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[00:00:14] <timeless> no
[00:00:24] <timeless> i have a repo w/ 2 branches
[00:00:31] <timeless> well, really 5 branches
[00:00:42] <timeless> <core>, <branded>, ..., <new>
[00:00:52] <timeless> new is a branch from <core>
[00:01:10] <timeless> but i want to cherry pick the latest vesions of files from <branded>
[00:01:28] <stevel> timeless: hg or svn?
[00:01:28] <timeless> i'd expect all the changelog for the files that i'm grabbing to come with
[00:01:31] <timeless> hg
[00:01:41] <timeless> but i don't want the other files that were changed along the way
[00:01:42] <stevel> hg cat -r <rev> <filename> ?
[00:01:58] <timeless> that loses changelog/history, right?
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[00:02:17] <stevel> nope - all that does is cat the file from the given rev without changing any files in the repo
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[00:02:27] <timeless> right
[00:02:35] <timeless> but it means that changelog knows nothing about the file
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[00:02:45] <timeless> which isn't my goal
[00:02:48] <stevel> ah yeah - it's just a print of the file contents
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[00:03:18] <stevel> you can't cherrypick subdirs or certain files. you have to take the whole repo
[00:04:02] <timeless> so what would you do if you wanted to do this? :)
[00:04:06] <codestr0m> timeless: doesn't support partial or subtree checkout..
[00:04:27] <codestr0m> the patches for hg to support this weren't finished. you pull the whole repo.. listen to stevel
[00:04:38] <timeless> i have the whole repo
[00:04:51] <timeless> it's tiny :)
[00:04:58] <timeless> 1.8M    .hg
[00:05:03] <timeless> the issue isn't space
[00:05:08] <timeless> it's explaining what i'm doing
[00:05:22] * stevel is unsure what you're trying to do
[00:05:23] <codestr0m> ok. try #mercurial
[00:05:35] <Tpenta> g'day stev
[00:05:47] <timeless> basically i have a product which has configuration files mixed into its version control
[00:05:57] <timeless> and then i have a second deployment of the same product
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[00:06:10] <stevel> heya Tpenta
[00:06:14] <timeless> which inherently has changes to the configuration files (mostly for branding)
[00:06:18] <stevel> sorry - ogb meeting time. gotta pay attention. biab
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[00:06:35] <timeless> i want to make another deployment w/ similar branding
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[00:06:56] <timeless> but in the future, i don't care about changes to the original branding
[00:07:05] <timeless> because usually they'll be divergent branding changes
[00:07:16] <timeless> whereas i do want the upstream code changes
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[00:08:04] <r0bbk1dd> timeless: No chance of reorganizing the config files in the origin branch(es)?
[00:08:28] <timeless> it's not absolutely impossible
[00:08:34] <timeless> but it's definitely inconvenient
[00:08:39] <timeless> the primary deployment isn't owned by me
[00:08:49] <timeless> i'm the upstream author, but they use it :)
[00:09:04] <timeless> and the guy i mostly coordinate with is supposed to be on vacation for a while :)
[00:09:20] <r0bbk1dd> At a minimum, some fingers should be waggled at the maintainers of the origin for mixing code and config.
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[00:09:34] <timeless> that's mostly waving a finger at myself
[00:09:37] <timeless> not very productive :)
[00:09:48] <timeless> well, not technically, the original cvs was like this too
[00:09:51] <r0bbk1dd> timeless: Well, for shame! *waggle*
[00:09:53] <timeless> and i didn't make the hg repo either
[00:10:00] <timeless> so i can duck the finger waggling
[00:10:03] <prav33n> What is the planned release date of OS 2008.11?
[00:10:04] <timeless> but it isn't very productive :)
[00:10:10] <piwi> hi folks. osol.org down?
[00:10:18] <timeless> piwi: channel topic?
[00:10:26] <piwi> ups, sorry
[00:10:42] <r0bbk1dd> timeless: It's slightly ghetto, but you could create an empty branch of just your config files along with a script to apply them to a working copy of the origin.
[00:11:08] <timeless> r0bbk1dd: for the future i think i'd cheat and have two repos which i merged
[00:11:13] <timeless> one w/ just code and one w/ just config
[00:11:19] <timeless> and then force import both
[00:11:30] <timeless> then i can change the config, then pull into the merge repo
[00:11:31] <r0bbk1dd> timeless: Ouch.
[00:11:44] <timeless> i've done merged repos, they seem to work
[00:11:51] <r0bbk1dd> timeless: And you think that's easier than maintaining some configs and a script to apply them?
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[00:18:57] <diogo> hello everyone... I just downloaded the opensolaris 2008.11 (snv101) edition and did a CD of it... but I saw that it uses the ati radeon X11 driver version 6.8.0 and this version is incompatible with my video card ATI Xpress 1150... (actually it is buggy with other cards too... and these bugs got fixed with 6.9.0) that said I'd like to see the livecd to feel if I'm going to install it or not since the 2008.05 my network didn't work...
[00:19:19] <diogo> how can I boot the livecd using other video driver like vesa instead of radeon?
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[00:23:33] <alanc> diogo: there's instructions on switching to vesa on the LiveCD on blogs.sun.com, but that's down right now...
[00:23:34] <palowoda> diogo: Try SXCE in the text mode install and file a RFE with the opensolaris version.
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[00:24:45] <alanc> google cache has a copy at http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:HWbwB6vAfQQJ:blogs.sun.com/sch/entry/indiana_vesa_if_you_need&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
[00:25:10] <diogo> well... the main idea is that I test the livecd to see if its a good choice the stable version I couldn't get network because both of my cards either wireless and wired are broadcom (on linux b44 wired and b43 wireless)..
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[00:25:57] <palowoda> Wireless broadcom support on solaris?
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[00:26:49] <diogo> well wireless broadcom is supposed to work with ndiswrapper...
[00:27:07] <palowoda> but ndis isn't really supported on any versions of solaris is it?
[00:27:16] <diogo> but it seems that the wired broadcom would work with some trick
[00:28:02] <palowoda> SF tried to make tricks legal.  Didn't work at too well.
[00:28:05] <diogo> dont know! I'm a linux user for 8 years and got stuck with some bugs so I'm changing plataform
[00:28:33] <palowoda> I'd change hardware.
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[00:29:02] <flip> hey can anyone tell me the quick way to connect a usb disk to an opensolaris box.. the relevant articles on google seem to be hosted on sun.com which for me for some reason
[00:29:04] <diogo> laptop can't change it and don't have moner for it
[00:29:05] <flip> seem to be down.
[00:29:45] <alanc> flip: *.sun.com & *.opensolaris.org websites are unreachable due to network problems right now
[00:29:51] <palowoda> Some hardware vendors have really screwed up relations with Sun or anybody associated with Sun or opensolaris.  Broadcom is a winner there.
[00:30:03] <flip> alanc: ahh :F
[00:30:11] <flip> anyone in here wanna just tell me how to do it?
[00:30:25] <diogo> hauahua would ATI be another? because my video card is ATI :(
[00:30:28] <alanc> the quick way is to plug it in and let the removable media automatic mounting code handle it
[00:30:47] <flip> alanc: i did that.. it doesnt seem to be mounting it anywhere (no change in df)
[00:31:06] <alanc> diogo: Sun has much better support arrangements with Intel & Nvidia for graphics than ATI, though ATI has gotten better since AMD bought them
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[00:33:35] <palowoda> AMD might be a buy right now.
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[00:35:07] <diogo> well I do know one thing... I need stability and usability linux is not giving me stability... so I'm searching new... people said solaris is very stable... so lets see
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[00:37:45] <r0bbk1dd> diogo: In what way was Linux not stable for you?
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[00:38:13] <bigjohnto> robbk1dd, any system once setup correctly, becomes stable....
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[00:38:21] <bigjohnto> save windows that is :)
[00:38:34] <r0bbk1dd> bigjohnto: That's kinda where I was going with the question ...
[00:38:36] <diogo> well I'm an architect and I use blender gimp and etc... the system it self could get along with it self.. it just don't seem right
[00:38:38] <flip> i plugged in the usb disk.. but i see nothing in df about it :F
[00:38:45] <flip> where is the log that would show if it was recognized?
[00:38:57] <diogo> like ubuntu... ram consumer... so I can't get enough ram for my gimp editions
[00:39:04] <bigjohnto> punch out time :)..... time to go eat steak ciao all
[00:39:10] <diogo> or fedora... crashes all the time and you don't know why...
[00:39:18] <bigjohnto> diogo, rhel is awesome :)
[00:39:19] <r0bbk1dd> diogo: "The system itself could [not?] get along with itself" is impossible to troubleshoot.
[00:39:26] <diogo> gentoo you compile compile compile and it just doesn't work
[00:39:41] <dthsqd> diogo: You can always opt out for XFCE instead of Gnome
[00:39:43] <bigjohnto> diogo, oh and you think solaris is a walk in the park?
[00:39:46] <r0bbk1dd> Oh, good god, not Gentoo.
[00:39:48] <bigjohnto> heh
[00:39:52] <gleaken> is all of sun's web presence down?
[00:39:58] <r0bbk1dd> gleaken: Yup.
[00:40:03] <diogo> well... rhel might be good but centos which is a perfect copy... is not compatible with my laptop need newer kernel...
[00:40:07] <palowoda> So is the stock market.
[00:40:14] <diogo> I use xfce instead of gnome
[00:40:15] <flip> good one.
[00:40:32] <dthsqd> If you really really want stability
[00:40:35] <dthsqd> there is debian
[00:40:36] <bigjohnto> diogo, all i know is compilation issues can be solved,
[00:40:46] <dthsqd> Their software is so old : )
[00:40:54] <bigjohnto> and if you want to see if solaris would solve these compilation issues, you could always download sunstudio for linux
[00:40:55] <r0bbk1dd> diogo: There are ways to fix these problems with Linux without making the move to Solaris.  If it's hardware compatibility with your laptop that is an issue, Solaris will probably not make your life any easier.
[00:41:16] <dustman> diogo: you'll have even greater ram problem with opensolaris
[00:41:23] <diogo> ok then thx for your opinion....
[00:41:26] <bigjohnto> sun studio 12 for linux is actually quite useful for quick tests and checks
[00:41:35] <gleaken> The Network Is The Computer, hmmm, the network must be running on a eeePC right about now, heh
[00:41:42] <bigjohnto> diogo and its free
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[00:42:03] <diogo> then I might search on bsd world or check better the linux one..
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[00:42:18] <r0bbk1dd> dustman: Yea, what's up with that?  I'm new to OpenSolaris.  I install to a virtual machine and a fresh install has gobbled up something like 600MB of RAM.
[00:42:20] <bigjohnto> me personally if its not centos or rhel, i don't use it....
[00:42:26] <flip> so anyone at all any idea about using a removeable usb drive w/ solaris??
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[00:42:29] <bigjohnto> other than solaris :)
[00:42:32] <dthsqd> Debian is always old and stable
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[00:42:43] <diogo> ok then... thx
[00:42:46] * r0bbk1dd is a Debian and Ubuntu fan.
[00:42:46] <bigjohnto> have to agree with that
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[00:42:55] <bigjohnto> flip, mount unmount?
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[00:43:21] <flip> bigjohnto: i dont know the dev name --- df or mount dont show it... ive been googling but *sun.com is down so all the docs are pretty much unreachable :F
[00:43:25] <flip> was looking for some insight here
[00:43:28] <r0bbk1dd> flip: You said the "df" output did not appear any different.  What does "mount" say?
[00:43:35] <r0bbk1dd> Ah.
[00:43:37] <flip> the same.
[00:43:56] <bigjohnto> df isn't going to show anything because its not mounted
[00:43:57] <Triskelios> flip: should normally automount if you're using a desktop, otherwise use rmmount
[00:44:05] <gleaken> r0bbk1dd: any idea on what the outage is for or how long it may be?
[00:44:12] <bigjohnto> like what triskelios said
[00:44:14] <flip> actually i was in cli
[00:44:15] <bigjohnto> :)
[00:44:22] <flip> rebooting though to see if i can get my desktop back
[00:44:22] <r0bbk1dd> gleaken: Nope.  I just read the channel topic.
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[00:44:59] <r0bbk1dd> gleaken: That sounded smart-assier than I intended.
[00:45:12] <r0bbk1dd> ... which apparently doesn't matter.
[00:45:19] * r0bbk1dd sighs.
[00:45:51] <r0bbk1dd> flip: Also see if "dmesg" reports anything after USB insertion.
[00:46:16] <tsoome> all usb dev files are in /dev/usb anyhow
[00:46:39] <Triskelios> flip: that usually isn't something you'd need to reboot for
[00:46:47] <r0bbk1dd> tsoome: That's just too logical.
[00:46:57] <tsoome> but if itsnot mounted automatically by volume management, its not usable;)
[00:47:12] <tsoome> at least not in *that* usb port anyhow
[00:47:38] <flip> ok
[00:47:39] <tsoome> they tend to put ntfs on those sticks todays, if so, you are out of luck
[00:47:40] <flip> dmesg shows it
[00:47:42] <flip> inserted
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[00:47:52] <flip> tsoome: ill format it i dont care
[00:48:07] <Triskelios> flip: check rmformat/rmmount
[00:48:10] <flip> tsoome: its a 1tb iomega disk.. and i need to backup my home dir before i remove the hard drives on this box
[00:48:19] <Triskelios> oh, that's almost certainly ntfs
[00:48:21] <flip> Triskelios: dmesg showed it inserted... nothing still in mount or df
[00:48:25] <palowoda> Do they really put ntfs on usb sticks these days?
[00:48:27] <flip> oh its definately ntfs
[00:48:33] <flip> oh yea there all ntfs
[00:48:38] <flip> everone i get from work is @ least
[00:48:43] <flip> iomega, lexar, kingston
[00:48:44] <flip> all ntgs
[00:48:44] <Triskelios> palowoda: not usually, but almost always on external drives
[00:48:47] <flip> ntfs*
[00:49:18] <flip> rmformat shows it
[00:49:30] <Triskelios> just zpool create on the sucker. if you need to copy data off first, FSWfsmisc gives you read-only ntfs
[00:49:36] <tsoome> i have seen ppl walking arouns with ntfs on sticks and  as king  like howcome you cant access it:D
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[00:51:41] <flip> can i mount it as ntfs?
[00:51:45] <flip> does solaris have ntfs support?
[00:51:47] <Triskelios> I'm fortunate that 99% of the time drives w/ ntfs have been plugged into my laptop has been to play movies and stuff
[00:51:59] <flip> can i format it as ufs? so that i can then plug it into my mac and just copy off the stuff?
[00:52:08] <Triskelios> flip: see my sentence before last
[00:52:19] <flip> ok.
[00:53:18] <r0bbk1dd> MacOS reads ZFS?
[00:53:28] <flip> it can.but i said ufs
[00:53:45] <tsoome> solaris ufs and bsd ufs aint the same;)
[00:53:55] <r0bbk1dd> How about the universal crappy FS: FAT?
[00:53:55] <flip> ok... scp i guess it is then
[00:53:56] <Triskelios> r0bbk1dd: yup, writes now too...
[00:54:04] <r0bbk1dd> Trikselios: Sweet!
[00:54:08] <Triskelios> zfs is actually the best option
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[00:54:18] <tsoome> just tar on rdev and thats itD:
[00:54:19] <bigjohnto> flip is all this just to copy files?
[00:54:25] <flip> bigjohnto: yes.
[00:54:33] <tsoome> would be brilliant:D
[00:54:37] <flip> 126gb of files.
[00:54:39] <bigjohnto> scp localfile user@remotemachine:/localtion/of/file
[00:54:42] <flip> but yes... its just to copy files
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[00:54:51] <bigjohnto> if an entire dir
[00:54:52] <bigjohnto> man scp
[00:54:59] <flip> i already know.
[00:55:00] <bigjohnto> there you go
[00:55:02] <r0bbk1dd> alanc: Sites are back up?
[00:55:06] <flip> sun.com returns woohooo
[00:55:14] <alanc> I can get to www.opensolaris.org & dlc.sun.com at least
[00:55:16] <Triskelios> blogs is back too
[00:55:21] <r0bbk1dd> Horrah!
[00:55:23] <bigjohnto> scp -R bla remoteuser@machine:/bladir
[00:55:40] <Triskelios> (I only just realised I had a tab open on a blogs page =P)
[00:55:57] <alanc> haven't seen an update from IT beyond that there were networking problems at the colo facility they were working with the colo people on
[00:55:59] * r0bbk1dd can get back to updating.
[00:56:04] <Triskelios> bigjohnto: I think everyone listening already knows how to use scp
[00:56:06] <bigjohnto> flip or just make a perl script and do some crazy automation :)
[00:56:27] <r0bbk1dd> alanc: I stand by my "colo tech tripped on a wire" theory, then.
[00:56:29] <bigjohnto> Triskelios, yea i know just thought would be as helpful as I sadly can be to flip
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[00:57:11] <palowoda> One wonders why Sun has to depend on colo.
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[00:57:28] <Triskelios> I don't think they do?
[00:57:55] <Triskelios> this was probably indicative of a much larger failure
[00:57:59] <alanc> I'd guess it's lots of bandwidth for cheaper than running a fat pipe out to a Sun data-center
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[00:58:30] <palowoda> Where are the DNS servers for Sun and where are the Servers located?
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[00:59:01] <alanc> I don't know about DNS - the web servers and such are at 365 Main
[01:00:31] <palowoda> Ah they must have outsourced the sun.com servers too.
[01:03:42] <r0bbk1dd> Er ... while updating build 86, "pfexec dpkg install entire at 0 dot 5.11-0.86" returns "No updates available for this image."  Is that correct?
[01:04:13] <r0bbk1dd> Or rather: ... to be expected?
[01:04:26] <palowoda> .86 is kind of old.
[01:04:42] <comay> r0bbk1dd, yes it's likely to be the case
[01:04:47] <r0bbk1dd> Well, that's the build on the ISO I downloaded.
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[01:04:56] <comay> the iinstructions specify running that so you get the latest version
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[01:05:14] <r0bbk1dd> comay: OK.  Just wanted to confirm before continuing.
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[01:07:13] <palowoda> I guess real men don't read instructions anymore.
[01:07:29] <purserj> anymore?
[01:07:39] <palowoda> What ever.
[01:07:47] * r0bbk1dd shrugs.
[01:07:50] <purserj> you're implying that "Real Men(tm)" ever read the instructions
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[01:10:20] <palowoda> Actually I'm implying "Fake Men(tm)" use a MAC. :)
[01:10:53] <r0bbk1dd> Is that like being a Fake Virginian?  I'm apparently one of them as well.
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[01:19:17] <timeless> alanc, for kicks, i tossed up http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/os/
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[01:26:23] <_DeepBlue> did you realize a problem in sun.com ?
[01:26:41] <r0bbk1dd> They're back up.
[01:26:45] <_DeepBlue> aha
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[01:32:41] <timeless> rather, not a one thing, but how to get a decent directory of all things
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[01:35:43] <alanc> timeless: cool, though searching says "** Fatal: No cross reference database is available for "os-onnv-gate" please complain to the webmaster [cite: xref]"
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[01:36:18] <alanc> can get a list of repos from opengrok, though it mixes hg & svn together
[01:36:38] <alanc> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/
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[01:37:19] <timeless> yeah, that one's building
[01:37:31] <timeless> if you switch from 'ident' to 'text' it'll work
[01:37:46] <timeless> i'm using http://opensolaris.org/sc/src/ atm to find things
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[01:38:13] <c00p> man my zfs send from yesterday (AU time) is still going - dam right it's slow :(
[01:38:34] <c00p> 1.14t has been copied of 1.6t in 9 hours ...
[01:38:41] <alanc> cool, can watch the hits come in as it finds it (ajaxy)
[01:39:03] <timeless> it cheats, it's actually web 1.1, not web 2.0
[01:39:05] <timeless> but yes :)
[01:39:35] <timeless> actually ident doesn't do that atm, although it's trivial to fix, it's on my todo list
[01:40:08] <timeless> you should be able to use ident on sfw
[01:40:25] * timeless suspects that's one of the bigger repos outside of on/onnv
[01:41:50] * alanc suspects if you unpacked all the tarballs in sfw it would be many times larger than onnv
[01:42:08] <timeless> oh is sfw all tarballs?
