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[00:01:29] <kaleb> h3sp4wn: could it just be that some libraries are missing?
[00:02:24] <Triskelios> kaleb: is this on a 2008.05 install that wasn't image-updated?
[00:03:06] <h3sp4wn> kaleb: Broken python with indiana is about the worst possible state to be in
[00:03:09] <kaleb> Triskelios: no, snv_96
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[00:03:40] <Triskelios> kaleb: okay. you still have a too-recent python and ipkg for the system
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[00:03:56] <kaleb> Triskelios: ok, How do I go about downgrading?
[00:04:15] <Triskelios> kaleb: do you have an earlier snapshot?
[00:04:37] <kaleb> Triskelios: I have been looking at zfs list, but am not shure yet
[00:05:41] <Triskelios> might have to zfs list -t snapshot
[00:05:47] <kaleb> zfs lists the one I have been using rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-11/opt@static:-:2008-09-09-12:00:54 but the date has not been yet..
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[00:06:55] <kaleb> i am a bit confused to which snapshot I have been using
[00:07:14] <e^ipi> you haven't been using a snapshot
[00:07:20] <e^ipi> a snapshot is by definition in the past
[00:07:43] <kaleb> hmm ok, I see
[00:08:03] <e^ipi> you know apple's time machine? think that.
[00:08:03] <Triskelios> kaleb: might be able to get pkg to work with LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libmd.so.1 - although I've never tried this
[00:08:14] <kaleb> Triskelios: I will try one sek
[00:08:26] <kaleb> Triskelios: and If it runs what should I do?
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[00:09:15] <Triskelios> install SUNWipkg at 0 dot 5.11-0.96 (latest for your build)
[00:09:16] <james1> hi
[00:09:25] <Triskelios> not sure if that'll fix the dependencies, though
[00:09:35] <kimc> hi
[00:09:43] <james1> when i run aphe i have that problem offline*       23:08:08 svc:/network/http:apache22
[00:10:01] <e^ipi> james1: so check the log file
[00:10:04] <james1> maybe i enable 64
[00:10:11] <Triskelios> james1: it means it's currently shutting down. it'll finish at some point
[00:10:25] <james1> e^ipi: wait i pastbin the log file
[00:10:29] <kaleb> Triskelios: should I export LD_PRELOAD?
[00:10:32] <e^ipi> no, you check the log file
[00:10:41] <e^ipi> read it, and solve the problem
[00:10:46] <e^ipi> it's apache
[00:10:46] <Triskelios> kaleb: no, just prefix the pkg command with it
[00:10:56] <e^ipi> solve it like any other apache installation
[00:11:02] <james1> e^ipi: you laugh to me again
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[00:12:08] <james1> e^ipi: i have only killall and failure
[00:13:00] <kaleb> Triskelios: no, There is no difference still casts me the dep issues
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[00:14:02] <e^ipi> james1: killall does exactly what you think it does
[00:14:06] <e^ipi> kills everything on the system
[00:14:12] <e^ipi> /everything/
[00:14:16] <bda> Heh.
[00:14:46] <james1> e^ipi: maintenance    23:09:09 svc:/network/http:apache22
[00:15:00] <james1> e^ipi: that system play with me now
[00:15:02] <e^ipi> james1: read the log file, and find out why
[00:15:11] <e^ipi> maintenence means something's broken
[00:15:18] <james1> e^ipi: i read it all
[00:15:35] <bda> Look at the Apache logs, too.
[00:16:32] <james1> e^ipi:  Method or service exit timed out.  Killing contract 114. that the good phrase that the log file said
[00:16:37] <james1> thats'
[00:16:40] <e^ipi> the apache logs.
[00:16:54] <e^ipi> they'll tell you why apache's having a problem
[00:16:55] <mikeconcepts> bye
[00:17:06] <e^ipi> and then you solve it like you would solve apache problems anywhere else
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[00:17:43] <e^ipi> since it's just apache
[00:17:48] <tralala> hi, I have two disk zpool with one disk missing, is there any data recovery possible ?
[00:18:02] <e^ipi> tralala: if it was a mirror, yes
[00:18:05] <e^ipi> if it wasn't, no
[00:18:07] <duri> how far are we from 2008.11 ?
[00:18:23] <nachox> there is a beta already i think
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[00:18:26] <Triskelios> kaleb: you mean python still craps out?
[00:18:30] <nachox> ask in indiana-discuss
[00:18:31] <e^ipi> duri: expect it at 23:59 on the last day of the month
[00:18:38] <duri> gotcha :)
[00:18:48] <e^ipi> PST
[00:18:56] <duri> where is the beta ?
[00:19:04] <e^ipi> genunix has it
[00:19:04] <nachox> i have no idea
[00:19:11] <e^ipi> os.o too, presumably somewhere
[00:19:11] <kaleb> Triskelios: yes, but i tried to rollback a snapshot, the harddrive is running like mad and weird things are happening
[00:19:13] <duri> ok
[00:19:24] <nachox> damn i'm sleepy
[00:19:52] <Triskelios> kaleb: did you rollback on all filesystems? /opt is separate...
[00:20:01] <Triskelios> *seperate
[00:20:37] <kaleb> hmm, oh oh, I think I made a misstake, I typed zfs rollback and the most recent file, now all terminals says Bus Error (core dumped)
[00:20:39] <james1> e^ipi: i'm happy i find the solution
[00:20:43] <kaleb> oups :)
[00:20:44] <tralala> e^ipi: no, it wasn't mirror, but there were almost no data on the missing disk (it was in the pool just for few hours), so all the data I want are physically on my current disk, but it looks there is no way to access it
[00:21:02] <e^ipi> it's striped, not concat
[00:21:14] <e^ipi> there is no way to un-stripe it
[00:21:26] <james1> e^ipi: i'll reboot and use my friend panguin
[00:21:42] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[00:21:56] <kaleb> Triskelios: yay! it works!, I can't believe I just did that, I rollbacked the thing and while running the system it now works :)
[00:22:05] <e^ipi> zfs wins again!
[00:22:10] <kaleb> Triskelios: thank you so much
[00:22:38] <kaleb> zfs is really something
[00:23:21] <kaleb> Triskelios: is it safe now to update to SUNWipkg at 0 dot 5.11-0.96?
[00:23:30] <Triskelios> kaleb: yes
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[00:24:06] <e^ipi> kaleb: you said you installed some pythony thing before this whole mess?
[00:24:06] <Triskelios> kaleb: just be careful when not specifying a version, because the restrictions on *maximum* package versions are missing
[00:24:20] <nachox> it's not only damn cool, it's also integrated everywhere :)
[00:24:50] <Triskelios> e^ipi: it probably just decided to pull in pkg(5) from the future
[00:25:05] <kaleb> e^ipi: well, I installed SUNWplanner, which had like a million dependancies
[00:25:07] <e^ipi> yeah, that's what i was thinking
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[00:25:25] <e^ipi> there's probably a bug about that somewhere
[00:25:35] <Triskelios> #2792, in fact
[00:26:01] <e^ipi> hey, fixed in 101
[00:26:02] <e^ipi> neato
[00:26:39] <kaleb> I really like indiana except for one thing, I use it because of stability as a workstation, but I am scared to death to update the thing. I still want to use recent java netbeans sunstudio though
[00:27:09] <Triskelios> e^ipi: not sure if it's possible to keep from tripping up people upgrading form 2008.05, though
[00:27:10] <nachox> kaleb, that's why there are be's
[00:27:45] <e^ipi> update, break, rollback, good as new
[00:28:05] <kaleb> True true, and now I know
[00:28:20] <kaleb> it's just that it can be scary
[00:28:49] <nachox> yes, think of linux, it doesnt have  be's and we're all scared to use it
[00:29:59] <kaleb> is it safe to do a pkg image-update? I have 93 I want to have the latest and greatest
[00:30:30] <kaleb> 96 i mean
[00:31:19] <e^ipi> the bug you ran in to wasn't fixed until 101... wait a week or so would be my advice
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[00:31:32] <e^ipi> 100a is the newest in IPS
[00:31:43] <kaleb> e^ipi: ok thanks :) I will hold off for a week
[00:32:03] <e^ipi> are there special instructions?
[00:33:05] <Triskelios> e^ipi, kaleb: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/image-update/ - yes otherwise pkg will mutilate itself again
[00:33:16] <e^ipi> i figured there would be
[00:36:07] <james1> e^ipi: i'm inteligent
[00:36:19] <james1> e^ipi: i find the error
[00:36:39] <james1> e^ipi: i must change the hosname cause i have unknow
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[00:37:56] <Triskelios> james1: that wasn't so hard, was it?
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[00:38:35] <james1> Triskelios: but for me it's little hard cause i'm still young boy 16 years old
[00:38:39] <tralala> e^ipi: ok, i know how raid0 works, but when i had one disk pool with 250G data and then added second disk the half of data was't automaticaly transfered to second disk, was it?
[00:40:08] <e^ipi> no, but some might've been and to preserve the integrity of the pool ZFS doesn't allow you to use it unless you replace the broken device
[00:41:33] <tralala> yea, but how do I do this, if I can't even import that pool?
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[00:45:16] <e^ipi> replace the broken disk
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[00:45:25] <e^ipi> the disk you pulled out of the pool... put it back
[00:45:39] <e^ipi> there is no way to shrink a pool
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[00:46:17] <whistler108> http://www.unsere-nackte-pyjamaparty.net/?id=9557644
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[00:46:33] <bda> Punch to the throat.
[00:46:53] <nachox> i dont want to chech that link, do i?
[00:47:03] <nachox> *check
[00:47:21] <shadfc> pr0n
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[00:48:59] <tralala> e^ipi: it is there, but it does not have the zfs data, "headers" or how it is called, so zpool import doesn't know it is part of my pool
[00:49:15] <e^ipi> then the data's gone
[00:49:23] <e^ipi> such is the risk of raid0
[00:50:40] <shadfc> so, boss gave me a server with 8 1TB drives for a fileserver. should I partition two or so of the drives with a small slice so that I can have a mirrored root zpool and then use the rest for data zpool ?
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[00:52:34] <Triskelios> shadfc: it's best for the root to be on its own drive(s) - makes the layout cleaner and replacing disks easier...
[00:53:05] <tralala> ah, thats really lame way of losing data, to lose access to data
[00:53:10] <tralala> e^ipi: thanks anyway
[00:53:15] <nachox> i'd get 2 small extra disks
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[00:53:29] <shadfc> Triskelios: yeah, but id rather not loose that much space
[00:53:39] <nachox> tralala, that is what backups are for
[00:53:40] <swankier> how would I configure iscsi to only listed on one address rather than *?
[00:53:42] <shadfc> nachox: yeah, if only the chassis had space for em =/
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[00:55:01] <swankier> s/listed/listen
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[00:56:12] <Triskelios> tralala: if the data is really important, trawl through the drive with a raw file recovery tool
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[00:57:56] <tralala> nachox: yeah, I promise that I will backup everithing from now on :)
[00:58:08] <tralala> Triskelios: raw filw recovery tool like what ?
[01:00:33] <Triskelios> tralala: try asking someone who does computer forensics
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[01:07:27] <shadfc> Triskelios: assuming that i did slice 2 drives to make a smaller root zpool and one of those drives failed, what makes the replacement harder?  Wouldnt I just put in a new drive, slice it like the other and replace that into the zpool for the bad one?
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[01:10:36] <Triskelios> shadfc: say you decide to upgrade the other data drives in the pool; the size of the root drives limits the amount of redundancy in the pool
[01:11:47] <swankier> how would I configure iscsi to only listen on one address rather than *?
[01:11:53] <swankier> or said another way, where is the default iscsi backing store?
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[01:18:58] <tralala> Triskelios: it seems there is no such tool for use with ZFS yet, but there is a project page for this on opensolaris web
[01:20:04] <tralala> I was thinking if zdb would be of any use, but it is very undocumented and I don't know how to use it right
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[01:31:18] <mikeconcepts> I need help with a no sound problem, new install of svn_100, gigabyte MB with Realteck ALC889A sound device
[01:32:23] <tCzern> hi again, I am having this error when I try to install opensolaris http://pastebin.com/m65275135
[01:32:55] <tCzern> the message repeats for about 2 hours, then eventually it starts.
[01:33:09] <mikeconcepts> opensolaris thinks I have an Intel audioHD
[01:33:37] <tCzern> I have two PCI cards installed, could they cause the error? I don't get it
[01:34:08] <tCzern> Same machine ran Windows XP and Suse just fine
[01:34:08] <nachox> it thinks you have a sound card that implements an intel hd sound standard
[01:34:26] <purserj> tCzern: looks like it OS doesn't like your ATA setup
[01:34:59] <tCzern> yeah, something with ATA, I get this too, but what could I do about it?
