0m> YazzY: does it? pm if you think you know me
[22:15:53] <sbahra> YazzY, sure. Most problems have work-arounds.
[22:16:26] <dustman_> YazzY: it selects keyboard layout
[22:16:42] <dustman_> 41 by default to be exact
[22:16:52] <h3sp4wn> e^ipi: Yep but if the ksh93 project replaces /bin/sh with ksh93 is there not a point where the svid stuff can go in /usr/svid (or whatever) like the bsd stuff in /usr/ucb
[22:17:00] <YazzY> dustman_: ok, becouse it's this part which popups at boot, you get a list of supported keyboard leyouts
[22:17:10] <e^ipi> h3sp4wn: or maybe svid is just not important at all
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[22:17:18] <YazzY> dustman_: so kbd -s just lists the choices and lets you chose one?
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[22:18:23] <dustman_> YazzY: it selects keyboard layout
[22:18:34] <dustman_> 41 default layouts
[22:18:47] <YazzY> dustman_: you said that before :)
[22:19:02] <dustman_> ah, wasn't sure due to time out
[22:20:09] <YazzY> dustman_: so kbd -s just lists the choices and lets you chose one?
[22:20:19] <YazzY> dustman_: ok, becouse it's this part which popups at boot, you get a list of supported keyboard leyouts
[22:20:21] <dustman_> exactly
[22:20:52] <dustman_> followed by system(=gnome) language
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[22:21:46] <nachox> YazzY, it's only the language for the console, it doesnt affect X
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[22:22:28] <dustman_> nachox: and why X uses the same kbd layout in this case?
[22:23:07] <YazzY> nachox: i know i know, i just need to know what happens in the console, i need to put some custom code to the miniroot there
[22:23:38] <nachox> i dont know how the X autodetection stuff works now, but i can have a console set to use a spanish layout and X to use a latam one
[22:24:40] <YazzY> nachox: i need a custom liveCD/DVD with no X
[22:24:48] <YazzY> and i am working on it now
[22:25:02] <dustman_> YazzY: check milax
[22:25:10] <dustman_> server edition
[22:25:25] <YazzY> dustman_: coolies, thanks
[22:26:20] <YazzY> is miniroot just gziped?
[22:26:53] <YazzY> well, it must be, I gzcat miniroot image to > file to mount it
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[23:04:04] <zimmermanc> how is jds on opensolaris. i think i'll try it
[23:04:12] <zimmermanc> wee
[23:10:10] <CosmicDJ> they renamed it to gnome ;)
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[23:22:02] <pipes> Two things have amazed me this week, 1) the speed of gnome (and gtk apps) on 2008.11 and 2) chinese democracy got released ;)
[23:23:10] <vmlemon_> Don't forget SCO losing and needing to pay Novell millions ;)
[23:24:52] <pipes> that didnt amaze me ;)
[23:24:56] <nachox> sco needs to pay novell millions
[23:25:55] <nachox> sco had the right to sell those things, it also had to pay to novell for that, if they didnt well. that's their problem
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