[01:42:17] <e^ipi> it also takes a heck of a lot longer to build than ON
[01:42:22] <timeless> some of my mxr's extract tarballs as part of the source collection policy
[01:42:40] <alanc> I thought it was mostly tarballs from upstream, with local patches and all the makefiles & package definitions to build them
[01:42:50] <timeless> i didn't actually look
[01:43:02] <timeless> i was lazy and just pulled w/ hg and ran the simple index commands
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[01:47:32] <coffman> hmpf
[01:47:42] <coffman> vbox crashed and i cant kill it
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[01:57:38] <r0bbk1dd> n00b question: After doing an image-update on this snv_86 install, I've got three entries in GRUB: snv_86, opensolaris-1 (BE made for update) and snv_101a.  Is opensolaris-1 just temporary?  Should I boot off of 101a?
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[01:58:38] <CIA-34> WENTAO YANG <Wentao.Yang at Sun dot COM>: 6747464 NIU HybridIO needs stats to reflect the assignment and traffic
[01:58:38] <CIA-34> Susan Scheufele <Susan.Scheufele at Sun dot COM>: 6770897 need an empty SUNWmrsas package in s10 update for patching later
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[02:11:58] <codestr0m> for those of you which can do something. the connection from US servers to sun.com looks good. I'm still having some intermittent issues from EU servers though
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[02:18:18] <dclarke> has anyone installed s10u6 with ZFS boot on a machine that does mpxio yet?
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[02:19:22] <dclarke> guess not ..
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[02:20:30] <HSP11> hi all
[02:20:39] <dclarke> g'day
[02:21:04] <HSP11> can i ask dumb question: ... jus installed OS on a new machine but having some problems
[02:21:22] <Atomdrache> So what's the question?
[02:21:52] <HSP11> I had put in root password and also the userid/name but decided to leave the password for the userid blank ... it allowed that
[02:22:16] <HSP11> but now I can't login with it ... says: " Roles can only be assumed by Authorized users"
[02:22:42] <HSP11> asking for a password to my userid when I have none specified ... It should have caught that during the install :)
[02:23:20] <HSP11> i'm a windows person and wanted to build a 4x1TB Sata Raid with it
[02:23:51] <HSP11> how do login as a root user ... or get out of this login screen
[02:25:13] <throwt> hmm, since root is a role i dont think you can log in.  in my limited knowledge, i would boot into the failsafe, moutn root on /a, then give myself a password
[02:26:06] <dep> HSP11: that's a known problem, unfortunately
[02:26:19] <dep> When a user is created, root is made a role
[02:26:29] <HSP11> ic
[02:26:48] <HSP11> should i reboot then
[02:26:50] <dep> You should be able to su to root from the user you created
[02:26:53] <dep> *but*
[02:27:05] <HSP11> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[02:27:19] <HSP11> or just RESET Switch ?
[02:27:36] <dep> the installer let you create the user without a password, but the system doesn't let you log in as a normal user without a password.  It's a catch-22.
[02:27:43] <HSP11> hope they have fixed it the new upcoming release :)
[02:28:00] <HSP11> yup .... that's the funny thing
[02:28:07] <dep> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE might be sufficient... if you can get to the text login, you should be able to log in as the normal user.
[02:28:25] <HSP11> hmmm.. how do i do that
[02:28:46] <yksinaisyyteni> hmm, the priority of the IPS bug where it deletes your entire /etc by mistake got downgraded
[02:29:03] <dep> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE will kill the xserver (don't know if it works at the login screen... worth a shot).  Then type fast when you see the "console login: " prompt :)
[02:29:38] <yksinaisyyteni> gdm doesn't have a console login option?
[02:29:57] <dep> yksinaisyyteni: nope :(
[02:30:06] <timeless> alanc: fwiw the os-on root is now indexed (os-onnv-gate is still working, and i'm splitting cycles grabbing a bunch of other repos)
[02:30:07] <HSP11> it won't let me break it ...
[02:30:24] <dep> If that doesn't work, you can boot single-user mode.
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[02:30:35] <dep> Add '-s' to the boot options in grub.
[02:30:42] <HSP11> ok ... how does one do that ?
[02:30:56] <HSP11> from where I am right now you mean ... without hard reset
[02:31:04] <dep> That would require a hard reset.
[02:31:19] <HSP11> ok here goes ... :)
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[02:34:04] * timeless wonders how to use this .patched target from SFW
[02:34:09] <HSP11> it's rebooting with that -s command
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[02:42:11] <HSP11> using -s option didn't help during bootup
[02:42:34] <dep> What happened?
[02:42:46] <HSP11> same screen as before
[02:43:18] <HSP11> when it's doing the normal bootup process ... it asks for userid and then password
[02:43:28] <dep> You got the login screen after booting w/ -s?
[02:43:30] <HSP11> which i never specified during install
[02:43:40] <HSP11> yup ...
[02:43:59] <HSP11> i just choes the top grub choice and added -s to it ...was that wrong ...
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[02:45:27] <dep> You want to edit the default grub choice (not necessarily the top... might be on a fresh install though), but within that I *think* it's the second line (there should be three total) that you want to add the -s to.
[02:45:41] <HSP11> this is what i'm about to do:  ... rebooting ... Now I am editing the only choice that is there
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[02:45:55] <HSP11> SNV_86a x86
[02:46:03] <dep> I have it running in virtual box... let me check
[02:46:20] <dep> So you want to hit e to edit the correct boot selection... there appears to be only one.
[02:46:43] <dep> On the next screen, I think you want to modifiy the line that starts with kernel$
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[02:46:44] <HSP11> or should I go into command line here and change the role
[02:46:57] <dep> Wait, you're at the command line?
[02:47:01] <HSP11> ok ...
[02:47:12] <dclarke> anyone know if ZFS automagically does mpxio ? multipath IO ?
[02:47:27] <HSP11> I am asking if I should just hit the c for command line ?
[02:47:40] <dclarke> because stmsboot -e  seems to really not fly with Solaris 10 u6
[02:47:41] <HSP11> I was going to do what you asked about editing the line first
[02:47:48] <timeless> .hgtags@d6eedcd2369f, line 52: tag 'onnv_69' refers to unknown node
[02:47:51] <dep> ah, in grub.  no, you don't want to go into the grub command line
[02:47:51] <timeless> ??
[02:48:08] <HSP11> dep: ok ...
[02:49:35] <HSP11> i have added to the kernel line ... that is
[02:49:57] <dep> good; that should work
[02:50:01] <dep> before you reboot, though
[02:50:04] <HSP11> ...\unix _D $ZFS-BOOTSFS -s
[02:50:12] <dep> do you get a progress bar when booting?
[02:50:48] <HSP11> yes it goes through some steps to something 139 or similar to it ...
[02:51:52] <dep> is this a graphical progress report?  If so, you might have to do something else to turn that off.  If it's a text-only boot until you get to the graphical login screen, what you've done so far should be sufficient.
[02:52:24] <HSP11> deb:  I have three lines ... i edited the kernel$ (which is the middle )  do I hit b to boot from that one
[02:52:43] <dep> Yes.
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[02:52:49] <HSP11> ok
[02:54:51] <HSP11> dep: i'm in command line or console .. it asked me for the root password and I typed it in and now what do I do make that change so that the userid has a passowrd now
[02:55:19] <HSP11> set password so that this user can login properly ...
[02:55:22] <dep> To change the user's password, you can run 'passwd username'
[02:55:47] <HSP11> btw ... what I wanted to do was to build this RAIDz2 with 4 drives in this system ... but I got hung in this step
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[02:56:55] <pumpkin> raidz2 with 4 drives? :o
[02:57:33] <dep> To make root no longer a role, I think you can do 'rolemod -K type=normal root'
[02:57:36] <HSP11> what should i do ..
[02:57:40] <dep> (assuming you want to do so)
[02:57:45] <Ouroboros> what is the correct way to restore part of a zfs snapshot such that no additional space is used?
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[02:57:54] <HSP11> i was going to add to more once they were here
[02:58:33] <Ouroboros> for example if /foo/bar was modified: rm -rf /foo/bar; cp -rp /foo/.zfs/snapshot/foo@baz/bar /foo ?
[02:58:37] <Ouroboros> this seems to duplicate the data
[02:58:39] <CIA-34> Christopher Baumbauer - Sun Microsystems - San Diego United States <Christopher.Baumbauer at Sun dot COM>: 6743289 nevada b95 build fails - illegal use of ldx instruction
[02:59:31] <HSP11> pumpkin: what do you suggest for putting together these 4x 1TB drives
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[02:59:41] <Ouroboros> also i got my first zfs kernel panic today, i am so proud...
[02:59:49] <pumpkin> why raidz2 and not two mirrors?
[03:00:04] <pumpkin> raidz2 on so few drives seems strange
[03:00:13] <pumpkin> but maybe it makes more sense, I dunno
[03:00:32] <mns> What is the format for the /etc/net/ticlts/hosts file ?  Is it
[03:00:32] <mns>     just "FQDN  FQDN"  or is it like the regular /etc/hosts file and I can do something like "FQDN  FQDN HOST" ?
[03:00:35] <jamesd> pumpkin, raidz2 is safer because you can loose any 2 of the drives, where a  mirror+0 could loose data on the loss of the wrong 2 drives.
[03:00:42] <pumpkin> ah, true
[03:01:20] <dep> mns: I don't think we use those files any more.
[03:02:14] <mns> dep:  What about Solaris ?  Or that doesn't use them either ?
[03:03:02] <dep> Well, I'm behind the times and using build 98 of nevada on my desktop, and there it says "This file is no longer consulted and may be removed from a future release of Solaris."
[03:03:42] <dep> So for all I know, the file doesn't even exist on opensolaris :)
[03:03:48] <HSP11> pumpkin:  i was going to add 2 more drives to bring the total usable space to 4TB
[03:03:54] <dep> If it does, we certainly haven't started using it again.
[03:03:58] <pumpkin> HSP11: how?
[03:04:05] <pumpkin> oh you mean before setting it up
[03:04:09] <pumpkin> cause you can't add to a raidz
[03:04:14] <HSP11> have 4 HDDs now ...
[03:04:26] <HSP11> add to more later and was going to just add to the RAIDz2
[03:04:32] <pumpkin> you can't
[03:04:37] <HSP11> would hmmm...
[03:04:44] <pumpkin> I'm actually in the same situation
[03:04:48] <pumpkin> I'd like to make a raidz2
[03:04:48] <HSP11> you have to do it all at once
[03:04:51] <pumpkin> but only have 4 disks right now
[03:04:53] <dep> mns: My build 100 indiana box says the same thing
[03:04:57] <pumpkin> so I'm probably just going to do raidz 3+1
[03:05:00] <mns> dep: well that's good to know.
[03:05:14] <Ouroboros> HSP11: you will be able to add 4 at a time
[03:05:29] <Ouroboros> HSP11: this of stacking vertically rather than horizontally
[03:05:44] <HSP11> ic what you mean
[03:06:18] <Ouroboros> anyone on proper way to restore from zfs snapshots? (besides using rollback that is)
[03:06:19] <HSP11> I was hoping to get extra redundancy with double parity
[03:06:58] <HSP11> Does it make sense then to wait until I have all six drives and then make a RAIDz2
[03:07:12] <Ouroboros> probably
[03:07:28] <mns> dep: I checked and you are correct.  On my Solaris 10 system it says the same thing.  I guess this is a Solaris 9 thing.  I'm still stuck dealing with it, since all my systems are Solaris 9 systems.  :(
[03:07:34] <HSP11> as it stands there is no way to expand the RAIDz2 once I have assigned 4 drives to it...
[03:07:44] <HSP11> I was under the impression that I could do that
[03:08:08] <Ouroboros> no, and that is not likely to be supported (ever)
[03:08:41] <HSP11> so that is why they have 'grouping'
[03:08:48] <HSP11> just do it in groups
[03:09:05] <dep> mns: sorry it's such an annoyance.  All I can say is that is why we ripped it out.
[03:11:50] <mns> dep: I can understand.
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[03:13:36] <mns> All I wanted to do was take an existing system "host-sol-abc"  and make it appear to be like "hostsolabc"  to certain local applications (minus the "-").  I made some changes, but automount/NFS seem to hang now.  life is always complicated.
[03:14:19] <Ouroboros> tell me about it
[03:15:02] <Ouroboros> so is there no way to restore part of a snapshot without using rollback and such that no data is duplicated?
[03:15:53] <Ouroboros> the reason i dont want to rollback is of course because i want to keep the intermediate snapshots
[03:16:33] <HSP11> dep: thanks ... I was able to go into it and make the changes and add the password to the userid
[03:16:42] <HSP11> dep: help much appreciated !
[03:18:15] <dep> you're welcome!  glad I could help
[03:19:14] <HSP11> i just learned something that was an assumption on my part:  That I am not allowed to expand any RAIDz2 group by just adding more disks
[03:19:45] <pumpkin> didn't I say that earlier? :P
[03:20:14] <Ouroboros> err, i think we went over this part
[03:20:21] <HSP11> it is a rigid RAID ... reason i ask ... I have 4 disks and waiting for 2 more ... I was going to get started now by just making that RAIDz2 with 4 and was hoping to add two more later to that same group
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[03:20:49] <HSP11> I should just play with the system then :) ... thanks Pumpkin
[03:21:54] <HSP11> Do you think it's better just to have 3+1 ( I came from RAID5 ) ... and need this for image storage for photography
[03:22:02] <HSP11> and keep adding like that
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[03:22:31] <Ouroboros> no, the redundancy is way better with raidz2
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[03:23:49] <pumpkin> it is, but with 4 disks
[03:23:58] <pumpkin> I'd wait for the other two
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[03:24:01] <pumpkin> and then set up a raidz2
[03:24:03] <pumpkin> if I were you
[03:24:04] <Ouroboros> agreed
[03:24:15] <HSP11> Pumpkin: how much ram do you recommend ... I just have 1Gb could had 3 more
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[03:24:29] <pumpkin> at least 2 gigs I've heard
[03:24:30] <Ouroboros> zfs will cache in RAM, so the more the better
[03:24:31] <pumpkin> the more the better
[03:24:40] <pumpkin> mine has 8
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[03:24:51] <pumpkin> but I haven't turned it on yet :P
[03:25:16] <HSP11> all my work is done in windows...
[03:25:29] <pumpkin> and you're on a 32 bit processor?
[03:25:31] <pumpkin> no PAE?
[03:25:37] <HSP11> will there be any issues of communicationg the file system to Windows XP ?
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[03:25:57] <pumpkin> ?
[03:25:58] <HSP11> 64 I just bought a Sempron
[03:26:00] <pumpkin> oh
[03:26:14] <pumpkin> but there's no ZFS for windows :o
[03:26:22] <pumpkin> or you mean over a network?
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[03:27:01] <HSP11> pumpkin: ... I had a RAID5 built with 6x250GB Seagates 4 years ago ... lasted that long ...now it's dying :(
[03:27:08] <pumpkin> aw
[03:27:18] <HSP11> it was running under Linux and didn't require lots of horsepower ...
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[03:27:53] <sfuentes> does ssh encrypt all data?
[03:27:55] <HSP11> this is my "big-move" to a new OS that I know next to nothing ... but thanks to people like you and dep are so helpful here
[03:28:43] <HSP11> pumpkin: over the network only ... as I would like to have my workstation be able to store and access using GBit lan
[03:30:01] <pumpkin> ah
[03:30:03] <pumpkin> nfs? samba?
[03:30:07] <dthsqd> How is opensolaris on intel supermicro boards?
[03:30:19] <dthsqd> or tyan ones, intel chipset, no via
[03:30:32] <HSP11> used samba before ... i nfs better ?
[03:30:52] <HSP11> is it inlcuded in this 2008.05 build ? ( samba )
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[03:31:01] <Triskelios> nfs on windows is not very good, so I suggest smb/cifs
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[03:31:35] <HSP11> im not good on linux>> is that same as samba
[03:31:37] <Triskelios> the builtin cifs server in opensolaris is nicer than samba (samba tools are still useful)
[03:32:51] <HSP11> will I need to setup this before i can use it through cifs.
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[03:33:50] <HSP11> pumpkin:  since I just loaded the OS on the first SATA drive and the other 3 are just sitting there doing nothing ( that should not be a problem ) when I want to build the raidz2 ?
[03:34:30] <HSP11> Triskelios:  I will look into the cifs then ... thanks !
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[03:58:41] <CIA-34> Yu Wu - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Yu.Wu at Sun dot COM>: 6764428 Too many cross calls by megasas driver
[03:58:42] <CIA-34> fei feng - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Fei.Feng at Sun dot COM>: 6756493 wpi has no quiesce(), 6766785 iwh driver has no quiesce(), 6766787 during fast-reboot, iwi driver should not send out msg when HWCAP debug flag set
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[04:08:28] <dclarke> after looking over http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/ I see no reference to multipath IO for ZFS. Does anyone know at all if ZFS zpools can respect multipath devices ?
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[04:10:44] <jbk> if using mpxio, shouldn't be an issue -- iirc, all you see are the multipath devices
[04:11:06] <dclarke> I made the mistake of running stmsboot -e
[04:11:23] <dclarke> that resulkts in some nasty messages at boot for s10u6 with a mirrored zpool
[04:12:11] <dclarke> the root pool was two devices in a mirror but they use the same old fashioned path /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s0 and /dev/dsk/c1t1d0s0
[04:12:18] <dclarke> that is wrong
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[04:12:43] <dclarke> I removed those devices and then set the root pool to be /devices/scsi_vhci/ssd@g20000004cfa4d3a1:a and /devices/scsi_vhci/ssd@g20000004cfbfd4bd:a
[04:13:14] <dclarke> and # mpathadm list lu reports that those are multipath devices
[04:13:21] <dclarke> Total Path Count: 2
[04:13:24] <dclarke> Operational Path Count: 2
[04:13:29] <dclarke> that kinds of thing
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[04:13:54] <dclarke> however at boot .. I get grief even though the  zpool status -x reports all pools are healthy
[04:14:00] <tomww> hm. probably exporting & importing the pool just an idea...
[04:14:30] <dclarke> how does one export a root pool ?
[04:14:30] <coffman> morning
[04:14:35] <coffman> tomww: still up?
[04:14:55] <tomww> IIRC the pool remembers which devices have been in use, and first retries them when starting the first time
[04:15:02] <dclarke> in any case .. it feels like ZFS does not respect multipath devices
[04:15:16] <tomww> exporting... with failsafe?
[04:15:26] <tomww> coffman: I could ask you the same thing
[04:15:27] <dclarke> well heck .. I don't really see how to get rid of this nasty error message
[04:15:42] <coffman> tomww: heh
[04:15:44] <dclarke> I could net boot and then export the zpool
[04:15:48] <tomww> coffman: not yet back internally in my home timezone
[04:16:36] <dclarke> consider this http://rafb.net/p/b0eXES36.html
[04:17:14] <tomww> I'll go to bed now, dclarke good luck, coffman good n8!
[04:17:29] <dclarke> damn ..
[04:17:39] <dclarke> I need to put this in production and it boots ugly
[04:17:51] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/7EEx2398.html
[04:18:22] <dclarke> damm ...
[04:18:30] <dclarke> mount: Mount point cannot be determined
[04:18:31] <dclarke> ERROR: stmsboot: failed to mount the root filesystem.
[04:18:35] <dclarke> that is scary
[04:18:35] <tomww> what kind of messages are printed at boot ime?
[04:18:45] <dclarke> mount: Mount point cannot be determined
[04:18:53] <dclarke> lucy_rpool/ROOT/s10s_u6wos_07b was your root device,
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[04:19:13] <dclarke>  /scsi_vhci/ssd@g20000004cf9b63d0 (ssd12) multipath status: optimal, path /pci@9,600000/pci@1/SUNW,qlc@4/fp@0,0 (fp0) to target address: w22000004cf9b63d0,0 is online Load balancing: round-robin
[04:19:17] <dclarke> lots of that stuff
[04:19:48] <dclarke> in fact .. I'll reboot now
[04:19:56] <dclarke> system runsfine .. seems fine
[04:20:05] <dclarke> but at boot I get nasty messages
[04:20:20] <tomww> zpool iostat   shoul print traffic for very disk in the mirrors...
