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[00:13:27] <the_unmaker> crash!!!
[00:13:29] <the_unmaker> lol
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[00:14:17] <e^ipi> ?
[00:15:33] <Asako> the_unmaker, yes, it panics
[00:15:40] <Asako> zpool import, bam
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[00:15:59] <Asako> funny thing is it says the pool is fine
[00:16:18] <e^ipi> dump the stack from your kernel dump
[00:16:45] <Asako> vmcore.0 ?
[00:16:59] <e^ipi> the kernel dumps, yes
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[00:17:34] <Asako> how do I do that?
[00:17:48] <Asako> pstack: cannot examine vmcore.1: no such process or core file
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[00:19:25] <e^ipi> there will also be a unix.N file for N in Z
[00:20:04] <e^ipi> you can use mdb to examine them
[00:20:58] <e^ipi> http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/4389-Less-known-Solaris-features-About-crashes-and-cores-Part-4-Crashdump-analysis-for-beginners.html
[00:21:18] <Asako> that's the page I was looking for, hehe
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[00:22:51] <Asako> http://pastebin.ca/1263175 doesn't help me much
[00:24:33] <eviljames> It looks like the kernel doesn't appreciate.  As of line 3 of your pastebin, it's calling you an ass fail.
[00:25:08] <Asako> lol, noticed that
[00:25:51] <eviljames> But, my totally 100% uneducated guess has to do with vdev_sync.
[00:25:58] <e^ipi> what version of solaris?
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[00:26:14] <eviljames> I am surprised that there is a ZFS problem, though, I was using a zpool under FreeBSD, and import/upgrade worked flawlessly in migration.
[00:26:43] <Asako> Solaris Express Community Edition snv_101 X86
[00:26:49] <Asako> should I file a bug report?
[00:27:00] <Asako> I think AVS corrupted the pool some how
[00:27:38] <Asako> I was messing around with disaster recovery and resyncing it
[00:29:59] <eviljames> hmm.  anything important on the zpool.?
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[00:34:42] <eviljames> Asako: If there's no important data, try to recreate the issue perhaps?
[00:35:08] <Asako> just a test zvol I made
[00:35:18] <Asako> doing some iscsi stuff
[00:35:35] <Asako> I can crash it just by doing a zpool import
[00:35:40] <e^ipi> i couldn't find anything related in bugster, go ahead and file a bug
[00:36:09] <eviljames> I was meaning to recreate the corruption
[00:36:36] <eviljames> as in, destroy the zpool, create a new one on same disk, bugger around with avs again...
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[00:40:20] <Asako> ah
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[00:41:17] <Asako> I could just create a new pool
[00:41:22] <eviljames> Maybe a freak lightning storm caused bits to get switched or something. ;)
[00:41:28] <Asako> but it would be nice to fix the bug
[00:41:31] <eviljames> localised in your storage array.
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[00:41:45] <Asako> well, me moving IPs around doesn't help
[00:41:54] <eviljames> Oh, certainly, but where to start?  is it an AVS bug?  a zfs bug?  possibly something in/around the kernel?
[00:41:59] <kimc> now have b101 installed and running with iSER packages from http://opensolaris.org/os/project/iser/
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[00:42:40] <kimc> with an iscsi target with ~830 GB of zfs backing store
[00:42:54] <Asako> ok, I just nuked it
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[00:43:19] <eviljames> I'm so jealous, everyone has nicer hardware than me..
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[00:43:45] <Asako> are sndr group names always the same as the pool name?
[00:45:48] <kimc> Windows Vista iscsi initiator connected to the comstar target and recording 2 simultaneous HD video streams off-air
[00:45:54] <Asako> guess I could check the ds.log
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[00:48:24] <kimc> this thing really cooks
[00:48:36] <e^ipi> eviljames: with all the bank failures, the market is likely to get flooded with used Sun kit soon enough
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[00:48:47] <e^ipi> frequent your local auction house
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[00:49:14] <e^ipi> buy a pallet of machines, keep one, ebay the rest and make a profit off the whole ordeal
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[00:49:20] <eviljames> yay!
[00:49:36] <e^ipi> there are auction houses next to the crack houses in Surrey
[00:49:42] <e^ipi> go there
[00:49:45] <eviljames> e^ipi: Good call, I am going to do this.
[00:50:02] <Henkis> Anyone had trouble with large frames and the e1000g-driver?
[00:50:32] <nachox> RedHat will of course keep saying banks migrated to using linux on intel over solaris on those banks because it performed 4 times faster and was more cost effective :P
[00:50:40] <eviljames> e^ipi: Surrey is too long of a distance from downtown Vancouver, maybe google will reveal a closer auction house
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[00:51:11] <Asako> the NYSE switched to redhat
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[00:51:24] <eviljames> No wonder the stock market is crashing.
[00:51:32] <codestr0m> Asako: if the LSX was smart they'd drop M$
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[00:51:42] <Asako> LSX?
[00:51:47] <eviljames> London Stock exchange
[00:51:50] <eviljames> ?
[00:51:53] <codestr0m> correct
[00:51:55] <Asako> ah
[00:52:02] <eviljames> They produced a case study claiming that MS provided them 0 downtime.
[00:52:07] <Asako> the footsie
[00:52:10] <eviljames> I think... something like that, anyhow.
[00:52:25] <codestr0m> eviljames: until a while back when they were down for most the day after the feds bailed the banks out
[00:52:26] <Asako> there's a windows super computer now
[00:52:31] <eviljames> That way they can make sure investors lose money from 9 am - 4 pm every day no matter what! ;)
[00:52:59] <eviljames> Asako: Really?  I thought Win had some fundamental limit on processor cores?
[00:53:03] <codestr0m> Asako: they finally made something which is vista compatible? :P
[00:53:18] <eviljames> The supercomputers I have read up on lately have 25,000+ cores... Almost enough to run vista...
[00:53:25] <Asako> server 2008 is pretty nice
[00:53:25] <Morpheus4> im runin live cd of open solaris but it aint showin my harddrive and i want to backup somethin of my dead windows system? wut do i need to do so it show the hd??
[00:53:26] <jamesd> Asako, they had to make it that big or someone would come along and get pissed and throw it out a window ;-)
[00:53:31] <Asako> and they do have data center edition
[00:53:31] <codestr0m> winblows has been trying to push into the hpc market for a while, but it's a joke at best
[00:53:34] <eviljames> codestr0m: kudos on getting the vista dig in before I did :)
[00:53:46] <Asako> seems like linux owns that space
[00:53:47] <codestr0m> eviljames: ;)
[00:53:52] <nachox> i'm impressed with osx myself, it probably sucks performance wise, but it has lots of cool features now, dtrace, zfs, address space randomization, trustedbsd and a cool GUI on top of it, those guys are cool
[00:53:56] <Asako> solaris cluster is nice though
[00:53:59] <codestr0m> Asako: umm.. are you forgetting about big blue?
[00:54:10] <eviljames> nachox: Yeah, and a ton of DRM.
[00:54:14] <Asako> IBM sells linux machines
[00:54:22] <codestr0m> and not to mention some of the other specialize companies targeting the government sectors
[00:54:25] <eviljames> Asako: look up the IBM Roadrunner.
[00:54:26] <Asako> and AIX, zOS, etc.
[00:54:29] <codestr0m> Asako: only linux?
[00:54:31] <eviljames> Latest & greatest in supercomputers apparently.
[00:54:39] <Morpheus4> can some1 help me?
[00:55:04] <Asako> with what?
[00:55:10] <Morpheus4> im runin live cd of open solaris but it aint showin my harddrive and i want to backup somethin of my dead windows system? wut do i need to do so it show the hd??
[00:55:28] <eviljames> Morpheus4: Try knoppix. ;)
[00:55:29] <Asako> run format < /dev/null
[00:55:33] <Morpheus4> :l
[00:55:42] <Asako> but yeah, something like linux rescue would work better
[00:55:50] <nachox> cant, solaris in the livecd doesnt uderstand ntfs
[00:55:50] <Asako> sysrescuecd
[00:55:55] <Morpheus4> o ok
[00:55:57] <eviljames> ahh!  nachox to the rescue.
[00:56:36] * codestr0m &> /dev/sleep
[00:56:47] <Henkis> Anyone have a larger frame than 1500 on e1000g?
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[00:59:04] <Asako> haven't even messed with frame sizes
[00:59:16] <eviljames> me neither.
