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[00:04:37] <accto2> I updated my image with pkg and on reboot I now get: assertion failed: nvlist_lookup_uint64(config, ZPOOL_CONFIG_TXG, &txg) == 0, file ../../common/fs/zfs/spa.c, line: 2280
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[00:12:21] <tomww> topgun17: if you listen the ppl developing both, staroffice and openoffice, they will tell you that in many
[00:13:11] <tomww> places openoffice gets features first. the price to pay for having stable releases with staroffice
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[00:24:22] <cads> is there a solution, commonly used in solaris, for distributing software builds across a few hosts, where each host may be a different platform but the compilation is targeted for a specific platform?
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[00:25:42] <topgun17> Is there a whire shark package for open solaris?
[00:25:59] <cads> hehe, this is not a case of me having done foo on *ux, as I've been looking for only a short time, and solutions to that I've found have been too complicated and not cross platform
[00:26:17] <Stric> cads: rdist can have various dist targets
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[00:30:02] <e^ipi> cads: you mean something like cmake or hatehatehate-automake ?
[00:30:27] <jbit> everybody hates autofoo
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[00:32:25] <Triskelios> topgun17: well, an older ethereal release is in SFE
[00:33:07] <oxygene> autotools are okay. however, most authors of autotools macros aren't (judging by the quality of their.. erm.. output)
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[00:33:52] <e^ipi> cads: maybe i'm not sure what you're trying to do
[00:34:12] <e^ipi> as shite as autobreak is, it can be tricked in to working across platforms
[00:34:30] <Triskelios> topgun17: there was an ARC case for wireshark, so I think it actually integrated into the Sun packages...
[00:35:58] <jbit> e^ipi: ;)
[00:36:21] <cads> e^ipi, cmake looks promising
[00:37:30] <cads> e^ipi, in short I've got my debian box, my laptop and two windows computers that I live with
[00:38:12] <cads> and I'd like to pool their resources to take some stress off my poor laptop while compiling
[00:38:22] <oxygene> so you want distcc?
[00:39:55] <cads> yes, but from what I read it seemed like it would be beyond me to get it working across all the platforms
[00:40:20] <e^ipi> i played around with distcc once, it wasn't bad
[00:40:25] <topgun17> Well i have choosen to stick with opensolaris for good minus the fact that I would have to pay good money to get staroffice.
[00:40:52] <e^ipi> topgun17: or just use the packages  that are on the SXCE cd
[00:41:10] <nachox> doesnt kde has something like distcc too?
[00:41:30] <Triskelios> e^ipi: I can't find wireshark in SXCE, actually. I'm not sure why
[00:42:10] <nachox> icecream :)
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[00:42:27] <topgun17> which disc do i download?
[00:42:49] <e^ipi> the SXCE dvtd
[00:42:51] <e^ipi> *dvd
[00:43:29] <cads> e^ipi, the prospect of getting it to work in windows/cygwin and then building the same version of gcc across all the platforms and configuring it all together seems a bit daunting
[00:43:57] <e^ipi> it's not that bad
[00:44:10] <cads> I guess it's not that bad if I break that into chunks like that
[00:44:13] <e^ipi> use the 3.x tree
[00:44:21] <cads> not 4?
[00:44:24] <e^ipi> 4.x is picky about building cross compilers
[00:45:03] <topgun17> how does one bombined the cddvd segments and lount the immage/
[00:45:11] <e^ipi> it might've changed recently, but last time i tried building GCC4 in to a cross compiler it sucked
[00:45:17] <jbit> e^ipi: early 4.x is fine
[00:45:28] <jbit> they screwed it in 4.3.x iirc
[00:45:38] <Triskelios> topgun17: just cat them together; there's also whole DVD download
[00:46:16] <cads> e^ipi, jbit, thanks for that heads up
[00:46:30] <jbit> you can do it, you just need system headers before you start
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[00:46:35] <jbit> which is a bit fiddly
[00:47:02] <Triskelios> topgun17: but I think the wireshark package is not done yet, so you're better off with the older ethereal
[00:47:47] <e^ipi> as poor as gcc is as a compiler, it is quite portable
[00:48:14] <jbit> e^ipi: it's not THAT bad ;)
[00:48:14] <Triskelios> topgun17: if you just need simple sniffing, snoop is probably already installed
[00:48:33] <jbit> there are definatly better compilers around though
[00:48:43] <nachox> we could do a lot worse than gcc i guess
[00:49:04] <e^ipi> like cc in Unix Time Sharing v7 ?
[00:49:15] <topgun17> What does installing the sunstudio package get me?
[00:49:18] <e^ipi> i guess some attempt at optimization is better than none
[00:49:32] <e^ipi> topgun17: a much better compiler and an IDE of some description
[00:49:48] <cads> I have read about some of the politics going on keeping gcc from being as good as it could, but isn't the open source world kinda stuck with gcc?
[00:49:49] <jbit> does SunStudios c compiler implement c99 fully?
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[00:50:12] <Triskelios> jbit: of course
[00:50:16] <e^ipi> cads: no, not really
[00:50:27] <jbit> Triskelios: i assumed that, but worth checking ;)
[00:50:30] <jbit> some compilers don't
[00:50:36] <jbit> (cough, msvc, cough)
[00:50:39] <e^ipi> cads: studio and icc work on linux, icc on osx, visual C or icc on windows, studio on solaris
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[00:51:45] <e^ipi> if studio goes open, it'll probably push gcc out of the market assuming it can be modified to barf on open-sauce less
[00:52:24] <nachox> you'd also need people willing to port it to other os's
[00:52:32] <jbit> e^ipi: dunno, gcc is prolific because it has support for every arch under the sun
[00:52:49] <Triskelios> e^ipi: I guess he means free-software compilers
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[00:53:26] <Triskelios> e^ipi: a major use of gcc is for platforms studio doesn't support, though
[00:53:34] * nachox nods
[00:53:40] <jbit> llvm is interesting though
[00:54:07] <cads> llvm does look interesting
[00:54:29] <cypromis> gcc is a pain
[00:54:36] <cypromis> and g++ is pain ^2
[00:54:49] <cypromis> while sunstudio libstdc++ is a desaster
[00:54:56] <cypromis> nothing comes without some trouble
[00:55:02] <nachox> that is being dealt with
[00:55:02] <cypromis> but some things come with less trouble than others
[00:55:14] <cypromis> nachox: that is being dealt with for aeons
[00:55:15] 
[00:55:18] <jbit> c++ is a disaster ;)
[00:55:18] <cypromis> ;)
[00:55:32] <cypromis> you can use sfestdlibc++ which basically is the atpache version
[00:55:57] <cypromis> but it doesn't change the fact that caused by some customer force the current stdlibc++ in studio is a desaster
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[00:56:09] <nachox> cypromis, there is a psarc case open to use the apache stdlibc++
[00:56:19] <cypromis> in studio ?
[00:56:30] <nachox> in solaris
[00:56:31] <cypromis> so the psarc case will change the studio teams packages ?
[00:56:35] <cypromis> I somehow doubt that
[00:56:49] <nachox> i believe it will, you're free to read it
[00:57:05] <nachox> although it is a long case, and i think it was derailed
[00:57:21] <cypromis> you can do it already
[00:57:21] <cads> jbit, I read some speculation about the possibility of using automated theorem generators for writing proofs of correctness over llvm programs
[00:57:25] <cypromis> its just a bit of work
[00:58:01] <nachox> do what?
[00:58:01] <jbit> cads: interesting ;)
[00:58:12] <cads> essentially proving your code can't overflow, and such
[00:58:25] <jbit> static analisys
[00:58:40] <jbit> *analysis
[00:58:47] <cads> taken to an extremely over the top level :D
[00:58:52] <jbit> yeah
[00:59:45] <jbit> i guess you need to use fancy markup for your functions though?
[01:02:03] <cads> I dunno, but everything I've ever seen in that direction involved writing truly horrific math proof notation
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[01:02:40] <cypromis> use apache stdlibc++
[01:02:55] <jbit> cads: indeed
[01:03:39] <jbit> when i worked as an embeded dev we had a special compiler that used a super set of c to check for buffer issues and such
[01:04:59] <jbit> so you could do things like "int<-1,0> func(void *buf<cached,size=size>, size_t size);" or so
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[01:06:01] <_setuid_H> Hi all
[01:06:11] <nachox> jbit, and what did that mean? :)
[01:06:33] <jbit> and it'd complain like crazy if you did "void *foo = malloc(10); func(foo, 20);"
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[01:06:54] <jbit> nachox: return value can be -1 or 0, buffer is in cached ram, size of buffer is size argument
[01:07:03] <jbit> i can't remember if that was the exact notation
[01:07:15] <nachox> cool
[01:07:26] <jbit> it was pretty good though
[01:07:32] <_setuid_H> tijo007: Hi
[01:08:03] <nachox> it was preprocessed by something and then passed on to a regular compiler?
[01:08:09] <jbit> nachox: exactly
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[01:08:33] * nachox smells gcc
[01:08:38] <jbit> it just did static analysis on the code, trying to keep track of ranges/etc
[01:08:42] <jbit> nachox: ahaaha, i wish
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[01:08:58] <jbit> was using some crappy m68k compiler
[01:09:10] <jbit> certainly was not gcc
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[01:12:43] <cads> for c-level stuff, I've seen one programming language where proofs could be encoded in the language and were processed by the compiler, but the code looked amazingly ugly
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[01:12:49] <cads> I think it's called ATS
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[01:13:34] <jbit> there are lots of solutions it seems
[01:13:42] <topgun17_> How does one fix this issue http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1245433
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[01:14:01] <acctor> I updated my image with pkg and on reboot I now get: assertion failed: nvlist_lookup_uint64(config, ZPOOL_CONFIG_TXG, &txg) == 0, file ../../common/fs/zfs/spa.c, line: 2280
[01:14:16] <tCzern> hi, would you use OpenSolaris for audio applications. I am trying to find out if Ardour, pr Audacity e.g is available from a repository
[01:14:46] <_setuid_H> topgun17: what repositories do you have? official and blastwave or local?
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[01:21:04] <nrubsig> stevel: is bugs.grommit.com down ?
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[01:23:32] <tCzern> is pkg.opensolaris.org the only repository I can search for software, or are there others?
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[01:24:15] <nrubsig> stevel: never mind, it works again.
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[01:29:58] <topgun17_> How does one fix this issue http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1245433?
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[01:32:39] <TopBunny88>  /win  1
[01:32:48] <TopBunny88>  /win 1
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[01:34:52] <TopBunny88> How does one fix this problem
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[01:35:30] <TopBunny88> How does one fix this problemhttp://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1245433/
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[01:39:07] <tobeya> anybody seen where the ethernet interface (e1000g0) would stop working when doing iscsi I/O (and never come back)?
[01:39:25] <tobeya> this is OS initiator, linux target
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[01:42:53] <Triskelios> TopBunny88: probably a network problem
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[01:43:47] <TopBunny88> tobeya: How do i add addtional rerpositories to the packages manager
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[01:45:10] <tobeya> beats me, haven't tried it myself
[01:46:50] <tCzern> just wondering why I don't get an answer today here, that's not very motivating to install opensolaris :-(
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[01:49:41] <TopBunny88> A little help here? http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1245448
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[01:53:34] <alanc> TopBunny88: are you sure there's an IPS server there?   opening http://pkg.sunfreeware.com in a web browser hangs - if there was a server there you should see a web page in your browser like when you go to pkg.opensolaris.org
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[01:54:24] <alanc> (if there is supposed to be one there, it could just be down right now)
[01:55:59] <TopBunny88> new issue http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1245453
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[01:58:59] <CIA-58> Roger A. Faulkner <Roger.Faulkner at Sun dot COM>: 6767133 exit() is not cancel-safe
[02:01:24] <alanc> TopBunny88: pick a different mirror then
[02:01:30] <TopBunny88> updated the problem  http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1245466
[02:01:48] <TopBunny88> No matter what mirro i choose i get the same error message
[02:01:59] <alanc> blastwave & the CSW project recently went through a messy divorce - I think they each got custody of some mirror sites
[02:03:34] <TopBunny88> If the opensolaris sofware pool would include irssi i wouldn't be having these issues
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[02:06:11] <tobeya> weird thought I saw that in there the other day
[02:06:28] <tobeya> yeah it's in pkg list -a on my 2008100a box
[02:06:38] <tobeya> TopBunny88, pkg list -a |grep irssi
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[02:09:26] <nachox> exit() is not cancel safe?
[02:09:29] <TopBunny88> How do i disable odr un isnstall boltpkg?
[02:10:41] <tobeya> or just pkg install SUNWirssi
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[02:11:20] <lkthomas> guys, how could I resume scp transfer once connection is broken ?
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[02:13:05] <th> lkthomas: rsync can help
[02:13:26] <lkthomas>  rsync -partial -progress -rsh=ssh
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[02:13:32] <lkthomas> rsync: -rsh=ssh: unknown option ?
[02:13:43] <th> lkthomas: rsync -Pe ssh
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[02:13:57] <th> lkthomas: or start long options with --
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[02:14:15] <lkthomas> testing, wait
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[02:50:44] <lkthomas> does chmod run slower than chown ?
[02:52:19] <nachox> time them...
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[02:53:11] <e^ipi> slower? seriously? how often do you run chmod enough that performance is an issue?
[02:53:28] <lkthomas> nevermind
[02:54:08] <Plazma> heh
[02:54:21] <Plazma> of all the things to compare for performance.. i wonder if sunVTS has a tool for that
[02:54:49] <lkthomas> #CONSOLE=/dev/console
[02:54:55] <lkthomas> I did this, but root still can't login
[02:54:58] <lkthomas> via ssh I mean
[02:55:11] <lkthomas> should I restart ssh service to activate it ?
