[00:00:28] <e^ipi> hrist: postofficeprotocolversion3-server
[00:00:46] <hrist> e^ipi: I know, he just got them :-)
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[00:05:02] <TopBunny98> Gman: Any links for newusers of mutt would be kindly appriciated/
[00:05:33] <dustman> mutt.org
[00:05:33] <Gman> TopBunny98: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/ ?
[00:05:35] <TomJ> I suspect #mutt has some in its topic
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[00:09:05] <kim0> Hi, I installed 2008.11-rc on a USB disk. Trying to boot it .. results in getting Grub shell in a black screen ?!
[00:09:15] <kim0> not sure how to take it from here
[00:10:02] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: you just get a grub prompt?
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[00:10:14] <kim0> yep .. black grub shell
[00:10:27] <xRaich[o]2x> known issue let me get the bug number
[00:10:52] <kim0> root (hd0,0) is probably the partition I want to boot .. but not sure how to do it from solaris (can do that in Linux though)
[00:11:08] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4675
[00:12:34] <c00p> o well with build 101a opensolaris comes with sudo - wow
[00:13:12] <Gman> (and top, and locate...)
[00:13:17] <kim0> kewl!
[00:13:19] <_mary_kate_> top? ... why?
[00:13:21] <e^ipi> c00p: it also comes with pfexec, which is the reccomended way of solving that problem
[00:13:23] <kim0> wish I could get it to boot :D
[00:13:37] <xRaich[o]2x> i don't really care if it comes with sudo or not. i comes with a lot regression, i filed a lot of bugs today
[00:13:40] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: because someone bitched on the arc alias when it was proposed to symlink prstat to it
[00:13:48] <_mary_kate_> oh, it's not actually top
[00:14:02] <e^ipi> no, it is top
[00:14:05] <c00p> e^ipi: why re-invent the wheel
[00:14:14] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: what's symlinked to what?
[00:14:29] <kim0> xRaich[o]2x: so booting manually I should "chainloader +1" ??
[00:14:30] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: nothing's symlinked... the case was to symlink prstat to top
[00:14:37] <e^ipi> then someone bitched, so real top got integrated instead
[00:14:47] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: dunno read the report ;)
[00:14:53] <e^ipi> c00p: i dunno, ask stallman
[00:14:58] <kim0> no workarounds mentioned it seems
[00:15:10] <kim0> it's dup of another .. reading another
[00:15:15] <xRaich[o]2x> top in solaris... that's just... yuk
[00:15:31] <xRaich[o]2x> but well
[00:15:36] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: and slow
[00:15:39] <_mary_kate_> Unix top is nothing like Linux top, so if the idea is to impress linux users, i don't really see the point
[00:15:42] <TopBunny98> How do yo designate the remote server for mutt to logonto in the  ~/.muttrc file?
[00:16:04] <Gman> xRaich[o]2x: you can still use prstat obviously
[00:16:11] <e^ipi> TopBunny88: the mutt documentation says how to do that
[00:16:17] <xRaich[o]2x> i know, i'm just saying
[00:16:32] <Gman> it's one of the top 5 searches on pkg.opensolaris.org
[00:16:39] <Gman> so we have data suggesting it's needed
[00:16:54] <_mary_kate_> Gman: no, you have data suggesting people need an easier way to find prstat
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[00:17:02] <xRaich[o]2x> i think they search for it since they don't know what prstat is
[00:17:04] <e^ipi> because rather than informing people of the correct alternatives, the strategy is to integrate the poorer tools
[00:17:06] <dclarke> can I ask a philosophical question here ?
[00:17:10] <dclarke> given a binary named foo which is somewhat CPU intense .. what difference is there really between running  /usr/xpg4/bin/nice -n +19 ./foo and perhaps running with fixed class priority thus /bin/priocntl -e -c FX -m 0 -p -0 -r 40 ./foo
[00:17:12] <Gman> _mary_kate_: we thought about putting in a symlink
[00:17:15] <dclarke> other than priocntl gives me ( the root user actually ) the optio to specify a timeslice of 40 millisecs
[00:17:16] <xRaich[o]2x> i had the same problem when i migrated from linux 6 months ago
[00:17:17] <Gman> but well, why confuse people further?
[00:17:38] <_mary_kate_> Gman: i guess 98% of people looking for 'top' are Linux users.  did you ever use Linux top?  - it's completely different to Unix top
[00:17:41] <Gman> it's all in the arc case - have a read :)
[00:18:41] <xRaich[o]2x> i just hope this horrible ahci bug gets fixed
[00:18:51] * dclarke waits
[00:19:06] * codestr0m thinks osol is regressive to the point of linux
[00:19:14] <codestr0m> regressing*
[00:19:34] <xRaich[o]2x> there is an insane amount of regression
[00:19:35] <TopBunny98> How do i set mutt to use ssl  towhen sending and receiving mail?
[00:19:54] <Triskelios> TopBunny88: this isn't a mutt help channel...
[00:19:59] <Triskelios> TopBunny88: there might be one, though
[00:20:07] <Gman> codestr0m: in terms of just userspace? there's plenty of opportunity to configure the system the way you want
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[00:20:33] <Triskelios> xRaich[o]2x: which ahci bug?
[00:20:35] <xRaich[o]2x> i just installed a fresh build 86 opensolaris since all the regression rendered my system completely useless
[00:20:48] <codestr0m> Gman: what's that have to do with the the releases not being QA'd properly?
[00:20:49] <Gman> there's bugs
[00:20:50] <xRaich[o]2x> Triskelios: wait a sec let me get the bug number
[00:20:55] <Gman> but i'd be interested to know what you mean by regression
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[00:21:33] <xRaich[o]2x> Triskelios: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3690
[00:21:34] <Gman> but everyone is welcome to log bugs in defect.opensolaris.org
[00:22:09] <e^ipi> Gman: i think it's a case of sensible defaults vs. just copying linux because it's familiar. copying something when we have a better alternative and hiding the better alternative through a series of hoops you have to jump through to get there is just crazy
[00:22:23] <Gman> absolutely
[00:22:26] <Gman> we don't defect to top
[00:22:28] <Gman> or locate
[00:22:30] <Gman> or sudo
[00:22:35] <Gman> they're provided for people who want to use them
[00:22:48] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: ehci driver doesn't work anymore. i cannot mount or unmount my external usb harddrive. ahci keeps crashing when using the hard disk.... that's a lot of regression since it worked in build 86 not to forget that i can't boot with hci1394 turned on
[00:22:49] <Gman> s/defect/default/
[00:22:49] <dustman> hm.. /usr/gnu/bin being first in default path is sensible?
[00:23:00] <xRaich[o]2x> and i'm just talking about this notebook
[00:23:23] <Gman> there were some audiohd changes - that's garrett's involvement
[00:23:29] <Triskelios> xRaich[o]2x: interesting,,, I have two systems with ahci and haven't seen this, although it might be chipset specific
[00:23:33] <Gman> so might be worth cc'ing him on that bug
[00:23:49] <Gman> dustman: we've already been down that path - 6 months ago
[00:24:00] <Gman> it's not going to change
[00:24:04] <xRaich[o]2x> Triskelios: i know it's a weird bug. but i don't have any issues on build 86
[00:24:16] <Gman> unless someone can come up with a good proposal
[00:24:26] <e^ipi> it is going to change actually
[00:24:57] <e^ipi> there is some functionality in the gnu tools that solaris lacks and vice versa
[00:25:07] <e^ipi> a convergence of the two is better than picking one or the other
[00:25:29] <e^ipi> what that'll look like is at the moment anyone's guess, but it's not gonig to be all gnu all the time
[00:25:38] <Gman> i'll look forward to the commit then.
[00:25:50] <Triskelios> that would be an enormous undertaking, to say the least
[00:26:26] <Gman> i suspect it won't happen
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[00:27:54] <e^ipi> remains to be seen, i figure it'll be a management call about what's important
[00:28:02] <dustman> good part about solaris that one can use gnu, system V or bsd tools
[00:28:06] <e^ipi> svid, sus, compatibility, etc
[00:28:11] <dustman> just by changing path
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[00:28:30] <Gman> e^ipi: as i say, look forward to the commit
[00:29:16] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: since you are there i have a question about the bugtracker. when you mark a bug as a duplicate it gets crossed out in the 2008.11 blocker bug. is the bug still treated as an active problem?
[00:29:53] <Gman> sounds like it wrongly dup'd
[00:30:02] <Gman> if it's a dup of a current blocker, then it should still be a blocker
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[00:30:30] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: i mean a bug like this http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3690
[00:30:44] <xRaich[o]2x> it's a blocker but marked as a duplicate of another bug
[00:31:16] <Gman> xRaich[o]2x: yeah, don't think the states are merged
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[00:31:57] <Gman> xRaich[o]2x: best to drop david comay a mail about it
[00:32:15] <Gman> it's his call on the blocker bugs for 2008.11
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[00:33:33] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: thanks, i got really confused by that
[00:36:15] <Gman> np
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[00:37:38] <Triskelios> xRaich[o]2x: looking at the two bugs, they seem to describe different problem conditions, so it may be an incorrect dup
[00:38:29] <xRaich[o]2x> i didn't mark it as a dup i though that marking that as a duplicate was totally counterproductive
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[00:39:41] <TopBunny98> is there a package of pine for opensolaris/
[00:40:04] <jv_> iirc license of pine forbids distribution in binary form, so probably no
[00:40:06] <Gman> TopBunny98: not yet unfortunately
[00:40:10] <mikeconcepts> have trouble with this: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dffk94rp_251fsz5hccp    -   perl install URI failed  - please help
[00:40:12] <Gman> alpine is the replacement for pine
[00:40:24] <Triskelios> jv_: alpine is the new pine, anyway
[00:40:29] <jv_> yeah
[00:40:35] <mikeconcepts> trying to install xfce
[00:41:17] <mikeconcepts> will try pearl channel
[00:41:33] <Triskelios> TopBunny88: you can build packages for both from SFE, if you want
[00:42:33] <TopBunny98> Cna I build packages from source from sunfreeware/
[00:43:16] <xRaich[o]2x> ok i just reopened the bug
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[00:44:24] <Triskelios> TopBunny88: I would not recommend that, even if it were possible. SFE has better integration for opensolaris. sunfreeware is generally meant to be used for solaris 9 and earlier
[00:50:22] <TopBunny98> Triskelios: Are sge and ips the same repository?
[00:51:11] <Triskelios> TopBunny88: SFE only has package recipes, not prebuilt packages
[00:52:14] <TopBunny98> How do i add sfe to my package manager repository list/
[00:52:23] <TopBunny98> x86
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[00:55:49] <Triskelios> TopBunny88: it is not a package repository. it contains spec files for pkgbuild, which you can use to create packages. google for spec-files-extra
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[00:57:13] <nrubsig> e^ipi: yt ?
[00:57:29] <nrubsig> Gman: yt ?
[00:57:33] <e^ipi> yo
[00:58:15] <nrubsig> e^ipi: can you add ksh93-integration-discuss at opensolaris dot org to CR #6768233's interest list, please ?
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[01:04:25] <mshadle> can someone help me figure out why my liveupgrade is not working? here's the output: http://mikehost.com/~mike/tmp/lu.txt
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[01:06:46] <Gman> nrubsig: here
[01:07:01] * Gman leaves it to e^ipi  ;)
[01:07:32] <nrubsig> Gman: well, I filed a new bug via bugs.opensolaris.org today... can you figure out the CR# number, please ?
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[01:08:06] <Gman> nrubsig: 6769332
[01:12:13] <TopBunny98> is it posible to boot in a single usermode?
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[01:13:39] <e^ipi> yes, the manpage boot(1M) documents how
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[01:20:08] <TopBunny98> I submitted a bugg me rpot due to this Exception value:
[01:20:12] <TopBunny98> [Errno 1] Not owner: '//opt/csw/lib/i386'
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[01:24:54] <Gman> TopBunny98: are you using 'pfexec' ?
[01:25:18] <Gman> ie. pfexec pkg install IPSpine (or whatever the package is)
[01:34:25] <TopBunny98> HAs any one gotten Virtual box working in SVN_101a RC1?
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[01:43:17] <mshadle> can someone help me figure out why my liveupgrade is not working? here's the output: http://mikehost.com/~mike/tmp/lu.txt ?
[01:47:25] <TopBunny98> mshandlePlease take your question to #solaris as it pertains to solaris
[01:49:19] <mshadle> isnt the LU process different in opensolaris than in solaris due to zfs?
[01:49:33] <TomJ> solaris has zfs root now as of 10/08
[01:49:38] <TomJ> but yes without zfs root, LU process is different
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[01:50:34] <mshadle> well i am using zfs boot/root :p
[01:50:41] <mshadle> but okay, i will try in there too
[01:50:43] <james1> hi , for Xvnc , it's only for mode console cause i ave that error Server is already active for display 0 If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
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[01:58:51] <CIA-59> Vijay Balakrishna, SG-RPE <Vijay.Balakrishna at Sun dot COM>: 6755472 page_retire_thread causing high sys time due to seg_p_disable
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[02:20:46] <arthurb> how can i mount another root on zfs
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[02:42:34] <mshadle> if i boot off a b101 DVD and i have a pre-existing b98 setup, do i have to enter in all the info again, or shouldnt it find my existing install and ask to upgrade?