[04:20:50] <dclarke> it deos
[04:20:51] <dclarke> it does
[04:20:53] <dclarke> but
[04:20:54] <tomww> dclarke: good luck (I'll take the sleep runlevel for myself immediately :-) )
[04:21:05] <dclarke> I ran ptime mkfile -v 4096m 4gig
[04:21:10] <dclarke> and got 28MB/sec
[04:21:17] <dclarke> pretty bad for v880 hardware
[04:21:21] <dclarke> thanks for playing anyways
[04:21:31] <tomww> :-)
[04:22:32] <Chipdancer> dclarke: [root@amber ~]# ptime mkfile -v 4096m /massive/4gig
[04:22:32] <Chipdancer> real        2.959
[04:22:32] <Chipdancer> user        0.059
[04:22:33] <Chipdancer> sys         2.084
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[04:22:47] <dclarke> 2.9 secs ?
[04:22:54] <Chipdancer> yeah ;)
[04:23:06] <dclarke> I'm in deep trouble with this v880
[04:23:11] <dclarke> found the problem
[04:23:13] <dclarke> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6707555
[04:23:14] <Chipdancer> probably helps that the fs has set compression=on ;)
[04:23:22] <dclarke> oooh !
[04:23:25] <dclarke> cheater !
[04:23:29] <dclarke> try this
[04:23:32] * coffman slaps Chipdancer
[04:23:32] <Chipdancer> dclarke: hey, it really does improve performance!
[04:23:42] <dclarke> with an empty file .. yeah
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[04:23:43] <Chipdancer> coffman: oh, I knew before I pasted the results!
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[04:24:32] <dclarke> # dd if=/dev/urandom of=rand.dat bs=8192 count=1024
[04:24:54] <dclarke> that is random data and can not be easily compressed
[04:25:05] <coffman> well. urandom might be to slow
[04:25:11] <dclarke> we just need some more to make it outside of the block compresin algorith of ZFS
[04:25:14] <Chipdancer> oh, don't worry, I've just created a new zfs filesystem with compression=off specified
[04:25:19] <dclarke> okay
[04:25:32] <Chipdancer> ptime mkfile -v 4096m /massive/nocompress/4gig
[04:25:32] <Chipdancer> real       28.359
[04:25:32] <Chipdancer> user        0.059
[04:25:32] <Chipdancer> sys         2.130
[04:25:45] <dclarke> # ptime mkfile -v 4096m 4gig
[04:25:52] <dclarke> 4gig 4294967296 bytes
[04:25:56] <dclarke> its running
[04:26:50] <Chipdancer> hrmm.. 144MB/s not too bad.. but I'd like it a lot faster
[04:27:01] <Chipdancer> that's on a 12 spindle hardware raid6 volume
[04:27:38] <dclarke> this is 4 disks on dual fibre controllers in a 8-way v880
[04:27:42] <dclarke> still running
[04:28:00] <Chipdancer> dclarke: that's 4 disks for you
[04:28:10] <Chipdancer> what's the max sustained speed of a single spindle these days?
[04:28:25] <Chipdancer> dclarke: what speed are those spindles?  10kRPM?
[04:28:26] <coffman> depends
[04:28:30] <e^ipi> much faster than /dev/urandom.
[04:28:34] <Chipdancer> coffman: what's the acceptable range?
[04:28:58] <Chipdancer> 30MB/s?
[04:29:04] <Chipdancer> 70MB/s?
[04:29:20] <coffman> Chipdancer: well, a cheap sata drive gives you 70mb/s on bulk write
[04:29:27] <dclarke> real     2:19.528
[04:29:28] <dclarke> user        0.606
[04:29:30] <dclarke> sys        37.782
[04:29:40] <coffman> some do over 100mb/s
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[04:29:51] <dclarke> these are all 10krpm disks
[04:29:57] <dclarke> genuine Sun FCAL
[04:30:16] <Chipdancer> coffman: so, as I might expect, I should see significantly better than 144MBps on my 12 disks if they are direct attached and in raidz2 instead of this HW RAID6?
[04:30:18] <dclarke> # format -e
[04:30:19] <dclarke> Searching for disks...done
[04:30:21] <dclarke> No disks found!
[04:30:22] <dclarke> this is bad
[04:30:28] <dclarke> real real bad for s10u6
[04:31:03] <coffman> Chipdancer: depends, on what kind of disks you use, what kind of connection etc
[04:31:14] <coffman> any other workloads...
[04:31:18] <coffman> and so on
[04:31:24] <Chipdancer> coffman: basic system, SATA2, 7200RPM drives
[04:31:24] <dclarke> fresh install .. no other workloads
[04:31:38] <Chipdancer> coffman: for benchmarking purposes, zero workload
[04:32:38] <dclarke> Sun Fire 880, No Keyboard
[04:32:40] <dclarke> Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems, Inc.  All rights reserved.
[04:32:42] <dclarke> OpenBoot 4.22.34, 32768 MB memory installed, Serial #53259206.
[04:32:47] <dclarke> this is running like crap however
[04:33:04] <coffman> Chipdancer: atached via what? fc? or directly via sata? or sas? controller on pci, pci-x or pci-e?
[04:33:08] <FrostCS> "this is running like linux!"
[04:33:10] <Chipdancer> dclarke: I see your problem.. ou need more memory! ;)
[04:33:21] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: *cough* /usr/benchmarks/filebench
[04:33:23] <dclarke> 64GB needed ?
[04:33:49] <dclarke> 8-way 1.2GHz US-III
[04:33:58] <FrostCS> "No one will ever need more than 32GB of system memory!"
[04:34:10] <dclarke> you mean 640K
[04:34:14] <FrostCS> oh, we need to keep the gates quotes out of here...
[04:34:16] <coffman> dclarke: what kind of fc controller do you use?
[04:34:19] <FrostCS> yea, my err..
[04:35:00] <kohju> hi.
[04:35:24] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: thanks for pointing that out.. I wasn't aware that bonnie and filebench shipped with snv ;)
[04:35:29] <dclarke> coffman: http://rafb.net/p/SgQebJ14.html
[04:35:30] <Chipdancer> (I built bonnie last time I needed it)
[04:35:55] <dclarke> coffman: pure sun gear
[04:35:55] <e^ipi> if you just spew /dev/urandom on your disks, you are benchmarking out /dev/urandom
[04:36:03] <FrostCS> ohayo kohju ;-)
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[04:36:30] <kohju> FrostCS, ohayo (^-^)/~
[04:36:32] <dclarke> e^ipi: yes .. that is obvious .. but if you make a 8mb file from dev urandom and then concat it over and over .. it does notcompress
[04:36:50] <dclarke> okay .. I may have the issue solved .. maybe
[04:37:08] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: that must be something speshul in 102
[04:37:09] <coffman> dclarke: question was more like if that is the internal one, and if you have any fancy pci cards or so in you box
[04:37:19] <FrostCS> removed solaris u6?
[04:37:24] <dclarke> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6707555
[04:37:41] <dclarke> coffman: nope .. just Sun FCAL and Sun FC controllers in that v880
[04:37:53] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: nope, b97
[04:38:06] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: really?  that early?
[04:38:14] <e^ipi> yep
[04:38:25] <Chipdancer> had not seen it before today
[04:39:24] * coffman cant sleep
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[04:42:25] <dclarke> why would a bug be closed .. if it isn't fixed ?
[04:42:34] <dclarke> State   	 11-Closed:Verified (Closed)
[04:42:42] <flip> so the scp of all that data didnt work --- back to the external disk... can anyone help me w/ using a usb disk w/ opensolaris?
[04:42:51] <brendang> Chipdancer: ... out of interest, what have you used bonnie for in the past?
[04:42:56] <e^ipi> dclarke: plenty of reasons
[04:43:14] <Chipdancer> brendang: the obvious, really, performance testing of storage
[04:43:29] <Chipdancer> brendang: have been using probably for 10 years or more
[04:43:34] <e^ipi> guy that was supposed to fix it got RIF'ed, technology that the bug is about got irrelevant, etc
[04:43:34] <brendang> Chipdancer: what does bonnie tell the user?
[04:43:45] <dclarke> well this sucks like hell .. I fought with people to get a telco to go from Solaris 9 to Solaris 10 and to use ZFS and they want mpxio and the first thing I hit after install is that it doesn't bloody do what it is supposed to do and IO is really really bad
[04:44:12] <brendang> Chipdancer: (I'm interested in the perception of what it does...)
[04:44:14] <Chipdancer> brendang: read/write speeds at varying block sizes to a device
[04:44:34] <brendang> Chipdancer: ok, what can the results be used for?
[04:44:39] <Chipdancer> which, at least for me, has enabled things like performance tuning of file systems and raid sizes
[04:44:48] <Chipdancer> raid stripe sizes etc
[04:45:32] <brendang> Chipdancer: ok, yes, you could try different file system options and compare the difference in bonnie, that should work
[04:45:51] <Chipdancer> brendang: what's your take?
[04:46:03] <brendang> Chipdancer: do you tune the file size when using bonnie?  if so, what rules do you use?
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[04:46:41] <Chipdancer> brendang: no, not currently
[04:46:47] <Chipdancer> and not since moving to zfs
[04:47:01] <Chipdancer> brendang: these days, on solaris, I'm using it more as a raw performance guage
[04:47:42] <brendang> Chipdancer: my current take is that bonnie is fine if you understand what it is measuring - but I'd like to know what people think it measures
[04:48:02] <Chipdancer> brendang: so.. what does it measure, and what do most people seem to think it measures?
[04:48:12] <brendang> Chipdancer: ... I'm also probably meeting with the author tomorrow about it, hense the questions...
[04:48:25] <Chipdancer> brendang: which author? ;)
[04:48:28] <brendang> Chipdancer: of bonnie
[04:48:35] <Chipdancer> the original author?
[04:48:41] <brendang> Chipdancer: oh - the original bonnie - Tim :)
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[04:48:45] <Chipdancer> good! :D
[04:48:53] <Chipdancer> I'd be frightened if you were meeting with Russell ;)
[04:49:08] <Chipdancer> and afraid for your sanity!
[04:49:44] <brendang> Chipdancer: so if you don't tune the size, and you are using the original bonnie, doesn't it use a 100 Mbyte file size by default?  in which case, it's only ever measuring cached file system response - not that from disk.
[04:50:05] <brendang> Chipdancer: which is fine if you know that that is what it is doing...
[04:50:06] <Chipdancer> sorry, I always make the file size more than large enough to avoid cache limits
[04:50:20] <Chipdancer> avoid/overfill
[04:50:33] <brendang> Chipdancer: ahh, ok.  twice client/server DRAM, something like that?
[04:50:40] <Chipdancer> usually more, but yea
[04:50:52] <pipes> hi folks, just to clarify there is no "gvim" package for OpenSolaris right now right? :)
[04:51:11] <Chipdancer> typically something like 20 or 30g
[04:51:21] <dclarke> pipes: what do you mean by gvim?  vim ?
[04:51:26] <brendang> Chipdancer: do you ever use it to find the limits from storage - eg, how fast your JBOD or server can go?
[04:51:32] <Chipdancer> dclarke: no, there is a x11 vim that's all pretty
[04:51:42] <dclarke> oh that ..
[04:51:49] <dclarke> people use that ?
[04:51:55] * dclarke wonders at that
[04:51:57] <Chipdancer> brendang: that's one of my primary uses these days
[04:52:21] <Chipdancer> brendang: and bonnie gives you ideas of different workloads (file sizes etc) and performance under those conditions
[04:52:27] <Chipdancer> dclarke: apparently it's really cool
[04:52:38] <Chipdancer> dclarke: I know vim does it, but I hear people like visual block marking with a mouse
[04:52:39] <dclarke> hrmm ...
[04:52:53] <brendang> Chipdancer: ok, so you could run Bonnie to compare storage options - eg, if Sun lent you one of the new 7000 series servers, you could use Bonnie to see how fast it goes?
[04:52:55] * Chipdancer prefers his console
[04:53:00] <dclarke> Chipdancer: so guys like me still using vi are just .. icky I guess
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[04:53:08] <Chipdancer> brendang: now there is a very good question.... ;)
[04:53:17] <pipes> dclarke, gnome / gtk vim configure option
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[04:53:19] <Chipdancer> brendang: I'd happilly test one if you sent one my way ;)
[04:53:40] <Chipdancer> brendang: it wouldn't really let you test real life examples due to caching etc
[04:53:42] <dclarke> pardon me .. I need to reinstall solaris 10 update 6 from scratch and run a quick mpxio test t osee if I can make a damned root pool that works better hthan this crap
[04:53:54] <brendang> Chipdancer: the specific question is if Bonnie can tell you how fast the entire system can perform - max write, read, random read, etc.  Or does it measure something else?
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[04:53:56] <pipes> dclarke, nothing wrong with vi ;) But when in Rome^WGnome...
[04:53:59] <Chipdancer> brendang: it's really only allowing you to test raw, hardware performance
[04:54:21] <Chipdancer> brendang: I don't think bonnie lets you measure much more than that, unless you tune it to work to certain cache sizes etc
[04:54:58] <Chipdancer> that said, even with bonnie doing lots of file performances testing, the SSDs in the new systems should still give a 50% cache benefit, right?
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[04:56:14] <brendang> Chipdancer: would you expect to see a 50% cache benefit from running Bonnie on a system with SSDs, for example?
[04:56:36] <brendang> expect/hope...
[04:56:52] <coffman> well, you guys can send me hardware if you like :P
[04:56:58] <brendang> :)
[04:57:00] <Chipdancer> brendang: I really don't know.. I've not tried it and have not got that type of system to test on....
[04:57:04] <coffman> we could use some for the ccc congress
[04:57:13] <dclarke> coffman: I'm swimming in it and can't get it to run very fast ..
[04:57:48] <Chipdancer> brendang: I'm not sure a bonnie test maxing out dram and flash would show much more than on a system without the flash
[04:57:51] * jamesd will accept any hardware to test and promises to run at least one benchmark on them each day untill they are obsolete then i will return them :-)
[04:58:02] <coffman> damm, i have a telefon inteview on friday for a job
[04:58:02] <Chipdancer> brendang: I would expect the flash to make significant difference in a normally running system though
[04:58:16] <brendang> Chipdancer: ok..  so based on what you know about Bonnie; I have a server which I know can deliver over 1 Gbyte/sec read, but bonnie shows reads cap at 250 Mbytes/sec.  might it be obvious what is wrong in this case?
[04:58:57] <e^ipi> artificial benchmarks only really test deltas
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[04:59:17] <e^ipi> is SSD faster than spinning disk... benchmark the spinning disk, benchmark the SSD, compare.
[04:59:30] <Chipdancer> brendang: possibly, but bonnie isn't so much a diagnostic tool as a raw performance in my experience
[04:59:30] <brendang> e^ipi: you mean, deltas between themselves?  that sounds like a wise comment.
[05:00:28] <brendang> Chipdancer: but this is raw performance - how fast can ZFS or ZFS over NFS deliver reads?
[05:00:40] <jamesd> brendang, i would run  iostat and mpsatat and see where the bottleneck is...   then of course dtrace could be used to take a  stack trace 1000 times a second and agregate it to see where its spending most of the time
[05:00:47] <e^ipi> so many stupid benchmarks like "we tested linux on a brand new 16 core xeon and solaris on an ultra2, linux was totally faster" ... benchmarks are retarded.
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[05:01:44] <Chipdancer> brendang: what if you have a major bottle neck in file creation over NFS on ZFS vs on ZFS alone?  Bonnie will probably indicate that somehow, but will not allow you to explicitly elicit that from its output...
[05:01:48] <dclarke> e^ipi: I took a ultra 2 and smacked a linux zealot with it and it knocked him out cold in one hit. took me five hits to an eeePC to do the same thing. The ultra2 is better
[05:02:01] <jbk> haha
[05:02:25] <dclarke> there is a benchmark to try
[05:02:33] <Chipdancer> brendang: how would you try to debug that difference?
[05:03:08] <jamesd> dclarke, of course some may loose... i bet there are people here that can't lift a fully loaded u2... they are a bit heavy.
[05:03:30] <brendang> Chipdancer: file creation?  I'd setup a filebench profile and use DTrace to see where the latency really is.
[05:04:00] <coffman> i can provide a perfect realworld benchmark
[05:04:01] <skullone> wont dtrace skew the results by running it?
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[05:04:53] <jamesd> skullone, depends on the work load but properly designed script should have minimal effect especaiily if the load is not cpu bound
[05:05:14] <brendang> Chipdancer: so.. Bonnie is (mostly) single threaded/process, and single client.  So it measures performance in terms of that.  It can't (and isn't designed to) measure maximum system performance - such as how fast can this system deliver NFSv3 period.  For that you need multiple clients and/or threads and/or processes.
[05:06:17] <brendang> Sun systems scale very, very well with increasing numbers of clients.  it's something that Bonnie can't measure.
[05:06:29] <dclarke> stupid question but I will ask anyways .. with the new s10u6 and a 32GB ram machine .. how much swap? 4GB ? more ?
[05:06:37] <skullone> is that how sun gets per-second performance measurements on the sun 7000?
[05:06:38] <brendang> Bonnie itself is fine - it does what it is supposed to do.  it's about understanding what it is measuring...
[05:06:57] <brendang> skullone: is what how?
[05:07:04] <skullone> dtrace
[05:07:21] <skullone> have you seen the sun 7000?
[05:07:49] <brendang> skullone: yes (I'm one of the Fishworks developers).  The Sun 7000 series uses both DTrace and kstat.
[05:08:24] <jamesd> skullone, no usually they average over time, or use  microaccounting that is builtinto the kernel there least favorite method would be dtrace
[05:08:26] <skullone> guess im talking to the right person  :D
[05:08:39] <brendang> kstat's are effectively free, performance wise, since the OS always collects them.  So they are used for raw statistics like NFS ops/sec.  DTrace is only used when the statistics get beyond what kstat can do.
[05:08:59] <skullone> brendang: we just ordered 3x 4540's before our sales rep told us about the 7000  ;(
[05:09:12] <brendang> skullone: unlucky!
[05:09:55] <skullone> though, i suppose the 7000's are much more expensive
[05:09:56] <Chipdancer> brendang: so are you hoping to convince Tim to put out a multi-threaded bonnie?
[05:10:01] <skullone> we got the x4540's for a steal
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[05:10:42] <jbk> i'm hoping when the netapps at work fall off maint that they look at the 7000s (or whatever is current then)... i guess it depends where it falls on gardner's magic quadrant
[05:11:05] <Chipdancer> so at what speed point does adding flash to a system begin to improve its performance?  and how do you measure that?
[05:11:09] * Chipdancer has to head out... back in a few hours...
[05:11:33] <skullone> im fairly noobish with solaris at the moment, and the boss expects magic after we just dropped serious cash on the 4540's... we'll see how quickly i can pick up solaris  ;)
[05:13:00] <jamesd> skullone, ZFS will make you look like a hero...  google  quickstart  zfs   and you will have it configured delvering  nfs/cifs/iscsi inside of a day complete with the equivalent of raid5/raid6 or raid1+0  serving data
[05:13:21] <brendang> Chipdancer: flash helps depending on workload.  random reads, or ODSYNC writes in particular.
[05:13:56] <skullone> jamesd: oh, ive gotten pretty familiar with it so far for intermediate tasks... had several dells with opensolaris installed testing out replication and such
[05:14:19] <skullone> weve retianed some local consultants for the project too
[05:15:13] <jamesd> unless you are doing some major complex active directory or ldap stuff the consultants are probably not needed and i might go as far to say a waste of money.
[05:15:16] <skullone> zfs-discuss and opensolaris-help have been great
[05:16:08] <skullone> no AD yet, but we will much more comfortable with support nearby
[05:18:00] <skullone> especially since were likely going to go with opensolaris, instead of solaris10 (for in-kernel cifs)
[05:19:36] <skullone> brendang: are kstat values currently exported via snmp by default?
[05:20:04] <skullone> say, we dont have 7000 storage, id like to still produce iops/sec, read/write bytes/sec, etc via cacti or other
[05:20:04] <jbk> no
[05:20:28] <jbk> kstats are mostly 'umm yeah, we don't want you to actually use them, don't look here'
[05:20:35] <skullone> hrm...
[05:20:57] <jbk> someone might actually do something useful with them
[05:20:58] <jbk> :)
[05:21:12] <skullone> does solaris support the net/ucd diskio mib?
