November 3, 2008 
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November 3, 2008 [00:01:14] <e^ipi> Tpenta: around? [00:02:46] <victori_> anyone know if there any serious performance regressions on zfs when you have a lot of files in a single directory? >20k [00:02:55] *** Asako has quit IRC [00:10:25] *** kimo is now known as kim0 [00:11:13] *** pumpkin- has quit IRC [00:14:12] <throwt> abisen: i end up doing a find . -name pkginfo | xargs grep or something. i dont know if there's a Smarter(TM) way of mapping package names [00:14:24] <throwt> maybe its pkgsomethingelse [00:15:07] <kim0> victori_: think I read about that .. search the forums [00:16:40] <anathematic> how do I kill all processes on the server from apache? [00:16:58] <Auralis> pkginfo -d . |grep nameyouareinterestedin [00:17:06] *** Disorganized_ has joined #OpenSolaris [00:17:29] <throwt> Auralis: for finding content->names on the install cd? [00:18:02] <Auralis> sure, navigate to the Solaris_11/Product dir ont he dvd and have a go [00:20:57] <abisen> Auralis: yup that worked easier [00:20:59] <abisen> :) [00:21:20] <abisen> what is the name of he default solaris firewall service ? like equivalent of iptables [00:21:34] <Auralis> solaris uses ipf [00:21:45] <Doc> SunScreen! [00:22:08] <abisen> Auralis: thanks... [00:22:26] <throwt> Well... I was talking about figuring out the package names for the more obscurely named packages [00:27:14] *** badtruffle has quit IRC [00:27:34] *** cypromis has quit IRC [00:32:46] <anathematic> how do I restart my opensolaris server? [00:32:53] <anathematic> just sudo shutdown -r now [00:32:54] <anathematic> ? [00:33:10] <th> pfexec shutdown -y -i6 -g0 [00:33:24] <anathematic> ty [00:33:25] <th> that would be sort of the equivalent [00:33:42] <quasi> init 6 [00:34:23] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [00:35:44] *** vmlemon___ has joined #opensolaris [00:36:32] <anathematic> hi I'm getting the error "-bash: fork: Not enough space" now, is there a way I can just force restart the server? [00:37:14] <quasi> reboot [00:37:34] <anathematic> quasi: no I mean a command? [00:37:37] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [00:37:53] *** vmlemon___ is now known as vmlemon_ [00:38:13] <quasi> anathematic: the command reboot or halt if you prefer [00:38:34] <anathematic> quasi: sorry it just keeps coming back with the not enough space error [00:38:34] *** kim0 has quit IRC [00:39:15] <anathematic> oops slipped and logged out now I can't do anything [00:39:17] <th> anathematic: try exec reboot [00:39:24] <anathematic> damnit [00:41:07] *** mikefut has quit IRC [00:42:30] *** comay has quit IRC [00:52:33] *** ninjasli1 has quit IRC [00:55:30] *** abisen has quit IRC [00:58:12] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [00:59:16] *** derchris has quit IRC [01:01:42] *** houst0n- has joined #opensolaris [01:05:41] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris [01:05:58] <abisen> can i migrate a ZFS mirror to RAIDZ (in an online manner i.e. by just adding a new disk and changing the mirror to raidz ) [01:06:54] <LuckyLuke> nope [01:07:11] *** swa_work has quit IRC [01:07:14] <abisen> and zfs raid-0 to RAIDZ [01:07:17] <abisen> i guess not [01:07:18] <LuckyLuke> at least, not that I know of. [01:07:26] <LuckyLuke> you can't migrate anything to anything [01:07:29] <LuckyLuke> (basically) [01:07:54] <LuckyLuke> you can add mirrors to increase redundancy or add vdevs to increase available space/bandwidth, and that's all [01:08:33] <abisen> okay :( [01:09:12] <abisen> and what graphics card should i buy now that i see that ATI does not have drivers for Solaris (i would need a fairly dcenet graphics performance) what is recommended [01:09:21] <_mary_kate_> abisen: nvidia [01:09:37] <Tpenta> Good timing, I just got in [01:09:43] <abisen> _mary_kate_: so one more expense :) [01:09:48] <Tpenta> well maybe an hour early e^pi [01:09:50] <abisen> thanks a lot guys [01:11:40] *** Gman has quit IRC [01:11:57] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [01:11:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [01:20:05] *** netj has quit IRC [01:21:30] *** abisen has quit IRC [01:25:09] *** Odin- has quit IRC [01:27:13] *** sal323 has joined #opensolaris [01:32:40] *** houst0n- has quit IRC [01:34:45] *** Suhail has quit IRC [01:36:56] *** glguy has joined #opensolaris [01:38:06] *** echolink1833 has joined #opensolaris [01:39:05] *** dsch04 has quit IRC [01:42:03] *** houst0n- has joined #opensolaris [01:42:19] *** otep has quit IRC [01:44:17] <glguy> when trying too boot the SXCE b101 DVD (which I've managed to verify burned successfully) I get "hsfs mount: /dev/dsk/c1t1d0p0 is not an hsfs file system.\nReading ZFS config: done.\nERROR: Cannot find Java software, Exiting to shell" [01:44:25] <glguy> Is there anything I can do at this point? [01:51:08] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [01:51:15] *** otep has joined #opensolaris [01:51:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay [01:51:41] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris [01:53:19] *** microchip_ has quit IRC [01:53:30] *** dsch04 has quit IRC [01:55:53] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris [01:56:44] *** spiki has quit IRC [01:59:20] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [02:14:13] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris [02:16:49] *** anathematic is now known as acts_as_radar [02:16:57] *** acts_as_radar is now known as anathematic [02:18:26] *** boyd_ has joined #opensolaris [02:29:28] *** fr4g has quit IRC [02:30:30] *** Tilt has joined #Opensolaris [02:31:26] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [02:31:44] <Tilt> i updated to 100 and no glx won't work, if i use nvidia-xconfig the resulting xorg.conf is knackered [02:33:10] *** Tilt has quit IRC [02:36:00] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris [02:38:08] *** boyd has quit IRC [02:40:37] *** chendy has quit IRC [02:42:03] *** echolink1833 has quit IRC [02:42:04] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris [02:43:24] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris [02:44:34] *** echolink1833 has joined #opensolaris [02:48:03] <qiyong> what is quiesce(9E) entry point about? [02:48:54] <e^ipi> the manual page [02:48:55] <e^ipi> use it [02:49:00] <e^ipi> it's like the first sentance [02:49:08] <qiyong> # env - man quiesce [02:49:08] <qiyong> No manual entry for quiesce. [02:49:17] <e^ipi> so use the ones on docs.sun.com [02:49:28] *** drbrown has quit IRC [02:51:39] <qiyong> tran_quiesce is it? [02:52:01] <e^ipi> is that what the manual page says? [02:52:13] <qiyong> i didn't find the manual [02:52:19] <e^ipi> it's on docs.sun.com [02:52:32] <e^ipi> if you look up at the /topic there's a direct link to the S10 SAG [02:52:41] <e^ipi> part of that is the manual reference pages [02:52:42] <qiyong> sure, in a result of 5 pages [02:53:55] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [02:54:56] <qiyong> Operating System Quiesce [02:54:57] <qiyong> During a DR detach operation on a system board with non-pageable OBP or kernel memory, the operating system is briefly quiesced; that is, all operating system and device activity on the domain centerplane must cease for a few seconds during a critical phase of the operation. The quiesce only affects the target domain; other domains in the system are not affected. [02:55:12] <qiyong> DR == driver ? [02:55:44] *** niq has quit IRC [02:56:48] <e^ipi> you know, if you just google quiesce(9E) it's result number 4 or 5 [02:57:55] <e^ipi> Google: faster than asking on IRC. [02:58:55] *** yongsun has quit IRC [02:59:21] <e^ipi> IRC: not a manual page quick reference [02:59:48] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [03:00:22] *** delewis has quit IRC [03:02:30] *** ryankrizan has joined #opensolaris [03:03:24] <ryankrizan> Tonight I shut down my laptop to go out and have dinner. Came home, tried powering up the laptop, and I'm getting "Error 16: Inconsistant filesystem structure" Now, this is a pretty recent install of 2008.05, anyone know how to fix this? [03:04:23] *** abisen has quit IRC [03:05:26] <ryankrizan> Anyone? [03:05:45] <throwt> where doy ou get that error from? [03:06:01] <ryankrizan> About 3 seconds into boot [03:06:08] <ryankrizan> just after the grub boot screen [03:06:08] <throwt> and then? [03:06:18] <throwt> do you get the SunOS banner? [03:06:20] <ryankrizan> Then nothing. The OS stalls [03:06:24] <ryankrizan> Nope, I don't [03:06:36] <ryankrizan> I get "Press any key to continue" which I tried, and just reboots the machine over and over. [03:07:05] <throwt> looks like something got corrupted, but not sure. try booting from the cd... um... and see if you can mount your zfs [03:07:31] <ryankrizan> hm okay [03:07:48] *** Tilt has joined #OpenSolaris [03:07:59] <Tilt> i can't figure out what's not working... [03:08:05] <throwt> if zfs is corrupted and wont import, you're screwed, as of yet, sun doesnt provide any recovery tools for zfs [03:08:22] <Tilt> nvidia has ALWAYS worked on this machine, now it's not [03:09:05] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [03:09:11] <Tilt> (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable [03:09:36] <Tilt> is their some trick to making it work in snv_100 [03:09:38] <techqbert> Anybody get this ZFS pool problem? http://pastebin.com/d659fb9e1 [03:10:20] <throwt> get as in understand? [03:10:33] <ryankrizan> throwt: mind if I message you? [03:11:14] <throwt> ok [03:12:39] <Tilt> is anybody else using snv_100 and using an nvidia card ? [03:13:19] <techqbert> I was transferring files over NFS when NFS hung and I just went to init 6 the osol machine. it didn't go down until I tried reboot. That left it completely unresponsive so I turned the machine off thing COW will save me if anything. Now I have this zpool status error. http://pastebin.com/d659fb9e1 [03:16:22] <throwt> is your disk c6t6d0 ok? [03:17:55] <techqbert> throwt: physically, it appears so. It has both power and a SATA conn. [03:17:55] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [03:19:07] <throwt> then the intent log is probably corrupted. so whatever was written in it is corrupted anyway. what i would do is zpool clear like it suggests. maybe backup data first if you care [03:19:52] <throwt> it probably saw intent log errors and said 'disk is bad' when in actuality it was something else [03:25:23] <jbit> isnt the intent log redundant? this is on raidz [03:25:32] <techqbert> throwt: none of my data is at /tank/ think zpool clear is still wise? [03:25:54] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris [03:27:24] <myrkraverk> what tools are there, for making screecasts on solaris? [03:28:09] <Gman> myrkraverk: http://code.google.com/p/recordmysolaris/ [03:28:21] <jbit> myrkraverk: !!! [03:28:21] <myrkraverk> Gman, thank you [03:28:27] <myrkraverk> jbit! [03:28:46] * myrkraverk invades jbits private space [03:28:54] <jbit> clearly [03:29:06] <myrkraverk> ;) [03:30:09] <abisen> what's the equivalent of cat /proc/partitions or fdisk -l on solaris (to list all the available disks) [03:30:15] <throwt> format -e [03:30:36] <abisen> man... this channel is very responsive [03:30:47] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris [03:31:12] <techqbert> So I just issued sudo zpool clear tank. It is resilvering as we speak. [03:31:27] <abisen> thanks throwt [03:31:30] <throwt> sure abisen [03:31:37] <qiyong> what is PIL? [03:31:49] <qiyong> This function is called when the system is single-threaded at high PIL with preemption disabled. [03:31:52] <dclarke> Phase Interlock Loop ? [03:31:59] <qiyong> thanks [03:32:31] <dclarke> Porsche Injection Lag [03:32:54] <dclarke> Progrmmers Idiot Language [03:33:01] * dclarke shuts up [03:33:57] <techqbert> Uh guys. zfs list returns saying my data is mounted but it doesn't exist on the file system hierarchy (ie ls /tank/videos/) returns nothing. [03:34:13] *** sstallion has quit IRC [03:35:15] <sal323> how is cddl different from gpl? [03:35:16] <ryankrizan> throwt, scrub completed, 0 errors [03:35:24] <ryankrizan> but I did an installgrub [03:35:42] <throwt> ryankrizan: did it work on reboot? [03:35:43] <ryankrizan> Going to reboot, give it a shot. Will be crossing all fingers, toes. [03:35:52] <dclarke> techqbert: I have seen that very same effect ... what does zfs get all zfsfsname report ? [03:36:05] <ryankrizan> pfexec reboot [03:36:08] <ryankrizan> hey! wrong keyboard. [03:37:03] <dclarke> ryankrizan: geez dude .. you rebooted the freakign internet .. damn [03:37:14] <dclarke> there goes mexico city .. calcutta .. bangalore [03:37:33] <kohju> morning, all. [03:37:41] <dclarke> kohju: morning [03:37:43] <ryankrizan> hah [03:37:48] <sal323> who shutdown chile? [03:38:07] <ryankrizan> throwt, nope, same error: "loading '/platform/i86pc/$ISADIR/boot_archive' .... [03:38:08] <dclarke> kohju: if you have internet problems in Japa it was some guy named ryankrizan that broke it [03:38:28] <dclarke> Requesting System Maintenance Mode [03:38:28] <dclarke> SINGLE USER MODE [03:38:36] <ryankrizan> then of course, "Error 16: Inconsistent filesystem structure" [03:38:36] <dclarke> crap .. there goes my server rebooting [03:38:40] <dclarke> what a damn mess [03:38:57] <qiyong> For SOF interrupt event [03:39:00] <techqbert> dclarke: after reboot, files exist. [03:39:02] <qiyong> what's SOF [03:39:17] <ryankrizan> be right back. [03:39:20] <throwt> could have zpool export