November 15, 2008 
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November 15, 2008 [00:00:18] <Triskelios> nachox: hey, I still have a core saved from that from a few months ago [00:00:34] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [00:00:42] <nachox> Triskelios, how do you trigger that? [00:01:33] <houst0n-> reflect: Ok in all seriousness - I don't have some sort of personal vendetta against the linux world - they're responsible for a great deal of software that I use on a daily basis. I don't hate gnu coreutils, nor do I not see the requirements for it. All of my previous comments (or most of) have been in jest. So please just drop it - you're making my dog upset. [00:01:49] <Triskelios> nachox: dladm_set_linkprop recurses [00:01:52] <houst0n-> And you won't like him when he's upset .. [00:01:57] <Triskelios> nachox: without bound... [00:02:06] <nachox> ouch [00:02:59] <vmlemon_> e^ipi: But colours are critical security feature! ;) [00:03:00] <reflect> houst0n-: that's cool.. as long as I know you're just joking, I'm all for it when everyone is in on it [00:03:35] <vmlemon_> *are a [00:04:07] <houst0n-> vmlemon_: Exactly! How are you supposed to know if something is suid if it's not red?! [00:04:20] <e^ipi> there's NO OTHER WAY [00:04:21] <e^ipi> at all [00:04:39] <moazamraja> anyone familiar with load averages and Sun T5xxx level machines? [00:04:45] <e^ipi> anyone who says otherwise is a mean unix beard [00:04:46] <Triskelios> personally I like colours. a lot. human visual systems are designed to deal with those, not text =P [00:04:56] <houst0n-> e^ipi: And they wear sandals, use emacs [00:05:10] <nachox> if only the standard color scheme wasnt so braindead [00:05:33] <moazamraja> I have a T5410, 128 threads....at what point should my monitoring software worry about the load average reported by something like 'uptime' [00:05:40] <vmlemon_> If a socket's orange, it's unsafe, if a file's green it's full of pixie dust, and if a directory's pink or purple, it's full of love and unicorn droppings ;) [00:05:50] <nachox> how are you supposed to read the directory names if you use a blue on black terminal? [00:06:36] <_Auralis> moazamraja: how high is your usual load? [00:06:37] <vmlemon_> Change the colours of the directory names? [00:07:36] <sommerfeld> moazamraja: from the point of view of load-average computation, it's a 128-cpu system. [00:07:48] <Triskelios> moazamraja: subtract 128 from it and it should still be a small number... [00:07:48] <e^ipi> for funsies, try colouring things based on ACL's [00:08:06] <sommerfeld> I'd say "divide by 128" rather than "subtract" [00:08:10] <reflect> moazamraja: that's tough to say.. it depends on your general workload.. now, if you have a usual workload of just about nothing, I tend to use 1.5 x the amount of cores.. I won't send out an alarm before then [00:08:25] <e^ipi> assuming gnu ls could understand acl's [00:08:28] *** webar7 has quit IRC [00:08:58] <e^ipi> which is again, assuming that the gnu coreutils guys would take patches that are OS specific when the OS isn't linux [00:09:39] <Triskelios> sommerfeld: but it's nice to know exactly how many processes were runnable... with a large number like 128 it kinda gets flattened [00:09:52] <vmlemon_> Weren't they taking patches from Apple of all companies, not so long ago? [00:10:14] <nachox> apple ships the gnu coreutils? [00:10:21] <vmlemon_> Even though somewhat ironically, they called for a boycott of them, years ago [00:10:23] <e^ipi> no, they've got the BSD ones [00:10:27] <vmlemon_> They ship a lot of GNU stuff [00:10:32] <Triskelios> e^ipi: but they have colours! [00:10:36] <vmlemon_> Well, at least GCC and some other bits [00:10:47] <CosmicDJ> Triskelios: freebsd also has a color-ls [00:11:04] <reflect> vmlemon_: very few OSes WON'T use gcc today :) [00:11:11] <Triskelios> CosmicDJ: ah, okay [00:11:16] <vmlemon_> Very true, reflect [00:11:32] *** mega has quit IRC [00:11:43] <vmlemon_> Not sure if Microsoft are the only ones who aren't using it to build their core products [00:11:53] <vmlemon_> There are probably others not using it [00:12:04] <Asako> anybody mess with xvm? [00:12:10] <e^ipi> yeah, works great [00:12:22] <Asako> how do I make virt-install use an iscsi disk? [00:12:33] <e^ipi> nfi, i don't use iscsi [00:12:38] <Asako> I tried -f which didn't work [00:13:32] <Triskelios> strange, -f works for zvols [00:13:38] <nachox> gcc might not be the best compiler there is, but it is everywhere [00:14:05] <Asako> ERROR: Unable to create virtual disk: "/dev/dsk/c4t600144F0491E03580000E04C7788F100d0" [00:14:12] <Asako> well, it already exists [00:14:49] *** pumpkin has quit IRC [00:15:11] <Triskelios> maybe some ioctl it uses to get the size fails [00:15:44] <Asako> seems like I need to create a zvol on top of that [00:16:07] <sommerfeld> Triskelios: yeah, but if you double the number of cpus, you should be able to handle roughly double the offered load. [00:16:46] <sommerfeld> so 64 virtual cpus, 96 running processes would be as loaded as 128 virtual cpus, 192 running processes (for a ratio of 1.5 processes to cpus) [00:17:42] <Triskelios> sommerfeld: I concede your point [00:17:58] <nachox> damn, tought time to work at sun, solaris engineers got a big hit? [00:18:32] <Triskelios> evidently not, as e^ipi is still here =P [00:18:39] <Asako> hope not [00:18:40] <Triskelios> (I kid) [00:19:29] <e^ipi> nfi [00:19:41] <CosmicDJ> I hope they don't lay off our little sunshine ;) [00:19:54] <e^ipi> the stuff in the press is about the same amount that i've heard about it [00:21:16] <Triskelios> we'll see by the end of the month... [00:21:56] <e^ipi> nobody ever really tells me anything [00:23:49] <CosmicDJ> tissue? [00:23:51] <zahna> houst0n-: have you heard anything regarding an IPS repo for blastwave? [00:24:18] <hrist> zahna: blastwave.network.com:10000 or :9000 I'm not sure [00:25:09] <zahna> hrist: oh, cool. i haven't seen that before. only the one for sunfreeware. [00:25:32] <houst0n-> zahna: It's not been updated in a while and afaik no one is actively working on it - there are many things going on inside blastwave atm and that's def. on the list ... there is a repo up [00:28:02] <nachox> e^ipi, btw, what happened with the fgap project? it was a cool feature but appears to be dead [00:28:17] <e^ipi> fgap? [00:28:23] <throwt> fpga? [00:28:35] <e^ipi> maybe fmac ? [00:28:51] <hrist> fine grained access policy ;) [00:29:06] <hrist> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/fgap/ [00:29:09] <Asako> lots of gtk warnings on virt-manager [00:29:51] <Asako> any way, guess I should go home [00:29:53] <e^ipi> i dunno, i had nothing to do with that [00:31:12] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [00:31:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [00:31:24] <e^ipi> heya glynn [00:31:45] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [00:31:46] <Gman> hi john [00:32:28] <nachox> no, fgap from Fine Grained Access Policy it was meant to for example only allow binding to port 80/tcp [00:32:37] <nachox> hi Gman :) [00:32:51] <Gman> nachox: hola [00:33:19] <nachox> last i knew it was meant to work using fmac and i am reading references about it in fmac's mailing lists but that's it [00:33:48] <e^ipi> comay: poke [00:33:55] <nachox> Gman, when will you be visiting us in the south of the continent? :) [00:34:17] <Gman> nachox: maybe next year - there's some talk of an opensolaris tour in that neck of the woods [00:34:37] <nachox> that would be cool [00:35:26] <nachox> last time we had dr hahn, he was good to talk to, fun too [00:36:25] <Gman> oh, cool [00:36:28] <Gman> didn't know he visited [00:36:51] <Gman> you'll get better conversation from him than me :) [00:37:29] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [00:37:32] <nachox> i wouldnt know, specially now that you're a marketing guy :) those need to talk [00:37:53] <Gman> barely anymore - i'm back in the same org as my engineering friends now :) [00:39:02] <nachox> since when? [00:39:15] *** Tobbe is now known as Tobbe|autoaway [00:40:18] <throwt> http://blogs.sun.com/darren/entry/zfs_crypto_update [00:40:24] <Gman> nachox: since this morning's announcements [00:40:25] <throwt> sounds like a lot of hacks heh [00:40:30] <nachox> because i could happily blame ian for this too, he is not here to defend himself and it'd feel good to bash him for yet another thing :P [00:40:57] <Gman> nachox: he's not to blame at all for any of this [00:41:16] <Asako> and why is virt-manager looking for images that don't exist? [00:41:30] <Gman> nachox: ian has been partly responsible for one of the critical areas of growth by sun [00:42:36] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [00:43:18] *** Glitt has quit IRC [00:45:00] *** Gman_ has joined #opensolaris [00:45:39] <CosmicDJ> Gman_: which area? [00:45:44] <CosmicDJ> (s) [00:45:51] *** Gman has quit IRC [00:46:14] <Gman_> CosmicDJ: opensolaris [00:46:34] <nachox> Gman_, and what new cool gnome feature will you hack for us now you're back writing? :) [00:46:57] <Gman_> nachox: i've been hacking some bits and pieces in desktop land for the past 2 releases [00:47:10] <Gman_> i'll still be doing product management, so not completely back to my roots, just org [00:48:01] <Asako> later folks [00:48:07] <nachox> you had anything to do with the zfs slider thing? that's damn nice [00:48:14] *** Asako has quit IRC [00:48:34] <houst0n-> nachox: Now to get it into dolphin >=) [00:50:00] <Gman_> nachox: that's erwann [00:51:06] <piwi> a bit off-topic, but has anyone here seen the three used sun ray 170 on ebay.com (65 and 70$) and can tell me the hight of the winning bid? i've forgotten to add them to my list. [00:51:34] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [00:51:44] <Doc> umm.. select "completed auctions" when you search [00:52:28] <piwi> ok, i'll try it, thank you [00:52:31] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris [00:52:48] <e^ipi> oh ffs... alanc: around? [00:53:05] *** Aria has quit IRC [00:53:08] *** defaultro has joined #opensolaris [00:54:11] <defaultro> Good evening everyone. Later,I will be retrieving the files from our blackbox 40z. I will be using opensolaris live cd to mount the slices. Since we don't have access to the box, is it safe to turn it off? And also, I don't have other options to boot other that pressing the OFF button [00:54:22] *** bubbva has quit IRC [00:55:47] <e^ipi> there's a special circle of hell reserved just for gdm devs, i swear to god [00:55:59] <e^ipi> this is ridiculous already [00:56:13] *** ericjray has quit IRC [00:56:42] <piwi> damn, all three about 100$. ok, waiting for the next one :) [00:56:49] *** clergyman has joined #opensolaris [00:57:38] <clergyman> Hi, whenever I plug in my USB disk, my entire system freezes.. When I unplug it, it goes back to normal and dmesg says "IRQ21 is being shared by drivers with different interrupt levels.\n This may result in reduced system performance" [00:57:51] <clergyman> Can this be mitigated somehow ? [00:58:04] <Doc> don't plug the USB disk in? [00:58:09] <e^ipi> heh [00:58:27] <defaultro> bump please :) [00:58:33] <clergyman> Doc: I have to.. tourettes :/ [00:58:48] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [00:58:49] <CIA-34> Victor Latushkin <Victor.Latushkin at Sun dot COM>: 6757430 want an option for zdb to disable space map loading and leak tracking [00:58:56] <defaultro> will the system shutdown normally if I press the button quick? [00:59:01] <defaultro> not the 10 second press? [00:59:05] *** clyons has quit IRC [00:59:06] *** Gman_ has quit IRC [00:59:14] <CosmicDJ> defaultro: depends... [00:59:21] <defaultro> it's a sunfire 40z [00:59:36] <defaultro> i'm just worried about the fsck i used to see in old linux days [00:59:44] <defaultro> i'm not much familiar with solaris [00:59:54] <defaultro> maybe, it better handles the file system [00:59:54] <CosmicDJ> solaris 10 ufs is logging by default... [01:00:05] <defaultro> so I won't get the fsck thingie? [01:00:18] <defaultro> what if it was solaris 9? [01:00:24] <houst0n-> defaultro: there's one way to find out ... [01:00:26] <defaultro> i will only know the version tonight [01:00:42] <defaultro> yeah, turn it off :D [01:00:46] <CosmicDJ> defaultro: not on by default [01:00:52] <defaultro> k [01:00:52] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [01:01:03] <defaultro> i just check LED physically if it's blinking a lot [01:01:10] <defaultro> i should check i mean [01:01:13] <defaultro> HDD LED [01:01:45] <defaultro> which can mean harddisk access activity [01:02:18] <defaultro> i'll keep you posted tonight. I'm heading to the colo now :) I'll let you know if I will be able to mount the ufs slices [01:02:24] <defaultro> and backup the data ;) [01:02:32] <clergyman> I thought IRQ problems were a thing of like the 1990's heh [01:03:10] <vmlemon_> Wow, a Black Box? [01:03:19] *** clyons has joined #opensolaris [01:03:52] <vmlemon_> Did you ever get to do Windows Vista "performance" testing on it? ;) [01:03:52] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [01:03:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [01:04:49] *** StayTuned has joined #opensolaris [01:05:00] <StayTuned> Hello [01:05:22] * StayTuned just ordered some Try and Buy stuff [01:06:37] <jbk> well hopefull it turns into a buy :) [01:07:25] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [01:07:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [01:09:44] <Gman> hey stevel [01:10:11] <stevel> hey gman [01:10:31] <stevel> how's the release shaping up? [01:11:56] <Gman> stevel: getting there, slowly but surely [01:12:02] <Gman> comay may have other opinions :) [01:14:35] <nachox> Gman, it'll be out the last hour of the last day of this month in gmt-6? :P [01:14:54] <Gman> nah, likely a few days before this time around, fingers crossed [01:15:02] <Gman> scheduled for 24th nov [01:15:05] <Gman> so we'll see [01:22:47] * stevel is looking forward to it [01:23:25] <Gman> stevel: songbird songbird songbird! :) [01:24:22] <e^ipi> you know, someone should really tell the guys in charge of punchin that having an IPS package that you can't get to unless you're punched in is pretty useless [01:24:33] *** AxeZ has quit IRC [01:25:21] <Gman> they have an IPS package now? sweet :) [01:26:06] <Gman> (though i agree with your previous remark) [01:26:57] <e^ipi> if i'm already on swan, i don't need to grab punchin [01:27:50] <stevel> Gman: heh, yeah - we're having some issues building 1.0 on OpenSolaris due to some Gstreamer patches, but i think we've tracked down the exact bug [01:28:01] <e^ipi> i guess it's useful if you bring your laptop to a sun office or something [01:28:07] <stevel> e^ipi: it wasn't any different than having to be on SWAN to download them from atlantic.east though... [01:28:16] <stevel> afaik, you've never been able to grab punchin packages from off-SWAN [01:28:24] <stevel> much the same way you couldn't download Sun's old Cisco VPN stuff off-SWAN either [01:28:28] <Gman> e^ipi: i'm sure it'll go onto an external repo at some stage that requires a sun id to certify against [01:28:47] <Gman> stevel: that might miss 2008.11 [01:28:53] <e^ipi> stevel: there's a website that you can punch in to without needing to be actually on swan [01:29:09] <stevel> Gman: yeah it most likely will. but at least it'll be easy to update to it afterwards :) [01:29:17] <Gman> e^ipi: there is? [01:30:54] <e^ipi> i'd be screwed if there wasn't [01:34:01] *** defaultro has quit IRC [01:34:27] *** CyberBlue has joined #opensolaris [01:34:32] *** rv- has quit IRC [01:38:14] *** piwi has quit IRC [01:47:52] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [01:51:00] *** yippi has quit IRC [01:56:08] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [01:58:47] <CIA-34> Guoli Shu<Kerry.Shu at Sun dot COM>: 6769844 Toshiba Tecra M9/M10 won't wake up from suspend if AC status changed [01:59:03] *** jay-away has quit IRC [02:02:21] *** tesuki has quit IRC [02:05:09] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [02:10:40] *** Gman has quit IRC [02:13:26] *** tCzern has joined #opensolaris [02:14:30] <tCzern> hi there, does the opensolaris boot selector include options for acpi control ? [02:19:13] *** yarihm has quit IRC [02:21:21] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [02:25:07] *** jtmuzix has joined #opensolaris [02:27:36] <CosmicDJ> tCzern: somewhat http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/grub_boot_solaris.jsp [02:30:06] <tCzern> thanks! [02:35:17] *** pjd has left #opensolaris [02:36:19] *** pjd has joined #opensolaris [02:39:56] *** communicator has joined #opensolaris [02:41:59] *** clyons has quit IRC [02:42:26] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [02:42:26] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC [02:42:34] *** clyons has joined #opensolaris [02:43:06] *** Odin- has quit IRC [02:44:20] *** clergyman has quit IRC [02:48:42] *** Teo`` has quit IRC [02:50:15] *** aveteam has joined #opensolaris [02:55:19] *** sfuentes has joined #opensolaris [02:55:39] <sfuentes> got a question [02:56:14] <sfuentes> is it true opensolaris guys are have IQs > 150 ? [02:56:38] <hile_> only