[00:00:01] <e^ipi> solution: don't try to cram solaris on a toaster.
[00:00:14] <throwt> solution: dont use solaris
[00:00:15] <ShadowHntr> lol
[00:00:21] <e^ipi> 2GB of ram is standard these days.
[00:00:37] <e^ipi> solaris runs quite comfortably on that much
[00:00:43] <bda> dustman: No.
[00:01:12] <Triskelios> e^ipi: seriously though, that is not realistic for many applications
[00:01:46] <e^ipi> Triskelios: solaris isn't designed for those applications
[00:01:48] <consanguinity> it is quite useful to be able to run freebsd or linux vms in 512M without performance sucking
[00:02:02] <Triskelios> johannes: just checked, my bzr  (1.6.1rc1) works fine without that file
[00:02:20] <throwt> if I have 1GB ram, and I am using 750MB of it with kernel and anonymous memory, why should copying a 600mb file caused X, xmms, everything else to slow down to an unusable pace (one sound "packet" every 5 seconds)
[00:02:29] <throwt> ONLY on solaris
[00:03:09] <throwt> LibMicro was developed by Bart Smaalders and Phil Harman as part of their If Linux is faster it's a Solaris bug performance campaign.
[00:03:15] <throwt> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/libmicro/
[00:03:25] <ShadowHntr> ?
[00:03:29] <Triskelios> alanc: there are a lot of nice things that should hopefully come with VM 2.0
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[00:04:08] <throwt> why such a split in ideals?  one side, "if its faster on linux, we'll improve" and the other side "even though only solaris behaves this way, its still your fault" - sun still doesnt get it
[00:04:28] <consanguinity> e^ipi doesn't speak for all of sun
[00:04:38] <e^ipi> no, i certainly do not
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[00:04:57] <consanguinity> (neither do any of the other sun people here... things said on IRC are just opinions)
[00:05:02] <e^ipi> i don't speak on behalf of sun at all, typically
[00:05:14] <e^ipi> my opinions are mine alone
[00:05:17] <johannes> Triskelios: hm, I'll digg a bit tomorrow or so, thanks anyways ...
[00:05:29] <e^ipi> and my opinion is that old machines are boring, so i don't care
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[00:09:56] <e^ipi> ( and by the way, linux doesn't run on my old 486 with 4M of ram either ... eventually everything stops being worthwhile to optimize for )
[00:10:28] * purserj hands e^ipi a copy of yygdrassil linux, that should do it
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[00:11:10] <jbk> dammit, a brand new modern OS should run on my 1mb 386 DX2! and be fast!
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[00:12:12] <throwt> Solaris doesnt have feelings, so they cant get hurt.
[00:13:16] <alanc> e^ipi: sure it does, you just have to go back to Linux 0.99.... I remember people running that on 486's and arguing that 4Mb was enough to boot, but you really needed 8Mb to run an X session...
[00:13:25] <holcomb> i blame X.
[00:13:44] <alanc> so do I, constantly
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[00:13:54] <holcomb> haha
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[00:13:56] * e^ipi blames alanc ;)
[00:14:01] <throwt> blame Sun for saying their axe can be used as a dental drill, and denying the fact that it is an axe
[00:14:03] <alanc> if it wasn't for X, the list of bugs I have to fix would be so much shorter
[00:14:23] <e^ipi> throwt: when has sun ever claimed that solaris was ideal for embedded environments
[00:14:32] <sfuentes> why use X on solaris?
[00:14:34] <alanc> of course, I wouldn't be getting a paycheck either without X, so I can't complain too much 8-)
[00:14:42] <e^ipi> alanc: 0 is a length.
[00:14:56] <throwt> 1GB is hardly embedded
[00:15:09] <alanc> sfuentes: because running the 24" LCD on my SPARC workstation as a 80x24 text terminal is such a waste...
[00:15:21] <throwt> granted, it was 2 years ago when I did this.  however, i think i would still get shit performance if i reduced my ram to 2gb
[00:15:38] <sfuentes> alanc: ok, why use X on a solaris server?
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[00:15:58] <alanc> because the 100 Sun Ray terminals connected to it are useless without X?
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[00:16:35] <e^ipi> and oracle complains if you don't have it
[00:16:38] <alanc> if it's a pure file or web or whatever server, with no local display or Sun Rays, then by all means turn off X
[00:16:39] <e^ipi> for some reason...
[00:17:01] <alanc> X has remote display from machines like that to your desktop
[00:17:11] <bahamat> throwt: 1GB of flash is now about $10.  My cell phone has 8GB.  I'd call that embedded.
[00:17:13] <sfuentes> i see
[00:17:29] <Triskelios> bahamat: your cell phone does not have 1GB of DRAM
[00:17:31] <throwt> bahamat: since when is permanant storage the same as main memory?
[00:17:46] <bahamat> Triskelios: I said flash
[00:18:02] <consanguinity> bahamat: the conversation is about RAM required to run the system, not storage space
[00:18:03] <dustman> X is crap anyway
[00:18:25] <dustman> and ufs doesn't need as much ram
[00:18:45] <bahamat> 1G DRAM is $13
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[00:19:21] <alanc> my cell phone has 2Gb (though it's flash, not DRAM)
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[00:20:25] <c00p> smbadm rocks with making groups and windows ACLS now :)
[00:20:27] <vmlemon_> Wouldn't 1GB+ DRAM be overkill in a mobile phone?
[00:20:57] <c00p> connecting the mmc rocks too can let my windows admins fix permissions
[00:21:00] <bahamat> vmlemon: I don't think so
[00:21:18] <vmlemon_> 1GB user storage, I'd understand
[00:21:22] <Triskelios> bahamat: there is an inherent problem in that statement, which assumes you already have the investment in a fairly new memory controller to use the RAM at that price point
[00:21:27] <bahamat> I read somewhere that solaris 10 can be an active directory PDC, is that true?
[00:21:37] <vmlemon_> (I have a 2GB RS-MMC card in my phone at the moment)
[00:22:52] <bahamat> Triskelios: granted, and my phone only has (sadly) about 128M of RAM
[00:23:54] <Triskelios> bahamat: samba works as a PDC, and certainly runs on S10
[00:24:10] <bahamat> Triskelios: for AD?
[00:26:03] <davidX-> anyone toyed with lustre fs?
[00:26:32] <Triskelios> bahamat: I believe, so, in combination with an ldap server
[00:26:52] <bahamat> Triskelios: that's the real trick
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[00:27:25] <e^ipi> davidX-: that's a linux filesystem
[00:27:39] <davidX-> e^ipi: i know but knowing the crowd here i figured i'd ask
[00:27:47] <davidX-> since sun bought cfs
[00:28:09] <Triskelios> bahamat: it think just needs a particular schema
[00:28:59] <e^ipi> davidX-: if it's not part of solaris or at least usable on solaris, probably not the most helpful place to ask about it
[00:29:34] <bahamat> Triskelios: you'd think so...it's actually not as straightforward as it seems.  I don't know of anyone who's succeeded
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[00:31:24] <dustman> oh man, ips sucks big time
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[00:32:21] <Triskelios> bahamat: hm... there seem to be a few guides online. samba also has an IRC channel here
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[00:36:34] <codestr0m> dustman: awww.. come on .. tell us how you really feel :P
[00:37:34] <codestr0m> you know the guys in #pkg5 are waiting for your patch or a way to solve a specific problem you're having..
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[00:39:09] <dustman> codestr0m: got me :(
[00:39:36] <codestr0m> dustman: what happened. anything you can get help with or known issue?
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[00:40:05] <codestr0m> haven't you been using solaris before or for a while?
[00:41:52] <dustman> codestr0m: I've used both for a while
[00:42:12] <dustman> I can't see how to easy manage packages using ips tho
[00:42:34] <dustman> de-installing package and dependencies is PAIN
[00:43:00] * e^ipi wishes you had said 'hard' instead of 'a pain'
[00:43:07] <e^ipi> because then i could counter with "NP-hard"
[00:43:29] <e^ipi> ( package graphs are still 3SAT )
[00:43:40] <alanc> pkg uninstall SUNWfoo doesn't seem that hard
[00:43:45] <e^ipi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_satisfiability_problem
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[00:43:58] <alanc> or pkg uninstall -r SUNWfoo if you want everything that depends on it
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[00:47:18] <sfuentes> any ultra workstations in the house? :)
[00:47:28] <kleppari> I have an old ultra 5
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[00:47:48] <alanc> I have an Ultra 40 8-)
[00:47:56] <sfuentes> ultra 20 here
[00:48:09] <sfuentes> the 40 looks nice
[00:48:28] <sfuentes> sparcs are not up to par these days, right?
[00:48:41] <sfuentes> well at least in price/perf ratio
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[00:50:24] <kleppari> can someone do me a favor?  Open up System -> Preferences -> Keyboard, increase the repeat speed to around half, put the cursor in the test field and hold down a key?
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[00:50:39] <kleppari> to see if you can make it..  'choppy'
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[00:56:54] <dep> Wow, Keurig does have some nicer looking stuff.  e.g. Twinings.
[00:57:02] <dep> (wrong channel)
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[00:58:40] <CIA-34> Krishnendu Sadhukhan - Sun Microsystems <Krishnendu.Sadhukhan at Sun dot COM>: 6758542 CPC Core2: recent counter name changes are not in alignment with the PRM
[00:58:41] <CIA-34> Ramana.Srikanth <Ramana.Srikanth at Sun dot COM>: 6589009 SUNWscmu CAS issues with regular upgrade and live upgrade in snv_69 and onward, 6759396 empty "space" files are unnecessary and should be removed, 6773186 SUNWiiu package has upgradability issues
[00:58:47] <pumpkin_> dep: is that #keurig?
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[01:25:28] <e^ipi> dep: the coffee out of those things is pretty bad though
[01:25:43] * e^ipi reccomends a grind&brew machine
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[01:29:09] <e^ipi> assuming you don't have 2 grand to blow
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[01:30:25] <e^ipi> afternoon stevel
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[01:32:07] <stevel> heya e^ipi
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[01:35:03] <jbk> hmm never even got a confirmation for the bug report i filed
[01:35:41] <alanc> sometimes bugs.os.o loses them, other times it takes a while
[01:37:06] <e^ipi> jbk, if you clicked the "security bug" box it disappears in to the void never to be heard of again
[01:37:13] <jbk> this isn't
[01:37:22] <alanc> what was the bug?
[01:37:28] <jbk> just an incorrectly linked lib
[01:37:46] <alanc> 6772417 NetSNMP perl module isn't linking properly ?
[01:37:47] <jbk> Net::SNMP's .so doesn't have the right rpath
[01:37:49] <jbk> yeah
[01:38:07] <alanc> sitting in the triage-queue, waiting for one of us to figure out where to put it
[01:38:13] <sfuentes> anybody familiar with llvm?
[01:38:37] <Aria> Only vaguely.
[01:38:37] <alanc> let's try... the net-snmp category you suggested...
[01:40:03] <alanc> darn, it's linking with perl 5.8.4, not 5.6.1, can't make e^ipi fix it
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[01:40:19] <e^ipi> my fix would be 'remove the damned thing'
[01:40:43] <e^ipi> :)
[01:41:00] <e^ipi> it's only been officially obsolete and pending removal for 3 years now
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[01:42:45] <e^ipi> ( why does everyone assume I own perl? )
[01:44:15] <jamesd> hmm there is a that famous addage about casting perl before swine ;-)
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[01:47:09] <e^ipi> you should be ashamed of yourself.
[01:47:39] <e^ipi> that was terrible.
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[01:55:15] <jamesd> let them eat pi ;-)
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[01:56:52] <steego> acls are confusing.. how do i go about it if i want to enforce +rw on all files created by any user in a dir?
[01:57:05] <steego> for everyone
[01:57:43] <jamesd> there are 2 different acl standards, one defined for solaris 8 and newer on ufs, and the other is limited to ZFS/nfsv4
[01:57:55] <steego> i'm using zfs
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[01:58:40] <CIA-34> Shidokht Yadegari <Shidokht.Yadegari at Sun dot COM>: 6769932 fdisk doesn't deal with Windows partition correctly
[02:00:13] <e^ipi> steego: you would set a top-level inherited ACL on the directory
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[02:01:32] <jamesd> steego, http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461/ftyxi?a=view
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[02:03:27] <e^ipi> something like everyone@:rw-p--a-R-c---:fd-----:allow
[02:03:46] <sfuentes> i think we need more compilers
[02:03:56] <alanc> ask Intel to port theirs
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[02:04:18] <jamesd> sfuentes, is it a case of the one with the most compilers win?
[02:04:24] <sfuentes> i'm talking in general
[02:04:26] <steego> but what should i set the acl mode/inherit to? passthrough?
[02:04:37] <sfuentes> there are more OSes than compilers
[02:04:51] <sfuentes> and i think there are more ppl interested in OSses than compilers
[02:04:59] <steego> and then in the dir has +rw for everyone, all files created should have the same acl by default?
[02:05:22] <e^ipi> they will all inherit that acl
[02:05:35] <sfuentes> compilers are overly underrated
[02:06:14] <steego> e^ipi, sounds like the way i was trying to do it
[02:06:29] <e^ipi> sfuentes: there are plenty more compilers than OS's. just not C compilers
[02:07:23] <e^ipi> sfuentes: that being said, you should use twitter for random thoughts, rather than #OS
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[02:07:50] <e^ipi> oh yeah...
[02:08:42] <steego> am i right in thinking an ACE is an ACL on a dir?
[02:10:07] <e^ipi> steego: naw, an ACE is an ACL entry
[02:10:14] <e^ipi> ACL meaning the whole set of them
[02:10:14] <steego> aha
[02:10:25] <steego> no wonder i'm confused ^^
[02:11:09] <e^ipi> sfuentes: why, there already enough of them & newer languages are far more interesting than compilers for the same old languages
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[02:11:42] <e^ipi> it'd be nice if intel made theirs free on linux but w/e
[02:11:46] <kleppari> I fixed my keyboard input problem..  cp ~ oldhome && rm -rf ~/.*
[02:11:47] <kleppari> weird
[02:12:03] <e^ipi> kleppari: nuclear bug fixes?
[02:12:13] <e^ipi> ( nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure )
[02:12:19] <sfuentes> theres like 3 c compilers
[02:12:21] <kleppari> yeah, something like that
[02:12:32] <kleppari> it was driving me crazy, type 10-15 chars and all of gnome hung
[02:13:18] <alanc> maybe just 3 C compilers for Linux, plenty more on other platforms
[02:13:27] <e^ipi> heh, Sigourney Weaver
[02:14:42] <e^ipi> sfuentes: there are dozens upon dozens of them
[02:15:47] <e^ipi> some of the better ones: xlc, icc, msvc, spro, mipspro
[02:17:12] <e^ipi> there's even dozens of open source ones too, some better than others
[02:17:48] <kleppari> this is weird, the UI performance jumped lightyears ahead by removing ~/.*
[02:18:13] <e^ipi> i blame gnome
[02:18:17] <kleppari> I do too
[02:18:27] <kleppari> the reason why I had to do this is because all gnome programs behaved this way
[02:18:32] <kleppari> even with stumpwm :P
[02:18:44] <e^ipi> and fluxbox
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[02:21:40] <jamesd> i really do need to install kde on my sparc box... kde just rocks and since all my 32 bit sparc boxes have been pretty much retired and all my current boxes have 2GB or more of ram and 750+mhz cpu why not have a little eyecandy and a nice user experience.