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[01:36:01] <nachox> mikeconcepts, try installing the oss drivers from 4front
[01:36:01] <mikeconcepts> I must mention I use HDMI from an 8600GTS video card to a Sony TV as a monitor and expect the sound to coome from that HDMI connection
[01:36:33] <mikeconcepts> I did the oss drivers, but did not remove one first
[01:36:47] <mikeconcepts> the oss drivers installed, but do not show
[01:37:12] <mikeconcepts> don't know how to remove whatever is there already
[01:37:50] <mikeconcepts> device utility still lists intel audioHD
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[01:41:38] <mikeconcepts> nacbox, should I do a update_drv or somehting like that?
[01:43:31] <mikeconcepts> I would have thought the latest audiohd would support 889, perhaps it does, I will saw there was no red line on the speaker icon prior to installing oss driver from 4front
[01:43:52] <h3sp4wn> mikeconcepts: I have not found a way to get the oss driver loaded without a reboot
[01:44:16] <h3sp4wn> (crashed sound altogether a good few times as well trying to forcibly unload stuff)
[01:44:36] <mikeconcepts> I did a reboot, interesting the network didn't work after the first reboot but did after the second reboot
[01:45:13] <_mary_kate_> what is CR 6333409?  (description is just 'see comments')
[01:46:14] <mikeconcepts> considering reinstalling, current install is only a few hours old and will try oss drivers again
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[01:47:45] <SYS64738> how can I see the max size of a zfs filesystem ?
[01:48:03] <_mary_kate_> SYS64738: what is 'max size'?
[01:48:47] <jamesd> zpool iostat  iostat, but it doesn't account for compression
[01:48:58] <jamesd> er zpool iostat
[01:49:41] <SYS64738> I added this: rpool/guests/ranger to a xvm guest and the guest see only a 4GB disk
[01:50:11] <SYS64738> I need to expand the guest root
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[01:50:41] <h3sp4wn> SYS64738: Is it a filesystem or a volume ?
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[01:51:10] <SYS64738> filesystem
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[01:51:27] <SYS64738> the volume is used by rootfas
[01:51:32] <SYS64738> rootfs
[01:51:46] <SYS64738> zfs rootfs
[01:52:27] <SYS64738> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root          38 Nov  5 18:42 /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/guests/ranger -> ../../../../../devices/pseudo/zfs@0:5c
[01:52:30] <SYS64738> is that a volume ?
[01:53:15] <_mary_kate_> yes
[01:53:44] <SYS64738> cool, then it's a volume
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[01:55:27] <SYS64738> that volume is a promoted snapshot of a 4GB volume
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[01:58:04] <ingenthr> anyone around familiar with GRUB changes on ZFS boot with OpenSolaris 2008.05?
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[02:06:42] <yoursdai> Doen anybody know where to download opensolaris200811
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[02:07:54] <nachox> yoursdai, http://www.genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0811-100a.iso
[02:08:15] <nachox> it's not opensolaris200811, it's a prerelease iso
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[02:12:56] <tCzern> why does this Live CD repeat for 2 hours the same error message until it finally starts? I'd say that's a bug, bad coding whatever, it should abort right away and tell me that my PC sucks
[02:13:35] <jbit> its pretty hard to detect bad hardware
[02:14:04] <tCzern> but once it found it? It keeps trying
[02:14:15] <jbit> if hardware claims it follows a specification and then doesn't, it's hard for hte kernel to know if the hardware is being flakey because it's shit, or being flakey because of "normal" errors
[02:14:25] <tCzern> and, my hardware isn't bad
[02:14:54] <tCzern> http://pastebin.com/m65275135
[02:15:04] <jbit> my motherboard has a southbridge that fails at DMA above 32bit, but it explicitly sets a flag in its rom saying its capable of such a thing, for example
[02:15:07] <tCzern> this comes up every 10 seconds, for around 2 hours
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[02:15:37] <tCzern> then it starts, so the CD drive at least seems to work, I guess
[02:15:39] <jbit> that actually looks similar to my issue
[02:15:53] <tCzern> how did you solve it? I am loosing it ...
[02:16:00] <jbit> what chipset is your motherboard, and how much ram do you have?
[02:16:09] <tCzern> 2GB ram
[02:16:16] <jbit> ah well that rules it out
[02:16:23] <jbit> but could still be a flakey controller
[02:16:41] <jbit> try various bios options, such as setting the controller to/from various udma modes/etc
[02:16:48] <tCzern> that's the hardware: http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-HP-Pavilion-Desktop-PC-A700N
[02:17:21] <tCzern> udma ? I saw this .... fill play around with this....
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[02:18:12] <tCzern> I know, this isn't the coolest PC on earth anymore. But I love to recycle stuff
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[02:19:03] <jbit> (un)fortuantly OS' like windows and linux have millions of hacks in their drivers to support various flakey implementations of hardware, solaris has mainly been designed to run on "proper" hardware, so it doesn't have that many hacks in its drivers (yet?)
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[02:20:55] <tCzern> my bios is from 2004, could that be the reason?
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[02:25:53] <tCzern> I cannot change udma modes and such
[02:27:37] <abisen> is there a way to grow a raidz by just adding one single disk
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[02:27:56] <_mary_kate_> abisen: no
[02:27:57] <nachox> no
[02:28:04] <abisen> _mary_kate_, ouch
[02:28:05] <abisen> :(
[02:28:06] <_mary_kate_> (well, you could add it as a stripe, but that's not what you want)
[02:29:06] <yoursdai> nachox,thank you very much.
[02:29:07] <tCzern> ok, will update the Bios now, let's see ...
[02:29:21] <nachox> no problem
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[02:45:58] <tCzern> k guys, the installer CD got a bug: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6586621
[02:46:48] <tCzern> since I cannot # rm -rf /platform/i86pc/ucode, I cannot install opensolaris
[02:46:52] <tCzern> good job
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[02:50:52] <_mary_kate_> you're using a release older than 72?
[02:52:06] <tCzern> I downloaded 2008.5
[02:52:09] <nachox> not to mention broken or buggy hardware can cause the same error message
[02:52:26] <tCzern> this is getting a bit over my head
[02:52:29] <_mary_kate_> tCzern: that is 86, so it seems unlikely you're seeing a bug that was fixed in 72
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[02:52:43] <tCzern> hhm,
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[02:53:10] <tCzern> so, if no hard disk is attached, would the live cd start? I also have another CD drive
[02:53:33] <nachox> _mary_kate_, technically the bug was not "fixed", it was Closed:Not Reproducible :)
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[02:54:05] <tCzern> I am becoming stubborn now, I WANT OPENSOLARIS ggggrrrrr
[02:54:44] <tCzern> how about updating the Mobo's Bio?
[02:54:46] <jbit> nachox: it seems to imply that the issue was resolved in a later ata driver
[02:55:04] <tCzern> are those ata driver on board?
[02:55:17] <tCzern> Firmware on the Mobo?
[02:55:38] <jbit> part of solaris
[02:55:43] <tCzern> the Live CD starts, after 2hours or so
[02:56:03] <tCzern> but when I was trying to install it, it didn't find the hard disk
[02:56:09] <Triskelios> your problem is probably not related to that bug
[02:56:27] <jbit> tCzern: is the hard drive known to work?
[02:56:45] <tCzern> it does work, yes. BUT
[02:57:12] <tCzern> I accidently broke one of its pins and soldered it back on. It ran fine in Windows, still
[02:57:23] <tCzern> but could this cause a problem?
[02:57:38] <tCzern> worked with a  25x glass in my eye ...
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[02:57:47] <Triskelios> it's certainly a very probable suspect
[02:58:01] <tCzern> a capacity?
[02:58:33] <tCzern> will take the disk out and see if the Live CD starts .. dunno
[02:58:49] <jbit> ata timeout and related messages suggest theres an issue with the ATA bus
[02:58:56] <tCzern> yes
[02:59:03] <CIA-58> Hai-May Chao <Hai-May.Chao at Sun dot COM>: 6703956 Solaris cryptographic framework needs a FIPS-186-2 certifiable RNG
[02:59:03] <jbit> so yes, it's a very likely cause
[02:59:29] <tCzern> I ran a live CD from Studio64, based on Debian, no problems here
[02:59:30] <Triskelios> if you can borrow another drive, you can know for certain if this one is broken
[02:59:33] <nachox> nice rfc
[02:59:55] <tCzern> no other drive around ...
[03:00:06] <jbit> tCzern: unplugging it should remove the problem on the ata bus
[03:00:16] <tCzern> k, lemme try this ...
[03:00:20] <jbit> if you unplug the hdd and the livecd boots, then you know its something to do with the hdd
[03:00:49] <jbit> if not its probably a controller and/or bios bug
[03:03:32] <yoursdai> Hi,everyone,If I want to build a IPS in my home,what should I do?
[03:04:31] <tCzern> ok, I labeled myself as jackass. That what I did not want to be true is true. The disk is destroyed because I accidently bushed the ide connector to hard while I had it flipped by 180
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[03:10:39] <cads> hmm, noticed that opensolaris uses firefox 2.0 as the standard browser
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[03:11:09] <cads> also noticed how it was about twice as light on memory as 3.0 : D
[03:11:42] <ingenthr> cads: 2.0 was current back when it was released in May 2008
[03:11:58] <ingenthr> 3.0 is integrated for the November 2008 update
[03:12:17] <ingenthr> anyone around intimately familiar with GRUB with ZFS?
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[03:13:01] <Plazma> i always thought 3.0 was lighter and had suffered lesss memory issues
[03:13:04] <cads> I only noticed that the syntax looks pretty different from what I'm used to
[03:13:39] <e^ipi> well, zfs is a pretty different filesystem from what you're used to
[03:13:51] <abisen> is there a way to migrate a Zpool from one set of disks to another ?
[03:13:58] <abisen> including files and volumes
[03:14:28] <abisen> i need to grow my zpool but for that i would have to migrate the whole pool to another set of disks before i can do that
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[03:14:38] <cads> 3.0 seems to like pushing 100 megabytes in memory for me, though maybe I have the cache misconfigured. In any case, for some reason 2.0 seems to scroll smoother and be more responsive/start up faster in general.
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[03:15:02] <e^ipi> abisen: yes, zpool replace
[03:15:15] <e^ipi> see the zpool manpage for full syntax
[03:15:23] <e^ipi> replace each device in turn
[03:15:32] <e^ipi> the pool will grow to reflect the larger size
[03:17:22] <cads> e^ipi, how do we derive the identity  e^(i*pi) = -1?
[03:18:08] <cads> and, I really like zfs
[03:18:44] <e^ipi> through euler's formula with the case x = pi
[03:19:51] <jamesd> pi = yummy  ( at least if it is made properly)
[03:20:09] <e^ipi> i concur
[03:20:32] <cads> one thing that I noticed about the grub line for zfs boot was that it had no hardware specific factors
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[03:21:59] <cads> just ate some pumpkin pi, myself
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[03:23:35] <e^ipi> made of real pumpkin ?
[03:23:46] <e^ipi> or the stuff from a can, which is actually butternut squash
[03:24:26] <cads> I suppose it would be a shame if it was not, though I did not ascertain a difference
[03:24:46] <cads> sadly it was not home made, but store bought
[03:25:45] <cads> hey, one thing I struggled with in opensolaris was mounting ext3 partitions and in the end I gave up.
[03:25:54] <tCzern> could I test a driver with the Live CD, and use a Flash Drive as storage medium?
[03:25:58] <cads> now I'm reading that it's possible to mount them in read only
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[03:26:23] <cads> but with a little hacking
[03:28:02] <cads> that is not terrible, but I was wondering why that shouldn't be supported by default?
[03:28:48] <cads> I could appreciate that the designers didn't want to throw in every file system and the kitchen sink, like some kernel designers do
[03:29:47] <e^ipi> cads: sun can't distribute that, it'd be a GPL violation
[03:30:30] <cads> ahh, kind of an inverse of the licensing issue preventing ZFS from being used in linux
[03:31:09] <nachox> there is a project to add ext* support in solaris
[03:32:18] <nachox> i think they have reached some read only state
[03:32:23] <e^ipi> cads: it's actually the same thing as the zfs/linux thing
[03:32:47] <e^ipi> cads: the linux devs couldn't distribute a kernel with ZFS in it because it'd be a violation of the linux license
[03:33:01] <e^ipi> CDDL allows it
[03:33:47] <cads> gpl seems a little overzealous in imposing freedom :/
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[03:34:10] <abisen> is there a way to burn the solaris installer on a USB Disk
[03:34:21] <abisen> i don't have a CD/DVD ROM and need to install Solaris on a node
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[03:36:09] <nachox> night all
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[03:36:36] <freetown> sawadikrap auuuun
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[03:36:54] <auuuun> I just install opensolaris 1 hour ago.
