November 14, 2008 
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November 14, 2008 [00:04:54] *** Asako has quit IRC [00:04:58] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [00:05:59] *** TT has quit IRC [00:06:35] *** jamesd has quit IRC [00:06:47] <codestr0m> smtms: my brainfart earlier.. was longlong_t btw [00:07:08] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [00:07:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [00:07:32] *** danboid has quit IRC [00:09:13] <crichardso> anyone here using xen on opensolaris? [00:09:46] <crichardso> i am having an issue with my domUs not discovering a interface [00:09:54] *** bigjocker has quit IRC [00:12:51] <trygvis> the xen forum might be your best shot [00:13:00] <trygvis> I'm using xen, but it just work for me [00:13:27] *** zarqman has quit IRC [00:15:32] <e^ipi> virt-install sets things up sanely [00:15:41] <e^ipi> or should, anyways [00:17:48] *** yarihm has quit IRC [00:18:43] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris [00:20:21] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [00:23:26] *** Zplay has quit IRC [00:25:47] <trygvis> hmm, is it possible to pkgrm packages from a zone that is not running? [00:26:29] <Triskelios> trygvis: pkgrm -R <zone> should be safe... [00:26:49] <trygvis> yeah, except that the manual *explicitly* say that you shouldn't do that [00:27:25] <trygvis> I'm getting some odd version requirements when attaching an old zone, so I though I would just remove the packages [00:30:38] *** CRasH180 has joined #opensolaris [00:35:03] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [00:35:39] *** bigjohnto has joined #opensolaris [00:37:48] *** clergyman has quit IRC [00:39:45] *** nprice has joined #opensolaris [00:42:50] *** piwi has quit IRC [00:44:45] *** bumblebeeman has joined #opensolaris [00:45:33] <trygvis> are there any tools to update a zone's network from DHCP? [00:46:04] <trygvis> I don't mind running a tool in the global zone, but I move around and the zones tend to get stale resolv.conf etc [00:47:40] *** communicator has joined #opensolaris [00:48:09] *** rv-_ has joined #opensolaris [00:48:38] *** rv-_ has quit IRC [00:48:54] *** rv- has quit IRC [00:49:09] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris [00:49:25] *** wewek has quit IRC [00:49:51] <bimbo> hmmm seems like there's something wrong with new gnome-media-mp3... when turning up/down the volume, the current mp3 being played is slowed down [00:50:19] <bimbo> it sounds so bad... maybe something to do with my sound driver [00:50:29] *** niq has joined #opensolaris [00:50:39] <bimbo> or python? gstreamer? who knows! [00:52:07] *** fr4g has quit IRC [00:52:08] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [00:52:37] *** pumpkin_ is now known as pumpkin [00:54:16] <bumblebeeman> does anyone know how to figure out why an ethernet nic would have no link lights? I can plumb it, and give it an IP, but it won't do anything. [00:55:01] <bumblebeeman> It worked fine in snv_93, but not in snv_101. Perhaps a newer driver changed something? [00:55:06] <jamesd> either its a dead nic or bad cable or the port is turned down [00:55:06] <hecki> and ifconfig up ... [00:55:07] <bumblebeeman> Thanks in advance! [00:55:57] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [00:56:08] <bumblebeeman> I switched out the cable, and I can ifconfig up it... [00:56:24] <bumblebeeman> How can I tell if the port is down? [00:56:49] <jamesd> is it a managed switch that its plugged into? [00:56:55] <hecki> e1000g? [00:57:20] <hecki> the nic ... [00:57:23] <bumblebeeman> Yep, e1000g0, and it's plugged directly into a laptop. [00:57:29] <hecki> then it is the driver [00:57:32] <hecki> self by me [00:57:41] <hecki> change it and its stable [00:58:29] <bumblebeeman> Cool. Do you know offhand which package is responsible for the intel gigabit bits? [01:00:42] <Triskelios> bumblebeeman: use pkgchk -l -P ... [01:00:52] <hecki> b91 [01:01:27] <bumblebeeman> I haven't found the package yet, but according to Google, one of the Intel Gigabit lan's is "em0" [01:01:30] <bumblebeeman> sweet [01:02:35] <_mary_kate_> hmm, my zfs recv has hung and won't exit [01:03:31] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [01:03:47] <bumblebeeman> It was SUNWintgige! [01:04:06] <hecki> bumblebeeman:https://opensolaris.org/jive/servlet/JiveServlet/download/39-73163-282965-8002/e1000g0_drivers.tar.gz [01:04:12] <bumblebeeman> Thank you, Triskelios, hecki, jamesd! [01:04:15] <hecki> this is what you search [01:04:33] <hecki> change the file and reboot [01:04:39] <hecki> files even [01:06:05] * _mary_kate_ wishes zfs would have fewer edge-case bugs [01:06:27] <defaultro> Triskelios, you still here? [01:07:22] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC [01:07:33] <Triskelios> defaultro: yeah [01:07:44] <defaultro> or anyone. I downloaded the iso and burned it. I tried it on one of my i386 machine and it showed an error. Error 3: Bad or corrupt data while decompressing [01:07:47] <defaultro> hey [01:08:01] <defaultro> I saw the nice gui part that looks like grub [01:08:10] <defaultro> I chose the first choice [01:08:13] <Triskelios> _mary_kate_: yeah, the failure modes can be really alarmingly bad [01:08:20] <tsoome> well are u sure your iso is fine? [01:08:37] <defaultro> i downloaded the iso from opensolaris.org [01:08:41] <defaultro> it's newly burned [01:08:57] <tsoome> doesnt matter where u downloaded;) [01:09:00] <defaultro> is OS compatible with i386 machines [01:09:16] <tsoome> download may be broken, check with md5 [01:09:21] <defaultro> ok [01:09:29] <tsoome> also the write may be faulty [01:09:33] <defaultro> yeah [01:09:39] <tsoome> also your drive may be faulty [01:09:48] <defaultro> i should have used my newer burner [01:09:54] <defaultro> let me try agin [01:10:30] <tsoome> its good idea to check after burn, depending on burning software you are using [01:10:58] <bumblebeeman> k3b has an option for automatic checksum after burning, great coaster detection [01:11:26] *** crichardso has quit IRC [01:11:36] *** CRasH180 has quit IRC [01:11:47] *** kleppari has quit IRC [01:12:47] <_mary_kate_> Triskelios: any ideas how to work around this one without rebooting? [01:12:59] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [01:14:09] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [01:14:48] <defaultro> checksum is good [01:14:58] <defaultro> i'll boot it from another machine [01:16:14] <hecki> _mary_kate_ : you will breack the recv process without reboot? [01:16:46] <Triskelios> _mary_kate_: no, but you might want to get a dump of the kernel stack for someone to look at. http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=306024 sounds related [01:20:05] <_mary_kate_> wonder if it's related to this: http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-1-6764159-1 [01:20:14] <_mary_kate_> although that seems to be caused by input hanging, which it shouldn't in this case [01:22:13] <hecki> but the transfer run to the destination? [01:22:27] <_mary_kate_> no, nothing's happening. it's hung [01:22:44] <hecki> no datatransfer? [01:22:54] <_mary_kate_> no [01:22:57] <hecki> ;> [01:23:16] <_mary_kate_> the sending process exited several hours ago [01:28:21] <defaultro> OpenSolaris is AWESOME!!! Love the interface [01:28:39] <defaultro> looks like my cd drive on other machine is bad [01:28:44] <_mary_kate_> hmm, now the system seems to have hung while rebooting [01:29:12] <defaultro> so what is the easiest way to mount a solaris file system? Which do I click? [01:29:33] <defaultro> oh, the dhcp client worked as well :D [01:30:10] *** bimbo has quit IRC [01:30:56] <defaultro> is this normal after format < /dev/null, no disk found or no permission. I was expecting it since our laptop is encrypted [01:31:11] <_mary_kate_> are you root? [01:31:21] <defaultro> let me su [01:31:21] <Triskelios> pfexec format [01:31:40] <Triskelios> the live cd user has root as a profile [01:31:51] *** boyd_ is now known as boyd [01:32:06] <Triskelios> for ufs you'll have to mount from the command line [01:32:14] <defaultro> it saw, c5t0d0 [01:32:29] <defaultro> yeah, it showed now after su'ing :) [01:32:41] <defaultro> not sure though if it's seeing my laptop hdd [01:32:47] <defaultro> it's not ufs though [01:33:01] <defaultro> but it should be able to see the hardware right? [01:33:19] <Triskelios> yup [01:33:28] <defaultro> and it's on IDE [01:33:54] <defaultro> anyways, would this be the command mount -fs ufs /dev/c1t0d0 /mnt [01:34:02] <defaultro> i'm just guessing the hardware [01:34:10] <defaultro> i will only be able to see it tomorrow [01:35:08] <marko-b> anyone here a zfs guru? [01:35:22] <Triskelios> solaris mount uses -T, and you have to specify a slice (s0 probably.. check format) [01:35:30] <defaultro> k [01:35:41] <jamesd> marko-b, ask your question... and we will do our best to figure it out [01:35:52] <defaultro> so assuming c5t0d0 was a ufs, the command would be mount -T ufs /dev/c5t0d0 /mnt [01:36:03] <marko-b> so im trying to figure out the best way to build a home nas [01:36:24] <marko-b> problem with zraid is id have to wholesale replace each drive with the same size larger disk [01:36:45] <defaultro> can someone please show an output of format < /dev/null and paste to nopaste.com [01:37:01] <defaultro> this way, I will have a better understand of what to source to use [01:37:04] <marko-b> but i want performance... so can I just keep adding disks to the pool and on a directory or filesystem level specify multiple copies on stuff that is important? [01:37:32] <_mary_kate_> http://rafb.net/p/KrZpMR56.html [01:37:36] <defaultro> thanks [01:37:58] <marko-b> so one pool, i could organically throw in drives over the years of increasing size [01:38:08] <Triskelios> _mary_kate_, defaultro: whoops! yeah, -F [01:38:10] <jamesd> marko-b, if you care about your data use mirrored drives instead of raidz... [01:38:16] <marko-b> and within that one pool have some stuff that is 2x copied, or 3x copied or 1x [01:38:17] <defaultro> so mary, can you please output mount command? [01:38:26] <defaultro> just run mount and paste again [01:38:28] <_mary_kate_> what do you mean? [01:38:38] <marko-b> jamesd, why is that/ [01:38:42] <defaultro> mount command will show the mounted partitions [01:38:55] *** Cobra-the-joker has quit IRC [01:38:56] <jamesd> marko-b, zfs set copies=X pool [01:38:58] *** ToHellWithGA has joined #opensolaris [01:39:01] <_mary_kate_> defaultro: http://rafb.net/p/sbjYjd61.html [01:39:04] <defaultro> cool [01:39:15] <jamesd> marko-b, if you have a raidz pool and 2 drives die, your data is gone... [01:39:17] <marko-b> i want data protection, but also id like to be able to grow my storage just by buying a few new drives wtihout habving to rebuild the FS on all the old ones [01:39:30] <Triskelios> marko-b: if it's not redundant at all you still lose the whole pool if you lose a single disk. same problem as RAID-0 [01:39:55] <marko-b> will i even lose the stuff that was set to multiple copies/ [01:39:58] <ToHellWithGA> i don't think i understand the package manager software [01:40:06] <defaultro> mary, I got lost. I was hoping that I will be able to map your first paste to the second paste [01:40:18] <ToHellWithGA> every time i choose to update everything it makes a whole new boot environment from scratch [01:40:27] <ToHellWithGA> downloading the same set of stuff over and over [01:40:32] <ToHellWithGA> is that supposed to happen? [01:40:35] <_mary_kate_> defaultro: unlikely. the first two disks are mirrored using SVM, and the third is a QFS filesystem, which is mounted differently [01:40:46] <defaultro> so going back to your first paste, how would I mount c0t0d0 [01:40:56] <_mary_kate_> well, you wouldn't, since that's a disk, not a slice/partition [01:41:00] <defaultro> oh [01:41:07] <defaultro> how do I display the partitions on that disk then [01:41:08] <_mary_kate_> a slice would be e.g. c0t0d0s0 [01:41:15] <_mary_kate_> format; select the disk, 'part', 'print' [01:41:24] <_mary_kate_> unless you mean x86 partitions, in which case 'fdisk' instead of 'part' [01:41:33] <defaultro> it's ufs [01:41:40] <defaultro> format withouth params? [01:41:42] <_mary_kate_> then it's probably not an x86 partition [01:41:45] <_mary_kate_> yes [01:41:47] <defaultro> ok [01:42:02] <defaultro> then I will choose the disk I want to work with [01:42:09] <defaultro> then select part then print [01:42:13] <jamesd> marko-b, you should learn how varios raid options work and play out different senarios work, what happens if a drive fails, 2 drives? etc. and then make the choice based on how much you value your data vs. your budget. [01:42:18] <Triskelios> defaultro: yup [01:42:22] <defaultro> cool [01:42:27] <defaultro> I'm excited :D [01:42:46] <marko-b> james, i am familiar with that, im not familiar with how zfs would handle this crazy scenario i want [01:42:49] <defaultro> so yeah, it's possible the reason why I didn't see my laptop hdd is because I used format [01:42:56] <defaultro> i should use fdisk instead [01:43:09] <marko-b> i want one pool, with file/directory mirrors(multiple copies) but the rest would be just striped [01:43:20] <marko-b> thatway i can just add disks to it wtihout rebuilding [01:43:24] <_mary_kate_> defaultro: i didn't say fdisk instead of format, i said fdisk instead of 'part' [01:43:28] <marko-b> so 3 disks, some files are mirrored, some are not [01:43:31] <defaultro> ah [01:43:32] <defaultro> :D [01:43:33] <_mary_kate_> run format, then use the fdisk command. that will display your x86 partitions [01:43:38] <defaultro> :D thanks [01:43:41] *** bnitz1 has quit IRC [01:44:02] <_mary_kate_> (x86 partitions are what Linux, Windows, and most other OSs for x86 use. Solaris, FreeBSD and others use slices instead) [01:44:18] <defaultro> ah [01:44:20] <defaultro> :) [01:44:21] <jamesd> marko-b, multiple copies on a raidz group add nothing if a full drive is died, changes nothing... even a 100 copies of a file on a raidz pool with 2 bad drives will mean your data is gone. multiple raidz groups in a pool with multiple copies provide more safety. [01:44:24] <defaultro> tomorrow, my manager will bring his external usb drive, it should be able to see it right? [01:44:30] *** Ingvae has quit IRC [01:44:32] <_mary_kate_> yes [01:44:39] <marko-b> james, im not talking about raidz [01:44:49] <defaultro> ok, the only problem would be the file system type that was used on the usb drive [01:44:56] *** RavenSlay3r has joined #opensolaris [01:45:00] <_mary_kate_> almost certainly vfat [01:45:10] <defaultro> which I wont be able to write right? [01:45:13] <marko-b> if ive got just a normal pool, with inherent striping [01:45:16] <RavenSlay3r> is there a system file like /etc/.login that runs when the user opens a local console? [01:45:18] <Triskelios> _mary_kate_: usb enclosures tend to use ntfs... [01:45:18] <_mary_kate_> you can read and write it. mount it as 'pcfs' [01:45:20] <reinis> ech, opensolaris freezes while I'm trying to install in vmware [01:45:30] <ToHellWithGA> _mary_kate_: can they all be made to get along in a dual boot scenario? [01:45:30] <defaultro> ok, is write experimental? [01:45:31] <marko-b> and i set multiple copies, will the files that are multiple copied survive a single disk failure of that pool [01:45:44] <_mary_kate_> Triskelios: hmm, those things where it's a SATA drive with a USB plug? [01:45:51] <Triskelios> defaultro: for pcfs write is not experimental (although it may be a bit slow) [01:45:55] <_mary_kate_> defaultro: no, vfat has been supported for like 15 years [01:45:56] <defaultro> got it [01:46:00] <defaultro> :D [01:46:07] <Triskelios> _mary_kate_: yeah... [01:46:16] <defaultro> ok, I will just have to connect it to my laptop then ftp it [01:46:19] <_mary_kate_> hmm, in that case the FSWmisc ntfs driver would probably work [01:46:23] <_mary_kate_> (which is read-only) [01:46:30] <reinis> has anyone installed opensolaris in vmware here? [01:46:41] <Triskelios> _mary_kate_: that'll work, but doesn't help for doing a backup to the drive [01:47:10] <defaultro> where does OS install when using livecd? amazing since it's cd [01:47:17] <defaultro> install applicatoins [01:47:22] <_mary_kate_> ram disk [01:47:28] <defaultro> ok [01:48:06] *** BBHoss has joined #opensolaris [01:48:09] *** bnitz1 has joined #opensolaris [01:49:22] <defaultro> it did see the NTFS partition [01:49:27] *** stux is now known as stux|away [01:49:41] <defaultro> the question was scary though :) Disk is not labeled. Do you want to label it now? :P [01:50:25] *** m1dn1ght has joined #opensolaris [01:51:24] <Triskelios> defaultro: yeah, format assumes you want to work with a solaris disk label (the thing that stores the slice info) [01:51:42] <defaultro> can you please capture a screenshot of format after selecting print? [01:52:00] <defaultro> I would like to see the slices that can be mounted. This way, I know if my mount params are correct [01:53:19] *** hecki has quit IRC [01:53:20] <Triskelios> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1255714 [01:53:24] <defaultro> cool [01:53:35] <m1dn1ght> is opensolaris some kind of addon for internet explorer? [01:53:47] <Triskelios> is m1dn1ght some kind of troll? [01:53:54] <defaultro> why pfexec? [01:54:25] <Triskelios> defaultro: to get privileges to access the disk, since I'm not root [01:54:42] <defaultro> got it [01:54:49] *** dmsuperman