[02:21:57] <dep> Hmm... I wonder if it could have been the accessibility software "helping" you
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[02:27:25] <e^ipi> gcc uses modern compiler techniques ?
[02:27:35] <kleppari> gcc is crap
[02:27:38] <e^ipi> why's it generate such bad code then?
[02:27:39] <sfuentes> no i meant gcc is one example of an old compiler
[02:27:47] <sfuentes> developed in old times :)
[02:27:47] <e^ipi> so go fix gcc
[02:28:03] <sfuentes> cvs can't get fixed :)
[02:28:03] <e^ipi> totally irrelevant to solaris, we have a compiler, a good one.
[02:28:14] <sfuentes> neither can gcc
[02:28:21] <sfuentes> but yes off topic
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[03:28:03] <jklyekai> I  set IPS in the distro-const.slim_cd.xml to another IPS to my local https and pkg authority -p -o to my localhost..when download SUNWcs files .it shows " pkg maxmum network retries failed" .how to do? I set pkg_timeout_max=30000(default 4).
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[04:04:44] <preston> I am new to solaris and i have a couple questions concerning repo's, and ext3?
[04:05:36] <benley> ext3: nope
[04:06:27] <preston> I have a ext3 drive with a bunch of stuff on it, so no acsess then?
[04:06:38] <Triskelios> preston: FSWfsmisc gets you read-only ext3
[04:06:56] <benley> yeah, you can at least have read-only ext2/ext3
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[04:07:09] <preston> would i be able to copy or move it?
[04:07:26] <benley> you'll be able to copy it to a zfs volume
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[04:07:52] <preston> as long as i can acsess it ill be fine
[04:09:24] <preston> are there contribution repo's, in the live cd i only saw roughly 1500 packages?
[04:11:10] <preston> btw im trying 2008.11 and it looks really nice
[04:11:38] <preston> will the release canidate update to final or will reinstallation be needed
[04:14:00] <Triskelios> you can update from any version. a /contrib repository is planned but hasn't been set up yet...
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[04:16:45] <preston> triskelios: are there any non official or community repo's or what we see what we've got?
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[04:37:02] <yksinaisyyteni> is it possible to set a 'default' limit in mutt, e.g. ~N?  if i use 'l', it clears the limit when i change folder
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[04:54:35] <capotej> anyone here on 2008.11?
[04:54:50] <c00p> I am on the rc1b or what ever it is
[04:55:52] <capotej> yea im about to install that one; from there I'd be able to update to 2008.11 once it's finally out, right?
[04:56:19] <Gman> yes
[04:56:29] <c00p> yup
[04:56:37] <c00p> only reason I am running it :)
[04:56:47] <capotej> hehe, alright I'll be right back then ;)
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[04:56:58] <c00p> haven't really found any probs in my quests yet either - lucky
[04:57:00] <c00p> expected some
[04:59:18] <c00p> except getting ssh key's working ... :(
[04:59:44] <c00p> is there anything else stopping root logins than the sshd conf ?
[05:00:43] <c00p> /etc/user_attr
[05:01:07] <yksinaisyyteni> root is a role in indiana, roles can't log in
[05:01:58] <c00p> I jsut found that in doco ... here I am thinking that I am a dick with ssh
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[05:11:29] <c00p> now to zfs send 1.5t - let see hwo long this takes
[05:12:36] <jamesd> usually limited by disk IO rate and/or network IO rate
[05:12:53] <c00p> jamesd: as one would expect
[05:13:07] <c00p> 2 x4500 - One busy - one not busy :)
[05:13:25] <jamesd> are the network interfaces aggregated?
[05:13:48] <c00p> not yet - tried that and had problems with .1q trunks and performance for now
[05:14:13] <c00p> will try and do that once got all important work done on these bad boys :(
[05:14:23] <c00p> have talked to sun about it
[05:14:32] <c00p> they have made sugestions
[05:14:33] <jamesd> probably want to dedicate at least one port on each.. so at least you can get 125MB/s
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[05:19:44] <yksinaisyyteni> unfortunately, there are a few things that prevent zfs send/recv being i/o limited
[05:19:55] <yksinaisyyteni> there was a thread on zfs-discuss about it recenly... 'mbuffer' is a common solution
[05:20:17] <c00p> o really ...
[05:21:03] <jamesd> i would think that on a x4500, could do 125MB/s in its sleep making it network limited.
[05:21:36] <yksinaisyyteni> no
[05:21:41] <yksinaisyyteni> well, it can, but it doesn't
[05:21:59] <c00p> any have I intrepreted this correctly - if I do a zfs send - I can then do a -i next time to update it ?
[05:22:02] <yksinaisyyteni> it's to do with how recv reads data from the network, it doesn't buffer enough.. causes spikes of fast sending intermixed with stalls
[05:22:03] <c00p> *and
[05:22:18] <yksinaisyyteni> c00p: take a snapshot, send that, then take another one and -i will let you send the differences
[05:22:31] <c00p> excellent - as I thought :)
[05:22:39] <yksinaisyyteni> but for different reasons, send -i is also slow.. and mbuffer doesn't help there
[05:22:57] <c00p> but if there is buggar all changes it's quicker :)
[05:23:01] <yksinaisyyteni> (i observed around 6MB/sec peak between two X4500s, and other people on zfs-discuss had similar numbers)
[05:23:43] <c00p> yksinaisyyteni: I will let you know how I go ... I have cacti on graphing the switch ports so should be able to give average network speed ...
[05:25:55] <SunTzuTech> only takes 4-5 hours to builld all the dependencies for QT on a relatively fast box using the kde-solaris stuff
[05:26:49] <yksinaisyyteni> c00p: it looks like the two bugs mentioned (6333409 and 6418042) are fixed in nv102
[05:26:56] <yksinaisyyteni> which should improve incremental send performance
[05:27:24] <yksinaisyyteni> i don't think it'll solve the problem though...
[05:29:06] <c00p> yksinaisyyteni: My problem is at the moment I am sending from a Solaris 10u5 machine to a nv101a :(
[05:31:21] <yksinaisyyteni> yeah, i use U6 on both sides, so it doesn't help me either, although i hope they'll get backported to S10 at some point
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[05:31:51] <c00p> yksinaisyyteni: It will - need to u6 my thumper - u do a live upgrade to u6 ?
[05:32:48] <yksinaisyyteni> yes
[05:32:51] <c00p> dam indiana is nice with zfs everwhere (as u6 would be) to set up mirroring of rpool etc. No more metastat etc :)
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[05:38:41] <jamesd> okay why isn't zfs send | ssh zfs recv  using more than 64byte packets...  between gigabit and   turnked gigabit (2x gigabit)  links...
[05:39:17] <c00p> yeh - with this performance I might have to use rsync :(
[05:39:33] <yksinaisyyteni> jamesd: are you using mbuffer?  for non-incremental sends it's reported to make a large difference
[05:40:23] <c00p> got a link to play with this mbuffer ?
[05:40:27] <jamesd> i haven't tuned anything... just working between a  dual core athlon and 6GB ram and 4x 512GB sata drives to a  blade 1000, one 36GB fcal drive...  send is on the athlon side
[05:40:45] <yksinaisyyteni> c00p: http://www.maier-komor.de/mbuffer.html
[05:40:52] <yksinaisyyteni> i have a pkgbuild spec for it also
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[05:42:09] <c00p> yksinaisyyteni: ta
[05:42:13] <jamesd> no i was just using rmon stats from my managed gigabit switch.
[05:42:56] <jamesd> c00p, if you have space, you could probably just  send to a file, and then ftp/rsync the file.
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[05:48:31] <yksinaisyyteni> c00p: btw, send usually starts off slow (metadata) then gets faster later
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[05:57:46] <c00p> I am just letting it go ...
[05:57:57] <c00p> wish I ran it with time
[05:58:19] <c00p> 43 gig done ... of 1.5t
[05:58:20] <c00p> lol
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[06:11:13] <skullone> nv102 had the incremental send fixed? nice
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[06:11:27] <yksinaisyyteni> according to the bug report, yes
[06:11:36] <skullone> been tracking those bugs on the mailing lists, but didnt see a fix was included
[06:11:40] <skullone> ill have to test it out
[06:11:55] <skullone> on a test box, i was getting like 1.5MB/sec  =/
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[06:12:41] <skullone> my x4540's were delayed due to a billing issue  :(
[06:12:45] <skullone> so... test boxes are all i have
[06:14:26] <c00p> anyone here use xVM Ops Center ?
[06:15:20] <jamesd> i use xvm, but haven't used ops center yet
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[06:19:53] <elektronkind> I'm getting ready to demo it
[06:20:01] <elektronkind> sometime in the next month
[06:20:10] <elektronkind> projects... project
[06:20:23] <elektronkind> I'm more interested in it for its reporting aspects
[06:20:34] <c00p> elektronkind: Yeh I am trying - had a demo from sun ... now I want to trial it - awaiting on sales droid to contact me
[06:20:38] <c00p> have been waiting for weeks
[06:20:43] <c00p> very poor work from sun
[06:20:51] <elektronkind> sun sales is terrible
[06:21:06] <c00p> it's like they don't want to make money
[06:21:59] <elektronkind> I'm only lucky because I have a dedicated sales and account managers. the previous places I worked I had to hound whomever
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[06:23:32] <skullone> sun sales and marketing are terrible
[06:23:36] <elektronkind> right now I'm just looking for OS data gathering solutions, xvm ops center is one of the things I'm looking at
[06:23:38] <skullone> sad fact
[06:24:19] <elektronkind> need a better way to get a picture of patches, packages, and so on for several hundred linux and solaris boxen
[06:24:41] <elektronkind> web-driven with reports preferably. anyone here already using something for that?
[06:26:01] <c00p> elektronkind: exactly what I want - more for solaris patching
[06:26:04] <c00p> and auditing
[06:26:10] <elektronkind> auditing... exactly
[06:26:20] <c00p> looks pretty good :)
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[06:26:55] <detrunco> its not free (if you dont already purchase support), but canonical has the Landscape thing
[06:27:12] <jamesd> xen
[06:27:19] <detrunco> http://www.canonical.com/projects/landscape
[06:27:32] <jamesd> xen+xp + chrome is pretty sweet ...
[06:27:42] <elektronkind> isn't landscape linux (and ubuntu at that) specific?
[06:27:50] <detrunco> yeah
[06:28:12] <detrunco> not exactly what your looking for I know
[06:28:12] <elektronkind> ah... yeah, I'd prefer one thing that groks both rhel and solaris
[06:28:18] <detrunco> just the only thing I could think of
[06:28:30] <c00p> ta for letting us know
[06:29:14] <elektronkind> there's Puppet, a cfengine-like thing that outputs what it finds in YAML, but I'd really really (*really*) rather not have to roll my own
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[06:32:56] <detrunco> how do you all find the software you need for OpenSolaris/Solaris?
[06:33:19] <detrunco> do you compile from source, do without, or is there some repository that i
[06:33:23] 
[06:33:41] <elektronkind> opensolaris now has a lot of the packages I would otherwise typically find myself compiling on regualr solaris (which is what I tend to do on regular solaris)
[06:34:07] <jamesd> or you can checkout blastwave.org lots of packages.
[06:34:26] <detrunco> yeah, Im using blastwave right now, and I have found a few of the things I need
[06:34:49] <detrunco> I am trying to use OS as a desktop OS, and I find myself trying to find codecs and the like
[06:36:18] <elektronkind> codecs are always a hit-and-miss thing on any unix-like OS it seems... either due to licensing, politics, portability
[06:36:43] <detrunco> yeah
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[06:36:57] <elektronkind> I gave up on all that long ago and just use a mac for the desktop, solaris on the servers ;)
[06:37:03] <detrunco> hehe
[06:37:12] * dclarke state: DEGRADED
[06:37:14] <detrunco> yeah, I got a MBP a few months ago
[06:37:30] <elektronkind> zpool clear dclarke
[06:37:36] <detrunco> my wife however decided she REALLY liked it, so Im back with my pc laptop
[06:37:39] <dclarke> anyone done a fresh install of s10u6 and seen the ZFS root pool degraded at first boot?
[06:37:49] <jamesd> xvm to run windows XP inside a solaris box is pretty sweet... i can't beleve how well it does google earth...
[06:38:31] <dclarke> # zpool clear s10s
[06:38:39] <dclarke>  state: DEGRADED
[06:38:48] <yksinaisyyteni> i don't think i'd use xen for windows, i like having windows applications on the unix desktop (and seamlessrdp is no solution at least for xp)
[06:38:51] <FrostCS> vlc usually works fairly good to deal with codecians.
[06:39:03] <elektronkind> dclarke: any idea what has caused the pool to go into that state?
[06:39:16] <elektronkind> lost vdev or something?
[06:39:30] <dclarke> honestly?  I installed s10u6
[06:39:35] <dclarke> that is all
[06:39:49] <dclarke> I'm quite serious ..
[06:39:56] <dclarke> this is first initial boot
[06:40:08] <elektronkind> zpool status -v rpool
[06:40:15] <elektronkind> says nothing informative?
[06:41:09] <dclarke>  state: DEGRADED
[06:41:11] <dclarke> status: One or more devices could not be opened.  Sufficient replicas exist for
[06:41:12] <dclarke>         the pool to continue functioning in a degraded state.
[06:41:15] <dclarke> action: Attach the missing device and online it using 'zpool online'.
[06:41:31] <dclarke> however .. if I run format -e  I see all disks
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[06:42:10] <dclarke>         NAME          STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
[06:42:12] <dclarke>         s10s          DEGRADED     0     0     0
[06:42:19] <dclarke>           mirror      DEGRADED     0     0     0
[06:42:20] <dclarke>             c0t0d0s0  ONLINE       0     0     0
[06:42:22] <dclarke>             c0t1d0s0  ONLINE       0     0     0
[06:42:24] <richo> urh
[06:42:24] <dclarke>             c1t3d0s0  UNAVAIL      0     0     0  cannot open
[06:42:26] <dclarke>             c2t2d0s0  UNAVAIL      0     0     0  cannot open
[06:42:31] <richo> don't do that...
[06:42:32] <dclarke> that just isn't true
[06:42:40] <dclarke> richo: I just did
[06:42:45] <yksinaisyyteni> why did you create a four-disk mirror?
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[06:42:53] <dclarke> why not ?
[06:43:00] <dclarke> it was a test
[06:43:13] <richo> i mean don't paste into channel
[06:43:14] <dclarke> and from what I have seen at first boot the zpool fails
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[06:43:23] <dclarke> richo: I know what you meant
[06:43:43] <elektronkind> try detaching those supposedly dead vdevs from the pool, clearing the errors, and then reattaching them
[06:43:44] <dclarke> richo: what are you new?  There is nothing wrong with 3 lines at a time .. maybe five lines tops
[06:43:54] <dclarke> elektronkind: one sec
[06:43:58] <yksinaisyyteni> you just pasted 12 lines...
[06:44:05] <elektronkind> oh stop it boys
[06:44:11] <dclarke> elektronkind: seems hellish odd though .. from a install to first boot to see this
[06:44:16] <elektronkind> it's not like he can take the paste back
[06:44:54] <dclarke> fyi: this is Solaris 10, Reduced Networking Core System
[06:44:54] <FrostCS> maybe if he tries real hard?
[06:45:03] * dclarke tries real real hard
[06:45:06] <jamesd> richo, you can complain when you have submitted .0001% of the code that dclarke has to the solaris community.