the ones who don't use Indiana-based distros [02:56:50] <sfuentes> lol love it [02:57:23] <sfuentes> what about belenix? [02:57:45] <hile_> I use something supportable exclusively :) [02:57:53] <sfuentes> or is it just svn [02:58:00] <sfuentes> i see [02:58:22] <sfuentes> everytime i usually come in here i see code flying back and forth [02:58:34] <sfuentes> hardcore channel [02:59:05] <sfuentes> should be rated 0x3 [03:03:57] *** aveteam1 has joined #opensolaris [03:06:01] <sfuentes> they should have a server edition [03:06:09] <sfuentes> with no gui by default [03:06:09] <hile_> of what? [03:06:15] <sfuentes> solaris [03:06:19] <sfuentes> err opensolaris [03:06:22] <hile_> they do, it's aclled solaris [03:06:26] <hile_> or SXCE [03:06:28] <sfuentes> like ubuntu [03:06:39] * hile_ shakes head [03:06:50] <hile_> disk is cheap [03:07:05] <sfuentes> sxce is opensolaris w/o gui? [03:07:18] <hile_> install ALL+OEM, then netservices limited and disable dtlogin if you don't want it to start on boot [03:07:23] <hile_> *sigh* [03:07:51] *** crichardso has quit IRC [03:09:58] <e^ipi> sfuentes, no, SXCE is like solaris with all the new bits tacked on to it [03:11:56] <sfuentes> i see .... [03:12:28] *** niq has quit IRC [03:13:00] *** RElling1 has quit IRC [03:13:35] <sfuentes> sxce and indiana are very different, right? [03:13:59] <sfuentes> but they both come with opensolaris (base if u will) [03:14:24] <e^ipi> both are built off the same core source code, yes [03:15:12] <sfuentes> what's so especial about sxce as oppose to opensolaris core? [03:15:36] <e^ipi> much harder to integrate projects in to SXCE [03:15:45] <e^ipi> ( = higher engineering quality ) [03:15:51] <e^ipi> a lot more like Solaris [03:16:02] *** luna1 has quit IRC [03:16:15] <sfuentes> but its possible to run a opensolaris core server, right? [03:16:26] <e^ipi> what "core server" ? [03:16:34] <sfuentes> for lack of a better name [03:16:51] <StayTuned> hello [03:17:07] <StayTuned> hi e^ipi [03:17:21] <sfuentes> a server running just compiled opensolaris source [03:17:23] <e^ipi> yo [03:17:25] <StayTuned> I ordered the try and buy 24 extreme today [03:17:37] <e^ipi> sfuentes, that doesn't make any sense, you also cannot run just a linux server [03:17:42] <e^ipi> you need a whole OS [03:17:45] <StayTuned> with a J4200 [03:17:58] <e^ipi> a kernel by itself is totally useless [03:18:04] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris [03:18:13] <StayTuned> it will amaze me if they approve it [03:18:35] <sfuentes> e^ipi: my very embarrassing mistake [03:18:52] <sfuentes> ur absolutely right [03:18:55] <sfuentes> doesn't make sense [03:19:26] <Plazma> sure you can, its open source! [03:19:34] <sfuentes> so sxce qualifies as a distribution then [03:20:00] <e^ipi> yes [03:20:54] <sfuentes> so what's different about solaris and sxce? [03:21:05] <sfuentes> since they appear to be very similar [03:21:10] <Plazma> i think he said it above [03:21:25] *** echolink1833 has joined #opensolaris [03:21:39] <Plazma> [19:11] <e^ipi> sfuentes, no, SXCE is like solaris with all the new bits tacked on to it [03:21:49] <sfuentes> sxce = solaris beta? [03:22:02] <e^ipi> you can think of it that way, sure [03:23:24] <sfuentes> but doesn't sun still commercially license solaris? [03:23:38] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [03:24:31] *** stevel has quit IRC [03:24:40] <e^ipi> what's your point? [03:24:47] <e^ipi> you can buy support for solaris [03:24:48] <e^ipi> or not [03:24:50] <e^ipi> whatever [03:25:01] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris [03:25:43] <sfuentes> i wasn't sure if they "sell" solaris or if they just sell support for solaris [03:25:56] <e^ipi> just support [03:25:59] <Plazma> both are free, you just buys upport for solaris 10 if you need/want it [03:26:05] <Plazma> and the hardware if you have sun hardware [03:26:11] <e^ipi> only enterprise linux makes you pay to use open-source at all [03:26:18] <sfuentes> awww [03:26:20] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris [03:26:21] <Plazma> linux.. no joke required [03:26:32] <e^ipi> SuSE... not free to use... RHEL... not free to use [03:26:35] <e^ipi> solaris, free to use [03:26:47] <Plazma> but CentOS is and openSuSe are1111 [03:26:50] <Plazma> weee [03:27:11] <sfuentes> u guys have been very helpful [03:27:32] <sfuentes> do u guys like indiana? [03:27:36] <Plazma> that's how we roll, dawg [03:29:09] <sfuentes> i know this is how os wars get started but i'm trying to understand ... it seems to me that solaris is ideal for a storage server [03:29:26] <e^ipi> hence the storage 7000 boxes [03:30:05] <chendy> .. [03:30:13] <sfuentes> so why is there an argument to begin with? [03:30:26] *** Xang has joined #opensolaris [03:30:39] <Plazma> sfuentes, why are M&M's blue now? [03:31:00] *** mirezwer has joined #opensolaris [03:31:13] <sfuentes> Plazma: cause some ppl care more about looks than content [03:31:28] <e^ipi> hey, like linux [03:31:56] <sfuentes> Plazma: but for OSs are not like m&ms either ... m&ms in one bag are all the same except for color [03:31:58] <brendang> sfuentes: the storage 7000 series only released this week (monday); and should show people how serious Sun can be with storage [03:32:04] <Plazma> sfuentes, wrong [03:32:13] <Plazma> sfuentes, different shape, some haf nuts, some are half eaten [03:32:27] <sfuentes> Plazma: half eaten? :) [03:32:35] <Plazma> yes [03:32:55] <moazamraja> brendang: a tad late... [03:33:04] <sfuentes> i mean, the whole zfs tech ... storage, duh! right? [03:33:06] <brendang> moazamraja: why is it late? [03:33:17] <moazamraja> hard to justify spending money on Sun solutions at a time like this [03:33:28] <Plazma> sfuentes, i like zfs a lot, but i tell people to use both and see what they like.. personally i don't give a crap what a person uses [03:33:43] <moazamraja> when management will say "Wait, how do we know that company is gonna be around in 6 months?" [03:34:05] <brendang> moazamraja: hah - Sun (and Apple) have been written off numerous times. [03:34:21] <moazamraja> Apple did something about it, and changed management [03:34:43] <brendang> and Sun is doing something about it too - plenty of news out this week [03:34:45] <moazamraja> Until Sun changes all management/exec staff, there is not much faith in Sun (from the market/customers) [03:34:47] <sfuentes> Plazma: but that's assuming there's a good alternative for zfs ... i haven't heard of one [03:35:01] <sfuentes> i have faith in Sun :) [03:35:03] *** mirezwer has quit IRC [03:35:16] <sfuentes> but that may not mean much in the grand scheme of things [03:35:18] <Plazma> well AIX's LVM is great, but it's far from free [03:36:21] <sfuentes> news (subjective maybe) is that btrfs will help [03:36:35] <moazamraja> brendang: laying off 6,000 ppl? that's fine, but why is Schwartz not #1 on that list? [03:37:01] <sfuentes> e^ipi: what do u like about linux? [03:37:03] <e^ipi> sfuentes: yes, well... as jbk points out, if btrfs is anything like systemtap, i wouldn't hold my breath [03:37:12] <e^ipi> sfuentes: it runs pretty much anywhere, i'll give it that [03:37:40] <sfuentes> e^ipi: is that all u give it? :) [03:38:08] *** luna1 has joined #opensolaris [03:38:10] <sfuentes> i thank linux for my android :) [03:39:32] <e^ipi> meh, whatever, another boring closed up smartphone [03:39:37] <e^ipi> if i wanted one of those, i'd get an iphone [03:41:36] <jbk> moazamraja: with that thinking, be sure to avoid dell [03:41:42] <jbk> probably shouldn't have touched hp a few years ago [03:41:48] <jbk> or IBM in the early 90s [03:42:00] *** echolink1833 has quit IRC [03:42:17] <e^ipi> jbk: or apple between 1993 and a year ago [03:42:50] <jbk> sun has the best solutions most people haven't heard of :) [03:42:58] *** echolink1833 has joined #opensolaris [03:43:08] <thebentzone> yeah. thank anil gadre for that [03:43:18] <sfuentes> jbk: than why are some "smart" ppl not using sun :) [03:43:20] <thebentzone> worst VP of marketing in corporate hsitory [03:43:23] <jbk> problem is, they don't go to a business and say 'out solutions will save you more money than any competitor.' [03:43:26] <dustman> e^ipi: apple lost this year only what they got last year [03:43:26] <sfuentes> that's what i'm trying to understand [03:43:37] <jbk> er our [03:43:44] <dustman> and sun is loosing non-stop [03:43:49] <jbk> 'smart' people use windows too [03:44:10] <dustman> hell, why people just shit on windows? [03:44:21] <dustman> it got many really good points [03:44:47] <jbk> but many bad ones too, though they have been improveing [03:44:51] <dustman> I hate some tho and don't use it, but for many this is a good os [03:44:52] <Xang> Like all tools.Windows has it's place in certain situations. [03:45:01] <e^ipi> i've got nothing against windows, it just doesn't solve the problems i need to solve [03:45:13] <dustman> agree [03:45:45] <dustman> windows is great os for dummies and exec staff [03:47:18] *** luna1 has quit IRC [03:47:34] <Plazma> i like windows 3.11 [03:47:35] *** MEJ23 has joined #opensolaris [03:47:37] *** communicator has quit IRC [03:48:02] <sfuentes> e^ipi: seems like the problem is in defining a set of problems that a particular OS handles best [03:48:44] <sfuentes> too many ppl use a single OS for all their needs [03:49:16] <dustman> windows is a swiss knife [03:49:31] <MEJ23> vista is trash [03:49:33] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [03:50:11] <dustman> I've got the same opinion of mac os x [03:50:21] *** luna1 has joined #opensolaris [03:50:27] <e^ipi> meh, osx at least pretends to try to be unix [03:50:46] <dustman> *pretend* is a good word [03:50:48] <e^ipi> so i kinna dig it [03:51:26] <dustman> whatever [03:51:43] <dustman> this is pointless anyway [03:51:44] <sfuentes> lol [03:51:58] <sfuentes> dustman: why is it pointless? [03:52:00] <MEJ23> i just care about the no virus [03:52:11] <MEJ23> aspect of mac os vs windows [03:52:40] <e^ipi> MEJ23: boy are you in for a surprise... [03:52:44] <sfuentes> MEJ23: to me, no virus means pick an OS that is not popular thus minimizing the probability of getting infected [03:52:58] <e^ipi> like VMS [03:53:01] <e^ipi> or plan9 [03:53:03] <e^ipi> or HURD [03:53:07] <sfuentes> exactly :) [03:53:16] <sfuentes> plan9 is good [03:53:25] <sfuentes> for research [03:53:47] <MEJ23> I am still trying to run applications not command line gibberish :) [03:54:24] <sfuentes> then indiana? or ubuntu might help [03:54:56] <sfuentes> viruses in the wild for those systems are significantly less than windows [03:55:11] <sfuentes> or u can be on windows if ur backing up ur data very often [03:55:25] <sfuentes> which is always a good thing i guess [03:56:33] <dustman> for me os is not only kernel + userland but also apps you can run on it and flexibility it provides [03:56:49] <MEJ23> mac os does not have any viruses i could have dual os with windows xp professional or server 2008 to get torrents and use alot of burning software and dvd ripping and mac os for everything else [03:57:04] <e^ipi> MEJ23: the command line is actually more efficient once you've learned a little bit of it [03:57:33] <dustman> MEJ23: are you serious? have you ever read security updates descriptions? [03:57:45] <MEJ23> what about [03:57:46] <sfuentes> MEJ23: like e^ipi said, console is very powerful and from what i gather, viruses are growing for macs [03:57:54] <e^ipi> the amount of time even an experienced user spends clicking around like a moron on some GUI tool is significantly more than it takes to type out the command [03:58:03] <dustman> apple tends not to fix critical holes for months [03:58:11] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [03:58:53] <sfuentes> dustman: agree with the concept of OS [03:58:58] <dustman> plus scripts you can use [03:59:56] <MEJ23> hmmm for a smart power mac user. i doubt any viruses would take them by surprise. the people that get the viruses are those that sign up for all those free giveaways and pornsite links [03:59:56] <sfuentes> well at least windows is attempting to fix their console with powershell [04:00:27] <sfuentes> MEJ23: well i said viruses, but that applies to malware and security vuln [04:00:31] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [04:00:43] <sfuentes> and rootkits are hard to detect [04:00:56] <dustman> MEJ23: drive-by attacks aimed at mac users are known [04:01:05] <sfuentes> u can have a rootkit on ur machine right now and not even know it [04:01:11] <dustman> visit website and you're pwned [04:01:32] <sfuentes> the internet is dangerous :) [04:01:50] <sfuentes> there are blow fishes out there though :) [04:02:21] <dustman> apple can't even get their own hardware up and working together, like iMacs and iPods [04:02:47] <MEJ23> ive never had problems with viruses. even though i think macs are better i have always used windows xp professional. [04:03:01] *** fr4g has quit IRC [04:03:02] <dustman> MEJ23: you're not listening [04:03:06] <sfuentes> lol [04:03:07] <MEJ23> because i make sure i have the best protection [04:03:22] <MEJ23> zonealarm or panda [04:03:29] <dustman> careful person won't have problem even on windows [04:03:46] <MEJ23> ? [04:04:03] <dustman> and even arcane embeded system get cracked [04:04:30] <Gekz> lol [04:04:47] <MEJ23> i am not saying whether it is possible. thats what i am trying to say any careful person with adequate protection will be fine for many years [04:05:01] <dustman> ..on any system [04:05:02] <Gekz> MEJ23: chinese [04:05:04] <Gekz> you are [04:05:19] <sfuentes> so are zones like virtualization built-in the OS? [04:05:30] <MEJ23> no trini [04:05:56] <MEJ23> man i came here to ask a question. [04:06:02] <MEJ23> got off track [04:06:33] <moazamraja> medar: u r trini? [04:06:35] <moazamraja> ack [04:06:39] <moazamraja> MEJ23: u r trini? [04:07:04] <MEJ23> yes go soca warriors. [04:07:20] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris [04:07:55] <Gekz> wtf is trini [04:08:05] <sfuentes> Gekz: i was thinking the same thing [04:08:31] <MEJ23> trinidad [04:08:34] <Gekz> trinidad [04:08:40] <Gekz> and barbados?? [04:08:41] <Gekz> lol [04:08:50] <MEJ23> trinidad and tobago [04:09:31] *** dmick has joined #opensolaris [04:12:12] <MEJ23> i am running opensolaris 2008.05 snv_86_rc3 x86 hostname:cb-0 i am trying to see what is the default username and password [04:12:32] <MEJ23> ive never used it before. [04:13:14] <dustman> both are 'jack' [04:13:42] *** wesw has quit IRC [04:13:45] <sfuentes> about two weeks left ... [04:13:56] <sfuentes> till the end of Nov :) [04:14:01] <sfuentes> the 11th month [04:14:09] <sfuentes> of 2008 [04:14:22] <sfuentes> no pressure [04:14:59] <moazamraja> no pressure? [04:15:01] <MEJ23> dustman that didnt work [04:15:15] <moazamraja> they have a release to push out, and a layoff to avoid. THAT's pressure. [04:15:49] <sfuentes> moazamraja: ok maybe a bit of pressure, huh :) [04:15:50] *** bits45 has joined #opensolaris [04:16:04] <sfuentes> nothing an elite sun engineer can't handle [04:16:16] <dustman> MEJ23: may be changed if it's not livecd [04:16:18] <MEJ23> you guys work for sun [04:16:24] *** gdamore has quit IRC [04:16:34] <moazamraja> medar: not everyone, some do [04:16:39] <MEJ23> ok i will google [04:16:43] <dustman> during installation you set up username and passwd [04:17:05] <MEJ23> actually it is running from the motherboard i think [04:17:15] <dmick> ! that would be a good trick [04:17:25] <MEJ23> i have no os and i put in a fresh hard drive [04:17:48] <MEJ23> it is giving me the option of selecting either opensolaris or windows [04:17:52] <MEJ23> windows doesnt work [04:18:08] *** T_B has joined #opensolaris [04:18:16] <dmick> "I have no OS" and "selecting opensolaris or windows" doesn't match [04:18:19] <dustman> MEJ23: ask person who installed osol [04:19:11] <MEJ23> what are you talking about dmick [04:19:27] <MEJ23> there is no longer any operating system [04:19:31] <dmick> the things you were saying [04:19:47] <dmick> oh, I know better than to come in here. never mind. [04:19:49] *** dmick has left #opensolaris [04:20:13] <MEJ23> i just have the factory installed ones that came with the motherboard [04:20:31] <tCzern> Hi, could I run solaris off a Flashdrive? [04:21:02] <tCzern> I mean, could I install from the Live CD to a USB drive? [04:21:56] <dustman> tCzern: you can but it may be non-trivial to set up bios and grub [04:22:23] <tCzern> I just found one with 64GB [04:23:24] <dustman> MEJ23: if you don't have password and it's not provided to you, use fresh 2008.11-RC and install [04:24:09] *** T_B_ has quit IRC [04:25:23] <MEJ23> i dont have any of the motherboard equipment it came with [04:25:35] <e^ipi> MEJ23: motherboards don't typically come with harddrives [04:25:48] <dustman> MEJ23: usually os installed to harddrive [04:25:49] <MEJ23> im talking about disc [04:25:58] <MEJ23> i know. [04:26:05] <MEJ23> here is what happened [04:26:22] <MEJ23> my main disc stopped working with os on it [04:26:33] <MEJ23> *hard drive* [04:27:46] <dustman> download opensolaris 2008.11-RC and boot from livecd [04:28:04] <dustman> mount secondary drives if possible [04:28:34] <MEJ23> i got a new hard drive and i have an windows xp operating disc. but i need to set up hard drive before i can install os. [04:28:36] <dustman> with zfs data should be intact [04:29:17] <dustman> MEJ23: what do you want exactly? [04:29:17] <MEJ23> so right now i booted from the hard drive disc [04:29:22] <e^ipi> dustman: not entirely true [04:29:41] <e^ipi> with no replication, the best it can do is tell you that the data's corrupt [04:30:32] <dustman> well, I meant 'secondary drives contain your data' [04:31:04] * dustman got two for obvious reasons [04:33:51] *** Xang has quit IRC [04:34:28] <bits45> tCzern: I've had good success loading OpenSol. 