and imported then [03:39:36] <ryankrizan> throwt, should I have? [03:39:44] <ryankrizan> shoot, brb [03:39:48] <throwt> no [03:39:53] <throwt> not you [03:40:06] <throwt> http://osdir.com/ml/os.solaris.opensolaris.xen/2007-07/msg00061.html [03:40:15] <techqbert> did I? =0 [03:40:26] <dclarke> techqbert: I have seen that too [03:40:50] <dclarke> techqbert: I think you need to refer to the ZFS guide and use a command that forces the filesystem to mount [03:40:55] <techqbert> dclarke: My probs started when nfs hung, init 6 failed, reboot hung the machine, and the machine came back up [03:41:28] <techqbert> it finally came back up with after power cycling. [03:41:52] <techqbert> i'll keep that in mind [03:41:55] <throwt> ryankrizan: are you using zfs compression? [03:45:03] <throwt> anyway, try searching the sun bugs db. maybe submit a bug. im going to sleep [03:46:55] <ryankrizan> sorry [03:46:59] <ryankrizan> zfs compression? not that I know of [03:47:01] <kohju> hm. [03:48:48] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [03:49:02] <jbit> ryankrizan: old version of grub, new filesystem version? (although grub should be updated with the kernel/etc, just throwing ideas) [03:49:12] <ryankrizan> nah [03:49:19] <ryankrizan> pretty fresh install of 2008.05 [03:51:29] <myrkraverk> does 2008.05 come with sun studio? [03:52:48] <dsop> myrkraverk: it's not installed by default, but there is a sunstudio package that you can install [03:53:00] <myrkraverk> ok [03:53:54] <dclarke> myrkraverk: becareful [03:54:01] <dclarke> you will probably want Sun Studio 11 [03:54:06] <myrkraverk> dclarke, oh? [03:54:21] <dclarke> myrkraverk : Sun Studio 12 is excellent but still not the compiler of choice to build your own kernel [03:54:33] <myrkraverk> dclarke, ah, I see [04:01:37] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris [04:01:44] <kohju> but you *must* change "zfs set mountpoint=..." , afeter your some operation. [04:01:45] <ryankrizan> ya [04:02:34] <ryankrizan> I'm just backing up my home directory [04:02:40] <ryankrizan> going to make the move back to GNU/Linux [04:02:54] <ryankrizan> I've had much too many problems with openSolaris as of late, tired of it. :) [04:02:58] <benley> aww [04:03:02] <mustang> sucks to be you [04:03:06] <ryankrizan> yup [04:03:17] <ryankrizan> it's terrible. I liked OS too, but 3 fresh installs in 1 week [04:03:43] * benley is currently gritting his teeth and building a new storage infrastructure with linux [04:03:52] <mustang> sucks to be you too [04:04:05] <ryankrizan> after I don't do anything to the OS, I simply shut it down, start it up a couple hours later, and I get FS inconsistencies, time to go back to the 'ol faithful. [04:04:39] <benley> ryankrizan: that's scary, maybe there are gremlins in the driver for your disk controller [04:04:50] <ryankrizan> not sure [04:05:06] <ryankrizan> I used 2008.05 since it was released. Worked fine until last Thursday [04:05:11] <ryankrizan> had to reinstall 3 times [04:05:15] <benley> I'd honestly be suspicious of my hardware if it started doing that with any OS [04:05:25] <ryankrizan> well [04:05:30] <ryankrizan> That's what I was thinking too [04:05:39] <benley> so, good luck :) [04:05:41] <ryankrizan> but, I was able to fire up GNU/Linux, and use it without any problems. [04:05:54] <LeftyBSD> so use linux then [04:05:59] <myrkraverk> ryankrizan, without any apparent problems, at least [04:06:02] <LeftyBSD> if osol isn't working for you, don't use it [04:06:20] <LeftyBSD> alternately, file bug reports so the problems at least get reported, if not fixed [04:06:28] <ryankrizan> I'll still be using opensolaris, just not on that machine. hah [04:07:06] <jbk> i don't suppose anyone knows if the list of required ss12 patches has been updated as a result of the bug that hit b100? [04:08:37] *** zack__ has joined #opensolaris [04:08:49] <kohju> hmm... 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[04:22:07] *** T_B has quit IRC [04:28:56] *** sah-work has joined #opensolaris [04:31:20] <abisen> what is the equivalent of /var/log/message in solaris 10 [04:31:36] <abisen> i am also not able to find the default samba and ftp log files [04:32:21] <abisen> the /var/log/syslog is also a 0 byte file [04:32:50] <benley> /var/adm/messages [04:33:55] <abisen> i will write out a blog for a new linux to solaris converts :) some very small and major differences.. [04:34:17] *** klg has left #opensolaris [04:35:16] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [04:36:51] *** sal323 has left #opensolaris [04:37:16] *** fr4g has quit IRC [04:37:29] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [04:44:35] *** victori_ has quit IRC [04:56:25] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [04:56:30] *** victori_ has joined #opensolaris [04:56:43] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [04:57:58] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [04:58:45] *** mostlypeaceful has joined #opensolaris [04:58:59] <CIA-58> Kuriakose Kuruvilla <Kuriakose.Kuruvilla at Sun dot COM>: 6331630 cputrack prints incorrect exit record with multiple counters [04:59:41] <mostlypeaceful> In opensolaris2008.05 I didn't need to specify a dataset for a zone, just a zonepath. In opensolaris2008.11-100 I now have to specify this. How are the two different? [05:02:33] *** mshadle has joined #opensolaris [05:02:59] <mshadle> i have done a "svcadm disable network/smb/server" and verified it does not show up in the svcs list anymore, but for some reason it is enabled again after reboot? [05:25:33] *** mostlypeaceful has quit IRC [05:26:57] *** anathematic has quit IRC [05:30:01] *** fr4g has quit IRC [05:35:30] *** codestr0m has quit IRC [05:45:04] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [05:45:17] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [05:49:24] *** sah-work has quit IRC [05:54:56] *** tCzern has joined #opensolaris [05:55:14] <tCzern> Hello, just found OpenSolaris [05:55:58] <e^ipi> you had previously lost it? [05:56:12] <tCzern> no, I didn't know about it [05:56:25] <e^ipi> i was joking [05:56:28] <tCzern> I am on OSX and I know Linux [05:56:42] <spiff> try NetBSD [05:56:47] <e^ipi> o_O [05:56:49] <spiff> I hear they lack people [05:56:50] <spiff> :P [05:57:17] <tCzern> does this work similar to linux with repositories? [05:57:32] <e^ipi> tCzern: mostly, yeah [05:57:40] <e^ipi> there are differences [05:57:57] <tCzern> I worked with Suse [05:57:59] *** mostlypeaceful has joined #opensolaris [05:58:27] <mostlypeaceful> Are sunstudio & sunstudioexpress packages the same thing? And has ss-dev been replaced by those two? [05:59:37] <tCzern> so, I could have Gimp, Openoffice and all this stuff for OpenSolaris, too? [05:59:39] <spiff> can anyone decipher this one for me? Google won't help: [05:59:40] <spiff> pcap_open_live(lo0, 100, 0, 200) FAILED. Reported error: libpcap: dlpi_open failed on lo0: DLPI link does not exist. [05:59:48] <spiff> (regarding nmap locahost) [05:59:55] *** MisterBIOS has joined #opensolaris [05:59:57] <tCzern> But it wouldn't run OSX apps I guess .. [06:00:15] <e^ipi> tCzern: correct on both counts [06:00:16] <mostlypeaceful> tCzern: In theory, yes. [06:00:24] <MisterBIOS> hi folks, I am lookinhg for a version of SPARC SXCE prior to built 80, which introduced the new installer that chokes on machines with less than 512MBytes of RAM [06:00:24] <e^ipi> openoffice is in the repo, as is gimp [06:00:30] <e^ipi> and OSX stuff won't run [06:00:33] <MisterBIOS> build, even [06:00:41] <e^ipi> MisterBIOS: good luck with that [06:01:02] <e^ipi> use milax? [06:01:04] <tCzern> is ardour available in a repo, low latency kernel and jack audio, ... [06:01:24] <e^ipi> no, it's not [06:01:34] <e^ipi> the kernel has a realtime scheduling mode though [06:01:44] <tCzern> fair enough [06:02:05] <e^ipi> they should build pretty cleanly [06:02:19] <e^ipi> and if you add the blastwave repository you might find it in there [06:02:30] <tCzern> it comes as a com version, too? Sorry to bother you with all those questions .. [06:02:37] <e^ipi> com version? [06:02:39] <MisterBIOS> e^ipi: I did try MartUX [06:02:45] <e^ipi> MisterBIOS: i said milax [06:02:47] <e^ipi> not martux [06:03:16] <MisterBIOS> nope not yet, let me give it a whirl [06:03:46] <tCzern> Solaris 10 and Open Solaris [06:04:03] <tCzern> makes me think one is a commercial release [06:04:24] <e^ipi> yes, solaris10 is commercially supported [06:04:28] <e^ipi> still free to use though [06:04:39] <tCzern> I see [06:05:36] <tCzern> so, is it better than linux, or more in a parallel dimension? Which one is more user friendly? coming from Mac :-) [06:06:27] <e^ipi> depends who the users are [06:06:41] <e^ipi> sysadmins ? solaris is more user friendly because it doesn't break down all the time [06:06:50] <tCzern> ok, not an IT expert but also not a complete beginner [06:07:34] <tCzern> I had my stress with Suse, broke it's software manager [06:07:46] <tCzern> really don't want to deal with Terminals all the time [06:07:58] <e^ipi> then continue to use a mac [06:08:32] <e^ipi> apple takes great pains to make the desktop experience as user friendly as possible [06:08:40] <tCzern> oh well, I like mac. But I have also an old HP PC [06:08:42] <e^ipi> it's pretty much the only thing they do [06:09:06] <tCzern> they do it good, as user your still busy enough to figure out all those apps [06:09:21] <e^ipi> if you're looking for a pretty and painless user experience, use a mac or windows [06:09:33] *** codestr0m has joined #opensolaris [06:10:14] <e^ipi> if you want a solid stable server platform, there's a bunch of choices and most of the better ones still have files with AT&T copyrights in 'em [06:11:08] <e^ipi> or are owned by the Regents of the University of California Berkeley [06:11:34] *** houst0n-_ has joined #opensolaris [06:12:09] <tCzern> Apple is nice, ok, but when I look at the price of a MacBook Pro and the price of a Toshiba Notebook I start to wonder what I am paying for [06:12:59] <e^ipi> well, look at the price of a macbook and a macbook pro and wonder what you're paying for [06:13:03] <tCzern> how can I find out if I will have drivers for my soundcard e.g [06:13:26] <tCzern> right! Isn't that a bit over the top? [06:13:27] <MisterBIOS> tCzern: in a way, you're paying for access to lots of good sofrware [06:13:37] <e^ipi> there's a device driver detection tool on the livecd [06:13:45] *** stux|away has quit IRC [06:13:47] <MisterBIOS> for lots of folks, that's insufficient [06:14:10] <tCzern> on a Powerbook G4 here, hope it will last another 5 years :-) [06:15:44] <MisterBIOS> good luck with that :) [06:16:31] <MisterBIOS> tCzern: you wouldn't happen to know which Northbridge apple uses in the G4 motherboards, would you? I know in G3 land, they used the Motorola/Freescale/Tundra MPC106 [06:16:48] <tCzern> oh no way! [06:16:53] <tCzern> sorry [06:17:42] *** houst0n- has quit IRC [06:18:48] <tCzern> looking at NetBSD [06:19:31] <tCzern> many alternatives to windows and mac [06:23:12] <e^ipi> i don't think netbsd's going to be any more user friendly than solaris [06:23:15] <e^ipi> probably less so [06:23:52] <tCzern> I want something stable [06:26:09] <e^ipi> so, solaris or any of the BSD's [06:28:32] <tCzern> no Fedora or Suse, Ubuntu? Solaris is better? [06:29:17] <tCzern> please let me know, will have to leave now. Thanks for your advice! [06:31:22] <e^ipi> i don't trust linux [06:32:35] <e^ipi> and they're all the same [06:35:24] *** linma has quit IRC [06:38:23] *** BBHoss has joined #opensolaris [06:46:17] <tCzern> bak [06:46:19] <tCzern> back [06:46:30] <tCzern> http://www.opensolaris.com/get/ Live CD [06:46:45] <tCzern> this is for testing, right? [06:46:46] <ninjaslim> i agree with e^ipi [06:47:02] <e^ipi> tCzern: you can test, you can install [06:47:08] <ninjaslim> Unix is more stable than Linux for a number of reasons [06:47:08] <e^ipi> same CD [06:47:12] <tCzern> aah [06:47:29] <tCzern> that's a cool web site, fresh!! [06:47:34] *** sah-work has joined #opensolaris [06:47:51] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: when's OpenSolaris 2008.11 due for release [06:47:52] <tCzern> downloading it, will simply try it [06:47:55] *** sah-work has quit IRC [06:48:15] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [06:48:21] *** mikl has quit IRC [06:48:54] <tCzern> I know how to compile a source code, so ... not that bad I guess [06:49:17] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: november would be my guess [06:49:39] <e^ipi> and like every other time based release in the world, probably the last possible second [06:49:48] <ninjaslim> e^ipi: lol i meant like early or later on, i thought it was originally going to be like at the beginning [06:50:05] *** pumpkin_ has quit IRC [06:50:31] <tCzern> where are the system requirements listed? [06:51:08] <ninjaslim> tCzern: shouldn't have to worry about them in this day and age, but it's pretty much 512MB and a single core to get decent performance [06:51:44] <tCzern> ok, have 2GB ram and a 2.7 AMD, I think .. [06:52:01] <ninjaslim> 2.7 AMD???? [06:52:03] <ninjaslim> 2700+? [06:52:06] <ninjaslim> is that an AXP? [06:52:17] <ninjaslim> or is that one of the new quad cores [06:52:24] <tCzern> HP Pavillion something, I will need to look... [06:52:26] <ninjaslim> Phenom cause i think some of them run uneven speeds [06:52:30] <tCzern> 2700 sounds familiar [06:52:30] <ninjaslim> ok well you shoudl be fine either way [06:52:40] <ninjaslim> how old is this machine [06:52:58] <tCzern> Athlon XP, yes, hold on will look now .. [06:54:22] <tCzern> http://www.shopping.com/xPF-HP-Pavilion-Desktop-PC-A700N [06:54:34] <e^ipi> anything better than a pentium 3 is sufficient [06:54:38] <tCzern> yeah, tell me it's a pest [06:54:46] <MisterBIOS> e^ipi: so milax booted minimally, but it doesn't have a driver for my console [06:55:06] <tCzern> I have suse11 running on a Dual P3, with 512MB ram [06:55:10] <e^ipi> for the serial console? [06:55:21] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [06:55:21] <MisterBIOS> e^ipi: graphical, VGA on an Ultra5 [06:55:36] <e^ipi> meh [06:55:36] <tCzern> a bit slow, but it works [06:55:44] <e^ipi> find the packages on an SXCE or S10 disk [06:56:27] <e^ipi> or use serial console [06:57:52] <tCzern> will I need an internet connection with the Live CD? [06:58:33] <e^ipi> no [06:59:35] <tCzern> good, my son is an addicted gamer on windows and it will cause panic in the house if I rip out the LAN cable [07:00:24] <MisterBIOS> sdoes S10 have ZFS? [07:00:26] <e^ipi> i have a switch [07:00:31] <e^ipi> MisterBIOS: yes, it does [07:00:45] <e^ipi> and has for quite some time now [07:01:43] <e^ipi> dunno why you're wasting time with an old U5 though... it's gonna be painful [07:02:12] <MisterBIOS> no kidding :) [07:06:17] *** perlmongo has quit IRC [07:08:08] <glguy> Is there a good place to find out what OpenSolaris's package manage offers over others (what made it worth writing another manager) [07:08:54] <e^ipi> it does snapshots before installing things, so if something fucks up you can roll back to the system state before you did that [07:09:05] <e^ipi> that in itself is a good enough reason [07:09:13] <glguy> and that is possible because of zfs? [07:09:31] <e^ipi> eys [07:09:31] <Triskelios> glguy: the project page for pkg(5) should have lots of documents about the design [07:09:32] <e^ipi> *yes [07:10:24] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [07:13:07] *** codestr0m has quit IRC [07:15:03] *** linma has joined #opensolaris [07:15:23] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [07:15:32] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris [07:21:55] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [07:25:36] *** a has quit IRC [07:26:10] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC [07:29:12] *** comay has quit IRC [07:38:50] *** duri has joined #opensolaris [07:43:18] *** div11 has joined #opensolaris [07:43:49] *** tCzern has quit IRC [07:43:56] *** mostlypeaceful has quit IRC [07:48:16] *** tCzern has joined #opensolaris [07:48:39] *** tCzern has quit IRC [07:51:18] *** chendy has quit IRC [07:54:21] *** dunc has quit IRC [07:58:26] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [07:58:32] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [07:59:04] *** rtor has joined #opensolaris [08:00:29] <mshadle> i have done a "svcadm disable network/smb/server" and verified it does not show up in the svcs list anymore, but for some reason it is enabled again after reboot? [08:04:00] <CosmicDJ> mshadle: did you sharesmb a zfs filesystem? [08:04:18] <mshadle> ah yes, and now i am using the older samba, not the in-kernel cifs [08:04:32] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris [08:06:45] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris [08:07:41] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC [08:07:41] <mshadle> how can i check which zfs filesystems have sharesmb still set to on? [08:08:51] <mshadle> also could i set xattr=no to disable the crazy ACLs and stuff that the ZFS filesystem uses? i want standard unix user/group/other [08:10:00] *** abisen has quit IRC [08:13:28] <gerard13> zfs get all in a loop on all the datasets? [08:14:39] <CosmicDJ> mshadle: I'd leave the default, on... [08:21:24] <mshadle> how can i recursively list the zfs properties [08:23:57] *** Yorlik_extern has joined #opensolaris [08:26:38] <e^ipi> you probably don't want standard unix permissions on a windows filesharing protocol, and ACL's are smarter and better anyways [08:27:27] <e^ipi> to reduce hassle on my unix boxen, i have an acl set for the staff group, which when placed at the toplevel of a share should ensure that local users can use it correctly [08:27:29] <_mary_kate_> i found unix permissions worked better for me; since CIFS sets all file modes to 0, if you do something with the file using a program that doesn't understand NFSv4 ACLs (which is most of them) you end up with a file you can't do anything with without chmodding it [08:27:30] <e^ipi> group:staff:rwxp--aAR-cC--:fd-----:allow [08:27:59] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: you have apps that do more than check 'can i use this file' ? [08:28:09] <e^ipi> i've yet to run in to problems with ACL's [08:28:53] <asyd> \_o< [08:29:02] <e^ipi> heya asyd [08:31:32] <mshadle> mary_kate: exactly [08:31:59] <mshadle> i am doing basic stuff here. mounting it from linux, windows, copying/renaming/deleting files. [08:32:14] <e^ipi> so then setting up your ACL's should be more than sufficient [08:32:27] <mshadle> and right now it's hitting ACL issues a lot. even though i have set the ACLs to be as wide as possible the last time i asked in here [08:32:37] <e^ipi> rather than pretending they don't exist and reverting to the best security ideas that 1959 had to offer [08:32:39] <mshadle> chmod A+user:mike:full_set:file_inherit/dir_inherit:allow $foo [08:32:58] <mshadle> i dont need anything past 1959. the user/password authentication already restricts enough [08:33:12] <_mary_kate_> i think in my entire life i've set 1 ACL on my home system [08:33:18] <mshadle> ive set that ^^ and i still have issues [08:35:15] <mshadle> mary_kate: is it zfs set xattr=no $filesystem and viola? [08:35:18] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris [08:35:39] <_mary_kate_> xattr is nothing to do with ACLs [08:35:49] <mshadle> i can always set it back on, its not like executability/anything like that needs to be kept [08:35:55] <mshadle> oh [08:36:07] <mshadle> i thought the acls were stored as extended attributes [08:36:50] <mshadle> zfs set aclinherit=passthrough [08:36:52] <mshadle> might fix this [08:37:25] *** eviljames has joined #opensolaris [08:37:41] <mshadle> it says acls are inherited except for the write_acl .. [08:38:05] <mshadle> by default. which is kinda contradictory to setting file_inherit/dir_inherit :p [08:38:17] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [08:38:33] <mshadle> with full_set [08:38:38] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris [08:38:41] <Doc> <_mary_kate_> xattr is nothing to do with ACLs [08:38:43] <Doc> huh? [08:39:20] *** Tempt_ has joined #opensolaris [08:39:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tempt_ [08:39:25] *** Tempt_ has quit IRC [08:40:53] <mshadle> ok how can i remove all these goddamn acls [08:40:57] <mshadle> 15 acls on a single dir [08:41:42] <e^ipi> with chmod [08:41:48] <Doc> man setfact [08:42:04] <mshadle> No manual entry for setfact. [08:42:38] <Doc> man setfacl even [08:42:54] <CosmicDJ> *facl is for UFS IIRC [08:42:54] <Doc> and -5 points for not working that out for yourself [08:43:24] <mshadle> im just doing as im told [08:43:38] <glguy> I'm running OpenSolaris on an nvidia video card for the first time. My resolution is stuck at 640x480, which isn't big enough to see the part of the nvidia settings dialog to try changing resolutions [08:43:42] <glguy> any suggestions? [08:43:47] <mshadle> i know nothing about opensolaris, nfsv4 acls, even windows 2003/whatever acl crap. [08:43:52] <e^ipi> Doc: setfacl is dead [08:43:52] <Doc> ok, email me your credit card number/expiry/etc [08:43:55] <eirikb> glguy: nvidia-settings? [08:43:57] <mshadle> heh [08:44:14] <eirikb> glguy: alt+mouse? [08:44:26] <Doc> eipi: i could say the same about Sun... err.. JAVA, but they are still on nasdaq :) [08:44:37] <glguy> eirikb, that helps :) [08:44:45] <glguy> eirikb, just dragging the titlebar wasn't cutting it [08:45:02] <Doc> wow.. JAVA dropped another 13% on friday [08:45:42] <glguy> :( 640x480 and 320x240 are my only resolution choices [08:45:49] <eirikb> Yeah alt+mouse is a big plus in unix desktops [08:46:20] <eirikb> Then I would go for 640 :D [08:46:42] <glguy> I was aware of the combination but didn't know if would override the stop at the top of the screen [08:47:07] <fraggeln> *cry* Why cant i shrink a zpool :/ [08:47:17] <fraggeln> I want to remove one of my devices. [08:49:25] <glguy> Ah, the Monitor section of my xorg.conf was too limiting [08:50:46] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris [08:50:57] <trochej> Coffee? [08:52:36] *** Tobbe|autoaway is now known as Tobbe [08:53:10] <mshadle> how do i enable cupsd or disable the non-kernel samba server from looking for it [08:53:52] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris [08:54:41] *** hrist has quit IRC [08:56:29] *** hrist has joined #opensolaris [08:56:56] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris [08:58:23] <CosmicDJ> mshadle: the smb.conf manpage has every print* option documented [08:59:53] *** tsoome has quit IRC [09:01:51] <glguy> is it normal for the package manager to use all of my memory and CPU when upgrading for the first time from 200805? [09:02:14] <glguy> (1GiB RAM, P4 3GHz CPU) [09:02:56] <mshadle> i dont have an smb.conf man page [09:03:28] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [09:04:39] <Triskelios> mshadle: svcs -a '*cups*' [09:05:06] <mshadle> disabled 23:53:16 svc:/application/cups/scheduler:default [09:05:06] <mshadle> disabled 23:53:31 svc:/application/cups/in-lpd:default [09:05:06] <mshadle> online 23:53:29 svc:/application/print/cswcups:default [09:05:09] <mshadle> however - [09:05:13] <mshadle> [2008/11/02 19:22:28, 0] printing/print_cups.c:(69) [09:05:13] <mshadle> Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost:631 - Error 0 [09:05:17] <mshadle> in my samba log [09:05:25] <xRaich[o]2x> gmorning folks [09:05:36] <mshadle> lsof -i tcp:631 shows it running too.. [09:05:48] <mshadle> telnet localhost 631 can connect.. [09:07:07] <tijo007> hi, please how do i create new datalink for an exclusive zone? [09:13:01] *** duri has quit IRC [09:14:44] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [09:18:21] *** Yorlik_extern has quit IRC [09:22:24] <CosmicDJ> what's an exclusive zone? and what kind of datalink? [09:22:42] <_mary_kate_> i guess he means 'interface' and 'exclusive IP zone' [09:23:36] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [09:24:59] <h3sp4wn> glguy: Its very normal for anything using zfs to be horrible on 32 bit (especially using the package manager and zfs scrub) [09:25:32] <glguy> h3sp4wn, so I'm probaby wasting my time trying opensolaris on this computer? [09:27:50] <Stric> glguy: it's mostly the graphical package manager that eats huge amounts of ram [09:28:02] <Stric> when doing upgrades.. but you can use 'pkg image-update' instead.. [09:28:19] <glguy> I've invested about 30 minutes so far [09:28:19] *** yongsun has quit IRC [09:28:29] <glguy> I wonder if it would b e faster to kill the gui [09:28:34] <h3sp4wn> glguy: I would go for a 64 bit chip before I would bother (or use SXCE with ufs) [09:28:36] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [09:28:38] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [09:29:13] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [09:29:15] <glguy> I tried SXCE but it couldn't boot on this computer [09:29:17] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris [09:29:22] <tijo007> CosmicDJ: zone running with exclusive ip? [09:29:33] <e^ipi> i'm still hoping that someone makes the decision to drop 32 bit support [09:29:34] <glguy> complained about not being able to mount my fhfs or something [09:29:57] <glguy> some filesystem whose acronym I've forgotten [09:30:06] <Stric> hsfs probably (cd filesystem, iso9660) [09:30:12] <Triskelios> mshadle: cups/scheduler isn't enabled [09:30:33] <DTEIT> morning [09:30:43] <CosmicDJ> tijo007: set ip-type=exclusive [09:32:06] <tijo007> CosmicDJ: yep, i know this. but i don't know how to create proper 'virtual' iface. because i cannot give bre0 (or any other default) to that zone. it say permittion denied [09:32:25] <mshadle> ok all 3 cups things are enabled/running [09:34:29] <glguy> heh, the packagemanager was trashing too hard to notice that I'd restarted X [09:35:40] <mshadle> port 631 is already in use for some reason [09:36:51] <Triskelios> mshadle: you seem to have a "cswcups" in addition to the system cups... [09:37:10] <CosmicDJ> tijo007: IIRC ip-type=exclusive doesn't work on all nics... [09:37:14] <mshadle> yeah. i thought they went together. i just figured out it probably doesnt :p [09:37:37] <mshadle> disabled 0:37:34 svc:/application/print/cswcups:default [09:37:37] <mshadle> online 0:38:12 svc:/application/cups/scheduler:default [09:37:37] <mshadle> online 0:38:12 svc:/application/cups/in-lpd:default [09:37:40] <mshadle> that looks good? [09:38:28] <tijo007> CosmicDJ: i tried it on intel as well. would like to know how to create set physical=e1000g1000 [09:38:51] <tijo007> i mean.. e1000g1000 for this example :-/ [09:38:52] <CosmicDJ> tijo007: man dladm [09:39:32] <tijo007> CosmicDJ: ok, going to explore. thanks for hint [09:39:44] <Triskelios> mshadle: yeah [09:40:17] <mshadle> damnit, in-lpd cant start on startup - "svc.startd could not set context for method: chdir: No such file or directory" [09:40:30] <Triskelios> o_O [09:40:57] <mshadle> works fine once i svcadm clear it [09:43:34] <mshadle> fixed. [09:44:40] <mshadle> it was due to /root being symlinked to zfs [09:45:53] *** smtms has quit IRC [09:46:03] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [09:48:17] <pgr> hi! is gparted not installed by default on OS? [09:48:29] <pgr> I want to resize the root partition [09:50:34] *** codestr0m has joined #opensolaris [09:52:11] *** Yorlik_extern has joined #opensolaris [09:53:26] <e^ipi> pgr: step one is to add the functionality to the system. step 2 is to compile gparted [09:53:39] <e^ipi> step 2 is trivial compared to step 1 [09:54:02] *** acctor has joined #opensolaris [09:54:20] <acctor> how can I stop the automatic reboot so that I can read the kernel dump message? [09:54:32] <e^ipi> boot with -kv [09:54:58] <CosmicDJ> or scat the dump... [09:55:12] <pgr> is this correct, that gparted should be available on the livecd? (http://opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/Slim_Install/project_documents/slim_install_getstarted/slim_install_GetStarted_GParted/) [09:55:21] <Triskelios> pgr: resizing the partition will not get you too much, since the pool won't change size until you add a disk or copy the data and restore it [09:55:40] *** hsp is now known as hsp_away [09:55:50] <Triskelios> pgr: it is correct. notice where it says "System Rescue CD." [09:56:53] <pgr> okay. So i have no OS installed and it uses 100gb... there is no "easy, and fast" way to shrink this partition? [09:57:11] <e^ipi> there is no way to do it even slow and difficult [09:57:40] <e^ipi> zfs will expand, but you can't shrink it [09:57:44] *** The-spiki has quit IRC [09:57:56] <e^ipi> the mechanics of doing that is non-trivial [09:57:58] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris [09:58:27] <pgr> pah... so I have to do a new installation -.