has joined #opensolaris [01:55:00] <dmsuperman> Wow! It's so big in here! [01:55:01] <defaultro> i don't see the slices like /tmp, /var, /usr. Where are they? [01:55:05] <Triskelios> like sudo, but with finer grained controls [01:55:06] *** _teo_ has quit IRC [01:55:31] <Triskelios> defaultro: oh, I don't use ufs on this system; I just have one slice for the whole zfs pool [01:55:40] <defaultro> ah [01:55:45] <_mary_kate_> i've never seen /tmp as a slice, and most people don't bother with /usr nowadays [01:55:48] <defaultro> so tomorrow, I should be able to see the ufs correct? [01:55:53] <_mary_kate_> although /var is not uncommon [01:56:06] <Triskelios> /tmp is a RAM disk by default [01:56:13] <defaultro> how will it look like when I press print if it was ufs? [01:56:52] <dvz> use fstyp command [01:56:53] <Triskelios> defaultro: some of the "unassigned" bits will have labels (slice 2 is reserved to mean the whole disk) [01:57:03] <defaultro> ah [01:57:09] <defaultro> awesome [01:57:20] <defaultro> omg, I forgot, I have a change control [01:57:21] <defaultro> LOL [01:57:33] <defaultro> let me do it first and brb after 1.5 hours :P [01:57:40] *** dmsuperman has left #opensolaris [01:57:47] *** Aredridel has quit IRC [01:59:12] <ToHellWithGA> does the "update all" button in the package manager do something other than update outdated software? [01:59:46] <ToHellWithGA> it seems to download the same amount of data every time i click [02:00:11] <ToHellWithGA> the result seems more like "replace all" [02:01:43] <defaultro> oh, while my laptop is rebooting, I also would like to use opensolaris to access the Windows box. How do I mount the ntfs drive? Is there any package I need? [02:02:04] *** mega has quit IRC [02:02:31] <Triskelios> defaultro: FSWfsmisc from belenix [02:02:36] <defaultro> ok [02:02:51] *** niq has quit IRC [02:03:02] <defaultro> so all I have to do is save that in a cd then access the cd [02:03:11] <ToHellWithGA> did i miss out on the club handshake? [02:03:38] <ToHellWithGA> i don't expect y'all to drop everything and address my problems, but i feel like nobody even read my lines [02:03:55] <Triskelios> ToHellWithGA: nah, I'm not familiar enough with the pkg gui to answer your question [02:04:01] <ToHellWithGA> ok [02:04:07] <ToHellWithGA> is there a CLI package manager? [02:04:13] <Triskelios> ToHellWithGA: yes, 'pkg' [02:04:19] <ToHellWithGA> right on, thanks [02:04:31] *** codestr0m has quit IRC [02:05:03] <Triskelios> ToHellWithGA: #os200805 might also be helpful [02:05:28] <defaultro> This one right, http://www.belenix.org/distributions/belenix_site/binfiles/FSWfsmisc.tar.gz [02:05:36] <ToHellWithGA> right on, i'll check that out Triskelios [02:05:43] <ToHellWithGA> thanks for saying hi [02:05:49] <ToHellWithGA> .me leaves [02:05:51] *** ToHellWithGA has left #opensolaris [02:06:17] *** codestr0m has joined #opensolaris [02:06:37] <Triskelios> defaultro: yeah, there's a README since unmounting is a bit weird [02:06:47] <defaultro> k [02:07:00] <defaultro> you mean, dangerous when umounting? [02:08:26] <defaultro> there is no readme on tar.gz [02:09:47] <Triskelios> http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/binfiles/README.FSWfsmisc.txt [02:09:47] <defaultro> found a good one, http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/binfiles/README.FSWfsmisc.txt [02:09:54] <defaultro> LOL :D [02:11:11] <defaultro> thanks again, brb [02:12:13] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [02:12:46] *** bacon000 has quit IRC [02:14:47] <bumblebeeman> eep! It appears changing the Intel gigabit bits still doesn't fix it... [02:15:11] <bumblebeeman> does anyone know if something else changed dramatically, for the Intel gigabit bits? [02:15:43] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC [02:16:38] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [02:16:48] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [02:17:46] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris [02:18:05] *** dvz has quit IRC [02:18:33] *** stevel_ has quit IRC [02:18:35] *** m1dn1ght has left #opensolaris [02:22:28] *** clyons has quit IRC [02:24:58] *** bnitz1 has quit IRC [02:25:02] *** photon_chac has joined #opensolaris [02:25:50] *** clyons has joined #opensolaris [02:29:38] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [02:35:07] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [02:36:28] <Fullmoon> 2008.11 is 101a? [02:37:26] <galen> Fullmoon: Yes [02:37:38] <Chipdancer> Fullmoon: based on [02:37:49] <Chipdancer> Fullmoon: includes new packaging system and other stuff [02:38:03] <galen> Anybody know of something to mount HFS+ volumes under OS 2008.11? [02:38:17] <Fullmoon> Chipdancer: What? New Packaging system? Was happened from PKG? [02:38:23] <Fullmoon> from _> with [02:38:34] <Chipdancer> nothing, but it's not standard in SXCE [02:38:55] <Chipdancer> I was just pointing out that it's not exactly 101a, it's just based on it [02:39:00] <Triskelios> I think Fullmoon expected just a yes/no =P [02:39:26] <Chipdancer> Triskelios: oh well, binary equation like that makes me itchy [02:40:29] <galen> Anybody on mounting HFS+? [02:41:33] <Triskelios> galen: someone was working on a driver, didn't finish... [02:42:42] <pumpkin> galen: if you don't mind just accessing it, a friend of mine wrote a library (and little program I think) that does everything [02:42:54] <Fullmoon> galen: You could always use ZFS from the mac with the ZFS write preview from ACD [02:42:57] <Fullmoon> ADC actualy [02:43:10] <galen> pumpkin: yeah, that would be interesting [02:43:22] <galen> the scenario is just a lot of GBs on HFS+ drives that are being moved to ZFS [02:43:30] <pumpkin> http://github.com/planetbeing/libdmg-hfsplus/tree/master in pure c [02:43:47] <pumpkin> not sure how efficient it is, but it's a clear, open implementation of hfs+ in c [02:45:59] <benley> galen: personally, I would use a mac and a solaris box and move the data over the network [02:46:11] <galen> hmmm [02:46:22] <Chipdancer> benley: that's what I'm doing [02:46:31] <galen> benley: issue is that i'm having a horrible time getting throughput from OS X to soalris where I want [02:46:37] <benley> galen: are you using nfs? [02:46:41] <galen> yes. [02:46:49] <benley> the macos nfs client has HORRIBLE performance with solaris nfs servers [02:46:54] <Chipdancer> galen: if using HFS+ is critically important (such as in time machine data), then just export a zvol via iSCSI and use the SNS iSCSI initiator [02:46:55] <galen> i knowwwwwwwww [02:47:01] <benley> you could use rsync :) [02:47:05] <galen> no, that's not the issue here [02:47:18] <galen> ssh pegs my cpu before it saturates the link [02:47:28] <galen> i suppose hpn ssh with clear cipher is an option [02:47:31] <benley> use rsync without ssh? [02:47:40] <benley> tar and netcat? [02:47:41] <Chipdancer> use cifs? [02:48:00] <galen> rsync without ssh is a possibility, perhaps i should setup rsync as a service on solaris? [02:48:10] <benley> galen: running rsyncd is pretty trivial [02:48:10] <galen> really, i want efficient remote access [02:48:22] <Chipdancer> galen: give the in kernel cifs server a go [02:48:27] <benley> CIFS seems to be the way to go to access a solaris fileserver from macos. [02:48:31] <Chipdancer> galen: I'm using it from mac over gigabit and it seems to perform prety well [02:48:34] <galen> yeah, that's what i am going to try out next [02:48:35] <benley> (which is somewhat sad, but oh well) [02:48:44] <galen> i have done it in the past and it's good, but it's not all the way there [02:48:45] <Fullmoon> CIFS works great with OS X clients [02:48:59] <Chipdancer> Fullmoon: great...hrmm.. adequate, I would say [02:48:59] <galen> nfs drives me crazy, i get GREAT throughput, then it drops to zero [02:49:12] <Chipdancer> management of permissions and posix ACLs leaves a lot to be desired so far [02:49:13] <galen> repeating over and over, every few seconds [02:49:29] <bda> NFS backed by what? [02:49:31] <galen> SAMBA gets about 40-45 MB/sec [02:49:42] <Fullmoon> Chipdancer: You are of course right, I was speaking just of the throughput [02:49:43] <Chipdancer> galen: who uses SAMBA on solaris anymore? [02:49:44] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [02:49:48] <galen> In-kernel CIFS (i believe that was what i had on my last install) hits around 80 MB/sec [02:49:51] <Fullmoon> Chipdancer: And ease of use, maybe [02:49:54] <Chipdancer> Fullmoon: yeah, throughput is good [02:50:02] <galen> NFS beats kernel CIFS and SAMBA though... [02:50:13] <galen> it easily can fill my whole link (110 MB/sec) [02:50:18] *** wesw has quit IRC [02:50:22] <galen> but the stupid OS X nfs driver is so bad [02:50:32] <galen> it picks up speed, then drops down, then picks up again, repeating over and over [02:50:49] <jamesd> galen, it can't be as bad as linux's nfs drivers [02:50:52] <galen> i've tried almost every imaginable tweak to the command line [02:51:03] <galen> i should show you the network activity chart [02:51:07] <galen> 100 MB/sec for 2 seconds [02:51:11] <galen> 1 second nothing [02:51:15] <galen> repeat over and over [02:51:58] *** dunc has quit IRC [02:51:58] <galen> I'm going to follow-up with Apple on the bug report I filed long ago [02:52:23] <galen> But I really want to setup another system that I can use to test and prove my server's not at fault [02:53:25] <benley> galen: it's a bad interaction between osx and solaris, [02:53:39] <galen> yeah, but i have apple engineers ready to dig into it! [02:53:40] <benley> galen: osx as a nfs client to a netapp filer seems to work pretty well [02:53:43] <galen> not that they'll fix it [02:53:44] <benley> galen: even kerberized [02:53:50] <benley> galen: so yeah, please do have apple fix it :) [02:54:13] <galen> my experience is that i file a bug report and 3 years later apple emails me incessantly telling me its fixed and they want me to confirm [02:54:51] <galen> could i replace the NFS server under solaris? [02:55:16] <benley> probably not, and you probably don't want to [02:56:32] *** RElling1 has joined #opensolaris [02:57:02] <benley> you'd be better off replacing the nfs client on macos :) [02:57:15] <galen> I'm open to suggestions!! [02:58:52] <CIA-34> lipeng sang - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Lipeng.Sang at Sun dot COM>: 6764961 remove vtdaemon and VT addtional console-login instances from the generic profiles [02:58:56] <benley> galen: use cifs :) [02:59:16] <galen> are there options to optimize it on the client or server side? [02:59:29] <galen> also, does installing the CIFS kernel require a reboot? [02:59:43] <galen> i mean.. i'd expect that, but solaris has some special magic sometimes.... [03:01:18] <Triskelios> uh, newer builds have CIFS builtin, you don't usually use a special kernel [03:01:44] <galen> oh? i thought the package wasn't checked under OS 2008.11RC1 [03:03:55] *** RElling has quit IRC [03:08:13] *** echolink1833 has joined #opensolaris [03:10:26] *** Odin- has quit IRC [03:11:53] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [03:13:53] *** Fullmoon_ has joined #opensolaris [03:14:46] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [03:16:48] *** cast has joined #opensolaris [03:17:55] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [03:28:36] <defaultro> hi folks. Does the opensolaris livecd work on ultrasparc? [03:29:03] *** cast has quit IRC [03:29:51] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [03:30:27] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [03:30:35] <elektronkind> no, opensolaris for x86-only for the time. there is a sparc version in the works [03:30:44] <defaultro> got it. Thanks [03:31:12] *** prav33n has quit IRC [03:31:22] *** victori_ has quit IRC [03:31:43] <defaultro> am I correct that our Sunfire 40z is i386 based? [03:32:08] <elektronkind> V40z is dual or quad opteron (socket 940) [03:32:30] <defaultro> ok, opensolaris should work well on it right? [03:32:35] <elektronkind> definitely [03:32:39] <defaultro> cool :D [03:33:23] *** Fullmoon_ has quit IRC [03:34:59] *** victori has joined #opensolaris [03:36:46] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [03:37:56] <defaultro> where is ram disk mounted? [03:38:02] <defaultro> I need to untar a file [03:40:48] <jamesd> /tmp is a ram/swap based filesystem usually... [03:41:12] <jamesd> but really df -h can tell you where space is availible [03:44:44] <defaultro> k [03:55:05] <defaultro> oh, where can I find the ip address settings? Can we modify the files in /etc? [03:55:25] <jamesd> ipconfig [03:55:28] <jamesd> yes [03:55:41] <defaultro> cool [03:56:23] <defaultro> so if I wanted a static, I should just execute ipconfig. It's because there isn't any dhcp server. [03:56:44] <jamesd> just run sys-unconfig and reconfigure the network. [03:56:55] <defaultro> ok, let me take note of that :D [03:57:05] <defaultro> thanks [03:57:07] <jamesd> man sys-unconfig for more info on what it does [04:03:19] *** jgracin has quit IRC [04:19:42] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris [04:25:20] *** T_B_ has joined #opensolaris [04:29:49] <defaultro> hi james, I tried sys-unconfig and it returned me with a "This program cannot be run in diskless or dataless." I'm using Live CD [04:30:06] <defaultro> also, which files are being used for ip address? [04:30:29] <defaultro> it's currently configured as DHCP, where do I check it [04:31:08] <defaultro> is it /etc/inet/ipnodes [04:31:12] <jamesd> not sure what you are using for an OS/distro... you may need to seek the FAQ or the website of that distro [04:31:26] *** rv- has quit IRC [04:31:55] <defaultro> opensolaris live cd [04:32:55] *** dburge has joined #opensolaris [04:32:59] <defaultro> found it, http://blogs.sun.com/natarajan/entry/setting_up_static_ip_and [04:34:49] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC [04:37:06] <Triskelios> defaultro: http://blogs.sun.com/PlasticPixel/entry/nwam_static_ip_address_for also works [04:38:52] <lkthomas> guys, how could I disable snmpd process ? [04:39:19] <defaultro> ok [04:40:05] <defaultro> i was able to put my static but when I type svcadm restart milestone/network, nothing happened. Still no ip [04:40:06] <lkthomas> I try to disable sma [04:40:11] <lkthomas> but snmpd still running [04:40:34] *** comay has quit IRC [04:40:54] <defaultro> I'll try the one you gave [04:41:03] *** dvoich has joined #opensolaris [04:41:19] <Triskelios> lkthomas: the service is snmpdx [04:42:16] <lkthomas> # svcadm disable snmpdx [04:42:17] <lkthomas> # ps -ef | grep snmp [04:42:17] <lkthomas> root 18927 1 0 11:45:36 ? 0:00 /usr/lib/dmi/snmpXdmid -s test [04:42:17] <lkthomas> root 18933 1 0 11:45:37 ? 0:00 /usr/sfw/sbin/snmpd [04:42:17] <lkthomas> root 16499 18313 0 11:49:22 pts/6 0:00 grep snmp [04:42:17] <lkthomas> root 18919 1 0 11:45:36 ? 