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[02:49:11] <Chipdancer> mshadle: you should look at live upgrade (man live_upgrade)
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[02:51:35] <mshadle> i am running commands posted all over
[02:51:39] <mshadle> luupgrade -u -n snv_101 -s /export/loop
[02:51:43] <mshadle> when i run that the machine reboots..
[02:51:53] <_mary_kate_> did you install the LU packages from the b101?
[02:52:05] <_mary_kate_> always install the new LU before upgrading
[02:52:08] <mshadle> setup_install_server?
[02:52:18] <_mary_kate_> cd /whatever/Solaris_10/Tools/installers; ./liveupgrade20
[02:52:24] <mshadle> i tried to look at the syntax but the sun docs made it out like it was a remote option
[02:52:51] <mshadle> do i run that before i do any lu stuff
[02:52:59] <_mary_kate_> yes, that will install the new LU packages
[02:53:16] <mshadle> ok let me try with that
[02:53:17] <e^ipi> not that I ran in to that issue or something...
[02:53:21] <mshadle> someone told me to try that
[02:53:23] <mshadle> <dvd mountpoint>/Solaris_11/Tools/setup_install_server
[02:53:28] <_mary_kate_> they were wrong
[02:53:35] <_mary_kate_> setup_install_server is for creating a jumpstart (network install) server
[02:54:00] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: did you ever find out why it panics?
[02:54:16] <mshadle> that's what it sounded like
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[02:57:11] <e^ipi> yeah it tries to use a driver that doesn't exist until b100
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[02:58:47] <mshadle> that was the case - the LU tools were out of date. now it looks normal
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[03:52:45] <TopBunny88> We should add this link to the topic http://tinyurl.com/5tlkvp
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[03:54:51] <swankier> I'm having trouble with OpenSolaris understanding the disk geometry of my drives
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[03:55:31] <swankier> can anyone recommend what to do?
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[03:57:19] <FloridaBSD> http://tinyurl.com/5tlkvp
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[04:02:53] <jamesd> swankier, buy a keg, and case of spiced rum, and consume as fast as possible,
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[04:04:55] <swankier> hmm
[04:04:58] <swankier> I like the option a lot...
[04:05:07] <swankier> and I'll do that as soon as I figure out this geometry problem
[04:05:08] <swankier> ;)
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[04:06:36] <FloridaBSD> swankier: write i script
[04:06:53] <swankier> FloridaBSD: hmm?
[04:07:39] <FloridaBSD> swankier: I was making a joke about your geometry problem.
[04:07:58] <swankier> oh :(
[04:07:59] <swankier> boo.
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[04:19:03] <FloridaBSD> The ironic thing is that Sun microsystems  allows you to download Solaris and Open solaris b ass well as charding 65 USD for a solaris media kit.
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[04:35:32] <victori_> has anyone compiled ndis on indiana?
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[04:59:41] <abisen> anybody here has somewhat recent version of ffmpeg for opensolaris
[04:59:43] <abisen> ?
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[05:20:37] <Aussie_User> hi
[05:20:56] <Aussie_User> sorry it seems nobody is available to help you
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[05:30:32] <sstallion> evening all
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[05:36:09] <Aussie_User> hi
[05:36:25] <Aussie_User> seems not too many come here
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[05:36:47] <TomJ> not at this hour on a saturday night
[05:37:34] <swankier> has anyone had success mounting a freebsd drive in opensolaris?
[05:37:42] <TomJ> zfs?
[05:37:47] <swankier> ufs
[05:37:50] <TomJ> no.
[05:37:56] <TomJ> incompatible
[05:37:57] <TomJ> no drivers
[05:38:10] <swankier> you sure?
[05:38:17] <TomJ> almost certain
[05:38:25] <TomJ> BSD and Solaris UFS separated many many years ago
[05:39:18] <Aussie_User> is it true many linux users are not interested in opensolaris because of the licence its bound by
[05:39:36] <Aussie_User> as compared to linux
[05:39:36] <TomJ> depends on your definition of many is
[05:39:50] <TomJ> I would suspect that the vast majority of linux users haven't got a clue what the license even means
[05:40:01] <TomJ> nor do they care
[05:40:13] <TomJ> but yes there are those who do and believe in it
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[05:40:34] <Aussie_User> well one example is whether zfs will be ported to linux (and OS X)
[05:40:46] <jamesd> Aussie_User, only zellots give a flying fig about licenses.
[05:40:49] <TomJ> it has already been ported to OSX
[05:41:13] <TomJ> and no it won't go to Linux because of Linux's license
[05:41:21] <Aussie_User> ok
[05:41:56] <Aussie_User> I read the licence Sun chose is incompatible with the licence linux is issued on
[05:42:02] <purserj> jamesd: actually people who want to stay on the right side of the law give a flying fig about licenses
[05:42:22] <Aussie_User> therefore a serious impediment
[05:42:27] <purserj> also the gpl isn't the blocker everyone says it is, someone could take the nvidia route
[05:42:41] <TomJ> Aussie_User: no imediment to Solaris
[05:42:43] <jamesd> purserj, in this case  a normal user can't ignore the license, since they are not porting or distributing it.
[05:43:00] <jamesd> er s/can't/can/
[05:43:22] <purserj> jamesd: what's to stop someone doing what nvidia does, a gpl shiv that communicates with a sun licensed blob
[05:43:28] <purserj> using public system calls
[05:43:58] <TomJ> There's always FUSE
[05:44:28] <jamesd> purserj, because the filesystem breaks all the levels that most linux zellots whine about, so it can't just be a single module because it touches so many parts of the kernel.
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[06:58:51] <CIA-59> Michael Speer <Michael.Speer at Sun dot COM>: 6769309 handling of alternative mac addresses prevents mixing of hybrid and vio vnets on a vsw
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[07:29:20] <OltreIrc`1517> !list
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[07:52:27] <tobeya> 8> ZFS
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[08:03:03] <FloridaBSD> which file do i put the flashplayer plugins in?
[08:06:49] <e^ipi> there's a README
[08:07:33] <FloridaBSD> e^ipi:  not in the download of flash player nine
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[08:24:39] <Thomas1> hello?
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[08:36:03] <e^ipi> hey, we hit slashdot
[08:36:49] <e^ipi> prepare for an influx of retarded slashdot trolls
[08:40:47] <LeftyBSD> like me!
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[09:59:34] <kim0> Hi, I'm installing osol 2008.11 100a. The installer is at 99% for 30 minutes now, and prstat shows "strings" is grinding through my harddisk ?!
[09:59:40] <kim0> any idea what's up
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[10:27:51] <c00p> kim0: gonna be very hard for anyone to assist there
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[10:30:52] <comay> kim0, i would suggest downloading the new 101a iso instead
[10:31:02] <comay> there's a nasty bug that causes the issue you're seeing
[10:31:26] <comay> it will eventually finish but depending on how much memory you have on your system, you may be waiting a long time
[10:31:34] <kim0> comay: I am running snv_100a
[10:31:59] <kim0> comay: btw .. it's not this "pkg is taking a lot of RAM" thing .. it's "strings" running on my other disk !
[10:32:32] <kim0> I even killed strings after 1:30 hours .. and it's still at 99% .. waiting
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[10:32:57] <kim0> comay: is there any other way to install it without the gui perhaps ?
[10:33:03] <comay> is the strings process still running?
[10:33:08] <kim0> I even killed strings after 1:30 hours .. and it's still at 99% .. waiting
[10:34:15] <kim0> zfs list is hung for 30 mins now
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[10:34:33] <comay> what happens if you truss the strings process?
[10:34:48] <kim0> sorry it's killed now
[10:34:57] <kim0> but it wasnt stalled
[10:35:07] <kim0> comay: it was just grepping my *entire* disk
[10:35:16] <comay> okay, what does "pstack `pgrep gui-install`" say?
[10:35:55] <kim0> where do I paste ?
[10:36:45] <kim0> comay: http://fpaste.org/paste/8788
[10:36:58] <_coredump_> moinsen
[10:40:19] <kim0> any other way to install the system ? I really wanna get it running!
[10:40:36] <dustman_> kim0: you can install 2008.05, update ips and upgrade to latest osol
[10:40:54] <kim0> mmm
[10:41:39] <dustman_> ~20 min for install, 500M download and some tiem to waste
[10:42:05] <dustman_> of course if yoo got 2008.05 already
[10:43:39] <dustman_> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/image-update/
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[10:44:37] <kenokabe> .
[10:45:25] <kim0> would it not be possible to "inage-update" the live 2008.11 rc before installing :)
[10:45:31] <kim0> maybe I am asking too much :D
[10:46:31] <dustman_> I don't know but I doubt
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[10:47:06] <kim0> dustman_: how do I know if the live DVD I am using is the lastest ?
[10:47:13] <dustman_> and IPS is real shitty part of osol
[10:47:27] <dustman_> kim0: md5?
[10:47:28] <kim0> ick .. I had hoped it would be good
[10:47:37] <kim0> no simple version somewhere
[10:47:48] <xRaich[o]2x> i'm actually one of the few that like it
[10:48:06] <kim0> I will try re-installing to a new USB disk ...
[10:48:13] <kim0> the old one was a crappy old ipod!
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[10:48:26] <dustman_> I've used image-update before yesterday and it shows svn_100
[10:48:30] <kim0> I just wanna be sure it's the latest
[10:48:49] <kim0> The live DVD says its OpenSolaris 2008.11 snv_100a X86
[10:48:56] <dustman_> kim0: what's wrong with updating from 2008.05?
[10:48:56] <kim0> that is latest eh ?
[10:49:04] <kim0> I just dont have 05
[10:49:14] <dustman_> ah
[10:49:23] <kim0> first time to touch it
[10:49:28] <dustman_> i think it's cd
[10:49:39] <dustman_> not that hard to download
[10:49:40] <kim0> I'm actually happy the live CD worked fine with my laptop :)
[10:49:58] <kim0> dustman_: u think this new version is not going to be installed anyway
[10:50:05] <kim0> is it really broken
[10:50:32] <dustman_> since you waited for hours...
[10:50:49] <kim0> got some IO errors in logs ..
[10:50:55] <kim0> so I'm trying a new disk
[10:50:56] <dustman_> and yes, things tend to break apart once in awhile
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[10:51:10] <kim0> rebooting ...
[10:51:16] <kim0> but this is RC
[10:51:17] <kim0> right
[10:51:22] <kim0> it should be fairly good!
[10:51:31] <dustman_> kim0: checked disk integrity?
[10:51:40] <kim0> md5summed the iso only
[10:51:44] <kim0> not after burning
[10:51:49] <kim0> how do I check after burning
[10:52:13] <comay> kim0, it looks like the hang is actually in the install-finish script
[10:52:29] <comay> if you still have the system in that state, can you see what the process is doing?
[10:52:38] <kim0> comay: how ?
[10:52:56] <comay> again, pstack might help but perhaps just running "ptree"
[10:53:08] <comay> see what child processes are running from the script
[10:53:47] <kim0> comay: http://fpaste.org/paste/8789
[10:54:02] <kim0> comay: I will reboot and try installing to a new USB disk .. ok ?
[10:54:34] <comay> kim0, it's creating the boot-archive
[10:54:38] <kim0> comay: my laptop has 4G ram .. so I don't think the "normal" indexing bug will stop it
[10:54:58] <comay> no, it's not the indexing issue
[10:55:06] <comay> what's running if you use "prstat"
[10:55:20] <kim0> comay: idle
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[10:55:55] <kim0> comay: any idea what was "strings" trying to do ?
[10:55:56] <comay> it looks like there is a gzip process though
[10:56:06] <kim0> grepping my other disk!
[10:56:09] <kim0> that was scary
[10:56:10] <comay> kim0, i'm not aware of the installer running strings
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[10:56:17] <kim0> phew
[10:56:32] <kim0> comay: any other way to install this system .. (text installer)?
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[10:56:59] <comay> kim0, unfortunately not
[10:57:09] <comay> although there will soon be an automated installer
[10:57:13] <kim0> okay ... then I will reboot and try a different USB disk
[10:57:16] <comay> wait
[10:57:21] <kim0> ok
[10:57:21] <kim0> :)
[10:57:31] <comay> can you try this "truss -f -p `pgrep gzip`"
[10:58:07] <iron_angel> Dangit... Does anyone currently maintain XFCE backages that'll work on SXCE? Looks like the XFCE project form opensolaris.org has been unmaintained for a while...
[10:58:13] <iron_angel> *packages
[10:58:17] <kim0> comay: it's juts sitting there .. no output
[10:59:10] <kim0> comay: anything else ?