[05:21:36] <skullone> i should try that next chance... ghetto 7000 stats
[05:21:43] <brendang> no.. the SNMP view of Solaris is based on stable counters.  which have common ground with kstat.  but kstat itself does have thousands of other counters that aren't as useful to customers, as those seen in SNMP.
[05:22:09] <brendang> skullone: Solaris has net-snmp - which includes MIB-II
[05:22:48] <jbk> i'm stil trying to find a decent snmp monitoring solution (mostly for metric collection, analysis, and graphing)
[05:22:53] <brendang> skullone: which diskio mib do you mean - the original MIB-II one?
[05:24:03] <skullone> just labeled UCD-DISKIO-MIB afaik
[05:24:15] <brendang> skullone: MIB-II diskio had shortcomings that wern't suitable for expressing ZFS share information on the 7000 series (especially since we reach Tbytes now), so I added a new MIB (called AK-MIB) to the 7000 series to cover ZFS shares, and other things.
[05:24:16] <skullone> jbk: i use cacti and zabbix for metric with good success
[05:25:15] <brendang> skullone: ahh - UCD-DISKIO-MIB -
[05:25:59] <skullone> i think its included in net-snmp as an optional compile time module
[05:27:10] <brendang> skullone: not what I was thinking of :)  ok, the MIB file for UCD-DISKIO-MIB is shipped with Solaris, not sure if it is enabled
[05:27:24] <jbk> hmm those look promising
[05:27:44] <jbk> as one of the other things i want to do is setup sea (aka net-snmp) to send out fault management traps
[05:29:45] <skullone> surprised you havent seen cacti... its pretty de-facto  :p
[05:30:23] <jbk> i've seen nagios, zenoss, opennms
[05:30:26] <brendang> doesn't look like UCD-DISKIO-MIB is on when Solaris sma is enabled
[05:30:31] <jbk> plus openview, netiq
[05:30:47] <skullone> brendang: can you query a running host with:
[05:31:35] <skullone> snmptable -v2c -c public localhost UCD-DISKIO-MIB:diskIOTable
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[05:31:48] <skullone> or whatever host and community you might have
[05:31:55] <skullone> if you have a snmp enabled host handy
[05:32:10] <brendang> skullone: ok, that does work for Solaris 10
[05:32:17] <brendang> skullone: oops -
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[05:32:28] <brendang> skullone: I mean Solaris nevada
[05:32:44] <brendang> skullone: it probably works on Solaris 10 too, same net-snmp distro
[05:33:00] <skullone> listed a nice table with device io stats since boot?
[05:33:24] <brendang> skullone: yep.. although the MIB said they were 32 bit values - so not so nice, but useful enough ;)
[05:33:59] <skullone> shrug, if the host has been up long enough itll be innacurate, but all im interested in is measuring deltas
[05:34:11] <brendang> skullone: so this is a key MIB you'd want from host (ie, one used by cacti, etc)?
[05:34:22] <brendang> from a host
[05:34:28] <brendang> skullone: yep
[05:34:36] <skullone> its a mib i currently employ on all my freebsd machines, yah
[05:34:55] <skullone> pretty handy, poor mans analytics
[05:35:21] <brendang> skullone: ok, I've added it to my todo list (need to get it enabled for the 7000 series)
[05:35:50] <skullone> does the 7000 series have any mibs similar with 64bit values?
[05:36:14] <brendang> skullone: we intended to ship with a basic collection of MIBs, and to add others as needs arise.
[05:36:24] <skullone> actually, that doesnt really matter, since the webgui has all of that graphed out already
[05:37:04] <brendang> yes - hence 'basic' - we'll enable MIBs if you really need them, but we want to encourage customers to use Analytics.
[05:37:35] <brendang> but if UCD-DISKIO-MIB:diskIOTable is standard for monitoring software, then it's the sort of basic MIB we need to enable
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[05:40:31] <skullone> where do i find the status of a bug report/rfe?
[05:41:02] <skullone> hrm actually i think i need a support contract to get to those areas, n/m
[05:41:22] <brendang> skullone: the 7000 series uses the same bug/rfe reporting system as solaris
[05:41:25] <yksinaisyyteni> skullone: bugs.opensolaris.org
[05:41:32] <yksinaisyyteni> skullone: but not all bugs are listed there, and it's sometimes out of date
[05:42:59] <skullone> ah nice, both bugs i was interest in were fixed looks like
[05:43:55] <skullone> 6333409 6418042.. i saw poor performance on large zfs receive operations... gotta update  :D
[05:44:16] <jbk> heh speaking of storage.. i was having a debate with a friend over the 7000 -- he feels they're overpriced and that SAN (i.e. block based) is better -- one of his arguments was that a SAN is more secure..
[05:44:41] <jbk> i just noticed an opensolaris project that indirectly implies his assumption is false
[05:45:04] <brendang> overpriced?  doesn't sound like he actually compared to the competition.
[05:45:05] <jamesd> brendang, any hints or tips on where and brands of ssd's to buy that are cheap and have good performance  with ZFS?
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[05:45:42] <jbk> i know -- from what i can tell, it's significantely cheaper than the compeitor you guys never name :)
[05:46:03] <skullone> jbk: weve talked with datadomain, bluarc, emc, netapp, etc... even if the 7000 has a premium over plain x4540's, itll still be heads cheaper than other sans
[05:46:17] <jbk> they're using IBM
[05:46:37] <brendang> jamesd: it's not a black art.  find out what its maximum 8k read IOPS is, and compare that.  one of the good things about SSDs is that they are consistant - if something is supposed to do 4000 8k IOPS, it does.  Unlike disks, which vary with due to mechanical factors.
[05:46:42] <skullone> and if you must present block level to your devices, theres iscsi in opensolaris  :D
[05:47:07] <jbk> there isn't.. just tradition and a lingering 'nfs is slow' perception
[05:47:10] <skullone> (though i'd like to see thin provioning iscsi support)
[05:47:22] <jbk> i thought you could
[05:47:28] <skullone> can you?
[05:47:30] <jbk> just have to teak a few of the zvol settings
[05:47:35] <jbk> err tweak
[05:47:45] <jbk> (i.e. don't set a reservation, do a quota instead)
[05:48:02] <brendang> nfs is slow?  We benchmark over 1 Gbyte/sec NFS read (yes, Gbyte - not Gbit) - that's not slow at all.  :)
[05:48:19] <yksinaisyyteni> brendang: with what workload?
[05:48:24] <brendang> streaming read
[05:48:29] <yksinaisyyteni> heh
[05:48:32] <brendang> multiple clients
[05:48:37] <skullone> but your iscsi device would need to grow the FS also, with ntfs it isnt usually pretty, but netapp has nice thin provisioning tools
[05:48:41] <yksinaisyyteni> our X4500s with random workloads couldn't even sustain 10MB/s on U5 without overload.. although U6 is much better there
[05:48:59] <jbk> on a switched ethernet, i would actually think nfs has the potential to be faster -- being higher level, there should be opportunities for optimization vs. a lower level protocol
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[05:49:15] <peedy> anyone around?
[05:49:16] <brendang> yksinaisyyteni: 10MB/s isn't very meaningful with random workloads - need to know the ops/sec instead
[05:49:56] <skullone> im some crappy P4's and lame Gbit nics and freebsd 6.2, i can sustain about 55-65MB/sec... also on a crappy LSI sata raid
[05:50:07] <peedy> Im looking for help replacing my boot drive
[05:50:15] <jbk> the one thing i do hope sun follows up with is a comparable suite of add-on tools (like snapdrive or snap manager for oracle or exchange)
[05:50:49] <skullone> id love to see some native exchange/ms sql database queuescing (sp) suport  :P
[05:51:01] <skullone> wow i cant spell
[05:51:57] <skullone> but, netapp charges 25k for those modules, after youve already bought the hardware
[05:52:07] <skullone> 25k per head often...  :\
[05:52:12] <jbk> not surprised
[05:52:12] <peedy> I want to replace my opensolaris boot drive with a bigger one, can anyone help?
[05:52:23] <skullone> peedy: what build?
[05:52:28] <peedy> 98
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[05:52:42] <brendang> skullone: we have nice thin provisioning - I don't know offhand what (or if) there are constraints with iSCSI luns
[05:52:52] <skullone> hrm.. does that support zfs mirror on 98?
[05:52:59] <brendang> skullone: yeah, something we wanted to avoid is the add-on license fees :)
[05:53:06] <peedy> i found some blogs where it talks about mirroring the rpool and detaching it then installing grub on it
[05:53:18] <peedy> yeah it supports mirror
[05:53:41] <Triskelios> should be pretty easy as long as grub cooperates
[05:53:57] <skullone> yah, youll have to mirror it, replace one drive with a larger one, scrub, make sure grub is correct, replace other drive and repeat... exact steps are failing me
[05:54:03] <peedy> can i just do a zpool replace?
[05:54:08] * brendang has gotta run... back later.
[05:54:14] <skullone> take care
[05:54:57] <peedy> i found this: http://blogs.sun.com/jkshah/entry/replacing_boot_disk_which_is
[05:55:32] <peedy> but what I am confused is after the new drive has the data on it I want to put it where the old drive was
[05:56:12] <peedy> old drive will be removed permanently
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[05:56:57] <skullone> you will revert back to single disk?
[05:57:01] <jamesd> peedy, you may be better off doing a full backup and starting over...  while everything is beleived to work it is considered beta so may bite you in the arse
[05:57:13] <peedy> yeah single disk in the end
[05:57:30] <skullone> im not sure you can downgrade like that really...
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[05:58:38] <CIA-34> Rodger Wilson <Rodger.Wilson at Sun dot COM>: 6769406 Need empty package for Solaris driver for new MPT 2.0 driver
[05:59:07] <peedy> can I use Symantec Ghost with zfs drives?
[05:59:37] <FrostCS> that made me giggle
[06:00:05] <skullone> i dont think ghost rcognizes ZFS, but you can try a bit-level copy (expect it to takes many dozens of hours, and be prepared for it not working)
[06:00:12] <jamesd>  dd fully supports  zfs drives ;-)
[06:01:07] <peedy> i also found this: http://darkstar-solaris.blogspot.com/2008/09/zfs-root-mirror.html
[06:01:40] <skullone> hrm... id like to try Exim on a large threaded niagara box with hundreds of thousands of deliveries an hour
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[06:02:12] <jamesd> i think the smc team at sun should be forced to use a sparc20 with quad 50mhz supersparc cpus and 128mb of ram...  perhaps then they will make smc usable.. i'm only giving them a quad cpu box so that they can make it scale...
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[06:02:46] <skullone> i never hear about smc
[06:02:50] <skullone> shrug...
[06:03:19] <jamesd> skullone, best to ignore it unless you are into S&M.. its an administration tool that does very little.
[06:03:40] <skullone> youre speaking of sun message center right?
[06:03:41] <skullone> heh
[06:03:51] <jamesd> solaris management console
[06:03:55] <skullone> ah
[06:04:30] <jbk> doesn't smc used wbem on the backend?
[06:04:38] <skullone> oh, guess its called sun one or something for their mailing stuff
[06:04:52] <jamesd> its not too bad on an opteron box... with 2.5ghz cpu... but on sparc its painful
[06:04:57] <jamesd> jbk, yes.
[06:05:07] <jbk> could that be the actual culprit?
[06:05:40] <jbk> wbem seems a bit heavyweight and overkill
[06:05:49] <jbk> from the last time i messed with it
[06:06:00] <jamesd> jbk, yes, but its more... bredan did a long blog on why its so slow... not sure how much of his list they fixed but its taking 5 minutes to start on a blade 1k
[06:06:13] <jbk> sounds right
[06:06:22] <jbk> well since it's java
[06:06:29] <skullone> sounds like novell consoleone  :\
[06:06:37] <jbk> there was a long-running java bug that should have resulted in some smackdowns
[06:06:50] <jbk> where all file i/o was done a byte at a time
[06:06:53] <jbk> at the syscall level
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[06:07:10] <jamesd> yeap...  that is the one of the bugs
[06:07:19] <jbk> that should be fixed with a newer jre
[06:07:39] <jbk> yeah, at one point i had written a tool that'd produce a nice excel spreadsheet (for mgmt) on patching compliance
[06:07:53] <jbk> and the only libs i could find for creating excel files on unix where in java
[06:08:01] <jbk> (there was a perl one, but wasn't that great)
[06:08:11] <jbk> and in the process of trying to figure out what it was so dog slow
[06:08:14] <jbk> i discovered that
[06:08:23] <jbk> found the offending code in the jre
[06:08:41] <jbk> then confirmed the File class was more a less a straight pass-through to read(2)/write(2)
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[06:08:56] <jbk> and wrote my own buffered io class on top of file so performance didn't suck :)
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[06:13:30] <yksinaisyyteni> jbk: that doesn't sound like a java bug.. shouldn't you be using bufferedfilereader?
[06:13:38] <yksinaisyyteni> / writer
[06:14:17] <jbk> yksinaisyyteni: in the older jres
[06:14:28] <jbk> all the buffering happened within the java classes
[06:14:41] <jbk> when they actually went to call down to the OS to do any sort of file i/o
[06:14:45] <jbk> it did it a byte at a time
[06:14:50] <jbk> (it's been fixed for a while)
[06:14:58] <jbk> but that was the the issue
[06:15:31] <jbk> all the buffering in the world in the jvm wouldn't do crap if it then destaged it to the os calling write(2) one byte at a time
[06:15:35] <jbk> :)
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[06:25:21] <skullone> i didnt know actuall sun engineers talked here..
[06:25:31] <skullone> i only lurked mostly, ill have to pay more attention
[06:25:39] <e^ipi> a handful do
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[06:27:59] <alanc> the rest of us are imaginary sun engineers
[06:28:35] * alanc is only a figment of a very twisted imagination
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[06:28:50] <skullone> sun roadies?
[06:28:53] <e^ipi> alanc, your own?
[06:29:21] <alanc> quite possibly - I am getting dangerously low on sleep & caffiene, who knows what I'll dream up next
[06:29:35] <e^ipi> you can be a figment of your own imagination
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[06:30:05] <e^ipi> the metaphysical & epistemological ramifications of that are pretty weird but it's possible
[06:30:53] <alanc> recursive hallucinations
[06:33:45] <e^ipi> "cogito ergo sum" ? nay, rene. cogito ergo cogitem sum.
[06:35:55] <e^ipi> ( don't study philosophy, it rots your brain making you incapable of feeling comfortable or happy ever again, leaving you a hollow shell of your former self )
[06:37:52] <purserj> I thought that was helpdesk
[06:39:11] <e^ipi> i studied philosophy while working helpdesk, which amplified the effect
[06:39:26] <purserj> I hear alcohol helps
[06:39:29] <e^ipi> it did
[06:39:41] <e^ipi> eventually you work up a tolerance though
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[06:43:07] <Ouroboro> still have not found the answer to this: the proper way to restore part of a snapshot (cp -rp is not it)
[06:44:09] <e^ipi> restore part of a snapshot?
[06:44:27] <jamesd> Ouroboro, clone it somewhere else and remove the parts you are not interested in.
[06:44:44] <e^ipi> or copy the files over from the snapdir
[06:44:50] <Ouroboro> here is an example:  rm -rf /foo/bar; cp -rp /foo/.zfs/snapshot/baz/bar /foo
[06:45:05] <Ouroboro> this works, but it doubles the space usage
[06:45:28] <Ouroboro> i want it to realize that i am *restoring* /foo/bar from the snapshot, so it should use no extra space
[06:45:34] <e^ipi> i dunno that you can do that
[06:45:37] <jamesd> you can rollback but that restores everything
[06:45:50] <Ouroboro> yeah, i dont realy like that, since i want to keep the intermediate snapshots
[06:46:00] <Ouroboro> its fine if there is no way to do it, i just wanted to make sure
[06:46:04] <Ouroboro> its only a few gigs anyway
[06:47:10] <Ouroboro> also, i managed to get a kernel panic from zfs today, is this normal/
[06:47:29] <Ouroboro> i think it happened because i copied too much stuff into /tmp which is swap-backed and zfs ran out of kernel memory
[06:47:49] <Ouroboro> not 100% sure if those last two things are related
[06:47:56] <jamesd> Ouroboro, i haven't had a zfs related kernel panic in over a year or two...
[06:48:23] <Ouroboro> well my case is quite easily reproducible
[06:48:33] <jamesd> i would say they are not related... and tie the kernel dump to  PEBKAC error.
[06:48:42] <e^ipi> check the core file
[06:49:04] <Ouroboro> the thing in /var/crash? how do you examine that
[06:49:13] <e^ipi> with mdb
[06:49:28] <Ouroboro> ok one moment
[06:49:29] <jamesd> you can take down solaris 8 the same way.. i had a few bone headed users that kept doing it despite my warnings.
[06:49:46] <Ouroboro> jamesd: with the /tmp thing?
[06:49:51] <jamesd> yeap..
[06:50:05] <Ouroboro> yeah, thats why i am not too worried since what i did was a bit retarded
[06:50:22] <Ouroboro> however the system should perhaps be more tolerant of such things
[06:50:38] <jamesd> they desided that it was a good idea to write there log files to /tmp and put there newly migrated data file updates there and refused to remove them.
[06:51:00] <Ouroboro> maybe i should take /tmp off swap
[06:51:15] <TomJ> though to be fair it is a bit dumb that by default solaris puts no limit on how much VM /tmp can take
[06:51:21] <Ouroboro> my case was a large cvs transfer which copies stuff into /tmp first
[06:51:29] <jamesd> Ouroboro, you could put a quota on it or better yet don't use it for crap.
[06:51:32] <Ouroboro> so i had something like 8 GB of swap and copied say 6 GB into it
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[06:51:42] <Ouroboro> at which point it died :)
[06:51:52] <jamesd> tell cvs to use  /var/tmp  or somewhere else.
[06:52:04] <Ouroboro> also i had a zfs snapshot on swap, not sure if that contributed
[06:52:20] <Ouroboro> obviously i am removing it now, since that was just an oversight
[06:52:28] <e^ipi> heh, try restoring it
[06:52:31] <e^ipi> that's fun times
[06:52:52] <e^ipi> makes no sense at all
[06:52:59] <Ouroboro> yeah i know
[06:53:08] <e^ipi> for some reason, that's how the auto-snapshot thing was set up when i first discovered it
[06:53:09] <Ouroboro> i just made it accidently by doing snapshot -r rpool
[06:53:17] <jamesd> hmm not sure that qualifies as a bug or perhaps something for the future...  sleep/restore for laptops.
[06:53:25] <Ouroboro> i didnt realize that swap and dump counted as file systems
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[06:54:53] <sergei_k> hello
[06:54:56] <Ouroboro> also, on a general note, i have been messing around with solaris for like 4 months now and i should say that despite a number of bugs, i am impressed with the overall vision
[06:55:06] <Ouroboro> i especially like zfs and sfm
[06:55:15] <TomJ> zones rock too
[06:55:18] <TomJ> and dtrace
[06:55:20] <sergei_k> help me please. i need to recover .xclient file
[06:55:29] <Ouroboro> TomJ: will get to those eventually
[06:55:47] <Ouroboro> almost used dtrace the other day, but settled for truss :)
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[06:56:23] <sergei_k> i copied my ubuntu home dir into new opensolaris dir...
[06:57:08] <jamesd> sergei_k, do you have a snapshot of the directory? or possibly a backup file from when you last edited it?
[06:57:16] <sergei_k> and now it says that Xclients mising
[06:57:43] <sergei_k> nope it was just from the box
[06:58:38] <CIA-34> Alan Wright <amw at Sun dot COM>: 6772644 Arbitrary arguments passed to smbsrv routines may lead to unintended behavior
[06:58:42] <sergei_k> didn't think file copiing is so destructive
[06:58:54] <Ouroboro> mdb -k /var/crash/unix.0 | this gave a bunch of errors about bad addresses etc.
[06:59:23] <jamesd> sergei_k, create a new user... log in..   exit.. copy the resulting Xclient file  recovering most of what was in the other one.
[06:59:35] <Ouroboro> oh missed a file
[06:59:56] <sergei_k> jamesd: ok, and how to create a new user?
[07:00:13] <sergei_k> jamesd: there should be a command?