2008.05 onto thumb thick (memory stick). Though I think there's a minor bug with Grub on thumb sticks using 2008.11 101a. Two of us here have tried, but as of yet have not found the page that will show us how to correct it. I'm sure it's something small to correct. [04:35:02] <tCzern> k, thanks! [04:35:11] *** tCzern has quit IRC [04:35:52] <MEJ23> is there anyway to surpass the password screen using the grub cmd line [04:42:24] *** sfuentes has quit IRC [04:50:40] <dustman> good night [04:50:45] *** dustman has quit IRC [04:53:44] <MEJ23> # /sbin/installgrub -m /boot/grub/stage1 /boot/grub/stage2 /dev/rdsk/cXdYs0 [04:54:02] <MEJ23> # /sbin/installgrub -m/boot/grub/stage1/boot/grub/stage2/dev/rdsk/cXdYs0 [04:54:24] <MEJ23> should that be all bunched together no spaces? 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Anyone got a minute? [05:24:18] <CardFire> [myuser]@[mybox]:~/Desktop# install SFEtransmission-1.21-sol11-i386.pkg /export/home/[myuser]/Transmission/ [05:24:33] *** bits45 has quit IRC [05:25:55] <CardFire> *cough* [05:25:58] <CardFire> *looks around* [05:26:32] *** pumpkin_ has joined #opensolaris [05:28:22] <abisen> How does the CDDL license works... so hypothetically if somebody buys out Sun and change the license for subsequent release of Solaris / MySql can the open source community fork the code base ? [05:28:38] <abisen> pkdadd [05:28:44] <abisen> CardFire: use pkgadd [05:28:59] <CardFire> thanks [05:29:17] <Gekz> abisen: is there a bailout clause in the license? [05:29:55] <abisen> Gekz: i don't know much about CDDL that's why i ask ? [05:30:18] <Gekz> then read the license [05:30:23] <Gekz> it's basically a modified MPL [05:31:29] <e^ipi> abisen: yes, freedom to fork is the fundamental cornerstone of open-source [05:31:43] <e^ipi> if you could convince someone to do it now you could fork opensolaris [05:32:31] <Gekz> if nevada gets cancelled, that'll probably happen [05:32:34] <abisen> e^ipi: that would be the worst thing that would happen to opensolaris (if it ever did) as Sun has done a remarkable job in creating it and developing it for last 2+ decades.. [05:32:46] <abisen> Gekz: that's the problem with those legal doc's they are not written for common people, I assume "modified MPL" means that whatever has been release so far cannot be taken away.. [05:32:53] <e^ipi> abisen: correct. [05:32:55] <abisen> e^ipi: thanks [05:33:01] <e^ipi> you can't un-opensource something [05:33:18] <e^ipi> you can do further development as closed, but what has been said cannot be unsaid [05:33:18] <Gekz> but if you own the copyright you can send takedown notices [05:33:29] <Gekz> so people cant use the code [05:33:29] <Gekz> :P [05:33:49] <e^ipi> Gekz: as long as you're in compliance with the license, that's not true [05:38:10] *** Gman has quit IRC [05:38:27] <Gekz> no, I mean for your original packages [05:38:36] <Gekz> with the code in it [05:38:36] <Gekz> not modified forms [05:38:36] <Gekz> where the ownership is yours in full [05:42:05] *** jgracin has quit IRC [05:43:51] *** rtor has joined #opensolaris [05:52:52] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [05:54:30] <Doc> haha.. "Maybe I'm an idiot, but I have no idea what anyone is talking about." - RMS [05:55:40] <Gekz> lol. [05:57:05] <e^ipi> has that guy held down a job since his 20's? [05:57:14] <e^ipi> or is he still mooching off speaking appearances ? [05:58:02] <Doc> his 20s, or the 20s ? [05:58:10] <e^ipi> either [05:58:12] *** master_of_master has quit IRC [05:58:31] <jbk> or a shower? [05:58:33] * jbk runs [05:59:44] <Gekz> e^ipi: doesnt he have a 'smart guy' pension? [06:00:11] *** jtmuzix has left #opensolaris [06:02:13] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [06:08:00] *** chendy has quit IRC [06:08:37] <e^ipi> jbk: he's afraid of water [06:08:40] <e^ipi> so, no... [06:11:34] <e^ipi> huh, as it turns out, no he hasn't ever held down a real job [06:15:17] *** jamesd has quit IRC [06:20:22] <TrN> rms is an interesting person. [06:20:28] <TrN> I'm starding to respect him somewhat more. [06:20:37] <TrN> However, he is essentially transient and has no job. [06:20:50] <TrN> Except extending emacs and gdb and such. :b [06:24:23] <Gekz> starding [06:25:13] *** zegenvs has joined #opensolaris [06:26:40] <e^ipi> TrN: he is quite consistent with his raving lunacy [06:26:52] <e^ipi> which i guess garners one some respect [06:28:07] <Gekz> his brain says Free software > Commerical software [06:28:11] <Gekz> most of the time this is not true [06:28:18] <Gekz> because it lacks features and usability [06:28:24] <Gekz> but the exceptions are great :) [06:33:09] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris [06:33:16] *** proberts has quit IRC [06:36:27] *** evocallaghan has quit IRC [06:39:11] *** Gekz_ has joined #OpenSolaris [06:39:26] *** abisen has quit IRC [06:40:05] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris [06:40:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [06:40:12] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris [06:40:23] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [06:40:36] <nrubsig> Anyone awake who can approve a posting to opensolaris-announce@, please ? [06:41:52] *** nrubsig has quit IRC [06:42:53] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris [06:42:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [06:43:11] <nrubsig> umpf... mozilla crash no. 9189792181992819737 [06:43:27] <nrubsig> Anyone awake who can approve a posting to opensolaris-announce@ , please ? [06:46:00] <e^ipi> nyet komrade [06:46:13] <nrubsig> e^ipi: ?! [06:46:25] <e^ipi> i think most of 'em have gone home [06:46:41] <e^ipi> i would approve this message if i had access, but i don't [06:47:07] * nrubsig looks at theregister.co.uk and worries about e^ipi's definition of "home" ... ;-( [06:47:26] <e^ipi> i don't think anyone knows yet [06:47:57] <e^ipi> i don't, but that may be a function of my job title... that is, "oh yeah, and we have an intern, forgot about that" [06:48:28] <e^ipi> my mother called because she heard a story on the news, i told her roughly the same thing [06:53:08] <nrubsig> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/ksh93-integration/downloads/2008-11-14/ released. Have fun! :-) [06:53:41] * nrubsig now expects hordes of shircbot#s to appear in #opensolaris and #onnv [06:56:59] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [06:58:45] <CIA-34> David Marker <David.Marker at sun dot com>: backout 6752810: causes data corruption on zfs root pool [06:59:50] *** Gekz has quit IRC [07:03:23] *** swankier has quit IRC [07:03:56] *** swankier has joined #opensolaris [07:05:22] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [07:07:16] *** pumpkin_ is now known as pumpkin [07:07:22] *** Gekz_ is now known as Gekz [07:08:24] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [07:08:36] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [07:08:59] <rootard> /clear/clear [07:11:58] *** echolink1833 has quit IRC [07:14:38] *** FrostCS has quit IRC [07:15:46] *** echolink1833 has joined #opensolaris [07:19:40] *** FrostCS has joined #opensolaris [07:20:05] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [07:20:41] *** erast has joined #opensolaris [07:24:10] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [07:24:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [07:33:16] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [07:40:13] *** The-spiki has quit IRC [07:40:39] *** GNUWorld has joined #opensolaris [07:41:03] *** tCzern has quit IRC [07:42:17] <GNUWorld> OpenSolaris fails to complete the initial boot, it will reside at "Sun 5.11", I have attempted installation on several CD's and changed CD Readers with no sucess. Has anybody had this issue and if so how did you get around it? [07:50:11] *** e^ipi changes topic to "SXCE 102, ON 102, IPS 101a || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca" [07:50:15] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [07:50:26] <e^ipi> GNUWorld: boot with -v [07:50:37] <e^ipi> might shed a bit more light on where it's stalling [07:51:09] *** srini has joined #openSolaris [07:52:00] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris [07:56:14] *** jone has joined #opensolaris [07:57:21] *** jone has quit IRC [08:02:22] *** zegenvs has quit IRC [08:05:39] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC [08:07:29] <GNUWorld> Great thanks, I will take a look at that, thanks. [08:09:45] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris [08:13:31] *** comay has quit IRC [08:14:12] <srini> Hi All [08:14:13] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [08:14:40] *** nrubsig has quit IRC [08:27:26] *** Tobbe|autoaway is now known as Tobbe [08:29:16] *** CyberBlue has quit IRC [08:33:06] *** Tobbe is now known as Tobbe|autoaway [08:42:59] *** srini has quit IRC [08:52:15] *** blistov2 has joined #opensolaris [08:52:40] <blistov2> How do I determine the device names of my disks? [08:52:44] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC [08:53:19] <blistov2> OS running under vmware server. lsi adaptor type. [08:53:56] <blistov2> cannot for the life of me, see anything in dmesg that says anything about what discs were detected, and /dev is full of static device nodes that don't represent real devices...? [09:01:05] <LeftyBSD> blistov2: "format < /dev/null" [09:02:26] <blistov2> Ah yes. The humor is compounded by the trailing BSD. [09:02:51] <LeftyBSD> I'm serious [09:02:57] <LeftyBSD> try man format [09:02:57] *** CrippsFX has joined #opensolaris [09:03:22] <LeftyBSD> it's an interactive command, so the < /dev/null passes it blank input [09:03:27] <blistov2> oh wtf. [09:03:57] <LeftyBSD> you can try it without the < /dev/null, but it'll ask you for a disk number [09:04:00] <blistov2> thats the scariest difference in communication between unices i've ever seen. [09:04:14] <LeftyBSD> you can ctrl-C it to get out without making changes though [09:04:16] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris [09:04:22] <LeftyBSD> I know, scared the hell outta me the first time I tried it :) [09:04:33] <Gekz> lolwhut [09:05:00] *** zarqman has quit IRC [09:05:04] <CrippsFX> what's the difference between the os200811.iso and the os200811-global.iso? additionally, after running gunzip on the os200811.usb.gz file, what am I supposed to do with it? [09:05:47] <blistov2> LeftyBSD: format only seems to show me currently used discs/partitions. [09:05:56] <blistov2> i need to know what OTHER discs are available. [09:06:07] <blistov2> I'm lying. [09:06:29] <blistov2> But zpool reports that ALL 7 scsi discs are in use by rpool, .... [09:06:38] <blistov2> does OS automatically attach discs? [09:07:14] <LeftyBSD> should only be one disk in rpool by default [09:08:23] <blistov2> yea, gotcha. [09:08:36] <blistov2> well then. now i just master zfs, and i'm off! [09:08:38] <blistov2> woo! [09:08:56] <blistov2> the video's made it look much easier to configure. [09:09:50] <LeftyBSD> it really shouldn't be difficult [09:10:10] <LeftyBSD> I've used a good number of disk/FS/volume managers, and I like zfs the best [09:10:14] <blistov2> I'm in the middle of debating reading some documentation or not. [09:10:14] <LeftyBSD> simple, solid, and slick [09:10:26] <LeftyBSD> now if only it were *stable*... :) [09:10:27] <blistov2> I"m duly impressed by its capabilities. [09:11:01] <blistov2> I've been bitching about a lot of things zfs solves, for many years. I hope to replace our SANs in the next 2 years with zfs... if possible. [09:11:45] *** blistov1 has joined #opensolaris [09:12:49] <LeftyBSD> the only thing I miss is replication [09:12:58] <LeftyBSD> zfs send/recv just isn't all that useful [09:13:10] <pumpkin> it isn't? [09:13:28] <blistov1> i've no idea. [09:13:30] <blistov1> :) [09:13:53] <CrippsFX> so ... what am I supposed to do with the os200811-global.usb file? [09:14:27] <LeftyBSD> not if you're doing filesystem-level replication [09:14:50] <LeftyBSD> and AVR or AVS or whatever it's called this week just scares me on 48 1TB disks [09:14:51] <pumpkin> oh I see [09:15:05] <LeftyBSD> and rsync on a >10TB dataset takes for-fucking-ever [09:15:42] *** pumpkin has quit IRC [09:16:45] <LeftyBSD> CrippsFX: never heard of it... dd it to a USB key and see if it boots? [09:17:01] <LeftyBSD> the -global iso has more languages and is more heavily compressed, so takes a lot longer to install [09:17:54] <CrippsFX> LeftyBSD, it's available on genunix for download ... I tripped across this page: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=82193&tstart=0 and thinking that maybe this isn't the file I want (I have an external hard drive from which I want to install). [09:18:05] <CrippsFX> thanks for the bits though :) [09:18:59] <LeftyBSD> http://blogs.sun.com/clayb/entry/creating_opensolaris_usb_sticks_is [09:19:03] <LeftyBSD> is what I see [09:19:46] <CrippsFX> yep ... so, unfortunately it looks like I'd have to be using solaris to put the image onto my usb device. [09:20:34] *** RavenSlay3r has left #opensolaris [09:20:56] <CrippsFX> oh well. I need to go pick up more CD-Rs anyways. [09:21:11] <LeftyBSD> it is much easier to install via CD, I'd have to say [09:21:26] <LeftyBSD> though I might give the USB stick a try, I bet it'd be faster to install [09:22:27] <CrippsFX> probably, if I had a stick kicking around I'd probably try it, but I don't want to hose my external hdd. [09:23:11] *** Cripps has quit IRC [09:23:20] *** CrippsFX is now known as Cripps [09:23:30] *** CrippsFX has joined #opensolaris [09:23:50] *** CrippsFX has quit IRC [09:24:10] *** CrippsFX has joined #opensolaris [09:24:18] <Cripps> sonofabitch. [09:24:48] *** crispi has joined #opensolaris [09:24:54] <Cripps> I really should remember to log off of irc when I leave work. [09:25:38] <Doc> why? [09:26:01] <Cripps> because having an extra me kicking around just bothers me. [09:26:08] <Doc> scott 36721 0.0 0.1 2604 1200 p2 S+ 23Sep08 1:12.17 irc Doc irc.fre [09:26:32] <Doc> only about 7 weeks... nowhere near a record [09:27:38] <Cripps> alright ... it's 3:30 a.m. ... bedtime. [09:27:42] <Cripps> g'night folks. 