[01:00:32] <jamesd> its on my todo list, but not sure how much it will help since most of my boxes talk to at least a few 100mbit devices...
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[01:00:43] <Asako> got a gigabit switch, that's it
[01:01:28] <jamesd> i have a gigabit switch managed, gigabit unmanaged, and a pair of managed cisco 2950 (10/100) and a 10/100 wifi/router
[01:01:31] <Henkis> Ok, i have a snv_101 that works perfectly after tweaking e1000g.conf, but my snv_101a opensolaris can nether set larger that 1500 using ifconfig or brussels :(
[01:01:38] <Morpheus4> Asako Thanks :) bye
[01:02:10] <Morpheus4> thank for the help :)
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[01:03:27] <jamesd> http://unixconsult.org/ciscos_and_friend.jpg  some geek porn for any that haven't seen it.. i should post some more...  but i'm lazy procrastinator
[01:03:50] <Asako> looks like our switches
[01:05:03] <LeftyBSD> heh, we're retiring our 2950s
[01:05:15] <Asako> we use 48 port ciscos
[01:05:19] <LeftyBSD> they were great... ten years ago!
[01:05:36] <Asako> lots of them, hehe
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[01:05:52] <jamesd> 2950's are good place to learn  cisco stuff for home...  spent too much time dealing with servers and had next to none dealing with cisco gear so i bought a couple...
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[01:06:34] <LeftyBSD> we'll probably end up using H3C 48ports if I can ram the budget through
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[01:07:07] <Asako> yeah
[01:07:28] <jamesd> i really like the  cisco 3750's
[01:08:03] <Asako> I'm gonna get going
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[01:08:06] <Asako> later folks
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[01:37:35] <piwi> what tex installer should i use on (open)solaris. found liveTex so far, but i would like to have someting like miktex on windows (loads tex packages on demand)
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[01:52:37] <koberoi_> For folks interested in becoming IPS package maintainers going forward, where should they go?
[01:52:47] <koberoi_> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/sw-porters/ ?
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[01:57:47] <alanc> koberoi_: that will probably be the place in a little while - right now, only a few Sun people can maintain pkg.opensolaris.org pkgs
[01:58:06] <alanc> but the discussions on how to open it up are happening on the sw-porters list
[01:59:06] <yksinaisyyteni> does anyone remember which S10 patch fixed the panics on woodcrest cpu?
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[01:59:08] <koberoi_> alanc: thanks for the ptr!   I'll join the sw-porters group...
[01:59:16] <yksinaisyyteni> (found the bug id, but not the patch)
[01:59:30] <victori> anyone run opensolaris/solaris on S5000PAL http://www.intel.com/Products/Server/Motherboards/S5000PAL/S5000PAL-overview.htm?
[01:59:37] <alanc> should be able to search on sunsolve using the bug id to find the patch that fixes it
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[02:15:49] <victori> is the write cache disabled for zfs boot disks?
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[02:37:23] <e^ipi> yes
[02:39:06] <nachox> since it has to be sliced, it could be infered it is disabled
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[02:42:39] <capotej> i accidentally hit update all, then cancelled, but not after i updated my package manager
[02:42:46] <capotej> and now i cant install anything
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[02:43:36] <capotej> can i revert back without reinstalling the os?
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[02:49:03] <e^ipi> capotej: yes, 'man beadm'
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[02:49:48] <capotej> e^ipi: it only lists one boot environment
[02:50:35] <e^ipi> then see if you can refresh via the command line tool
[02:50:40] <e^ipi> pkg(1)
[02:51:06] <capotej> what does refresh do
[02:51:23] <e^ipi> take a guess
[02:51:34] <e^ipi> or read the man page
[02:51:36] <capotej> yea i dont want to update to 2008.11
[02:52:08] <e^ipi> that's image-update
[02:52:44] <capotej> yea im checking out the man page now, im not used to such full man pages lol
[02:54:31] <e^ipi> i know, right?
[02:54:44] <capotej> which solaris are you on?
[02:54:47] <e^ipi> tribal knowledge is a stupid way to run a piece of technical equipment
[02:55:01] <e^ipi> i tend to use SXCE
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[02:56:43] <nachox> haha
[02:58:37] <e^ipi> hmm?
[02:58:37] <CIA-34> chenlu chen - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Chenlu.Chen at Sun dot COM>: 6713032 e1000g port hang, no xmit, no recv, 6767201 e1000g default_mtu does not coincide with max_frame_size on some chipsets when set via e1000g.conf
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[03:01:53] <capotej> yea it looks like ill have to format, every thing I try to install fails with this "conflicts with constraint in installed pkg:/entire"
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[03:02:21] <e^ipi> file a bug on it?
[03:02:31] <e^ipi> it shouldn't do that
[03:02:38] <capotej> not really sure its a bug, but more my incompetence lol
[03:02:47] <e^ipi> no, it's a bug
[03:02:53] <capotej> i shouldnt have cancelled update all in the middle
[03:03:08] <e^ipi> it shouldn't break when you do
[03:03:13] <nachox> it should cancel in a gracefull way or not let you cancel at all
[03:03:26] <capotej> true
[03:03:34] <e^ipi> it's a bug
[03:03:39] <e^ipi> defect.opensolaris.org
[03:03:52] <nachox> why did you not use a new BE? that was foolish regardless of the bug
[03:04:19] <capotej> i installed 2008.11 initially
[03:04:40] <capotej> but i had this nastyyy bug where if if i typed too fast in any textarea, it would lock that window up
[03:05:18] <e^ipi> in fairness, you were using the beta
[03:05:23] <capotej> yea totally
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[03:05:30] <e^ipi> the actual release isn't due for a little while
[03:05:33] <capotej> thats why i reverted to 2008.05
[03:05:39] <capotej> which has been awesome
[03:05:51] <capotej> i just didnt realize update all meant update to 2008.11
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[03:06:08] <capotej> i thought it was just like update the packages inside the 2008.05 branch
[03:06:26] <e^ipi> nah, there's no maintenance branch
[03:06:44] <capotej> yea i know that now lol
[03:08:05] <alanc> that's fixed for 2008.11 - the default repo will be the stable branch, and you'll have to choose the development repo if you want regular updates
[03:08:17] <capotej> sweet
[03:08:31] <nachox> nice
[03:08:54] <capotej> i also installed sol 10/08, but its too old school for me heh
[03:09:06] <alanc> exactly what fixes will go into the stable branch without paying for support is still to be defined I think...
[03:09:48] <nachox> i hope it's at least security fixes like solaris 10
[03:10:30] <e^ipi> seems it'd be a total pain in the ass to have to backport various fixes to releases from 6 months ago
[03:10:43] <e^ipi> or 12, whatever
[03:11:44] <e^ipi> one LTS release every $TIME is one thing, but  a stable branch for every release that also gets fixes seems a bit excessive
[03:12:05] <e^ipi> stable as in unchanging, sure...
[03:12:24] <capotej> i think thats the point of solaris as opposed to opensolaris
[03:13:00] <nachox> supporting more than 3 releases at a given time is a waste of resources imho
[03:13:16] <nachox> fully supporting i mean
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[03:13:43] <yksinaisyyteni> e^ipi: i doubt they'll maintain the old releases forever
[03:13:50] <yksinaisyyteni> either you use the LTS release, or you upgrade every 6 months
[03:14:06] <yksinaisyyteni> (which is how a certain linux distribution works)
[03:15:07] <e^ipi> that would be my assumption, but if we're going to have backport port fixes for b110 to b101a on account of that was the most recent release despite it generating 0 revenue ...
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[03:18:55] <e^ipi> *shrug*
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[03:19:42] <e^ipi> if someone's run the numbers and nobody needs to get laid off to make it happen whatever, but it just seems like a lot of unnecessary work to me
[03:21:35] <alanc> well, sch did say the stable branch would be limited to "super-critical" fixes, so I don't expect there will be many of them
[03:21:44] <e^ipi> fair enough then
[03:21:53] <yksinaisyyteni> if only there were a decent process for people outside sun to maintain it
[03:22:18] <nachox> super-critical seems to imply only security...
[03:22:19] <alanc> presumably if something like the ZFS-root data corruption bug in nv_102 got out in a release, it would be fixed...