[03:37:10] <freetown> nice
[03:37:12] <auuuun> hi freetown Can you speak thai?
[03:37:31] <auuuun> Are you Thai?
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[03:37:53] <freetown> auuuun, no, that is all i can say. I am chinese
[03:38:25] <auuuun> ni hoe , freetown
[03:38:34] <abisen> auuuun, what version
[03:38:35] <abisen> ?
[03:38:47] <freetown> auuuun, :)
[03:38:49] <abisen> 2008.05 or 2008.11
[03:39:01] <auuuun> new version :abisen yes 2008.05
[03:39:16] <freetown> :D not new anymore
[03:39:24] <auuuun> Is it different ?
[03:40:05] <freetown> 2008.11 is more recent. has more software probably...like xchat
[03:40:50] <abisen> freetown, i need to re-install but i dont have a CD -DVD Drive
[03:41:04] <abisen> and Don't know how to install Solaris ISO to a USB device
[03:41:15] <cads> abisen, maybe you can use a method from this blog http://blogs.sun.com/dminer/entry/opensolaris_developer_preview_on_usb
[03:42:49] <abisen> cads, hey thanks a lot man
[03:43:18] <abisen> just one more last question ... which is very important .. what should i be installing 2008.11 based on 100a or SXCE build 101
[03:43:44] <abisen> cads, is there any usability / gui differences between SXCE and 2008.11
[03:43:52] <abisen> this is for a workstation and not for a server
[03:44:18] <freetown> abisen, no IPS package manager on SXCE...yet
[03:44:55] <abisen> freetown, okay so it's opensolaris then... i need a package manager
[03:45:19] <abisen> freetown, very important as i am a new convert from Linux and i would love to have a package manager
[03:45:58] <abisen> also will the ZFS file system made on SXCE 101 work with Open Solaris 2008.11 ?
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[03:46:11] <benley> probably.
[03:46:14] <abisen> and do i need to do something special to my ZFS Zpool before i wipe of the OS or will the ZFS get automatically recognized once i install opensolaris
[03:46:18] <tCzern> can I try to install a driver package with the Live Cd and use a Flash Drive instead of a hard disk?
[03:46:25] <alanc> freetown: yes, there's a lot more software, including xchat, in the repo now for 2008.11, than there was when 2008.05 came out
[03:47:15] <tCzern> of course 2008.11 came out after I just downloaded 2008.5
[03:47:33] <alanc> no it didn't
[03:47:42] <alanc> 2008.11 hasn't been released yet
[03:47:53] <tCzern> ok, good :-)
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[03:47:56] <alanc> the first release candidate is planned to be released in the next few days
[03:48:05] <alanc> final release closer to the end of november
[03:48:14] <tCzern> how do I install a pkg ?
[03:48:23] <tCzern> trying to find this part in the doc
[03:48:24] <alanc> pkg install
[03:48:26] <auuuun> How can I edit my ip-address ?
[03:48:35] <tCzern> that's all?
[03:48:45] <alanc> for instance, pkg install SUNWxchat
[03:49:02] <tCzern> cool, can I define where?
[03:49:03] <alanc> sorry, forgot the pfexec if you're not root: pfexec pkg install SUNWxchat
[03:49:10] <auuuun> I found "Network Admin cannot be used to configure the network  when Network Auto-Magic (NWAM) is enabled."
[03:49:18] <tCzern> using the live CD
[03:49:25] <tCzern> maybe it won't work
[03:49:40] <tCzern> don't have an extra hard disk right now.
[03:49:42] <freetown> auuuun, you want to set a static ip address?
[03:49:43] <alanc> NWAM uses DHCP to set your IP address
[03:49:51] <auuuun> yes freetown
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[03:50:17] <freetown> auuuun, then you first ahve to change the network 'loader'
[03:50:27] <freetown> svcadm disable physical:nwam
[03:50:40] <tCzern> can the repo for 2008.11 already be viewed online? or is it the same?
[03:50:51] <freetown> then you have to setup the files
[03:51:02] <auuuun> freetown,how?
[03:51:10] <alanc> same repo, just more packages and newer versions in it
[03:51:24] <freetown> you need to create a file called /etc/hostname.(nameofnicdriver)
[03:51:28] <cads> abisen, there was an old trick I remember where you'd put an iso file on a lone partition, and use that along with some way of booting from the iso on that partition
[03:51:50] <freetown> auuuun, eg: hostname.rge0
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[03:52:07] <freetown> auuuun, what nic do you have?
[03:52:26] <cads> abisen, but I don't remember what as used to boot from the iso
[03:52:30] <e^ipi> freetown: S10SAG documents all this, and is much faster to read, plus you learn stuff that you didn't intend to
[03:52:38] <alanc> if you have a bunch of space available on an existing hard disk, you could possibly use virtualbox to run under Linux or Windows
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[03:53:03] <freetown> e^ipi, i don't remember the links :P
[03:53:09] <e^ipi> it's in the /topic
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[03:54:09] <abisen> and did anybody here tried  xVM on Solaris to install some sort of linux ? some gotcha's that i should know about...
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[03:54:38] <freetown> e^ipi, this setup static ip thing on Indy is probably a FAQ...any FAQ on opensolaris.org?
[03:55:24] <freetown> will nwam in 200811 support static ips?
[03:55:34] <auuuun> I lost messages because I reload this webpage.
[03:56:07] <e^ipi> auuuun: /topic
[03:56:15] <e^ipi> auuuun: there are documents.
[03:56:22] <auuuun> If it difficult for me I should to wait 200811
[03:56:27] <e^ipi> disable nwam, enable network:physical
[03:56:33] <e^ipi> then try
[03:56:44] <auuuun> How to disable nwam?
[03:56:51] <e^ipi> with svcadm
[03:56:57] <freetown> svcadm disable physical:nwam
[03:57:04] <auuuun> where is svcadm?
[03:57:07] <freetown> oops
[03:57:13] <e^ipi> service admin
[03:57:18] <e^ipi> oh, where
[03:57:24] <e^ipi> /usr/bin IIRC
[03:57:32] <e^ipi> oh, /usr/sbin
[03:59:37] <auuuun> I founded services in admin : physical:nwam and network/physical.
[03:59:50] <auuuun> so I disable now?
[04:02:11] <freetown> yean...svcadm disable physical:nwam
[04:02:20] <freetown> svcadm enable physical:default
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[04:04:05] <freetown> auuuun, setting up a static ip on opensolaris is the same as solaris...the Solaris Administrator's Guide will help you there
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[04:41:42] <RavenSlay3r> very perrty http://sun.com
[04:41:59] <RavenSlay3r> when did they launch the re-design?
[04:42:28] <alanc> today
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[04:46:28] <spiff> hey, that wasn't half bad
[04:46:56] <RavenSlay3r> So far I like it!
[04:47:43] <RavenSlay3r> except I haven't been able to log-in to 'my connection' all week... :( anyone else notice that problem?
[04:47:48] <spiff> too bad its not everywhere
[04:48:00] <tCzern> k, I found out I cannot install anything with the Live  CD, because I cannot change to root, right?
[04:48:23] <tCzern> thought I could have a test run with some drivers for my audio hardware
[04:48:50] <RavenSlay3r> spiff: i'm sure it will go live a few pieces at a time. hopefully fixing 'my connection' will happen soon too,.
[04:49:57] <RavenSlay3r> tCzern: that dosen't sound right - you should be able to install stuff, and you can't/shouldn't need to switch to root becaus of RBAC
[04:50:47] <tCzern> the problem is, I don't have a hard drive. I was thinking of using a Flash Drive to install a test run
[04:51:18] <tCzern> I cannot navigate to this Flash drive, I think
[04:51:32] <tCzern> it says jack@opensolaris as user
[04:51:56] <tCzern> but then again, I may not know the proper command, kind new to this
[04:52:16] <e^ipi> you can't really effectively install on a flash drive
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[04:52:24] <e^ipi> just partition up your harddrive or something
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[04:58:30] <jerrl> hello ,How can I install a SUNWdistro-const package to my own box?
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[05:06:40] <tCzern> e^ipi: thanks
[05:06:59] <tCzern> I figured the error message out, my hard disk is bad
[05:07:19] <tCzern> Windows seems to be more tolerant with this than opensolaris
[05:08:22] <e^ipi> yeah
[05:09:04] <e^ipi> plus side to that is that you know to replace the disks when stuff starts happening, rather than like windows where it just suddenly dies one day
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[05:27:38] <syndrome71> Say - Anyone happen to know if there is a procedure for mirroring IPS repositories yet? I found a thread from a couple of months ago that said it was not far off, but no resolution yet... ?
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[05:28:32] <kenokabe> does anyone know when is 2008.11 release?
[05:29:06] <syndrome71> I don't, but I'd expect it'll be this month... ;)
[05:29:16] <kenokabe> P)
[05:29:48] <kenokabe> some article said kde4.1 IPS will be available
[05:29:51] <kenokabe> is it true
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[05:35:15] <Gman> kenokabe: not for this release - at least not from the main rpo
[05:35:30] <kenokabe> oh
[05:35:33] <kenokabe> thanks
[05:36:01] <kenokabe> is there anyway now to get kde4.1 binary from somewhere?
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[05:40:26] <tCzern> are all hard disks compatible with open solaris?
[05:40:59] <kenokabe> my thinkpad sata won't work with opensolaris
[05:41:02] <kenokabe> ahci mode
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[05:41:21] <kenokabe> need to change compatible mode of ide
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[06:01:20] <jbk> is there a make target for ON that builds the bfu archives?
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[06:50:04] <abisen> okay i just installed opensolaris 2008.11 and the grub is not working so i booted again with the live CD how can i mount the existing partition on which i just installed the OS "mount /dev/rdsk/c3d0p0 /tmp/mntpt/" says that its' not a valid block device
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[06:59:12] <CIA-60> Shantkumar Hiremath<Shantkumar.Hiremath at Sun dot COM>: 6731804 fwflash needs to support ConnectX/hermon HCAs
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[07:07:08] <abisen> i am having grub woes after installing 2008.11 could somebody help me fix it ? After stage2 i just get a grub> menu
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[07:59:30] <codestr0m> morning
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[08:06:21] <e^ipi> nonsense
[08:06:25] <e^ipi> it's 11 at night
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[08:10:53] <CosmicDJ> nope, it's 7 AM UTC, conclusion -> you're living in the wrong part of the world
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[08:11:04] <CosmicDJ> moin btw
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[08:23:46] <not-me-guv> mornin'
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[09:10:51] <DTEIT> morning
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[09:25:20] <lkthomas> guys
[09:25:20] <lkthomas> # vi
[09:25:20] <lkthomas> xterm-color: Unknown terminal type
[09:25:20] <lkthomas> Visual needs addressable cursor or upline capability
[09:25:25] <lkthomas> anyone know why is it happening ?
[09:33:07] <DTEIT> set the term as xterm
[09:34:10] <qiyong> is wireless supported now?
[09:34:15] <qiyong> well supported
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[09:44:48] <auuuun> I installed opensolaris arealdy , and how can I install java ?
[09:45:23] <trygvis> did you install 2008.05?
[09:45:32] <auuuun> yes.
[09:45:41] <trygvis> if so I think you have to do use "pkg install SUNWjava"
[09:45:51] <trygvis> or pkg search java (dunno)
[09:46:22] <auuuun> I found java but can't find javac
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[09:46:36] <qiyong> where is the ethernet driver located in the source tree?
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[09:50:17] <lkthomas> DTEIT, on client or server side ?
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[09:54:10] <DTEIT> lkthomas: server
[09:55:14] <lkthomas> may I ask how to set it ?
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[09:56:58] <DTEIT> lkthomas: i use bash and i set it with export TERM=xterm
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[09:59:39] <lkthomas> hmm
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[10:04:21] <codestr0m> anyone ever gotten this when trying to install a new zone?
