November 6, 2008 
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November 6, 2008 [00:00:01] <jbk> that wasn't the point -- just that since sun has made such liberal use of them in the past (and thus had to deal with INS) they should already be experienced with dealing with them if they're wanting you to move [00:00:18] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [00:00:29] *** perlmongo has quit IRC [00:01:03] <jbk> err dealing with INS [00:01:07] <jbk> even if not for h1bs [00:01:13] <jbk> but anyway.. it's time for me to go home... [00:02:33] *** stevel_ has joined #opensolaris [00:03:04] *** kito has joined #opensolaris [00:04:45] <dep> stevel_! You remind me I need to try songbird on 101. [00:04:45] <TopBunny98> Th six moonth release schedule seems to have made Is there an extension that would allow me to save and open msoffice 2007 documents [00:04:58] <th> "the" [00:05:39] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris [00:05:50] <e^ipi> TopBunny98, openoffice is in the repo... 6 month release means that they press a new CD every 6 months, you can update it whenever you want though [00:06:31] <stevel_> dep: alfred is spinning a new build of our 1.0 release candidate soon [00:06:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel_ [00:06:49] *** stevel has quit IRC [00:06:54] *** stevel_ is now known as stevel [00:07:06] <stevel> muahhaha. eat it ghost of stevel [00:07:32] <dep> Cool. Haven't tried it yet, but I'm eager to use something other than rhythmbox. [00:07:51] <TopBunny98> ias there a port of songbird for opensolaris in the repositories? [00:07:59] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris [00:08:00] <e^ipi> xmms was the greatest media player ever created [00:08:06] <stevel> TopBunny98: yup, you can 'pkg install SUNWsongbird' [00:08:12] <comay> stevel, should we fix that songbird issue that tim c emailed you about? [00:08:20] <TopBunny98> thanks stevel [00:08:20] <dep> (To the extent that rather than use rhythymbox I've been using my iPod that I haven't updated since 2005) [00:08:29] <comay> sounds like we could fix it by adding the symlink alfred identified [00:09:06] <stevel> comay: yeah - would be good... since otherwise Songbird is effectively without any certificate authorities, which means no https love [00:10:01] *** mathie has quit IRC [00:10:08] <TopBunny98> Too bad there is no iphone support [00:10:42] <e^ipi> does anything other than windows or mac support iphone? [00:11:05] <stevel> e^ipi: libgpod got some recent hackery working [00:11:14] <e^ipi> huh, nifty [00:11:37] <TopBunny98> I wish songbird did because then i could sell my MACBOOK AND GET A DESKTOP REPLACEMENT. [00:11:53] <e^ipi> i thought it tried to present itself as something other than the same mass-storage device every other mp3 player in the world does [00:11:59] <e^ipi> TopBunny98, someone's a little angry... [00:12:16] <e^ipi> heh, a couple kids at school have "desktop replacements" , they're massive beasts [00:12:24] * e^ipi wants a eeepc [00:12:42] <stevel> e^ipi: sadly, less and less players are presenting themselves are mass-storage devices [00:12:55] <trygvis> how well does solaris work on the eee boxes? [00:13:04] <stevel> windows-side they're moving to MTP (though most MTP devices still support a way to flip to MSC/UMS via firmware) [00:13:09] <e^ipi> trygvis, timf's eee runs solaris [00:13:10] <stevel> trygvis: see timsf's blog :) [00:13:47] <trygvis> :) [00:14:42] <dep> Are there technological limitations to MTP other than the need to implement support for a new protocol? [00:15:37] <h3sp4wn> My iriver can have either usb mass storage or MTP but even as usb it doesn't work with Solaris [00:15:51] <TopBunny98> How does one get the gstreamer [00:16:01] <h3sp4wn> (Does every other OS) - My mobile just works though as usb mass storage [00:16:19] <stevel> dep: not terribly; there is libmtp for mac/linux support (i think it compiles on solaris, though haven't tried) [00:16:33] <stevel> dep: i assume it doesn't handle the DRM transfer though [00:16:36] * dep curses the dead power supply on the machine holding his music supply [00:17:04] <h3sp4wn> dep: There is an older version of libmtp in SFE (But its not new enough to work with the MTP support in banshee) [00:17:24] <h3sp4wn> s/banshee/exaile [00:17:49] <dep> that's kinda what I figured. Assuming there's no DRM in place, I gather the big issue is wrangling the different ways people have created to access MTP devices (and the plethora of versions thereof) [00:17:50] *** capaz has quit IRC [00:18:22] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris [00:18:28] <_Auralis> ugh, songbird [00:18:31] <h3sp4wn> dep: I think its a proper standard [00:18:40] <h3sp4wn> (Well a Microsoft Standard) [00:19:03] <stevel> h3sp4wn: which they subsequently broke with MTP-Z :-P which isn't interoperable with MTP [00:19:15] <stevel> bad enough when they break real standards... now they break their own "standards" [00:19:16] <dep> It might be a standard, but is there a standard API? [00:19:33] <stevel> dep: there is an MTP API via the WMSDK (Windows Media SDK) [00:20:04] <h3sp4wn> I thought it was a condition for that Plays for Sure thing [00:20:48] <TopBunny98> I can't get my mp3s palying in songbird [00:20:56] *** Gekz has quit IRC [00:21:06] <stevel> TopBunny98: do you have the Fluendo MP3 codec installed? [00:21:15] <TopBunny98> Yes i do [00:21:28] <stevel> hrm - what happens when try to play? [00:21:43] <stevel> h3sp4wn: yeah it is [00:21:58] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [00:22:42] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris [00:22:57] <TopBunny98> stevel: They I don't get any sound, whoever i was stream from my favorite saettle area radion station last night just fine in firefox [00:23:47] <stevel> TopBunny98: does the faceplate area indicate that it's actually playing? [00:24:10] <TopBunny98> Nkipe [00:24:31] <stevel> TopBunny98: open up your error console and see if there are any errors? [00:25:38] <h3sp4wn> TopBunny98: gst-inspect| grep mp3 [00:29:25] <TopBunny98> h3sp4wn: bash-3.2$ gst-inspect| grep mp3 [00:29:25] <TopBunny98> typefindfunctions: audio/mpeg: mpga, mp1, mp2, mp3 [00:29:25] <TopBunny98> typefindfunctions: application/x-id3v1: tta, flac, ogg, mpga, mp1, mp2, mp3 [00:29:25] <TopBunny98> typefindfunctions: application/x-id3v2: tta, flac, ogg, mpga, mp1, mp2, mp3 [00:29:34] *** netj has joined #opensolaris [00:30:13] <h3sp4wn> TopBunny98: Its not installed right then [00:30:23] <h3sp4wn> TopBunny98: mad: mad: mad mp3 decoder(that is what I get as the first line) [00:30:36] <h3sp4wn> (I think the mad one sounds nicer than the fluendo) [00:30:50] *** Gekz has quit IRC [00:31:27] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [00:31:28] <h3sp4wn> TopBunny98: Is it installed in /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 [00:31:29] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [00:32:04] <h3sp4wn> (If you installed the package from the IPS repo afaik its empty right now) [00:34:43] *** bhall has quit IRC [00:35:20] *** bhall has joined #opensolaris [00:40:08] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [00:41:59] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [00:43:41] *** brianski has quit IRC [00:43:41] *** Gekz_ has joined #OpenSolaris [00:44:38] *** Gekz has quit IRC [00:44:46] *** brianski has joined #opensolaris [00:48:22] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [00:49:05] <bigjohnto> i have a 10.x network and an 11.x network with their appropriate subnet masks... the 10.x network is already setup but when i plumb the 11.x network and reboot the server, on loading I have mounts from the 10.x network that fail because for some reason everything is trying to be routed through the 11.x network.... any ideas why? [00:50:10] <trygvis> uhm, my b94 panics when I'm LU'ing to 101: http://rafb.net/p/8SCbP918.html [00:51:14] <TopBunny98> I downloaded the fluendo mp3codec plugin from the fluendo store page, how do irebuild the gstreamer plugins cache? [00:51:50] <h3sp4wn> TopBunny98: easiest way is just rm -r .gstreamer-0.10 [00:52:08] <h3sp4wn> rm -rf ~/.gstreamer-0.10 [00:52:19] <h3sp4wn> then it gets rebuild when you do gst-inspect [00:55:35] *** silk has joined #opensolaris [00:55:38] *** Gman has quit IRC [00:56:03] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [00:57:02] *** Openfree has quit IRC [00:57:05] *** bigjocker has quit IRC [00:57:13] *** capaz has left #opensolaris [00:58:16] *** niq has quit IRC [00:58:26] <Triskelios> weird, in snv_101 auto snapshots seems to be snapshotting my whole pool regardless of the configuration now [00:59:00] <CIA-60> Vladimir Kotal <Vladimir.Kotal at Sun dot COM>: 6751994 old school types would like to have hg webrev, 6752000 automatic webrev upload [00:59:09] <Triskelios> zfs list -H -t snapshot | wc -l returns 328! [00:59:09] *** echolink1833 has quit IRC [00:59:27] *** FrostCS has joined #opensolaris [00:59:34] <Triskelios> including a bunch of snapshots of swap... grr [01:00:20] <TopBunny98> stevel: I still can't get gstreamer to replay the mp3s [01:01:32] <h3sp4wn> TopBunny98: ldd the .so file you put into /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 [01:01:37] *** kurama_ has quit IRC [01:02:27] *** teo` has quit IRC [01:03:38] <h3sp4wn> (at one point they didn't do the linking properly) [01:04:21] <Triskelios> I think it's still not fixed on the fluendo side, simplest solution is to ln -s /usr/sfw/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 [01:04:25] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [01:04:58] <h3sp4wn> someone told me that was fixed interesting [01:05:25] *** echolink1833 has joined #opensolaris [01:05:26] <h3sp4wn> or you can just build the source with sunstudio (./configure --enable-liboil) http://core.fluendo.com/gstreamer/src/gst-fluendo-mp3/gst-fluendo-mp3-0.10.7.tar.gz [01:05:36] <Triskelios> last I checked was about a month ago, though. [01:06:07] *** Odin- has quit IRC [01:06:34] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [01:06:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [01:07:44] <h3sp4wn> The cleanest way is to get the jds sources for gnome-2-18 change the version number to the newest in the specfile and build (with interactive otherwise it fails) never bothered looking further at it [01:08:07] *** netj has quit IRC [01:09:39] <TopBunny98> Triskelios: even after doing ln -s /usr/sfw/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 [01:09:43] <TopBunny98> no go [01:11:45] *** postwait has quit IRC [01:14:21] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [01:16:44] *** kim0 has quit IRC [01:19:11] *** mega has quit IRC [01:22:31] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [01:23:20] *** Ouroboros has joined #opensolaris [01:26:58] <Ouroboros> is it possible to configure when the dhcp client renews the lease? i am still having this issue where it begins renewing a few hours before expiration and, although the server acknowledges, it somehow thinks that the lease expired anyway [01:28:04] <Ouroboros> (or any other suggestions for a workaround... i suppose i can just force a restart in crontab) [01:28:55] *** storycrafter has quit IRC [01:31:13] *** dosiu has quit IRC [01:31:37] <trygvis> is it possible to use the netinstall ISOs when creating Xen guests? [01:31:53] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [01:33:16] *** rno has quit IRC [01:37:55] *** abisen has quit IRC [01:39:10] *** plavcik has quit IRC [01:40:22] *** dosiu has joined #opensolaris [01:48:10] <Ouroboros> btw i am also getting '/sbin/dhcpagent[1399]: [ID 947604 daemon.warning] checkaddr: expected netmask 0.0.0.0 on nge0, have 255.0.0.0', which causes dhcpagent to release control of the interface... i am assuming it is assigning 0.0.0.0 because it thinks that it was unable to renew the IP [01:48:11] *** Gekz_ has quit IRC [01:49:49] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [01:51:02] *** bubbva has quit IRC [01:52:09] *** yippi has quit IRC [01:54:43] *** stukreit has quit IRC [01:59:44] *** e1kg has quit IRC [02:00:05] *** nrubsig has quit IRC [02:00:22] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [02:00:22] *** Gman has quit IRC [02:01:51] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [02:02:15] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [02:02:30] <lloy0076> *sigh* [02:02:44] <bda> Ennui? [02:02:50] <lloy0076> Why is Gnome such a PITA. [02:03:12] *** Odin- has quit IRC [02:03:18] <h3sp4wn> lloy0076: Designed that way - the SXCE changes make it more tolerable [02:03:40] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris [02:04:43] <lloy0076> Ok, I just upgraded from REAL Solaris (tm) 10 to SXCE 101. [02:04:53] <lloy0076> However, for some unknown reason, gnome-panel refuses to start. [02:05:06] <lloy0076> ...is possibly what's getting it but I'm not sure. [02:06:25] <h3sp4wn> lloy0076: Did you do it from inside gnome ?# [02:07:04] <lloy0076> Sorry, I'm stuck in twm atm and it takes me a while to figure out that twm wants me to put a window somewhere [02:08:01] <lloy0076> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1246388 [02:08:11] <lloy0076> That's what I get when I run a gnome-session manually. [02:08:29] <lloy0076> *something* complains about the power management being misconfigured but I'm not sure what. [02:12:33] *** acctor has quit IRC [02:12:44] *** quenelle1 has joined #opensolaris [02:13:31] <quenelle1> Anyone have any experience getting Xorg/OpenSolaris to work with the i915 intel integrated graphics controller? [02:13:52] <quenelle1> It only dials up to 1024x768 and no more. [02:14:12] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [02:14:44] <quenelle1> Please don't tell me I have to look up my LCD's vertical and horizontal refresh rates in order to create my Xorg.conf file. What is it, 1988? [02:15:38] *** Aria has quit IRC [02:15:58] <e^ipi> are you writing this stuff from scratch or something? [02:16:06] <e^ipi> xorg -configure [02:16:13] <e^ipi> just use the defaults [02:16:24] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [02:16:25] <e^ipi> modify as necc. [02:16:39] <quenelle1> I'm totally using the defaults, (no conf file, just using the Xorg builtin defaults) [02:16:55] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [02:17:10] <quenelle1> I tried mucking with my BIOS settings to use the maximum DMVT memory for the motherboard graphics controller. [02:17:15] <quenelle1> But it didn't help. [02:17:46] <quenelle1> I know I got t least 1280x1024 under Linux with the same hardware. but I'd like to get 1600x1200. [02:18:47] <dep> My intel-based laptop has, in the past, been confused about which output is the most interesting. [02:19:20] <dep> Though usually the effect is that I'll have a full sized screen with the gnome windowdressing painted as if it were 1024x768 [02:20:03] <dep> I currently have a workaround in place that runs 'xrandr --output TV --off' on login. [02:20:23] *** jay-away has quit IRC [02:21:17] <dep> That explicitly tells the xserver to ignore the TV output, which in my case was the one causing the confusion. [02:21:35] <quenelle1> Well, I'm glad you got it working. :-) [02:21:57] <dep> Have you tried xrandr? [02:22:22] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [02:22:32] <quenelle1> What does xrandr