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[10:52:04] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [10:53:18] <rewolf-> emacs+auctex? [10:53:19] <e^ipi> vim ? [10:57:30] <e^ipi> ( come now, you have to have expected those responses ) [10:58:08] <TT> hehe [10:58:49] <TT> auctex isnt in repository ? or iam blind? [11:00:38] <e^ipi> suncc is [11:02:11] <rewolf-> hm, i usually install emacs packages by hand (just cp from server), never looked for it in the repo [11:02:22] <rewolf-> but i guess auctex is not there. [11:03:11] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris [11:03:39] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris [11:05:10] <kimc> lools like COMSTAR has been included in snv102 [11:06:59] <kimc> now have this page with Opensolaris Administration Information: http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolarisInfo/System+Administration+Information [11:11:26] <swankier> what's the difference between comstar and what was in opensolaris previously? [11:14:50] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [11:20:23] <swankier> I use an iscsi setup already [11:21:41] *** luna1 has quit IRC [11:21:43] <kimc> as i understand it the iscsi in COMSTAR is handled in the kernel [11:22:57] <kimc> i had comstar running until about a week ago when i updated the machine to the latest opensolaris build and found the pkg with the comstar bits had been removed [11:22:58] <swankier> so what does comstar do? [11:23:13] <swankier> is it for fibre channel, or something? [11:23:23] <swankier> does it replace iscsitgtd? [11:23:35] <kimc> it has provisions for fibre channel and iscsi [11:24:09] <kimc> i dont have a feel for how it fits in with iscsitgtd.. [11:26:10] <kimc> a week ago on the page where the pkg download link was it mentioned that the pkg was removed due to the integration of comstar with b103 [11:27:07] <kimc> maybe that was a typo.. now on the COMSTAR page it says: COMSTAR is integrated into the latest Solaris Express Community Edition (SXE). [11:27:31] <swankier> all this change is really exciting, but it's awfully hard to find out what's going on. [11:27:46] <swankier> there's a lot of what explained on opensolaris.com... but very little why [11:27:58] <kimc> that would be snv102 which was just announced at ~0100 EST this morning [11:28:08] <kimc> downloading now :) [11:28:51] <swankier> erm... org [11:29:06] <kimc> there are probably some regulars on this channel who could explain the why [11:29:21] <swankier> I would imagine [11:29:25] <swankier> I'm upgrading right now myself [11:29:26] <swankier> in a vm [11:29:37] <swankier> little on the slow side [11:29:37] <swankier> :P [11:29:42] <kimc> i expect iscsi via COMSTAR is 'better' than the original iscsitgtd [11:29:55] <swankier> well [11:29:57] <swankier> why? [11:30:01] <kimc> upgrading to b102? [11:30:01] <swankier> I mean, don't get me wrong [11:30:07] <swankier> I could list all sorts of issues with it [11:30:12] <swankier> that I ran into while setting it up [11:30:23] <swankier> like the fact that you can't assign it to listen on an ip address [11:30:26] <kimc> hmm.. sorry to hear that [11:30:51] <swankier> and must setup up target port group tags [11:30:58] <kimc> did not know you couldn't specify the IP address [11:31:12] <swankier> yeah, ever since they changed the configuration from xml to smf [11:31:19] <swankier> I guess someone forgot to implement it? [11:31:21] *** airjump has quit IRC [11:31:38] <kimc> maybe comstar can be setup for that [11:31:48] <swankier> there are provisions in the code, but the variable isn't processed in process_config() [11:32:06] <kimc> i read the changelog for b102 and it looks like the comstar bits are 'in there' :) [11:32:27] <swankier> well... whatever the choice that opensolaris makes, I hope it makes it sooner rather than later, so everyone can get behind it rather than 2 poorly maintained implementations [11:32:37] * swankier still wonders what comstar does [11:32:46] <kimc> oh i don't think comstar will be poorly maintained [11:32:59] <swankier> well, I'm suggesting iscsitgtd as perhaps being so [11:33:21] <kimc> its really cool.. read about it here: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/comstar/ [11:33:41] *** moses_ has joined #opensolaris [11:34:43] <moses_> hello, could someone recommend a book about solaris/opensolaris administration? [11:35:03] <swankier> moses_: I could recommend the SAG on sun.com [11:35:08] <swankier> I learned a lot from it [11:35:16] <e^ipi> see /topic for details [11:35:17] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [11:35:22] <swankier> only problem being... it doesn't spell things out too well [11:35:23] <moses_> solaris and opensolaris are quite similar, right? [11:35:25] <moses_> oh, k sry [11:35:45] <swankier> it's like, "do this for such and such version... but not for this other" [11:35:51] <swankier> it takes a lot of playing to figure out what it means [11:35:52] <moses_> I'd rather have a book made of paper :) but I check it out [11:35:57] <swankier> and solaris and opensolaris are fairly different [11:36:10] <moses_> :( [11:36:15] <swankier> otherwise, I'm unable to make recommendations, as I didn't actually purchase any books [11:36:32] <swankier> (I found, at least) [11:36:38] <moses_> ok, thanks though [11:36:45] <swankier> took me a couple days to get up to pace [11:36:55] <swankier> if you know other unix systems, it's not terribly difficult [11:37:05] <swankier> just a little warty in places still (in opensolaris, at least) [11:37:09] <moses_> fairly experienced with bsd and linux [11:37:32] <rewolf-> there is one book, Pro Opensolaris coming out soon, its kind of a Linux->Opensolaris for admins. [11:37:37] <rewolf-> but, since its not out, i have not read it ;) [11:38:01] <kimc> you could start here: http://www.opensolaris.com/learn/ [11:38:08] <swankier> well, I would be weary of it [11:38:19] <swankier> by the time it came out, development may have moved on considerably [11:38:30] <swankier> I'd suggest the best way to keep up is to play with it in a vm or something [11:38:44] <e^ipi> moses_: get yourself free printing [11:38:50] <swankier> but then again, I'm having trouble finding answers to many of my questions still, so perhaps be weary of my advice as well ;) [11:38:54] <e^ipi> attach yourself to a university somehow [11:39:02] <e^ipi> then print the SAG [11:39:03] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [11:39:23] <moses_> :) [11:39:35] <kimc> i have an old Athlon 64 machine with a couple gigs of memory used for working on Opensolaris [11:39:44] <rewolf-> (and, not to my university, because I hvae to pay for printing :( ) [11:39:49] <e^ipi> the differences between solaris and opensolaris are minimal enough that the SAG is still relevant [11:40:11] <swankier> e^ipi: sure, but it's different enough that you'll still have to google most everything [11:40:12] <e^ipi> rewolf-: i have a whole shit ton of books bound up in $2 binders on account of undergrad printing privs. [11:40:13] <kimc> attach yourself :) [11:42:05] <rewolf-> e^ipi: that was sweet days of corporate life to me, free printing :) now postgrad studies no free prints anymore :( [11:42:27] <moses_> got os2008.11 rc1 installed already, guess I'll go learning by doing [11:43:37] <rewolf-> moses_: if you're coming from linux, then also check the rosetta in the topic, quick guide to find common commands. [11:44:12] <moses_> will do, thanks [11:46:05] <e^ipi> /topic is a great thing... [11:46:14] *** crispi has quit IRC [11:46:22] <e^ipi> it's full of such useful, topical information [11:50:13] <kimc> e^ipi whats /topic ? [11:50:24] <e^ipi> type it and find out [11:51:20] <kimc> booting up and Opensolaris machine now.. [11:52:35] <e^ipi> considering you managed to find yourself here, i'm going to go with the charitable assessment that you're joshing around [11:53:15] <kimc> just joshing :) [11:55:28] <kimc> 62% into snv102 [11:55:37] <kimc> wont be long now [11:55:39] <CardFire> attempting to install a specific package in OpenSolaris, I have the file chmod'ed on my desktop and it *complains* with every attempted install. [11:55:59] <kimc> whats the complaint ? [11:56:24] <e^ipi> "it's cold in here, turn up the heat" [11:56:31] <kimc> heh [11:56:31] <e^ipi> "the tap is dripping" [11:56:35] <CardFire> pkgadd /Companion/Companion/SFEtransmission-1.21-sol11-i386.pkg [11:56:36] * e^ipi pictures my grandmother [11:56:39] <CardFire> pkgadd: ERROR: no packages were found in </var/spool/pkg> [11:56:48] <CardFire> so I mv the file to there manually [11:56:51] <CardFire> and it still doesn't work [11:56:56] <e^ipi> uh... huh [11:57:04] <kimc> use the -d argument [11:57:08] <e^ipi> so let's stat a wee bit back here [11:57:20] <e^ipi> does the command 'pkg' exist [11:57:22] <e^ipi> ? [11:57:47] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris [11:58:13] <CardFire> sorry, yes, pkg does exist [11:59:20] <e^ipi> so don't use pkgadd [11:59:27] <e^ipi> transmission is already in the repo [11:59:36] <CardFire> heh, someone here said "use pkgadd" [11:59:46] <e^ipi> yes, someone told you wrong. [11:59:53] <e^ipi> that's true, when you download packages [12:00:01] <e^ipi> but when they already exist in the repo, you needn't do that [12:00:07] <CardFire> alright, how do I admit my package into a "local repository?" [12:00:10] *** ericjray has quit IRC [12:00:23] <CardFire> let's assume that I'm retarded, for our purposes here :-P [12:00:36] <e^ipi> alright, i'm tired enough to get stabby here... just pkgadd SUNWtransmission [12:00:39] <e^ipi> that's it. [12:00:42] <e^ipi> done. [12:00:46] <e^ipi> tada, it works. [12:00:56] <TT> how can I get a list of packages which I installed with pkgadd? in the package manager they werent listed [12:04:40] <e^ipi> *pkg install [12:04:47] <e^ipi> not pkgadd ( there's that tired thing again ) [12:05:48] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [12:08:27] <CardFire> ty [12:08:42] *** CyberBlue has joined #opensolaris [12:09:19] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [12:09:22] <swankier> there's an example of something that's very simple... should be covered in SAG, isn't covered in SAG, and if it were covered in SAG, it would still be confusing and require googling. [12:09:30] <swankier> really now, package management shouldn't be hard [12:09:36] <swankier> and... wtf is up with the package naming? [12:09:46] * swankier coughs [12:09:50] <swankier> sorry, had to get that off my chest. [12:10:58] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [12:11:29] *** LeftWing has quit IRC [12:11:50] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris [12:12:54] <CardFire> i simply assumed that Transmission wouldn't be in the built-in repository. I feel like a wee bit of an ass for hassling for the better part of an afternoon [12:13:04] <e^ipi> swankier: tradition [12:13:06] <CardFire> trying to admit a package from elsewhere [12:13:23] <CardFire> seriously, what do I do to load a package that ISN'T listed in the repo? for when that day comes ... [12:13:23] <e^ipi> swankier: package naming will likely change [12:13:36] <e^ipi> CardFire: use pkgadd [12:13:37] <xRaich[o]2x> hm. I actually like the package naming [12:13:44] <e^ipi> man page describes how to do that [12:13:46] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: me too [12:13:52] <e^ipi> but *shrug* [12:14:07] <CardFire> *nods* alright, back to the man pages ... [12:14:15] <swankier> or how about this... why are there so many missing man pages [12:14:25] <e^ipi> swankier: legal reasons [12:14:36] <swankier> and why isn't a catman -w database installed by default [12:14:37] <e^ipi> they're part of SAG though [12:14:42] <swankier> legal reasons? [12:14:46] <xRaich[o]2x> swankier: they are working on it you can look them up an docs.sun.com [12:14:53] <xRaich[o]2x> on [12:15:02] <e^ipi> swankier: yes [12:15:06] * swankier shrugs [12:15:16] <swankier> I guess I had always revered Solaris and Sun [12:15:21] <swankier> yet had never really dug into it [12:15:26] *** madwizard has quit IRC [12:15:36] <swankier> and was a little disappointed by my first impressions [12:15:38] <e^ipi> right, sun doesn't own stuff so it's their fault [12:15:58] <e^ipi> bad evil sun for not violating the law for your convenience [12:16:00] <swankier> last I checked, people documented the programs they wrote [12:16:08] <swankier> or... if they're free as in GNU... they come with them [12:16:15] *** estibi has quit IRC [12:16:25] <e^ipi> think about that one for a sec, and then think about where solaris comes from [12:16:33] <swankier> Sun. [12:16:41] <swankier> and? [12:16:42] <e^ipi> wrong. [12:16:50] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris [12:17:00] <swankier> orly? [12:17:02] <e^ipi> AT&T bell labs, university of california berkeley, and a myriad of others [12:17:12] <Stric> (and Sun) [12:17:15] <e^ipi> and sun. [12:17:18] <swankier> how many years ago are you talking about? [12:17:27] <swankier> I mean, 4.4bsd was a long time ago [12:17:29] <swankier> and it's license is free [12:17:45] <swankier> hell, I remember running sunos 4 [12:17:47] <swankier> it had man pages. [12:17:56] <e^ipi> and solaris has man pages too [12:18:07] <Stric> which both are non-opensource [12:18:16] <e^ipi> everything in opensolaris, however, is re-distributable [12:18:26] <e^ipi> perhaps the man pages aren't? hmm... [12:18:38] <e^ipi> i wonder if that could be because sun licenses them, rather than owns them [12:18:57] <swankier> why the hell would you license documentation for your own software? [12:19:04] *** dvz has joined #opensolaris [12:19:09] <swankier> frankly, it doesn't make sense to me that the system is documented so poorly [12:19:17] <Stric> swankier: maybe it's based on someone elses work [12:19:22] <Stric> not 100% sun [12:19:29] <swankier> SAG is weak, it takes the better part of a day to figure out how to install packages [12:19:35] <swankier> the first time [12:19:39] <e^ipi> you're being pretty dense [12:19:44] <swankier> (ask CardFire) [12:19:55] <swankier> nwam is mostly useless [12:20:07] <swankier> nsswitch.conf doesn't use dns by default (wtf?) [12:20:12] <Stric> did for me [12:20:29] <swankier> oh, starting in which version? [12:20:38] <swankier> because up to snv100 it did nopt [12:20:40] <swankier> not [12:20:45] <Stric> 2008.05, various versions inbetween, 2008.11rc etc [12:21:01] <swankier> well, that makes me happy [12:21:05] <swankier> progress is good. [12:21:17] <Stric> progress? I haven't had that problem yet.. [12:21:25] <Stric> since the whole opensolaris thing started [12:21:36] <swankier> you've never had to edit nsswitch.conf? [12:21:42] <Stric> not to enable dns [12:21:50] <swankier> sorry, dns resolution. [12:21:53] <e^ipi> i only have when i fucked up the install and told it i didn't have a naming service [12:22:00] <Stric> yeah [12:22:09] <swankier> what does "have a naming service" mean? [12:22:13] <swankier> and where during the install is that? [12:22:14] <Stric> "What naming service do you want? NIS? DNS? " "No thanks" [12:22:22] <swankier> really? [12:22:23] <e^ipi> ldap's in there too [12:22:28] <Stric> swankier: it's in SXCE and Solaris installs, not in OpenSolaris 2008.xx installer [12:22:32] *** kohju has quit IRC [12:22:36] <swankier> I just installed it for the 20th time and didn't see that [12:22:38] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris [12:22:45] <swankier> ahh. [12:22:47] <e^ipi> on SXCE, or on 2008.foo [12:22:50] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [12:22:52] <e^ipi> because 2008.foo uses NWAM [12:22:59] *** jamesd has quit IRC [12:23:06] <Stric> and if you use DHCP and the DHCP server provides DNS, then all is well [12:23:09] <swankier> terrible default, that nwam. [12:23:18] <e^ipi> patches welcome [12:23:20] <Stric> if you have a fucked up DHCP that gives out an IP but not DNS info, then... [12:24:08] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [12:24:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [12:24:21] <swankier> Stric: my servers don't tend to use Solaris. [12:24:24] <swankier> oops. DHCP. [12:24:32] <swankier> wow... it must be 3am. [12:24:34] <swankier> ;) [12:24:45] * Stric looks at the timestamps.. nope.. 12:26 [12:24:58] <swankier> not in my time zone :) [12:25:11] <wewek> hi guys, can you help me, please? I don't know how to recreate pkgmap for SVR4 package. What I need to do: I need to publish one SVR4 package to repository, but I changed one file in this package and now I can't publish it because pkgmap/checksum don't match. [12:25:16] <wewek> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1256862 [12:25:29] <swankier> e^ipi: and that's another thing... patches... I can't even write a bloody bug report. [12:25:30] <Stric> Do remember that the OpenSolaris 2008.xx release is geared towards a desktop thingie.. [12:25:32] <wewek> maybe the best way is to convert SVR4 package into IPS, but I am not familiar with this [12:25:38] <swankier> e^ipi: or search bug reports. [12:25:50] <e^ipi> swankier: what, bugs.opensolaris.org not work for you? [12:25:57] <swankier> not especially well, no [12:25:58] <Stric> wewek: I believe the checksum is from sum(1) [12:26:00] <swankier> I submitted two bugs [12:26:07] <swankier> I have no idea where to find them or find the progress on them [12:26:09] <e^ipi> yeah, the cron job runs every 12 hours IIRC [12:26:11] <swankier> it just sort of... disappeared [12:26:19] <e^ipi> they're coming [12:26:22] <swankier> and I wasted a couple hours of my life trying to be helpful. [12:26:33] <Stric> swankier: what was the bug report about? [12:26:34] <e^ipi> to protect customer information, it's not a realtime database [12:26:38] <swankier> iscsitgtd [12:26:49] <e^ipi> they'll show up, you'll get an email [12:27:04] <wewek> Stric: so you mean sum can solve this problem? [12:27:10] <e^ipi> i'm not a huge fan of b.o.o but i understand that it's not just crap for the sake of being crap [12:27:17] <e^ipi> there's real reasons why it's crap [12:27:20] <swankier> in summary, I like OpenSolaris for what it is, but in my opinion a polished world class product is not what it is. [12:27:32] <swankier> if I had the choice, I would not be using it in my datacenter [12:27:40] <e^ipi> nor does it aim to be [12:27:44] <swankier> but I do not have that choice given hardware constraints that previous admins placed on me [12:27:53] <Stric> swankier: Did you read what I wrote a bit up? OS 2008.xx is geared for desktop use. not server. [12:28:04] <swankier> Stric: I read it [12:28:09] <Stric> swankier: For server use, continue to use Solaris for now [12:28:14] <e^ipi> solaris10 aims to be a polished world class server OS [12:28:15] <swankier> cant. [12:28:28] <Stric> because it doesn't support your wifi chipset in your laptop? [12:28:32] <swankier> I have 100s of TB of zpools that use a newer disk format [12:28:41] <swankier> dick. [12:28:44] <e^ipi> whatever, just use SXCE then [12:28:55] <swankier> hey man, I have legitimate beefs, don't attack me personally. [12:29:00] <e^ipi> it's more solaris-y [12:29:02] <Stric> sorry [12:29:23] <Stric> People come with reasons like that every now and then.. [12:29:46] <swankier> trust me [12:29:51] <swankier> I tried hard to get back to Solaris 10. [12:29:59] <swankier> with that much data (and in a production environment) it's not easy [12:30:05] <e^ipi> swankier: have you looked at SXCE ? [12:30:07] <Stric> So if you need something newer than regular Solaris 10 for server use, you probably want SXCE [12:30:08] <swankier> I inherited a number of x4500s running FreeBSD of all