[06:45:08] * dclarke fails miserably
[06:45:15] <FrostCS> hehe
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[06:45:39] <dclarke> jamesd: still he has a point ... I was being testy
[06:45:55] <FrostCS> I'll recommend a book "Complaint Letters for Busy People"
[06:45:58] * dclarke is 300 Km tired and still not sure why this happened
[06:46:07] <dclarke> FrostCS: yeah .. perfect
[06:46:18] <dclarke> elektronkind: here .. check this out : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/s10u6/s10u6.txt
[06:46:34] <dclarke> the meat of the experiment is there
[06:46:41] <jamesd> dclarke, i would also check to see the driver for the scsi controller used for c1 and c2 got loaded correctly
[06:46:43] <dclarke> and this is repeatable .. install runs fine
[06:46:53] <dclarke> jamesd: yeah .. first thing I did
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[06:47:06] <richo> jamesd: not trying to be rude
[06:47:11] <dclarke> jamesd: at the bottom of that link .. I did a modinfo
[06:47:40] <dclarke> and sure enough .. format -e works and the SCSI drivers ( real basic stuff ) are there
[06:47:40] <jamesd> it could be an issue with  32bit/vs 64 bit. ... the install disk usually is only 32 bit mode drivers.  and first boot is 64bit
[06:47:52] <dclarke> jamesd: good observation
[06:48:19] <jamesd> oh this is sparc, its always 64 bit.
[06:48:19] <dclarke> # isainfo -v
[06:48:21] <dclarke> 64-bit sparcv9 applications
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[06:48:28] <dclarke> # isalist
[06:48:30] <dclarke> sparcv9+vis sparcv9 sparcv8plus+vis sparcv8plus sparcv8 sparcv8-fsmuld sparcv7 sparc
[06:48:33] <richo> while I'm here, I've got a nasty stack dump trying to run opensolaris with PV in xen on a debian lenny host. I can't make head nor tails of it
[06:48:35] <dclarke> well hell ..
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[06:48:55] <dclarke> richo: holy hell .. that sounds convoluted
[06:49:17] <dclarke> elektronkind: tell ya what .. this is first boot .. I'm going to reboot
[06:49:22] <jamesd> richo, did you give it enough  ram... opensolaris is a pig  needs at least 512mb if not more
[06:49:27] <dclarke> what can I lose really
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[06:49:40] <richo> jamesd: oh thanks, i gave it 512, i'll try more.
[06:50:05] * dclarke looks at "Changing to init state 6 - please wait"
[06:50:36] <richo> it dies JUST after loading the kernel.. i've altered xen to give each OS a core to itself, it's dying with a pagefault
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[06:51:07] <dclarke> page fault ... time to turn on kernel debugging and reboot
[06:51:17] <dclarke> better get to single user mode and edit /etc/system
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[06:52:14] <dclarke> richo: can you intercept grub and then boot with kmdb ?
[06:52:29] <richo> DLange: i found a thread a while back for an earlier version of OS. it had a workaround to enable in kdb (whatever the OS debugger is). it doesn't exist. I can boot the kernel with -kb
[06:52:34] <richo> oops
[06:52:37] <richo> dclarke: ^^
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[06:54:44] <dclarke> this isspooky as hell : http://rafb.net/p/vZ1kQf76.html  <-- note I didn't paste here :-)
[06:54:50] <richo> i'm at the kmdb prompt now
[06:54:59] <dclarke> perfect
[06:55:23] <dclarke> so lets continue the boot process
[06:55:37] <dclarke> I thing a single c will do it
[06:55:42] <dclarke> or is it go
[06:55:44] <richo> :c  ?
[06:55:45] <dclarke> its been a while
[06:55:48] <dclarke> yeah
[06:56:03] <richo> should i pastebin the ugly kernel death?
[06:56:05] <dclarke> it should page fault again and get us back to the debugger
[06:56:11] <richo> it has
[06:56:13] <dclarke> what does $c say ?
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[06:56:20] <dclarke> yes .. let's see that
[06:56:28] <dclarke> and please use www.rafb.net
[06:56:32] <dclarke> it has less noise
[06:56:40] * dclarke guesses a slab issue here
[06:56:53] <dclarke> under xen eh ?
[06:57:15] <richo> yes
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[06:57:21] <richo> using PV, i don't have VT enabled hardware
[06:57:27] <dclarke> yeah .. I want to see this
[06:57:59] <dclarke> me neither .. I am using Sparc server , multiple SCSI controllers and a console
[06:58:11] <richo> dclarke: http://www.psych0tik.net/solaris.crash.txt
[06:58:14] <richo> no noise at all ;)
[06:58:26] <richo> thanks for the help btw
[06:58:38] <dclarke> I have not done anything yet
[06:58:53] <dclarke> snv_86 ??
[06:59:05] <dclarke> geez .. that is a bit out of date isn't it ?
[06:59:15] <richo> snv? it's a pae enabled x86 dual core
[06:59:30] <richo> it's a HP proliant server that we have at work, but yeah it's a bit dated
[06:59:51] * dclarke thinks "not at all what I meant"
[07:00:06] <richo> sorry, what did you mean?
[07:00:18] <detrunco> snv_86 is the release of your OS
[07:00:20] <richo> snv_86 == i've managed to download an old version of opensolaris?
[07:00:22] <dclarke> wow .. nice one .. hat layer
[07:00:24] <dclarke> unix:hat_devload+10b (d3860f68, d43d0000,)
[07:00:31] <dclarke> hardware address translation
[07:00:38] <dclarke> or vmhat really
[07:00:55] <dclarke> snv_86 is the solaris nevada build number and its a tad older
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[07:01:23] <richo> ok, so first things first I should obtain a newer release
[07:01:33] <dclarke> would help
[07:01:42] <dclarke> this mayh vae been nailed down alrady
[07:01:45] <richo> i'll do that and report back
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[07:01:51] <dclarke> sorry for the spelling
[07:01:55] <dclarke> here .. one sec .
[07:02:56] <dclarke> https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=Sol-Express_b101-FULL-x86-SP-G-B@CDS-CDS_SMI
[07:02:59] <dclarke> go there
[07:03:29] <richo> thanks :)
[07:03:44] <dclarke> I'll download the Sparc build to my server stack and then netboot it just to compare
[07:03:44] <jamesd> i would guess its an issue of the driver for the secondary scsi controller is not being loaded on boot, and the drives are being marked online and ZFS is not bringing them online after fully botted.
[07:03:47] <jamesd> er booted.
[07:03:54] <detrunco> is sxce preferred over 052008?
[07:04:07] <jamesd> yes unless you are into pain.
[07:04:07] <dclarke> jamesd: good theory
[07:04:21] <dclarke> jamesd: I was thinking along the same lines as a timing issue
[07:04:24] <dclarke> in fact
[07:04:43] <dclarke> the gdm module looks to be loaded late in the stage and maybe I can force load it early via /etc/system
[07:05:03] <dclarke> but I should NOT have to do that with production s10u6
[07:05:26] <dclarke> richo: are you using wget to fetch that iso image ?
[07:05:40] <FrostCS> are they going to repost the respin 101a? or going to respin 102?
[07:06:05] <dclarke> FrostCS: all I see thus far is sol-nv-b101-sparc-dvd.iso
[07:06:16] * dclarke is on Sparc
[07:06:37] <richo> i used wget to get the last one
[07:06:42] <FrostCS> yea, I just knew 101 was respun to 101a, then they posted 102, pulled 102 and left the non-respun 101
[07:06:58] <richo> is OS200805 what i'm wanting.. ?
[07:07:10] <dclarke> richo: the SDLC can be a right royal pain with wget unless you use a helper script
[07:07:30] <dclarke> richo: tough to answer that for you .. I suggest for now you try SXCE 101
[07:07:41] * dclarke points at "suggest"
[07:08:07] <richo> dclarke: ok, i'm trying to remember my login details. I'm more than willing to follow the advice of someone who knows better ;)
[07:08:16] <detrunco> I actually have been experiencing some pain with 200805
[07:08:29] <detrunco> it works ok, but updating from it has not been working for me
[07:08:33] <dclarke> richo: who?  can't be me
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[07:09:02] <dclarke> jamesd: funny thing .. I can zpool online s10s c1t3d0s0 and bingo .. all is good
[07:09:12] <detrunco> and I cant boot the 200811 at all
[07:09:16] <dclarke> jamesd: scrub: resilver completed after 0h0m with 0 errors on Wed Nov 19 05:59:40 2008
[07:09:36] <dclarke> ain't that very similar to your thinking  that the driver never got loaded early in the boot process ?
[07:09:43] <Triskelios> FrostCS: the schedule for 103 is close enough that 102 won't be respun
[07:09:55] <Triskelios> detrunco: did you read http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/image-update/ ?
[07:10:03] <jamesd> dclarke, yeah  i think once solaris boots, it doesn't look at the offline drives... but since the driver isn't loaded when zpool is checks its marked degraded
[07:10:09] <dclarke> jamesd: for my next trick I'll detach the controller zero disks and then try a boot .. I'll bet it fails miserbly
[07:10:14] <detrunco> Triskelios: I followed those instructions, yes
[07:10:30] <detrunco> I actually cant even boot off the 200811 rc1b livecd
[07:10:46] <detrunco> I get a kernel panic midway through the boot
[07:10:59] <jamesd> dclarke, is that a ultrasparc pci dual controller, i know that controller is not bootable on my blade1500... according to the docs.
[07:11:06] <dclarke> jamesd: makes sense .. and is a bad thing
[07:11:11] <jamesd> er ultrascsi
[07:11:17] <dclarke> jamesd: yes Sir
[07:11:26] <dclarke> jamesd: dual port U320 scsi
[07:12:00] <dclarke> jamesd: that explains that ... looks like there module just isn't loaded early in the boot process
[07:12:04] <jamesd> not sure about that one.. i only have the dual ultrascsi (40MB/s) controller
[07:12:17] <dclarke> oh .. this is the newer unit
[07:12:32] * dclarke checks
[07:12:39] <richo> ah.. yay for 2 hour downloads :/
[07:12:53] <dclarke> richo: oh .. that sucks
[07:12:58] <FrostCS> Triskelios, thanks :-) I haven't been keeping up with schedules lately. ;-)
[07:13:17] <dclarke> richo: best I ever saw was 2.5 MB/sec from sdlc and that was a good good day .. today I get 600KB
[07:13:25] <jamesd> richo, two hour downloads are nothing.. i remember when linux full install took me almost a month...   slackware 96.
[07:13:26] <richo> hmm.. i may try to wget it as well, i don't really want to leave my laptop on for much longer
[07:13:43] <richo> jamesd: that's why i always bought linux install media when i was on dialup
[07:13:48] <dclarke> jamesd: ever installed OS/2 from floppies?
[07:13:56] <FrostCS> I did...
[07:14:00] <FrostCS> nightmare
[07:14:02] <dclarke> jamesd: or ( gasp ) SCO UNIX?
[07:14:07] <FrostCS> like 50 fcking floppies..
[07:14:12] <jamesd> dclarke, nope, but i did do borland C++  (30 floppies)
[07:14:17] <dclarke> FrostCS: nasty wasn't it !
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[07:14:29] <dclarke> yeah for floppie freaks
[07:14:53] <dclarke> hey guys .. those of us old enough to know what a floppy is are being faced with a funny new problem called icon ageing
[07:14:55] <FrostCS> yea, os2 didn't last long either :-P
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[07:15:23] <jamesd> i wasn't a floppy freak, just couldn't afford  cdrom drive back then,, $300 for a drive ouch.
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[07:15:33] <dclarke> on many pieces of software the icon for "Save As" or "Save File As" in thge drop down is a floppy but the new generation has never seen a floppy
[07:16:08] <richo> hmmmm wget is naming it something stupid, but it looks as though it's the right size.. they wouldn't mangle my download on me would they?
[07:16:14] <dclarke> seriosly .. I ran into that at a customer site .. some kit .. wondered what that square thing was really
[07:16:21] <FrostCS> lol
[07:16:28] <dclarke> richo: oops
[07:16:37] <Triskelios> richo: wget doesn't handle filenames the same way a web browser does, just rename it later
[07:16:44] <FrostCS> and the real old floppy floppies..
[07:16:49] <dclarke> richo: dude .. you need to tell wget to --output-document=foo or you get a nasty long filename
[07:16:58] <dclarke> FrostCS: 8 inch floppies ?
[07:17:10] <Triskelios> wget -O <file> is a bit easier to type...
[07:17:10] <FrostCS> yea, 5's and 8's I think
[07:17:12] <dclarke> FrostCS: the large style ones for the CPM machines ?
[07:17:17] <FrostCS> the little plastic things
[07:17:34] <jamesd> my stepfather had dual high density 8" floppy drives attached to a apple ][+
[07:17:35] * dclarke recalls the TRS-80 floppy and the KayPro luggable
[07:17:38] <richo> the long filename doesn't phase me. just double checking that wasn't what you meant when you mentioned issues with wget
[07:17:59] <dclarke> richo: if you are getting bits .. be happy .. most people don't
[07:18:14] <jamesd> richo, you can use  -o  newname to fix the file name issues
[07:18:16] <FrostCS> I had an old texas instruments with cartridges also..
[07:18:21] <FrostCS> still have it somewhere also
[07:18:32] <dclarke> TI-99A ?
[07:18:38] <dclarke> that was a sweet machine
[07:18:46] <dclarke> Zilog Z80 based I think
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[07:18:49] <FrostCS> that might have been it... hooked up to a printer with a huge cable?
[07:19:12] <dclarke> FrostCS: that doesn't narrow down the computers from that era :-)
[07:19:15] <FrostCS> it's been in storage for.. wow.. probably been boxed up for 15 years now since I last saw it
[07:19:16] <jamesd> damm...  280R with dual cpu and 4GB of ram for less than $300 shipped...  damm that is temping
[07:19:19] <FrostCS> lol sorry ;-)
[07:19:31] <dclarke> jamesd: what processors ?
[07:19:40] <jamesd> 900mhz
[07:19:47] <dclarke> jamesd: 280R's are noisey as hell and make a lot of heat
[07:19:55] <dclarke> jamesd: thats a no no
[07:20:03] <dclarke> jamesd: a SB2500 can do that for you
[07:20:15] <dclarke> but you cna cannabalize that machine
[07:20:17] <jamesd> well i have a blade 1000 already.
[07:20:18] <FrostCS> I'll sell you a quiet 18mhz ibm ps/2 for.. the cost of shipping..
[07:20:25] <FrostCS> which would be about $2000
[07:20:28] <FrostCS> heh
[07:20:31] <dclarke> # shutdown -g0 -y -i5
[07:20:41] <dclarke> I'm stopping my four way mirror experiment
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[07:20:57] <dclarke> IBM PS/2
[07:21:07] <dclarke> geez .. I had a 286 based PS/1
[07:21:13] <dclarke> and a PS/VP
[07:21:20] <dclarke> the PS/VP was a good machine
[07:21:23] <jamesd> i want to get a nice rack mount server for my 20RU rack...
[07:21:25] <dclarke> 486 based
[07:21:30] <richo> i love my 286
[07:21:33] <FrostCS> yea, we should see if they run solaris...
[07:21:38] <FrostCS> ;-P
[07:21:48] <dclarke> FrostCS: funny you should say that
[07:21:50] <jamesd> my cisco's are getting lonely ...  http://unixconsult.org/ciscos_and_friend.jpg
[07:22:06] <dclarke> I have a Pentium II machine and it faults badly when I try to boot S10u6 with it
[07:22:19] <FrostCS> did you try a 4 way mirror on it?