- [09:58:29] <e^ipi> old first or second gen filesystems like all the ones that linux has, you just move the blocks around, no big deal [09:58:40] <e^ipi> ZFS doesn't work like that [09:59:02] <e^ipi> acctor: that it can't mount the root path ;) [09:59:08] <pgr> i see... ty [09:59:14] <Triskelios> pgr: just back up to a second disk if available [09:59:31] <e^ipi> acctor: seriously though it's not finding the boot archive [09:59:40] <pgr> if not? sry... it's my first time with OS... [09:59:43] <acctor> how come it references ramdisk? is that like initrd img on linux? [09:59:52] <e^ipi> same idea, more or less [10:00:46] <acctor> e^ipi: where is the rootpath configured? grub? [10:01:10] <e^ipi> bootadm takes care of it [10:01:46] <acctor> I can guess how I broke it, I installed to the HD via USB enclosure connected to VMware workstation, as the live CD failed just sat spinning on "finding disks" when I booted it natively [10:02:11] <Triskelios> pgr: you will have to reinstall, sorry [10:02:19] <e^ipi> that'd do it, yeah [10:03:04] <e^ipi> you might be able to coax it in to working by pointing grub at the correct location [10:03:26] <pgr> <Triskelios> thats not really a problem I didn't made any configs or such... but I am a bit disappointed... nearly by "every cool" fs can be resized... [10:03:29] <pgr> on linux :) [10:03:48] <e^ipi> pgr: zfs resizes automatically [10:04:04] <pgr> ? [10:04:08] <e^ipi> add a mirror that's bigger than the old one, remove the old one, filesystem is instantly bigger [10:04:16] <e^ipi> it just doesn't shrink [10:04:19] <fraggeln> e^ipi: but no way to shrink it :/ [10:04:23] <pgr> yeah well.. :) [10:04:25] <pgr> hehe ok [10:04:34] <pgr> but this feature is also cool, true ,) [10:04:58] <e^ipi> fraggeln: no, because that's a very difficult thing to accomplish unless your filesystem is very simple [10:05:32] <e^ipi> ext3 can be shrunk, but it doesn't automatically lay out your files in the optimal position on the disk [10:05:34] <fraggeln> e^ipi: well, if you replace a disk, you actualy move all data away from the disk you want to replace, so. instead of just replacing, remove some crap at the end :D [10:05:48] <e^ipi> fraggeln: what's at the end? who knows. [10:05:52] *** zack__ has quit IRC [10:06:09] *** Vagrant has joined #opensolaris [10:06:19] <e^ipi> there's a design doc on how exactly to eject blocks from some parts of disks [10:06:26] <e^ipi> it's about 20 pages of complex jargon [10:06:29] <e^ipi> IIRC [10:06:35] <sickness> I heard there was a project ongoing to "free" a disk from a zpool, provided the user removed enough data first... [10:06:47] <e^ipi> sickness: yeah, that's the 20 page document i referred to [10:06:57] <e^ipi> ( it's not actually 20 pages but that's what it felt like ) [10:07:02] <sickness> oh, oki :) [10:07:08] <fraggeln> sickness: that would be awesome, but it will not be in solaris10 im afraid :) [10:07:14] *** abisen has quit IRC [10:07:16] <Triskelios> e^ipi: shrinking shouldn't actually have much more complexity than scrubbing and resilver, but obviously it hasn't been as much of a priority [10:07:35] <e^ipi> it's significantly more difficult than scrubbing or resilver [10:08:04] <fraggeln> e^ipi: but still, when you replace a disk in a zpool, you evacuate it and replace it. so, you already have the code to evacuate one disk. [10:08:17] <_mary_kate_> fraggeln: replacing a disk doesn't move its data to another disk [10:08:19] <fraggeln> so, it should not be that difficult to just remove an emptu disk :) [10:08:35] <fraggeln> _mary_kate_: it doesnt? [10:09:09] <_mary_kate_> actually, i suppose it does if you're replacing a non-failed disk [10:09:19] <sickness> fraggeln: nope, when you replace it you're actually going without the part of data that's on it [10:09:39] <Triskelios> _mary_kate_: I think it just rebuilds the mirror/stripes there too [10:09:46] <sickness> to "redesing" the layout of a zpool to work with 1 disk less is a different matter [10:09:50] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [10:09:51] <_mary_kate_> Triskelios: according to the manpage, you can do it on a non-redundant pool [10:10:03] <Triskelios> _mary_kate_: interesting! [10:10:08] <_mary_kate_> (i've neved tried it, though) [10:10:08] <sickness> uhm... [10:10:15] <sickness> breakfast time. [10:10:54] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [10:12:06] <Triskelios> e^ipi: I don't agree with the suggestion that it is "significantly more difficult". all of the necessary information is easily available to the pool layer, it just needs some bookkeeping [10:19:07] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris [10:19:42] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [10:22:08] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris [10:23:19] *** bimbo has joined #opensolaris [10:24:12] *** Yorlik_extern has quit IRC [10:24:55] <acctor> I have booted the live CD and I'm trying to mount the hard disk zfs partition, any clues? [10:25:11] <bimbo> hello, I'm trying to compile e17 under opensolaris, however I'm getting this error: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1228686 [10:25:17] <bimbo> structure has no member named `d_type' [10:25:37] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris [10:26:14] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris [10:26:15] <bimbo> is this a struct that should be defined in the system? or is it compiler related? [10:27:33] <x58> What is line 142? What structure is it trying to access? [10:27:41] <CosmicDJ> dirent [10:27:43] <codestr0m> if anyone wants to take a quick look at a patch that adds wide char support for snprintf on solaris.. http://rafb.net/p/UM00ya16.html [10:27:52] <codestr0m> some patch review is most welcome [10:28:47] <x58> bimbo: If CosmicDJ is right, and I believe he is, then you might need to find out what header to include to make it compile on Solaris, you may also need to modify the code [10:31:03] *** microchip_ has joined #opensolaris [10:31:04] <CosmicDJ> x58: the right headers are included in e17; but solaris is lacking the propper implementation... [10:31:21] <acctor> sounds like the structure is defined though, just doesn't have an expected member which points to a pretty hard problem to work around [10:31:29] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris [10:31:31] <x58> Ah [10:32:22] *** dunc_ has quit IRC [10:32:31] <bimbo> hmmm, can this be threaded as a bug? or does this concern other things? [10:32:37] *** MisterBIOS has left #opensolaris [10:32:47] <Triskelios> acctor: zpool import [10:32:59] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: you up to take a quick look at the patch I pasted above to review (c code though).. even a quick look is better than none.. thanks [10:32:59] <acctor> Triskelios: thanks [10:33:41] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [10:33:42] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [10:33:58] <x58> codestr0m: I am taking a look. I tend to program in C++ though ... looks good so far. [10:34:01] <acctor> "zpool import" appears to trigger Media_Errors on my CD drive [10:34:16] <codestr0m> x58: k.. [10:34:24] <Triskelios> bimbo: it's a dirent struct member that is specific to BSD and/or GNU [10:34:35] *** OlofS has joined #opensolaris [10:35:00] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: what are you patching? my src is scattered with snprintf.c [10:35:07] <x58> codestr0m: Why the special inclusion of Microsoft headers? for MSVC's sake? [10:35:48] <fraggeln> cake? :) [10:36:35] *** m0zzzy has joined #opensolaris [10:37:02] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: well. I'm going to solve some of this missing vasprintf non-sense (at least in my little corner of the world) [10:37:28] <Triskelios> bimbo: use stat() to figure out the file type or just leave the check commented out [10:37:43] <codestr0m> x58: msvc was used for testing and needed it yes [10:37:59] <x58> Ah, okay. Just wondering. [10:38:01] <acctor> ah ha, limited zpool import to the right controller with -d [10:38:18] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [10:38:19] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: mh which file in src/ is this patch for? [10:38:39] <bimbo> Triskelios: commenting it out, thank you [10:38:51] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: it's not in any public gate [10:42:33] <e^ipi> then it doesn't exist [10:42:35] <Triskelios> x58: rofl, I didn't notice the Win32 bit [10:42:51] <e^ipi> or more accuratly, for the purpose of public code review it doesn't exist [10:42:53] <x58> codestr0m: There is an #endif that says ASPRINTF! at the bottom, which should be AWSPRINTF if you want the comment to match. [10:43:21] <x58> That is just nitpicking though, I did not see anything really jump out at me :P [10:43:35] <codestr0m> x58: thanks [10:43:39] <Triskelios> isn't swprintf and friends part of SUSv3? maybe it's implemented somewhere already? [10:43:39] <c00p> anyone here used opensolaris on a x4500 ? [10:43:59] *** mega has quit IRC [10:44:19] <Triskelios> codestr0m: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-5168/swprintf-3c?q=dladdr&a=view - yeah... [10:44:21] <x58> codestr0m: How does it compare to the BSD/glibc implementations? Do they match or are their subtle differences? [10:44:51] <codestr0m> Triskelios: is the source for that available? [10:45:05] <codestr0m> x58: I haven't tested on linux. .can't say [10:45:59] <acctor> I have rpool mounted now, but /rpool/ROOT is empty, is that normal? I am trying to find /etc in the pool [10:46:02] <Triskelios> codestr0m: http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libast/common/stdio/ yes - it is [10:46:33] <codestr0m> oh yeah. ksh93 needs that.. I forget what was the issue there [10:46:59] <bimbo> where is the correct place to declare compiler variables (like CFLAGS) system-wide? [10:47:46] <Triskelios> bimbo: there isn't one. it's totally up to each individual build system [10:48:06] <x58> bimbo: Up to the user/administrator of the system! [10:48:41] *** yoursdai has joined #opensolaris [10:48:42] <Triskelios> bimbo: autotooled packages tend to respect environment variables, with inevitable exceptions [10:49:53] <x58> Triskelios: I have a good eye when I am asked to review code :P [10:50:00] *** Odin- has quit IRC [10:50:20] <e^ipi> well, you can't really review a patch file unless you have the original [10:50:23] <bimbo> I see, thank you [10:50:29] <x58> codestr0m: I am off to bed. Don't take my words to heavily, I am nowhere near as good as a programmer as some of the other people around here ... [10:50:46] <x58> e^ipi: Agreed. Just general stuff you can check out, entire functions for example were in the patch file. [10:51:26] <codestr0m> x58: thanks anyway. it's always appreciated to have quick review from non-pedants [10:52:07] <x58> codestr0m: One more thing, not sure if there is a style(9) you have to follow, some lines are over 80 characters ... FreeBSD devs are sticklers on shit like that. [10:52:09] <DTEIT> uhmm...solaris 10/08 started with a 32bit kernel instead of 64....is that normal?? [10:52:18] <DTEIT> the machine is a 64bit machine [10:52:20] <CosmicDJ> let your compiler/lint/testcases do the review ;) [10:53:02] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: true enough [10:53:10] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [10:53:22] *** Yorlik_extern has joined #opensolaris [10:53:26] <x58> Night! [10:53:32] <CosmicDJ> x58: gn8 [10:53:53] *** carl_ has joined #opensolaris [10:54:06] <CosmicDJ> DTEIT: a fully installed solaris10 boots (from your harddisk) into 32bit? [10:54:36] <DTEIT> no...the installer [10:54:48] <DTEIT> with sxce