[10:04:22] <codestr0m> sys:1: DeprecationWarning: Non-ASCII character '\x90' in file /usr/sbin/zoneadm on line 2, but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details
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[10:05:47] <codestr0m> nvm.. it's my fault
[10:05:50] <CosmicDJ> qiyong: there's more than one ethernet driver in solaris
[10:06:20] <codestr0m> qiyong: read onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/README it will give you more of an idea about where stuff is
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[10:14:05] <morettoni> hello people ;)
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[10:18:47] <noptrix> hi
[10:18:54] <morettoni> hi noptrix
[10:19:06] <noptrix> hi morettoni
[10:19:08] <noptrix> what's up
[10:20:45] <morettoni> the winter is coming in middle italy ;)
[10:20:54] <noptrix> hehe:)
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[10:22:20] <coolvibe> hm, anyone here familiar with logical domains
[10:22:46] <coolvibe> I'm having issues with scp and sftp sessions stalling on logical domains and it's driving me nuts
[10:23:39] <coolvibe> it will send like a bit, and then just stall. The recieving process (ssh or sftp-server) seem to hang around even when I ^C the transfer
[10:23:55] <coolvibe> normal ssh works though
[10:24:36] <chrisg> what about abnormal ssh?
[10:24:47] <coolvibe> chrisg: define abnormal :)
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[10:25:15] <coolvibe> I tried stuff like ssh <user>@host> cat <file> > blah, but that doesn't work as well
[10:25:24] <coolvibe> looks like a network issue with ldm almost :(
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[10:26:13] <coolvibe> it will just sit there and block
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[10:27:46] <CosmicDJ> coolvibe: is your firmware up2date?
[10:28:23] <CosmicDJ> http://blogs.sun.com/damienf/entry/t1_t2_firmware_staying_current
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[10:28:48] <coldsun> Hello
[10:28:55] <coldsun> Can u help me?
[10:29:13] <coolvibe> CosmicDJ: I have ldm 1.0.3, that's the latest one afaik
[10:29:14] <coldsun> I run pkg install SUNWgcc from my OpenSolaris
[10:29:38] <coldsun> But...
[10:29:52] <coldsun> 1. Can I download this package from Windows?
[10:30:20] <coldsun> 2. How can I learn about dependencies between packages?
[10:31:46] <mihaic> M..
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[10:32:41] <coldsun> Hellllooo!!!
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[10:33:21] <coldsun> I run "pkg install SUNWgcc" from my OpenSolaris. Can I download this package from Windows?
[10:34:48] <CosmicDJ> not yet; but they're working on it IIRC
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[10:35:32] <coldsun> How can I learn about dependencies between packages?
[10:35:49] <CosmicDJ> the pkg command will take care of that
[10:35:54] <coldsun> OK... CAN I download SUNWgcc from http????
[10:37:24] <e^ipi> IPS uses http to transfer packages
[10:37:41] <e^ipi> roughly
[10:39:31] <coldsun> Sorry. I'm novice. What is IPS?
[10:39:53] <CosmicDJ> the tech. behind pkg
[10:40:46] <coldsun> Ok
[10:40:56] <coldsun> Thank you
[10:41:22] <coldsun> But I meaned... Can I download needful package from some website???
[10:41:33] <e^ipi> some of them
[10:41:47] <e^ipi> if they're sysV packages
[10:42:01] <coldsun> Yesterday somebody told me that packages from sunfreeware.org are bad...
[10:42:33] <coldsun> But I don't know sites where I can find, for example, SUNWgcc package
[10:42:50] <coldsun> Can u give me advices?
[10:43:02] <hrist> iirc SUNWgcc is on the sxce dvd
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[10:43:08] <CosmicDJ> coolvibe: sure, connect your opensolaris box to the internet ;)
[10:43:14] <hrist> heh
[10:43:31] <CosmicDJ> coolvibe: sry
[10:43:40] <CosmicDJ> coldsun: sure, connect your opensolaris box to the internet ;)
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[10:47:19] <CosmicDJ> coldsun: honestly, opensolaris 2008.xy is pretty much useless with an internet connection
[10:47:27] <CosmicDJ> with+out
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[10:55:10] <codestr0m> is there an easy way to convert a zone to a vmware image?
[10:55:36] <trygvis> perhaps if you have a whole root
[10:55:40] <trygvis> but it won't be easy
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[10:56:27] <codestr0m> yeah.. I don't plan to inherit from the global zone.. , but wasn't sure if there was a trick to make this easier
[10:56:39] <mihaic> codestr0m: there's a way to turn your cock into a vagina..
[10:56:49] <mihaic> Makes about as much sense as what you're trying.
[10:57:50] <coldsun> CosmicDJ: so you can't give me url with SUNWgcc?
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[10:59:05] <codestr0m> mihaic: wow.. sorry about your luck this morning.. maybe you should ask before opening your vagina and being stupid
[10:59:38] * codestr0m back to ignoring trolls..
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[11:01:04] *** codestr0m was kicked by e^ipi (e^ipi)
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[11:01:13] <e^ipi> had just about enough of his bullshit
[11:01:21] <coldsun> Triskelios: hello
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[11:05:32] <CosmicDJ> coldsun: nope, the only way to get the right gcc is to use the pkg command...
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[11:07:29] <coldsun> CosmicDJ: thank you
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[11:07:54] <tsoome> anyone done zfs root install on sparc?
[11:08:23] <CosmicDJ> a few month ago with sxce...
[11:08:42] <tsoome> can you show vtoc?
[11:08:56] <CosmicDJ> I don't have that box anymore, sry
[11:10:00] <tsoome> i have done slice from 0 to $ (whole disk), created rpool on c0t1d0s0 and lucreate fails with message ERROR: ZFS pool <rpool> does not support boot environments
[11:10:59] <Stric> tsoome: did you do gzip compression?
[11:11:02] <twisti> e^ipi, It's very strange how this channel is managed.
[11:11:14] <tsoome> nope
[11:11:30] <quasi> e^ipi++
[11:11:57] <twisti> Why did you kick him when the other guy started with the shit?
[11:12:08] <twisti> He was just asking a simple question.
[11:12:35] <CosmicDJ> indeed
[11:13:05] <e^ipi> because he's been abusive for months already and that was just the last straw
[11:13:35] <e^ipi> mihaic on the other hand is generally helpful
[11:13:49] <CosmicDJ> what? I've been in this channel for quite some time and I never read anything hostile from codestorm
[11:14:04] <twisti> Well, but community is not about only having people who are helpful.
[11:14:14] <CosmicDJ> and this pussy/dick comparision wasn't polite IMHO
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[11:15:28] <twisti> Sun and OpenSolaris wants to get into the OSS community thing and this channel is not the best signboard (if that word is correct).
[11:16:01] <twisti> e^ipi, Not all people know as much as you do, but they come here to get help and probably to give something back, if they can.
[11:16:05] <hrist> representation maybe
[11:16:07] <twisti> That's how it works.
[11:16:15] <twisti> Thanks hrist
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[11:16:37] <e^ipi> you're right that mihaic wasn't in the right
[11:16:52] <twisti> I talked to codestr0m a lot recently and his was always polite and helpful.
[11:17:15] <twisti> I'm a bit concerned about your manners.
[11:18:53] <e^ipi> oh relax
[11:19:03] <e^ipi> with the exception of spammers, my bans don't last that long
[11:19:16] <e^ipi> spammers can die in a fire...
[11:19:57] <CosmicDJ> one could assume you kicked him because you don't like him
[11:19:59] <twisti> It's not about spammers.
[11:20:05] <twisti> That's the point.
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[11:20:50] <CosmicDJ> thus abusing your @...
[11:20:56] <twisti> I think this channel does not handle new people the way it should.
[11:21:45] <twisti> I'm also fairly new to OpenSolaris and I want to use it and I'm happy if there is an official channel were I can get help, in case.
[11:22:05] <twisti> That's what OSS communities are about.
[11:22:06] <trygvis> twisti: that makes two of us
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[11:23:06] <CosmicDJ> wb
[11:23:11] <twisti> I'm now for a long time in free Java communities and I like it.
[11:23:13] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: thanks
[11:23:26] <codestr0m> did I miss anything interesting?
[11:23:33] <e^ipi> not really
[11:23:34] <twisti> Of course sometimes new people come in asking stupid questions, but you can handle it, politely.
[11:23:39] <e^ipi> now watch your mouth
[11:23:54] <e^ipi> twisti: "see the docs" is handling it appropriately
[11:24:20] <codestr0m> e^ipi: if you're going to ban people be fair.. I was not the one who started that.. and frankly.. you're on auto-ignore (again) and I have nothing more to say to you
[11:24:39] <twisti> It's not what you say, but how you say it.
[11:25:17] <CosmicDJ> "Do you want to educate/help your audience or do you want to show off your knowledge and make everyone else look/feel like an idiot?"
[11:25:33] <CosmicDJ> like this?
[11:25:40] <twisti> Right, the later is (sometimes) the case in this channel.
[11:26:09] <twisti> It seems like there are a lot of long-time Solaris users/admins, who know everything.
[11:26:39] <twisti> It's good they know everything, fine.  Take your knowledge and share it!
[11:26:45] <codestr0m> to be fair. I can understand the frustration.. in those cases.. I find it's best to just shut-up and do my best to ignore instead of being rude or coming across as arrogant
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[11:29:47] <e^ipi> why, when you can point them at the docs
[11:30:07] <e^ipi> then the clueless newbie coming in reads them, learns more than they asked for, and ceases to be a clueless newbie
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[11:31:05] <MrData_> gentlemen be as your moms always told you to be: nice.
[11:31:17] <trygvis> because that just doesn't work and they will see you as arrogant because you give them the "I don't have time for you, go over there and don't bother me"
[11:31:50] <trygvis> in particular when you end up kicking and banning them if they come back after they didn't find the particular command they where after between the thousands of pages on docs.sun.com
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[11:34:36] <e^ipi> when has that ever happened?
[11:35:06] <cypromis> this is not #linux
[11:35:15] <cypromis> haven't seen anybody being kicked or banned in aeons
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[11:35:47] <CosmicDJ> 12:02 -!- mode/#OpenSolaris [+b *!*@unaffiliated/codestr0m] by e^ipi
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[11:35:52] <e^ipi> not entirely true, i've banned tor because it's a spam gateway, and i kicked codestr0m for being abusive
[11:35:55] <CosmicDJ> 12:02 -!- codestr0m was kicked from #opensolaris by e^ipi [e^ipi]
[11:36:08] <cypromis> hehe
[11:36:11] <CosmicDJ> cypromis: I've seen one half an hour ago...
[11:36:20] <cypromis> was probably one of those moments where I slept a bit
[11:36:22] <cypromis> :D
[11:36:25] <codestr0m> cypromis: :)
[11:36:29] <trygvis> "abusive"? for asking a (maybe silly in your opinion but not mine) question?
[11:36:32] <codestr0m> wake up.. your phone is ringing
[11:37:00] <xRaich[o]2x> hi folks
[11:37:05] <cypromis> hi you
[11:37:11] <codestr0m> cypromis: btw.. In the very near future there's something I'd like to test to see if we can make fs a lot faster on osol
[11:37:16] <xRaich[o]2x> hi cypromis
[11:37:17] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: hej
[11:37:27] <cypromis> codestr0m: let me know
[11:37:32] <xRaich[o]2x> hey codestr0m
[11:37:39] <codestr0m> cypromis: will do..
[11:37:40] <cypromis> I have a couple of boxes running 2-3k calls in parallel right now on SUN x2100
[11:37:45] <cypromis> pretty nice
[11:38:05] <cypromis> last problem I currently have is that something is wrong with mod_sofia and I cannot make it do TLS
[11:38:07] <codestr0m> quite.. are they doing any codec translation or is that just traffic?
[11:38:11] <cypromis> some linking crap
[11:38:13] <e^ipi> <codestr0m> mihaic: wow.. sorry about your luck this morning.. maybe you should ask before opening your vagina and being stupid
[11:38:14] <cypromis> openssl drives me mad
[11:38:24] <e^ipi> that was the reason i kb'd him for that 10 mins there
[11:38:45] <codestr0m> cypromis: don't worry.. In my little experiment I'm running the most recent version for better or worse
[11:39:00] <CosmicDJ> 11:58 < mihaic> codestr0m: there's a way to turn your cock into a vagina..
[11:39:02] <trygvis> e^ipi: which was *after* this: "10:58 < mihaic> codestr0m: there's a way to turn your cock into a vagina.."
[11:39:06] <CosmicDJ> sry but I would've written the same
[11:39:11] <cypromis> codestr0m, I do that every day
[11:39:13] <CosmicDJ> as codestr0m
[11:39:18] <cypromis> mostly since I run the CI servers
[11:43:05] <CosmicDJ> e^ipi: that comment was just to provoke codestr0m IMHO
[11:43:10] <mihaic> Jebus. What's with the whole huggy feely attitude? It's called sarcasm, and a fair comparison to migrating zones to vmware imho.