[02:55:28] <cads> I rejoice, for I am ready to boot the open solaris live cd
[02:55:31] <Plazma> why do you want ssh as root??
[02:55:49] <nachox> lkthomas, show us your sshd_config, use pastebin
[02:56:07] <nachox> btw, you dont want to login as root using ssh
[02:56:16] <lkthomas> I see, nevermind
[02:56:18] <lkthomas> no, it's ok
[02:56:23] <nachox> just login as a regular user and then su
[02:56:30] <lkthomas> I am using rsync
[02:56:30] <Plazma> yea.. root login via ssh == terrible
[02:56:40] <Plazma> so? there are ways around it
[02:56:52] <lkthomas> Plazma, try to use chmod but too slow
[02:57:07] <lkthomas> we got millions of files there
[02:57:07] <Plazma> .....
[02:57:14] <Plazma> i think i just died a little inside
[02:57:19] <lkthomas> chmod run forever
[02:57:25] <lkthomas> hey, it is a storage server
[02:57:27] <cads> I have just one question before I leave, and that is, should I consider checking out the Solaris Express community edition? I saw it on the website and was wondering what it's got that makes it spread over 6 cds :)
[02:57:29] <lkthomas> I need to rework on it
[02:57:41] <lkthomas> everytime scrub and it's hang
[02:57:45] <houst0n-> cads: It's .... EVERYTHING
[02:57:56] <Plazma> cads lots of stuff.. EVERYTHING.. and you should only consider it if you want to
[02:58:10] <houst0n-> Unless you're planning on building ON or doing some serious devel i'd skip it
[02:58:25] <houst0n-> it really is huge
[02:58:31] <Plazma> 1 DVD isn't bad
[02:58:36] <Plazma> single layer at that
[02:58:41] <houst0n-> 1 dvd every two weeks
[02:58:46] <Plazma> heh
[02:58:53] <houst0n-> ;)
[02:59:03] <Plazma> i like b99 thus far
[02:59:06] <Plazma> i need to setup an LU slice
[02:59:08] <Plazma> but im lazy
[02:59:16] <houst0n-> you're not using zfs root?
[02:59:36] <Plazma> heh
[02:59:38] <Plazma> UFS > *
[02:59:40] * Plazma ducsk
[02:59:49] <cads> gah, it really is updated every other week
[02:59:59] <houst0n-> I think you're missing out, and lu takes a lot less time with zfs thanks to cloning
[03:00:03] <Plazma> hmm
[03:00:06] <Plazma> houst0n-,  thats a good idea
[03:00:10] <Plazma> and yea i was kidding, mines zfs root
[03:00:11] <lkthomas> guys
[03:00:18] <lkthomas> any improvement for zfs root on b100 ?
[03:00:24] <cads> but the lure of mystical technologies not inluded in the open source version may be too much for me
[03:00:26] <Plazma> lkthomas, no, not in b100
[03:00:32] <lkthomas> Plazma, grrr
[03:00:36] <houst0n-> lkthomas: I've been using it for ages with no problem
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[03:00:42] <houst0n-> Troubles?
[03:00:47] <lkthomas> houst0n-, how could you deal with mirror root ?
[03:00:56] <cads> houst0n-, what is ON?
[03:01:04] <lkthomas> opensolaris
[03:01:14] <houst0n-> cads: It's the kernel, basic commands, net stuff
[03:01:19] <nrubsig> cads: ON means OS/Net , the OpenSolaris kernel + basic commands
[03:01:25] <houst0n-> check out the community page on opensolaris.org
[03:01:31] <lkthomas> houst0n-, slice problem get give me headache
[03:01:31] <Plazma> houst0n-, acutally i need to get wpa_supplican t+ wificonfig to work properly first before i setup LU
[03:01:44] <lkthomas> houst0n-, how could you add a new harddisk to root ?
[03:01:53] <houst0n-> lkthomas: I don't really bother to be honest
[03:02:10] <lkthomas> WHAT?!
[03:02:11] <Plazma> why would you add a lot of storage to your rootdisks anyway
[03:02:14] <lkthomas> you just said you use that
[03:02:19] <houst0n-> I use zfs root
[03:02:21] <lkthomas> Plazma, mirror dude
[03:02:21] <houst0n-> not mirrored
[03:02:24] <lkthomas> I see
[03:02:41] <houst0n-> I assume you're talking about home use
[03:02:50] <Plazma> heh @ 4 disk mirror
[03:02:51] <lkthomas> this is enterprise use :P
[03:02:56] <houst0n-> Because you'd be silly to use sxce/opensolaris in prod
[03:03:10] <houst0n-> You're kidding... whose choice was that?
[03:03:12] <houst0n-> are you crazy?
[03:03:17] <Plazma> ...
[03:03:27] <Plazma> man i have a headache now
[03:03:29] <houst0n-> sxce is a DEVELOPMENT release...
[03:03:31] <lkthomas> what is the problem ?
[03:03:43] <lkthomas> actually
[03:03:43] <houst0n-> It's not tested nearly enough to come anywhere near my farms
[03:03:53] <lkthomas> does it means I need to install solaris 10 ? :P
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[03:03:59] <lkthomas> solaris 10 is free right ?
[03:04:05] <Plazma> lkthomas,  you should really read some of this stuff.. its all on the sites
[03:04:07] <houst0n-> Yes solaris 10 is free
[03:04:13] <Plazma> seriously, it's to your own benefit
[03:04:17] <lkthomas> solaris 10 support zfs lzjb, right ?
[03:04:22] <houst0n-> Really, if you're putting something into an enterprise, go with solaris 10
[03:04:30] <_mary_kate_> lkthomas: and gzip, since U6
[03:04:30] <Plazma> or hire a professional
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[03:04:42] <houst0n-> lkthomas: u6 (came out on the ... 27th?) supports zfs root also
[03:04:51] <houst0n-> Or hire someone with a scsa, yes
[03:04:52] <lkthomas> mm
[03:04:53] <holcomb> <3 zfs root
[03:05:04] <alanc> u6 (s10 10/08) shipped on 10/31
[03:05:07] <lkthomas> I think I will ask my staff to download solaris 10
[03:05:17] <lkthomas> U6 could be download from sun web site
[03:05:19] <lkthomas> hmm
[03:05:49] <lkthomas> any diff to control SXCE and solaris ?
[03:05:57] <houst0n-> solaris 10 is the rock hard, stable (at least, when you set it up properly), uber tested release you should be using on your servers
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[03:06:21] <houst0n-> sxce is for developers working on all the nice new shiny stuff, once it
[03:06:25] <houst0n-> gah crappy keyboard
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[03:06:27] * houst0n- frowns at eeepc
[03:06:36] <houst0n-> you get the idea, though
[03:06:39] * Plazma wonders if houst0n-  has SXCE on the eeepc
[03:06:39] <lkthomas> U6 = 10/08 ?
[03:06:43] <alanc> yes
[03:06:44] <houst0n-> yes
[03:06:46] <abisen> hi i am getting IRQ messages in my dmesg.. how can i analyze it to see if i can solve this conflict and see what devices are those
[03:06:47] <lkthomas> ok, good
[03:06:49] <abisen> unix: [ID 954099 kern.info] NOTICE: IRQ19 is being shared by drivers with different interrupt levels.
[03:06:55] <abisen> This may result in reduced system performance.
[03:07:09] <lkthomas> I assume U6 got similar HCL with opensolaris ?
[03:07:15] <lkthomas> abisen, I got that too, no idea why
[03:07:29] <houst0n-> lkthomas: Less drivers
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[03:07:41] <houst0n-> What kind of kit are you installing it on?
[03:08:00] <abisen> lkthomas, hmm... i don't know what performance i might be comprimizing .. just wanted to know the names of tools that i should be using
[03:08:48] <abisen> houst0n-, GIGABYTE EP45T MB & Intel Core 2 Duo & ATI Raedon no special device
[03:08:59] <lkthomas> houst0n-, but I assume intel board will be support on solaris 10 ?
[03:09:00] <houst0n-> I mean vendor
[03:09:03] <houst0n-> hp, dell?
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[03:10:00] <houst0n-> lkthomas: Check the hcl, there's a very strong probability that everything will *just work*, check beforehand to be sure though - it's a pain getting into a change rq. and finding out you didn't check everything you probably should
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[03:10:03] <abisen> houst0n-, whitebox for my gear
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[03:10:14] <houst0n-> Although perhaps you should have checked what operating system you should be using first
[03:10:19] <houst0n-> :P
[03:10:40] <houst0n-> whitebox? you must have a small company
[03:11:12] <lkthomas> shit
[03:11:19] <lkthomas> why solaris HCL page often load so slow
[03:11:26] <houst0n-> Blame firefox
[03:11:30] <Plazma> ......
[03:12:20] <abisen> houst0n-, this is my desktop that i made as a NAS for my homw network
[03:12:48] <houst0n-> Crap sorry abisen I got you mixed up with lkthomas
[03:13:06] <houst0n-> It's 2:14am here, i have a meeting with three diff TDA's tomorrow re three diff projects
[03:13:11] <houst0n-> so I should probably sleep
[03:13:56] <houst0n-> abisen: Your problem is a common one, it
[03:14:11] <houst0n-> it's answered all over the place, please check the docu first
[03:14:13] <houst0n-> see topic
[03:14:17] <houst0n-> laters folks
[03:14:25] <lkthomas> one question
[03:14:32] <Plazma> cya houst0n-
[03:14:34] <houst0n-> make it quick :P
[03:14:36] <lkthomas> I know sun provide a GUI tool for hardware check
[03:14:58] <houst0n-> It's called sj<something>
[03:14:59] <houst0n-> errm
[03:15:16] <lkthomas> but is there have any command mode hardware compatible checking tools available ?
[03:15:19] <houst0n-> there's a javaws link somewhere
[03:15:28] <houst0n-> there's a bootable disk you can download
[03:15:35] <lkthomas> I want to prtconf from opensolaris machine and check if it support on solaris 10
[03:15:40] <houst0n-> contains a minimal kernel and will give you some details
[03:16:01] <houst0n-> should be a link to it on the hcl page
[03:16:06] <houst0n-> ok i'm out. laters.
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[03:21:29] <qiyong> what does cpr stand for?
[03:21:50] <Plazma> cardio-pluminary resessitation
[03:21:51] <Plazma> i think
[03:22:04] <lkthomas> rsync run so slow, damn
[03:22:31] <qiyong> Plazma: what that means?
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[03:30:09] <qiyong> Cardiopulmonary resuscitation
[03:30:25] <nachox> night all
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[03:30:35] <nrubsig> qiyong: can I eat that ?
[03:31:05] * qiyong hands some pills to nrubsig
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[03:34:00] <nrubsig> qiyong: slab or dried frog pills ?
[03:34:11] <lkthomas> I forget how to use netstat to show interface traffic bandwidth
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[03:34:37] <e^ipi> lkthomas: then it's a good thing it comes with a manual page
[03:34:44] <lkthomas> reading
[03:34:49] <TopBunny88> netstat -e
[03:35:11] <lkthomas> TopBunny88, are you you try to be funny ? :)
[03:36:06] <TopBunny88> netstat -i to get interface statistics, I mixed it up with a windows switch.
[03:36:36] <lkthomas> what I need is mbit per second
[03:36:53] <qiyong> nrubsig: yeah, fine powder
[03:37:18] <e^ipi> lkthomas: then get to reading
[03:37:26] <TopBunny88> lkthomas: man netstat
[03:38:38] * nrubsig starts sniffing qiyong's stuff
[03:38:48] <lkthomas> can't find anything useful , google now
[03:38:52] <Plazma> uhh
[03:38:56] <Plazma> how can you NOT find anythign useful
[03:39:33] <qiyong> nrubsig turns into a zombie
[03:40:01] <lkthomas> I was searching bit, speed on man
[03:40:04] <lkthomas> found nothing
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[03:40:39] <Plazma> ok that's farily annoying
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[03:43:30] <qiyong> wow, magic, see nrubsig and nrubsig_zombie
[03:44:08] <lkthomas> I need one more hints, what keyword should I search on man netstat ?
[03:45:10] <qiyong> nrubsig_zombie: help
[03:45:10] <nrubsig_zombie> Hello, this is shircbot, written in ksh93 (Version M 93t 2008-11-04). Subcommands are 'say hello', 'math <math-expr>', 'stocks', 'uuid', 'date' and 'echo'.
[03:45:37] <qiyong> nrubsig_zombie: date
[03:45:38] <nrubsig_zombie> 2008-11-05, 03:46:57h/CET
[03:46:00] <Plazma> wtf spam
[03:46:32] <nrubsig> Plazma: erm... not spam. This is just demo code for the ksh93-integration update1
[03:46:41] <nrubsig> Plazma: and it will only answer if you _ask_
[03:46:48] <Plazma> hmm...
[03:47:18] <Plazma> ohh
[03:47:26] <Plazma> wierd name for a bot, yo
[03:47:28] <Plazma> but i dig it
[03:47:46] <nrubsig> Plazma: see http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/scripts/shircbot.sh for the code.
[03:48:25] <nrubsig> Plazma: basicall it demos ksh93's support for object-oriented classes
[03:48:25] <Plazma> weee
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[03:51:04] <qiyong> i'd like to have a ruby bot.
[03:51:19] <Plazma> nrubsig ahhh nice
[03:51:44] <lkthomas> ok guys
[03:51:48] <lkthomas> I am running out of idea
[03:51:53] <lkthomas> after checking manual and google
[03:52:05] <lkthomas> how could I display network bandwidth traffic as mbit/sec ?
[03:52:10] <lkthomas> I don't want packet per second!
