[00:00:56] <c00p> ok - I am searching around now ... I tried on my home but it did not seem to work how I had hoped by just creating the volume, syncing the contents and changing the mount point of the volume
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[00:08:10] <kimc> the -discuss list isn't sending to the email gate.. anyone else seeing this ?
[00:08:30] <_mary_kate_> you mean the forum?
[00:08:35] <kimc> yes
[00:08:50] <alanc> I only read the lists via e-mail, so I wouldn't be seeing anything not coming through the e-mail gateway
[00:09:23] <kimc> right i'm talking about not seeing any traffic on the -discuss list for about a day
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[00:12:39] <kimc> no attempts in the email server log, looks like its not working
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[00:14:49] <kimc> theres a post in the forum today at 3:01 pm which was cc'd to the email list
[00:15:12] <alanc> which -discuss list?   opensolaris-discuss or one of the community/project ones?
[00:15:25] <alanc> I know I've gotten e-mail from a bunch of opensoalris lists today
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[00:16:52] <kimc> just reinstalled b101 on the same hardware where 2008.11 had been running for the past 3 days
[00:18:06] <kimc> works fine, does not have the same tendency to 'hang' -not echoing characters on an ssh session and was doing the same on an xterm locally
[00:18:47] <kimc> hmm.. no i spoke too soon, its doing it on 2008.11 too argh
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[00:24:18] <kimc> gn all
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[00:32:52] <sickness> I'm back
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[00:41:44] <shaya> I'm trying to play with nexenta and there's no one in #nexenta.  How does one add a default gateway in open solaris
[00:41:53] <shaya> in linux I'd do "route add default gw addr"
[00:42:09] <syndrome71> it's almost the same -
[00:42:21] <syndrome71> route add default ipaddress-of-gateway
[00:42:43] <shaya> that's what I'd think
[00:42:46] <shaya> or I tried
[00:42:49] <shaya> but its not working for me
[00:42:55] <syndrome71> what was the output?
[00:42:56] <shaya> perhaps my ethernet adapter isn't supported
[00:43:04] <syndrome71> can you see it in ifconfig?
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[00:43:37] <shaya> add met default: gateway 192.168.0.1
[00:43:39] <shaya> yes
[00:43:43] <shaya> I can see it in ifconfig
[00:43:49] <shaya> had to ifconfig it manually
[00:43:56] <shaya> rge0
[00:43:57] <_mary_kate_> that means it added the route
[00:44:24] <syndrome71> and if you do a netstat -rn you should be able to see it
[00:44:35] <shaya> yes
[00:44:36] <shaya> I can
[00:45:03] <shaya> hmm
[00:45:06] <shaya> but resolving isn't working
[00:45:09] <shaya> that's the issue
[00:45:19] <_mary_kate_> edit /etc/resolv.conf, and cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
[00:46:29] <shaya> I edited /etc/resolv.conf
[00:46:33] <shaya> but that didn't seem to be the issue
[00:46:40] <_mary_kate_> did you read the other half of my sentence?
[00:46:44] <shaya> though could be wrong, as an ssh to the ip didnt work either
[00:47:08] <shaya> yes
[00:47:16] <prav33n> shaya, Can you ping your gateway and DNS servers?
[00:47:16] <shaya> but as I said, an ssh to the ip doesn't work either
[00:47:23] <shaya> my gateway is the dns server
[00:47:27] <shaya> and yes I can ping it
[00:47:37] <prav33n> Try
[00:47:46] <prav33n> Try 'dig google.com'
[00:47:56] <dustman> I had similar problem when ipfilter was blocking dns server
[00:48:11] <shaya> no dig
[00:48:21] <prav33n> 'nslookup google.com'
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[00:48:50] <shaya> no nslookup either :)
[00:49:28] <dustman> for me stopping ipfilter and restarting network solved the problem
[00:50:01] <prav33n> Do you have bind installed?
[00:50:12] <shaya> nope
[00:50:15] <shaya> base nexenta install
[00:50:23] <prav33n> It is strange to see a system without nslookup and dig
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[00:50:25] <shaya> mostly trying to play with it
[00:51:07] <prav33n> Check if you have /usr/sbin in your path
[00:51:20] <prav33n> They might be present in /usr/sbin
[00:51:25] <shaya> I do
[00:51:30] <shaya> and checked them anyways
[00:51:34] <shaya> its not there
[00:51:45] <shaya> and while I can ping internet based sites
[00:51:48] <shaya> anything else fails
[00:51:48] <alanc> try 'getent hosts google.com'
[00:52:15] <shaya> just hanging there
[00:52:33] <shaya> hmm, no virtual consoles in opensolaris?
[00:52:36] <shaya> that would make life easier :)
[00:52:45] <_mary_kate_> virtual consoles are coming RSN(tm)
[00:52:46] <alanc> that goes through the list of nameservices in /etc/nsswitch.conf to find hostnames
[00:53:03] <alanc> virtual consoles are in nv_100 and later for text-mode consoles (i.e. no X)
[00:53:19] <shaya> ah
[00:53:21] <alanc> virtual console support for X is coming RSN
[00:53:23] <shaya> and nexenta is ancient
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[00:53:29] <prav33n> alanc, I have snv_101a
[00:53:33] <shaya> like b85+ or something
[00:53:41] <prav33n> How to turn virtual consoles on?
[00:53:46] <prav33n> Is it an SMF service?
[00:53:52] <_mary_kate_> type 'screen' ;)
[00:53:56] <shaya> yes
[00:53:59] <shaya> screen would work
[00:54:11] <alanc> there are SMF services associated - let me find the instructions
[00:54:30] <prav33n> I see these SMF services
[00:54:31] <prav33n> svc:/system/console-login:vt2
[00:54:31] <alanc> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2008092402/
[00:55:17] <prav33n> alanc, Thanks
[00:55:24] <alanc> that page lists all the services, and has a link to their Xorg test binary if you want to test X switching too
[00:56:04] <prav33n> alanc, Is the X support planned for snv_102?
[00:56:12] <alanc> nope
[00:56:14] <shaya> hmm
[00:56:17] <shaya> what does this mean
[00:56:19] <alanc> more like nv_106
[00:56:22] <prav33n> Will 2008.11 be based on snv_101?
[00:56:30] <shaya> in.routed[425]: route 0.0.0.0 --> 192.168.0.1 nexthop is not directly connected
[00:56:32] <prav33n> alanc, Oh, okay
[00:56:46] <alanc> yes, 2008.11 will be snv_101a + bugfixes
[00:56:53] <prav33n> alanc, Great
[00:57:04] <_mary_kate_> will 2008.11 have a bugfix repository instead of constant full updates to a new build?
[00:58:20] <alanc> _mary_kate_: yes, according to sch: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=300358&tstart=0
[00:58:43] <alanc> though with very limited bugfixes for people not paying for support contracts
[00:59:17] <alanc> (as described in the thread at the above url)
[00:59:46] <dustman> hm, opensolaris with support contracts..
[00:59:55] <_mary_kate_> they're going to start charging money for OS updates?  lulz
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[01:01:18] <syndrome71> have a read of the thread - I don't think it's charging for the OS - it's about the patches / between release stuff.
[01:01:30] <_mary_kate_> syndrome71: that's why i said updates
[01:01:36] <_mary_kate_> (i mean changes equivalent to S10 patches)
[01:02:28] <alanc> biweekly development builds will be free, but if you want to stay on the stable branch, and get bugfixes backported to that, it will cost
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[01:04:41] <_mary_kate_> i can't see many people paying for that when the only support option is 48 hours response, online only
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[01:31:20] <prav33n> Finally I was able to get the stack trace for the Firefox crash (that is happening since snv_101a update)
[01:31:23] <prav33n> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1254819
[01:31:45] <prav33n> This happens whenever I type the first letter in the address bar
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[01:32:03] <prav33n> Any pointers?
[01:33:30] <prav33n> alanc, Does this one look like a bug that I should file in defect.opensolaris.org?
[01:34:05] <prav33n> I am trying to make sure that this is not something that I see because of my local changes
[01:35:32] <alanc> prav33n: I would think so, though I don't know what local changes you've made
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[01:58:54] <prav33n> alanc, By local changes I actually meant the image-update changes
[01:59:03] <prav33n> Mine is not a fresh install
[01:59:24] <prav33n> I installed snv_86 and kept image-updating each incremental release
[01:59:32] <prav33n> I will file a bug anyway
[01:59:34] <prav33n> alanc, Thanks
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[02:20:53] <wesw> anyone able to help me boot OS 2008.11 (b101a) after a botched /etc/X11/xorg.conf setup.  I'm unable to reboot into single-user mode to fix xorg.conf  Any pointers?
[02:21:50] <wesw> setup just stays on the new graphical boot screen and never goes anywhere.
[02:22:27] <alanc> you can get text boot screen back by editing the grub menu - delete the splashimage line, and the console=graphics from the end of the kernel arguments
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[02:23:13] <alanc> next RC should have a text boot option added in grub
[02:23:19] <wesw> ok, i only removed the console=graphics before, i'll try w/o the splashimage.  thanks.
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[02:24:12] <wesw> instant success.   MANY thanks Alan!
[02:24:58] <alanc> no problem - I learned that the hard way, after I sys-unconfig'ed mine and got stuck there
[02:25:23] <wesw> I hate to admit I've spent almost two hours on this before resorting to IRC.
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[02:32:07] <wesw> yep, i had already found bug #1812 tonight, but 2008.11 is already a vast improvement it's now finally the default host OS on my laptop
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[02:32:48] <bahamat> solaris 10 10/08 supports zfs boot, does opensolaris?
[02:32:55] <wesw> yes
[02:33:31] <wesw> and it's the default in later builds.  solaris 10 10/08 it's only an option.
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[02:33:51] <bahamat> wesw: thanks.  why should I choose solaris over opensolaris, or vice versa?  I don't exactly understand the differences
[02:34:12] <_mary_kate_> bahamat: opensolaris gets new code immediately and isn't supported.  solaris 10 only gets backported of stable features, and is supported
[02:34:14] <wesw> for production use?  home use?  that makes a BIG difference
[02:34:19] <bahamat> I ordered a CD that arrived a few days ago, so I'd assume that it defaults to zfs boot
[02:34:33] <e^ipi> cd or dvd?
[02:34:46] <e^ipi> and when it boots, is it a livecd
[02:35:01] <bahamat> e^ipi: I think it's a cd...don't have it with me right now, but the image is less than 700M
[02:35:09] <bahamat> yes, it's live
[02:35:13] <e^ipi> probably 2008.05 then
[02:35:19] <e^ipi> then yes, it's zfs boot
[02:35:30] <e^ipi> not by default, by mandate...
[02:35:30] <bahamat> I have 3 reasons I want to use solaris
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[02:36:04] <bahamat> 1, to learn more about it, and how it works.  2, investigate viability for production deployment.  3, production deployment
[02:36:18] <wesw> i stand corrected, zfs by "mandate" in newer builds.  ;)
[02:36:23] <e^ipi> then use solaris 10 because 2008.05 is not viable for production
[02:36:47] <e^ipi> it's evolving too quickly, and not supported in the same way S10 is
[02:36:55] <e^ipi> there are bugs, they will bite you.
[02:37:09] <e^ipi> for a desktop though, it works alright
[02:37:12] <bahamat> is that really the main difference?
[02:37:34] <wesw> it's the most important difference
[02:37:41] <e^ipi> that one is so new that it breaks occasionally and so you can't really buy support for it?
[02:37:44] <e^ipi> yeah... that's pretty much it
[02:37:52] <wesw> if you are considering something for production use
[02:38:06] <e^ipi> package manager is new, filesystem layout defaults are new
[02:38:18] <bahamat> I'm used to Debian, so if anyone is familiar with that, can I consider OpenSolaris equivalent to testing or unstable? and S10 is analog to stable?
[02:38:37] <e^ipi> that's a not-unfair assesment
[02:38:52] <e^ipi> except opensolaris is a lot more like freebsd's -HEAD
[02:38:54] <bahamat> will the package system become part of S10?
[02:39:01] <e^ipi> no, likely not
[02:39:11] <e^ipi> it may become part of whatever sun decides to call the next release of solaris though
[02:39:28] <bahamat> that's a shame...I read a page on it at opensolaris.org, and it looks sexy
[02:40:24] <bahamat> is there an upcoming successor to solaris 10?
[02:40:45] <_mary_kate_> no one knows what Solaris 11 will be, or if it'll even exist
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[02:41:06] <e^ipi> that statement holds true even for those that work at sun
[02:41:23] <bahamat> granted, I don't know much about solaris, but sticking with solaris 10 <month/year> seems like a good system to me
[02:41:41] <_mary_kate_> bahamat: forever?  Solaris 10 Update 57 sounds a bit silly
[02:42:02] <_mary_kate_> plus, not all changes are allowed to go back into S10, depending on what binding they have
[02:42:03] <e^ipi> there are also compatibility requirements that get in the way
[02:42:10] <bahamat> _mary_kate_: no, but soaris 10 4/16 seems reasonable
[02:42:28] <alanc> the IPS package manager will be available on Solaris 10 for installing some additional packages, like the JES servers, but the core OS for Solaris 10 will stay in the current package format, since completely changing how you package the OS is really releasing a new version
[02:42:31] <_mary_kate_> bahamat: why?  the version number has become meaningless
[02:42:35] <bahamat> _mary_kate_: what do you mean by binding?
[02:42:36] <_mary_kate_> bahamat: just call it Solaris 2016.04
[02:42:38] <e^ipi> bahamat: sun guarantees certain things won't change in minor versions ( s9, s10, etc )
[02:42:58] <e^ipi> if you want them to change, they need to go to the next minor version ( s11 if the naming stays the same )
[02:43:18] <_mary_kate_> bahamat: binding is a contract established when a new feature or API change is approved to go into the code.  it controls what release the change can appear in.  e.g. a change with patch binding can appear in a solaris 10 update or patch
[02:43:30] <alanc> OpenSolaris xVM Enterprise Long Term Support Edition 2012.04
[02:43:42] <_mary_kate_> there's also interface stability, which is what e^ipi is talking about
[02:43:58] <_mary_kate_> if an interface has 'minor' stability, it can't change in S10, but it might change in S11.  people rely on that
[02:44:11] <bahamat> I see
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[02:44:16] <bahamat> as I said, I'm new to all of this
[02:44:25] <e^ipi> other things are guaranteed across major versions ( sunos4, sunos5)... last time that went up was in 1991 when sunos4 (BSD) became sunos5 (SysV)
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[02:44:53] <bahamat> I've actually never used a proprietary product in a production environment
[02:45:05] <e^ipi> it's open source
[02:45:08] <e^ipi> not proprietary
[02:45:09] <bahamat> I'm not used to things with "timelines" or "road maps"
[02:45:12] <_mary_kate_> this is nothing to do with it being proprietary
[02:45:40] <bahamat> e^ipi: but only recently.  S10 has a lot more structured development than Linux
[02:45:55] <e^ipi> so does opensolaris
[02:46:01] <_mary_kate_> again, nothing to do with being proprietary.  opensolaris is just a structued as solaris ever was, despite being open source
[02:46:19] <_mary_kate_> you can't randomly commit new interfaces to opensolaris, they have to be approved by ARC (and assigned a binding, etc)
[02:46:21] <e^ipi> random shit tossed together doesn't make it open source, it just makes it chaotic and unreliable
[02:46:41] <wesw> far more like FreeBSD than Linux...  feels like it's "DESIGNED" not just "created"
[02:46:53] <bahamat> well I guess proprietary wasn't exactly what I meant
[02:47:35] <bahamat> wesw: debian feels a lot more designed than most other distros, but is still very different than solaris
[02:48:20] <e^ipi> bahamat: not if you've used anything but linux it doesn't
[02:48:35] <e^ipi> a million monkeys at a million computers, etc
[02:48:51] <wesw> true, and of Linux distros, Debian's my fav....but that's after Solars, then FreeBSD, then...Debian.