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[03:22:31] <nachox> well, or that
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[03:27:02] <alanc> the thread discussing this was at http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=80902&tstart=90
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[03:58:36] <CIA-34> Paul Cheng <Paul.Cheng at Sun dot COM>: 6748194 WARNING: [1:0] dmd_create_dev: Unable to allocate dmd_soft_statep
[03:58:36] <CIA-34> Yang-Rong Jerry Zhou <Yangrong.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: 6772631 Audiohd panic on Lenovo zhaoyang E290G
[03:58:37] <CIA-34> lin wang - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Wang.Lin at Sun dot COM>: 6769624 Solaris needs a driver alias for pci10cf,139c for Atheros AR242x 802.11, 6770458 postinstall script need to be updated to reflect newly supported chipset
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[04:58:40] <CIA-34> miao chen - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Miao.Chen at Sun dot COM>: 6757461 Need to add support for 945GME which is the graphics chipset on Acer Aspire One Intel Atom 1.6Ghz
[05:02:14] <e^ipi> neat
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[05:03:50] <palowoda> heh, http://www.unixville.com/node/256
[05:05:11] <capotej> anyone get something like this? http://opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=303696
[05:05:47] <e^ipi> presumably the guy that posted the message did
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[06:49:10] <Chipdancer> does anybody here know if you can get more debugging out of /usr/sbin/install.d/pfinstall other than by adding '-x 10' ?
[06:49:18] <Chipdancer> (the -x flag is completely undocumented)
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[08:05:27] <CosmicDJ> moin, btw what's the Tenaya platform?
[08:05:39] <trochej> Coffee
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[08:08:39] <Chipdancer> trochej: drinking!
[08:09:56] <trochej> Good
[08:10:19] <Chipdancer> just in case you were trolling for #coffeegeek ;)
[08:10:58] <trochej> :)
[08:16:49] <e^ipi> is there a #coffeegeek ?
[08:16:52] <e^ipi> i haven't even checked
[08:17:08] <e^ipi> nope
[08:17:10] <e^ipi> damn
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[08:18:19] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: yeah, checked ages ago.. at least not on this server
[08:18:25] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: probably not, anyhow
[08:18:33] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: you can do cuppings with Mr Prince when you get to Vancouver!
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[08:18:48] <e^ipi> meh
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[08:19:08] <e^ipi> i'll go to the cuppings, but every time i've talked to mark prince he's an ass so i'm not gonna go out of my way to hang out with him
[08:20:00] <e^ipi> though his favourite cafe is also my favourite cafe
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[08:28:16] <victori> any recommendations on a low end rackmount?
[08:28:28] <e^ipi> x2200
[08:28:37] <e^ipi> or T1000 if that's your bag
[08:28:46] <victori> looking to spend about 1,200-1,500 USD
[08:29:32] <quasi> x2200 then
[08:30:56] <e^ipi> or x2250
[08:31:06] <victori> I am looking at the x2250
[08:31:16] <victori> not crazy about the disk options
[08:31:22] <yksinaisyyteni> dell R300 ;)
[08:31:34] <victori> for a lower price I am able to obtain a dell with double the ram and 15k drives
[08:32:01] <victori> though I am inclined to getting a sun box due to solaris being the OS on it
[08:32:20] <e^ipi> you a startup?
[08:32:26] <victori> I want to avoid the current disk issues we are having with our current setup
[08:32:33] <victori> e^ipi yea
[08:32:45] <e^ipi> there's some startup program with wicked discounts
[08:32:49] <yksinaisyyteni> ask your reseller about start essentials
[08:32:52] <yksinaisyyteni> +up
[08:33:02] <e^ipi> http://www.sun.com/emrkt/startupessentials/
[08:33:20] <e^ipi> try&buy is also another discount option
[08:33:24] <victori> e^ipi thanks
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[08:34:56] <fraggeln> is there any known memoryleaks in SXCE101?
[08:36:03] <e^ipi> it's possible *shrug*
[08:36:07] <e^ipi> bugs.opensolaris.org
[08:36:24] <Triskelios> fraggeln: in the kernel? check the changelog for ON 102 and 103...
[08:36:42] <e^ipi> changelog only tells you if they've been fixed
[08:36:58] <fraggeln> ohh wait, i think i have found the bad guy here.
[08:37:07] <fraggeln> my java-app was eating like 2gb
[08:37:15] <e^ipi> oh, that's normal
[08:37:24] <glance> the nwam thingie got quite usfull after phase 0.5 ...
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[08:37:30] <Chipdancer> does zfs mirror support multiple read from each spindle to improve performance?
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[08:37:40] <yksinaisyyteni> Chipdancer: of course
[08:37:45] <Chipdancer> i.e. a mirror with 2 disks has a 2x read performance?  3 disks 3x?
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[08:38:05] <Chipdancer> yksinaisyyteni: that's what I thought.. just wanted confirmation
[08:39:02] <victori> e^ipi though I still want to know why a ESB2 controller pulls 3mb/sec writes on solaris ;-(
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[08:39:53] <e^ipi> *shrug*
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[08:40:17] <victori> I have a feeling it might be >4gb disk DMA issues
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[08:41:05] <Triskelios> victori: you can test that
[08:41:22] <victori> is there a maxmem setting in the bootloader?
[08:41:34] <victori> or /etc/system*
[08:42:37] <victori> Triskelios: do you happen to know?
[08:42:50] <Triskelios> I know the option exists, but I forgot
[08:42:59] <victori> no problem
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[08:56:12] <plavcik> hello, I like to connect two external disks via FireWare to my notebook with OpenSolaris, can ZFS be used to get mirrored backup on them? (1. can order / dev name be issue? 2. notebook will be used often without these drives connected)
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[08:57:26] <g4lt-mordant> zfs on volmgt is possible, but not nexeccarily the wisest choice
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[08:59:24] <plavcik> volmgt is used for FireWare too?
[08:59:40] <yksinaisyyteni> it's usually called fire*wire*, just fyi ;)
[08:59:56] <g4lt-mordant> yes.  any removable media, usb, FW, zip, CD, syquest, etc
[09:00:29] <g4lt-mordant> of course, the only FW disk I've used was a CD, so YMM ;P
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[09:01:14] <plavcik> thx, I will read man volmgt and test it
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[09:01:59] <_coredump_> moinsen
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[09:05:14] <DTEIT> morning
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[09:13:09] <CosmicDJ> g4lt-mordant: I can remember a "thumper" build of usb-sticks... so it's not impossible
[09:14:15] <g4lt-mordant> hmm I could have sworn...<g4lt-mordant>	zfs on volmgt is possible, but not nexeccarily the wisest choice  wait, I did say it
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[09:15:47] <Berny> that usb-"thumper" video was cool
[09:15:56] <CosmicDJ> does the volmanager even kick in when you connect a firewire zfs disk?
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[09:16:22] <g4lt-mordant> it did for me, but again it was a CD
[09:16:39] <CosmicDJ> zfs cd, interesting
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[09:16:55] <g4lt-mordant> no, pre ZFS
[09:17:04] <CosmicDJ> ufs?
[09:17:14] <g4lt-mordant> but it worked that way with the UFS install CD
[09:20:11] <asyd> \_o<
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[09:23:10] <Gekz> \_x<
[09:23:50] <Gekz> asyd: is the l in your lastname silent?
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[09:24:09] <Gekz> Mr Goodson :P
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[09:25:51] <asyd> :)
[09:26:12] <asyd> yeah indeed the l is silent
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[09:28:06] <Gekz> asyd: so English people say it wrong
[09:28:08] <Gekz> every single time
[09:28:12] <Gekz> must be awesome
[09:28:19] <Gekz> not as awesome as a french person trying to say "Molloy"
[09:28:26] <Gekz> Moyoy
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[09:29:12] <asyd> ahah
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[09:42:22] <jklyekai> hello ,ALL. I setup a local IPS which is a mirror of tht pkg.opensolari.org ,the number of the packages is the same .I can use the packagemaniger GUI to install some package for exampe gnome-hex-editor ..but install slim_install will show error.I dont konw how to resolve it.
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[09:48:19] <raymond_> I just installed 2008.11 and after rebooting i get /grub and am not sure what is going on?
[09:50:25] <raymond_> any ideas at all
[09:50:36] <e^ipi> bug. check bugzilla.
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[09:51:13] <raymond_> oh btw slash grub is in text mode
[09:51:17] <e^ipi> experimental software, etc
[09:51:55] <raymond_> e^ipi is it known, the bug?