[10:59:13] <comay> kim0, ok - i just found out where it runs strings
[10:59:16] <comay> just a sec
[10:59:19] <kim0> where
[11:00:07] <comay> in a script called mkmenu
[11:00:13] <comay> it's trying to create the GRUB menu
[11:00:21] <kim0> there were errors btw
[11:00:32] <kim0> for grub getting BIOS disk for my USB disk
[11:01:02] <comay> it's trying to identify a IFS partition as either Windows or OS/2
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[11:01:15] <kim0> <ICT Nov  9 08:19:19> bootadm_update_menu output: bootadm: biosdev command failed for disk: /dev/dsk/c3t0d0s0. <ICT Nov  9 08:19:19> bootadm_update_menu output: bootadm: is_bootdisk(): cannot determine BIOS disk ID 'hd?' for disk: /dev/dsk/c3t0d0s0 <ICT Nov  9 08:19:19> bootadm_update_menu output: bootadm: get_grubroot(): cannot get (hd?,?,?) for menu. menu not on bootdisk: /dev/rdsk/c3t0d0s0
[11:01:16] <comay> what sort of partitions do you have on the system?
[11:01:27] <kim0> windows + LVM linux + ext2/3
[11:01:39] <kim0> plus some weirdo HP recovery partition
[11:02:09] <comay> is the linux stuff in an extended partition?
[11:02:21] <dustman_> iron_angel: check blastwave
[11:02:30] <galen> I'm trying to work out exactly how hotswap under opensolaris is supposed to work. I have opensolaris 2008-11, and i've used many older versions of solaris in the past. I have 12 SATA drives. My experiences with hotswap seem... hit or miss. Sometimes, I swap and everything's great. Other times, i swap and the disk isn't recognized, or something hangs trying to access it.
[11:02:41] <galen> Can anybody tell me how it's "supposed" to work?
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[11:06:07] <iron_angel> dustman_: Those are fairly old, though, 4.2.x when 4.4.x is the latest and has been for some time
[11:06:22] <kim0> comay: not all of it
[11:06:22] <kim0> comay: How does grepping the disk help it ?
[11:06:22] <kim0> can I reboot now :)
[11:06:22] <kim0> comay: if u need a listing of my partitions .. let me know how to get it
[11:07:15] <comay> kim0, it's just trying to identify the IFS partition as either windows or os/2
[11:07:30] <kim0> comay: by grepping the disk .. that's stupid!
[11:08:18] <kim0> comay: think you will need something else before I take a second shot installing to a new disk ?!
[11:08:41] <comay> i agree that it's sub-optimal
[11:08:49] <kenokabe> 200805 snv100 to snv101=200811 failed here
[11:08:49] <comay> i was just looking at another bug report
[11:09:03] <kenokabe> I recommend to use usb image
[11:09:08] <comay> kim0, when you reboot the live cd, don't click the icon
[11:09:16] <kenokabe> to burn new 200811
[11:09:25] <comay> instead, open up a terminal window and perform the following 3 steps
[11:09:26] <kim0> instead ?
[11:09:35] <comay> export LS_DEST=3
[11:09:49] <comay> export LS_DBG_LVL=4
[11:09:53] <comay> gui-install
[11:09:54] <kenokabe> 200811 snv101 is some bug free of 100
[11:10:03] <kim0> okie ... rebooting and will come back
[11:10:06] <comay> that will cause extra debugging to be logged in /tmp/install_log
[11:10:15] <dustman_> iron_angel: you know, you can always make a new version yourself
[11:10:39] <iron_angel> Looks like that's my best course of action, then... Just gotta get me a Solaris 8 build host :)
[11:10:47] <comay> kenokabe, you had an image-update failure?
[11:10:50] <kimc> i installed sxce 101 by first using b98 to partition it ..b99 doesn't work
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[11:11:07] <dustman_> iron_angel: brandz with solaris 8
[11:11:17] <kenokabe> comay, yeah from 100 to 101, certainly failed
[11:11:32] <comay> can you describe or paste the failure?
[11:11:36] <kenokabe> used new usb image, so no problem
[11:11:46] <kenokabe> no, it's gone
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[11:13:43] <e^ipi> installing BSD to diagnose solaris failure :-/
[11:13:52] <e^ipi> this feels silly
[11:14:00] <iron_angel> dustman_: Oooh yeah, almost forgot about that. Thanks for the pointer!
[11:16:02] <kenokabe> seeya
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[11:16:40] <kimc> modified the Acer Aspire One with an additional 512mb of memory, makes b101 on zfs run faster
[11:18:57] <kimc> the video drivers Sun made for the 'One are working although i'm seeing some errors on the console at startup
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[11:21:40] <comay> what sort of errors, kimc
[11:22:03] <kimc> The memory mod requires disassembling to the point of removing the motherboard -after that the memory module just snaps in :)
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[11:23:57] <kimc> i could best describe the errors if i could capture that console text.. guess i could get it by modfying syslog.conf and redirect all the console output
[11:24:13] <kimc> to a file
[11:24:36] <kimc> lemme try that.. be right back
[11:24:55] <kimc> comay: brb
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[11:26:24] <palowoda> comay:  Just curious what does it grep (on kim0's issue) to determine the partition type?
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[11:28:17] <glguy> evocallaghan, You about?
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[11:31:43] <dustman_> hm, I had impression that video drivers in osol are from Xorg and have nothing to do with Sun
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[11:32:26] <comay> palowoda, looks like it greps for "NTFS"
[11:32:49] <comay> dustman_ that
[11:32:53] <comay> dustman_ that's generally correct
[11:33:25] <palowoda> comay: Just wanted to know if it was grepping a raw disk for that info?
[11:33:49] <comay> sig=`strings $rdev 2> /dev/null | head -1 | awk '{ print $1 }'`
[11:33:58] <comay> if [ "$sig" = "NTFS" ] ; then
[11:33:59] <palowoda> Yesh
[11:34:00] <evocallaghan> glguy:Hello
[11:34:24] <evocallaghan> zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped)  /opt/coolstack/bin/ruby script/server -e production
[11:34:29] <palowoda> How about using Moinakg's prtpart program.
[11:34:42] <evocallaghan> Great ! :( All these trackers like trac are junk. :p
[11:34:56] <glguy> evocallaghan, You mentioned some days ago how I should try SXCE and to skip over OpenSolaris. Does that change at all with the new release coming in November or is it still lacking what you like about sxce?
[11:35:31] <evocallaghan> glguy:Depending what your doing, I would still go with SXCE if I was you.
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[11:35:55] <comay> palowoda, that would be great; i hope he'll contribute it as we need better partition handling
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[11:36:17] <evocallaghan> Atleast you can install SS12 and apply Sun's patches. LU works and pkg image-update sometimes works..
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[11:36:49] <Tobbe> I've booted the OSol CD in text console mode. Now it's asking for username/password. Does anyone know what he root password is?
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[11:37:11] <evocallaghan> glguy:I am working on my own distro though. You can catch me in #auroraux on freenode if your interested.
[11:37:45] <comay> Tobbe, opensolaris
[11:37:57] <Tobbe> I tried that, doesn't seem to work
[11:38:01] <dustman_> Tobbe: I think it's 'jack'
[11:38:11] <dustman_> username and password
[11:38:14] <kim0> comay: that new disk is a WD 500GB USB disk ... causes osol to hang looking for it ... I have to power it off for the system to continue booting!
[11:38:25] <comay> root's password is opensolaris but from the console, you'll need to login as user jack, password jack
[11:38:35] <Tobbe> ahh :) thanks
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[11:38:49] <kim0> comay: I might try with the older ipod disk again with DBG set ?
[11:39:36] <e^ipi> comay, that's unfortunate... turns out it is solaris that's refusing to install to my macbook
[11:39:48] <e^ipi> freebsd manages just fine to work with refit
[11:40:06] <e^ipi> ( i didn't bother with linux because I assumed there was some hackery to get it working for that already )
[11:40:31] <comay> e^ipi what sort of error are you seeing
[11:40:56] <e^ipi> can't modify partition table or something to that effect
[11:41:06] <e^ipi> in the logs in either case
[11:41:33] <e^ipi> the installer bails after I point it to a partition to install to
[11:42:51] <e^ipi> i'm going to see if nevada installs on it & then file some bugs
[11:43:19] <comay> thanks e^ipi
[11:43:38] * comay is off to catch some ZZZzzzzzZZzzzzz
[11:44:55] <palowoda> e^ipi: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=279896&#279896
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[11:46:45] <kimc> comay: are you still watching?
[11:47:11] * comay is falling asleep....
[11:47:20] <comay> yes, i'm still here... for a few minutes
[11:47:24] <e^ipi> no sleep for the wicked...
[11:47:32] <kimc> The Acer Aspire One bootup is at: http://pastebin.com/m70bf00df
[11:47:38] <comay> no sleep for the opensolaris sparc port
[11:48:47] <e^ipi> nifty, i thought we still had to wait a while for that
[11:48:54] <comay> kimc, did you get it to graphically boot?
[11:49:01] <kimc> the first error associated with the graphics driver is at around line 136
[11:49:13] <comay> e^ipi, it will likely be in january but we're doing bring up now
[11:49:15] <palowoda> Oh this is that nvidia driver problem.
[11:49:27] <comay> kimc, right; so i assume X didn't start?
[11:49:27] <palowoda> with msi interrupts.
[11:50:15] <e^ipi> well, bugger it all, there's a bug
[11:50:15] <kimc> no actually it starts
[11:50:16] <comay> might need to boot then with "-B disable_nvidia=true"
[11:50:27] <e^ipi> 6413235
[11:55:00] <kimc> the drivers are from: http://blogs.sun.com/oslab/entry/patched_intel_video_drivers_for
[11:56:02] <codestr0m> comay: ^ I have a side question in -meeting unless this is a better place to ask
[12:00:45] <kimc> check that error line number.. its more like line 34
[12:03:20] <palowoda> So is this just a drm problem?
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[12:04:39] <palowoda> By that I mean your graphics is basicly working with 2d hardware excel.
[12:06:38] <eirikb> How can I install VLC? package IPSvlc from Blastwave hangs on "Installing packages...". At least for 20 minutes now. And I don't want to build from sources, as I know that is usualy painful
[12:06:42] <kimc> yes right -2d accel only
[12:08:33] <kimc> it works well though.. no 'zits' on the display or any other obvious timing problems
[12:08:53] <CosmicDJ> eryc: lifewithsolaris
[12:09:24] <CosmicDJ> eryc: sry
[12:09:33] <CosmicDJ> eirikb: lifewithsolaris
[12:09:55] <kimc> wonder if anyone else is seeing this..
[12:09:57] <eirikb> CosmicDJ: authority ?
[12:10:12] <palowoda> kimc: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3582
[12:10:36] <CosmicDJ> eirikb: it's all documented on their website
[12:10:49] <eirikb> CosmicDJ: Ok, thanks :)
[12:10:55] <palowoda> I think david was following up in hte background.
[12:13:37] <kimc> please let me know if i can help with testing
[12:15:05] <kimc> i'll run this more now that the machine has 1.5gb memory rather than the 1 gig where it was a little slugish
[12:16:28] <kim0> the disk I am trying to install to, seems to have bad blocks .. anyway to scan and ignore those bad blocks from the live cd so I can install to it afterwards ?!
[12:17:55] <galen> I'm trying to adjust sharing settings in the GUI on opensolaris 2008-11 and it wants me to assume a role. what's the fastest way to create a simple "everything" or "root" role so I don't have to deal with this?
[12:18:41] <kimc> use the user-management gui to create the user ID
[12:18:51] <kimc> then set the role
[12:19:33] <kimc> you can select from a zillion roles including one thats described as 'able to do all tasks'
[12:19:45] <kimc> or something like that
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[12:20:26] <galen> kimc: yes, it would make sense that out of the box, root would have that, but it seems that would be too *easy*
[12:20:45] <kimc> heh yes
[12:21:26] <eirikb> I've been wondering, doesn't opensolaris have any mirrors for IPS? Or is pkg.opensolaris.org the only one? And the same for the other repositories? I find them kind of slow
[12:24:19] <palowoda> kimc: You know I would bring up the 915 3d problem on the discuss-xwindows list.  And at least some one will know the specific bugid related to that problem.
[12:28:15] <codestr0m> eirikb: IPS has many disadvantages.. and when these issues are brought up... they are argued sometimes on technical merit and sometimes on promises of making it better in the future
[12:28:45] <eirikb> codestr0m: I see. So that is a "no" to my question? :)
[12:29:51] <galen> kimc: i'm trying to use this and despite enabling *everything* i still get permissions errors
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[12:31:12] <codestr0m> eirikb: which region are you in?
[12:31:19] <galen> kimc: can you be more specific what UI I should be enabling everything in?
[12:31:22] <codestr0m> I assume eu
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[12:33:11] <galen> "You are not authorized to perform this action. Select a user or role with the proper authorization"
[12:33:20] <eirikb> codestr0m: Eu
[12:33:23] <galen> I give it my credentials. It gives me the same dialog. We repeat over and over.
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[12:34:27] <galen> I've gone into System -> Administration -> Users & Groups and enabled everything for me
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[12:41:26] <galen> somebody, could you please tell me how to simply take my user and give it ALL roles
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[12:47:59] <CosmicDJ> galen: grep root /etc/user_attr
[12:48:01] <CosmicDJ> ?
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[12:49:04] <galen> root::::type=role;auths=solaris.*,solaris.grant;profiles=All;lock_after_retries=no;min_label=admin_low;clearance=admin_high
[12:49:21] <CosmicDJ> galen: and $ roles   ?
[12:49:31] <galen> huh?