[02:49:12] <bahamat> e^ipi: granted...I've only ever run Linux in my datacenter
[02:49:43] <e^ipi> come to the dark side, you'll wonder how you could've ever relied on that, and start fearing for the world
[02:49:51] <bahamat> I have a huge influence on our platform, and I'm interested in switching to solaris
[02:50:32] <bahamat> there's only one thing I know of that ties me to Linux at this point
[02:50:56] <wesw> www.joyent.com runs a large portion of their production business on opensolaris, but that's not to say it's for everyone
[02:50:59] <e^ipi> masochism?
[02:51:07] <_mary_kate_> from what i've heard of joyent, i wouldn't do something because they did it ;)
[02:51:12] <bahamat> e^ipi: the stat netfilter module
[02:51:19] <e^ipi> which does what?
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[02:52:15] <wesw> _mary_kate_  i'm a happy customer of theirs, but that doesn't mean monkey-see monkey-do
[02:52:56] <bahamat> e^ipi: it lets you modify every "x" packets
[02:53:18] <bahamat> e^ipi: where "x" can be a number, random, or a few other options
[02:54:00] <bahamat> actually, it's just random or nth
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[02:56:55] <wesw> alanc:  thanks again for the grub pointers.  i hope that work-around for console login makes it into the release notes for 2008.11
[02:57:28] <alanc> I don't think it will be needed once they get the text console option into grub by default
[02:58:06] <wesw> i didn't think it was expected before 2008.11 is ready?  if so, even better!
[02:58:33] <bahamat> does anyone know how well solaris works on Apple hardware?
[02:58:53] <CIA-59> Quaker Fang <Quaker.Fang at Sun dot COM>: 6756471 rt2560 has no quiesce(), 6762847 ral should support brussels, 6757031 pcic has no quiesce(), 6762850 ural should support brussels, 6762855 ural has no quiesce(), 6769419 Solaris should support D-Link DWL-G122 B1 adapter, 6769423 ural driver panic due to net80211 assertion failure
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[03:06:59] <lkthomas> hey guys
[03:07:28] <lkthomas> I am wondering how could I recover a deleted file from snapshot ?
[03:07:41] <_mary_kate_> cp /whatever/.zfs/snapshot/whatever/whatever/the_file .
[03:09:20] <lkthomas> I see, thanks.
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[03:25:35] <gcarrier> hi!
[03:25:57] <gcarrier> i'm having trouble with my msi wind under solaris... xorg works using vesa, but not intel...
[03:26:07] <gcarrier> any workaround for 945gme ? :)
[03:27:09] <alanc> I think 945gme support just went back around nv_102 or 103
[03:27:18] <gcarrier> ok, thanks
[03:28:05] <alanc> looks like 103, so a couple more weeks until it's out: 6738342 Need support for Intel i945GME
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[03:28:31] <alanc> I don't know about workarounds until that's available, would have to ask driver guys
[03:29:00] <gcarrier> wooow, a couple more weeks!
[03:29:23] <gcarrier> i'd be okay with build something to make it work...
[03:29:34] <gcarrier> (that would be a first start in the world of opensolaris)
[03:29:34] <alanc> or you could download the current kernel source tree and build it yourself today, since it's been checked in
[03:29:52] <gcarrier> nice. any ref?
[03:30:06] <alanc> (couple more weeks was until isos are built, tested and posted for download)
[03:30:40] <gcarrier> well, the system is installed
[03:30:54] <gcarrier> so i don't want to install it again :)
[03:30:58] <alanc> on how to build?   http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/ has it I think - I normally work on X, not kernel, so am the wrong person to help there
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[03:31:07] <gcarrier> i never install a system again...
[03:31:39] <gcarrier> (except for server <-> laptop)
[03:32:05] <gcarrier> alanc: well, are you sure it's kernel-related?
[03:32:17] <gcarrier> alanc: my first guess would be X drivers-related :)
[03:32:56] <alanc> they had to do a kernel putback for the kernel agpgart controller so X could see it
[03:33:44] <gcarrier> to update my system from a build to another, i have to use sources each time, or everything can be updated via pkg(5) or something?
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[03:34:05] <alanc> I think the xf86-video-intel driver for Xorg already has 945GME support
[03:34:25] <alanc> if you installed OpenSolaris 2008.05 or 2008.11, you can use pkg to update between builds
[03:34:29] <gcarrier> ok
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[03:34:41] <gcarrier> so when will 103 be available through pkg(5)?
[03:34:50] <gcarrier> 2 weeks too?
[03:35:13] <alanc> not sure, since that team is very busy getting 2008.11 released for the next 2 weeks
[03:35:37] <gcarrier> and if i install from sources, i will break pkg(5), won't i?
[03:35:52] <alanc> not sure
[03:36:16] <gcarrier> alanc: i'd rather not do that either :P
[03:36:48] <gcarrier> alanc: i mean, if the best choice is to spend 2 weeks using vesa at the wrong resolution, i can live with it
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[03:38:00] <jbk> well if you're using opensolaris and not sxce
[03:38:06] <jbk> don't even bother trying to build ON
[03:38:31] <jbk> it's not supported, and no one in a position to fix it seems to care
[03:41:40] <gcarrier> okaaay... any page referencing the differences between sxce and opensolaris?
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[03:43:23] <gcarrier> i mean, i can CHANGE systems if one's better :)
[03:45:07] <gcarrier> SXCE can be updated?
[03:46:26] <gcarrier> the only thing i know is that sxce contains more (closed-source) technology
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[03:47:45] <jbk> or just wait for the development pkg repository to be updated
[03:48:28] <gcarrier> jbk: well, if SXCE can be updated, it might be a best shot in the middle term
[03:50:55] <gcarrier> jbk: i'm ok with bleeding edge -- it's a "fun" installation
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[03:54:47] <gcarrier> jbk: so, can sxce be updated please? :)
[03:56:29] <e^ipi> sxce comes out every 2 weeks or so
[03:57:05] <gcarrier> e^ipi: yes, but it can it be updated without burning a CD, erasing the system, etc.?
[03:57:22] <e^ipi> from an older version of SXCE, yeah
[03:57:36] <gcarrier> e^ipi: nice
[03:57:43] <e^ipi> it's called liveupgrade
[03:58:05] <gcarrier> e^ipi: and now, something more tricky: can i update from snv_101a to sxce? :)
[03:58:19] <e^ipi> i'm assuming you mean indiana
[03:58:21] <e^ipi> no
[03:58:45] <e^ipi> you also cannot upgrade from debian 4.0 to RHEL5
[03:58:56] <e^ipi> or from slackware to gentoo, etc
[03:59:15] <e^ipi> two entirely different distros
[03:59:19] <gcarrier> e^ipi: sorry, it's pretty new to me.
[03:59:32] <gcarrier> e^ipi: i have no idea what the differences are in the packaging system and such
[03:59:38] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: but you can upgrade from RHEL to Debian using debootstrap.. it's just like live upgrade ;)
[03:59:41] <gcarrier> e^ipi: you can upgrade from debian to ubuntu!
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[04:00:00] <gcarrier> e^ipi: (at least you was able to, a long time ago)
[04:00:07] <e^ipi> gcarrier: and you can upgrade from s10 to SXCE, because they both use the same packaging system
[04:00:44] <gcarrier> e^ipi: still the same crappy packaging system from good old 4.4BSD time?
[04:00:58] <e^ipi> no, it's the good packaging system from the sysv time
[04:01:00] <_mary_kate_> gcarrier: solaris's packaging system is nothing to do with BSD.. it's from system v
[04:01:26] <gcarrier> ok, system v packaging... i might cry tonight
[04:02:04] <e^ipi> why are you switching to sxce, anyways?
[04:03:02] <gcarrier> e^ipi: don't know. can i change something in the sources, build, install and not break the packaging system?
[04:03:08] <e^ipi> no
[04:03:13] <e^ipi> you can't do that anywhere
[04:03:25] <gcarrier> e^ipi: too bad.
[04:03:37] <e^ipi> *shrug* that's why liveupgrade and image-update exist
[04:03:41] <gcarrier> e^ipi: there's no system where you can build packages in no time?
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[04:04:04] <e^ipi> developers don't really care about package integrity on the test rigs
[04:04:15] <e^ipi> i do a snapshot, BFU, test, and then rollback
[04:04:39] * elektronkind really needs to find a solid job at a solaris-friendly company
[04:04:51] <jklyekai> hello, I want to download IPS in the pkg.opensolaris.org website. How should I do ?  some method ,tools,or command?
[04:05:00] <e^ipi> jklyekai: install opensolaris
[04:05:12] <elektronkind> fighting management who are 5 years too late in drinking the linux kool aid is getting tiresome
[04:05:24] <gcarrier> e^ipi: that's a fair answer
[04:05:31] <gcarrier> e^ipi: i forgot about the whole snapshot thing
[04:05:43] <gcarrier> e^ipi: how do liveupgrade interact with apps installed by hand?
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[04:06:08] <gcarrier> e^ipi: should i NOT use paths like /usr for them?
[04:06:09] <jklyekai> e^ipi, I want to donwload it and use distro-const to make ISO.
[04:06:32] <jklyekai> I think it will fast when IPS is in my local box
[04:07:20] <e^ipi> gcarrier: liveupgrade uninstalls the old packages if they're on the CD, and installs the new ones
[04:07:32] <e^ipi> BFU writes a bunch of stuff across the disk with no regard to the package database
[04:08:10] <e^ipi> it's a developer tool, not meant to be used on machines that you give a damn about
[04:08:37] <gcarrier> e^ipi: which CD?
[04:08:59] <e^ipi> the new solaris version you live upgrade to
[04:09:14] <e^ipi> works with .iso's too, it's not picky
[04:09:20] <gcarrier> e^ipi: it uses an ISO??
[04:09:28] <e^ipi> yes
[04:09:36] <gcarrier> e^ipi: and with pkg(5), you don't have to go through ISOs/CDs, do you?
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[04:09:51] <e^ipi> no, you just image-update and download an iso's worth of stuff anyways
[04:10:15] <gcarrier> e^ipi: i'm a arch linux packager, this kinda freaks me
[04:10:57] <e^ipi> *shrug* linux packaging freaks me out too so we're even
[04:11:13] <e^ipi> total disregard for the system as a whole
[04:11:28] <purserj> e^ipi: which particular packaging system?
[04:11:37] <gcarrier> e^ipi: i'm completely ok with that point of view :))
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[04:12:16] <e^ipi> purserj: i've had the most pain from apt
[04:12:38] <e^ipi> "oh, you installed version x.y.z of foo and q.u.x of bar? those explode together..."
[04:12:49] <e^ipi> test everything together and everything works together
[04:12:57] <gcarrier> e^ipi: i had some trouble interacting with packages i was not informed about so even if i think arch gets less in your way, it's sometime hard for maintainers
[04:13:17] <purserj> any packaging system is going to have a downside
[04:14:26] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: that doesn't seem like a problem with the packaging system
[04:15:08] <e^ipi> no, it's a problem systemic of the sorts of packaging systems in which things are delivered piecemeal
[04:15:33] <_mary_kate_> again, doesn't sound like a problem with the packaging system.  indiana could use apt/dpkg and maintain the exact same development model
[04:21:03] <gcarrier> well, pkg(5) is DAMN slow
[04:21:34] <e^ipi> it's 1) python and 2) damned new
[04:21:48] <alanc> there's performance tuning in progress - the GUI especially is known to need tuning work
[04:21:54] <e^ipi> once required functionality is in, and bugs are out, then the performance issues can be worked on
[04:22:17] <gcarrier> alanc: already stopped using it :P
[04:22:42] <gcarrier> i don't get the packaging model... it downloadss individual files?
[04:23:00] <_mary_kate_> it downloads the difference between the installed version and the version being installed
[04:23:31] <gcarrier> argl, conary logic
[04:24:32] <gcarrier> clever on the paper, turns out to be a pain in foresight linux
[04:25:29] <gcarrier> so for each package, there are diffs generated between each version, or only between every 2 versions, or something intermediate?
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[04:29:33] <jbk> i'm guessing it just uses hashes
[04:29:37] <jbk> so you add v1
[04:29:42] <jbk> then add v2
[04:29:43] <jbk> then v3
[04:29:52] <jbk> and it'll figure out which files are the same and which aren't
[04:30:13] <jbk> then with that it can't figure out the delta between what's installed and the desired version
[04:30:34] <gcarrier> i'm having serious latency issues -- are there some kernel parameters to be used for a laptop?
[04:30:47] <jbk> shouldn't be
[04:31:03] <gcarrier> okay, thanks
[04:31:40] <e^ipi> there are tunables, but the defaults are pretty sane
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[04:38:57] <gcarrier> ok ok ok, i feel like this system is near to total usability
[04:41:04] <gcarrier> i'd love to be able to switch from vesa to intel. there's no <5h way to update the kernel in a snapshot, as NO is not compatible?
[04:42:05] <e^ipi> you could snapshot, BFU, and then roll back in 2wk to upgrade properly *shrug*
[04:42:38] <gcarrier> what does shrug mean please?
[04:42:58] *** alanc changes topic to "SXCE 101, ON 102, IPS 101a || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca"
[04:43:02] <e^ipi> when you lift your shoulders
[04:43:26] <alanc> a physical expression of "I guess" or "I don't know"
[04:43:47] <gcarrier> bfu seems reeeally funny :)
[04:43:47] <e^ipi> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/
[04:44:08] <e^ipi> that has the bfu archives
[04:44:16] <e^ipi> i don't know how frequently they're updated
[04:44:45] <e^ipi> gcarrier: bfu is really funny, but it's good for testing code
[04:45:31] <gcarrier> i loove the concept :)
[04:45:39] <gcarrier> i throught ON didn't work on opensolaris??
