November 2, 2008 
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[00:51:37] <moazamraja> via command line... [00:51:43] *** davidX- has quit IRC [00:51:52] <sickness> mmm [00:52:09] <sickness> tried to fiddle with xset and xscreensaver ? [00:52:20] <moazamraja> no X is running [00:52:24] <moazamraja> just text console [00:52:32] <sickness> with xset you could enable dpms support and with xscreensaver you could trigger it, or with xlock... [00:52:36] <sickness> oh [00:52:53] <sickness> so I don't know with that, maybe ask to the vconsole project guys? =) [00:54:43] <moazamraja> i'm hoping there is a setting i can put in /etc/power.conf [00:55:36] *** davidX- has joined #opensolaris [01:00:16] <moazamraja> ah, nevermind :) [01:00:27] <moazamraja> the laptop has a hardware feature to turn off the display :) [01:00:33] <moazamraja> exactly what i wanted [01:00:42] <moazamraja> (using a laptop as a server, at home) [01:03:32] *** Fish has quit IRC [01:06:13] *** fr4g has quit IRC [01:07:23] *** otep has quit IRC [01:09:01] *** kim0 has quit IRC [01:09:58] *** otep has joined #opensolaris [01:11:55] *** AxeZ has quit IRC [01:12:14] *** luna1 has quit IRC [01:13:48] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [01:18:15] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [01:24:50] *** teo`` has joined #opensolaris [01:25:01] *** geronimos has quit IRC [01:31:43] *** Tilt has quit IRC [01:31:59] *** Tilt has joined #OpenSolaris [01:33:06] *** otep has quit IRC [01:36:49] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [01:38:06] *** stux|away|away has joined #opensolaris [01:38:09] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris [01:38:36] *** otep has joined #opensolaris [01:38:37] *** teo` has quit IRC [01:39:33] *** jabba has joined #opensolaris [01:39:54] *** _jabba has quit IRC [01:42:56] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [01:43:21] *** dburge has left #opensolaris [01:46:35] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [01:48:08] *** ruse39[home] has joined #opensolaris [01:50:12] *** gdamore has quit IRC [01:50:56] *** gdamore has joined #opensolaris [01:54:39] *** stux|away has quit IRC [02:00:20] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [02:04:48] *** WormDrink has quit IRC [02:04:59] *** mega has quit IRC [02:10:56] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [02:11:16] *** otep has quit IRC [02:15:18] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [02:16:47] *** topgun17 has joined #opensolaris [02:17:44] <topgun17> Hello [02:17:55] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [02:19:02] *** microchip_ has quit IRC [02:19:21] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [02:21:26] *** Odin- has quit IRC [02:22:03] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [02:23:31] *** teo`` has quit IRC [02:23:40] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [02:24:06] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [02:24:07] *** bahumbug has quit IRC [02:41:44] *** Starsie has joined #opensolaris [02:45:48] *** otep has joined #opensolaris [02:47:26] *** boyd has joined #opensolaris [02:52:11] *** boyd_ has quit IRC [02:57:13] *** Starsie has left #opensolaris [02:59:05] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [02:59:20] *** ruse39[home] has quit IRC [03:05:04] *** dvz has quit IRC [03:18:12] *** otep has quit IRC [03:45:05] *** Canaris_ has joined #opensolaris [03:47:38] <Canaris_> where can i find the beta/alpha for the next opensolaris version? I am currently running 2008.5 and it works quite alright. besides that it didnt recognize my NIC at first, but thats solved now. but anyhow, when is the next version gonna be released. any news on that yet? [03:50:09] <TomJ> some time in november [03:50:16] <TomJ> I think there's a beta somewhere, maybe on genunix.org [03:51:43] <Canaris_> TomJ, Ah yeh you're right. I found it [03:51:44] <Canaris_> Thanks! [03:52:05] <Canaris_> glad to see that it will already be in november [03:54:14] <TomJ> yeah, it should be pretty regular every 6 months [03:54:32] *** stux|away|away has quit IRC [03:55:35] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [03:55:39] <Canaris_> TomJ, that would be great. It works surprisingly stable on my desktop already. just a bit of a bummer that some NICs aren't recognized yet, but apparently thats gonna change with the november version [03:57:57] *** ericjray has quit IRC [04:03:18] *** mega has quit IRC [04:03:50] *** Chipdancer_ is now known as Chipdancer [04:05:05] *** T_B has joined #opensolaris [04:06:05] *** Canaris_ has quit IRC [04:07:13] *** Tilt has quit IRC [04:12:07] *** mannyris has joined #opensolaris [04:12:49] <mannyris> hello [04:20:45] <mannyris> very dead here... [04:21:10] *** mannyris has left #opensolaris [04:23:53] *** T_B_ has quit IRC [04:47:14] *** stux has joined #opensolaris [04:50:11] *** neoxed has quit IRC [04:57:27] *** comay has quit IRC [04:57:49] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC [04:58:07] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris [04:58:44] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [05:03:27] *** thezerox has quit IRC [05:10:12] *** skillet has joined #opensolaris [05:18:45] *** delewis has quit IRC [05:40:35] *** Gekz has quit IRC [05:41:12] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [05:43:07] *** tdeath_ has joined #Opensolaris [05:51:50] *** tdeath has quit IRC [05:54:06] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [05:55:43] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [06:00:02] *** Aussie_User has joined #opensolaris [06:00:31] *** klg has joined #opensolaris [06:01:53] *** klg has left #opensolaris [06:03:45] *** Nickko has