[09:52:24] <e^ipi> i dunno, check bugzilla
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[09:53:28] <e^ipi> but seeing as how it's a release candidate and not a release, wouldn't surprise me
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[09:58:39] <CIA-34> Adrian Frost <Adrian.Frost at Sun dot COM>: 6774079 intel_nhm driver not loading on fresh install
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[10:05:02] <fraggeln> for..
[10:05:09] <fraggeln> im so happy :)
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[10:07:53] <e^ipi> and obama got elected
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[10:08:07] <e^ipi> ( it was a joke about old news )
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[10:12:49] <g4lt-mordant> or a old joke about news, one of those things
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[10:21:34] <trygvis> with mercurial, is it possible to get the repository id?
[10:21:54] <trygvis> (the id that mercurial uses to figure out if who repsitories are the same or not)
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[10:34:55] <trochej> Coffee
[10:36:05] <tsoome> any ppl here (from sun.com) with mpxio exp?
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[10:37:53] <quasi> urk, that was cold
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[10:38:11] <CosmicDJ> quasi: outside?
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[10:38:59] <quasi> the coffee
[10:40:17] <CosmicDJ> cold coffee? what's next, warm beer? :p
[10:41:14] <e^ipi> cold coffee is nice sometimes
[10:41:17] <e^ipi> when it's warm out
[10:41:26] <fraggeln> irish coffee? :D
[10:41:37] <e^ipi> waste of good coffee & good whisky
[10:42:09] <e^ipi> coffee and a nightcap afterwards... sure
[10:42:34] <quasi> e^ipi: it isn't and no, I've never liked cold coffee because that's usually laced with lots of sugar
[10:43:07] <e^ipi> i don't sweeten iced coffee
[10:43:15] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[10:43:30] <e^ipi> i dunno, just taste i guess
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[10:43:50] <e^ipi> it's no good if you just let it go stale & cold, but if you brew it double strength and then pour it over ice it's decent
[10:44:36] <quasi> good vanilla icecream with a couple of espresso shots works
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[11:12:38] <g4lt-mordant> I don't ice coffee, so we're even
[11:12:59] <e^ipi> i didn't know we weren't even before
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[11:20:36] <g4lt-mordant> you doo't say!
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[11:29:23] <JWheeler> where is this ON 103 in the topic. I saw that in the topic last night and I still can't find it on suns dlc
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[11:30:33] <g4lt-mordant> that's because you have to BFE to ON.  you download SXCE
[11:30:42] <g4lt-mordant> BFU rather
[11:31:20] <JWheeler> it's just the ON change logs that I want to read
[11:31:30] <JWheeler> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b103/
[11:31:48] <JWheeler> gah, I know that wasn't there last night... my browsers history told me so!
[11:31:59] <JWheeler> I even tried at work today
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[11:35:05] <codestr0m> JWheeler: 103 came with everything *but* a changelog
[11:35:40] <JWheeler> the shear volume of churn on the cifs/smb front looks a bit scary
[11:35:48] <kimc> how soon will b103 be available on install media?
[11:35:55] <JWheeler> iscsi seems to be finally settling down now. I wonder if that means it's safe to use now
[11:36:13] <JWheeler> back when I tried it in the b7x series I had panics and gave up
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[11:36:23] <g4lt-mordant> aren't you making a semi-valid assumption tha it will be avail on install media?
[11:36:48] <JWheeler> heh, 2 in a row you think g4lt-mordant?
[11:37:16] <kimc> yes right it is an assumption there will be a sxce b103
[11:37:41] <g4lt-mordant> one that I for one am not willing to make
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[11:38:34] <kimc> just brought up iscsi on b101 last night by intalling iSER on it from here: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/iser/
[11:38:59] <kimc> it appears to be pretty solid
[11:39:30] <JWheeler> good to hear
[11:39:56] <JWheeler> I've already seen three iscsi fixes in b103, so it would seem there are still issues to be shaken out
[11:40:35] <kimc> for a test its setup as a target using ZFS with 3x 300GB drives for ~830GB of useful space
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[11:41:24] <JWheeler> The last line of the intro seems to suggest this is for infiniband only, is that right?
[11:41:44] <JWheeler> I confess I don't really know anything about rmda
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[11:42:12] <kimc> using HD video as a data source across the iscsi connection
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[11:43:33] <JWheeler> what is the rdma part of that?
[11:43:52] <JWheeler> I understand serving up zpooled storage via iscsi as a target
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[11:45:30] <kimc> this test case is configured for iscsi.. not sure what you need on the 'initiator' end to take advantage of rdma
[11:46:57] <kimc> opensolaris can do it but not sure about other vendor's interoperability with rdma
[11:47:15] <kimc> lets see whats around..
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[11:48:49] <kimc> looks like you need special nics designed for rdma
[11:48:51] <JWheeler> BUG/RFE:6741677Targets remaing visible on iSNS server after iSNS client is disabled
[11:48:55] <JWheeler> hrm, that might apply to you
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[11:53:19] <trygvis>
[11:55:06] <kimc> i don't have iSNS configured at the moment in this test lashup
[11:57:17] <kimc> the Opensolaris iscsi target from 1 year ago coupled with the Windows' Vista initiator at that time made for a rather unreliable system
[11:58:18] <kimc> i ran the combination since mid-August with zero failures
[11:59:49] <kimc> that is until a couple weeks ago when the b80-something target was replaced by then-latest b90-something
[12:00:53] <kimc> at that point the iscsi bits were not available in a package so the testing had been on hold
[12:01:40] <kimc> now the bits are available in the form of the iSER package and this installed on b101
[12:02:54] <kimc> there is another machine here with Opensolaris installed which can be used as an initiator for testing
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[12:06:13] <kimc> benchmarking disk performance is complicated i know.. but i'd like to get some rough numbers on this hardware to see whats possible
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[12:06:35] <Rarok> hi
[12:06:42] <kimc> hey there
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[12:07:02] <trochej> Coffee
[12:09:10] <kimc> should probably be logging iscsi events to keep an eye on 'non-fatal
[12:09:17] <kimc> malfunctions
[12:10:28] <kimc> wonder how you would enable debugging on the iscsi stack
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[12:47:38] <nabilelisa> hi all - quick question, does anybody know when 2008.11 is due out?  I'm guessing some time this month, but does anybody have a specific date?
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[12:55:26] <trochej> Coffee
[12:55:29] <trochej> The alst one today
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[14:52:58] <shashi>  I am first time trying to use solaris containers. If i do "/usr/sbin/pooladm -e", the command giving a message "pooladm: cannot enable pools: No such file or directory" . How to solve this issue ?
[14:54:08] <asyd> inside a zone?
[14:55:48] <quasi> should be in global
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[14:58:45] <CIA-34> Ashok Kumar T <Ashok.Kumar at Sun dot COM>: 6604828 nisupdkeys(1M) fails when run with -s options for servers serving a very long list of NIS+ dirs
[15:00:14] <shashi> globl
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[15:01:18] <holcomb> good old nis+
[15:02:47] <quasi> I thought nis+ was supposed to be discontinued
[15:03:42] <CosmicDJ> quasi: they keep saying that for years now
[15:03:57] <trochej> quasi: Probably too many clients not going LDAP any time soon
[15:04:33] <g4lt-mordant> ypquasi
[15:04:44] <trochej> :)
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[15:05:19] <quasi> nothing wrong with nis, it's nis+ that's supposed to die
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[15:26:09] <holcomb> ldap is so easy!
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[15:26:54] <trochej> YUp
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[15:37:40] <mikefut> Hello
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[15:38:36] <mikefut> Just curious how many of you takes zfs snapshots hourly or more often?
[15:38:54] <trochej> Daily
[15:39:10] <mikefut> and keep for how long?
[15:39:19] <trochej> a week
[15:39:21] <timsf> I take hourly ones and every 15 minutes
[15:39:37] <mikefut> timsf: and keep for how long?
[15:39:41] <timsf> (and daily, weekly and monthly)
[15:39:55] <timsf> keep 4 of the 14 minute ones, 24 of the hourly ones
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[15:41:11] <mikefut> I see.... so in total you got how many snapshots?
[15:41:18] <DTEIT> re
[15:41:40] <timsf> 1,800 on my desktop
[15:42:09] <timsf> 806 on this laptop
[15:42:39] <mikefut> I have about 400 file systems (one per user) and take snapshots hourly now (before took once per 15 mins then 30) - so in total I could have 250,000
[15:43:52] <mikefut> and with such about of snapshot system becomes very slow - especially if I need to sync them
[15:44:04] <timsf> sync them?