[04:46:00] <alanc> the bfu's for each biweekly build usually appear there around the time the ISO comes out internally I think
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[04:46:25] <alanc> ON doesn't build on opensolaris, but it's still where the kernel you're running on opensolaris comes from
[04:47:08] <gcarrier> what should i snapshot exactly?
[04:47:18] <gcarrier> rpool/ROOT only?
[04:47:25] <gcarrier> i mean rpool/ROOT/opensolaris
[04:47:37] <gcarrier> (i'm using the installer's partition scheme)
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[04:49:52] <gcarrier> zfs is sooo nice :)
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[04:52:30] <gcarrier> how can i try suspend 2 ram?
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[04:58:56] <CIA-59> Lin Guo - Sun Microsystems <Lin.Guo at Sun dot COM>: 6694610 hald leaks memory, 6753516 64-bit libhal and libhal-storage missing
[05:00:50] <gcarrier> found itt
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[05:58:46] <CIA-59> James C. McPherson <James.McPherson at Sun dot COM>: 6761587 Disabling active-active boot disks with MPxIO fails in special case
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[06:14:54] <FrostCS> Gman, in Vegas also huh?
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[06:33:27] <spiff> could someone point me to a guide to booting xvm enabled kernels?
[06:33:48] <spiff> perferably on recent 2008.11
[06:33:56] <_mary_kate_> isn't there an xvm option in the grub menu?
[06:34:17] <e^ipi> nah, you need to install some packages first
[06:34:36] <spiff> which ones?
[06:34:49] <e^ipi> but if you google "2008.05 xvm" you get a whole bunch of bloggy's
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[06:38:51] <spiff> e^ipi: thanks. also, is there a list of mirrors of pkg.opensolaris.org?
[06:38:55] <bimbo> hmmm zfs (or opensolaris itself maybe) has been doing some really weird things, once it didn't show the contents of my /opt folder, now it deleted a lot of files from a directory (a had a jdk under /usr and the bin directory, among others, was deleted)
[06:39:09] <e^ipi> spiff: yes, check /dev/null
[06:39:15] <e^ipi> ( you can't mirror the repo yet )
[06:40:51] <bimbo> anyone else experienced something like this?
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[06:46:51] <bimbo> this is bad... there's no apparent reason as of why this happened
[06:47:46] <bimbo> unless netbeans gets crazy and deletes de bin and include directories of the jdk distribution, this is a problem within opensoalris
[06:48:32] <jv_> could it be possible that for some reason you've booted in a older snapshot
[06:48:51] <bimbo> no, I just rebooted again to make sure
[06:49:20] <bimbo> it was working fine a few hours ago, went to windows to play for a while, then came back to work and... there's no java available
[06:49:23] <spiff> alright, trying bootadm -m upgrade yields "bootadm: failed to determine fdisk partition: rpool/ROOT/opensolaris"
[06:49:43] <bimbo> so I went to check the directory and I see the bin and include directories are not there anymore
[06:50:12] <bimbo> the solution is easy, download jdk again and that's it, but this was not suppose to happen
[06:50:41] <jv_> beadm list shows the correct boot environment as active?
[06:51:23] <bimbo> jv_: yes
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[06:58:36] <bimbo> ...
[06:59:58] <spiff> e^ipi: ok, I got it running by manually editing grubs menu.list, but I can't find a way to boot into hvm... simply s,xpv,hvm, on the menu.list doesn't do the trick :)
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[07:15:53] <aghaster> I have installed opensolaris on an older computer that is connected to my network, I would like to make it run headless and remotely connect to it from my Linux computer. I've tried using vnc, but it is quite slow, even if it is on the local network
[07:16:09] <aghaster> I don't need two users on the same session
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[07:17:53] <aghaster> I would like something that looks like remote desktop for Windows (one user at a time)
[07:17:53] <aghaster> what would be the faster solution?
[07:17:54] <aghaster> fastest*
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[07:17:54] <aghaster> Hi derchris^
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[07:26:10] <bimbo> anyone for the above problem? in order to delete folders/files under the /usr directory you need to have the right privileges, it just doesn't make sense how could those folders be deleted from there...
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[07:57:45] <despen> aghaster: Have you tried freenx?
[07:58:31] <despen> I haven't tried it on solaris but on my linux machine connected to my windows machine it works ok.
[07:58:38] <aghaster> http://freenx.berlios.de/
[07:58:45] <aghaster> this?
[07:58:55] <aghaster> (omg, who designed their website...)
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[07:59:21] <noyb> the pumpkin people
[07:59:46] <CosmicDJ> bimbo: which paths are deleted?
[07:59:53] <noyb> I half-expect to see two triangle eyes when I scroll down...   ;-)
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[08:01:14] <bimbo> CosmicDJ: the bin and include (and some other files, like readmes) under /usr/jdk/jdk1.6.0_10 (downloaded and placed there manually)
[08:01:32] <RavenSlay3r> aghaster: REAL sys-ops are color-blind - it's a requirment ;) http://elvis.rowan.edu/~kilroy/
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[08:01:52] <aghaster> hahaha
[08:01:54] <aghaster> :P
[08:02:10] <bimbo> they were there (since I was coding), went to windows to play for a while and when I got back "java" was not recognized anymore by the shell, so I checked the folder and found that
[08:02:48] <bimbo> I can tell you for sure that I did not deleted any of those directories
[08:04:47] <CosmicDJ> bimbo: did you change the /usr/java symlink?
[08:05:07] <RavenSlay3r> BTW that was NOT my page - it's an old professor...
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[08:15:57] <bimbo> CosmicDJ: sorry I was afk, yes I did
[08:16:19] <bimbo> I've been doing this since I first installed the 1.6 update 10 jdk
[08:16:41] <bimbo> pfexec rm /usr/java && ln -s /usr/jdk/jdk1.6.0_10 /usr/java
[08:16:49] <bimbo> pfexec too for the symlink
[08:17:07] <bimbo> and well it's been working well since then, except today, when the above problem arised
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[08:20:15] <CosmicDJ> bimbo: so you can exec java anymore?
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[08:21:03] <bimbo> CosmicDJ: well I had to reinstall it, but as I said, the bin and include directories were gone, deleted from /usr/jdk/jdk1.6.0_10
[08:21:10] <gerard13> hello all, how can i find if my laptop uses p-ata hdd dma? (related to http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4603)?
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[08:22:00] <CosmicDJ> bimbo: strange indeed
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[08:22:27] <bimbo> misteriously strange I would say CosmicDJ
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[08:22:53] <CosmicDJ> bimbo: zfs? any errors in zpool status?
[08:23:40] <bimbo> CosmicDJ: no errors there
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[08:41:15] <codestr0m> random question.. would anyone here.. in some far off distant land care about/be interested in a IA64 port of OpenSolaris?
[08:42:16] <_mary_kate_> there was one in the past
[08:42:28] <asyd> \_o<
[08:42:31] <_mary_kate_> if any code was produced, it might still exist inside sun labs
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[08:46:14] <c00p> codestr0m: no interest here
[08:46:15] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: yeah another guy I randomly pinged about this say Sun/Intel worked on it for 3 years..  maybe some parts of that can get tossed up somewhere..
[08:46:43] <codestr0m> c00p: are parts of your infra already running on IA64?
[08:47:38] <_mary_kate_> 'already'?  you say that like you expect ia64 to gain more than 1% market share ever ;)
[08:49:39] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: well.. he said he wasn't interested.. if he had no IA64 hw and no interest.. it wouldn't make sense for him to comment... that's sort of what I was asking
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[08:55:16] <dan_> Hey devs! Congrats on having better wifi support in 2008.11 than Ubuntu does in 8.10! Big desktop win there!
[08:56:33] <dan_> I just wish I could've installed the RC on the same drive as another OS without confusing grub. With both Win or Lin on the same drive, grub would fail to install properly. Shame!
[08:57:29] <dan_> Will Blastwave packages not be available until 2008.11 final is released? I would like vlc etc now
[08:58:00] <e^ipi> blastwave packages will not be available through sun ever, you need to add the blastwave repo to your list
[08:58:14] <trochej> Coffee?
[08:58:48] <CIA-59> duo liu - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Duo.Liu at Sun dot COM>: 6621714 fcp: returning wrong value for lun reset capability
[08:59:10] <dan_> Hi e^ipi ! I tried following the HOWTO on blastwave but it failed. I presumed it was either down or they don't do packages until a stable release is made?
[08:59:21] <asyd> trochej: +1
[08:59:28] <dan_> I can install packages fine from the official sun repo
[09:00:20] <dan_> Is blastwave the best repo for solaris multimedia or is there a better one?
[09:00:42] <CosmicDJ> dan_: livewithsolaris.jp
[09:00:50] <CosmicDJ> or was it life?
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[09:00:57] <e^ipi> real coffee, or north american burnt-tire brown water
[09:01:04] <asyd> CosmicDJ: beeing on irc
[09:01:12] <asyd> oups
[09:02:03] <CosmicDJ> asyd: bee-ing? ;)
[09:03:17] <dan_> CosmicDJ: Thanks - its lifewith. They only support up to 2008.05 at the mo. Will I have any probs installing .05 packages under .11rc?
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[09:07:26] <CosmicDJ> if they still worship the "binary compatibility"-god; I think not ;)
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[09:21:17] <DTEIT> morning
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[09:33:54] <zaihan> hi
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[09:34:16] <zaihan> i don't seem to get around the problem with booting up the system
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[09:35:27] <zaihan> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1255076
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[09:40:12] <zaihan> btw, i'm using Xen
[09:40:38] <zaihan> on a 32bit machine. so i can't use the 64bit unix kernel and ramdisk
[09:42:43] <Triskelios> import the pool in failsafe first and update the boot archive. also make sure you don't have a bootpath specified in /boot/solaris/bootenv.rc
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[09:47:26] <zaihan> anybody?
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[09:47:45] <zaihan> oh
[09:47:47] <zaihan> failsafe
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[09:50:08] <zaihan> bootadm update-archive ?
[09:50:42] <Triskelios> mount the root at /a first, then bootadm update-archive -R /a
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[09:58:56] <zaihan> aah
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[09:59:04] <zaihan> thanks!
[09:59:09] <zaihan> i missed that last bit
[09:59:53] <zaihan> things sure is different than solaris 9. *sigh* thanks mate!
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[10:57:08] <codestr0m> oupimiquo: Hej.. if you prefer lets continue over here.. someone else here may be interested in your driver
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[10:57:43] <codestr0m> if you don't want to sign the SCA for the si3124 driver.. we'll by all means host/package it if you're interested
[10:58:37] <oupimiquo> Oh, it's just the usual "lost interrupt" bug
[10:59:10] <oupimiquo> Plus the PCI-X bugfix
[10:59:23] <oupimiquo> which Has been submitted to Sun, but they don't seem to be doing anything about :)
[10:59:32] <codestr0m> right. typical
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[11:02:45] <spiff> is there a way to convert sparse ipkg zones to full zones? I.e, disable inherit-pkg-dir?
[11:02:51] <frigge> Good morning
[11:03:39] <trygvis> spiff: not in a documented way, but I've read blogs on the topic
[11:04:07] <spiff> got any URL at hand?
[11:04:22] <trygvis> nope, sorry
[11:05:51] <spiff> sigh, this is a big gotcha
[11:05:52] <e^ipi> oupimiquo: if you have a bug, and a patch for the bug, post it to request-sponsor at opensolaris dot org
[11:05:56] <e^ipi> i'll pick it up for you
[11:06:29] <frigge> Can somebody help me with password recovery on SunOS 5.8? I'm connected to a SunFire V120 via console and I should install Ubuntu on it. The Problem is, I dont know user or password.
[11:06:49] <e^ipi> why on earth would you want to install ubuntu on a sparc?
[11:06:51] <fraggeln> frigge: reboot and boot from cd :)
[11:07:30] <fraggeln> frigge: put in the cdrom, go to the ok-prompt, and type boot cdrom
[11:07:39] <frigge> I can not boot from cd ... the server dont have any drives
[11:07:50] <fraggeln> frigge: boot net then :D
[11:08:04] <oupimiquo> @e^ipi: The main problem is that the PCI-X bugfix is based on a NDA'd errata sheet. I basically just reverse engineered the fix out of the Linux driver and applied it to the OpenSolaris driver.
[11:08:25] <e^ipi> oupimiquo: did you integrate any GPL code to it?
[11:08:27] <oupimiquo> When I submitted it to sun with an explanation, they were not impressed :)
[11:08:29] <oupimiquo> Nope
[11:08:35] <frigge> I can only connect to the console port
[11:08:53] <e^ipi> did you violate an NDA to get it?
[11:09:01] <oupimiquo> I'ts basically just a check to see if the card is running in PXI-X mode, and if so disables IRQ-ack-on-read.
[11:09:06] <oupimiquo> Never had the NDA :)
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[11:09:39] * e^ipi fails to see a probelm
[11:10:07] <e^ipi> if you send a request to request-sponsor at os dot o i'll pick it up and take care of asking legal about it
[11:11:06] <oupimiquo> OK. I'll redo it against something newer than onnv_65 and fire it off. It's all of about 10 lines or so.
[11:11:22] <e^ipi> attach a bug id to it
[11:11:32] <e^ipi> if you can't find a bug at bugs.opensolaris.org for it, create one
[11:11:37] <e^ipi> makes my life a whole lot easier
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[11:13:23] <CosmicDJ> frigge: well send a BREAK and do a boot net
[11:13:45] <frigge> ok ... i try it
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[11:18:53] <frigge> okay ... i have it ... thank you ...
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[11:22:12] <zaihan> still no ball.
[11:22:45] <zaihan> bootadm update-archive -R /a
[11:23:17] <zaihan> then i copied the boot_archive to the host OS
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[11:23:42] <zaihan> add boot_archive in the RAMDISK option
[11:23:52] <zaihan> still. the same error about zfs
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[11:26:20] <zaihan> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1255118
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[11:32:59] <cedric33> hi all i search a good documentation of opensolaris on french or english thanks for your help
[11:34:35] <xRaich[o]2x> cedric33: i find that the sxce and solaris 10 on docs.sun.com is very helpful
[11:35:14] <cedric33> xRaich[o]2x : solaris 10 and opensolaris is the same product ?
[11:35:20] <cedric33> the samel kernel ?
