[00:00:08] <codestr0m> (not mine) , but that would explain why the spec file I was trying to find was gone/unmaintained
[00:00:33] <e^ipi> transmission is 1.33 in nevada *shrug*
[00:00:53] <Auralis_> official transmission is up to 1.40
[00:01:00] <Auralis_> as of yesterday
[00:01:07] <e^ipi> meh, still pretty up to date
[00:01:22] <Auralis_> its definetl yin a useable state as included
[00:01:25] <codestr0m> anyway. it's missing pretty common features I need that deluge and others have
[00:01:35] <Asako> bah, you can't use a zvol as a bitmap
[00:01:51] <Asako> dsbitmap: error: unable to read the vtoc from partition, /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/files-bm: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[00:02:15] <Asako> never mind, gotta use rdsk
[00:03:54] <Asako> and I gotta go
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[00:17:21] <ipfw> apps I use for a desktop, transmission, gqview, filezilla, pidgin, kpat, ktuberling, acroread, virtualbox, k3b, frostwire, picasa, vlc, xchat, skype, firefox, and uTorrent(wine)
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[00:22:15] <codestr0m> ipfw: skype sucks :P and you'll need to run that in a zone.. been there..
[00:22:40] <_mary_kate_> or in virtualbox
[00:23:16] <Auralis_> can't wait for nativ acroread for solx86
[00:23:17] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: is vb stable and relatively bug free?
[00:23:26] <_mary_kate_> not had any problems
[00:23:42] <codestr0m> I thought there was some usb issue.. good to know. is that v2?
[00:23:53] <_mary_kate_> although its seamless mode isn't quite perfect, if you bring one windows window to the front, it brings them all to the front
[00:23:59] <_mary_kate_> i don't use usb.  yes, v2
[00:24:07] <TomJ> skype is pretty good actually. for text IM it is far more resilient and reliable than any other protocol I've used
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[00:24:22] <TomJ> the linux client lacks a little comapred to the windows one, and on solaris it's a non-starter.. but in principle it's good
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[00:24:51] <babak> which kind of sun proxy server i should  setup for open solaris
[00:24:53] <babak> ?
[00:25:08] <_mary_kate_> babak: how could we possibly know that without knowing what you want to do with it?
[00:25:18] <codestr0m> umm.. it's closed source.. and just another proprietary thing we can't use. I'm failing to see what it provides which something else does technically
[00:25:40] <TomJ> who cares if it's closed source? 99% of everything you use in your life is proprietary
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[00:25:50] <babak> i want to use as chaching server
[00:25:53] <TomJ> and its text IM protocol is the best I've seen ,as  i said
[00:26:02] <_mary_kate_> babak: then use sun java system web proxy server
[00:26:03] <TomJ> most other protocols just give up on network errors, skype is extremely resillient
[00:26:40] <babak> i should download  solar ver  or linux ver for open solaris ?
[00:27:01] <_mary_kate_> is opensolaris linux?
[00:27:02] <TomJ> babak: think about that for a moment
[00:27:55] * Aria laughs a little. 99% of everything, eh, TomJ?
[00:27:59] <babak> i setup that for about 5 min only and in grafic it looklike linux and some  standard shell command be same as linux
[00:29:01] <babak> okkk  it is solaris  but
[00:29:07] <TomJ> Aria: Well, I dont know the exact number.. but do you know Coke's special recipe?  Does BMW, Honda or Ford give you the blueprints for your car? etc.   people whine about open source who use proprietary and protected things in all other aspects of their lives, daily.
[00:29:19] <Aria> I don't have a car and don't drink coke.
[00:29:19] <babak> can u hellp me to setup transparent proxy on it?
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[00:31:17] <babak> i found squid packaje on repository for opensolaris  but you say that i can use java sun proxy server on it ///
[00:31:48] <sickness> babak: squid should be already included in SXCE, even if maybe it's called something like "layer 7 accelerator" :P
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[00:33:00] <babak> ok in this case if i use sun java proxy server on open solaris then it can work az transparent proxy or WCCP protocol enable ?
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[00:34:07] <sickness> what's WCCP?!?
[00:34:20] <babak> the protocol that CI
[00:34:47] <babak> Cisco router support for transparent proxy  external working
[00:35:10] <babak> can i use iptable  normal command on opensolaris?
[00:35:35] <hile_> Since when is iptables normal?
[00:35:57] <ipfw> codestr0m, yeah... seeing _some_ applications is better than none though. I know os2008.11 may not be the total solution, but I am glad to see things getting closer all the time
[00:35:58] <babak> ip table command that use for redhat . or suse
[00:36:21] <e^ipi> babak, those aren't normal, they're linux-specific nonsense
[00:36:26] <Auralis_> babak:
[00:36:36] <Auralis_> ipf is used in solaris
[00:36:37] <ipfw> babak, look up the SAG in the topic, it will tell you most of the basic admin stuff
[00:37:26] <babak> can you get me some refrence download link   about networking in opensolaris?
[00:37:51] <hile_> read teh systems administration documentation  on docs.sun.com
[00:37:59] <hile_> it's really quite goood
[00:38:11] <babak> and last ask
[00:38:17] <e^ipi> babak, /topic
[00:38:23] <e^ipi> babak, the books are in the /topic
[00:38:43] <e^ipi> every sysadmin topic your little heart desires, all can be accessed in /topic
[00:39:10] <babak> then what is diferent betwin  solaris and opensolaris  ?
[00:39:39] <e^ipi> the same as the difference between redhat enterprise linux and fedora
[00:39:43] * FrostCS crie
[00:39:46] * FrostCS cries*
[00:39:54] <babak> thats only
[00:40:06] <e^ipi> one is older and commercially supported
[00:40:26] <babak> oh my gud  thats nice
[00:40:57] <babak> then i can use all kind of sun application that is free on opensolaris ?
[00:41:37] <e^ipi> assuming the dependencies are taken care of
[00:42:49] <babak> if i setup solaris that downloaded from sun web site  then  i can use it without support in free or not ?
[00:43:13] <e^ipi> yes
[00:43:14] <alanc> yes
[00:44:10] <babak> so i can use solaris for sun proxy server not opensolaris?  do you thinks this is beter !!?
[00:44:35] <e^ipi> better is a loaded term
[00:45:46] <babak> can you explane more ? i can not understand
[00:46:31] <e^ipi> solaris 10 is older. it has an older package manager that requires you to solve dependencies yourself
[00:46:48] <e^ipi> it is quite well supported though, and if you're going to deploy it in a critical place, it's reccomended
[00:47:01] <e^ipi> opensolaris has all the new hot stuff, but it's not tested as well
[00:47:11] <e^ipi> so there may be glaring show-stopper bugs
[00:47:27] <babak> ok
[00:48:02] <babak> then for my ISP i can setup and  test  both of them  !!
[00:48:09] <babak> thanks  very much
[00:48:18] <e^ipi> for an ISP i'd use solaris10
[00:48:21] <e^ipi> since the business depends on it
[00:48:24] <kimc> trying to install b101 and there doens't appear to be an option to install on a zfs file system.. is this the way b101 is supposed to work?
[00:48:40] <e^ipi> kimc, boot the text installer
[00:48:46] <kimc> ok thanks
[00:48:55] <e^ipi> unless you're using 2008.11, in which case it's not an option, it's mandatory
[00:49:06] <kimc> right.. no text installer there
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[00:49:24] <e^ipi> yeah, so then there's no option... you must use zfs
[00:49:31] <kimc> yes right
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[00:58:54] <CIA-59> jv227347 <Jordan.Vaughan at Sun dot com>: 5073914 extend zonecfg physical interface name syntax checks, 6700946 zone name of digits confuses zoneadm
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[01:05:31] <kimc> now have b101 installing on a zfs root
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[01:06:53] <tsoome> that reminds me to  test jumpstart and datasets option for zfs root..
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[01:33:48] <c00p> Has anyone here installed the latest indiana (2008.11) preview ?
[01:34:07] <alanc> yes
[01:34:38] <c00p> I am trying to install on a x4500 as a test - I have never done a text based install - is it possible - Googiling now ...
[01:35:01] <_mary_kate_> no(t easily)
[01:35:19] <alanc> there is no text based installer, only the gui
[01:35:28] <_mary_kate_> but there is/was a network installer
[01:35:44] <_mary_kate_> just use the X4500's ilom
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[01:35:59] <alanc> right, there's the AutoInstall replacement for jumpstart - but I haven't learned how to use that yet
[01:36:04] <c00p> yeh I am ...
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[01:36:16] <c00p> it just failed starting x before ... will give it another go
[01:38:05] <c00p> is the installer just going to be on the live environments desktop like 2008.05 ?
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[01:41:11] <nachox> AutoInstall is ready'sh?
[01:41:41] <ipfw> c00p, what flavor of graphics card ?
[01:41:43] <alanc> c00p: yes, boot the livecd into the desktop, click on the install icon
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[01:45:51] <c00p> ipfw: what ever the x4500 comes with ... some dodgy thing :) it's not made for X
[01:46:41] <kleppari> is there a valid reason why named from SUNWbind is run as root by-default?
[01:47:00] <c00p> kleppari: I doubt it - up to you to configure it ...
[01:47:11] <c00p> I chroot and run mine as named
[01:47:18] <c00p> svccfg is your friend :)
[01:47:25] <e^ipi> kleppari, because you don't understand how RBAC works?
[01:47:29] <ipfw> kleppari, my guess is they haven't consulted the openbsd team yet ;)
[01:47:34] <e^ipi> the credentials limit a lot
[01:47:53] <ipfw> e^ipi, what is RBAC ?
[01:47:55] <c00p> I really need to learn and understand RBAC
[01:48:01] <e^ipi> ipfw, in manual section 5
[01:48:07] <codestr0m> e^ipi: is there any documentation on mbst_get_lc_and_fp ?
[01:48:07] <ipfw> SAG ?
[01:48:27] <codestr0m> as in how it should be implemented or is it look at the code and it should be obvious maybe?
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[01:48:46] <kleppari> e^ipi: might be
[01:48:46] <e^ipi> kleppari, root is just a collection of privileges. if you check the actual privs bind runs under, it's a tiny subset of what you're used to 'root' being
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[01:49:29] <kleppari> e^ipi: ah, okay
[01:49:41] <dep> ipfw: role-based access control (see rbac(5))
[01:49:43] <e^ipi> i still run dns/server in a zone but that's because i like the partitioning rather than any security concerns
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[01:50:03] <kleppari> so, the privileges specified in the <method credential> section are the ONLY priveleges named runs as?
[01:50:04] <e^ipi> and zones are so cheap they're basically free
[01:50:20] <e^ipi> kleppari, correct
[01:50:25] <kleppari> yeah, I installed it in a zone too
[01:50:40] <c00p> dam gonna have to stick with USB CD Rom - when I try mount through iilom says not supported ... I am connecting with firefox on my mac ...
[01:50:41] <kleppari> but there's a little voice inside of my head that tells me never to run named as root.. :P
[01:50:53] <e^ipi> codestr0m, no, there's very little documentation on any of that
[01:51:27] <codestr0m> e^ipi: also set_orientation_wide in terms of man page/docs.. it's naming makes it slightly more intuitive though..
[01:51:44] <e^ipi> kleppari, that voice in your head hasn't caught up to modern OS's yet, and is still operating under the best security considerations 1969 had to offer
[01:52:07] <codestr0m> e^ipi: in your original implementation what did you do to resolve this?
[01:52:40] <e^ipi> codestr0m, are those even public symbols?
[01:53:08] <kleppari> e^ipi: I like multiple layers of security
[01:53:09] <codestr0m> e^ipi: they are needed to build libc unless I've done something wrong?
[01:53:12] <kleppari> so to speak
[01:53:28] <kleppari> but I'll admit that I don't grasp rbac well enough
[01:54:00] <e^ipi> codestr0m, if they aren't in the public section, they aren't required.
[01:54:09] 
[01:54:29] <e^ipi> so remove them from doprnt_w
[01:54:43] <e^ipi> private implementation details can change
[01:54:54] <codestr0m> gotcha..
[01:56:13] <c00p> ok got to the opensolaris console - can the x4500 boot x ...
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[01:56:38] <codestr0m> iirc you also mentioned something about posix compliance... are you aware if the fbsd functions you ported over posix compliant?
[01:56:49] <e^ipi> i didn't bother to check
[01:57:32] <e^ipi> but if you're using all that old code you're likely to just shoot yourself in the foot
[01:57:41] <e^ipi> it's a dead end, hence why i decided it would be best to remove it
[01:58:05] <codestr0m> dead end of acceptance from an outside commiter
[01:58:14] <codestr0m> technically it was a sound idea though
[01:58:15] <e^ipi> dead end of getting it to work
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[01:58:37] <codestr0m> ok. I'm not following
[01:58:45] <e^ipi> it doesn't compile
[01:58:48] <codestr0m> you were building most of ON with this based on what I read from your docs?
[01:58:49] <CIA-59> George Wilson <George.Wilson at Sun dot COM>: 6769612 zpool_import() will continue to write to cachefile even if altroot is set
[01:58:57] <e^ipi> most of ON was untouched
[01:59:20] <codestr0m> libc.so.1 doesn't compile or compiled and was just bad/unusable?
[01:59:27] <e^ipi> doesn't compile
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[01:59:31] <e^ipi> doesn't link
[01:59:34] <proberts_> is it possible to create a zpool from iscsi initators?
[01:59:35] <c00p> yay second time lucky
[01:59:42] <e^ipi> proberts_, yeah, why not
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[02:00:14] <codestr0m> k. well. I have 7 unresolved symbols left for it to link as far as I can tell
[02:00:15] <e^ipi> codestr0m, the best course of action, and what i shouldve done to begin with, is to take the list of symbols, and replace them with linker-friendly noops
[02:00:20] <e^ipi> and then fix things
[02:00:40] <codestr0m> yeah. that also makes sense
[02:00:45] <e^ipi> those 7 symbols, when resolved, uncover 7 other symbols, which when resolved uncover the original 7
[02:00:49] <e^ipi> there's no real way around it
[02:00:52] <codestr0m> isn't that sorta what you did in the hg changeset?
[02:01:18] <proberts_> e^ipi:  what if I take another zfs pool and share iscsi luns to another solaris 10 box and then create a zpool from those initators
[02:01:19] <e^ipi> what i did in the changeset was remove the private symbols from the linker map file, and remove the makefile checks
[02:01:23] <codestr0m> so it's basically just deeper into the rabbit hole
[02:01:30] <e^ipi> yeah,
[02:01:41] <e^ipi> proberts_, that sounds silly, but yeah... i'd just use NFS though
[02:01:58] <proberts_> well the benefit in theory is you could have multiple boxes sharing iscsi to you
[02:02:02] <codestr0m> well. in theory the emancipation page is just the bottom of that worst case
[02:02:03] <proberts_> and create one massive zpool
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[02:02:12] <codestr0m> and the original things ported over from fbsd are a start at least
[02:02:44] <e^ipi> they will be a start, yes
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[02:02:59] <e^ipi> wholesale copying without regard to the differences between the system ( which is what I did ) won't work though
[02:04:01] <e^ipi> plus side i learned a lot about the ON build infrastructure while doing it
[02:05:17] <codestr0m> in any event.. we'll need more info on some of those functions..
[02:05:17] <codestr0m> at least the couple I pasted above
[02:05:17] <codestr0m> others can be somewhat guessed
[02:05:19] <codestr0m> I looked at the fbe man page and couldn't find it.. would you know how to get the preprocessed output from as/fbe..  as -P -D_ASM -m64 /var/tmp/portage/sys-libs/libc-1/work/onnv-gate/usr/src/common/atomic/amd64/atomic.s -o pics/atomic.o
[02:05:23] <codestr0m> I'm getting duplicate defines and need to trace it back
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[02:05:39] <codestr0m> if it was cc I could just -E it or keeptmp, but that's not an option that I can see
[02:05:54] <codestr0m> e^ipi:
[02:06:29] <sickness> http://vesamo.fi/sekalaista/tuhkaluukku.jpg
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[02:06:58] <sickness> http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1725/nineinchfailsur6.jpg
[02:07:20] <e^ipi> codestr0m: it's easier to replace the call than to reverse engineer the function sometimes
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[02:08:25] <e^ipi> assuming it's not a public function ( does it have a man page ) it should be okay to do that
[02:09:07] <codestr0m> e^ipi: k.. well. the ON build I can handle now..  however, I'm still quite unfamiliar with code specifics.. also about the as/fbe question.. any suggestions?