[03:52:33] <_mary_kate_> lkthomas: get nicstat
[03:52:44] <lkthomas> third party package ?
[03:52:49] <_mary_kate_> yes
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[03:53:10] <lkthomas> is it build by sun ?
[03:53:20] <_mary_kate_> is it on google?  answer: yes
[03:53:31] <lkthomas> found it
[03:53:32] <lkthomas> thanks
[03:53:34] <lkthomas> perl script
[03:53:40] <_mary_kate_> wrong one
[03:53:54] <_mary_kate_> http://blogs.sun.com/timc/entry/nicstat_the_solaris_network_monitoring
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[03:57:34] <lkthomas> thx
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[03:58:38] <lkthomas> will need to test solaris 10 on intel deskboard , hmm
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[04:03:50] <DDevine> Hey, I don't have any experience with Solaris - so can somebody give a handful of reasons why I would chose Solaris over Linux?
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[04:04:25] <lloy0076> Ok, so I added a patch to my Solaris (tm) 10 system and now the X Server is running my LCD at the right resolution HOWEVER the wrong refresh rate.
[04:04:39] <lloy0076> And for the life of me I can't figure out where, in Solaris, one configures it.
[04:05:20] <DDevine> /etc/X11/xorg.conf? lol.
[04:06:31] <_mary_kate_> lloy0076: are you sure it's the wrong refresh or are you looking at xrandr?
[04:06:54] <lloy0076> The monitor comes up with "Out of Range".
[04:07:32] <lloy0076> DDevine: Funnily enough, that file does not exist.
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[04:08:02] <lloy0076> What's "xrandr"?
[04:08:08] <DDevine> Yeah, I've never even seen a Solaris system before :)
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[04:08:57] <lloy0076> DDevine: It is possible the X might look there, but it doesn't exist. I know what patch blew my system up, so I suppose I could unpatch it if i could figure out the right syntax.
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[04:09:31] <e^ipi> DDevine:there's plenty... google dtrace zfs rbac
[04:09:48] <e^ipi> also the matter that solaris was actually put together with thought about how it fits together
[04:09:51] <e^ipi> rather than haphazardly
[04:10:09] <lloy0076> Ok, I'm going to attempt an unpatch.
[04:10:12] <lloy0076> Or a patchrm.
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[04:10:38] <DDevine> e^ipi, Yeah I have heard of those, particularly in reference to file systems (ZFS?).
[04:11:58] <TopBunny88> Any up dates on when svn_1001 is due for release?
[04:12:11] <DDevine> I'll put OpenSolaris in the download Queue I think.
[04:12:16] <_mary_kate_> TopBunny88: 1001?  some time in the year 3000, perhaps
[04:12:30] <_mary_kate_> if you mean 101, SXCE 101 is already out
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[04:14:32] <TopBunny88> _mary_kate_: I can't afford a new dvd Burner to burn the required dvd
[04:16:37] <TopBunny88> Is there a way to patch svn_100a up to sxe 101 or do i have to nuke and reinstall from the media?
[04:16:50] <_mary_kate_> what distribution are you using?
[04:17:10] <TopBunny88> opensoalris svn_100a
[04:17:21] <_mary_kate_> indiana (2008.05)?
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[04:18:18] <TopBunny88> _mary_kate_: isn't indiana the release before svn_100a
[04:18:24] <lloy0076> Well, it appears patchrm worked.
[04:18:28] <_mary_kate_> the release before 100a is 99
[04:18:42] <_mary_kate_> indiana is a distribution of opensolaris which is confusing named "OpenSolaris"
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[04:19:26] <TopBunny88> _mary_kate_: isn't svn_99 the same as 2005.05
[04:19:34] <_mary_kate_> you mean 2008.05?  no
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[04:21:02] <TopBunny88> _mary_kate_: that is correct
[04:21:13] <moazamraja> _mary_kate_: btw, I installed b101 on my laptop, bge0 works perfect now
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[04:25:56] <TopBunny88> is there a way to run Aplle safari under opensolaris?
[04:26:37] <DDevine> i doubt it...
[04:26:54] <e^ipi> you could try starting a project like wine, but for OSX apps
[04:27:01] <e^ipi> good luck with that though
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[04:27:37] <DDevine> TopBunny88, If you use KDE's Konqueror that is pretty much the same.
[04:27:54] <DDevine> I know they look different, but they use the same HTML engine.
[04:29:21] <benley> maybe you could run chrome in wine on solaris :)
[04:29:44] <DDevine> Why would you?
[04:30:06] * DDevine ignores chrome.
[04:30:27] <benley> I'd use it, if only I had a windows box.
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[04:38:19] <DDevine> TopBunny88, http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/03/safari-in-ubunt.html - that uses the Windows version of Safari in WINE.
[04:38:28] <DDevine> How good is the wine support in Solaris?
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[04:40:40] <e^ipi> it's fine
[04:43:01] <TopBunny88> Where  do i put the flash player plugins inorder to use falsh player in firefox?
[04:44:58] <photon_chac> TopBunny88, /usr/lib/firefox/plugins or ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins
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[04:50:22] <Doc> same place it says in the instructions
[04:52:28] <TopBunny88> no script is one of my must have firefox plugins
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[05:08:46] <moazamraja> .....
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[05:10:05] <freetown> hello....how do i get /opt mounted?
[05:10:35] <freetown> after an image-update of opensolaris..../opt ain't mounted anymore
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[05:14:43] <freetown> beadm list gives rpool/ROOT/opensolaris/opt  1.41G  50.7G  1.41G  /tmp/mnt654//opt...is this the reason why i have an empty /opt?
[05:16:15] <freetown> zfs list i mean
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[05:31:54] <TopBunny88> Power To the democratic party
[05:32:34] <TomJ> russia and stuff
[05:33:16] <benley> yeah, russia and shit
[05:36:03] <eryc> long live russia
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[05:57:01] <nrubsig> eryc: long live the ukraine!
[05:59:03] <CIA-58> ying tian - Beijing China <Ying.Tian at Sun dot COM>: 6703522 ahci driver needs to support SATA tape
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[06:30:53] <TopBunny88>  b
[06:31:01] <thomas9> e
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[06:47:35] <fraggeln> does anyone know what version of java that is shipped with nevada 79a? :)
[06:47:57] <fraggeln> I have trouble running some java-apps on my fresh sxce 101, but they worked on 79a, hence the question.
[06:53:00] <moazamraja> fraggeln: just run    java -version
[06:53:02] <moazamraja> and it'll tell u
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[06:54:52] <fraggeln> moazamraja: well, I dont have my old 79a still alive.
[06:55:05] <fraggeln> otherwise it should not have been an issue :)
[06:57:01] <lkthomas> ok
[06:57:11] <lkthomas> our opensolaris server sudden auto reboot
[06:57:18] <lkthomas> how could I check what reason to cause it reboot ?
[06:59:30] <lkthomas> anyone ?
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[07:02:38] <moazamraja> frag; i c..lemme check what i have
[07:02:48] <abisen> is there a way to compact a ZFS volume once it's created by settitng the reservation property later
[07:03:26] <abisen> i had created a volume which uses only 120GB (the volume was created to be of 500G size) i want to compact the utilization so that i can use that space on other file systems
[07:03:51] <moazamraja> fraggeln: I have snv65 and it ran jdk1.5.0_11
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[07:04:15] <fraggeln> moazamraja: i think 79a had one of the earlier version of 1.6, but im not sure.
[07:05:25] <moazamraja> fraggeln: what java error do u have on b101 when running java?
[07:05:56] <fraggeln> moazamraja: no error at all im afraid, the application just hangs.
[07:06:20] <lkthomas> anyone mind to help a bit please?
[07:06:30] <lkthomas> our server auto reboot and I want to know why
[07:07:09] <lkthomas> does solaris do auto reboot when it is on kernel panic ?
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[07:07:49] <moazamraja> fraggin: attach a pstack to the hanging process, etc.
[07:07:55] <lkthomas> moazamraja, any idea ?
[07:08:22] <moazamraja> lkthomas: i believe it can be configured to reboot on crash? but i'm not sure, been a long time since i've had to muck with it at that level
[07:08:42] <lkthomas> is that possible to control it not to reboot once it crashed ?
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[07:12:02] <fraggeln> moazamraja: attach it where? :)
[07:12:12] <lkthomas> e^ipi, you there ?
[07:12:27] <moazamraja> fraggin: to the hanging pid
[07:13:09] <fraggeln> moazamraja: yea, but where do you want the output? :)
[07:13:16] <moazamraja> ahh, i c :)
[07:13:21] <moazamraja> some sort of pastebin ?
[07:13:32] <moazamraja> http://pastebin.com/
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[07:14:12] <fraggeln> moazamraja: http://static.fraggelberget.nu/pstack :=
[07:16:51] <fraggeln> moazamraja: or if you prefer. http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1245659
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[07:18:39] <lkthomas> guys
[07:18:45] <lkthomas> do I have to send the dump log to sun ?
[07:18:55] <lkthomas> can I at least do some basic checking why kernel will be panic ?
[07:19:11] <moazamraja> looking...
[07:19:22] <lkthomas> I saw dump log is in /var/crash/
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[07:19:31] <lkthomas> looking ?!
[07:19:41] <moazamraja> (was talking to fraggeln)
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[07:19:45] <lkthomas> k
[07:19:59] <fraggeln> moazamraja: thanks.
[07:20:09] <lkthomas> ok, no one else is around now
[07:20:13] <lkthomas> shit :(
[07:20:13] <moazamraja> fraggeln: when it's hanging...if u do a   pstack -L      do you see a Java process and thread taking up more CPU?
[07:20:24] <lkthomas> I am going to install solaris 10 to see if reboot still happen
[07:20:45] <fraggeln> moazamraja: it is in a hung state now. the application never starts up correctly.
[07:20:55] <moazamraja> pstack -L
[07:20:56] <moazamraja> ack
[07:20:59] <moazamraja> sorry
[07:21:00] <moazamraja> i meant
[07:21:02] <moazamraja>   prstat -L
[07:21:59] <fraggeln> moazamraja: its idle :/
[07:22:19] <moazamraja> k
[07:22:28] <moazamraja> trying to figure out wtf os::PlatformEvent::park() is
[07:23:09] <fraggeln> dunno, me and java is no friends :)
[07:23:26] <moazamraja> what version of java r u running right now ?
[07:24:41] <fraggeln> bash-3.2$ java -version
[07:24:41] <fraggeln> java version "1.6.0_10"
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[07:27:38] <moazamraja> fraggeln: not sure what's going on..but it looks like the VM itself is not properly starting up
[07:27:56] <moazamraja> trying running your app with Java 1.5 instead
[07:28:04] <fraggeln> moazamraja: yea, i just need to install it :)
[07:29:07] <moazamraja> which app are u running?
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[07:30:40] <fraggeln> moazamraja: Commvault CommCell Gui
[07:31:09] <moazamraja> hrm
[07:31:19] <moazamraja> opensource?
[07:32:01] <fraggeln> moazamraja: no
[07:32:18] <fraggeln> its a gui for commvault galaxy.
[07:33:26] <moazamraja> downloading a java program (non-GUI for my b101 machine)
[07:34:29] <moazamraja> wget http://gregluck.com/blog/thread-test.jar
[07:34:32] <moazamraja> then run:
[07:34:51] <moazamraja> java -Xms1400m -Xmx1400m -jar thread-test.jar 290
[07:42:08] <fraggeln> strange, i have installed java 1.5
[07:42:19] <fraggeln> and if i do java --version it shows up as 1.5
[07:42:31] <fraggeln> but, when i start javaws and checks version under help, it still says 1.6
[07:42:48] <moazamraja> that's different
[07:43:45] <moazamraja> check your path (which javaws)
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[07:43:59] <fraggeln> yea, and it points to my 1.5-dir
[07:44:45] <fraggeln> bash-3.2$ which javaws
[07:44:45] <fraggeln> /usr/bin/javaws
[07:44:45] <fraggeln> bash-3.2$ ls -l /usr/bin/javaws
[07:44:45] <fraggeln> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     other         18 Oct 30 07:31 /usr/bin/javaws -> ../java/bin/javaws
[07:44:48] <fraggeln> bash-3.2$ ls -l /usr/java*
[07:44:51] <fraggeln> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root          15 Nov  5 07:36 /usr/java -> jdk/jdk1.5.0_16
[07:44:53] <fraggeln> see
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[07:53:46] <fraggeln> strange, doesnt work with java 1.5 either.
[07:56:01] <fraggeln> moazamraja: output from your java-script: Thread 279 thread alive and running.
[07:56:04] <fraggeln> Thread 279 activities complete.  Exiting.
[07:56:05] <_coredump_> moinsen
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[07:57:17] <moazamraja> fraggeln: so it's not a java problem per se
[07:57:32] <lkthomas> installing u6 now
[07:57:34] <moazamraja> either a GUI issue, or (what i think), a Java WebStart issue
[07:57:39] <lkthomas> let's hope it wouldn't core dump again
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[07:58:35] <fraggeln> moazamraja: do you have trouble running java-apps that requires access to tcp/ip?
[07:58:48] <fraggeln> im trying to run updatemanager, and i got Caused by: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused
[07:59:51] <fraggeln> and when running sconadm  i get simular problems
[07:59:57] <fraggeln> javax.management.remote.JMXProviderException: Connection refused
[08:00:47] <moazamraja> fraggeln: can't tell as my solaris machine doesnt have a gui (updatemanager requires gui)
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[08:01:38] <fraggeln> moazamraja: sconadm then ? :)
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[08:05:43] <lkthomas> if fresh installed solaris u6 also core dump, this might means the hardware might have some problem
[08:06:00] <moazamraja> ~]$ sconadm register -c
[08:06:00] <moazamraja> Exception in thread "main" java.awt.HeadlessException:
[08:06:00] <moazamraja> No X11 DISPLAY variable was set, but this program performed an operation which requires it.