[11:37:03] <trochej> basicly
[11:37:06] <xRaich[o]2x> sxce is what is going to be solaris 11 it's based on the codebase that is also named opensolaris. solaris 10 is the rocksolid version that is adapting some of the features that have been tested on the opensolaris plattform
[11:37:14] <trochej> sxce is somewhat of a development branch
[11:37:17] <trochej> solaris is stable
[11:37:18] <xRaich[o]2x> at least that's what i think ^^
[11:37:29] <trochej> And sometimes gets backports from sxce
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[11:38:14] <trochej> If I understand correctly, sxce is to be eoled in favor of opensolaris distribution
[11:38:19] <trochej> sxde has already been
[11:40:26] <cedric33> thanks for all information
[11:41:13] <CosmicDJ> the genunix wiki is also very interesting...
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[12:16:37] <spiff> will virt-install be able to install debian or ubuntu? It seems only to check for some core files present on Fedora/CentOS/Redhat..
[12:18:21] <trygvis> yeah, but you have to do some tricks
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[12:18:29] <trygvis> debian should work out of the box for a hvm domain
[12:18:40] <trygvis> spiff: http://blog.adventuresinopensolaris.com/2008/07/xvm-pv-of-debian-distros.html
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[12:20:21] <spiff> doesn't work on snv_99
[12:20:47] <trygvis> why not? the page has a couple of bugs but it worked for me
[12:20:58] <trygvis> on b101 sxce
[12:21:02] <spiff> thats the exact guide I've followed
[12:21:06] <spiff> Could not find an installable distribution at '/root/debian-40r5-amd64-netinst.iso'
[12:21:10] <spiff> no matter what I do
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[12:21:19] <spiff> on ips 99
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[12:21:44] <trygvis> yeah, I got that a few times myself
[12:21:55] <trygvis> can't remember what I did to fix it
[12:22:08] <spiff> sigh, too common
[12:22:30] <trygvis> xen really has horrible error reporting
[12:23:00] <spiff> yeah
[12:24:48] <trygvis> I wonder if I added --cdrom with the path to the iso
[12:25:33] <spiff> hmm. 'Error creating domain: Disk image does not exist: /root/debian-40r5-amd64-netinst.iso'
[12:25:41] <spiff> I mean, wtf.
[12:26:25] <spiff> obviously it exists.
[12:26:40] <spiff> this was with --cdrom <file>
[12:27:17] <zaihan> RHEL 5.2's XEN won't work with 2008.11 as guest OS.
[12:27:20] <zaihan> i found it the hard way
[12:27:33] <zaihan> 2008.05 works perfectly fine
[12:28:54] <spiff> man this sucks, I'm getting nowhere.
[12:33:48] <trygvis> :?
[12:33:49] <trygvis> :/
[12:36:34] <spiff> Now I don't have any idea whatsoever.
[12:36:46] <spiff> is there a way to get more debug info from xen?
[12:36:52] <spiff> apart from virt-install -d
[12:36:54] <zaihan> WARNING: svccfg apply /var/svc/profile/generic.xml failed
[12:37:02] <trygvis> there are logs in /var/log/xen
[12:37:12] <zaihan> and the warning is for platform.xml too.. and i can only go to single user mode..
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[12:39:10] <spiff> trygvis: yeah, they pretty much say the same thing
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[12:39:16] <trygvis> k
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[12:39:24] <spiff> anyway, I'm running i86xpv...should I be running i86hvm?
[12:39:43] <zaihan> nope
[12:39:48] <trygvis> as dom0? would that even be possible?
[12:39:59] <zaihan> i86xpv is for paravirtualization (guest OS)
[12:40:00] <spiff> have no idea...
[12:40:06] <zaihan> hvm if you want to run it as host OS
[12:40:19] <spiff> er, wait
[12:40:25] <trygvis> hm? I'm running i86xpv as the host
[12:40:30] <spiff> my dom0 is running as i86xpv.
[12:40:44] <zaihan> weird. i'm running the other way round.
[12:40:53] <spiff> not really understanding this.
[12:41:03] <zaihan> my guest is xpv
[12:41:07] <dustman> hm.. where's dpost?
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[12:41:23] <trygvis> zaihan: you want xpv's too if possible
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[12:41:46] <trygvis> paravirtualization > hardware virtualization
[12:41:50] <trygvis> took a while before I realized that
[12:41:57] <CosmicDJ> damn this sucks, trying to lu solaris10u5 to u6 and pfinstall dumps core all the time...
[12:42:22] <trygvis> with pv you don't virtualize everything giving higher performance
[12:42:28] <trygvis> but you need a pv-aware kernel
[12:42:50] <spiff> yeah
[12:43:17] <zaihan> yeah.. it's confusing with the xpvs and hvm
[12:43:18] <trygvis> spiff: the blog did use 2008.11 to bootstrap it
[12:43:23] <trygvis> so it really ought to work
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[12:43:41] <spiff> anyway...I need to get a debian domU running sooner rather than later, and virt-install seems to be broken or something
[12:43:59] <spiff> I know, I've tried image-upgrading to 101a, but that breaks my zones
[12:44:08] <spiff> i.e they wont boot.
[12:44:10] <trygvis> he did it with b94 though
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[12:45:14] <spiff> yep..
[12:45:47] <dustman> where's dpost(1) on opensolaris?
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[12:46:01] <trygvis> dpost?
[12:46:11] <dustman> or what's an alternative for this troff postprocessor?
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[12:46:24] <dustman> trygvis: I can't find it
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[12:46:39] <trygvis> I figured that, was wondering what it is
[12:46:43] <trygvis> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-0210/6m6nb7m7s?a=view
[12:47:01] <trygvis> that was the *first* hit on google ..
[12:47:03] <dustman> 'troff postprocessor'
[12:47:47] <dustman> trygvis: it doesn't help much since I can't find dpost itself on my system
[12:47:57] <trygvis> it's there on mine
[12:48:00] <dustman> while I can find its man page
[12:48:08] <trygvis> if you're using ips I guess you can install it
[12:48:08] <CosmicDJ> dustman: man find
[12:48:49] <Berny> grep dpost /var/sadm/install/contents is faster than find ;-)
[12:48:53] <dustman> CosmicDJ: that's funny
[12:49:19] <dustman> Berny: nothing
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[12:49:29] <trygvis> seems like you want the SUNWpsf package
[12:49:35] <spiff> when is 2008.11 final due?
[12:49:38] <CosmicDJ> dustman: indeed, reading the manpage should be enough "/usr/lib/lp/postscript/dpost"
[12:49:49] <CosmicDJ> spiff: this month ;)
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[12:53:22] <gerard13> is there a macro for testing if we are on solaris 10 machine or +, and not solaris 8 or 9? i'm trying to compile scilab, and they redefine isinf() instead of using the one bundled
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[12:59:46] <CosmicDJ> gerard13: IIRC you can test for a specifiy release
[12:59:56] <CosmicDJ> s/y/c/
[13:01:08] <CosmicDJ> (with sun studio's cc, not sure about gcc)
[13:01:28] <gerard13> yes it is sun studio
[13:02:24] <gerard13> they wrote:http://pastealacon.com/1647
[13:03:19] <gerard13> i think it works on solaris 8 or 9, so i just want to add something to not break compatilibity with older releases than 10 or 11
[13:04:19] <CosmicDJ> gerard13: this looks like a gcc predefined macro
[13:06:00] <CosmicDJ> gerard13: check the cc manpage for valid sun cc macros
[13:06:42] <gerard13> ok
[13:08:15] <CosmicDJ> __`uname -s`_`uname -r` looks good
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[13:12:29] <gerard13> thanks CosmicDJ
[13:14:46] <CosmicDJ> gerard13: keep in mind that there are no . allowed in macro names...
[13:15:25] <gerard13> do you mean that 5.10 fail?
[13:17:31] <CosmicDJ> gerard13: "macrotest.c", line 7: warning: tokens ignored at end of directive line
[13:17:34] <CosmicDJ> yes
[13:18:58] <gerard13> so i can't use this macro to test if i am on a solaris 10 machine?
[13:19:43] <CosmicDJ> they should have written it as __`uname -s`_`uname -r | sed 's/\./_/'`  in the manpage IMHO
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[13:28:52] <Dakylla> hi
[13:29:02] <Zplay> hi
[13:29:14] <kohju> hi
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[13:29:18] <Dakylla> how can i define the default run level please for opensolaris ?
[13:29:46] <SunTzuTech> perhaps you should understand opensolaris runlevels before trying to set the default....
[13:29:54] <Dakylla> what entry in inittab ?
[13:29:59] <asyd> runlevel are deprecated!
[13:30:06] <Dakylla> sure ?
[13:30:16] <asyd> man smf
[13:30:19] <Dakylla> ok
[13:30:21] <Dakylla> thx
[13:31:03] <Dakylla> an other question, i installed opensolaris onto a dell proweredge with 1Go of ram
[13:31:13] <Dakylla> the system is damn slow
[13:31:15] <CosmicDJ> shouldn't who -r report milestone/multi-user-server:default then? ;)
[13:31:59] <Dakylla> the system is swaping
[13:33:43] * CosmicDJ still waits for the question...
[13:33:58] <hile_> just set your box to runlevel 0
[13:34:02] <hile_> or 5
[13:35:12] <SunTzuTech> lol hile_
[13:35:55] <hile_> well that is the best way to deal iwth that indiana shit
[13:36:22] <norman> indiana = os200x.yy?
[13:36:50] <hile_> yes
[13:36:52] <CosmicDJ> os2008.55? ;)
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[13:41:27] <zaihan> i can't seem to enable console-login
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[13:41:43] <zaihan> pardon me but it's just.. where.. agh.
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[14:02:15] <cedric33> i try to see the same file of fstab on linux but on opensolias i don't find this file thanks for your help
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[14:04:00] <CosmicDJ> cedric33: see topic's rosetta
[14:05:26] <cedric33> CosmicDJ : very very thanks
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[14:16:20] <cedric33> CosmicDJ : i install opensolaris 2008.05 but it don't tell me to specify root passwd
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[14:24:03] <CosmicDJ> cedric33: there's no root user anymore on 2008.05 and higher ; use pfexec/pfsh etc. to exec programs/a shell with root-rights
[14:24:58] <cedric33> CosmicDJ : thanks
[14:28:57] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: I haven't updated.. that's quite the change
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[14:29:07] <codestr0m> gotta love rbac
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[14:46:08] <TomJ> so how do you add your user to the right profile to have rights to pf*, without a root user from which to do that? :)
[14:46:55] <codestr0m> TomJ: they are probably super smart and give the default user root role now
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[15:01:58] <cedric33> just one question is solaris and opensolaris have the same command  or no because i want to by a book but i don't know if it same solaris and opensolaris
[15:02:02] <cedric33> thanks
[15:03:51] <CosmicDJ> you don't need to buy a book for that; just read the manpages :)
[15:04:08] <holcomb> docs.sun.com is useful too
[15:04:28] <cedric33> but if i want to buy  a book :) the command on solaris and opensolaris is the same or no please :)
[15:04:42] <codestr0m> cedric33: you'll find similar technology.. it's probably safe to buy a book on either one.. yet if you're studying for a specific exam.. make sure to study that specific OS.. cause solaris != opensolaris in many ways.. from earlier today xRaich[o]2x: Solaris Internals, Solaris Performance and Tools and Solaris Application Development
[15:05:07] <codestr0m> hope that helps
[15:05:22] <cedric33> thanksssssss
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[15:09:29] <CosmicDJ> didn't 1&1 use sun servers? -> http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2008/11/12/nuke-site-converted-into-data-center/
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[15:18:09] <wereHamster> what's the equivalent to `cat /proc/cpuinfo` on solaris?
[15:18:42] <CosmicDJ> isainfo?!
[15:19:08] <trygvis> and psrinfo
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[15:24:15] <wereHamster> thanks. Is it possible to install prebuilt packages (such as the ones form blastwave) as a user into $HOME?
[15:24:35] <trygvis> no, they're usually not relocatable
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[15:28:57] <codestr0m> wereHamster: .. funny nick ;)
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[15:29:13] <codestr0m> wereHamster: btw.. why worry about isolating the bw stuff to $HOME?
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[15:31:35] <holcomb> somebody tell sun that identity.sun.com is down
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[15:35:17] <Garcon_> hile_, I'm new to (open)solaris. Can anyone tell me what is the difference between raidz and raidz2, please?
[15:35:34] <Garcon_> hm, i meant Hi
[15:36:09] <timsf> With raidz, you can lose one disk and still have access to your data. With raidz2, you can lose two.
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[15:37:02] <CosmicDJ> so when I have a 10 disk raidz, one fails and all my data is gone?
[15:37:43] <fraggeln> CosmicDJ: no, raidz can survive without one disk :)
[15:37:45] <timsf> No, losing one disk is ok with raid - the system would run happily with 9 disks and access to all your data.
[15:38:06] <Garcon_> thanks, timsf
[15:38:30] <timsf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID-Z#RAID-Z
[15:38:55] <fraggeln> CosmicDJ: raidz is raid5, and raidz2 is raid6 ;)
[15:39:16] <CosmicDJ> I se
[15:39:18] <CosmicDJ> e
[15:39:45] <PerterB> s/is/is similar to/
[15:40:14] <Garcon_> so raidz2 is safer, at the expense of disk space
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[15:41:06] <PerterB> and a small write performance penalty over raidz
[15:41:22] <Garcon_> aha
[15:41:25] <Garcon_> thanks guys
[15:50:06] <asyd> hmm I have a strange problem with jumpstart on a t2000, http://pastealacon.com/1655
[15:50:12] <asyd> there is some hardware raid however
[15:50:34] <CosmicDJ> zfs rooot?
[15:50:47] <asyd> yup
[15:50:56] <asyd> ah, I need to specify s0 maybe
[15:50:59] <CosmicDJ> doesn't work i "whole disk" mode yet
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[15:51:09] <CosmicDJ> yes, you'll need to format it first
[15:51:15] <asyd> ok
[15:51:35] <CosmicDJ> and replace the EFI lable with an SMI label IIRC
[15:51:42] <CosmicDJ> label
[15:51:51] <CosmicDJ> damn can't type; time to go home, bbl :)
[15:52:17] <asyd> :)
[15:52:19] <asyd> thanks CosmicDJ !
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[15:55:49] <Asako> hey, is there a zfs rename command?
[15:56:05] <Asako> never mind, dumb question
[15:56:08] <trygvis> yep :)
[15:56:47] <asyd> the slice number required for the boot is fixed or I can choose it?
[16:02:59] <Asako> dunno, with zfs it doesn't matter
[16:03:12] <asyd> ok
[16:03:21] <asyd> well, which zfs yes, but the boot part is important :)
[16:03:39] <akatsuki> hm, a new ver of opensolaris was released recently?
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[16:04:32] <Asako> I'd just leave the slice numbers alone
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[16:05:03] <Asako> hey, with sndradm how do I need to set up my network?
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[16:05:57] <Asako> does it use ssh keys?