[11:43:45] <mihaic> Don't you have better things to do?
[11:43:56] <CosmicDJ> don't you?
[11:44:05] <mihaic> Yes.
[11:44:40] <CosmicDJ> we'll see
[11:48:03] <CosmicDJ> the new sun.com site looks nice...
[11:49:04] <e^ipi> it's web2.4.21-rc3
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[11:49:45] <cypromis> pre4
[11:49:51] <cypromis> and noone knows when rc4 will be released
[11:49:53] <cypromis> ;)
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[11:53:30] <CosmicDJ> rc5 should introduce theora encoded videos IMHO ;)
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[12:04:46] <FearMoth> Hi.. In order to install OpenSolaris 2008/05 I had to add acpi-user-options=0x2 at the grub menu. However, when I reboot and append the same, or =0x8 to grub, it hangs on "isa0 at root" quite similar to http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=290787&tstart=0  .. I've got an Acer Aspire 5570 laptop, anybody have any idea why it's not booting or what i can do?
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[12:08:01] <cr0w> hey, does solaris support gcc?
[12:08:47] <mihaic> gcc works on Solaris, yes.
[12:09:06] <mihaic> grep gcc /var/sadm/install/contents. Should already be installed in /usr/sfw/bin/gcc on most systems. pkginfo | grep gcc
[12:09:18] <mihaic> SunStudio is also an option though.
[12:10:10] <mihaic> Do note you'll probably want to use gmake also.
[12:11:01] <cr0w> mihaic, does opensolaris have any c/c++ compiler by default?
[12:11:25] <CosmicDJ> 2008.xy?
[12:11:30] <cr0w> and, does it support gtk/qt?
[12:11:43] <mihaic> cr0w: You'll have to pkg install it.
[12:11:55] <mihaic> pkg install gcc-dev
[12:12:07] <cr0w> k thanks
[12:12:09] <CosmicDJ> and/or ss-dev
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[12:12:22] <mihaic> pkg install sunstudioexpress for Sun Studio
[12:12:45] <mihaic> Mind the PATH though.
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[12:17:51] <cypromis> ss-dev will give you all the dependant headers
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[12:17:59] <cypromis> sunstudioexpress will just give you studio
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[12:25:11] <coolvibe> grmbl, ILOM firmware update didn't help one bit. scp and sftp transfers still stall on logical domains
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[12:37:54] <Stric> coolvibe: test case?
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[12:39:04] <coolvibe> Stric: I solved it... I have to punish my local network administrator it seems...
[12:39:20] <Stric> duplex?
[12:39:41] <coolvibe> no, some filtering crap on the network is playing haywire with ssh transfer
[12:39:46] <Stric> nice
[12:39:55] <coolvibe> yah, very... grmbl
[12:40:16] <coolvibe> oh well, at least NFS seems to work :P
[12:41:01] <CosmicDJ> ssh is blocked and nfs works? you have a strange net admin over there ;)
[12:41:27] <coolvibe> CosmicDJ: I suspect it's a misconfiguration
[12:41:44] <coolvibe> NFS *and* ssh file transfer should both just work
[12:41:46] <PerterB> maybe they forgot to block UDP too ;)
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[12:41:56] <coolvibe> PerterB: wouldn't that be nice...
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[12:43:10] <coolvibe> Well, the guy is a bit flustered and distracted lately, which wouldn't be surprising since he just became a dad
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[12:54:21] <Dakylla> hi
[12:54:53] <Dakylla> i just installed opensolaris and at reboot, i have grub's prompt
[12:55:13] <Dakylla> how can i boot the system to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst please ?
[12:56:29] <Stric> it's in /rpool/ something I think
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[12:56:51] <Stric> oh.. it doesn't boot.. hm.
[12:57:04] <Dakylla> not at all
[12:57:27] <Stric> then I would guess that it failed, so it won't boot anyway..
[12:57:38] <Stric> (not necessarily true though)
[12:57:43] <Dakylla> what should i give for root (hdx,x) ?
[12:58:18] <Stric> Dakylla: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/submitted/zfs_root_clone.jsp
[12:58:42] <Stric> that has menu.lst listing.. which is just commands to grub..
[12:58:59] <Dakylla> cool, im gonna read this
[12:59:02] <Dakylla> thx
[13:00:01] <Dakylla> is opensolaris zfs root enabled ?
[13:01:44] <timsf> Dakylla: yes
[13:01:57] <xRaich[o]2x> Dakylla: what grub are you using? was it installed by linux or opensolaris?
[13:03:08] <Dakylla> opensolaris
[13:03:24] <Dakylla> i've no other os on the system
[13:03:29] <xRaich[o]2x> ah ok
[13:03:44] <xRaich[o]2x> so i was barking up the wrong tree here ^^
[13:04:31] <tsoome> instead of manual clone u can use lucreate:)
[13:04:46] <Dakylla> tsoome: ?
[13:04:55] <Dakylla> kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix -B $ZFS-BOOTFS
[13:05:09] <Dakylla> connot mount selected partition
[13:05:11] <Dakylla> :s
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[13:07:10] <Dakylla> Stric: the instructions do not work
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[13:12:13] <trochej> Coffee
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[13:13:52] <xRaich[o]2x> trochej: yes please
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[13:42:26] <lewq> Hey everyone - I'm trying to build the Spread Toolkit on OpenSolaris 08-05, but am getting errors: stdhash_erase_key                   ../libspread/libspread.a(fl.to) ... ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to flush_user - I'm using gmake, and am guessing the C++ STL isn't installed, how can I install it?
[13:44:02] <lewq> I've already got SUNWcpp, SUNWgcc, etc etc - everything I can find in pkg search which looks appropriate
[13:45:59] <lewq> Actually it looks like stdutil is a C library... hmm. http://www.cnds.jhu.edu/software/stdutil/ - I'll try compiling and installing that first then
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[14:32:34] <james1> hello
[14:32:50] <codestr0m> james1: hi
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[14:33:29] <james1> codestr0m: hello
[14:33:46] <james1> where can i find solaris gcc ?
[14:34:43] <xRaich[o]2x> pkg install SUNWgcc
[14:35:51] <james1> xRaich[o]2x: i'm using SXCE 101
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[14:36:26] <xRaich[o]2x> ok i don't. so no idea ;)
[14:36:42] <james1> xRaich[o]2x: ok thank you
[14:37:21] <CosmicDJ> james1: should be in /usr/sfw/bin if you installed Everything
[14:38:09] <james1> CosmicDJ: true i have it now
[14:38:49] <james1> CosmicDJ: i want install mplayer from that url is it recomanded by solaris  http://www.solaris4you.dk/sunsolaris.html
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[14:41:44] <CosmicDJ> james1: use blastwave if you want a binary package...
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[14:49:46] <h3sp4wn> There is a japanese site (called something like lifewithsolaris.jp) that has packages of multimedia stuff (and an IPS repo)
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[15:16:15] <james1> h3sp4wn: thnk you it' good but the problem i don't like south asia people
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[15:18:59] <eirikb> Is there something similar to 'lspci'? I tried prtconf, and with prtconf -pv. It gives some info, but a lot of info, and quite messy. And where can I see information on my CPU? (Name, type, speed etc)
[15:20:01] <xRaich[o]2x> eirikb: scanpci
[15:20:13] <eirikb> xRaich[o]2x: No PCI devices found
[15:20:16] <xRaich[o]2x> isn't that in rosetta?
[15:20:19] <xRaich[o]2x> eirikb: as root
[15:20:23] <eirikb> Ah :)
[15:20:43] <eirikb> It's still a bit messy, but much better. Thanks alot
[15:20:54] <xRaich[o]2x> what's messy about it?
[15:21:12] <eirikb> Nothing, sorry.
[15:21:23] <eirikb> And how can I see CPU information?
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[15:22:05] <xRaich[o]2x> i would check it on my solaris box. but sadly that blew up yesterday
[15:22:28] <xRaich[o]2x> kstat should help
[15:22:40] <eirikb> My condolences
[15:23:07] <xRaich[o]2x> it was an old box, ordered a new one yesterday ^^
[15:23:13] <eirikb> kstat did tell me a stuff or two or 300 000. I'll have a look in man
[15:23:16] <xRaich[o]2x> it's evolution baby
[15:23:22] <eirikb> Hehe
[15:23:27] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: hw failure?
[15:23:35] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: yep
[15:23:57] <xRaich[o]2x> cpu went toast
[15:26:01] <xRaich[o]2x> eirikb: you could do something like kstat | grep cpu. that's what i would do since i don't really know what info it provides
[15:26:41] <eirikb> I tried kstat -p -m cpu_stat -s 'intr*'
[15:27:26] <xRaich[o]2x> don't have the manpage at hand, but if it's provides the info you want it's cool :P
[15:28:06] <eirikb> I think so, I get some numbers at least :D Thanks
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[15:28:15] <xRaich[o]2x> no problem
[15:28:36] <h3sp4wn> maybe if you want less detailed information prstat would be better
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[15:29:20] <eirikb> h3sp4wn: prstat ~= top?
[15:29:47] <xRaich[o]2x> prstat > top
[15:29:52] <eirikb> :)
[15:31:25] <h3sp4wn> Its about as good as atop if you ever used that (with the kernel patch)
[15:32:04] <h3sp4wn> eirikb: It doesn't have to run like top though it can give you a one off listing
[15:32:21] <eirikb> I've used top, normaly I use htop. But since I've changed to opensolratis I've used ps ^^
[15:33:45] <xRaich[o]2x> eirikb: you should check out the rosetta stone. /topic
[15:33:53] <xRaich[o]2x> helps a lot when you are new to solaris ;)
[15:34:10] <eirikb> I will, thanks :)
[15:34:17] <xRaich[o]2x> at least it helped me :P
[15:34:32] <eirikb> Oooh nice, commands :D
[15:35:00] <h3sp4wn> It helped me and I was (am ?) have the Sun System Administrator certs
[15:35:24] <h3sp4wn> excuse crap english - but they were for solaris 2.6 or 7 I forget which
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[15:37:43] <lkthomas-home> hey guys
[15:38:02] <lkthomas-home> is there have any diff if I use scp with compression on same gigabit ethernet ?
[15:38:10] <lkthomas-home> I mean, same gbit eth network
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[15:48:55] <codestr0m> is there any easy way to determine the headers from ON which need to be installed in a system w/o running make install or any other nightly tools? there multiple include/ dir and some scattered inc/ around as well (eg some libs), but wasn't sure if there was any logical/central way to figure out who/what/where
[15:50:33] <tynar> codestr0m, hi, can you share your bash profile with me if it is possible? sometimes i want to compile from source, sometimes I install from sunfreeware, I would prefer to set my bash profile as yours, since I think yours is set correctly
[15:51:13] <codestr0m> tynar: honestly. I don't use bash :) I use tcsh..
[15:51:28] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: is the guy to ping about sane default shell rc files
[15:51:30] <tynar> oops
[15:51:51] <tynar> what was that :) I have never heard about that
[15:51:54] <codestr0m> if/when he's around I'd bet he may pastie his for you
[15:52:18] <xRaich[o]2x> same here: i don't use bash ;)
[15:52:37] <codestr0m> hehehe.. come on.. don't you even have an rc for him :P
[15:52:57] <xRaich[o]2x> nope, sad but true ^^
[15:53:23] <codestr0m> tynar: grab a linux box and pull one off there..
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[15:53:40] <teknoprep> hi all
[15:53:49] <teknoprep> how do i force opensolaris to boot in 32bit mode ?
[15:54:27] <codestr0m> teknoprep: multiboot should decide the correct kernel. why?