[08:08:19] <CosmicDJ> moazamraja: try pca if you want to patch your system
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[08:10:47] <Gman> http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/change_has_come_to_america
[08:10:47] <fraggeln> CosmicDJ: not patching, we are trying to solve my java-problems :D
[08:10:48] <Gman> woo!
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[08:11:12] <e^ipi> too bad about prop8 in california though :(
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[08:13:14] <gerard13> hello all, is it normal that luactivate launch "compare" process that take hours? (on a v210)
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[08:23:28] <Gman> e^ipi: yeah, disappointing
[08:23:34] <moazamraja> now change just needs to come to Sun :P
[08:24:07] <Gman> heh
[08:24:58] <lkthomas> Gman, sup
[08:25:17] <lkthomas> I don't understand why I feel opensolaris is not stable at all
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[08:25:47] <Gman> there has been an unfortunate history of bad bugs
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[08:25:58] <Gman> but compared to the amount of change, it's not at all bad
[08:26:05] <fraggeln> moazamraja: im so stupid....
[08:26:18] <fraggeln> moazamraja: im sorry to have taken your time.. I should shoot myself.
[08:26:49] <lkthomas> you mean opensolaris ?
[08:26:56] <fraggeln> moazamraja: my old 79a was using a static ip, my new box uses dhcp, and i have the hostname "unknown".
[08:27:13] <fraggeln> moazamraja: and since unknown is not im /etc/hosts it doesnt work.
[08:27:51] <fraggeln> moazamraja: a quick echo "newhostname" > /etc/nodename and the hostname in /etc/hosts and a quick reboot, and all problems gone :D
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[08:28:29] <codestr0m> good morning
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[08:32:31] <moazamraja> fraggeln: hah! nice :)
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[08:33:09] <fraggeln> moazamraja: no, stupid :)
[08:33:21] <fraggeln> anyway, "problem" is solved now.
[08:33:30] * fraggeln bangs his head against the desk.
[08:35:56] <fraggeln> http://urbanmercury.com/grafx/throwaway/obama-breaker.jpg  im guessing its old by now, but still funny :D
[08:36:16] <moazamraja> heh
[08:36:24] <moazamraja> an amazing day, that's for sure
[08:36:29] <moazamraja> well, sleep time
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[08:37:10] <fraggeln> Im not a us-citizen, but im pretty sure it cant be worse then bush jr :D
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[08:40:00] <Doc> three rice krispies and a jar of peanuts would be better than bush
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[08:43:20] <fraggeln> Doc: :)
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[09:03:20] <DTEIT> morning
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[09:14:46] <cypromis> tomww: alive ?
[09:14:57] <cypromis> warum hast du fuer mhash und mcrypt in SFEW gcc genommen ?
[09:15:04] <cypromis> augenblicke von umnachtung ?
[09:15:14] <cypromis> und ganz untypisch fuer dich keine 64bit versionen der libs ?
[09:15:21] <tomww> hey
[09:15:27] <cypromis> sorry that was for -de
[09:15:27] <cypromis> lol
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[09:17:59] <lkthomas> guys
[09:18:08] <lkthomas> how could I move solaris from one HDD to another one ?
[09:18:57] <lkthomas> http://www.riddleware.com/solx86/SCSI_change.html
[09:18:59] <lkthomas> would this worls ?
[09:19:02] <lkthomas> works
[09:19:09] <eirikb> lkthomas: dd?
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[09:19:26] <lkthomas> but I am going to move from 500GB HDD to 250GB HDD, does dd works ?
[09:20:22] <Doc> sure
[09:20:31] <eirikb> Hmmmm, if the fragments are copyed directly, I guess no. But if it just copy the data, and you are using less then 250GB-sure
[09:20:43] <Doc> although you might have trouble accessing the the 2nd half of the disk afterwards
[09:20:56] <lkthomas> Doc, what do you mean
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[09:21:09] <Doc> although at least it will think the 250Gb is a 500GB because it'll copy over the partition table/etc
[09:21:10] <lkthomas> eirikb, dd is sector copy tools, isn't it ?
[09:21:27] <Doc> how many sectors do you think are on your 500GB disk?
[09:21:32] <Doc> how many sectors do you think are on your 250GB disk?
[09:21:35] <lkthomas> don't know
[09:21:38] <eirikb> lkthomas: I think so
[09:21:45] <Doc> (if you dont know the exact numbers, approximate ratios will do fine)
[09:21:58] <lkthomas> is there have any simple method to deal with it ?
[09:22:08] <Doc> perhaps dd | compress  ?
[09:22:43] <Doc> presuming it's UFS, you probably want to go read about ufsdump
[09:22:47] <Doc> google is your friend
[09:22:51] <lkthomas> it's zfs, hmm
[09:22:57] <Triskelios> yeah, dd is the wrong way if you have a filesystem
[09:23:13] <Triskelios> lkthomas: zfs send
[09:23:30] <lkthomas> Triskelios, does it "send" boot sector as well ?
[09:23:40] <lkthomas> or I need to modify grub ?
[09:23:54] <Triskelios> lkthomas: reinstalling grub is trivial
[09:24:12] <eirikb> lkthomas: You could make a small partition for grub?
[09:24:24] <lkthomas> let's do this
[09:24:32] <Triskelios> eirikb: not necessary
[09:24:37] <lkthomas> zfs send all important file to another hdd first
[09:24:43] <lkthomas> then try to use manual boot from grub
[09:24:47] <lkthomas> if the hdd could boot up
[09:24:58] <lkthomas> then install grub to another hdd
[09:25:41] <Triskelios> I don't see why you can't just copy everything at once and readd grub to the boot sector with installgrub
[09:25:57] <lkthomas> do I need to modify vfstab ?
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[09:26:57] <Triskelios> lkthomas: none of the zfs filesystems are listed in vfstab
[09:28:20] <Triskelios> lkthomas: you may have to edit /boot/solaris/bootenv.rc and remove the fixed bootpath if present
[09:32:41] <CosmicDJ> I'm sure you cant just dd a zfs fs unless the harddisks are 100 % the same...
[09:33:07] <eirikb> Yeah I think so to
[09:34:11] <CosmicDJ> hm what about using liveupgrade? it'll copy all your stuff to your new disk...
[09:38:13] <lkthomas> really ?
[09:38:14] <lkthomas> hmm
[09:39:50] <Triskelios> CosmicDJ: does LU work if you're installing to a second pool?
[09:40:41] <Triskelios> lkthomas: anyway, copying the whole filesystem is pretty simple, so why not just do that?
[09:42:45] <CosmicDJ> Triskelios: if he's booting from zfs, he'll have to fdisk/format etc. it first...
[09:44:13] <Triskelios> CosmicDJ: he'll have to do that anyway
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[09:51:35] <CosmicDJ> if it's just a "data-pool", a zpool create c?t?d? would be sufficient...
[09:52:51] <Triskelios> CosmicDJ: that's irrelevant, since he's now specified that this is a bootable filesystem
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[09:54:08] <Triskelios> lkthomas: actually, you could add the disk as a mirror (see zpool attach) and make it bootable as in http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/zfsbootFAQ/#mirrorboot (which is similar to the procedure if you just did a manual copy). then just break the mirror
[09:54:21] <lkthomas> Triskelios, it is not that easy
[09:54:34] <Triskelios> lkthomas: sure it is, I've done it before
[09:54:47] <lkthomas> slice problem give me headache
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[09:54:57] <lkthomas> you have to partition two hdd in same way
[09:55:07] <lkthomas> and copy boot sector from one hdd to another
[09:55:15] <lkthomas> this part kills me already
[09:55:18] <Triskelios> lkthomas: neither of those statements are true
[09:55:29] <lkthomas> at least not work here
[09:55:36] <lkthomas> we test it already
[09:55:45] <lkthomas> also, we are running solaris 10 now
[09:55:52] <lkthomas> I don't think it support zfs mirror for root disk yet
[09:56:17] <Triskelios> lkthomas: zfs doesn't care about the partition layout as long as you have a standard root slice. you create a new boot sector with the normal tools
[09:56:40] <lkthomas> HOW to have a standard root slice ?
[09:56:48] <lkthomas> there is no clear guideline to tell me how to deal with that
[09:57:27] <Triskelios> lkthomas: you run format and add a slice
[09:57:31] <Triskelios> that's ALL
[09:57:41] <lkthomas> ok, HOW to add a slice ?
[09:57:45] <lkthomas> I did messed up on it
[09:57:54] <Triskelios> go into the partitions menu, edit slice 0, call it root
[09:58:15] <lkthomas> and ?
[09:58:22] <Triskelios> this is part of every solaris partitioning doc I can remember
[09:58:23] <lkthomas> LOL
[09:58:28] <lkthomas> nevermind man
[09:58:36] <lkthomas> that 250GB hard disk can not detect from solaris 10
[09:59:20] <Triskelios> solaris 10 also doesn't use zfs root, so I don't know what you're doing here
[09:59:29] <CosmicDJ> Triskelios: u6 does
[09:59:30] <lkthomas> u6 does
[09:59:45] <Triskelios> or is that 10/08?
[09:59:49] <Triskelios> oh
[10:01:35] <quasi> 10/08 = u6
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[10:01:47] <Triskelios> yeah, just realised that
[10:02:06] <quasi> and it was released friday last week
[10:05:54] <CosmicDJ> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hubs/documentation/howto/index.jsp
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[10:58:43] <MrData_> good morning
[10:59:07] <sickness> morning all :)
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[11:00:54] <tynar> I want to know the disk usage statistics like df -h "path". which functions are used?
[11:01:29] <MrData_> du -h /path
[11:01:45] <tynar> i have looked at statvfs, is there any other function?
[11:01:51] <tynar> easier
[11:02:02] <codestr0m> tynar: MrData_ ^
[11:02:23] <tynar> MrData_ codestr0m, in C
[11:02:57] <CosmicDJ> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/du/du.c
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[11:03:31] <tynar> CosmicDJ, thx
[11:04:58] <tynar> but it seems like, df is much easier than du, i will look further to read the blocks
[11:05:03] <tynar> info
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[11:07:44] <trusiad> Hi everyone
[11:08:00] <trusiad> I'm a bit confused about marvell network cards.
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[11:08:17] <trusiad> I've just got a dell inspirion 1525.
[11:08:20] <cypromis> sunsource.net is down
[11:08:56] <tynar> all i know, marvell has produced good movies
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[11:10:02] <CosmicDJ> comics...
[11:11:15] <Stric> tynar: statvfs() is what you want
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[11:12:52] <trusiad> Used to run netbsd, but this network card isn't supported
[11:13:22] <trusiad> so, that's why I am confused :
[11:13:36] <tynar> Stric, hi, and tnx, I was looking at it's functions, like get mount point, avail free space,
[11:13:57] <trusiad> this page ( http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/index.html ) says 88E8040 isn't supported
[11:14:17] <trusiad> this page ( http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/laptop-discuss/2008-May/010456.html ) says it is
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[11:22:24] <trusiad> anyone using an inspiron 1525 here ?
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[11:25:55] <MrData_> someone knows how to debug a zfs? I get chksum errors for a raidlun that definiely has no errors
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[11:32:42] <CosmicDJ> why don't you just let zfs' self healing to its job? ;)
[11:32:51] <CosmicDJ> s/to/do/
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[11:46:58] <MrData_> CosmicDJ: cause it seems to be an zfs internal issue. Not hardware related
[11:47:47] <MrData_> i get chksum errors from zfs, but the md5-fingerprint of the (only) file in the zfs is still original
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[11:48:57] <MrData_> everything (including raid controller) is ecc and dual-redundant
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[12:35:39] <tynar> what will be the correct converting from block to mb?
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[12:36:23] <_mary_kate_> how large are your blocks?
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[12:37:26] <tynar> i am getting that from struct statvfs->f_bsize
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[12:46:22] <tynar> _mary_kate_ , my formula "space in mb = blocksize * total number of blocks / (1024*1024)" is correct ?
[12:47:47] <eirikb> tynar: Is blocksize in bytes?
[12:49:01] <cypromis> default on UFS would be 8kb/block, no ?
[12:49:16] <tynar> eirikb, I don't know, i am getting that from statvfs, but i am making something wrong
[12:49:16] * cypromis tries to remember some info that is now useless sicne he doesn't have even one UFS
[12:49:37] <eirikb> If cypromis is right, then your forula would be worong, right?
[12:49:49] <tynar> cypromis, blocksize is 8192
[12:50:02] <cypromis> df -g | grep 'block size'
[12:50:06] <eirikb> tynar: Isn't that 8kb
[12:50:07] <cypromis> or
[12:50:29] <cypromis> fstyp -v <device>
[12:50:30] <cypromis> should help
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[12:52:31] <eirikb> Not important: 1 mb is 1000 bytes, not 1024. 1024 bytes is 1 MiB :)
[12:53:00] <_mary_kate_> actually, 1mb would be 0.0001 bytes
[12:53:03] <cypromis> hide, windows people talking about disk sizes
[12:53:16] <eirikb> 1 000 000
[12:53:18] <eirikb> blah
[12:53:39] <eirikb> Point is, mebibyte = 1000 kebibyte = 1 byte (can't remember the correct names tho)
[12:54:04] <cypromis> maybebyte
[12:54:40] <eirikb> And that was supose to be 1024. As in megabyte is 1000 kilobytes is 1000 bytes.
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[12:55:29] <cypromis> MB, Mb or mb ?