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[16:11:42] <Cripps> so, I'm running the 2008.05 live CD on a laptop that won't handle running Gnome and the installer, so I tried "ssh jack@<opensolarisbox>" and when I logged in I ran "gui-install"  ... I didn't see any gui, so I tried with ssh -Y instead ... still no joy. I'm totally green when it comes to solaris, things like "ps ax|grep <processname>" that I use in linux are different, so I don't know how to find out if the process is running or not. could someone w
[16:11:42] <Cripps> alk me through getting the installer up and running?
[16:12:26] <zaihan> hi.. i need some help
[16:12:42] <trochej> Cripps: I can't guide you through the installer, but I can tell you, that there is a nice shortcut for ps | grep process: pgrep
[16:12:43] <Stric> Cripps: see /topic
[16:12:45] <zaihan> eversince sun included zone containers in solaris 10.. life has been like having to be with linux with SEpolicy on
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[16:13:12] <zaihan> i can't even generate sshd keys and /etc is read only.
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[16:13:18] <zaihan> maybe i'm missing something here
[16:13:18] <Cripps> %s/"ssh%s/jack"/"ssh -X jack"
[16:13:29] <Cripps> trochej, thanks.
[16:14:37] <Asako> sndradm: Error: unable to access configuration
[16:14:42] <Asako> what does that mean?
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[16:16:32] <Cripps> Stric, the meat of my question was more "help me troubleshoot the installation please!" that "how do i do $foo on solaris" .... thanks for the link anyways, it will come in handy, I'm sure.
[16:16:46] <Cripps> %s/"that"/"than"
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[16:17:33] <zaihan> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1255274
[16:17:43] <zaihan> that's the problem i'm having
[16:17:46] <trochej> Cripps: Quick list: DISPLAY, xhost
[16:17:46] <zaihan> wish someone could help me.
[16:17:51] <Asako> I wish replication was as easy as the demo
[16:17:55] <zaihan> to point at the docs... i've looked at the zone containers
[16:18:14] <Asako> are these sparse zones?
[16:18:26] <zaihan> reinstalled 3 times..
[16:18:33] <zaihan> boot up is still single user mode
[16:19:03] <zaihan> no dude, i got an error when i boot the system.. about some .xml file.. and it's a fresh install too.
[16:19:08] <Asako> weird that it's read only
[16:19:19] <Asako> try a later build
[16:19:28] <zaihan> i suspect it's all read only because i'm in single user mode..
[16:19:41] <Asako> or even SXCE
[16:20:13] <zaihan> using 2008.05
[16:20:17] <Asako> http://genunix.org/
[16:20:26] <Stric> update to 2008.11 release candidate..
[16:20:34] <Asako> 2008.05 was horribly buggy
[16:20:35] <Cripps> trochej, for xhost, I got: "access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect" , and for "echo $DISPLAY" I got "localhost:10.0" ... doing "su root" for xhost gave me the same message.
[16:21:02] <trochej> I don;t know why they released 2008.05
[16:21:15] <trochej> It's just... below anyone's expectations
[16:21:18] <zaihan> tried. but 2008.11 won't boot up..
[16:21:22] <Stric> Cripps: non-laptop: xhost +laptop    on laptop: DISPLAY=nonlaptop:0;export DISPLAY
[16:21:28] <zaihan> using opensolaris as xen guest
[16:22:19] <trochej> Xen...
[16:22:21] <trochej> Anyway
[16:22:25] <trochej> Coffee?
[16:22:50] <oupimiquo> [02:23] <trochej> Coffee?
[16:22:54] <oupimiquo> Just had some :)
[16:22:58] <zaihan> had..too many. :/
[16:23:02] <codestr0m> water only please
[16:23:06] <Asako> drinking mine
[16:23:25] <Asako> it would also be nice if the demo mentioned you need to run dscfgadm first
[16:23:33] <trochej> I only had... like four?
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[16:24:48] <Asako> 16oz so far
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[16:25:10] <KOHJU> i am drinking a bottle of beer.
[16:25:30] <FrostCS> Windex here.
[16:26:04] <Cripps> Stric, okay ... I've done that, is running gui-install again the next step, or do I need to restart my ssh connection?
[16:26:05] <Asako> is the iogroup name always primary?
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[16:27:15] <Stric> Cripps: don't restart, since that will get rid of $DISPLAY .. I don't know if gui-install is the command to run, but if it is - then yes
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[16:27:55] <Cripps> Stric, okay, thanks
[16:28:36] <Stric> try starting xterm or something to verify the X forwarding
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[16:28:50] <Asako> NOTICE: sndr: solaris-sec:/dev/rdsk/c2d1s0 entered logging mode: sync failed to complete
[16:28:59] <Asako> how does that happen?
[16:29:03] <Cripps> Stric, oh yeah, I've got an xterm.
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[16:29:43] <Cripps> so, "gui-install" seems to only be *half* of the install command. Guess I'll google the cli incantaion for the installer ;)
[16:29:45] <Asako> damn, realtek cards suck
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[16:29:53] <Cripps> Stric, thanks, you've been supremely helpful.
[16:31:25] <zaihan> devfsadm: open failed for /etc/dev/.devfsadm_dev.lock: Read-only file system
[16:31:42] <zaihan> i'm stumped
[16:32:44] <Stric> os2008.05 is old and has bugs.. if .11rc doesn't boot for you, try sxce or so instead.. or try figuring out why .11 won't boot instead
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[16:33:35] <Cripps> Stric, 2008.05 can be upgraded to 2008.11rc from the installed system, right?
[16:33:47] <Stric> Cripps: yes
[16:34:39] <zaihan> okay
[16:35:12] <codestr0m> anyone know specifically where libl.so.1 in ON is built?
[16:35:23] <Cripps> excellent. Thanks.
[16:35:47] <codestr0m> there's no onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libl.. (I'll keep looking)
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[16:36:58] <codestr0m> lex?
[16:37:21] <Cripps> in case anybody cares, "gui-install" is the wrong incantation to invoke the gui installer: "pfexec /usr/bin/gui-install" will, however, do the trick.
[16:38:23] <codestr0m> and I'm left to wonder what is does sgs stand for? cmd/sgs
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[16:42:44] <luisbg_> aruiz, welcome
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[16:43:53] <Asako> I wonder where a lot of these names come from
[16:44:30] <aruiz> luisbg_, hi there
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[16:58:48] <CIA-59> Qiyan Sun - Sun Microsystems - San Diego United States <Qiyan.Sun at Sun dot COM>: 6761591 H.... - StPaul - paniced uder MAXQ/TCP_UDP panic[cpu21]/thread=3000a7f2280: BAD TRAP: type=31, 6765212 Scottsdale/ WARNING: hxge0 : ==> hxge_rx_err_evnts(channel 3): fatal error: rcrfull error, 6765844 hxge receives tdc prefetch timeout buts reports it as config partition error
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[17:08:16] <zahna> can i use "pkg" to show all available packages i could install?
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[17:12:38] <kohju> pkg list -a ?
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[17:16:40] <mib_trrbbvrs> pkginfo | more
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[17:17:32] <_mary_kate_> has anyone noticed 'zpool replace' on an X4500 being very slow?  it's taken 20 minutes so far, and hasn't done anything
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[17:23:47] <zaihan>  0 global           running    /                              native   shared
[17:23:59] <zaihan> the global zone is running on /
[17:24:03] <zaihan> is there a way to turn it off?
[17:24:17] <_mary_kate_> 'shutdown'?
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[17:25:21] <bigjocker> lol
[17:25:28] <cedric33> to see the information of the package i try this command : pkg info SUNWsmba  but it tell me it's not installed i want to see the package information and after i install it thanks for your help
[17:25:34] <zaihan> ...
[17:25:45] <morettoni> cedric33: pkg info -r SUNWsmba
[17:26:13] <cedric33> morettoni : thanks
[17:26:41] <morettoni> cedric33: most pkg command use -r when you don't have that package installed (and access it remotely)
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[17:39:33] <Zplay> Hi, I need some help. I'm a new opensolaris user and at the moment I'm learning how it works
[17:39:49] <Zplay> I've installed apache2 with the package manager, but I dont' know how to start the service
[17:41:26] <wereHamster> Zplay: try svcadm enable apache2
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[17:41:44] <wereHamster> and `svcs` to show all available services
[17:42:01] <Zplay> Thanks wereHamster, I'm going to try
[17:42:18] <cedric33> my last question for today is to up an interface network  i try pfexec dhcpagent
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[17:47:10] <codestr0m> cedric33: you may be best off trying something called nwam
[17:47:51] <Zplay> wereHasmter: Thx, it was apache22, I didn't know the command svcs/svcadm that's a very good tool
[17:48:04] <cedric33> i think the best is to read the doc :)
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[17:48:20] <codestr0m> cedric33: yeah, but start with reading that doc
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[17:55:55] <Asako> AVS is confusing
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[18:03:13] <_mary_kate_> what is zfs trying to indicate here? http://rafb.net/p/91ER4l74.html
[18:04:25] <th> _mary_kate_: and there is no line 5?
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[18:04:49] <Asako> that doesn't look right
[18:04:54] <_mary_kate_> there are 50 other lines, but they look normal
[18:05:11] <Asako> you have a mirrored spare?
[18:05:38] <th> why mirrored? i dont read "mirror" there...
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[18:07:44] <timsf> I think it means a spare has been swapped in
[18:07:54] <timsf> I'll just check
[18:09:07] <timsf>  [ zpool create taking ages here, hmm.. ]
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[18:09:39] <_mary_kate_> hmm, i was able to 'detech' c7t7d0, then i 'replace'd it again, and it went back to looking like this... so replace in progress seems like a reasonable explanation
[18:09:45] <_mary_kate_> thanks
[18:09:54] <timsf> It should say "replacing" if that's happening though (I'd thought)
[18:09:59] <_mary_kate_> hm
[18:10:06] <timsf> checking the zpool status -v should tell you whether a resilver is running
[18:10:26] <_mary_kate_> what i want to do is take c0t2d0 offline so i can remove it and replace the disk... but replacing it with c7t7d0 (the hot spare) leaves c0t2 in use, so i can't unconfigure it
[18:10:42] <_mary_kate_> i assumed it would handle that by rebuilding the spare from the other disks in the stripe
[18:11:21] <_mary_kate_>  scrub: resilver in progress for 0h4m, 0.13% done, 54h2m to go
[18:12:12] <_mary_kate_> (ideally, i don't want to wait 3 days to swap the disk ;)
[18:12:58] <timsf> it should be
[18:13:17] <timsf>  you should be able to detach the replaced spare now.. (I'd thought.   it's been a while)
[18:13:45] <_mary_kate_> cannot detach c0t2d0: no valid replicas
[18:14:01] <timsf> darn
[18:14:21] <zahna> kohju: thanks, your answer worked
[18:14:38] <kohju> zahna, your welcom.
[18:15:13] <timsf> http://rafb.net/p/tEdnNf70.html -- shows me doing all that on a pool with 64mb devices (obviously the resilver happened somewhat faster)
[18:15:46] <_mary_kate_> timsf: perhaps it released the disk because the resilver finished
[18:16:33] <zahna> so, does anyone know when opensolaris is going to get ported to the sparc?
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[18:17:59] <_mary_kate_> i wonder if i can unconfigure the disk after offlining it
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[18:19:48] <_mary_kate_> hm, no, can't even offline it (no valid replicas)
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[18:20:02] <timsf> It's still resilvering the spare in then
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[18:21:16] <Asako> anybody with avs experience here?
[18:21:28] <_mary_kate_> how do people replace disks in a raidz without hot spares?
[18:21:40] <_mary_kate_> i can't offline the disk even after detaching the spare, so i can't unconfigure it, so i can't replace it..
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[18:24:37] <jamesd> zpool replace [-f] pool old_device [new_device]
[18:24:37] <jamesd>   Replaces old_device with new_device. This is  equivalent  to attaching new_device, waiting for it to resilver, and        then detaching old_device.
[18:25:15] <Asako> if I create a pool on an sndr device will it not show up until syncing is done?
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[18:27:12] <_mary_kate_> hmm, the resilver seems to be stalled at 0.13%
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[18:33:16] <_mary_kate_> hrm, now it stopped the resilver entirely
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[18:49:41] <axisys> my server is using 90% swap but vmstat shows sr is `0' .. should I be worried?
[18:50:03] <jbk> what's in /tmp ?
[18:50:03] <axisys> i can increase the threshold to 91% for swap to stop alerts from our monitoring server
[18:50:18] <jbk> and what's your page out rate?
[18:51:37] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: I'm pretty sure I shouldn't be getting undefined symbols in this... if you have a sec can you take a look http://rafb.net/p/thZOwG75.html
[18:51:42] <axisys> jbk: 143 is po
[18:52:04] <axisys>  /tmp has some small files
[18:52:23] <_mary_kate_> axisys: low sr means it's not currently swapping, so you could have a large process with a small working set
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[18:54:06] <axisys> _mary_kate_: did not follow this part.. "..large process with a small working set"
[18:54:48] <axisys> hmm.. www.solarisinternals.com page seems to be down
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[18:55:28] <_mary_kate_> axisys: if it has allocated a lot of memory, solaris will allocate swap for it.  but if it's working set (memory actively being used) is smaller, the entire working set will stay in memory, and nothing will swap
[18:55:39] <_mary_kate_> s/it's/its
[18:56:20] <Asako> does avs handle automatic failover?
[18:58:08] <axisys> vmstat -p 3 shows apo is `0'
[18:58:20] <Asako> or should I use something like heartbeat?
[18:58:44] <_mary_kate_> AVS only does replication, it's not a cluster solution
[18:58:54] <CIA-59> Enrico Perla - Sun Microsystems <Enrico.Perla at Sun dot COM>: 6752721 bootadm lacks 64-bit failsafe support, generates errors post snv_99
[18:59:10] <Asako> so sun cluster with avs might work
[18:59:29] <zahna> is there a pkg command to update all packages on a system?  i tried "pkg image-update", but it crashed.
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[19:01:22] <Asako> I should just take a solaris class
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[19:08:03] <codestr0m> is this just me or I should never have to specify something like this /opt/SUNWspro/prod/bin/cc -g -m64 -z text -L/usr/lib/amd64/
[19:09:06] <codestr0m> I mena -L + 64bit in a path crle searches.. == odd
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[19:10:33] <codestr0m> which expands out to
[19:10:33] <codestr0m> /usr/ccs/bin/ld /opt/SUNWspro/prod/lib/amd64/crti.o /opt/SUNWspro/prod/lib/amd64/crt1x.o /opt/SUNWspro/prod/lib/amd64/values-xa.o -o svccfg -z text svccfg_main.o svccfg_engine.o svccfg_internal.o svccfg_libscf.o svccfg_tmpl.o svccfg_xml.o svccfg_help.o svccfg_grammar.o svccfg_lex.o manifest_hash.o -lxml2 -lscf -ll -luutil -lumem -lmd5 -ltecla -Y "P,/opt/SUNWspro/prod/lib/amd64:/usr/ccs/lib/amd64:/lib/amd64:/usr/lib/amd64" -Qy -lc /opt/SUNW
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[19:17:45] <SAMO_SVOJ> hi all I have one question
[19:18:12] <SAMO_SVOJ> where I can find documentation of  splashimage function
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[19:22:02] <SAMO_SVOJ> ?