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[03:14:55] <Ouro> i truss'ed my cvs process that is running out of memory... it is trying to mmap a < 512 MB file, so it is mmap64()'ing a lot of 4K pages and eventually getting ENOMEM
[03:15:17] <Ouro> but i do not understand why it gets ENOMEM, since i have more physical memory available than that
[03:15:25] <codestr0m> I'm not sure if this is my env or what.. , but I'm building ON with SSX and certain parts seem to be giving unexpected results..  such as http://rafb.net/p/4QsjlP34.html
[03:16:03] <Ouro> any suggestions for further debugging strategies/workarounds?
[03:16:03] <codestr0m> Ouro: I'm about to go to bed, but try using the 64bit version (sorry if that's completely wrong)
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[03:19:59] <Ouro> 64-bit version of cvs? not sure if that exists or will help
[03:20:36] <codestr0m> oh. I was referring to truss
[03:20:46] <codestr0m> ignore me. I'm too tired to be useful
[03:21:22] <Ouro> well i have no idea how to deal with it, so any information helps
[03:21:41] <codestr0m> if 64bit version doesn't exist.. build it.. -m64 is the cflags/ldflag you'll need
[03:22:15] <Ouro> i suppose i could try that, but i dont think i am hitting the 32-bit memory space limit here, so at best it would help in a coincidental way
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[03:24:23] <techqber1> I'm updating osol97.  I just pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg.  Is it safe to pkg image-update?
[03:25:03] <c00p> man how do I tell which disc to install opensolaris on to for an x4500 ... :( I ran format - but how do I tell wats (as the bios labels it) 06C0S00 and/or 06C4S01 ...
[03:25:07] <codestr0m> techqber1: probably not
[03:25:16] <codestr0m> and I don't mean that with sarcasm
[03:25:23] <techqber1> codestr0m: ahh.  why do you say that?
[03:25:36] <codestr0m> techqber1: general observation based on complaints around here
[03:25:43] <codestr0m> seems a lot more than normal
[03:25:53] <c00p> techqber1: I have used pkg to go from original 2008.05 to current 101 build ...
[03:25:58] <codestr0m> I'd let the dust settle for a week or so unless you're trying to resolve a specific issue or security fix
[03:26:26] <techqber1> Maybe I should wait another two weeks or w.e.  When does the next one drop?
[03:26:56] <techqber1> c00p: You heeded the advice in the release notes I presume?  Then after that updating SUNWipkg and then image-update works huh?
[03:27:22] <techqber1> The advice in release notes helps getting around the GRUB issue from 200805
[03:27:46] <c00p> yup
[03:27:55] <c00p> manually running the installer on the new be if I remember correctly
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[03:28:58] <techqber1> c00p: codestr0m has scared me a way this week.  i've updated SUNWipkg but I might leave it til the next iteration.
[03:29:37] <codestr0m> techqber1: I'm not trying to spread FUD.. just be cautious.. I've been testing on my 2nd laptop and normally keep it on the edge, but not this time
[03:30:18] <c00p> can usually roll bakc to your old be ...
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[03:33:55] <rv-> u can always create a backup be with beadm if u're not sure it's gonna work (or rollback, like c00p said)
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[03:34:32] * c00p actually installs opensolaris on to the boot device this time :)
[03:38:32] <techqber1> This is true.  Isn't it the case that pkg-image update creates the new BE automatically and one can just roll back at GRUB?
[03:38:35] <danboid>  I just tried installing os811-rc1b with no joy. First it wanted to install to my Linux swap drive so I changed its partition type to FAT16 (the swap). Then it installed but after a reboot all I got was grub prompt blinking at me. Co-existing with Linux obviously wasn't on the TODO for 0811 then eh?
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[03:39:41] <e^ipi> danboid: no, the grub thing is a bug
[03:39:55] <e^ipi> hence why it's -rc and not a release
[03:39:57] <danboid> Now that I've restored my grub, is there any way I canm boot into my solaris partition or have I just got to wipe my drive, install OS first then Linux after?
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[03:41:18] <e^ipi> the livecd does double-duty as a rescue CD
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[03:42:30] <Ouro> is it possible to limit ZFS RAM usage?
[03:42:34] <danboid> e^ipi: So if I boot off the livecd, what command will I use to just install solaris grub?
[03:42:49] <e^ipi> i don't remember the syntax, google it
[03:42:53] <e^ipi> installgrub i think
[03:42:54] <danboid> grub-install?
[03:43:31] <rv-> ouro> yes, there's a tunable for arc
[03:43:58] <Ouro> ok, perhaps that will help my problem
[03:44:08] <rv-> ouro> google for zfs arc tunable, u can do it on the fly with mdb and/or add it to /etc/system
[03:44:37] <danboid> e^ipi: The Linux name for my solaris drive would be sda3, care to translate?
[03:45:20] <codestr0m> dude.. using SSX to compile amd64 libc in ON == evil..
[03:45:24] <e^ipi> danboid:  c = controller, d = disk
[03:45:27] <Ouro> danboid: iostatn -En
[03:45:29] <Ouro> danboid: iostat -En
[03:45:42] <e^ipi> codestr0m: read the developer guide
[03:45:57] <Ouro> rv-: ah yes, the evil tuning guide... thanks, i will try that later
[03:45:59] <e^ipi> nightly takes care of all that, and you need to be using the correct compiler and build suite
[03:46:16] <codestr0m> e^ipi: you're kidding.. I'm doing experimental stuff. it's not like I'm just trying to build libc in this case
[03:46:23] <e^ipi> so what?
[03:46:27] <e^ipi> you use bldenv and make
[03:46:35] <codestr0m> so I'm hitting asm errors
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[03:46:55] <danboid> Ouro: That will list my drives will it?
[03:47:05] <e^ipi> you breaking things doesn't mean the build process changes
[03:47:43] <codestr0m> e^ipi: ok. then does this work for you? /usr/bin/as -m64 -P -D_ASM -Damd64 -D__amd64 -DTHREAD_DEBUG -I. -I./inc -I../inc -DTEXT_DOMAIN=\"SUNW_OST_OSLIB\" -D_TS_ERRNO -P gen/cache.s -o pics/cache.o
[03:47:49] <e^ipi> no, why would it?
[03:47:56] <e^ipi> make is smart
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[03:48:09] <codestr0m> gen/cache.s is in ON btw.. it's not local
[03:48:09] <e^ipi> bldenv , then make
[03:48:19] <e^ipi> and?
[03:48:37] <codestr0m> have you built ON with SSX before?
[03:49:18] <e^ipi> it doesn't matter if you're building it with a homebrew compiler... there is one build process and if you diverge from it the results are unexpected
[03:49:36] <e^ipi> use bldenv to set up your environment
[03:49:40] <e^ipi> and then use make to build it
[03:49:45] <codestr0m> e^ipi: you're dodging the question. SS12 isn't the same as SSX
[03:49:54] <codestr0m> and bldevn just sets env settings for the makefiles
[03:50:00] <e^ipi> yes
[03:50:05] <e^ipi> and then make builds things correctly
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[03:50:08] <codestr0m> I'm fully aware of those and could probably rewrite makefile.master by memory
[03:50:36] <codestr0m> anyway. these are specific cases which you are just ignorant about and shouldn't comment..
[03:51:03] <codestr0m> thanks for your help earlier.. I'm back to /ignore you
[03:52:01] <e^ipi> whatever, you might actually be able to be productive if you didn't try to replace everything all at once
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[03:58:50] <CIA-59> Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at Sun dot COM>: 6770355 update pci.ids/usb.ids to current versions
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[04:19:13] <spiff> my snv_99 zones wont boot in snv_100a... "no active dataset"
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[04:27:55] <spackest1> is there a release date for the 2008.11 release?
[04:30:33] <e^ipi> at 23:59 on the 30th
[04:30:37] <e^ipi> if it comes early, yipee
[04:31:05] <spackest1> think I am gonna throw a little caution to the wind and stick it on some servers
[04:31:27] <e^ipi> your funeral *shrug*
[04:31:33] <spackest1> I am betting apache, perl, mysql and the like are rather well tested
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[04:32:13] <eviljames> spackest1: I'm making the same gamble and doing pkg image-update right now.
[04:32:41] <e^ipi> spackest1: i'm not sure that anyone's tested them
[04:32:57] <e^ipi> not in indiana anyways
[04:33:13] <e^ipi> i doubt that much would've changed, but you never know *shrug*
[04:34:10] <bits45> eviljames:  Are you doing an update on OpenSolaris?  Which release?  How's it working so far for you?
[04:34:59] <eviljames> bits45: so far I'm at about file 50000 / 67352 of the update phase from 2008.05 to 101a i believe.
[04:35:27] <spackest1> the image-update is a big reason I would like to try it out
[04:35:47] <spackest1> eviljames: thanks for letting me know I am not the only person willing to give it a shot
[04:35:49] <bits45> Oh, okay.  I'm now on 101a, clean install though.  I was just curious how well it works.  guess we'll see.
[04:35:57] <eviljames> I just rolled back to the @install snapshot, updated SUNWipkg and ran pkg image-update
[04:36:07] <spackest1> anytime I mention it in here I get told what an idiot I am
[04:36:17] <bits45> lol
[04:36:35] <e^ipi> not an idiot, just a lot less cautious than some of us
[04:36:40] <bits45> Not an idiot if you have done a snapshot in a xVM first.
[04:36:50] <e^ipi> ultimately it's your job, and you have to answer for it when things break
[04:36:51] <eviljames> yeah, I'm willing to delve into uncharted territory
[04:36:59] <eviljames> ubuntu is more unstable than opensolaris fwiw.
[04:37:04] <e^ipi> personally, my data's too important
[04:37:08] <bits45> as long as there's an UNDO button right?
[04:37:25] <spackest1> well, I switched from ubuntu a couple years ago to opensolaris :)
[04:37:28] <bits45> e^ipi, what version you running?
[04:37:52] <e^ipi> 98 on my fileserver
[04:37:54] <e^ipi> 102 on my workstation
[04:37:58] <eviljames> I set up a sandbox machine, it can be nuked from orbit anytime and won't matter.
[04:38:07] <spackest1> this is for some rather low volume side project stuff
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[04:38:19] <bits45> is 102 uber bleeding edge?
[04:38:19] <spackest1> sorry, I mean, low traffic for now :)
[04:38:43] <eviljames> I suffered from http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6753758 and have been waiting to try image-update to 101
[04:39:00] <e^ipi> bits45: i guess...
[04:39:15] <e^ipi> it's still SXCE though
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[04:39:34] <bits45> I do Solaris 9 & 10 all day at work, so typically I don't play hard with it at home, but I must say I've found myself on OS101a more hours than ever... at home.  But I'm on xVM on a Mac.
[04:39:36] <johnfg> HI guys.
[04:40:22] <e^ipi> I probably should be running indiana on my workstation, but i just really would rather not deal with IPS on it
[04:40:23] <johnfg> simple question, I hope.  I booted the console from the latest release candidate, to try and get grub working.  But, it's asking for a username and password.  What are they?
[04:40:29] <bits45> It's certainly going in the right direction I think.  A direction for what I'm not sure really.  But stable and clean, that's nice to see.
[04:40:56] <bits45> Live CD?
[04:41:02] <johnfg> bits45, yes.
[04:41:12] <bits45> jack and jack.  right?
[04:41:25] <johnfg> quien sabe?
[04:41:29] <bits45> jack is the default user for the live CD
[04:41:30] <johnfg> Is that right?
[04:41:33] <e^ipi> yeah, root password's 'opensolaris'
[04:41:43] <bits45> that's right on the root pw
[04:42:00] <johnfg> OK, I think I'll go try it.
[04:42:06] <bits45> cool
[04:42:09] <bits45> good luck
[04:42:17] <johnfg> bits45, Have you done any dual booting with opensolaris?
[04:42:27] <johnfg> Actually, from a usb drive?
[04:42:28] <bits45> not too much.
[04:42:57] <bits45> just put it on a thumb stick, 8GB and using Sun's VirtualBox now on iMac 20"
[04:43:14] <e^ipi> it'll install natively, you just have to trick it in to doing it
[04:43:19] <johnfg> It installed fine, after booting the livecd, then choosing the install.  But all I get when I try to boot it is a grub shell.
[04:43:36] <e^ipi> my macbook dual boots it to some degree
[04:43:53] <johnfg> e^ipi, Tell me the trick, please.
[04:43:59] <e^ipi> 1 sec
[04:44:01] <bits45> I HIGHLY recommend VirtualBox to see how things work and see if it's what you're looking for.  Oh, the you just gotta love snapshots, in case you yak something up.
[04:44:17] <spiff> my snv_99 zones wont boot in snv_100a... "no active dataset" any ideas?
[04:44:21] <e^ipi> my blog http://i18n-freedom.blogspot.com/2008/11/opensolaris-on-macbook.html
[04:44:37] <bits45> I didn't have good luck with live CD with iMac, but I have not tried 2008.11 yet.
[04:44:44] <bits45> only on 2008.05
[04:45:08] <e^ipi> .11 should work better
[04:45:19] <bits45> oh cool, WILL TRY
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[04:45:41] <bits45> I could use 4GB of RAM on the old iMac however.  But 2 will do
[04:45:41] <e^ipi> spiff: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3023
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[04:47:06] <johnfg> You're talking about getting to the running of the livecd in the vm, then doing the install there, right?
[04:47:39] <e^ipi> pardon?
[04:47:41] <johnfg> Because even running the livecd, I like the look of things and want to try it installed.
[04:47:59] <bits45> Well, yes.  Boot / open the iso image via VirtualBox, then boot, then install.  yes.
[04:48:07] <johnfg> e^ipi, You know, there's an option on the livecd to install opensolaris?
[04:48:23] <johnfg> bits45, Right, that's what I thought.
[04:48:31] <e^ipi> johnfg: i'm well aware of that, yeah
[04:48:33] <bits45> I've don't it on a memory stick and an external USB disk
[04:48:58] <johnfg> bits45, Did you do anything special to get it to boot on the external USB disk?
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[04:49:04] <bits45> worked flawlessly
[04:49:10] <bits45> NOPE
[04:49:29] <bits45> OH, it was on my Dell XPS laptop though, not mac
[04:49:32] <bits45> sorry
[04:49:43] <e^ipi> the mac is trixie
[04:49:48] <johnfg> so, you just booted the iso, installed, then booted from the usb external?
[04:49:51] <e^ipi> rEFIt is required
[04:49:52] <bits45> the live cd saw the stick right off the bat though
[04:49:55] <johnfg> Don't worry, I'm not running a mac.
[04:50:06] <e^ipi> as is setting up your partitions before installing
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[04:50:13] <jklyekai> hello ,I dowload 2 release 99 and 101a  . When I install well. its default time is 1986-12-28 ? Is it a bug ?
[04:50:35] <bits45> yes johfg, but remember to umount CD image or arrow down 3 to the boot option of "boot off hard drive"
[04:50:55] <bits45> after you installed OS
[04:51:32] <johnfg> OK, I'll get to work and be back to chat later.  Thanks for the help and ideas, guys.
[04:52:19] <bits45> that's thru me off the first time too inside VirtualBox.  It was still booted off of the iso image AFTER I had installed the OS, no bigger though.  Just reset the guest OS and reboot off hard disk within OpenSolaris.
[04:52:32] <bits45> cya john
[04:52:58] <bits45> hey herrl/jklekai.  LOL
[04:53:12] <bits45> don't know of that one (bug)
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[04:53:27] <bits45> I'm still a n00b to OS 2008.xx
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[04:58:47] <CIA-59> Xiao Raymond Li <Xiao.L at Sun dot COM>: 6748187 when fm-scsi-log==0, sd still spews
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[05:00:45] <c00p> with an x86 box - how do I tell which two hard discs can be booted from ... (using a x4500 here)
[05:01:04] <c00p> just wanting to mirror my root zpool - read blogs on how to do that properly
[05:14:43] <jbk> e^ipi: you there?