[07:22:22] * dclarke looks at LOM event: power off
[07:22:30] <dclarke> FrostCS: hell no
[07:22:34] <FrostCS> ;-)
[07:22:37] <dclarke> this thing has .. lemme see
[07:22:54] <FrostCS> oh, how did you make out with those via processors and solaris?
[07:23:00] <dclarke> SunOS titan 5.8 Generic_117351-57 i86pc i386 i86pc
[07:23:00] <FrostCS> I meant to ask you about that
[07:23:16] <dclarke> FrostCS: sorted out all issues and the memory mapping problems are done
[07:23:27] <dclarke> FrostCS: I was able to do a fully kernel build on it
[07:23:41] <FrostCS> is via proc's supported now?
[07:23:44] <dclarke> FrostCS: and even do a few tweaks
[07:23:48] <dclarke> yes!
[07:23:48] <FrostCS> last I heard it wasn't really of interest..
[07:23:57] <dclarke> and I am happy to say I had a small part in that
[07:24:08] <dclarke> the Via C7 proc works fine
[07:24:20] <FrostCS> I should test one out.. will be building one of those "carputers" soon and was either the via or the atom
[07:24:23] <dclarke> in fact .. I can point out the bugids filed and the problems solved
[07:24:47] <dclarke> well the VIA C7 ( Esther ) works like a charm
[07:24:53] <dclarke> in fact .. I blogged it
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[07:25:06] <FrostCS> I'll catch up with you when I am getting ready to buy a motherboard for it, will be in january probably
[07:25:28] <FrostCS> c7, that in the mini-itx form or the microatx?
[07:26:10] <dclarke> mini and micro and .. ta da !! pico!
[07:26:24] <palowoda> dclarke: The dual core Atom's might perform better.  They are known to work with the latest SXCE.
[07:26:30] <dclarke> credit card sized computer .. I'll have openSolaris on that
[07:26:31] <jamesd> okay... 12:30 bedtime...
[07:26:48] <palowoda> Better on power consumption.
[07:26:49] <dclarke> jamesd: nighty .. good to hear from you and see your rack there
[07:27:02] <FrostCS> dclarke are those the fastest via's now? or is the nano?
[07:27:08] <FrostCS> I am not too up on the via line.
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[07:27:36] <dclarke> FrostCS: here http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/?q=node/110
[07:27:48] <dclarke> FrostCS: there is a $100 there for you if you want it
[07:27:48] <FrostCS> 12:30? hrm someone moved to central time?
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[07:28:05] <dclarke> FrostCS: speed depends on cooling options really
[07:28:25] <dclarke> FrostCS: if you want to go fanless ( not recommended ) then you lose speed
[07:28:48] <dclarke> FrostCS: if you go for latest generation .. I think 2.2 GHz exists now
[07:30:26] <FrostCS> hehe samba, I doubt I'd have the time personally since I don't use smb much, but will keep an open mind :-P
[07:30:41] <FrostCS> not too concerned about the fan
[07:31:00] <FrostCS> it's going to be burried in the dash anyhow
[07:31:15] <FrostCS> still plenty of room for it to breath though
[07:31:46] <FrostCS> palowoda, from what I have seen the new atom's aren't really that snappy
[07:32:00] <dclarke> I pushed the hell out of that architecture and wrung out all its issues I think
[07:32:35] <richo> dclarke: any reason why i need the DVD and not the CD of sece ?
[07:32:41] <dclarke> last thing to do is to get a analog to digital pci convertor working and no moving parts for an automotive telemetry project
[07:32:55] <dclarke> richo: easy to boot a single image
[07:33:18] <dclarke> FrostCS: I'll be testing this stuff next month most likely : http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/pico-itx/
[07:33:25] <FrostCS> dclarke is that 64bit? or just the nano?
[07:33:28] <richo> dclarke: oh i see, on closer inspection it's not just an install CD and some redundant package disks hehe
[07:33:31] <palowoda> But you have to admit dual core has some advantages with Solaris in general.
[07:34:24] <dclarke> FrostCS: not even remotely 64-bit .. 32-bit and in fact he isalist only has i486 in it
[07:34:56] <FrostCS> hrm
[07:35:05] <FrostCS> so probably not as zfs friendly
[07:35:09] <dclarke> oh hell .. late here
[07:35:23] <FrostCS> getting there here too, about bedtime
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[07:35:36] <dclarke> zfs .. no .. not really a good idea to push that too hard wit hthat box .. but I certainly have
[07:35:50] <dclarke> hey well .. it was fun .. I have to crash
[07:36:01] <richo> thanks dclarke
[07:36:15] <palowoda> Seesh late there, I just spent 24hrs on a plane back from Sweden.  My time is all scewed up.
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[07:36:22] <dclarke> richo: boot that sxce image and you will most likely do far beter
[07:36:45] <richo> I'll give that a shot, and probably lurk here for a while
[07:36:49] <dclarke> palowoda: jet lag .. almost as bad as gamer lag
[07:37:23] <dclarke> richo: lurking is good .. I try that but I often get spoted hiding in dark corners and get dragged out and messed with :-)
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[07:41:32] <soontak> hello, i'm new to opensolaris, i would like to know how can i boot the system without starting the gnome ?
[07:41:53] <Triskelios> soontak: svcadm disable gdm
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[07:43:21] <soontak> Triskelios: thank you
[07:43:40] <richo> Triskelios: thanks for answering in advance one of my first questions :)
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[07:44:26] <detrunco> if you make a change with svcadm, does the change persist after reboot?
[07:44:52] <elektronkind> yes
[07:44:57] <detrunco> nice
[07:45:07] <elektronkind> unless you use the -t option (temporary)
[07:45:16] <Michael> I'm waiting until the OpenSolaris 2008.5 comes out.. WOW!~ I love this OS.
[07:45:18] <detrunco> I really enjoy the way solaris simplifies management
[07:45:18] <Michael> :)
[07:45:24] <yksinaisyyteni> Michael: i guess you mean 2008.11
[07:45:31] <Michael> oop's
[07:45:32] <Michael> yeah
[07:45:33] <Michael>
[07:45:34] <soontak> lol
[07:45:35] <Michael> sorry
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[07:45:56] <detrunco> the whole cloned BE thing seems really sweet
[07:46:03] <detrunco> anyway
[07:46:08] <detrunco> im off to bed as well
[07:46:13] <detrunco> talk to you all laters
[07:46:14] <elektronkind> yeah, I was really learly of smf at first but now I don't know how I've managed crap without it
[07:46:20] <detrunco> thx for the helps
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[07:48:14] <iEcho> ?
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[07:48:34] <elektronkind> opa
[07:48:43] <yksinaisyyteni> elektronkind: i still wish SMF wasn't so XMLy, though
[07:48:53] <yksinaisyyteni> writing manifests is somewhat unpleasant
[07:49:12] <iEcho> geez its been like years since I irc'ed
[07:49:25] * iEcho hmm
[07:49:34] <elektronkind> eh, I yeah. but then again I've had to write WSDLs for SOAP services by hand too so SFM manifests aren't too bad, relatively speaking :)
[07:49:37] * iEcho feels weird
[07:50:15] <iEcho> anyway, is it possible to get opensolaris running on 128 mb of ram??
[07:50:29] <elektronkind> iEcho: you'll find the room for trading credit card numbers over there, and down the other hall is the warez channel full of well-endowed eggbots
[07:51:12] <iEcho> elektronkind: cool
[07:51:48] <elektronkind> iEcho: it has been done, look in the archives of opensolaris-discuss... I think dclarke (dennis clarke) got it running on a 64MB system
[07:52:18] <iEcho> elektronkind: thanks
[07:52:23] <elektronkind> or some ungodly low amount of RAM like that
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[07:53:14] <elektronkind> it will be very stripped down though
[07:53:19] <elektronkind> and very slow I imagine
[07:53:34] <elektronkind> "working" may be a tenuous word
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[07:54:41] <iEcho> thats okay
[07:54:50] <iEcho> I don't have the luxury of being picky
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[08:34:41] <madwizard> Coffee?
[08:35:38] <e^ipi> i like coffee...
[08:35:48] <madwizard> Gut
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[08:36:20] <e^ipi> never trust a man that doesn't drink coffee, he's up to something.
[08:37:22] * codestr0m drinks only water
[08:37:27] * Stric taps his fingers.. excellent..
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[08:39:58] <e^ipi> water is what i give to my cat
[08:40:04] <e^ipi> and only because she won't drink coffee
[08:40:21] <trygvis> hm, svc is failing again even after a reboot
[08:40:51] <trygvis> it just forked three JVMs and let them running even if it is claiming that the service failed to start
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[08:45:10] <madwizard> e^ipi: She won't? Weird cat that is.
[08:45:39] * codestr0m could say some really smartass comments, but biting tongue
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[08:51:06] <e^ipi> madwizard: i know, right? no wonder she sleeps all the time and doesn't get anything accomplished
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[08:52:00] <trygvis> hmm, how far off is b103?
[08:52:45] <codestr0m> trygvis: I've had issues with svc as well. dug into the code, but sorry I can't help you debug this
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[08:53:13] <codestr0m> when I made the 64bit version there was a few tweaks I had to make
[08:55:44] <trygvis> goodie
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[08:56:25] <madwizard> codestr0m: You made a 64bit coffee?
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[08:56:46] <trygvis> o.O
[08:56:48] <codestr0m> madwizard: more like a 64but coffee cup for my water :)
[08:57:43] <madwizard> 64butt cup?
[08:57:45] <madwizard> Wow
[08:57:59] <CosmicDJ> sounds like a huge butt..
[08:58:01] <e^ipi> someone likes big butts
[08:58:06] <e^ipi> and he cannot lie
[08:58:16] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: I *just* missed out on the winning bid for a 2 group rancilio z11 today!
[08:58:22] <Atomdrache> Certain 450MHz UltraSPARC-II modules count as 64-butt processors.
[08:58:38] <codestr0m> madwizard: heehhehehe.. *oopse*
[08:58:39] <CIA-34> Kacheong Poon <Kacheong.Poon at Sun dot COM>: 6770864 NFS client panic: assertion failed: tcp->tcp_ordrel_mp == 0L, 6770102 seeing memory leaks at mi_tpi_ordrel_ind()
[08:58:51] <codestr0m> clearly that was a typo.. I meant... 64bit*
[08:58:56] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: too bad, how much did it end up going for
[08:58:58] <Atomdrache> (cursed ECC-less cache)
[08:59:06] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: $5 more than I bid!
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[08:59:11] <Chipdancer> (fleabay.. I was outbid)
[08:59:32] <Chipdancer> it had an 11l boiler!  not bad for a HX
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[09:00:22] <CosmicDJ> ah not that my espresso machine is bigger than yours talk again...
[09:00:23] <e^ipi> heh
[09:00:34] <Chipdancer> CosmicDJ: hehe
[09:00:42] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: bigger isn't better, dude...
[09:01:02] <CosmicDJ> e^ipi: is your girlfried telling you this? :p
[09:01:02] <Chipdancer> CosmicDJ: yeah.. having a bigger boiler isn't about it being better for size, just more stable.. and that's the key here!
[09:01:22] <yksinaisyyteni> Chipdancer: but if it's ebay, they could've bid $100 more and ebay only increased the bid by $5 over yours
[09:01:32] <Chipdancer> yksinaisyyteni: zactly
[09:01:34] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: i dunno that you need it to be 11L stable
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[09:01:54] <e^ipi> i pull 2 or 4 ounces at a time... 1.5L is enough for me
[09:02:06] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: well, for a HX... my current machine is only 1.9l...
[09:02:13] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: yes, but you're not doing HX
[09:02:17] * CosmicDJ falls asleep
[09:02:29] <e^ipi> trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[09:02:31] <Chipdancer> CosmicDJ: here, have some coffee!
[09:02:41] <e^ipi> wtf? stupid stuck 'e' key
[09:02:42] * madwizard splashes CosmicDJ with a butt of hot coffee
[09:02:46] <e^ipi> heh
[09:02:51] <e^ipi> how much  is a but of coffee anyways?
[09:02:52] <madwizard> e^ipi: Give 'em coffee, man!
[09:03:00] <madwizard> e^ipi: Ask codestr0m
[09:03:02] <madwizard> :)
[09:03:09] <madwizard> He has butt sized cups. :)
[09:03:09] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: and here I was thinking you were doing big WANG about your PID DB system! ;)
[09:03:15] <CosmicDJ> Chipdancer: just water, maybe flavoured with some tea...
[09:03:16] <e^ipi> how many litres in a butt?
[09:03:28] <madwizard> Hmmm
[09:03:30] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: well, if it's mine.. probably at least 10l!
[09:03:32] <Atomdrache> e^ipi: 36 cups, but only if you're using a PDP-10.
[09:03:33] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: no, it's pretty awesome though, you should think about getting one ;)
[09:03:44] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: yay, you can even spell litres!
[09:03:56] <e^ipi> i'm canadian, of course i can spell correctly most of the time
[09:04:08] <e^ipi> we are part of the commonwealth after all
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[09:04:12] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: I think I want to get a 2 group machine with 2 steam wands.. that way I can put different tips on them for different volumes of milk
[09:04:31] <e^ipi> what that means in practical terms i'm still uncertain about but *shrug*
[09:04:33] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: I'm sorry about your recent federal erection though
[09:04:38] <Chipdancer> s/ere/ele/
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[09:05:06] <Atomdrache> We're having some awesome typos tonight.
[09:05:10] <e^ipi> eh, minority government makes it not too terrible to have a bunch of crazy conservative nuts running the show
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[09:05:29] <Atomdrache> (or, at least, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.)
[09:05:32] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: true.. but still a conservative nutjob nonetheless :(
[09:05:38] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: and for the kiwis too :(
[09:05:52] <madwizard> Atomdrache: I'd prefer them being a typo.
[09:05:58] <e^ipi> every 10 years or so canada elects conservatives, realize how much we fscking hate conservatives, and then they don't get another shot at governing for another decade
[09:06:18] <madwizard> It's a trerrible thought: a federal erection. Nation wide, paid for with tax-payers money
[09:06:26] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: how long is your federal term?
[09:06:37] <e^ipi> 5 years
[09:06:40] <Chipdancer> (.au has 3 years, wish it was 4 or 5)
[09:06:46] <codestr0m> madwizard: btw.. quit trying to /stir/ up the pot... e^ipi and I ignore each other since we don't play nice together
[09:06:51] <e^ipi> practically speaking though we end up with 4 years
[09:06:52] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: so you let the conservative nutjobs run the country 50% of the time?
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[09:07:39] <madwizard> codestr0m: I don't stir up the pot. I have a moody mood todays.
[09:07:43] <madwizard> s/s/g
[09:07:49] <madwizard> Khm
[09:07:53] * Chipdancer goes and makes dinner
[09:07:57] <e^ipi> no, closer to about 1/3 of the time
[09:08:02] <madwizard> Can't even spell a string substitution
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[09:08:23] <Chipdancer> madwizard: here, have an erection to fix the problem
[09:08:36] <madwizard> At work. No must do.
[09:08:37] <madwizard> :)
[09:08:38] <CosmicDJ> the wizard can't spell...