i had no problem [10:55:40] <e^ipi> codestr0m, i should think that you'd want a review from pedants as well [10:55:45] <e^ipi> so as to not introduce shit code in to thingsn [10:55:45] <CosmicDJ> my apples also boot into 64bit; my oranges don't [10:55:46] <e^ipi> *things [10:55:49] <evocallaghan> Hey, I am building nightly of 101 with the standard SS12 fully patched with all the patches on the Sun site. Is there any other patches I should know about [10:56:01] <e^ipi> pedantry is a feature when dealing with system software [10:56:04] <evocallaghan> I heard there is something to do with lint core dumping ? [10:56:34] <codestr0m> e^ipi: had any pedant of such features actually taken a look at the patch your reasoning would stand to benefit. .otherwise that same feature prevents them and is contradictory.. no? [10:56:40] <e^ipi> it's annoying when someone makes you go back and re-do things, but ultimately beneficial for everyone involved [10:57:18] <e^ipi> codestr0m: that made very little sense [10:57:59] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [10:58:10] <codestr0m> e^ipi: sorry I can't translate it into canadian.. [10:58:42] <e^ipi> or english, evidently [10:58:57] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris [10:59:42] <e^ipi> my point is essentially that on the one hand you posted a patch to an unknown file expecting that anyone would be able to understand things in a broader context, and on the other you ought to be grateful to the pedants for stopping you from doing sloppy things ( I know I am ) [11:01:20] <CosmicDJ> DTEIT: you should have your 64bit kernel running once you installed solaris10... [11:02:36] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [11:03:11] <DTEIT> CosmicDJ: i'm trying to boot....i was just thinking the boot process was the same as in the sxce [11:03:17] *** hsp_away is now known as hsp [11:06:30] *** bnitz1 has joined #opensolaris [11:07:35] <CosmicDJ> e^ipi: to sum it up; you're saying that such patches are only useful if the "audience" is into that shit and if you're not into that; lexical correctness parsing is better done by compilers than humans? [11:08:01] <e^ipi> code review is more than lexical correctness... compilers can do that [11:08:23] <e^ipi> the reason why one asks for code review is for the stuff that compilers /can't/ do [11:08:35] <CosmicDJ> sure but you can't review code you don't know... [11:08:40] <e^ipi> no, you can't [11:08:46] <e^ipi> hence why posting patches is useless [11:09:08] <CosmicDJ> unless you show it someone who's into that [11:10:03] <e^ipi> or someone with enough experience to bring themselves up to speed on it quickly [11:10:15] <e^ipi> if it's a minor isolated change that experience may not be that much [11:10:30] <e^ipi> if it's a major systemic change, you may need to get the guy that wrote the subsystem to review it [11:14:46] *** Yorlik_extern has quit IRC [11:15:50] <acctor> I've tried bootadm, and installgrub, does anyone know if there is a config file somewhere that tells the kernel where to load its ramdisk from? I rebuilt the ramdisk via the livecd [11:17:20] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [11:19:52] *** photon_chac has joined #opensolaris [11:22:20] <anilg> ?acctor: if you mean the x86.microroot file, you simply replace the earlier file and upon the next boot this file will be picked up [11:23:36] <anilg> if you want to keep the earlier one simply remane it to x86.microroot.bak or something [11:25:33] *** evocallaghan1 has joined #opensolaris [11:29:30] *** stux has joined #opensolaris [11:30:44] *** stux is now known as stux|away [11:32:03] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [11:32:38] <CosmicDJ> the "Bite swapping" improvenments look interessting -> http://blogs.sun.com/DanX/entry/optimizing_byte_swapping_for_fun [11:35:57] <acctor> anilg: how, and by whom is x86.microroot used? [11:36:44] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [11:37:27] <anilg> ?x86.microroot is basically what becomes ramboot on bootup.. this is a UFS formatted file, gunzipped file.. [11:37:41] <anilg> first gunzip it, and then lofi mount [11:37:57] <anilg> and you can see the ramdisk contents [11:38:02] *** evocallaghan2 has joined #opensolaris [11:38:03] <acctor> anilg: I am just trying to get my system to boot but I keep getting "cannot mount root path /ramdisk:a" [11:38:38] *** evocallaghan has quit IRC [11:39:39] *** evocallaghan2 is now known as evocallaghan [11:40:45] <anilg> oh that.. no then theres either an issue with the mounting of this file, or grub cant seem to get the kernel up [11:41:05] *** bnitz2 has joined #opensolaris [11:41:18] <anilg> do you get the "Opensolaris... blah" message? [11:41:24] <acctor> yup [11:41:32] <acctor> followed by a couple of ata0, ata1 messages [11:41:33] <acctor> then that [11:41:53] <anilg> hmm.. not sure what is the issue here [11:42:17] <acctor> no real message that communicates to me why the mount failed [11:42:32] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [11:42:48] *** yoursdai has quit IRC [11:45:38] <acctor> the installer won't run with my CD drive plugged in due to some media_errors I get when zpool import is run, it just keeps spinning on "Finding Disks" [11:46:19] *** evocallaghan1 has quit IRC [11:48:18] *** bnitz1 has quit IRC [11:50:28] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [11:54:11] *** Yorlik_extern has joined #opensolaris [12:07:55] <CosmicDJ> hehe right [12:07:58] <CosmicDJ> wc [12:09:05] *** photon_chac has quit IRC [12:17:19] *** acctor has quit IRC [12:19:59] *** __coredump__ has joined #opensolaris [12:21:55] *** Vagrant has quit IRC [12:25:18] *** __coredump__ has quit IRC [12:25:56] *** __coredump__ has joined #opensolaris [12:26:28] <__coredump__> mahlzeit [12:26:38] <CosmicDJ> mampf [12:30:13] *** bnitz1 has joined #opensolaris [12:33:16] *** berzerka has joined #opensolaris [12:37:11] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [12:37:43] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC [12:38:21] *** bnitz2 has quit IRC [12:38:47] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [12:43:11] *** __coredump__ has quit IRC [12:46:01] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [12:49:17] *** botox has joined #opensolaris [12:50:12] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [12:52:43] *** Gekz_ has joined #OpenSolaris [12:52:55] *** Gekz has quit IRC [12:53:00] *** Gekz_ is now known as Gekz [12:53:08] *** teo` has joined #opensolaris [12:53:54] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [12:55:41] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris [12:58:38] *** sophokles1 has joined #opensolaris [13:03:07] *** berzerka has quit IRC [13:06:29] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris [13:09:29] *** photon_chac has joined #opensolaris [13:13:02] <wewek> hi, I'm missing one package: SUNWipf. Do you know where I can get it? [13:13:13] *** Dar is now known as Dar_AFK [13:13:30] <wewek> I don't want to install it. just download [13:15:05] *** sophokles has quit IRC [13:19:42] * houst0n-_ yawns [13:19:45] <houst0n-_> Morning [13:20:06] <houst0n-_> wewek: Opensolaris or SXCE? [13:20:23] <wewek> houst0n-_: OpenSolaris [13:20:29] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [13:20:44] <houst0n-_> Erm, I don't think you can just download an ips package [13:20:52] <houst0n-_> They're no like SVR4 pkgs [13:20:59] <wewek> I see [13:21:03] <houst0n-_> not, even [13:21:27] <houst0n-_> It should be avail in the repo though [13:22:18] *** bimbo has quit IRC [13:23:21] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris [13:23:42] <CosmicDJ> http://pkg.opensolaris.org/info/0/SUNWipf at 0 dot 5.11,5.11-0.100:20081025T014712Z [13:23:51] <CosmicDJ> btw nice license -> "I hate legalese, don't you ? [13:23:55] <CosmicDJ> " [13:24:29] <wewek> :) thank you [13:25:38] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [13:31:56] <h3sp4wn> wewek: You could potentially setup a local repository [13:32:48] <h3sp4wn> wewek: Or build a new image with stuff removed and added [13:37:52] *** anilg has quit IRC [13:39:30] *** stux|away is now known as stux|work [13:42:46] <wewek> h3sp4wn: it's working now, thx [13:42:49] <wewek> :) [13:44:56] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris [13:46:46] *** lkthomas has joined #opensolaris [13:46:48] <lkthomas> hey guys [13:46:58] <lkthomas> we just realize that if scrub command is running during startup [13:47:00] <lkthomas> zfs will hang [13:47:16] <lkthomas> is it possible completely disable scrub command and let us copy all data out before rebuild the whole thing ? [13:48:08] <Stric> are you talking about 'zpool scrub somepool' in /etc/init.d/* (or SMF)? [13:48:33] <lkthomas> I don't know, but whenever shutdown not clear, it will scrub disk during startup [13:48:54] <lkthomas> can I disable using svcadm ? 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[15:01:24] <phimic> evocallaghan: yeah [15:01:28] *** aruiz has quit IRC [15:01:37] <evocallaghan> There are two packages to install [15:01:44] *** aruiz has joined #opensolaris [15:01:48] <phimic> evocallaghan: i already istalled this two packages [15:01:51] <evocallaghan> Remove both and install the new version in order. [15:01:53] <Cyrille> evocallaghan, by the way, did you get to the bottom of that rxvt or whatever build? [15:02:22] <evocallaghan> Cyrille:Yes. Fixed :) It was that one line. Many thanks for your help.. [15:02:28] <phimic> evocallaghan: the problem is that the modules seems not to be loaded at startup [15:02:36] <Cyrille> no problem, glad to hear it worked for you. [15:03:04] <evocallaghan> phimic:I think you may have to install the packages in order from the readme file. [15:03:22] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [15:03:31] <evocallaghan> Cyrille:I got a IRC chan reg now for my distro #auroraux [15:03:48] <evocallaghan> Feel free to hang out. [15:04:02] <phimic> evocallaghan: i read this readme and vbox works [15:04:17] <oxygene> anyone else seen segfaults in malloc on sxce b101? I get them regularily here.. [15:04:18] <phimic> evocallaghan: the problem occurs only after reboot [15:04:20] <evocallaghan> phimic:Just the reboot problem. I understand [15:04:43] <phimic> evocallaghan: i use opensolaris 11.08 svn99 [15:04:45] <evocallaghan> phimic:What build of solaris and what version of vbox ? [15:04:48] <evocallaghan> Oh ok [15:04:58] <evocallaghan> and vbox ? [15:05:08] <phimic> evocallaghan: vbox is 2.0.4 [15:05:27] <evocallaghan> Can you update to 100a just to be safe. [15:06:07] <phimic> evocallaghan: i never did a update in opensolaris before ;) [15:06:28] <phimic> evocallaghan: is this an easy task? [15:06:59] <evocallaghan> phimic:Yes. pfexec pkg refresh ; pfexec pkg image-update [15:07:58] <phimic> evocallaghan: ok i will do this [15:08:51] *** MattMan has quit IRC [15:09:27] <evocallaghan> lol ^ [15:20:16] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** Animal-X_ has joined #opensolaris [15:22:27] *** hrist has quit IRC [15:32:50] *** X-Istence has joined #opensolaris [15:32:57] *** x58 has quit IRC [15:33:50] *** Erwann has quit IRC [15:35:45] *** netj has quit IRC [15:37:18] *** Animal-X has quit IRC [15:38:51] *** Yorlik_extern has quit IRC [15:42:32] *** tCzern has joined #opensolaris [15:43:06] *** Animal-X_ has quit IRC [15:44:13] *** calAFK is now known as calumb [15:46:55] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris [15:52:44] <botox> anyone here used hpasm? [15:54:14] <throwt> heh, briefly [15:54:31] <botox> one of the nodes has the dimm lit up. [15:54:36] <botox> memtest finds nothing [15:55:12] <botox> i have md5'd from memory (dd) as a quick and dirty memtest and the checksum is indeed different [15:55:22] <botox> however, hplog -v reports nothing [15:55:25] <botox> nothing in messages either [15:55:32] <botox> really puzzling [15:57:12] <throwt> you only used hplog? [15:59:13] <botox> what else is there? [15:59:20] <botox> hpimlview reports the same stuff [15:59:30] <botox> nothing of any verbosity... 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[16:47:13] <tCzern> I am trying to run the live CD [16:47:42] <throwt> what's your question>? [16:48:06] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [16:48:20] *** aruiz has quit IRC [16:49:13] <tCzern> Warning: /pci@0 and so on, (DISK1): Error for command 'read sector' Error Level: Informational Sense Key: aborted command Vendor 'Gen-ATA' error code: 0x3 [16:49:22] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [16:49:48] <Stric> tCzern: broken disc or reader? [16:50:26] <tCzern> dunno, I have Windows XP on this, it runs fine. However, I have a second Disk which reads very slow, could this cause the reason? [16:50:42] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [16:50:49] <Stric> your hardware is reporting problems reading a sector [16:50:49] <throwt> It says Informational [16:50:52] <tCzern> cause the reason - that's a good one, [16:51:01] <tCzern> ok [16:51:14] <tCzern> hhm ...? 