[05:17:08] <e^ipi> yo
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[05:17:48] <jbk> you're doing putbacks into ON now right?
[05:17:53] <jbk> for external contributors
[05:18:08] <johnfg> hey guys, I'm chatting from within the livecd of opensolaris.
[05:18:14] <e^ipi> sure am
[05:18:27] <bits45> great john, what do you think?
[05:18:46] <johnfg> I wasn't able to get the install on my usb to boot, yet.  Any suggestions while I'm running the livecd for me to fix the boot problem?
[05:18:51] <spackest1> any thoughts out there on ips v blastwave?
[05:19:06] <freetown> spackest1, ???
[05:19:14] <bits45> your system does support USB boot, right?
[05:19:20] <e^ipi> blastwave runs an IPS repo
[05:19:23] <freetown> spackest1, blastwave does have ips based repos for Indy
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[05:19:28] <e^ipi> so it kinna makes your question ill formed
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[05:20:05] <jbk> once i have an hg clone of ON w/ the changes in question, what things do i need to do to prepare things to make things go smoother?
[05:20:08] <johnfg> bits45: Yes, in the past, I've booted solaris 10, and various linuxes.
[05:20:16] <jklyekai> bits45 ,yes I installed os  and root login. I find the time is 1986-12-28 both in 99 and 101a
[05:20:22] <jbk> i've got a libdisasm rfe i'll be ready to get a sponsor for in a few days
[05:21:11] <bits45> johnfg:  I'm not sure, any errors or symptoms?
[05:21:13] <spackest1> yes, I am uninformed
[05:21:21] <e^ipi> jbk: if you want to make things easier, sccs keywords, copyright updates and cstyle checks
[05:21:25] <e^ipi> other than that *shrug*
[05:21:28] <bits45> jkl, that's interesting.  huh.
[05:21:30] <johnfg> Any way I can get to the usb from the livecd?  No, no symptoms.
[05:21:38] <e^ipi> send an email to request-sponsor and i'll pick it up
[05:21:57] <jbk> ok.. let me get my changes into a repo
[05:22:24] <spackest1> so ips I thought was like apt-get, kinda like blastwave, but I thought different
[05:22:26] <bits45> well, I will say yes, most likely, but I've just never done it,   YET
[05:22:48] <spackest1> so blastwave is really just an ips repository?
[05:22:49] <johnfg> I did use the console to run this command, installgrub /boot/grub/stage1 /boot/grub/stage2 /dev/rdsk/c3t0d0s0, and it seemed that it worked.
[05:23:12] <bits45> if you were to type format as root from the liveCD, would you see your ubs stick?
[05:23:17] <johnfg> But when I get to the grub, it goes to a grub shell instead of booting the system.
[05:23:32] <e^ipi> spackest1: it was a pkg-get thing for solaris, but now that IPS exists it's mostly just an ips repo
[05:23:40] <johnfg> It's a usb external hd, but yes, from format it's seen.
[05:24:12] <eviljames> that update went much smoother than expected.
[05:24:27] <e^ipi> you were expecting fire ?
[05:24:35] <spackest1> cool, thanks
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[05:24:52] <eviljames> last time I tried, the box was rendered unbootable under snv_98 or 99
[05:24:59] <bits45> johfg; would disk usage analyzer see it, under "Applications"?  OH, you see it.  okay then.
[05:25:17] <spackest1> I install many a package from blastwave to get things going on nevada, so it sounds like that part of indiana would be rather seemless for me to switch over
[05:25:52] <bits45> johnfg: the installation goes fine I guess right?  then on the first boot of the newly installed OS it doesn't boot?  Right?
[05:26:41] <bits45> :'(  uncertain johnfg.
[05:27:05] <spackest1> are there sun-run ips repos?
[05:27:36] <freetown> pkg.opensolaris.org
[05:27:50] <freetown> basically what Indy uses
[05:28:22] <spackest1> so why all the fud about indiana on a server?
[05:28:34] <spackest1> folks seem almost angry about it
[05:28:44] <e^ipi> freetown: i swear to god, you call it that just to drive me bonkers
[05:29:08] <e^ipi> spackest1: nah, it's just really, really new
[05:29:13] <e^ipi> and untested
[05:29:18] <e^ipi> so it's not really suited for that yet
[05:29:23] <spackest1> kind of the future though?  no?
[05:29:24] <freetown> e^ipi, :D
[05:29:30] * freetown wants another boot in the behind
[05:30:57] <freetown> spackest1, Indy^H^H^H^HIndiana has pitfalls....i've bitten on some but not colossal ones like some here have
[05:31:10] <johnfg> bits45: Yes, that's right.
[05:31:54] <freetown> spackest1, so yeah, quite a few here would object to Indiana as a server....i've been lucky and dodged a few by pure luck
[05:31:54] <bits45> sorry man!  if you have ANY message at all I'd ask Mr. Google.
[05:32:06] <spackest1> well, it's not like my nevada experience was smooth :)
[05:32:20] <spackest1> getting mod_perl to talk to mysql was non-trivial to say the least
[05:32:40] <spackest1> freetown: what type of server stuff are you doing?
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[05:33:44] <johnfg> where's a mount point, that I can use to mount /dev/rdsk/c3t0d0s0 from the livecd?
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[05:34:31] <bits45> are you able to make or see a /mnt or /a  ?
[05:34:36] <freetown> spackest1, well...i now have indiana doing file server work and recently got another box for a web/mail server
[05:35:17] <johnfg> Yeah, I've got /mnt/pkg, /mnt/fat0 and /mnt/misc.
[05:36:31] <bits45> if they're not mounted to anything see if something will mount.  or maybe you can create a new one.  Sorry, I don't have a LiveCD up and running so I'm flying blind.
[05:37:01] <johnfg> mount /dev/dsk/c3t0d0s0 /mnt/test
[05:37:01] <johnfg> mount: /dev/dsk/c3t0d0s0 is not this fstype
[05:38:04] <johnfg> I know I can't mount the raw device, so what would the proper device name be for what I want to mount?
[05:38:23] <bits45> wait, wouldn't that be a zpool?  Anyone?  For Johnfg's question?
[05:38:35] <bits45> type zpool import, what do you see?
[05:39:55] <johnfg> just a sec, and I'll paste it for ya.
[05:40:48] <bits45> johnfg?  are you running on a PC? what type/kind?
[05:40:49] <johnfg> http://fpaste.org/paste/151
[05:41:05] <johnfg> I'm running on an Asus Z9000.
[05:41:10] <bits45> hey neat, what's that paste thing?
[05:42:00] <johnfg> Aren't you familiar with paste?
[05:42:23] <bits45> so you could mount that now using the -f option.  but from there I'm not sure what to do.  AGain, I'm experieced up to Solaris 10, and this opensolaris stuff is quite different.
[05:42:50] <johnfg> Just go to whatever paste site you want, there's lots of them, paste what you want, then post it from there, and voila!
[05:42:55] <bits45> I'd like to know what you do to solve it myself.  keep me in the loop.  I'll try to be on every night or so.
[05:43:11] <bits45> cool. thnks
[05:43:22] <bits45> learn something never EVERY DAY.
[05:43:40] <bits45> too bad I forget twice as much.  =-O
[05:44:39] <jbk> actually i need to file one more bug and just do both of these at once..
[05:44:49] <johnfg> bits45: What's the number I use for zpool import -f?  It didn't like c3t0d0s0.
[05:45:11] <bits45> the pool name itself, rpool
[05:45:27] <bits45> zpool import -f rpool  (I think that's the order)
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[05:46:59] <bits45> well, I'll check in tomorrow.
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[05:47:02] <bits45> night all
[05:47:15] <johnfg> bits45: OK, I'm getting closer, thanks to you.  menu.lst doesn't have anything in it uncommented.
[05:47:40] <johnfg> What would be the right way for me to get the system to fix it?  installgrub, or grub-install?
[05:48:02] <johnfg> Or what should I put in it with an editor?
[05:48:20] <bits45> not sure.  I'll ask you later.
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[05:51:31] <c00p> w00t ... just wrote a script to mirror a zfs root pool to another disc :)
[05:51:46] <johnfg>  Anyone here know what entry would go in menu.lst for opensolaris?
[05:52:27] <johnfg> Or without grub, where is the boot script for opensolaris?
[05:53:25] <e^ipi> c00p: http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html ?
[05:54:19] <johnfg> e^ipi: So, what is supposed to be in menu.lst?
[05:54:34] <e^ipi> why did you wipe out menu.lst?
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[05:54:58] <johnfg> I didn't!  It's still here.  Want me to paste what I've got?
[05:55:03] <e^ipi> sure
[05:56:05] <johnfg> http://fpaste.org/paste/153
[05:56:21] <c00p> e^ipi: Yeh but I scripted it all - so all people have to do is now specify the two drive :)
[05:56:32] <e^ipi> a page full of comments isn't a menu.lst file ;)
[05:56:53] <johnfg> That's exactly what I thought.  Wonder why the install did it?
[05:57:00] <johnfg> I didn't do it, that's for sure.
[05:57:01] <e^ipi> oh, that's why... /boot/
[05:57:05] <c00p> but I did have to fdisk the drive to a 100% solaris2 partition for it to work :)
[05:57:06] <e^ipi> check /rpool/boot/grub
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[06:07:24] <johnfg> I'll post the /rpool/boot/grub too; it also looks kinda screwy.
[06:07:51] <e^ipi> well, it'll be different from what you're used to by virtue that it's a different OS
[06:07:57] <e^ipi> and a 3rd gen filesystem
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[06:08:31] <johnfg> here it is e^ipihttp://fpaste.org/paste/154
[06:09:45] <e^ipi> 404
[06:10:03] <e^ipi> nm, reloading a couple times worked
[06:10:24] <e^ipi> yeah, you're right... it's empty
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[06:11:39] <e^ipi> no, that should be right
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[06:12:35] <e^ipi> what's the problem again?
[06:12:41] <johnfg> So, do you think that maybe the bios isn't seeing it?
[06:12:50] <e^ipi> it just doesn't boot or something?
[06:13:06] <johnfg> The problem is, I get an empty grub shell, or just a grub shell, I guess.
[06:13:22] <johnfg> I did read that zfs is supposed to be bootable, right?
[06:13:40] <e^ipi> oh yeah
[06:13:41] <e^ipi> it is
[06:13:44] <e^ipi> but you ran in to a bug
[06:13:44] <e^ipi> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4755
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[06:14:18] <johnfg> e^ipi: I'm looking at the bug now.  BTW...thanks for being willing to help!
[06:14:21] <e^ipi> it'll be fixed by the time it's not -rc anymore
[06:15:09] <e^ipi> (hopefully...)
[06:16:21] <johnfg> e^ipi: So, do you think that the stable version has the same bug?
[06:16:28] <e^ipi> likely not
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[06:16:47] <johnfg> I guess I'll go get it and give it a try.
[06:16:53] <e^ipi> or just wait a week
[06:17:27] <e^ipi> i don't know what the -rc schedule is but that's one of those bugs that a bunch of sun people have been annoyed by, so it'll get fixed pretty quick
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[06:19:08] <johnfg> Can you think of a way for me to boot into the installed opensolaris from the livecd?
[06:19:09] <edgy> Hi, smpatch gives me Exception in thread "Thread-13" java.lang.ArithmeticException: / by zero at com.sun.patchpro.plugins.sunos.pkg.............
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[06:19:38] <e^ipi> johnfg: well you can zpool import to mount it
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[06:19:49] <e^ipi> as for using the livecd to boot... not really
[06:19:54] <johnfg> That I did, and I see it now.
[06:20:02] <e^ipi> you can use the livecd to fix grub though
[06:20:36] <johnfg> Should I put what's in the /rpool/boot/grub in the /boot/grub?
[06:20:45] <e^ipi> nah, /boot/grub is ignored
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[06:21:07] <johnfg> so, what's the fix, bro?
[06:22:04] <e^ipi> nfi
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[06:22:18] <e^ipi> if there's a workaround that bug report will have it
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[06:22:49] <e^ipi> comay would know too, if you happen to stumble across him
[06:22:59] <e^ipi> he's pretty busy though so he only pops in for a few mins at a time
[06:24:58] <e^ipi> this one: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4760
[06:25:09] <e^ipi> implies that an import -f might fix it
[06:26:40] <edgy> can anny one just point me to where I can look. I googled but couldn't find any thing useful
[06:27:36] <e^ipi> edgy: smpatch is not an opensolaris function
[06:27:57] <edgy> e^ipi: ah! I am using solaris sorry for that
[06:28:30] <edgy> e^ipi: when is 2008.11 expected?
[06:28:49] <e^ipi> edgy: 59 seconds in to 23:59 on the 30th of november
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[06:31:30] <edgy> e^ipi: ah! ok thanks
[06:31:58] <e^ipi> the absolute last second before it can no longer be called 2008.11
[06:32:03] <e^ipi> if it comes earlier.. neat
[06:32:18] <e^ipi> but while it's still november, just chill out
[06:32:36] <edgy> e^ipi: I will
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[06:35:08] <FloridaB2D> wierd I seem to be getting time outs on streaming video
[06:45:58] <jbk> hmm anyone have quick access to a sparc box running nevada that can test something real quick?
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[06:51:41] <abisen> is the zfs sharesmb dependent upon Samba being installed and configured or is it seperate from Samba ?
[06:52:07] <jbk> it is separate from samba
[06:53:36] <abisen> jbk, is there a way by which i can increase the verbosity of logging in OpenSolaris in general as I am unable to debug the issues as either i am looking in wrong places of opensolaris is not loggin many informational logs by default
[06:53:59] <abisen> root@box:~# zfs set sharesmb=on tank/Test
[06:54:05] <abisen> cannot share 'tank/Test': smb add share failed
[06:54:26] <abisen> now where should i be looking on what the problem might be as /var/adm/messages does not show anything
[06:54:40] <jbk> is the smb server running?
[06:55:04] <abisen> jbk, nopes
[06:56:14] <jbk> that could be a problem
[06:56:30] <jbk> have you done 'svcadm enable smb/server' ?
[06:57:00] <abisen> but you just said that it's independent of Samba ..
[06:57:04] <abisen> or is it not ?
[06:57:07] <e^ipi> smb server isn't samba
[06:57:19] <abisen> e^ipi, aaah
[06:57:19] <e^ipi> smb is a protocol
[06:57:25] <e^ipi> samba is one implementation of it
[06:57:32] <e^ipi> our in-kernel cifs stuff is another
[06:58:05] <abisen> e^ipi, about smb i knew but thought smb in solaris is just samba..
[06:58:09] <e^ipi> nope
[06:58:52] <jbk> you can use samba if you like, but then you don't get all the nifty integration into everything, and probably less performance (though I haven't seen any tests)
[06:59:08] <jbk> but it's probably similar to userland nfsd vs kernel nfsd
[06:59:45] <abisen> so i should be installing smbs and smbskr or just one of the two
[07:00:06] <abisen> are there two implementations in Solaris too (in kernel and in userland)
[07:00:08] <jbk> are you using opensolaris or sxce?
[07:00:12] <abisen> opensolaris
[07:01:27] <abisen> and is there a way to have verbose logging in /var/adm/messages so that i kind of get's hints on where to look for issues ... as it seems solaris is only looging during ERROR conditions
[07:01:38] <jbk> pkg search -r /usr/lib/smbsrv/smbd
[07:02:05] <jbk> that should give you the correct package to install
[07:02:15] <abisen> smbs ... so it's the non kernel one
[07:02:20] <jbk> then svcadm enable smb/server
[07:02:43] <jbk> no that is, there are userland pieces
[07:02:54] <abisen> ok
[07:03:21] <abisen> jbk, and any advice on the logging on solaris issue ?