[12:55:53] <eirikb> That I would have to check with wikipedia about :P
[12:55:57] <cypromis> 1 Mb = 128 KB
[12:56:49] <cypromis> nd 1 MB = 1024 KB = 1024 * 1024 bytes = 1924 * 1024 * 8 bits
[12:56:56] <cypromis> hmm I should learn to type
[12:56:58] <cypromis> 1024 of course
[12:57:03] <cypromis> not 1924
[12:57:16] <eirikb> MiB*
[12:57:19] <cypromis> 1 MSb = 1000 MSKB
[12:57:27] <tynar> hey
[12:57:43] <cypromis> Microsoftbyte
[12:57:56] <eirikb> Hehe
[12:58:10] <eirikb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiB
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[13:04:45] <tynar> eirekb, could you look at http://pastebin.com/m1427de53, the code does not work correctly, I don't understand why
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[13:16:26] <CosmicDJ> looks like your calculations are wrong
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[13:17:40] <Stric> tynar: use the correct block size, as explained in the man page.. don't just use any random block size you found
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[13:22:16] <tynar> Stric:  will ' f_bsize* f_bfree / 1024 ' give me a free space in kbyte?
[13:23:01] <Stric> tynar: I recommend that you actually read the comments in the structure definition
[13:23:09] <Stric>      fsblkcnt_t  f_blocks;            /* total # of blocks on file system
[13:23:09] <Stric>                                          in units of f_frsize */
[13:23:17] <Stric> it does not say "in units of f_bsize"
[13:23:39] <simonmenard> hi is there anyone that can explain me what is opensolaris in comparaison to OS X from apple all the BSD and Unix systems?
[13:24:03] <_mary_kate_> simonmenard: System V
[13:24:04] <Stric> simonmenard: OSX is BSD, opensolaris is mostly SysV
[13:24:23] <MrData_> os x is not bsd
[13:24:30] <simonmenard> Sys V is a type of OS ?
[13:24:40] <_mary_kate_> simonmenard: BSD and System V are the two major branches of Unix
[13:24:43] <Stric> MrData_: It sure is. Based on the FreeBSD kernel
[13:24:46] <Stric> with BSD userland
[13:24:48] <_mary_kate_> Stric: no, Mach kernel
[13:24:49] <simonmenard> as you can see in that area im a kind of n00b
[13:24:52] <_mary_kate_> with BSD userland
[13:25:13] <Stric> simonmenard: an OS family or so to say
[13:25:25] <Stric> simonmenard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_V
[13:25:40] <simonmenard> what are other member of the SystemV branch then ?
[13:25:45] <Stric> see url
[13:25:47] <simonmenard> ty Stric
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[13:29:27] <cypromis> if it would have a freebsd based kernel the threading would be much faster
[13:32:53] <CosmicDJ> I'd rather like to see OS X with an (open)solaris kernel.. but then we wouldn't need indiana, right ;)
[13:33:57] <oxygene> creating a clean split between the unix part and the gui part might be sensible
[13:34:14] <hrist> I wouldn't care if I just could use zfs-root, on linux, xBSD, whatever...
[13:34:42] <oxygene> freebsd works on a port, so there...
[13:34:52] <hrist> which isn't done yet ;)
[13:35:16] <hrist> are there plans to port zfs to windows? *eg*
[13:35:17] <simonmenard> apparently ZFS support for linux is coming soon
[13:35:27] <simonmenard> though the question is how soon though ..hehe
[13:35:41] <gothos> simonmenard: in kernel!?
[13:35:42] <_mary_kate_> linux don't want zfs, they're writing their own version (btrfs)
[13:35:50] <hrist> zfs-fuse works quite well, but I doubt I can boot from a filesystem relying on fuse ;)
[13:35:58] <_mary_kate_> (well, they might want it, but they can't have it ;)
[13:36:04] <Stric> hrist: why not? initrd/miniroot first..
[13:36:21] <hrist> Stric: this isn't ubuntu-user friendly :P
[13:36:28] <simonmenard> _mary_kate_:  a good base of user want it cause it is suppose to be stupidity proof as i hear
[13:36:30] <hrist> and too much work for me...
[13:36:56] <gothos> fuse sucks performance wise anyway
[13:37:20] <simonmenard> hrist:  anyway ubuntu is a big peace of shit ..
[13:37:32] <simonmenard> only if their users knew whats under the hood
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[13:37:55] <simonmenard> and what it is based on ..(a unstable branch of a good system)
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[13:38:14] <_mary_kate_> this is not the right forum for bashing linux distributions you don't like
[13:38:19] <Stric> simonmenard: quit the bullshit please
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[13:38:52] <CosmicDJ> I like ubuntu /me hides...
[13:39:03] <simonmenard> ok..it's just i ran into problem with it ..
[13:39:08] <simonmenard> im sorry
[13:39:22] <CosmicDJ> simonmenard: maybe the problem is in front of the computer :-p
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[13:39:41] <Stric> I like Ubuntu too... It's good for various tasks.. And much better than Opensolaris for some.. Just like Windows is better at some tasks.. Just use the correct tool for the task and quit bullshitting the rest
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[13:40:09] <simonmenard> i don't think so ..though i gotta say i had problem with their server edition since my interest into linux is for my server
[13:40:14] <_mary_kate_> Stric: now someone is going to point out that they run Solaris on the desktop, so it must be good for everyone
[13:40:17] <_setuid_H> Afternoon all
[13:40:29] <Stric> _mary_kate_: right.
[13:40:54] <simonmenard> Stric:  i agree with you on that point
[13:40:59] <cypromis> doesn't everbody work on a 3270 terminal and red EBCDIC fluently ?
[13:41:07] <brianski> hrm. i plopped a hd from a sparc system into my x86 os vm, and it can't see the drives (a linux box can see them, but can't mount them cuz they need a fsck) -- there must be some way??
[13:41:21] <SYS64738> why with zfs list I don't see snapshots ?
[13:41:21] <Stric> brianski: UFS or ZFS?
[13:41:28] <brianski> Stric: ufs
[13:41:33] <simonmenard> i'm staff member for a windows community and I hate when ppl say linux sucks or the same with OSX and they never tried it ..
[13:42:01] <Stric> brianski: tough. UFS is endian-specific.
[13:42:18] <brianski> Stric: shocking
[13:42:23] <Stric> simonmenard: so why the fsck are you saying that ubuntu sucks
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[13:42:43] <brianski> there's no compatibility mode for mounting old ufs disks??
[13:43:06] <Stric> brianski: put it in a sparc machine, then copy the data over to another machine..
[13:43:08] <simonmenard> read ...because i got bad experiences with it :P
[13:43:22] <brianski> Stric: my only sparc machine is dead, hence the problem :-/
[13:43:54] * brianski wonders if there is a sparc emulator that can boot solaris (qemu can't)
[13:43:55] <coolvibe> mornin'
[13:44:10] <simonmenard> well in fact it's not all that bad it is a good solution for a ne wlinux user that want a desktop ...but for my server i want a system that is strong
[13:44:20] <Stric> brianski: ZFS can handle being tossed between x86/sparc, but UFS cannot.. it's not part of the (quite old) design..
[13:44:34] <coolvibe> ah, endianness issues
[13:44:55] <brianski> yeah, i'm just surprised. x86 solaris boxen came way before zfs!
[13:45:18] <brianski> anyone have ideas on a sparc emulator?
[13:45:29] <coolvibe> Stric: isn't the current UFS endian-neutral?
[13:45:30] <_mary_kate_> brianski: you should be able to mount it on linux even if it needs fscking.. did you use -oufstype=sun,ro?
[13:45:49] <Stric> coolvibe: not afaik
[13:45:51] <brianski> _mary_kate_: yes, and mount replied - can't mount, needs fsck, or something like that
[13:46:04] <coolvibe> brianski: even if you mount ro?
[13:46:05] <Stric> and if you do fsck, then you toast it
[13:46:14] <brianski> coolvibe: yeap
[13:46:21] <_mary_kate_> coolvibe: not even ZFS is endian neutral... it just byte swaps on the fly
[13:46:22] <simonmenard> eh Stric  what are the advantages to run opensolaris over slackware or DEbian ?
[13:46:32] <coolvibe> _mary_kate_: that I didn't know
[13:46:51] <coolvibe> hm... dd can byteswap :)
[13:46:54] <Stric> simonmenard: depends on what you are trying to do..
[13:46:55] <_mary_kate_> it's actually not a bad way of doing it, it means you get good performance on the 'native' arch (no swapping)
[13:46:57] <oxygene> simonmenard: none, like everything else, they suck
[13:47:03] <_mary_kate_> rather than mandating, say, big endian, which would make it slower on x86
[13:47:08] <Stric> coolvibe: feel like byteswapping all structs?
[13:47:16] <oxygene> coolvibe: but not selectively, I guess ;)
[13:47:21] <coolvibe> :)
[13:47:57] <brianski> _mary_kate_: which was helpful back in the good ol' days when byte swapping was a significant cost compared to disk io? ;-)
[13:48:06] <simonmenard> Stric:  well i ahve a server that im using as webserver, domain server for my network and as fileserver too
[13:48:08] <coolvibe> I'm not suggesting that brianski should attack his disk with dd, let's keep that clear =)
[13:48:43] <Stric> simonmenard: for dns and web it doesn't matter, it's the exact same software.. for file serving you might have an advantage with zfs/nfs..
[13:48:55] <brianski> hmm mebbe i'll have better luck with a bsd than with linux for mounting this puppy
[13:49:06] <simonmenard> ok
[13:49:09] <Stric> brianski: you will have the endian problem anyway
[13:49:13] <coolvibe> zfs rocks wrt filesharing... setting up cifs/nfs/iscsi never was so easy
[13:49:15] <Stric> brianski: you need a big endian machine
[13:49:24] <simonmenard> i was running XFS on ubuntu server
[13:49:35] <Stric> coolvibe: also.. ZFS sucks wrt fileshareing.. setting up NFS is a real pain in the ass.
[13:49:47] <Stric> I have about 3000 filesystems right now and it's no joy.
[13:49:50] <brianski> Stric: don't think so - linux at least claims it can mount ufs regardless of endianness if you give it the right mount time option. the problem for me is that the disks aren't clean
[13:49:52] <coolvibe> Stric: really? never had problems
[13:49:58] <Stric> coolvibe: try with 3000 users
[13:50:03] <Stric> not 1 filesystem
[13:50:03] <coolvibe> well, i don't export *that* much, no :P
[13:50:12] <Stric> and since ZFS only has quota per filesystem...
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[13:50:24] <coolvibe> Stric: quota doesn't inherit?
[13:50:27] <Stric> if there had been old style BSD quotas, then there would have much less pain
[13:50:37] <Stric> coolvibe: I need to NFS mount 3000 filesystems on 100 machines
[13:50:47] <coolvibe> damn
[13:50:51] <CosmicDJ> Stric: IIRC NetbSD's FFS can be compiled with FFS_EI (endian independent or smth like that)
[13:50:52] <Stric> just 'zfs share -a' takes 10-15 minutes
[13:51:03] <Stric> CosmicDJ: that's still not Solaris UFS
[13:51:18] <coolvibe> Stric: isn't that more a limitation of the NFS support of solaris in stead of ZFS?
[13:51:32] <Stric> coolvibe: BSD Quotas has been supported over NFS for ages
[13:51:39] <Stric> ZFS just has a different design
[13:51:55] <oxygene> well, but there seem to be scalability issues with exporting 3000 filesystems
[13:52:11] <coolvibe> yeah
[13:52:27] <coolvibe> I use NFS extensively, but not like that :P
[13:52:30] <Stric> there is.. and since I'm having enough trouble with 3000 filesystems, there are people who want 10-100x more
[13:52:38] <Stric> "Good luck"
[13:53:31] <coolvibe> did you submit it as a defect? maybe someone could work on that
[13:53:36] <_mary_kate_> i never bought the hype about thousands of ZFS filesystems
[13:53:44] <_mary_kate_> hundreds, perhaps, but i think i'll avoid thousands ;)
[13:53:59] <coolvibe> I might have thousands of snapshots
[13:54:24] <simonmenard> Stric:  so the only diff between linux system and opensolaris is for the choice of the FileSystem?
[13:54:53] <oxygene> simonmenard: various other things, too. but if you're already considering linux, they probably don't matter to you
[13:54:54] <coolvibe> simonmenard: and DTrace of course
[13:55:05] <coolvibe> DTrace seriously pwns
[13:55:42] <coolvibe> I like solaris for developing stuff, Sun makes a good compiler
[13:55:52] <jbit> solaris' management toosl are seriously underrated too imho
[13:56:01] <coolvibe> true
[13:56:22] <coolvibe> whatever you want to do, there's probably some *adm tool to do it
[13:56:25] <coolvibe> :)
[13:56:36] <jbit> zfs set sharesmb=myshare mypool
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[13:56:42] <jbit> was quite amazed when that worked :)
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[13:57:05] <coolvibe> jbit: try messing with iscsi and be even more surprised
[13:57:07] <jbit> when i first saw it, i was thinking that i had to do that, and then edit some files, and then hup something...
[13:57:11] <jbit> coolvibe: did that over the weekend :)
[13:57:25] <coolvibe> works like a charm
[13:57:29] <jbit> yup
[13:57:46] <jbit> i just installed the packages, did shareiscsi=on, and it worked
[13:57:47] <coolvibe> some people with macs here use iscsi for timemachine
[13:58:03] <coolvibe> iscsi is served from a thumper in the network :)
[13:58:12] <jbit> i'm going to use it for my laptops boot drive i think :)
[13:58:20] <coolvibe> nice
[13:58:35] <jbit> since accessing my array over the network is faster than its internal hdd :)
[13:58:42] <coolvibe> lol
[13:58:43] <jbit> and around the same latency...