things. [12:30:11] <swankier> I've heard of it [12:30:14] <swankier> I didn't know what it was. [12:30:24] <Stric> since that's "normal Solaris", but the development versions.. Solaris 11 to be.. [12:30:36] <Stric> _with_ man pages ;) [12:30:48] <e^ipi> it's not as cutting whatever desktop as OpenSolaris, it's much more like Solaris10, but with the newer kernel bits [12:30:52] <swankier> couldn't go back to Solaris 10 because FreeBSD uses a newer disk format than Sol10... couldn't stay on FreeBSD because it was crashing (ZFS is terrible in FreeBSD) [12:30:53] <Stric> it has nothing such removed due to distribution rights [12:31:11] <wewek> Stric: well, I checked checksum for original pkgmap and pkginfo with changed and they are the same. [12:31:14] <Stric> (redistribution I might say) [12:31:37] <swankier> so why do SXCE and OpenSolaris exist? [12:31:39] <swankier> what's the difference? [12:31:49] <e^ipi> swankier: SXCE can't be redistributed [12:31:51] <swankier> why are they named so poorly as for me to not be able to know that? [12:32:00] <e^ipi> swankier: ... marketing ... [12:32:10] <Stric> Solaris Express (Community Edition) [12:32:25] <e^ipi> if you want the whole, painful story go read opensolaris-discuss from about a year and a half ago [12:32:40] <swankier> ahh.. the sun "formally known as" phenomenon I've been coming across daily. [12:32:43] <e^ipi> that was ... unpleasant [12:32:56] *** RElling1 has joined #opensolaris [12:33:10] <swankier> well... [12:33:12] <swankier> what's funny is... [12:33:16] <swankier> I'm the guy that they should be marketing to [12:33:21] <swankier> I'm the stereotypical Sun customer [12:33:23] <swankier> with budget [12:33:29] <swankier> yet all this shit is just frustrating to me. [12:33:33] <codestr0m> swankier: sorry. coming into the conversation late [12:33:43] <e^ipi> swankier: hence why the stock is at $4/share [12:33:56] <codestr0m> swankier: I know some things are a work-in-progress [12:34:05] <codestr0m> what were you trying to accomplish [12:34:23] <swankier> codestr0m: I was just sharing some of my frustrations of late [12:34:31] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [12:34:32] <e^ipi> swankier: but in either case, i think your use case sounds like exactly what SXCE is for [12:34:40] <swankier> codestr0m: nothing related to any problems that I haven't already solved [12:34:56] <swankier> codestr0m: and I was getting an education on the various "branches" (I don't know what to call them) of Solaris [12:35:03] <swankier> which is really quite good to know [12:35:03] <Stric> swankier: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ has some of the different versions, with a bit of info and download links [12:35:06] <swankier> and thank you all for that [12:35:28] <e^ipi> swankier: a bit of history, sun hired (deb)Ian murdock because they wanted to attract linux people [12:35:36] <e^ipi> the result of that was what we now know as OpenSolaris [12:35:46] <e^ipi> before that, there was SXCE [12:36:15] <e^ipi> SXCE is the only thing that can build the core OS, plus it's a lot more strict about what goes in there so it's still around [12:36:19] <swankier> now where does Nexenta come in? [12:36:23] <swankier> or belinx? [12:36:25] <swankier> or... [12:36:30] <swankier> see, I'm still lost. [12:36:33] <e^ipi> those are just various community distros [12:36:36] <Stric> some people taking the source and making their own distro [12:36:47] <Stric> not "official stuff from sun" [12:37:52] <e^ipi> you'll likely never be able to buy support on them [12:38:09] <Stric> nexentastor is commercial I think [12:38:14] <swankier> well... [12:38:16] <swankier> I hate to say it... [12:38:25] <swankier> but I've had a Sun support ticket that's been open for more than a week [12:38:31] <swankier> that I've received the first call back on today... [12:38:37] <swankier> to tell me that they'll call me on Monday. [12:38:49] <e^ipi> you should bitch and complain more [12:38:51] <swankier> so, support in my mind... support is just for liability mitigation [12:38:59] *** myosound has quit IRC [12:39:00] <swankier> "Sun told me to do it" [12:39:06] <swankier> I've never had to pull that card in my life, though. [12:39:12] * Stric has bitched loud enough to get calls from bosses high up in the food chain [12:39:32] <e^ipi> you could also just post your problem in here and hope a sun engineer picks it up [12:39:36] <e^ipi> ;) [12:39:36] *** RElling has quit IRC [12:39:39] <e^ipi> that's worked a couple times [12:39:45] <Stric> e^ipi: like find -acl ;) [12:39:52] <swankier> if you'd care to share phone numbers, or walk me through phone tag hell, go ahead [12:39:58] <swankier> I don't have much patience for it though [12:40:07] <swankier> I can tell you that I probably won't buy Sun again [12:40:30] <codestr0m> swankier: pm [12:40:33] <e^ipi> you do what you 'gotta do [12:40:55] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris [12:42:56] <Stric> swankier: http://blogs.sun.com/weber/entry/solaris_opensolaris_nevada_indiana_sxde [12:47:34] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [12:48:05] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [12:48:16] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [12:48:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o e^ipi [12:50:00] *** dvz has quit IRC [12:50:16] <swankier> oh, I have another bug I found the other day [12:50:33] <swankier> aggregation doesn't come back on line in the scenario where one cable is unplugged and then plugged back in [12:50:43] <swankier> throughput stays as the performance of a single wire [12:50:49] <swankier> s/as/at [12:51:33] <Stric> Is it a bug or a feature? [12:52:28] <swankier> that, my good sir, is definitely a bug. [12:52:52] <swankier> having to replumb an aggregate to get it up again (without any reporting of it being in such a state) is 100% bug. [12:53:13] <swankier> it may be by design, but that's a faulty design then [12:54:02] <Stric> it could be to protect from "weird behaviour" if someone unplugs one of the cables and connect it to something else [12:54:11] <Stric> then stuff would probably crap out and not work at all [12:54:25] <Stric> so because when the cable comes back again, it's in an unknown state [12:55:03] <Stric> somewhat like mirrored disks, where one goes away and comes back.. might be the same.. or not.. [12:55:44] <swankier> Stric: there is a concern about flapping [12:56:00] <swankier> Stric: in which case, most implementations wait a second or two before bringing it back up [12:56:03] <swankier> but [12:56:06] <swankier> that's a second or two [12:56:08] <swankier> not forever. [12:56:20] <swankier> without any indication that the system is in that state [12:56:29] <Stric> dladm show-aggr or so doesn't tell? [12:56:35] <swankier> nope [12:57:22] <Stric> I haven't messed around with the aggregation myself, so I can't say for sure.. just giving (in my mind) plausible reasons for why it might be the way it is.. [12:57:36] <Stric> but it sure should inform that it's not running like it used to anymore [12:57:43] *** FastJack has quit IRC [12:57:49] <Stric> so it's "documented" [13:01:42] <swankier> need polish. does not work as expected. [13:04:57] *** Tobbe has quit IRC [13:05:06] *** medar has quit IRC [13:05:14] *** Tobbe has joined #opensolaris [13:07:44] *** medar has joined #opensolaris [13:10:41] <zaihan> hi all [13:10:48] *** jgracin has quit IRC [13:10:49] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [13:10:54] <zaihan> finally i got solaris installed using SXCE [13:11:10] <zaihan> but it seems that i get the IP from a dhcp server, i can ping the dhcp server. [13:11:32] <zaihan> if i set a static public IP, i can't ping the public gateway [13:12:01] <SunTzuTech> maybe cause dhcp setup things like default router and /etc/nsswitch.conf? [13:12:39] <zaihan> i've configured /etc/defaultrouter with the public ip, and /etc/hostname.xnf0 with the IP [13:12:55] <zaihan> restarted the physical interface using svcadm [13:13:02] <zaihan> still doesn't work... [13:13:07] <houst0n-> zaihan: Does netstat -rn give you a default route? [13:13:10] <houst0n-> And is it correct? [13:14:41] <zaihan> default 203.142.18.1 UG 1 0 [13:14:43] <zaihan> yeah [13:15:28] <houst0n-> where is this? [13:15:31] <houst0n-> your gateway is external? [13:15:38] <zaihan> gateway [13:15:43] <zaihan> it's a server [13:15:53] <zaihan> @ a datacenter [13:16:04] <houst0n-> What happens when you try to ping it? [13:16:11] <houst0n-> ping -s 203.142.18.1 [13:16:32] <zaihan> no reply [13:16:43] <houst0n-> Talk to the networks guys at the datacenter [13:17:02] <SunTzuTech> what kind of interface is this? [13:17:06] <zaihan> i've configured other machines, netbsd, open, rhel all are working fine [13:17:08] <zaihan> xnf0 [13:17:19] <Stric> pastebin output of 'ifconfig -a' [13:17:21] <houst0n-> And you're sure they're on the same vlan? [13:17:26] <SunTzuTech> and you're doing NV101? [13:17:26] <zaihan> virtualized interface - bridged [13:17:29] <zaihan> yeah [13:17:42] <zaihan> NV98 [13:18:06] * houst0n- shrugs [13:18:08] <SunTzuTech> bridged interface. you running in Vbox or something? [13:18:10] <zaihan> can't get 101 from sun site tho.. [13:18:13] <zaihan> yeap [13:18:14] <houst0n-> If I was there I may be able to help [13:18:17] <zaihan> xen [13:18:41] <SunTzuTech> you can get nv101 from opensolaris.org [13:18:53] <houst0n-> 102 now =) [13:19:09] <zaihan> quite odd, if i have a dhcp server running on antoher server, the machine picks up the IP and i can ping the DHCP server. [13:19:32] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC [13:19:32] <zaihan> maybe some svcadm magic i need to do? [13:19:34] <houst0n-> Can you ping the 203 address? [13:19:39] <houst0n-> after you have a dhcp lease? [13:20:01] <SunTzuTech> oooh. 102 just popped up [13:20:14] <zaihan> nope, i can ping the 192.168.122.x address [13:20:23] <zaihan> i set the dhcp server with a private ip [13:20:53] <houst0n-> This has to be a networks issue, grab one of your network guys they'll be able to tell you in 3 seconds probably =) [13:20:55] <SunTzuTech> does ping even work inside a xen client? [13:21:23] <zaihan> hmm.. okay [13:21:29] <zaihan> ping works for localhost [13:21:32] <houst0n-> Can the bare metal solaris box ping it? [13:21:52] <zaihan> no machines can ping it tho [13:22:06] <zaihan> and the solaris machines can't ping any machine with manual configuration [13:22:18] <houst0n-> :/ [13:22:31] <houst0n-> Isn't saturday most peoples day off? [13:22:37] <houst0n-> go get a beer and leave it for monday :P [13:22:47] <zaihan> haha [13:22:48] <zaihan> alright [13:23:17] <houst0n-> Are you using solaris inside xen? [13:23:26] <houst0n-> So solaris host, with solaris inside xvm? [13:24:42] <zaihan> actually it's RHEL dom0 [13:24:49] <zaihan> and Solaris is DomU [13:25:05] <zaihan> anyway, i found out SXCE works better, i prefer the text installer than the GUI. :) [13:25:27] <houst0n-> You can't choose zfs root with the gui either afaik =) [13:25:38] <houst0n-> unless you're talking about opensolaris 2008.whatever [13:25:52] *** TT has quit IRC [13:26:03] <houst0n-> ETA 3:17:28 [13:26:08] <houst0n-> Bah crappy connection :( [13:26:28] *** Xang has joined #opensolaris [13:26:49] <zaihan> 2008.whatever is crap. [13:27:11] <houst0n-> At the moment [13:27:13] <houst0n-> Yes [13:27:24] <Stric> zaihan: Depends on what you're trying to do. [13:27:25] <houst0n-> Depends what you're doing with it though [13:27:38] <zaihan> desktop.. .2008 should be fine [13:27:38] <houst0n-> I have it setup as a desktop with kde 4.1, firefox 3, latest mplayer, transmission etc and it works very well [13:28:32] <zaihan> for a headless server, installation is messy with 2008 [13:28:34] *** TT has joined #opensolaris [13:29:12] <houst0n-> Can you install it with a serial console? [13:29:17] <houst0n-> Never tried [13:29:33] <Stric> not 2008.xx [13:29:41] <houst0n-> Yo Stric [13:29:48] <Stric> elu [13:29:53] <houst0n-> =) [13:30:41] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [13:30:51] * houst0n- yawns [13:31:07] <houst0n-> Not sure how I can be tired, I slept for like 11 hours last night [13:31:43] * houst0n- equips redbull [13:31:58] <SunTzuTech> houst0n-: where you getting kde 4.1? [13:32:51] <houst0n-> http://solaris.bionicmutton.org/ [13:33:16] *** Xang has quit IRC [13:34:11] <SunTzuTech> oh cool. good deal [13:34:18] <zaihan> never tried on serial [13:34:30] <zaihan> anyway, i'm lazy to go to idc. :( [13:35:06] <zaihan> actually i'm doing a demo for my boss on mon. [13:37:50] <houst0n-> SunTzuTech: in action: http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde1nh3.png [13:38:12] <houst0n-> & http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde2iy2.png [13:38:59] <houst0n-> pretty pretty pretty [13:41:52] <houst0n-> And the best part: It's all built with sun studio 12 [13:41:56] <houst0n-> It's rock hard! [13:41:58] <houst0n-> =) [13:42:18] <houst0n-> I managed to kill plasma once, but no where near as much as it does on my little linux laptop [13:42:22] <houst0n-> dies* [13:44:18] <SunTzuTech> cool. I've been doing the S10 and 32-bit stuff for that project [13:45:16] <houst0n-> =) [13:46:15] <SunTzuTech> adriaan just added xine-lib so updates should be available in a couple of days [13:47:00] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris [13:50:00] *** Tobbe is now known as Tobbe|autoaway [13:50:23] <h3sp4wn> Have they got amarok and k3b (Those are the only kde bits I am bothered for) [13:50:38] *** derchris has quit IRC [13:50:45] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [13:50:55] <houst0n-> h3sp4wn: Those aren't part of kde [13:51:40] <h3sp4wn> By the definition for 4 I thought they were but either way they use kdelibs [13:52:42] *** TT has left #opensolaris [13:53:18] <h3sp4wn> and the amarok site is amarok.kde.org so it implies that they are at least linked in some way [13:57:40] <SunTzuTech> well, considering that there's maybe 5-7 people actually working to make kde4.1 with Studio 12 work, we can always use another body [14:01:31] *** erflungued has quit IRC [14:01:52] *** erflungued has joined #opensolaris [14:03:52] *** charlieS has quit IRC [14:04:15] *** Odin- has quit IRC [14:13:03] <kimc> the Opensol b102 dvd image download stopped after ~2/3 of the file was transferred ~2.2 GB -now able to resume with Sun download mgr ..cool [14:17:37] <kimc> that'll teach me to burn a disk without verifying the md5 sum :( [14:20:35] <h3sp4wn> SunTzuTech: Depends whats needed I will have a look if there is anything that I can do [14:21:35] <SunTzuTech> h3sp4wn: check out http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KDE_on_Solaris [14:24:28] *** hsp is now known as hsp_away [14:25:18] *** spud12 has joined #opensolaris [14:26:55] *** spud12 has joined #opensolaris [14:28:23] *** spud12 has quit IRC [14:30:17] *** mib_hn7qwy1g has joined #opensolaris [14:39:04] *** oupimiquo|asleep has quit IRC [14:39:06] *** Rarok has quit IRC [14:44:28] *** chrism has joined #opensolaris [14:44:59] *** oupimiquo|asleep has joined #opensolaris [14:46:10] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [14:48:00] *** Juanito has joined #opensolaris [14:48:20] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris [14:48:41] <Juanito> someone has tested nexenta? [14:48:57] <Juanito> I am installing it now... [14:49:10] <Juanito> hi, someone here? [14:50:43] <quasi> no, someone isn't here today [14:51:02] <houst0n-> I'm sure I saw someone outside earlier [14:51:17] <Stric> I'm someone else. [14:52:46] <rewolf-> playing with Anyone maybe ;/ [14:53:09] <sickness> there's also the #nexenta channel on freenode [14:53:29] <rewolf-> (and, this is freenode) [14:53:47] <sickness> indeed [14:54:36] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [14:57:17] *** jfndi has joined #opensolaris [14:59:18] *** zahna has left #opensolaris [15:04:18] *** estibi_ has left #opensolaris [15:06:00] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [15:08:14] <h3sp4wn> 0 [15:11:31] <swankier> wow, you guys sure can be jerks sometimes. [15:15:22] <houst0n-> :D thanks! [15:15:46] <peter__> has opensolaris a driver for any tv card? or can i use the very old bt848x driver von sourceforce on a up-to-date opensolaris? [15:18:20] <Stric> could work.. driver api is pretty stable [15:19:40] *** ArtemD has quit IRC [15:25:05] *** penta5 has joined #opensolaris [15:25:17] <peter__> and other drivers for newer tv cards (dvb eg) dont exists atm? [15:25:35] <penta5> hi! can I boot an OpenSolaris boot iso from silo? If so, how? [15:26:32] *** batschul has joined #opensolaris [15:28:26] <Stric> penta5: silo means sparc, right? opensolaris 2008.xx isn't available for sparc.. [15:29:38] <penta5> Stric: yes, its a sparc. anyway, can I boot any ISO image using silo? [15:30:17] <hali> "no" [15:30:21] <Stric> penta5: no idea.. I would guess no.. where would it read the iso from? [15:32:45] *** Supergrilo has joined #opensolaris [15:32:51] *** bondolo has quit IRC [15:33:12] <penta5> well I have a filesystem silo can read (ext2, from a linux install). I can give the path to the file and sile will even read it - but then it complains that the image is too large. [15:33:22] <penta5> s/sile/silo/ [15:34:15] <Stric> booting off an iso probably means that you will have to read the entire iso into ram first [15:34:35] <Stric> or keep multiple OS:es (silo + real OS) running at the same time [15:38:50] <penta5> Stric: yea, RAM shouldn't be a problem though, I have 2 gig. Anyway, Ill probalby have a better chance serving the image for netboot from another machine. [15:38:58] <Stric> yup. [15:39:13] *** Supergrilo has left #opensolaris [15:39:56] <CosmicDJ> IIRC openbsd supports cat'ing the iso image to the swap slice and booting off that [15:41:10] <CosmicDJ> (on sparc) [15:42:52] *** morettoni has joined #opensolaris [15:43:16] <penta5> CosmicDJ: Wow, that sounds weird. interesting though, I'll ask aunt google about it. [15:44:43] <CosmicDJ> ftp://openbsd.