[07:03:55] <jbk> well that's just a zfs issue -- if it can't set the share because the cifs server isn't running, it probably should say that instead of 'error'
[07:07:00] <abisen> jbk, but i am getting these small messages in many places that does not provides much information so that I can look for a solution
[07:07:36] <abisen> like now when i enable smb/server it errors out... when i check the svcs -xv smb/server (and log) it just says smbd: NetBIOS services started
[07:07:36] <abisen> smbd: kernel bind error: No such file or directory
[07:07:36] <abisen> smbd: daemon initialization failed
[07:07:36] <abisen> [ Nov 11 22:06:50 Method "start" exited with status 95. ]
[07:08:11] <jbk> there's probably configuration that needs to be done
[07:08:31] <abisen> if only it would provide some info on which directory it's looking for i could do some debugging without having prior knowledge on the subsystem
[07:08:53] <jbk> try looking at the info on configuring the cifs server in the sysadmin guide
[07:09:21] <abisen> jbk, sure-i'll check that out .
[07:09:41] <jbk> i've not done it, so i can't comment, but iirc it's just a few steps
[07:09:53] <jbk> and that'll probably take care of it
[07:13:03] <jbk> i think it'd probably be worth sending a message to zfs-discuss about a better error message for that
[07:13:19] <jbk> i think that'd be reasonable
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[07:16:21] <abisen> i can't find much info on configuring smb as even on google every smb keyword search produces ton's of info on Samba
[07:16:38] <jbk> look at the topic :)
[07:16:42] <qiyong> are there some wi-fi chipset with open specifications?
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[07:17:35] <abisen> tkx..
[07:17:41] <jbk> hmm though that takes you to solaris 10
[07:18:27] <jbk> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-2429 might be a bit more useful
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[07:20:03] <jbk> now i'm going to bed :)
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[07:22:38] <TomJ> Anyone know the solution for the SSH can't-forward-X bug in a zone?
[07:22:50] <TomJ> in a global I can do: ifconfig lo0 inet6 plumb up
[07:22:54] <TomJ> but that won't work in a shared IP zone
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[07:28:32] <oupimiquo> Quick question - are AMD64 kernel drivers allowed to use SSE?
[07:28:52] <oupimiquo> (for both OpenSolaris and Solaris 10)
[07:29:26] <freetown> allowed?
[07:29:44] <freetown> who forbids?
[07:29:53] <gdamore> ABI.
[07:29:58] <oupimiquo> If I do a "file" on my modified OpenSolaris driver I get "ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable AMD64 Version 1 [SSE CMOV]"
[07:30:03] <gdamore> The problem is registers getting saved....
[07:30:05] <freetown> seriously?
[07:30:24] <gdamore> I think SSE might be dangerous in the kernel....
[07:30:26] <oupimiquo> That's what I thought, gdamore
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[07:30:44] <oupimiquo> Just curious why I'm getting ELFs tagged with SSE from the OpenSolaris build system
[07:31:20] <oupimiquo> The "standard" drivers just show "ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable AMD64 Version 1"
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[07:33:38] <gdamore> default flags missing?  you need extra defines to build kernel software.
[07:33:46] <gdamore> OpenSolaris 2008.11 can't host ON yet.
[07:33:53] <gdamore> (as a build machine, I mean.)
[07:35:12] <oupimiquo> I'm using a fairly ancient build, SXCE from sometime in 2007 ...
[07:35:30] <oupimiquo> Just trying to figure out the version now ...
[07:35:54] <oupimiquo> onnv_65
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[07:36:39] <oupimiquo> Doing the usual "bldenv opensolaris.sh", everything works fine (no errors)
[07:36:44] <oupimiquo> The 32-bit driver doesn'
[07:36:58] <oupimiquo> ... doesn't haveSSE or CMOV in the ELF header
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[07:37:41] <mui> beep
[07:37:47] <mui> are there any working blastwave mirrors around?
[07:38:02] <oupimiquo> I'm guessing that it's not actually using the SSE registers, just maybe other SSE things (prefetch, etc)
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[07:51:04] <oupimiquo> OK, figured out what was/is causing it - it appears to be related to varargs and in this case irrelevant ...
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[07:54:04] <oupimiquo> Right, complete explanation: I'm using a vararg-based logging function. In the AMD64 ABI, SSE registers can be used for passing parameters.
[07:54:21] <oupimiquo> For vararg functions, the number of SSE registers used is passed in the rax register.
[07:55:02] <oupimiquo> So, at the start of a vararg-handling function, there's some code that checks to see if rax is zero, and if not copies xmm0..xmm7 into memory on the stack.
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[07:55:39] <oupimiquo> In my case, no parameters are passed in SSE registers, so the code copying the registers into the stack never gets executed.
[07:56:24] <oupimiquo> So, if you're using vararg functions, you should be able to ignore [SSE CMOV] in the generated ELF files.
[07:58:35] <TiMiDo> hey i have a question is solaris GUI friendly?
[07:59:47] <TomJ> TiMiDo: what does that mean?
[08:00:03] <TiMiDo> that can auto partition and stuff like that and does it come with a packager manager?
[08:00:15] <TomJ> Solaris GUIs aren't very good
[08:00:23] <TomJ> as a general rule
[08:00:28] <TiMiDo> hmmm
[08:01:04] <jamesd> the best  gui is produced by crayola...
[08:01:06] <TomJ> yes it has a package manager, though you'll need OpenSolaris to get one similar to your likely understanding of that definition
[08:01:21] <TomJ> jamesd: sponsored by the letter A and the number 5?
[08:01:21] <TiMiDo> TomJ,?
[08:01:59] <jamesd> TomJ, acutally its  by the letter  G (for gnome) and the number 13 for bad luck.
[08:02:10] <TomJ> TiMiDo: if by package manager you mean "packagemanger install irssi" and then it goes away and downloads and installs that, and any required dependencies, then OpenSolaris has such a thing.  Solaris 10 and Solaris Express do not
[08:02:47] <TiMiDo> I'm downloading solaris 11
[08:02:49] <TiMiDo> open solaris
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[08:06:33] <photon_chac> anyone with experience on building gnome applications on opensolaris?
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[08:21:56] <galen> does anybody have a link to 2008-11 RC1 handy?
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[08:22:52] <CosmicDJ> galen: genunix.org
[08:22:57] <galen> bound it
[08:22:58] <galen> *found it
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[08:25:29] <TiMiDo> how do i installed gnome under solaris?
[08:25:53] <danboid> Stayed up late last night installing latest rc, but no luck yet. The installer said it completed successfully but when I reboot all I got was a vacant grub prompt so I just restored my Linux grub. However, I still have my Solaris slices in place so can I not boot off the livecd, mount the slices and get grub installed properly? I tried but I have no ZFS / slice mounting experience whatsoever.
[08:26:30] <danboid> mount works different in solais land I see
[08:27:53] <danboid> I know how to list my partitions (iostat -En) but I need the correct mount procedure / command(s) now
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[08:28:41] <danboid> I know how to use grub-install with linux so I presume that bit will be identical but using solaris device names right?
[08:29:17] <danboid> /dev/dsk/nthat
[08:30:31] <danboid> I came across this http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/zfsboot-manual/ but just how much of that would I need to do?
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[08:31:16] <danboid> Hi Ingvae!
[08:31:35] <danboid> any experience with solaris + grub?
[08:31:54] <Ingvae> What's the issue?
[08:32:15] <danboid> My sol install didn't seem to finish itself properly
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[08:32:36] <danboid> I installed it on same drive as a linux install
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[08:33:07] <danboid> so I want to know how to mount zfs slices off the livecd and then install grub if poss
[08:33:29] <danboid> I'm not sure about the whole mountinf of zfs slices
[08:33:54] <danboid> Is it just one command to do this, a grub-install then a reboot?
[08:34:10] <danboid> See I found this http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/zfsboot-manual/
[08:34:12] <Ingvae> I've never used ZFS on x86
[08:34:33] <danboid> Yes, its an x86-64 I've installed on
[08:35:07] <danboid> and I'm pretty sure latest OS RC will default to ZFS
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[08:36:12] <danboid> do I need to create a rootpool first?
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[08:42:34] <danboid> elnak: Do you know anything about grub and ZFS?
[08:43:15] <danboid> (er- hi too! ;)
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[08:47:56] <tynar> can someone explain me why I can't compile simple networking C application. I am trying to use only one function gethostname, but cannot compile it. Is there any special issue for header files?
[08:49:55] <photon_chac> compile error or link error?
[08:50:05] <photon_chac> what was the msg?
[08:51:25] <tynar> struct hostent *hp; gethostname(hn, 100); hp=gethostbyname(hn); here is the code
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[08:52:28] <photon_chac> tynar, what error msg was reported?
[08:52:31] <tynar> undefined first referenced, symbol in gethostbyname file
[08:53:44] <tynar> i have include <netdb.h>
[08:53:48] <photon_chac> tynar, according to man, you should include unistd.h
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[08:54:26] <asyd> \_o<
[08:55:14] <tynar> i have included it too
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[08:56:42] <loxs> folks, I am a Linux (Gentoo) person. I would like to try OpenSolaris (to see what is it all about)
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[08:56:54] <loxs> which distribution would you recommend me for the purpose?
[08:57:10] <asyd> server or desktop?
[08:58:00] <loxs> well, I suppose desktop
[08:58:05] <loxs> for now :)
[08:58:08] <freetown> indiana
[08:58:17] <asyd> so opensolaris (indiana) the one  you can get from opensolaris.com
[08:58:25] <freetown> aka 200805
[08:58:35] <freetown> 200811 coming out soon though
[08:58:50] <loxs> thanks folks
[08:58:53] <CIA-59> jv227347 <Jordan.Vaughan at Sun dot com>: 5073914 extend zonecfg physical interface name syntax checks (fix lint)
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[09:05:33] <photon_chac> tynar, you have to supply -lxnet to the compiler
[09:05:52] <photon_chac> tynar, which is made clear in the manual :P
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[09:05:59] <danboid> can you write to ext3 under OS?
[09:07:29] <danboid> before I go and totally wipe away my existing Linux install to install OS as first OS, can anyone helpme mount my ZFS slices?
[09:07:59] <danboid> (off the OS lived)
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[09:08:29] <tynar> photon_chac: I couldn't find it, can you point me
[09:09:54] <Auralis_> mount -F zfs /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s0 /mnt for example
[09:10:58] <photon_chac> tynar, find what? manual? i found it at docs.sun.com.
[09:11:28] <tynar> thank you i will look at there
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[09:16:15] <gobba> good morning
[09:16:31] <gobba> how do i monitor the temperature on my 200805 box?
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[09:17:36] <kr> hi... does anyone know how to "replace" / "rename" an USB device associated with a ZFS pool? :/
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[09:19:11] <TiMiDo> hey i have a question
[09:19:18] <TiMiDo> the live cd does it come with any. users?
[09:19:28] <TiMiDo> expecific?
[09:19:59] <kr> TiMiDo: it comes with a "default" user having all the permissions required to run and install OpenSolaris.. :)
[09:20:18] <TiMiDo> which user is it?
[09:21:07] <gobba> whoami
[09:21:21] <TiMiDo> ?
[09:21:26] <gobba> write in console
[09:21:28] <kr> TiMiDo: "jack" IIRC. :)
[09:21:53] <TiMiDo> ?
[09:21:56] <gobba> whatabout temp monitoring
[09:22:02] <gobba> user is jack
[09:23:15] <TiMiDo> is it?
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[09:25:00] <iMax> morning ... if I want to test the latest crossbow beta, do I have to install SXCE 101 and then apply the crossbow changes, or can I do the upgrade (from svn_79) to 101 + crossbow in one go?
[09:26:18] <moazamraja> anyone know if the DTrace toolkit still works on current Solaris/OpenSolaris stuff?
[09:26:28] <moazamraja> last I had used it, many of the scripts seemed broken
[09:27:06] <TiMiDo> how do you install gnome?
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[09:27:30] <xRaich[o]2x> TiMiDo: It's included in the default install of opensolaris
[09:29:11] <TiMiDo> xRaich[o]2x, ?
[09:29:24] <gobba> hehe
[09:29:30] <TiMiDo> but can you install open solaris?
[09:29:40] <TiMiDo> for example update and upgrades
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[09:29:45] <xRaich[o]2x> I'm running it right now
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[09:30:23] <xRaich[o]2x> yes you can </obama>
[09:30:35] <TiMiDo> xRaich[o]2x, how do you find out the username of the live cd?
[09:30:41] <DTEIT> morning
[09:30:54] <xRaich[o]2x> TiMiDo: You've already been told that it's "jack"
[09:30:57] <xRaich[o]2x> password is jack
[09:31:04] <xRaich[o]2x> superuserpassword is opensolaris
[09:31:25] <TiMiDo> the root password is not opensolaris
[09:32:41] <xRaich[o]2x> the last time i checked it was. you don't need it anyway. just put pfexec in front of a command you want to execute with root rights
[09:33:34] <TiMiDo> how do you install a package on open solaris?
[09:34:22] <e^ipi> with pkg(1)
[09:34:30] <TiMiDo> ok
[09:34:46] <TiMiDo> pkg_add -r irssi?
[09:34:50] <xRaich[o]2x> pkg install packagename or you the GUI i prefer command line. You should read it up on the opensolaris page
[09:35:00] <e^ipi> no...
[09:35:02] <e^ipi> just pkg
[09:35:05] <e^ipi> read the man page
[09:36:10] <TiMiDo> e^ipi, do you know the default username and password?
[09:36:20] <e^ipi> you've been told it half a dozen times already
[09:36:24] <e^ipi> it has'nt changed in the last 10 mins
[09:36:50] <TiMiDo> what's the root password?
[09:36:57] <e^ipi> same as last time you were told
[09:37:20] <TiMiDo> opensolaris?
[09:37:31] <e^ipi> yes
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[09:38:26] <e^ipi> stupid slashdot...
[09:38:28] <iMax> :)
[09:38:38] <xRaich[o]2x> good god...
[09:39:22] <gobba> how do i monitor the cpu/mb temperature?
[09:40:17] <e^ipi> gobba: write a thermal sensor driver
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[09:41:07] <e^ipi> and then use prtdiag -v
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[09:41:36] <e^ipi> or printpicl
[09:42:35] <trochej> Coffee
[09:42:36] <gobba> heh
[09:42:46] <gobba> so there is no drivers for it?
[09:42:49] <xRaich[o]2x> trochej: yes please
[09:42:52] <e^ipi> not on x86
[09:42:57] <e^ipi> sparc has a bunch of 'em
[09:43:08] <gobba> ah x64?
[09:43:13] <gobba> maybe same as x86
[09:43:24] <e^ipi> solaris doesn't make a distinction
[09:43:31] <gobba> ok
[09:43:38] <gobba> thnx
[09:44:09] <gobba> im having problem upgrading.. it freezes and i believe its the temp but wanted to monitor it
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[09:44:34] <e^ipi> freezes or reboots
[09:44:38] <gobba> freezes
[09:44:43] <gobba> in the upgrade stage
[09:45:01] <gobba> when its counting
[09:45:07] <e^ipi> i would blame disk more likely than cpu thermal
[09:45:15] <gobba> youthink?
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[09:45:19] <e^ipi> if it starts throwing errors things slow waaaay down
[09:45:31] <gobba> yeah
[09:45:37] <e^ipi> and considering you're seeing the problem when the CPU is mostly idle, but IO is through the roof
[09:45:37] <gobba> but i get no error
[09:45:49] <gobba> yeah thats prolly true
[09:46:05] <gobba> oh the freeze isnt actually a freeze come to think of it..
[09:46:14] <xRaich[o]2x> gobba: might i ask what disk controller you are using? I'm having a similar issue with an intel sata controller
[09:46:26] <gobba> its when i do something it freezes.. if i have a ssh shell in the background
[09:46:41] <e^ipi> and nv_sata is broken...
[09:46:45] <gobba> i can use it but as soon as i do something like ps it stops
[09:46:46] <e^ipi> found that one out the hard way...
[09:46:53] <xRaich[o]2x> ouch
[09:47:21] <gobba> some sata2 controller
[09:47:28] <gobba> in the MB
[09:47:55] <xRaich[o]2x> check with scanpci -v
[09:48:07] <gobba> dont have it
[09:48:12] <gobba> which package to install?
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[09:48:57] <asyd> gobba: try /usr/X11R6/bin/scanpci
[09:49:51] <gobba> ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [IDE mode]
[09:50:38] <gobba> im goin to use it as a file server but if the sata is broken....