[12:49:34] <CosmicDJ> the cmd
[12:49:51] <galen> No roles
[12:50:00] <palowoda> man roles
[12:50:13] <palowoda> man user_attr
[12:50:33] <CosmicDJ> galen: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-3321/rbactask-20?a=view ; this is for Solaris10, but maybe I'll get you started...
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[12:52:57] <galen> great.
[12:53:51] <galen> somehow, in my attempts to grant myself roles in users and groups, i have taken them all away and i can't even login or su as root
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[12:54:09] <galen> now, with no root access, i can't do anything
[12:54:27] <galen> i have locked myself out of my own system. i feel both intelligent and secure.
[12:55:02] <dustman_> you still can read email and use irc
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[12:57:49] <codestr0m> wow.. yet another satisfied customer.. congratulations team! <sarcasm />
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[12:59:03] <hrist> you forgot the "next!" ;p
[12:59:06] <palowoda> Now serving number 9.
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[12:59:19] <galen> my computer had a power failure, ugh
[12:59:27] <galen> i lost the link(s) that were sent
[12:59:35] <codestr0m> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-3321/rbactask-20?a=view
[12:59:46] <codestr0m> galen: ^
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[13:00:06] <galen> i am locked out of my own system now. it seems that when i tried to give myself rights in the users & accounts GUI, it ended up revoking my ability to use root.
[13:00:19] <codestr0m> galen: livecd to the rescue
[13:00:25] <kimc> back in here now..
[13:00:44] <kimc> palowada: will bring up the problem on the X11 list, thanks
[13:01:14] <dustman_> http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/4077-Less-known-Solaris-features-RBAC-and-Privileges.html
[13:01:31] <galen> can the livecd reset the password? the thing is, it's not even the password i need to reset, it's some fucking role issue
[13:02:00] <kimc> galen: login to the gui as root or from the login window select 'command line login' and login as root there
[13:02:23] <galen> I can't log into the GUI as root. I have not tried the CLI, trying now
[13:02:24] <CosmicDJ> kimc: there is no root user anymore on opensolaris 2008.xy
[13:02:30] <dustman_> kimc: there's no root on opensolaris
[13:02:32] <galen> oh
[13:02:35] <codestr0m> galen: what the live cd can do is give you a last resort way to mount the partition and unchange/fix.
[13:02:39] <kimc> ok i see..
[13:02:42] <codestr0m> if in fact you locked the "keys in the car"
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[13:02:58] <dustman_> and you need to use newer livecd
[13:03:08] <galen> newer???
[13:03:19] <galen> this is 2008-11 RC1. i don't think anything newer exists.
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[13:03:33] <galen> what do i do once i'm into the live CD?
[13:03:38] <dustman_> that's ok
[13:03:44] <kimc> that explains why i couldn't login to the 2008.11 rc1 off a flash stick yesterday
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[13:04:22] <kimc> btw, what is the login on the 2008.11 rc?
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[13:04:39] <galen> how do i fix the problem from the live disc? and how am i supposed to *properly* give myself UNLIMITED roles with 2008.11?
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[13:05:20] <kimc> yeh uh.. nobody said this Opensolaris stuff was easy :/
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[13:06:33] <dustman_> galen: you can try and google for you exact problem, or read tutorial, re-create 'root' role and give it to your user
[13:07:03] <galen> I have been googling for "how to give user unlimited roles"... no useful hits
[13:07:10] <kimc> thats a good question.. if theres no root then whats the superuser personna?
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[13:07:31] <galen> you can get root by doing su once i logged in
[13:07:39] <galen> I just thought "Oh, great, it looks like they have a nice comprehensive GUI, it will save me all the PITA of editing the files by hand."
[13:07:46] <CosmicDJ> kimc: there's no root "user", but there's a root "role"
[13:08:14] <CosmicDJ> kimc: the user created when installing 2008.xy can do root stuff with pfexec/pfsh etc.
[13:08:20] <dustman_> kimc: closest familiar thing is 'sudo
[13:08:36] <kimc> ah i see.. i dont do sudu :)
[13:08:50] <dustman_> I prefer it to su
[13:08:50] <galen> but, the user is NOT in the sudoers file
[13:09:12] <dustman_> pfexec != sudo
[13:09:16] <kimc> so you can boot up in single-user more?
[13:09:20] <kimc> mode?
[13:09:27] <galen> i don't know how
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[13:09:37] <galen> the directions i saw on google didn't work
[13:10:05] <CosmicDJ> kimc: IIRC root login works on the console (and just there)
[13:10:24] <dustman_> http://www.google.dk/search?q=boot+single+user+mode+opensolaris&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[13:11:10] <galen> the bootloader does not initialize my usb keyboard.
[13:11:17] <kimc> on this b101 installation there isn't an option in the gui login window (gdm?) for a 'command line' login
[13:12:38] <kimc> so if the installation has gdm enabled you can't preemp the startup of the gui system -that i know of..
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[13:12:55] <galen> i have no problem with that
[13:13:05] <galen> the GUI doesn't load off the live disc due to faulty nvidia drivers
[13:13:44] <kimc> CosmicDJ: how do you get a console login on present-day Opensolaris?
[13:13:48] <galen> ok, jack has now assumed the root role off the live disc.
[13:14:09] <kimc> nice
[13:14:19] <galen> i don't know what file(s) need to be edited, or how, on my master volume to fix this fuckup.
[13:14:41] <galen> i was considering rm -rf in frustration, but i would rather not go through the hassle of redoing it all
[13:15:29] <kimc> what is jack's password?
[13:15:47] <galen> jack
[13:15:50] <kimc> ok
[13:16:12] <kimc> i tried that yesterday but it wouldn't work
[13:16:38] <galen> the password when you su into root is opensoaris
[13:16:49] <kimc> ok thanks
[13:16:51] <galen> ok, i have my boot zpool all mounted. what am i supposed to edit to fix this?
[13:17:52] <kimc> Opensolaris needs a crib sheet available on the download page for those of us who aren't 'tapped in' to the latest changes
[13:18:17] <galen> I'd settle for what file it stores the roles and crap in
[13:18:23] <kimc> sure
[13:19:05] <swankier> I wish there were an lwn.net for OpenSolaris
[13:19:58] <galen> I'm stuck here. What am I supposed to edit???
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[13:20:28] <kimc> hmm lets see.. google: opensolaris no more root
[13:21:32] <galen> codestr0m: i have a live CD in, my boot drive zpool mounted... what am i supposed to do now?
[13:22:57] <swankier> galen: what are you trying to do?
[13:22:59] <dustman_> galen: have you checked c0t0d0s0.org's tutorial?
[13:23:19] <galen> I am locked out of my system.
[13:23:49] <galen> I want to give my galen user full root role capabilities so I can use the file sharing GUI.
[13:24:48] <galen> dustman_: i don't see an applicable tutorial, do you?
[13:25:19] <galen> the problem is that when i gave the galen user the ability to do everything (or so i thought), i somehow lost the ability to do... anything.
[13:25:22] <dustman_> http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/4074-Less-known-Solaris-features-RBAC-and-Privileges-Part-2-Role-based-access-control.html
[13:26:35] <galen> that's nice, but it's useless to me when i have no roles and i'm the only user on the system.
[13:27:01] <dustman_> root::::type=role;auths=solaris.*,solaris.grant;profiles=All;lock_after_retries=no;min_label=admin_low;clearance=admin_high
[13:27:24] <galen> dustman_: that looks like it's all of everything. where do i put that?
[13:27:40] <dustman_> galen: are you stupid or what?
[13:27:45] <dustman_> can't you read?
[13:28:10] * twisti listens
[13:28:16] <dustman_> this is not fucking windows or mac where you might expect ready answers
[13:28:42] <galen> the issue is that i am booting off the live disc right now.
[13:30:21] <kimc> so root:::: etc is in /etc/passwd?
[13:30:45] <dustman_> it is in /etc/user_attr
[13:30:55] <kimc> thanks
[13:31:09] <kimc> galen: did you copy that?
[13:31:43] <dustman_> man {roleadd,roles,rbac,roledelete}
[13:31:48] <dustman_> apropos roles
[13:32:07] <dustman_> and even easier, read a link to c0t0d0s0.org
[13:32:15] <galen> hold on, i see what is wrong here, i thought the zpool import automatically mounted rpool
[13:32:24] <galen> instead, it seems the live disc has its own rpool
[13:32:32] <galen> i was trying to figure out where the files were
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[13:58:26] <galen> when i mount up rpool, it seems to not contain the same paths as when i'm booted into the OS. i can only imagine the OS somehow unfurls; can anybody clarify?
[13:59:41] <xRaich[o]2x> did you try to use another root with the -R option?
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[14:00:20] <kim0> xRaich[o]2x: great comment you left on my blog :)
[14:00:35] <codestr0m> twisti: you seeing what's going on here?
[14:00:43] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: that was you? :D
[14:00:51] <kim0> yep hehe
[14:00:58] <xRaich[o]2x> haha cool we should link :)
[14:01:07] <xRaich[o]2x> i just read the slashdot article
[14:01:14] <kim0> yeah .. I posted it ..
[14:01:20] <kim0> first time to public blog like that
[14:01:28] <codestr0m> kim0: what's your blog?
[14:01:41] <twisti> codestr0m, Yes.
[14:01:44] <twisti> :-/
[14:01:45] <kim0> codestr0m: http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2008/11/opensolaris-200811-pre-release-suspends.html
[14:02:25] <kim0> now if only it would install on the USB iPod .. I'd blog the second shot .. hehe
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[14:02:43] <kim0> I'm running badblocks now from Linux to scrub the disk
[14:02:55] <codestr0m> twisti: more and more I think there should be some code of conduct for around here.. I mean. I screw up just as well as anyone else.. I just like to think my patience is a bit higher
[14:03:48] <twisti> That would be really good.
[14:03:57] <kim0> xRaich[o]2x: was freaking surprisd /. put my email on public like that !!
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[14:04:53] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: ^^
[14:05:07] <kim0> gonna contact em
[14:05:56] <galen> xRaich[o]2x: yes
[14:06:15] <xRaich[o]2x> i hope my new laptop is coming tomorrow, this one has some driver issues and i reported a few bugs yesterday
[14:06:33] <kim0> xRaich[o]2x: model ?
[14:06:50] <xRaich[o]2x> galen: thinkpad sl500 worked good in the store i tested the livecd
[14:07:00] <xRaich[o]2x> ups i mean kim0
[14:07:14] <kim0> good way to test !
[14:07:16] <kim0> nice
[14:07:23] <twisti> kim0, May I ask if you get any audio out of your jacks?
[14:07:39] <kim0> twisti: jacks ?
[14:07:42] <kim0> headphones ?
[14:07:43] <vmlemon_> Hi, does some sort of Bluetooth packet dumping tool exist on (Open)Solaris, similar to hcidump on Linux, out of interest?
[14:07:47] <kim0> the normal speakers work
[14:07:50] <codestr0m> twisti: are you using the oss drivers?
[14:07:56] <twisti> kim0, They do?
[14:07:59] <kim0> twisti: did not test headphones
[14:08:02] <xRaich[o]2x> the only issues was that audio just works with headphones but that bug is fixed in build 103
[14:08:06] <kim0> twisti: yeah .. youtube was playing loud
[14:08:08] <twisti> No, I want to use the audiohd.
[14:08:26] <xRaich[o]2x> twisti: does it work with headphones?
[14:08:30] <twisti> No it doesn't.
[14:08:33] <xRaich[o]2x> hrm
[14:08:35] <kim0> twisti: isnt the default driver audiohd ?
[14:08:39] <twisti> Maybe it's related to Apple's way to use the jacks.
[14:08:52] <kim0> twisti: how can I switch to that ?
[14:09:10] <twisti> I had some correspondence with a Sun developer and he said digital output should work.
[14:09:50] <twisti> I have a MacBook Pro (and had a Mac mini before) and the output jack is in digital mode (SPDIF) when there is a red light coming out of it.
[14:10:03] <kim0> when is this project Boomer gonna appear
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[14:11:14] <twisti> kim0, What jacks do you have?
[14:11:19] <twisti> (how many)
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[14:13:36] <kim0> twisti: mic line headphones ?
[14:14:32] <twisti> I have line-in and output.
[14:14:43] <kim0> no mic ? :)
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[14:20:11] <twisti> kim0, There is a mic somewhere, I guess right beside the iSight and it seems to work.
[14:20:32] <twisti> But I can't get any output from the jacks.
[14:20:42] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: you should publish your article on distrowatch.com ;)
[14:20:48] <twisti> With OSS the audio comes out of the line-in jack.
[14:20:59] <twisti> It's all very strange.
[14:22:07] <vmlemon_> It's Sun Quality Engineering(TM) ;)
[14:22:17] <norman> iirc and if I understood correctly how HD audio works, the jacks can be used for anything you want - controlled by software.
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[14:25:14] <kim0> xRaich[o]2x: really .. I dont read that much ..
[14:25:28] <twisti> norman, Actually a good idea, but it does not work with audiohd.