[13:59:00] <jbit> well array is about 80mbyte/sec, internal hdd is about 30-40mbyte/sec
[13:59:18] <coolvibe> I put b101 on my laptop yesterday, only thing that doesn't really work is ad-hoc mode for my intel 3945ABG wireless card
[13:59:30] <jbit> i think i'll run linux on my laptop though
[13:59:40] <jbit> i have too much random hardware which i doubt has solaris support
[14:00:08] <coolvibe> jbit: well, you could burn an Indiana disc and run that device driver utility thingamajig
[14:00:16] <jbit> indeed
[14:00:21] <coolvibe> then you can see what's supported or not
[14:00:22] <DTEIT> sorry...one thing....does anyone know the status of opensource sam-qfs?
[14:00:23] <brianski> jbit: you might be pleasantly surprised by 2008.05's hardware support. i know i was
[14:00:34] <jbit> well, i know the laptops hardware will be fully supported
[14:00:47] <jbit> but i have a bunch of usb devices that i doubt will be
[14:00:58] <coolvibe> I only miss adhoc mode for my wpi card, everything else works great
[14:01:00] <jbit> but definatly should check i think :)
[14:01:08] <CosmicDJ> DTEIT: what status?
[14:01:25] * coolvibe has a Dell Latitude D520, nice machine
[14:01:42] <coolvibe> Maybe I should submit the thing to the HCL or something
[14:01:43] <DTEIT> CosmicDJ: if for example they released a package
[14:01:54] * jbit has a centrino2 laptop or so
[14:02:15] <CosmicDJ> DTEIT: well it wouldn't be useable because they couldn't opensource everything..
[14:02:23] <jbit> ah, centrino duo :)
[14:02:48] <jbit> pretty sure all the hardware inside it is intel, so should have decent support in any OS
[14:02:55] <coolvibe> I took the core 2 duo option
[14:02:57] <DTEIT> CosmicDJ: ah...so it'll be not as the original one
[14:03:09] <coolvibe> yep
[14:03:12] <coolvibe> mostly intel
[14:03:42] <jbit> well intel gpu, intel hd audio, intel wireless, intel network, intel cpu, intel north bridge.. ;)
[14:03:49] <coolvibe> :)
[14:04:09] <coolvibe> the bluetooth adapter that is built in might not be intel :)
[14:04:17] <CosmicDJ> DTEIT: like solaris <-> sxce...
[14:04:28] <CosmicDJ> s/sxce/opensolaris/
[14:04:31] <jbit> i don't think i've ever used bluetooth on my laptop
[14:04:37] <coolvibe> ethernet is bfe, I need a third party driver for that
[14:04:47] <codestr0m> bluetooth support needs merging for opensolaris
[14:04:59] <codestr0m> there's gates and work on it, but not sure where it ever got left off
[14:05:02] <coolvibe> well, when it was running Linux I used to tether it to my phone if there was no wifi around
[14:05:24] <brianski> jbit: i never used bluetooth until my darn phone required me to (the usb port is only usable for power - how stupid is that?!)
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[14:05:29] <DTEIT> CosmicDJ: thanks...anyway i see it'll take some time :-)
[14:05:44] <coolvibe> codestr0m: it's the NetBSD BT stack, right? I wonder if it can get Bluez-compat
[14:05:49] <jbit> doesn't seem to be any gma965 support
[14:05:57] <DTEIT> another thing....do you use some kind of network/host monitoring like nagios on open/solaris?
[14:06:02] <CosmicDJ> DTEIT: the old, closed source sam-qfs is a free download AFIAK
[14:06:20] <codestr0m> coolvibe: if you're honestly interested in merging it (which shouldn't be that* hard) pm me and I'll see if I can help
[14:06:21] <jbit> err.. never mind being an idiot since that'll just be an x.org driver :)
[14:06:25] <DTEIT> CosmicDJ: is it also free usable? :-)
[14:07:20] <coolvibe> codestr0m: would that entail rebuilding everything? Or does it have its own tree and such?
[14:07:51] <coolvibe> I do some developing, but I never messed with solaris source
[14:08:03] <CosmicDJ> DTEIT: check their license agreement...
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[14:09:16] <DTEIT> ok...i'll see..thanks
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[14:13:17] <jbit> hah, holy crap, i just turned around in my desk and some guy is standing with a gun to my head
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[14:14:09] <jbit> (not a real one, but still)
[14:16:19] <CosmicDJ> and now your pants are wet? :p
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[14:19:53] <jbit> now that you mention it.... :P
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[14:52:31] <Michael4> I hope this does not sound dumb.. But some one told me that the next build of  OpenSolaris comes out in 2008.11, but here's the thing. How many days is that from today.. of 11/5
[14:52:32] <Michael4> ?
[14:52:52] <sickness> good question
[14:52:56] <sickness> I second that :)
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[14:53:19] <hrist> 2008/11/30 is my guess :P
[14:53:49] <sickness> 2008/11/32 :P
[14:53:50] <sickness> ghgh
[14:53:51] <timsf> 23:59 in Guam.
[14:53:53] <Michael4> ok.. So do you mean 30/11/2008?
[14:54:05] <Michael4> whew!~
[14:54:06] <Michael4> lol
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[14:54:11] <oxygene> 2008-11-30, or before
[14:54:22] <oxygene> ;)
[14:55:02] <Michael4> Because I'm aiming to move over full to  OpenSolaris from windows..
[14:55:14] <Michael4> For all I do is surf, and Email
[14:55:14] <sickness> let's do 35/11/2008, fair enough.
[14:55:26] <Michael4> hey!~ Thanks :)
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[14:57:00] <_setuid_H> Gman: are you there?
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[15:01:45] <trochej> Coffee?
[15:01:54] <hrist> Tea!
[15:04:20] <fraggeln> coke!
[15:04:47] <coolvibe> starbucks!
[15:04:53] <xRaich[o]2x> banana
[15:05:41] <coolvibe> oranges
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[15:20:09] <piwi> stupid question: my gcaltool rounds up everything to the first position after the decimal point, even in scientific mode. where's the magic switch?
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[15:23:08] <piwi> s/gcaltool/gcalctool
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[15:30:21] <codestr0m> alanc: ping
[15:31:45] <lewq> Hey guys, I just turned on my OpenSolaris 08-05 machine this morning after a perfectly normal shutdown last night and got the following message: krtld could neither locate nor resolve symbols for /platform/i86pc/kernel//unix in the boot archive. ... Unable to boot - any ideas? Why has OpenSolaris destroyed itself? The only thing I can think of is that I recently installed the newest VirtualBox packages.
[15:32:08] <lewq> And how do I fix it?
[15:32:33] <trygvis> sounds like your hard drive is busted
[15:32:56] <codestr0m> eh? if I had to guess I'd say your boot archive is broken
[15:33:05] <lewq> I doubt it, it's a ZFS mirror on two disks and I doubt they'll both have failed simultaneously
[15:33:31] <trygvis> codestr0m: uhm, right. I misread that :)
[15:33:49] <lewq> Where is my boot archive and how can I restore it?
[15:34:24] <lewq> I'm going to build and boot an 08-05 USB stick so I can poke around with the ZFS filesystem
[15:34:48] <codestr0m> lewq: check your pm
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[15:37:56] <coolvibe> lewq: you can boot in failsafe mode from grub and restore it from there
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[15:40:41] <lewq> the internet (well, blogs.sun.com) just told me "OpenSolaris 2008.05 has no Failsafe"
[15:41:07] <coolvibe> how convenient
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[15:41:16] <lewq> what's the trick? and also? what is $ISADIR in grub, because it looks to me (see the // in my quote of the error message) that it's not being set correctly
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[15:44:44] <oxygene> lewq: a magic variable that's set depending on whether you are on 32bit or 64bit
[15:45:09] <lewq> ahh, not a terribly clearly named variable :)
[15:45:40] <oxygene> very clear: the directory that covers your ISA
[15:46:07] <timsf> $ISADIR gets replaced only if you use "kernel$" or "module$"
[15:46:17] <CosmicDJ> isa = instruction set architecture AFAIK; I think it is cleary named :p
[15:47:05] <lewq> ah okay, i read it as "is a"
[15:47:17] <lewq> fair enough
[15:47:37] <lewq> by the way any ideas when 11-08 is due for release?
[15:47:38] <CosmicDJ> isainfo -> is a info hm... ;)
[15:47:55] <CosmicDJ> lewq: I guess this month hehe
[15:49:10] <coolvibe> I'm loving the timeslider btw
[15:50:34] <oxygene> hmm.. when did sun become a python shop?
[15:50:45] <oxygene> ips, simple panels, ...
[15:51:59] <coolvibe> what's wrong with python?
[15:54:11] <SYS64738> to duplicate xvm guest on xvm filesystem is there anything best than zfs clone and promote ?
[15:54:17] <SYS64738> s/best/better
[15:54:33] <oxygene> coolvibe: rather unstable (in terms of interfaces), so I'd rather live with a base system without it. it also confused me to see 2 or 3 installs of it in a default install (python2.4, python2.5, and another one in /usr/sfw, iirc)
[15:56:00] <coolvibe> I find the python in the base system sufficient for the small hacks I do in it though
[15:56:57] <h3sp4wn> FreeBSD has the right idea interms of that for me (but if you look at the effort it took them to remove perl from the base system then Sun won't want to have to do that)
[15:57:17] <codestr0m> h3sp4wn: why is that such an effort
[15:57:27] <coolvibe> codestr0m: lots of base utils were in perl
[15:57:28] <oxygene> there's a difference between "python as a convenience for the user to hack in" and "python as base for system components" imho. you won't care (much), if the base python is updated, or if you use a different install on the same box. the system components might run into problems (due to incompatible modules, changed paths, etc)
[15:57:29] <codestr0m> I've updated perl to 5.10 in my local build
[15:57:46] <coolvibe> codestr0m: they had to be rewritten in shellscript or C
[15:57:49] <codestr0m> coolvibe: it's only bonehead since they hard coded the path to perl in certain circumstances
[15:58:20] <codestr0m> oxygene: yes.. opensolaris critically depends on a properly working py now
[15:58:28] <h3sp4wn> It will be interesting to look at the code from xvm server to make opensolaris into an appliance
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[15:58:41] <oxygene> codestr0m: just wait for python to break, and you're unable to update it, because pkg relies on it ;)
[16:00:47] <coolvibe> oxygene: handy thing about a zfs root is that you can roll back whatever the hell you did if you snapshotted beforehand :)
[16:01:00] <h3sp4wn> I cannot see how it can ever be so good for fixing something when its really broken as the sysv tools are now (Booting from cd and replacing the nvidia sata driver a few days ago was so logical and obvious)
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[16:01:28] <codestr0m> oxygene: I'm not worried about it.. I've repackaged python and anyway.. my package manager of choice has depended on it for a long time now
[16:03:09] <oxygene> coolvibe: still, why do have systems to become more fragile over time, instead of less?
[16:03:14] <h3sp4wn> When something so critical breaks completely its not much of a problem its when it breaks slightly and corrupts loads of files its more annoying
[16:03:40] <h3sp4wn> I suppose with it snapshotting first its less of an issue
[16:04:12] <coolvibe> oxygene: software rot, flipped bits, carelessness, take your pick :)
[16:04:54] <oxygene> coolvibe: in this case, it's carelessness.. great case for any "why choose solaris over linux" comparison ;) ("yay, we're careless, too!")
[16:05:01] <coolvibe> lol
[16:06:25] <coolvibe> oxygene: why trust an operating system who's founder once dialed his hard disk partition? ;)
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[16:06:52] <oxygene> now opensolaris only needs the "everyone gets to hack it / it compiles, let's ship" methodology
[16:07:19] <coolvibe> oxygene: I believe Sun is getting to that eventually
[16:08:03] <codestr0m> oxygene: so you're saying it should be harder to pull/patch the opensolaris source?
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[16:08:09] <codestr0m> like a litmus test?
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[16:09:16] <coolvibe> codestr0m: I doubt that he meant that :P
[16:09:47] <oxygene> codestr0m: no, what I mean is, what's missing for equality to linux is that ARC is disbanded and everyone gets to try to work on the upstream
[16:10:20] <twisti> Where can I find a list of Atheros chips supported by the OpenSolaris driver?
[16:10:24] <codestr0m> oh.. well. I think policy is good. I think bureaucracy  is bad
[16:10:34] <oxygene> policy could be "compiles - let's ship"
[16:10:37] <codestr0m> twisti: it's just the madwifi driver
[16:10:45] <oxygene> bad policy, but it's policy
[16:10:49] <coolvibe> oxygene: well, since the version control is mercurial, anyone can get his/her own branch
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[16:11:18] <codestr0m> oxygene: well. I'm all for no commits with warnings or lint.. patch review.. good process
[16:11:19] <twisti> codestr0m, Hi!
[16:11:25] <codestr0m> twisti: Hi!
[16:11:44] <twisti> codestr0m, Bought myself a new MacBook Pro and of course it has a Broadcom WIFI :-/
[16:11:45] <codestr0m> engineering, but it should be easier to make ARC cases or w/o a sponsor
[16:11:49] <twisti> I hate it.
[16:11:52] <oxygene> coolvibe: I know, I have one. I'm playing with the idea right now whether to contribute back or not (via ARC, please). the sun contributor agreement is nearly acceptable (miles ahead of the FSF crap), but still.. not interested in signing legalese
[16:12:17] <coolvibe> oxygene: I can understand, who needs more red tape?
[16:12:30] <codestr0m> twisti: so you're saying we need to get a driver for the mac?
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[16:14:06] <twisti> codestr0m, No, I'm saying I need another WIFI card.