[09:50:54] <e^ipi> it's probably fine... dmesg doesn't show any errors
[09:50:55] <e^ipi> ?
[09:51:19] <gobba> nope
[09:51:47] <e^ipi> tried running prstat in a different window?
[09:51:55] <gobba> nope
[09:51:58] <gobba> whats that?
[09:52:05] <e^ipi> like top but not stupid and broken
[09:52:11] <gobba> hhaha ah nice
[09:52:15] <gobba> really dont like top ;)
[09:53:14] <gobba> you meen running prstat when trying to update?
[09:53:28] <e^ipi> yeah, see what's running away
[09:53:39] <gobba> i put 2 extra fans in it this morning one of em actually blowing on the OS disk
[09:54:04] <gobba> but i havnt dared tried to update yet as im at work and the comp is at home in case it would die
[09:54:11] <e^ipi> i still don't think that it's heat
[09:54:24] <gobba> ah i thought you meant heat on the hd
[09:54:24] <xRaich[o]2x> sounds a lot like the ahci(?) issue I'm having... i might be barking up the wrong tree here
[09:54:30] <xRaich[o]2x> anyway. gotta run
[09:54:46] <gobba> hmm
[09:54:51] <e^ipi> it's not consistent with overheating components
[09:54:55] <e^ipi> how much ram does the machine have?
[09:55:00] <gobba> 8 gig
[09:55:17] <CosmicDJ> gobba: tried ipmitool?
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[09:55:36] <gobba> havnt tried anything since i dont really know solaris..
[09:55:40] <gobba> <-- linux convert
[09:55:50] <gobba> whats ipmitool?
[09:56:16] <e^ipi> not ram then
[09:56:21] <gobba> and how do i use it?
[09:56:25] <CosmicDJ> gobba: man impitool
[09:56:41] <CosmicDJ> it's also available on linux IIRC
[09:56:58] <gobba> ok never seen it
[09:57:01] <e^ipi> how are you upgrading, by the way?
[09:57:01] <e^ipi> liveupgrade, or ?
[09:57:17] <gobba> i made a new be
[09:57:19] <gobba> mounted it
[09:57:25] <gobba> and image-update into it
[09:58:20] <e^ipi> tried not doing the first couple steps?
[09:58:31] <e^ipi> ( image-update automatically creates a new snapshot )
[09:58:39] <e^ipi> *shrug* could be an IPS bug
[09:58:42] <gobba> yeah
[09:58:51] <gobba> i did that the first couple of times
[09:58:52] <CIA-59> <Mark.Phalan at Sun dot COM>: 6763503 Prompts for kadmin and ktutil use too much space
[09:58:53] <CIA-59> <Mark.Phalan at Sun dot COM>: 6756928 Kerberos incorrectly displays the error message "krb5 conf file not configured"
[09:58:54] <CIA-59> <Mark.Phalan at Sun dot COM>: 6756312 krb5int_pbkdf2_hmac_sha1() should not call C_DestroyObject() after C_GenerateKey() fails
[09:58:55] <CIA-59> <Mark.Phalan at Sun dot COM>: 6704459 assert defined in k5-thread.h produces number of false positives
[09:58:56] <CIA-59> <Mark.Phalan at Sun dot COM>: 6680327 kdb5_util/kdb5_ldap_util core dumps and prints incorrect progname on error paths
[09:58:59] <CIA-59> <Mark.Phalan at Sun dot COM>: 5047971 kadmin could use libtecla for enhanced command history and editing
[09:59:27] <e^ipi> i wonder if mark knows about 'hg reci'
[09:59:40] <gobba> ?
[10:00:15] <gobba> i have a diffrent pool for my other disks
[10:00:16] <e^ipi> gobba: those were a bunch of changesets for one push
[10:00:24] <gobba> ah ok
[10:00:37] <gobba> is there a way to update into the other pool?
[10:00:45] <e^ipi> reci/recommit merges them in to one changeset
[10:00:46] <gobba> putting the be in that pool
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[10:00:52] <e^ipi> umm... maybe?
[10:01:04] <gobba> if its the os disk i meen..
[10:01:14] <e^ipi> now you're edging out of territory i'm familiar with
[10:01:27] <gobba> hehe
[10:01:27] <e^ipi> someone more involved in pkg(5) would be able to give you a better answer
[10:01:39] <gobba> ok
[10:01:45] <gobba> any more ideas before doing that?
[10:02:25] <bda> Create a new BE. Mount it. Use -R. There's a relatively simple example for the grub-bug workaround from the initial 2008.5 release.
[10:02:29] <bda> iirc anyway. It's late.
[10:02:32] <bda> Early. Whatevs.
[10:03:08] <gobba> bda yeah i have done that
[10:03:12] <gobba> thats not the problem
[10:05:36] <bda> Right, but it shows you how to update into a specific BE.
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[10:06:14] <bda> I'd give you an example, but apparently someone turned off my osol box.
[10:06:18] <gobba> ah k
[10:06:24] <bda> Anyway. Bed. &
[10:09:08] <CosmicDJ> yeah just 140.000 hits?
[10:09:13] <CosmicDJ> ww
[10:10:59] <gobba> =)
[10:11:03] <gobba> thnx
[10:11:09] <CosmicDJ> looks like he'll stay in "manual override mode"
[10:11:14] <gobba> =9
[10:11:17] <CosmicDJ> damn I hate this
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[10:15:48] <gobba> easy as..
[10:16:01] <gobba> just beadm create -p theotherpool bename
[10:16:02] <gobba> =)
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[10:20:10] <gobba> and there it died
[10:20:28] <gobba> :/
[10:21:08] <e^ipi> you might want to file a bug on that
[10:21:11] <e^ipi> defect.opensolaris.org
[10:21:18] <e^ipi> because that's not normal
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[10:22:20] <gobba> :/
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[10:22:36] <gobba> its the community edition which is 101 right?
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[10:23:07] <gobba> ill just download and install that one
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[10:23:29] <e^ipi> yeah, or you can use the 2008.11 betas
[10:23:35] <e^ipi> or release candidates or whatever
[10:24:14] <gobba> well
[10:24:20] <gobba> im goin to use xvm and zfs
[10:24:27] <gobba> thats all i need
[10:24:28] <gobba> =)
[10:24:41] <e^ipi> oh, yeah
[10:24:45] <gobba> and if i use 200805 i need to upgrade
[10:24:48] <e^ipi> i use SXCE for that
[10:24:58] <gobba> allright
[10:25:15] <gobba> so i should have gone for that one from the beginning then =)
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[10:25:22] <Ordovican> I have a problem installing OpenSolaris on my HP laptop, I split my HDD in three partitions, I have Windows 7 on one, Windows Vista on the second, and I want opensolaris on the third. But in the installation, after the steps, it immediately pops up "Failed" and something wrong with the partition, what can I do? Format it to FAT32?
[10:26:15] <e^ipi> somehow change the partition number to 0xbf
[10:27:01] <e^ipi> ( use a gparted livecd )
[10:28:10] <Ordovican> I have a Live CD.
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[10:37:19] <trochej> Ordovican: You should be able to use fdisk and change partition type to 0xbf (Solaris2)
[10:41:16] <CosmicDJ> hm so suns new storage servers are running SXCE?
[10:42:06] <CosmicDJ> http://blogs.sun.com/eschrock/entry/how_much_work_was_it
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[10:44:07] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: not exactly
[10:44:27] <edgardc> hello! does anyone know how to make a connection to a specific ssid using wpa and dladm stick after reboots?
[10:44:29] <e^ipi> even that blog you linked to suggest it runs ON + some stuff
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[10:47:02] <crow> what is the default password for root on opensolaris?
[10:47:24] <seanmcg> opensolaris
[10:47:27] <seanmcg> or jack
[10:47:38] <crow> thanks
[10:48:37] <kimc_> on the Opensolaris source page it shows the 'version' as: ON (OS/Net) Consolidation - 20081110
[10:48:38] <e^ipi> you shouldn't need it though
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[10:48:41] <e^ipi> pfexec takes care of it
[10:49:05] <e^ipi> kimc_: that's current, yeah
[10:49:14] <crow> seanmcg: what else could it be?
[10:49:17] <e^ipi> you can go back to a specific build though
[10:49:23] <e^ipi> crow: try using pfexec
[10:49:23] <kimc_> is that what will become b103 ?
[10:49:29] <e^ipi> crow: like "pfexec blah"
[10:49:37] <TT> in the os repository is currently p7zip 5.55 but 5.58 is still available when will the repository updated? Or is there a bug with p7zip newest version?
[10:49:45] <e^ipi> "pfexec fdisk" or what have you
[10:49:46] <crow> e^ipi: what's pfexec?
[10:49:55] <e^ipi> part of RBAC
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[10:50:08] <e^ipi> lets you up your permissions to a role
[10:50:15] <e^ipi> kimc_: 104 actually
[10:50:19] <e^ipi> 103 is already closed
[10:50:45] <kimc_> ok great so if COMSAT was put back into b103 its there?
[10:50:46] <crow> oh well, e^ipi I'm not logged in there. and I can't log in, cause there is no user created, and we don't know the root password :s
[10:50:57] <e^ipi> crow: the user is jack, password jack
[10:51:24] <crow> k, I'll try
[10:51:25] <e^ipi> treat pfexec like sudo's bigger, smarter brother
[10:51:39] <edgardc> is there any way to make nwam use two interfaces at the same time? anyone knows?
[10:52:28] <e^ipi> it's easier to disable nwam
[10:52:36] <e^ipi> and do it the old fashioned way
[10:53:03] <edgardc> yeah, but I one of the interfaces is a wireless one and I can't find where to set the ssid to connect on reboot :/
[10:53:17] <e^ipi> erm... in the task bar there should be a clicky thing
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[10:54:06] <edgardc> i've configured manually with dladm sec-obj stuff, but even tho it's there, it always connect to a open network that is in range, not my specific one
[10:54:10] <e^ipi> that's the technical term
[10:54:19] <edgardc> hehe
[10:54:22] <crow> e^ipi: this guy have installed opensolaris and haven't created a user there while it. And jack thing doesn't work. so I need a root password since root is the only account there.
[10:54:53] <e^ipi> he installed it without setting up a user? I thought you were talking about while booted in to the livecd
[10:55:15] <crow> well sorry if I was unclear
[10:55:33] <e^ipi> no, if he didn't set up a user and can't remember the root password, there's no default backdoor
[10:55:40] <edgardc> try jack / jack or root / opensolaris
[10:55:49] <e^ipi> edgardc: not going to work, it's installed
[10:56:00] <edgardc> oh
[10:56:03] <edgardc> crap :D
[10:56:14] <crow> edgardc: neither work
[10:56:22] <e^ipi> boot the cd, change the password with chroot
[10:56:23] <crow> I guess I'll have to reinstall it
[10:56:29] <e^ipi> or that, whatever
[10:56:31] <e^ipi> my way's faster
[10:56:34] <crow> k, I'll try that
[10:57:12] <e^ipi> installing a machine without setting up any way of accessing it typically doesn't work
[10:57:21] <crow> :)
[10:57:25] <seanmcg> but root is a role, changing the passwd from the install cd won't work either.  you'll need to change root to be of type=normal user and the passwd, or add a user
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[10:57:37] <CosmicDJ> IIRC you have to create new user when installing 2008.xy
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[10:57:45] <e^ipi> seanmcg: no, but you can set up a user
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[10:58:44] <crow> brb
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[10:58:54] <seanmcg> e^ipi, aye, setting up a user from the install cd would work.  Your comment made me thing you said to change the root passwd
[10:58:56] <Ordovician> http://pastebin.com/maa075e0
[10:59:18] <e^ipi> Ordovician: installing on a mac?
[10:59:20] <edgardc> this wifi thing is gettin on my nerves :(
[11:00:02] <Ordovician> HP laptop.
[11:00:05] <Ordovician> Windows Vista.
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[11:00:12] <gobba> ipi thnx for the help
[11:00:21] <e^ipi> np
[11:00:35] <e^ipi> Ordovician: odd... anyways, http://i18n-freedom.blogspot.com/2008/11/opensolaris-on-macbook.html
[11:00:38] <e^ipi> step 6
[11:00:40] <e^ipi> just do that
[11:00:44] <e^ipi> same problem as macs have
[11:00:53] <e^ipi> ignore the rest of the post
[11:01:36] <Ordovician> Thank you.
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[11:04:35] <Ordovician> You have to do that in the terminal inside OpenSolaris?
[11:04:48] <e^ipi> yeah
[11:05:06] <Ordovician> Thanks!
[11:05:06] <Ordovician> :D
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[11:07:18] <edgardc> oh well, will just do a script for rc3.d then. damn wifi :D
[11:08:17] <e^ipi> yech
[11:08:20] <e^ipi> don't do that
[11:08:29] <e^ipi> just write an SMF service if you're going to do that
[11:08:45] <e^ipi> it's really easy
[11:09:06] <edgardc> haven't messed up with smf too much, any simple tutorial that doesn't have 300 lines of xml crap? :)
[11:09:32] <e^ipi> well, smf /is/ 300 lines of smf crap but there's a couple simple ones you can export and modify
[11:09:41] <e^ipi> erm, 300 lines of xml crap
[11:09:55] <edgardc> damn :D
[11:10:47] <e^ipi> here, the fetchmail one works
[11:10:49] <e^ipi> http://www.blastwave.org/smf/xml/fetchmail.xml
[11:10:59] <e^ipi> the exec-method stuff
[11:11:04] <edgardc> cool sounds good
[11:11:06] <e^ipi> ( and the names ) just change those
[11:11:14] <gobba> whats blaswave btw?
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[11:11:35] <e^ipi> blastwave's a package repo
[11:11:37] <CosmicDJ> gobba: never heard that b4
[11:11:42] <gobba> ;)
[11:11:54] <j_engelh> I'm looking for a tool on solaris that will display me the exact time of a file. Under GNU, I would have stat(1) and `ls --full-time` as options, but solaris?
[11:12:03] <gobba> whats the diffrence from standard repo?
[11:12:03] <CosmicDJ> btw what happend to easySMF?
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[11:12:30] <e^ipi> gobba: they've got more stuff but it's not held to the same standards as the regular stuff
[11:12:40] <gobba> ah ok
[11:13:21] <e^ipi> the regular repo is run/blessed by sun
[11:13:26] <e^ipi> blastwave is community contributed
[11:13:39] <e^ipi> read whatever you want in to that
[11:13:43] <CosmicDJ> j_engelh: did you check the ls manpage?
[11:15:13] <gobba>
[11:15:14] <gobba> p
[11:15:16] <gobba> =)
[11:15:21] <gobba> blastwave = linux ;)
[11:16:16] <edgardc> after creating the manifest I can just move to /var/svc/... or should I do anything in particular?
[11:16:20] <CosmicDJ> no blastwave = precompiled opensource software for solaris even long before sun started including stuff like gzip/zip2 etc.
[11:16:41] <j_engelh> CosmicDJ: ok ;-)
[11:16:47] <j_engelh> ls -E hm ...
[11:16:52] <j_engelh> kinda unportable.
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[11:17:13] <CosmicDJ> j_engelh: I could say the same about --long-time ;)
[11:18:11] <e^ipi> gnu ls doesn't support core solaris features
[11:18:17] <e^ipi> so it's not really so much useful
[11:18:52] <crow> I'm on the opensolaris live cd and rooted. I have opensolaris installed on that pc. Can anyone help me to chroot it?
[11:19:05] <CosmicDJ> s/long/full/
[11:19:32] <osladil> e^ipi: btw what does it exactly means, the ls core solaris features please?
[11:19:59] <e^ipi> osladil: zfs/nfsv4 ACL's and extended system attributes
[11:20:11] <osladil> e^ipi: oh true :-) thx
[11:20:12] <j_engelh> acls? getfacl is the answer :p
[11:20:15] <crow> e^ipi: can u help me to chroot it pls?
[11:20:19] <e^ipi> j_engelh: no, it's not.