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[19:23:08] <jbk> uugh I wish there was an easy way to debug C preprocessor operations.... for some reason, w/ ss12 it's not exposing the BSWAP_64 macro
[19:23:49] <Cripps> jbk, I know that with gcc there's the -E option ... does the sun C compiler have a similar option?
[19:24:46] <e^ipi> SAMO_SVOJ: the specific flag is called happyface_boot . look for it at src.opensolaris.org
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[19:24:58] <e^ipi> i know of no documentation in the traditional sense for the function
[19:25:31] <Rarok> Hi
[19:33:35] <jbk> that just shows the output, it doesn't help debug
[19:33:39] <jbk> but i think i found the issue
[19:33:46] <jbk> a sort of circular logic
[19:33:52] <jbk> #include <sys/byteorder.h>
[19:33:55] <jbk> which by default does
[19:34:17] <jbk> #define BSWAP_64(x) ntohll(x)
[19:34:21] <jbk> then in the app it does
[19:34:40] <jbk> #ifdef (BSWAP_64)
[19:34:52] <jbk> #define ntohll(x) BSWAP_64(x)
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[19:52:26] <codestr0m> is there anyway to find the documentation of why/how sun modified sqlite in ON.. I mean.. it's clear they've merged some Sun changes, but like krb.. I'd like to understand why
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[19:54:30] <axisys> hmm Anon is taking 67% per memstat http://pastebin.com/f6e8a6b82 .. is that ok ?
[19:55:09] <doubletwist> So if I compile mutt with the apt-get versions of ssl and sasl, it crashes when I try to authenticate against my google apps domain. Anyone else seen this? [self compiled mutt on alpha2]
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[19:57:07] <_mary_kate_> doubletwist: your questions suggests you might be a Nexenta user, which is probably something worth mentioning
[19:57:15] <_mary_kate_> as it's very unlike any other opensolaris distribution
[19:57:20] <doubletwist> oops yeah I am :)
[19:57:31] <codestr0m> doubletwist: try #nexenta
[19:59:31] <Cripps> are there any lightweight WMs like openbox packaged for opensolaris? Additionally, how do I upgrade to 2008.11rc from the commandline of a 2008.05 install?
[20:00:08] <CIA-59> Sebastien Roy <Sebastien.Roy at Sun dot COM>: 6770479 "snoop -d <link> tcp or udp" no longer works, 6770744 user-space snoop filters have problems with ipnet devices
[20:00:09] <CIA-59> Kacheong Poon <Kacheong.Poon at Sun dot COM>: 6738234 Path MTU discovery forgery CVE-2001-0323
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[20:02:03] <Cobra-the-joker> hey there every one .....is solaris and opensolaris part of linux /GNU?
[20:02:13] <_mary_kate_> no
[20:02:30] <Cobra-the-joker> a single unix drevative ?
[20:02:42] <codestr0m> Cobra-the-joker: what are you trying to find out?
[20:02:46] <_mary_kate_> Single UNIX Specification is a standard, not an OS.  solaris does conform to that specification
[20:02:54] <_mary_kate_> it's derived from System V UNIX
[20:03:13] <_mary_kate_> (atually, it *is* System V -- iirc, it was the reference implementation of SysV for SPARC)
[20:03:15] <Cobra-the-joker> i have known about solaris a while ago
[20:03:51] <Cobra-the-joker> and have heard that it is not very optimal for lappy's and desktops ...servers
[20:04:06] <Cobra-the-joker> so i decided to give opensolaris a try
[20:04:18] <Cobra-the-joker> and want to dind out about this new system
[20:04:25] <Cobra-the-joker> find *
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[20:04:44] <Cripps> _mary_kate_, yes, Sun purchased the license for the System V codebase in the early 90s and built solaris around that.
[20:04:52] <_mary_kate_> Cripps: no, that's not what i mean
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[20:05:27] <_mary_kate_> Cripps: AT&T and Sun both worked on SVR4, with AT&T releasing a reference implementation for one platform, and Sun releasing the reference implementation for SPARC (Solaris)
[20:05:28] <Cripps> _mary_kate_, I was just affirming the "it *is* System V" :)
[20:05:47] <_mary_kate_> unlike other SVR4s, which licensed AT&T's code and produced a derivate
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[20:07:10] <Cobra-the-joker> so ....all of you have been using opensolaris for a while ....how did you find it  ???
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[20:07:56] <Cripps> I actually just started using opensolaris today :P
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[20:08:25] <Cobra-the-joker> Cripps , Good system ??
[20:08:54] <kleppari> Cobra-the-joker: a logical step from Solaris 10..
[20:09:00] <kleppari> well, or not
[20:09:20] <Cripps> Cobra-the-joker, there's a learning curve, but I'm excited to use it for DTrace, among other things.
[20:09:42] <kleppari> the learning curve actually isn't that steep
[20:09:57] <kleppari> when you stop assuming you can make everything work without looking at a manual
[20:10:09] <Cobra-the-joker> its using things like gnome and KDE like linux ....or have its own DEsktop ENv.?
[20:10:17] <kleppari> it's using gnome
[20:10:31] <Cobra-the-joker> nice
[20:10:35] <kleppari> by default, I've run stumpwm and windowmaker on it without issues
[20:10:37] <_mary_kate_> or CDE, although that's due to be EOL'd at some point
[20:12:01] <Cobra-the-joker> i have been using fedora for quite a while right now and found it very good actually (better than windows a million times )....and if the opensolaris have somethings in common with linux ...i should make it my primary system
[20:12:03] <Cripps> kleppari, needing to stop and look at a manual before doing things is what we call the learning curve ;)
[20:12:29] <kleppari> what?
[20:12:34] <kleppari> I disagree
[20:12:40] <kleppari> the manual is essential in day to day use
[20:13:15] <kleppari> figuring that out is the learning curve ;-)
[20:13:19] * Cobra-the-joker agrees with kleppari
[20:13:54] <kleppari> I seldom write, for example, a find command without taking a 10 second look at man find
[20:14:19] <kleppari> which I can't do on opensolaris, because the manpage is missing
[20:15:29] <Cobra-the-joker> soo.....is opensolaris completly different from linux (commands and inside system )?
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[20:16:01] * Cobra-the-joker thinks that all ppl here was using linux before opensolaris
[20:16:09] <gonzzor> Does opensolaris dhcp-client work in any other way then others? I have a dhcp server on my network but it doesn't react on packages from Opensolaris but from Linux?
[20:16:19] <CosmicDJ> Cobra-the-joker: bsd user
[20:16:32] <CosmicDJ> Cobra-the-joker: but I started with suse linux :)
[20:16:32] <Cobra-the-joker> mmmm
[20:16:51] <Cobra-the-joker> so ......is it completly different ?
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[20:17:12] <CosmicDJ> Cobra-the-joker: yep, you can't compare Solaris with SuSE Linux 5.1 ;)
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[20:17:38] <vmlemon_> Similar enough to seem familiar, different enough to bite you/make you stop and figure stuff out ;)
[20:17:55] <Cobra-the-joker> mmmm
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[20:18:20] <kleppari> it's not that different, but it's not the same either
[20:18:23] <CosmicDJ> Cobra-the-joker: when you look it the gnome desktop; you can't say if it has linux or solaris under the hood that easily...
[20:18:31] <CosmicDJ> s/it/at/
[20:18:46] <Cobra-the-joker> yeah
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[20:19:38] <Cobra-the-joker> can it operate binary files (games :D)
[20:19:41] <Cripps> kleppari, I'm not disagreeing with a requirement for a manual always, but as a neophyte there is precious little I can do without a manual (read: ls, grep, cd, vim ...), whereas a seasoned user only needs to use a mnual for commands or options that they aren't familiar with.
[20:20:07] <kleppari> ok, let's agree on that. :)
[20:20:57] <kleppari> although i'm most of the time familiar with the command and I know what I want to do, but I can't remember if the parameter to command foo is -bar or -bbar :P
[20:21:11] <Cripps> kleppari, I'm a seasoned linux user, and I still use the manuals everyday ... I see your agreement, and raise you high-five.
[20:21:29] <Cripps> ah, yeah ... I feel that pain.
[20:21:55] <Cripps> unfortunately, I'm at the stage now where I first have to grok to see if there is a command to do what I want, *then* I read the manual for it.
[20:22:04] <dustman> Cripps: system V part is strong in solaris/opensolaris and you need to adapt
[20:22:08] <kleppari> man -k ;)
[20:22:30] <Cripps> ;)
[20:22:38] <kleppari> same as apropos
[20:22:41] <Cobra-the-joker> can OpenSolaris operate games ?
[20:23:05] <dustman> but /usr/gnu in path make it act more like linux, and /usr/ucb can turn it into bsd (almost)
[20:23:18] <dustman> Mines
[20:23:23] <Cripps> which, as odd as it is, I've never used (except in gdb) ... I usually use google.
[20:23:24] <dustman> nethack
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[20:23:35] <Cripps> dustman, that game is t3h p0wnz0rz
[20:23:39] <kleppari> try it, it's great :)
[20:23:49] <Cripps> kleppari, I shall.
[20:24:19] <Cobra-the-joker> mmmm....not graphical ones ?
[20:24:25] <kleppari> man -k compiler for instance returns gcc, a ssl library, dtrace, g77, etc..
[20:24:36] <kleppari> Cobra-the-joker: lxrun can run some linux binaries
[20:25:01] <Cobra-the-joker> Ok
[20:25:28] <Cripps> uh-oh ... for both apropos and man -k I get: "/usr/share/man/windex: No such file or directory"
[20:25:34] <Cripps> :/
[20:25:35] <kleppari> run catman -w
[20:25:47] <kleppari> it makes the manual page index
[20:26:02] <Cripps> hm ... wonder why man -k never found that ... ;)
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[20:45:19] <Dakylla> hi
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[20:45:54] <Dakylla> how can i set the the system to boot in console mode by default plz ?
[20:46:18] <e^ipi> disable the gdm service
[20:46:23] <e^ipi> 'man svcadm'
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[20:46:50] <Dakylla> e^ipi:that simple ??!!
[20:46:50] <CosmicDJ> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/solaris-starting-and-stopping-dtlogin-cde.html
[20:46:59] <Dakylla> CosmicDJ:yep
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[20:51:10] <codestr0m> the more I dig into the ON build.. the more I want to kick someone
[20:51:26] <codestr0m> onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/svc/configd/Makefile..... LIBSQLITE = $(ROOT)/usr/lib/libsqlite.o
[20:51:28] <codestr0m> !!
[20:51:51] <e^ipi> yeah, that one's not a big deal
[20:51:56] <e^ipi> for real fun, look at usr/src/lib
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[20:58:48] <CIA-34> Pu Chen - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Pu.Chen at Sun dot COM>: 6767074 man unlinks system file due to uninitialized variable
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[21:04:07] <clergyman> Does anyone know how opensolaris runs on thinkpads? R61 specifically?
[21:05:16] <clergyman> The intel wireless, intel graphics model
[21:05:36] <Triskelios> clergyman: should be well-supported
[21:05:59] <clergyman> Ok, interesting, might give it a go this weekend then :)
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[21:07:51] <clergyman> How comparable is it to Solaris in terms of development ?
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[21:08:50] <e^ipi> much better
[21:08:53] <e^ipi> things work forever
[21:09:09] <clergyman> I mean if I'm developing something.. if I get it working on opensolaris, will it definitely work on Solaris ?
[21:09:20] <e^ipi> i have a copy of NCSA mosaic 0.9 built for solaris 2.9 that works on solaris 10 and opensolaris
[21:09:22] <clergyman> are the tools the same or compatible
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[21:09:53] <e^ipi> if it works on 10, it will work on SXCE. assuming you don't use any new functions, the reverse should be true as well
[21:10:06] <clergyman> What's SXCE?
[21:10:27] <e^ipi> erm, that should read "solaris 2.5" not 2.9
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[21:10:35] <e^ipi> solaris express: community ed.
[21:10:54] <clergyman> Ah ok
[21:10:56] <Triskelios> clergyman: SXCE is the older opensolaris-based distro from Sun, which is more like Solaris 10
[21:11:48] <clergyman> Okey, what is ftp://ftp.df.lth.se/pub/opensolaris/current/os200805.iso ?
[21:12:01] <clergyman> That's not SXCE I assume?
[21:12:19] <e^ipi> no, that's the other distro
[21:12:29] <clergyman> Preferable for rookies? :)
[21:12:33] <e^ipi> things that you write there should work on 10 usually
[21:12:47] <e^ipi> no promises, i'd test it on 10 first (which is also free)
[21:13:05] <clergyman> Ok nice. Thanks a lot! I gotta rush.. but you'll hear from me again, no doubt :)
[21:14:38] <gerard13> export GTK_MODULES=`echo $GTK_MODULES | sed s/gnomebreakpad//g`
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[21:15:00] <gerard13> what's this kind of command does in opensolaris?
[21:15:17] <gerard13> is GTK_MODULES defined?
[21:15:31] <Triskelios> gerard13: it assumes it is...
[21:15:47] <Triskelios> and redefines it
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[21:17:31] <gerard13> but does it exist in solaris? i'm trying to recompile a soft that compile on linux
[21:17:52] <e^ipi> it's an environment variable
[21:17:57] <e^ipi> if you define it, it exists
[21:18:01] <e^ipi> if you don't, it doesn't
[21:19:03] <gerard13> no i don't define it, the devs are using it in their scripts, i'm wondering why
[21:19:07] <Triskelios> gerard13: it affects GTK program behaviour; it really doesn't have anything to do with compiling anything. or the OS, for that matter...
[21:19:39] <gerard13> yes, because scilab uses GTK to compile
[21:22:00] <_mary_kate_> hm
[21:22:15] <_mary_kate_> when i go here: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4554 and try to expand 'TCP/IP administration', it takes me back to the docs.sun.com main page
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[21:22:50] <Triskelios> gerard13: well, it disables the breakpad, which is GNOME's crash handler. presumably so you don't get a crash report window if something crashes during the build?
[21:23:17] <Triskelios> gerard13: this is really a GNOME/GTK question though...
[21:23:52] <Doc> mary_kate: that's an improvement over a few years ago, when 95% of the time you went to docs.sun.com you just got an error...
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[21:24:53] <hecki> hi
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[21:30:49] <gerard13> thanks Triskelios, i'm agree with you, but scilab cannot compile actually so i can't see if the crash is real
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[21:45:09] <bimbo> hello, I see sudo has been integrated into solaris... wasn't pfexec enough?