9.9 [16:51:17] <Stric> so either the reader is having problems, or the disc [16:51:26] <Cyrille> well strictly speaking, it says "warning", "error" AND "informational"... [16:51:55] <tCzern> it stopped everything [16:52:04] <tCzern> what is a reader? a head of a disc? [16:52:22] <Stric> your cd drive [16:52:43] <Stric> the thing that you put the circular thingie into ;) [16:52:54] <tCzern> aah, that one, haha [16:52:59] *** X-Istence is now known as x58 [16:53:06] <tCzern> could the CD be corrupted too? [16:53:22] <tCzern> I had a bad Suse download recently [16:54:04] <tCzern> but wait, it refers to some PCI stuff [16:54:53] <throwt> full device path [16:54:56] <throwt> its connected to pci [16:55:48] <tCzern> I recently broke one of the pins of a disk which is in this box, and I skillfully soldered it back on, could that cause such errors? [16:55:55] <tCzern> full path, hold on ... [16:56:08] *** mikl has quit IRC [16:56:42] <throwt> no, im just saying, its the full device path that it showed tyou [16:57:40] <tCzern> d [16:57:50] <tCzern> cannot past it here [16:58:29] *** Openfree has quit IRC [16:58:33] <tCzern> http://pastebin.com/m7c13c00 [16:58:55] *** otep has quit IRC [16:59:06] <CIA-58> Jonathan Haslam <Jonathan.Haslam at Sun dot COM>: 6738982 Representative thread after DTrace stop() action is incorrect, 6737974 DTrace probe module globbing doesn't work, 6730287 tst/common/printf/tst.str.d needs to be updated for ZFS boot, Contributed by Chad Mynhier <cmynhier at gmail dot com> [16:59:39] <tCzern> there are more warnings, some end with (ata3): timeout:abort request, target=0 lun=0 [16:59:49] *** stux|away has quit IRC [17:00:19] *** hrist has quit IRC [17:00:22] *** tynar has quit IRC [17:01:04] *** hrist has joined #opensolaris [17:01:25] <tCzern> http://pastebin.com/m3d73848f [17:05:12] <tomww> I'm wondering if SXCE runs on a Asus 1000H ... 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I was able to fix this on another opensolaris, but can't remember how [18:28:47] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [18:28:50] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [18:30:09] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [18:30:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [18:31:02] *** mikefut has quit IRC [18:32:01] *** foo_bar has left #OpenSolaris [18:32:26] *** cmihai has quit IRC [18:36:02] <eirikb> I find it a bit strange that this is a issue on a "developers" OS, and on netbeans. [18:36:30] *** teo` has quit IRC [18:38:00] *** vmlemon___ has joined #opensolaris [18:40:06] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [18:40:14] *** Odin- has quit IRC [18:40:22] *** vmlemon___ is now known as vmlemon_ [18:40:58] *** topgun17 has joined #opensolaris [18:41:44] <topgun17> How does one go about enabling root logins from the gnome login window? [18:42:30] <eirikb> Isn't root just a group, not a user? [18:43:10] <_mary_kate_> eirikb: no [18:43:13] <spiff> it's a role. [18:43:19] <_mary_kate_> but on 2008.05, you can't log in with it by default [18:43:32] <eirikb> A role I mean! :D [18:43:47] <_mary_kate_> well, a role is just an account with an entry in user_attr... you can make it not a role ;) [18:44:01] <_mary_kate_> but i don't remember the command off hand. i guess just removing the entry and setting a password would work [18:44:59] *** topgun17_ has joined #opensolaris [18:45:15] *** Inhetep has joined #opensolaris [18:49:51] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [18:52:26] *** yarihm has quit IRC [18:53:52] *** topgun17_ has quit IRC [18:54:06] *** jfndi has joined #opensolaris [18:54:16] *** topgun17 has quit IRC [18:57:15] *** swankier has joined #opensolaris [18:57:29] <swankier> do I have to do something to make /dev/zvol ? [18:57:46] <swankier> all the iscsi instructions I can find make reference to here, but I cannot find it in my file system [18:58:12] <swankier> I'm trying to run a command such as: iscsitadm create target -b /dev/zvol/pool/storage export [18:58:40] *** piwi has quit IRC [18:58:49] *** bnitz2 has joined #opensolaris [18:59:04] <CIA-58> Yang-Rong Jerry Zhou <Yangrong.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: 6758084 No sound from speakers on Dell Latitude D630 [18:59:06] <CIA-58> gww <gww at eng dot sun.com>: 6764669 6715808 didn't update the comments to reflect the new defaults [18:59:06] <mui> zfs set shareiscsi=on :P [18:59:07] <CIA-58> Tim Haley <Tim.Haley at Sun dot COM>: 6764159 restore_object() makes a call that can block while having a tx open but not yet committed [18:59:57] *** bnitz1 has quit IRC [19:00:41] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [19:00:51] <swankier> mui... yes [19:00:58] <swankier> mui... but then I have to create an iscsitarget, right? [19:00:59] *** dvz has joined #opensolaris [19:01:09] <mui> um. nope [19:01:12] *** niq has quit IRC [19:01:23] <mui> after you set shareiscsi=on you have iscsi target [19:01:30] <swankier> according to this document, I do: http://wikis.sun.com/display/BluePrints/Provisioning+with+iSCSI+and+Solaris+ZFS+in+10+Minutes [19:01:31] <mui> iscsitadm list target [19:01:59] <swankier> mui... you've set this up before? [19:02:02] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris [19:02:05] <mui> yes. [19:02:13] <mui> that create target is obsolete [19:02:25] <mui> see it yourself, list targets [19:02:26] <mui> should be there [19:02:47] <swankier> I do not see it [19:02:55] <mui> is your iscsitgt running [19:03:53] <swankier> root@san1:/dev# svcs | grep iscsit [19:03:53] <swankier> online 8:26:28 svc:/system/iscsitgt:default [19:04:14] <swankier> root@san1:/dev# zfs set shareiscsi=on pool/storage [19:04:22] <mui> zfs get shareiscsi pool/storage [19:04:37] <swankier> root@san1:/dev# zfs get shareiscsi pool/storage [19:04:37] <swankier> NAME PROPERTY VALUE SOURCE [19:04:38] <swankier> pool/storage shareiscsi on local [19:04:54] <throwt> heh, those generic names are awesome [19:05:00] <swankier> iscsitadm list target shows nothing [19:05:09] <mui> zfs get reservation pool/storage [19:05:26] <swankier> root@san1:/dev# zfs get reservation pool/storage [19:05:26] <swankier> NAME PROPERTY VALUE SOURCE [19:05:26] <swankier> pool/storage reservation none default [19:05:30] <mui> thats your problem [19:05:30] <swankier> throwt: thanks. [19:05:37] <mui> you didnt set reservation while creating volume [19:05:50] <swankier> what general zfs knowledge am I missing? [19:05:54] <swankier> what the heck is a reservation [19:05:55] <swankier> ? [19:05:57] <mui> it can be set like, zfs create -V 10g pool/data [19:06:03] <_mary_kate_> swankier: did you create a volume or a filesystem? [19:06:08] <mui> iscsi volume cannot be dynamic spacewise [19:06:17] <_mary_kate_> mui: well, it sort of can using sparse volumes [19:06:35] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [19:06:37] <swankier> _mary_kate_: I'm afraid I don't know how to answer that for you, or why there's a differentiation [19:06:38] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [19:06:47] <swankier> I'd be happy to wipe out these pools and start again, obviously [19:06:54] <_mary_kate_> swankier: a filesystem is a filesystem. a volume is like a virtual block device (hard disk) [19:06:59] <mui> yea [19:07:04] <_mary_kate_> swankier: since iscsi is a block level protocol, you need a volume to use iscsi [19:07:07] <swankier> and the difference is making it with zpool or zfs? [19:07:08] <_mary_kate_> use the command mui showed to create one [19:07:11] <_mary_kate_> no [19:07:14] <_mary_kate_> the different is -V creates a volume [19:07:19] <swankier> oh. [19:07:26] <_mary_kate_> (and you have to specify the size) [19:08:59] *** anilg has quit IRC [19:09:47] <swankier> <3 [19:09:49] <swankier> thanks guys. [19:10:42] <holcomb> why am i getting this now while jumpstarting anything with zfs root: boot: cannot open kernel/unix [19:10:43] <swankier> I really need to read through these man pages another time or two [19:10:45] <holcomb> worked for 99 [19:10:55] *** Inhetep has left #opensolaris [19:11:33] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [19:12:55] <swankier> sorry, one more quesiton... [19:13:02] <swankier> what do I tell esx in order to get it to mount this? [19:13:07] *** FastJack has quit IRC [19:14:55] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris [19:15:12] *** bahumbug has quit IRC [19:18:12] <tCzern> Hello, running the live cd, could someone tell me if there is driver support for the following soundcard: M-Audio Delta 66? [19:18:19] <tCzern> I have no connection to the web right now [19:18:35] <tCzern> well, writing from a Mac [19:18:41] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [19:19:17] <_mary_kate_> swankier: no idea about ESX, but one other thing you might want to look at is -s. it creates a sparse volume, meaning it takes no space on disk until it's used (like a filesystem) [19:19:28] <_mary_kate_> so you can create a 1TB volume on your 100GB pool, and add storage later when required [19:19:44] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [19:24:00] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris [19:25:16] *** mshadle has left #opensolaris [19:26:32] *** jfndi has quit IRC [19:26:51] <Alasdairrr> Has anyone here used "zoneadm clone" on ZFS successfully before? I must be missing a trick here, it seems to just copy the data rather than perform a zfs snapshot/clone. [19:27:33] <tCzern> the live CD at OpenSolaris, is this Solaris 10 x86 ? [19:27:48] <TomJ> tCzern: no, it's OpenSolaris [19:28:29] <tCzern> http://www.opensound.com/download.cgi I clicked on OpenSolaris (x86/AMD64) [19:29:09] <tCzern> not sure what I need from opensound ... [19:29:35] <holcomb> Alasdairrr: works for me. [19:30:30] <jbit> tCzern: it's close enough [19:30:44] *** pably has joined #opensolaris [19:30:50] <tCzern> it down loaded with the extension pkg [19:30:52] <pably> anybody there ? [19:31:07] <tCzern> is that an installer like on OSX? [19:31:35] <tCzern> I am new to this, you can tell .. [19:31:41] <pably> does opensolaris require primary partition(a must) for installation ? [19:31:51] *** swa_work has quit IRC [19:31:54] *** tolstoy has joined #opensolaris [19:31:54] <jbit> tCzern: it's a svr4 package [19:32:14] *** Odin- has quit IRC [19:32:29] <jbit> tCzern: you can install it with "pkgadd -d myfile.pkg" [19:32:43] <tCzern> thanks! [19:32:56] <tCzern> and where could I find the driver for m-audio midisport 2x2, it is not on the M-audio web site [19:33:04] <tolstoy> Hi Folks: I installed OpenSolaris on a VMWare Fusion instance, then issued "pkg image-update" and I get an out of space error. Is there a way to get around that? [19:33:26] <pably> jbit ^^^ [19:33:39] <pably> any thoughts [19:33:43] <jbit> no idea :) [19:33:49] <pably> no no [19:33:54] <tolstoy> I added another 12 gigs to the drive, but still get the area. Weird. [19:34:01] <pably> jbit pably> does opensolaris require primary partition(a must) for installation ? [19:34:07] <jbit> pably: yeah i saw, don't know [19:34:13] <tolstoy> Maybe there's a different way to update all the packages? [19:34:15] <jbit> i'd assume no [19:34:37] <pably> jbit in which partition have you installed it ?! [19:34:37] <jbit> since grub supports logical partitions [19:34:55] <jbit> pably: all the solaris boxes i've setup only run solaris and "own" the entire disks [19:35:03] <jbit> i don't even think they have dos partition tables [19:35:13] <pably> jbit oh.. anyway thanks [19:35:24] <jbit> but grub should boot from anywhere [19:35:36] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris [19:35:46] <pably> jbit I have a noob question if you dont mind answering it, can I ask ? [19:36:01] <jbit> maybe, i'm not really a solaris expert though :) [19:36:05] <jbit> used it for like a few weeks :) [19:36:23] <pably> is it suitable as desktop OS [19:36:26] <pably> ? [19:36:30] *** FastJack has quit IRC [19:36:38] <jbit> yes, depending on your definition :) [19:36:48] <pably> for Home purpose [19:36:52] <bubbva> pably: it's my primary desktop at home & work (yes, I do work for Sun, but they don't make me use it at home) [19:36:59] <bubbva> they only thing I use my Mac for: itunes. [19:37:05] <jbit> i think solaris' random hardware support is worse than linux's [19:37:09] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris [19:37:30] <pably> bubbva ur input is much appreciated :) [19:37:38] <Alasdairrr> Solaris works on pretty much all Sun hardware though jbit :) [19:37:39] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc [19:37:40] <Alasdairrr> Buy sun servers [19:37:49] <Asako> yeah [19:37:50] <jbit> Alasdairrr: sun hardware isn't "random hardware" :) [19:37:50] *** Kill_All_Humans has quit IRC [19:38:02] <Asako> it's just like Apple, it works best on what they make [19:38:12] <Alasdairrr> They're trying hard - it's not easy. There are billions of devices out there. [19:38:13] <jbit> i meant more devices though [19:38:16] <Asako> the XFire servers are sexy [19:38:19] <jbit> like scanners, printers, webcams, etc [19:38:22] <bubbva> I also run it on my Toshiba laptop. [19:38:40] <jbit> all the random usb/etc crap "consumers" have laying about that need their own unique driver [19:38:50] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris [19:39:45] <jbit> although i guess with cups and sane most printers & scanners are covered [19:40:14] <bubbva> it's funny, I can't print to my HP printer from my Mac, but can from Solaris/SPARC [19:40:22] <jbit> ;) [19:40:28] <jbit> doesnt' osx use cups though? [19:40:32] <bubbva> and supposedly my Mac has the latest driver for that printer, but it's old. [19:40:41] <pably> bubbva so opensolaris requires only primary partition for installation ? [19:40:43] <bubbva> not sure - it attaches and prints 1/2 of the first page, then that's it... [19:40:48] <tolstoy> Ah. It seems that the out-of-space for pkg image-update has to do with RAM, not disk space. How to configure a swap partition.... [19:40:57] <Asako> pably, you