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[09:08:59] <madwizard> CosmicDJ: I aint to spellwiard
[09:09:01] <madwizard> wizard
[09:09:10] <CosmicDJ> I see
[09:09:24] <Stric> q.e.d
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[09:09:40] <e^ipi> Stric++
[09:09:49] <trochej> Stric++
[09:10:10] <trochej> Quod Erad Disputandum?
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[09:13:01] <trochej> http://www.gocomics.com/adamathome/
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[09:26:38] <asyd> \_o<
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[09:29:28] <CosmicDJ> ducky
[09:30:32] <CosmicDJ> asyd: is she lame and called george?
[09:31:00] <asyd> heya, a little question before second coffe, JET is very nice to jumpstart a server, add files, execute scripts, etc. But is there a way to do the same for a zone? it's
[09:31:51] <asyd> CosmicDJ: I don't understand
[09:32:22] <CosmicDJ> asyd: hm, IIRC some guys are using zfs clone to... well clone their installed/configured zone :)
[09:33:03] <asyd> well, I start to write a script which exactly do the same thing than my jet template, but it's a kind stupid imho
[09:34:26] <codestr0m> asyd: you're just wanting bare minimum zones or pxe boot images?
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[09:34:35] <CosmicDJ> asyd: zonecfg also supports a command file..
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[09:35:29] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: yeah that's for the actual setup of the zone, but I think he means the packages
[09:35:47] <DTEIT> morning
[09:36:28] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: hm, aren't they inherit from the global zone?
[09:36:53] <codestr0m> I'm not using ipkg branded zones and didn't inherit from the global
[09:37:18] <codestr0m> when you start fiddling with your own brand you get a lot more control and chance to screw it up
[09:37:30] <yksinaisyyteni> CosmicDJ: you can add your own stuff locally as long as you don't inherit /opt
[09:37:55] <asyd> CosmicDJ: the problem is not for creating zones, but for example to edit sshd_config, policy.conf, etc
[09:38:43] <codestr0m> asyd: well. after the zone is created you can access those relative to the zone root path
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[09:38:50] <asyd> yeah yeah I know :)
[09:38:54] <codestr0m> ok?
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[09:56:45] <Berny> morning folks
[09:56:51] <trochej> Morning
[09:56:52] <trochej> Coffee
[09:57:10] <Berny> yeah!
[10:00:18] <soontak> hello, i have installed my opensolaris on xVM virtual box, how can i mount the shared folder in open solaris ?
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[10:08:10] <CosmicDJ> soontak: vbox manual "4.6 Folder sharing"
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[10:08:38] <CosmicDJ> I'd try the steps they list under "Linux guest"
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[10:10:00] <soontak> thank you
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[10:14:40] <kim0> um, I knew about disk partitions on sparc (s2) being the full disk .. I'm a bit confused on x86 what p0 and s8 mean
[10:14:44] <kim0> any doc page ?
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[10:17:50] <PerterB> it's in one of the admin docs but basically you don't need to worry about s8, just don't touch it (it's used by grub) and p0 is the entire physical disk, not just the solaris partition
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[10:19:22] <soontak> CosmicDJ: opensolaris is my guest on xVM, it seem like doesn't support shared folders
[10:19:24] <Okona> kim, p[1-4] are the dos disklabel partitions
[10:19:25] <capotej> im experiencing some weird behavior in the latest release candidate; if i type too fast or hold down a key to repeat it, the window locks up a bit, so far its every app
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[10:20:52] <soontak> CosmicDJ: i found this on http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=272377&#272377, replied post by gsporar
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[10:25:02] <CosmicDJ> soontak: hm sounds like you can't... what's your host OS?
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[10:25:17] <moazamraja> anyone know if Solaris 10/08 took out Broadcom 5714S support?
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[10:26:32] <soontak> CosmicDJ: Kubuntu
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[10:28:44] <CosmicDJ> soontak: you could try nfs sharing your dir on kubuntu and nfs mount on opensolaris; but I have no idea if that works if everything is on the same machine
[10:29:16] <CosmicDJ> I had openbsd running inside vbox a while ago and was able to nfs mount from another (!= host OS) server
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[10:30:49] <soontak> CosmicDJ : since shared folder is not supported, then my alternate choices will be SSH, samba, FTP and nfs.  thx for your helps
[10:31:14] <tynar> is it possible to take only on string output of free space in kbytes from df or du. I am using df -k /home, it gives me detailed info, but I want only free space, is it possible?
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[10:34:39] <CosmicDJ> tynar: tail + awk ?!
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[10:35:49] <tynar> CosmicDJ, don't understand, I am using shellexecute and getting results from there, all want is to get how much space is available on "path" and how much is used on "path"
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[10:36:53] <CosmicDJ> tynar: as I said, write a small shellscript or define a new alias
[10:37:11] <tynar> CosmicDJ, hmm, ok. I got it
[10:37:20] <CosmicDJ> df -k / | tail -1 | awk '{print $4}'
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[10:39:18] <tynar> wow, that's great, thanks.
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[10:41:01] <tynar> | is not supported I guess, anyway i will do that with string codes,
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[10:46:42] <kim0> Okona: so p[1-4] are the dos primary partitions .. and osol can't see extended partitions .. and all solaris slices (s[0-8]) live inside the selected p[1-4] .. is all of that true :)
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[10:48:06] <Okona> kim0: yes, the solaris slices reside inside one of the primary dos partitions
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[10:50:00] <kim0> Okona: thanks .. and it doesnt see extended partitons ?
[10:50:05] <tsoome> its not dos partition, its solaris fdisk partition
[10:51:01] <yksinaisyyteni> calling them 'solaris fdisk partitions' makes it sound like they're somehow solaris specific
[10:51:05] <wereHamster> do zones have full access to the hardware? Is it possible to run the xserver/opengl and use the nvidea driver in a solaris zone?
[10:51:51] <tsoome> it is solaris specific, as its marked with tag allocated for solaris
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[10:53:02] <Okona> kim0: i don't think so
[10:53:21] <yksinaisyyteni> tsoome: "it"?  there can be more than one DOS partition
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[10:53:45] <yksinaisyyteni> and there can be disks with 1 DOS partition where none have the solaris type
[10:53:47] <tsoome> ffs, what is this "dos" partition?
[10:54:16] <yksinaisyyteni> oh, are you nitpicking over terminology?  x86 partition, fdisk partition, whatever you want to call it
[10:54:40] <tsoome> dos partition is something you have dos installed on it.
[10:55:02] * Acidic32 *yawn*
[10:55:06] <tsoome> if you wanna talk about stuff, you need to use terminorlogy what everyone can understand in a same way
[10:55:18] <tsoome> ffs, i even cant type:D
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[10:58:29] <Acidic32> boom!
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[10:59:17] <Acidic32> if (IsOnline(lameusers)) { printf(stderr, "Bah!"); return 0; }
[10:59:42] <tsoome> c is so obsolete:P
[10:59:46] <Acidic32> heh
[10:59:57] <Acidic32> i find C to be a good language
[11:00:03] <tsoome> ofc it is:D
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[11:00:34] <Acidic32> i like Python and C++ also
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[11:01:37] <Acidic32> i am working on a Live CD Installer for a Linux distribution based on Linux From Scratch
[11:01:47] <Acidic32> basically like OpenSolaris live installer
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[11:02:19] <tsoome> anyhow, my last days experience with linux did rise the idea access to compilers must be restricted. you cant let random ppl to write code and make an os from that code.
[11:02:29] <Acidic32> just figuring out the partition side of things, and how to get it to work with gparrted of cfdisk/fdisk :P
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[11:02:50] <Acidic32> s/of/or
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[11:03:11] <Acidic32> well anways im going to shop, hungryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[11:03:41] <_coredump_> moinsen
[11:04:35] <tsoome> okay. sles 10 just reset during an attempt to create an fs at install time. im about to give up....
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[11:06:36] <tsoome> never seen such a pain with any solaris, windows, free/net bsd unixes.
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[11:36:21] <trochej> Coffeeeeee!
[11:36:27] <asyd> good idea
[11:36:52] <quasi> btdt, switched to alternative sources of caffeine
[11:37:08] <seanmcg> morning growler coffee here
[11:38:11] <CosmicDJ> quasi: well you know that cola is bad for your bones and teeth? ;)
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[11:39:23] <quasi> CosmicDJ: which is why I'm drinking tea instead
[11:39:34] <quasi> of coffee
[11:40:30] <Chipdancer> poor quasi
[11:41:34] <quasi> the thing they try to pass as coffee at work has little effect other than giving me stomach pain
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[11:46:31] <jbit> my job is to convert coffee into code
[11:46:41] <jbit> the quality of the coffee affects the quality of hte code
[11:47:21] <Chipdancer> jbit: roast your own
[11:47:27] <Chipdancer> you'll be a code god then!
[11:47:37] <jbit> Chipdancer: i'm not already? :P
[11:47:49] <Chipdancer> jbit: you roast your own?
[11:48:09] <jbit> the coffee machine is pretty good
[11:48:18] <jbit> it takes beans and grinds them and takes forever
[11:51:44] <Chipdancer> ewww, fully auto :(
[11:53:21] <jbit> i should buy a proper machine and put it on my desk :)
[11:53:51] <Chipdancer> yeah, baby!
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[11:58:42] <CIA-34> Konstantin Ananyev <Konstantin.Ananyev at Sun dot COM>: 6760828 Remove 64GB physical memory limitation for fastboot
[11:58:43] <CIA-34> Viswanathan Kannappan <Viswanathan.Kannappan at Sun dot COM>: 6723423 UFS slow following large file deletion with fix for 6513858 installed
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[13:30:16] <sickness> i'm in recco on holidays :)
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[13:50:32] <deniskolodin> I've installed openSolaris 2008.05! COOL!!! It's the best OS :) Thanks!
[13:50:55] <Chipdancer> deniskolodin: it's tiem to update.. 2008.11 just came out
[13:51:03] <CosmicDJ> what?
[13:51:48] <xRaich[o]2x> the final is out?
[13:52:00] <CosmicDJ> no, they're still at "Release Candidate 1b"
[13:52:01] <deniskolodin> Chipdancer, good idea )
[13:52:12] <Chipdancer> CosmicDJ: I got an email this morning... :)
[13:52:20] <Chipdancer> CosmicDJ: maybe I didn't pay close enough attention to it
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[13:52:58] <Chipdancer> d'oh.. nope.. that was about u8
[13:53:11] <Chipdancer> oh well :)
[13:53:16] <Chipdancer> 2008.11 isn't very far away :D
[13:53:33] <CosmicDJ> u8? that's also sounds like a distant future release ;)
[13:53:56] <Chipdancer> update 8... Solaris 10 u8 (10/08)
[13:54:38] <CosmicDJ> wrong again, sry
[13:54:47] <CosmicDJ> 10/08 is update 6
[13:55:08] <Chipdancer> CosmicDJ: yeah, ignore me... :D
[13:55:14] <Chipdancer> CosmicDJ: it's late, I've had beer ;)
[13:55:25] <Chipdancer> CosmicDJ: and I'm struggling with jailtime.org images
[13:55:26] <Pummel> excuses! :)
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[14:31:32] <Okona> how can i break an openbootprompt command? I did boot net and it only complains about failed arp requests.
[14:31:39] <Okona> i'm connected via serial console
[14:32:06] <CosmicDJ> send a BREAK
[14:32:24] <CosmicDJ> or try ~. or #.
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[14:36:06] <Okona> ~. breaks the serial session #. does nothing
[14:36:50] <CosmicDJ> #. only works on newer systems AFAIK
[14:39:07] <Okona> ~break<enter> did the trick...
[14:41:01] <iMax> is there any up-to-date example on how to correclty set up zones using zfs snapshots?
[14:41:48] <CosmicDJ> hm how are snapshots involvend when setting up a zone?
[14:42:09] <iMax> you can use them to clone a zone pretty fast
[14:43:01] <CosmicDJ> in this case; I'd clone them before the first boot...
[14:45:28] <iMax> yeah, but the examples I have seen do not use clone -s option, which seems to be there to support cloning from snapshots
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[14:53:10] <ood> Hi, is there anyway to use a SOCKS proxy for pkg, In the manpage there is something about http_proxy but here I have a socks proxy
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[14:55:35] <CosmicDJ> ood: hm you could try dante's socksify
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[14:59:23] <ood> Do you have any binaries for it? I used tsocks in linux but I can't compile it ( I have to install compilers first using pkg)
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[15:02:17] <ood> A method to mirror pkg.opensolaris.org will also help
[15:02:40] <asyd> indeed
[15:03:42] <CosmicDJ> the sunstudio tarfile should work
[15:04:53] <CosmicDJ> http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/downloads/index.jsp
[15:06:05] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: be aware that the sunstudio provided via developers.sun.com comes with a difference license than that provided at pkg.opensolaris.org
[15:07:15] <ood> and needs SDN registration :P
[15:08:07] <CosmicDJ> bugmenot
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[15:52:42] <wereHamster> do I have to do anything special to have CC understand __func__ and __asm__ or are these gcc-specific constructs?
[15:53:00] <holcomb> they are gcc specific, though they are included in sun studio express
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[15:53:43] <wereHamster> I'm using the compiler (CC) from SSX
[15:54:00] <holcomb> oh i totally thought they were in there
[15:54:20] <wereHamster> well, isn't __func__ c99?
[15:54:34] <holcomb> __FUNCTION__ is a predefined identifier that contains the name of the lexically-enclosing function. It is functionally equivalent to the c99 predefined identifier, __func__. On Solaris platforms, __FUNCTION__ is not available in -Xs and -Xc modes.
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[15:56:19] <wereHamster> This is the output: http://pastey.net/102225
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[16:05:22] <seanmcg> wereHamster, the latest sunstudio express releases do have more gcism supported including _asm__ me thinks.
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[16:06:28] <codestr0m> well. I know the inline asm support for SSX 07/08 is only like a million times better than with SS12
[16:06:47] <codestr0m> I'm surprised there's even .s files floating around the onnv codebase
[16:07:01] <wereHamster> the question is which commandline switch is needed for CC to recognize __asm__ ...
[16:09:37] <codestr0m> wereHamster: what your cc -V? and here's the SS12 cc manual.. with the difference in later versions mostly being on the wiki and in the readme http://docs.sun.com/source/820-4180/man1/cc.1.html
[16:10:23] <wereHamster> codestr0m: CC: Sun Ceres C++ 5.10 SunOS_i386 2008/10/22
[16:11:28] <seanmcg> codestr0m, SSX 11/08 is out, could be better ?
[16:11:41] <seanmcg> (assuming SSX is SunStudioeXpress..)
[16:11:50] <codestr0m> seanmcg: that is 11/08
[16:12:12] * seanmcg needs to be able to read, thanks codestr0m
[16:12:42] <codestr0m> seanmcg: no worries. I missed the 5.10 the other day on nearly the same thing
[16:13:52] <codestr0m> wereHamster: I'm using 07/08.. pastie the processed output using -E and I'll see if it's a regression of some sort.. because I'm *certain* with all the mplayer code I've built __asm__ was in there somewhere
[16:16:08] <proberts> whats the new opensolaris feature that you can roll back your zfs root?
[16:16:12] <proberts> I forget what it is called
[16:16:30] <codestr0m> beadm
[16:16:33] <codestr0m> or boot environments
[16:16:39] <proberts> thats it :)
[16:16:40] <proberts> thanks
[16:16:43] <codestr0m> np
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[16:21:41] <mikearthur> the "Users and Groups" tool messed up and removed all my permissions and I can't even su any more
[16:21:45] <mikearthur> how can I fix this/
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[16:26:28] <codestr0m> mikearthur: are you ready to install or do you want a slightly harder way which I can only partially help with?