[21:45:27] <e^ipi> evidently not
[21:45:54] <e^ipi> learning new stuff is hard or something
[21:46:06] <e^ipi> ( it's almost as if it's a different operating system...)
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[21:47:17] <defaultro> good afternoon folks. I just heard opensolaris live cd today from another irc channel. I would like to use it on our Sunfire V40z to allow me to recover the data. That should work right?
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[21:48:00] <throwt> is sudo integrated with ldap and all the expected things on solaris?
[21:48:06] <bimbo> hmmm I don't understand what you are saying e^ipi
[21:48:43] <throwt> my take is he's mocking linux users, whose inflexibility but loud mouths convinced sun to include sudo with solaris
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[21:49:06] <e^ipi> throwt: correct.
[21:49:56] <MindDrive> Along with the hardcore sudo users who are simply afraid of pfexec and the new control mechanisms in general (personally I'll take pfexec over sudo any day).
[21:50:19] <_mary_kate_> there are perfectly legitimite reasons to use sudo on solaris, e.g. in an environment with several OSs
[21:50:24] <turtle> you would think linux users migrating to solaris wouldn't be all put-off to have to learn new things..
[21:50:30] <throwt> _mary_kate_: thats why pkgadd exists
[21:50:36] <_mary_kate_> why should someone be forced to maintain a separate rights database and use a different tool on one particular system?
[21:50:42] <_mary_kate_> throwt: yes, and now Sun is providing the packages to use with pkgadd
[21:50:56] <defaultro> Does opensolaris live cd detect my harddrive and mount it automatically?
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[21:51:14] <defaultro> or do I have to mount the existing partitions manually?
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[21:53:05] <dvz> defaultro your v40z is (or was) running solaris 10?
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[21:53:42] <defaultro> dvz, the hardware is the problem, the guy left us and didn't give us the password. I don't know what version it is running on
[21:53:57] <defaultro> it was installed like 2 years ago
[21:54:33] <defaultro> if it was 10, why?
[21:54:51] <dvz> but there's some version of solaris installed, right?
[21:55:11] <defaultro> yes. We just need to download all the jpeg and other html files
[21:55:19] <defaultro> and other files as well
[21:55:34] <defaultro> we're worried that if it crashes, we don't have a backup
[21:56:01] <dvz> you should be ok with opensolaris live cd
[21:56:01] <throwt> is 40z x86?
[21:56:07] <dvz> yes
[21:56:23] <throwt> then it should have the rescue image, right?  and when you boot that, it prompts and mounts the detected root partition
[21:56:41] <dvz> you still need the root pw
[21:56:52] <throwt> not in my experience
[21:57:16] <defaultro> oh
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[21:57:40] <defaultro> so you mean, I won't be able to mount the solaris partitions?
[21:57:57] <dvz> why not?
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[21:58:09] <defaultro> i actually didn't see your post earlier
[21:58:23] <defaultro> you wrote this, <dvz> you still need the root pw
[21:58:44] <Asako> not to just mount them
[21:58:45] <dvz> throwt you're probably right abot the root password
[21:58:56] <defaultro> so to summarize, I don't need the root pw to mount a partition correct?
[21:59:31] <throwt> barring third party software, yes
[21:59:40] <defaultro> bam
[21:59:47] <throwt> i dont think theres any root encryption third party software, but i didnt check
[21:59:48] <defaultro> nope, it's a simple partition for sure
[22:00:11] <defaultro> opensolaris live cd is my rescuer :D
[22:00:44] <throwt> i think its easier to use the miniroot-safe image (should be second option in grub)...  because that just plops you to # with / mounted as /a
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[22:00:56] <defaultro> do you guys know of a link from someone who shows screen by screen how opensolaris boots up, then network configuration, etc?
[22:01:09] <defaultro> never heard of miniroot-safe image
[22:01:19] <dvz> you also can boot solaris cd to single user mode or boot from network (not very pleasant experience on x86)
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[22:01:41] <defaultro> dvz, i can do that but I was told in #solaris that I need the root passwd to be able to mount the partition
[22:01:55] <_mary_kate_> defaultro: you don't if you boot from a different root, like cd or network
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[22:02:14] <Triskelios> defaultro: you don't need the root password in failsafe boot
[22:02:20] <defaultro> k
[22:02:21] <CosmicDJ> defaultro: just put a solaris 9-10 and boot it in singleuser mode; mount your root and just delete the root passwd...
[22:02:47] <throwt> there's like a thousand linnux "oh no, dont have root pass" rescue web pages, surprised there aren't abny for solaris
[22:03:10] <defaultro> that's what I don't want to do. MOdify the root since our Windows box that connects to it might be using the root account. Problem is, we also don't have access to the Windows box. :(
[22:03:41] <CosmicDJ> throwt: woot? there a thousands of root password recovery solaris pages...
[22:03:56] <defaultro> so be it opensolaris or solaris cd, I will be able to mount the partition without the need for password. Correct?
[22:04:12] <CosmicDJ> defaultro: when you boot from cdrom/net, yes
[22:04:18] <defaultro> cool
[22:04:45] <vmlemon_> Isn't it just a case of bunging in an optical disk, mounting the HDD partition, chrooting to the mounted partition and doing passwd?
[22:04:54] <vmlemon_> (Same with Linux and probably the BSDs)
[22:04:55] <dvz> defaultro: no solaris password, no windows password...who's administering your systems anyway? ;)
[22:05:04] <defaultro> no one right now, honestly
[22:05:13] <defaultro> the guy left
[22:05:21] <defaultro> he got pissed off with our boss
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[22:05:50] <Triskelios> should be trivial to reset the windows password, at least
[22:05:58] <Asako> how does solaris cluster handle ip failover?
[22:06:00] <defaultro> yeah, I have the tool for the windows
[22:06:17] <defaultro> it works pretty well but I want to ghost it first which failed last friday
[22:06:24] <Asako> Triskelios, can't reset windows without reinstalling
[22:06:33] <Asako> or you buy the sys internals tool to do it
[22:06:35] <defaultro> the friggin bios didn't grab any ip from a dhcp server I enabled in openbsd :(
[22:06:45] <defaultro> asako, you can
[22:06:55] <Asako> on server 2003 or 2008?
[22:06:57] <defaultro> yes
[22:07:03] <defaultro> not sure with 2008
[22:07:09] <defaultro> i have tried it
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[22:07:23] <defaultro> it even elevates a regular user to admin
[22:07:25] <Asako> hmm, last time I tried it wasn't supported
[22:07:30] <defaultro> it does now
[22:07:34] <Asako> cool
[22:07:36] <defaultro> i forgot the tool name
[22:07:53] <Asako> there's just so much to read on clustering
[22:08:01] <CosmicDJ> windows 2003 rootkit? ;)
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[22:08:03] <defaultro> :D
[22:08:18] <defaultro> so why would a friggin bios not grab an ip from a dhcp?
[22:08:49] <defaultro> i saw a different bios when I booted the dell box. The dell showed PXE and was able to grab an ip from openbsd
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[22:09:27] <defaultro> however, the other friggin box, it said acquiring ip address during bootup, then finally said, no dhcp or proxy server found
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[22:09:57] <defaultro> use a working ethernet cable, still failed :(
[22:10:35] <Triskelios> you mean ntpasswd doesn't work anymore? --> <Asako> Triskelios, can't reset windows without reinstalling
[22:10:54] <defaultro> :)
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[22:11:03] <defaultro> he's got the old version
[22:11:05] <Asako> maybe it does
[22:11:29] <Asako> dunno, I'm not a windows admin
[22:11:34] <defaultro> :D
[22:11:46] <Asako> linux/solaris is it
[22:12:08] <defaultro> i'm so glad folks for your helping me today regarding the live cd boot with no password requirement for mounting a slice
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[22:12:27] <Asako> can you set up zfs on a quorum device?
[22:12:35] <defaultro> is that for me?
[22:12:44] <Asako> no, anybody
[22:13:07] <Asako> I'm trying to figure out how to build a cluster with automatic zfs failover
[22:14:10] <Asako> seems like you really need a SAN to do it
[22:14:14] <_mary_kate_> hmm, when i try to dladm create-aggr, i get 'device busy'
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[22:14:59] <_mary_kate_> ah, they have to be unplumbed
[22:15:01] <Triskelios> _mary_kate_: unplumb first
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[22:16:25] <Cripps> does anybody know of a good tutorial to strip Gnome out of an opensolaris install and replace it with something lighter?
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[22:18:21] <Asako> there is a command using pkg
[22:18:34] <Asako> but it removes a lot of stuff
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[22:21:30] <codestr0m> Cripps: you can remove slim_install and then start removing packages that way.. in terms of adding something else.. that may be the compiling challenge
[22:21:53] <Cripps> codestr0m, okay, I'll give that a shot, thanks.
[22:21:59] <codestr0m> I'm not sure, but you could also try another distro that's using opensolaris technology
[22:22:11] <codestr0m> Cripps: honestly.. I wouldn't exactly advise this
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[22:22:25] <codestr0m> it's a lot more work and will probably fail unless you're determined
[22:22:49] <Cripps> codestr0m, I basically need a very bare solaris install ... the only reason I'm playing with it now is because I need a reference point.
[22:23:01] <Cripps> I'm helping with the DTrace project for QNX
[22:23:27] <codestr0m> Cripps: gotcha.. I'd rather give honest feedback than you have frustrated and pissed off cause /we/I didn't warn you :)
[22:23:44] <Cripps> codestr0m, much appreciated.
[22:23:59] <Asako> Cripps, install SXCE with just the core
[22:24:08] <codestr0m> QNX.com ?
[22:24:14] <Cripps> codestr0m, yep ;)
[22:24:16] <Auralis_> reduced network core, even smaller :)
[22:24:17] <codestr0m> Asako: that's a good idea :)
[22:24:30] <Cripps> it is ... I guess I'll have to grab the iso for it.
[22:24:45] <Asako> so for HA ZFS, is a SAN required?
[22:24:56] <_mary_kate_> Asako: shared storage.  not necessarily a san
[22:24:59] <_mary_kate_> it can be DAS
[22:25:24] <Asako> like SAS?
[22:25:28] <_mary_kate_> yes
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[22:25:49] <Asako> not sure that will work with my requirements then
[22:26:04] <Asako> guess I could run AVS with iscsi as the storage
[22:26:18] <CosmicDJ> DAS = SAS?!
[22:26:31] <Asako> like a scsi backplane
[22:27:20] <Asako> basically I just want to mirror two boxes, with service failover like heartbeat
[22:28:05] <_mary_kate_> CosmicDJ: yes?
[22:28:17] <_mary_kate_> well, it could be SCSI too.. i don't think SATA would work with cluster, though
[22:28:20] <e^ipi> Cripps: disk is so cheap it's not really that big of a deal... install something lighter and set up gdm
[22:28:23] <Auralis_> DAS = Direct attached storage
[22:28:33] <e^ipi> i installed fluxbox and just use that
[22:28:36] <e^ipi> it compiles cleanly
[22:28:56] <Asako> _mary_kate_, boss doesn't want to have separate storage
[22:29:09] <Cripps> e^ipi, considering my test machine ... I would argue that ;)
[22:29:15] <Asako> with linux I can mirror sda to sda on another machine
[22:29:30] <e^ipi> Cripps: in that case, tried milax?
[22:29:31] <Asako> add heartbeat for HA
[22:29:48] <Cripps> no, I haven't
[22:29:57] <codestr0m> Cripps: this is interesting http://www.qnx.com/news/pr_2982_1.html
[22:30:30] <codestr0m> Cripps: are you working on something close to an embedded device or minimal system resources?
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[22:30:56] <Cripps> codestr0m, I'm working on an *old* laptop.
[22:31:09] <Asako> thing is with a nas/san what happens when that dies?
[22:31:14] <Cripps> ... an *old* laptop running dual boot.
[22:31:20] <codestr0m> aha. ok. and the link to the source from that announcement is down  or doesn't like my proxy :P
[22:31:29] <_mary_kate_> Asako: like i said, you don't need a nas/san, DAS is fine
[22:31:39] <Asako> ok
[22:31:47] <e^ipi> Gman_: around?
[22:32:04] <Cripps> codestr0m, http://community.qnx.com/sf/projects/filesystems;jsessionid=330A58D4A4C72B9F5B5AF802DA9EF77D
[22:32:06] <vmlemon_> Ooh, something interesting from QNX?
[22:32:07] <Asako> _mary_kate_, would that be the quorum device?
[22:32:24] <_mary_kate_> i don't know enough about cluster to answer that
[22:32:29] <Asako> ok
[22:32:45] <codestr0m> Cripps: sent you a pm
[22:32:51] <Gman_> e^ipi: yes
[22:32:52] <Asako> qnx is still around?
[22:33:26] <Cripps> Asako, alive and kicking :)
[22:33:30] <e^ipi> regarding yanking the CD distribution, any chance CD1 can still kick around?
[22:33:34] <vmlemon_> It's still around, and mostly covered under a shared source scheme
[22:33:40] <_mary_kate_> Asako: the problem with replicating the data and failing over is you need to do sync replication (so writes don't return until it's been written to the other side), otherwise you can failover to old data
[22:33:45] <e^ipi> it's saved me in the past on machines that don't like to boot net
[22:33:50] <_mary_kate_> and that tends to be slow(er)
[22:34:01] <e^ipi> even an out of date CD1 still runs the installer from NFS
[22:34:04] <Asako> yeah
[22:34:08] <Asako> the demo says use async
[22:34:24] <Asako> I'm running it over a gigabit crossover right now
[22:34:27] <codestr0m> Cripps:  that license sucks.. non-commercial use :P
[22:34:49] <Asako> it's got 79% to go
[22:34:51] <Cripps> lol ... yeah, well ... I get all the benefits of being able to code on it and not care where it goes ;)
[22:35:07] <Asako> next time I'll enable it using -E, hehe
[22:35:22] <Asako> and rtls sucks, btw
[22:36:00] <Gman_> e^ipi: cd1 is the problem basically
[22:36:12] <Gman_> e^ipi: i think the old CDs will stick around
[22:36:20] <e^ipi> Gman_: okay, cool
[22:36:35] <e^ipi> i'm not concerned with them being up to date, just that they exist
[22:36:48] <Gman_> yeah, i'll make sure we keep that somewhere
[22:36:53] <Cripps> why are there so many CDs for SXCE ?
[22:36:59] <Asako> nobody is around in #ohac
[22:37:08] <e^ipi> Cripps: because it includes everything under the sun
[22:37:15] <Asako> it's 1 DVD
[22:37:15] <e^ipi> heh... sun...
[22:37:23] <Cripps> lol.