[15:44:17] <mikefut> I mean zfs send/recv
[15:44:30] <timsf> don't do that then?
[15:44:46] <mikefut> I need 2nd copy for backup
[15:45:14] <timsf> only sync the weekly ones (or daily ones) - whatever
[15:45:47] <mikefut> I found that zfs recv is wasting the time with getting the list of all snapshots for every single snapshot I try to send (if sync recursively)
[15:46:09] <mikefut> yeah... looks like this is only possibility
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[15:48:25] <quasi> holcomb: try this then - 50 or so machines with userids that don't macth across machines - that's not going to make for easy ldap migration
[15:48:41] <holcomb> that's not ldap's fault
[15:48:54] <holcomb> and - could you do that with NIS/NIS+?
[15:49:23] <quasi> would still suck, but be marinally easier
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[16:58:48] <CIA-34> Dan McDonald <danmcd at sun dot com>: 6762791 race condition found in ipsecah during ipsec-persock test, 6767912 DPD needs to be less aggressive., 6768512 ikeadm(1m) doesn't print in-progress DPD
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[18:12:20] <woland> hi guys. is there a way of telling how much cpu/memory the kernel is currently consuming? something like prstat but for the kernel rather than processes?
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[18:56:22] <mikefut> Hi
[18:57:19] <mikefut> I see my zpool make a lot of I/O - when I try to dtrace what process makes a lot of I/O Dtrace reports it's sched (kernel process I assume) - what is that and why it reads so much data?
[18:57:36] <victori> what controller?
[18:58:06] <mikefut> some LSI MegaRAID I believe
[18:58:26] <Triskelios> sched is the pager, afaik
[18:59:24] <mikefut> ok - why it need to read so much data?
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[19:00:07] <Triskelios> swapping in a process' working set, probably
[19:01:08] <mikefut> hm... my swap is not on zpool and it's amost free
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[19:02:59] <m3lling> is there an easy way to get Subversion for Solaris 10/08?  there are lots of dependencies on sunfreeware.com
[19:03:55] <e^ipi> it's included in SXCE
[19:04:01] <e^ipi> it very well may be in S10 as well
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[19:06:09] <h3sp4wn> m3lling: Probably the easiest way is to get the desktop-cbe (1.7.0-rc1) from the jds download centre
[19:07:47] <h3sp4wn> (the one in jds 1.6 is really old)
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[19:09:12] <m3lling> k.  i'm looking into it. thx.
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[19:14:23] <Asako> where is term info stored?
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[19:18:41] <holcomb> /etc/termcap ?
[19:19:20] <Asako> .terminfo is what I needed
[19:20:07] <h3sp4wn> or /usr/share/lib/terminfo (or /usr/gnu/share/terminfo for ncurses)
[19:20:31] <Asako> ah, thanks
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[19:26:07] <m3lling> Got desktop-cbe but it is failing because a conflicting SFpkgbuild is in one of my zones.  Can I skip this and how?   I just want the subversion tools.
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[19:27:25] <h3sp4wn> you should just be able to build the CBEsubversion and its dependancies in the zone
[19:27:44] <h3sp4wn> (use --pkgformats=ds)
[19:27:55] <h3sp4wn> sorry --pkgformat=ds
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[19:44:57] <Traveler1> hello
[19:46:18] <Traveler1> does sol10U6 mount zfs pools from opensol snv91?
[19:46:31] <eviljames> It should.
[19:47:06] <eviljames> But I have not tried myself, so you simply saying "it shouldn't" negates my point.
[19:47:36] <Traveler1> well ive tried with U5 and i was told it won't
[19:48:07] <Traveler1> and it didnt, but since maybe things changed with zfs root also
[19:48:59] <holcomb> what version of zpool does snv91 use?
[19:49:12] <holcomb> s10u6 uses version 10.  if they are the same (or 91 is less) it will work
[19:49:34] <Traveler1> yes good question but i dont know
[19:50:51] <Traveler1> holcomb so u saying snv91 zpool can be recognized with U10?
[19:51:40] <eviljames> I am pretty sure they are the same.
[19:52:17] <eviljames> FreeBSD uses zfs 6, when I installed osol snv86 it updated to ZFS v. 10 (I'm about 90% certain on that one)
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[19:53:08] <holcomb> version 11 didn't appear until build 94
[19:53:20] <holcomb> so it "should" work
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[19:56:04] <Traveler1> eviljames ahh ok snv86 was ver10 and U10 is now ver10 so they should be perfect for eachother then
[19:56:32] <eviljames> I would expect as much.
[19:57:12] <Traveler1> out of curiosity what was the version zfs framework used in U5?
[19:58:17] <Traveler1> nevmd ill find it. great help thanks guys
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[19:58:37] <CIA-34> Viswanathan Kannappan <Viswanathan.Kannappan at Sun dot COM>: 6501880 Creation of small files (< 1024 bytes) on logging file system leads to excessive fragmentation
[19:58:38] <CIA-34> Amritpal Sandhu <Paul.Sandhu at Sun dot COM>: 6638112 eliminate HMELOCK_ENTER() to avoid xcall timeout panic and improve GET_TTE() performance, 6620705 sfmmu_hblk_hash_add/rm should not access hme buckets via va, 6638127 TSB_UPDATE_TL()/TSB_UPDATE_TL_PN() shouldn't spin forever in TSB_LOCK_ENTRY()
[19:59:08] <Asako> you guys seen a zpool import panic a box?
[19:59:26] <e^ipi> b102 ?
[19:59:26] <Asako> I can send the crash dumps, hehe
[19:59:33] <Asako> b101
[20:00:35] <e^ipi> 101, or 101a
[20:00:42] <e^ipi> 101 was respun and i don't remember why
[20:01:00] <Asako> just 101
[20:01:22] <jbk> hmm.. most of the open source job schedulers seem to be for hpc setups..
[20:03:05] <Asako> codestr0m, I think there's a bug in your blog entry
[20:03:27] <codestr0m> Asako: ok. pm me and I'll fix it
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[20:03:39] <e^ipi> Asako, bugs.opensolaris.org
[20:03:44] <e^ipi> file it, someone'll get it
[20:04:04] <Asako> ok
[20:04:11] <Asako> I don't have the original pool any more though
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[20:05:45] <Sidari> Rob, Rob, Rob of the Freenode
[20:05:45] <Sidari> One big stupid fuck!
[20:05:45] <Sidari> AH EEH AH EEAHH EEYA EYAH EEYAH!!
[20:05:45] <Sidari> WATCH OUT FOR THAT TRUCK!!!
[20:06:02] <norman> oO
[20:06:04] <Sidari> Rob Levin is dead true to form
[20:06:06] <Sidari> Let's sodomize his head and begin the swarm
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[20:06:08] <Sidari> Trolls and banbots flood and spam lots
[20:06:10] <Sidari> All freenode users are fat, stupid and poor
[20:06:12] <Sidari> Get murdered like Levin the donation whore
[20:06:14] <Sidari> FUCK YOU FREENODE, FUCK YOU LEVIN
[20:06:16] <Sidari> ROB'S HELL IS ON THE ROAD LEADING TO OUR HEAVEN
[20:06:18] <Sidari> We were driving the car that gored Freenode's king
[20:06:20] <Sidari> Now destroy Rob's network and let chaos ring!
[20:06:22] <Sidari> LETS ALL GET TOGETHER AND TOGETHER WE'LL SING
[20:06:24] <Sidari> I piss on lilo's body I rape his fat wife
[20:06:26] <Sidari> I will continue on my spree cuz if I get caught its life
[20:06:28] <Sidari> With the bumper of my Taurus I did aim
[20:06:30] <Sidari> Driving over the hump, Lilo I did maim
[20:06:32] <Sidari> Let us watch it on youtube again and again
[20:06:34] <Sidari> We are irl trolls with our guns and a car
[20:06:36] <Sidari> You should learn all of this if you want to get far
[20:06:38] <Sidari> We speed towards a troll revolution
[20:06:41] <Sidari> This chapter reads just like the final solution
[20:06:42] <pumpkin> oh my
[20:06:43] <Sidari> TAKING OVER FREENODE WAS OUR FIRST CONTRIBUTION
[20:06:45] <Sidari> Slimy unixbeards all deserve to die
[20:06:47] <Sidari> When you hear my motor running don't stop and cry
[20:06:49] <Sidari> Pedal harder faggot, I'm closing in
[20:06:51] <Sidari> Your brains on my bumper for the win
[20:06:53] <Sidari> You are all gonna die like Rob Levin
[20:06:57] * eviljames starts logging for bash.org
[20:06:57] <Sidari> RMS you're next you fat fuck
[20:07:04] <eviljames> HAH
[20:07:07] <pumpkin> Sidari: so, a/s/l?