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/pub/OpenBSD/4.4/sparc64/INSTALL.sparc64 -> "Creating a bootable hard disk using SunOS, Solaris or other Un*x-like system: [15:44:46] <CosmicDJ> " [15:46:07] <penta5> CosmicDJ: thanks a lot. [15:47:02] *** mib_hn7qwy1g has quit IRC [15:47:24] *** vertigo has quit IRC [15:50:57] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [15:52:17] *** CyberBlue has quit IRC [15:55:23] *** penta5 has quit IRC [15:55:53] *** clergyman has joined #opensolaris [15:55:55] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [15:56:21] <clergyman> Hi.. I'm trying to install SXCE, and when I boot from the DVD, I'm dumped in a grub shell, is that normal? [15:56:45] <clergyman> Not in a grub menu as expected.. in a grub menu [15:56:51] <clergyman> prompt even [15:59:32] <quasi> try typing: [15:59:36] <quasi> kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix [15:59:43] <quasi> module$ /platform/i86pc/$ISADIR/boot_archive [15:59:47] <quasi> boot [16:00:29] *** swankier has quit IRC [16:00:58] <clergyman> Error 15: File not found on the first command [16:01:14] *** swankier has joined #opensolaris [16:01:34] <quasi> oh well, works for SXCE [16:01:53] <clergyman> But it did say "loading '/platform...' cpu: 'GenuineIntel' family 6 model 15 step 2 [BIOS accepted mixed-mode target setting!] [16:01:57] <clergyman> And then the error 15 [16:01:57] <CosmicDJ> clergyman: did you check the md5? did a verified burn? [16:02:15] <clergyman> To be honest, no [16:02:23] <clergyman> So it's not meant to do this ? [16:03:46] *** _Auralis has quit IRC [16:03:48] <Stric> Nope. It's supposed to boot instead ;) [16:03:56] <CosmicDJ> hehe [16:04:03] <zaihan> lol [16:04:16] <zaihan> i downloaded the image via wget.. then accidentally closed my xterm.. [16:04:21] <zaihan> then i went to chech the md5sum [16:04:26] <zaihan> phew! [16:04:34] <clergyman> Ah k :) I'll just re-download and re-burn the iso then [16:04:40] <clergyman> Thanks people! 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[16:46:48] <TomJ> run mdb -k then type ::memstat and hit enter [16:47:14] <TomJ> might take a while, but will give you accurate readings for exactly how much memory you are using [16:47:59] <kohju> hm.... pkg commmand eats large memory? [16:48:29] <zimmermanc> 487M kerne, 1449M Anon [16:48:51] <Michael_Knight> Is it any roadmap for OpenSolaris 2008.11? When should it release? [16:48:52] <zimmermanc> i did try running an update all , i think that was right around the time everything started to collapse [16:49:13] <TomJ> zimmermanc: ok, so you are genuinely out of memory [16:49:30] *** moses_ has quit IRC [16:49:31] <TomJ> have a look at prstat to see what is using so much memory [16:49:39] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris [16:49:41] <TomJ> Michael_Knight: probably 31st November [16:49:47] <TomJ> 30th I mean [16:49:51] <zimmermanc> would explain why it feels like i'm running windows 95 ;) [16:50:23] <zimmermanc> hrm, ya it is the package manager [16:50:37] <Michael_Knight> TomJ: thanks for info [16:51:08] <TomJ> zimmermanc: I gather the package manager is a little inefficient at the moment.. [16:52:05] <FrostCS> package manager.. I giggle just reading that [16:52:15] <zimmermanc> a tad ;) thanks, i guess i should have checked the basics before freaking out. just didn't think a 2gb machine would be so sluggish [16:52:49] <zimmermanc> thank you [16:54:57] *** paidhi has joined #opensolaris [16:56:00] *** morettoni has quit IRC [16:56:12] <zaihan> upgraded to 102 from 98.. and well.. the network works now! [16:56:57] *** Disorganized has quit IRC [16:57:40] <paidhi> Anybody knows how to "zero free space" on (Open)Solaris? To prepare a VirtualBox Solaris guest installation for shrinking its VDI disk image (compact). [16:58:11] <Michael_Knight> hm. Is it enough 1gb RAM with SunStudio in minimal system without any other applications? [17:00:03] <quasi> yeah [17:01:49] *** Rarok has quit IRC [17:06:10] *** vertigo- has quit IRC [17:06:38] *** Michael_Knight has left #opensolaris [17:07:13] <hsp> I need help to install sunstudioexpress. Package SUNWj6dev make a error http://rafb.net/p/DTNoJZ56.html [17:09:17] *** vertigo- has joined #opensolaris [17:12:00] *** syamajala has quit IRC [17:13:01] <quasi> lines 36-38 is good advice [17:13:12] <quasi> maybe someone else followed that already... [17:16:18] *** ttmrichter_ has joined #opensolaris [17:19:11] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [17:19:13] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [17:21:44] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC [17:23:02] *** nemoego has joined #opensolaris [17:27:19] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [17:27:58] *** gherdo has joined #opensolaris [17:28:53] <gherdo> hi [17:29:26] <gherdo> opensolaris 101a should connect to my WPA2-PSK wifi lan? [17:30:12] <quasi> depends on the wifi card [17:30:28] <gherdo> quasi: ipw2200 [17:32:15] <quasi> can't remember whether that ever got more than WEP or not [17:33:06] <kohju> hm,,, pkg command dumps stack traces and 'MemoryError' message on the non-global zone capped memory 384MB. [17:33:28] <gherdo> quasi: ok, tnx [17:33:59] <kohju> maybe, it is not enough memory ? [17:34:00] <quasi> gherdo: check the wifi page - they're pretty good at documenting [17:35:19] <Stric> kohju: yup. [17:35:28] <Stric> kohju: pkg command is memory hungry atm [17:35:52] <gherdo> quasi: you say http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/wireless_driver_compatible_list/ ? [17:37:09] <quasi> gherdo: that at least says wpa support [17:37:33] <quasi> not wpa2 [17:37:58] <gherdo> quasi: ok [17:38:53] <kohju> Stric, Thanks. i don't know how many memories pkg command needs. can i know it? [17:39:06] <Stric> kohju: "more" :) [17:39:15] <kohju> Oops :) [17:40:09] *** charlieS has joined #opensolaris [17:40:19] <gherdo> quasi: good [17:41:32] <nemoego> How does zfs handle a mirror or raidz created with disks of different sizes? [17:41:45] <Stric> smallest "wins" [17:42:42] <nemoego> Stric: so any 'excess' space on larger disks is ignored? [17:42:49] <kohju> i think starting OpenSolaris zone rental service. but it is little difficult. a some problems blocks me :'(. [17:42:50] <Stric> yup [17:43:00] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [17:43:05] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris [17:43:37] <Stric> nemoego: if you mirror a 250 and 500G disk, you will have 250G usable.. replace the 250 with another 500 and it will grow automaticaly [17:45:18] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [17:46:14] <nemoego> Stric: is there any good (ie redundant) way to use many different sized disks in one storage pool [17:49:05] <Stric> manually [17:49:13] <Stric> slice & mirror/raid [17:49:33] <Stric> or if you only want to protect from "bit flips", you can use copies=X [17:49:42] <Stric> but that won't protect from a disk falling off [17:49:48] <zimmermanc> that rosetta page, is it outdated? [17:51:52] <nemoego> Ok, thanks [17:52:21] *** CRasH180 has joined #opensolaris [17:54:53] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris [17:55:59] *** zimmermanc has quit IRC [17:57:20] *** cmihai` has quit IRC [17:58:02] *** cmihai` has joined #OpenSolaris [18:00:17] <blistov2> so... what was all this i'd heard about zpools requiring a minimum of three discs? [18:00:21] <blistov2> thats seems to .. not be the case. [18:00:45] *** jfndi has quit IRC [18:00:45] <turtle> it's not [18:00:48] <turtle> we don't know what you heard [18:00:53] <blistov2> but i was given the impression that the three disc minimum had something to do with the default raid level of a zfs... [18:00:54] <blistov2> hrm. [18:00:54] <turtle> but like most things in life it's wrong [18:01:10] <blistov2> i think i heard it on some keynote ABOUT zfs last year. [18:01:28] <blistov2> anywho, what raid level's is zfs capable of then? [18:01:56] <turtle> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS [18:02:19] *** blistov3 has joined #opensolaris [18:02:22] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris [18:03:23] <Stric> blistov3: 0, 1, 5ish, 6ish [18:04:22] <Stric> 0ish that is ;) [18:04:32] *** kohju has quit IRC [18:04:55] *** kohju has joined #opensolaris [18:04:59] <blistov2> hrm... i'm still trying to figure out what raid level they were using during some demo I was at. [18:05:37] <Stric> raidz(1) =~ 5, raidz2 =~ 6 [18:05:39] <blistov2> they smashed a bunch of discs while pulling video off them, and showed slick graphs and charts to show how the array heal' [18:05:43] <blistov2> heald [18:05:49] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [18:05:57] <blistov2> oh my god. [18:06:00] <blistov2> healed [18:08:29] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [18:12:22] <swankier> is there anything special that must be done to get the latest opensolaris to work in vmware fusion? 2008.05 boots fine, but the latest 2008.11rc1b doesn't [18:13:10] <zaihan> it 2008.11 doesn't even run on Xen HPV [18:13:22] <zaihan> 2008.05 can boot up on xen [18:14:49] <paidhi> Found a solution for my VirtualBox/Solaris problem: Create a very large file from /dev/zero (dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile ...), then shutdown the VM. Now "VBoxManage modifyvdi ... compact" reduces the VDI disk size. [18:14:50] *** doof has quit IRC [18:14:51] <Stric> 2008.11rc works in virtualbox [18:15:05] *** doof has joined #opensolaris [18:15:26] <trygvis> paidhi: to create files, mkfile is the thing to use [18:16:04] <paidhi> trygvis: thanks for the hint. [18:19:00] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris [18:20:38] *** estibi_ has quit IRC [18:21:08] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris [18:24:27] *** echolink1833 has quit IRC [18:25:34] *** Auralis_ has joined #opensolaris [18:28:24] *** tomj_ has joined #opensolaris [18:28:29] *** RElling1 has quit IRC [18:30:58] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris [18:31:01] *** idle-boy is now known as stupidity [18:33:12] *** __coredump__ has joined #opensolaris [18:33:27] *** RElling has quit IRC [18:33:51] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris [18:34:57] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC [18:35:50] *** kleppari has quit IRC [18:39:31] <blistov2> hrm. doesn't seem as if vmware-server actually removes discs when you tell it to. [18:39:38] <blistov2> Requires reboot, which sucks for testing zfs... [18:39:40] <trygvis> if auto_home has two "*" entries, will it try the second if the first one fails? [18:39:45] *** zimmermanc has joined #opensolaris [18:41:25] *** mlh has quit IRC [18:45:25] *** stupidity is now known as summ [18:45:42] *** TomJ has quit IRC [18:46:55] *** mlh has joined #opensolaris [18:48:54] *** CRasH180 has quit IRC [18:50:08] *** _Auralis has quit IRC [18:55:51] *** jtmuzix has joined #opensolaris [18:58:37] *** dustman has joined #opensolaris [18:58:48] <blistov2> I have 6 2GB discs in zpool "mastery". I remove disc 1, and then replace is with a 3GB disc. This increases overall capacity. Can I now put disc1 back, and replace the 3GB disc with the 2Gb? [18:59:05] <trygvis> nope [18:59:21] <trygvis> well, it should work if the pool didn't grow [18:59:26] <blistov2> Only ever gets bigger then. [18:59:32] <blistov2> Ok. [19:01:26] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [19:01:43] <Stric> blistov3: yes, you can do that.. unless you replace all disks, whereas the pool will grow to be a 6x3 instead of a 6x2 [19:02:03] <Stric> smallest size dictates.. if all goes up to a new size, pool grows [19:02:12] <Stric> hm.. with raidz that is [19:03:11] <Stric> if it's just a regular pool without any redundancy, it will grow and you can't go back [19:03:26] <blistov2> sorry, its raidz [19:03:45] <blistov2> but it looks like the 3g i added, increased the overall size of the pool. [19:04:12] <Stric> 6x2 -> (5x2+1x3) won't grow the pool if it's a raidz [19:04:15] <Stric> or mirror [19:05:09] <blistov2> so what happens with the remaining capacity? does it become redundant storage, or is it simply ignored? [19:05:13] <Stric> ignored [19:05:25] <wereHamster> is the sun C compiler part of sunstudio? Or is there a way to install the compiler without sunstudio? [19:05:35] <Stric> wereHamster: sun studio is the c compiler [19:05:43] <Stric> (kinda( [19:05:55] <blistov2> how can i tell how much of each disc is used?, [19:06:19] <Stric> check how large they are, smallest "wins", rest is just ignored [19:06:23] <blistov2> Hrm... [19:06:24] <wereHamster> Stric: what about sunstudioexpress? [19:06:57] <Stric> basically, there is little point in having different sized disks in a raid, so there is no framework for seeing how much is used and not [19:07:05] <Stric> because you can't do anything with it anyway [19:07:35] <blistov2> Stric: so if i have say, 9x1TB, and I want to increase capacity at all, I have to throw out all 9 1TB drives, and replace them with ... 1.5TB drives? [19:08:06] <Stric> or add another raid set to the pool [19:09:31] <Stric> http://pastebin.com/m4c89e268 <- like this for example [19:09:53] <blistov2> ooooh gotcha! [19:11:09] <Stric> remember that you currently can't remove a disk/vdev from a pool.. only replace disks with something else.. (special case: mirror.. you can reduce mirror disk count) [19:11:35] *** cchildre has joined #opensolaris [19:11:44] <cchildre> hi, all [19:12:07] *** cchildre is now known as cchildress [19:12:12] <blistov2> Stric: arg, I just added a 5GB disc to my zpool, but now the zpool's capacity went up. [19:12:25] <blistov2> is raidz NOT redundant? [19:12:34] <Stric> it is [19:13:24] *** Gnu_Raiz has quit IRC [19:13:30] <Stric> raidz(d1,d2,d3,d4) + plaindisk5 is not good though.. that's why it complains, but you can add -f [19:13:58] <blistov2> hrm... but now the plaindisk cannot be removed. [19:14:04] <Stric> correct. [19:14:18] <Stric> so why did you force it in? [19:14:23] <blistov2> i didn't. [19:14:31] <blistov2> i just did zpool add mastery disc [19:14:45] <Stric> then you didn't start with a pool containing a raidz ;) [19:15:02] <cchildress> i'm new to solaris, so please forgive me. i've got a fresh install of solaris, and i have two sata interface cards which the device driver utility detects properly but says there are no drivers for. what's the best place to look for the driver for those cards, and why is it detected properly (name model and everything) if there isn't a driver available for it? [19:15:19] <blistov2> http://pastebin.com/m1a41da69 [19:15:54] *** tomj_ is now known as TomJ [19:16:16] <cchildress> well, tbh it's opensolaris but hopefully that doesn't make that much of a difference [19:16:28] <Stric> blistov2: wtf.. must be a bug.. it should complain there.. I've tried it myself.. [19:16:55] <blistov2> ... :( [19:17:06] <blistov2> and now i have no way of removing it. [19:17:20] <Stric> that's why it should complain [19:17:24] <blistov2> nice :) [19:17:37] <blistov2> So... how stable is zfs considered? [19:17:48] <blistov2> for enterprise environments? [19:18:43] <e^ipi> very, when you follow proper procedure and have redundancy on your pool [19:18:48] <Dominic> it's stabe - it's been in Sol10 for some time and root ZFS pools were released for the 10/08 update [19:18:55] <e^ipi> with no redundancy, it'll at least warn you when your data is corrupt [19:18:56] <Dominic> s/stabe/stable/ [19:18:58] <blistov2> i see that. [19:19:05] <trygvis> cchildress: the device information it not related to the driver, there are databases which maps PCI ids to card/chip names [19:19:22] <Stric> blistov2: which version of sol/osol are you using? [19:19:53] <cchildress> trygvis: ok. i'm used to linux where it either detects it properly or not at all :p [19:20:01] <blistov2> Stric: 200805? [19:20:24] <trygvis> scanpci will show the device on linux even if it doesn't support it [19:20:26] <Stric> blistov2: with no updates? [19:20:32] <blistov2> none that i know of. [19:20:38] <blistov2> just installed this morning. [19:20:42] <Stric> (although it should still complain) [19:20:43] *** pumpkin_ has joined #opensolaris [19:20:48] <trygvis> cchildress: see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/ [19:20:54] <cchildress> oke [19:20:55] <Stric> blistov2: download 2008.11rc instead [19:21:06] <cchildress> but i'm still faced with the