do? [02:23:05] <quenelle1> ah ha [02:23:07] <quenelle1> reading man page now [02:23:41] *** johannes has quit IRC [02:23:45] *** johannes has joined #opensolaris [02:24:12] *** martin[ug] has joined #opensolaris [02:24:35] *** rab has quit IRC [02:24:53] <quenelle1> xrandr says my max is 1024x1024 [02:25:35] <dep> Bummer. [02:26:04] <quenelle1> I wonder how it gets that weird number. I suspect it's getting weirded out becaues the graphics card has a dynamic amount of memory [02:28:34] *** stevel has quit IRC [02:28:37] <e^ipi> no it doesn't [02:28:41] <e^ipi> it's set in the BIOS [02:28:48] <LuckyLuke> quenelle1: I could be wrong, but xrandr uses (when available) hardware acceleration, so 1k x 1k could be you maximum texture size [02:29:12] <quenelle1> ah ha -- ok that sounds possible [02:29:32] *** Ouroboro has joined #opensolaris [02:30:30] *** quenelle1 has left #opensolaris [02:30:36] *** yarihm has quit IRC [02:35:43] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris [02:36:12] *** martin[u1] has quit IRC [02:36:39] *** stux is now known as stux|away [02:36:48] *** echolink1833 has quit IRC [02:38:39] *** Ouroboros has quit IRC [02:39:41] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [02:41:13] *** quenelle has joined #opensolaris [02:41:42] *** Gekz has quit IRC [02:41:55] *** quenelle has left #opensolaris [02:45:49] *** quenelle has joined #opensolaris [02:46:25] <quenelle> how do I run xrandr after logging in over telnet? I'm having trouble getting authorized to contact the X server [02:47:15] *** chuck- has quit IRC [02:51:09] *** plavcik has joined #opensolaris [02:51:42] *** Trisk[laptop] has joined #opensolaris [02:51:58] *** morteng has joined #opensolaris [02:52:48] <plavcik> hi, I installed sol-nv-b98-x86 over serial console, I need to disable Desktop Login, because after Starting Desktop Login, Suspending Desktop Login, the machine is dead [02:52:59] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [02:53:28] <LuckyLuke> plavcik: svcadm disable cde-login [02:53:45] <plavcik> thx [02:55:38] *** pumpkin_ has joined #opensolaris [02:58:34] <plavcik> I disabled cde-login, but the machine is not responding anyway 3 min after boot, can I somehow trace, what's wrong? [02:59:19] *** microchip_ has quit IRC [03:01:22] *** pumpkin_ has left #opensolaris [03:01:25] *** pumpkin_ has joined #opensolaris [03:02:07] *** storycrafter has joined #opensolaris [03:04:04] <morteng> which printer is the recommended on sun hardware (ultra 40 USB 2.0 Firewire) and opensolaris ? [03:04:44] <jamesd> anything cups compatible should do fine in solaris 10+ [03:05:14] <jamesd> or postscript compatible [03:05:58] <e^ipi> those are expensive though [03:07:05] <jamesd> i haven't configured my hp 3600n with solaris yet, but it works perfectly with linux/cups and windows, i got it for $210.. not bad for full color laser with a network connection [03:07:06] <jbk> well i got a $100 samsung laser printer that works fine [03:07:17] <jbk> plug it in, found it, and works no problem [03:07:28] <e^ipi> i have a $100 brother laser that works okay [03:08:01] <e^ipi> i had an old konica that i needed to compile a driver for though [03:08:46] <morteng> should I connect with LAN USB or Firewire ? [03:09:31] <jamesd> firewire is usually limited to storage devices and video cameras unless i'm missing something [03:09:32] <morteng> $100 brother laser as LAN or USB please? [03:10:02] <jbk> usb worked with me [03:10:06] <e^ipi> do they make network aware printers for that cheap? [03:10:19] <e^ipi> ones that don't use microsoft's brain-dead protocol [03:10:31] <morteng> I have seen a 100 $ brither with LAN will that work? I have also seen 50 $ usb printers, which only has mac and windows drivers. [03:10:35] <jbk> well there's a $300 samsung scanner + laser printer that i think has wireless [03:10:44] <e^ipi> huh [03:10:56] <e^ipi> mine's usb only *shrug* [03:14:12] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [03:17:50] <morteng> will this printer do http://www.amazon.com/Brother-HL-2070N-Network-Monochrome-Printer/dp/B0007KNZ8M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=office-products&qid=1225937832&sr=1-2 [03:18:46] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [03:19:49] <jbk> pcl6, so probably should work fine [03:20:56] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [03:21:04] *** pumpkin_ is now known as pumpkin [03:22:08] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [03:22:12] *** nsec01 has joined #opensolaris [03:22:23] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [03:23:19] <spiff> so, what do I do if I have a a lot of sparse ipkg branded zones? [03:23:32] <morteng> This is another candidate which supports PCL also should work and I can connect to router and solaris can print with cups ? http://www.amazon.com/Lexmark-E120N-Monochrome-Laser-Printer/dp/B000E7JVUO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=office-products&qid=1225937832&sr=1-4 [03:23:37] *** quenelle has left #opensolaris [03:25:19] *** Ouroboro has quit IRC [03:26:02] <nsec01> anyone install much from flar's using custom jumpstart - got a wierd error [03:26:25] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [03:27:30] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [03:30:43] *** swa_mobil has quit IRC [03:32:45] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [03:35:39] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC [03:36:42] *** zegenvs has quit IRC [03:42:25] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [03:43:48] *** Gekz_ has joined #OpenSolaris [03:45:44] *** Gekz has quit IRC [03:49:00] *** Gekz_ has quit IRC [03:51:14] *** Ouroboros has joined #opensolaris [03:51:31] *** Ouroboros has quit IRC [03:52:30] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [03:52:47] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [03:57:23] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC [04:00:13] *** Gekz_ has joined #OpenSolaris [04:01:01] *** Gekz has quit IRC [04:02:26] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [04:04:42] *** otep has quit IRC [04:07:23] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [04:09:07] *** skeeziks_ is now known as skeeziks [04:11:23] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC [04:11:39] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris [04:12:48] *** otep has joined #opensolaris [04:12:48] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [04:15:16] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [04:15:57] *** Gekz_ has quit IRC [04:16:38] *** freetown has joined #opensolaris [04:17:00] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [04:17:15] <freetown> IPS getting/got network mirror support? [04:20:48] *** glguy has left #opensolaris [04:22:29] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [04:26:35] *** photon_chac has joined #opensolaris [04:26:38] *** storycrafter1 has joined #opensolaris [04:27:54] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [04:28:57] *** luc^ has quit IRC [04:30:06] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris [04:32:14] *** tdeath has left #Opensolaris [04:32:51] *** nsec01 has left #opensolaris [04:35:45] *** swa_work has left #opensolaris [04:35:54] *** myosound has quit IRC [04:36:13] *** TopBunny88 has joined #opensolaris [04:42:31] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [04:44:51] *** storycrafter has quit IRC [04:45:23] *** tCzern has joined #opensolaris [04:45:52] <tCzern> does Opensolaris come with a RT Kernel or Low Latency Kernel? [04:46:09] <_mary_kate_> it has an RT scheduler class... you don't need a separate kernel [04:46:25] <tCzern> ok, by default? [04:46:30] <_mary_kate_> by default what? [04:46:39] <tCzern> RT ? [04:46:47] <_mary_kate_> is RT the default scheduler? no [04:46:59] <_mary_kate_> (unless you made it so, but usually you wouldn't do that.. just start processes in the RT class) [04:47:27] <tCzern> ok, let's say I have an Audio app. [04:47:40] <tCzern> How would I start this in RT class? [04:47:54] <tCzern> I am a little experienced with Linux [04:48:07] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [04:48:15] <tCzern> there you need to install the RT Kernel afaik [04:49:02] *** TopBunny98 has quit IRC [04:50:23] <_mary_kate_> see priocntl(1) [04:50:56] *** T_B_ has joined #opensolaris [04:51:06] <lkthomas> ok, I need coffee damn [04:51:15] <tCzern> I don't have it installed yet. I was playing with the live cd so far [04:51:30] <e^ipi> tCzern: so google it. [04:51:35] <lkthomas> pkg-get -i coffee [04:51:45] <e^ipi> the man pages are online, in the same place as the stuff in /topic [04:51:49] <tCzern> hey e^ipi [04:52:01] <lkthomas> e^ipi, dude, I am running solaris 10 U6 instead of opensolaris [04:52:09] <lkthomas> kind of scary to use opensolaris in production env [04:52:14] *** pumpkin is now known as e^2ipi [04:52:17] <e^ipi> lkthomas: i don't care, i wasn't addressing you [04:52:23] <lkthomas> I know [04:52:24] *** sah-work has joined #opensolaris [04:52:25] <e^2ipi> e^ipi: quit being so negative [04:52:28] <e^2ipi> sorry, that was really lame [04:52:31] *** e^2ipi is now known as pumpkin [04:52:43] <lkthomas> I was saying that you don't use opensolaris :) [04:52:52] <freetown> lkthomas, i have no problems with opensolaris in a prod env...yet... [04:52:53] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [04:53:04] <lkthomas> I do, kernel panic with unknown reason [04:53:13] <lkthomas> once installed solaris 10, it's fine [04:53:27] <freetown> lkthomas, i saw them...b99 update? [04:53:34] <tCzern> Solaris 10, I got a CD like 2008.5 [04:53:41] <tCzern> what's the difference? [04:53:41] *** T_B has quit IRC [04:53:47] <lkthomas> huh ? b99 ? [04:53:53] <freetown> tCzern, 200805 = Indiana [04:54:04] <lkthomas> I think it is either b97 or b99 [04:54:09] <lkthomas> but I don't want to take risk on this [04:54:10] <e^ipi> tCzern: solaris 10 is the old, stable, commecially supported version [04:54:10] <freetown> lkthomas, did you get your panic after upgrading? [04:54:25] <e^ipi> 2008.05 is a distribution of the new stuff [04:54:31] <freetown> e^ipi, you can buy support for Indy can you now? [04:54:31] <lkthomas> freetown, no, fresh install, then use it as storage server and kernel panic [04:54:42] <freetown> lkthomas, oh. no comment. [04:54:46] <e^ipi> freetown: for whatever it's worth anyways [04:54:48] <tCzern> so, 2008.5 could piss me off, and Solaris 10 is cool to go? [04:54:50] <lkthomas> LOL [04:54:55] <tCzern> brb [04:55:13] <e^ipi> depends how it "pisses you off" [04:55:33] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [04:55:42] <e^ipi> if it pisses you off because you can't pay sun for support, then yes... solaris10 can fix that [04:55:50] <freetown> hehehe. /me ain't happy there ain't no source packages [04:55:59] <e^ipi> source for what [04:56:04] <freetown> nevermind [04:56:19] <freetown> go grab it on ON...heard that many times [04:56:32] *** auuuun has joined #opensolaris [04:56:35] <freetown> it is just different [04:57:51] <e^ipi> different from what? [04:58:05] <e^ipi> every OS builds differently [04:59:22] <freetown> from not having the 'source' package for a piece of software. but i guess it might come...after all, IPS package building at the moment is works-in-progress [04:59:40] <e^ipi> solaris is built out of consolidations [04:59:46] <auuuun> Could someon tell me, opensolaris is same as freebsd or not. [04:59:53] <tCzern> Solaris 10 is free too, but support is pay per call? [04:59:56] <e^ipi> you download the source consolidation [05:00:05] <e^ipi> auuuun: no, it's a different OS [05:00:12] <alanc> auuuun: no, if it was the same as freebsd, it would be called freebsd [05:00:25] <auuuun> thank [05:00:38] <e^ipi> freetown: thing with packages is that you can never really know that everything works together properly... consolidations are superior [05:00:44] <_mary_kate_> tCzern: no, pay per year [05:00:45] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [05:01:35] <tCzern> I found it. I see. So I take Solaris 10 is stable, for dummies like me, and Opensolaris more for developers who want to digg into the source codes. [05:01:41] <freetown> e^ipi, yes but then that is because you don't do 'releases' [05:01:42] <e^ipi> tCzern: no [05:01:50] <e^ipi> freetown: pardon? [05:01:57] <_mary_kate_> tCzern: no, solaris 10 is stable for experienced administrators. new users might find opensolaris / sxce / whatever easier to use [05:02:10] <tCzern> ok [05:02:15] <e^ipi> freetown: the build 101 WOS is a whole bunch of stuff, as a release, that's been tested together [05:02:16] *** kito has quit IRC [05:02:19] <auuuun> Is opensolaris base on unix ? [05:02:26] <e^ipi> auuuun: opensolaris /is/ UNIX [05:02:31] <freetown> e^ipi, are there updates for packages of a particular build? no. you have to upgrade to the next build. [05:02:33] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [05:02:41] <tCzern> I am more advanced then I thought ... [05:02:44] <tCzern> than [05:03:15] <e^ipi> freetown: you don't know the side effects of the update unless you test everything together, which consolidations attempt to do [05:03:15] <auuuun> so I think opensolaris like freebsd , there are UNIX [05:03:30] <freetown> freebsd is UNIX certified? [05:03:32] <freetown> really? [05:03:38] <tCzern> I cannot find any reference about midi support. Could I use a linux driver, too? [05:03:47] <e^ipi> auuuun: it's a sysV unix. freebsd is a BSD unix... they're too different things [05:03:51] <freetown> tCzern, linux driver? nah [05:03:53] <e^ipi> tCzern: no, as solaris is not linux [05:04:18] <e^ipi> thank god... [05:04:19] <_mary_kate_> tCzern: for any kind of advanced audio you probably want OSS (opensound.com). i don't know if it has midi support, though [05:04:27] <tCzern> well, I thought linux is unix too, so the built would be compatible [05:04:36] <e^ipi> no, linux is linux [05:04:37] * freetown rotfl [05:04:57] * freetown puts on asbestos armour [05:04:59] <e^ipi> and unix is a family of OS's [05:05:05] <freetown> shall we get started on GNU? [05:05:26] <e^ipi> no, i'd rather they shutter their doors and just go away [05:06:15] <auuuun> so I can't tall someone that I use linux , if I install my computer with opensolaris. [05:06:18] <tCzern> freetown: one cannot know everything, ok? [05:06:23] <e^ipi> auuuun: correct [05:06:31] <e^ipi> auuuun: because solaris is not linux [05:07:41] <auuuun> wow! [05:07:45] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [05:08:11] <tCzern> e^ipi: Ardour for example, is built for Linux. But it can be installed on Solaris. That's why I am assuming if I have a midi driver for linux I might be able to install it on Solaris too [05:08:39] <e^ipi> it can't be installed on solaris, it can be built on solaris because it's portable [05:08:44] <e^ipi> drivers are almost never portable [05:08:55] <tCzern> ok, built then [05:09:04] <e^ipi> if you build it for linux, and then try to run the binary on solaris, it will fail [05:09:28] <e^ipi> there are API similarities so you can build it across systems [05:09:35] <tCzern> no, I would built it within solaris [05:09:36] <e^ipi> but that's because there are standards. [05:09:42] <auuuun> Can I use opensolaris for everthing for my desktop? [05:09:44] <e^ipi> drivers have no standards between OS's [05:09:49] <e^ipi> auuuun: I do [05:10:01] <tCzern> ok, got that [05:10:04] <auuuun> How can I. [05:10:20] <freetown> tCzern, :-D. You should have been here when all the discussion on GNU stuff was going :-D [05:10:34] <e^ipi> auuuun: download, install, use. [05:10:43] <freetown> auuuun, what is 'everything'? [05:10:47] <tCzern> I am busy enough with learning all the functions of the apps I am using. [05:11:07] <freetown> tCzern, yeah, irc can be a real production killer sometimes [05:11:46] <auuuun> Can I use opensolaris by myself? 