[20:07:13] <Sidari> Delink the sacred server
[20:07:15] <Sidari> Sodomize the holy channel
[20:07:17] <Sidari> Drink the red blood of the wife of lilo
[20:07:19] <Sidari> Masturbation on the dead body of freenode
[20:07:21] <Sidari> The king of PDPC is dead
[20:07:23] <Sidari> and so are the lies
[20:07:25] <Sidari> Vomit on the host of Wikipedos
[20:07:27] <Sidari> Masturbate on the throne of #ruby-lang
[20:07:29] <Sidari> Break the seals of lilo's oper block
[20:07:31] <Sidari> Drink the sweet blood of #emacs
[20:07:31] <pumpkin> Sidari: I like your style, can you join #style?
[20:07:33] <Sidari> Taste the open sores
[20:07:35] <Sidari> Sodomize open source
[20:07:37] <Sidari> The king of PDPC is an idiot
[20:07:39] <Sidari> The IRC network will burn
[20:07:41] <Sidari> Delink the IRC server
[20:07:43] <Sidari> Rob Levin is dead
[20:07:45] <Sidari> Stability gone
[20:07:47] <Sidari> Security gone
[20:07:49] <Sidari> The servers are burned
[20:07:51] <Sidari> Covered in black shit
[20:07:53] <Sidari> Rape the Wikipedos
[20:07:55] <Sidari> Unclean birth of lilo's autistic children
[20:07:57] <Sidari> Freenode will fall
[20:07:59] <Sidari> Fuck the network
[20:08:01] <Sidari> Fuck Rob Levin
[20:08:03] <Sidari> Fuck the Wikipedos
[20:08:05] <Sidari> Fuck the gods of Freenode
[20:08:07] <Sidari> Fuck the name of Lilo
[20:08:09] <Sidari> Fuck the gods of Freenode
[20:08:11] <Sidari> Fuck the name of Lilo
[20:08:20] <prav33n> WTF!
[20:08:27] <pumpkin> stevel, alanc, asyd, e^ipi, jamesd, Tempt ?
[20:08:45] <prav33n> alanc, stevel
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[20:08:59] <quasi> he's fishing for a k-line
[20:09:02] <quasi> was
[20:09:03] <alanc> sorry, wasn't watching
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[20:09:25] <pumpkin> it was entertaining if nothing else
[20:09:34] <Asako> weird
[20:09:34] <prav33n> Don't we have a flooding policy?
[20:09:38] *** alanc sets mode: +b *!*@cpc2-bolt6-0-0-cust246.manc.cable.ntl.com
[20:09:48] *** stevel sets mode: +b *!*@*.manc.cable.ntl.com
[20:09:52] <eviljames> Well, I thought that was great.  Some good lines.
[20:09:54] <stevel> sorry - was on the phone
[20:10:03] <pumpkin> doubleban!
[20:10:04] <pumpkin> muahahaha
[20:10:09] <prav33n> Cool
[20:10:26] * stevel is more liberal with his bans
[20:10:27] <stevel> :-P
[20:10:36] <prav33n> :)
[20:10:53] * alanc couldn't remember the ban syntax
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[20:13:39] <alanc> I thought freenode automatically did flooding limits, but he may have been keeping under them
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[20:14:51] <quasi> I think that might be a per channel option
[20:16:11] <alanc> benr is the channel owner if it's something the owner needs to configure
[20:16:49] <quasi>  /msg chanserv help
[20:16:56] <quasi> might give you the info
[20:21:18] <stevel> quasi: no per-channel flood protection that i see
[20:23:11] <holcomb> irc brings out the best in people
[20:23:54] <quasi> may have been some other network than
[20:25:38] <Asako> could always run a bot
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[20:39:58] <pfn> hmm, I want an opensolaris liveusb
[20:40:18] <pfn> something that runs on ramdisk and can save config to flash
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[20:41:07] <h3sp4wn> try milax - dunno about saving the configs though
[20:41:31] <pfn> basically I want the usb as a ROM that can be updated, I want a simple nas appliance...
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[20:42:10] <h3sp4wn> Make one then
[20:42:26] <pfn> I started to a long time ago, never got around to finishing it
[20:42:34] <pfn> but no point in reinventing the wheel if it's already done
[20:43:13] <h3sp4wn> Actually nexenta sell a storage appliance
[20:44:43] <h3sp4wn> pfn: Do you need more than 1TB ? if not you can use the nexenta developer edition
[20:45:05] <pfn> don't need more than 1tb at home, yet
[20:46:20] <h3sp4wn> pfn: www.nexenta.com then try that
[20:46:49] <pfn> yeah, took a look... don't know if that's the direction I want to take
[20:46:58] <h3sp4wn> pfn: something non commercial will probably come along eventually
[20:47:18] <pfn> I'll screw around with an opensolaris liveusb eventually
[20:47:24] <pfn> when I get around to getting hardware for it
[20:47:38] <pfn> my current computers are finally coming up on their "end-of-life" and it's time to update
[20:47:42] <h3sp4wn> a zpool is a zpool anyway though
[20:49:13] <vmlemon_> pfn: Does a Drobo count?
[20:49:33] <vmlemon_> (It's simple enough, and it has redundancy as far as I know_
[20:49:37] <vmlemon_> )
[20:49:50] <h3sp4wn> (They use b85 so if you want to change to SXCE or Solaris 10 you can)
[20:50:14] <pfn> b85?
[20:51:33] <h3sp4wn> build 85
[20:51:45] <pfn> oh
[20:52:32] <rewolf-> 1TB is not much these days though.
[20:53:01] <pfn> drobos are "hackable"?
[20:53:07] <pfn> hmm, that might be interesting then
[20:53:08] <h3sp4wn> Depends on whether it means actual usable size or not
[20:54:47] <vmlemon_> pfn: They run Linux anyway
[20:54:51] <vmlemon_> (And there's an official SDK)
[20:55:09] <vmlemon_> Can't see why you can't format the drives with ZFS though...
[20:55:37] <h3sp4wn> Are they 32 bit or 64 bit ? (and are they x86 or sparc ?)
[20:55:58] <vmlemon_> Drobos?
[20:56:01] <h3sp4wn> yeah
[20:56:13] <vmlemon_> Were either ARM or MIPS if I remember correctly
[20:56:40] <pfn> no sense in getting a drobo if I want a general purpose computer/nas kinda thing
[20:57:06] <pfn> especially if I want to run opensolaris
[20:58:40] <CIA-34> Victor Latushkin <Victor.Latushkin at Sun dot COM>: 6761100 want zdb option to select older uberblocks
[20:58:41] <CIA-34> Brian Kuyper <Brian.Kuyper at Sun dot COM>: 6770755 SL500 library should support more than 1 panel
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[21:19:39] <h3sp4wn> vmlemon_: The fuse zfs would be terrible on a 32 bit mips or arm I would imagine (unless you ment to use it via iscsi on another box)
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[21:22:51] <Asako> I just built a home made SAN using SXCE
[21:22:58] <Asako> with AVS replication
[21:23:09] <CosmicDJ> nice
[21:23:50] <Asako> zfs iscsi is awesome
[21:24:31] <Asako> just wish I could do live failover, hehe
[21:25:55] <eviljames> hmm... is there a 2008.11 roadmap anywhere?
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[21:27:16] <eviljames> nvm, found it on genunix.
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[21:30:53] <e^ipi> eviljames, it will be released in november
[21:30:57] <e^ipi> that's the roadmap
[21:31:02] <e^ipi> ;)
[21:31:05] <eviljames> haha perfect.
[21:31:21] <e^ipi> the next release will be 2009.04 , so, not 2008.11
[21:33:08] <eviljames> Well, I was thinking of doing a fresh insteall when 2008.11 is officially released... should I bother or just use 2008.05 and pkg image-update?
[21:34:25] <e^ipi> whatever
[21:34:36] <e^ipi> you achieve the same goal
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[21:38:44] <h3sp4wn> Is the reason zfs root needs to be on a partition (not whole disk) on x86 related to the BIOS not being able to handle the disks ?