[07:00:23] <Ouroboro> here it is: BAD TRAP: type=e (#pf Page fault) rp=ffffff0007c15220 addr=10 occurred in module
[07:00:23] <Ouroboro>  "unix" due to a NULL pointer dereference
[07:00:37] <jamesd> sergei_k, useradd .. but in *solaris its a bit more complicated thanks to the automounter.
[07:00:55] <jamesd> or you can use gnome user manager, or smc
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[07:02:08] <sergei_k> there is no any gnome, until Xclients recovered =((
[07:02:09] <jamesd> i don't have any  .Xclient* files on my sparc solaris box...
[07:02:39] <sergei_k> hmmm
[07:03:33] <Ouroboro> how is /var/crash related to the dump device? is it a copy
[07:03:40] <e^ipi> sergei_k: rm -rf ~/.*
[07:03:53] <e^ipi> most of the '.' directories will be wrong
[07:03:56] <e^ipi> save .ssh maybe
[07:04:29] <Ouroboro> nm, found the answe
[07:04:54] <jamesd> Ouroboro, solaris dumps memory to the dump device when it crashes, on boot up it checks dump device for a core crash image and writes to /var/crash/...
[07:05:31] <Ouroboro> right found that
[07:05:41] <Ouroboro> so should i do something with this core? like open a bug?
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[07:07:15] <Ouroboro> also, i got this panic twice, but the first time i was not at the console and it did not seem to have written a crash dump or rebooted
[07:07:37] <Ouroboro> it was basically frozen when i got there, although it responded to ping at first
[07:07:58] <jamesd> Ouroboro, file the bug report..  post the stack traces that mdb gave you and offer to upload the crash file if they want it..
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[07:10:41] <Ouroboro> ok thanks for the information
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[07:12:39] <sergei_k> e^ipi: thanks!
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[08:16:48] <victori> btw why was 102 yanked
[08:18:21] <CosmicDJ> it was buggy
[08:18:40] <victori> seems like everything after snv98 is buggy ;-/
[08:18:56] <Triskelios> a race condition in zfs root causes corruption
[08:19:50] <victori> is the indiana branch ever going to be useable for servers? I mean -stable, I love the new pkg manager
[08:20:15] <victori> dealing with the old arcane pkg is pulling teeth
[08:20:15] <CosmicDJ> depends
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[08:20:41] <victori> I am actually using snv98 on a production server, but so far stability has been far from stellar
[08:21:15] <victori> though that is understandable, dev branch
[08:22:00] <e^ipi> victori: the idea is to have an LTS branch somewhere down the line
[08:22:08] <victori> LTS?
[08:22:15] <e^ipi> presumably this implies that it'll get the same treatment that sustaining does now
[08:22:18] <e^ipi> long term support
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[08:22:35] <e^ipi> eg, updates rather than feature bleeding edge
[08:23:49] <CosmicDJ> but you have to pay for it, right?
[08:24:38] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[08:24:58] <e^ipi> i dunno how sun's going to market it or whatever
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[08:25:03] <CosmicDJ> c'mon, sun is still a company which has to pay a lot of bills
[08:25:05] <Triskelios> I'd imagine bugfixes would be free
[08:25:22] <e^ipi> well yeah, presumably you'll be able to pay for a support contract
[08:25:31] <e^ipi> what that gets you is still up in the air
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[08:37:52] <timeless> alanc: fwiw, onnv-gate is indexed
[08:38:22] <yksinaisyyteni> you can pay for opensolaris support now, but it's not worth much (48 hour response, online only, no bug fixes)
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[09:02:06] <trochej> Coffee?
[09:02:38] <slonik> yup
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[09:02:48] * slonik drinks one
[09:02:52] <Pummel> who needs coffee if you have guarana drops
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[09:03:37] <trochej> uhm
[09:03:40] <trochej> guano drops?
[09:03:43] <trochej> I don't want to know
[09:04:55] <yksinaisyyteni> dtrace: 14 dynamic variable drops
[09:04:57] <yksinaisyyteni> what's this?
[09:05:09] <slonik> guarana drops!
[09:05:13] <slonik> ;->
[09:05:55] <xRaich[o]2x> trochej: yes please
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[09:06:35] <e^ipi> sounds like poison to me
[09:07:10] <wereHamster> what is the difference btween a 'fbt::write:entry' probe and 'syscall::write:entry' ?
[09:07:47] <e^ipi> exactly what the dtrace guide says the difference between the fbt provider and the syscall provider is
[09:08:13] <xRaich[o]2x> wereHamster: syscall refers to the syscall probe with fbt you can specify a filesystem write like fbt:zfs:write:entry
[09:08:43] <xRaich[o]2x> fbt probes are the functions inside the kernel
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[09:09:52] <e^ipi> i like my answer better
[09:11:19] <xRaich[o]2x> sure you do ^^
[09:11:23] <wereHamster> why don't you answer every question with 'exactly what google says'? Everything can be found through google, so why are you even here?
[09:12:07] <xRaich[o]2x> you could answer every question with: look it up on docs.sun.com
[09:12:34] <e^ipi> i was unaware that this was free tech support, silly me thought it was a channel in which we discuss opensolaris
[09:13:05] <xRaich[o]2x> wereHamster: btw. check out the dtrace guide from solaris 10. it's onle 64 pages or so. and very useful. the solaris express dtrace manual is about 350 pages or so ;)
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[09:14:08] <CosmicDJ> is there anything to discuss? most of the stuff happens behind the scenes anyway
[09:14:42] <e^ipi> meh, that's changing
[09:14:43] <xRaich[o]2x> opensolaris is source code. discuss!..... yay fun...
[09:15:09] <e^ipi> it is fun actually
[09:15:41] <CosmicDJ> some code is ugly..
[09:15:48] <e^ipi> and that code should be replaced
[09:16:28] <e^ipi> unfortunately it's typically the code that works just well enough that nobody touches it, and by extension that nobody really understands
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[09:18:03] <CosmicDJ> even if you replace it, you have to find someone who integrates those back into opensolaris...
[09:18:07] <Chipdancer> brendang: still awake?
[09:18:10] * Chipdancer returns
[09:19:35] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: you could attach a .diff to the bug report
[09:19:46] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: or just fire it off to request-sponsor at os dot o
[09:20:03] <e^ipi> it's not ideal but we're working on it
[09:20:03] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: why do you keep such late hours?
[09:20:22] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[09:20:37] <jamesd> Chipdancer, he is trying to calculate pi to the last digit of course ;-)
[09:20:57] <e^ipi> because when I wake up at a normal hour I can't get anything accomplished aside from stare at things
[09:21:01] <xRaich[o]2x> seriously, i don't get it? why not provide a bit of tech support here? i don't think it suits a mod very well to answer questions with "google it". it was actually a justified question, trivial to some ok.
[09:21:07] <e^ipi> so i get up late, work late, and go to bed late
[09:22:24] <CosmicDJ> xRaich[o]2x: hm, maybe because that question was too.. trivial?
[09:22:25] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: what's wrong with encouraging people to read the docs first and ask questions later?
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[09:22:52] * timeless can't find the 'install' project page
[09:23:06] <e^ipi> timeless: it's under caiman
[09:23:14] <timeless> thanks
[09:23:30] <timeless> but it's a subset, right?
[09:23:43] <timeless> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/install/ ?
[09:23:53] <timeless> or http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/Slim_Install/ ?
[09:25:09] <e^ipi> i believe it's the project link, rather than the community one
[09:25:22] <timeless> so install ~ slim install?
[09:25:29] <timeless> http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/os/os-install/source/
[09:26:43] <palowoda> Didn't install start with Dwarf Caiman than slim install?
[09:27:09] <timeless> sfw ~ http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/companion/ ?
[09:28:19] * timeless tries to figure out where to point devpro to
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[09:29:57] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: nothing really. i think it's a good thing to do that. the answer just seemed a little grumpy too me. might be that I'm still half asleep. njaa... nevermind ^^
[09:31:06] <CosmicDJ> xRaich[o]2x: let's face it; seem read "a virgin in danger", others read "a lazy bum"
[09:31:19] <CosmicDJ> xRaich[o]2x: you saw the virgin, epi the bum
[09:31:43] <xRaich[o]2x> true, most of the time i see the virgin ^^
[09:32:06] <yksinaisyyteni> pretty much everyone on irc is a virgin, so that's not hard to see
[09:32:28] <CosmicDJ> yksinaisyyteni: and everyone's female and good looking ;)
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[09:33:20] <CosmicDJ> yksinaisyyteni: btw, asl? :p
[09:33:35] <yksinaisyyteni> CosmicDJ: no, but i speak a little german
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[09:34:50] <xRaich[o]2x> yksinaisyyteni: dunno about that, i'm really not interested in other people sex life ^^
[09:35:15] <CosmicDJ> every briton does, I think; cause your are obsessed with WW2
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[09:35:40] <peedy> Anyone home?  I borked my nas and could use some help
[09:37:06] <CosmicDJ> express your problem, maybe someone can point you to docs.sun.com^W^W^W^W help you
[09:37:46] <peedy> ok so I did a zpool replace of my boot "rpool"
[09:38:20] <peedy> I forgot to install grub on the new disk
[09:38:32] <peedy> how can I do this after the fact?  perhaps from the liveCD?
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[09:40:53] <CosmicDJ> do you remember how you replaced your rpool? zpool replace c0t0d0s0 c1t0d0s0 like that?
[09:41:30] <peedy> yes
[09:41:43] <CosmicDJ> with *s0* at the end of the new disk?
[09:41:49] <peedy> yes
[09:41:52] <CosmicDJ> good
[09:42:21] <peedy> specifically it was zpool replace rpool c3d0s0 c3d1s0
[09:43:09] <peedy> i just found this: http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/triple_boot_part_5_reinstalling
[09:43:17] <peedy> i think this might be what I need
[09:45:41] <timeless> e^ipi/palowoda are these descriptions (in the box on the left) reasonably close to accurate/useful: http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/os
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[09:46:37] <e^ipi> seems like it
[09:46:45] <timeless> any idea what amd is? :)
[09:47:46] <peedy> amd?
[09:47:59] <CosmicDJ> timeless: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_(disambiguation)
[09:48:01] <CosmicDJ> pick one ;)
[09:48:17] * timeless cries
[09:48:19] <e^ipi> likely amd's private tree
[09:48:30] <timeless> ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/amd/amd-ucode/
[09:48:35] <timeless> that
[09:48:37] <e^ipi> for amd iommu's and whatever
[09:48:56] <timeless> is there no hgweb on hg.opensolaris.org ?
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[09:49:17] <e^ipi> there's opengrok
[09:49:22] <e^ipi> it's got history
[09:49:36] <timeless> yeah yeah
[09:49:41] * timeless sighs
[09:49:47] * timeless goes to figure out how to connect to opengrok
[09:50:12] <e^ipi> src.opensolaris.org
[09:50:54] * timeless frowns
[09:51:32] * fraggeln burps
[09:51:37] <fraggeln> to much coke..
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[09:54:12] <timeless> e^ipi: don't suppose you know if http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/amd/amd-ucode/usr/src/Makefile?a=true&r=%s
[09:54:20] <timeless> %s supports hg hashes instead of serial numbers
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[09:56:04] <e^ipi> no idea
[09:59:57] <peedy> Hey Cosmic
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[10:00:12] <peedy> im trying to run the installgrub command
[10:00:21] <peedy> and its saying cannot open stat/device
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[10:04:36] <Chipdancer> MY GOD, lucreate is fast on zfsroot!
[10:04:52] <e^ipi> yeah, it just takes a snapshot
[10:05:10] <Chipdancer> I figured that's what it would do, but after doing it on UFS so much, it's stunning!!!
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[10:05:38] <trochej> Coffee
[10:05:42] <Chipdancer> sweet!
[10:06:11] <CosmicDJ> I take the sweets ;)
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[10:08:47] <peedy> Can anyone help me install grub to a disk
[10:09:20] <peedy> it would appear I don't have a boot partition on the drive
[10:09:22] <Chipdancer> ok, now I'm pissed!
[10:09:26] <peedy> is there a way to make one?
[10:09:36] <Chipdancer> ERROR: No upgradeable file systems found at specified mount point.
[10:09:44] <Chipdancer> I just did the damn lucreate
[10:09:45] <tynar> install grub to which disk? what are you trying to do?
[10:09:52] <gerard13> peedy, use installgrub
[10:10:50] <tynar> I never install grub manually, since it's included in many OS
[10:10:59] <tynar> distr
[10:11:05] <e^ipi> it's got a man page
[10:11:21] <e^ipi> man pages don't tend to try to trick you
[10:11:31] <peedy> brief set of events
[10:11:44] <peedy> single boot drive
[10:11:47] <peedy> zpool of rpool
[10:11:57] <e^ipi> peedy: man page.
[10:12:01] <e^ipi> it's even got examples
[10:12:09] <peedy> did a zpool replace rpool c3d0s0 c3d1s0
[10:12:20] <e^ipi> bingo.
[10:12:37] <e^ipi> can you even replace a device when it's not redundant?
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[10:12:57] <e^ipi> where does it get the data from?
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[10:13:05] <peedy> was trying to follow this http://blogs.sun.com/jkshah/entry/replacing_boot_disk_which_is
[10:13:17] <peedy> i fucked up and didn't get grub on it
[10:14:08] <e^ipi> so read the installgrub man page
[10:14:14] <e^ipi> you may also need the chroot man page
[10:14:17] <peedy> system won't boot
[10:14:18] <e^ipi> likely not though
[10:14:24] <e^ipi> hence, livecd
[10:14:24] <peedy> using liveCD
[10:14:33] <peedy> but command isn't working
[10:14:45] <peedy> according to the partition map I don't have a boot partition
[10:14:52] <peedy> which not sure why if I did a replace
[10:15:02] <Chipdancer> has anybody here done an LU recently?
[10:15:18] <quasi> yes
[10:15:18] <timeless> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/amd/amd-ucode/usr/src/Makefile?a=true&r=2af457fac98c
[10:15:20] * timeless curses
[10:15:26] <CosmicDJ> Chipdancer: yes, but it failed :(
[10:15:34] <Chipdancer> CosmicDJ: same error I just had?
[10:15:42] <Chipdancer> quasi: did it work for you?
[10:15:49] <quasi> Chipdancer: sure
[10:15:57] <CosmicDJ> Chipdancer: no, SVM mirrored disks, tried to split them but it didnt work
[10:15:58] <Chipdancer> quasi: between which versions?
[10:16:33] <quasi> Chipdancer: ninetysomething and 101 and ehrm, somewhere in s10
[10:16:42] <Chipdancer> zfsroot?
[10:17:05] <quasi> yes and no
[10:17:53] <quasi> zfsroot on the 97 to 101
[10:17:59] <timeless> e^ipi, http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/os/os-amd/source/amd-ucode/usr/src/Makefile now with some links to opengrok
[10:19:11] <Chipdancer> quasi: I tried something like that and got the same error I'm seeing now, and now it's a fresh install on zfsroot to the next iteration
[10:20:39] <quasi> Chipdancer: what error?
[10:20:47] <Chipdancer> run liveupgrade20 from the image; lucreate new lu; luupgrade -u -n newbe -s /path/to/media; EPIC FAIL
[10:20:52] <Chipdancer> quasi: ERROR: No upgradeable file systems found at specified mount point.
[10:20:54] <quasi> ah, founf it
[10:20:57] <quasi> found
[10:21:27] <Chipdancer> do it from a mounted loopback image or direct from the DVD and it still fails
[10:21:39] <Chipdancer> I'm not missing any magic step somewhere am I?
[10:21:56] <Chipdancer> 'lucreate -p rpool -n snv_new'
[10:21:56] <quasi> I just nicked the procedure of someones blog
[10:22:25] <peedy> ok got grub installed on the old drive
[10:22:47] <peedy> says stage2 then goes to a generic command line grub>
[10:23:06] <peedy> what is probably the problem now
[10:23:21] <peedy> wrong path?
[10:24:02] <e^ipi> timeless: why is it you're trying to reinvent opengrok, anyways?
[10:24:13] <e^ipi> with less functionality, no less
[10:24:17] <timeless> i've been working on mxr for years
[10:24:32] <timeless> and opengrok's ui doesn't do anything i like/want
[10:24:54] <e^ipi> such as?
[10:26:08] <timeless> identifiers take me to the wrong thing when clicked
[10:26:22] <timeless> the search ui gives me a headache and never gives me the results i want
[10:26:50] <e^ipi> *shrug* always been pretty good for me
[10:26:54] <e^ipi> it just uses ctags
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[10:30:16] <timeless> e^ipi: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/caiman/lzma-prototype/C/Threads.h
[10:30:22] <timeless> click  Semaphore_Construct on line 55
[10:30:29] <timeless> http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/os/os-caiman/source/lzma-prototype/C/Threads.h
[10:30:32] <timeless> click the same
[10:33:35] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[10:33:42] * timeless shrugs
[10:34:01] <peedy> anyone know why I wouldn't be able to import the rpool
[10:34:25] <e^ipi> because it doesn't exist
[10:34:58] <peedy> its probably on the new disk only
[10:35:57] <e^ipi> if you're not running redundancy, data gets lost
[10:35:59] <e^ipi> c'est la vie
[10:36:43] <peedy> its just the boot drive
[10:36:50] <peedy> on a home nas
[10:37:05] <peedy> according to that sun engineer it can be done
[10:37:09] <e^ipi> *just* the boot drive... not like that's important
[10:37:15] <e^ipi> *rolls eyes*
[10:37:38] <peedy> look I understand its important
[10:37:53] <peedy> just looking for some help
[10:37:58] <peedy> i already know I fucked up
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[10:39:09] <xRaich[o]2x> peedy: did you ask in #zfs? maybe they know more
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[10:40:06] <peedy> no i did not
[10:40:26] <peedy> the new disk apparently doesn't have a boot partition or grub installed
[10:40:37] <peedy> the old disk does but the pool info is gone
[10:40:38] <iMax> anyone know if crossbow works with applications which require dpli to access the interface?
[10:40:38] <e^ipi> or data, as it would appear
[10:40:59] <e^ipi> "boot partition" is just a flag
[10:41:03] <e^ipi> fdisk can set it
[10:41:23] <peedy> old drive I have 4 partitions one is tagged 2 which mean boot
[10:41:35] <peedy> new drive only has 2 partitions, neither is tagged 2
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[10:42:00] <e^ipi> oh ffs
[10:42:05] <e^ipi> it's a flag
[10:42:07] <e^ipi> you set it in fdisk
[10:42:13] <e^ipi> open fdisk
[10:42:15] <e^ipi> and set it
[10:42:17] <noptrix> y0 m4n
[10:42:19] <e^ipi> go through format
[10:42:47] <peedy> ok rpool is on new drive
[10:43:01] <peedy> but can't import from Livecd says formatted with newer version
[10:43:49] <e^ipi> then use the 2008.11 livecd
[10:44:19] <e^ipi> problem: "my OS is too old" solution: "use a newer OS"
[10:44:21] <e^ipi> basic logic.
[10:44:32] <peedy> where can I get that?  thought it wasn't released
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[10:45:41] <e^ipi> where do you think you can get that?
[10:45:44] <Stric> release candidate
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[10:48:09] <peedy> anyone have a link?  not seeing it on opensolaris.org
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[10:48:28] <CosmicDJ> opensolaris.*com*
[10:49:30] <e^ipi> my fucking god...
[10:49:38] <e^ipi> that's it, i'm reinstating my "no help on install" policy
[10:49:48] <e^ipi> rationale being if you can't get that far, you're a lost cause
[10:49:51] <Chipdancer> so nobody here knows much about debugging LU and its internals?
[10:50:09] <peedy> found it, downloading
[10:50:41] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: unfortunately it's not open source
[10:50:47] <e^ipi> but what's your deal?
[10:51:17] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: it's failing in a standard usage mode and I don't know why and cannot get any further information AFAICT
[10:51:41] <e^ipi> failing how
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[10:52:16] <Chipdancer> ERROR: Installation of the packages from this media of the media failed; pfinstall returned these diagnostics:
[10:52:16] <Chipdancer> Processing profile
[10:52:16] <Chipdancer> Loading local environment and services
[10:52:17] <Chipdancer> Skipping load of uninstalled non-global zone environment: services-1
[10:52:17] <Chipdancer> Generating upgrade actions
[10:52:18] <Chipdancer> ERROR: No upgradeable file systems found at specified mount point.