0:00 /usr/lib/snmp/snmpdx -y -c /etc/snmp/conf [04:42:47] <defaultro> what about the gateway Triskelios? [04:42:50] <Triskelios> lkthomas: make sure it's not in maintenance? [04:43:15] <lkthomas> svcs | grep snmp, found nothing [04:43:28] *** T_B has quit IRC [04:44:22] <Triskelios> defaultro: think it still uses /etc/defaultrouter [04:45:38] <Plazma> wow, pastebins are obviously outdated these days.. [04:45:47] <lkthomas> Triskelios, any idea ? [04:47:09] <defaultro> ok [04:47:31] <defaultro> I followed the steps on the link you gave to me then executed svcadm restart svc:/network/physical:nwam, still no ip [04:47:40] <defaultro> the interface isn't showing anymore [04:49:07] <defaultro> sorry, it worked. A window just popped up after a minute [04:49:20] <defaultro> :) [04:51:02] <Triskelios> lkthomas: svcs -p will list any processes belonging to a service [04:51:31] <lkthomas> grep snmp, show nothing [04:52:29] <defaultro> the /etc/defaultrouter didn't work [04:53:21] <defaultro> but accdg from this doc, it's the right one, http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/beyond_dhcp_with_dns_and [04:53:44] <lkthomas> ok, why is it show nothing but the service still running ? [04:53:46] <defaultro> oh, pfexec svcadm restart network/routing-setup [04:55:00] <defaultro> it worked :D [04:55:10] <lkthomas> anyone ? [04:55:12] <lkthomas> help guys [04:55:15] <lkthomas> how come can't kill snmpd ? [04:55:25] <lkthomas> I try to use kill -9 and still reenable after that [04:55:36] <lkthomas> svcs show no process is running that service at all [04:56:55] <defaultro> do a netstat -na|grep 161 or 162 [04:57:21] <lkthomas> rebooting , wait [04:57:36] *** ra1 has quit IRC [04:57:48] *** ra1 has joined #opensolaris [04:58:10] *** BBHoss has quit IRC [04:58:39] *** sponix has quit IRC [04:58:46] <CIA-34> jv227347 <Jordan.Vaughan at Sun dot com>: 6737983 Need MDB dmcd and zones mode for tabulating ZSD info [05:00:31] *** KOHJU has quit IRC [05:00:35] *** dvoich has left #opensolaris [05:00:39] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris [05:03:24] <defaultro> what could I be missing, resolv.conf is still not being read [05:03:35] <defaultro> i can ping any public ip address [05:03:37] <jbk> nsswitch.con ? [05:03:39] <jbk> conf [05:03:46] <defaultro> oh, i need to modify that? [05:03:52] <jbk> possibly [05:03:53] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris [05:03:56] <defaultro> ok, let me see [05:04:00] <jbk> or just cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf [05:05:46] <defaultro> oh [05:06:00] <defaultro> so is .dns kinda like an example file? [05:07:31] <defaultro> i modified .conf and added dns after files in host and it worked :D Thanks for that [05:07:43] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris [05:09:03] <defaultro> do you guys watch fringe? [05:09:53] *** zahna has left #opensolaris [05:12:58] *** proberts has quit IRC [05:13:36] <defaultro> I'm having an issue installing FSWpart. It says Not enough space to backup. Again, I'm doing it as Live CD [05:13:52] <defaultro> i extracted it in /tmp/FSW [05:15:53] <lkthomas> ok, this is stupid [05:15:58] <lkthomas> after reboot, snmpd still running [05:16:34] <Triskelios> lkthomas: init script? [05:16:53] <lkthomas> nevermind [05:16:54] *** sp|ck has joined #opensolaris [05:17:00] <lkthomas> seems it is running but not using port 161 [05:17:14] <defaultro> Triskelios, do you know how I can fix my error? [05:17:30] <defaultro> i checked google and someone said to check /var but I have 1.4g alloted [05:17:36] <Triskelios> defaultro: not sure if the ram disk is out of space or some part of the fs is read-only... [05:18:31] <Triskelios> defaultro: guess you could also extract the files from the package with pkgtrans [05:19:14] <defaultro> found the culprit [05:19:20] <defaultro> sadm is only 8.1m left [05:19:21] <defaultro> :D [05:19:33] <defaultro> i'll copy it to somewhere and make symbolic link [05:26:04] *** iomud has joined #opensolaris [05:30:03] <defaultro> i was able to correct the other errors by recreating the symlink. However, I'm now faced with another issue and that is writing to /usr which has 0k available [05:30:47] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [05:36:56] <sp|ck> anyone have any experience working with direct connected fiber channel storage arrays with opensolaris? [05:42:26] <defaultro> wow, i'll be in trouble tomorrow :D [05:42:51] <defaultro> <Triskelios> defaultro: guess you could also extract the files from the package with pkgtrans [05:43:01] <defaultro> what do you mean by that? [05:45:38] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [05:47:35] *** fr4g has quit IRC [05:48:09] <defaultro> anyone please, how I will be able to install FSWpart on a live cd mode? [05:50:42] *** cchapman has joined #opensolaris [05:57:47] <sp|ck> defaultro... what are you trying to actually do [05:57:48] *** kohju has quit IRC [05:57:52] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris [05:58:03] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [05:58:05] *** master_of_master has quit IRC [05:58:50] <CIA-34> ying tian - Beijing China <Ying.Tian at Sun dot COM>: 6732166 ahci driver doesn't work for ATI SB700 AHCI chipset (ASUS M3A-H/HDMI), 6764179 SATA AHCI doesn't work on ATI SB750 chipset [05:58:50] <CIA-34> jv227347 <Jordan.Vaughan at Sun dot com>: 6728789 Accidentally entering revert of non-existent zone during zone configuration goes into a loop [05:59:18] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [06:02:20] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [06:05:34] *** mib_pbki22 has joined #opensolaris [06:05:53] *** mib_pbki22 has left #opensolaris [06:05:59] *** mib_pbki22 has joined #opensolaris [06:09:45] *** Tobbe|autoaway is now known as Tobbe [06:11:01] *** Tobbe is now known as Tobbe|autoaway [06:11:53] *** mikl has quit IRC [06:13:22] *** iomud has left #opensolaris [06:14:03] *** kohju has quit IRC [06:14:11] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris [06:15:09] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [06:16:05] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [06:16:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay [06:17:08] *** blargman has joined #opensolaris [06:19:43] <blargman> if i've got a machine that X won't load on. how do i get into it? it brings up a console login, but it keeps locking up when i try to use it [06:22:58] <defaultro> <sp|ck> defaultro... what are you trying to actually do [06:23:03] <defaultro> sorry, i'm back [06:23:45] <defaultro> are you still there? I was trying to install FSWPart on my opensolaris livecd [06:27:03] <blargman> oh geez, simple as pie, duh, thanks [06:27:07] *** blargman has quit IRC [06:27:51] <defaultro> lol, crying baby [06:28:17] <defaultro> those are the people who are new to irc :D hehehe [06:28:38] <defaultro> they don't realize that help here is free. So blargman, wait, duh [06:29:27] <e^ipi> help here is a friendly pointer to the docs [06:29:33] <e^ipi> which are free [06:29:38] <e^ipi> so yes, help is free [06:29:50] <lkthomas> e^ipi, do you use sun management center ? [06:29:51] *** gm152 has quit IRC [06:29:59] <e^ipi> no, because it's atrocious [06:30:05] <jbk> haha [06:30:11] <jbk> what version did you try? [06:30:26] <lkthomas> now ? [06:30:27] <lkthomas> 4.0 [06:31:07] <lkthomas> e^ipi, is there have any easier method to allow user restart their zone without asking us to do so ? [06:31:17] <lkthomas> I am really getting tired for this [06:31:23] <e^ipi> logging in to it and using 'shutdown' ? [06:31:42] <lkthomas> does zone default policy is always on ? [06:31:46] <defaultro> i now have solution to mounting NTFS, I'll be using knoppix. For UFS, i'll be using opensolaris [06:32:13] <e^ipi> defaultro: you know that there's an ntfs-3g driver for solaris, right? [06:32:14] <jbk> i liked the stuff the enhanced snmp agents did w/ sunmc [06:32:19] <jbk> but the gui had problems [06:32:27] <jbk> and the agent install could have been better [06:32:33] <defaultro> yes [06:32:49] <defaultro> but am on a different situation. I need to access the drives from a live cd [06:32:49] <lkthomas> I am getting headache with the sunmc [06:32:54] <lkthomas> when I login, no application shows [06:33:02] <lkthomas> I did install container manager [06:33:08] <defaultro> hi lkthomas, i see you everywhere, hahaha [06:33:09] <lkthomas> but it does not show up [06:33:14] <lkthomas> :) [06:33:39] <defaultro> i can't believe, this is my 13th year using irc [06:33:44] <lkthomas> woo [06:34:46] <lkthomas> jdk: so you do have experience with sunmc ? [06:34:56] <e^ipi> huh, you've got me beat by a year [06:35:12] <jbk> lkthomas: several years ago w/ 3.5 [06:35:23] <lkthomas> jdk: ok [06:35:30] <lkthomas> I am using java console [06:35:30] <jbk> to try to get better hw monitoring of our sun stuff (vs. syslog scraping) [06:35:45] <lkthomas> I can't do anything at all [06:35:50] <lkthomas> when I click module browser [06:35:57] <lkthomas> it said unable to load module info [06:37:42] *** cchapman has quit IRC [06:38:29] <jbk> though fma in solaris 10 takes care of most of that.. [06:38:47] <lkthomas> doing debug [06:38:51] <lkthomas> snmp request timed out [06:41:21] *** anilg has quit IRC [06:41:39] *** PicCard has quit IRC [06:44:38] *** MattMan_ has joined #opensolaris [06:45:11] *** MattMan_ has quit IRC [06:49:18] *** sbahra[] has joined #opensolaris [06:53:48] *** Samy has quit IRC [06:56:21] *** praks has joined #opensolaris [06:59:58] *** MattMan has quit IRC [07:01:59] <praks> hi all, i am trying to attach a zone onto a global using ... zonecfg -z newzone ; create -a <detached-zoneroot> and the new zone shows up as configured . after doing this ... i want to change the zonecfg info to modify some fs parametres .. using a script ... can i do a zonecfg -z newzone -f /new-zonecfg [07:06:01] *** praks has quit IRC [07:07:36] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [07:08:07] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [07:11:14] *** root_demo1 has joined #opensolaris [07:11:43] <root_demo1> ?hello people [07:13:09] *** root_demo1 is now known as root_demon [07:14:16] *** root_demon has quit IRC [07:19:53] *** pjama has joined #opensolaris [07:20:46] *** erflungued has joined #opensolaris [07:29:44] *** comay has quit IRC [07:33:08] *** jareq has joined #opensolaris [07:33:15] *** jareq has left #opensolaris [07:40:52] *** eye_pee has joined #opensolaris [07:41:02] <eye_pee> hello people [07:42:12] <eye_pee> so, I've never used solaris before. pretty excited when i found out sun was releasing an open source version, just never got around to trying it. what's every ones opinion of it? [07:42:43] <moazamraja> ... [07:42:46] <moazamraja> it's #opensolaris [07:42:58] <moazamraja> what is your guess on folks opinion ? :) [07:43:31] <eye_pee> well, obviously if you're in an opensolaris irc channel, it's probably positive. [07:43:50] * eye_pee shrugs [07:43:57] <eye_pee> just making conversation :-( [07:46:49] *** div13 has joined #opensolaris [07:50:10] <erflungued> Asking about difference between solaris <==> opensolaris or linux <==> opensolaris or windows <==> opensolaris ?? [07:53:58] <eye_pee> nope, not asking for a comparison. just asking what'cha think. any opinion at all. the first thing that pops into your head. [07:58:44] <CIA-34> sonam gupta - Sun Microsystems - Bangalore India <Sonam.Gupta at Sun dot COM>: 6720586 "nobanner" entry gets added when using "-i" with lp [08:00:54] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [08:00:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [08:00:56] <erflungued> Like everything IT. The first thing off your head is: It depends. [08:02:46] <erflungued> If you are expecting bluetooth on your desktop :-( If you are after a robust filesystem :-) [08:09:49] *** Tobbe|autoaway is now known as Tobbe [08:10:07] *** luna1 has joined #opensolaris [08:12:00] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris [08:12:15] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris [08:14:36] *** defaultro has quit IRC [08:18:16] <eye_pee> well, I wouldn't expect many bells and whistles from an operating system built for business class systems. I'm more interested in what A) your personal beefs are with the OS, and B) what reasons you have for picking it out from the zombie horde if *nix OS's. [08:21:15] <moazamraja> eye_pee: debugging wise, i dont think anything beats Solaris/OpenSolaris [08:21:44] <eye_pee> really? does it have it's own GDB type of tools? [08:21:44] <moazamraja> i.e., if you're trying to figure out why your app is not working, or why something is running slow, what area is your app spending the most time, etc. [08:21:48] <moazamraja> yes [08:22:04] <moazamraja> pstack/prstat/mdb/dbx, and of course, dtrace [08:22:04] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [08:22:09] <erflungued> Loadable kernel modules are cool. [08:22:15] <eye_pee> nice [08:22:37] <moazamraja> eye_pee: from an application developer/administrator perspective, that's huge [08:22:59] <eye_pee> definitely. [08:23:00] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [08:23:46] <e^ipi> also the matter that it's actually designed and not slapped together haphazardly like some common OS's [08:24:13] <eye_pee> heh, yeah....*cough*linux*cough* [08:25:05] <eye_pee> ?anyone here running opensolaris on anything other than x86 hardware? [08:25:13] <e^ipi> sparc [08:25:44] <e^ipi> it's about the only thing that does run decent on sparc [08:25:47] <eye_pee> nice. what's your opinion of sparc vs. intel? [08:25:59] <e^ipi> sparc is more elegant, but it's slower [08:26:10] <e^ipi> sparc has crazy throughput though [08:26:21] <erflungued> sparc is fine as long as you are not doing lots of floating point - like SSL [08:26:22] <eye_pee> i can imagine. I'm sure sun has taken a lot of time to optimize the code for that cpu [08:26:49] <Stric> erflungued: niagara.. [08:27:02] <e^ipi> sparc is also pretty expensive [08:27:16] <eye_pee> yeah, i know. [08:27:31] <erflungued> sunblade 150 :-( [08:27:37] <eye_pee> I've been drooling over Sun's mobile workstation for years. [08:28:38] *** _mary_kate_ has quit IRC [08:28:59] *** JBapt has joined #opensolaris [08:29:26] <eye_pee> do you think opensolaris runs better (faster) on intel architecture? [08:30:29] <Stric> depending on what you do, but usually stuff runs faster on a faster cpu [08:30:45] <hrist> heh [08:30:52] <e^ipi> i see your blade 150, and raise you a cyrix 6x86 [08:31:07] <JBapt> not always stric [08:31:13] <JBapt> if you mean faster as in Mhz per Mhz [08:31:20] *** consanguinity has joined #opensolaris [08:31:21] <hrist> e^ipi: TI 89 Titanium? :p [08:31:39] <Stric> JBapt: I said "usually" and "faster".. not "always" and "higher MHz" ;) [08:32:08] <trochej> Coffee [08:32:44] <bumblebeeman> TI 89 Itanium [08:32:58] <hrist> no, Motorola ;) [08:33:20] *** Gman has quit IRC [08:33:24] *** nprice has quit IRC [08:33:33] <JBapt> all and all the x86 is probably the worst architecture to run a server [08:33:33] *** nprice has joined #opensolaris [08:33:36] <JBapt> but thats just me [08:34:01] <xRaich[o]2x> trochej: you are reading my thoughts again [08:34:16] <e^ipi> JBapt: it's cheap and it's fast enough [08:34:25] <e^ipi> that said, i'd still rather play with niagra [08:34:40] <JBapt> well ipi, but some of us [08:34:45] <JBapt> can't afford downtime [08:34:52] <JBapt> ;) [08:35:04] <JBapt> but yes, very cheap [08:35:10] <JBapt> and you get the best bang for the bucks [08:35:56] <Stric> like it's been said many times before.. "it depends" [08:36:52] <Stric> and x86 servers can be very stable too.. just don't take a 3 year old dusty desktop pc and expect it to be server grade.. [08:37:36] <JBapt> not talking about the hardware degrading, but the archicture [08:37:50] <JBapt> and the ability to scale it up and service it [08:38:25] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [08:39:17] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris [08:39:36] <JBapt> and security as well. [08:39:54] <Stric> as in "security by obscurity"? [08:39:55] <JBapt> apparently there is a new kind of zero day exploit again using memory alignments [08:39:56] <moazamraja> with intels multi-core cpus...it's just cheaper to run x86 and get good performance [08:39:58] <JBapt> no no [08:40:16] <JBapt> and the sun archicture, even the ultrasparc II protects you from that [08:40:17] <moazamraja> i have a $500 laptop with dual cores, 3GB RAM and a 250GB HD [08:40:23] <JBapt> another example [08:40:30] <moazamraja> runs OpenSolaris b101, LCD is turned off, whisper quiet [08:40:41] <JBapt> the NX features that only came to the x86 [08:40:41] <moazamraja> great machine to putz with zones, dtrace, testing, etc. [08:40:46] <JBapt> about a couple of years a go? [08:41:03] <JBapt> hot swapping cpus? mem? [08:41:17] <moazamraja> at the workstation level, ppl aren't do that [08:41:23] <consanguinity> and the neat UltraSPARC I feature that let any user crash the system when it's run in 64-bit mode [08:41:29] <moazamraja> and hot swapping on the server side is on higher end sparc boxes [08:41:33] <JBapt> ultraspac1 ? [08:41:35] <JBapt> ok [08:41:37] <JBapt> lets talk pentium [08:41:42] <JBapt> that couldnt even do maths?! [08:41:44] <JBapt> lol [08:41:47] <moazamraja> *sigh* [08:41:50] <trochej> Uhm [08:41:51] <moazamraja> that battle is over [08:41:51] <Stric> JBapt: a system can be designed so you can take out any machine and service it without interruptions.. [08:42:00] <trochej> Do we need to go through this AGAIN? [08:42:00] <Stric> (system as in "group of computers") [08:42:19] <JBapt> and throughput strict? [08:42:24] <JBapt> you are limited in a cluster :) [08:42:47] <JBapt> well, we are always limited, but its just how high you can do [08:42:58] <moazamraja> add more nodes to the cluster? :/ [08:43:12] <JBapt> how do clusters connecto to each other? [08:43:16] <moazamraja> *sigh* [08:43:18] *** HadBrains has joined #opensolaris [08:43:29] <moazamraja> how do cpus connect to each other, and to memory [08:43:33] <JBapt> well [08:43:36] <JBapt> a LOT faster [08:43:42] <JBapt> then what is nowadays available [08:43:42] <moazamraja> there are always connection points, always bottlenecks [08:43:48] <JBapt> to connect a couple of servers [08:43:57] <moazamraja> JBapt: you're right, google is out of their minds with this cluster stuff [08:44:02] <JBapt> and you will pay more [08:44:13] <JBapt> moazamraja its a question of balance [08:44:18] <moazamraja> of course [08:44:19] <JBapt> and money available [08:44:34] <moazamraja> fast single system machines are $$$$ too tho [08:44:34] <JBapt> what I think it doesnt makes sense [08:44:50] <JBapt> is people dismissing other architectures because they came second in benchmarks [08:44:58] <JBapt> that arent worth a lot in real life [08:45:06] <moazamraja> benchmarks are ..whatever [08:45:11] <moazamraja> do your own custom benchmarks [08:45:12] <JBapt> exacty :) [08:45:14] <moazamraja> but [08:45:26] <moazamraja> from a cost and FUTURE perspective, x86 is a good way to go right now [08:45:31] <moazamraja> and IBM Power is a decent way to go [08:45:33] <moazamraja> Sparc is not [08:45:44] <moazamraja> (and IBM Power costs crazy money) [08:46:15] <dustman> JBapt: for desktop, sparc is inferior to x86 [08:46:27] <JBapt> moazamraja [08:46:33] <JBapt> I would run sparc on a server [08:46:38] <JBapt> every day of the week [08:46:42] <JBapt> compared to an x86 [08:46:47] <JBapt> but thats just me [08:46:49] <JBapt> :) [08:46:52] *** mib_pbki22 has quit IRC [08:47:00] <JBapt> I prorably have some x86 servers [08:47:05] <JBapt> sitting most of the time idle [08:47:17] <JBapt> so you probably dont even need all that speed [08:47:39] <moazamraja> JBapt: but would you spend $500k-$2million on buying Sparc hardware and hope that it is supported for the upcoming years? [08:47:50] <JBapt> you dont spend that much [08:47:55] <JBapt> thats just wrong! [08:47:57] <moazamraja> (supported = better than what