[21:39:05] <e^ipi> yeah
[21:39:14] <e^ipi> an EFI machine probably could
[21:39:37] <e^ipi> but only apple makes those on the one hand, and grub can't boot off them on the other
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[21:40:11] <h3sp4wn> coreboot supports different payloads (apparantly the Solaris support is broken atm though)
[21:40:34] <e^ipi> good for it?
[21:40:45] <e^ipi> grub2 has efi support planned i think too
[21:41:38] <e^ipi> but i think even then it'd need a partition somewhere just because of the way EFI works
[21:41:44] <jbit> i've been hearing about grub2 for like five years i think
[21:41:55] <e^ipi> jbit, yeah, i doubt it'll ever see the light of day
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[21:46:04] <h3sp4wn> e^ipi: bad question (statement ?) If I can replace my bios with coreboot (I can easily) and can just load the kernel files is there anything else that should stop it working (other than liveupgrade won't create a be on a whole disk pool)
[21:47:23] <e^ipi> reading the kernel from an EFI labelled disk, coreboot + zfs, and the kernel would probably freak out too
[21:47:33] <e^ipi> though it may not if coreboot can fake multiboot ( grub's standard )
[21:48:38] <eviljames> grub2 is actually on the install cd of duke nukem forever.
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[21:53:11] <vmlemon_> eviljames: But does it run within GNU/HURD L4? ;)
[21:53:19] <vmlemon_> *on
[21:53:38] <eviljames> hah
[21:54:06] <eviljames> I think that for the purposes of being obnoxious, I'm going to start referring to everything as gnu/*
[21:54:10] <vmlemon_> GNU/HURDows Vista(TM)!
[21:54:14] <eviljames> exactly.
[21:54:20] <eviljames> openGNUlaris
[21:54:22] <eviljames> ;)
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[21:54:58] * vmlemon_ is surprised that there isn't a GNUTube service that provides RMS's propaganda videos in Free Formats(R) ;)
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[21:58:16] <skullone> mmm beef stuffed cabbage and dumplings for lunch
[21:58:18] <eviljames> vmlemon_: Because that wouldn't be quite free enough.
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[21:58:52] <eviljames> vmlemon_: RMS needs to have something more like gnustream.tv (ustream.tv) so he can propogandize live, world wide, 24/7... remember it's free speach we're talking about here people!@
[21:59:00] <vmlemon_> Hah
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[21:59:16] <e^ipi> heh, a guy from vancouver owns gnutube.com
[21:59:22] <vmlemon_> Gitter ("Jitter")? ;)
[21:59:45] <vmlemon_> (A constant stream of RMS messages to anyone who can be bothered to subscribe)
[22:00:05] <eviljames> gnitter
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[22:00:33] <eviljames> e^ipi: worse, he's from Surrey!
[22:01:38] <e^ipi> yeah, well... rent is expensive in the city... gnu hippies have to live with the crackheads out in the suburbs
[22:02:01] <TrogL> I've got a T2000 in a different building.  How do I figure out exactly what it's got for RAM?  prtdiag -v is inscrutible
[22:02:18] <TrogL> ie. what DIMMS in waht sockets
[22:02:22] <e^ipi> the one good thing about surrey though is the south asian population... you can wander to any gas station or corner store and pick up some samosa
[22:02:30] <vmlemon_> Aha! RMS needs his own version of Operah
[22:02:42] <vmlemon_> *Oprah?
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[22:05:30] <victori> e^ipi got into that startup essentials program, however all the servers come with 7200 rpm drives with no possibility of upgrading them 10k, do I need to call the sales guy ?
[22:05:31] <jbit> vmlemon_: nobody has theora codecs installed :P
[22:05:33] <rickross> anyone here running on a Supermicro X7DWN+ motherboard?
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[22:06:12] <e^ipi> victori, i dunno, sales guy would know what the options are better than i would
[22:08:23] <e^ipi> okiedokie, eviljames: you're in the city proper?
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[22:11:06] <eviljames> e^ipi: Yeah, and you're right about rent.
[22:11:31] <eviljames> I'm in a relatively low-rent area of Vancouver, and still paying $900 for a 700sq-ft 1 bdrm apartment.
[22:12:01] <TrogL> anybody tried memconf on a T2000?
[22:13:52] <cmihai> eviljames: shit, I'd pay about 4 times as much here :-).
[22:14:31] <eviljames> where are you?  manhattan?
[22:14:54] <cmihai> Stuttgart.
[22:15:48] <eviljames> as in Germany?
[22:15:58] <cmihai> Paying almost 2000$ / month for something like 40m^2.
[22:16:05] <rewolf-> what is a sq-ft anyway? :)
[22:16:06] <cmihai> Yeah, Germany.
[22:16:18] <eviljames> I'm pretty surprised, I would have expected it to be cheaper.
[22:16:18] <cmihai> People with fat feet.
[22:16:21] <holcomb> ptree
[22:16:23] <holcomb> ;lfjasdf
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[22:17:37] <eviljames> holcomb: ahh, the keyboard smash.  I do it all day long.
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[22:25:59] <Kvsh-> hi
[22:27:02] <Kvsh-> I setup my system to use LDAP naming service, but for some reason gdm doesn't seem to recognize my user/pass. However, if I do something like ssh -l user localhost, I am able to find. also, doing a su - user works fine.
[22:27:16] <rickross> anyone have any insights about how to get better display support than "vgatext" from an Intel ESB2 chipset with integrated ATI ES1000 graphics?
[22:28:51] <cmihai> vesa seems popular these days.
[22:29:10] <kimc> just installed b101 on a machine with ES1000 graphics and it works fine.. what info do you need?
[22:29:36] <kimc> are you trying to run X ?
[22:29:41] <rickross> kimc: that's good news
[22:29:44] <e^ipi> don't buy ati in the first place ?
[22:30:07] <cmihai> Ati + Solaris == suck, seeing how NVIDIA actually has drivers for Solaris. You know, 3D et all.
[22:30:20] <cmihai> (out of the box too)
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[22:30:21] <e^ipi> ati can't even get drivers right on windows
[22:30:27] <cmihai> Heh, true.
[22:30:41] <kimc> a lot of the newer 'server grade' motherboards come with on-board ES1000 graphics
[22:30:52] <kimc> they're not that bad
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[22:31:37] <rickross> we installed the osol-0811-101a-rc1b.iso on a machine with ES1000 graphics (Supermicro X7DWN+ mobo) but it didn't seem to recognize anything about the graphics adapter
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[22:32:04] <rickross> so we have slow, generic drive. Did you have to do anything in particular to get the ES1000 support to kick in?
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[22:33:03] <rickross> we see that version 1.2.1 of RadeonHD is included in the current build, but I'm not sure how to get the correct one selected
[22:33:04] <kimc> nothing, it boots to the graphic login screen
[22:33:34] <e^ipi> kimc, "server grade" motherboards don't need display beyond text console so it doesn't really matter what they ship with
[22:33:58] <hrist> :)
[22:34:07] <e^ipi> or they come with console redirection via vnc
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[22:34:16] <e^ipi> which is quite cool, and i wish you could buy such cards as discrete units
[22:34:27] <kimc> they can make use of basic X to allow display of multiple terminal windows which i find quite useful
[22:34:42] <holcomb> can't beat good old serial with some kind of management card
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[22:35:28] <e^ipi> the x86 requirement that one needs a video card in order to boot is ridiculous
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[22:35:36] <holcomb> yeah
[22:35:40] <rickross> well, e^ipi, we have tons of ram and cpu in this machine, and we'll have a kvm-over-ip on it, so we'd like to install a proper video driver for high quality graphics support
[22:35:49] <e^ipi> i haven't had a display hooked up to my fileserver since initial install, yet i had to buy a video board for it anyways
[22:35:51] <kimc> you can feel free to disable booting into X if  you want :)
[22:36:18] <rickross> but we're new to OpenSolaris, and haven't yet figured out how/where to configure X to use the preferred driver
[22:36:37] <e^ipi> rickross, same place as anywhere else, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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[22:37:29] <e^ipi> kimc, that's not the point
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[22:37:36] <kimc> ok
[22:37:41] <rickross> so the xorgconfig script can get that set for me?