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[22:37:45] <Cripps> could I get away with only one CD and use pkg for adding whatever else I need?
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[22:37:53] <e^ipi> yeah, that's what 2008.05 is for
[22:38:02] <e^ipi> or 2008.11 same time before december
[22:38:08] <e^ipi> *some
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[22:38:37] <vmlemon_> Anyone got OpenWindows or CDE working on OpenSolaris 2008.* at all yet? ;)
[22:38:56] <Cripps> ah.
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[22:39:28] <e^ipi> SXCE doen't have pkg(5)
[22:39:39] <Asako> pkgadd
[22:39:42] <Cripps> oh, I see.
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[22:43:30] <Cripps> here's a shot in the dark: "pkg image-update" is how I would do an upgrade from 2008.05 to 2008.11 from a 2008.05 install, correct?
[22:45:29] <e^ipi> yep
[22:45:52] <Cripps> good ... and I figured that out all on my own ;)
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[22:45:59] <e^ipi> :)
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[22:52:38] <Asako> I've learned a lot about clustering this week
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[22:53:12] <CosmicDJ> and? does it suit your needs?
[22:53:21] <Gman_> Cripps: not quite all
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[22:53:31] <Gman_> you need to read the release notes if you're using a non-modified 2008.05
[22:53:38] <Gman_> otherwise you'll fall into a critical bug
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[22:53:52] <Asako> CosmicDJ, possibly
[22:53:52] <aquanaut> Asaka, Where did you learn? Also, Have you played with DS agents?
[22:54:10] <Gman_> Cripps: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/image-update/
[22:54:11] <Asako> aquanaut, just downloaded it, reading the docs, blogs, etc.
[22:54:35] <Asako> so what I need is some type of redundant storage
[22:54:56] <aquanaut> For the quorum device, or for you app?
[22:55:03] <Cripps> Gman_, that;s a handy page. Thanks. I'm going to follow the rest of the steps after the pkg image-update completes.
[22:55:09] <Asako> for our apps, and quorum
[22:55:13] <CosmicDJ> buy sun's new 7000er storage, they have clustering included ;)
[22:55:23] <Asako> yeah, they don't want to buy new hardware
[22:55:39] <Asako> we could mirror two coraids and set up iscsi targets
[22:55:55] <Asako> I'd love to just buy sun servers
[22:56:01] <Gman_> Cripps: ok, just saying that's likely not to work
[22:56:15] <Gman_> Cripps: depending on when you installed 2008.05
[22:56:21] <Cripps> Gman_, then I shall stop it, and follow those directions from scratch :)
[22:56:23] <Gman_> pre sept, or post sept
[22:56:26] <Cripps> I installed it today.
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[22:56:38] <Gman_> bts should fix it
[22:56:45] <Cripps> from an ISO that I downloaded last night.
[22:56:49] <Cripps> bts?
[22:56:54] <Gman_> ok
[22:56:55] <tsylla> is there a way to limit the amount of memory that the Soalris kernel will use, like "mem=xxM" for a linux kernel?
[22:56:59] <Gman_> BTS = back to school
[22:57:03] <Asako> of course I've been saying for years that we NEED a SAN
[22:57:08] <Gman_> which was a re-spin of what was released in may
[22:57:09] <Cripps> ah.
[22:57:19] <Gman_> comay: BTS people can just do a pkg image-update, right?
[22:57:20] <Cripps> so I should be cooking with gas then?
[22:57:25] <Gman_> they don't need to do some of the other steps?
[22:57:30] <hali> tsylla: no but you can use resource control in solaris to lock down memory usage
[22:57:34] <Gman_> Cripps: let me confirm first
[22:57:41] <Cripps> okay.
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[22:58:52] <CIA-34> Dana Myers <Dana.Myers at Sun dot COM>: 6770875 acpi_intp: crufty leftovers clutter-up Makefile.files
[22:58:53] <CIA-34> Neil Perrin <Neil.Perrin at Sun dot COM>: 6760048 assertion failed: !BP_SHOULD_BYTESWAP(bp)
[22:59:14] <Asako> how long should it take to sync a 150 gb disk?
[22:59:30] <Asako> over a gigabit connection
[22:59:46] <Cripps> 150 seconds? ;)
[22:59:55] <Cripps> .... plus seek and write time.
[22:59:58] <Asako> lol
[23:00:05] <Asako> not quite, it's been running all day
[23:00:25] <Cripps> gross. slow drive.
[23:00:38] <Asako> they're sata
[23:01:04] <Asako> in production I'd use SAS
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[23:02:33] <Cripps> alright, time for me to bugger off for the night.
[23:02:39] <Cripps> cheers!
[23:02:45] <Asako> later
[23:02:55] <TomJ> even a crappy drive should do 35MB/s write sustained
[23:03:16] <TomJ> which means 150gb would take 1 hour 15 minutes
[23:04:10] <_mary_kate_> did you ever see SVM sync a disk at that speed? ;)
[23:04:30] <dustman> what is better, cdrw or cdrtools?
[23:04:35] <TomJ> no SVM does seem a little slow admittedly
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[23:04:40] <TomJ> but he said over the network, sounds like a straight file copy
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[23:04:48] <TomJ> well, image
[23:04:52] <_mary_kate_> i think he's using AVS
[23:04:55] <Asako> yeah
[23:05:17] <TomJ> never used that
[23:05:34] <Asako> [root at sctest1 dot liquidweb.com] ~ >> dsstat -m sndr
[23:05:34] <Asako> name              t  s    pct role    kps   tps  svt
[23:05:34] <Asako> dev/rdsk/c2d1s0   P SY  76.96  net    Inf     0 -NaN
[23:05:38] <_mary_kate_> zfs syncing a 250G disk:  scrub: resilver in progress for 4h26m, 6.62% done, 62h39m to go
[23:05:47] <Gman_> Cripps: you need to follow the doc
[23:05:48] <Gman_> 2008.11 is build 86
[23:05:48] <Gman_> Cripps: so you need to create a BE, mount it, apply the update to that, and do the install grub step
[23:05:48] <Gman_> otherwise you'll have issues, unfortunately
[23:06:03] <Asako> or just get the RC
[23:06:05] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: ouch. drive is full?
[23:06:11] <_mary_kate_> ~50%
[23:06:36] <defaultro> what command should I use in livecd to display partitions that I can mount?
[23:07:09] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: drive in heavy use?
[23:07:31] <_mary_kate_> the pool's doing about 20MB/s read and 2MB/s write
[23:07:44] <Asako> defaultro, format
[23:07:52] <defaultro> ok
[23:08:03] <TomJ> wow sounds a bit broken
[23:08:11] <Asako> format </dev/null
[23:08:55] <Asako> well, that just lists disks
[23:09:10] <defaultro> yep, and I can just my own mount points
[23:09:32] <defaultro> will format show what type of fs it is?
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[23:09:50] <bimbo> dustman: I believe cdrw is what you are looking for
[23:10:08] <Asako> defaultro, don't think so, they're most likely ufs
[23:10:13] <defaultro> k
[23:10:39] <TT> is tehre an latex gui editor in the repository?
[23:10:40] <Asako> there's a package that adds commands for listing partitions
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[23:11:37] <comay> Gman_, yes - from BTS, image-update should just work
[23:11:59] <Asako> defaultro, look for FSWpart
[23:12:06] <defaultro> Thanks :)
[23:12:14] <defaultro> I will download the iso soon and try it  on my machine
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[23:21:58] <codestr0m> if I need a long long on amd64. what type should I use? (just long long?)
[23:22:07] <TT> how can i mount 2 or more zfs to on dir?
[23:22:22] <smtms> codestr0m, long long is long long on i386, amd64, sparc, whatever
[23:22:27] <smtms> codestr0m, now, what's your question?
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[23:22:40] <danboid> I see there's no menu.lst under /boot/grub on 2008.11. What is the main grub config file under solaris?
[23:23:26] <codestr0m> smtms: int64_t isn't a long long on i386 and converting this over to amd64.. is there a safe type for both arches
[23:24:29] <codestr0m> danboid: if you have zfs root.. your grub will probably be under /rpool, but I *highly* advise you don't touch it
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[23:25:05] <smtms> codestr0m, why do you care what type int64_t is?
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[23:25:07] <codestr0m> danboid: man beadm as that's a lot safer
[23:25:36] <codestr0m> smtms: no. I need another type.. which is long long on amd64 anyway.. I'll figure it out
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[23:26:15] <smtms> codestr0m, you'll need to figure it out, as you seemingly can't explain what you want
[23:26:32] <russp> I downloaded today's Solaris Express Community Edition dvd bits.  I checked the md5sum --okay. Burned the iso to dvd, and then did a "boot cdrom".  It has now been about an hour, and it is only now checking the rules.ok file... Is this normal?
[23:26:52] <Auralis_> no
[23:29:08] <danboid> codestr0m: Sorry but I don't think thats what I want. I need the grub entries as I want to get OS dual booting with Linux. OS didn't want to install after Lin or Win so I scrapped everything, installed OS and left some free space so I could install linux after
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[23:30:37] <codestr0m> danboid: you're right. sorry bootadm is what I wanted to say
[23:30:56] <russp> Can anybody add to the "no" answer I received?
[23:31:19] <Asako> no, it's not normal
[23:31:36] <russp> ;) thanks.
[23:31:39] <Asako> try running an md5 sum, or burn it again
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[23:31:52] <Triskelios> russp: shouldn't take more than 5 minutes only anything made after 2001...
[23:31:56] <russp> did the sum.
[23:31:59] <Triskelios> *on anything
[23:32:19] <Triskelios> russp: you could try the CD1 instead, or netbooting
[23:32:50] <russp> CD1?
[23:33:13] <Asako> on my usb dvd drive it takes about an hour to install
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[23:33:18] <russp> what does a "boot net" get me?
[23:33:35] <Auralis_> nothing if you don't have an install server
[23:33:42] <Triskelios> russp: bootp+tftp (assuming you have another computer to serve it)
[23:33:49] <russp> I have Sol10u5 on my system, is there another way to launch the install on the dvd?
[23:33:58] <russp> from a term window that is.
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[23:34:09] <russp> cd to /cdrom.....
[23:34:20] <Auralis_> you want to update your current install?
[23:34:24] <russp> no
[23:34:24] <Triskelios> russp: maybe you can liveupgrade? not sure if that works from S10->SXCE...
[23:34:30] <danboid> codestr0m: Thanks! The command I needed was 'bootadm list-menu' which told me that the file is actually hiding at /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:34:34] <Auralis_> if you have a spare slice you can live upgrade
[23:36:01] <Triskelios> danboid: if the DVD doesn't work, I usually either netboot or use the first CD of the CD set to install from the network (both assume you have a second computer)
[23:36:05] <defaultro> is it possible to a utility when we are in livecd?
[23:36:08] <codestr0m> danboid: as I told you. it's in /rpool , but if you change it.. 90% you'll render your system unbootable at some point
[23:36:20] <defaultro> oops :D is it possible to install a utility ....
[23:36:25] <Triskelios> defaultro: yes, the packaging commands should work on the live CD
[23:36:30] <defaultro> ok
[23:37:18] <prav33n> Anyone know when this kernel bug will be fixed?
[23:37:19] <prav33n> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=4854243
[23:37:21] <danboid> codestr0m: So how to go about installing OS and Linux on the same drive then?
[23:37:24] <Triskelios> codestr0m: uh, no. it's very easy to edit the grub menu without messing stuff up
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[23:38:02] <e^ipi> danboid: install linux on the other drive, don't let it install grub to the MBR
[23:38:22] <e^ipi> then copy them menu.lst entries down, and place them in the solaris menu.lst
[23:38:33] <e^ipi> our grub can boot linux
[23:38:36] <Triskelios> or you can just chainload the second grub from the first
[23:38:38] <e^ipi> the converse is not true
[23:39:14] <danboid> e^ipi: THanks! Thats what'll do then!
[23:39:30] <codestr0m> Triskelios: #---------- ADDED BY BOOTADM - DO NOT EDIT ---------- that line should give some indicator as what not to do.. and using bootadm. I'm pretty sure he can do what he wants. it's more safe
[23:40:05] <Triskelios> codestr0m: duh, don't edit AFTER that line
[23:40:23] <Triskelios> codestr0m: it's perfectly safe to add things before or after that section
[23:40:51] <Asako> use beadm
[23:40:52] <codestr0m> Triskelios: I've added things after that section and still had to livecd repair after an update
[23:41:10] <russp> well adios.  So much for it "just working".
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[23:41:29] <e^ipi> when did anyone ever claim that things "just work" ?
[23:41:48] <danboid> Yeah, this isn't OSX ;)
[23:41:52] <Triskelios> codestr0m: sorry, the only explanation is that you screwed up
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[23:42:35] <e^ipi> it's a complex system and not very forgiving when you do things and don't understand how they work
[23:42:41] <codestr0m> Triskelios: lol. right.. well. I've been hand editing my grub menu.lst for years.. and only after some broken tool screws things up am I to blame..
[23:44:23] <Triskelios> codestr0m: it works fine for everyone else
[23:44:48] <codestr0m> Triskelios: yes. I'm sure it's all perfect software and any bug I hit is just my fault ;)
[23:45:51] <codestr0m> your argument is weak at best.. and only because I don't have a bug report does this conversation go on even a *little* bit more.. anyway.. enjoy your day/evening...
[23:45:55] <Triskelios> anyway editing menu.lst is the only way to go. neither beadm or bootadm can manage menu entries for other OSes
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[23:48:43] <danboid> Triskelios: Nope. The bootadm man page specifically mentions Linux
[23:49:36] <Triskelios> danboid: that is list-menu. it does not edit the menu for you, except for the reserved section or to change defaults
[23:50:08] <danboid> Yeah- I wasn't expecting it to auto-edit my menu
[23:50:55] <bimbo> don't mess things up, use a linux version of grub and chainload your solaris os from there, that way you keep things separate and bug free
[23:52:07] <danboid> bimbo: You're saying 'leave solaris grub on mbr, install Linux grub onto own partition' like codestr0m right?
[23:52:36] <Triskelios> danboid: or the other way around. it works either way and lets each system maintain its own menu
[23:52:48] <bimbo> no
[23:52:51] <bimbo> the other way around
[23:53:04] <Triskelios> danboid: you will have to add the chainloader entry for whichever is the grub loaded from the MBR
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[23:55:22] <Asako> can I change mirroring mode after AVS has been started?
[23:55:33] <Asako> like from async to sync
[23:56:35] <defaultro> so Triskelios, OS once it's booted, it has network support right? Also, will it be able to see my external usb drive?
[23:57:06] <Triskelios> defaultro: yes (if it's ntfs you'
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[23:57:35] <Triskelios> ll only get read-only access though)
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[23:59:16] <defaultro> I will have to initialize the usb external drive then
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