don't even need partitions [19:41:02] *** prav33n has joined #opensolaris [19:41:02] <Asako> zfs uses raw disks [19:41:04] <bubbva> pably: I'm not the best to ask on that, as I am only running solaris on those boxes [19:41:12] <pably> damn! [19:41:28] <jbit> pably: it can use partitions though [19:41:35] <jbit> it doesnt' require a raw disk [19:41:41] <pably> everyone here is using entire disk for solaris ? o.O [19:41:58] * jbit uses four disks for "solaris" in his server :) [19:42:01] <Asako> two of them, mirrored [19:42:04] <jbit> one boot, three raidZ [19:42:19] <jbit> partitions seemed pointless [19:42:43] <prav33n> I am running OpenSolaris snv_100 and my clock is incorrect after the daylight savings change [19:42:47] * jbit decides 19:45 is a good time to leave work [19:42:57] <prav33n> Should I upgrade some timezone data files? [19:43:10] <pably> have allocatted 25GB free space for opensolaris but it doesnt showup will install'ng [19:43:32] <pably> logical [19:43:39] *** chubs has joined #opensolaris [19:44:37] *** calumb has quit IRC [19:44:47] <bubbva> prav33n : odd, I haven' [19:45:00] <bubbva> haven't heard of a DST issue. my solaris boxes all changed [19:45:09] *** bedlam has quit IRC [19:45:48] <alanc> there were recent DST changes in some countries - Brazil & Argentina I think [19:46:14] <alanc> US timezones should all be correct in nv_100 though [19:46:41] <prav33n> bubbva, My local clock is 9:47 am (PST) and GMT is shown as 17:47 [19:47:00] <prav33n> Whereas actual local time is 10:47 and the GMT is 18:47 [19:47:22] <prav33n> Maybe I should change the clock manually? [19:47:24] <alanc> TZ=US/Pacific ? [19:47:42] <prav33n> alanc, Where do I check the timezone settings? [19:47:52] <prav33n> configuration file [19:47:55] <alanc> in /etc/TIMEZONE [19:48:05] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [19:48:18] <prav33n> alanc, Yeah US/Pacific [19:48:32] <prav33n> My hardware clock is not set to UTC [19:49:12] *** bedlam has joined #opensolaris [19:49:42] <prav33n> I have ntpdate and ntpq on the system [19:49:50] <prav33n> However I am not sure about the status of ntp [19:51:17] <tCzern> anyone here who uses winehq? or, can OpenSolaris run windows or mac applications ? [19:51:34] <prav33n> bubbva, alanc - I just ran ntpdate and manually synced the time. Thanks for your pointers [19:51:50] <bubbva> cool [19:52:20] <alanc> sorry couldn't help more - I have seen my laptop gets confused when dual-booting Solaris & Windows, and both try to adjust for DST and drop an extra hour [19:52:45] <prav33n> alanc, Oh, okay. That might answer the question [19:52:56] <prav33n> alanc, I dual boot Linux/OpenSolaris [19:53:03] <prav33n> alanc, Would that be a bug then? [19:53:30] <alanc> maybe - I don't know enough about how different OS'es are supposed to manage the system clock [19:53:52] <tCzern> ok, you can run windows exe on Solaris with this http://blogs.sun.com/psum/entry/let_s_check_out_wine [19:53:54] <prav33n> alanc, Thanks. That explains the issue [19:54:24] *** pably has quit IRC [19:55:15] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [19:57:19] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [19:59:02] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris [20:02:00] *** capaz has quit IRC [20:02:59] *** cabrioleur has joined #opensolaris [20:04:59] *** sah-work has joined #opensolaris [20:06:46] *** chubs has quit IRC [20:07:31] *** gonzzor has joined #opensolaris [20:10:11] *** Disorganized_ has quit IRC [20:10:33] <gonzzor> I've just installed OpenSolaris on a USB memory, but when I reboot, I only get the GRUB shell prompt? Any hints on what I can do to fix this problem? [20:13:00] *** chubs has joined #opensolaris [20:15:55] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris [20:16:02] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris [20:16:34] *** Ouroboros has joined #opensolaris [20:18:02] *** Steffy has joined #opensolaris [20:18:36] *** tolstoy has quit IRC [20:20:25] <Steffy> can anybody offer a noob some help? [20:20:31] <throwt> ask [20:21:28] <Steffy> I have a dual-boot system on my laptop and need to remove OpenSolaris from my HDD without affecting my main OS... [20:22:00] <Ouroboros> i have nge0 configured by dhcp; overnight the interface lost its IP somehow and did not get it back, svcadm restart network/physical fixed it, any idea how this could have happened? [20:22:50] <eirikb> Steffy: It's a paradox. Your main OS should be Opensolaris ;) [20:23:23] <throwt> reclaim the partition in your main os [20:23:34] <smtms> throwt, it's about booting I think [20:23:45] <Steffy> eirikb, XD [20:23:45] *** jgracin has quit IRC [20:24:20] *** chubs has quit IRC [20:24:41] <eirikb> I would say it depends on the other OS. Linux = gparted and windows = Partiiton Magix? [20:25:42] *** twisti has joined #opensolaris [20:26:01] <Steffy> eirikb, it's Vista. I'm guessing it won't be as simple as format the Linux partitions? [20:26:14] <jbit> i think gparted works on solaris too, if you're so inclined [20:26:26] <eirikb> I think it should work [20:26:31] <Ouroboros> Steffy: it is, unless you also want to merge them with your main partition [20:26:56] <eirikb> Ouroboros: How about formating, then removing and then expanding the main one? [20:27:02] <Steffy> Ouroboros, really? What abotu the GRUB loader? [20:27:15] <Ouroboros> Steffy: that is a separate issue [20:27:25] <eirikb> Steffy: I don't think you need to touch the MBR, grub should work just fine? [20:27:38] <Ouroboros> eirikb: should work i guess, but i dont trust partition magic much :) [20:27:50] <eirikb> Ouroboros: That's true [20:28:03] *** Dar_AFK has quit IRC [20:28:07] <Steffy> hmm [20:28:33] <Ouroboros> so back to my question: when i checked nge0, it has an address of 0.0.0.0 and "ifconfig nge0 dhcp status" reported "not under dhcp control" [20:28:42] <jbit> doesn' grub stage1 need to know where stage 2 is? [20:28:47] <Ouroboros> it seems like the IP expired, but it did not attempt to reclaim it? [20:28:57] <eirikb> Steffy: And if grub fails, haven't windows some boot-record -fix? (As in recovery and hit bootfix, fixboot...) [20:29:27] <eirikb> jbit: If he has windows already in grub as a option that should be sufficent to stage two, or am I mistaken [20:29:39] <jbit> eirikb: i think you're mistaken [20:29:42] <eirikb> :( [20:30:02] <Steffy> eirikb, yes there is if one has a recovery disc...which I was never given when I bought my laptop :( [20:30:21] <eirikb> Steffy: I see. [20:30:48] <Ouroboros> isnt stage1 not part of the / partition? [20:30:51] <eirikb> How about creating a small partition just for a new grub? :) [20:30:51] <Ouroboros> stage2 i mean [20:31:09] *** Disorganized_ has joined #OpenSolaris [20:32:57] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [20:33:37] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [20:34:15] *** Disorganized has quit IRC [20:34:51] <Steffy> By the way, reason I want to remove OpenSolaris as a secondary OS is becauase I can't find any damn drivers for it to run efficiently! I need ACPI, Broadcom Netlink Gigabit Ethernet (wired LAN adapter) AND sound drivers... [20:35:07] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [20:35:45] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris [20:35:51] <Ouroboros> some of those should work.. [20:35:57] *** sophokles1 has quit IRC [20:36:15] <Steffy> (using an Acer Aspire 7720 laptop) [20:38:15] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris [20:39:52] *** nachox has quit IRC [20:42:47] *** jv_ has quit IRC [20:43:03] * Steffy is going to try your suggestions [20:43:21] *** Steffy has quit IRC [20:43:26] *** Ouroboros has quit IRC [20:43:48] *** AstroTux has joined #opensolaris [20:43:57] *** Auralis_ has joined #opensolaris [20:44:09] <AstroTux> openSolaris and Linux Apps - does it support Project Janus? [20:46:06] *** BBHoss has quit IRC [20:46:45] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris [20:47:54] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris [20:48:46] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [20:48:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o e^ipi [20:49:19] <gonzzor> What could be wrong if I only get the grub prompt but no menu after a fresh install? [20:51:17] <AstroTux> Bad graphics mode? [20:52:34] <gonzzor> Don't think that is the problem, but I could always check it.. [20:52:45] <Triskelios> AstroTux: janus became lx branded zones [20:53:48] <AstroTux> @Triskelios: OK! Dumb question: how do I get it working on oS? [20:54:06] <Triskelios> gonzzor: try installgrub or http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/image-update/ update_grub if this is post-upgrade [20:54:22] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [20:54:23] <Triskelios> AstroTux: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/install/ [20:54:27] <Triskelios> bbl [20:54:41] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [20:55:07] *** jv_ has joined #opensolaris [20:56:45] *** rpage has quit IRC [20:57:07] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris [20:58:59] <CIA-58> Ramesh Kumar Katla <Ramesh.K at Sun dot COM>: 6690022 IPMP doesn't recover on router failover as arp entry is not updated by GARP. [20:59:03] *** Auralis has quit IRC [20:59:52] *** derchris has quit IRC [21:07:35] *** wms has quit IRC [21:10:22] *** luna1 has quit IRC [21:11:11] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris [21:13:32] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [21:13:35] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [21:16:32] *** ejray_ has joined #opensolaris [21:21:56] <AstroTux> Dumb question #2: Is it possible to run OpenSolaris as a copy of itself in a Zone? [21:22:24] <TomJ> what does that mean? [21:22:30] <quasi> AstroTux: almost, but not quite [21:22:43] <quasi> AstroTux: inhert-dir [21:22:57] *** Disorganized_ has quit IRC [21:23:07] <quasi> AstroTux: although that's still a bit broken on 2008.something [21:23:15] <AstroTux> quasi: OK [21:23:33] *** ericjray has quit IRC [21:23:37] <AstroTux> quasi: So I create a zone, then tell it to inherit-dir and it shuold be good? [21:23:56] <quasi> AstroTux: it needs to be done as part of the original zone config [21:24:02] <AstroTux> quasi: OK [21:24:09] *** glguy is now known as glguy_ [21:24:21] <AstroTux> quasi: Is there anything to do after that? [21:24:44] *** leptir has joined #opensolaris [21:25:00] <AstroTux> TomJ: Zones rae a form of VM [21:25:01] *** sal_e7stud has joined #opensolaris [21:25:12] *** leptir has quit IRC [21:25:25] <AstroTux> TomJ: They're more secure though as they seperate process memory [21:25:52] <AstroTux> TomJ: The whole thing is managed from the outer Zone (the base OS that it is running on) [21:25:55] <quasi> AstroTux: you're looking for sparse zones [21:26:04] <quasi> AstroTux: as opposed to whole root [21:26:07] <AstroTux> quasi: ? [21:26:27] <quasi> AstroTux: reed the docs or something [21:26:42] <AstroTux> quasi: Sure! hmmm "man zonecfg"? [21:27:03] *** leptir has joined #opensolaris [21:27:08] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [21:27:20] <quasi> docs.sun.com is another option [21:28:40] <AstroTux> quasi: man doesn't seem to suggest that it can do sparse zones [21:29:04] <TomJ> AstroTux: thanks, I have about 1000 of them [21:29:05] <AstroTux> quasi;: Would I be correct in thinking a compromise of a zone is limited to that zone, as would occur with a full VM? [21:29:12] <TomJ> AstroTux: I meant what did you mean by 'copy' [21:29:34] <AstroTux> TomJ: heh - sorry :) [21:30:00] <AstroTux> TomJ: "copy" as in, run OS in a VM so it can run native OS servers [21:30:07] <TomJ> I didnt know if you meant you wanted it to share the static operating system files - which is what inherit-dir does - or if you wanted a complete replication - config and all - of your global zone [21:30:20] <AstroTux> TomJ: whilst having the benefit of VM security [21:30:34] <gonzzor> Is it possible to list devices as reported by the bios? [21:30:37] <quasi> AstroTux: yeah [21:30:41] <AstroTux> TomJ: Share the base files, but run processes seperately ithin it [21:30:54] <TomJ> right, that's the default mode of a shared root zone (inherit-pkg-dir) [21:31:00] *** coffman has quit IRC [21:31:05] <TomJ> just creating a zone in the normal manner will do that for /lib, /platform, /usr [21:31:08] <AstroTux> TomJ: Nice! [21:31:35] <TomJ> if you do create -b in the zonecfg it wont create those inherit-pkg-dirs and you get a whole root zone, which has local copies of all files, and thus can have fewer or more base packages [21:31:41] <AstroTux> TomJ: So all I@d need to do then is start the server from the VM? [21:32:00] <TomJ> create the zone, boot the zone, start whatever service you want in the zone [21:32:05] *** ejray__ has joined #opensolaris [21:32:15] <AstroTux> TomJ: Great! [21:33:17] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [21:33:22] <AstroTux> TomJ: in that case, if I was malicious and managed to write to that file system within that zone, is the file written to the real location, or just a location within that zone? [21:33:51] <TomJ> your zone has a zonepath, which is a directory on the host. the zone is restricted to within that path, and cannot possibly write outside it [21:33:53] <dvz> i think that currently in opensolaris there are only ipkg brand zones available [21:33:57] <TomJ> e.g. /zones/my_zone appears as / in my_zone [21:34:03] *** vmlemon__ has joined #opensolaris [21:34:05] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [21:34:17] <dvz> no