[16:14:27] <codestr0m> twisti: ok. well. I have 4.. I may be able to part with one
[16:14:34] <codestr0m> you need pci-e?
[16:14:47] <coolvibe> hm, how hard would it be to hack ad-hoc support into the wpi driver?
[16:15:03] <piwi> where should i file a bug against a man page? defect. or bugs. ? it's about the gnome-calculator man page.
[16:15:18] <codestr0m> piwi: I think bugs.opensolaris.org works
[16:15:23] <codestr0m> I've never used it though
[16:16:55] <twisti> codestr0m, mini-PCI
[16:17:21] <codestr0m> twisti: I'm 99% sure if you open your mac. it's not mini pci, but pci-express
[16:17:26] <codestr0m> it's taller than wide
[16:18:18] <twisti> Hmm...
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[16:20:33] <tynar> guys, which laptop would you advice to buy for solaris? I am asking because I see many problems caught with drivers
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[16:21:29] <coolvibe> Dells seem to work nice with OpenSolaris
[16:21:38] <coolvibe> at least mine does
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[16:23:30] <zahna> does anyone know whether puppet and puppetmaster are available in any repos?  i'm not seeing any.
[16:23:35] <tynar> coolvibe, which series?
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[16:25:05] <tynar> coolvibe, model?
[16:25:10] <coolvibe> tynar: Latitude D520 is what I've got
[16:25:57] <coolvibe> mostly everything is Intel, except for the ethernet nic which is a broadcom, but it has a third party driver (bfe)
[16:26:25] <piwi> in /etc/gconf/schemas/gcalctool.schemas the default value for accuracy is set to 9. if i check the value using gconf-editor, the entry for accuracy is set to "schema", the value in the /apps/gcalctool/... path is set to 1. is there something missing on initialization?
[16:26:35] <coolvibe> sleep/suspend is a bit dodgy on Solaris, but that's expected since that stuff is kinda newish :P
[16:28:02] <MrData_> kern.warning] WARNING: clcomm: memory low: freemem 0x0
[16:28:21] <MrData_> five more minutes and off went the whole cluster
[16:28:35] <MrData_> no failover, cause it did sent heartbeats
[16:29:00] <piwi> s/if/when     (don'
[16:29:06] <piwi> t tell my teacher)
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[16:37:36] <tynar> coolvibe common problems come from wifi drivers, so if there isn't any problem with wifi it can be the right choice
[16:39:28] <coolvibe> tynar: wpi driver works fine for me, there's only no ad-hoc support
[16:39:42] <MrData_> wpi driver does not work for me ;)
[16:40:08] <coolvibe> tynar: general wifi (infrastructure mode) works fine
[16:40:44] <tynar> MrData_ you could get ask help from coolvibe :)
[16:40:55] <coolvibe> it worked out of the box for me
[16:41:34] <MrData_> it appears to be an irq conflict in my case
[16:41:47] <MrData_> nwamd hangs
[16:42:00] <MrData_> i kill it, configure with dladm manually
[16:42:21] <MrData_> get an IP via dhcp, but only a few packages make it.
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[16:42:53] <MrData_> itsa hp/compaq 6510b laptop
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[16:48:50] <MrData_> coolvibe: which version do you run? (nv101 here)
[16:50:25] <coolvibe> I run b101 here too
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[16:54:24] <MrData_> coolvibe, what does "dladm show-wifi" return you?
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[16:55:10] <coolvibe> I'm not hooked up to wifi right now though, but when I'm home it works great
[16:55:13] <coolvibe>  dladm show-wifi
[16:55:16] <coolvibe> LINK       STATUS            ESSID               SEC    STRENGTH   MODE   SPEED
[16:55:19] <coolvibe> wpi0       disconnected      --                  --     --         --     --
[16:55:36] <MrData_> :))
[16:55:40] <MrData_> and if you connect it?
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[16:57:48] <coolvibe> ~.
[16:57:51] <coolvibe> ~>~>
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[16:57:55] <jbk> have you tried dladm scan-wifi ?
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[16:58:19] <MrData_> scan wifi returns all networks correctly
[16:58:24] <coolvibe> Mrdata
[16:58:26] <coolvibe> LINK       STATUS            ESSID               SEC    STRENGTH   MODE   SPEED
[16:58:29] <coolvibe> wpi0       connected         arris54g            none   good       g      36Mb
[16:58:30] <jbk> then dladm connect-wifi -e ssid
[16:58:43] <jbk> and now i must go to a meeting
[16:58:50] <MrData_> jbk: i know ;)
[16:59:03] <MrData_> first you have to store the key as secondary object
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[17:00:13] <elfenquetsche> hi
[17:00:29] <coolvibe> hey there
[17:00:46] <MrData_> maybe it has an issue with wpa, since cool has sec=none...will dig further this night
[17:01:06] <coolvibe> I use wpa2 at home which works fine
[17:01:28] <coolvibe> all through nwam
[17:01:33] <MrData_> will try and report back, thanks so far ;)
[17:01:39] <coolvibe> no problem
[17:01:45] <elfenquetsche> is the amd sb600 southbridge supported by opensolaris?
[17:02:05] <MrData_> nwam hangs, in my case. only kill -9 can get rid of it
[17:02:18] <coolvibe> MrData_: that's not too good
[17:02:31] <MrData_> i agree
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[17:02:52] <MrData_> i probably need to mess the bios a little
[17:03:02] <h3sp4wn> elfenquetsche: If its not on the HCL its not "supported"
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[17:03:18] <h3sp4wn> elfenquetsche: It will probably work though (at least to some degree)
[17:03:19] <coolvibe> elfenquetsche: download an indiana iso and boot it
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[17:03:24] <codestr0m> h3sp4wn: that's mostly true, but I'm not sure how often the hcl is updated
[17:04:25] <elfenquetsche> thx, i'll test it
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[17:08:32] <RavenSlay3r> whats the command that prevents an ssh session from timeing out?
[17:08:37] <RavenSlay3r> i can never remember
[17:08:52] <coolvibe> keepalive?
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[17:09:29] <RavenSlay3r> yeah i think thats it, but can't find it in the 'man ssh' page
[17:09:33] <RavenSlay3r> is it an environment variable?
[17:10:06] <coolvibe> RavenSlay3r: it's a ssh configuration thingy
[17:10:16] <coolvibe> RavenSlay3r: grep for KeepAlive or somesuch
[17:11:11] <RavenSlay3r> ahh yes, it's 'KeepAlive' in ssh_config. Thankyou!
[17:11:35] <coolvibe> no problem
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[17:16:17] <piwi> elfenquetsche: sb600 works fine
[17:18:03] <piwi> including workaround for the ahci 64 bit bug
[17:18:31] <simonmenard> !weather
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[17:31:09] <hrist> no windows, acceptable, dry
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[17:34:30] <RavenSlay3r> Where do my configurations go for the local-console bash-shell in Solaris-SXCE?
[17:34:30] <RavenSlay3r> Default files are: local.cshrc, local.login, local.profile, .profile,
[17:34:30] <RavenSlay3r> No default .bashrc even though bash is the default console....
[17:34:30] <RavenSlay3r> I'm just confused on which file i'm supposed to use .. trial and error did not work
[17:36:05] <LuckyLuke> RavenSlay3r: it's a computer, you're not supposed to do trial-and-error, you're supposed to read man bash
[17:37:51] <RavenSlay3r> that would probably work
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[17:47:37] <noyb> or maybe you're more interested in man useradd ?   which will add a default profile to new user home dir.  is that what you meant?
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[18:03:16] <axisys> how do I lu from b94 to b101?
[18:03:50] <e^ipi> you follow the liveupgrade docs
[18:03:52] <CosmicDJ> the same you lu'ed from bxy to b94 ;)
[18:03:56] <e^ipi> it's pretty straightforward
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[18:04:20] * Doc is not the liveupgrade doc, but you can follow me if you want
[18:05:16] <e^ipi> there's also only one of you, so using the plural would be odd
[18:05:21] <e^ipi> unless your royalty
[18:05:32] <e^ipi> in which case it'd make sense that people were following you
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[18:09:40] <axisys> CosmicDJ: i forgot.. i have zfs root fs.. i know it is lot simpler.. i had been away for few months.. (excuses..excuses..)
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[18:13:55] <axisys> i followed an example from man lucreate but it failed like this http://pastebin.com/d4532442c
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[18:14:25] <axisys> i dont have any ufs fs here
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[18:23:57] <CosmicDJ> axisys: did you install the liveupgrade from the b101 dvd?
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[18:24:33] <axisys> CosmicDJ: i mounted the dvd and then run ./installer from the mnt point
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[18:25:23] <axisys> CosmicDJ: i think that took care of the new liveupgrade pkg installation.. no?
[18:25:28] <axisys> CosmicDJ: let me redo it
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[18:25:56] <CosmicDJ> axisys: hm no idea then; maybe smth is borked in /etc/lu/* ...
[18:26:21] <axisys> CosmicDJ: hmm
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[18:44:11] <holcomb> can a root pool have a spare, log or l2cache device?
[18:44:48] <SYS64738> I am tryng to boot a xvm guest, with xm create -c file.cfg it starts, with virsh define file.xml and virsh start file it doesn't
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[18:45:05] <e^ipi> use virt-install
[18:45:24] <e^ipi> xm is the old way of doing it
[18:45:42] <SYS64738> ok thanks
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[18:46:41] <SYS64738> but can I use it also if I have an installed guest to boot ?
[18:47:43] <trygvis> damn .. I just lu'ed to b101 and now I can't get a backtick
[18:48:04] <trygvis> or tilde
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[19:03:08] <klg> hi! it's a know issue that cifs works with AD domain, any ideas or work around's to make it work with samba PDC?
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[19:04:59] <jamesd> klg, google  set sharesmb   the latest sxce has a full cifs support including AD domains
[19:05:54] <oxygene> jamesd: that cifs support seems to require an AD domain controller.. I think klg's question is how to get it to work with samba (with its incomplete AD stuff etc)
[19:05:56] <klg> jamesd: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/What's_New_With_Solaris_CIFS
[19:06:04] <klg> check out the known limitations
[19:07:37] <jamesd> you can use with workgroups just need to create user accounts on the solaris box.
[19:07:57] <klg> jamesd: client requirement :(
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[19:09:18] <klg> jamesd: i'm making this storage solution (file server) based on zfs, which the client wants should be on the domain, and we are using all the open source tools & softwares on the network so samba is the choice
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[19:13:50] <wonko2> how do i find out what this is and how to get it working under Solaris (if that's even possible)?
[19:13:53] <wonko2> usba: [ID 349649 kern.info] usba:   no driver found for device /pci@0,0/pci1166,220@f,2/device@2/interface
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[19:17:54] <wonko2> ahhh, looks like it's a SunPlus SPIF215A
[19:18:02] <wonko2> which i can't find much on about support under solaris
[19:18:03] <wonko2> hmmm
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[19:20:09] <oxygene> wonko2: what kind of device is that?
[19:20:34] <wonko2> it's USB to eSATA
[19:20:52] <wonko2> SATA
[19:20:55] <wonko2> silly fingers
[19:21:35] <axisys> i tried from snv_94 to snv_95 and got exact same error
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[19:28:28] <wonko2> axisys: on the install cd you want to run Solaris_11/Tools/Installers/liveupgrade20
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[19:30:28] <teknoprep> hey all
[19:30:35] <teknoprep> i installed opensolaris 2x's now
[19:30:45] <teknoprep> both times it just went to the grub>
[19:30:52] <teknoprep> wth is going on lol
[19:30:59] <teknoprep> i installed it with ZFS
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[19:34:53] <jbit> "jsut went to the grub" ?
[19:35:32] <teknoprep> it goes the grub login
[19:35:38] <teknoprep> or grub boot menu
[19:35:50] <teknoprep> grub console or temrinal.. whatever you want to call it
[19:36:00] <teknoprep> its fine i already deleted that virtual machine
[19:37:17] <oxygene> teknoprep: did you install it twice in the same vm instance or did you recreate it inbetween?
[19:37:26] <teknoprep> i recreated it 3 times now
[19:37:54] <oxygene> teknoprep: ok, start the install, and after the zfs stuff is created, reboot, and install into the same virtual disk again
[19:37:57] <oxygene> teknoprep: then it should work
[19:38:10] <teknoprep> ahh
[19:38:29] <teknoprep> so as soon as the ZFS stuff is created... the install bars will show up.. should i just restart it then...
[19:38:35] <teknoprep> the install progress bars
[19:38:39] <oxygene> yes
[19:38:42] <teknoprep> then just start over again ?
[19:38:46] <oxygene> yes
[19:38:46] <teknoprep> thax
[19:38:55] <teknoprep> thanks i'll give that a try
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[19:44:20] <teknoprep> what exactly does that do to make things work ?
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[19:47:01] <_setuid_H> Evening all
[19:47:20] <axisys> wonko2: did that
[19:47:33] <axisys> wonko2: same error..
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[19:54:46] <teknoprep> oxygene, you still there ?
[19:57:51] <oxygene> yes
[19:57:58] <teknoprep> why would i have to do all of this
[19:58:21] <teknoprep> and when i go back into the installer... do i have to put an X on the ZFS drive so it is preserved ?
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[19:59:16] <oxygene> teknoprep: seems like the installgrub tool relies on data that the kernel fetched on boot. when you first created the zfs stuff, the knowledge about disk layout, and the actual disk layout differ. at least that's my theory.
[19:59:33] <teknoprep> oh
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[20:17:11] <Greggi> is there any roadmap for OpenSolaris releases ?
[20:17:20] <quasi> yes
[20:18:14] <Greggi> quasi: and where ?