'everything' mean windows can do. [05:11:59] <e^ipi> auuuun: everything, but different. [05:12:32] <auuuun> Can I or myfriend move from windows? [05:12:40] <e^ipi> yes [05:12:55] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [05:13:00] <_mary_kate_> if you want to run photoshop or cubase, you should probably stick to windows [05:13:01] <tCzern> e^ipi: you said you don't trust linux [05:13:06] <e^ipi> tCzern: no, i don't [05:13:08] <tCzern> in terms of security? [05:13:28] <e^ipi> security, stability, that things will continue to run on it even though versions go up [05:13:42] <e^ipi> it's a pretty low-quality OS all around [05:13:47] <tCzern> I don't want to loose data [05:14:08] <e^ipi> then avoid linux [05:14:13] <freetown> tCzern, use XFS on Linux. A guarantee that you will lose data :) [05:14:28] <e^ipi> heh [05:14:42] <tCzern> I think I give Solaris a try [05:14:55] <freetown> tCzern, if you don't want to lose data...you want bbu hardware raid for your disks [05:15:05] <tCzern> bbu ? [05:15:15] <freetown> battery backed up cache [05:15:20] <tCzern> aah [05:15:28] *** kito has joined #opensolaris [05:15:29] <_mary_kate_> or zfs [05:15:46] <freetown> does zfs guarantee against power loss? [05:15:54] <tCzern> I was looking at Studio64 [05:16:00] <_mary_kate_> freetown: of course [05:16:14] <freetown> does it turn off write-caches on disks and so on? [05:16:28] <tCzern> it's based on Debian, then I asked a few questions in the IRC Debian, ..., a bunch of freaks in there [05:16:30] <_mary_kate_> no, it turns it _on_, because ZFS knows when it has to flush the cache to preserve data integrity [05:16:36] <freetown> or you mean everything is fsynced? [05:17:24] <Trisk[laptop]> freetown: zfs uses write barriers [05:17:28] *** Trisk[laptop] is now known as Triskelios [05:18:18] <tCzern> could I install this in opensolaris: http://jackaudio.org/download [05:18:36] *** postwait has quit IRC [05:19:09] <auuuun> Why opensolaris is not popular than linux? [05:19:27] <Triskelios> tCzern: yes, SFE has a spec for it [05:19:54] <Triskelios> auuuun: it's a relatively new project and there is still a lot of confusion about solaris [05:20:05] <e^ipi> auuuun: doctrine of "good enough" [05:20:14] <e^ipi> auuuun: same reason why windows has 90% of the market [05:20:17] <freetown> auuuun, OpenSolaris been around for three years and Linux been around for more than a decade? [05:20:36] <e^ipi> freetown: 17 years [05:20:50] <tCzern> Triskelios: so, I guess I install it via make install or so? [05:20:57] <freetown> e^ipi, Windows has 90% of the market due to preinstallation [05:21:03] <tCzern> I hope the commands are not too different from linux [05:21:07] <freetown> on consumer boxes. [05:21:07] <tCzern> or mac [05:21:28] <e^ipi> tCzern: there are some differences... we have man pages [05:21:41] <tCzern> sounds promising [05:21:46] <freetown> tCzern, i survived :P [05:22:24] <auuuun> but someone tell me opensolaris is better than linux. opensolaris 3 years , linux 17 years ,How it is. [05:22:35] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [05:22:41] <tCzern> I played 3 month with Fedora and installed everything manually. Until I found out that there are package manager and even an IRC network [05:22:44] <Triskelios> tCzern: no, pkgbuild generates an installable package [05:22:57] <tCzern> I am not good with reading manuals [05:23:18] <freetown> auuuun, that is correct in certain areas and false in other areas [05:23:34] <alanc> auuuun: OpenSolaris is 3 years old, since that's when the 20-year old Solaris OS was made open source as OpenSolaris [05:23:43] <tCzern> Linux did some random shit on my end, got very frustrated with it [05:23:53] <freetown> auuuun, but in the (near) future...linux is probably going to lose in more areas [05:24:12] <alanc> Linus started writing his own kernel in 1990 because he couldn't afford a Sun computer to run SunOS/Solaris [05:24:43] <freetown> alanc, and now we have Solaris on elcheapo computers thanks to him :P [05:25:26] <e^ipi> s/him/the market/ [05:25:44] <e^ipi> if linux had never existed, freebsd would've taken it's place most likely [05:26:00] <freetown> e^ipi, well...i doubt that hurd would have got anyway as far as Linux so... [05:26:16] <freetown> FreeBSD? nah... [05:26:26] <e^ipi> that computers got cheap enough that commodity junk running redundantly is the reason linux got so popular [05:26:38] <e^ipi> if not linux it would've been one of the other free OS's [05:27:04] <tCzern> So, how could I get a midi interface working with opensolaris? ... googling,. but if you know?! [05:27:04] <e^ipi> commodity junk running redundantly became a viable solution* [05:27:05] <auuuun> I agree with e^ipi. [05:28:01] <freetown> e^ipi, i dunno...freebsd community don't seem up to whatever got 'accomplished' with linux [05:28:16] <e^ipi> how do you figure [05:28:28] <e^ipi> linux sucked up a bunch of developers from the available pool [05:28:30] <tCzern> or let's say, I find hardware, with a unix driver. I can kick that into solaris, right? [05:28:39] <e^ipi> tCzern: if it's got a solaris driver [05:28:58] <kohju> hmm, someone knows the problem of enlarge svc.configd ? mine in zone is SIZE:1318MB/RSS:796MB, now. [05:28:58] <alanc> there is no such thing as a generic "unix" driver - every unix has it's own driver interfaces [05:29:03] <freetown> probably because of the license that freebsd uses...it is more free than the GPL...but then...i think because Linus chose the GPL for Linux...companies got in on it. [05:29:27] <e^ipi> freetown: nonsense, the gpl is likely the reason why more companies haven't gotten in on it [05:29:28] <Triskelios> freetown: the way projects are managed is the largest factor in their relative success [05:29:32] <tCzern> unix should be unix, ... wishful thinking ... [05:30:03] <freetown> Triskelios, so are you saying the freebsd was not managed as well as it could have been? [05:30:14] <freetown> s/the/that/ [05:31:11] <freetown> e^ipi, for driver development certainly [05:31:23] <tCzern> aargh, I have the midi driver already I believe [05:31:32] <tCzern> http://manuals.opensound.com/devlists/Solaris-i386.html [05:31:45] <mlh> I think gpl is a reason for many, because they want the commercial possibilities for themselves only [05:31:48] <tCzern> that's should do the miracle, huh? [05:31:51] <e^ipi> tCzern: "unix" is a 35 year old operating system family that's been implemented and changed around by literally hundreds of different companies that all compete against each other [05:32:06] <mlh> and if they retain total authorship they can dual license [05:32:14] <e^ipi> that they're as similar as they are today is astounding [05:32:57] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [05:33:00] <alanc> there were attempts in the 90's to have everyone agree a common unix driver interface, but they all failed to come up with consensus [05:33:24] <mlh> it wouldn't been too much of a an inhibitor I think [05:33:36] <tCzern> _mary_kate_ was trying to tell me about a command how to change to a RT Kernel mode. Not sure if I understood this right, [05:33:40] <mlh> and too difficult [05:33:43] <freetown> mlh, Linux ain't a total authorship. So...that bucks the commercial possibilities for me only [05:33:49] <mlh> I know [05:33:53] <tCzern> I trigger this by starting an application? [05:34:02] *** kito has quit IRC [05:34:13] <_mary_kate_> tCzern: no, there isn't an "RT kernel" [05:34:16] <Triskelios> tCzern: you can place individual processes in the soft RT class [05:34:23] <_mary_kate_> tCzern: there's an RT scheduling class that you can put specific processes into [05:34:49] <freetown> tCzern, it is like being able to choose the scheduler per process and not per system [05:34:52] <tCzern> oy, feeling like I am coming from a foreign country [05:34:52] <e^ipi> the priocntl man page has examples [05:35:19] <tCzern> ok [05:35:34] <tCzern> I bet this Kernel is anyway better and faster than windows Xp ? [05:35:36] <freetown> tCzern, heh you get that even if you just moved from Fedora to Ubuntu [05:36:06] <tCzern> I moved from Fedora to Suse. [05:36:08] <e^ipi> nah, once you know 2 unix like OS's the rest come like butter [05:36:18] <freetown> tCzern, there is soemthing to compare with a Windows kernel!??! [05:36:33] <tCzern> dunno, tell me [05:36:44] <freetown> e^ipi, he did not start off with unix :P [05:36:47] <h3sp4wn> You can use dispadmin -d to set the default class systemwide (Think it would be stupid to put RT as that class though) [05:37:00] <tCzern> the windows kernel worked good enough for me. Dunno why everyone gets so horny over an RT Kernel [05:37:16] <e^ipi> you're the one asking about it [05:37:33] <e^ipi> and we don't have an RT kernel... we have a kernel, that can do RT [05:37:37] <e^ipi> among other things [05:37:45] <e^ipi> having to recompile to change your scheduling class is retarded [05:37:45] <tCzern> good [05:37:52] <tCzern> naah [05:38:14] <freetown> e^ipi, eh? i thought you can now dynamically change your scheluder in linux? [05:38:35] <h3sp4wn> freetown: Only io scheduler (they won't even allow more than one cpu scheduler) [05:38:53] * freetown hides under rock in shame....mixing that up [05:39:06] <tCzern> is there only one repository site for opensolaris? [05:39:18] <freetown> blastwave is another [05:39:24] <Triskelios> h3sp4wn: to linux's credit, their I/O elevator isn't bad [05:39:25] <tCzern> pkg.opensolaris ? [05:39:51] <freetown> hmm...no dclarke...sorry...don't remember the url right now [05:40:15] <e^ipi> google knows [05:40:16] <tCzern> looking .... [05:41:25] *** jhfisc has quit IRC [05:41:27] <Triskelios> tCzern: there are efforts to set up a /contrib repository on pkg. [05:41:39] <freetown> it's googling, googling :) [05:41:49] <tCzern> would this work:http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/getting/ [05:42:02] <tCzern> they offer the source code too [05:42:06] <e^ipi> try it [05:42:10] <h3sp4wn> With quite alot of work probably its possible [05:42:37] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [05:43:16] *** freetown has quit IRC [05:43:22] <h3sp4wn> (You will need jackd / oss4 and the oss patches for jackd - dunno about midi whether it has internal implimentation or is very alsa dependant) [05:44:09] <tCzern> this will drive me nuts, I know it already [05:44:31] <h3sp4wn> The thing is once its working it will stay so [05:44:45] <tCzern> THAT"S WHAT THOMAS LIKES [05:45:00] <tCzern> which doesn't mean that am conservative, of course [05:45:28] <h3sp4wn> I tried doing audio on Linux with Debian sid and everytime I came to do anything I had to reconfigure the whole thing [05:45:56] <tCzern> that's where I would hit the screen with a brick [05:46:15] <tCzern> I have limited patience, very limited!! [05:46:54] <tCzern> h3sp4wn: so, you are doing audio on solaris now? [05:47:04] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [05:47:16] <h3sp4wn> tCzern: Not really [05:47:56] *** jhfisc has joined #opensolaris [05:50:02] <auuuun> What is default browser on opensolaris? [05:50:08] <e^ipi> firefox [05:50:09] <alanc> firefox [05:50:18] <alanc> on nv_99 and later, firefox 3.0.x [05:50:18] <_mary_kate_> NSCA Mosaic [05:50:28] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: it still works [05:50:32] <_mary_kate_> i know [05:50:33] <Triskelios> WorldWideWeb! [05:50:34] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: i had a copy of it [05:50:35] <auuuun> How about Epiphany? [05:50:39] <_mary_kate_> i have one too [05:50:47] <_mary_kate_> you can download it from that newfangled interwebs [05:50:55] <e^ipi> auuuun: it'll run [05:50:59] <e^ipi> you need to download it though [05:51:01] <alanc> wonder if I still have any copies of IE for Solaris/SPARC laying around... [05:51:20] <alanc> though it was IE 3 or 4, which really sucked [05:51:30] <Triskelios> alanc: I have IE5 installed in QuickTransit! [05:51:39] <spiff> feh, real people use telnet and type their own HTTP requests [05:51:52] <e^ipi> true [05:52:12] <auuuun> Have any problem with flash on opensolaris? [05:52:13] <alanc> spiff: yeah, but parsing all that HTML & CSS in your head gets tiresome [05:52:30] <e^ipi> auuuun: works for me [05:52:42] <spiff> PRIVMSG alanc: yes, it does EOF [05:52:55] <spiff> ^D [05:52:55] <e^ipi> you know, /msg works too [05:52:56] <alanc> flash 10 beta is available from the adobe website [05:52:59] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [05:52:59] <spiff> :P [05:53:22] <h3sp4wn> Does anyone know if the flash 10 beta for solaris can use oss4 output [05:54:49] <Triskelios> h3sp4wn: yes, certainly. it uses the same libflashsupport as flash 9 [05:55:20] <h3sp4wn> Triskelios: I could not find the dlopen for that in the solaris version [05:55:33] <h3sp4wn> of 9 (but I might just be crap at looking) [05:56:19] <Triskelios> h3sp4wn: it's a separate thing you compile. google for libflashsupport-0.0.svn2431 [05:56:44] <h3sp4wn> Triskelios: I ment inside libflashplayer.so [05:56:46] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [05:57:28] *** auuuun has quit IRC [05:58:04] <Triskelios> h3sp4wn: it's there... at least in flash 10 r584 [05:58:09] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [05:59:45] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris [06:02:39] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [06:03:35] <Triskelios> h3sp4wn: you can check pmap or the debug env. variables to make sure libflashsupport works [06:05:43] *** e1kg has quit IRC [06:07:52] <tCzern> what's your favorite windowmanager ? [06:08:19] <h3sp4wn> Triskelios: Thanks I will have a proper look at it later [06:08:33] *** auuuun has joined #opensolaris [06:08:59] <TopBunny88> Red hat is ripping off Sun http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1335327,00.html [06:09:51] <Triskelios> uhh.. probably compiz even though it's not that great as a wm. I hear awesome is appropriately named, though... [06:11:04] <tCzern> I see I can use Fluxbox, or KDE [06:11:04] <h3sp4wn> fluxbox builds just fine [06:12:18] <alanc> TopBunny88: it's okay, Sun uses Red Hat's code/ideas too - it's a small world [06:12:51] <alanc> (I think the virt-manager stuff for Xen originated at Red Hat - I know I work with the Red Hat guys on X stuff a lot) [06:13:01] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [06:13:32] <TopBunny88> I gueass what goes around comes around in open source. [06:15:17] <TopBunny88> Is there a port of flux box for opensolaris? [06:15:49] <e^ipi> it compiles cleanly [06:16:07] <e^ipi> there's also a copy in blastwave repo [06:16:08] <tCzern> I think I'll join you guys, sounds all ok to me and will try, at least. [06:16:40] <Triskelios> and SFEfluxbox [06:17:05] <tCzern> If I install Opensolaris over Windws Xp, would it create a dual boot option? Or should I better used seperate HD ? [06:17:18] *** fr4g has