sparse zones i believe [21:34:27] <TomJ> dvz: wow that blows [21:34:28] <AstroTux> TomJ: I see, so writing to /usr/bin within my_zone would acrually write to /export/my_zone/usr/bin ? [21:34:34] <TomJ> AstroTux: yes [21:34:36] <quasi> dvz: correct [21:34:50] <quasi> dvz: 21:24 < quasi> AstroTux: although that's still a bit broken on 2008.something [21:34:50] <TomJ> AstroTux: although if you have a sparse zone, in fact you wouldnt be able to write to /usr/bin in the zone (because it is shared read only from the global zone) [21:35:02] <AstroTux> quasi: OK- what avout the full Solaris 10? DVDs on order... [21:35:12] <TomJ> Work just great in Solaris 10 [21:35:12] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [21:35:22] <quasi> AstroTux: that's fine [21:35:22] <AstroTux> TomJ: OK - so any directory in the zone is read-only then? [21:35:31] <TomJ> AstroTux: no, not any directory, just those that are inherit-pkg-dir [21:35:39] <quasi> AstroTux: as is SXCE [21:35:40] <TomJ> wihch by default woould be /lib, /usr and /platform [21:35:52] *** ejray__ has quit IRC [21:35:56] <TomJ> I also always have /opt as inherit-pkg-dir [21:36:06] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris [21:36:06] <TomJ> so I can install packages in the global and have them available to all zones [21:36:12] <AstroTux> TomJ :OK, so if the directory is NOT ^^^^ then it creates a copy local to that zone and not on the "real" file system? [21:36:20] <TomJ> but for example /usr/local would always be local to each zone, as would /etc, /var, and / itself [21:37:07] <TomJ> AstroTux: yes. during zone installation it will make /export/my_zone/etc, /export/my_zone/var, /export/my_zone/usr - the latter, usr, would be a read-only mount from the real /usr, the others are purely local to the zone [21:37:22] <TomJ> you can thus manipualte zone files directly from the global by going to /export/my_zone/etc (for example) and changing files [21:37:30] <AstroTux> If a directory is NOT inherit-pgk-dir, then it can't be seen from the zone? [21:37:33] <AstroTux> TomJ :OK [21:37:37] <quasi> TomJ: bzzzzt - /usr/local gets to be a copy of the global because of inherit-pkg-dir /usr [21:37:53] *** glguy_ is now known as glguy [21:37:53] <TomJ> quasi: true, you have to add that as a lofs specifically [21:38:06] <quasi> TomJ: yup [21:38:16] <quasi> TomJ: or do the evil symlink trick [21:39:29] <AstroTux> If a directory is NOT inherit-pgk-dir, then it can't be seen from the zone? [21:39:33] <TomJ> AstroTux: the zone can only see stuff under /export/my_zones/ and never anything outisde, unelss you specifically make other dirs available via a "loopback filesystem" mount (lofs) - which takes a normal host directory and mounts it to a sceond place, in this case within the /export/my_zones hieraychy. that's what inehrit-pkg-dir does implicitly [21:39:33] *** ejray_ has quit IRC [21:39:53] <TomJ> or to be more simple, it can NEVer seen anything outside /export/my_zones. [21:40:04] <TomJ> (but it can see file systems you mount into /export/my_zones/) [21:40:04] <AstroTux> TomJ: I see [21:40:15] <AstroTux> TomJ: OK - that makes sense [21:40:42] <AstroTux> What are the wroite permisisons then? THe same as the source? [21:40:57] <sal_e7stud> has anyone used the hadoop livecd? [21:41:12] <TomJ> AstroTux: I recommend this howto/intro guide: http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/containersLowRes.jsp [21:41:36] <AstroTux> TomJ: Thanks! :) [21:41:54] <TomJ> AstroTux: an inherit-pkg-dir is always a read-only mount. a lofs mount you create yourself can either be read only or read write, if it's read write then yes the file permissions are identical to what they are on the source for that directory [21:42:04] <TomJ> so root in the zone can act as root in that directory [21:42:25] <TomJ> so normally you would not lofs mount read-write any shared part of the host filesystem [21:42:50] *** topgun17 has joined #opensolaris [21:42:57] <AstroTux> TomJ: OK! [21:43:14] <AstroTux> TomJ: On another topic... do you know of any good links explaining the folder structure of the OS? [21:43:28] <topgun17> is svn_101 on the ips servers yet? [21:43:30] <AstroTux> TomJ: I'm still a bit lost as to what is put where [21:43:35] *** Gekz has quit IRC [21:44:01] <TomJ> there's a manpage for that I'm sure [21:44:18] <AstroTux> so "man <dir>"? [21:44:22] <TomJ> no [21:44:24] <AstroTux> man /etc [21:44:25] <TomJ> one man page [21:44:27] <TomJ> cant remember the name [21:44:28] <AstroTux> Oh [21:45:27] <MindDrive> topgun, I suspect 101 for IPS is another week off or so... [21:46:08] <topgun17> thanks MindDrive. I'lkl keepo a look out [21:46:39] *** clyons has quit IRC [21:46:52] <dvz> astrotux: man filesystem [21:46:59] <TomJ> oh it's just man filesystem [21:47:01] <TomJ> yeah [21:47:17] *** clyons has joined #opensolaris [21:47:30] <AstroTux> TomJ: I was just getting to that one! hehe [21:47:45] <AstroTux> Nice! [21:48:08] <topgun17> Does any one know how i can install gnomeburner? [21:49:41] <dvz> you mean gnomebaker? [21:50:11] *** hsp has quit IRC [21:50:36] <topgun17> yes dvx I mean gnomebaker [21:51:56] <dvz> i don't know about any packages flying around, but it should be possible to compile it from source [21:51:59] *** mikefut has quit IRC [21:52:32] <_mary_kate_> nice... if i buy a J4500 array, i get ZFS for free! [21:52:34] <_mary_kate_> what a great deal [21:52:51] <Alasdairrr> it is [21:52:52] <dvz> topgun17 and if you manage to do that, send me a copy :) [21:53:20] <topgun17> dvx: i found it in the ips system [21:56:01] *** sal_e7stud has quit IRC [21:56:04] <dvz> i can't find it [21:56:40] <AstroTux> I've got some stuff I need to back up (drivers), but when I go to write a CD or DVD, I get an unknown error - any ideas? [21:56:51] <AstroTux> My bruner is attached to FireWire and appears to be correctly detected [21:56:54] *** perlmongo has quit IRC [21:57:15] <CosmicDJ> solaris has firewire support? [21:57:19] <AstroTux> I copy the files I want to the Burn folder, insert a blank CD (correctly detected), click BURN, and it errors. [21:57:29] <AstroTux> COsmicDJ: Apparently, out the box! [21:57:40] * CosmicDJ checks hcl [21:58:13] <AstroTux> CosmicDJ: works here anyway, I I didn't install drivers for it (firewire port is on my SB Audigy soundcard which is NOT installed) [21:59:03] <CIA-58> andrew.rutz at sun dot com: 6727815 iscsi panic: deadlock: cycle in blocking chain [21:59:35] <CosmicDJ> AstroTux: didnt you just say it doesn't work? ;) [21:59:50] <AstroTux> ComsmicDJ: burning does not, no, but it reads OK! [22:00:04] <AstroTux> CosmicDJL the drive is correctly detected etc.. [22:00:13] <_mary_kate_> CosmicDJ: some of the SPARCs had firewire controllers [22:00:22] <AstroTux> brb [22:00:24] <_mary_kate_> (desktops) [22:01:17] *** topgun17 has quit IRC [22:01:38] *** stevel_ has joined #opensolaris [22:02:37] *** Animal-X has quit IRC [22:06:59] *** Plazma has quit IRC [22:06:59] *** timelyx has quit IRC [22:06:59] *** tdeath_ has quit IRC [22:06:59] *** jabba has quit IRC [22:06:59] *** hooch has quit IRC [22:06:59] *** techqbert has quit IRC [22:06:59] *** Wil has quit IRC [22:06:59] *** spiff has quit IRC [22:07:02] *** tdeath has joined #Opensolaris [22:07:03] *** spiff has joined #opensolaris [22:07:05] *** hooch has joined #opensolaris [22:07:08] *** techqbert has joined #opensolaris [22:07:15] *** jabba has joined #opensolaris [22:07:16] *** timelyx has joined #opensolaris [22:07:18] *** Pyretic has joined #opensolaris [22:07:18] *** Plazma has joined #opensolaris [22:07:56] *** mitrox has quit IRC [22:07:56] *** blahee has quit IRC [22:07:56] *** Oktane has quit IRC [22:07:56] *** doof has quit IRC [22:07:59] *** blahee has joined #opensolaris [22:08:03] *** Wil has joined #opensolaris [22:08:08] <Pyretic> what hardware are people using for this l2arc/slog thing ? 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[22:10:21] <e^ipi> no, l2arc is for the l2arc [22:10:34] <CosmicDJ> http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/test [22:10:36] <e^ipi> flash cache and what have you [22:10:49] <CosmicDJ> ramdisk ;) [22:11:09] <TomJ> oh right [22:11:10] <TomJ> nice [22:11:42] <Pyretic> yeah i think you'd want to have some ssd for that to see real performance gains [22:12:16] *** Tobbe is now known as Tobbe|autoaway [22:12:21] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris [22:12:32] <CosmicDJ> http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/4906-Separated-ZIL-on-ramdisk..html [22:13:02] *** Oktane has joined #opensolaris [22:13:14] <CosmicDJ> as you see, you don't need ssds for that ;) [22:13:22] *** rv- has quit IRC [22:14:16] *** bigjocker has quit IRC [22:14:23] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris [22:14:40] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris [22:14:41] <e^ipi> SSD's are a less hacky and more stable way of doing it though [22:14:54] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris [22:14:55] <e^ipi> but if your data isn't important, yeah [22:15:13] <e^ipi> but for that matter, you can just turn off the ZIL [22:15:40] *** stevel has quit IRC [22:16:54] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris [22:17:08] <holcomb> don't suppose battery backed ram is getting any cheaper? [22:18:43] <Pyretic> not seen any cheap consumer products on that, there was the i-ram, but that's over sata1 [22:20:30] <Pyretic> hmm, and i like some infiniband gear to play with too, sigh [22:20:47] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [22:24:52] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [22:24:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [22:28:37] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris [22:28:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [22:28:43] *** Asako has quit IRC [22:29:37] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [22:30:47] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris [22:33:14] <sickness> why does SXCE101's firefox display an .jnpl file instead of executing it with javaws? :( [22:34:55] *** jamesd has quit IRC [22:39:01] *** BBHoss has joined #opensolaris [22:41:07] *** stevel_ has quit IRC [22:42:08] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [22:42:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [22:43:16] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [22:46:08] *** capaz has left #opensolaris [22:47:44] <sickness> nevermind, it works now :) [22:49:18] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [22:51:59] *** LordIllpalazoThe has joined #opensolaris [22:52:49] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris [22:54:54] *** swa_work has quit IRC [22:55:22] *** bengtf has quit IRC [22:56:02] *** topgun17 has joined #opensolaris [22:56:16] *** topgun17 is now known as defective [22:57:43] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [22:58:31] * e^ipi wonders where the non-gnu version of 'rep' is ... i only have gnu rep ( grep ) in my $PATH [22:58:39] <e^ipi> (yes that was a joke) [22:58:49] *** Fish has quit IRC [22:59:09] *** gonzzor has left #opensolaris [22:59:22] <Stric> rep 0.17, Copyright (C) 1999-2000 John Harper [22:59:23] <Stric> rep comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details see the file COPYING [23:00:15] <AstroTux> Any ideas as to why it won't write CDs? [23:00:24] <AstroTux> Am I missing something? [23:00:40] <e^ipi> Stric, damn, i didn't think something with that name actually existed [23:00:55] <e^ipi> now i'm curious what it does [23:00:55] <Stric> e^ipi: it's a scheme interpreter [23:00:59] <e^ipi> ahh [23:01:02] <AstroTux> cdrecord is present on the system - might try and use that [23:01:15] <Stric> rep - Read, Eval, Print Interpreter [23:01:43] <e^ipi> it'd be funnier if it were a more stable version of grep but with less options [23:02:10] <oxygene> e^ipi: I added -r support to solaris grep today. with -q (which I'll add next), I think it's pretty much all that's needed for scripts and convenience. [23:02:39] <e^ipi> request-sponsor at opensolaris dot org [23:03:08] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [23:03:20] *** jay-away has joined #opensolaris [23:03:27] <AstroTux> Thanks again! Getting somewhere now! :) Night! [23:04:11] <dep> e^ipi [23:04:25] *** AstroTux has quit IRC [23:04:26] <dep> : ugh, all those less options? ;) [23:04:35] *** defective has quit IRC [23:04:52] <oxygene> grep -S -- no line breaks? hmm... ;) [23:05:27] <dep> I'd expect rep to instead be cutting back and have more options. 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I have touched a file called /etc/dhcp.rge0 and have a file /etc/hostname.rge0 but still when i reboot my machine i have a message in saying unable to identify the hostname and the machine starts with no host name ? should i also have a hostname.lo0 ? [23:58:20] <bda> /etc/nodename [23:58:36] <bda> Though you could also supply the host with a hostname via DHCP. [23:58:55] *** dunc has quit IRC [23:58:57] <abisen> bda: I have a old netgear router :) so i don't think that would work with that. [23:59:12] <abisen> bda: so I should have the hostname in the file /etc/nodename ? [23:59:25] <bda> Yes. Pretty sure the dhcp client won't override it. [23:59:43] <abisen> thanks [23:59:43] <CIA-58> Thomas Haynes <Thomas.Haynes at Sun dot COM>: 6738223 Can not share a single IP address [23:59:44] <CIA-58> Robbin Kawabata <Robbin.Kawabata at Sun dot COM>: 6764127 update zoneinfo timezones to 2008i (Argentina)