[20:18:39] <h3sp4wn> Greggi: You mean when the individual projects make it into the OpenSolaris releases ?
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[20:22:57] <e^ipi> Greggi: every 6 months
[20:23:06] <e^ipi> that's the roadmap
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[20:25:58] <TopBunny98> So if i understand this correctly h3sp4wn  the next release of open solaaris would be in may of 2009?
[20:26:48] <h3sp4wn> TopBunny98: after 2008.11
[20:27:32] <sickness> exactly like openbsd :P
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[20:28:47] <h3sp4wn> TopBunny98: (At least to me knowing there is another one in 6 months means nothing really. (unless SXCE is depreciated after the May one - dunno)
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[20:31:05] <teknoprep> oxygene, hey look at that it worked
[20:31:55] <TopBunny98> only better bscause solaris has been around for tewnty-eight years (atleast in the hardware support arena) whaere as open bsd IMHO  show you that un cares about its commercial and hobbiesty user bases equaly.
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[20:39:23] <TopBunny98> any clues on how to fix  the issue  in this pastebin http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1246117
[20:40:44] <h3sp4wn> TopBunny98: Sun primarily cares about things it thinks (even incorrectly) will eventually make it money.
[20:40:45] <Greggi> every 6 months ?, so OpenSolaris 2008.11 should be here already
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[20:42:03] <klg> hi! i've download my reatek rge driver & installed it on my desktop still my network interface is not getting plumbed, can anybody help me
[20:42:11] <h3sp4wn> releasing at the last possible moment seems to be the plan
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[20:46:12] <e^ipi> Greggi, no, IIRC 2008.05 was on may 29th
[20:46:21] <e^ipi> it was only just barely 05
[20:46:32] <e^ipi> Solaris 10 08/10 was released on haloween
[20:47:23] <mui> hu :o
[20:47:24] <mui> nice
[20:47:32] <_mary_kate_> it's not 10/08 this time?
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[20:47:38] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_, or whatever
[20:48:25] <h3sp4wn> Does the new solaris 10 release still use bitstream (not freetype)
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[20:51:43] <smtms> huh?
[20:53:14] <oxygene> h3sp4wn: bitstream is a font foundry. freetype is a font rendering library. they can cooperate
[20:54:19] <Triskelios> oxygene: there's also a "bitstream" X module for some fonts, but it's obviously irrelevant to freetype
[20:54:22] <h3sp4wn> oxygene: I ment as in loaded by xorg.conf
[20:54:38] <oxygene> ah, that..
[20:54:40] <Triskelios> h3sp4wn: freetype doesn't need to be loaded by the X server
[20:54:46] <h3sp4wn> (or via the autodetect thing I think it looks tons nicer)
[20:54:48] <Triskelios> h3sp4wn: it's purely client side
[20:54:58] <oxygene> yes, one of half a dozen way X can render a font
[20:55:05] <oxygene> ways, even
[20:55:18] <h3sp4wn> (II) Loading /usr/X11/lib/modules/fonts/amd64//libfreetype.so
[20:55:18] <h3sp4wn> (II) Module freetype: vendor="X.Org Foundation & the After X-TT Project"
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[20:55:32] <h3sp4wn> (bitsteam.so was the other)
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[20:57:10] <h3sp4wn> oxygene: Could just be simply bitstream has the licenced BCI interpretter but its not enabled by freetype for patent reasons I haven't tried that yet)
[20:57:44] <oxygene> it's more likely that it implements a different font file format
[20:58:49] <h3sp4wn> I think its truetype the difference is most noticable with
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[21:02:36] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: ping!
[21:03:02] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: did you see the email to website-discuss@ about the problem with the emerging-platform-discuss@ list ?
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[21:11:01] <sickness> hi benr
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[21:13:24] <benr> hey man
[21:13:33] <benr> brendang_, you around an?
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[21:15:32] <LuckyLuke> does SXCE's in.tftpd log somewhere? man page doesn't say anything, not even syslog
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[21:30:57] <jbk> heh
[21:31:11] <jbk> sun is going to send ups _freight_ out to pickup 2 2.5" HDDs
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[21:37:46] <Aria> ...
[21:37:49] <Aria> Wow, jbk.
[21:38:29] <jbk> yeah
[21:38:47] <jbk> i'm ok as long as both of them are less than 150lbs total :)
[21:39:10] <_mary_kate_> did you type 2.5' HDs by accident?
[21:41:58] <sickness> are they made of uranium? :P
[21:42:14] <sickness> (maybe not even uranium can weight so much at a so small size :)
[21:42:33] <Aria> (not even that.)
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[21:44:11] <jbk> you'd think they could do a bit of intelligence
[21:44:17] <jbk> i'm not trading in a V890
[21:44:19] <e^ipi> hitachi's new product line the NeutronStar ?
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[21:44:34] <e^ipi> "the earth's weight in a 1tsp sample!"
[21:44:44] <sickness> eheh
[21:44:52] <jbk> it's a very attractive offering
[21:47:51] <sickness> what?
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[21:51:39] <axisys> anyone here can shed some light as to why my opensolaris lu failing so miserably
[21:51:42] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/d5bbb948c
[21:52:39] <jbk> hmm.. try 'mount -F lofs -o nosub / /mnt' then ls /mnt/var and see if it's empty
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[22:01:40] <plavcik> Hi, I'm installing SXCE from CDs. After reboot, I have to use "Solaris Software 2 for x86 Platforms", but CD 2 (sol-nv-b98-x86-v2.iso) is not accepted. Where I can check, which ISO include what?
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[22:02:25] <sickness> 98?!?
[22:02:47] <sickness> maybe the first iso is 98 and the second one 101? :/
[22:02:55] <plavcik> is the latest CD set available, I do not have DVD and do not know, how to install over network
[22:03:17] <plavcik> b98 is Navada version
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[22:04:15] <sickness> that's strange, latest nevada should be 101... but I've not tried to download the cd set, only the 2 part dvd iso
[22:04:16] <plavcik> v2 is the second is from v1 .. v6 isos
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[22:04:40] <e^ipi> sickness, latest cd's are 98
[22:04:55] <e^ipi> CD1 grew to be too big
[22:05:06] <sickness> e^ipi: oh, k
[22:05:37] <e^ipi> i'm kicking perl 5.6 out of ON, that /may/ be enough to fix it
[22:05:40] <e^ipi> we'll see
[22:05:54] <sickness> kick gnome out ;P
[22:05:56] <e^ipi> i'm not sure how much too big the CD's are
[22:06:02] <e^ipi> sickness, if only...
[22:06:17] <sickness> eheh :)
[22:07:18] <plavcik> which CD iso shall include "Solaris Software 2 for x86 Platforms" ?
[22:07:32] <sickness> second one?
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[22:08:07] <e^ipi> the CD's are really crap anyways
[22:08:15] <e^ipi> plavcik, just download 2008.05
[22:08:16] <plavcik> second on is not accepted, I'm using only two CD-RW media to install from 6x CDs
[22:08:24] <plavcik> can I install over Internet?
[22:08:33] <e^ipi> yeah, you set up a jumpstart server
[22:08:33] <plavcik> I need ZFS on root
[22:08:43] <e^ipi> 2008.05 is ZFS root
[22:08:54] <e^ipi> but here's the deal... you're using CDRW's
[22:08:57] <e^ipi> those are almost always broken
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[22:09:37] <plavcik> i see, so may be I have to create CD-RW from ISO again
[22:09:58] <e^ipi> no, take your CDRW's and throw them in the trash
[22:10:02] <e^ipi> they're garbage
[22:10:06] <plavcik> BTW can I put DVD imaage to USB stick and boot from it? it will be queicker then setup jumpstart server
[22:11:11] <plavcik> so CD-R with  2008.05 shall be OK for ZFS on root and (VirtualBox)?
[22:11:50] <e^ipi> yes
[22:12:10] <plavcik> ok, thank you
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[22:18:06] <axisys> jbk: mount -F lofs -o nosub / /mnt
[22:18:11] <VImtermute> later
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[22:18:14] <axisys> jbk: gave me this
[22:18:22] <axisys> jbk: mount: /: Device busy
[22:20:19] <plavcik> I like to get md5sums for 2008.05 is, but getting ERROR 400, could you see http://dlc-cdn-rd.sun.com/c1/osol/opensolaris/2008/05/md5sums.txt ?
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[22:23:00] <jbk> strange
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[22:24:47] <axisys> jbk: btw I dont have any UFS
[22:24:51] <axisys> jbk: all zfs
[22:25:04] <jbk> hmm.. wonder if there's a problem with lofs
[22:25:20] <jbk> what i'm wondering is if you have something that the /var filesystem is hiding
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[22:25:57] <axisys> jbk: my /var has tons of folders
[22:26:12] <jbk> no, i mean, if you could unmount /var
[22:26:21] <jbk> would you still see things in there
[22:26:27] <axisys> jbk: gotcha
[22:26:36] <jbk> that's what i'm wondering
[22:26:56] <e^ipi> people actually verify isos?
[22:26:58] <e^ipi> i never do
[22:27:06] <e^ipi> if it works, it works
[22:27:19] <axisys> i could take it to single user mode and then try then?
[22:27:40] <axisys> s/then?/again?/
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[22:30:39] <plavcik> @e^ipi: I'm on slow line, I like to be sure, that iso is correct before writin it on CD-R
[22:31:15] <eirikb> plavcik: You don't want to waste all the money on CD-R? :)
[22:31:23] <e^ipi> all 20 cents
[22:32:23] <e^ipi> http://genunix.org/distributions/indiana/os200805-1-md5sums.txt
[22:32:27] <e^ipi> those should be right
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[22:33:55] <plavcik> all 8 CZK and for me, it's correct step, to verify downloaded iso, thx for new URL (what is -1 ins the iso os200805-1.iso)
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[22:34:43] <e^ipi> respin
[22:34:55] <e^ipi> there was a bug in the original 2008.05 release that caused image-update to brick your machine
[22:35:55] <e^ipi> if you downloaded your version from opensolaris.org or sun.something it's fine
[22:35:59] <e^ipi> if not, it might be fine
[22:36:09] <plavcik> ok, thx
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[22:44:07] <cypromis> or only semi
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[23:21:27] <CIA-60> Tom Pothier <Tom.Pothier at Sun dot COM>: 6672051 FMA appears to implement rule 4B incorrectly
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[23:21:59] <LuckyLuke> SXCE's in.tftpd wasn't able to netboot a PA-RISC workstation, lol.
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[23:23:11] <Triskelios> LuckyLuke: really? sometimes the problem is just relative vs absolute paths in the request
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[23:23:24] <Triskelios> but I guess there could be tftp "dialects"
[23:23:25] <CIA-60> Chris Horne <Chris.Horne at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2008/673 scsi_inquiry(9S) update, 6321430 scsi_inquiry(9S) should be updated
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[23:30:37] <LuckyLuke> Triskelios: don't know, it always worked with all other tftps I tried (hpa-tftpd, OSX 10.5's tftpd, one that I can't remember from freebsd ports collection)...
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[23:41:23] <e^ipi> holy christ US immigration is a hassle
[23:41:45] <jbk> heh
[23:42:05] <jbk> not a surprise
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[23:42:43] <jbk> though for some reason i'm reminded a former friend from hamilton who was looking into working here
[23:42:54] <jbk> so he goes down to the ins office
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[23:43:14] <Aria> US Immigration is insane.
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[23:43:16] <Aria> Not just a hassle.
[23:43:22] <jbk> and while in line, someone asked him if the place they were at was the ins, and he goes 'no, it's the dmv'
[23:43:23] <e^ipi> Aria, i'll second that
[23:43:25] <jbk> so the guy left
[23:44:15] <e^ipi> thing is, i'm even only mildly inclined to want to live there. manager asked if i wanted to and i said 'sure'
[23:44:23] <jbk> the trick is after you've gotten your paperwork in, find someone who can write their congressman
[23:44:29] <jbk> or get sun to deal with it
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[23:44:32] <e^ipi> i'm a little bored of vancouver but all things being equal i'd just move to montreal
[23:44:43] <jbk> with all the h1bs, they should have it down pat :)
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[23:46:54] <rno> Hi
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[23:48:32] <rno> I've set up a zfs pool using opensolaris express dev and now I've installed opensolaris 2008.05 and I can't import my pool, because the version of zfs is newer
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[23:48:48] <rno> is there any way to downgrade it ?
[23:49:02] <TomJ> Don't think so
[23:49:29] <jbk> you'll need to upgrade your opensolaris install to one of the dev snapshots
[23:49:34] <xRaich[o]2x> afaik you can't downgrade pools. but you could upgrade opensolaris
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[23:50:03] <jbk> from 2008.05 it's slightly tricky, but essentially pkg refresh; pkg image-update
[23:50:20] <jbk> then beadm mount <new be created by image-update>
[23:50:22] <rno> I'm looking for a good stable ish version
[23:50:28] <rno> to run VirtualBox
[23:50:29] <sickness> is it the same from 2008.11 based on snv98 ?
[23:50:43] <xRaich[o]2x> rno: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/image-update/
[23:50:46] <jbk> then install the grub in the new image before rebooting
[23:51:28] <rno> ok fair enough
[23:51:35] <rno> I will upgrade the version
[23:52:14] <rno> thx guys :D
[23:52:25] <xRaich[o]2x> rno: future upgrades should be a lot easier
[23:52:27] <jbk> just be sure to follow the release notes
[23:53:40] <rno> xRaich do you think this version is good base to virtualize?
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[23:57:13] <xRaich[o]2x> rno: don't ask me, i don't virtualize solaris i use it as a workstation ;)
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[23:58:55] <e^ipi> jbk, h1b's are limited and i don't qualify anyways





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