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[16:27:39] <mikearthur> codestr0m: probably the latter
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[16:27:39] <Okona> mikearthur: which OS?
[16:27:45] <mikearthur> 2008.05
[16:28:09] <codestr0m> mikearthur: you've tried to use pfexec and all you're sure you've lost all privs?
[16:28:57] <mikearthur> I know almost nothing about OpenSolaris
[16:29:03] <mikearthur> I've just been using the GUIs
[16:29:08] <mikearthur> I'm a Linux-monkey
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[16:29:28] <codestr0m> mikearthur: I can understand.. what happens if you try pfexec su - (yes guys I know there's another way)
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[16:30:08] <mikearthur> "Roles can only be assumed by authorized users"
[16:30:20] <codestr0m> and su -
[16:30:54] <mikearthur> same
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[16:35:05] <seanmcg> pfexe
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[16:58:41] <CIA-34> George Shepherd <George.Shepherd at Sun dot COM>: 6746736 During retransmision, SCTP may not send out new message even if it can
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[17:52:53] <mattdz> hey guys.  Anyone have any experience getting RMagick to install (its a ruby gem that talks to ImageMagick)
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[18:09:37] <[RIT]Rawn027> im getting an error when i run autogen.sh, i installed all the autotools, any ideas?
[18:09:55] <[RIT]Rawn027> error is "cannoy find install.sh"
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[18:17:25] <mattdz> try installing  SUNWgnu-automake-1.9
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[18:21:53] <jamesd> to anyone that is interested in the smaller opensolaris distro's (nexenta, belenix, etc.)  there is a new channel being started ##opensolaris suited to your needs, feel free to join it as well as this one.
[18:22:43] <seanmcg> jamesd ##opensolaris ?
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[18:23:24] <jamesd> seanmcg, yes its another channel being started by codestr0m to be more friendly to the smaller  opensolaris distros
[18:24:29] <tfb> could it have a less confusing name? (alternatively, is there any way it could have a more confusing name...)
[18:24:32] <seanmcg> just confused slightly over the two #'s
[18:24:53] <codestr0m> the level of knowledge here is very deep and a lot of noobies quite frequently are verbose
[18:25:08] <codestr0m> if we offload them on a 1-by-1 basis it can keep signal/noise high here
[18:25:25] <jbk> heh amusing
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[18:25:54] <jbk> whoever does the factory installed solaris images doesn't seem to know about the -s option to tty
[18:26:12] <jamesd> i figure the more opensolaris/solaris related channels the better, the community is more than large enough to support another channel :-)
[18:26:14] <jbk> or rather the EIS images
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[18:26:34] <codestr0m> jamesd: I agree. it's just a tool.. and thanks for announcing/helping
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[18:45:54] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: so your distro is called opensolaris?
[18:46:45] <DLange> CosmicDJ: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#topicalchannels
[18:47:26] <CosmicDJ> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ogb-discuss/2008-February/004401.html
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[18:51:17] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: you're kidding?
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[18:55:06] <_DeepBlue> does OpenSolaris uses grub or anaconda ?
[18:55:54] <codestr0m> _DeepBlue: it uses grub for the boot loader and anaconda is a rh(correct me if I'm wrong) installer.. opensolaris is livecd based and you can double click on the desktop
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[18:56:54] <_DeepBlue> so I should've said Lilo
[18:57:05] <_DeepBlue> I mean the equivalent of grub in redhat..
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[18:58:04] <_DeepBlue> debian and ubuntu use Grub, and what others? is it called LiLo I guess
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[19:00:16] <slonik> _DeepBlue, yes
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[19:01:19] <_DeepBlue> ok
[19:01:36] <_DeepBlue> so does OpenSolaris use LiLo or Grub ?
[19:01:45] <codestr0m> _DeepBlue: grub
[19:01:45] <slonik> grub
[19:02:52] <_DeepBlue> so this should cause a problem we have a windows installed in the same machine
[19:03:03] <_DeepBlue> like the case of ubuntu
[19:03:21] <e^ipi> why would that cause a problem?
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[19:03:53] <_DeepBlue> after installing ubuntu, it's impossible to boot with a win XP CD
[19:04:01] <_DeepBlue> Only Vista works
[19:04:08] <e^ipi> so install windows first
[19:04:15] <e^ipi> there's plenty of dual boot instructions out there
[19:04:17] <slonik> erm, what?
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[19:04:45] <slonik> _DeepBlue, what do you want to do with that XP CD? boot the installer?
[19:04:48] <turtle> holy shit how the fuck did i accidentally join #ubuntu?!
[19:04:58] <e^ipi> turtle: *shrug*
[19:05:41] <_DeepBlue> I want to make sure that I won't have the same problem like the one I got with Ubuntu
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[19:05:45] <e^ipi> i usually wonder how i ended up on the recieving end of google.com
[19:05:47] <_DeepBlue> which uses Grub
[19:05:47] <Cyrille> keys are right next to each other
[19:06:13] <_DeepBlue> and I don't have this when using RedHat, CentOs, fedora ...
[19:06:17] <codestr0m> _DeepBlue: ##opensolaris may be a better place for friendly help
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[19:06:20] <_DeepBlue> they all use LiLo
[19:06:20] <e^ipi> i guess we're part of pagerank or something
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[19:06:45] <slonik> well, that's only the matter of setting up the boot loader correctly
[19:06:47] <_DeepBlue> aha
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[19:06:55] <slonik> I vever had problems with dual systems
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[19:07:04] <slonik> never ;-)
[19:07:22] <_DeepBlue> did you tried to re-instal windows ?
[19:07:36] <chanfle> hi, i am installing opensolaris but when it finish, i cant see the opensolaris grub
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[19:07:40] <slonik> no I use it only once a week
[19:07:42] <slonik> ;-)
[19:07:44] <_DeepBlue> on the same machine where u have a Lilo loader ?
[19:07:49] <slonik> for couple of minutes
[19:07:50] <turtle> learning how to work your bootloader would probably take less time than reinstalling windows
[19:08:02] <_DeepBlue> no
[19:08:04] <slonik> but anyway
[19:08:09] <e^ipi> alright, getting that stabby feeling again... this shit is retarded
[19:08:11] <_DeepBlue> ther's nbo relation
[19:08:14] <chanfle> i mean, i have installed debian and fedora too, but i cant run my opensolaris installed :( is there any way?
[19:08:22] <codestr0m> chanfle: check /rpool.. if you're on a zfs root
[19:08:27] <_DeepBlue> re-instal windows mean another problem
[19:08:38] <_DeepBlue> but if we have to
[19:08:44] <_DeepBlue> we're done
[19:08:47] <_DeepBlue> ther's no way
[19:08:49] <_DeepBlue> :D
[19:08:55] <slonik> there is
[19:08:59] <chanfle> codestr0m: my problem is that i cant access to my opensolaris system instaled, when the sistem start, i just can see the debian grub =/
[19:09:00] <slonik> very simple
[19:09:17] <slonik> you boot from ANY distro
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[19:09:25] <slonik> there are couple of ways
[19:09:30] <slonik> chroot for example
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[19:09:50] <_DeepBlue> once I had to just repair my windows, and after insterting the CD, it doesn't work
[19:09:56] <slonik> you just have to understand how things work
[19:10:09] <_DeepBlue> because of that F**** Grub Loader :D
[19:10:27] <slonik> umm
[19:10:39] <_DeepBlue> why doed LiLo doesn't make the same problem
[19:10:41] <_DeepBlue> ?
[19:10:41] <slonik> what didn;t work?
[19:10:49] <slonik> lilo?
[19:10:49] <e^ipi> "i don't understand something, therefore /it/ must be the problem"
[19:10:51] <_DeepBlue> the CD didn't boot
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[19:11:03] <_DeepBlue> ok
[19:11:13] <chanfle> :(
[19:11:13] <slonik> afair XP erases bootloader
[19:11:27] <slonik> or I don;t understand what are you talking about ;-)
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[19:12:46] <_DeepBlue> I have a Grub System(Ubuntu) and a Windows XP on the same machine. One day I had to repair my windows, so I should boot from the windows instalation CD, but it didn't boot.
[19:13:05] <slonik> so it's boot order issue
[19:13:13] <_DeepBlue> I realized that all the people have this problem
[19:13:16] <slonik> grub has nothing to do with it
[19:13:20] <chanfle> damn...
[19:13:30] <chanfle> is there any way to run opensolaris as a guest sistem =?
[19:13:37] <_DeepBlue> but I have always access to both of them
[19:13:42] <e^ipi> chanfle: virtualbox
[19:13:54] <chanfle> i have finished the install process but it never answer where to put the grub
[19:14:19] <e^ipi> no, it puts it in the MBR
[19:14:20] <_DeepBlue> <slonik> grub has nothing to do with it: so Why does Lilos systems don't causes that problem ?
[19:14:23] <chanfle> so, when i reboot i know that again is going to star with fedora or debian
[19:14:28] <e^ipi> our grub can boot linux, linux grub can't boot solaris
[19:14:39] <e^ipi> conclusion: use our grub
[19:14:52] <chanfle> and how can i use ur grub ?
[19:15:18] <e^ipi> install solaris last, add the correct lines to menu.lst
[19:15:20] <slonik> e^ipi, really? good to know ;-)
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[19:15:40] <chanfle> but how can i add the damn lines ?
[19:15:49] <e^ipi> with vi
[19:15:53] <chanfle> i mean, is installed as the last operating sistem
[19:15:53] <tfb> Surely the best answer is what you sadid earlier: don't do that (multiboot).  use VM :-).
[19:16:00] <tfb> much easier...
[19:16:07] <e^ipi> that's what I do... one machine, one OS
[19:16:14] <tfb> me too
[19:16:20] <tfb> multibooting is horrible at best
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[19:16:24] <e^ipi> dual booting is stupid, machines are cheap
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[19:16:31] <slonik> _DeepBlue, you mean, taht you have ubuntu+windows with grub and you can't boot cd?
[19:16:38] <tfb> and VM systems are even cheaper...
[19:16:39] <chanfle> you r amazing people :)
[19:16:41] <e^ipi> you can toss together a machine for $50
[19:16:42] <slonik> e^ipi, but it takes space ;-)
[19:16:54] <e^ipi> less if you use older parts
[19:16:57] <tfb> virtualbox takes 0 space
[19:17:07] <e^ipi> true
[19:17:13] <e^ipi> and is free
[19:17:19] <slonik> but it's half-solution
[19:17:25] <chanfle> thanks for the awesome help!!! :D i ll continue using freebsd or linux, solaris sucks :)
[19:17:32] <slonik> lol
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[19:18:07] <codestr0m> chanfle: btw. this is exactly why we setup ##opensolaris
[19:18:07] <tfb> half soln why?  I do fine with my virtual machine (which, OK, is VMware, but same deal)
[19:18:34] <chanfle> codestr0m: ?
[19:18:39] <_DeepBlue> slonik: yes
[19:19:01] <slonik> tfb, you are using virtual, non-existing hardware which won't cause any physical problems for examle
[19:19:33] <slonik> _DeepBlue, that's odd, cause I have *exactly* the same and I'm booting CDs without any problems
[19:19:53] <tfb> oh, yes, I agree with that.  depends on what you want the machine for of course.  I kind of like not having to deal with random flaky PC HW :-)
[19:20:14] <slonik> tfb, but for learning - I completely agree
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[19:20:33] <slonik> I did that with linux and freebsd some time ago
[19:20:36] <_DeepBlue> slonik: ok I believe u
[19:21:04] <_DeepBlue> slonik: I gonna install OpenSolarios but u r responsible :D
[19:21:05] <tfb> or in my case for a "production" instance which I want to be immune from underlying dross where possible
[19:21:07] <slonik> _DeepBlue, try to turn off HD booting in BIOS and leave only CD/DVD
[19:21:18] <_DeepBlue> ooook
[19:21:20] <_DeepBlue> :)
[19:21:27] <slonik> _DeepBlue, on that machine? as third system?
[19:21:28] <_DeepBlue> thank u so much ;)
[19:21:36] <_DeepBlue> no
[19:21:39] <_DeepBlue> other one
[19:21:44] <slonik> ah, get it
[19:21:52] <_DeepBlue> :)
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[19:22:19] <slonik> _DeepBlue, I take no responsibility for your hardware ;-)
[19:22:30] <slonik> I'm just telling some facts
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[19:23:36] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: kidding? how?
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[19:26:51] <_DeepBlue> slonik: nooooo I will follow your recommendation :-)
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[19:27:14] <slonik> _DeepBlue, hang on, tell me again what'ya want to do?
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[19:33:49] <_DeepBlue> slonik: just kidding man :)
[19:34:08] <_DeepBlue> slonik: I'm just going to install it on a test machine
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[19:34:21] <_DeepBlue> where I have a windows
[19:34:22] <slonik> _DeepBlue, very well
[19:34:33] <slonik> I just finished installing SXCE on xVM
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[19:34:41] <slonik> it's slow as hell ;-P
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[19:44:19] <jamesd> why does sun insist on using java for there webstuff.. can't get sunsolve patches since java is broke again.. getting error 503
[19:45:05] <tsoome> why dont you complain like why is sun suggesting to use solaris?;)
[19:46:01] <tsoome> btw, you could use smpatch to download patches this way you can avoid sunsolve
[19:46:31] <CosmicDJ> or pca...
[19:46:56] <tsoome> pca get the from sunsolve anyhow
[19:47:00] <tsoome> gets*
[19:48:17] <jamesd> since it was only 10 patches i figure i would avoid pca  since its not useful for SXCE that i mostly use at home
[19:48:55] <TomJ> you can patch sxce?
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[19:49:05] <CosmicDJ> well useful enough to fetch sun studio patches..
[19:49:22] <TomJ> pca is great, much faster than going to a website I would have thought
[19:49:36] <TomJ> pca --user=bob --pass=monkey -i 1 -i 2 -i 3 ; done
[19:49:58] <quasi> yeah, much simpler
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[19:58:41] <CIA-34> Paul Cheng <Paul.Cheng at Sun dot COM>: 6769625 The reason arg is not substituted in DM messages
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[20:09:02] <rickross> anyone know from first-hand experience whether OpenSolaris is properly supporting the LSI 1068E HBA controller?
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[20:18:06] <CosmicDJ> rickross: checked the HCL?
[20:18:11] <rickross> yes
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[20:18:41] <rickross> it is not listed, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work - the vendor lists Solaris x86 as a supported system
[20:19:01] <rickross> on the phone with them now to get clarification (they seem not to know about the hcl)
[20:19:14] <CosmicDJ> are they providing drivers?
[20:19:29] <rickross> thy do - http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home/host_bus_adapters/sas_hbas/lsisas3081er/index.html
[20:19:50] <rickross> http://www.lsi.com/DistributionSystem/AssetDocument/itmpt_x86_5.07.04.txt
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[20:20:14] <rickross> that's why I was hoping for someone with first-hand experience
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[20:22:47] <CosmicDJ> hm IIRC the driver api is very stable, so it should work...