sgi does) [08:48:01] <moazamraja> what? [08:48:02] <moazamraja> why not? [08:48:09] <moazamraja> if u have the need [08:48:10] <JBapt> because you can get sparc [08:48:12] <JBapt> a lot cheaper than that [08:48:17] <moazamraja> oy vey [08:48:21] <Stric> JBapt seems to have an interesting view on what's needed/required.. [08:48:25] <moazamraja> i'm talking about large deployments, in a SERVER farm [08:48:29] <moazamraja> anyways [08:48:39] <moazamraja> we bought 2 Sun Sparc boxes, $3.2million [08:48:48] <JBapt> which ones are they? [08:48:48] <moazamraja> we've also bought Sparc boxes at $2,000 [08:48:56] <JBapt> they must be sweet :) [08:49:05] <moazamraja> they're great machines [08:49:30] <tsoome> depends what u need;) [08:49:30] <moazamraja> M8000 [08:49:35] <JBapt> hummm [08:50:04] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris [08:50:13] <JBapt> niiceee [08:50:14] <JBapt> :) [08:50:27] <moazamraja> my personal server is a Sun Opteron box [08:50:31] <moazamraja> fast as hell, i'm happy with it [08:50:34] <moazamraja> and it was inexpensive [08:50:52] <moazamraja> wish I had a T5000 level box, but oh well [08:51:06] <JBapt> ever tried the new power? [08:51:13] *** phimic has quit IRC [08:51:18] <JBapt> power6... I've read they fly [08:51:22] <moazamraja> course, i haven't updated my site in ages :/ [08:51:22] <moazamraja> yeah [08:51:25] <JBapt> but never had the joy of using one [08:51:28] <JBapt> and?! [08:51:32] <JBapt> is it any good? [08:51:34] <moazamraja> i'm testing Power6 stuff next week [08:51:40] <JBapt> lucky bastard [08:51:49] <moazamraja> single thread performance is out of the world, that will be expected [08:51:54] <moazamraja> 4-5Ghz CPUs [08:52:26] <Stric> T5xxx has quite sucky single thread performance :P [08:52:47] <Stric> like ssh:ing in on the machine has a bit of delay etc.. [08:54:00] <JBapt> got an itanium to test here under my desk [08:54:01] <consanguinity> Stric: should get better now it has crypto acceleration for ssh, i imagine [08:54:03] <JBapt> but dont have the time [08:54:03] *** HadBrains has quit IRC [08:54:13] <JBapt> not stellar performance [08:54:18] <JBapt> but might be interesting [08:54:26] <Stric> consanguinity: for some values of "now".. not in solaris.. [08:54:53] <consanguinity> well, hopefully it'll get backported eventually.. [08:55:09] *** HadBrains has joined #opensolaris [08:55:52] *** HadBrains has quit IRC [08:56:12] <moazamraja> i wish IBM would buy Sun already :/ [08:56:22] <trochej> I wish not [08:56:24] <moazamraja> then it'd be easier for me to buy Sun gear (for work) [08:56:38] <moazamraja> trochej: would u rather MSFT? or Oracle? [08:57:13] <bumblebeeman> I want a thinkpad with a niagra [08:57:15] <trochej> I'd rather me, but have no cash right now. :) [08:57:17] <Doc> Apple [08:57:26] <moazamraja> apple wont do it, that's for damn sure [08:57:39] <trochej> I wonder, what would such a buy do to Sun's opensource stance [08:57:45] <moazamraja> sun has more employees than Apple [08:58:03] <moazamraja> and apple doesnt do enterprise sales/marketing/stuff [08:58:06] <consanguinity> if IBM bought Sun, they'd probably start selling M9000s with Linux on [08:58:17] *** HadBrains has joined #opensolaris [08:58:21] <moazamraja> consanguinity: nah, they'd pimp Solaris instantly [08:58:25] <Doc> whereas apple would ship a free iPod with every M9000! [08:58:25] <e^ipi> i wish sun would just buy itself [08:58:47] <CIA-34> Sherry Moore <Sherry.Moore at Sun dot COM>: 6767575 uhci_quiesce() should clear status bits [08:58:56] <Stric> bumblebeeman: no you don't want that.. running for instance a web browser on them is quite slow [08:58:57] <moazamraja> e^ipi: even that is not a solution, it'd need to go private and chop the CEO/CIO/CFO/VPs and Sr.Directors [08:59:03] <moazamraja> oh, and the whole Board of Directors also [08:59:09] <moazamraja> then we're getting somewhere [08:59:16] <Stric> bumblebeeman: unless you go make it really multithreaded for everything [09:00:43] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris [09:01:04] <trochej> Stric: But the prtconf output would be cool. [09:01:06] <trochej> :) [09:01:23] <Stric> ... [09:01:31] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris [09:02:48] *** luc^ has quit IRC [09:02:55] <JBapt> guys, quick one. I know this is not about opensolaris, but what do you think about cloud computing? [09:03:09] <e^ipi> marketing hype,mostly [09:03:27] <e^ipi> people have been doing clusters forever [09:03:41] <consanguinity> we've done "cloud computing" for years before anyone called it that, it's just a new word for an old thing [09:04:04] *** tsoome has quit IRC [09:04:41] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [09:04:51] <JBapt> yeah thats what I think of it as well. [09:04:54] <trochej> JBapt: #define clound computing [09:04:55] <DTEIT> morning [09:05:11] <JBapt> and Im really not happy about having all my data running in someone elses cluster? [09:05:14] <trochej> JBapt: Because I've seen quite a few interpretations [09:05:14] <JBapt> all of it at least [09:05:34] <JBapt> trochej, have you read stallmans interview a couple of weeks/months back? [09:05:40] <moazamraja> what ppl nowadays mean by cloud computing isnt necessarily the same as old school clusters [09:05:40] <trochej> Yup [09:05:51] <JBapt> do you agree with him? [09:05:52] <moazamraja> have a deeper look at the Google GData APIs [09:06:53] <moazamraja> anyways, sleep time [09:07:11] <JBapt> sleep time? I wish! its 8 am here [09:07:28] *** phimic has quit IRC [09:09:24] <trochej> JBapt: I don't realy know if I agree. Maybe a year from now. I do have some concerns. On the other hand, many companies have my data anyway [09:09:59] <lkthomas> does anyone use web console at all ? 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[11:00:18] <consanguinity> look at the messages printed above. probably a service failed to start [11:00:35] <trygvis> no, all services are running. no message above that one [11:00:59] *** e1kg has quit IRC [11:01:03] <seanmcg> svcs -x ? [11:01:20] <trygvis> they're all running and happy [11:01:23] <trygvis> though console-login is disabled [11:01:25] <HadBrains> im getting the same error message - but running from inside virtualbox though [11:01:30] <trygvis> http://rafb.net/p/oaQ1Hj13.html [11:01:57] <trygvis> tried to svcadm enable console-login, but same error [11:04:55] *** bnitz2 has joined #opensolaris [11:05:45] *** chrisr has joined #opensolaris [11:06:22] <trygvis> I see that console-login can disable itself [11:08:52] <trygvis> perhaps console-login shouldn't run in a zone [11:12:14] *** bnitz1 has quit IRC [11:13:00] <trygvis> running /lib/svc/method/fs-minimal by hand, I'm getting: cannot open '/': invalid dataset name [11:20:51] *** derchris has quit IRC [11:22:50] *** KOHJU has quit IRC [11:23:07] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris [11:23:16] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [11:25:53] <asyd> is there a well know problem with the zfs module of the webconsole, in update6? two intsall, two tests, two core dump (of webconsole) [11:34:10] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris [11:35:39] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [11:36:02] *** ff-wonko has joined #opensolaris [11:36:28] *** HadBrains has quit IRC [11:38:24] <evocallaghan> What is SUNWCmreq on x86 ? [11:39:02] <evocallaghan> asyd:why are you using webconsole ? [11:39:38] <asyd> I don't use it myself, it's for my boss who want take some snapshots from tiem to time [11:43:26] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris [11:45:55] *** ff-wonko has quit IRC [11:46:36] *** ff-wonko has joined #opensolaris [11:49:36] *** JWheeler_ is now known as JWheeler [11:50:02] <reinis> is there a ports system for os? [11:50:36] <asyd> pkgsrc ! [11:50:46] <reinis> I see, thanks [11:50:53] <reinis> it's the one from NetBSD? [11:50:56] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC [11:52:19] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [11:53:03] <asyd> yup [11:53:07] <reinis> nice [11:53:16] <asyd> I use it on solaris, not os however, but it works almost fine [11:53:22] *** swankier has joined #opensolaris [11:53:39] <swankier> what's the best way to install gnu find into Osolaris? [11:53:47] <bda> I use pkgsrc on OpenSolaris (and Solaris). Works fine. [11:53:50] <bda> (non-GUI) [11:54:02] <swankier> bda: was that an answer to me? [11:54:04] <bda> No. [11:54:05] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [11:54:06] <reinis> swankier: no [11:54:09] <swankier> ~laugh [11:54:15] <reinis> ~spank [11:54:19] <swankier> then I don't feel silly for not understanding :) [11:54:35] <reinis> CLI is best [11:54:48] <reinis> since I won't be using it for a desktop machine [11:54:54] <swankier> now now reinis, that will require dinner and a movie first. [11:55:02] <reinis> aw [11:57:56] *** MattMan has quit IRC [11:59:12] <swankier> or, better yet... is it possible to make open solaris find return only files and not directories? like gnu find's "-type f" option? [11:59:47] <swankier> (there is no find man page in open solaris.....) [12:02:41] *** stux|away has quit IRC [12:03:09] *** stux has joined #opensolaris [12:03:30] *** ff-wonko has quit IRC [12:03:34] <swankier> orly? [12:03:35] <swankier> root@nas1:/zfsdata# find -type f . [12:03:35] <swankier> find: illegal option -- t [12:03:35] *** ff-wonko has joined #opensolaris [12:03:47] *** luc^ has quit IRC [12:04:13] <CosmicDJ> swankier: first path then options... [12:04:20] <swankier> erm. [12:04:23] <swankier> yeah. [12:05:49] <swankier> how would one use two {} substitutions in an opensolaris -exec? [12:07:39] *** Zplay has joined #opensolaris [12:10:15] <asyd> swankier: find? [12:10:24] <swankier> asyd: yes [12:10:37] <asyd> well, find . -type -exec echo {} {} \; works here [12:11:59] *** cypromis has quit IRC [12:13:09] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [12:17:03] *** stux is now known as stux|work [12:18:04] <reinis> is it normal that the installation can't be customised? [12:18:14] <reinis> meaning that I can't, say, choose not to install X or games [12:18:35] <reinis> or other apps that aren't needed on a server [12:19:10] <reinis> and I can't remove them either, because it says there's a "slim_install" dependency [12:19:10] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [12:19:56] <reinis> I can't uninstall anything, as a matter of fact [12:25:43] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris [12:27:36] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [12:27:51] *** plavcik has joined #opensolaris [12:28:39] <plavcik> hi, how I can install kontact (kde kmail+korganizer+kaddressbook + ..) to OpenSolaris 2008.11 candidate? [12:29:07] <madwizard> plavcik: compile it, unfoprtunately [12:29:21] *** Rarok has quit IRC [12:29:59] <plavcik> exist a meta-package in package manager to install build-essential apps? [12:30:11] *** mist has quit IRC [12:31:16] <plavcik> i other words, exist a readme, where is described, how to prepare 2008.11 to have developmetn tools ready for compiling for example kontact ? [12:32:34] <timsf> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/kde/ [12:32:41] <plavcik> thx [12:36:43] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [12:42:24] *** ff-wonko has quit IRC [12:48:48] *** pgr has quit IRC [12:49:25] *** kohju has quit IRC [12:49:32] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris [12:50:04] <reinis> how come there is no dig(1) by default [12:50:36] <trygvis> solaris has digest [12:50:39] <trygvis> err [12:50:42] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [12:50:51] <trygvis> sorry, misread [12:53:57] *** WormDrink has quit IRC [13:03:31] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris [13:04:16] *** Yorlik has joined #opensolaris [13:07:32] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris [13:09:45] *** klg has joined #opensolaris [13:10:37] *** neoxed has joined #OpenSolaris [13:11:05] <madwizard> Reader's Digest? [13:14:18] *** chrisr has quit IRC [13:16:00] *** cmihai has quit IRC [13:16:05] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [13:19:55] *** kim0 has quit IRC [13:21:27] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris [13:23:29] *** kimc_ has quit IRC [13:24:45] *** echolink1833 has quit IRC [13:26:12] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris [13:27:54] *** echolink1833 has joined #opensolaris [13:28:04] *** neoxed_ has quit IRC [13:29:51] *** hsp has quit IRC [13:34:30] *** reinis has left #opensolaris [13:34:32] *** reinis has joined #opensolaris [13:34:39] *** anilg has quit IRC [13:36:54] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [13:39:52] *** Odin- has quit IRC [13:42:50] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC [13:47:06] *** klg has quit IRC [13:48:12] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [13:49:10] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [13:50:57] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [13:52:10] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC [13:53:12] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [13:53:12] *** Animal-X has quit IRC [13:58:08] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris [13:58:58] *** luna1 has quit IRC [13:59:32] *** jrms has joined #opensolaris [14:01:34] *** erflungued has quit IRC [14:01:37] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris [14:01:54] *** erflungued has joined #opensolaris [14:02:20] *** FoobarWidget has joined #opensolaris [14:04:48] *** Zplay has quit IRC [14:06:44] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [14:08:18] *** neoxed_ has joined #OpenSolaris [14:08:43] *** e271 has quit IRC [14:12:40] *** epruett has quit IRC [14:14:41] *** libkeise1 has quit IRC [14:20:15] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris [14:25:13] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [14:26:13] *** neoxed has quit IRC [14:28:38] *** Animal-X has quit IRC [14:30:46] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris [14:32:03] <FoobarWidget> does opensolaris support 32-bit systems? I downloaded the opensolaris iso and tried to install it in vmware, but for some reason the installer insists that my system is 64-bit [14:32:11] <FoobarWidget> even though in vmware I said that the VM is 32-bit [14:32:15] <FoobarWidget> my host CPU is an athlon64 so it does support 64-bit, but I want to install opensolaris in 32-bit mode [14:34:01] <rootard> FoobarWidget: yes, opensolaris can run easily on 32 bit systems [14:34:12] *** Glitt has joined #opensolaris [14:34:33] <rootard> Some things (like ZFS) benefit from 64 bit CPUs though. [14:34:36] <FoobarWidget> then how come the installer insists that my system is 64-bit? [14:35:50] <h3sp4wn> zfs and 32 bit is terrible why can you not just use a 64 bit vm [14:36:33] <h3sp4wn> If you want 32 bit then use ufs and SXCE [14:39:05] *** pgr has quit IRC [14:40:31] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [14:44:55] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [14:45:41] <FoobarWidget> because opensolaris in 64-bit mode makes everything crawl to a halt [14:45:45] *** aruiz has joined #opensolaris [14:45:52] <FoobarWidget> normally, installing a linux distro takes half an hour [14:46:02] <FoobarWidget> opensolaris in 64-bit mode managed to take 3 hours [14:46:11] <FoobarWidget> during all that time, my CPU usage is at 100% [14:46:18] <FoobarWidget> even when the installer isn't doing anything [14:46:38] <turtle> that sucks, what vm software are you using? [14:46:43] <FoobarWidget> screen redraws are extremely slow. if I move a window I can literally see that it's operating at 10 frames per second [14:46:49] <FoobarWidget> vmware workstation 6.0 [14:46:56] <FoobarWidget> I suspect this is some kind of 64-bit issue [14:47:04] <FoobarWidget> which is why I want to install it in 32-bit mode [14:50:38] <nachox> there is no 64 and 32 bit solaris, it's just one solaris [14:50:51] *** e1kg1 has joined #OpenSolaris [14:50:51] <nachox> you can modify grub to boot a 32 bit kernel though [14:53:25] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris [14:57:13] <rootard> Does the general OpenSolaris CD have an xVM enabled kernel for the installer? [14:58:32] *** e1kg has quit IRC [15:00:56] *** e271 has joined #opensolaris [15:01:06] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris [15:03:25] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [15:08:49] * codestr0m really really hates building svc from the ground up [15:10:11] *** ericjray has quit IRC [15:11:22] <trygvis> svc? [15:12:05] <codestr0m> trygvis: that's the directory in onnv cmd/svc.. it does various things and also aka smf [15:12:30] *** gaaabou has joined #opensolaris [15:12:31] <trygvis> aha [15:12:38] <codestr0m> trygvis: I could tell you in detail why I don't like this particular build, but doubt it's that interesting [15:12:55] <gaaabou> how can I get cat * | grep 'string' to return the filenames of the found instances [15:13:55] <Dominic> gaaabou: grep 'string' * [15:14:09] <codestr0m> trygvis: I can say this though. it's uncovered quite a few bugs in my chroot.. so in that aspect it's good [15:14:17] <gaaabou> ty Dominic! [15:14:28] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [15:15:58] <codestr0m> svccfg_libscf.c:1884: scf_transaction_commit() failed with unexpected error -1. Aborting. [15:15:58] <codestr0m> sh: line 2: 23007: Abort(coredump) [15:17:34] <reinis> "which pkgadd" gives me "no pkgadd in /usr/bin [15:17:48] <reinis> although the link at the top tells me that I should use pkgadd to install packages [15:18:41] <reinis> and I can't scroll the manpages using arrows [15:19:39] <reinis> what's with more(1) on osol... [15:19:52] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris [15:20:00] <trygvis> pkgadd is under /usr/sbin [15:20:44] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris [15:21:08] <reinis> shouldn't which(1) find it anyway if it's in $PATH? [15:21:18] <reinis> but you're right, it's in sbin [15:21:42] <trygvis> it would, so then /usr/sbin wasn't in your path [15:21:55] <reinis> but it is [15:22:11] <reinis> echo $PATH --> /usr/gnu/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin [15:22:27] <reinis> ah, no, it wasn't [15:22:36] <reinis> it is for the root user [15:25:53] <reinis> this isn't going smoothly :3 [15:26:25] <trygvis> there will always be blood when converting from another OS :) [15:26:35] <trygvis> but we're here to help [15:29:00] *** sp|ck has quit IRC [15:29:12] *** swankier has quit IRC [15:30:43] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris [15:32:12] <codestr0m> btw.. svccfg/scvvfg_libscf.c line 1884.. bad_error("scf_transaction_commit", r); is wrong. if you abort there you'll core and miss a chance to for a slightly more meaningful error [15:35:11] *** cypromis_ has quit IRC [15:41:55] *** Rarok has quit IRC [15:43:09] *** mikl has quit IRC [15:43:35] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris [15:48:30] *** jrms has left #opensolaris [15:49:18] *** gaaabou has quit IRC [15:51:03] *** jayk- has joined #opensolaris [15:51:09] <jayk-> is there a way to list all the zfs set options? [15:51:49] <timsf> zfs get all [15:51:49] <jayk-> ahh, zfs get? [15:51:49] <turtle> zfs get all [15:51:50] <aruiz> zfs get ? [15:51:53] <jayk-> yeah :) [15:53:49] *** ericjray has quit IRC [15:55:47] *** koan has quit IRC [15:55:55] *** koan has joined #opensolaris [15:57:54] *** donald has joined #opensolaris [16:01:45] *** webar7 has joined #opensolaris [16:02:12] <webar7> 5000-600 layoffs at Sun ?!?!?!? should we be worried? [16:02:22] <Cyrille> do you work there? [16:02:29] <webar7> no :) [16:02:42] *** Animal-X_ has joined #opensolaris [16:02:44] <oxygene> anal-ysts are telling sun all the time that their head count is too large [16:02:51] <webar7> but I don't want Sun to lose engineers and sales folks :) [16:02:52] <Cyrille> they've been saying that since about 2002. [16:02:53] <webar7> hmm ok [16:02:57] <oxygene> so sun lays off people [16:03:10] <webar7> finally [16:03:13] <oxygene> then they notice that they can't work with just the remaining crowd, so they rehire [16:03:31] <oxygene> (or get the old employees as contractors) [16:03:37] <oxygene> and so the cycle repeats [16:03:59] <Cyrille> thing is that Sun never really obeyed (which is good) the anal-ysts "recommendations" and "only" laid off about 1000 people every time, which left the wall street crowd yelling for more blood each time. [16:04:58] <Cyrille> I must have missed the part where they were rehiring, because they went from 45k to about 38k employees over the last years. [16:05:44] <Cyrille> though it's true they probably were hiring a bit at the beginning of this year, when things looked like they might be on the right track. [16:05:52] <Cripps> okay ... so, last night before I left qork I started a "pkg image-update" and it bailed out on me in the downloading phase, it looks like a bad option may be being passed into one of the python libs ... the output of the backtrace is here: http://www.pastebin.ca/1256191 ... is this a common error when trying to upgrade from 2008.05 (BTS), or does the issue lie elsewhere? [16:07:17] <plavcik> I see, that Sun released Solaris 10.08, what is the main difference to OpenSolaris 2008.10? [16:07:54] <Cripps> actually ... hm ... I'm running build 86 .... is that the BTS respin? [16:08:24] <quasi> one is solaris, the other is an attempt to emulate linux [16:08:24] <FrostCS> man, I hate qork. [16:08:33] <timsf> 10.08 is probably Solaris 10 Update 6 [16:08:35] <quasi> Cripps: 86 is ancient [16:08:47] <quasi> 10/08 [16:08:56] <timsf> OpenSolaris is *not* an attempt to emulate Linux [16:08:58] <Cripps> quasi, well, that would probably explain it. [16:09:38] *** Animal-X has quit IRC [16:09:40] <Cripps> I thought that the iso I'd downloaded was new, but I guess not ... [16:09:56] <oxygene> timsf: true. it's a poor attempt to emulate linux [16:10:31] <timsf> I'm glad we failed - and you know, have stuff like DTrace and ZFS, that work, [16:10:37] <timsf> a stable kernel API [16:10:46] <trygvis> hm, I'm unable to mount a volume: http://rafb.net/p/dnLdgH39.html [16:10:49] <Cripps> I think they key word there is "is" .... Opensolaris IS not an attempt to emulate linux, but it does HAVE linux emulation facilities. [16:10:51] * timsf not in a particularly good mood today [16:10:57] <FrostCS> who said solaris was a failure? [16:11:02] <FrostCS> I just got home ^^ [16:11:38] <timsf> [ we failed, in response to someone suggesting that OpenSolaris was a failed attempt to emulate linux ] [16:11:44] <FrostCS> I don't think any Sun employee will be in a good mood today. [16:11:53] <timsf> +1 [16:11:57] <aruiz> I'm in a good mood [16:12:18] * aruiz wonders if the pillls he took this morning has something to do [16:12:45] <oxygene> timsf: dtrace and zfs predate opensolaris-the-distro (the failed attempt at getting at the few good parts of linux, while taking in all the crap) [16:13:00] <FrostCS> I doubt the last day of CEC will be very exciting for the employees there who will be worried about their jobs. [16:13:00] * timsf gives up [16:13:20] *** Animal-X_ is now known as Animal-X [16:13:22] <FrostCS> think today is "networking day" or something [16:13:24] <oxygene> that's not enough to kill indiana, is it? otherwise that would be a success [16:13:32] <SunTzuTech> good thing I got the red pill already [16:13:40] <FrostCS> heh [16:13:56] <FrostCS> I got the blue pill ^^ a job at Fry's. lol [16:14:12] <FrostCS> the most common phrase I hear everyday is "I want something without Vista" [16:14:17] <SunTzuTech> pony boy should be workign for you [16:14:19] <aruiz> timsf, if you try to discuss with a fool, people might not notice the difference ;-) [16:15:06] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [16:15:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [16:15:22] <Cripps> good morning Gman [16:15:26] <FrostCS> another Vegas-er :-P [16:15:35] <Gman> hi Cripps [16:15:41] <Gman> FrostCS: for 1 day only [16:15:42] <Cripps> you know ... I used to use that alias ... years ago. [16:15:46] * Gman goes home today - whoop! [16:16:04] <FrostCS> Gman, last day right? you were here for the week? [16:16:13] <jbk> hey Gman [16:16:14] <Gman> yeah, since saturday [16:16:17] <Gman> g'day jbk [16:16:19] <Cripps> Gman, lucky you ... I still have 36 days before I can go home ;) [16:16:36] <Gman> Cripps: oh? [16:16:37] <aruiz> Gman, home as in Ireland? [16:16:46] <Gman> aruiz: home as in new zealand :) [16:16:50] <aruiz> where are you then? [16:16:56] *** anilg has quit IRC [16:17:04] <Gman> aruiz: las vegas [16:17:12] <aruiz> gah [16:17:17] <aruiz> how come? [16:17:17] <aruiz> :) [16:17:21] <Cripps> Cripps, I'm doing an co-op/internship, and it's over in about 5 weeks ... then I get to go back to my sweetheart in St. John's (Nfld) [16:17:46] <aruiz> Cripps, don't talk to yourself, it's scary [16:18:04] <Cripps> aruiz, heh ... er %s/Cripps/Gman/ [16:18:13] <Cripps> Cripps, you crazy!!! [16:18:25] <Gman> Cripps: ahr. [16:18:30] <Cripps> it was a tpyo [16:18:32] <Gman> aruiz: sun's customer engineering conference [16:18:46] <Gman> http://blogs.sun.com/theopenwaters/ [16:18:51] <Gman> we had a bit of fun yesteday ;) [16:19:48] <aruiz> Gman, hahah [16:19:57] <Gman> wait until you see the stage :) [16:20:07] <aruiz> Gman, jeez, that's what you do on marketing? are there any open recs? [16:20:12] <aruiz> X-) [16:20:29] <Gman> heh [16:20:32] <Gman> ironic. :) [16:23:03] <jbk> heh [16:23:28] <jbk> i'm guessing the number is < 0 [16:23:49] *** Asako has joined #opensolaris [16:23:55] <Asako> n [16:24:53] <FrostCS> Gman, no t-shirts at this conference right? :-P [16:25:14] <Gman> FrostCS: we handed out about 500 opensolaris tshirts [16:25:43] <FrostCS> see what I always miss :-P [16:25:55] <FrostCS> any left? :-P [16:27:01] <Asako> dang [16:27:06] <Asako> send me one? [16:27:17] <Asako> I'll trade you some liquid web swag, lol [16:27:55] <FrostCS> I'd pick one up :-P [16:29:01] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [16:32:30] <asyd> pff, I'm trying a debian inside a xvmserver, it's *very* slow :/ [16:33:07] <trygvis> are you running with the para virtualized kernel? [16:33:17] <asyd> no [16:33:25] <trygvis> well, then anything will be very slow [16:33:30] <asyd> ok [16:34:25] *** div13 has quit IRC [16:35:30] <Asako> why not use a linux zone? [16:35:52] <asyd> is this kernel avaialble on debian package? Or i need to find it somewhere? (or built it :/) [16:36:03] <asyd> Asako: it's more for testing purposes (to test xvm server) [16:36:31] <Asako> ah [16:36:48] <trygvis> asyd: http://blog.adventuresinopensolaris.com/2008/07/xvm-pv-of-debian-distros.html [16:37:08] <asyd> thanks [16:37:09] <trygvis> Asako: debian really don't work in a brand [16:37:42] *** tynar has joined #opensolaris [16:38:20] *** carl- has quit IRC [16:38:25] <Asako> ok, I always stick with centos any way [16:38:30] <tynar> for encoding which packages do I have to install, i am getting errors from glib, please help [16:39:47] <Triskelios> trygvis: debian works fine for me, aside from a locking issue in dpkg which needs a workaround [16:40:08] <Gman> FrostCS: Asako: nope, you're out of luck :) [16:40:24] *** bishamonten has quit IRC [16:40:33] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC [16:40:39] <Asako> oh well [16:41:26] <FrostCS> as usual :-P I'll keep piling up the fedora shirts :-P [16:41:57] <asyd> pfff, I remember a big reason why I hate linux, the lack of real documentation [16:42:14] *** Cripps has quit IRC [16:42:21] <grazz> what do you mean with real? [16:42:30] <Asako> I need some help with sndradm [16:42:48] *** Acidic32 has joined #opensolaris [16:42:50] <Acidic32> hi [16:42:59] <Acidic32> does Opensolaris work in VirtualBox? [16:43:11] <grazz> i have it running there [16:43:19] <Asako> how do I remove a remote mirror set? [16:43:24] <Acidic32> ive never ever used or looked at solaris [16:43:40] <Acidic32> tho i run linux not windows :P [16:43:42] <asyd> grazz: a reference documentation, like docs.sun.com [16:43:52] <Asako> Acidic32, it works fine [16:45:37] <grazz> i guess it's pretty hard to maintain documentation, the linux kernel changes a lot of things on every release [16:46:06] <Asako> there's change logs [16:46:27] <Asako> it drives me nuts that driver apis change so much [16:46:31] <grazz> yes, but if you want to develop something you can't waste time reading every changelog to see what changed [16:46:35] <grazz> exactly [16:46:44] <grazz> the other day i was looking for information about the apis [16:46:51] <grazz> everything i found was outdated [16:47:22] <Asako> yeah [16:47:34] <Asako> I'm not a kernel hacker, don't know enough programming [16:47:37] *** bacon000 has joined #opensolaris [16:47:55] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [16:48:09] <Asako> how do I see what has a dataset open? [16:49:17] <Asako> sndradm: Error: bitmap /dev/zvol/rdsk/rpool/bitmap00 is already in use by StorEdge Network Data Replicator [16:49:21] <Asako> but I just disabled it [16:49:29] <Asako> sndradm -i shows no mirrors [16:51:37] *** Cripps has joined #opensolaris [16:51:40] *** Dar_ has quit IRC [16:52:51] <Asako> I feel like I did when I first started on linux [16:56:20] *** phimic has quit IRC [16:57:16] <Cripps> Asako, I can appreciate that feeling, I'm going through the same thing ;) [16:57:28] *** echolink1833 has quit IRC [16:57:51] <Asako> at least sun docs are really good [16:58:16] <Asako> but you have to READ them [16:58:35] <Cripps> they are good ... although, like when I began learning linux, knowing *which* docs to read is the hard part. [16:58:51] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [16:59:00] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [16:59:33] <Asako> how do I fix a failed bitmap? [16:59:43] *** nachox has quit IRC [16:59:59] <Cripps> oh damn, that's quite the typo .... heh, I meant to run "pfexec /usr/sbin/beadm list" but instead I typed in "pfexec /usr/admin/beadm list" [17:00:16] *** tynar has quit IRC [17:00:21] *** plavcik has quit IRC [17:00:31] <Asako> I can't get rid of this mirror [17:03:09] *** twisti has quit IRC [17:04:18] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris [17:06:07] *** zarqman has joined #opensolaris [17:07:26] *** e1kg1 is now known as e1kg [17:07:28] <Cripps> that whole thing about having different boot environments is ... different, at first ... but I see the value in it, and I think it's actually pretty awesome. [17:07:44] <Asako> pkgadd: ERROR: attempt to process datastream failed [17:07:44] <Asako> - bad format in datastream table-of-contents [17:07:46] <Asako> ever see that? [17:08:13] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [17:09:31] <Asako> ah, gotta gunzip it first [17:09:37] *** daelious has joined #opensolaris [17:10:19] <Asako> bah [17:10:25] <Asako> is there an lsof package for 5.11? [17:10:39] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [17:11:40] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [17:11:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [17:12:09] <daelious> hi all i'm new to solaris. just curious what's the difference between opensolaris and solaris express? [17:12:56] <Asako> sxce is more like solaris 10 [17:13:08] <Asako> more stuff included [17:13:31] <sommerfeld> biggest difference is the packaging system. solaris express uses essentially the same packaging system as solaris 10; opensolaris uses a new, more efficient package manager. [17:13:43] <Asako> cannot remove device links for 'rpool/files-bm1': dataset is busy [17:13:45] <Asako> wtf? [17:13:52] <Asako> how do I see what has it open? [17:14:14] <daelious> thanks :) [17:14:24] <Asako> I like IPS better [17:14:27] <Cripps> what precisely does '$$' do on the command line? It seems to generate a *random* number, but not every time it's used. [17:14:39] <Cripps> Asako, Dtrace? ;) [17:14:41] <Asako> isn't that the last pid? [17:15:03] <Asako> yeah, I just need a dtrace command to see it [17:15:14] <grazz> isn't $$ the pid of the current shell [17:15:15] <Stric> Cripps: the process id of the parent process [17:15:20] <Stric> $PPID = $$ [17:15:26] <Cripps> Asako, ah. I'm not familiar enough with d yet to be any help to you at the moment then. [17:15:37] <Cripps> Stric, ah, cool. Thanks. [17:15:47] <Asako> I've messed around a bit [17:15:53] <Asako> but I'm just used to lsof [17:15:57] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [17:16:07] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [17:16:33] <Cripps> Asako, when you figure it out, you should write an lsof script implemented using dtrace, and then post it for others to use :) [17:16:52] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [17:18:22] <Asako> I found some stuff on google [17:18:51] <Asako> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071031121823710 [17:19:23] <Asako> but I need to know for a specific file [17:20:06] *** FoobarWidget has left #opensolaris [17:21:10] *** mikl has quit IRC [17:22:00] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:22:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:22:55] *** morettoni has quit IRC [17:28:02] <Asako> ok, I rebooted the server and I'm sure nothing has this dataset open [17:28:08] <Asako> why can't I destroy it? [17:28:12] *** bahumbug has quit IRC [17:28:26] <Asako> cannot remove device links for 'rpool/files-bm1': dataset is busy [17:29:03] *** jhfisc has joined #opensolaris [17:35:55] <Cripps> Asako: the following script will tell you when a read is being done on any file, you can pipe output to a file and grep the filename: http://www.pastebin.ca/1256247 [17:36:31] <Asako> thanks [17:36:55] <Cripps> Asako, it's not much, but I help when I can ;) [17:37:06] <Cripps> ... you'll have to run that with pfexec. [17:37:47] <Asako> time to watch the demo again [17:38:22] <Asako> my mirrors are replicating, but I don't see the zpool on both servers [17:38:25] *** daelious has quit IRC [17:39:37] <Asako> dtrace: error on enabled probe ID 3 (ID 74226: syscall::read:entry): invalid address (0x103) in action #2 at DIF offset 28 [17:41:33] <Doc> hmm.. RIF [17:43:01] <timsf> Asako: is there a zvol being used underneath that dataseet? [17:43:07] <Asako> there was [17:43:16] <Asako> I disabled the avs volume that was using it [17:43:16] <Cripps> Asako, maybe read is the wrong call to use :S [17:43:40] <Asako> avs doesn't seem to be replicating changes [17:44:01] <timsf> the dtrace error is becase you hit a readv(2) I bet. [17:44:21] <timsf> (where the 1st arg isn't a char*) [17:44:32] <Asako> maybe, not too worried about that [17:44:36] <Cripps> ah. [17:45:02] <Doc> hmm... Rich Green has resigned [17:45:42] *** bnitz2 has quit IRC [17:45:42] <timsf> (actually all read syscalls take file