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[10:52:58] <e^ipi> that's on luupgrade or what?
[10:53:02] <Chipdancer> yep
[10:53:08] <e^ipi> ENEEDMOREINFO
[10:53:10] <aaron> hey i have a question. on the solaris. what's the default user and password?
[10:53:18] <aaron> *opensolaris
[10:53:18] <e^ipi> aaron: solaris doesn't have one
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[10:53:23] <e^ipi> whatever you set up on boot
[10:53:28] <e^ipi> s/boot/install
[10:53:36] <aaron> e^ipi: actually.
[10:53:53] <e^ipi> actually what, the installer prompted you for a user/pass
[10:53:58] <aaron> I'm using open solaris. and it's just taking me to GDM i belived and is asking me for a username and password
[10:54:27] <e^ipi> enter whatever user/pass you gave it
[10:54:29] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: see PRIVMSG
[10:54:34] <aaron> e^ipi: hmmm
[10:54:50] <aaron> e^ipi: i just stick the cd. and it just takes me to the gdm.
[10:54:53] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: you need to register
[10:54:57] <aaron> i do not know if is a live cd or something.
[10:55:13] <e^ipi> if it's the livecd, jack/jack
[10:55:21] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: eh, what?
[10:55:23] <aaron> oh okey
[10:55:33] <aaron> e^ipi: with the livecd can you install solaris?
[10:55:34] <aaron> or no?
[10:55:41] <e^ipi> no
[10:55:46] <e^ipi> with the livecd you install opensolaris
[10:55:49] <CosmicDJ> no, but you can install opensolaris ;)
[10:55:59] <aaron> oh ic.
[10:56:30] <Stric> aaron: the old 2008.05 release has bugs that causes the autologin to fail sometimes, use jack/jack
[10:56:35] <CosmicDJ> (it's like asking: with fedora I can install RHEL?)
[10:56:59] <g4lt-work> right, the rule of thumb is solaris works on most sparcs, opensolaris won't
[10:56:59] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: what do I need to register?
[10:57:02] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: i think you can, it's just convoluted
[10:57:04] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: n/m
[10:57:08] <e^ipi> i wasn't getting your /msg
[10:57:15] <peedy> hey e^ipi, fdisk shows one partition with type of EFI, is that normal?
[10:57:34] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: ok, got it now?
[10:57:43] <peedy> its 100% in size
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[10:58:15] <peedy> also, should it be active, because its not
[10:58:17] <e^ipi> peedy: remember what i said about 'no more install help'
[10:58:19] <Stric> aaron: since you haven't installed yet.. download the 2008.11 release candidate instead.. http://www.opensolaris.com/get/index.jsp bottom right..
[10:58:25] <Stric> feh.
[10:58:29] <e^ipi> read the man pages.
[10:58:41] * djgregor enjoys http://blogs.sun.com/bmc/resource/rti.txt greatly
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[10:59:43] <e^ipi> peedy: i suggest the zfs guide, because it details exactly why you'd have an efi label on your disk
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[11:00:13] <peedy> can you tell me if it should be active?
[11:00:18] <Stric> and if it's something you should boot off, then no - you don't want efi
[11:00:27] <e^ipi> peedy: can you read the documentation?
[11:00:57] * g4lt-work chuckles at e^ipi: you have to ask?
[11:01:04] <e^ipi> yeah, silly me
[11:01:21] <peedy> why do developers insist on being pricks
[11:01:44] <peedy> im not a noob, but I am at opensolaris, so im just trying to fix what I admittedly fucked up
[11:02:50] <codestr0m> peedy: I'm not sure I can help you at all, but if you don't like the attitude around here.. there's a small and growing group in ##opensolaris
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[11:07:55] <plavcik> is Solaris Express and SXCE the same?
[11:08:07] <e^ipi> plavcik: yeah, they're just 2 different terms
[11:08:33] <edgy> hi, I have a solaris installation in my 1st disk, I tried to install another one in my 2nd disk but I couldn't boot the first one, isn't this possible in x86?
[11:09:12] <plavcik> @e^ipi: thx
[11:09:25] <e^ipi> edgy: if you wiped out your MBR, yeah
[11:09:31] <e^ipi> edgy: otherwise it's a BIOS toggle
[11:09:37] <g4lt-work> Plagiven SXCE is short for "solaris express community edition", I think you wanswered your own question
[11:09:51] <g4lt-work> plavcik: ^^^^
[11:10:10] <edgy> e^ipi: I choose to make the 2nd drive the boot drive, do this wipe my mbr?
[11:10:16] <e^ipi> nope
[11:10:24] <e^ipi> just a bios thing then
[11:10:37] <e^ipi> you can also do the grub 'chainloader' thing
[11:10:39] <e^ipi> google it
[11:10:55] <e^ipi> i don't feel like looking up the syntax and you're quite capable of doing it
[11:11:26] <edgy> e^ipi: they are in virtualbox, so I chosed F12 to change the boot disk, and I tried both drives but they both launch my 2nd installation
[11:11:51] <e^ipi> NFI how virtualbox fakes things
[11:12:05] <e^ipi> why the hell do you have 2 installs on one virtualbox image anyway?
[11:12:08] <e^ipi> just set up another vbox image
[11:14:24] <edgy> e^ipi: yea, I just want to try 2 installs in virtual before I try it in real. It's just for practice. I messed a lot with grub root and findroot to no avail but I would look more. Just one last note. In the bois I know I can choose to boot from cdrom or hard disk but I can never choose which hard disk, never have I met such a bios, do you?
[11:15:04] <e^ipi> all my machines have a disk boot priority listing
[11:15:26] <e^ipi> no idea if vbox does, i don't use it
[11:15:42] <dustman> edgy: some bios do
[11:15:46] <edgy> e^ipi: strange! my real boxes doesn't have that option.
[11:15:52] <dustman> and grub chainloading is easy
[11:16:04] <edgy> dustman: thanks I will check it
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[11:19:23] <plavcik> edgy: if F12 not help you to select order, you can do that in configuration on virtual images (switch them)
[11:21:19] <CosmicDJ> IIRC a few years ago (5-6), I had to use a special bootloader to boot an OS from another disk (I think it was the vamos bootloader)
[11:21:31] <plavcik> edgy: swap references to VDI files
[11:21:46] * g4lt-work uses sparc and OBP for a reason
[11:21:54] <e^ipi> plavcik: he's gone man... let it go
[11:22:07] <CosmicDJ> no sparc and no virtualbox/vmware back then ;)
[11:22:24] <g4lt-work> CosmicDJ: sparc predates you
[11:22:37] <CosmicDJ> and my pocket
[11:22:37] <plavcik> oops, I not noticed that :)
[11:22:41] <e^ipi> it's true
[11:23:08] <g4lt-work> yes, sparc was around when you were a hershey bar in your daddy's pocket
[11:23:30] <e^ipi> graphic
[11:24:54] <CosmicDJ> my mum was sweet enough, he didn't have any hersheys ;)
[11:24:57] <g4lt-work> ....and stolen shamelessly from Laurie Anderson
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[11:27:34] <e^ipi> someone pointed out to me that Sun is older than I am, that got me depressed
[11:27:39] <e^ipi> then i drank and was happy again
[11:27:40] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: I'm reading your conversation from earlier about trying to actually help people vs being a bot and repeating things about docs and google
[11:28:10] <timeless> codestr0m: is that somewhere i could read it later? (irc log url?)
[11:28:13] <codestr0m> it's an incredible idea you've come up with..
[11:28:14] <g4lt-work> no, he depressing part is realizing how old Sun is and realizing you're OLDER
[11:28:31] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: huh?
[11:28:37] <codestr0m> timeless: my logs. I'm sure they are being logged somewhere, but not sure where
[11:28:39] <e^ipi> he's just being an ass, ignore him
[11:29:01] <xRaich[o]2x> what, me? O_o
[11:29:03] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: the conversation earlier. sec.. I'll find/paste some lines
[11:29:03] <timeless> codest0m: a few choice keywords and google will find it
[11:29:07] <e^ipi> he seems to think that if you hold peoples' hand through the simple bits and google things for them, they'll magically get smarter
[11:29:13] <codestr0m> timeless: sometimes yes. and sometimes no
[11:29:18] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: i remember it?
[11:29:41] <CosmicDJ> xRaich[o]2x: the virgin...
[11:29:48] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: am i getting you right: you are calling me an "ass"?
[11:29:56] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: no man, you're cool
[11:30:04] <codestr0m> e^ipi: we're trying to have a constructive conversation.. if you want to be negative. please be quiet and don't comment this isn't *your* channel
[11:30:18] <kimc> hi
[11:30:36] <kimc> err i mean good morning
[11:30:43] <codestr0m> kimc: morning
[11:30:54] * g4lt-work looks at the who list before pointing out whose channel it is
[11:30:56] <e^ipi> disagreeing with you isn't being negative
[11:31:18] <xRaich[o]2x> no, calling someone an "ass" is
[11:31:18] <codestr0m> e^ipi: @(11:24:39) e^ipi: he's just being an ass, ignore him@
[11:31:35] <codestr0m> e^ipi: you just abuse your op privs
[11:31:44] <kimc> alanc mentioned last night b103 was released internally on Wed hope they release it externally soon :)
[11:31:47] <codestr0m> call people an ass where if I did the same you'd kick/ban me
[11:31:58] <xRaich[o]2x> agreed
[11:32:01] * g4lt-work doubts i
[11:32:11] <codestr0m> can the channel owner here please deop e^ipi
[11:32:24] <e^ipi> *rolls eyes*
[11:32:41] <codestr0m> e^ipi: you may think I'm kidding, but please freenode policy
[11:32:42] <g4lt-work> if e^ipi /kb's for being an ass, I'd prolly still not be able to join this channel
[11:32:43] <kimc> there must be a reason e^ipi has ops here
[11:32:47] <e^ipi> g4lt-work: I doubt I sometimes too. *shakes fist at descartes*
[11:32:58] <codestr0m> you're being a very bad catalyst. sec. I'll find the reference for you
[11:33:18] <e^ipi> codestr0m: i kicked you once for 10 mins for being vulgar IIRC
[11:33:26] <e^ipi> the ban list is full of spammers
[11:33:33] <g4lt-work> codestr0m: yes, polease do read freenode's policy, especially the [part about staff not messing with internal channel politics
[11:33:47] <codestr0m> e^ipi: you kicked me and not the other guy who was 1) more vulgar and 2) it was personal
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[11:34:06] <codestr0m> g4lt-work: I'm not staff :) I'm in the channel and trying to help clear this problem up
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[11:34:46] <codestr0m> http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml
[11:34:59] <codestr0m> great link for any op to read maybe
[11:35:06] <e^ipi> *wahwah* just suck it up, you got banned for 10 mins for being vulgar, you gonna keep dwelling on it forever ?
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[11:35:20] <g4lt-work> codestr0m: when will you read it, are you being a catalyst right now?
[11:35:37] <cypromis> he is not an op neither
[11:35:54] <codestr0m> g4lt-work: I'm trying. I'm being open. I'm not arguing. I'm stating the problem and citing policy.. how else can I better deal with this?
[11:36:04] <e^ipi> christ, i've gotten over the end of long relationships in less time than you've been dwelling on that shit
[11:36:26] <trygvis> e^ipi: you kicking him is just an example of your bad behaviour
[11:36:38] <e^ipi> ugh, whatever
[11:36:47] <dustman> just stop bickering
[11:36:56] <g4lt-work> codestr0m: really?  calling for the changing of an access list because your feelings were hurt is NOT in the spirit nor letter of catalysts
[11:37:24] <e^ipi> fuck this, it's playstation time
[11:37:31] <yksinaisyyteni> haha, catalysts
[11:37:33] <xRaich[o]2x> come on guys please chill -_-
[11:37:34] <yksinaisyyteni> freenode </3
[11:37:42] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: enjoy - what will you do?
[11:37:52] * cypromis yawns and goes to get some coffee
[11:37:52] <codestr0m> g4lt-work: I'm calling for a change in the access list not for personal reasons at all, but for every person who comes in here trying to get help. can you clearly not see my intention?
[11:38:25] <g4lt-work> I can clearlyt see that people are requesting this thread to end, and as siuch I'm out
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[11:40:28] * g4lt-work is slightly annoyed that they had to respin B100, it would have been neat to rin b100 on my SB100 ;P
[11:41:08] <xRaich[o]2x> uh nice ON 103 :)
[11:41:20] <trygvis> O.o
[11:41:54] <CosmicDJ> xRaich[o]2x: nice try
[11:42:03] <xRaich[o]2x> hm?
[11:42:14] <e^ipi> at changing the subject presumably
[11:43:16] <xRaich[o]2x> that wasn't my intention. the thread has ended with g4lt-work's comment. i just had a look at the topic ^^
[11:43:32] <CosmicDJ> e^ipi: but he's still right; your *rolling eyes* etc. scares everyone asking for help away ; after all we're trying to build a community
[11:43:58] <g4lt-work> CosmicDJ: tell that to DC, sun4v and 2G?!
[11:44:05] <CosmicDJ> maybe you shouldn't express every feeling here
[11:44:34] <CosmicDJ> g4lt-work: no idea who they are
[11:45:05] <xRaich[o]2x> i agree with CosmicDJ. i sure respect e^ipi for his knowledge but his attitude is sometimes a bit too grumpy for an op
[11:45:25] <g4lt-work> DC == dwarf caiman, the new instller group.  indiana's sparc target is a sun4v with 2G.
[11:46:02] <e^ipi> g4lt-work: they make niagras with so little ram?
[11:46:02] <CosmicDJ> you're kidding?
[11:46:37] <g4lt-work> nope, look at caiman-discuss on JIVE
[11:47:49] <g4lt-work> so now I get to reiterate my old thing,  really don't see any utility in opensolaris/IA32.  core2 or suffer, X86 kiddiez
[11:48:20] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: my take on it is that some minimal amount of googling saves everyone a whole lot of time and effort, so pointing people there for obvious questions serves as a gentle reminder that there's decent docu
[11:48:31] <e^ipi> sometimes people forget
[11:49:04] <cypromis> sometimes people did that and all you do is annoy them
[11:49:16] <cypromis> sometimes you yourself forget as well cause you are in a hurry
[11:49:18] <trygvis> e^ipi: it really isn't that easy to find stuff with google
[11:49:33] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: i'm not referring to "pointing at google" etc. I'm referring to general attitude
[11:49:35] <trygvis> in particular if you're new and don't know what to look for
[11:50:19] <Stric> another problem with having docs for everything, is that people expect the front page of the docs to be the answer to their specific question (I know I wish for that every now and then too)
[11:51:12] <CosmicDJ> g4lt-work: when opensolaris/sparc is niagara only, when don't they drop ia32 support at the same time; this will sure boost OpenSolaris' spreading
[11:51:21] <CosmicDJ> s/when/why/
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[11:51:54] <g4lt-work> CosmicDJ: well the first is already true.  the second SHOULD be to even the field
[11:52:21] <e^ipi> i agree, if only to filter out the machines incapable of running solaris
[11:52:23] <CosmicDJ> g4lt-work: sure if you think of SUN hardware only...
[11:52:46] <e^ipi> core2/amd64 typically also implies >1G of ram which is essentially the minimum
[11:52:49] <g4lt-work> what else should SUN think of?
[11:53:18] <e^ipi> killing off 32 bit gets rid of all the warm-brick <= 512M machines
[11:53:18] <CosmicDJ> "developers developers developers developers"
[11:53:51] <g4lt-work> e^ipi: so basically, they take the 2G min ram an apply it to X86 rules, thus think you need a new generation for 2+G?  they're even more idiotic than I first thought
[11:54:20] <e^ipi> sorry?
[11:55:11] <g4lt-work> oh, sorry, I thought you said that since X86 needs to go core2 to get the memory, sparc had to go thumper to get the memory, which clearly isn't the case
[11:55:58] <e^ipi> no, i meant they should kill off 32 bit x86 in order to kill of <1G ram x86
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[11:56:39] <g4lt-work> I'm down with that, and I should have known better han to think that indiana used loic of any form
[11:56:45] <e^ipi> you'll always get some idiot cramming a 256M stick in to his new core2 but generally you don't find new CPU + old ram combos
[11:57:01] <purserj> e^ipi: unless its a "budget laptop"
[11:57:02] <trochej> I believe that 32bit x86 should been killed off by vendors two years ago. Unfortunately, there is a whole lot of Windows users that rely on 32bit hardware
[11:57:06] <trochej> And won't switch
[11:57:07] <DTEIT> morning
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[11:57:19] <trochej> Coffe
[11:57:27] <e^ipi> purserj: i dunno, even the aspireone mini laptop's got 512M in it
[11:57:47] <e^ipi> which, while unable to run solaris well is getting pretty close
[11:57:50] <g4lt-work> trochej: those users won't touch opensolaris anyways, so they can effectively be discounted for our purposes
[11:57:51] <purserj> e^ipi: if it's got vista on it, 512 may as well be 16
[11:58:44] <cypromis> hmmm
[11:58:50] <cypromis> I have nevada running fine on 512
[11:58:55] <cypromis> must be a miracle than
[11:59:15] <e^ipi> or just careful paring down of services
[11:59:45] <e^ipi> i can't handle nevada on <1G
[12:03:39] <g4lt-work> cypromis: sounds more like walking BH.  my S100 with 1.5G crawls some days
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[12:04:59] <kimc> e^ipi: my aspire one's got 1.5 GB in it :)
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[12:11:31] <e^ipi> i didn't even know you could add ram to them
[12:11:33] <e^ipi> cool
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[12:19:56] <codestr0m> e^ipi: please come back to ##opensolaris so we can talk about this.. I'm not sure what just happened there
[12:20:16] <e^ipi> absolutely not.
[12:20:48] <codestr0m> ok. well. in public is better than trying to deal with this in pm. I'll devoice someone if they bring it OT
[12:21:28] <e^ipi> it's a 1:1 conversation.
[12:21:44] <fraggeln> did e^ipi kill 102? :D
[12:22:19] <e^ipi> i had nothing to do with it
[12:22:35] <e^ipi> i didn't even touch anything peripherally related to ZFS
[12:22:45] <quasi> e^ipi: we still blame you ;)
[12:22:55] <e^ipi> fair enough
[12:23:19] <cypromis> blame canada ?
[12:23:20] <cypromis> :D
[12:23:48] <quasi> exactly
[12:25:53] <Okona> any idea why opensolaris 'last' command does not return local logins?
[12:29:47] <CosmicDJ> hm your machine was hacked? ;)
[12:30:51] <e^ipi> leet
[12:31:13] <Okona> CosmicDJ: it is on all machines i installed, it would be very strange if that would have happened
[12:35:56] <CosmicDJ> remote logins are showen?
[12:36:59] <CosmicDJ> s/logins/logoffs/
[12:39:44] <cypromis> yes
[12:39:49] <cypromis> only local ones aren't
[12:39:51] <cypromis> same on my box
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[12:40:41] * g4lt-work bets serious money that ti's explained in the manpage
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[12:47:15] <e^ipi> g4lt-work: isn't that insider trading ?
[12:47:22] <kimc> e^ipi: you can add ram to an aspire one but it 'voids the warranty
[12:47:43] <kimc> fwiw//
[12:47:49] <e^ipi> hmm
[12:48:01] <e^ipi> i wasn't sure, i assumed that the chips were soldered to the board to save space
[12:48:38] <e^ipi> i'm surprised apple hasn't thought of that
[12:48:44] <kimc> one chip is soldered in but theres an empty socket under the motherboard
[12:49:00] <kimc> you need to take the machine completely apart
[12:49:04] <g4lt-work> e^ipi: what, because I've RTFM'd but I can't fimnd it right now because I'm not at my SB100?  yeah  that I have anything at all to do with the manpage?  not even close.  only thing  have to do with manpages is I keep threatening to rewrite them fo the emancipation project, then indiana/sparc reinvigorates me to do nothin useful
[12:49:19] <e^ipi> heh
[12:50:15] <g4lt-work> Icategoricaly refuse to do somehing for a project that won't work 0on my own hardware
[12:50:29] <e^ipi> *nod*
[12:50:58] <cypromis> yah it definately needs to start working on my nokia n810
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[12:51:32] <CosmicDJ> bloatlaris? ;)
[12:51:38] <CosmicDJ> slowlaris? :)
[12:51:47] <e^ipi> can it.