[15:54:37] <teknoprep> i want to change it to 32bit
[15:54:44] <teknoprep> no reason on asking why becuase its what i want to do
[15:54:44] <holcomb> you have to specify it in grub
[15:54:46] <teknoprep> its a long reason
[15:55:00] <teknoprep> thank you holcomb, also i think i just found that out on google
[15:55:21] <holcomb> oh phew.  i was about to look it up
[15:56:31] <codestr0m> teknoprep: my question of why was more a trying to understand the root problem.. that's all (for example. driver issue. etc)
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[15:58:26] <teknoprep> its a bios issue
[15:58:38] <teknoprep> i don't want to update the bios and i don't need 64bit
[15:58:54] <teknoprep> its also running inside of vmware
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[15:59:20] <codestr0m> well. you seemed pretty clear you knew what you wanted to do :)
[15:59:26] <codestr0m> I know that feeling
[16:00:06] <teknoprep> thank you
[16:00:13] <teknoprep> well it fixed my boot issue
[16:00:16] <teknoprep> it was bottimg sometimes
[16:00:19] <teknoprep> and other times it wasn't
[16:00:37] <teknoprep> erroneous system issues were happening becuase i didn't have the - bios microde patch erratum 131
[16:00:46] <teknoprep> for amd opteron
[16:01:10] <codestr0m> it's funny. I'm trying to go the other way.. entirely 64bit :P
[16:01:23] <teknoprep> this is a 12 hdd array
[16:01:38] <codestr0m> if you aren't cpu bound and it's in vmware.. why care
[16:01:51] <codestr0m> zfs does like a 64bit cpu from what little I know
[16:02:15] <teknoprep> that i have disk access setup with 2 hdd's as a Hardware RAID-1... this is for the OS ... then i have 10 hdd's mounted inside of OpenSolaris.. which i share back to itself over iSCSI
[16:02:16] <holcomb> i love updating bioses
[16:02:28] <teknoprep> allowing for faster hdd access and more redundancy that the system allows
[16:02:38] <teknoprep> i can also use the storage array for running VM's
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[16:28:49] <lkthomas-home> LOL
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[16:28:59] <lkthomas-home> copy 1TB file using scp over gbit network is slow
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[16:30:20] <coolvibe> lkthomas-home: use -c blowfish, it might go somewhat faster
[16:30:27] <lkthomas-home> hmm
[16:30:40] <coolvibe> standard crypt with ssh is 3des
[16:30:52] <lkthomas-home> is it possible to disable crypt ?
[16:31:06] <coolvibe> lkthomas-home: there are patches for that, but standard? no
[16:31:13] <lkthomas-home> .......
[16:31:41] <coolvibe> it is possible, just not conveniently easy :)
[16:31:52] <coolvibe> there are patches that implement -c none
[16:32:00] <lkthomas-home> I see
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[16:32:15] <lkthomas-home> isn't sambafs/nfs run faster than scp ?
[16:32:31] <coolvibe> yep, because there's no encryption involved :)
[16:32:47] <lkthomas-home> shit
[16:32:50] <lkthomas-home> I should choose cifs
[16:33:02] <Asako> does solaris have sshfs?
[16:33:12] <coolvibe> cifs doesnt crypt file streams as well, only auth
[16:33:14] <codestr0m> lkthomas-home: make sure to also use -C so you get compression
[16:33:22] <lkthomas-home> I did
[16:33:29] <lkthomas-home> but not sure if -C could help
[16:33:41] <codestr0m> should if you're network bound
[16:33:58] <lkthomas-home> 5.5hours only copy 150GB data
[16:34:09] <lkthomas-home> over gbit eth seems a bit slow ?
[16:34:38] <_mary_kate_> Asako: no, but it does something like FUSE using NFS, so you could write one
[16:34:42] <coolvibe> lkthomas-home: hm, what is your MTU?
[16:34:43] <_mary_kate_> Asako: it's how the ext2/3 driver works
[16:34:57] <lkthomas-home> 1.5K
[16:35:01] <coolvibe> lkthomas-home: and what about the other box
[16:35:06] <lkthomas-home> same
[16:35:09] <Asako> yeah, fuse for solaris would rock
[16:35:28] <coolvibe> lkthomas-home: isn't 1500 mtu a little on the small side for GigE?
[16:35:39] <lkthomas-home> I am not sure if the switch support it
[16:35:40] <Asako> I thought the ext2 driver was just a native file system driver
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[16:36:08] <_mary_kate_> Asako: the old one is, belenix have a new one
[16:36:31] <Asako> ah
[16:36:38] <Asako> I must be using the old one
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[16:37:00] <Asako> but whatever, it works
[16:37:47] <tynar> can someone share the bash profile with me if it is possible? sometimes i compile from source, sometimes I install from sunfreeware, I would prefer to set my bash profile correctly
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[16:38:25] <_mary_kate_> tynar: there is no "correct" profile.. the point of the profile is to set the options you personally want
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[16:38:52] <Asako> I'm still researching zfs failover options
[16:39:26] <codestr0m> tynar: opensolaris bashrc in google. first hit.. maybe you're lucky http://www.linuxdynasty.org/opensolaris-and-customizing-my-bashrc.html
[16:39:29] <tynar> who have libintl.so.3? please can I take it for solaris
[16:39:36] <Asako> you could use my bashrc
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[16:39:46] <codestr0m> tynar: you need to compile it..
[16:39:48] <tynar> Asako, send it
[16:39:57] <tynar> codestr0m libintl?
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[16:40:08] <Asako> one sec
[16:40:09] <codestr0m> you probably have one that came with the system
[16:40:29] <codestr0m> and if you need some gnu specific one. then you should really build it.. sfw would be the place I'd look if I were you
[16:41:28] <Asako> tynar, http://www.pastebin.ca/1247913 is mine, mostly copied from CentOS
[16:41:41] <tynar> Asako tnx I will chek it
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[16:42:19] <tynar> codestr0m: libintl comes default in /usr, but there is no with so.3 extension
[16:42:49] <codestr0m> tynar: /opt/csw/lib/libintl.so.3
[16:42:49] <codestr0m> /opt/csw/lib/libintl.so.3.4.0
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[16:43:43] <codestr0m> also get used to using pkg search to find things and -r will query remote
[16:43:51] <tynar> blastwaves?
[16:43:59] <codestr0m> tynar: IPS?
[16:44:14] <tynar> libintl.so.3 is blastwaves?
[16:44:39] <tynar> i have tried to add libintl.3.4.0 from sunfreeware, but i don't see there so.3 file
[16:46:03] <Asako> trying to build around an SPOF is tough
[16:46:40] <Tempt> Sure is.
[16:46:47] <Tempt> Keeps you on your toes.
[16:47:02] <tynar> can someone send me libintl.so.3 for sparc?
[16:47:12] <Asako> but we're also trying to be cheap, lol
[16:47:29] <tynar> heh i found one from NX's
[16:47:40] <Tempt> Asako: Which SPOF are you working around?
[16:49:54] <Asako> storage
[16:50:10] <Asako> with linux I can just have two boxes running drbd
[16:50:18] <Asako> still looking into sun cluster
[16:50:22] <tynar> Asako: actually, mine is same with yours, except ld library paths
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[16:50:37] <Tempt> SunCluster works very nicely.
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[16:50:51] <Asako> I also want the nas to be able to grow
[16:51:08] <Tempt> Building a NAS with some ZFS action?
[16:51:13] <Asako> yes
[16:51:22] <Asako> keeping track of which vm is on which storage server would suck
[16:51:33] <Tempt> Well, you get a choice of four filesystems either way, and SunCluster's HA-NFS works particularly well.
[16:51:35] <Asako> and right now all our virtuozzo boxes just have local storage
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[16:52:00] <Asako> I'd almost just have a giant zfs pool
[16:52:11] <Tempt> Well, you can certainly do that, too.
[16:52:19] <Asako> nfs servers attached to coraids
[16:52:30] <Asako> or just SAS enclosures
[16:52:50] <Asako> coraid is easy, add a shelf and grow the fs
[16:53:06] <Tempt> However you build it, SC will deliver the HA cluster you need for this job. ZFS is pretty easy to grow up, as long as you play by the rules.
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[16:53:14] <Asako> yeah
[16:53:19] <Asako> still learning zfs features
[16:53:37] <Asako> really I'd have to design something using the hardware we already have
[16:53:53] <Asako> they don't want to buy a san
[16:54:03] <Tempt> Either way, it'll work.
[16:54:10] <Asako> cool
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[16:54:43] <_mary_kate_> Tempt: doesn't SC need shared storage for ha-nfs?
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[16:55:01] <Tempt> Sounds like he has shared storage - he mentioned RAID boxes.
[16:55:27] <Asako> they're already in use
[16:55:29] <Tempt> Otherwise, add SNDR to the mix.
[16:55:32] <_mary_kate_> when i spoke to him yesterday he had two boxes with local storage and wanted to failover between them
[16:55:40] <Asako> that would be ideal
[16:55:41] <FearMoth> Hi.. In order to install OpenSolaris 2008/05 I had to add acpi-user-options=0x2 at the grub menu. However, when I reboot and append the same, or =0x8 to grub, it hangs on "isa0 at root" quite similar to http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=290787&tstart=0  .. I've got an Acer Aspire 5570 laptop, anybody have any idea why it's not booting or what i can do?
[16:55:47] <Asako> fully redundant storage
[16:55:52] * _mary_kate_ suggested AVS then too ;)
[16:56:02] <Tempt> AVS, SNDR, same thing.
[16:56:07] <_mary_kate_> i know
[16:56:33] <Tempt> Convergence time will go up.
[16:56:39] <Asako> hmm
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[16:56:55] <Asako> is sndr free?
[16:57:05] <_mary_kate_> it's integrated in opensolaris
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[16:57:13] <Tempt> Too easy.
[16:57:15] <_mary_kate_> in S10 it's free for "trial" but you have to pay $lots for support
[16:57:36] <Tempt> I think they might have shaken the licensing up recently.
[16:57:39] <lkthomas-home> guys
[16:57:48] <lkthomas-home> if I want to direct connect two solaris together using cat6
[16:57:58] <_mary_kate_> hm, that would be nice... when i looked at it last, it was rather expensive even for small amounts of storage
[16:57:59] <lkthomas-home> should I modify default gateway to pointing it each other ?
[16:58:09] <mbp1> anyone know if there is an existing bug filed for changing the "jack" user to something that sounds a little less "homemade"?
[16:58:32] <codestr0m> lkthomas-home: there's no router :P just make sure it's a cross cable
[16:58:33] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: Well, cheaper than VVR.
[16:58:40] <lkthomas-home> yes
[16:58:48] <lkthomas-home> but then how to deal with ip address ?
[16:58:52] <codestr0m> giving them both ip and you should be able to ping
[16:58:56] <_mary_kate_> lkthomas-home: just assign an IP from an unused subnet to each machine
[16:59:02] <_mary_kate_> lkthomas: like 10.255.0.1 and 10.255.0.2
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[16:59:13] <lkthomas-home> what about default gw ?
[16:59:18] <Asako> http://blogs.sun.com/AVS/entry/avs_and_zfs_seamless sounds like what I need
[16:59:23] <codestr0m> lkthomas-home: no routing involved..
[16:59:24] <_mary_kate_> lkthomas-home: think about what a gateway is :)
[16:59:30] <lkthomas-home> right
[16:59:35] <_mary_kate_> lkthomas-home: you don't need a router for two directly connected machines to talk
[16:59:41] <lkthomas-home> yep
[16:59:43] <lkthomas-home> alright
[16:59:53] <Asako> there's just so much terminology to learn
[17:00:16] <lkthomas-home> avs isn't easy to deal with :P
[17:00:53] <Tempt> AVS is a walk in the park, as long as you read the documentation.
[17:00:57] <Asako> yeah
[17:00:59] <Tempt> Certainly less bullshit than VVR.
[17:01:18] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: maybe you can help with my corner question.. onnv-gate/usr/src/head/* had a lot of needed headers, but I'm trying to figure out all the headers that go from ON and end up getting installed
[17:01:37] <codestr0m> w/o running nightly/make install
[17:01:38] <_mary_kate_> codestr0m: i don't know much about the ON build process
[17:01:44] <_mary_kate_> gave up trying to contribute a while ago ;)
[17:01:44] <codestr0m> oh. ok
[17:01:45] <Asako> ok, time to build some test boxes
[17:03:47] <mbp1> codestr0m: what are you looking for exactly.. does listing the contents of SUNWhea give you what you need?
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[17:07:07] <codestr0m> mbp1: that's really put me on the right track. thanks! (looks like all header files and a few usr/include/rpcsvc/rquota.x which I'll have to look at)
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[17:52:21] <GEN0VA> [hi there, after a system crash i had to reboot the machine, where can i find the system log to watch what hapened? thanks]
[17:52:41] <holcomb> /var/crash
[17:52:54] <holcomb> has the kernel image and stuff.  anything that was logged will probably be in /var/adm/messages
[17:53:01] <GEN0VA> it didnt gives  me niformation its empty
[17:53:05] <holcomb> doh
[17:53:08] <GEN0VA> its not configured on syslog.conf
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[17:53:28] <GEN0VA> ok, grep var/adm/messages, which instruction?
[17:53:43] <GEN0VA> ERR ,or shutown didnt give me records
[17:54:00] <holcomb> try grep -i panic...?  depends on what happened
[17:54:25] <GEN0VA> ummh, panic its a good way to look for
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[17:59:21] <GEN0VA> sorry guys, this is so much extrange...