descriptors..) [17:46:17] *** jfndi has joined #opensolaris [17:48:06] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [17:48:21] <Asako> does the I/O group name have to be the same as the zfs pool name? [17:49:25] *** DTEIT has quit IRC [17:50:08] *** bnitz1 has joined #opensolaris [17:50:41] *** Ponder has joined #opensolaris [17:50:45] <Asako> Nov 14 11:49:29 sndr: SNDR: can not start sync as set solaris-sec:/dev/rdsk/c3d0s0 is not logging [17:50:45] <Asako> Nov 14 11:49:29 sndr: SNDR: can not start sync as set solaris-sec:/dev/rdsk/c2d1s0 is not logging [17:50:49] <Asako> but they ARE logging [17:50:53] <Asako> I just put them into logging mode [17:51:13] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [17:51:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay [17:51:57] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [17:52:39] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [17:53:06] <Cripps> I'm curious here, I've got "pkg -R /tmp/mnt1406 image-update" running, and it's in the "Creating Plan" stage, but it sporadically stops accessing files for awhile, and then starts again. Why is this? What's pkg doing when it's not touching the files? [17:54:06] <trygvis> network maybe? [17:54:21] *** swankier has joined #opensolaris [17:54:57] <Cripps> maybe. I'm going to include more probes in my dtrace script to see if there's activity going on elsewhere (other than just open*) [17:54:58] <swankier> is there something similar to fam in opensolaris? [17:55:11] <swankier> (file allocation monitor) [17:56:20] <Ponder> Anyone have experience joining and Active Directory domain with snv_101a? [17:57:10] <elektronkind> swankier: detecting file changes? [17:57:53] <swankier> yes [17:58:08] <timsf> pfexec /opt/DTT/iosnoop [17:58:35] <elektronkind> all such auditing can be done with BSM ... see the bsmconv man page [17:58:50] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris [17:58:57] <elektronkind> or for something more lightweight, what timsf said [17:59:31] <timsf> Event ports can do file level monitoring (but that's not what you're after here) [17:59:51] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [17:59:58] <timsf> http://blogs.sun.com/praks/entry/file_events_notification [18:00:56] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [18:01:01] <timsf> opensnoop may be insightful too... [18:02:56] <swankier> thanks :) [18:03:08] <swankier> I'll read into these [18:05:04] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [18:08:32] <Triskelios> Ponder: there's a big troubleshooting guide on genunix, if you haven't read it... [18:08:50] <Ponder> OK I'll take a look thanks [18:09:26] <Triskelios> swankier: gamin is installed on opensolaris, which has a fam-compatible API [18:09:47] <Asako> ok, now my replica says corrupted data [18:10:34] <Asako> http://pastebin.ca/1256268 [18:11:07] *** wesw has joined #opensolaris [18:14:49] *** mikefut has quit IRC [18:14:51] *** jtmuzix has joined #opensolaris [18:14:57] *** crichardso has joined #opensolaris [18:15:05] *** Erwann has quit IRC [18:15:17] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris [18:15:37] *** bigjocker has quit IRC [18:19:43] <codestr0m> how do I look up error codes? for example cc: Fatal error in /usr/ccs/bin/ld *** Error code 139 [18:20:01] <Ponder> Hmm my issue is not listed in the troubleshooting guide, [18:20:18] <Asako> according to sndradm the disks are replicating, so why is the zpool corrupted? [18:21:04] <crichardso> anyone here use xen on solaris dom0 with a rge card? for some reason durring the install process of the hvm it had a nic detected but after the install it does not do you know what the default nic that is passed to hvms? [18:22:10] *** gehmehgeh has left #opensolaris [18:22:13] *** e1kg1 has joined #OpenSolaris [18:22:29] *** doubletwist has left #opensolaris [18:23:08] *** oliep has joined #opensolaris [18:23:16] *** evocallaghan has quit IRC [18:25:04] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [18:25:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [18:26:23] *** oliep has quit IRC [18:27:08] *** mikl has quit IRC [18:28:51] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC [18:28:55] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [18:29:02] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris [18:29:06] <Cripps> I have dtrace running looking for open* or read* calls from pkg, but I haven't been getting anything for about 10 mins ... I'm running "pkg -R /tmp/mnt1406 image-update" from an ssh session into my OS box ... any ideas on what could be wrong/what else I might want to probe for to see if pkg is still actually doing work? [18:29:19] *** e1kg1 has quit IRC [18:30:26] *** e1kg has quit IRC [18:30:30] <swankier> does iosnoop work with zfs? [18:30:52] <timsf> yes [18:30:59] <timsf> though fsstat -F zfs is probably better [18:31:27] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [18:31:38] <timsf> in terms of seeing what pkg is doing, pstack `pgrep pkg` [18:32:48] <Cripps> thanks timsf [18:32:51] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris [18:32:54] <Asako> how do I delete a zpool by the id number? [18:33:19] <Cripps> perfect timing though ... I just switched over to xchat to see if anybody had answered, and then dtrace came to life ;) [18:36:16] <holcomb> dear god. somebody please kill the jes installer [18:36:48] *** nprice_ has joined #opensolaris [18:36:55] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [18:36:58] <Asako> how the heck did I end up with a pool on s9 any way? [18:37:37] <Asako> I guess I'm on my own here [18:39:08] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris [18:41:15] <Asako> you can't destroy by id? [18:42:08] *** cmihai has quit IRC [18:42:11] *** cmihai` has joined #OpenSolaris [18:43:03] *** tobeya has joined #opensolaris [18:43:21] <Asako> [root at sctest2 dot liquidweb.com] ~ >> zpool destroy 6647537393906934956 [18:43:22] <Asako> cannot open '6647537393906934956': name must begin with a letter [18:43:24] <Asako> seems dumb to me [18:44:17] <wewek> hi guys, [18:44:17] <wewek> can I edit SVR4 package? I downloaded SVR4 package form SWAN and I would like to edit one file. But I don't know how to unpack this archive. actually, it's some kind of duble archive and if I unpack one, other one has only read permission. so I cann't save my changes [18:44:20] <wewek> any ideas? [18:44:56] <Cripps> I just had a nasty thought .... what if pkg never stopped running when my last ssh session got killed? How would I tell if I have more than one pkg process running? [18:45:09] <Asako> pgrep [18:45:30] <Cripps> pgrep will show all pids then? [18:45:40] <Cripps> sorry, all pids of the specified processname [18:46:01] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris [18:46:02] <Triskelios> that's what it's for... [18:46:12] <Cripps> well, now I know :) [18:47:09] *** Animal-X_ has joined #opensolaris [18:47:53] *** bnitz1 has quit IRC [18:49:41] <swankier> fsstat is neat [18:49:56] <swankier> but, the numbers cannot possibly be correct... [18:50:11] <swankier> if they were, I'd run out of disk space in weeks, and I have 20T left [18:50:30] <swankier> fsstat says that it is writing 300MB/minute [18:50:50] <swankier> does anyone know how it measures that number? [18:51:18] <Cripps> swankier, that's the speed it's writing at ..... that doesn't mean it's got 300MB/minute to write. [18:51:45] <swankier> sorry, I should clarify [18:51:54] <swankier> I have fsstat running at an interval of 60 [18:52:03] <swankier> in the "write bytes" column is a MB number [18:52:04] <Asako> ok, figured out my issue [18:52:08] *** aruiz has quit IRC [18:52:11] <swankier> that number very large. [18:52:18] <Cripps> Asako, how did you do it? [18:52:20] <swankier> ... erm... is very [18:52:22] <Asako> the mirror needs to be put in logging mode before I can import the secondary pool [18:52:28] <Cripps> ah. [18:53:28] <Cripps> swankier, not being horrendously familiar with fsstat, I can't add anything productive. Sorry. [18:53:45] <oxygene> wewek: pkgtrans can convert it in the tree-of-files format, where editing should be easier [18:53:59] <oxygene> wewek: though, beware: it has checksums (in pkgmap, iirc) [18:54:28] *** nprice has quit IRC [18:54:53] <gerard13> hello all, who installs /usr/gnu/bin/as ? [18:55:13] <gerard13> SFE is seraching for it, not finding neitheir trying to install it [18:56:24] <wewek> oxygene: thanks for the answer. and then how can I pack files back into archive? [18:57:08] <Asako> I have some slow disks [18:59:18] *** Animal-X has quit IRC [19:01:36] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [19:02:34] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [19:05:51] *** bacon000 has quit IRC [19:07:51] *** echolink1833 has joined #opensolaris [19:08:40] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [19:09:24] *** jfndi has quit IRC [19:09:29] *** proberts has quit IRC [19:12:25] <swankier> so how does one keep 30T+ of zfs filesystem synced in real time across hosts? [19:13:16] <holcomb> avs [19:13:45] <Asako> yup [19:13:51] <Asako> same thing I've been learning this week [19:14:00] <Asako> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/avs/Demos/AVS-ZFS-Demo-V1/ [19:14:16] *** Animal-X_ has quit IRC [19:15:10] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [19:15:54] *** LuckyLuke has quit IRC [19:17:13] <Asako> but for 30T I'd run solaris cluster [19:17:20] <oxygene> wewek: with pkgtrans again (-s option, probably). you can also install from the tree format directly [19:17:22] <Asako> down time sucks [19:17:37] <Asako> so, with sun cutting jobs how does that affect opensolaris? [19:17:49] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris [19:18:25] <e^ipi> Asako, nobody knows, the announcement came out today [19:18:39] <swankier> but avs is block layer.... [19:18:44] <swankier> which isn't going to play with zfs nice... [19:18:56] <swankier> if a disk fails on your master, that bad data will be replicated to your slave... [19:18:57] *** panu9 has joined #opensolaris [19:19:12] <panu9> hi ppl [19:19:22] <swankier> and if a disk fails in your slave, you'll not know about it until it's too late, because the file system isn't mounted [19:19:35] <swankier> or is there something I'm missing? [19:19:40] <Asako> it seems to work with zfs just fine [19:19:41] <panu9> iim prety new on sun solaris [19:20:00] <Asako> wouldn't you have hot swap drives any way? [19:20:02] <swankier> Asako: and when a disk fails, the disk failure isn't replicated? [19:20:21] <panu9> if i will instala program in sun solaris how to do [19:20:24] <Asako> not sure about that [19:20:31] <Asako> it replicates disk to disk [19:20:37] <swankier> Asako: if the disk hasn't failed on the slave, why would I want it to fail the disk? [19:20:48] *** LuckyLuke has joined #opensolaris [19:20:54] <Asako> but wouldn't the mirror fail for that drive? [19:21:04] <swankier> hmm? [19:21:04] <Asako> guess I could go unplug a drive and see [19:21:25] <Asako> need to test failover scenarios any way [19:21:28] <e^ipi> panu9, with pkg if it's opensolaris, pkgadd if it's not [19:21:36] <swankier> that's what I'm trying to think through right now. [19:21:52] <Asako> I'm trying to figure out how to make heartbeat work with avs [19:22:12] <Cripps> *growl* ... I'm running "pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg at 0 dot 5.11-0$86" and I get the error message: "pkg: 0/1 catalogs successfully updated<newline>Could not retrieve catalog from 'opensolaris.org'<newline>URLERROR, reason: (8, 'node name or service not known')" I had the doc in front of me yesterday that would help me with the config for ipkg, but I can't find it now. My network is up, I know because "/usr/sbin/host opensolaris.org" resolves correctly. [19:22:12] <Cripps> Help? [19:22:28] <Asako> I need something that will move the IP, import the pools, and reverse sync once the primary comes back up [19:22:44] <panu9> i have use solaris in virtual box since yesterday i habe absolutly no idea but it looks like ubuntu and rigth now im using ubuntu [19:22:44] <elektronkind> Cripps: that package name looks a little wrong :) [19:22:45] *** iron_angel has quit IRC [19:22:59] <Asako> panu9, they both use gnome [19:23:00] <elektronkind> Cripps: SUNWipkg at 0 dot 5.11-0$86 ... that should be SUNWipkg at 0 dot 5.11-0.86 [19:23:24] <Asako> Cripps, that's a dns issue [19:23:31] <panu9> in terminal which comands i will use [19:23:40] <Asako> do you have hosts set to use dns? [19:23:48] <Cripps> elektronkind, oops, yeah, the second one is what I meant (I was filling out the build number manually in here) [19:23:56] <panu9> if i will install programs where i can find are they deb files works in solaris [19:24:03] <Asako> pkg install foo [19:24:19] <Asako> might want to add some repos too [19:24:23] *** JBapt has quit IRC [19:24:36] <Cripps> Asako, I've no idea .... this is basically a vanilla install. [19:25:12] <panu9> okey i find outh in google pkg [19:25:25] <panu9> http://www.bolthole.com/solaris/pkg-get.html [19:25:46] <Asako> Cripps, check /etc/nssswitch.conf [19:26:05] <Asako> hosts: should be set to files dns [19:26:26] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [19:26:26] <Asako> I had the same issue, it's stupid dns isn't enabled by default [19:26:46] <e^ipi> panu9, pkg_get is for solaris 9, 10, and solaris express. [19:27:08] <swankier> Asako: let me know what you end up finding out. I'll do the same. I have a ticket open with Solaris and a small team of people looking into it over here. [19:27:09] <panu9> in solaris can i install for exampel limewire or torrent program where i can find program list for [19:27:24] <Cripps> wow ... what else there should be DNS? [19:27:24] <swankier> s/Solaris/Sun [19:27:27] <Asako> I'll be testing it today [19:27:27] <panu9> thanks e ipi [19:27:43] <Asako> still getting the hang of avs [19:27:46] <CosmicDJ> Cripps: ldap, nis, nis+ [19:28:12] <Cripps> and, once I set hosts: files dns , how do I restart the services so the get reconfigured to use dns? [19:28:23] <Asako> nice thing with sata is I can just unplug drives [19:28:26] <timsf> svcadm restart name-service-cache [19:28:42] <timsf> (ensuring you've got /etc/resolv.conf configured correctly) [19:31:08] <Cripps> ahh, sweet sweet magic. Thank Asako, timsf ... I really appreciate your help. [19:31:26] <timsf> np [19:32:11] <Asako> does solaris have a way to put a drive offline? [19:33:03] <bedlam> hi all. I have an x86 opensolaris 05/08 installation with an e1000 nic... but I'm only getting a max ~2mb/sec transfer rate. the network is fine, as I'm able to get ~45mb/sec from an ubuntu box sitting next to it. also, it doesn't seem to be the protocol I'm using, as it's the same with both sftp and cifs. does anyone have an idea of what I should look at next? [19:33:26] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris [19:33:46] <timsf> Asako: depends - read up on cfgadm [19:33:56] <Asako> ok [19:34:46] *** jinx099 has joined #opensolaris [19:35:16] *** pumpkin_ has joined #opensolaris [19:35:46] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [19:36:09] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [19:36:42] *** pumpkin_ is now known as pumpkin [19:41:05] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [19:51:48] *** donald has quit IRC [19:52:01] *** luna1 has joined #opensolaris [19:53:13] *** Gman has quit IRC [19:57:15] *** brendang_ is now known as brendang [19:57:20] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris [19:57:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o brendang [19:58:31] *** panu9 has quit IRC [19:58:49] <CIA-34> John Forte <John.Forte at Sun dot COM>: 6749840 stmfadm list-target does not list correct information when there are more than 1024 targets [20:00:42] *** houst0n- has joined #opensolaris [20:02:32] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [20:03:42] *** zahna has joined #opensolaris [20:04:00] <zahna> does anyone know sun's strategy for opensolaris? will it become solaris proper? [20:04:19] <zahna> like, is it worth it to learn solaris 10 rather than opensolaris? [20:05:29] <e^ipi> i'd learn both *shrug* [20:05:30] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [20:05:49] <e^ipi> for that matter toss 8 in to the mix, a lot of old 8 machines still kicking about [20:06:13] <e^ipi> it ultimately depends on what you want to do with it [20:06:28] <e^ipi> business is going to be skeptical for quite a while whenever a new version comes out [20:07:45] <Doc> i suspect any strategy sun did have for solaris may be changing in the next few weeks... [20:08:45] <elektronkind> why do you say that? [20:08:49] * elektronkind curious [20:08:50] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [20:08:58] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC [20:09:05] *** BBHoss has quit IRC [20:09:23] <zahna> what is the lifecycle for an opensolaris release? [20:09:41] <codestr0m> Doc: some big german company bought them ;) [20:10:05] <vmlemon_> Innotek bought Sun? ;) [20:10:14] <zahna> i'm asking because i'm coming from the linux world, but am considering using (open?)solaris for some backend servers [20:10:22] <Doc> dropping 15+% of your workforce and losing your EVP for software (incl Solaris) normally results in changes... [20:10:34] <zahna> EVP? [20:10:36] <CosmicDJ> vmlemon_: no Star Division ;) [20:10:42] <Doc> exec VP [20:10:46] <elektronkind> zahna: executive vice president [20:10:49] <zahna> oh [20:10:57] <elektronkind> that was plocher, right? [20:11:02] <Doc> Rich Green [20:13:25] <e^ipi> plocher was an engineer, not an executive [20:13:28] <Cripps> under opengrok (on the opensolaris site) which "project" would I be searching under if I wanted to find USYNC_THREAD? I'm 90% certain that it's part of the core OS, but searching "indiana" yielded no results for "defs:USYNC_THREAD" [20:14:06] <oxygene> Cripps: onnv-gate [20:14:09] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [20:14:13] <Cripps> oxygene, thanks. [20:14:29] *** Teo` has joined #opensolaris [20:14:44] *** houst0n-_ has quit IRC [20:18:50] *** zarqman_ has joined #opensolaris [20:21:09] *** LordIllpalazoThe has joined #opensolaris [20:21:54] *** iron_angel has joined #opensolaris [20:23:16] <CosmicDJ> zahna: server lifetime today is approx. 