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[20:49:40] <RElling1> rickross: LSI 1068E is used in a large number of Sun products, including both x86 (eg X4540) and SPARC (eg M9000) using the mpt(7D) driver
[20:50:13] <rickross> RElling1: thanks, that makes it sounds like a safer bet
[20:50:35] <rickross> LSI also claims solid support, but they aren't on the HCL for the adapter series we're considering
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[20:58:46] <CIA-34> Sudheer A <Sudheer.Abdul-Salam at Sun dot COM>: 6764734 tsc sync is unnecessary for hvm guests
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[21:04:01] <victori>  /wishes netstat -an would should all connections including zones from global
[21:05:03] <e^ipi> file an RFE, attach a patch
[21:05:39] <e^ipi> & an ARC onepager
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[21:06:44] <CosmicDJ> guess we all know now again, why you can count the solaris devs outside sun with just 2 hands..
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[21:07:23] <e^ipi> because sun keeps hiring all of us?
[21:07:55] <quasi> e^ipi: s/hiring/firing/ ?
[21:08:03] <CosmicDJ> well someone has to fill the lonely desks after thousands were laid off
[21:08:09] <e^ipi> that too :(
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[21:24:42] <TomJ> How can I print the current NFSv4 domain name?
[21:25:37] <sergei_k> hi there! tell me please, what is the path to home directory?
[21:26:16] <e^ipi> ~
[21:27:18] <sergei_k> i need real path =(
[21:27:25] <e^ipi> pwd.
[21:27:28] <sergei_k> to chmod it a little
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[21:27:40] <alanc> should be able to chmod ~
[21:27:56] <e^ipi> or $PWD
[21:28:02] <sergei_k> i am in root
[21:28:12] <alanc> then ~username
[21:28:12] <e^ipi> cat /etc/passwd
[21:28:24] <sergei_k> thanks
[21:28:34] <alanc> every user has a different home directory - we can't possibly guess the path yours uses
[21:28:57] <trygvis> getent passwd <user> | cut -f 3 -d :
[21:29:23] <e^ipi> yeah, that's way shorter than ~user ;)
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[21:30:09] <bigjohnto> in CDE how can you restart the "workspace
[21:30:12] <bigjohnto> from the command line
[21:30:12] <bigjohnto> ?
[21:30:34] <alanc> a workspace isn't a program
[21:30:46] <trygvis> :p
[21:31:53] <bigjohnto> yes i know that but you are able to restart the Xsun server without loosing the session
[21:32:02] <bigjohnto> so i thougth they might have some little script or something written
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[21:32:16] <sergei_k> alanc: is it? oO
[21:32:54] <alanc> I've never seen a CDE session survive the Xserver restarting
[21:33:21] <bigjohnto> hmm alright
[21:33:22] <alanc> dtwm is the window manager in CDE, I think it draws the workspace switcher/front panel
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[21:37:32] <wereHamster> who writes the intel drivers (for the intel graphics chips)? Is it intel or sun? And is the source available somewhere?
[21:38:34] <wereHamster> or does xf86-video-intel also work under solaris?
[21:39:18] <codestr0m> wereHamster: they probably work together on it.. before it's pushed to onnv.. behind firewall or check the different gates as there's misc work/projects floating around in them
[21:40:36] <thebentzone> bigjohnto: if you change your window handling (auto raise/auto focus), X is restarted and CDE looks just the way it was...
[21:41:25] <alanc> wereHamster: intel writes them for Linux, intel and sun cooperate on porting to Solaris
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[21:41:36] <alanc> and yes, xf86-video-intel is exactly what we use on Solaris
[21:41:39] <bigjohnto> hmmm ok
[21:42:13] <trochej> http://www.youtube.com/MontyPython
[21:42:33] <alanc> xf86-video-intel is in X, not ON - the kernel DRI/DRM module for intel graphics, and the agpgart/agptarget drivers that allow intel graphics to use system RAM as Video RAM are in ON
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[21:43:21] <alanc> they're in the middle of setting up a new opensolaris.org project page & hg repo for sharing the intel driver development trees before integration to X & ON
[21:43:32] <wereHamster> alanc: does solaris have something like DRM? The new features in DRM (GEM, kernel modesetting) are nice. Is something comparable going anytime soon into solaris?
[21:44:01] <alanc> wereHamster: Solaris has something exactly like DRM, being a port of the BSD/Linux DRM code
[21:44:25] <alanc> I don't know when those updates will make it into Solaris, since the kernel team handles those
[21:44:27] <wereHamster> ah, looking forward to it :)
[21:44:48] <alanc> but we definitely want them in solaris too
[21:45:58] <wereHamster> I was just curious because I've never seen anyone from sun (apart from you) on the xorg mailing list
[21:46:13] <wereHamster> or discussion anything related to DRM/intel drivers
[21:46:30] <alanc> the other people are quiet
[21:46:48] <alanc> I try to get them to post publicly, but they're just shy...
[21:47:07] <wereHamster> yeah, it's like you're hiding behind shadows and silently listining :)
[21:47:22] <alanc> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/dri/ is the existing DRI/DRM project web page
[21:47:24] <codestr0m> wereHamster: it's corporate culture
[21:47:41] <codestr0m> they aren't asocial. they just aren't used to /IRC/
[21:47:43] <alanc> not sure what the intel graphics one will be
[21:48:21] <Tobbe> Hi. I'm trying to set up an smb share on 2008.11rc1b. I've been looking at various guides, including one from docs.sun.com, but I can't get it to work. svcs -xv smb/server says it's in maintenance. And then it says something about SMF_EXIT_ERR_FATAL, which doesn't sound too good. Any ideas what could be wrong?
[21:48:56] <h3sp4wn> Tobbe: There is a script in the CIFS opensolaris project you could try running to start with
[21:49:35] <Tobbe> h3sp4wn: the cifs-chkcfg script?
[21:49:35] <rab> Tobbe: look in the startup method to see if you can find out why it returned that error
[21:50:19] <Tobbe> hmm, cifs-chkcfg says "CIFS driver (smbsrv) is not installed"
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[21:50:50] <Tobbe> I'll see what the Package Manager says about that...
[21:51:48] <Tobbe> I can't find a smbsrv package in the opensolaris.org repository. Is it called something else?
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[21:52:28] <Tobbe> SUNWsmbs is installed
[21:52:38] <Tobbe> rab: where do I find the startup method?
[21:54:14] <rem7> I booted my machine with the live CD because I couldn't boot, and I imported my rpool and got some files I needed. Now, if I want to reboot back into opensolaris, do I have to export my rpool from the live CD and my installation will pick up the pool just fine or will it say that it was mounted somewhere else and needs to be import -f?
[21:55:31] <rab> Tobbe: isn't it in the svc log? svcs -x has a path to the log. the log should say something like 'running start method /lib/svc/...'
[21:55:42] <Tobbe> thanks, I'll check
[21:56:02] <rab> rem7: might as well export it
[21:56:16] <h3sp4wn> Tobbe: look in /kernel to check smbsvr exists, check the - smbsvr module is loaded (modinfo) if its not load it (modload)
[21:56:46] <sergei_k> is /export/home/username  only a link?
[21:57:05] <sergei_k> what is the destination?
[21:58:23] <Tobbe> rab: the start method is a binary file. Doesn't say much I'm affraid :/
[21:58:29] <Tobbe> h3sp4wn: I'll see what I can find
[21:58:48] <rab> which service?
[21:58:54] <CIA-34> Sree Vemuri <Sree.Vemuri at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2008/665 Tenaya Platform Software Support, 6766865 Solaris support needed for SPARC-Enterprise-T3120
[21:59:12] <holcomb> t3120?
[21:59:54] <Tobbe> rab: /usr/lib/smbsrv/smbd
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[22:01:56] <Tobbe> h3sp4wn: no smbsvr in /kernel/
[22:02:13] <rab> hmm - it is a binary, sure enough, that's bizarre
[22:03:27] <h3sp4wn> Tobbe: possibly you have missed a package then
[22:03:37] <rab> Tobbe: sounds like you missed a package, yes
[22:03:59] <Tobbe> everything I find when I search for "smb" in Package Manager is installed
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[22:04:16] <rab> on my machine I have:
[22:04:19] <Tobbe> (opensolaris.org repository)
[22:04:28] <rab> SUNWsmbskr, SUNWsmbs, SUNWsmbfs
[22:05:01] <Tobbe> yeah, I have those too
[22:05:13] <Tobbe> (and a few more)
[22:06:02] <rab> anything in /var/adm/messages
[22:06:05] <rab> or /var/log/syslog ?
[22:06:14] <rab> looks like smbd logs to syslog
[22:06:41] <Tobbe> the smb log says "kernel bind error: No such file or directory", which isn't too surprising now...
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[22:07:23] <rab> does this path exist on your system?
[22:07:25] <rab> /devices/pseudo/smbsrv@0:smbsrv
[22:08:50] <Tobbe> /var/log/messages just says that "..../smbd start" failed with exit status 95
[22:08:54] <Tobbe> I'll check that path
[22:09:58] <Tobbe> no, "ls smbs*" returns nothing in /devices/psuedo/
[22:10:21] <rab> what about modinfo | grep smb
[22:10:27] <rab> should have smbsrv module loaded
[22:10:34] <Tobbe> no, it doesn't
[22:11:10] <rab> ok, do you have /kernel/drv/amd64/smbsrv present?
[22:11:11] <Tobbe> that only returns smbios and nsmb
[22:11:17] <Tobbe> I'll check
[22:11:52] <Tobbe> yes, I do
[22:12:11] <rab> strange. i suppose you could try as suggested above and modload it
[22:12:28] <rab> modload /kernel/drv/amd64/smbsrv
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[22:12:42] <Tobbe> ohh, I only tried it without the path... let me try again :)
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[22:13:45] <Tobbe> "can't load module: No such device or address"
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[22:16:13] <rab> looking...oy this code is ugly
[22:16:35] <Tobbe> :)
[22:18:40] <rab> can you run this dtrace command in another window?
[22:18:53] <Tobbe> another?
[22:19:16] <rab> dtrace -n 'fbt::smb_open_subr:return{trace(arg1);}'
[22:19:20] <rab> then try modload again
[22:20:45] <rab> out for lunch...bbl
[22:20:50] <Tobbe> invalid probe specifier
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[22:21:19] <Tobbe>  probe description fbt::smb_open_subr:return does not match any probes
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[22:23:17] <CrippsFX> rab, arg1? why are you tracing arg1 ?
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[22:30:00] <Triskelios> man, why does iwk keep dropping my connections?
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[22:30:37] <h3sp4wn> Triskelios: Are you using nwam ?
[22:30:57] <Triskelios> yes
[22:31:24] <h3sp4wn> Its tons more stable for me if I just use dladm connect-wifi -e foo -s wpa -k bar iwk0 and then ifconfig iwk0 plumb;ifconfig iwk0 dhcp
[22:31:26] <bubbva> triskelios: I've had issues with that driver, but it seems to be better with the newer versions. What OS Build are you running?
[22:31:45] <Triskelios> snv_101 right now
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[22:32:42] <h3sp4wn> Its annoying there is no support for the a band (and yet though go for n thats not even a standard yet first)
[22:32:42] <Triskelios> strangely, when it craps out sometimes it seems to still see network traffic but stops responding to arp requests
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[22:33:32] <Triskelios> h3sp4wn: well, n is much more widely deployed than a these days, it's really a shame since the original driver was proper multiband though
[22:34:19] <h3sp4wn> really ? maybe for home use
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[22:39:58] <moazamraja> anyone know if Solaris 10/08 took out Broadcom 5714S support?
[22:40:17] <moazamraja> or if,for whatever reason, the bge driver doesn't work with the Broadcom 5714S?
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[22:41:34] <Triskelios> maybe the updated bge hasn't yet been backported;
[22:42:04] <prav33n> This Firefox issue is bothering me a lot
[22:42:05] <prav33n> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=5244
[22:42:24] <e^ipi> patches welcome
[22:42:24] <prav33n> I have just filed this bug. Please let me know if someone has any information on it
[22:42:36] <e^ipi> I'll sponsor the putback myself if you generate a .diff
[22:42:37] <moazamraja> Triskelios: but...I thikn 5714S has been supported since like a year ago
[22:42:51] <moazamraja> Triskelios: at least the old Solaris 10/06 docs mention it
[22:44:10] <Triskelios> moazamraja: maybe that was in bcme?
[22:45:01] <e^ipi> prav33n, if you run dem(1) across the mangled symbols, looks like it's the autocomplete that's dying
[22:45:06] <e^ipi> try clearing your history
[22:46:41] <Triskelios> googling for AutoCompleteProcessSearch returns at least one crash report...
[22:46:48] <e^ipi> you may also want to try installing awesomebar rather than smartbar
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[22:48:24] <e^ipi> ( also, don't file on defect.os.o, nobody checks it except the installer and pkg(5) guys )
[22:48:35] <wereHamster> does an executable have to be compiled with special flags to be traceable with dtrace?
[22:48:42] <richo> hmmm
[22:48:43] <e^ipi> wereHamster, nope
[22:49:03] <e^ipi> USDT probes need to be added in code, but fbt probes are just there
[22:49:32] <Triskelios> e^ipi: well, a lot of jds bugs are on defect
[22:50:11] <e^ipi> do the JDS guys check d.o.o ?
[22:50:28] <e^ipi> there are plenty of ON bugs in d.o.o too, but they don't get fixed or noticed
[22:50:33] <alanc> e^ipi: actually the desktop guys are pretty good at following defects.os.o since they prefer bugzilla over bugster
[22:50:44] <e^ipi> good to know
[22:50:56] <alanc> the ON engineers just need to be beaten into submission to our new bugtracking overlords still
[22:51:29] <e^ipi> or b.o.o needs to be made better, and d.o.o can go away
[22:51:38] <prav33n> e^ipi, Thanks
[22:51:53] <alanc> (though, realistically, having a bug system with just one category covering all kernel bugs, and another for all other "software" bugs, isn't going to make it easy for ON people to use it)
[22:51:58] <prav33n> e^ipi, What is the right place to file this issue then?
[22:52:10] <alanc> I thought b.o.o couldn't be made better, which is why d.o.o was created
[22:52:28] <e^ipi> there are a couple things that can be done to make it better
[22:52:34] <prav33n> e^ipi, I remember comay saying that we file all OpenSolaris binary distribution bugs in defect.opensolaris.org
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[22:52:47] <richo> I'm still getting a kernel panic with the DVD that dclarke suggested, is there someone who could take a look? I'm trying to run PV in xen.
[22:52:52] <e^ipi> making d.o.o work with the rest of everything else is a lot harder than making b.o.o good
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[22:53:59] <e^ipi> prav33n, tried installing awesomebar?
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[22:54:18] <prav33n> e^ipi, I am searching about it
[22:54:22] <e^ipi> i don't know how to turn autocomplete off, but that would also work
[22:54:26] <prav33n> I have never heard about it
[22:54:38] <prav33n> I tried clearing the history before filing the bug
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[22:54:47] <prav33n> However it just made things worse
[22:54:59] <prav33n> Previously, I get the crash only for the first character a and w
[22:55:08] <prav33n> Now I get the crash all the time (after clearing the history)
[22:55:23] <prav33n> I am very surprised that no one else have even seen this issue
[22:55:25] <e^ipi> the call stack is some exception handling and then internal string processing from autocomplete
[22:55:36] <Triskelios> might be some flipped bits in the history db
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[22:55:53] <Triskelios> e^ipi: I don't know what b.o.o looks like internally - I'm assuming it has some nice facilities not visible outside?
[22:56:04] <prav33n> e^ipi, How to install this Awesome bar?
[22:56:12] <e^ipi> Triskelios, like the ability to write ? yeah...