[11:20:24] <j_engelh> IMHO yes
[11:20:26] <e^ipi> chmod & ls are
[11:20:33] <CosmicDJ> obsolete with nfs4acls
[11:20:39] <CosmicDJ> (set/getfacl)
[11:20:43] <e^ipi> your opinion isn't congruent with reality, nfs4 and zfs have different ACL's
[11:21:04] <e^ipi> get/setfacl don't work with them, so they're deprecated
[11:21:16] <TT> is there an comparision between zfs and btrfs?
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[11:21:32] <e^ipi> crow: import the pool, mount rpool/ROOT, and chmod like anywhere else
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[11:21:42] <e^ipi> TT: yes, one exists, and the other does not
[11:22:13] <TT> where can i read it?
[11:22:18] <TT> ah lol
[11:22:20] <TT> =P
[11:22:27] <e^ipi> *whoosh*
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[11:23:51] <crow> e^ipi: should I write "mount rpool/ROOT" or I should substitue rpool/ROOT with something else?
[11:24:07] <crow> and btw, how do I import the pool?
[11:24:17] <e^ipi> man zpool, man mount
[11:25:12] <CosmicDJ> btw are manpages included in 2008.11rc?
[11:25:21] <e^ipi> meh, if not they're in /topic
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[11:29:27] <gobba> oh btw.. will i be able to reinitialize the old pool ive created in 200805 after i reinstalled 101?
[11:29:42] <e^ipi> yeah, you just destroy the old pool
[11:29:51] <e^ipi> then you have a bunch of empty disks
[11:30:06] <gobba> but cant i just keep the old pool?
[11:30:15] <e^ipi> you can do that too if you want, i guess
[11:30:24] <e^ipi> dunno why though
[11:30:36] <gobba> why not ?
[11:30:37] <e^ipi> creating a zpool takes a couple fractions of a second
[11:30:42] <gobba> hehe yeah
[11:30:48] <gobba> but if its allready done =9
[11:30:48] <e^ipi> deleting all the data off a pool takes longer
[11:30:57] <gobba> its nothing on it
[11:31:06] <e^ipi> okay, then whatever
[11:31:10] <gobba> =)
[11:31:16] <gobba> another one..
[11:31:16] <e^ipi> just use the pool and start creating datasets on it
[11:31:18] <gobba> raidz
[11:31:35] <e^ipi> what about it?
[11:31:37] <gobba> can i add disks to the raid or do i have to make new raid when i want to expand
[11:31:51] <e^ipi> no real way to expand a raidz
[11:31:56] <gobba> ok
[11:32:00] <e^ipi> you can create another raidz and stripe the data across both
[11:32:09] <TomJ> except by replacing each disk in turn with a bigger disk until all are replaced
[11:32:12] <gobba> so either destroy and make a new or make a second
[11:32:22] <e^ipi> gobba: right, or stripe
[11:32:34] <gobba> cool
[11:32:50] <TomJ> if you add a second stripe to a fairly full first stripe, does ZFS make any attempt to distribute existing data?
[11:32:54] <gobba> i can replace the disks with diffrent kinds of disks?
[11:33:18] <gobba> if i have raidz with 3x500gig
[11:33:19] <e^ipi> yeah
[11:33:22] <TomJ> gobba: you can replace a disk with any disk that is the same size or larger.  or if you replce all disks (one by one) with larger ones, the pool grows in size once all are replaced
[11:33:32] <gobba> and i buy a 1tb disk.. just replace one of the 500gig disks with it?
[11:33:40] <e^ipi> yep, you can do that
[11:33:43] <gobba> cool
[11:33:54] <gobba> im starting to fall inlove with zfs
[11:34:02] <TomJ> you wont get any more space until all three are reaplced with 1TBs
[11:34:08] <gobba> ah ok
[11:34:23] <gobba> so it will use the smallest disk size?
[11:34:27] <TomJ> yes
[11:34:30] <gobba> cool
[11:34:34] <TomJ> otherwise some data would not be redundant
[11:34:41] <gobba> true
[11:34:56] <e^ipi> but once all the disks are bigger, the whole pool just magically grows
[11:35:02] <gobba> haha
[11:35:03] <gobba> =)
[11:35:25] <TomJ> never replace disk 2 until disk 1 has finished resilvering though
[11:35:34] <TomJ> (check zpool status -v to check all is ok before replacing any more disks)
[11:35:44] <gobba> ah ok
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[11:36:37] <gobba> how does raidz work btw does it use 1 third of each disk for parity data? in a setup with 3 disks that is
[11:36:42] <TomJ> yes
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[11:36:51] <TomJ> with three disks, each disk contains 1/3 parity and 2/3 data
[11:36:51] <gobba> cool
[11:36:57] <TomJ> with 5 disks, each disk contains 1/5 parity and 4/5 data
[11:36:58] <TomJ> etc
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[11:37:25] <gobba> yepp
[11:37:25] <TomJ> once you get to around 6 disks, you should strongly consider RAIDZ2
[11:37:31] <TomJ> which is two disks of parity data overall
[11:38:10] <TomJ> personally I have 14 data disks in my home porn server, and I have 2 x 7 disk RAIDZ2 for a total of 4 parity drives and 10 data drives
[11:38:38] <TomJ> so worst case I would be down after 3 disks dead,  but best case I could lose 4 disks and still be up
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[11:39:48] <gobba> nice
[11:40:38] <asyd> your p0rn is safe!
[11:41:13] <TomJ> that's all that really matters
[11:42:03] <TheK_> TomJ: unless you consider how much sex you could have had if you didn't pick a nerdy career in mounting disks and instead went dance school and mounted women...
[11:42:29] <gobba> nog?
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[11:42:50] <TomJ> if I went to dance school then, statistically, I suspect I'd be far more likely to mount men
[11:42:58] <TheK_> haha
[11:43:05] <TomJ> this is also what Unix tries to encourage
[11:43:06] <TomJ> man mount
[11:43:07] <TomJ> man touch
[11:43:10] <TomJ> man finger
[11:43:10] <TomJ> etc.
[11:43:34] <asyd> :)
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[11:58:53] <CIA-59> Vladimir Marek <Vladimir.Marek at Sun dot COM>: 6761296 syslogd crashes when extensive debugging is enabled
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[12:03:01] * codestr0m sarcastically wonders why there isn't a 64bit version of /usr/lib/libc/libc_hwcap1.so.1
[12:04:43] <e^ipi> because you already know the hardware capabilities of amd64 chips?
[12:06:21] <e^ipi> and more to the point, they use the same libc
[12:07:35] <oxygene> there are a few differences between amd64 and em64t. probably too small to warrant building another lib
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[12:11:37] <tynar> how can I get my local Ip address? I used gethostname. From gethostbyname I read hostent struct and took first Ip address from hostent->h_addr_list. But I am not sure this will always give me the local ip address, since there is a addr list. What do you think?
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[12:20:13] <quasi> tynar: ifconfig -a
[12:21:29] <tynar> quasi: I haven't look at source code yet
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[12:22:54] <quasi> tynar: I was thinking of the command
[12:23:59] <tynar> quasi: in shell it gives me all the interface data,
[12:25:52] <CosmicDJ> there could be more than one local ip address... think of aliases etc.
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[12:26:15] <dpecka> hi all
[12:26:21] <dpecka> can someone advice, which terminal should i choose :: http://www.pastebin.cz/11696 :: i've never solved terminal issue with not working functional keys (pg{up,down}) and sometimes broken colors .. i usually choose 13 or 14 and have linux box .. btw.. xterm setting in my Linux differs from settings of other teminal .. i don't care which i will use, but want to have correct terminal to solaris box from Linux box .. thanks much
[12:26:32] <dpecka> ps. when chose dtterm pg{up,down} works, but F1-F4 not as well as numpad .. when chose xterm pg{up,down}, del and maybe something more won't work
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[12:28:55] <codestr0m> file /lib/amd64/libc.so.1: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, not stripped, uses FPU AMD_SYSC CMOV SSE SSE2
[12:29:51] <morettoni> dpecka: you can read here: http://morettoni.blogspot.com/2008/08/tasti-home-e-end-in-opensolaris.html (italian post)
[12:30:15] <morettoni> dpecka: or here: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/solarisx86/message/20027
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[12:31:06] <sickness> morettoni: nice
[12:32:11] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2723/gdsgm?a=view
[12:33:19] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: k. looks like I may be able to safely not package it then
[12:33:27] <codestr0m> thanks
[12:33:35] <CosmicDJ> hm?
[12:33:36] <dpecka> morettoni: thanks that italian post is finally useless for me
[12:33:47] <codestr0m> you see the libc I pasted above ;)
[12:33:52] <CosmicDJ> IIRC you can't use solaris w/o libc_hwcap
[12:34:26] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: 64bit libc, and?
[12:34:40] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: I'll almost certainly remove it if it doesn't have any benefit on x86_64.. (maybe not soon, but still)
[12:34:49] <codestr0m> is  uses FPU AMD_SYSC CMOV SSE SSE2 normal?
[12:36:10] <morettoni> dpecka: dpecka follow the second link
[12:36:18] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: huh I wouldn't remove any libs unless you are absolutly sure what you're doing...
[12:36:58] <codestr0m> I'm not doing this arbitrarily
[12:37:15] <codestr0m> I'll of course make sure nothing links into it and test in a zone first
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[12:37:28] <codestr0m> it'll happen when I and another dev tear up the boot process
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[12:37:44] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: as you know, most binaries in /*bin are 32bit; so removing the libhwcap lib could render your system useless...
[12:38:26] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: yeah, but everything I have the source for is being converted over.. (and not for performance reasons)
[12:38:41] <CosmicDJ> converted over to what?
[12:38:57] <codestr0m> x86_64
[12:39:19] <codestr0m> and down the road I'm sure it'll help with things like aa64 or ia64 if that ever wants to happen
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[12:40:42] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: honestly, I think it's a Solaris Feature to be able to compile/run both 32 and 64bit apps/libs
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[12:41:09] <codestr0m> I'm not saying don't.. I just find that if you're going to do it. .it should be toolchain profile
[12:41:33] <codestr0m> and both can logically exist.. it's just right now.. most of sol is 32bit and it's really pissed me off in a few areas
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[12:42:33] <wew> hello may I ask some questions
[12:42:36] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: why? frankly, I have OpenBSD on an old Sun Fire and it really pissed *me* off that every damn binary/lib there is 64bit
[12:43:07] <wew> may I
[12:43:08] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: then recompile for x86 :P obsd should be able to do that pretty easily
[12:43:29] <codestr0m> wew: of course.. please just ask and try to be as specific as possible so someone can help you
[12:44:04] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: the sun fire is a 64bit sparc...
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[12:44:15] <wew> durin teh istalation of opensolaris i didn't write any username and password
[12:44:30] <CosmicDJ> opensolaris as in SXCE?
[12:44:43] <wew> after that when i sturt the solaris it was username and pass.
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[12:44:58] <wew> what is the default username and pass?
[12:45:02] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: sorry I don't know sparc hw at all.. and I'm not sure why/what trouble 64bit would cause you on obsd. since it's entirely open
[12:45:29] <codestr0m> other os's handle it with multi-lib
[12:45:39] <codestr0m> which is sane enough in most cases
[12:46:21] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: I don't have any trouble with it; I just think it's suboptimal; i.e. I don't need a 64bit /bin/ls; a 32bit should do just fine a consume less memory
[12:46:44] <CosmicDJ> s/ a / an /
[12:46:47] <CosmicDJ> +d
[12:46:56] <sickness> CosmicDJ: ls is small enough that you should not have any problems in a sun fire, it's not a tiny embedded system after all...
[12:47:09] <codestr0m> well. the argument goes both ways.. just as having a 64bit ls is pointless. .the amount of memory it consumes for .01+ seconds probably isn't going to matter
[12:47:24] <sickness> CosmicDJ: I think on older spard64 hardware openbsd sparc 32 bit should run, maybe you can try on that too, so you'll have a 32bit system...
[12:47:33] <CosmicDJ> it's not just ls; it's every lib/bin ; I don't need 4gb+ memory access nor do I do complex maths
[12:48:10] <codestr0m> (shrugs)
[12:48:11] <CosmicDJ> sickness: sure, what what do I do if I need, at one day, 4gb+ memory? ;)
[12:48:33] <xRaich[o]2x> wew: user jack password jack
[12:49:11] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: he said he installed it already.. (install != livecd ?)
[12:49:11] <zomboy> hi all, am looking to make a multimedia server to connect to my LG HDTV. is there a special project of opensolaris for home threatre type stuff?
[12:49:13] <sickness> it depends on how programs are made, it still annoys me *A LOT* not to be able to download the sxce iso images in 1 chunk with links or w3m under opensolaris because they crash with files greater than 2gb, for example... nothing related, but I think support for more is better than support for less, if your system is not an embedded system
[12:49:38] <codestr0m> sickness: I *fully* agree
[12:49:48] <sickness> CosmicDJ: you'll just install the 64bit version, at that time with more than 4gb memory ls should not be your problem anymore ;P
[12:50:14] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: ah just came home and only saw that one sentence
[12:50:24] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: sure.
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[12:51:11] <CosmicDJ> sickness: no thanks; if I had a choice I'd use smth like Solaris or (recently) NetBSD; which support both 32/64bit apps/libs w/o reinstalling anything
[12:51:14] <wew> I write username jack and password jack and says that is an invalid username
[12:51:16] <tsoome> 2g file support and 64bit kernel are 2 different things at all;)
[12:51:23] <CosmicDJ> you'll get the best of both worlds IMHO
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[12:51:35] <wew> anything else
[12:51:36] <CosmicDJ> wew: what solaris version are you using?
[12:51:49] <codestr0m> wew: reinstall and this time pay attention to what username/password.. or listen to CosmicDJ since he may know
[12:52:14] <wew> ok I will try it
[12:52:26] <CosmicDJ> huh well, not quite true; I have no plan of 2008.xy ;)
[12:52:51] <sickness> CosmicDJ: well I understand your assertion for solaris because you could have a lot of commercial 32bit closed source programs to run, but openbsd? I don't think there are any 32bit closed source apps for openbsd, so you could recompile pretty everything for openbsd sparc64 afaik
[12:54:29] * codestr0m ports sun libc to obsd and makes the sun cc run *jk*
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[12:54:43] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: could you port java as well? ;)
[12:55:04] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: you mean icedtea? sure
[12:55:23] <wereHamster> I uninstalled SUNWfirefox (pkg uninstall -vr). But when I open packagemanager it still shows some firefox localization packages as installed. How can I get rid of those as well? Or do I have to do that manually?
[12:55:29] <codestr0m> join #openjdk on oftc and ask there. it's probably been done
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[12:56:07] <CosmicDJ> sickness: hm what about /bin/ls; sun also has the source but it's still a 32bit app
[12:57:42] <sickness> CosmicDJ: I don't understand the problem with /bin/ls really =)
[12:58:14] <osladil> anybody already tried os200811rc1 please? i have linux installed as first and indiana as second. after reboot grub wasn't installed properly. any hint?
[12:58:21] <sickness> CosmicDJ: I could understand it with some big/important legacy app like accounting software cad software and so on, not with small unix untilities like that, they have to "just work" no matter what :P
[12:58:26] <CosmicDJ> sickness: why do you think sun ships this (and a lot of other binaries/libs) as 32bit versions?
[12:58:58] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: because they haven't taken the time to care?
[12:59:20] <Gekz> osladil: why would you use a release candidate if you have no idea how to fix something as simple as grub
[12:59:22] <CosmicDJ> oh I think they have; and some really smart ppl decided it's best this way
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[12:59:48] <osladil> Gekz: maybe to learn something new? hm?
[13:00:07] <Gekz> lol.
[13:00:14] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: that's why I have no idea why you're trying to compile your own everything 64bit ON
[13:00:32] <sickness> CosmicDJ: sun and specifically sun solaris / opensolaris have different project goals from openbsd, and vastly more programmers to work on them, I don't see any reason why precious developers time should be used to convert those binaries to 32bit on 64bit platforms in openbsd: http://www.openbsd.org/goals.html
[13:00:37] <sickness> :)
[13:00:38] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: because simply to compile a 64bit libhal wouldn't solve my root problem :P
[13:01:47] <CosmicDJ> sickness: next time I'll say linux instead of openbsd...