quit IRC [06:18:34] <e^ipi> the installer has the option [06:18:42] <mlh> TopBunny88: what does cobbler have to do with Sun? [06:18:44] <Triskelios> tCzern: you can dual boot, if you have unpartitioned space [06:18:56] <e^ipi> mlh: it's jumpstart, linux style [06:18:58] <Triskelios> mlh: some of the same functionality as jumpstart [06:19:11] <mlh> hint: nah, kickstart is jumpstart, cobbler is a whole lot more [06:19:20] <h3sp4wn> I thought it was more like the ops center [06:19:32] *** auuuun has quit IRC [06:20:25] <TopBunny88> tCzern: You ar probably best off to purchase another hard drivde [06:22:09] <tCzern> I guess so, I have a spare one. [06:22:36] <tCzern> IDE ATA, are there mobile trays which protect the connectors? [06:22:40] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [06:22:57] <tCzern> with SATA it's all open [06:23:32] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [06:23:39] <tCzern> will try tomorrow [06:24:59] <tCzern> Is Free BSD compatible with Solaris? [06:25:05] <e^ipi> in what sense [06:25:17] <tCzern> http://ardour.org/source_downloads [06:25:20] <e^ipi> it's a different OS [06:25:23] <tCzern> there is a note about FreeBSX [06:25:24] <e^ipi> there are differences [06:25:25] <tCzern> BSD [06:25:34] <tCzern> ports collection [06:25:37] <e^ipi> no, you won't find it in ports [06:25:41] <e^ipi> because we don't have ports [06:25:54] <tCzern> ok [06:26:35] <tCzern> kinda tired now, thanks for all your advise!! [06:27:57] <TopBunny88> For some odd reason i can't seem to get my apple mac book to connect to opensolaris? [06:28:42] <e^ipi> that doesn't make sense as a sentence [06:28:59] <TopBunny88> For some odd reason i can't seem to get my apple mac book to connect to opensolaris [06:29:12] <e^ipi> syntactically it is correct, semantically it is meaningless [06:29:21] <e^ipi> writing it twice doesn't make it mean anything [06:29:46] <TopBunny88> Any clues as to how I might get os x and opensolaris to play nice? [06:30:05] <e^ipi> they do play nice [06:30:22] <moazamraja> TopBunny88: huh? that prolly has nothing to do with OS X [06:30:26] <moazamraja> or prolly OpenSlaris [06:30:39] <moazamraja> you probably have a networking problem [06:30:48] <e^ipi> moazamraja: you made sense of that somehow? [06:30:51] *** tCzern has quit IRC [06:30:55] <TopBunny88> hosts file ? [06:30:57] <e^ipi> i'm still not sure what he's connecting to what [06:31:28] *** pumpkin is now known as pumpn [06:32:14] <TopBunny88> I am trying to cnnect my macbook to opensolaris because my opensolaris box has the bigger hard drive and i need to off load som mmusic files from the mac to my opensolaris box [06:32:26] <e^ipi> connect what, and how [06:32:37] <e^ipi> "connect" can mean any number of things [06:32:47] <e^ipi> did you duct tape them together [06:32:47] <Triskelios> so you want to access files over the network [06:33:03] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [06:33:09] <TopBunny88> My mac is connected to my network via wireless and the hp pavillion is connect via cat5 [06:33:17] <Triskelios> you can run an NFS or SMB server on either computer [06:33:17] <moazamraja> TopBunny88: u need to setup the opensolaris machine to export NFS [06:33:28] <TopBunny88> yes network resource sharing. [06:33:32] <e^ipi> fastest way, just scp them across [06:33:48] <e^ipi> only slightly more complicated, go look at the 'zfs' man page [06:33:54] <e^ipi> and pay attention to the 'sharenfs' bit [06:34:09] *** pumpn is now known as pumpkin [06:37:05] *** zegenvs has joined #opensolaris [06:38:17] <TopBunny88> should I statical assign aip addresses to each ,machine? [06:38:28] <e^ipi> if you'd like [06:38:33] *** pumpkin has quit IRC [06:39:51] <TopBunny88> e^ipi: for some reasomn the share manager under system > adminstration Shared ffolders auto quits on exicution [06:40:12] <e^ipi> so don't use that [06:40:18] <e^ipi> read the zfs manual page [06:40:59] <TopBunny88> service manager won't start either how do i fix this? [06:41:33] <e^ipi> stop trying to use GUI tools [06:42:42] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [06:45:35] <morteng> Will this work on open solaris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zyAHOIDFx4 [06:45:43] <e^ipi> youtube? [06:45:44] <e^ipi> yeah [06:46:11] *** davidL has quit IRC [06:48:21] *** davidL has joined #opensolaris [06:49:36] <Triskelios> morteng: any flash thing will [06:49:41] *** nitrile has quit IRC [06:53:04] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [06:59:01] <CIA-60> miao chen - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Miao.Chen at Sun dot COM>: 6754496 [CVE-2008-3831] i915 kernel drm driver uses untrusted offsets [06:59:02] <CIA-60> miao chen - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Miao.Chen at Sun dot COM>: 6738342 Need support for Intel i945GME [07:02:02] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [07:03:29] *** comay has quit IRC [07:03:57] *** edgy has joined #opensolaris [07:04:04] <TopBunny88> I am just going to use samba sense i know it. [07:05:39] <Triskelios> TopBunny88: uh, setting up NFS is way easier [07:06:17] *** linma has quit IRC [07:06:24] <jerrl> how can I mount a windows driver ? Thanks . [07:06:41] <jerrl> how can I mount a windows fs driver ? Thanks . 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[09:11:24] <edgy> any hint please? 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[10:00:32] <coolvibe> quick google search found some usb ethernet drivers here: http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/ [10:00:45] <coolvibe> they are third party though [10:00:51] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [10:01:15] <coolvibe> urf, axf and upf [10:01:42] *** bofur has quit IRC [10:02:24] *** luna_ has joined #opensolaris [10:02:33] *** jerrl_ has joined #opensolaris [10:02:34] *** jerrl has quit IRC [10:02:35] *** jerrl_ is now known as jerrl [10:04:44] *** Dar has quit IRC [10:05:52] *** mikl has quit IRC [10:10:02] *** Gekz_ has quit IRC [10:10:15] <carl-> someone here with any good pointers to ldap and kerberos for solaris 10 .. like good docs and so on [10:10:18] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [10:10:25] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [10:10:35] <carl-> not AD .. that is [10:12:23] <e^ipi> see /topic [10:12:28] <quasi> carl-: I remember seeing a series of howtos on that on bigadmin at one point [10:12:35] <e^ipi> S10SAG is your new bible [10:12:56] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [10:12:57] <mihaic> docs.sun.com contains a guide for Kerberos and LDAP [10:13:17] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [10:16:04] *** luna1 has quit IRC [10:18:33] *** jerrl has quit IRC [10:19:10] *** jerrl_ has joined #opensolaris [10:19:12] *** jerrl_ is now known as jerrl [10:21:40] *** mlh has joined #opensolaris [10:22:12] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [10:28:27] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris [10:29:48] *** photon_chac has quit IRC [10:30:19] *** tijo007 has quit IRC [10:34:34] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [10:35:48] *** badtruffle has joined #opensolaris [10:37:46] *** echolink1833 has quit IRC [10:37:48] <oholiks> a [10:37:50] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [10:37:51] <oholiks> err [10:40:35] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [10:40:52] *** farrokhi has quit IRC [10:41:50] *** osladil has joined #opensolaris [10:41:54] <osladil> gm [10:42:44] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [10:49:10] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris [10:49:53] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris [10:49:58] <_setuid_H> Hi guys [10:50:50] *** LordIllpalazoThe has joined #opensolaris [10:55:13] *** heB_z0rLDree has joined #opensolaris [10:55:22] *** LordIllpalazoThe has quit IRC [10:57:29] *** Veidit has joined #opensolaris [10:57:44] <Veidit> Hello everyone [10:59:07] <CIA-60> Stephen Hanson <Stephen.Hanson at Sun dot COM>: 6767911 zfs scheme needs an fmd_fmri_replaced() interface [11:01:20] *** _setuid_H1 has joined #opensolaris [11:01:20] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC [11:03:08] *** chendy has quit IRC [11:04:55] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris [11:05:33] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [11:08:06] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [11:14:15] *** heB_z0rLDree has quit IRC [11:14:53] *** luna_ has quit IRC [11:15:59] *** _setuid_H1 has quit IRC [11:21:45] <__coredump__> moinsen [11:24:10] *** m0zzzy has left #opensolaris [11:30:42] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [11:35:06] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [11:37:48] *** badtruffle has quit IRC [11:39:52] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [11:41:01] *** plavcik has joined #opensolaris [11:41:13] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [11:41:39] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [11:41:44] *** fluxdude has joined #opensolaris [11:41:46] <plavcik> hi, I just installed SXCE 98 from CDs, can I update it over internet to the latest version? [11:42:05] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [11:42:15] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [11:42:23] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [11:42:56] <JWheeler> sxce isn't updatable over the net, only the opensolaris distro offers that [11:43:30] <plavcik> distro = 2008.05 ? [11:43:39] <JWheeler> yeah [11:44:58] <eirikb> About that, I didn't catch up on the discussion on the date of the next release. What was the conclusion? [11:45:10] <plavcik> is the os200805-1.iso latest? os200805.iso have newest date [11:45:31] <oxygene> eirikb: next release of what - onnv? os2008.11? [11:45:40] <eirikb> oxygene: 2008.11 [11:45:49] <JWheeler> I'm not sure. Soon hopefully. I've been sticking with nevada while they worked on opensolaris. Hopefully 2008.11 will be much better [11:47:20] <plavcik> I see, I have trouble with my installation, after completed boot, I can use machine only for 3 minutes, then is dead, if I'm boot into failsafe, it's live forever, I was thinking about update to latest first [11:47:55] <eirikb> plavcik: You had a look in the logs? [11:48:01] <plavcik> can I track, what is wrong somewhere? syslog is not help in this case [11:48:09] <JWheeler> the latest opensolaris is 2008.05, but you can live upgrade it from there. Personally I'd waiting for the fresh new 2008.11 release, which will be sometime this month [11:48:34] <fluxdude> why should I use opensolaris instead of the regular solaris? just newer stuff? preview of the next gen technology? [11:48:56] <plavcik> eirikb: just tail syslog without luck of something useful [11:50:08] <plavcik> I just burned live cd with Inquisitor to test HW [11:51:53] <Berny> morning folks [11:52:31] <Berny> anyone got any idea if an intel 82567lm gbit nic works with (open)solaris? couldn't find it in the hcl... [11:55:54] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris [11:57:28] *** Plazma has quit IRC [11:57:48] *** Plazma has joined #opensolaris [11:59:04] <CIA-60> Marcel Telka <Marcel.Telka at Sun dot COM>: 6716617 rpc: svc_run may pass a NULL pointer to putnext [12:00:18] <MrData_> Berny: i think i run such a card... [12:00:34] <MrData_> is there a way to make cfgadm show the exact model? [12:00:55] *** ahe has joined #opensolaris [12:01:54] <ahe> clear [12:02:07] <Berny> MrData_, prtconf -v should show the model [12:02:10] <Berny> or scanpci [12:03:01] *** tsoome has quit IRC [12:04:08] *** galen has joined #opensolaris [12:04:33] *** jstephan has joined #opensolaris [12:04:52] *** Plazma has quit IRC [12:05:37] *** Plazma has joined #opensolaris [12:08:35] <galen> i'm about to pop in opensolaris 2008-05, from opensolaris.com. this seems a little out of date... how often do they update it? does it update itself? [12:09:04] <asyd> \_o< [12:09:16] <galen> really, my exclusive interest is ZFS and a semi-nice looking GUI for rare usage.. so where is opensolaris 2008-05 in terms of ZFS versions? [12:09:41] <quasi> galen: that one is from may, hence the -05, next one will be -11 [12:09:45] <timsf> The release cycle is every 6 months, you can update via the inbuilt network-facing upgrade facility [12:10:22] <MrData_> Berny: prtconf does not show the model for the network controller :( where can i find scanpci (on sxce101) [12:10:24] <timsf> I'd be inclined to hang on for 2008.11 myself [12:10:29] <ahe> galen: you can update it manually but you better get a more current development build or wait for the new release this month [12:10:33] <galen> timsf: will it update itself fully via the network? [12:10:56] <galen> what zfs version in 2008 05 versus 2008 11? [12:11:07] <timsf> Yes, though going from 2008.05 to 2008.11 will involve a fair bit of manual hackery [12:11:20] <timsf> Not sure, they're both reasonably recent. [12:11:37] <galen> hmm, ok [12:11:58] <galen> well, i'm going to give it a whack here on my file server [12:12:02] <timsf> just checked - it's zpool version 10 in 2008.05 [12:12:08] <quasi> timsf: isn't there a beta or something of -11? [12:12:18] <timsf> and version 13 in 2008.11 [12:12:18] <ahe> updating over the network is possible but you need to update the package manager first because the one in -05 is buggy [12:12:31] <timsf> so you miss, [12:12:32] <timsf> 11 Improved scrub performance [12:12:32] <timsf> 12 Snapshot properties [12:12:32] <timsf> 13 snapused property [12:12:54] <timsf> There's a 100a iso out there I think already, yes. [12:12:57] <galen> hmm. i don't use snapshots too extensively. [12:13:03] <timsf> WTF?! [12:13:12] * timsf is shocked! [12:13:24] <MrData_> Berny: its a "INTEL Pro1000MT 1GBit" (probably not your model) [12:13:41] <galen> timsf: this server stores very large media files. almost nothing else. [12:13:48] <palowoda> Me too I think autosnapshot has all the bugs fixed for build 101a. [12:13:59] * timsf certainly hopes so [12:14:01] <galen> they're not edited. they're simply uploaded and downloaded. [12:14:12] <fraggeln> I want to be able to shring zfs-pools :D [12:14:16] <timsf> there's a few bugs still floating around - spaces in datasets, for one. [12:14:19] *** chendy has quit IRC [12:14:20] <palowoda> opensolaris is dependent on 101a. [12:14:28] <fraggeln> ehh shrink :) [12:14:49] <timsf> galen: fair enough. [12:15:10] <galen> i have been pondering using snapshots to roll-up system backups, just whole a whole ISO of the system disk, send it to a gzip compressed directory, snapshot it, then overwrite it at my next backup [12:16:32] <Berny> thanks anyway MrData_ [12:17:31] <palowoda> galen: You are planning to use snapshots to backup the boot partions of the system disks too? [12:17:52] <galen> the system backup would be of systems on the network [12:18:10] <palowoda> And that includes? [12:18:48] <palowoda> You said system disks. [12:19:31] *** kohju has quit IRC [12:19:31] <galen> mostly a few systems i use regularly. it's nice to keep bit-perfect backups for mindless restores, especially when i have complex multi-booting arrangements and/or EFI bootloaders [12:20:02] <palowoda> Can I have some of what your smokeing? [12:20:35] <galen> palowoda: Would your local authorities allow me to ship it to you? [12:20:37] <galen> :P [12:20:40] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris [12:21:03] <palowoda> Ah phoey it's grow here local. [12:21:34] <galen> in seriousness, it's really not insane. when you have windows, os x and linux on a single drive, backup gets to be a PITA short of just imaging the whole disk. [12:22:07] <galen> and, as a plus, you can re-image the new disk from any system, even the solaris system, to cut downtime [12:24:14] <palowoda> Maybe the virual OS industry didn't think that a single image is reasonable in that situation. [12:24:24] <palowoda> With respect to backups. [12:24:25] <timsf> So zfs snapshots why? Given you'd be regenerating the iso each time, I'm not sure how taking snapshots of the backup area would help (other than saving you from yourself in terms of rm -rf *) [12:24:59] <timsf> (a property about zfs snapshots is that they're readonly, so you have to go out of your way to screw up :-) [12:25:19] <galen> Oh, does it not do a differential write? I told you that I don't use snapshots much.... [12:25:36] <galen> if it doesn't, back to the old plan of diff files :) [12:25:48] <timsf> Not for new blocks you're writing [12:25:55] <timsf> it's copy-on-write, [12:26:01] <timsf> but if you're rewriting all blocks, then... [12:27:10] <timsf> otoh, daily snapshots of the backup area is a nice way to manage a backup area [12:27:32] <timsf> let the snapshots expire over time, send given snapshots off-site, etc. [12:27:44] <galen> yeah, it seems that snapshots won't help me a ton here, given i only have a few systems [12:28:00] <galen> i'll roll differential data at the filesystem level [12:28:33] <timsf> how much differential data do you get when you're doing of iso files? [12:28:42] <timsf> s/doing of/doing diffs of/ [12:30:22] <galen> well, 2-30 GB usually, depending on activity and whatnot [12:31:55] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [12:32:00] <timsf> fair enough. Now, if you had an iso generation utility that only wrote the changed blocks to an existing iso, then zfs snapshots would be perfect. [12:32:42] <galen> oh!! duh! rysnc [12:33:28] <timsf> yeah. [12:34:34] <galen> i normally pipe from dd over ssh for a simple network backup. i wonder if rsync will work off data like that... [12:35:01] <palowoda> Oh brother. [12:35:15] <galen> hahaha [12:35:31] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [12:35:38] <galen> you want some of this too? [12:35:49] *** hsp has quit IRC [12:36:02] <palowoda> Maybe you want a career change? [12:36:13] *** axxl_ has joined #opensolaris [12:37:09] <galen> i'm not rolling this out in a commercial environment... [12:39:24] <palowoda> I guess doen't make any plans. [12:39:50] <galen> huh? [12:40:49] <palowoda> Doen't worry be happy. :) [12:41:37] <galen> working on that :) [12:43:18] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [12:44:22] <glance> i have a stupid dl385 , it boots b86 just fine but b91 and above it just cant boot [12:44:35] <glance> it can boot sol10u5 but not sol10u6. [12:44:43] <oxygene> the cd? [12:44:54] <oxygene> the boot block is too large [12:45:01] <glance> it just panic's when trying to init pci-subsystem [12:45:03] <glance> http://pastebin.com/m3e7fd861 [12:45:13] <glance> netboot in all cases. [12:45:37] <oxygene> ah, okay.. 10u6 has a problem with grub on its media on some systems. your issue is obviously a different one [12:46:24] <palowoda> Will it boot 101 of SXCE? [12:46:42] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris [12:47:49] <glance> i havn't tried. i tried installing IPS b86, pkg image-upgrade to b98, and it wasn't able to boot b98. [12:48:05] <glance> has something intresting gotten fixed in b101? [12:48:19] <palowoda> SXCE isn't OpenSolaris remember. [12:49:40] <glance> hmm.. might try... [12:49:53] <palowoda> What have you got to lose? [12:50:00] *** osladil has quit IRC [12:51:08] *** dkeav has quit IRC [12:52:01] *** axxl has quit IRC [12:54:09] *** ericjray has quit IRC [12:54:22] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [12:55:05] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC [12:57:44] <lewq> I've got two OpenSolaris installations on the same machine, and I'm trying to mount both of them from a rescue disk. I'm importing the zpools with zpool import -R /new -f 0321980438091283 for example, (using the id of the zpools) but they're both called 'rpool', and when I try to do the second one I get the error 'cannot import 'rpool': pool already exists' - is there any way around that? [12:57:56] <lewq> Can I rename a zpool before I've imported it? [12:58:29] *** Dakylla has joined #opensolaris [12:58:36] <timsf> lewq zpool import 12345 my-new-rpool [12:58:37] <Dakylla> hi [12:58:38] <glance> zpool import [-d dir] [-D] [-f] [-o opts] [-R root] pool | id [newpool] [12:58:51] <glance> newpool as new name of pool [12:58:55] <lewq> ahh thanks guys [12:59:00] <Dakylla> im installing solaris from JUMPSTART [12:59:21] <Dakylla> teh installer is complaining about missing jumpstart.tar [12:59:51] <Dakylla> what shoudl this file contains please ? [13:00:00] <Dakylla> i already have config.tar [13:00:15] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris [13:00:59] <Dakylla> i would like to tell the install where i copy my dvd files so i can just use them throught nfs [13:01:52] <palowoda> It's legal in 13 states now. [13:02:04] <palowoda> Opps wrong channel. [13:03:19] <galen> hahaahahaha [13:03:26] <lewq> Okay so I've got two installations - and my BIOS doesn't let me select which drive to boot off, it's just booting off the old, broken drive. How can I instruct GRUB on disk 0 to boot OpenSolaris off disk 1? [13:03:28] <galen> palowoda: what are YOU smoking, hahaha [13:03:55] <eirikb> lewq: hd(x,0)? [13:04:23] <lewq> yeah I guess I'll add a 'root (hd1,0)' command before all the OS stuff [13:05:06] <lewq> Then I get an Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition [13:05:07] <lewq> Hmm [13:05:53] <oxygene> root (hd1,0,a)? [13:06:12] <lewq> Oh I didn't know there was such a syntax [13:06:27] <lewq> wahey! Thanks oxygene [13:06:49] <glance> the ,a part is a sun-extention to grub, to support slices. [13:06:59] <lewq> Ya I see [13:07:28] <jbit> isn't it easier to use hte findroot comman? [13:08:33] <lewq> Okay can anyone tell me why copying the boot_archive from a brand new 08-05 install to an 08-05 install which got screwed up by installing newest VirtualBox and OSS4 kernel drivers (krtld could neither locate nor resolve symnbols for /platform/i86pc/kernel/amd86/unix in the boot archive.. etc etc..) wouldn't fix the problem? Is there any other way to try recovering the broken install? [13:08:49] <palowoda> Yes Sun extened changes to the grub development team. Went into a blackhole after that. [13:09:28] <oxygene> actually, grub "proper" (whatever that is) knows that syntax, too [13:10:35] <lewq> ohh zpool import foo NEWNAME actually changes the zpool's name on disk [13:10:40] <glance> palowoda: thats because they don't accept patches to legacy-grub, because they want everyone to move to grub2 =) [13:11:09] <palowoda> I guess "they" is somebody. [13:11:29] <lewq> How can I change the name of a zpool without mounting it? [13:13:00] <glance> export both and reimportit under the name you want? [13:13:01] <palowoda> I'm waiting for the almighty grub unification project. I might die before I see it though. [13:13:11] <galen> in terms of being "friendly" opensolaris is a huge jump, i will say [13:13:45] <lewq> glance, the problem is that I'm trying to rename it to 'rpool' on a machine running with 'rpool' mounted as, you guessed it, the root fs [13:13:58] <lewq> don't worry, I can just reboot into the rescue disk [13:14:40] <oxygene> palowoda: unification? with what. grub2? good luck [13:15:10] <glance> my laptop is actualy booting by grub2 now... [13:15:42] <palowoda> Damn you reminded me I have a lotto ticket to check. It's got to have a better chance than grub2. [13:15:43] <oxygene> but not opensolaris, I guess [13:16:05] <glance> havn't actualy tried. [13:16:12] <oxygene> don't bother [13:16:17] <glance> im chainloading solaris grub, in that case. [13:16:23] <timeless> anyone here familiar w/ NFS? [13:16:24] <oxygene> the creators of the multiboot standard failed to implement it properly [13:16:34] <palowoda> Isn't grub2 all about politics? [13:16:43] <timeless> i've read a bug report and am wondering how to find out more information about what NFS may or may not do [13:16:57] <oxygene> palowoda: it's a nice idea, actually. but the usual GNU fuckup, when it comes to implementation [13:17:02] <timeless> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463394 - if nfs is 'async mounted', is fsync(fd) supposed to work? [13:17:27] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris [13:18:17] <palowoda> oxygene: Same as it ever was. [13:18:33] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [13:22:35] *** LordIllpalazoThe has joined #opensolaris [13:23:49] <oxygene> palowoda: at least it's now possible to develop modules (yes, as in "loadable") externally. so zfs, sun disklabel, the cpuid stuff and various other things could be done without interfering too much with them [13:24:04] <oxygene> palowoda: unfortunately they don't feel bound to whatever API they have, so it's only of theoretical value [13:26:40] *** RElling1 has quit IRC [13:27:04] <palowoda> oxygene: GRUB is the last frontier of the GNU community where they can lay the ground work of non-communications. A real milestone in open source. [13:27:05] *** ahe has quit IRC [13:29:06] <Veidit> for ZFS is it yet possible to add a new disk to an existing raid? [13:32:22] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [13:37:00] <oxygene> palowoda: oh, they seem reasonably happy to get grub2 contributions. unfortunately, the terms made my lawyer cringe. [13:38:13] <coolvibe> hm, does anyone have suggestions on what the best way is to migrate a zone to a logical domain? 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[16:40:55] <CosmicDJ> depends [16:40:57] <_setuid_H> solaris occupate the first partition [16:41:18] <CosmicDJ> the first part. could also occupate the whole disk... [16:41:44] <_setuid_H> CosmicDJ: no it isn't [16:42:15] <CosmicDJ> windows will overwrite grub for sure [16:42:44] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [16:42:46] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [16:42:54] <_setuid_H> CosmicDJ: but ntbootloader will be placed in mbr. That's not good to me [16:43:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay [16:44:16] <CosmicDJ> I had no trouble booting linux/*bsd etc. a few yours ago with ntldr... [16:44:24] <CosmicDJ> s/yours/years/ [16:44:47] <_setuid_H> CosmicDJ: I even didn't recognize difference just by eyes [16:45:01] <_setuid_H> I read years [16:45:03] <_setuid_H> :-) [16:45:26] <_setuid_H> I'll play with it [16:45:30] <_setuid_H> ok bye guys [16:45:34] <_setuid_H> backup && try :-) [16:45:37] <CosmicDJ> you could also reinstall grub... [16:46:02] <_setuid_H> but if grub rewrites ntldr will I be able to boot windows ? [16:46:46] <_setuid_H> bye [16:46:49] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC [16:48:04] *** calumb is now known as calAFK [16:48:05] *** bigjocker has quit IRC [16:49:59] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [16:49:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [16:53:09] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC [16:53:21] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [16:53:28] *** Stepan has joined #opensolaris [16:55:59] *** carl- has quit IRC [16:57:44] *** calAFK is now known as calumb [16:58:01] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris [16:58:43] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris [16:59:02] <CIA-60> Serge Dussud <Serge.Dussud at Sun dot COM>: 6740474 confusing 'password too short' message from Native LDAP [17:00:31] *** estan has joined #opensolaris [17:00:59] <estan> hello. can i browse the opensolaris kernel code online somewhere? specifically the in-kernel CIFS implementation. [17:01:21] <_mary_kate_> src.opensolaris.org [17:01:45] <estan> great. thanks. [17:03:06] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [17:03:16] <estan> hm. can i use CDDL code from a GPL program? [17:03:53] <jbit> estan: not really, gpl requires all code to be licensed under gpl [17:03:58] <jbit> and you can't relicense cddl code to gpl [17:04:02] *** simonmenard has joined #opensolaris [17:04:04] <estan> jbit: okay. [17:04:07] <jbit> but [17:04:13] <jbit> you might want to wait for soembody else to comment on it [17:04:19] <jbit> since i'm far from an expert on it :) [17:04:41] <estan> well i think you're right. [17:06:21] <estan> darnit. i so wish that there was a thin free software C/C++ CIFS server library. it's a shame that the samba project doesn't seem to have that broken out from the samba server code. [17:07:03] *** mihaic has quit IRC [17:07:08] <h3sp4wn> Sun has the documentation but Samba doesn't afaik [17:07:38] <estan> yes. [17:08:46] <h3sp4wn> Why not just license your stuff under the CCDL [17:09:27] <estan> don't have any "stuff" to license yet, just prospecting ;) [17:10:12] <estan> well anyway, the CIFS implementation in the opensolaris kernel is probably way to entangled with the kernel internals to be able to salvage into a user space library. [17:10:30] <estan> or, at least. i don't feel like doing it. was just curious to see the code. [17:10:31] <h3sp4wn> I thought it was a userspace implimentation [17:10:57] <estan> hm. not as far as i can understand, but i could totally be wrong as i've never used or coded on opensolaris. [17:11:20] <h3sp4wn> It could be used with fuse (zfs seems to be allowed to be anyway) [17:12:17] <Triskelios> h3sp4wn: not the server, certainly [17:12:30] *** Openfree has quit IRC [17:12:36] <estan> h3sp4wn: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/cifs-server/ [17:12:48] <coolvibe> allright, it's official: I love zfs send [17:12:48] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [17:13:21] <estan> well what i was looking for was just a way to take the CIFS implementation bits and possibly use them to add a CIFS frontend to a document management system. [17:14:34] <estan> so not a CIFS -> VFS mapping, but mapped to e.g. a versioned document store underneath. anyway, as i said i was just looking around ;) [17:15:33] *** cmihai has quit IRC [17:15:51] <Triskelios> estan: alfresco has a CIFS server, also I understand there are WebDAV to CIFS gateways [17:16:12] <estan> Triskelios: yes, i've been looking at alfresco, they have a CIFS implementation in Java. [17:16:34] <estan> and i saw the link to the WebDAV to CIFS mapper on wikipedia. should check that out. [17:16:46] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [17:17:07] * estan bbl. [17:19:27] *** gleng has joined #opensolaris [17:19:35] *** fidiot has joined #opensolaris [17:21:32] *** Stepan has left #opensolaris [17:22:09] *** zeroC has joined #opensolaris [17:22:10] <zeroC> tag [17:22:23] <h3sp4wn> Triskelios: Ah its on Solaris 10 that it doesn't use kernel stuff [17:22:49] *** plavcik has quit IRC [17:22:56] <estan> anyone know the rationale for putting the CIFS server in kernel btw? [17:23:03] *** Gman has quit IRC [17:23:36] <oxygene> estan: "it's how nfs is done, too", probably [17:23:39] *** DTEIT has quit IRC [17:24:13] <timsf> better integration with the rest of the system, acl support, dtrace observability [17:24:28] <estan> okay. [17:24:33] <timsf> I'm sure there's a more complete list - hang on [17:24:36] <oxygene> that's only why they reimplemented it. all that could have worked from userspace, too [17:24:36] *** simonmenard has quit IRC [17:24:39] <_mary_kate_> timsf: does it need to be in the kernel for any of those? [17:24:48] *** __coredump__ has quit IRC [17:25:07] <timsf> probably helps [17:25:52] <timsf> http://blogs.sun.com/amw/entry/cifs_in_solaris has more info [17:25:55] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [17:25:59] <estan> in my eyes such a thing would fit better in user space. but then again, i don't know how things work in opensolaris land at all ;) [17:26:30] <holcomb> there's a good article about why nfs is in-kernel [17:26:40] <holcomb> not that i have a link to it or anything... [17:27:09] *** mikl has quit IRC [17:27:29] <estan> the "no point in creating another samba" point at that blog has merit though. [17:28:26] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [17:28:39] <coolvibe> linux has CIFS in kernel too in the form of smbfs [17:29:20] <estan> coolvibe: yea, but that's a CIFS client isn't it? [17:29:23] *** Ender2070 has joined #opensolaris [17:29:32] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris [17:29:46] <coolvibe> estan: it might not be as full featured, but yeah, as long as you see SMB as CIFS... :P [17:29:59] <estan> hm.. from that blog; "The idea of non-unique UIDs and GIDs is so pervasive in UNIX that I wasn't sure it would be possible to effect the level of change necessary to achieve true CIFS integration.".. aren't UIDs and GIDs on UNIX unique? [17:30:03] <estan> coolvibe: :) [17:30:15] <Triskelios> coolvibe: estan is talking about the CIFS server, which is a different beast [17:30:20] <coolvibe> ah [17:30:42] <coolvibe> estan: well, multiple users can have the same uid, and unix won't complain [17:31:10] <estan> coolvibe: oh. didn't know that. thanks. [17:31:18] <Triskelios> estan: unique across the entire universe, like "real" identity systems [17:31:37] <coolvibe> Triskelios: you mean a UUID for every luser? [17:31:38] *** dusanyu has joined #opensolaris [17:31:43] <estan> Triskelios: yea, reading on in the blog i realized that's the distiction he's talking about. [17:31:43] <Triskelios> coolvibe: yes [17:33:14] <coolvibe> hm, that might have merit, even though that will break compatibility with just about almost everything :) Or maybe not if it can be muffled away in the GECOS :P [17:34:00] <holcomb> federated ldap? [17:34:14] <Asako> I found a bug [17:34:17] <Asako> http://pastebin.ca/1247005 [17:34:24] <Asako> anybody know what would cause this? [17:35:53] <Triskelios> Asako: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=1770 [17:36:32] <codestr0m> what's bldenv set in the env which turns lint off from running? [17:36:41] <Asako> hmm [17:36:48] <Asako> I can't just delete that directory [17:37:26] <kohju> Asako, if you didn't install other blastwave packages, you can delete /opt/csw directory. [17:37:45] <Asako> yeah, I have other packages installed [17:37:56] <Triskelios> Asako: through pkg(5)? [17:38:02] <Asako> could be a bug with that package I guess [17:38:07] <Asako> yeah, using pkg [17:38:14] <kohju> and you should install IPScommon, first. it is work around. [17:39:36] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris [17:40:12] <kohju> But, i want better solve than it :) [17:41:54] *** RElling1 has joined #opensolaris [17:42:02] *** gleng has left #opensolaris [17:42:33] <kohju> maybe blastwave packages for IPS is still development. but now,they create pkgutil utilities. [17:42:39] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [17:42:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [17:43:19] <SYS64738> can I enlarge an ext2 partition from solaris ? [17:44:00] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [17:44:30] <kohju> i want that pkg command has force install option... [17:44:34] <Asako> maybe if you install e2fsprogs [17:45:00] <SYS64738> thanks [17:45:08] *** coldsun has joined #opensolaris [17:45:17] *** mitrox has quit IRC [17:45:21] <Triskelios> yeah, e2fsprogs should work. oddly resize2fs isn't in FSWfsmisc but some other bits are [17:45:29] *** mitrox has joined #opensolaris [17:45:51] <coldsun> Hi< everybody! [17:45:59] <coldsun> Can u help me? [17:46:13] <coldsun> Wich ICQ client can I install for my OpenSolaris? [17:46:23] <h3sp4wn> SYS64738: Or you could just boot up an xvm instance and do it from inside linux [17:46:39] *** phimic has quit IRC [17:46:39] <SYS64738> h3sp4wn, ok [17:47:11] <h3sp4wn> (After having some issues with files over 4GB with that belenix stuff I don't trust it anylonger [17:47:31] <Triskelios> coldsun: pidgin should be preinstalled [17:47:36] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [17:47:56] <coldsun> Triskelios PREINSTALLED??? REALLY?? [17:48:18] <Asako> eww, pidgin [17:48:23] <Triskelios> coldsun: yes, if you use 2008.05/11 or SXCE [17:48:46] <SYS64738> does anyone use otr with pidgin ? [17:48:50] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [17:48:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [17:48:53] <Triskelios> Asako: what's wrong with pidgin (aside from its IRC mode)? [17:48:57] <Triskelios> SYS64738: yes, I do [17:49:17] <coldsun> Triskelios: where can I find it? [17:49:27] <coldsun> Triskelios: I mean path [17:49:38] <Triskelios> coldsun: /usr/bin/pidgin... [17:49:40] *** james2 has joined #opensolaris [17:49:47] <kohju> coldsun, which do you use sxce or OpenSolaris? [17:49:48] <james2> hi [17:49:55] <Asako> Triskelios, I just don't like it [17:50:02] <Asako> bitlbee is what I use [17:50:07] <Triskelios> Asako: okay [17:50:11] <coldsun> kohju, OpenSolaris [17:50:13] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris [17:50:34] <james2> i'm using SXCE 101 how can add my user to audio groupe [17:50:35] <Triskelios> coldsun: it's in your applications menu under internet... [17:50:56] <coldsun> And tell my how can I answer exact to your contacts :) [17:50:57] <james2> cause with root user i hear sound [17:51:04] <coldsun> I'm novice in IRC chats [17:51:08] *** RElling has quit IRC [17:51:09] <kohju> maybe you can find "pkg search -r pidgin" [17:51:54] <_setuid_H> coldsun: pidgin is universal I'm using it too. Anyway ircssi is in repository too [17:52:04] <Triskelios> james2: normally the audio devices are owned by the current user logged in on the desktop [17:52:56] <coldsun> Guys< I really have preinstalled pidgin! [17:53:02] <coldsun> It is fine [17:53:14] <coldsun> TELL ME! [17:53:15] <james2> Triskelios: but when i finish instalation i add user manuel by useradd [17:53:31] <coldsun> How I can send to you "yellow" messages? [17:53:49] <Triskelios> coldsun: I don't know what you mean [17:54:21] <coldsun> Now you wrote message exact to me! [17:54:26] <Triskelios> james2: that's OK. the login process normally changes the device ownership if necessary [17:54:26] <coldsun> How do you do that? [17:54:38] <coldsun> ... and sorry for my english... [17:54:40] <kohju> coldsun, Congratulations, but i don't know ICQ. [17:54:54] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [17:55:11] <coldsun> kohju, which ICQ? [17:55:14] <james2> Triskelios: but i hear sound by tat user [17:55:22] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [17:55:25] <dusanyu> Installing for the first time, Any special concidertations for useing ZFS? [17:55:34] <osladil> kohju: don't you know icq? :o) how can you live without *I lOVE YOU* smilies? :o))) [17:55:42] <Triskelios> dusanyu: like...? [17:55:54] <Triskelios> I lost my ICQ password 4 years ago so I stopped using it [17:56:02] <kohju> coldsun, only i know that pidgin supports ICQ. [17:56:11] <coldsun> And what do u use now? [17:56:12] <james2> Triskelios: but i don't hear sound by that user [17:56:19] <coolvibe> I still have my 7 digit icq # :) [17:56:23] <dusanyu> Seperated Non ZFS /boot patition et-al [17:56:30] <Triskelios> coldsun: oh, I just typed "co" <Tab> and my IRC client added "coldsun: " to the beginning of my line [17:56:54] <coldsun> Triskelios: thanks [17:56:57] <coldsun> ) [17:57:01] <coldsun> Ok [17:57:06] <coldsun> Another question [17:57:19] <coldsun> I download ysmICQ sources [17:57:59] <Triskelios> dusanyu: nope, the only requirement for bootable zfs is a standard solaris partition (you can't yet give ZFS an unpartitioned whole disk because grub can't boot from EFI) [17:58:00] <coldsun> Tried to build them. But I took errors after running "./configure". [17:58:38] <coldsun> It wrotes me that my C compiler couldn't compile files... [17:58:54] <Triskelios> dusanyu: so you can just have a disk with a single partition occupied entirely by ZFS [17:59:01] <CIA-60> Mary Beale <Mary.Beale at Sun dot COM>: 6713249 The following appears on boot picld[114]: [ID 582326 daemon.error] piclsbl: OK2RM LED action error [17:59:24] <Triskelios> coldsun: did you install ss-dev? that package contains the Sun Studio compilers [18:00:05] <Triskelios> coldsun: also some badly written software assumes you use gcc to compile it (which you can also install) [18:00:09] <coldsun> Triskelios: I tried to use gcc [18:00:21] *** div12 has quit IRC [18:00:34] <Triskelios> coldsun: is it installed? no compilers are installed by default [18:00:39] <coldsun> gcc-3.4.6-sol10-x86-local [18:00:50] *** dusanyu has quit IRC [18:00:55] <coldsun> Yes. I installed package [18:00:57] *** sah-work has joined #opensolaris [18:02:07] *** lewq has quit IRC [18:02:17] *** jfndi has joined #opensolaris [18:02:26] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC [18:03:31] <coldsun> Triskelios: I can to send log to u [18:04:01] <Triskelios> coldsun: can you paste config.log at the pastebin in the topic? [18:06:49] <coldsun> Triskelios: I don't know how to do it. If u can teach me... [18:08:01] <Triskelios> coldsun: does your client show the channel topic? part of it says: Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca [18:08:31] *** luke__ has joined #opensolaris [18:09:12] *** timsf has quit IRC [18:10:03] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris [18:10:47] <coldsun> Triskelios: yes... [18:11:17] <Triskelios> coldsun: okay, go there and upload config.log - then paste the URL [18:11:32] <coldsun> Triskelios: ok [18:11:38] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [18:12:48] *** jrms has joined #opensolaris [18:13:08] <_setuid_H> does anybody know when "the missing manpages" problem will be solved in indiana? [18:13:28] <coldsun> Triskelios: how should I name it? [18:13:39] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris [18:13:47] <Triskelios> coldsun: you don't need to [18:15:38] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC [18:15:58] *** mikefut has quit IRC [18:16:40] <Triskelios> have to get lunch [18:16:40] <Triskelios> bbl [18:17:24] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [18:19:38] <coldsun> Triskelios: And I have to wait for the answer have I? [18:20:09] <holcomb> c'mon ldap/client [18:21:06] <Cyrille> coldsun, well giving the link to the pastebin entry might help if you want people to actually look at your log and help... [18:21:52] *** anil1 has joined #opensolaris [18:21:56] <coldsun> Cyrille: thank you [18:22:32] <coldsun> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1247052 [18:22:34] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris [18:23:39] *** zarqman has joined #opensolaris [18:26:00] *** fidiot has quit IRC [18:27:12] <Triskelios> coldsun: not sure what the problem is, but you don't want to use that gcc package [18:27:51] <Triskelios> coldsun: use pkg install SUNWgcc [18:28:02] <Triskelios> coldsun: delete the /usr/local stuff [18:28:10] *** badtruffle has joined #opensolaris [18:28:12] *** luke__ is now known as lewq [18:28:25] <Triskelios> coldsun: don't install sunfreeware stuff, it's meant for older systems [18:28:53] <coldsun> Triskelios: so... Where I can find needful software? [18:29:28] <not-me-guv> google for blastwave [18:29:40] *** anilg has quit IRC [18:29:53] <coldsun> not-me-guv: Is your answer for me? [18:30:22] <not-me-guv> yep. can't recollect the url, yhink it's blastwave.com [18:31:09] <coldsun> May be blastwave.org? [18:31:15] <not-me-guv> yep [18:32:26] <eirikb> Haha I didn't know, ctrl+alt+delete gives me System monitor, how windowsish [18:32:45] <holcomb> why doesn't a zone respect service_profile=limited_net in its sysidcfg? [18:33:08] <h3sp4wn> Its annoying backspace and delete are so close on this laptop keyboard [18:33:31] <coldsun> not-me-guv: so I should write "pkg install <path-to-source>" to install needful package? [18:33:38] <h3sp4wn> (when using rdesktop and trying to hit ctrl alt del hit ctl alt backspace more than once at least) [18:35:05] <coldsun> not-me-guv: ou... I am reading help... Thank you... [18:35:26] <coldsun> Is blastwave.org the best site of software? [18:37:43] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris [18:40:14] *** coldsun has left #opensolaris [18:41:23] <h3sp4wn> I don't think so you end up with multiple versions of alot of stuff [18:43:05] *** bigjocker has quit IRC [18:44:34] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [18:44:51] *** netj has quit IRC [18:48:16] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris [18:54:15] *** netj has joined #opensolaris [18:54:31] *** alibb has joined #opensolaris [18:54:49] *** netj has quit IRC [19:05:39] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [19:06:49] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC [19:09:28] *** jfndi has quit IRC [19:10:25] *** aruiz has quit IRC [19:12:22] *** MattMan has quit IRC [19:13:10] <james2> Triskelios: do you use SXCE 101 too ? [19:15:06] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [19:15:58] *** swa_work has quit IRC [19:19:08] <Asako> would it be a waste of time to enable compression on an mp3 directory? [19:19:13] <holcomb> yes [19:19:22] <Doc> for the most part, yes [19:19:38] <Asako> figured, thanks [19:19:42] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [19:23:24] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [19:25:32] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC [19:26:01] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris [19:26:01] *** TopBunny88 has joined #opensolaris [19:26:02] *** tsoome has quit IRC [19:26:44] *** BBHoss has joined #opensolaris [19:27:34] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [19:27:46] <TopBunny88> Is cd burner included in navada SVN_100a? [19:28:16] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [19:28:25] <james2> really i'll go to neveda for fix that problem [19:28:29] *** calumb has quit IRC [19:28:36] <james2> anyone here giveme time [19:30:08] <TopBunny88> james2: its 13:31 utc [19:30:31] <TopBunny88> james2: its 13:31 est time [19:31:12] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris [19:31:20] <james2> TopBunny88: i know but it has substitution [19:32:03] <TopBunny88> 19:32 utc [19:32:55] <Asako> ok, installing IPScommon doesn't work [19:33:18] <james2> Asako: anything work here [19:33:33] <Asako> most stuff, yeah [19:33:41] <james2> only gnome [19:33:57] <Asako> it's a beta release, so I expect some bugs [19:34:05] <_mary_kate_> TopBunny88: it's 18:35 UTC [19:34:23] <james2> _mary_kate_: mary had a little lamb [19:34:31] <e^ipi> you could try googling " what time is it " [19:34:35] <Asako> and all is well? [19:34:39] <e^ipi> naval observatory comes up [19:34:46] *** anil1 has quit IRC [19:35:32] <TopBunny88> _mary_kate_: is it at all posible to install SXCE via a ftp or do i have to download all 6 cd images? [19:36:07] <Asako> hmm [19:36:12] <Asako> renaming the i386 directory worked [19:36:18] <e^ipi> google "solaris jumpstart" [19:37:02] <Asako> now IPS packages work [19:37:51] <TopBunny88> So I guess iam stuck downloading all 6 cd images? [19:38:25] <e^ipi> or the one DVD [19:38:42] <e^ipi> preferably the one DVD because the CD install fails more often than it succeeds [19:38:58] <TopBunny88> Myx896 mpc doesn't hace a dvd rom drive currently [19:39:33] <e^ipi> you can also export the DVD via NFS and boot off CD1 of the set too, assuming you have a second machine kicking about [19:40:00] <Asako> wish there was just a single cd install [19:40:22] <e^ipi> there is, it's called 2008.05 [19:40:27] <_mary_kate_> Asako: a single CD install doesn't make sense for SXCE [19:40:34] <TopBunny88> I have a frfeenas server sitting in the corner exporting which i could set up to export nfs [19:40:38] <_mary_kate_> Asako: you would be missing most of the software and have no way to install it [19:40:38] <Asako> right [19:40:48] <Asako> I have the solaris 10 dvd iso [19:41:09] <_mary_kate_> (although, at least for S10, you can install from a single CD if you're careful to only pick software present on the first CD... there's not much point though) [19:41:19] <Asako> just finding a dvd burner is a pain [19:41:40] <e^ipi> look inside any computer built in the last 5 years [19:42:07] <TopBunny88> I have a freenas server sitting in the corner exporting which i could set up to export nfs [19:42:30] <e^ipi> you already said that [19:42:45] *** brianski has quit IRC [19:43:35] *** brianski has joined #opensolaris [19:43:49] *** eviljames has joined #opensolaris [19:43:59] *** eviljames has quit IRC [19:44:11] <james2> please what's the better for you , openoffice or microoffice [19:44:15] <james2> ?? [19:44:43] <TopBunny88> e^ipi: So al I need to do can i extract the dvd segment in a fold on the freenas server and export that folder via NFS? [19:44:44] <e^ipi> what the hell happened to this place, it used to at least make sense from a linguistic perspective [19:45:01] <e^ipi> TopBunny88: yes? [19:45:04] <james2> e^ipi: can you tell me ? [19:45:55] <james2> can you answer me [19:46:36] <james2> ohhhh i'm very sad [19:46:39] <alanc> openoffice is better for me, because I know what it is and use it, while I've never heard of microoffice [19:46:46] <james2> anyone give me 1 minute [19:47:14] *** NeZetiC has quit IRC [19:47:25] *** NeZetiC has joined #opensolaris [19:47:48] <james2> alanc does oO pro too ? [19:48:39] <alanc> I don't know what "does pro too" means [19:49:06] <james2> alan profesionel [19:50:22] *** james2 has left #opensolaris [19:50:23] <alanc> I guessed pro was probably professional, but professional isn't a verb [19:53:22] <sommerfeld> amazing lack of coherance there. [19:53:38] <Doc> alanc: you're too old [19:53:46] <Doc> any word can be used as a verb now days! [19:54:05] <holcomb> using as a verb is known as verbing [19:54:06] *** microchip_ has quit IRC [19:54:17] <holcomb> so meta [19:54:24] <Doc> word! [19:54:27] <alanc> I've seen enough marketing materials to understand verbification [19:54:58] <alanc> I still can't guess what "does professional" would mean applied to an office suite [19:55:25] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [19:55:26] <alanc> has a professional version maybe, like Microsoft's different office bundles ? [19:55:38] <alanc> has a commercial version, like say StarOffice? [19:55:48] <alanc> can be used by professionals? sure [19:55:55] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [19:55:58] <Cyrille> well there's StarOffice which can be argued to be the enterprisey-professional-commercial version of OOo. [19:56:40] <TopBunny88> How does one start the nfs client deamons from the command line/ [19:58:07] <e^ipi> do nothing [19:58:41] <TopBunny88> How does one start networkinbg from the command line/ [19:58:42] <sommerfeld> verbing weirds language [19:58:49] <e^ipi> sommerfeld: that's what I'm saying... it's been incoherent babble for a week [19:58:52] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [19:58:58] <e^ipi> not even broken english... i can deal with broken english [19:59:12] <e^ipi> it's just noise with no syntactic or semantic meaning at all [19:59:39] *** teo` has joined #opensolaris [20:00:00] <e^ipi> TopBunny88: well documented in the solaris sysadmin guide in the /topic [20:00:02] <e^ipi> go read it [20:01:23] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [20:02:09] <hrist> hey, does anyone of you know what port 83 MIT ML DEVICE is? [20:02:23] <sommerfeld> e^ipi: i wonder how much of it is due to inexperience with the english language. [20:02:32] <sommerfeld> hrist: context? [20:02:42] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [20:02:51] *** tCzern has joined #opensolaris [20:02:54] <tCzern> hello [20:03:44] <tCzern> trying to install solaris, the live CD gives me some errors and it keeps on displaying it for 2 hours, then it suddenly starts [20:03:48] <sommerfeld> oh, i found it. port 85 is also assigned the same way. [20:04:05] <tCzern> was trying to install it, and it couldn't find my hard disk [20:04:34] <tCzern> something wrong with the CD maybe? I don't want to wait another 2hours until I can try again .. [20:04:58] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [20:05:42] <hrist> sommerfeld: based on what it's used for we will decide whether we open the port on our firewall or not (dormitory network) [20:05:53] *** noptrix has joined #opensolaris [20:06:24] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [20:06:24] <noptrix> hi [20:06:52] <sommerfeld> hrist: iana's database shows that it was assigned to David Reed [20:07:03] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [20:07:38] <hrist> mkay [20:07:51] <sommerfeld> hrist: (see rfc820) [20:08:58] *** noptrix has left #opensolaris [20:09:22] <sommerfeld> hrist: chances are that it's being used for some other purpose now. [20:11:43] *** james2 has joined #opensolaris [20:11:49] <james2> hello [20:13:31] <holcomb> is there some good way to fix the product registry? [20:14:03] <holcomb> jes hosed it up a little bit [20:14:14] *** derchris has quit IRC [20:14:16] *** dvz1 has joined #opensolaris [20:14:19] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [20:14:22] <tCzern> where is the support for me today ;-) ? [20:14:31] <e^ipi> tCzern: $120/socket [20:14:39] <tCzern> NNAH, [20:14:43] <tCzern> HI, [20:15:09] *** james2 has left #opensolaris [20:15:11] <tCzern> trying to start from the Live CD, it shows me some errors and after 2hours it would start [20:15:33] <tCzern> it runs fine then, but when I try to install it cannot find my hard disk [20:15:45] <tCzern> corrupt CD, perhaps? [20:15:58] <e^ipi> would be the logical conclusion [20:16:07] <e^ipi> or unsupported hardware, or broken hardware [20:16:18] *** Erwann has quit IRC [20:16:25] <tCzern> it;s standard stuff, runs all ok on windows [20:16:37] <e^ipi> and? [20:16:46] <hrist> sommerfeld: thanks [20:17:00] <e^ipi> hint: it's not windows. [20:17:32] <TopBunny88> any clues on how to fix http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1247165 [20:17:33] <tCzern> broken hardware you said, if it runs on Windows I'd say there is nothing broken [20:17:48] <e^ipi> or windows just isn't reporting the errors [20:17:55] *** danmcd has joined #opensolaris [20:18:00] <danmcd> freenode. [20:18:00] <sommerfeld> or there's something exotic [20:18:04] *** alibb has quit IRC [20:18:27] <danmcd> Hello? [20:18:28] <e^ipi> TopBunny88: yes, read the sharemg man page [20:18:32] <tCzern> ok, will try again with a different CD, downloading again [20:18:35] <e^ipi> danmcd: yo [20:18:45] <danmcd> There we go. Now is Mr. Lowe 'round somewhere? [20:19:03] <sommerfeld> try #onnv-scm instead [20:19:05] <bubbva> hi danmcd [20:19:29] <danmcd> Okay moving... [20:19:36] *** danmcd has left #opensolaris [20:20:17] <tCzern> that's the error: http://pastebin.com/m4c7f368d [20:20:20] *** noptrix has joined #opensolaris [20:21:05] <e^ipi> bad CD, or bad hardware [20:21:55] <tCzern> k, will burn a new CD [20:22:21] <tCzern> Can I download it as torrent? [20:22:34] <sommerfeld> or exotic/unusual hardware [20:22:42] <tCzern> I found it [20:22:59] <sommerfeld> too much "we don't have to comply with the spec. we just need to make windows work on it" [20:24:00] *** TopBunny88 has quit IRC [20:24:26] <tCzern> bit torrent download may work better, I remember having the same problem with an iso file from suse [20:26:43] <h3sp4wn> There is something quite important to whatever current specs thats not implimented in Solaris [20:28:05] <h3sp4wn> (Solaris puts 3 devices on IRQ's 17 & 18 for me) every other OS puts them in 200 + with one each (Maybe HPET ?) [20:28:37] *** neon_surge has joined #opensolaris [20:31:53] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris [20:32:24] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris [20:32:35] <jbit> you mean apic? [20:33:02] *** rtor has quit IRC [20:33:58] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris [20:34:59] *** piwi_ has joined #opensolaris [20:38:36] *** trusiad has joined #opensolaris [20:39:04] *** trusiad has left #opensolaris [20:39:13] <Gman> mmm, liking the new sun.com site [20:39:26] <holcomb> ooh! [20:39:30] <trygvis> O.o [20:39:33] <trygvis> that's blue [20:40:16] <jbit> it's very web2.0ey (although it might have been before, never paid much attention to it) [20:42:30] *** tavis has joined #opensolaris [20:42:34] <_mary_kate_> apparently they only changed the front page, the rest looks the same [20:42:37] *** rtor has joined #opensolaris [20:42:41] <holcomb> sort of [20:43:00] <_mary_kate_> (and why isn't solaris in the downloads list?) [20:43:06] <jbit> the animated feedback thing is really annoying [20:43:21] <oxygene> _mary_kate_: wasn't in the old one, either [20:43:22] *** garlicmonger_ has joined #opensolaris [20:43:31] <_mary_kate_> oxygene: yes. but you'd think they'd take a moment to fix it ;) [20:44:01] <jbit> http://www.sun.com/download/ [20:44:01] <tavis> Can i get a recommendation on a pci-x 8port SATA card that is supported by opensolaris? [20:44:06] <jbit> opensolaris is there [20:44:12] <_mary_kate_> tavis: Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 [20:44:27] <_mary_kate_> jbit: i mean S10 [20:44:28] <oxygene> _mary_kate_: we're talking about sun here... [20:44:41] <jbit> _mary_kate_: ah [20:45:02] *** piwi has quit IRC [20:45:44] <tavis> mary_kate: ty very much you saved me alot of time... i have been looking all afternoon. ty ty ty [20:46:10] *** neon_surge has left #opensolaris [20:46:49] <_mary_kate_> tavis: that's x86-only, btw. if you're on sparc, you want an LSI SAS card (any will work) [20:47:19] <mui> we've been using lsi sata/sas controllers under x86 too [20:47:25] <jbit> surely ahci works on any platform? [20:47:38] <e^ipi> Gman: hey, it went blue [20:47:40] <tavis> mary_kate: no this is an old xeon box that i want to use for amanda [20:47:41] <e^ipi> and web2.0 [20:48:03] <e^ipi> and has download links [20:48:05] <e^ipi> neat [20:48:06] <tavis> mary_kate:do i need any special octopus cables or anything? [20:48:07] <_mary_kate_> jbit: the SAT2-MV8 has a marvell88sx, which is not AHCI [20:48:08] <xRaich[o]2x> are there any plan to support wpa enterprise in opensolaris? [20:48:18] <jbit> _mary_kate_: ah, well then ;) [20:48:32] <_mary_kate_> (and i'm not sure the ahci driver works on sparc either - i don't think sun ships any sparcs with ahci) [20:48:37] <Gman> e^ipi: i like it a lot [20:48:54] <_mary_kate_> jbit: also, even an x86 card which is supported under sparc won't have fcode, which means you can't boot from it [20:49:12] <Gman> e^ipi: i like how they divide people out into students, startup, etc.. [20:49:27] <e^ipi> Gman: yeah, it's pretty decent at first glance [20:49:52] <_mary_kate_> Gman: i like how when i click the SMB tab, i get an advert for Exchange ;) [20:50:15] <e^ipi> i haven't used it enough to see if it's an improvement in usability but it looks like it is [20:50:15] <Gman> fair enough i guess :) [20:50:23] <Asako> waiting for sun.com... [20:50:36] <Asako> need to upgrade your servers, lol [20:51:00] <Asako> oh, it needs the www [20:51:13] <e^ipi> no it doesn't [20:51:16] <e^ipi> works great here [20:51:24] <Asako> weird [20:51:24] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [20:51:27] <jbit> _mary_kate_: is probably pretty easy to flash a random ahci boot rom in, but maybe i'm wrong ;) [20:51:50] <_mary_kate_> jbit: if one exists [20:52:03] <jbit> i think i remember seeing one for ppc macs [20:52:03] <h3sp4wn> Can anyone confirm for me whether or not the final Xvm Server release will be able to use zvol's instead of just crappy file based stuff (like EA2 has) [20:52:26] <_mary_kate_> h3sp4wn: is xVM Server something else than xen in solaris? [20:52:28] *** wewek has left #opensolaris [20:52:44] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: he's probably referring to ops center or something [20:52:51] <h3sp4wn> _mary_kate_: Its the actual product [20:53:10] <h3sp4wn> (With the code to make Opensolaris into an appliance whatever that means) [20:53:12] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [20:53:16] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [20:53:23] *** alibb has joined #opensolaris [20:53:46] <e^ipi> Gman: hmm... i think software, hardware, support, services quick links might be an improvement but they're not too hard to find anyways so maybe i'm just picking at nonexistant nits [20:54:15] *** garlicmonger_ has quit IRC [20:54:26] <h3sp4wn> xvm server 1.0 Release Candidate is due 10th November [20:58:55] <CIA-60> joyce mcintosh <Joyce.McIntosh at Sun dot COM>: 6765313 System panic occurred in smb_node_fini+0x16a() [21:02:33] <Asako> is lustre only for linux? 