[14:25:31] <kim0> read it*
[14:25:44] <kim0> :)
[14:25:49] <norman> Okay, then forget what i just said ;)
[14:26:00] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: just to spread the word ;)
[14:26:25] <xRaich[o]2x> it's a good article so give it a try maybe they will publish it
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[14:26:36] <kim0> xRaich[o]2x: might do that ..
[14:26:41] <leleobhz> how can i install the mercurial into opensolaris
[14:27:14] <xRaich[o]2x> leleobhz: pkg install SUNWmercurial
[14:27:59] <leleobhz> xRaich[o]2x: thanks!
[14:28:03] <kim0> xRaich[o]2x: does osol have some decent video players ?
[14:28:04] <xRaich[o]2x> leleobhz: no problem
[14:28:12] * leleobhz ask why pkg search mercurial dont return notting
[14:28:12] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: sure
[14:28:14] <codestr0m> leleobhz: you can also find what package you need by using pkg search [-r for remote] foo
[14:28:27] <kim0> xRaich[o]2x: I need to add blastwave eh ?
[14:28:31] <codestr0m> leleobhz: is also supports wildcards such as "*hg*"
[14:28:37] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: http://lifewithsolaris.jp/modules/packages/index.php?content_id=3
[14:28:42] <kim0> thanks
[14:28:45] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: nope lifewithsolaris ;)
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[14:29:15] <leleobhz> codestr0m: hmmm, nice
[14:29:20] <kim0> cool !
[14:29:39] <plavcik> my newly installed OpenSolaris snv_98 32-bit is stop respondig 3 minutes after boot (empty floppy drive is starting ligting at that time), where I can track this (syslog is no help there), booting in safe mode is working fine
[14:30:52] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: they also host qt4 packages. pretty cool if you programm with that lib :)
[14:31:09] <kim0> ah .. I played with pyQt for a while
[14:31:18] <kim0> I'm mostly a non developer though
[14:31:37] <xRaich[o]2x> yep used pyqt when i was doing stuff for kubuntu
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[14:32:23] <kim0> I'm a bit confused if the CDDL world is truely free .. i.e. if Sun decides to stop helping 2 years from now .... can the project continue as normal (aside from loosing important devs) ?
[14:32:37] <_mary_kate_> kim0: yes, CDDL is an OSI approved license
[14:32:53] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: i don't see any problems there
[14:32:59] <kim0> I'm pretty sure any Linux vendor can die and it will continue
[14:33:06] <kim0> just wanted to make sure about osol
[14:33:17] <kim0> since Sun is not too strong these days anyway :P
[14:33:40] <vmlemon_> Feel free to squirrel the code away Somewhere Safe, if you're concerned
[14:34:06] <kim0> so every single bit of the distro is open
[14:34:10] <kim0> that's relieving
[14:34:15] <vmlemon_> (It's open source, and they release complete tarballs of binaries and source often)
[14:34:16] <_mary_kate_> kim0: no
[14:34:23] <kim0> _mary_kate_: tell me more
[14:34:23] <_mary_kate_> kim0: that's not what you asked, you asked if the CDDL depends on sun
[14:34:37] <_mary_kate_> the parts which aren't open source are not CDDL liensed
[14:34:49] <kim0> _mary_kate_: I'm mostly asking if Sun dies/disappears .. can we continue
[14:35:06] <xRaich[o]2x> you can actually build a running distro with the code there is just some minor stuff that is closed. and afaik that isn't vital
[14:35:09] <kim0> _mary_kate_: and those parts are inside osol 2008.11 for example ?
[14:35:09] <vmlemon_> It's like Mozilla - if they stopped running, all Firefox source code wouldn't just vanish or be rendered legally unusable
[14:35:26] <_mary_kate_> 2008.05 only contains the binary redistributable components
[14:35:36] <_mary_kate_> which could be rewritten if someone put the time into it
[14:35:48] <kim0> any idea which parts are not open yet ?
[14:35:59] <Gekz> if a company disappears completely, you can annex their code without legal recourse
[14:36:02] <Gekz> because there's no trademark holder
[14:36:03] <vmlemon_> There's a list on the website
[14:36:04] <Gekz> :D
[14:36:08] <vmlemon_> Heh
[14:36:12] <_mary_kate_> Gekz: that doesn't help for the parts that aren't open source
[14:36:18] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: um.. check the emancipation project :P if it just stopped tomorrow.. there would be a heacache.. probably not a show stopper, but still. would take effort
[14:36:21] <_mary_kate_> Gekz: and the parts that _are_ open source are CDDL anyway
[14:36:30] <Gekz> _mary_kate_: reverse engineering doesnt hurt always
[14:36:39] <Gekz> Appendix A: OpenTTD
[14:36:42] <kim0> and you guys dont really care not all of it is opened ?
[14:36:45] <_mary_kate_> i don't think any of those parts require reverse engineering
[14:36:52] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: yeah i know that project
[14:36:57] <_mary_kate_> they're either device drivers for already well-known hardware, or they implement public APIs
[14:37:34] <kim0> if we're talking stuff like nvidia drivers .. that should be ok!
[14:37:44] <_mary_kate_> no, the nvidia drivers are developed by nvidia
[14:37:47] <vmlemon_> kim0: It'd be nice if every single part was fully open, although that'll take quite some time
[14:38:50] <dustman_> kim0: open source usually means your hardware continue to work after official eol
[14:38:52] <kim0> http://opensolaris.org/os/about/no_source/
[14:39:44] <kim0> man pages! lol
[14:39:52] <leleobhz> someone know a basic documentation about solaris/opensolaris in pdf format?
[14:39:55] <kim0> well.. yeah they don't seem critical
[14:40:24] <kim0> JDS .. come'on it's freaking gnome .. what are they hiding
[14:40:29] <_mary_kate_> leleobhz: docs.sun.com
[14:40:47] <leleobhz> _mary_kate_: in pdf/
[14:40:52] * leleobhz want to print it
[14:40:52] <_mary_kate_> leleobhz: docs.sun.com
[14:40:56] <xRaich[o]2x> yeah pdf
[14:40:57] <vmlemon_> As long as a major ABI change doesn't happen, the closed bits should continue to function in the future
[14:41:19] <xRaich[o]2x> leleobhz: you can download everything as pdf
[14:41:26] <leleobhz> can i presume same documentation for opensolaris is valid for solaris/
[14:41:39] <_mary_kate_> there's documentation for opensolaris?
[14:41:40] <leleobhz> e.g. to study for solaris 10 certifications
[14:42:00] <dustman_> abi changes? binaries from solaris 8 still work on 10
[14:42:05] <_mary_kate_> if you want to take an S10 exam, you would be an idiot to read documentation for a different OS or version
[14:42:18] <leleobhz> _mary_kate_: i agree
[14:42:24] <_mary_kate_> dustman_: that's only guaranteed, especially for drivers (which lots of the closed bits are) if they use public, supported APIs
[14:42:48] <leleobhz> ive tryed to install solaris 10 im my machine, but it dont like my machine and crashes before the uname after bootloader
[14:43:19] <leleobhz> _mary_kate_: i want to read the documentation and have a environment to test, so i want to virtualize solaris over opensolaris (if its possible)
[14:43:26] <leleobhz> but find documentation is very hard
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[15:00:41] <leleobhz> opensolaris x oss-hg: http://paste.milk-it.net/980
[15:00:54] <leleobhz> someone can help?
[15:01:11] <leleobhz> (dont exist the package SUNWprivate_4.2 in pkg..)
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[15:09:43] <leleobhz> opensolaris dont have a ldconfig?
[15:10:00] <Stric> no
[15:10:08] <Stric> man crle
[15:10:39] <leleobhz> Stric: act like this/
[15:10:49] <leleobhz> because im getting trouble with library linking
[15:11:45] <leleobhz> ld.so.1: ld: fatal: libld.so.4: version `SUNWprivate_4.2' not found (required by file /usr/bin/ld)
[15:13:41] <plavcik> shall 2008.11 candidate accept console=ttya for installation over serial line? (as parametr in grub)
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[15:38:00] <wokolad> hello.I want to mount iso image using lofiadm.But it says that "file is not a multiple of 512". What to do?
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[15:49:42] * xRaich[o]2x wants zfs on windows *sigh*
[15:49:59] <xRaich[o]2x> i'd get rid of all my vfat usb sticks
[15:53:41] * vmlemon_ is surprised that no-one's attempted to port it
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[15:59:57] * evocallaghan is sick of all this bull crap ware done in Ruby on Rails and Python
[16:00:20] <evocallaghan> Anyone know of a PHP solution that is similar to redmine or trac ?
[16:01:04] <_mary_kate_> why does it have to be php?
[16:01:22] <codestr0m> leleobhz: what are you trying to build.. and you almost certainly want to avoid using crle directly..  -L and -R are the needed linking flags you probably need
[16:01:43] <codestr0m> (if you're using sun cc/ld)
[16:01:46] <evocallaghan> Becuase it works and does not require extra run time and dep crap that is not already in the coolstack..
[16:02:43] <dustman_> hm.. file manager stopped working
[16:02:57] <evocallaghan> _mary_kate_:each of these little apps has there own little crappy webserver done in ruby/python as well.
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[16:03:12] <dustman_> what's process name for FM in gnome?
[16:03:44] <evocallaghan> gnome-nautilus
[16:03:52] <dustman_> evocallaghan: ty
[16:04:00] <evocallaghan> np
[16:06:02] <dustman_> can't open new file management panel
[16:06:38] <dustman_> any ideas on how to fix that w/o restarting X?
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[16:07:27] <kim0> dustman_: pkill gnome-nautilus && nautilus &
[16:07:30] <kim0> maybe
[16:08:55] <dustman_> oh.. kill -9 PID<nautilus> worked
[16:08:58] <dustman_> ty kim0
[16:10:32] <leleobhz> [09/11-13:02:50] < codestr0m> leleobhz: what are you trying to build.. and you almost certainly want to avoid using crle directly..  -L and -R are the needed linking flags you probably need
[16:10:42] * leleobhz trying to build oss from hg
[16:11:11] <leleobhz> but my problem now is bigger because pkg decides to install some library that "fork" the root pool
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[16:11:26] <codestr0m> leleobhz: there's binaries available I'm pretty sure.. that's highly recommended.. anything beyond that will almost certainly be much more work than expected
[16:11:38] <leleobhz> and now i cant avoid the system-archive warning (and pkg image-update is running updating entire system)
[16:11:48] <leleobhz> codestr0m: binaries dont work well with me
[16:12:01] <codestr0m> leleobhz: because of religion or technical reasons?
[16:12:06] * leleobhz have oss 4.1rc2 compiled on linux @ audigy and 4.0 1016 dont work very well
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[16:12:24] <leleobhz> technical, 4.0 works worst than 4.1 in audigy/sblive boards
[16:13:06] <leleobhz> now pkg is updating the system and i have 2 entries on grub :]
[16:13:36] <gothos> oss on linux sucks anyway
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[16:13:54] <leleobhz> gothos: sucks less than alsa!
[16:14:09] <leleobhz> alsa dont like my audigy, make it noisy and with low volume
[16:14:15] <codestr0m> leleobhz: well. depending how determined you are.. realize you may end up rendering your system unbootable if you happen to corrupt your boot archive.. which if I had to guess probably will happen if you compile OSS drivers and try to install them manually
[16:14:23] <leleobhz> with oss 4.1 i got no noise, even with high volumes
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[16:14:43] <leleobhz> codestr0m: oss installer claims  fro libld that dont exists
[16:14:53] <leleobhz> have a bug like this but i dont know what to to yet
[16:15:09] <leleobhz> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3008
[16:15:42] <leleobhz> is happening EXACTLY as Roman said in this bug report
[16:16:21] <leleobhz> (and pkg is creating plan... more than 30 minutes)
[16:16:29] <codestr0m> leleobhz: ok. how are you trying to compile. what tools.. etc.. pkgbuild/pkgtool.. are you following some instructions.. or just dl the source and go?
[16:17:11] <leleobhz> hg clone http://mercurial.opensound.com oss-hg ; mkdir oss-compile ; cd oss-compile ; ../oss-hg/configure
[16:17:13] <codestr0m> if I had to guess.. I'd say you're using the wrong ld
[16:17:30] <leleobhz> codestr0m: but why if its a fresh CD install?
[16:17:32] * leleobhz confused
[16:17:46] <codestr0m> leleobhz: type "which ld"
[16:18:01] <leleobhz> ..., let me come back to default entry
[16:18:22] <codestr0m> leleobhz: from the cli. just type "which ld" and tell me what it returns
[16:18:29] <codestr0m> this may be something like adjusting your path
[16:18:42] <codestr0m> I'll try to reproduce locally
[16:18:46] <leleobhz> let me try
[16:18:57] <leleobhz> a momment
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[16:20:13] <leleobhz> UAHuHAuHAuHAuHUha
[16:20:21] <leleobhz> default entry comes me a panic...