[12:52:02] <CosmicDJ> never
[12:52:20] <codestr0m> g4lt-work: what arch do you need sol to run on?
[12:52:25] <e^ipi> sparc
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[12:52:43] <Gekz> MIPS
[12:52:45] <g4lt-work> sparc, and I've volunyteered to ad on hte mips port
[12:53:29] <g4lt-work> all I need is to get a 12 VDC PSU to get my qube online and 'll start playing with it
[12:53:33] <codestr0m> g4lt-work: what do you need.. libre libc or what's the current blocker?
[12:53:34] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: SB = sun blade IIRC
[12:53:57] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: sorry.. very distracted, but thanks
[12:54:06] <g4lt-work> indiana's obscene requirements.
[12:54:08] <e^ipi> codestr0m: the installer. they've decided that sparc = niagra
[12:54:09] <CosmicDJ> which won't be supported by indiana/sparc
[12:55:00] <codestr0m> g4lt-work: ok. well. I can probably spin some *very* minimal livecd or image or..  what's exactly needed?
[12:55:01] <CosmicDJ> I mean, the "desktop" solaris of any of the older sparc workstations, never
[12:55:08] <CosmicDJ> s/of/for/
[12:55:29] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: s/older//g
[12:55:51] <CosmicDJ> I hope they finish the textinstaller before I/S comes out
[12:56:25] <e^ipi> are the U25/U45 going to be supported at all?
[12:56:55] <g4lt-work> codestr0m: ve been running SXCE on my SB100 longer than you've known what it was.  I just don't like working on it because of the fuckyouverymuch they give sparc
[12:57:20] <tsoome> err, if sun is unable to support both sparc and x86 platforms from same code base, how should ISV's manage?
[12:57:21] <e^ipi> survey says no
[12:57:34] <codestr0m> g4lt-work: ok. well. I'm all ears for how to make it better.. I'm not sure the current state explicitly
[12:57:34] <CosmicDJ> "Computer says no"
[12:57:41] <e^ipi> sun4u is a  no-go based on the thread
[12:58:10] <CosmicDJ> the only machines capable of running all this gnome stuff..
[12:58:40] <g4lt-work> and since the SB100 is a sun4u, indiana is a no-go for me, and since I cannot explicitly contribute only to SXCE, I cannot contribute at all
[12:59:10] <CosmicDJ> g4lt-work: *cough* you could contribute to free/net/openbsd :)
[12:59:26] <g4lt-work> CosmicDJ: horsefeathers.  the SB100 has a nice rage64, the xvr100 is a radeon
[13:00:04] <CosmicDJ> and? you're not telling me you play quake on them?
[13:00:15] <g4lt-work> is gnome quake?
[13:00:15] <e^ipi> you can
[13:00:26] <e^ipi> quake3 even
[13:00:38] <g4lt-work> gnome is a WINDOW MANAGER, not a freaking hi-end video game
[13:00:56] <CosmicDJ> and metacity is the desktop...
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[13:01:35] <_setuid_H> Hi all
[13:01:42] <Okona> CosmicDJ: like cypromis said, remote logins are shown
[13:01:58] <g4lt-work> and?  have they made something in the las hour or so for gnome that means it can't run on rage64's?
[13:02:27] <CosmicDJ> compiz maybe
[13:03:09] <Stric> which is optional
[13:03:53] <g4lt-work> last time I heard only thing compiz requires is a 3D card, which the rage64 is
[13:04:26] <Stric> does X have 3d support for it as well?
[13:04:27] <CosmicDJ> ah, those lovely wiggly windows; can you life without them now? ;)
[13:05:01] <peedy> can someone direct me to a guide on how to setup a dns server on opensolaris, I cannot seem to find the guide I used last time
[13:05:25] <tsoome> its te same way you sert up bind on any server
[13:05:31] <tsoome> te?the
[13:05:36] <tsoome> ffs
[13:05:43] <tsoome> i cant type:( sry
[13:06:19] <peedy> ok but i don't do it everyday so I don't remember how its done
[13:06:31] <tsoome> man google
[13:06:42] <Stric> I would guess isc.org has docs (bind upstreams)
[13:06:49] <peedy> i know the config files
[13:06:58] <peedy> but forgot how I enable bind in solaris
[13:07:09] <CosmicDJ> man svcadm
[13:08:22] <tsoome> so? fill /etc/named.conf and then svcadm enable dns/server
[13:11:36] <g4lt-work> also, BTW, GUI install isn't even a deliverable for indiana/sparc, so there goes the gnome thing
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[13:19:41] <gerard13> http://pastealacon.com/1722 anybody can help? i don't understand why gcc failed on this file?
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[13:21:02] <codestr0m> gerard13: is there a particular reason to not use sun cc or just more familiar with gcc. also for this. ##c may be more help.. (not sure)
[13:21:32] <gerard13> codestr0m: i already tried with sunstudio, and it failed also
[13:21:45] <gerard13> i just need to compile paraview, i'm not a dev
[13:21:57] <gerard13> my problem is that i am on opensolaris platform
[13:22:15] <codestr0m> gerard13: ok. gotcha.. someone here will help if they have the time..
[13:22:33] <gerard13> i hope :-(
[13:23:21] <tsoome> swapping compilers doesnt help if you fail to follow the syntax.....
[13:23:34] <Stric> gerard13: try sending it through gcc -E first (preprocessor only), see if there's a macro that fscks things up
[13:24:13] <gerard13> paraview uses cmake, so it failed after hours of compilation...
[13:24:39] <gerard13> here is the error when using sunstudio:
[13:24:53] <gerard13> "/export/home/henry/projects/ParaView-3.4.0/VTK/Rendering/vtkOpenGLExtensionManager.cxx", line 267: Error: Using static_cast to convert from void(*)() to extern "C" void(*)() not allowed.
[13:25:13] <CosmicDJ> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5267/bkaed?l=en&a=view&q=extensions  4.6 Using an enum Name as a Scope Qualifier
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[13:26:56] <gerard13> CosmicDJ: the "enum" problem doesn't appear with sunstudio, so you link is irrelevant. But i could'nt compile with sunstudio, and as every people in scientific apps uses linux, i thought that swith to gcc may be a solution
[13:28:09] <gerard13> CosmicDJ: perhaps you have idea for that: "/export/home/henry/projects/ParaView-3.4.0/VTK/Rendering/vtkOpenGLExtensionManager.cxx", line 267: Error: Using static_cast to convert from void(*)() to extern "C" void(*)() not allowed.
[13:28:15] <gerard13> a sunstudio error...
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[13:28:55] <CosmicDJ> well gcc 3.4.3 is quite old...
[13:29:29] <gerard13> but it is installed by default
[13:29:46] <gerard13> i'm trying to compile gcc4 now with CBE
[13:30:00] <gerard13> but i'm continuously changing...
[13:30:05] <CosmicDJ> IIRC blastwave has some gcc4 pkgs
[13:30:20] <gerard13> not on os2008.11
[13:30:41] <CosmicDJ> not binary compatible anymore?
[13:31:05] <gerard13> my platform is os2008.11, i'll hope that it becomes something like "Scientific Linux" -> "Scientific Solaris"
[13:31:55] <gerard13> but it's impossible without help
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[13:39:51] <dustman> gerard13: are you physicist?
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[13:40:38] <gerard13> no dustman, i work in a mathematics center
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[13:42:53] <Berny> ey yo th?
[13:43:00] <th> hey Berny
[13:43:12] <Berny> hab grad tobi hier... du hast ne frage?
[13:43:21] <th> Berny: wrong channel?  ;)
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[13:49:45] <dustman> gerard13: have you tried to ask on paraview's mailing list?
[13:51:44] <gerard13> yes dustman, i'm wainting for a reply
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[13:52:27] <gerard13> noone seems using opensolaris in scientific apps, they are stucked at solaris 8 sparc :-(
[13:52:31] <glance> hurm. i have some strange problems with pkg.
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[13:53:13] <glance> it says "no space left.." when infact it bottoms out on 3.22G free in the rpool.
[13:53:22] <glance> no reservations or quotas...
[13:53:35] <glance> kind of anoying.
[13:53:47] <dustman> gerard13: strange... solaris is quite popular in academic biological environment
[13:54:01] <Rarok> just a question: Any news about adding disks to a RAIDZ?
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[13:55:25] <g4lt-work> no, it's been hte same procedure the whole time
[13:55:52] <gerard13> dustman: are you kidding? even adding new modules to python is a nightmare...
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[13:57:07] <codestr0m> glance: if you hit an IPS bug.. please file it @ bugs.opensolaris.org
[13:57:08] <g4lt-work> gerard13: and it's easy elsewhere?
[13:58:04] <glance> thats what im trying to figure out.
[13:58:06] <dustman> gerard13: for bioinformatics two langs are most used: perl and C
[13:58:19] <gerard13> yes, linux people have more helpful sites
[13:58:34] <gerard13> ah dustman i thought it was python
[13:58:59] <dustman> python? hm, Human Genome Project was mostly Perl
[13:59:14] <dustman> as many other projects
[13:59:43] <dustman> java is almost non-existent save for GUI
[14:00:15] <gerard13> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/python/2002/10/17/biopython.html
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[14:02:19] <dustman> http://www.bioperl.org/wiki/How_Perl_saved_human_genome
[14:03:18] <gerard13> ok dustman, you won :) i just want to compile paraview on opensolaris...
[14:03:59] <dustman> I'm not matematician anyway :)
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[14:05:54] <dustman> gerard13: can you use brandz if nothing else works?
[14:07:13] <gerard13> argh, i hope i could avoid it
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[14:21:04] <Gekz> dustman: is Human Genome Project was perl, no wonder it's so slow
[14:21:04] <Gekz> lol
[14:21:13] <asyd> huhu
[14:21:21] <Gekz> asyd: the man I want to see
[14:21:37] <Gekz> asyd: why do French people have the urge to come in tech support rooms and speak terrible english
[14:21:44] <Gekz> breaking grammar rules that exist in both French and English?
[14:22:01] <asyd> ahah
[14:22:16] <Gekz> like asking questions where the verb comes before teh subject
[14:22:18] <Gekz> why dont they do it?
[14:22:22] <Gekz> "Someone can help me ?"
[14:22:41] <asyd> because french people (including me) are too lazy to speak english correctly
[14:23:25] <Gekz> lol.
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[14:23:40] <Gekz> but it is expected that is an English person is to speak French that they must do it right?
[14:23:45] <asyd> well, it's not a joke :)
[14:24:05] <norman> Funny.
[14:24:24] <norman> I just thought about the word order in German. :)
[14:24:35] <Gekz> norman: dont do that
[14:24:36] <Gekz> lol
[14:24:50] <Gekz> German word order is great fun
[14:25:00] <Gekz> Ich werde Bier trinken.
[14:25:19] <Gekz> Ich habe Bier getrinkt.
[14:25:24] <Gekz> probably conjugated it bady
[14:25:25] <Gekz> badly*
[14:25:31] <norman> Your sentence would be "can me someone help?" ;) Okay, enough offtopic.
[14:25:31] <Gekz> I suck at conjugating German verbs
[14:26:02] <Gekz> Kann mich helfen haben?
[14:26:07] <Gekz> ich*
[14:26:29] <norman> No. Just translate it word by word. The order is already correct.
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[14:26:48] <Gekz> I know, but I forgot the word for someone
[14:26:49] <Gekz> lol
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[14:27:33] <Gekz> hmm
[14:28:18] <Gekz> Kann mich jemand helfen?
[14:28:21] <Gekz> or is it mir
[14:28:44] <Gekz> it's mich.
[14:28:53] <jmcp> and isn't it "Kannst" ?
[14:30:02] <Okona> it is 'mir'
[14:30:27] <Gekz> I am failing at German at 12.30am
[14:30:30] <Gekz> this is acceptable.
[14:30:39] <gerard13> Gekz: if you time to waste, perhaps you could try to compile Paraview on opensolaris, and i'll promise that i learn english during this time
[14:30:52] <Gekz> gerard13: lol, I dont use Solaris.
[14:30:59] <Gekz> I'm not using*
[14:31:02] <codestr0m> gerard13: what's the link to paraview?
[14:31:08] <gerard13> happy man :P
[14:31:15] <gerard13> paraview.org
[14:31:45] <codestr0m> did you post recently on the hpc list needing the 32bit version?
[14:31:54] <gerard13> sun guys offer binaires for release 3.0.1, but only in 64bits. And i need it for a laptop (32bits)
[14:32:07] <gerard13> yes codestrom, noone help
[14:32:11] <codestr0m> yeah.. I knew this was coming before you ever showed up here ;)
[14:32:17] <codestr0m> I responded telling you to compile it :P
[14:32:31] <gerard13> ok you're the "helpful" guy
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[14:33:09] <codestr0m> well. I had a feeling nobody else would bite on that.. so I'll take a look. honestly I focus almost exclusively on the other way.. x86_64 everything
[14:33:24] <codestr0m> gerard13: when is your presentation?
[14:33:49] <gerard13> Dec, 1
[14:34:10] <gerard13> a course with many people with linux laptops and macosx laptops
[14:34:12] <codestr0m> ok. do you need it built and on your laptop before then.. also feel free to pm me.. I'm not sure what's involved in this as I haven't personally packaged it
[14:35:16] <gerard13> i just need the binaries
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[14:42:14] <dustman> and so for earlier conversation that nobody needs opensolaris 32-bit :)
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[14:55:00] <gerard13> dustman, did you install linux dist in brandz? 2.6?
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[14:58:43] <CIA-34> John Ojemann <John.Ojemann at Sun dot COM>: 6677460 ipfilter automatic flushing of state table entries needs to work the same as it does for NAT, 6566976 state limit check works when limit is reached only, 6566982 state limit is not check when inserting states via IOCTL
[15:00:18] <dustman> gerard13: I never used brandz
[15:03:22] <dustman> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/
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[15:30:25] <peedy> anyone home?
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[15:30:42] <trochej> @work
[15:31:06] <peedy> lol, can anyone help me with bind on opensolaris
[15:32:06] <holcomb> what is the 3120?
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[15:33:55] <asyd> peedy: wat is the problem?
[15:34:21] <peedy> i followed the guide on genunix.org to setup bind on opensolaris
[15:34:29] <peedy> but for some reason it don't start
[15:34:38] <peedy> i can start it via the command line just fine
[15:34:47] <peedy> but through smf it don't
[15:35:01] <asyd> check logs?
[15:35:18] <peedy> Reason: Start method failed repeatedly, last exited with status 1.
[15:35:33] <trochej> peedy: tried named -f ?
[15:35:49] <peedy> no, what is -f?
[15:35:57] <trochej> foreground
[15:36:04] <trochej> It will spill logs on your console
[15:36:23] <trochej> Or -g
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[15:36:28] <peedy> no haven't tried that
[15:36:28] <trochej> I don't remember
[15:36:34] <holcomb> named-checkconf and named-checkzone are also handy
[15:36:39] <CosmicDJ> I'd start with named-checkconf ; then I'd read some more about "maintenance" in svcadm
[15:36:57] <peedy> it runs via cli though
[15:37:21] <peedy> if I run /usr/sbin/named -u bind -c /etc/namedb/named.conf
[15:37:23] <peedy> it starts
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[15:38:16] <trochej> Doesn't Solaris named expect named.conf and rndc.key in /etc/ ?
[15:38:45] <peedy> this is what I followed, http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_Up_DNS/BIND_On_a_Home_Network
[15:38:53] <holcomb> you can speficy where it is with options/configuration_file
[15:39:12] <peedy> tried that too didn't seem to make a difference
[15:39:41] <trochej> holcomb: I know, but if OS manifest is the same as solaris 10, then named.conf and rndc.key are exptected to be in /etc/
[15:40:22] <trochej> We may be barking at a wrong tree, anyway
[15:40:47] <holcomb> did you svcadm refresh after changing it?
[15:41:01] <peedy> i'll do it again to just make sure
[15:41:24] <peedy> do I do a clear then refresh or vice versa?
[15:41:41] <trochej> refresh, then clear
[15:42:04] <CosmicDJ> "run everywhere"
[15:42:08] <CosmicDJ> ww
[15:42:13] <holcomb> these instructions are broken
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[15:42:46] <peedy> options/configuration_file         astring  /etc/namedb/named.conf
[15:42:55] <peedy> start/exec                         astring  /usr/sbin/named
[15:43:24] <peedy> those are current properties
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[15:44:23] <peedy> any ideas holcomb?
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[15:49:04] <holcomb> what about start/user?  is that root or bind?
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[15:49:28] <peedy> bind
[15:49:53] <holcomb> dunno then
[15:49:54] <CosmicDJ> grep bind /etc/passwd
[15:49:58] <holcomb> check the svc log
[15:50:07] <CosmicDJ> did you create the bind user?
[15:50:08] <holcomb> and the named log
[15:50:13] <CosmicDJ> it's not there by default IIRC
[15:50:57] <peedy> admin@nasbox:~# grep bind /etc/passwd
[15:50:57] <peedy> bind:x:53:53:BIND:/:
[15:51:19] <CosmicDJ> no clue then
[15:53:41] <itsmenow> does anyone have copies of solaris 8 for the PC?
[15:54:25] <peedy> [ Nov 20 09:53:19 Executing start method ("/usr/sbin/named -u bind"). ]
[15:54:25] <peedy> [ Nov 20 09:53:19 Method "start" exited with status 1. ]
[15:54:41] <holcomb> okay here's the real problem: those instructions are brainded
[15:54:44] <holcomb> dead
[15:55:21] <holcomb> revert the start method back to what it was, change start/user to named, and set options/configuration_file
[15:55:24] <holcomb> then try
[15:55:29] <holcomb> err bind
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[15:55:51] <holcomb> why do people insist on horking with things that are perfectly fine un-horked?
[15:56:07] <peedy> what is the default start method?
[15:56:10] <peedy> i don't have it anymore
[15:56:40] <holcomb> start/exec astring /lib/svc/method/dns-server\ %m\ %i
[15:56:52] <peedy> thank you
[15:59:04] <peedy> thanks holcomb
[15:59:07] <peedy> that fixed it
[15:59:17] <peedy> nasbox.local.domain        *.*                0      0 49152      0 LISTEN
[15:59:18] <peedy> 192.168.0.5.domain         *.*                0      0 49152      0 LISTEN
[15:59:33] <peedy> [ Nov 20 09:58:19 Executing start method ("/lib/svc/method/dns-server start default"). ]
[15:59:33] <peedy> dns-server: Executing: /usr/sbin/named  -c /etc/namedb/named.conf
[15:59:33] <peedy> [ Nov 20 09:58:19 Method "start" exited with status 0. ]
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[16:22:31] <foldingstock> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/
[16:22:34] <foldingstock> haha
[16:23:14] <holcomb> hahahaha
[16:23:32] <slonik> rofl
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[16:25:43] <TomJ> ha
[16:26:58] <proberts> I like that
[16:26:58] <proberts> haha
[16:27:55] <Cyrille> not as good as http://goosh.org though.
[16:28:20] <foldingstock> Cyrille: its nothing at all like goosh you moron
[16:28:35] <foldingstock> its purpose is to make fun of people that can't search for questions themselves
[16:28:40] <Cyrille> right.
[16:29:37] <foldingstock> :)
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[16:34:41] <kimc> trying to get at iSCSI target running using COMSTAR
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[16:35:43] <kimc> sbdadm always returns: Unable to open device. Is the driver attached ?
[16:38:29] <Cripps> okay, the hardware I have to try opensolaris with won't take the 2008.11 stuff, so I've got myself a Milax cd. I currently have the system running from the cd ... the instructions I've seen to install it are: pfexec zfsinstall c0d0s0 c0d0s1 (from usb stick, mind you). I already have a first partition in use (/dev/hda1 in linux-speek, (hd0,0) in grub), what mods would I make to that command to install to my second partition (which is an opensolaris p
[16:38:29] <Cripps> artition)?
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[16:40:43] <Cripps> oh ... sorry, looks like that's a script specific to milax.
[16:40:48] * g4lt-work usually prefers justfuckingooglei.com.  in fact, it was the "STFW" link in topic for hte longest time ;P
[16:41:52] <Cripps> g4lt-work: well, I *am* googling, that's how I came to the command ;)
[16:42:26] <Cripps> oop ... have some I/O finished ... bbl
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[16:51:56] <glance> packagemanager 57% ( core2 2.16Ghz ) 753M Res
[16:52:02] <glance> thats just silly....