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Its showing UNSUCCESSFUL and dmesg is saying "Insufficient access" -- which is bunk because I've been adding windows xp boxes to the domain with that user all week [21:36:28] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [21:36:46] <CosmicDJ> shadfc: is your win2003 admin passwd longer than 8 chars? [21:37:02] <shadfc> nope [21:37:04] <tCzern> trying a new CD and I am getting the same error messages [21:37:09] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris [21:37:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [21:37:38] <h3sp4wn> shadfc: And you have followed the documentation right ? [21:38:19] <shadfc> h3sp4wn: trying to. my first use of solaris (open or otherwise) [21:39:22] <h3sp4wn> shadfc: Try running the diagnostic script on the cifs server opensolaris project page [21:39:26] <shadfc> dmesg is also telling me to retry kinit to acquire credentials. when i try that, it complains that it cant resolve the KDC network address. However, nslookup on the KDC hostname specified in krb5.conf is successful and returns the correct address [21:39:32] <shadfc> ok [21:40:17] <h3sp4wn> There is those SVC records (or SVR records I forget also) [21:40:34] <h3sp4wn> shadfc: Are you running Win2k3 R2 ? [21:41:43] <shadfc> h3sp4wn: honestly, not sure. We have a contract with a company to do most of the admin stuff for the windows boxes. Its at least SP2, if not SP3 if thats what you're asking [21:42:03] *** dunc_ has quit IRC [21:42:27] <h3sp4wn> shadfc: There is a part of the R2 release that makes it work alot more easily [21:43:55] *** gottadoit has quit IRC [21:45:02] <h3sp4wn> shadfc: Its called "Microsoft Identity Management for UNIX" when I added that all my problems went away [21:45:10] <shadfc> hmm [21:45:25] <h3sp4wn> But its only with the R2 release unless you can get it seperately [21:45:43] <tCzern> so, what if it cannot find my Hard Disk again, I'll have to give up or are there any bypass options? [21:47:19] *** gottadoit has joined #opensolaris [21:47:48] <h3sp4wn> shadfc: It cannot be the only way as its not mentioned anywhere in the documentation as far as I can see [21:50:41] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [21:53:10] *** gottadoit` has quit IRC [21:53:36] *** ubuntu has quit IRC [21:53:55] *** CIA-60 has quit IRC [21:55:14] <tavis> Can i get a recommendation on a pci-x quad Gb copper card that is supported by opensolaris? [21:55:43] *** zarqman has quit IRC [21:55:58] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [21:58:22] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris [22:02:57] *** zarqman has joined #opensolaris [22:03:37] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [22:04:09] <e^ipi> tavis: http://www.sun.com/products/networking/ethernet/sunquadgigaswift/ [22:04:11] <e^ipi> *shrug* [22:04:43] *** ericjray has quit IRC [22:05:33] *** bigjocker has quit IRC [22:05:56] *** Netwolf has quit IRC [22:05:57] <quasi> I think sun does an nvidia based quad gig-e card as well [22:06:18] <quasi> have a couple of those in a sparc box at $work [22:10:04] *** medar has quit IRC [22:11:12] * tCzern to whom could I report bugs? [22:12:09] <e^ipi> bugs.os.o [22:12:28] *** ali_bb has joined #opensolaris [22:13:44] *** victori_ has quit IRC [22:13:46] <holcomb> nice use of whom. not sure about the /me though. [22:13:53] *** gottadoit has quit IRC [22:14:21] *** alibb has quit IRC [22:14:24] *** james1 has joined #opensolaris [22:14:33] <james1> hello [22:14:43] <james1> i'm happy all are working now [22:16:33] <james1> can i use blastwave in SXCE 101 [22:16:48] <e^ipi> yes [22:16:54] <e^ipi> they have instructions on how to do it [22:17:00] <james1> or is it other stuf better ? [22:17:24] <james1> e^ipi: cause i used opensolaris befor [22:17:39] *** moses has joined #opensolaris [22:17:49] *** alanc has quit IRC [22:17:53] <james1> e^ipi: is there other stuf better then blastwave ?? [22:18:41] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris [22:18:46] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [22:18:47] <e^ipi> better is a relative term [22:19:02] <e^ipi> i'm not a fan of blastwave, i just build my stuff myself [22:19:46] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [22:20:15] <james1> e^ipi: very good , and where can i have SXCE package ? [22:20:22] *** tCzern has quit IRC [22:21:13] *** tCzern has joined #opensolaris [22:21:55] <e^ipi> pardon? [22:22:27] <james1> e^ipi: where can i find solaris package ? [22:23:02] <e^ipi> from the vendor typically [22:23:17] <e^ipi> sunfreeware has some open-sauce stuff [22:23:23] <e^ipi> i just build my own [22:23:24] <james1> e^ipi: you laugh to me again [22:23:42] <e^ipi> no, i told you i build my own software [22:23:55] <e^ipi> take source, build. package, done. [22:24:00] <james1> e^ipi: from code source [22:24:09] <e^ipi> yes [22:24:23] <james1> e^ipi: but it takes long time [22:24:35] <e^ipi> not on my machines it doesn't [22:24:44] <james1> e^ipi: thank you [22:24:51] *** medar has joined #opensolaris [22:25:25] <james1> e^ipi: in opensolaris i used pkg install for install someting , but i don't know how to do that in solaris express [22:25:29] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [22:25:44] *** rtor has quit IRC [22:25:45] <e^ipi> pkgadd [22:25:54] <e^ipi> but you need to download the packages first [22:26:06] *** mathie has joined #opensolaris [22:26:29] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [22:26:31] <james1> e^ipi: ayayaya [22:27:11] <e^ipi> o_O [22:27:38] <james1> e^ipi: sorry about the questions , how can i let my terminal works like opensolaris terminal "tabs" [22:28:02] <e^ipi> ctl-shift-T [22:28:08] <e^ipi> if you mean gterm [22:28:19] <e^ipi> or gnome-terminal or whatever it's called [22:29:12] <james1> e^ipi: thank you it's enaugh , thanks for you help [22:29:44] <james1> e^ipi: i go to work now cause the person who ask lot doesn'tt work a lot [22:30:46] <h3sp4wn> pmpkg looks a nice little system I think I might stop using SFE and just use those patches and pmpkg [22:31:12] *** bhall has quit IRC [22:31:27] <e^ipi> h3sp4wn: it's pretty trivial to build sysv packages [22:31:37] <shadfc> hmm, seems like my kerberos isnt working right. Any ideas on how to debug that? kinit always fails with "Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm while getting initial credentials" [22:31:47] <e^ipi> here, have a blog http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/packages/solaris/sparc/html/creating.solaris.packages.html [22:33:59] *** gottadoit` has joined #opensolaris [22:34:35] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [22:37:01] *** rtor has joined #opensolaris [22:37:46] *** SplasPood has quit IRC [22:37:54] *** SplasPood has joined #OpenSolaris [22:38:12] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris [22:38:22] <h3sp4wn> e^ipi: Easier than I expected - I had heard before that Sun didn't trust people to make sysv packages properly and that was part of the reason for IPS [22:38:56] <e^ipi> you might be referring to scripting [22:39:16] <e^ipi> pre/post scripts can mess up if you're sloppy about it [22:39:46] <trygvis> how can I check that a xen guest is paravirtualized? [22:39:51] <h3sp4wn> oss4 is a right mess currently (at least on indiana) [22:40:11] <h3sp4wn> It hardcodes some postinstall scripts to rerun in the postremove [22:40:16] <e^ipi> trygvis: uname -m [22:40:33] <trygvis> what should I look for when the guest is linux? [22:40:42] <e^ipi> nfi [22:41:08] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris [22:41:49] <james1> e^ipi: i want change /etc/hosts but i cant maybe by su [22:42:35] <h3sp4wn> (directly using e.g /var/sadm/pkg/SUNWaudiohd/save/pspool/SUNWaudiohd/install/postinstall etc) what is the proper thing to do [22:42:52] <e^ipi> trygvis: i think that the kernel is typically named $STUFF-xenU in loonix [22:43:02] <trygvis> k [22:43:43] *** Fish has quit IRC [22:45:33] *** bhall has joined #opensolaris [22:45:52] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris [22:46:08] *** bedlam has quit IRC [22:46:10] *** dunc has quit IRC [22:46:39] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [22:47:32] *** LeftyBSD has quit IRC [22:48:32] <h3sp4wn> trygvis: You can see in the output of virsh dumpxml [22:48:50] <e^ipi> hey, there you go [22:49:04] *** ali_bb has quit IRC [22:49:26] <h3sp4wn> If its using hvm then - <os> [22:49:44] <h3sp4wn> <type>hvm</type> and it references the hvmloader [22:50:33] *** bedlam has joined #opensolaris [22:50:54] <trygvis> it does, but the guest is still very slow [22:51:15] <trygvis> and I though I would see the "svm" processor feature in /proc/cpuinfo [22:51:21] <h3sp4wn> Is it refering hvm ? (without hvm is usually faster) [22:51:27] <tobeya> anybody else using 2008100a w/ iscsi? seems to be broken in that it'll log into the target then log right back out and I/O fails (so far) [22:51:47] <trygvis> h3sp4wn: yes it is: http://rafb.net/p/qzpI0p74.html [22:52:45] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [22:54:03] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [22:54:56] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc [22:54:56] <h3sp4wn> trygvis: This is mine for a sid pv domU - http://rafb.net/p/EGoSPJ31.html [22:55:05] *** mikefut has quit IRC [22:55:20] <trygvis> odd. I did specify linux as os-type [22:55:23] <h3sp4wn> trygvis: I am pretty certain that you don't use qemu for the decent drivers to be used [22:55:23] <kimc> anyone installed opensolaris on an Acer Aspire One? [22:55:28] <trygvis> and debianEtch as variant [22:55:33] *** CIA-58 has joined #opensolaris [22:55:53] *** piwi_ has quit IRC [22:55:55] <trygvis> what image did you use to install it? I used the etch'n'half netinstaller [22:55:57] <h3sp4wn> Is it a 64 bit etch ? (given the dom0 is 64 bit) [22:56:07] <trygvis> uhm, think so. dom0 is 64bit [22:56:27] <h3sp4wn> I used debootstrap on solaris [22:56:28] <e^ipi> shouldn't you be able to take the xenu kernel in to the host environment and then switch it around? [22:56:38] <e^ipi> ( i have no idea, it's a serious question ) [22:56:41] <trygvis> cpuinfo: http://rafb.net/p/NFjZ0Q68.html [22:57:12] *** shadfc has left #opensolaris [22:57:43] <h3sp4wn> e^ipi: Debian does its stuff another way to everyone else I never bothered to fix it - centos uses pygrub [22:58:46] <codestr0m> if crle search /lib/amd64 and /usr/lib/amd64 by default.. why bother with symlinks in /usr/lib/amd64 ? [22:59:04] <h3sp4wn> What does gnu ld do ? [22:59:17] <codestr0m> h3sp4wn: what's gnu ld? [22:59:34] <h3sp4wn> codestr0m: The linker from binutils [22:59:38] <codestr0m> </sarcasm> [23:00:03] <codestr0m> 2) remove ld , nm , ar, as from binutils [23:00:20] <codestr0m> actually as get a symlink to gas [23:00:24] <codestr0m> so that's changed [23:01:07] <e^ipi> codestr0m: what are you trying to do? [23:04:41] <h3sp4wn> Anyway thats by default not having them there would make building stuff with such as stdcxx even more of a pita than it is already [23:04:44] <james1> i have that error when run apache (125)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 [23:04:54] *** zeax_ has joined #opensolaris [23:05:35] <farsan> How normal is it for a fsck to take more the 2h to finnish on a 73GB disk? [23:05:41] *** zeax has quit IRC [23:05:50] <e^ipi> farsan: fsck is dead, long live ZFS. [23:05:55] *** AxeZ has quit IRC [23:06:14] *** Tobbe is now known as Tobbe|autoaway [23:06:21] <farsan> e^ipi: Yepp, we are migrating now [23:06:29] *** mathie has quit IRC [23:06:34] <farsan> e^ipi: and got some old disks with ufs [23:08:06] <Asako> wonder if anything will top zfs [23:08:36] <e^ipi> of course it will [23:09:14] <e^ipi> that's kinna just how technology works [23:10:00] *** wewek has quit IRC [23:11:18] <h3sp4wn> How does it work with regards to having a VM using a zvol as its disk (stacking zfs ontop of zfs doesn't seem sensible) [23:11:44] <e^ipi> all my vm's do that [23:11:50] <e^ipi> though not with zfs on zfs [23:12:21] <e^ipi> when i test stuff, i have a BFU target... shutdown, snapshot, boot, bfu, test, shutdown, rollback and it's as good as new [23:13:00] <h3sp4wn> I would use ufs it was on a zvol [23:13:13] <h3sp4wn> (Possibly just through ignorance) [23:17:50] *** james1 has left #opensolaris [23:21:58] *** Ouroboros has joined #opensolaris [23:22:47] <Ouroboros> under what conditions would there be an ARP request for an IP that is not local according to the netmask? [23:23:28] <bubbva> proxy arp? [23:23:54] <Ouroboros> nope [23:24:13] <Ouroboros> i am seeing this when trying to renew the IP using "ifconfig nge0 dhcp extend" [23:24:22] <Ouroboros> of course the ARP request fails.. [23:24:33] <Ouroboros> (the dhcp server is on some other subnet) [23:27:17] *** hsp has quit IRC [23:27:18] <Asako> hey, does zfs work with stuff like drbd? [23:27:45] <_mary_kate_> isn't drbd a linux thing? [23:27:53] *** yippi has quit IRC [23:28:03] <Asako> hmm, looks like it [23:28:24] <Asako> is there a way to put two zfs servers into a cluster? [23:28:42] <_mary_kate_> Sun Cluster does active/failover with zfs [23:28:46] <sactodave> Asako: you can put two NFS servers in a cluster [23:28:49] <e^ipi> i think solariscluster ( openhacluste r ) has something like that [23:28:56] <e^ipi> yeah, what _mary_kate_ said [23:29:03] <Asako> thanks [23:29:06] <Asako> need to read up on that [23:30:10] <Ouroboros> i think my main problem is that the dhcp server is non-local, so the first tim everything works because it uses 255.255.255.255, but when it tries to renew, it wants to use the actual server address.... the question is why does it try to ARP it? [23:30:12] *** MattMan_ has joined #opensolaris [23:31:45] <_mary_kate_> why does zfs send | ssh zfs recv only recv at 200KB/sec? (it's not ssh, the servers are on the same lan and tar over ssh does several MB/sec) [23:33:03] <Asako> basically I want a network raid 1 [23:33:06] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [23:35:02] *** axisys has quit IRC [23:35:22] *** jgracin has quit IRC [23:35:50] <e^ipi> Asako: iscsi? [23:36:25] *** e1kg has quit IRC [23:36:30] *** rv- has quit IRC [23:37:23] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [23:37:52] *** steff has quit IRC [23:38:54] <Asako> nah [23:39:01] <Asako> like if one san dies the other takes over [23:39:03] *** art-vandelay has joined #opensolaris [23:39:36] <_mary_kate_> use a redundant array and multipathing [23:39:45] *** art-vandelay has quit IRC [23:39:51] *** MattMan has quit IRC [23:40:14] <Asako> yeah, I'm not a storage admin [23:40:27] <Asako> we're trying to build something with just standard hardware [23:41:02] <_mary_kate_> use shared storage (SAS), connect two machines to it and use sun cluster for failover [23:41:34] <Asako> yeah [23:42:08] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [23:42:09] *** LordIllpalazoThe has quit IRC [23:45:06] <Asako> what if each machine has its own storage? [23:45:25] <Ouroboros> anyone have hints on how to further diagnose my DHCP problem? i tried adding a static route the DHCP server--still trying to ARP [23:45:33] <_mary_kate_> you could use AVS, but you'd probably have to write the failover bit yourself [23:45:47] <_mary_kate_> the pool can't be imported on both machines at once, you need to stop the AVS replication and import the pool on the failover machine when required [23:46:06] <Asako> hmm [23:46:41] *** cypromis has quit IRC [23:47:27] *** jrms has quit IRC [23:50:58] <Asako> just seems that I can do exactly what we want with linux [23:52:36] *** cloudnet has joined #opensolaris [23:53:15] *** cloudnet has quit IRC [23:53:23] *** tralala has joined #opensolaris [23:53:48] <kaleb> I did a pkg install SUNWplanner, and after a 80MB download and install, everything seems to be broken, I cannot run pkg again, I get this: ImportError: ld.so.1: python2.4: fatal: relocation error: file /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1: symbol MD5Init: referenced symbol not found [23:54:25] <kaleb> I don't even dare to restart the OS afraid nothing will start. What can I do? [23:57:24] <h3sp4wn> kaleb: It should have made a zfs snapshot prior to doing anything just boot that [23:58:22] <kaleb> h3sp4wn: but I didnt do a image-update, does it still make a snapshot? [23:59:29] <h3sp4wn> kaleb: I was pretty convinced it did but get someone else to confirm it before you do anything [23:59:58] <kaleb> h3sp4wn: Im trying to use beadm list, but it just says core dumped. hmm