problem of drivers... [19:21:06] <blistov2> will do. go vmware! [19:21:31] <blistov2> so if i want to grow capacity of a zfs, i do so by creating a new zpool, and adding it to the zfs? [19:21:42] <cchildress> i've read a few blogs that stated this was a card compliant with Sol10 [19:21:45] <blistov2> im sure i'm mixing terms somewhere. [19:21:49] <cchildress> so hopefully the driver is out there somewhre [19:21:49] *** Rarok has quit IRC [19:21:50] <Stric> blistov2: you are mixing.. [19:22:03] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [19:22:07] <trygvis> which card do you have? [19:22:24] <Stric> blistov2: pools contain disks, pools provide zfs's [19:22:30] <blistov2> right. [19:22:41] <cchildress> trygvis: Silicon Image Sil 3114 [19:22:45] <blistov2> how do i create a pool, and THEN add it to a zfs? [19:22:49] <Stric> so if you want more space for zfs's, you add disks to the pool [19:23:08] <blistov2> but i want to add larger discs. [19:23:08] *** gherdo has quit IRC [19:23:11] <trygvis> cchildress: that should(!) work right out of the box, but didn't for me either [19:23:14] <blistov2> which cannot be part of the same pool no? [19:23:24] <trygvis> cchildress: or, you have to make sure you have the non-raid bios [19:23:33] <cchildress> trygvis: ok, at least i know i'm on the right page. and i didn't have the cards in when i installed opensol, does that make a difference? [19:23:36] <trygvis> it will/should work in a "legacy ide" mode [19:23:43] <cchildress> trygvis: ahh...i probably still have the raid bios [19:23:55] <trygvis> right, got to un-raid it then :) [19:23:56] <cchildress> trygvis: how do i apply the proper bios under solaris? [19:24:13] <trygvis> you have to flash it, they have a util on the sil support pages [19:24:13] <e^ipi> no [19:24:13] <e^ipi> you just keep your redundancy matched up [19:24:13] <e^ipi> if you have one raidz of 3 disks, you add another 3-disk raidz [19:24:46] <cchildress> trygvis: ok thanks i'll check that out [19:25:01] <trygvis> who produced the card? [19:25:02] <Stric> blistov2: back up.. a pool consists of X number of vdevs which can be plain disks or raid sets [19:25:16] <Stric> blistov2: a pool can host multiple filsystems [19:25:30] <Stric> blistov2: if you want more space, add another vdev (preferrably of the same redundancy) to the pool. done. [19:26:04] <Stric> blistov2: see ZFS demos off opensolaris.org [19:26:55] <cchildress> trygvis: syba [19:27:05] <Stric> blistov2: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/demos/ [19:29:30] <blistov3> Stric: so when i use the zpool create, what am i creating>? [19:29:47] <blistov3> i did zpool create mastery raidz 1 2 3 4 5 6 [19:31:00] *** dustman has quit IRC [19:31:01] <Stric> blistov3: a pool (that by itself is also a zfs filesystem). zfs create mastery/anothterfs;zfs create mastery/thirdfs;zfs create mastery/thirdfs/subfs [19:31:04] *** dustman has joined #opensolaris [19:31:26] <Stric> blistov3: play around, do stuff, see what you get [19:31:30] <cchildress> trygvis: I got the idea from this blog: http://blogs.sun.com/PlasticPixel/entry/build_your_own_multi_terabyte [19:31:31] <blistov3> doing so :) [19:31:38] <blistov3> Stric: thanks a lot man [19:32:09] <Stric> blistov3: see that url I sent [19:33:02] <cchildress> trygvis: ok i have the bios .bin file...now i just have to track down the bios flash util [19:33:03] <trygvis> cchildress: yeah, I've read that one. I went for a marvell card though [19:33:26] <cchildress> trygvis: lol now i kinda wish i had ...the 4-way pci cards were just too good a deal to pass up [19:33:43] <cchildress> besides if i can get this to work then i'm a happy camper [19:34:01] <Stric> blistov3: but you shouldn't have supposed to be able to add that last disk.. that's a bug. [19:34:07] <Stric> blistov3: not without an -f [19:41:15] *** paidhi has left #opensolaris [19:44:49] *** zimmermanc has quit IRC [19:46:30] *** zimmermanc has joined #opensolaris [19:48:48] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris [19:48:49] *** blistov2 has quit IRC [19:51:05] *** blistov1 has joined #opensolaris [19:52:57] <kleppari> http://rafb.net/p/IrN1oJ41.html [19:53:08] <kleppari> have you seen that before? [19:53:17] <kleppari> i've successfully installed four zones on that same box without issues [19:55:43] *** cypromis has quit IRC [19:55:53] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [19:56:03] *** Rarok has quit IRC [19:56:37] *** cypromis has quit IRC [19:57:25] *** wewek has left #opensolaris [19:58:21] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [20:02:16] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris [20:07:31] *** hsp has quit IRC [20:08:32] <CardFire> anyone successfully installed mplayer off the blastwave repo, in opensolaris 2008.11? [20:09:15] <estibi> CardFire: yes, but using pkg-get instead of pkg [20:09:33] <CardFire> was using the gui package manager [20:09:56] <CardFire> after adding the main repository mirror for blastwave ... [20:10:05] <CardFire> I'll try pkg-get [20:10:49] <CardFire> oh, heh ... don't have pkg-get [20:10:58] <CardFire> how do I *get* pkg-get? [20:11:23] <estibi> http://www.blastwave.org/howto.html [20:11:26] <CardFire> and ty, estibi [20:12:52] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris [20:14:12] *** Juanito has joined #opensolaris [20:20:03] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [20:22:45] <e^ipi> CardFire: pkg-get is for solaris proper ( 8, 9, 10 ) and SXCE only [20:24:43] <wereHamster> how can I list upon which packages a particular package depends? and which of those would be newly installed on the system? [20:24:45] <estibi> e^ipi: pkg doesn't work properly with blastwave [20:24:59] <e^ipi> they have their own pkg repo [20:26:13] <estibi> yes, but it's broken [20:26:13] *** Rarok has quit IRC [20:26:16] *** zr0_ has quit IRC [20:26:23] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [20:27:42] <CardFire> okay, so, I can't use pkg-get for opensolaris, and I'm getting a permissions error which may be the only problem with using blastwave via the gui package manager ... [20:28:09] <CardFire> um ... Exception value [Errno 1] Not owner: '//opt/csw/lib/i386' [20:28:22] <CardFire> again, my goal is simply to load mplayer into my opensolaris install [20:28:36] *** rootard has left #opensolaris [20:28:53] <CardFire> as Totem came with NO codecs and I couldn't find a compiled, free plugin Mpeg1Layer3 decoder [20:28:54] <CardFire> :-p [20:28:55] <e^ipi> well, you /do/ have to be root... [20:29:08] <e^ipi> you sound like a douche when you call it mpeg1layer3 [20:29:13] <CardFire> yes, I chowned the whole /opt/ as root [20:29:21] <e^ipi> fluendo has a free mp3 codec [20:29:25] <CardFire> my apologies, I'll hide my douchiness [20:29:40] <CardFire> and looking on fluendo I saw little euro symbols next to damn near every link. I'll look more [20:30:19] <CardFire> anyhow, mplayer's agreeable, I use it on my win and mac systems, and I assume that my problem isn't with the package in specific [20:30:19] <e^ipi> yes... the mp3 codec is ?0 [20:30:34] <CardFire> ah, and they don't require billing info? [20:30:44] <CardFire> nifty [20:31:35] <blistov3> i don't understand how zfs self heals. [20:31:38] <estibi> CardFire: pkg-get will work for you, but first uninstall all blastwave packages from 'pkg' [20:31:51] <blistov3> ie, dd over a disk, and zfs figures out which disk makes more sense. [20:32:01] <blistov3> but i don't get how it determines which is which? [20:32:02] <e^ipi> blistov3: it's checksummed [20:32:08] *** syamajala has quit IRC [20:32:10] <e^ipi> if the checksum doesn't match, the data is wrong [20:32:11] *** __coredump__ has quit IRC [20:32:35] <CardFire> estibi: why can I not use blastwave in get? Is there a reason it won't work properly? the gui was kind of convenient [20:32:45] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris [20:32:49] <blistov3> but on a mirror of only two discs, you can wipe out disc0 with garbage, and zfs determines that disc1 has the valid data. [20:32:56] <blistov3> where is the checksum stored? [20:33:00] <e^ipi> on the disks [20:33:26] <estibi> CardFire: it's unstable as you can see [20:33:28] <blistov3> oooh.. so the checksum for disc1 will be the only checksum available. [20:33:40] <CardFire> so the problem isn't me ... *sighs* [20:33:40] <e^ipi> blistov3: no, it's block-wise [20:33:41] <CardFire> alright [20:34:03] <blistov3> this is genius. [20:34:04] <blistov3> i love it. [20:34:27] <blistov3> i want the app sun was using to demo disc destruction and self healing. [20:34:32] <blistov3> showing load balancing across the discs. [20:35:08] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [20:36:44] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [20:36:46] *** e^ipi changes topic to "SXCE 101 (102 yanked. DON'T USE IT), ON 102, IPS 101a || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca" [20:37:04] <e^ipi> see 6771840 for details. [20:37:51] <houst0n-> Bah bit late for that [20:37:56] <houst0n-> ! [20:38:32] <estibi> Bug #6771840 does not exist. [20:38:44] <houst0n-> Yeah I can't find it on defect.* [20:39:15] <houst0n-> I've been booted into it for a few hours, kde 4.1.3 is building nicely so far [20:39:26] <houst0n-> Care to elaborate what is "yanked" about it? [20:40:10] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [20:40:27] <Stric> yanked as in removed [20:40:47] <houst0n-> Ok .. so .. why? [20:41:16] *** kgoetz has quit IRC [20:41:21] <e^ipi> 6771840 zpool online on ZFS root can panic system [20:41:51] <e^ipi> data corruption, etc [20:41:53] <houst0n-> Any reason why that isn't listed on defect.opensolaris.org yet? [20:41:57] <thebentzone> apparently noone ever tests [20:42:04] <e^ipi> because nobody uses d.o.o [20:42:12] <e^ipi> IPS and install does [20:42:17] <e^ipi> ON bugs are on bugs.os.o [20:42:26] <houst0n-> ahh [20:42:36] <e^ipi> thebentzone: sure they do, the people that download the latest and greatest the day it comes out [20:42:42] <estibi> Your search returned 0 results. [20:43:03] <e^ipi> oh fucking b.o.o [20:43:17] <thebentzone> and they wonder why the stock is under $4 [20:43:19] <e^ipi> serious hate-on for that [20:43:23] <houst0n-> Yeah I don't see it on bugs.* either [20:43:26] <houst0n-> .. wtf? [20:43:33] <e^ipi> thebentzone: i'm sure it has nothing to do with people downloading experimental code [20:44:02] <e^ipi> houst0n-: boo is on a 24 hour cron job against bugster [20:44:09] <e^ipi> so it might take a while to show up [20:44:16] <e^ipi> i seriously hate boo... [20:44:53] <houst0n-> Bah. So I need to rebuild and I can't even find out why? First time I've not used LU in months also, great.. [20:45:12] *** anilg has quit IRC [20:45:38] <spiff> I'm having some issues getting the 'entire' package downloaded in snv_101a...any ideas? [20:45:49] <clergyman> Is the topic a joke? [20:45:59] <e^ipi> yes, because i do that... [20:46:02] <clergyman> I just spent 3 fscking hours downloading SXCE102 [20:46:07] <e^ipi> i like to see people panic like ants [20:46:31] <clergyman> What's wrong with it? :/ [20:46:35] <houst0n-> clergyman: Enjoy the next 3 hours.. :P [20:46:46] <e^ipi> data corruption and panics w/ zfs root [20:46:46] <clergyman> oh maan [20:46:58] <clergyman> Oh maaaaaaaaaaaaan [20:46:59] <houst0n-> I might just lu the box into a ufs partition [20:47:05] <hrist> hehe houst0n- [20:47:15] *** oc has joined #opensolaris [20:47:17] <estibi> e^ipi: what status has this bug? [20:47:24] <clergyman> Where do I even find 101? [20:47:36] <houst0n-> clergyman: the downloads page on opensolaris.org points to 101 now [20:47:39] <Auralis_> clergyman: well, from the bug, you should be fine with using a ufs root [20:47:53] <e^ipi> estibi: dunno, dispatched or accepted most likely, i'm not punched in to the work vpn [20:48:05] <clergyman> I'd really like to have a go at ZFS :/ [20:48:13] <clergyman> thanks houst0n- [20:48:31] <houst0n-> clergyman: "Like to have a go at" <-- sounds like you're new? [20:48:36] <houst0n-> You may be best with opensolaris 2008.11 [20:48:43] *** GNUWorld has quit IRC [20:48:44] <houst0n-> which won't have this problem (and fits on a normal dcr) [20:48:46] <houst0n-> cdr* [20:48:47] <oc> anybody managed to get a 101a or 99 box run an ubuntu xen-domain (domU)? [20:49:57] <clergyman> Hunger-: I am new yeah.. I tired opensolaris 2008.05, and I wasn't impressed [20:50:16] <Stric> .11 is much better [20:50:22] <clergyman> Packagemanager segfaulted, dbx whinged about libraries, and after a reboot the kernel wouldn't boot [20:50:25] <Stric> (.11 release candidate) [20:50:37] <houst0n-> .11 is useable [20:50:57] *** Rarok has quit IRC [20:51:04] <clergyman> I realise I will be having problems, that's part of it.. but I like the problems to be down to me :) [20:51:05] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [20:51:13] <clergyman> So I rather stay away from rc's and betas [20:51:29] <Stric> .11rc has fewer bugs than .05 [20:51:34] <clergyman> But at the same time, they might fix nastier bugs.. so I may take your word for it [20:52:13] <clergyman> And tbh, i'm not entirely sure what the difference between opensolaris and sxce is [20:53:29] <Stric> sxce is solaris 11 to be.. opensolaris are the "pure free" parts of that, with a bit of its own development branch as well [20:53:38] <houst0n-> clergyman: opensolaris is the shiny new distro with ips etc.. SXCE grew out of what was once solaris 10 and is required for developing ON etc [20:53:50] <clergyman> ON? [20:53:56] <CardFire> blistov1: where is that demo app available? that was pretty hot. [20:54:01] <houst0n-> simply: SXCE for dev, opensolaris 2008.XX for desktop [20:54:01] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [20:54:15] <clergyman> Ah ok, I'll go with opensolaris then [20:54:15] <houst0n-> clergyman: The kernel and basic userland, networking stuff etc [20:54:28] <houst0n-> OS/Net consolidation - check out opensolaris.org/communities/on [20:54:30] <houst0n-> or such [20:54:33] <oc> clergyman: OS/NET [20:54:35] <oc> woopz [20:54:41] <oc> slowish [20:55:00] <houst0n-> You're not slow, my neural interface is almost perfected [20:55:15] <houst0n-> so I can get data to irssi faster than your keyboard can .. [20:55:42] <oc> hehe [20:56:17] <wereHamster> what's the difference between pkg(1), pkgadd and friends and the pkg-add tool fromblastwave? Do all three do the same, just different implementations or is there some real difference? [20:56:27] <Stric> different packaging systems [20:56:30] <clergyman> os200811-global .. the golbal bit is just multi language support or ? [20:56:31] <wereHamster> s/pkg-add/pkg-get [20:56:37] <houst0n-> wereHamster: pkg-get is a wrapper for pkgadd [20:56:38] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [20:56:52] <houst0n-> it downloads software from blastwave's repo, installs deps in correct order etc [20:57:12] <houst0n-> pkg is the frontend for ips [20:57:31] <houst0n-> which is the *new* way of doing things - I've still not learnt how to create ips packages yet [20:57:35] <houst0n-> probably should =) [20:58:07] <houst0n-> clergyman: no idea, i usually use the other one though [20:58:34] <clergyman> I went with http://genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0811-101a-rc1b.iso [20:58:44] <houst0n-> That'll do it =) [20:58:47] <CIA-34> Jan Setje-Eilers <Jan.Setje-Eilers at Sun dot COM>: 6771858 sd/cmdk: devid is not published until reboot if initial label is created with DKIOCSEXTVTOC [20:58:48] <CIA-34> Sukumar Swaminathan <Sukumar.Swaminathan at Sun dot COM>: 6707201 possible resource leak in emlxs_mem_buf_alloc, 6741773 fcinfo does not report Emulex FCode / BIOS on x86, 6738279 "No resources" errors bringing system down for every 2 weeks., 6769078 System panics discovered during virtual port testing, 6769119 emlxs driver performing packet completions in hardware interrupt context, 6769109 DHCHAP issues discovered during HBAnyware testing [20:59:02] <houst0n-> I had that setup until about 6 hours ago [20:59:07] <houst0n-> Wasted saturday. bah. [20:59:25] <wereHamster> so blastwave doesn't use IPS yet? [20:59:34] <houst0n-> wereHamster: We're working on it ... there is a repo there [20:59:38] <clergyman> I hope 0811 doens't freeze whenever I plug my USB disk in [20:59:38] <houst0n-> blastwave.network.com:10000 [21:00:33] <houst0n-> Yeah I found ehci to be a tad flakey a while ago on my machine (a dell) [21:00:46] <houst0n-> Seems better now, though .. [21:02:04] <e^ipi> houst0n-: there's a bunch of docs on how to set up a pkg repo [21:02:17] <e^ipi> step one is build a sysv package [21:04:25] <houst0n-> I've briefly read through a few docs [21:04:39] <houst0n-> glynn blogged a bit about it a while ago read through that stuff too [21:05:02] <houst0n-> doesn't look too hard - when I tried IPS was a lot younger so hopefully things are better now =) [21:08:27] <oc> anybody having trouble with sysidcfg not creating resolv.conf and starting sshd when provisioning new zones? (i copy sysidcfg.generated to zone/BE/etc/sysidcfg prior to 1st boot) [21:10:50] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [21:11:14] <reflect> RElling: had time to look over my data? [21:11:52] *** sifi has joined #opensolaris [21:12:29] *** oc is now known as ocr [21:13:22] *** pumpkin_ is now known as pumpkin [21:13:29] <sifi> I just updated to 2008.11 and ran into a couple problems. First when I start terminal my commands are all uppercase and it doesn't display everything correctly. I also can't start xterm either because it says not enough ptys. [21:14:14] <sifi> how do I solve this. I am a solaris noob but I looked and someone suggested that I see if my user was in the ttys group. [21:16:01] <Stric> sounds like it broke pretty good [21:16:37] *** Rarok has quit IRC [21:17:01] <FrostCS> my old self would have said something like "isn't that what was intended?" [21:17:25] <sifi> most other applications work good. Only ones that didn't was the console ones. [21:17:48] <FrostCS> I thought we were doing away with cli? [21:18:40] <sifi> screen just returns "sorry, no more ttys" [21:19:23] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [21:19:34] <e^ipi> how much ram in the machine [21:19:43] <sifi> 2 gb [21:19:51] <e^ipi> that isn't it then [21:19:53] <e^ipi> *shrug* [21:19:56] * e^ipi got nothing [21:20:20] *** sifi has quit IRC [21:20:59] <FrostCS> sounds like it is posessed or something [21:21:22] *** sifi has joined #opensolaris [21:22:23] <sifi> should I just burn the 2008.11 DVD and install from that? 