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[22:37:46] <e^ipi> kimc, point is i had to drop another $30 on a machine for a part i wasn't going to use
[22:37:53] <TrogL> memconf was able to recognize and list the DIMMs on a T2000
[22:37:55] <e^ipi> rickross, or Xorg -configure and edit it's output
[22:38:07] <kimc> i understand.. can't you install with the serial console ?
[22:38:12] <prav33n> rickross, I think most of the distributions (Linux and OpenSolaris) are moving towards Xorg.conf less systems
[22:38:29] <prav33n> Configuration is generated on the fly
[22:38:31] <e^ipi> kimc, x86 requires a video board to boot.
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[22:38:45] <kimc> i did not know that
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[22:39:03] <prav33n> However one can generate the initial configuration file from X or Xorg binaries
[22:39:09] <e^ipi> usually the onboard junk chip takes care of it, but this motherboard doesn't have onboard video
[22:39:11] <prav33n> I forgot how I exactly did it
[22:39:23] <e^ipi> even if it did it'd eat up system memory
[22:39:33] <rickross> prav33n: interesting... SO, do we have to tell the system someplace that it should use ES1000 graphics support? It definitely did not auto-configure into it.
[22:39:36] <e^ipi> for a display that i have no intention of ever looking at
[22:39:43] <kimc> on this b101 machine there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11 ..where is the config file ?
[22:39:54] <e^ipi> kimc, memory.
[22:39:54] <prav33n> You should take a look at the log file
[22:39:55] <holcomb> /usr/X11/bin/xorgconfig
[22:40:04] <e^ipi> X automatically generates it...
[22:40:06] <h3sp4wn> kimc: /etc/X11/.xorg.conf
[22:40:12] <prav33n> Autogenerated
[22:40:16] <kimc> oh ok so its reading that huh ?
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[22:40:24] <h3sp4wn> No its generating that
[22:40:34] <kimc> ok
[22:40:54] <prav33n> Look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what configuration it generated
[22:41:22] <kimc> anyway i don't know why rickross' installation didn't work with the ES1000 on-board.. any ideas ?
[22:41:36] <prav33n> If we have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf it will take precedence
[22:42:41] <kimc> rickross: so do you have that ?
[22:43:09] <prav33n> Do we have the log file of rickross Xorg somewhere?
[22:43:35] <rickross> we do not have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:44:01] <rickross> we could perhaps generate one, but we have no clue what to supply as refresh ranges for the driver
[22:44:02] <inaddy> lalala
[22:44:04] <prav33n> rickross, Can you post xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log on a pastebin and provide a link?
[22:44:22] <prav33n> rickross, Sorry not xorg.conf
[22:44:35] <prav33n> rickross, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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[22:44:45] <rickross> parv33n: putting it on one now
[22:45:45] <rickross> http://pastebin.ca/1263827
[22:46:03] * prav33n following the link
[22:46:40] <rickross> this is on a fresh install of the 101a-rc1b - we just assembled the machine last night
[22:49:16] <prav33n> rickross, And what exactly is the problem that you are facing now (sorry).
[22:50:23] <rickross> we cannot get the machine to provide resolutions higher than 1280x1024 (should be driving current monitor at 1920x1200)
[22:50:46] <rickross> and all graphics/winodwing operations are super slow
[22:51:15] <prav33n> Do someone know if 'radeon' driver supports ES1000?
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[22:51:39] <prav33n> Sorry, radeonhd
[22:51:47] <kimc> yes it works fine on 2 machines here
[22:52:13] <rickross> kimc: did it autoselect that, or did you have to specify it explicitly?
[22:52:31] <kimc> yes autoselected, no effort required
[22:52:49] <kimc> at the end of the log file it has: Output DVI-0 disconnected
[22:53:32] <kimc> wonder if you might have success if you just try the video configuration again and make sure the monitor connector is firmly seated
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[22:53:58] <prav33n> rickross, Can you also post the output of 'xrandr -q'?
[22:56:11] <kimc> also rickross: did you have a keyboard and mouse connected at the time you installed that ? The log shows it was unable to identify it
[22:57:25] <prav33n> I am also wondering if Gnome 2.24 Xrandr integration is creating some issues here
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[22:59:25] <kimc> hmm.. if i run /usr/X11/bin/xrandr -q on the console of the machine with ES1000 graphics working fine, it returns: Can't open display
[22:59:35] <rickross> kimc: it WAS weird, since it thought for some reason there was a USB keyboard, but after a reboot it was happy enough with the PS/2 keyboard that is attached
[22:59:48] <rickross> can we force it to redetect the hardware somehow?
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[23:01:15] <kimc> e^ipi suggested running: Xorg -configure
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[23:01:35] <kimc> see what it does
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[23:02:19] <kimc> i think you can connect either a PS/2 or USB keyboard with no configuration changes required
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[23:11:09] <rickross> prav33n: rickross, Can you also post the output of 'xrandr -q'?  -->  http://pastebin.ca/1263827   (at the top)
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[23:12:03] <Triskelios> "Not using mode "1920x1200" (width too large for virtual size)" looks like the problem
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[23:13:09] <Triskelios> although it appears to contradict "(II) RADEON(0): Max desktop size set to 2048x1200" from earlier on
[23:13:18] <rickross> yep
[23:14:01] <rickross> we're rebooting to see if we can re-run Xorg -configure before X starts up
[23:14:17] <rickross> it requires us to be in text mode, apparently
[23:14:18] <Triskelios> putting an explicit "Virtual 1920 1200" in the Screen section would probably help
[23:14:42] <Triskelios> you can disable gdm if you're fast enough before X starts, or just kill X enough times
[23:15:06] <Triskelios> the only difference for "text mode" is that gdm service is disabled
[23:15:20] <rickross> ok, we're restarting now - trying to catch it (all this is somewhat unfamiliar since we've been using Ubuntu and Centos for a long time)
[23:16:22] <rickross> hmmm, no joy - looks like a graphical boot -
[23:16:33] <rickross> dunno how to get to text mode
[23:16:36] <Triskelios> kill X
[23:16:47] <Triskelios> ctrl alt backspace multiple times, it'll give up restarting
[23:17:01] <Triskelios> or login and type svcadm disable gdm before X starts
[23:17:55] <prav33n> rickross, http://pastebin.ca/1263850
[23:18:01] <prav33n> That is my xorg.conf
[23:18:18] <prav33n> It has an example of how to modify the "Virtual" size
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[23:26:31] <rickross> prav33n: we're trying that
[23:26:52] <rickross> we managed to just delete the lock file, and run "Xorg -configure"
[23:27:09] <rickross> now we're on radeon for the driver, but no joy on the desired monitor size
[23:27:09] <Triskelios> lock file?
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[23:27:33] <rickross> yeah, while X was running there was a lockfile that prevented us running "Xorg -configure"
[23:27:49] <Triskelios> uh, you should stop X
[23:27:51] <rickross> we deleted it and then ran "Xorg -configure" from a remote shell
[23:27:57] <hrist> d'oh
[23:27:58] <Triskelios> that's a very strong hint
[23:28:28] <rickross> Triskelios - we just didn't know how to stop it (my colleague was getting testy)
[23:28:42] <Triskelios> rickross: svcadm disable gdm, like I said
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[23:29:32] <hrist> Triskelios: if he was able to do a xrandr -q why didn't he do svcadm disable from where he did the xrandr?
[23:29:53] <Triskelios> ask him...
[23:30:07] <hrist> hm, good idea :D
[23:30:53] <rickross> probably just the end-of-day on Friday impatience
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[23:32:15] <rickross> anyway, thanks to all for trying to help
[23:32:34] <rickross> we'll keep at it until we figure this out
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[23:34:32] <plavcik> hi, can I import dhcpd.conf from OpenBSD to Solaris 10 machine instead of using dhcpmgr?
[23:35:10] <turtle> you'd probably have to install isc-dhcpd first assuming that's what OpenBSD is using.
[23:37:27] <plavcik> I see, I will check pntadm(1) to see, what will be quicker, thx
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[23:58:59] <CIA-34> John.Zolnowsky at Sun dot COM: 6449514 move OpenSSL from /usr/sfw to /usr, /lib, 6457487 clean up Makefile for cmd/openssl, 6686002 move /usr/lib/libkmf and plugins to /lib - PSARC 2007/674, 6686004 move libcryptoutil and libelfsign from /usr/lib to /lib - PSARC 2007/674, 6700122 cryptosvc should be able to start before filesystem/usr





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