[17:59:27] <GEN0VA> i dont have logs
[17:59:46] <GEN0VA> Nov  7 15:21:54 WAP1505 su: [ID 366847 auth.info] 'su opwv' succeeded for root on /dev/???
[17:59:54] <GEN0VA> Nov  7 16:52:27 WAP1505 genunix: [ID 540533 kern.notice] ^MSunOS Release 5.10 Version Generic_127111-03 64-bit
[17:59:58] <GEN0VA> is this normal??
[18:01:34] <_mary_kate_> if you're running solaris 10, call sun support ;)
[18:01:46] <GEN0VA> heheeh, sure,
[18:01:57] <GEN0VA> but i have to make an idea of what happened
[18:02:00] <GEN0VA> before call
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[18:10:10] <mikeconcepts> No sound using an HDMI connection from 8600GTS video card to Sony TV as a monitor. Sound works without HDMI (using VGA output instead) and installing oss driver from 4Front so my ALC889a now works, but want to find a way to get HDMI working.
[18:11:40] <Asako> so solaris 10 doesn't have a zfs install?
[18:12:27] <_mary_kate_> Asako: update 6 adds zfs root
[18:12:39] <Asako> I just downloaded 10/08
[18:13:00] <_mary_kate_> you muse use the text installer, like it says when it asks you what kind of install to do
[18:13:00] <mikeconcepts> any recommended google searches regarding getting sound working when using HDMI connection to the TV?
[18:13:15] <Asako> ah, ok
[18:13:40] <Asako> guess I'll start over
[18:14:13] <Asako> I saw some acpi errors on the console
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[18:34:52] <james1> i'm so happy
[18:34:58] <james1> with my slaris hehehe
[18:35:16] <james1> if i want send gift to devloper how can i do that please
[18:35:21] <james1> i speak true
[18:35:36] <h3sp4wn> Buy a support contract
[18:35:41] <holcomb> heh
[18:36:00] <james1> h3sp4wn: it's possile to donate ???
[18:36:30] <h3sp4wn> james1: Not sure - Sun's not really a charity
[18:37:35] <james1> h3sp4wn: ok ok
[18:37:49] <h3sp4wn> james1: And seen as a huge percentage of the work is being paid for by Sun (and it would need it anyway for Solaris 11) its not really the same
[18:38:53] <h3sp4wn> james1: Maybe you could find something a specific person did who was non sun and send them a donation - I only know of the full open X project and ksh93 done by the community but there probably is other stuff
[18:39:48] <james1> h3sp4wn: tell , i fear about futur if SXCE will be by money
[18:40:03] <james1> h3sp4wn: for that i donate many of opensource projet
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[18:41:33] <james1> better to donate devlopers then wast money in concert or singer hehehe
[18:41:49] <h3sp4wn> james1: There is only ubuntu who gets by without paying important developers that I know of
[18:42:00] <h3sp4wn> and they only manage that by leeching off everyone else
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[18:42:39] <james1> h3sp4wn: and slackware , gentoo, ??
[18:42:43] <h3sp4wn> Sun has to (eventually) make money
[18:42:56] <victori_> ugh
[18:43:02] <h3sp4wn> james1: They are non commercial I don't have a problem with that
[18:43:04] <victori_> issues with zones, zone 'mail': Error: no active dataset.
[18:43:10] <victori_> what the heck is that supposed to mean?
[18:43:23] <james1> h3sp4wn: yes yes true
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[18:58:58] <CIA-59> Kacheong Poon <Kacheong.Poon at Sun dot COM>: 6768904 tcp_ordrel_mp is freed too early
[19:03:13] <james1> i don't know why trnsmission doesn't work and it doesn't give me any error in terminel
[19:03:19] <victori_> fsck is there any upgrade plans for zones for snv100?
[19:03:20] <james1> terminal*
[19:04:57] <e^ipi> james1, works for me *shrug*
[19:04:58] <sickness> victori_: is snv100 different from previous releases?
[19:05:03] <victori_> yes
[19:05:07] <victori_>  zones fail to start
[19:05:11] <victori_> due to dataset not being there
[19:05:17] <h3sp4wn> james1: It works for me on SXCE 101
[19:05:17] <victori_> they added "datasets" or something
[19:05:32] <e^ipi> james1, try transmission-daemon ?
[19:05:34] <victori_> i have some really large zones .. and this really fscks me
[19:05:56] <e^ipi> james1, ( it's a web interface... go to http://localhost:9091 after starting it )
[19:06:15] <h3sp4wn> victori_: Its unlikely they will release 2008.11 with broken zones support
[19:06:23] <victori_> it is not broken
[19:06:27] <victori_> they changed there format
[19:06:32] <victori_> the format
[19:06:37] <victori_> added datasets
[19:06:41] <victori_> ugh
[19:06:46] <victori_> this sucks the big one
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[19:06:59] <james1> e^ipi: thank you i try now
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[19:07:29] <e^ipi> and on that note, time for more espresso
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[19:09:52] <james1> e^ipi: good now but gtk why i can't use it
[19:10:21] <trochej> Coffee
[19:10:50] <e^ipi> james1, dunno
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[19:23:58] <abisen> where does nfs server in opensolaris logs the messages
[19:24:11] <abisen> i cant see any activity in /var/adm/messages is that the right place
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[19:24:37] <Doc> what are you expecting it to log?
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[19:25:04] <abisen> Doc: errors or some activity who mounted the fs et .al.
[19:25:17] <Doc> have you had any errors?
[19:25:21] <abisen> actually i am trying to install centos on a vm (dom-U)
[19:25:37] <abisen> and it's saying unable to mount ... and i can mount the nfs share locally
[19:25:45] <victori_> i hope they stop fscking with the zones format
[19:26:00] <victori_> this is becoming ridicules, every other update messes up zones
[19:26:04] <abisen> but for both cases i cannot see the log's so am not sure if this is a nfs issue (network i mean) on the xVM
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[19:31:03] <shadfc> hmm, though i read something about pkg having some problems with the 2008.05 install and that right after booting a newly installed system, I should update it.  Anyone got a pointer for me on that?
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[19:31:19] <shadfc> s/though/thought
[19:32:06] <comay> shadfc, yes please follow the instructions documented here http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/x86/#Update_Inst
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[19:32:40] <e^ipi> morning comay
[19:32:54] <comay> hey there e^ipi
[19:33:02] <e^ipi> how goes?
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[19:33:26] <shadfc> comay: ahh that was it.  Thanks!
[19:35:17] <h3sp4wn> victori_: SXCE has had zero problems with zones I know of
[19:35:26] <victori_> no problems
[19:35:30] <victori_> but unable to use old zones
[19:35:39] <victori_> due to some dataset features
[19:36:07] <victori_> zone 'web': Error: no active dataset.
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[19:56:41] <oden> hello
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[19:58:53] <CIA-59> Louis Tsien <Louis.Tsien at Sun dot COM>: 6765631 sun4v mem enumerator initialization leaks memory
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[20:04:20] <oden> hello everyone. i'm oden eriksson, i have been working for mandriva for many years now. a friend of mine told me i should look at opensolaris. so..., what's up?
[20:04:52] <e^ipi> umm...ceiling ?
[20:05:00] <quasi> not down
[20:05:59] <oden> surfs up dude
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[20:06:13] <h3sp4wn> oden: Is mandriva still kde by default ?
[20:08:38] <oden> yep. and now kde4. works bad.
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[20:09:53] <shadfc> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/IPS/sliminstall.html says that kerberos is disabled by default.  I'm having trouble joining this machine to the domain and it looks like kerberos isnt working -- is that a service i have to enable?
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[20:13:05] <h3sp4wn> oden: Have you tried it using the apache stdcxx (instead of the gnu provided one)
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[20:13:49] <e^ipi> the gnu C++ standard library is actually not that bad
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[20:13:58] <e^ipi> except for the fact that g++ breaks things constantly
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[20:14:12] <e^ipi> so you can't really use it in a practical situation
[20:14:20] <oden> h3sp4wn: no. i never made love with a stdcxx.
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[20:16:39] <oden> h3sp4wn: i'm a productifization or animation guy.
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[20:18:16] <e^ipi> that said, i'm glad we'll be shipping stdcxx because the one that studio comes with is pretty ... not good
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[20:23:29] <james1> please how can i update sxce
[20:23:46] <james1> it's not like opensolaris
[20:23:51] <h3sp4wn> james1: liveupgrade
[20:24:50] <h3sp4wn> james1: Its pretty simple really - google - liveupgrade zfs SXCE (The main docs are for alot of stuff you won't need to worry about
[20:25:13] <james1> h3sp4wn: thank you very much
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[20:26:28] <swankier> how do I make iscsitgtd listen on a particular address?
[20:27:52] <h3sp4wn> james1: mount -F hsfs /full/path/tonew/sol-nv.iso /mnt ; lucreate -n snv_101; luupgrade -u -s /mnt; luactivate -n snv_101; pfexec /sbin/init 6 (thats from the top of my head) - the only other thing is do the lucreate from cli or CDE otherwise gnome can end up really screwed up
[20:29:02] <holcomb> you need -n snv_101 for luupgrade right?
[20:29:11] <holcomb> don't tell me i've been wasting keystrokes all these years...
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[20:29:27] <oden> h3sp4wn: i didn't come here talking elite voodoo magic lingo. i want to know who i can talk to for a possible productization position.
[20:29:41] <h3sp4wn> holcomb: ah yes you do forgot
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[20:30:39] <h3sp4wn> oden: I thought you were a developer for Mandriva dunno where you would find those people
[20:30:56] <swankier> oden?
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[20:32:15] <james1> h3sp4wn: thank you very much i find some wiki like that too , but i mut for next build cause i use 101
[20:32:29] <james1> h3sp4wn: thank you very much
[20:32:33] <oden> i forgot to say please. sorry about that. i'm from sweden and we don't say please often.
[20:33:29] <e^ipi> manners are culturally relative *shrug*
[20:33:59] <e^ipi> oden, what are you trying to do? make a product or something?
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[20:36:28] <hrist> a
[20:36:30] <hrist> sry
[20:37:01] <swankier> rephrasing my question... why do I not have an /etc/iscsi/target_config.xml file, even though I'm running iscsitgtd?
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[20:44:44] <oden> sorry guys. i just thought someone were interested about productization, and stuff.
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[20:46:35] <screambot> some help pls. trying to install opensolaris from the live cd, but can't even get it to boot properly. i need to know the command to add to the boot options in order to force the use of vesa drivers. in linux its "linux xdriver-vesa", but no idea under opensolaris....
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[20:49:19] <screambot> anyone????
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[20:50:16] <swankier> alright... to answer my own question... iscsitgtd no longer uses /etc/iscsi/*.xml config files.  It is instead configured through SMF (although the man pages have not been updated to reflect this.)
[20:50:41] <swankier> looking at svccfg -s iscsitgt listprop, though, I do not find the ability to change the listening address.
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[20:53:40] <swankier> so, how do I change the binding address/port with smf/svccfg?
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[20:53:51] <screambot> Okona, so no-one knows how to force vesa drivers when booting a live cd then?
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[20:55:06] <codestr0m> there's a blog entry.. (rather long) about a lot of the things that IPS is trying to solve.. anyone know which link/entry I'm referring to?
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[20:58:07] <screambot> Okona, great community spirit you guys got here; 283 logged in including 11 ops, and notone person even acknowledges my question.... :|
[20:58:13] <TopBummyu88> hoe Does one fix http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1248118
[20:58:51] <hrist> screambot: 283 logged in, so what? noone knows how many of them are active or idle right now...
[20:58:59] <Gman> screambot: did you google the answer? :)
[20:59:03] <screambot> yes
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[20:59:43] <Gman> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/x86/#6696145
[21:00:24] <TopBummyu88> screambot: Please be respectful  and remeber that you can alwways turn to google and other internet resources such as unix.com  and  the open solaris community forums.
[21:00:29] <screambot> hrist, no need to get spitty. Gman ---- Thx
[21:00:40] <screambot> exit
[21:00:43] <Gman> bye
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[21:01:14] * Gman wasn't the least bit spitty - only noticed the question about 10 seconds ago
[21:01:22] <Gman> took precisely 1 google search to find it
[21:02:10] <TopBummyu88> Gman: Some times irt takes a harsh warning to set  a newbi straight
[21:02:31] <Gman> yeah, i guess
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[21:02:57] <hrist> Gman: he was talking to me
[21:03:09] <TopBummyu88> hoe Does one fix http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1248118?