[13:02:20] <trygvis> that'll only get your kicked! ;)
[13:02:28] <sickness> CosmicDJ: well, I don't really understand linux technicall choices and I don't use it much so I don't want to start a flame about linux :P
[13:02:49] <sickness> CosmicDJ: but I use and like both solaris and openbsd so that was my 2c :)
[13:03:15] <sickness> off to work, see you later!
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[13:07:35] <CosmicDJ> sickness: netbsd had some bore programmers to work on that -> "providing multilib functionality (64bit platforms such as amd64 and
[13:07:38] <CosmicDJ> sparc64 can now compile and run 32bit binaries seamlessly)
[13:07:54] <CosmicDJ> +d
[13:08:36] * CosmicDJ just wonders if IRIX was also mixed 32/64 bit ; too bad I don't have ssh access anymore :(
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[13:18:28] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: what's your root roblem?
[13:19:14] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: the way things are built/packaged in osol (I don't unfortunately have much time to discuss it right now..)
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[13:22:17] <CosmicDJ> sickness: http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/faqs/64bit.xml
[13:22:27] <CosmicDJ> sickness: http://blog.thilelli.net/post/2007/09/13/64-bit-system-kernel-but-32-bit-binaries
[13:27:17] <codestr0m> 1) they assume people care about running 32bit binaries 2) it assumes people care about legacy apps.. other than that I see no real interesting points
[13:28:00] <kleppari> hm, a small wondering about privileges..  they're only applied when the process is launched from a profile-aware shell?
[13:28:07] <TomJ> 1) they do 2) they do
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[13:28:38] <codestr0m> TomJ: right.. they != world which is great when someone can freely exercise such choice :)
[13:28:45] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-5138/features-1?a=view
[13:29:19] <CosmicDJ> TomJ: hm and pfexec? that's not a sll ;)
[13:29:28] <CosmicDJ> +he
[13:29:36] <TomJ> ?
[13:29:40] <CosmicDJ> shell
[13:29:53] <TomJ> i know, but when were we (or at least, me) talking about shells?
[13:30:18] <codestr0m> file /usr/bin/amd64/ksh93
[13:30:30] <CosmicDJ> well you just said it's only possible to elevate rights with a profile shell
[13:31:24] <TomJ> no i didnt
[13:31:27] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m:  No such file ;)
[13:31:36] <TomJ> i think you have me confused with someone else
[13:31:53] <kleppari> I mentioned a shell
[13:32:03] <kleppari> I'm just wondering where and how the privileges are enforced
[13:32:13] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: no? why not! demand a refund (jk)
[13:32:52] <CosmicDJ> kleppari: IIRC that's covered in deep in the Solaris Internals book
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[13:34:04] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: solaris10 here... no lovely ksh93 nor ruby (etc.) installed
[13:34:14] <codestr0m> eek
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[13:35:24] <CosmicDJ> kleppari: http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/program_privileges.html could also be an interessting read...
[13:36:38] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: ksh93 compiles easily on Solaris 10 (and is highly recommended)
[13:37:32] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: add sudo to that list; IIRC it was integrated some time ago
[13:37:48] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: sudo? wrong person :P
[13:38:20] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: no I'm just making a list of software in SXCE but not in solaris10...
[13:38:22] <kleppari> CosmicDJ: thanks alot, I think this is exactly what I was looking for
[13:39:00] <CosmicDJ> TomJ: well sure, but 1. I don't know the root passwd and 2nd I don't know how to change my default login shell...
[13:39:21] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: without 1 you can't do 2.  you can still compile it and just run it manually though
[13:39:27] <TomJ> though I dont use ksh93 as my login shell, I just use it for scripts
[13:41:46] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: you could just use the rootkit that's out there to help you install it if you're *really* determined ;) (more needless teasing)
[13:42:30] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: yes, this is an old 6/06 release, I think I could have root access within minutes...
[13:42:47] <TomJ> seconds if telnet is enabled
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[13:42:54] <codestr0m> *cough*
[13:43:06] <codestr0m> nice policy!
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[13:43:25] <kleppari> does a process have to be privilege aware in order to restrict it's access?
[13:43:31] <CosmicDJ> online         Nov_09   svc:/network/telnet:default
[13:43:41] <TomJ> kleppari: no, the OS controls access permissions
[13:46:21] <kleppari> ok, that clarifies it a bit.  So the kernel doesn't check anymore if UID=0 of program foo when performing system call bar, but rather if process fo has the required privileges?
[13:46:45] <TomJ> correct. though how granular it is depends on the call
[13:46:53] <TomJ> there are some priviledges which once granted give you access to do a lot of things
[13:46:59] <TomJ> there are other priviledges that give access to one very specific thing
[13:47:05] <kleppari> yeah
[13:47:06] <TomJ> i dont know all the details
[13:47:16] <kleppari> so the implementation is(on a low level) similar to selinux?
[13:47:23] <TomJ> never used selinux
[13:48:00] <kleppari> ok :)
[13:48:03] <kleppari> thanks a lot :)
[13:48:15] <codestr0m> kleppari: no. selinux != rbac
[13:48:40] <codestr0m> kleppari: if you're familiar with rbac or grsecurity those are better comparisons to some degree
[13:49:15] <kleppari> codestr0m: I know that, i'm just wondering where it's enforced
[13:49:31] <kleppari> but anyway, I think I get it now :)
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[13:52:38] <TomJ> a very simple, but effective way to start using RBAC is to use it with SMF.  Many default SMF definitions have an associated authorisation which you can then grant to any user to allow that user to start/stop/restart that job
[13:52:47] <TomJ> or if you define your own services, you can very simply cfeate your own auth and grant it to someone
[13:52:55] <TomJ> thus allowing, for example, user bob to stop/start the dns/server without being root
[13:53:17] <kleppari> yeah, smf got me started..  I noticed bind runs by-default as root and went 'WTF?'
[13:53:33] <TomJ> it does a priviledge drop thing I believe
[13:53:40] <kleppari> yeah, it does
[13:54:00] <kleppari> I just don't understand the solaris rbac model well enough to completely trust it ;P
[13:54:16] <TomJ> in what way would it not be trustworthy?
[13:54:56] <kleppari> I just don't trust things unless I know how they work
[13:55:01] <kleppari> I didn't have a specific reason..
[13:55:24] <kleppari> but anyway, lunch break's over, back to work.  Thanks alot for your help :)
[13:55:54] <TomJ> I'm not sure you need the internal knowledge for most purposes.  particularly in the smf example, it's pretty boolean.  grant the auth and the guy can manage that service using svcadm, dont and he cant
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[13:59:02] <zomboy> anyone here involved in the admin of the opensolaris.org website?
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[14:03:58] <tynar> how can I add -lxnet library to my Sun Studio Compiler?
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[14:05:24] <CosmicDJ> tynar: check the cc manpage for -R and -L
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[14:07:20] <CosmicDJ> tynar: ah hm, it's in /usr/lib; well; -lxnet doesn't work?
[14:08:08] <tynar> CosmicDJ, i am compiling from terminal, but for debugging i wanted to use sun studio. From terminal i add simply -lxnet,
[14:09:16] <CosmicDJ> tynar: ah the IDE, never used that, sry
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[14:11:18] <wereHamster> does `pkg search` only search in the installed packages?
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[14:15:58] <CosmicDJ> wereHamster: http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/querying_ips_packages
[14:17:47] <wereHamster> thanks. -r is the switch I was missing
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[14:18:57] <wereHamster> I updated the image (pkg image-update) and now I'm getting 'en_US.UTF-8: unknown locale' whenever I run pkg. I can work around that by setting LC_ALL=C. Somehow the locale is missing as 'locale -a' doesn't show it.
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[14:19:20] <wereHamster> is there a way to recreate the locale?
[14:20:50] <tynar> how can i concatenate from char a[5][5] to char *b, will for(i=0; i<5; strcat(b, a[i++],  i++) work properly?
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[14:24:16] <calLNCH> "The cost structure is through the roof. The product road map is nonexistent and customers are leaving in droves. When you see these three things, only a dumb company would think of buying Sun."   Dontcha just love research analysts :)
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[14:24:46] <trygvis> the register?
[14:27:48] <calLNCH> nah, finance.yahoo.com
[14:28:11] <calLNCH> er, a Reuters story on finance.yahoo.com, rather
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[14:32:44] <norman> tynar: you should use strncat, if a has no \0 at the end, but then it should work
[14:32:54] <quasi> quoting the netapp boss?
[14:35:37] <CosmicDJ> norman: hm what about just using memcpy?
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[14:40:56] <tynar> norman: it sometimes works sometimes gives segmentation fault error :)
[14:40:59] <CosmicDJ> tynar: memcpy(b, a, sizeof(a));
[14:45:19] <tynar> tnx, CosmicDJ, it did it
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[15:15:45] <trygvis> anyone using mpd (musicpd.org) on solaris?
[15:15:53] <trygvis> do I have to use the OSS drivers to get it to work?
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[15:32:26] <proberts> can you use sudo to execute commands as other user's besides root?
[15:32:38] <proberts> i.e. not using sudo -u
[15:32:49] <proberts> somehow putting it in sudoers
[15:33:03] <fraggeln> proberts: sudo su - newuser :D
[15:33:13] <proberts> so when they run sudo "command" - they are running it as a user other then root
[15:33:34] <proberts> right but then that user could use sudo to do anything
[15:33:44] <proberts> ideally that user can only run one command
[15:33:58] <proberts> and when they run that one command it is not executed as root but rather a non-privledged user
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[15:45:16] <CosmicDJ> proberts: IIRC you can add a "command=/bin/ls" to the authorzied_keys ssh file
[15:45:32] <CosmicDJ> proberts: the the user can only use that command remote
[15:48:27] <CosmicDJ> then
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[15:59:24] <proberts> this is what I want
[15:59:45] <proberts> Defaults:username runas_default=anotheruser
[16:00:03] <proberts> so when "username" sudo's then his command will be executed as "anotheruser"
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[16:03:16] <wereHamster> is there a guide how to port linux/gnu apps to solaris? This whole autotools mess it driving me crazy
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[16:28:52] <oxygene> wereHamster: usually autotools are helping a lot in porting
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[16:34:23] <wereHamster> except I have to set ACLOCAL=aclocal-1.10 AUTOMAKE=automake-1.10 because autoreconf calls 'aclocal' and 'automake' and solaris doesn't provide the symlinks to the appropriate versions
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[16:35:34] <wereHamster> also, the autotools seemed to ignore /opt/sfw/share/??? m4 include directories and I couldn't find how to tell autotools to look there (the HAS_NLS m4 macro was missing)
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[16:36:13] <_mary_kate_> aclocal -I/opt/sfw/share
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[16:38:59] <oxygene> also, the autotools NLS macro is usually broken (comes with gnu gettext and seriously messes up in a mixed sun/gnu gettext situation)
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[16:43:37] <trygvis> my machine just paniced and there was some fs corruption (but not a whole lot), but when I'm back, it won't recognize my keyboard layout
[16:44:12] <trygvis> I'm sure it is because some file was damaged, but I don't know where to start looking
[16:45:12] <wereHamster> I guess the real WTF is why autoreconf is calling a non-existant aclocal. The package that provides autoreconf should depend on a package that provides aclocal or it should create a symlink from aclocal to one of the versions installed
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[16:49:47] <wereHamster> either way, when using ACLOCAL=aclocal-1.10 ./autogen.sh fails with "error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE", even though that macro is defined in /usr/share/aclocal-1.10/
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[17:04:54] <h3sp4wn> wereHamster: Its easier to deal with autotools if you use the jds cbe
[17:05:54] <trygvis> how can I check to see if a NIC is getting a hardware errors_
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[17:15:37] <codestr0m> cypromis: more compiler bugs! but those guys are great
[17:16:26] <cypromis> yah they are so great that I hired one of them part time :)
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[17:16:53] <codestr0m> I won't comment on that
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[17:23:50] <holcomb> why no virtualbox image for the fishworks stuff? :(
[17:24:02] <trygvis> I'm having issues with NFS, but I'm not sure where to start. it seems to just hang
[17:24:14] <holcomb> snoop the network
[17:24:21] <trygvis> opensolaris on both sides, tried with both nfs v3 and v4
[17:24:48] <trygvis> hm, got an example command I can use_
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[17:25:14] <trygvis> with nfsstat I'm seeing hardly any traffic, and %b is 100 all the time on the share with iostat
[17:25:28] <trygvis> actv is also constant at 4.0
[17:26:10] <trygvis> ssh and everything else network related seem to work just fine
[17:27:40] <_mary_kate_> i had this problem once.  turned out to be the machine's IPMI controller stealing port 631, which the OS was using for nfs
[17:28:13] <trygvis> I could mounting the share just fine
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[17:28:33] <trygvis> and I'm getting some traffic through: http://rafb.net/p/Buqri211.html
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[17:31:31] <Ouroboros> ::memstat reports: "Free (freelist)            628764              2456   60%" (2456 MB), but mmap()'ing around 512 MB in 4K pages fails with ENOMEM, how is this possible? is there some sort of contiguity issue?
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[17:34:31] <DTEIT> re
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[17:36:56] <trygvis> seems like all the service is sending are renew packets
[17:38:18] <Ouroboros> btw, the last successful request always looks like this: mmap64(0x00000000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON, -1, 0) = 0x08420000 (notice the address)
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[17:45:16] <trygvis> holcomb: does this make any sense to you? (huge delta times marked) http://rafb.net/p/wpsXSf67.html
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[17:51:56] <galen> i'm stuck trying to set my NIC to jumbo frames.... dladm set-linkprop nge0 -p mtu=9000 does not work
[17:52:23] <galen> dladm: warning: cannot set link property 'mtu' on 'nge0': invalid argument
[17:53:03] <galen> Does anybody have ideas?
[17:53:24] <_mary_kate_> galen: at least in S10, i believe you need to edit nge.conf and reboot (see the example default-mtu setting)
[17:53:39] <galen> _mary_kate_: nge.conf has almost nothing in it
[17:53:44] <galen> i have no idea the syntax to set MTU
[17:53:52] <trygvis> with vers=2 it seems to be 'working', though very slow .. around 70k/s
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[17:53:56] <_mary_kate_> if yours doesn't have the default-mtu example, perhaps it changed in nevada
[17:54:04] <galen> i don't see that anywhere
[17:54:11] <galen> i'm runnning OS 2008.11
[17:54:38] <_mary_kate_> galen: what does your nge.conf(7d) say?
[17:54:41] <_mary_kate_> sorry, nge(7d)
[17:54:48] <rootard> Sol 10 update supports jumbo in nge. Also support for jumbo in nge has been since snv 57 I think
[17:55:00] <rootard> *update 4
[17:55:06] <_mary_kate_> rootard: the question is rather, how to enable it
[17:55:11] <_mary_kate_> (in S10, by editing nge.conf)
[17:55:27] <rootard> yeah... I guess I am just stating the obvious
[17:55:28] <galen> I found this: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-5177/nge-7d?a=view
[17:55:30] <galen> Not very useful.
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[17:55:43] <_mary_kate_> galen: you don't have a manual page for nge?
[17:56:11] <galen> well, i just linked to it
[17:56:14] <rootard> default_mtu=9000;
[17:56:16] <_mary_kate_> that's solaris 10
[17:56:30] <_mary_kate_> if your nge.conf doesn't have the default-mtu example (like the one in solaris 10 does) it's possible they changed the method
[17:56:55] <_mary_kate_> (although you can try the S10 method, if you want - it's described in the manual page you just linked to)
[17:58:27] <galen> hold on, friggin vi doesn't keymap properly over ssh
[17:58:39] <Ouroboros> sure doesnt
[17:58:58] <_mary_kate_> that's not related to ssh.. something is wrong with your $TERM or terminfo
[17:59:07] <galen> it's just some kind of issue between my local shell and the remote shell
[17:59:15] <galen> just annoying that the only app that causes trouble is vi
[17:59:25] <galen> and that i just found it as i'm trying to edit
[17:59:26] <rootard> vim, ftw! ;)
[18:00:14] <Ouroboros> galen: arrows dont work?