[16:20:22] <leleobhz> nice
[16:21:38] <codestr0m> leleobhz: ok. this works me and only dies cause I'm missing some header.. Cannot locate <sys/usb/usba.h> otherwise it's rolling. I assume this is a PATH issue until you tell me which ld you're trying to use
[16:22:45] <leleobhz> codestr0m: see this: http://zorg.leleobhz.org/dsc00082.jpg
[16:22:58] <leleobhz> if i boot first option, i get a panic, if i boot second:
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[16:24:03] <codestr0m> leleobhz: well. depending how determined you are.. realize you may end up rendering your system unbootable if you happen to corrupt your boot archive.. which if I had to guess probably will happen if you compile OSS drivers and try to install them manually
[16:24:16] <leleobhz> codestr0m: http://zorg.leleobhz.org/dsc00083.jpg
[16:24:34] <leleobhz> ^----------- how can i solve this?
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[17:17:12] <codestr0m> are only libs which are signed supposed to go in /usr/lib/security or is there some other significance for it?
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[17:18:24] <xRaich[o]2x> can anybody tell me where to get additional networkdrivers for solaris?
[17:18:38] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: don't like e1000 ?
[17:18:39] <codestr0m> ;)
[17:19:09] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: someone in #opensolaris-de is asking for drivers that don't come with os2008xx
[17:19:13] <codestr0m> I think belenix includes some additional drivers, but unsure of further details and 99% sure not the one you're looking for
[17:20:06] <codestr0m> nbsd and fbsd are license compatible to the best of my understanding, but would require porting and may not meet engineering QA
[17:20:31] <leleobhz> codestr0m: my case today is EOL. ive missed up my bios. ill rewrite it with a eeprom writer
[17:24:51] <kimc> i've got os200811.usb installed on a usb stick -does it allow installation once its booted?
[17:25:45] <kimc> if so, i can boot it to a shell but can't find how to start the installation syste,
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[17:28:13] <codestr0m> kimc: there's no cli installer.. you'll need to boot into graphical mode if you want to install os2008*
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[17:31:11] <kimc> ok thanks.. not in the cards for an install on the Aspire One unless theres a way to supply the additional network drivers after 2008.11 loads
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[17:32:50] <swankier> leleobhz: first hit in google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=%22failed+with+exit+status+95%22+grub+opensolaris&btnG=Search
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[17:54:04] <_mary_kate_> has anyone noticed 'zfs snapshot' stalling NFS clients?
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[18:21:19] <hajma> Hi, is the suspend to RAM feature described at http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2008/11/opensolaris-200811-pre-release-suspends.html supposed to work with the live CD or do I have to install it first?
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[18:52:54] <kim0> comay: r u here ?
[18:53:19] <kim0> Installed 2008.11 and upon booting I only get grub shell .. any help ?!
[18:55:08] <Plazma> bootloader most likley got corrupted on install
[18:55:26] <kim0> can u help me reinstall grub or something please ?
[18:55:34] <Plazma> i forgot the process to recover it.. let me see what i can dig up
[18:55:46] <kim0> I'm booted from CD now and have the zpool imported (-f)
[18:56:13] <Plazma> well that prooves your zpool works :/
[18:56:20] <Plazma> but without the OS.. heh
[18:56:24] <kim0> hehe
[18:56:31] <kim0> I guess I need to reinstall grub somehow
[18:56:50] <kim0> I'm scrubbing the zpool as well
[18:56:53] <kim0> looks good!
[18:57:39] <kim0> why is it that rpool/ROOT/opensolaris wants to mount on /a ... and doesn't auto-mount
[18:58:05] <Plazma> kim0,  http://www.cims.nyu.edu/cgi-comment/man.cgi?section=1M&topic=installgrub .. this may help you
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[18:58:20] <kim0> okie
[18:58:38] <Plazma> read through it and get an idea of what you may need to do at least
[18:59:11] <kim0> Plazma: is it normal for that pool to want to mount on /a ?
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[19:01:39] <Plazma> i wouldn't think so considering what mount /a is primarily used for
[19:02:09] <Plazma> i haven't done much wiht zpools and zfs in a while though
[19:02:45] <twisti> kim0, Installed OSS now, output works like on Mac mini (line-in jack), but the mic does not (it worked with audiohd, IIRC).
[19:03:14] <kim0> oh!
[19:03:53] <twisti> When I started Ekiga there was this mic check and I think it worked.
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[19:14:06] <comay> kim0, try to reboot - we've heard reports that importing the pool fixes this issue
[19:14:15] <kim0> comay: ok I will try that now
[19:14:22] <kim0> comay: one other thing though..
[19:14:37] <kim0> If I enter the command "findroot (pool_rpool,0,a)
[19:14:41] <kim0> manually in grub .. it fails
[19:14:46] <kim0> what does that mean!
[19:16:02] <kim0> comay: The strange part is .. rpool/ROOT/opensolaris wants to mount on /a
[19:16:17] <kim0> is that normal in anyway ?
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[19:16:28] <comay> we're not supporting findroot in indiana at the moment
[19:16:44] <kim0> doh! Then why did the installer write that ?!
[19:16:51] <kim0> this is in my menu.lst
[19:17:23] <kim0> comay: How should I attempt to boot then!
[19:17:24] <comay> when you booted the cd and imported the boot, did you run any other commands related to grub?
[19:17:25] <_mary_kate_> what nevada build is S10 5/08's zfs based on?
[19:17:53] <kim0> comay: no ... I am now booting from CD and have the pool impored
[19:18:02] <kim0> comay: no other grub commands
[19:18:19] <kim0> comay: actually I've seen the same menu.lst while the installer was working!
[19:18:38] <Stric> _mary_kate_: they're at zpool version 10 at least..
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[19:19:00] <_mary_kate_> really?  my 'zpool upgrade' claims version 4
[19:19:21] <kim0> comay: what the "supported" way to boot then ? Perhaps I can type into grub to boot manually ?
[19:20:10] <Stric> _mary_kate_: ah, sorry.. yes.. 5/08 is 4.. 10/08 is 10
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[19:24:25] <comay> kim0, let's step back.  you did the install, clicked reboot and ended up with with the grub prompt
[19:24:31] <comay> right?
[19:24:58] <kim0> comay: yes exactly .. as a bonus I did the install with the DBG options u mentioned earlier
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[19:25:49] <Stric> _mary_kate_: yes
[19:26:14] <Stric> _mary_kate_: although, changing the prefetch block size is not.. well.. it's safe in one direction..
[19:26:27] <_mary_kate_> Stric: i notice the si wiki claims that will crash the system ;)
[19:26:31] <comay> if you boot the live cd again, open a term and type "pfexec rpool import -f rpool" does the pool import?
[19:26:41] <Stric> _mary_kate_: I've messed a whole lot with it, no crash
[19:26:44] <kim0> comay: Yes it does, I am in this state now
[19:26:57] <_mary_kate_> Stric: the block size, not the prefetch
[19:26:59] <comay> ls there a /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst?
[19:27:19] <kim0> comay: Yes
[19:27:20] <Stric> _mary_kate_: but changing the prefetch size from lower to higher means it will use a for instance 16k block as if it was a 32k block
[19:27:32] <Stric> vdev prefetch I think.. was a while since I did this..
[19:27:54] <Stric> _mary_kate_: but disabling/enabling it is pretty safe from what I've seen
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[19:28:30] <kim0> comay: on a side note .. where can I see the gui-install code ?
[19:29:01] <Plazma> kim0,  ohh your doing zfs boot
[19:29:21] <kim0> yeah! that's the default not?! with 2008.11
[19:29:36] <Plazma> heh,well i think i boarded the failboat already this morning
[19:29:44] <kim0> hehe
[19:30:00] <_mary_kate_> Stric: hmm, i think vdev prefetching is going to make more difference here
[19:30:11] <_mary_kate_> maybe i should upgrade to U6, i see it's fixed a bit there
[19:32:25] <comay> kim0, ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/caiman/slim_source
[19:32:57] <comay> kim0, since importing via the live cd, have you tried to boot of the hard disk again?
[19:33:10] <kim0> comay: since menu.lst exists there .. I should be getting the grub menu, even if the main system dataset is pointing to /a erroneously ?
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[19:33:41] <kim0> well .. no after importing I did not try again
[19:35:19] <kim0> comay: assuming it doesn't boot ... should I try anything else on the grub shell ?
[19:36:11] <comay> yes, i can give you that
[19:40:41] <kim0> heh .. my problem : http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=81938&tstart=0
[19:40:44] <kim0> seems to be common
[19:41:39] <kim0> once more http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=81739&tstart=30
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[19:43:28] <kim0> comay: ping .. waiting for those grub commands
[19:43:58] <Plazma> ....
[19:44:05] <Plazma> patience is a virtue
[19:45:00] * kim0 climbs a mountain and sits down in an ancient Chinese chair ...
[19:45:56] <comay> sorry, so rebooting still resulted in a grub> menu?
[19:46:10] <kim0> I didn't try that yet ...
[19:46:21] <kim0> I was waiting for other grub commands to try if that fails
[19:46:30] <kim0> coz rebooting from CD is sooo slow :D
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[19:46:49] <kim0> comay: I believe it will fail .. coz I tried it this morning
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[19:47:17] <comay> you tried it after reimporting the pool off the live cd?
[19:47:36] <kim0> in the morning yes .. but not yet now
[19:47:52] <kim0> could u let me know what grub commands I can use if simple rebooting doesn't help
[19:47:58] <comay> i don't understand why reimporting the pool would make a difference but several people reported it helped
[19:48:12] <kim0> comay: maybe coz it needs "-f" to import
[19:48:23] <kim0> it somehow imagines it was belonging to another system!
[19:48:48] <comay> right, because the hostid of the newly booted live cd differs from thatof the pool
[19:48:58] <comay> could you try to reboot again?
[19:49:19] <kim0> well ok
[19:49:22] <kim0> bye
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[19:59:41] <mib_vefdb9> comay: back .. didn't help
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[20:00:08] <kim0> comay: that was me
[20:02:01] <comay> are you at the grub> prompt?
[20:02:12] <kim0> not now ?!
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[20:02:18] <kim0> I'm using this laptop now
[20:02:24] <kim0> so I rebooted from CD
[20:02:45] <kim0> comay: if u want .. I can switch to another machine
[20:03:17] <comay> sorry, i'm confused; on the machine that you said didn't work, where is that machine now?
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[20:03:34] <kim0> comay: this is the same machine I am talking from now
[20:03:47] <kim0> I reboot test .. reboot from CD to come here
[20:04:55] <kim0> comay: but if u want me to use a different PC to talk .. I could
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[20:09:09] <chrisaw> What is the on-disk size of an opensolaris installation?
[20:09:43] <comay> kim0, ok i think i understand
[20:09:53] <kim0> chrisaw: 4.6G here
[20:10:07] <chrisaw> kim0: :( ok thanks
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[20:10:24] <kim0> comay: shoot
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[20:12:49] <TomJ> 4.6gb is a lot?
[20:13:01] <kim0> not really ..
[20:14:52] <spiff> how do I utilize i86hvm? Simply changing i86pc to i86hvm doesnt do the trick...
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[20:20:08] <comay> kim0, here are the lines in question
[20:20:22] <comay> bootfs rpool/ROOT/opensolaris
[20:20:42] <comay> kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix -B $ZFS-BOOTFS
[20:20:53] <comay> module$ /platform/i86pc/$ISADIR/boot_archive
[20:21:00] <comay> that's it
[20:21:14] <comay> but i wonder if that's going to help since you said you had a menu.lst
[20:21:23] <kim0> no findroot in 1st line ?
[20:21:27] <comay> it's possible we need to fix the master boot record
[20:21:46] <comay> afaik, i don't believe we put findroot anywhere there
[20:21:48] <kim0> dont think its mbr .. since grub already starts
[20:22:33] <kim0> perhaps I need to comment that line and try again
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[20:22:53] <kim0> coz the rest of lines, are like what you just typed
[20:23:48] <kim0> comay: thanks ... if that doesn't work, I will just wait for the final release I guess :D
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[20:24:26] <comay> yes, you commenting that out would be good
[20:24:57] <kim0> comay: how do u suggest I mount    rpool/ROOT/opensolaris
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[20:25:01] <kim0> since it wants /a
[20:25:17] <kim0> comay: could u check if on ur system it wants /a too ?
[20:25:28] <kim0> maybe I need to change that as well
[20:25:57] <comay> you mean from the live cd?
[20:26:08] <kim0> the installed pool
[20:26:13] <kim0> once I import it
[20:26:22] <kim0> rpool/ROOT/opensolaris   2.44G  5.19G  2.44G  /a
[20:26:26] <kim0> I get that
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[20:26:44] <comay> mine is marked legacy
[20:27:26] <comay> it should be legacy and if it's still /a, then seems to indicate to me the installer failed to set it to legacy
[20:27:44] <gonzzor> shouldn't rpool/ROOT/opensolaris be /
[20:27:52] <gonzzor> And rpool/ROOT be legacy?
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[20:31:04] <comay> on my system, rpool/ROOT is /rpool/ROOT
[20:31:14] <comay> and rpool/ROOT/opensolaris is legacy
[20:31:50] <kim0> if a new installer is out .. any magic to upgrade it on the live CD and use that ?
[20:32:00] <comay> but it's been image-updated from earleir builds
[20:32:15] <comay> kim0, what's on the cd is almost the latest
[20:32:26] <kim0> "almost" :)
[20:32:41] <gonzzor> I got the layout in latest installer for 2008.11.