10 years; so you can't do much wrong when you learn solaris 10, now :) [20:23:16] <webar7> Doc, the EVP is gone?!? [20:23:29] <webar7> CosmicDJ, haha [20:24:19] <CosmicDJ> webar7: that wasn't a joke, I was in a datacenter today with lots of old sparc machines [20:24:26] <webar7> I wanna know if anyone famous was dumped ... maybe if they have free time the freebsd foundation can hire them [20:24:49] <webar7> CosmicDJ, here's hoping they replace those with new sun boxes [20:25:42] <CosmicDJ> the year is nearly over, we're in a crisis, who the hell has money for that now? [20:26:15] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris [20:27:42] <webar7> at my old office they had a stack of 4 pizza boxes 10 years old at least ... they ran "internal DNS" (the idea of split horizon there was sort of uuhh out there) ... they were on a reprieve from the scrap heap because as the data centre ops manager said: "we're uncertain about vmware now that microsoft has it's own virtualization technology" [20:28:04] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [20:28:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [20:28:40] <webar7> when they say "microsoft has it's own virtualization technology" they mean "thank god we can keep all our msce staff" [20:28:54] *** Gman has quit IRC [20:29:06] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [20:29:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [20:29:08] <webar7> once it is inside a VM "unix is an application like any other" [20:30:52] <webar7> their idea was to avoid exposure to unix of any kind by buying VM's of "linux running mediawiki" and paying for support and licensing .. .and then purchasing VMware licences ... now they are happy they might be able to take one vendor out of the picture [20:30:57] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [20:31:49] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [20:32:00] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [20:33:57] <CosmicDJ> so instead of learning solaris he should learn windoze? ;) [20:34:13] <webar7> if your sales staff tell people like that about Sun's xVM, zones, zfs, thumper, lower electricity costs and hardware that lasts a decade they say they "we're a windows shop we can't run Solaris" it sort of means the contract tender system they have in place is bogus [20:34:27] *** zarqman has quit IRC [20:34:28] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [20:35:16] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris [20:35:20] <jbk> vmware uses linux.. if it's an appliance, it doesn't matter (from an admin perspective) what's running under the hood as long as you don't have to deal with it directly.. 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[20:53:34] *** TomJ has quit IRC [20:53:39] *** ericjray has quit IRC [20:54:16] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC [20:54:32] *** codestr0m has joined #opensolaris [20:54:48] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris [20:56:04] *** Teo` has quit IRC [20:58:46] <CIA-34> Michael Speer <Michael.Speer at Sun dot COM>: 6770915 Fix for 6769309 exposed a hidden bug in nxge_hio_rem_mac() [20:58:48] <CIA-34> Vasumathi Sundaram - Sun Microsystems <Vasumathi.Sundaram at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2008/608 brussels property permissions, 6723890 ndd interface donesn't report properties' read/write capacities correctly after CR 6667363 [20:59:02] *** edgy has left #opensolaris [21:00:13] *** iron_angel has joined #opensolaris [21:00:26] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC [21:02:05] *** Tobbe|autoaway is now known as Tobbe [21:02:38] *** echolink1833 has quit IRC [21:03:32] *** swa_work has quit IRC [21:05:38] <throwt> Cripps: only one at the console [21:08:12] <Cripps> throwt, damn. [21:08:47] <Cripps> the vconsole project is looking to change this, correct? [21:09:13] <CosmicDJ> they already did; it's in SXCE 101 and higher IIRC [21:10:14] <Cripps> ah ... is that integrated into the latest developer builds (i.e. I'm running 2008.05, upgrading to 2008.11rc using pkg image-update) ? [21:12:23] <Asako> can I mount zfs iscsi shares in centos? [21:12:35] <Asako> and does iscsi require a login? [21:12:52] <Aria> Yes, ish. iscsi shares are raw block devices -- so if it's a FS that CentOS understands, yes you can mount it. [21:13:02] <Aria> But if there's ZFS within that share, perhaps not. [21:13:08] <Asako> Logging in to [iface: default, target: iqn.1986-03.com.sun:02:9247a54a-fba3-efe3-ee2b-b3d467b195ff, portal: 72.52.244.220,3260] [21:13:08] <Asako> Timeout, server not responding. [21:13:15] <Asako> it's just a blank device [21:13:46] *** zarqman_ has quit IRC [21:13:48] <Asako> hmm, box died [21:13:49] <Asako> brb [21:14:35] *** zarqman has joined #opensolaris [21:15:16] *** wewek has quit IRC [21:15:33] <Asako> heh, the iscsi module makes centos kernel panic [21:15:48] <Cripps> what does binary output for string representation of copyinstr(arg0) indicate coming from dtrace? [21:16:05] <Asako> so now the box I JUST installed keeps rebooting itself [21:16:21] <Aria> Fun, Asako! [21:16:24] <Cripps> Asako, ouch. That bites hard. [21:16:36] *** echolink1833 has joined #opensolaris [21:16:47] <throwt> change kernel arguments to -kb [21:16:59] <Asako> gg linux [21:17:11] <throwt> oops , centos, not solaris [21:17:52] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [21:18:10] <Asako> and centos 4 xen doesn't have the iscsi module, sigh [21:18:32] <Asako> I should just set up another solaris box [21:21:57] *** echolink1833 has quit IRC [21:23:21] *** _teo_ has joined #opensolaris [21:23:48] <e^ipi> yeah you should [21:23:49] <e^ipi> ;) [21:24:09] *** echolink1833 has joined #opensolaris [21:24:28] *** Acidic32 has quit IRC [21:24:42] *** Gman has quit IRC [21:25:05] *** _teo_ is now known as Teo` [21:26:53] *** luc^ has quit IRC [21:28:20] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [21:30:05] <Asako> I just wanted to test xen on centos 5 [21:30:59] <Asako> soon as the box mounts an iscsi target, crash [21:31:36] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris [21:31:54] <Asako> guess I could file a bug with redhat [21:32:55] <e^ipi> fat lot of good that'll do you [21:33:14] <Asako> well, I can't any way [21:33:21] <Asako> not running RHEL [21:33:46] <e^ipi> is there some specific piece of software you need redhat for, anyway? [21:35:00] <Asako> cpanel [21:35:06] <e^ipi> *nod* [21:35:17] <jbk> ick [21:35:17] <Asako> and centos is our standard [21:35:28] <e^ipi> does cpanel not run on solaris? [21:35:37] <Asako> no, redhat only [21:35:45] <Asako> you can run it in a linux zone [21:36:15] <Asako> I'm just trying to set up a xen VM running windows on an iscsi target [21:36:23] <jbk> and likely never will -- from talkign to people who have worked on the code it's a mess and barely managed to support fbsd [21:36:28] <Asako> and a few linux instances [21:36:59] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [21:37:14] <Asako> xen is included in sxce right? [21:38:41] <h3sp4wn> yep - you should get the early access paravirtualised drivers [21:39:28] <Asako> yeah, I want to use HVM stuff [21:39:30] <h3sp4wn> Otherwise it will be unusable (at least it was for me and that was without iscsi just a plain zvol) [21:39:31] *** Teo`` has quit IRC [21:39:56] *** timsf has quit IRC [21:40:40] *** Odin- has quit IRC [21:40:57] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [21:42:16] <Asako> I could try FreeBSD [21:43:52] <h3sp4wn> the filename is SunxVMWin32PV.msi but I have lost the link (They have probably been updated since I got these actually anyway) [21:44:43] *** badtruffle has joined #opensolaris [21:45:17] <Asako> how do you run windows paravirtualized? [21:47:11] <Asako> so that file is a sun package? [21:47:37] <e^ipi> you don't run windows paravirtualized [21:47:48] <e^ipi> they don't support it [21:48:03] <Asako> I know, just the name confuses me [21:48:55] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris [21:52:46] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [21:53:49] *** LordIllpalazoThe has quit IRC [21:56:14] <Asako> centos fails, I'm just gonna use solaris xvm [21:59:31] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [22:04:46] *** jinx099 has quit IRC [22:07:10] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris [22:09:31] *** jgracin has quit IRC [22:11:35] *** reflect has joined #opensolaris [22:12:37] *** jtmuzix has quit IRC [22:14:44] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris [22:14:54] *** stevel has quit IRC [22:15:09] <h3sp4wn> Asako: Its the PV drivers for HVM windows [22:15:31] <h3sp4wn> (SXCE / Solaris 10 also have these for running in HVM mode) [22:15:32] <reflect> good evening [22:16:10] <h3sp4wn> Asako: early access xvm drivers - I don't have the link as I said [22:17:42] <proberts> anyone have any idea on how Sun is clustering the new 7000 series storage? [22:17:53] <proberts> somehow they are clustering zfs [22:19:01] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [22:20:01] <nachox> proberts, http://blogs.sun.com/wesolows/ [22:20:12] *** Teo`` has joined #opensolaris [22:20:26] <proberts> yea I read that [22:20:32] <proberts> that doesn't tell you the how [22:20:43] <holcomb> each pool is only owned by one head at a time [22:20:43] <proberts> well one sec :) [22:21:40] <holcomb> you could do the same with sun cluster and maybe vcs [22:21:51] <proberts> yea I don't want vcs [22:21:53] <proberts> I want zfs [22:22:07] <proberts> but for sun cluster you need shared storage [22:22:18] <proberts> so how the hell do you clusterize your shared zfs storage :) [22:22:26] <h3sp4wn> Asako: Sun xVM Guest Additions Early Access 2 (search on the download center the ones I have are older) [22:24:55] *** Teo` has quit IRC [22:31:07] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [22:31:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [22:32:27] *** stevel has quit IRC [22:33:24] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [22:33:46] *** Rarok has quit IRC [22:34:13] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [22:37:09] *** jayk- has quit IRC [22:41:22] *** _Auralis has joined #opensolaris [22:42:18] *** luc^ has quit IRC [22:43:27] *** mvainer has joined #opensolaris [22:44:04] <mvainer> Hi, i have a somewhat stupid question - can't find the release schedule for 2008.11 [22:44:20] <mvainer> specifically, i know 100 was a RC1, is there an expected date for actual release? [22:45:07] <h3sp4wn> mvainer: Assume the absolute last second in November [22:45:27] <mvainer> You mean december? [22:45:43] <h3sp4wn> No it wouldn't be .11 if it was december [22:45:51] <mvainer> right... [22:45:52] <reflect> probably january [22:45:56] <mvainer> :) [22:46:13] <mvainer> sorry, i am new to opensolaris, don't completely understand the release scheme yet [22:46:24] <mvainer> so each month is a stable release? [22:46:52] <reflect> name a single thing in life that YOU have something to say about, that you can say with absolute certainty that things will happen at a certain date.. [22:47:09] <mvainer> :) [22:47:13] <e^ipi> mvainer, no, every 6 months [22:47:35] <e^ipi> the current cycle is due for 2008.11 [22:47:41] <e^ipi> which means some time in november [22:47:52] <e^ipi> best to assume that it'll be 11:59pm on the 30th [22:48:00] <e^ipi> it may come earlier, but i wouldn't bank on it [22:48:07] <mvainer> thanks, that is what i was looking for.. so last release of november is considered "stable" for that cycle, right? [22:48:21] <reflect> they modelled their release after ubuntu? or was it prior to that? [22:48:23] <e^ipi> as stable as it's gonna get anyways [22:48:34] <mvainer> :) [22:48:35] <e^ipi> reflect, no, it was modelled after gnome [22:48:38] <e^ipi> as was ubuntu [22:49:03] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris [22:49:10] <reflect> ah, I see [22:49:12] <reflect> thank you [22:49:15] <mvainer> thanks e^ipi, i really appreciate the input. I am considering to use opensolaris in production, used several different builds [22:49:21] <mvainer> but b99 gave us some problems [22:49:47] <e^ipi> 98, 99, 100, and 101 had various problems [22:49:51] *** PicCard has quit IRC [22:49:54] <e^ipi> 101a is decent though so far [22:50:02] <e^ipi> ( that's what 2008.11 is built on ) [22:50:22] <Asako> SXCE is great [22:50:41] <mvainer> Is SXCE on the same schedule? [22:50:52] <e^ipi> no, SXCE comes out every 2 weeks [22:51:21] <e^ipi> and never has "Stable" releases in the traditional sense, it's the development train [22:51:41] <Asako> at least I can trust solaris to not panic when I mount an iscsi target [22:51:50] <mvainer> i see. so Opensolaris 2008.11 would be more suitable than SXCE, right? [22:51:57] <mvainer> i mean for production [22:51:58] <e^ipi> mvainer, define suitable [22:52:08] <e^ipi> joyent uses SXCE in production [22:52:14] <mvainer> better tested, less of a moving target.. [22:52:16] <e^ipi> i don't know of anyone using 2008.05 in production [22:52:17] <nachox> Asako, what has panicked when you mounted an iscsi target? [22:52:22] <Asako> nachox, centos 5 [22:52:27] <nachox> really? [22:52:30] <Asako> yup [22:52:33] <Asako> brand new install [22:52:39] <nachox> well, it's not like i'm surprised... [22:52:43] <e^ipi> mvainer, i dunno, i mean there's a bunch of new stuff that hasn't been "proven" yet in 2008.xx [22:52:44] <Asako> all I did was install the iscsi package and run discovery [22:52:49] <e^ipi> IPS, mostly [22:52:55] <Asako> soon as it mounts, kernel panic [22:53:14] <e^ipi> mvainer, what is it exactly that you're trying to do with the machines [22:53:20] <e^ipi> it may be that Solaris10 is most suitable for you [22:53:22] *** dburge has quit IRC [22:53:47] <e^ipi> because that one /is/ tested and more strict about what goes in [22:53:50] <mvainer> ESX mounted storage through NFS, ZFS as the main storage. b99 gave real issues in NFS mounting [22:53:50] <Asako> I like that too, but AVS isn't included [22:54:06] <e^ipi> mmhmm [22:54:20] <mvainer> Solaris10 doesn't have all the gnu utils we need to use [22:54:38] <Doc> i think you can buy them from GNU, or something... [22:54:42] <Asako> lol [22:54:44] <mvainer> :) [22:54:45] <Asako> pkgadd [22:54:50] <e^ipi> they install pretty easily, sunfreeware.com [22:55:23] <mvainer> i understand, when we tried our software on it, we had too many issues to be able to timely resolve it [22:55:36] <mvainer> development was done on opensolaris b87 and b97 [22:55:37] <_Auralis> what tools you are missing? [22:55:59] <mvainer> I'd have to go and dig up all the info, can't recall at the moment [22:56:11] *** Auralis_ has quit IRC [22:57:28] <mvainer> I have to run, something came up. Thanks to all the help, i'll be back for more questions if you don't mind. [22:57:36] *** mvainer has quit IRC [22:57:45] <CosmicDJ> we mind... ah damn ;) [22:59:28] <Asako> so is there a reason you can't destroy a zpool by id? [22:59:29] *** victori has quit IRC [23:00:39] <Asako> some how I have a failed rpool on s9 [23:01:14] <CosmicDJ> solaris... 