[21:03:11] <Gman> hrist: ahh
[21:03:18] <Gman> i assumed it was a typo for 'christ'
[21:03:18] <Gman> :)
[21:03:23] <Gman> funny
[21:03:26] <hrist> the THX was addressed to you ;)
[21:03:35] <Gman> hrist: ooops! :)
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[21:07:16] <swankier> hrm... I've found how to change the port that iscsitgt listens on with: svccfg -s iscsitgt setprop iscsitgt/iscsi-port = integer: 4444
[21:07:29] <swankier> what would be the correct property name to change the interface/address?
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[21:09:09] <TopBummyu88> Hpw Does one fix http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1248118?
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[21:11:16] <holcomb> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libiscsitgt/common/iscsitgt_impl.h#108
[21:11:19] <holcomb> ?
[21:11:28] <holcomb> i think it's ip-addres
[21:11:29] <holcomb> s
[21:12:18] <swankier> holcomb: awesome!!!
[21:12:31] <swankier> but... should it be a host, astring, or other type?
[21:12:44] <holcomb> haha no idea
[21:13:03] <holcomb> probably astring
[21:13:35] <holcomb> what was the port?
[21:13:44] <hrist> integer:
[21:13:44] <holcomb> i mean, what type
[21:13:47] <holcomb> oh.
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[21:14:07] <swankier> svccfg -s iscsitgt setprop iscsitgt/iscsi-ip-address = host: 10.1.1.45
[21:14:10] <swankier> that is not working
[21:14:20] <swankier> if I do a netstat, it still shows as listening on *
[21:14:26] <swankier> (after restarting, of course)
[21:14:46] <holcomb> try astring
[21:15:02] <swankier> OH
[21:15:08] <swankier> the property was called iscsi-port
[21:15:17] <swankier> but ip-address is not iscsi-ip-address
[21:15:18] <swankier> :)
[21:15:22] <swankier> hmm...
[21:15:48] <swankier> no love -> svccfg -s iscsitgt setprop iscsitgt/ip-address = host: 10.1.1.45
[21:16:36] <swankier> no love -> svccfg -s iscsitgt setprop iscsitgt/ip-address = astring: \"10.1.1.45\"
[21:16:56] <holcomb> bummer
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[21:19:21] <swankier> how would I figure that out?
[21:19:30] <swankier> (other than a man page ;))
[21:19:34] <holcomb> read the code
[21:19:45] <swankier> erm..
[21:19:47] <swankier> where?
[21:19:59] <holcomb> src.opensolaris.org
[21:20:15] <holcomb> i did a search for the property you mentioned, then looked for something similar in the same file that referenced an ip
[21:20:24] <swankier> I guess what I'm getting at is...
[21:20:27] <swankier> I don't know how to.
[21:20:30] <swankier> that's a lot of code.
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[21:22:50] <holcomb> it may not be possible...
[21:22:55] <holcomb> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/iscsi/iscsitgtd/main.c#192
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[21:23:51] <e^ipi> i hate that my muscle memory for keyboard shortcuts isn't consistent
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[21:24:31] <e^ipi> i'm also way too lazy to set them all up to be = to the mac shortcuts
[21:25:56] <swankier> holcomb: are you familiar with iscsi then?  am I supposed to use firewalling or tpgt to do this?
[21:26:03] <swankier> seems silly to me...
[21:26:20] <holcomb> yeah sounds like a good rfe candidate
[21:26:29] <holcomb> and no, i'm not very familiar with it
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[21:26:59] <swankier> rfe?
[21:27:01] <james1> i did a full instalation but my apache serever can't run php age
[21:27:04] <james1> page*
[21:27:05] <holcomb> request for enhancement
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[21:27:11] <james1> must i install it ?
[21:27:18] <swankier> now here's a silly question, where do I do that?
[21:27:19] <swankier> :P
[21:27:25] <holcomb> bugs.opensolaris.org
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[21:31:17] <victori_> serious issues with snv_100  it kernel panics with no dump
[21:31:18] <victori_> ugh
[21:31:36] <swankier> victori_: I had a similar problem with snv_99...
[21:31:41] <swankier> turned out that it wasn't crashing...
[21:31:46] <victori_> what was it?
[21:31:51] <swankier> just that the network card was balking
[21:32:00] <swankier> I had to roll back the network driver to an earlier release
[21:32:08] <victori_> I updated from snv_98 to 100 due to e1000 network card issues
[21:32:16] <swankier> haha
[21:32:19] <swankier> e1000...
[21:32:21] <swankier> same card.
[21:32:22] <victori_> snv_98 kernel paniced due to e1000
[21:32:32] <swankier> try running the snv_91 driver.
[21:32:38] <swankier> that's what fixed my boxes in production.
[21:32:41] <victori_> do you have a copy?
[21:32:45] <swankier> of the iso?
[21:32:48] <swankier> sorry
[21:32:50] <victori_> the driver
[21:32:55] <victori_> can you tar it up and send it over?
[21:32:57] <swankier> I just pulled it form the iso
[21:33:02] <swankier> from
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[21:33:21] <swankier> three files in /kernel/drivers
[21:33:24] <victori_> swankier: can you please tar it up though? i am in shit creek here
[21:33:25] <swankier> or some such
[21:33:36] <swankier> not easily, sorry
[21:33:52] <swankier> I would usually get about an hour between it crashing
[21:33:56] <swankier> then it would dump for 15 minutes
[21:34:00] <victori_> where can I get the snv_91 iso?
[21:34:13] <victori_> swankier: wait so snv_91 isn't stable as well?
[21:34:19] <victori_> the drivers from it
[21:34:26] <swankier> the e1000 driver worked.
[21:34:34] <swankier> and my boxes (x4500) stopped pumking.
[21:34:36] <swankier> punking.
[21:35:10] <swankier> I'm running snv_99 with snv_91 e1000 drivers in production
[21:35:28] <victori_> and it isn't kernel panicing?
[21:36:09] <victori_> swankier: so why can't you log in to production and tarup the snv_91 drivers for me? please.
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[21:38:27] <victori_> I guess ill go grab the drivers from snv_98
[21:38:30] <victori_> or 86
[21:38:33] <victori_> err 86
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[21:41:18] <swankier> victori_: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/servlet/JiveServlet/download/39-73163-282965-8002/e1000g0_drivers.tar.gz
[21:41:21] <swankier> found the link for you.
[21:41:25] <victori_> swankier: thank you
[21:41:34] <swankier> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/click.jspa?searchID=1404707&messageID=282702
[21:41:37] <swankier> was the thread
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[21:44:55] <mikeconcepts> I have an 8600GTS with HDMI, is there a way to get audio over HDMI when connected to a Sony HDTV?
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[21:49:44] <james1> mys solaris work by Miracl i think
[21:50:51] <james1> i type svcadm enable mysql and page php word good but i add index.php too in apache conf
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[21:52:55] <james1> work very good*
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[21:58:57] <CIA-59> Baban Kenkre <Baban.Kenkre at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2008/441 Active Directory name service module (nss_ad), 6722476 name service switch module for AD (nss_ad) needed
[21:59:06] <holcomb> ooh neat
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[22:06:02] <jbk> actually in it's current form, it's pretty useless
[22:06:15] <jbk> (if you're referring to the AD putback)
[22:07:13] <_mary_kate_> why?
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[22:07:22] <jbk> well
[22:07:29] <jbk> you can't use it to authenticate or anything
[22:07:36] <jbk> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2008/441/mail
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[22:07:39] <jbk> read the description
[22:07:48] <jbk> i can see it as a basic building block
[22:07:58] <jbk> but by itself, it's pretty worthless
[22:08:27] <jbk> i mean if you're going to hook a box up to AD, one of the key things I would expect is to be able to authenticate to the system using your AD credentials
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[22:11:43] <e^ipi> well, that was certainly too much espresso
[22:11:49] <e^ipi> i'm gonna go for a run
[22:12:07] <james1> i want add keyboard layout
[22:12:13] <james1> i didn't find it in gnome
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[22:33:24] <h3sp4wn> jbk: At least against win2k3 R2 it can be pretty well integrated
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[22:41:58] <mikeconcepts> I have an 8600GTS with HDMI, is there a way to get audio over HDMI when connected to a Sony HDTV?
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[22:44:36] <james1> h3sp4wn: i didn't find kayboard layout in gnome
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[22:48:10] <Asako> http://pastebin.ca/1248190 what would cause this?
[22:48:17] <Asako> I'm trying to install sun cluster
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[22:52:53] <CosmicDJ> Asako: 2008.05?
[22:53:53] <dep> Try using screen #0
[22:54:24] <dep> Java has a bug where it doesn't work on screens >0.  Don't know if it's been fixed yet.
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[23:01:05] <dep> Asako: the bug is 6604044, though I think (not sure) it has been fixed in the latest bits (the bugs.opensolaris.org snapshot of the bug's information appears to be stale)
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[23:03:25] <dep> (where "stale" = "changes made to the bug over a year ago still aren't reflected" :/ )
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[23:04:26] <_mary_kate_> according to sunsolve, it was fixed in b28
[23:04:30] <_mary_kate_> but it doesn't say b28 of what :)
[23:04:39] <Asako> CosmicDJ, solaris 10
[23:04:52] <Asako> with a 2008.11 desktop
[23:05:26] <Asako> declare -x DISPLAY="localhost:10.1"
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[23:18:07] <james1> oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp) it's not problem  ?? cause i hear the sound
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[23:20:42] <victori_> anyone run opensolaris on xen? dom0?
[23:21:14] <victori_> and a hypothetical question, will  domU operating systems go down with dom0 if dom0 crashes?
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[23:27:39] <h3sp4wn> My dom0 is SXCE - don't know of anyone using Indiana with xen
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[23:30:45] <h3sp4wn> victori_: The kernel and hypervisor work pretty well - virsh seems to have issues of one sort or another alot - Intel chips were broken totally at least in b99 and b100 not sure about b101
[23:31:22] <victori_> h3sp4wn: ya b100 was a disaster here
[23:31:39] <victori_> and 98 isn't cutting it, kernel panics due to e1000g driver
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[23:34:14] <victori_> h3sp4wn: will domU OSes go down with dom0 ? if dom0 crashes
[23:36:03] <h3sp4wn> victori_: No idea I have only had it crash once
[23:36:18] <Asako> dang sun cluster is confusing
[23:36:32] <h3sp4wn> and that was because of the nvidia sata driver in b99 and so early that no domU's were even running properly
[23:38:21] <victori_> h3sp4wn: to get a current opensolaris/SXCE install on dom0 you just boot using the xen kernel?
[23:39:17] <h3sp4wn> victori_: I have been just liveupgrading from b88 or so
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[23:39:41] <james1> h3sp4wn: do you use keyboard layout ?
[23:40:29] <h3sp4wn> dunno what that is if its that thing on the taskbar that is there by default its the first thing I disable
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[23:41:40] <h3sp4wn> Other than that I just use the layout I selected at install time
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[23:43:25] <james1> h3sp4wn: or chosisn kayboard languages
[23:43:53] <james1> h3sp4wn: i have ir befor in opensolaris but here no
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[23:44:20] <h3sp4wn> No idea
[23:45:05] <james1> h3sp4wn: ok sorry , cause i neead to write somework by Arabic
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[23:45:32] <h3sp4wn> james1: There is something on the taskbar by default for that
[23:45:34] <e^ipi> i thought there was an arabic layout
[23:45:53] <james1> h3sp4wn: no i don't have it
[23:46:03] <swankier> what is the correct category to file a bug against iscsi in bugs.opensolaris.org?
[23:46:05] <h3sp4wn> (presuming arabic is supported)
[23:46:36] <swankier> specifically against iscsitgtd
[23:46:41] <james1> e^ipi: yes there's but i don't have kaybard layout plugin
[23:47:23] <james1> keybord *
[23:47:47] <swankier> would it be storage_target:iscsi?
[23:48:44] <e^ipi> swankier, yeah, probably
[23:48:48] <e^ipi> if not it'll get reassigned
[23:49:59] <h3sp4wn> james1: Input Mathod is what you need afaik
[23:50:37] <h3sp4wn> preferences->input method or whatever it is in indiana
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[23:53:40] <e^ipi> control-space
[23:53:43] <e^ipi> ?
[23:53:47] <e^ipi> *shrug*
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[23:54:49] <james1> h3sp4wn: i did
[23:54:58] <Asako> ok, I can't get my cluster to install
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[23:55:54] <e^ipi> speaking of clusters, anyone have any familiarity with grid engine?
[23:56:06] <Asako> clnode:  (C152734) This node is not in cluster mode.
[23:56:16] <Asako> and it's asking for a /globaldevices file system, which I don't have
[23:56:47] <james1> h3sp4wn: thank you but i din't have any layout

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