[18:00:23] <galen> same issues, the arrow keys are mapped wrong over ssh
[18:00:25] <galen> fixable
[18:00:28] <galen> just annoying
[18:00:38] <galen> ok, done, how do get this to take effect?
[18:00:39] <galen> reboot?
[18:01:13] <rootard> yes
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[18:03:13] <trygvis> this is so strange .. scp is very fast, only nfs having issues
[18:03:18] <trygvis> and only after this reboot
[18:03:26] <trygvis> s,this,the latest,
[18:03:41] <galen> trygvis: i know the feeling....
[18:03:47] <trygvis> :/
[18:04:20] <Ouro> trygvis: portmap issues?
[18:04:30] <trygvis> dunno, how can I check?
[18:04:58] <Ouro> actually i was thikning linux, not sure if its like that on solaris
[18:05:49] <Ouro> usually you must have portmap running on the client (and probably the server), otherwise it will be slow as hell
[18:07:42] <trygvis> odd, the service network/nfs/client is disabled
[18:07:59] <Ouro> yes, that might be your problem :)
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[18:08:14] <trygvis> well, I am getting traffic through
[18:09:35] <Ouro> dont know, havent used nfs yet
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[18:36:32] <galen> ok, well, that did not work.... mtu still 1500 :(
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[18:58:50] <CIA-59> Sean Wilcox <Sean.Wilcox at Sun dot COM>: 6332610 startd doesn't notice configd's woes
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[19:16:43] <Stric> Hm.. with ZFS root and I got a new hostid (fixing an LDOMs setup), I get the "WARNING: pool 'rpool' could not be loaded as it was last accessed by another system" .. how to fix? (make it accept the new hostid)
[19:17:25] <_mary_kate_> N    6 Sun Microsystems               - Solaris 10 10/08 OS Now Available for Download
[19:17:36] <Stric> yup. just got it too.. about 2 weeks slow ;)
[19:17:38] <Auralis_> zpool import -f
[19:17:46] <Stric> Auralis_: rpool...
[19:18:01] <Stric> need to boot net, I guess
[19:18:35] <_mary_kate_> perhaps zdb can do it?
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[19:18:53] <_mary_kate_> (a little bit undocumented, though)
[19:18:57] <Auralis_> hrmm
[19:19:48] <Stric> boot net, and then import it is probably the easiest..
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[19:25:59] <_setuid_H> Evening all
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[19:29:26] <Stric> and it worked fine.
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[19:30:46] <_setuid_H> Damn today is starbucks's wifi so slow
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[19:32:04] <Xang> Must be that 97% profit loss last quarter.
[19:32:20] <Xang> cutting wifi speed to save costs :)
[19:32:54] <Cyrille> I thought there were cutting on coffee quality.
[19:33:00] <Cyrille> No wait, they were already doing that.
[19:33:20] * codestr0m really hates Starbucks
[19:33:24] <_setuid_H> Xang: :-)
[19:33:44] <_setuid_H> codestr0m: Why?
[19:33:52] <codestr0m> you know.. it amazes me how one company can start a plague that causes a city to smell like **** and nobody cares :P
[19:34:11] <_setuid_H> I like caramel frappucino :-)
[19:34:16] <Xang> Anyone running 2008.11?
[19:34:22] <codestr0m> _setuid_H: I got off the airplane in Seattle a few years back... (where I grew up) and I'm like.. omg. where can I hide to get away from this awful smell
[19:34:27] <Auralis_> xang: yes
[19:34:43] <Xang> Auralis: So far, so good? I am planning on installing this evening.
[19:34:56] <Auralis_> looks fine
[19:36:09] <_setuid_H> codest0m: I haven't been to Seattle but I believe you :-) But here I smell just sweet things :-)
[19:37:53] <_setuid_H> Is there some public ips repository, free to add packages in it?
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[19:43:24] <TrN> All versions of OpenSolaris (and commercila Solaris 10 release as well) kernel panic on boot on a particular system, with the panic in hda_audio driver.  Is there a quick way to disable this or get a backtrace with symbols so I can report it.  It panics up through the latest RC.
[19:43:29] <TrN> *commercial
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[19:51:07] <dustman> _setuid_H: check blastwave, but google on how to add that since they don't have description on their site
[19:51:21] <CosmicDJ> TrN: http://blogs.sun.com/dmick/entry/diagnosing_kernel_hangs_panics_with
[19:52:46] <TrN> CosmicDJ: Thanks.  I know for a fact the problem is a memory corruption in hda_audio.  I hope there is an easy way to avoid loading the driver.
[19:53:02] <TrN> Never used Solaris x86 before, but would certainly like to. :)
[19:53:13] <jv_> can i somehow put console on both serial port and display?
[19:53:33] <despen> Is there a list of supported graphic cards for solaris and opensolaris? I want to use a radeon 2100-based gpu.
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[19:54:02] <Auralis_> best bet for a gfx card is a nvidia, no clue how good the ati support is
[19:55:13] <dustman> radeon driver from Xorg is ok, although not for latest ATI cards
[19:56:31] <despen> Auralis_: Yes, but I have a motherboard with a radeon GPU. I don't want to buy a graphic card for my server. (=
[19:56:58] <Auralis_> if its just for a server it will do fine, thats what vesa mode is for in a pinch :)
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[19:58:41] <dustman> despen: btw, stock solaris 10/08 doesn't support ati very well, while osol does quite well
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[19:58:53] <CIA-59> tim szeto <Tim.Szeto at Sun dot COM>: 6751340 iscsitgtd is core dumping on snv_98, xmlCleanupParser called from server_for_door
[19:58:54] <CIA-59> Sreedhar Chalamalasetti - Sun Microsystems - Bangalore India <Sreedhar.Chalamalasetti at Sun dot COM>: 6589364 ldapsearch exits with incorrect return value when output is redirected to a file system that is full
[19:59:19] <despen> Auralis_: Yes, but i want use the right drivers (=
[19:59:44] <alanc> despen: mostly, the graphics card list for Solaris/OpenSolaris is "whatever Xorg's open source drivers support" - though Solaris 10 has older driver revs than openSolaris
[20:00:04] <despen> dustman: I will use osol then (=
[20:06:29] <Ouro> dustman: blastwave has a pretty complete installation description
[20:07:38] <despen> alanc: Ok, open source driver it's then /=
[20:08:13] <alanc> nvidia has ported their closed source driver, ati hasn't
[20:09:31] <despen> alanc: mmm, nvidia is better for all unixes
[20:09:52] <dustman> Ouro: it got a good description of using pkg-get but I haven't seen instructions on using ips with blastwave
[20:10:23] <Ouro> oh yeah, true
[20:10:25] <kleppari> it's still beta
[20:10:40] <kleppari> pkg set-authority -O http://blastwave.network.org:10000 Blastwave
[20:10:41] <kleppari> iirc.
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[20:17:08] <dustman> blastwave + ips = abomination
[20:17:25] <dustman> it doesn't work on solaris 8 ;)
[20:17:27] <Ouro> why not just use pkg-get
[20:18:44] * _mary_kate_ finds the idea of anyone using blastware on S8 rather funny
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[20:34:43] <_setuid_H> Damn wordpress editor. I hate him. Why doesn't it just let me write what I want in pure html
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[20:46:41] <gobba> hey ipi you here?
[20:47:36] <gobba> anyways installed from the 101 dvd full install :/ but it didnt set the hostname
[20:47:47] <gobba> is it /etc/hostname that sets this?
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[20:47:54] <_mary_kate_> /etc/nodename
[20:48:00] <gobba> k thnx
[20:48:12] <gobba> i also couldnt create anything in /home
[20:48:36] <e^ipi> no, it's managed by the automounter
[20:48:48] <gobba> =
[20:48:49] <gobba> ?
[20:48:53] <gobba> hey ipi! =)
[20:48:58] <e^ipi> = "man automount"
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[20:49:21] <e^ipi> /etc/auto_home sets up the mount
[20:49:55] <gobba> +auto_home
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[20:52:04] <e^ipi> http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2005/02/youre-never-far-from-home.html
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[20:56:54] <gobba> oh nice
[20:56:55] <gobba> thnx
[20:57:07] <gobba> you wouldnt happen to know how to reinitialize the old pool i have =)
[20:57:20] <axisys> how do I get all the active ipf rules with one command? ipfstat -in shows some and ipfstat -on shows the others..
[20:57:27] <e^ipi> "reinitialize" meaning what exactly?
[20:57:41] <_mary_kate_> axisys: ipfstat -hio
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[20:59:05] <gobba> ohh i like automount
[20:59:21] <gobba> hehe the big tank i made in 200805 installation =)
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[21:00:17] <e^ipi> tank is just a name, and an unoriginal one at that
[21:00:22] <e^ipi> what do you mean by "reinitialize"
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[21:03:30] <gobba> well
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[21:03:52] <gobba> i had a zfpool on the old install other than the one created by the install
[21:03:55] <gobba> that was called tank
[21:04:10] <gobba> and was empty.. i can make it again but want to learn how to enable it again
[21:04:42] <e^ipi> just import it
[21:04:45] <e^ipi> zpool import
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[21:05:31] <gobba> kk thnx
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[21:07:33] <Ouro> are there any system tuning parameters that affect memory allocation by user processes?
[21:07:48] <Ouro> especially with respect to fragmentation
[21:08:23] <_mary_kate_> i believe some are described in the kernel parameters manuals
[21:09:52] <Ouro> ok lemme look
[21:13:33] <rv-> Ouro> r u looking for anything in particular ?
[21:15:42] <Ouro> still struggling with my cvs "out of memory" issues
[21:16:40] <Ouro> i am not understanding why its possible to get ENOMEM from mmap64() while there is still free physical memory
[21:16:56] <prav33n> Is there a way to figure out which package owns a particular file that is installed using IPS?
[21:16:57] <Ouro> my only theory is that it has something to do with fragmentation
[21:17:51] <Auralis_> prav33n: pkg search /file/name
[21:17:53] <Ouro> or perhaps how many blocks of each size exist in the allocator
[21:18:26] <prav33n> Auralis_, That doesn't help
[21:18:35] <prav33n> I have some weird Firefox issues
[21:18:50] <Auralis_> it gives you the pkg name, thats what you asked for
[21:19:48] <Auralis_> maybe explain what firefox issues would help
[21:20:15] <prav33n> My Firefox hangs up when I type the first letter in address bar
[21:20:27] <prav33n> I asked about this already on the channel and I don't see anyone facing this issue
[21:20:37] <Auralis_> well, that is a new one
[21:20:41] <prav33n> I also searched defect.opensolaris.org and no such issues reported
[21:21:00] <prav33n> I did 'which firefox' and found that I am using /opt/sfw/bin/firefox
[21:21:15] <prav33n> I did a 'pkg search /opt/sfw/bin/firefox' and it didn't show any results
[21:21:25] <e^ipi> please tell me your next sentence will be semantically equivalent to "and then i filed a bug on it"
[21:21:52] <prav33n> When I did 'pkg contents SUNWfirefox' I see that it installs contents in /usr and not in /opt
[21:22:16] <prav33n> So before filing a bug I want to make sure that I am using the Firefox distributed by OpenSolaris and not some other version of Firefox
[21:22:16] <Auralis_>  /opt/sfw/bin/firefox is nto the ips installed firefox, its one of the sun contributed firefox builds on mozilla.com
[21:22:18] <gobba> god damn it still freezes when i do lots of disk stuff
[21:22:31] <Ouro> e^ipi: is "and then i went to ask on irc" semantically equivalent to "and then i filed a bug on it" ?
[21:22:39] <e^ipi> absolutely not
[21:22:45] <Ouro> ;-)
[21:23:13] <prav33n> Auralis_, I might have installed it using pkgadd
[21:23:15] <Ouro> well, you should be proud to know that i filed 1 bug already
[21:23:28] <prav33n> How do I figure out the package name to use in pkgrm?
[21:23:44] <Auralis_> pkginfo |grep -i firefox
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[21:25:57] <prav33n> Auralis_, I get an odd entry 'application MOZfirefox                      firefox 3.0rc2 for Solaris 11'
[21:26:05] <prav33n> Could that be the one?
[21:26:10] <Auralis_> yeah
[21:26:22] <Auralis_> might want to check with pkginfo -l MOZfirefox
[21:26:25] <prav33n> Auralis_, Is there a way that I can figure out the contents of this pkg?
[21:27:24] <Auralis_> pkgchk or grep for the pkg name in /var/sadm/install/contents
[21:27:39] <prav33n> Also is there a way to figure out all the packages that are installed that are not IPS packages?
[21:28:09] <Auralis_> pkginfo
[21:29:27] <prav33n> I did a 'pfexec pkgrm MOZfirefox'
[21:29:41] <prav33n> Even after that 'which firefox' shows the /opt/sfw one
[21:31:37] <Auralis_> rehash
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[21:31:44] <Auralis_> to update your shell cache
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[21:34:19] <prav33n> Auralis_, Got to run out for a quick lunch with my team
[21:34:23] <prav33n> I will be right back
[21:34:33] <prav33n> Auralis_, Thanks for your pointers
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[21:37:09] <TT> do i have opengl support with my ati x1600 mobility chipset?
[21:37:31] <_mary_kate_> TT: i believe this card is too new.  but you should consult Xorg documentation
[21:38:01] <TT> omg ists about 2 years old
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[21:41:03] <TT> ioquake3 sys couldnt load opengl subsystem GL_renderer Mesa.....
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[21:59:24] <alanc> TT: no, for ATI, only R300 series (like x700) have OpenGL support - x1600 is in the range ATI refused to allow open drivers for the first couple years, and since AMD changed their mind and opened the specs, Sun hasn't caught up on porting the new 3D drivers for them
[22:01:34] <turtle> did the xorg people actually make 3d drivers after amd released the specs? i don't really keep up on that kind of thing.
[22:01:44] <h3sp4wn> alanc: Does Sun not have some sort of (closed) ATI driver (from the XVR series)
[22:02:03] <alanc> h3sp4wn: SPARC only, 2D only - no 3D
[22:02:09] <alanc> turtle: yes
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[22:02:42] <alanc> ATI were always the low-end/2D cards of the XVR series - for 3D, Sun shipped the 3DLabs cards
[22:03:09] <turtle> do they work as well as nvidias blob driver? most modern ati cards supported?
[22:03:37] <alanc> turtle: I don't know, I haven't tried them
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[22:06:29] <prav33n> This firefox hang issue is still there
[22:06:39] <prav33n> I am not sure how to troubleshoot it
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[22:58:58] <CIA-59> vj145453 <Vipul.Jain at Sun dot COM>: 6740741 Change GetAuditSessionData to GetAdtAuditSessionData since dbus 1.2.3
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[23:11:00] <grazz> is it possible to do a base installation of opensolaris?
[23:11:13] <grazz> if it's possible, where can i find information about it?
[23:11:18] <turtle> is it possible to freebase opensolaris?
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[23:14:39] <c00p> grazz: There is basically no install options with opensolaris - you jut it in and isntall
[23:14:56] <c00p> turtle: I don't understand what freebase means
[23:16:56] <grazz> so basically i have to do the full instalation and start stripping things
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[23:19:47] <turtle> c00p: when you cook it up and smoke it!
[23:19:57] <turtle> it's how you make crack
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[23:22:09] <vmlemon_> "Do not eat OpenSolaris. OpenSolaris is not a flying toy."
[23:22:54] <grazz> it's too big, i can't eat it
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[23:36:45] <LeftyBSD> Do not taunt Happy Fun OpenSolaris!
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[23:55:40] <c00p> grazz: yes
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[23:58:11] <codestr0m> c00p: that's the beauty of having it installed. afterwards you get to remove things. while not intuitive at this point. still possible
[23:58:37] <c00p> codestr0m: Yup the packetmanager has a lot of promise :)
[23:58:45] <c00p> I am liking what I am seeing ...
[23:58:50] <codestr0m> rm -rf pkg5
[23:59:23] <c00p> codestr0m: You got any guides / doco on making a quota'd /var and /usr volumes on the root pool ?
[23:59:45] <codestr0m> the sun docs are pretty good.. nothing explicit comes to mind





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