[20:33:03] <gonzzor> kim0: What is the problem?
[20:33:42] <kim0> gonzzor: I install 2008.11 .. reboot and I get a grub shell
[20:33:52] <gonzzor> On a USB stick?
[20:34:10] <kim0> USB hard-disk (ipod)
[20:34:18] <gonzzor> Well that makes two of us..
[20:34:23] <kim0> lol
[20:34:24] <kim0> :)
[20:35:12] <gonzzor> The funny thing is that nexenta works..
[20:35:14] <kim0> gonzzor: any solutions ?
[20:35:27] <norman> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4161
[20:35:35] <kim0> gonzzor: is nexenta out with a b100+ yet ?
[20:36:05] <norman> Looks like you got this problem mentioned there
[20:36:22] <gonzzor> kim0: No.. It's ~90
[20:36:23] <comay> kim0, are all the failed installs you had on a USB hard-drive?
[20:36:57] <gonzzor> From what I can see is the problem that Grub don't find any ZFS fs on the hd. Try geometry (hd0)
[20:37:30] <gonzzor> Every slice is unknown-fs, but on a HD install the first slice (hd0,0,a) is zfs.
[20:37:42] <kim0> comay: yes
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[20:38:12] <tCzern> hello
[20:38:19] <kim0> root(hd0,0)   says partition is 0xbf
[20:38:46] <kim0> which looks zfs to me
[20:38:47] <tCzern> wenn is os 2008.11 going to be relased?
[20:38:58] <kim0> this month ;)
[20:39:06] <tCzern> I believe 2008.5 has an installer bug
[20:39:13] <gonzzor> kim0: Well, it's Solaris partition, but what does geometry (hd0) say?
[20:39:28] <kim0> didnt try that ...
[20:39:35] <kim0> gonzzor: I'd have to reboot
[20:39:41] <gonzzor> Ok..
[20:39:46] <tCzern> it gives me an error with my hd, while Windows XP and Vista, as well as Debian and Suse don't
[20:39:48] <kim0> let me grab another lappy
[20:40:03] <tCzern> to bad that I want opensolaris now
[20:40:11] <gonzzor> tCzern: Have you tried the rc of 2008.11?
[20:40:27] <tCzern> no
[20:40:33] <tCzern> what is rc ?
[20:40:39] <tCzern> another live cd?
[20:40:44] <gonzzor> RealseCandidate
[20:40:51] <tCzern> link?
[20:40:53] <gonzzor> http://www.genunix.org/
[20:41:07] <kimc> now installing 2008.11-rc1 on a test machine..
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[20:41:25] <tCzern> hm, I am curious
[20:41:47] <tCzern> I just installed Studio64, works all fine and it was surprisingly fast
[20:41:49] <kimc> hi curious :)
[20:42:11] <tCzern> that's the whole beauty of it. Discover new things :-)
[20:42:20] <kimc> what is it?
[20:42:35] <tCzern> Studio64 ?
[20:42:41] <vmlemon_> curious! So glad to see you! ;)
[20:42:41] <kimc> yes
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[20:43:28] <tCzern> http://www.64studio.com/
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[20:44:12] <tCzern> downloading 2008.11 now
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[20:45:30] <mib_xdkfa4> I'm back and have another machine to test on
[20:45:36] <mib_xdkfa4> crap!
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[20:46:09] <gonzzor> kim0: Gonna reinstall on my usb stick as well.. But with debug enable as suggested in the bugreport
[20:46:25] <kim0> gonzzor: geometry (hd0)
[20:46:43] <gonzzor> You get unknown fs on all slices, right?
[20:46:43] <kim0> gonzzor: well gives 3 partitions I guess
[20:46:49] <kim0> yeah
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[20:46:58] <kim0> a c i
[20:46:59] <comay> kim0, didn't realize this was a USB install.  i've heard there are issues there
[20:47:04] <tCzern> kimc basically I want use OpenSolaris as Audio Workstation
[20:47:15] <gonzzor> One partiton and 3 slices, same as me then.
[20:47:30] <kim0> anything I can do to boot manually ?
[20:47:33] <tCzern> I was told the OS is much more stable then a linux distro
[20:47:47] <kimc> 2008.11 didn't appear to have give the option to install on zfs.. maybe its the default
[20:48:31] <gonzzor> yes it's default
[20:48:34] <kimc> ah
[20:48:47] <gonzzor> tCzern: Does studio64 support Solaris?
[20:48:48] <kim0> gonzzor: r u gonna reinstall now ?
[20:49:07] <gonzzor> kim0: Yes, I have nexenta on it right now.
[20:49:09] <kim0> I've reinstalled 4 times ... and getting tired :)
[20:49:21] <gonzzor> I'm close to 10 now
[20:49:26] <kim0> hehe
[20:50:04] <kim0> I'm not sure why we cant "fix" the issue though .. Had this been some linux distro, I sure I could do something
[20:51:41] <gonzzor> Yes, i'm really new to Solaris as well, have use Linux for years..
[20:51:59] <gonzzor> But i'm intressed if I can find out anything using the debug output of the installer
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[20:58:16] <tCzern> if I install opensolaris over another OS, would it give me the DualBoot Option?
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[20:58:49] <gonzzor> tCzern: Not if you install it over another, then the other will be gone. But you could install it on another partition, as long as you have enough space for it
[20:59:15] <gonzzor> I'm not sure if the installer will set things right for you, but with some tweaks in grub it shouldn't be a problem
[20:59:30] <tCzern>  ok, .., could I create a new partition with the solaris installer?
[21:00:18] <kim0> gonzzor: ping me if u ever solve that USB installation problem
[21:00:28] <gonzzor> Will do.. :)
[21:00:49] <gonzzor> But I'm not that optimistic about the solving part..
[21:01:36] <e^ipi> holy christ is it ever a pain in the ass to use the touchpad on a mac in anything other than OSX
[21:01:39] <Stric> kim0/gonzzor: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2008-November/013371.html  .. search for USB on that post
[21:02:59] <kim0> Stric: I think that's not relevant .. this is for running the "Live" CD from a USB disk, while we need to install a real copy to USB disk
[21:03:16] <gonzzor> Close enough.. :)
[21:03:26] <Stric> kim0: ok.. but it might give some clues.. that usbcopy thing for instance..
[21:03:49] <kim0> well thanks anyway
[21:03:53] <gonzzor> Well the USB hd is detectet as a normal disk during installation and everything is fine until you reboot it..
[21:04:42] <kim0> Yeah!
[21:04:56] <kim0> and even the crappy part : BIOS+Grub works fine
[21:05:10] <kim0> it should be roses from here on
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[21:05:40] <kim0> the BIOS does expose the disk and the partition ...
[21:06:04] <kim0> seems to be that grub is unable to understand the zfs pools and filesystems
[21:07:17] <gonzzor> But with Nexenta, grub finds the zfs...
[21:08:41] <kim0> gonzzor: could u use nexenta's grub to booth osol's kernel ?!
[21:08:43] <kim0>  oO
[21:09:07] <gonzzor> Hmm.. Haven't tried that. Could be worth a try.
[21:09:47] <kimc> 2008.11-rc1 install -take 2
[21:10:09] <kimc> must have the boot drive on the first sata controller port..
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[21:11:32] <kimc> Unicast DNS-sd unavailable -huh?
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[21:22:10] <dustman_> kimc: just a thought- you changed boot sequence in bios?
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[21:27:01] <kimc> right.. i could have done that but thought i'd just change the sata cable to the first port -didn't work so now lets see if a reinstall on the correct sata port will work
[21:27:42] <kimc> the installation is so easy it only takes a little time :)
[21:28:41] <kimc> if it works i can then see about configuring comsat to work again as it was on the b96 install which was on there
[21:29:01] <kimc> iscsi and 3x disks in a zfs pool
[21:30:10] <kimc> had accumulated >700GB of video on there.. oh well its a good excuse to start again
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[21:32:27] <kimc> the comsat-type iscsi target has a Vista MediaCenter connected with 2 off-air HD tv tuners feeding it
[21:34:02] <kimc> the resulting stream is around 40 mbps
[21:35:17] <kimc> the comsat bits previously in use were totally reliable even though they were the first 'public' release and not shipped with b96
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[21:40:45] <kimc> heh.. news reports: gasoline prices are 'tanking'
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[21:46:00] <hajma> dropped off, apparently the cisco aironet 350 card has some issues under osol (dies after first 10 minutes). if there were some replies to my previous question, could someone send them to me in a PM please?
[21:46:31] <kimc> now to change the new 2008.11 install to use a fixed ip address and shut down the dhcp client
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[21:57:24] <kimc> when 2008.11 boots the 'splash screen' with 'progress bar' has some extraneous vertical-bar garbage on the screen
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[21:59:10] <comay> kimc, that sounds like either the foreground or background entries in the grub entry are missing
[22:00:26] <kimc> very good thanks.. fwiw the bars are in the lower third of the frame and about 1/8 the height
[22:00:43] <kimc> the graphic is fine otherwise
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[22:01:59] <kimc> pinging hosts can't resolve the hostname though nslookup works normally.. wonder what could be causing that
[22:02:34] <Stric> kim0: what does the 'hosts:' line in /etc/nsswitch.conf say?
[22:03:06] <kimc> hosts is files
[22:03:49] <Stric> seems like your machine isn't setup to use dns then ;) .. should be automatic.. was for me (just installed 2008.11 too)
[22:04:14] <Stric> try: pfexec cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
[22:04:51] <kimc> it installed with dhcp and no offer to set that i remember
[22:05:02] <kimc> lemme try the pfexec command
[22:05:10] <Stric> maybe your dhcp server doesn't provide dns info..?
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[22:05:48] <kimc> it provides nameserver info but i'm in the process of converting the machine to not use dhcp
[22:06:26] <kimc> ok got it
[22:06:30] <Stric> anyway, /etc/nsswitch.dns has a working "dns" setup of nsswitch.conf
[22:06:38] <kimc> yes right and thanks
[22:06:41] <kimc> very good
[22:07:05] <kimc> now to try and get comsat running with a zfs pool and iscsi
[22:07:28] <kimc> guess i could start with the zfs pool
[22:09:08] <kimc> two of the drives are identical, one ist the boot drive and one will be in the zfs pool -how can i find which dev is the boot drive?
[22:09:22] <gonzzor> biosdev is a good tool
[22:09:41] <kimc> checking
[22:09:43] <gonzzor> You also use the tool prtvtoc
[22:10:00] <gonzzor> I think the spelling is correct of the later one
[22:10:58] <_mary_kate_> don't believe everything biosdev tells you
[22:11:02] <_mary_kate_> it was gotten rid of for a reason ;)
[22:11:08] <_mary_kate_> (but it's usually right)
[22:11:44] <gonzzor> Have the installer stopped using it?
[22:11:59] <_mary_kate_> not sure about the installer, but one of the main reasons for findroot grub was to remove use of biosdev
[22:12:11] <_mary_kate_> (because it's unreliable and doesn't work at all under xvm)
[22:12:27] <kimc> zfs list
[22:12:31] <kimc> err..
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[22:14:44] <kimc> actually since the root is installed on zfs the question is: which device is the 'root' zpool on?
[22:15:02] <kimc> 2008.11 installs on ;rpool'
[22:15:20] <gonzzor> use zpool status
[22:15:35] <kimc> bingo thanks
[22:16:29] <kimc> need to be sure not to incorporate the boot drive into a new zpool as one of the new pool disks is identical to the boot zpool drive
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[22:32:29] <plavcik> I'm trying to install 2008.11 candidate from indiana project, I have two identical disks and like to set zfs mirror on them, how I get do that during installation?
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[22:34:32] <e^ipi> plavcik: you don't, you do that afterwards
[22:34:46] * Stric just did
[22:36:00] <e^ipi> well, you can...
[22:36:04] <Stric> fdisk to add a pc partition table, format to put a solaris slice on #0 covering whole disk, then zpool attach rpool olddisks0 newdisks0  and installgrub
[22:36:05] <e^ipi> but it's easier to do it afterwards
[22:37:53] <Stric> detached the first disk, booted off the second only.. then did some stuff.. rebooted to add the first disk again.. it found some checksum errors that were corrected, but stuff was fine
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[22:39:10] <plavcik> interesting, thx guys, as I'm new to openSolaris, I will this time try the "afterwards adding"
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[22:42:37] <plavcik> can the  2008.11 candidate be installad over serial line (console=ttya)?
[22:43:12] <e^ipi> no, the installer is X only
[22:43:31] <e^ipi> in theory you might be able to ssh -X and run it
[22:43:37] <e^ipi> haven't tried that
[22:44:00] <comay> that should work (at least it used to though you need to login to the console and enable sshd)
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[22:44:06] <kimc> the COMSTAR stuff doesn't appear to be included in 2008.11
[22:44:35] <plavcik> COMSTAR is related to installation over serial line?