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[22:03:16] *** rmorse has quit IRC [22:04:52] *** abisen has quit IRC [22:07:39] <holcomb> whoops. just lu'ed to 102 [22:08:03] <Berny> whats wrong with 102? [22:08:06] <CosmicDJ> holcomb: just revert to the old BE [22:08:39] <holcomb> whoops. just ludeleted snv_101 [22:08:46] <e^ipi> Berny: it's broke [22:08:53] <holcomb> no biggie... just a test system [22:08:54] <Berny> that much i figured :-) [22:09:01] <e^ipi> zfs root = panics and data corruption [22:09:07] <Berny> ouch [22:09:28] <Berny> i'll leave my hands off that one :-) [22:09:29] <e^ipi> 6771840 zpool online on ZFS root can panic system [22:09:38] <e^ipi> whenever that bug shows up in boo [22:09:47] <holcomb> any more info on that bug? like under what conditions it happens? [22:09:50] <holcomb> so far things seem okay [22:09:55] <Berny> back to why my t100 won't boot off the bloody fc/al drive [22:10:03] <Berny> t1000 [22:12:28] <CosmicDJ> yeah FCS quality... [22:13:10] <CosmicDJ> I think I'll wait for service pack 1 ;) [22:13:13] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [22:14:31] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: some internal stuff got burned by that build [22:14:37] <e^ipi> which is why it got caught [22:15:07] <e^ipi> nobody outside got burned by it as far as anyone can tell, and now it can get fixed before anyone runs in to it [22:15:25] <CosmicDJ> this still sounds horrible.. [22:15:31] <e^ipi> also, it's experimental code [22:15:39] <e^ipi> if you run experimental code, you get burned on occasion [22:15:48] <e^ipi> solution: don't upgrade to the latest version as soon as it hits dlc [22:18:43] <e^ipi> especially not on a weekend when the stuff that's already been running it for a few days (internal sun machines) are mostly idle [22:19:11] <CosmicDJ> http://blogs.sun.com/kupfer/entry/fcs_quality_all_the_time [22:19:26] <e^ipi> what's your point? [22:19:43] <e^ipi> that doesn't mean things never break, it just means that when they do, sun engineers are the first to feel it [22:19:52] <e^ipi> it acts as a disincentive to break things [22:20:35] *** Teo`` has joined #opensolaris [22:21:08] <e^ipi> also note the use of the word "known showstoppers" [22:21:20] <e^ipi> obviously nobody knew about it until someone got burned (us) [22:21:45] <e^ipi> what'll happen is gk will back the change out, and the build will get a respin [22:21:55] <reflect> us, being who? [22:22:02] <e^ipi> people @ sun [22:22:17] <e^ipi> and people that use the latest & greatest ASAP [22:23:25] <reflect> never figured you for a sun employee [22:23:39] <e^ipi> i'm an intern [22:24:20] <reflect> then you're young? [22:24:50] <e^ipi> i'm 25 *shrug* [22:25:10] <reflect> "yes" [22:26:20] *** ocr has quit IRC [22:28:12] <CardFire> heh [22:28:45] *** StayTuned has quit IRC [22:30:39] <CardFire> so, how to I add a pkg into a local repository, for installation? [22:30:43] <CardFire> in OpenSolaris [22:30:56] <CardFire> (is it alright that I keep asking these basic-level questions?) [22:31:49] <reflect> yes, it's alright, as long as you try to find the answer yourself first [22:32:19] <reflect> please elaborate [22:32:22] <CosmicDJ> "JFGI" [22:32:29] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [22:32:34] <reflect> CosmicDJ: que? [22:32:59] <CosmicDJ> I elaborated "as long as you try to find the answer yourself first" ;) [22:33:22] <codestr0m> CardFire: couple quick questions if you don't mind [22:33:28] <CardFire> *nods* I have the libflashplayer package for solaris x86, which I downloaded when default firefox failed to install an automatic plugin [22:33:32] <CardFire> sure, codestr0m [22:33:47] <CardFire> I can't find the same file in the built-in repo (in the gui package manager) [22:33:54] <CardFire> and double-clicking causes all manner of complaint [22:34:04] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris [22:34:05] <codestr0m> CardFire: sorry I haven't read up for the full conversation, but you want to add a package you've built locally so you can install it or? [22:34:18] <CardFire> not even built, just snagged off Adobe's site [22:34:19] <e^ipi> CardFire: there are instructions on how to install the flash player [22:34:29] <codestr0m> CardFire: are you on x86? [22:34:36] <CardFire> i am on x86 [22:34:49] <CardFire> dl'ed 2008.11 and installed day before yesterday [22:34:59] <codestr0m> call me crazy, but unless something has changed. I thought they only make a sparc version [22:35:08] <e^ipi> codestr0m: wrong. [22:35:09] <reflect> he also stated "local repository".. [22:35:11] <CardFire> codestr0m: they have an x86 build [22:35:18] <CardFire> teaching myself more unix with it, as up till now it's just been Mach kernel in OS X [22:35:20] <e^ipi> CardFire: on the adobe site [22:35:29] <CardFire> e^ipi: thanks ... hunting now ... [22:35:31] <e^ipi> where you downloaded the player [22:35:35] <e^ipi> "installation instructions" [22:35:38] <codestr0m> ok. that's news to me. glad to hear it [22:35:46] <reflect> CardFire: what did you mean by local repository? [22:35:52] <e^ipi> codestr0m: it has been the case for years. [22:36:22] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: only sparc version is Adobe Acrobat Reader [22:36:31] *** bb3 has left #opensolaris [22:36:47] <CardFire> reflect: I meant that since it is not included in the opensolaris.org repo, under package manager, that I figured I had to somehow admit the package manager into another repo, on local machine [22:36:57] <clergyman> Grr, 200811 still freezes when I plug my USB disk in :/ [22:37:18] <codestr0m> clergyman: have you filed a bug report or is there an existing one? [22:37:45] <clergyman> codestr0m: I haven't filed one, and I can't find an existing one [22:38:01] <clergyman> I'm rather new to solaris, so I'm not 100% sure it's not just me :) [22:38:06] <reflect> CardFire: a local repository refers to a machine, capable of answering questions from other machines, and transferring data/packages to them.. in my world [22:38:20] <codestr0m> clergyman: please file one.. if you are a developer or interested in learning even better [22:38:33] <reflect> if you mean "I downloaded a package and I want to install it".. [22:38:34] <codestr0m> clergyman: well.. try to narrow it down to an exact action [22:39:05] <clergyman> It's not the plugging in itself, it's when I try to access it.. The system runs fine, but if I for instance do ls -al /dev/rdsk/ it freezes, and then resumes fine when I unplug it [22:39:11] <CardFire> reflect: ty, I should have stated that, but the impression I got was that you *can't* for some reason, and that downloads must come from the repo's [22:39:31] *** Teo` has quit IRC [22:39:31] <e^ipi> pkg(5) downloads are like that [22:39:41] <e^ipi> the sysV infrastructure hasn't been removed though [22:39:43] <CardFire> i got the impression based on the few binaries I'd DL'ed, which I couldn't just *launch* as in Solaris, OS X, Windows, and every other computer ever ... [22:40:04] <CardFire> okay, for example, I DL'ed the Transmission BT client installer, before I discovered it was in the repo [22:40:33] <CardFire> found it on a mirror from the app's home site, and slaved away for several hours, before finding the file available in the repo [22:40:36] <e^ipi> that wasn't an installer, that was a sysv package [22:40:36] <codestr0m> clergyman: if I had to guess. I'd say that's a bug, but please try to detail as much as possible.. drivers/hw/file system ufs/pcfs/zfs. etc.. from there we can track it [22:40:52] <CardFire> but the errors I got complained that it couldn't find the install package [22:40:56] <CardFire> when I was looking right at it [22:41:03] <CardFire> *tilts head to the side* [22:41:08] <CardFire> *googles "sysv"* [22:41:17] <e^ipi> CardFire: no, you just didn't read the pkgadd man page [22:41:17] <clergyman> codestr0m: I'll try, but as I said I'm new to solaris, so I may not be able to dig everything out :) [22:41:29] <e^ipi> the package was fine, you just weren't pointing pkgadd to it correctly [22:41:43] <codestr0m> clergyman: do your best.. I don't think anyone will get upset at you.. there may be a few rounds of "please provide" [22:41:56] <CardFire> in the past 24 hours, I'd been told (a) use pkgadd, then (b) don't use pkgadd because it's not available for OS, then (c) it works just fine and I must have installed it wrong [22:41:59] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [22:42:02] <e^ipi> that said googling 'sysv' isn't going to turn up much, because sysv is a unix flavor, not a package format... it uses a package format though, which is commonly known as a 'sysv package' [22:42:08] <CardFire> in this IRC channel, specifically [22:42:09] <clergyman> codestr0m: Yeah that's fine, might even learn a thing or two on the way :) [22:42:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay [22:42:19] <e^ipi> CardFire: no, you're misinterpreting... [22:42:29] <CardFire> i likely am. enlighten me :-) [22:42:31] <codestr0m> clergyman: yep. that's what ends up happening [22:42:52] <e^ipi> pkgadd is the old sysv package utility. you should try not to use it. [22:43:06] *** artiflo has joined #opensolaris [22:43:07] <e^ipi> if software is distributed as a .pkg file and not in a repo, then you would use it [22:43:20] <e^ipi> and the correct syntax how to use it is documented in the manual [22:43:53] <e^ipi> it will try to look at the datastream/device in /var/spool [22:44:05] <e^ipi> you need to indicate that it ought to be looking at your .pkg file [22:45:42] <hile_> ugh.. [22:45:56] <e^ipi> hile_: hmm? [22:45:57] <hile_> this just seems so wrong.. boot archives on SPARC [22:45:59] <codestr0m> hile_: what's up? ugh? [22:46:09] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [22:46:22] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [22:50:11] *** jgracin has quit IRC [22:53:53] *** kgoetz has quit IRC [22:53:58] *** vk5foss has joined #opensolaris [22:58:30] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris [23:04:30] *** cmihai` has quit IRC [23:04:31] *** niq has joined #opensolaris [23:06:22] <wereHamster> to build a package that can be installed with pkg(1), do I use spec files and pkgtool from the CBE? [23:07:05] *** cmihai` has joined #OpenSolaris [23:08:24] <codestr0m> wereHamster: there's a couple good guides on this.. are you referencing one of them. (if not I can take a quick look in my bookmarks) [23:08:29] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris [23:09:01] <wereHamster> I tried google, but nothing meaningful came up yet [23:09:28] <codestr0m> wereHamster: sec. I'll see what I can find. [23:10:18] <TomJ> create package pkg site:blogs.sun.com # is likely to have something (not tested) [23:10:30] <houst0n-> wereHamster: there is a version of pkgtool that will publish packages to a local repo [23:10:30] <codestr0m> wereHamster: try this http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2008/08/04/playing-with-ips-and-sfe/ [23:10:38] <houst0n-> otherwise pkgtool will create you SVR4 pkgs [23:10:55] <houst0n-> Consult gman's blog =) [23:11:00] <wereHamster> codestr0m: thanks [23:11:09] <codestr0m> wereHamster: np [23:12:08] <codestr0m> wereHamster: if you can ping me with any feedback on that it would be appreciated.. I've seen it and it looks good, but I haven't followed the instructions there [23:12:26] <wereHamster> most of the guides I've read build the packages with the CBE. Is it not possible to build ips packages without the cbe (eg. with sunstudio)? [23:12:35] <houst0n-> codestr0m: I tried it ages ago - published the pkgs fine but whole thing shat itself and died when i tried to pkg install [23:12:49] <houst0n-> Lost interest around then ... [23:12:52] <codestr0m> houst0n-: that's good to know [23:12:58] <houst0n-> How does it anyway mate? [23:13:01] <houst0n-> goes* [23:13:12] <codestr0m> houst0n-: you're part of the bw team right.. how is dclarke and friends doing it? [23:13:29] <codestr0m> houst0n-: quite good.. check the hiding place and you'll see [23:13:31] <houst0n-> codestr0m: I have no idea how the ips repo was produced [23:13:38] <codestr0m> yes. magic indeed [23:13:53] <houst0n-> Dead lambs and candles, chanting into the night etc [23:13:58] <houst0n-> wereHamster: Erm .. [23:14:14] <houst0n-> to be totally honest, if you have a question such as this perhaps you should try something else first? [23:15:12] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [23:17:17] <LeftyBSD> \ [23:17:46] <codestr0m> LeftyBSD: -) ? [23:17:55] *** cchildress has quit IRC [23:18:00] <LeftyBSD> sorry, bunny attacked my keyboard [23:19:03] <codestr0m> bunny? do those come included or sold separately from BSD now? [23:21:42] <houst0n-> You can only get those from specific freebsd vending machines afaik [23:22:33] *** pgr has quit IRC [23:24:23] *** estibi has quit IRC [23:24:28] *** h3sp4wn has quit IRC [23:28:22] *** comay has quit IRC [23:36:45] *** clergyman has quit IRC [23:36:57] *** clergyman has joined #opensolaris [23:37:57] * clergyman just realised he reinstalled over the text file describing all the steps I took to get my previous installation into a decent state :) [23:38:15] <clergyman> The very file I kept for when I were to reinstall heh [23:38:28] <codestr0m> reminds clergyman of snapshots :P [23:39:25] <codestr0m> clergyman: if you document stuff like this.. it may have value to others. who knows. pastie it, blog. put it on the wiki or a wiki. etc [23:40:10] <clergyman> Yeah, I might.. But I'm just assuming this is really obvious stuff to everyone else [23:40:45] <Auralis_> but not everyone els eis a long time solaris user [23:40:51] <codestr0m> clergyman: you'd be surprised [23:41:09] <codestr0m> document and the worst thing is you don't overwrite it next time ;) [23:41:54] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [23:42:01] <clergyman> You're right, I'll make my notes available somewhere and wait for the barrage of "oh that's not how you *really* do it" emails :) [23:42:23] <codestr0m> yes, but you'll maybe learn the right way.. is that so bad? [23:43:09] <clergyman> No, but that'd mean that people that would have read my notes would have learnt the wrong way as well [23:43:34] <clergyman> It's more that than anything :) [23:43:36] <codestr0m> clergyman: yes. and if everything was perfect the first time we wouldn't be here now would we? [23:43:48] <codestr0m> put a revision tag on it :P [23:44:13] <clergyman> heheh [23:44:33] <codestr0m> ask for peer review after publishing.. [23:44:41] <codestr0m> those who care will probably give early impact [23:45:09] <clergyman> Or just put a disclaimer on it :) [23:45:09] *** blistov1 has quit IRC [23:45:40] *** jonbaer_ has joined #opensolaris [23:45:51] <clergyman> Am I right in guessing that all packages on http://www.sunfreeware.com is not available to opensolaris? [23:46:04] <clergyman> I've added the repository, and searching for 'nano', but it says it's not there, but it's available on the site [23:46:18] <codestr0m> clergyman: make sure to refresh.. and add -r [23:46:28] *** jonbaer_ has quit IRC [23:46:52] <clergyman> I did do pkg refresh [23:47:00] <codestr0m> pkg:/IPSnano at 0 dot 5.11-2.6 [23:47:24] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [23:47:25] <clergyman> I can see other IPS packages available, so at least something's working [23:47:25] <codestr0m> I'm using explicit paths.. so ignoring that.. /usr/bin/python2.4 /usr/bin/pkg search -r nano [23:47:37] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [23:48:45] <clergyman> Ah yeah, search -r nano .. and pkg install IPSnano seems to work, it's just in the packagemanager it's not showing up [23:48:59] * clergyman adds -r to the list :) [23:56:58] <e1kg> i was installed the SXCE 102 T_T [23:59:01] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [23:59:37] *** hsp has quit IRC