9? [23:01:15] *** victori has joined #opensolaris [23:01:20] <Asako> slice 9 [23:01:49] <Asako> rpool UNAVAIL insufficient replicas [23:01:49] <Asako> c2d0s9 UNAVAIL corrupted data [23:01:53] <CosmicDJ> slice 0 was too low for zfs, or what? ;) [23:01:58] <Asako> no idea [23:02:02] <Asako> not even sure how it got there [23:02:24] <Asako> the box runs fine [23:02:33] <CosmicDJ> IIRC everything below slice 7 points to an EFI label... [23:02:36] <CosmicDJ> above [23:03:07] <CosmicDJ> on sparc at least [23:04:09] *** proberts has quit IRC [23:05:24] *** echolink1833 has quit IRC [23:05:35] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [23:06:31] *** Odin- has quit IRC [23:09:04] *** Rarok has quit IRC [23:09:21] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [23:13:07] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [23:13:16] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [23:15:08] <zahna> is SX[C,D]E considered opensolaris? [23:15:34] <_Auralis> no, its Solaris [23:15:38] <zahna> oh, ok [23:16:20] <CosmicDJ> _Auralis: and solaris is? ;) [23:16:29] <_Auralis> huh? [23:16:31] <houst0n-> CosmicDJ: solaris is a state of mine ... yeaaaaaaaaah [23:16:38] <houst0n-> mind, even [23:16:40] <houst0n-> bah [23:16:40] *** Kernel86_ has joined #OpenSolaris [23:16:56] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [23:18:11] <zahna> does anyone know what the state is of Solaris 11? [23:18:28] <houst0n-> Don't expect it anytime soon [23:18:29] <tobeya> they talked about it vaguely at LISA [23:18:44] <tobeya> basically saying what houst0n said -- "someday but not soon" [23:18:50] <houst0n-> It's widely uttered that SXCE will someday become solaris 11 [23:19:57] <houst0n-> I'm bored :( [23:20:00] <e^ipi> one can probably assume that'll come some time after IPS integrates [23:20:12] <zahna> that would be nice. i really like IPS [23:20:26] <houst0n-> I've not had too many good experiences with ips to really like it very much [23:20:30] <zahna> but that's probably because i come from the linux world [23:20:44] <houst0n-> I'm somewhat used to SVR4 pkgs [23:20:58] <zahna> i'm not [23:21:05] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [23:21:21] <zahna> unless BSD's pkgs are SVR4 [23:21:26] <zahna> which i don't think they are [23:21:38] *** Ponder has left #opensolaris [23:21:47] <houst0n-> Well, SVR4 pkgs are fairly powerful really, hence why they've not been changed in forever [23:21:58] *** migi has joined #opensolaris [23:22:14] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [23:22:17] <CosmicDJ> so powerful they're not even opensourced ;) [23:22:30] <zahna> does all software on a solaris system belong to a package? [23:22:38] <houst0n-> zahna: Hopefully ... ! [23:22:50] <e^ipi> i'm a fan of sysv packages *shrug* [23:23:12] <zahna> well, on FreeBSD for example, the system itself is just a bunch of files. no packages. [23:23:17] *** derchris has quit IRC [23:23:23] <zahna> i didn't know whether solaris was the same [23:23:32] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [23:23:41] <_Auralis> yes, solaris systemsoftware is all in pkgs [23:23:53] *** mikefut has quit IRC [23:24:01] *** Aria has quit IRC [23:24:10] *** ejray_ has quit IRC [23:24:20] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris [23:24:42] <Triskelios> zahna: that would create a maintenance nightmare [23:25:32] <zahna> Triskelios: i'm undecided on it so far. [23:25:50] *** dustman has quit IRC [23:25:55] *** dustman has joined #opensolaris [23:26:06] <reflect> zahna: most people would be, who hasn't maintained a system for a few years. [23:26:34] <zahna> reflect: the assumption in your statement is incorrect [23:26:39] *** kimc has quit IRC [23:26:57] *** hsp has quit IRC [23:27:08] <reflect> zahna: without packages, it would mean you would know nothing about which packages would be affected by upgrading perl from 5.8.5 to 5.8.10 [23:27:19] <reflect> zahna: no, it's not incorrect [23:27:22] <houst0n-> The last time I used freebsd (a loooooooong time ago) if there was a security or stability patch for something you had to cvsup your local version of the src and rebuild the affected component [23:27:32] <houst0n-> this has improved with binary updates (afaik) now [23:28:15] <zahna> reflect: it is incorrect. i've maintained systems for a while now. [23:28:26] <houst0n-> lets not get personal guys [23:28:32] <houst0n-> =) [23:28:47] <reflect> zahna: what you call is 'just a bunch of files' is actually a carefully maintained system [23:29:02] <zahna> in the case of FreeBSD, the core system is upgraded in its entirety [23:29:04] <reflect> it's your wording that is creating the confusion [23:29:13] <houst0n-> freebsd's core is a very well looked after "bunch of files" [23:29:24] <houst0n-> so it's not a problem [23:29:38] <zahna> yes, it is. my point was those core files aren't in packages. [23:30:09] <houst0n-> so say there's a problem with bind (which is part of core, isn't it?) [23:30:15] <reflect> package or not.. why do you care if it's one or the other? [23:30:16] <houst0n-> how do you upgrade that? do the whole lot? [23:30:28] <turtle> you would just install bind from ports and it wouldn't overwrite the bind in the base system [23:30:40] <turtle> because it would be in /usr/local instead of in the base [23:30:52] <houst0n-> What if there's a local root hole in some /usr/sbin ? [23:30:57] <CosmicDJ> houst0n-: you apply the patch and rebuild (exact steps in the patch), or you do a binary update (provided by freebsd) [23:31:04] <houst0n-> hmm [23:31:09] <houst0n-> I prefer solaris's approach [23:31:10] <turtle> then you cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/whatever/ grab the patch and rebuild it [23:31:11] <zahna> houst0n-: yeah, you upgrade the entire "core", which amounts to the few files in question [23:32:05] <zahna> CosmicDJ: i wasn't aware of binary updates in FreeBSD. interesting. [23:32:16] <houst0n-> They've been around since 6.x I thin [23:32:34] <houst0n-> i should stick freebsd in a vm see how well it handles zfs [23:32:37] <houst0n-> anyone used it? [23:32:38] <zahna> oh, then i do things the old way [23:32:39] <turtle> i use it [23:32:52] <houst0n-> does it have zfs root support? [23:33:02] <CosmicDJ> zahna: freebsd-update [23:33:06] <turtle> nope [23:33:13] <turtle> you can have zfs / but you need a little ufs slice for the kernel [23:33:17] <turtle> no booting yet [23:33:20] <houst0n-> that's unfortunate [23:33:24] <turtle> yeah it is [23:33:31] <houst0n-> I try to keep only one FS on my systems [23:33:48] <houst0n-> so I've not deployed zfs anywhere yet (will change when we upgrade to 10/08) [23:33:54] <turtle> it's still 'experimental' [23:34:00] <reflect> zahna: how many machines do you maintain, and for how long.. if I may ask? [23:34:46] <turtle> works pretty well though, they say zfs boot is done for freebsd but it hasn't been released yet. the zfs port to freebsd is handled by one person so it's pretty slow to get things done..even if he is a ninja. [23:35:58] *** axisys has quit IRC [23:36:21] <zahna> reflect: my previous job was about 10 machiD[D[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[Cnes for ~5 years, my current job has 50 or so [23:36:42] <houst0n-> one person? [23:36:46] <houst0n-> yikes [23:36:59] <houst0n-> that's never good [23:37:00] <Asako> can I run linux in an xvm? [23:37:29] <zahna> reflect: but i haven't run FreeBSD in production, which is why i don't know how well it would play out [23:38:08] <Asako> guess there's no reason you couldn't [23:38:13] <houst0n-> I have - it's rock hard as a little mta [23:38:21] <houst0n-> freebsd+exim is used a lot in telco/isp [23:38:24] <reflect> zahna: ok.. now add 200+ workstations to that.. and around 100 or so servers.. do you still wish to administer things without a package manager? [23:38:32] <Asako> I thought it would be qmail [23:38:43] <houst0n-> I've never seen that happen, i'm sure it does though [23:38:44] <turtle> qmail? now that's a mean thing to say [23:38:47] <Asako> lol [23:38:52] <houst0n-> Hell there are people out there who use gentoo as a _SERVER_ os [23:38:53] <reflect> zahna: my question is a bit unfair, I know [23:38:54] <Asako> I actually set up qmail on a zfs volume [23:38:56] <houst0n-> I've seen it with my own eyes [23:39:00] <houst0n-> :| [23:39:05] *** Rarok has quit IRC [23:39:27] <reflect> zahna: naturally, anything CAN be done.. it's just a matter of resources and how much you want to pay for it [23:39:28] <zahna> reflect: that's what i'm still not sure about, put those files in SVN and use puppet... it might work just fine. [23:39:45] *** Fish has quit IRC [23:39:49] <Asako> we have 6-7k servers here [23:39:55] <Asako> thank god for yum [23:40:25] <houst0n-> Ugh linux stuff we have seperate people for those [23:40:25] <reflect> zahna: that's a good approach.. but by doing so, it requires a certain infrastructure.. once that isn't required if you use the packages already done by others.. [23:40:42] <houst0n-> They seem to like it a lot, but they don't really speak to us very often... I think we scare them [23:40:56] <reflect> houst0n-: "linux stuff"? [23:40:58] <Asako> I do appreciate linux, it gives me a job [23:41:13] <Asako> web hosting in general wouldn't be possible without open source [23:41:16] <houst0n-> reflect: Asako> thank god for yum <-- yum == redhat thing [23:41:22] <houst0n-> err [23:41:23] <zahna> reflect: actually, the puppet portion would still be needed, no matter what unix platform you use [23:41:30] <e^ipi> Asako: nonsense, it would just cost a little more [23:41:43] <Asako> right, and it's a price sensitive market [23:41:45] <e^ipi> not that much more though [23:41:52] <Asako> windows license is $20/month [23:42:02] <Asako> * a few thousand servers... [23:42:04] <reflect> back in 2002, some moron at a "datacenter" told me that "opensource" didn't belong in the datacenter.. we just laughed at him and wondered if he used perl, sendmail or any other "proper tool" [23:42:05] <houst0n-> all the linux guys in my office have bright yellow zsh prompts and use nano to do .. whatever they do. they just don't seem ... professional to me I don't know [23:42:30] <houst0n-> when I have to interact with them I find I have to lead them to the answered that I realistically already knew but wanted to hear from someone else [23:42:37] <Asako> if linux/freebsd didn't exist would opensolaris even be around? [23:42:57] <Asako> or would it be locked up, like VMS? [23:42:59] <hrist> houst0n-: because of nano, or because of the yellow zsh prompt? :p [23:43:00] <houst0n-> Asako: If blues didn't ever exist would we have metallica? Does it matteR? [23:43:03] <reflect> houst0n-: that has nothing to do with linux, please don't assosiate it with linux.. [23:43:08] <turtle> wtf is wrong with bright yellow zsh prompts?! [23:43:18] <Asako> you can run zsh on solaris [23:43:21] <houst0n-> hrist: Bit of both ;) [23:43:27] <hrist> houst0n-: :) [23:43:35] <_Auralis> zsh ftw! [23:43:41] <houst0n-> reflect: I know it doesn't, I wasn't 'dissin the OS because of a few furry toothed RHCE geeks [23:43:41] <reflect> houst0n-: that's like assosiating all the fucked up things on TV with humanity [23:43:42] <hrist> I kinda switch between emacs, mg,vi and vim [23:43:46] <Asako> although bash is my default shell [23:44:06] <houst0n-> I started life on freebsd, so i've used tcsh for ......... years [23:44:10] <houst0n-> nom nom nom [23:44:16] <hrist> tasty? [23:44:20] <CosmicDJ> houst0n-: hehe same here :) [23:44:38] <Asako> tcsh seems so weird [23:44:46] <reflect> houst0n-: then.. please.. don't utter such statements [23:45:13] <houst0n-> reflect: What part of the "They don't seem ... professional to me" did you think was my insulting linux? [23:45:13] <reflect> they only serve to further the rift between solaris and linux [23:45:16] <houst0n-> Do you need to read it again? [23:45:31] <houst0n-> I was talking about a group of people not a somewhat poorly written kernel [23:45:35] *** osladil has quit IRC [23:45:50] <Asako> I know what you mean [23:45:54] <reflect> < houst0n-> Ugh linux stuff we have seperate people for those [23:46:10] <Asako> after using solaris enough linux makes me say ugh too [23:46:13] <reflect> that was the statement I didn't like [23:46:18] <houst0n-> Oh, gosh you're right. [23:46:51] <Asako> so, can I install a linux guest using virt-install? [23:47:38] <houst0n-> either way it's not a very big deal - I will be sure to ask for forgiveness should I ever join a church though. and I'd hope that anyone here would be wise enough not to take anything they read on irc as fact - especially not from a half drunken scot on a friday night ;) [23:47:54] <Asako> yeah [23:47:59] <houst0n-> but: sorry linux - I didn't mean it! >_< [23:48:01] <xRaich[o]2x> Asako: how about a branded zone? [23:48:02] <Asako> I never take anything on irc seriously [23:48:03] <reflect> houst0n-: that wasn't my point :) [23:48:18] <Asako> zone might work, but I want to stick with xen [23:48:23] <reflect> houst0n-: either way, you're an OK guy, it takes alot to admit your wrong, and still keep your head [23:48:39] <xRaich[o]2x> ah ok [23:48:39] *** jimerickson has left #opensolaris [23:48:45] <houst0n-> reflect: Have you ever hung out in ##freebsd? the solaris communitity does have it's elitest zealots, but not as bad as others [23:48:55] <e^ipi> haha, try openbsd [23:48:56] <houst0n-> fortunately I'm not one [23:48:57] <houst0n-> =) [23:49:00] <e^ipi> those guys hate you [23:49:04] <e^ipi> i love those guys [23:49:13] <houst0n-> I hate theo, we're even [23:49:13] <CosmicDJ> i <3 #netbsd@ircnet [23:49:13] *** bits45 has joined #opensolaris [23:49:22] <reflect> houst0n-: perhaps some 7 or so years ago.. I went from solaris, to fbsd, to obsd to linux [23:49:26] <reflect> and now, nexenta [23:49:27] <e^ipi> if you think we're arrogant , talk to openbsd people , they'll show you how it's done [23:49:39] <Asako> true [23:49:40] <nachox> openbsd guys are really helpful when you show them you have done your research first [23:49:42] <vmlemon_> Miod vs Theo rant, anyone? ;) [23:49:43] *** bits45 has quit IRC [23:49:50] <e^ipi> nachox: yeah [23:49:55] <houst0n-> I've never tried nexenta [23:49:59] <e^ipi> they just don't stand for idiots [23:50:03] <houst0n-> Do you user it in production or just at home? [23:50:12] <e^ipi> houst0n-: it's like linux, mostly [23:50:15] <Asako> nexenta is kind of neat [23:50:17] <reflect> houst0n-: take the solaris kernel and tools.. and apply gnu userland tools [23:50:25] <e^ipi> the kernel isn't crap, but the userland is pretty braindead [23:50:43] <Asako> but why not just run solaris 10? [23:51:00] <reflect> now, e^ipi's statement implies alot of personal crap [23:51:04] <houst0n-> Define gnu userland? [23:51:06] <nachox> i used one of their early beta and had problems updating it, after that i used only sun stuff [23:51:07] <houst0n-> you mean it has coreutils? [23:51:17] <reflect> houst0n-: apt-get, make, gnu cc [23:51:22] <Asako> it's basically debian/opensolaris [23:51:32] <houst0n-> Ah, I'm not a fan of any of these =) [23:51:33] <nachox> e^ipi, you still work at sun, right? [23:51:39] <e^ipi> funnier would be if they made it the other way around [23:51:39] <houst0n-> pkg-get, dmake, suncc ++ [23:51:44] *** bigjocker has quit IRC [23:51:56] <e^ipi> linux kernel with solaris userland "all the familiarity and userfriendliness of solaris, with the stability of linux" [23:51:59] <reflect> houst0n-: take the CORE solaris kernel.. and its tools.. and then take the rest from ubuntu/debian [23:52:07] <houst0n-> e^ipi: I would pay for that. [23:52:12] <houst0n-> although i'd miss the kernel [23:52:12] <nachox> i wouldnt [23:52:14] <reflect> e^ipi: now you're just talking out of your ass [23:52:28] <e^ipi> reflect: yes, it is what we in the business call a "joke" [23:52:30] <houst0n-> nachox: Not to actually use, just to install on my friends PC =) [23:52:38] <reflect> e^ipi: then add a smiley [23:52:48] <houst0n-> He's a bigtime "linux > ALL" style person [23:53:05] <houst0n-> I'd like to see him use xpg4 bins for a few days [23:53:09] <Asako> lol [23:53:34] <nachox> houst0n-, that has a name, it's called stupidity, and a cure, it's call suicide :) [23:53:45] *** migi has quit IRC [23:53:47] * houst0n- shrugs [23:53:49] <nachox> *called [23:54:30] <houst0n-> I don't see the big deal around the "gnu" userland... apart from to attract linux people [23:54:35] <Asako> now I gotta remember how to mount an iscsi target [23:55:01] <reflect> houst0n-: you're right.. it's no big deal, apart to attract people who are used to it [23:55:26] <houst0n-> But we should attract them with dtrace, zones, zfs.. I guess it makes the transition easier? But realistically if they can't use a solaris 10 machine at all because ls --color=yes doesn't work then I don't really want them near my systems [23:55:28] <reflect> and the ones who ARE used to it, get a very stable kernel, plus dtrace, zfs and alot of other things [23:56:14] <nachox> some cool solaris features cant be used with the gnu userland, that is a big deal to me [23:56:15] <reflect> houst0n-: if you think it's because of ls --color=yes.. then you're quite arrogant.. [23:56:34] <houst0n-> reflect: you need to stop taking everything I say quite so literally [23:56:45] <houst0n-> i.e lighten up ;) jeez [23:56:45] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris [23:56:54] <e^ipi> far as i can tell it's mostly for --gnu-long-options [23:57:03] <e^ipi> which, if you use ksh93, are already there [23:57:10] <houst0n-> I know all about this subject, in fact, i'm the gnu coreutils maintainer for blastwave [23:57:31] <houst0n-> so you _CAN_ have ls --color=yes on solaris 8 if you want.. REALLY! [23:57:39] <houst0n-> worth it? probably not. [23:58:12] <e^ipi> houst0n-: c'mon now... ACL's are for suckers... colours are way more important than core OS features [23:58:21] <reflect> houst0n-: but you're making it sound like that all the gnu people is after.. you're making fun of them at their expense, and you're asking me to lighten up? [23:58:25] <e^ipi> or multibyte language support [23:58:40] <houst0n-> reflect: I'm making fun of them at my expense really, I could be getting paid for this you know [23:58:47] <e^ipi> heh [23:58:48] <CIA-34> Anthony Scarpino <Anthony.Scarpino at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2006/684 libsoftcrypto, 4911870 pkcs11_softtoken crypto should be factored out into a new library to support $PLATFORM & $HWCAP [23:58:50] <e^ipi> houst0n-++ [23:59:01] <CIA-34> Cathy Zhou <Cathy.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: 6757536 nwam in maintenance after boot, ifconfig core dump with large stack [23:59:03] <houst0n-> ;) [23:59:10] <Asako> ok, how do I access an iscsi disk? [23:59:25] <nachox> that's a cool bug, ifconfig dumps code with large stack, hehe [23:59:27] <houst0n-> where's 102 then? [23:59:53] * reflect sighs