[22:44:42] <kimc> sorry no
[22:45:39] <plavcik> I was happy to see grub lines on some SXCE DVD, it will be nice to have it on 2008.11 too
[22:45:49] <plavcik> grub lines wit serial installation
[22:46:43] <e^ipi> plavcik: but you can't install over serial
[22:47:21] <plavcik> I undrestand that point with sshd, I was just referencing somde DVD with SXCE, where this was possible
[22:47:46] <e^ipi> but why enable an option that you have to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to make useful
[22:48:06] <e^ipi> when a text installer exists, you'll probably see a serial option
[22:48:15] <e^ipi> until then, what's one more step in a multi-step process
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[22:48:59] <plavcik> text installer shall be part of defintive 2008.11?
[22:49:18] <e^ipi> no
[22:51:02] <plavcik> well, that's pitty in my view, I like to install OpenSolaris + ZFS + virtaulization (just server), for that text installation over serial console shall be fine
[22:51:42] <plavcik> exist someone else, who prefere this type of installation?
[22:52:00] <e^ipi> on my headless fileserver, yes
[22:52:06] <e^ipi> but on that, i installed SXCE
[22:53:23] <Stric> plavcik: there's some auto install thingie that could be used headless/serial I think..
[22:53:23] <plavcik> I probably not get correct understanding about versions, I expect that 2008.11 will be based on SXCE and will be better for "production"
[22:54:03] <e^ipi> plavcik: incorrect. 2008.11 is the desktop-y version
[22:54:41] <e^ipi> hence why the text installer is not a priority
[22:54:48] <plavcik> well, this explain it
[22:55:12] <plavcik> so best option for stable ZFS + virtualisation is SXCE?
[22:55:39] <e^ipi> unless sol10 includes xen these days, yes
[22:56:04] <plavcik> ok, thank you guys for all answe
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[23:00:11] <_mary_kate_> why does zfs i/o drop to 0 for several minutes when i snapshot a filesystem?
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[23:00:26] <_mary_kate_> that's very inconvenient
[23:00:43] <Stric> how many nfs shared filesystems do you have?
[23:00:47] <_mary_kate_> 1
[23:02:18] <Stric> try trussing zfs
[23:02:54] 
[23:02:54] <_mary_kate_> [guillom(n=guillaum@wikimedia/guillom)] Longevelle
[23:02:54] <_mary_kate_> [guillom(n=guillaum@wikimedia/guillom)] 70700 Vantoux et Longevelle
[23:02:54] <_mary_kate_> [guillom(n=guillaum@wikimedia/guillom)] France
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[23:02:58] <_mary_kate_> er wrong paste
[23:03:05] <_mary_kate_> it slept for a while then showed ioctl(3, ZFS_IOC_SNAPSHOT, 0x080462D0)
[23:03:18] <_mary_kate_> then it exited.. so i assume the ioctl did the actual work
[23:03:50] <sickness> anyway, it doesn't seem a nice way to exit :/
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[23:21:18] <mlh> is there a release date planned for os 2008.11?
[23:21:27] <codestr0m> mlh: rsn
[23:21:28] <mlh> (besides 'sometime in November')
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[23:21:58] <mlh> I chcked the opensolaris site, neither the faq nor the roadmap have anything
[23:22:15] <mlh> codestr0m: thanks.  I think :-)
[23:22:40] <Stric> it might just be that it's not finalized yet ;)
[23:22:56] <mlh> are they going to do a jigdo like thing where you can update your isos from test -> release?
[23:23:04] <codestr0m> or they are hopefully fixing bugs :P
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[23:24:54] <Vanuatoo> Any approximate release date for 2008.11?
[23:25:01] <mlh> SNAP!
[23:25:08] <mlh> Vanuatoo: I just asked that
[23:25:19] <sickness> 32 :P
[23:25:20] <kimc> looks like COMSTAR isn't going to come easily to 2008.11:
[23:25:21] <mlh> the answer is no  -- except "real soon now"
[23:25:22] <Vanuatoo> I just joined :)
[23:25:24] <kimc> iSCSI COMSTAR Port Provider packages have been removed since these are now integrated in OpenSolaris build 103
[23:25:32] <mlh> yeah I know
[23:25:45] <_mary_kate_> kimc: presumably, 2008.11 will get updates to new builds just like 2008.05 does
[23:25:54] <kimc> ah i see..
[23:26:24] <Vanuatoo> will it be possible to upgrade from 2008.11 to 2009.05 when it's ready?
[23:26:40] <mlh> the docs say yes
[23:26:53] <mlh> Vanuatoo: pkg image-update
[23:26:59] <e^ipi> mlh, Vanuatoo. expect the release at 23:59 PST on the 30th
[23:27:21] <e^ipi> time based releases typically come at the last possible second
[23:27:23] <mlh> PST? but that's surely too early
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[23:27:36] <e^ipi> mlh: Sun is on PST
[23:27:44] <mlh> if you choose a more favourable time zone, you give yourselves another few hours of bug fixing
[23:27:51] <mlh> Sun is everywhere
[23:28:04] <Vanuatoo> I've got now sxce b99. pkginfo -l produces error but despite of that the system was lu'd successfully from b97
[23:28:06] <mlh> outsource to Tahiti
[23:28:12] <e^ipi> head office is in california
[23:28:24] <mlh> e^ipi: wow thanks for the info man!
[23:28:46] <kimc> and i can't get the mecurial source tree because it appears 2008.11 doesn't have hg :(
[23:28:56] <mlh> now that's funny
[23:28:57] <Vanuatoo> I've seen today the screenshot of 2008.11 and it looks sexy
[23:29:03] <Vanuatoo> looking forward to it
[23:29:03] <e^ipi> kimc: you install it. SUNWmercurial
[23:29:10] <kimc> ahh thanks
[23:29:20] <mlh> oh not so funny then :-)
[23:29:22] <Vanuatoo> is mplayer on IPS?
[23:29:36] <e^ipi> maybe on blastwave's repo
[23:29:41] <e^ipi> not the main one
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[23:30:03] <Vanuatoo> is there issue for it?
[23:30:49] <Vanuatoo> I just wonder what is the totem for :)
[23:30:56] <Vanuatoo> It can't play anything
[23:31:29] <mlh> not even ogg?
[23:31:37] <Vanuatoo> yeah
[23:31:38] <Vanuatoo> ogg
[23:31:38] <Vanuatoo> :D
[23:31:46] <Vanuatoo> who cares about ogg
[23:32:10] <Vanuatoo> In my country typically I need mp3, wma and divx support
[23:32:15] <mlh> well you've got an issue common to all players then, it's not the player so much but the decoder
[23:32:17] <Vanuatoo> also some player to play dvd-s
[23:32:32] <mlh> and you have to pay for some decoders
[23:32:54] <Vanuatoo> Is there any license issues with including good decoders for totem
[23:32:54] <mlh> I wonder if fluendo have their software packaged for solaris ...
[23:33:15] <Vanuatoo> or just package working player out of box
[23:33:33] <mlh> Vanuatoo: I'd suggest reading wikipedia at this point and the various gnome faqs
[23:33:49] <Vanuatoo> thank you
[23:34:00] <Vanuatoo> The simple way for me is to install mplayer
[23:34:05] <Vanuatoo> and codecs
[23:34:10] <Vanuatoo> and everything works fine
[23:34:25] <Vanuatoo> But in latest sxce builds I was unable to compile it by hand
[23:34:41] <Vanuatoo> I don't want to use Blastwave
[23:34:47] <Vanuatoo> I used pkgbuild
[23:34:47] <mlh> that's becsue you're taking on the legal risk yourself, which is about zero
[23:35:12] <Vanuatoo> but installing pkgbuild itself is somehow complicated
[23:35:15] <mlh> it's a different thing for a corporation to do, because they have enough money to make it worthwhile
[23:35:39] <Vanuatoo> I think sun should package mplayer
[23:35:51] <Vanuatoo> to lower entry point
[23:36:23] <Vanuatoo> if we look at ubuntu they really made a great improvements to this problem in latest builds
[23:36:27] <mlh> you're still missing the point
[23:36:38] <Vanuatoo> why?
[23:36:54] <Vanuatoo> I'm just talking about to copy the linux model on this
[23:37:11] <Vanuatoo> make it easy for the user to find a codec and agree on license
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[23:38:52] <mlh> oh right, understood
[23:39:44] <e^ipi> canonical is small fish
[23:39:59] <Vanuatoo> and?
[23:39:59] <e^ipi> patent trolls and the MPAA wouldn't bother going after them
[23:40:09] <e^ipi> sun distributing it though... sun has a lot of money
[23:40:39] <Vanuatoo> sun would not distribute something knowing in advance about licensing issues
[23:40:47] <e^ipi> no, they wouldn't
[23:40:53] <Vanuatoo> Their stock is not doing well lately
[23:41:05] <e^ipi> so no matter how you slice it, you'll be using a 3rd party for your patented media codecs
[23:41:09] <Vanuatoo> and many big corps would be happy to see sun dead
[23:41:45] <e^ipi> so why would they risk it so that you can watch DVD's on your server?
[23:42:02] <e^ipi> find your own codec, then that's your problem, not sun's
[23:42:22] <e^ipi> it's legally grey if sun can ever tell you where to look
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[23:43:01] <Vanuatoo> sun could tell me where patent free codecs were at least
[23:43:23] <e^ipi> no, they couldn't
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[23:43:38] <e^ipi> 2600 got a court injunction for linking to pages that told you where to get decss
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[23:44:03] <e^ipi> this is not a whole lot different
[23:44:05] <Vanuatoo> and if it's in the opensolaris forum?
[23:44:07] <e^ipi> in fact, it's exactly the same
[23:44:19] <e^ipi> the opensolaris forum is not sun telling you anything, it's a community forum
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[23:44:34] <Vanuatoo> OpenSolaris is also community project
[23:44:38] <jamesd> its not Sun's job to tell you where codecs are... why don't you give linus torvalds a call, he has nothing better to do than to tell you where codecs are ;-0
[23:44:50] <Vanuatoo> :)
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[23:45:01] <e^ipi> Vanuatoo: so as a community member, set up your repo and tell people about it
[23:45:05] <e^ipi> that's what blastwave is
[23:45:19] <e^ipi> sun doesn't point people at blastwave, dennis et al do
[23:45:36] <e^ipi> blastwave also has mplayer
[23:45:38] <e^ipi> with codecs
[23:45:43] <e^ipi> sun has nothing to do with it
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[23:46:08] <e^ipi> so you're basically arguing that what exists now is sufficient.
[23:46:12] <e^ipi> in which case, good
[23:46:13] <Vanuatoo> If somebody will proporse Mplayer to IPS will it be rejected?
[23:46:18] <e^ipi> no
[23:46:24] <e^ipi> if someone proposes it with patented codecs, it will
[23:46:24] <Vanuatoo> with codecs
[23:46:31] <e^ipi> yes
[23:46:42] <Vanuatoo> mplayer has its own codecs
[23:46:45] <Vanuatoo> are they pattented?
[23:46:50] <e^ipi> legal and/or ARC would stop that dead in it's tracks
[23:46:59] <e^ipi> Vanuatoo: no, ogg and vorbis aren't patented
[23:47:04] <e^ipi> mp3 is
[23:47:16] <Stric> Vanuatoo: DVD, mp3 etc are patented, no matter who implements them (mplayer, totem, foo)
[23:47:19] <e^ipi> hence the "go to fluendo" recommendation
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[23:47:33] <Vanuatoo> what is fluendo?
[23:47:41] <e^ipi> a company that sells codecs
[23:47:41] <Stric> first hit on google://fluendo
[23:47:55] <Vanuatoo> sorry
[23:48:38] <e^ipi> fluendo's mp3 codec is free
[23:48:44] <e^ipi> the rest of them are a couple bucks
[23:50:08] <norman> But isn't mp3 patented by Fraunhofer and usable at no costs?
[23:51:15] <_mary_kate_> norman: perhaps that's why the mp3 codec doesn't cost anything?
[23:51:36] <e^ipi> you do need to pay for a redistribution license IIRC
[23:51:48] <Stric> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3#Licensing_and_patent_issues
[23:51:49] <e^ipi> don't quote me on that
[23:52:37] <Stric> seems like Fraunhofer has been going after mp3 encoder/decoder folks
[23:52:52] <Stric> a license was required to "distribute and/or sell decoders and/or encoders".
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[23:54:06] <e^ipi> except free/opensource/community ones
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[23:54:22] <e^ipi> which sun as a for-profit corporate entity may or may not qualify for
[23:54:41] <Stric> "Fluendo has paid the license of Fraunhofer and Thomson to be able to distribute a binary mp3 decoder. This means that people who want mp3 support for the desktop music players can get a fully licensed plug-in directly from this site for doing so. "
[23:54:55] <Stric> Any distribution or Unix maker out there who want to include the Fluendo MP3 plug-in with their distribution can do so by just signing a contract with Fluendo to become an official redistributor. This contract includes no monetary compensation to Fluendo for getting the right to redistribute the Fluendo MP3 plug-in and no demands of additional purchases from Fluendo.
[23:54:59] <Stric> (sorry for spam)
[23:55:49] <norman> But as it is binary, no one knows, which evil things it does to you, your computer, your family and and and ... :)
[23:56:32] <e^ipi> norman: yes, all binaries are bad, you should never compile anything ever, instead you should fab yourself a chip that can run on pure C source
[23:57:03] <Stric> use tcc.. which can do #!/bin/tcc   in C source ;)





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