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[17:22:43] <codestr0m> glance: lol
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[17:36:25] <Tobbe> I have a few aliases set in ~/.bashrc
[17:36:52] <Tobbe> They work great when I log in locally on the machine, but when I log in using ssh they don't work at all. What could be the problem?
[17:37:39] <Tobbe> I just get "command not found" when trying one of the aliases when logged in through ssh
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[17:42:42] <Tobbe> it works if I source .bashrc from the ssh shell
[17:43:01] <Tobbe> is there anything I can do so I don't have to do that on every login?
[17:43:48] <jrms> Tobbe: echo '. ~/.bashrc' >~/.bash_profile
[17:45:25] <Tobbe> thanks
[17:45:38] <jrms> np
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[17:48:42] <Tobbe> gave me a nicer prompt too :)
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[18:04:43] <vargadanis> hello
[18:04:56] <vargadanis> is the source code of ZFS downloadable?
[18:05:14] <CosmicDJ> yes
[18:05:17] <xRaich[o]2x> vargadanis: yes
[18:05:37] <vargadanis> could somebody give me a link? I was searching for it, but couldn't find it
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[18:05:43] <seanmcg> opensolaris.org
[18:06:21] <seanmcg> opensolaris.org, and the link to the left hand side which says 'Get the Source'
[18:06:34] <spo0ner> hey everyone...hoping I can find some help with something...does anyone know if there is a linux equivalent to the solaris prtdiag?
[18:06:43] <seanmcg> lspci
[18:06:48] <spo0ner> I know this is a solaris forum
[18:07:08] <seanmcg> and possibly cat /proc/foo
[18:07:13] <spo0ner> but some solaris guys have to deal with linux
[18:07:47] <spo0ner> I have those...but my problem is that I have an old version of suse running on some sun hardware and there is a fault light on the front but I can't find any faults
[18:08:08] <CosmicDJ> sparc?
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[18:08:18] <spo0ner> nothing in dmesg or anything...I tried hwinfo but that doesn't give me the results I'm looking for
[18:08:23] <spo0ner> its sun x86_64
[18:08:38] <seanmcg> vargadanis, the zfs source is part of the whole ON src (kernel and related bits).  See the latest tarball off: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/
[18:09:13] <seanmcg> spo0ner, lspci and cating various /proc/foo
[18:09:26] <spo0ner> its a Sunfire x4200
[18:09:27] <xRaich[o]2x> vargadanis: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/
[18:10:00] <spo0ner> but do those show errors?
[18:10:18] <seanmcg> the cat /proc/foo may, don't know otherwise.
[18:10:33] <spo0ner> again, I have to apologize for asking in here...just running out of places to look :(
[18:10:36] <spo0ner> thanks for all the help
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[18:14:01] <vargadanis> thanx for the help here guys
[18:14:19] <vargadanis> i would have never found that code:) I got lost on the page :)
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[19:00:56] <Asako> how do I import domains I've created using xm?
[19:02:06] <Asako> should I dumpxml and import them?
[19:03:32] <skullone> irc.
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[19:06:37] <Tobbe> Does anyone have any experience with FreeNX on OpenSolaris? The client gets stuck at "Negotiating link parameters" when trying to connect.
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[19:10:10] <spo0ner> does anyone know the keysequence to get in to ILOM on a x86_64 sun system?
[19:10:21] <spo0ner> it's #. on the sparc but not on the x86 for some reason
[19:10:56] <timsf> esc ( I think
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[19:15:31] <Tobbe> the line length when entering commands in the console seems to be around 80. Is there anyway to increase this? Or atleast make it wrap to a new row and not start overwriting the beginning of the current row?
[19:16:43] <scriptdevil> I have a rather freaky question. The Linux world is kinda fighting within itself for supremacy. It keeps bullshitting Microsoft too. I hate M$, but constantly rebuking it kinda gets on my nerves. Does this kind of a situation come up here too?
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[19:17:16] <scriptdevil> Tobbe: Doesn't it automatically wrap into a new row?
[19:17:36] <Tobbe> no, it starts over on the *same* row
[19:18:14] <scriptdevil> Tobbe: which consoler are you using gnome-terminal or what?
[19:18:15] <Tobbe> this is only when I enter commands though. Output of commands works like they should
[19:18:40] <Tobbe> it's the same both when using gnome-terminal and when connected using putty and ssh
[19:19:27] <scriptdevil> hmmm..
[19:19:31] * scriptdevil shrugs
[19:20:04] <e^ipi> Tobbe, echo $SHELL
[19:20:15] <Tobbe> /bin/bash
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[19:21:46] <e^ipi> ksh93 has multi-line editing which is quite awesome
[19:22:05] <e^ipi> that said, shopt has a setwinsize option
[19:22:12] <e^ipi> google for correct syntax
[19:22:40] <e^ipi> or setmaxwinsize or checkwinsize or something
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[19:23:24] <scriptdevil> Is it possible to install opensolaris without gnome
[19:24:05] <Tobbe> yeah, checkwinsize exists
[19:24:21] <scriptdevil> oh well... fine
[19:24:22] <scriptdevil> bye
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[19:27:04] <Tobbe> thanks, that works :)
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[19:29:43] <e^ipi> probably want to put it in your ~/.bashrc
[19:29:53] <Tobbe> already done :)
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[19:36:41] <Tobbe> I'm still trying to get smb/server working. With help I got yesterday I've determined that the problem is that the smbsrv kernel module doesn't get loaded. Any ideas why that might be?
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[19:37:24] <Tobbe> I found the module at /kernel/drv/amd64/smbsrv, but when I try to modload it I get "No such device or address"
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[19:39:42] <Asako> what happens when you rename a zfs that's iscsi exported?
[19:39:55] <Doc> smoke!
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[19:42:11] <Asako> I want to test out iscsi failover today
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[19:43:47] <throwt> Tobbe: what does dmesg say when you try to load it?
[19:45:16] <Tobbe> just executing 'dmesg' gives me what looks like a log, but the newest entry is like an hour old
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[19:45:25] <Tobbe> so I guess dmesg says nothing?
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[19:51:23] <Tobbe> throwt: output of dmesg | grep smb: http://paste2.org/p/104585
[19:52:57] <throwt> what does modinfo | grep smb say?
[19:54:59] <Tobbe> http://paste2.org/p/104587
[19:55:16] <Asako> check /var/adm/messages
[19:56:11] <Asako> my dmesg is always about an hour old too
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[19:56:33] <bigjohnto> anyone know if there is a possibility of getting the source code of ckyorn
[19:56:38] <bigjohnto>  http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-0210/6m6nb7m6a?a=view
[19:57:03] <Asako> is it normal for qemu-dm to use 35% cpu?
[19:57:28] <throwt> depends what your vm is doing, but it sounds reasonable
[19:57:36] <Asako> installing windows
[19:57:40] <jamesd> Asako, depends on what your domU is doing.
[19:57:52] <Asako> which is taking forever
[19:57:58] <Tobbe> Asako: latest message there is as old as the message from dmesg (about 1h20min now)
[19:58:39] <jamesd> Asako, give it more memory, may go faster.. or give it less.. hard to tell just best to try different values and see what gets you the best results
[19:58:45] <CIA-34> Prakash Jalan <Prakash.Jalan at Sun dot COM>: 6705103 b_rptr of the newly allocated mblk is not incremented by sd_wroff, 6753403 sendfilev() can send zero length packets down
[19:58:46] <CIA-34> Mike Christensen <Michael.Christensen at Sun dot COM>: FWARC/2008/563 Virtual Domain Service MD nodes and misc. properties, FWARC/2008/696 Virtual Domain Service Domain Name Properties, 6770256 Domain Services loopback doesn't work, 6770263 Domain Services client service registration request should not force reregister, 6770266 Virtual Domain Services should implement FWARC/2008/563 and FWARC/2008/696
[19:59:26] <throwt> Asako: what kind of virtualization did you choose?
[19:59:35] <throwt> if its not accelerated, it would go slow
[19:59:52] <Asako> just hvm
[20:00:07] <throwt> curious how much your i/o is.  is it 2-3mb/s or more?
[20:00:10] <e^ipi> it's windows, there's only one thing to choose
[20:00:16] <e^ipi> hvm.
[20:00:52] <Asako> zpool iostat looks fine
[20:00:53] <jamesd> my winXP domu does better than i expected, gave it 1GB of ram on a 6GB box.. with disks on a 4x 500GB raidz pool.
[20:01:09] <throwt> "looks fine?"
[20:01:33] <g4lt-work> brandwin? ;P
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[20:01:38] <Asako> no big deal, I'll just wait
[20:01:54] <throwt> well, i have an issue with having 5.5GB of ram that sometimes the maximum disk throughput i can get is 2-3MB/s
[20:02:04] <Asako> windows branded zone would rock
[20:02:10] <Asako> but how would it work?
[20:02:15] <e^ipi> likely not
[20:02:24] <e^ipi> oh, how would it work
[20:02:28] <e^ipi> likely it wouldn't
[20:02:32] <vmlemon_> Would a ReactOS branded zone suffice? ;)
[20:02:52] <Asako> surprised there's only linux
[20:02:53] <Triskelios> linux have kernel extensions for wine at one point...
[20:02:56] * vmlemon_ ponders the Apple Darwin/Mac OS X branded zone that will never be
[20:03:09] <Asako> no FreeBSD zones?
[20:03:21] <throwt> what software runs on freebsd only?
[20:03:23] <Triskelios> Asako: not many people have freebsd binaries they can't recompile
[20:03:37] <Asako> true
[20:03:42] <Asako> how about a VMS zone, lol
[20:03:49] <jamesd> vmlemon, perhaps apple will opensource there gui, then their could be a freebsd/apple gui zone.
[20:04:00] <Triskelios> Asako: just run a VAX emulator =P
[20:04:07] <Asako> I still want to find a copy of VMS
[20:04:16] <g4lt-work> more importantly, not many *BSD binaries fail to work out-of-the-box on solaris
[20:04:18] <throwt> my coworker has vms
[20:04:31] <Triskelios> Asako: they still give out openvms hobby licences
[20:04:37] <Triskelios> yes, even today
[20:04:41] <jbk> throwt: has he seen a doctor?
[20:04:48] <Asako> I might try that
[20:05:54] <vmlemon_> Not sure how useful a NetBSD or OpenBSD branded zone would be, given that there's very little non-open source software built specially for them
[20:05:59] <vmlemon_> (as far as I know)
[20:06:33] <Asako> yeah, everything is linux
[20:06:33] <Triskelios> vmlemon_: yeah, possibly except in the embedded world
[20:06:40] <e^ipi> a unixware branded zone would probably be more useful
[20:06:49] <Asako> I'm kind of surprised tivo doesn't use netbsd
[20:06:55] <vmlemon_> Or cough, "Open"Server
[20:07:03] <Triskelios> vmlemon_: same thing
[20:07:04] <jamesd> vmlemon, you could combine  the *bsd with dtrace and use them to debug software that will be deployed on *bsd later perhaps something that would be embeded later.
[20:07:11] <g4lt-work> besides, typically zones can't break arch boundaries, and htere's no VMS/X86
[20:07:23] <e^ipi> Asako, it's advertising
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[20:07:32] <vmlemon_> QNX-branded zone might be unusual
[20:07:39] <e^ipi> linux is hip so they used that
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[20:07:48] <vmlemon_> although I question the utility of it, other for running Photon
[20:07:48] <Asako> but the licensing
[20:08:00] <Asako> same with my dsl router, etc.
[20:08:13] <e^ipi> if parts of linux started being gpl3 they'd likely ditch it like a bad habit
[20:08:22] <g4lt-work> brandmac? ;P
[20:08:28] <vmlemon_> Xenix branded zone?
[20:08:41] <Triskelios> Asako: there's been lots of embedded work on linux that led to SoC manufacturer adoption
[20:08:48] <vmlemon_> Hell, Banyan VINES, not that anyone uses it anymore ;)
[20:09:03] <vmlemon_> (Although that probably counts as Xenix)
[20:09:21] <Asako> I guess xVM works, run any OS you want
[20:09:50] <vmlemon_> Haiku-branded zones!
[20:10:02] <Asako> I've ran haiku on xen
[20:10:21] <Asako> it just panicked
[20:10:49] <vmlemon_> Not so full of Xen, then? ;)
[20:10:51] <vmlemon_> *Zen
[20:11:32] <g4lt-work> brandbe
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[20:12:19] <vmlemon_> Needs a brandingiron(1) utility
[20:13:11] <Asako> shouldn't iscsi notice that my target IP has moved?
[20:13:23] <Asako> NOTICE: iscsi connection(7) unable to connect to target iqn.1986-03.com.sun:02:5676d547-2aba-cbde-d276-b94a08c983ca
[20:14:01] <Asako> and will it reconnect?
[20:15:37] <Asako> yeah, I don't think it worked
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[20:17:02] <Asako> hmm, restarting the initiator might have fixed it
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[20:35:51] <jamesd> hmm the change-log to b103 is missing...
[20:40:20] <Asako> has anybody messed with hdtach on windows xvm?
[20:40:23] <codestr0m> jamesd! good evening
[20:40:39] <g4lt-work> that's because "removed the changes to 100 and 102 because they broke things" got redundant
[20:40:43] <Asako> and why would my disk only show 2 MB/s ?
[20:40:46] <jamesd> you must be in the uk.. its only 1:42 pm here
[20:41:09] <codestr0m> jamesd: close.. I'm on mainland eu
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[20:41:20] <codestr0m> you must be in SJ or the bay area?
[20:41:31] <jamesd> Asako, highly random access pattern, damaged disk, bad controller...  ultra 5?
[20:42:08] <jamesd> i'm in the midwest,  sj, bay area  would be 11:43am
[20:42:35] <jamesd> Asako, is it connected via usb 1.0 interface
[20:42:38] <Asako> well, I just moved the iscsi target IP to my AVS mirror
[20:42:51] <Asako> so I'm not even sure if the disk reconnected
[20:43:10] <jamesd> okay its  iscsi... that could explain a lot.
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[20:43:28] <Asako> last thing in messages is from it going down
[20:43:50] <Asako> [root at sctest2 dot liquidweb.com] ~ >> dsstat -m sndr
[20:43:51] <Asako> name              t  s    pct role    kps   tps  svt
[20:43:51] <Asako> dev/rdsk/c2d1s0   S  L   0.14  net      0     0    0
[20:43:54] <Asako> seems to be picking up changes
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[20:51:30] <bigjohnto> wdbindf, is missing when i compile ckyorn and what not
[20:51:41] <bigjohnto> anyone have any ideas where wdbindf is missing?
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[20:52:35] <the_unmaker> I tried opensolaris with gnome slow
[20:52:40] <the_unmaker> im back on archlinux with iceWM
[20:52:44] <the_unmaker> was gnome makign ti slow?
[20:52:54] <the_unmaker> maybe I should give opensol another chance
[20:54:06] <codestr0m> the_unmaker: what's your system specs?
[20:54:08] <e^ipi> you probably don't have enough ram
[20:54:13] <e^ipi> solaris loves ram
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[20:55:01] <bigjohnto> anyone have any ideas on that wdbindf?
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[20:56:10] <e^ipi> bigjohnto: libintl.h
[20:56:15] <the_unmaker> 2G ram
[20:56:21] <bigjohnto> thanks
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[20:56:33] <the_unmaker> athlon 64
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[20:56:50] <the_unmaker> 2.4Ghz
[20:57:13] <e^ipi> cpu is irrelevant , it runs fine on a couple 300mhz cpu's
[20:57:24] <the_unmaker> k
[20:57:29] <e^ipi> sounds like gnome being stupid *shrug*
[20:57:37] <e^ipi> nuke it from orbit, install something smaller
[20:57:45] <e^ipi> fluxbox or whatever
[20:57:49] <the_unmaker> in all fairness I only used gnome because it autoinstaleld it
[20:57:54] <the_unmaker> on arch i avoid gnome
[20:58:03] <the_unmaker> iceWM :)
[20:58:08] <e^ipi> sure
[20:58:13] <jamesd> i don't understand why gnome is so painful, it doesn't have anywhere enough features to feel as bloated as it does.
[20:58:26] <the_unmaker> programming by comitte
[20:58:31] <e^ipi> heh
[20:58:38] <CIA-34> Pramod Batni <Pramod.Batni at Sun dot COM>: 6748342 CPU Solaris stress test hangs
[20:58:38] <CIA-34> John Sonnenschein <John.Sonnenschein at Sun dot COM>: 6773896 hg pbchk throws exception when webrti disappears
[20:58:52] <jamesd> kde has many more features, and feels faster.
[20:59:12] <bigjohnto> someone pastebin the libintl.h for me please?
[21:00:03] <e^ipi> bigjohnto: it's in opengrok
[21:00:07] <e^ipi> src.opensolaris.org
[21:00:40] <e^ipi> it's also in /usr/include
[21:00:48] <bigjohnto> yea just saw it
[21:00:50] <bigjohnto> sorry for the bother
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[21:06:11] <Asako> holy crap, PV drivers make a HUGE difference
[21:07:19] <hecki> nabend
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[21:26:14] <Archite> well, I solved my issues with gtk apps suddenly slowing down to a crawl, heh
[21:26:33] <Archite> basically, it would happen when I was typing something too quickly.
[21:26:53] <Archite> Turns out that disabling iiim causes all kinds of strange issues, heh. So, I guess I'll now be keeping it running
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[21:39:39] <gothos> Archite: iiim?
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[21:42:16] <Archite> gothos, Input Method Switcher
[21:42:45] <Archite> try running $(pkill iiim) and then try typing fast in a gtk window such as xchat, gedit, gnome-terminal or the like
[21:43:20] <gothos> ah, okay
[21:43:38] <Archite> didn't quite connect to the two until yesterday, heh
[21:44:32] <gothos> I don't have anything like that running here anyway
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[22:26:55] <kimc> now installing b101.. hopefully sbdadm does the Right Thing on this version
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[22:58:45] <CIA-34> Peter Shoults <Peter.Shoults at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2008/572 Kerberos autologin for r-cmds, 6683649 krb5.conf autologin setting should be valid for rsh/rlogin/rcp/rdist as well as telnet
[22:58:46] <CIA-34> Jerry Gilliam <Jerry.Gilliam at Sun dot COM>: 6771769 assumptions about metastat output hose update_grub and bfu
[22:58:47] <CIA-34> Qiyan Sun - Sun Microsystems - San Diego United States <Qiyan.Sun at Sun dot COM>: 6760343 MAXQ with UDP_STREAM failed with hxge, 6770809 Sunvts-hxge failed
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[23:20:48] <jamesd> has anyone had much luck getting a  older sun with a 13w3 connector to work with a non sun branded lcd monitor?
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[23:22:12] <gothos> jamesd: sure, you just need an adapter
[23:22:18] <h3sp4wn> i had a SS20 years ago with just a 13w3 -> vga
[23:22:34] <h3sp4wn> If you need DVI there is an SGI box that should work
[23:22:57] <gothos> yeah, I only have the 13w3 -> ga too
[23:22:57] <jamesd> i know in the past you had to have a nice crt monitor to have it support sync ratios used by older sun gear like the u2.
[23:23:02] <gothos> *vga
[23:23:36] <jamesd> i'm not sure how the new lcd monitors deal with wierd sync  like 72hz.. put out by sun boxes
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[23:23:58] <gothos> hm, dunno. I just tried that with other crt monitors
[23:25:05] <jamesd> i'm hoping to get rid of most if not all crt's i have around the house after black friday  quite a few places will have 19" lcd's for $100.
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[23:32:27] <Asako> think I just killed one of my boxes
[23:33:33] <vmlemon_> You boxmurderer! ;)
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[23:35:51] <Asako> yup, zpool import crashed it
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[23:39:34] <Asako> and now I can't import the pool
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[23:42:53] <Asako> I don't think it's supposed to do that, hehe
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[23:45:10] <Asako> where would zfs log a crash?
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[23:46:31] <jamesd> Asako, the OS would log the crash in /var/chash/hostname
[23:46:34] <jamesd> er crash
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[23:50:15] <Asako> well, I have crash files
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