[22:56:14] <prav33n> Looks like it is the code name for the address bar in Firefox 3
[22:56:29] <e^ipi> prav33n, no, that's smartbar... awesomebar is an add-on
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[22:56:55] <e^ipi> prav33n, have you also tried killing firefox and removing ~/.firefox ?
[22:57:02] <kimc> according to the Opensolaris COMSTAR project page 'COMSTAR is integrated into the latest Solaris Express Community Edition (SXE)'
[22:57:07] <Triskelios> I thought awesomebar was just the builtin history/bookmarks search
[22:57:24] <e^ipi> or .mozilla rather
[22:57:26] <prav33n> e^ipi, I didn't try that
[22:57:31] <e^ipi> try that.
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[22:57:39] <prav33n> e^ipi, I will back that directory up
[22:57:51] <kimc> if i do: svcadm enable iscsi/target
[22:57:54] <e^ipi> for that matter just move it to .mozila-broken
[22:58:39] <kimc> it returns: svcadm: Pattern 'iscsi/target' doesn't match any instances
[22:58:44] <CIA-34> Ali Bahrami <Ali.Bahrami at Sun dot COM>: 6736890 PT_SUNWBSS should be disabled, PSARC/2008/715 PT_SUNWBSS removal
[22:58:55] <kimc> looks like its not in b102
[22:59:06] <Triskelios> kimc: system/iscsitgt?
[22:59:06] <prav33n> e^ipi, Moving the firefox directory seems to solve the crash
[22:59:10] <e^ipi> Triskelios, hmm... if so what's the replacement add-on ?
[22:59:14] <prav33n> However I will lose all my bookmarks
[22:59:24] <e^ipi> prav33n, so back up the bookmarks
[22:59:25] <prav33n> I have to reimport them or something
[22:59:37] <Triskelios> e^ipi: I don't know... I use an add-on called peers which does inline search
[22:59:44] <prav33n> e^ipi, Thanks
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[23:02:53] <kimc> Triskelios: its the COMSTAR iscsi target
[23:03:09] <kimc> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/comstar/
[23:03:16] <wereHamster> e^ipi: do fbt probes see internal functions in an application?
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[23:03:57] <e^ipi> wereHamster, http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223/chp-pid?a=view
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[23:04:03] <e^ipi> the dtrace guide details all this.
[23:04:22] <Tobbe> rab: I'm going to bed, please just leave a message if you have any more ideas
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[23:06:00] <Triskelios> kimc: hm... http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nws/ does say snv_102
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[23:06:26] * timeless looks for james carlson
[23:07:28] <alanc> Triskelios: b.o.o copies data out from our internal bug database built on Oracle/Siebel software with a custom Java client - it's a hell of a lot nicer than the bugs.os.o interface
[23:07:42] <timeless> hi alanc
[23:08:04] <alanc> hi timeless
[23:08:20] <alanc> I don't know that I've ever seen jim carlson use IRC
[23:08:29] <prav33n> e^ipi, Can you please give me the URL for Awsome Bar?
[23:08:38] <prav33n> It seems to be a too generic name to search for
[23:08:41] <timeless> so, i'm looking for info about repo.opensolaris.org
[23:09:00] <prav33n> And when I searched addons.mozilla.org, I get a hit that isn't quite popular
[23:09:06] <timeless> it mentions repositories
[23:09:16] <timeless> prav33n: eh?
[23:09:17] <richo> I lie, it's working fine
[23:09:21] <timeless> awesomebar is part of firefox 3
[23:09:27] <Triskelios> prav33n: http://ed.agadak.net/2007/11/smartbar-to-awesomebar describes them both as implementions of the default firefox address bar
[23:09:33] <prav33n> timeless, That is what I thought too
[23:09:34] <sbahra> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/features/
[23:09:41] <prav33n> However e^ipi said that it is an addon
[23:10:15] <prav33n> He calls the Firefox bar as Smart Bar and asked me to install Awesome bar
[23:10:21] <prav33n> I am a bit confused here
[23:10:23] * timeless shrugs
[23:10:31] <kimc> are you sure thats not Awesome Beer?
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[23:11:13] <prav33n> <prav33n> Looks like it is the code name for the address bar in Firefox 3
[23:11:13] <prav33n> <e^ipi> prav33n, no, that's smartbar... awesomebar is an add-on
[23:11:31] <timeless> there are no modern extensions w/ 'awesome' in their chrome name
[23:11:40] <Triskelios> prav33n: e^ipi meant something else <e^ipi> Triskelios, hmm... if so what's the replacement add-on ?
[23:12:00] <timeless> there are 6 extensions w/ some reference to awesome
[23:12:15] * stevel is awesome
[23:12:16] * stevel bows
[23:12:24] <timeless> /7400, /7423, /7429
[23:12:24] <stevel> and modest too
[23:12:29] <timeless> none of them are remotely interesting
[23:12:45] <prav33n> I wish galeon was packaged for OpenSolaris
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[23:13:07] <Triskelios> yeah, I miss khtml, er, webkit, from time to time
[23:13:08] <timeless> there's a smartbookmarksbar
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[23:13:23] * timeless shrugs
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[23:14:17] <timeless> alanc: so...
[23:14:19] <Archite> has anyone run into an issue on 101a with en_US.UTF-8 being unkown?
[23:14:31] <Archite> locale, that is
[23:14:32] <timeless> is there a document that talks about the design goals for repo.opensolaris.org
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[23:14:37] <timeless> or requirements or something
[23:14:39] <Triskelios> Archite: nope, I use en_US.UTF-8 on 101a...
[23:15:13] <Archite> I've seen reports off it all over but never any answers.
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[23:15:45] <Archite> I didn't have this issue when I upgraded from 2008.05 but this time I installed 99 first and then upgraded
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[23:16:29] <wereHamster> is there a tool to visualize dtrace output (something like http://code.google.com/p/jrfonseca/wiki/Gprof2Dot)?
[23:16:31] <alanc> what's repo.os.org ?
[23:16:49] <alanc> do you mean pkg.os.org, the IPS package repository?   otherwise, I've never heard of it
[23:16:51] <timeless> it's something mentioned on website-discuss as a 'scm console'
[23:17:05] <Triskelios> repo is something jim grisanzio is working on
[23:17:08] * timeless can't reach www.opensolaris.org
[23:17:16] <timeless> triskelios: don't suppose he ircs?
[23:17:32] <alanc> oh, the scm console is an upgraded web app for managing the hg & svn code repositories hosted on opensolaris.org
[23:17:42] <alanc> I hadn't seen the repo name for that though
[23:17:46] <Triskelios> timeless: he does, on occasions
[23:17:57] <timeless> how about a time winodw? :)
[23:18:00] <Triskelios> timeless: last seen 2 weeks ago
[23:18:01] * timeless gets greedy
[23:18:04] <palowoda> bugs.opensolaris.org is down also.
[23:18:07] <alanc> jimgris lives in Tokyo now, so it's almost time for him to wake up
[23:18:38] <timeless> is *.os.org dead?
[23:18:40] <Triskelios> yeah, I can't reach most of os.o
[23:18:54] <timeless> can someone file a trouble ticket? :)
[23:19:00] <palowoda> Went down about 5min ago.
[23:20:09] <timeless> does genunix.org have hg repos?
[23:20:28] <stevel> timeless: hg.genunix.org
[23:20:30] <stevel> i know they mirror ON
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[23:20:54] <timeless> cool
[23:22:01] <prav33n> When I export and import FF3 bookmarks, the tags are not preserved?
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[23:25:23] <timeless> sounds reasonable
[23:25:33] <timeless> bookmarks is a simple hierachical format
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[23:25:47] <timeless> and it's not really owned by firefox, it's the NESCAPE-BOOKMARK-1 format
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[23:27:25] <jbit> nescape sounds like a brand of instant coffee
[23:28:26] <codestr0m> don't worry guys. they'll fix it soon.. I think I crashed pkg.os.o with one malformed frmi request <sarcasm />
[23:28:55] <codestr0m> it happened right after I did
[23:28:55] <codestr0m> pkgrecv -s http://pkg.opensolaris.org:80/ sunstudioexpress at 0 dot 2008.11-0.86
[23:29:01] <codestr0m> so whatever you do. .don't do that :P
[23:29:07] * codestr0m hides
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[23:29:29] <cypromis> lol
[23:29:58] <alanc> if all of *.os.o is down it's more likely ISP routing trouble
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[23:30:31] <codestr0m> I'm not going to stir things up.. right now...
[23:30:37] * codestr0m goes back to work
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[23:33:16] <r0bbk1dd> Something squirrely going on with the opensolaris.org servers?
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[23:34:47] <stevel> r0bbk1dd: they're down
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[23:35:44] <r0bbk1dd> stevel: That would explain things.
[23:35:44] <codestr0m> someone want to add this to topic if it persists much longer
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[23:35:47] *** stevel changes topic to "YES. *.opensolaris.org is down."
[23:36:03] <stevel> grumble grumble c&p
[23:36:11] *** stevel changes topic to "YES. *.opensolaris.org is down. | SXCE 101 (102 yanked. DON'T USE IT), ON 102, IPS 101a || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca"
[23:36:52] <RElling1> stevel: while you're at it, ON 103
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[23:37:14] <capaz> well, looks like all of sun.com is down from here. :-(
[23:37:19] <alanc> I was just going to check on that, since nv_103 was published internally today, but dlc.sun.com is down too...
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[23:37:36] <codestr0m> someone forgot to pay the lightbill? :P
[23:37:46] <palowoda> Yeah 102 had nasty bug-a-boo's.  Including one that did a hard reset when the kernel came up with pci-e amd motherboards.
[23:37:47] <r0bbk1dd> Good lord.
[23:37:48] <codestr0m> grumpy employee who got laid off?
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[23:37:55] * alanc flicks on the lightswitch
[23:38:02] <alanc> nope, lights still come on
[23:38:26] <palowoda> Turn off the backup generator.
[23:38:37] <alanc> the opensolaris.org machines at least are at a co-lo though, not somewhere Sun pays the power bills
[23:38:51] *** stevel changes topic to "YES. *.opensolaris.org is down. | SXCE 101 (102 yanked. DON'T USE IT), ON 103, IPS 101a || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca"
[23:38:51] <alanc> not sure where www.sun.com is
[23:39:00] <stevel> alanc: it's in the same cage as sun.com
[23:39:18] <palowoda> Sun can pay the power bills?
[23:39:31] <jbit> caged servers ;(   that's cruel, i want free range ones
[23:39:35] <r0bbk1dd> Some colo tech tripped on a cable?
[23:39:38] <palowoda> Oh :)
[23:39:57] <vmlemon_> jbit: And they've got to be organic, too? ;)
[23:40:06] <codestr0m> r0bbk1dd: no. those days are long gone. they use poe now :P
[23:41:04] <alanc> palowoda: sure, $3billion in the bank can pay a lot of power bills, unless our bank has now gone belly up too
[23:41:26] <jbit> vmlemon_: indeed, only fed recycled power ;P
[23:41:32] <codestr0m> when is the amount in the bank going ot be more than the stock is worth?
[23:41:54] <alanc> codestr0m: I think Sun stock dropped below that a couple weeks ago
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[23:42:09] <codestr0m> alanc: no way?
[23:42:18] <palowoda> Nah I have my cash under a rock lately.
[23:42:21] <codestr0m> should be easy enough to figure out in relative amounts
[23:42:30] <alanc> it was mentioned in the stories about the layoffs
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[23:42:54] <vmlemon_> jbit: What about PETS (People for the Ethical Treatment of Servers), won't they flip if they find out how those poor servers are kept? ;)
[23:43:00] <r0bbk1dd> This puts me in mind of the Mug root beer "Love Train" commercial. http://www.retrojunk.com/details_commercial/2512/
[23:43:38] <r0bbk1dd> Or if you prefer Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTL6LjjSzvQ
[23:43:43] <jbit> the server i maintain at work is free range, it lives by my desk, and is always connected to a real display and real keyboard ;P
[23:44:16] <r0bbk1dd> Indeed. Headless servers ..tsk.. decapitation is so mean.
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[23:45:02] <alanc> depending who you talk to, the explanation is either the stock markets are so screwed up that most stock prices are meaningless right now, or that the market thinks the obligations you get with Sun (our support contracts, leases, etc.) drag down the value of buying the whole company
[23:45:17] <codestr0m> lol..
[23:45:43] <r0bbk1dd> Ouch. Sun's trading at US$3.27, market cap of US$2.42B
[23:45:56] <vmlemon_> jbit: Yours are free to roam in the Sun? ;)
[23:46:04] <palowoda> At least we have cheap gas now.
[23:46:20] <palowoda> No where to go though.
[23:46:30] <alanc> just got mail on the Sun bloggers alias that blogs.sun.com is down and they've got the network people working on it
[23:46:39] <codestr0m> alanc: internally are you guys worried about a corporate takeover or anything?
[23:46:49] <timeless> alanc: sounds good
[23:46:50] <alanc> I'm not
[23:47:08] <jbit> vmlemon_: actually my server runs windows ;(
[23:47:20] <timeless> alanc: do you deal w/ the install project?
[23:47:35] <jbit> i've been evaluating moving to opensolaris though (its a build server, amungst other things)
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[23:48:00] <alanc> not directly - deal with them on X packaging issues and help them with running X to display the install gui
[23:48:01] <vmlemon_> But... They don't have Doors on Windows ;)
[23:48:31] <vmlemon_> or ZFS or DTrace
[23:49:41] <timeless> alanc: and you don't deal w/ sfw?
[23:50:20] <alanc> same thing - not directly, but occasionally help when they have X issues
[23:50:27] <jbit> the server has a nice 3x300gb 15krpm sas raid5 though ;P
[23:50:41] <jbit> zfs would probably be nice on that
[23:50:45] <timeless> i presume you deal w/ onnv even less?
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[23:51:01] <alanc> I did a putback to onnv a couple months ago
[23:51:12] <alanc> added vnc to /etc/services
[23:51:34] <alanc> my office is surrounded my on people, so I talk to lots of them
[23:52:29] <timeless> ok
[23:53:02] <palowoda> Hmm suprised, I thought sun.com and opensolaris where on different networks.
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[23:53:24] <timeless> don't suppose you know anything about solaris?
[23:53:25] <timeless> err
[23:53:27] <timeless> polaris
[23:53:30] <timeless> polaris.hg/     polaris-imp.hg/ polaris.svn/
[23:53:39] <timeless> trying to figure out which of the .svn or .hg is more interesting
[23:54:04] <alanc> it was the PowerPC project - I think of the regular IRC'ers, dclarke knows most about it
[23:54:16] <timeless> ok, so mostly retired
[23:54:17] <alanc> not sure if it's even still alive
[23:54:55] <palowoda> I thought Sun labs wanted to take over the polaris project?
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[23:57:01] <codestr0m> anyone think it would be possible or know any contacts about how to get the IA64 work that was done before dumped in a gate or made public?
[23:57:55] <palowoda> Why?
[23:58:08] <alanc> I thought all the people at SunLabs who worked on polaris were now gone
[23:58:23] <codestr0m> because there's a very very small group of IA64 people who have too much time on their hands :P
[23:58:30] <palowoda> alanc: You might be right.
[23:58:37] * timeless tries to figure out how to copy files from a branch
[23:59:36] <codestr0m> timeless: branch? hg partial checkout or subtree checkout you mean?
[23:59:45] <codestr0m> or you mean one of the other gates?





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