quit IRC [06:10:01] *** Gekz has quit IRC [06:10:50] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [06:15:16] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [06:16:22] *** klg has joined #opensolaris [06:18:18] *** skillet has quit IRC [06:19:54] *** FastJack has quit IRC [06:25:12] *** rnixon has joined #opensolaris [06:25:37] *** Aussie_User has left #opensolaris [06:26:17] <rnixon> hello friends [06:26:56] <rnixon> I added in some extra ram for my laptop, and now it hangs on boot [06:27:21] <rnixon> Kosher ram, passes memtest, boots ubuntu livecd fine [06:27:35] <e^ipi> 'passes memtest' means almost nothing [06:27:53] <e^ipi> memtest is a blunt instrument [06:27:59] <rnixon> loading the kernel -v shows its hanging on pci1014,512@01, which seems to be a cardbus thing [06:28:44] <rnixon> is it like a standardized test for ram? [06:28:49] <rnixon> no bits left behind! [06:29:30] <e^ipi> and this tells you what exactly? [06:29:52] <rnixon> indiana livecd folk seem to have run into this issue, based on google, so it may be some issue with the particular driver? [06:29:56] <rnixon> I'm not sure. [06:30:30] <rnixon> Is there a quick fix? Any magic options I can boot with? [06:31:30] <rnixon> Everything works perfectly, as long as I have ony 1g ram [06:31:48] <rnixon> but if I add any more ram, the computer is like [06:31:51] <rnixon> WHOA WHOA [06:31:58] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris [06:31:59] <rnixon> THIS RELATIONSHIP IS MOVING WAY TOO FAST [06:32:11] <rnixon> I NEED TO GO FOR A WALK [06:32:25] *** rnixon was kicked by e^ipi (e^ipi) [06:32:44] <bda> That made me kind of uncomfortable. [06:37:35] <e^ipi> hence the punt [06:38:52] *** Gekz has quit IRC [06:41:19] *** jamesd has quit IRC [06:45:55] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [06:46:13] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [06:46:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [06:53:28] *** Gekz has quit IRC [06:53:32] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [06:55:05] <victori_> has anyone had a zone suddenly halt? without any warning? [06:55:07] <victori_> all by it self [06:56:12] <victori_> a zone in production for about 32 days uptime went belly up, global seemed unaffected. [06:58:34] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [06:59:45] *** glguy has joined #opensolaris [07:00:07] <glguy> evocallaghan, ok, I'm here. (but I wouldn't have kicked you anyway for talking to me about offtopic stuff ;) [07:00:33] <evocallaghan> glguy:Hey, welcome. I did not know you ran the show anyways ;) [07:01:18] <evocallaghan> So the opensolaris distro is a Sun project to target Linux people that write web apps and such. They took a lot of work Moinak Gosh did. [07:01:44] <evocallaghan> Its pkg.opensolaris.org is quite closed off to people putting there own packages in [07:01:56] <evocallaghan> Just what Sun thinks what everyone wants [07:02:47] <evocallaghan> Hense you get nothing useful beyound a gnome desktop and a distro that has problems unless you change the $PATH etc.. etc.. etc.. list goes on. [07:03:08] <evocallaghan> SXCE is a Solaris 10 beta if you like. not quite but easy to explain [07:03:33] <evocallaghan> You can grab spec files and build what you like with SXCE. [07:04:57] <glguy> is SXCE different from Solaris 10 10/08 Operating System CD 1 for x86/x64 [07:06:23] <evocallaghan> Yes [07:06:36] <evocallaghan> Solaris 10 is production ready for a server or whatever [07:06:50] <evocallaghan> SXCE is great for a desktop and such [07:08:16] <evocallaghan> 1sec [07:08:19] *** evocallaghan has left #opensolaris [07:08:27] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [07:08:52] <evocallaghan> What is OpenSolaris?' @ http://whacked.net/what_is_opensolaris check this out [07:10:35] <Doc> what if i already know what opensolaris is? [07:14:28] *** glguy has quit IRC [07:14:38] *** glguy has joined #opensolaris [07:14:53] <glguy> evocallaghan, But can it withstand a power-outage :) [07:14:59] *** luna1 has joined #opensolaris [07:15:16] <glguy> the last I saw was a link to whacked [07:15:18] <glguy> before I lost power [07:17:48] <glguy> is there a trick to downloading SXCE via a single URL [07:18:06] <glguy> sun.com seems to be doing a great job of preventing me from downloading their software be requiring the session cookie to be present [07:19:04] <sponix> glguy: yep, they _Strongly_ recommend SDM use, making most of their downloads the suck.... [07:19:28] * bda never uses SDM. [07:19:36] <bda> There used to be a wget workaround. Dunno where it went. [07:19:57] <glguy> Ah, I managed to trick it [07:21:31] <evocallaghan> UPS is a good trick ;) [07:27:19] <sponix> downthemall firefox extension worked _ok_ at least at one time, but resuming it was about 50/50 [07:36:24] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [07:40:07] <moazamraja> is the bge0 10mbit only? [07:40:44] <bda> No. [07:41:03] <moazamraja> k [07:41:09] <moazamraja> i'll check the switch [07:42:12] <bda> moazamraja: http://nopaste.snit.ch/14444 [07:42:43] <moazamraja> 100 [07:42:47] <moazamraja> thx [07:42:53] <moazamraja> thought i had gigabit... [07:43:41] <moazamraja> ack. [07:43:42] <moazamraja> switch is gigabit [07:43:51] <moazamraja> interface on the laptop is 10/100... [07:44:09] <moazamraja> didn't know laptops still did 10/100...thought they were all 10/100/1000 [07:45:19] <bda> Heh. [07:51:08] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris [07:57:50] *** InHisName has left #opensolaris [08:07:53] *** Yorlik has quit IRC [08:12:10] <klg> i was trying to install mplayer from lifewithsolaris, but the package has been removed, any idea whether it's temporary situation or is it something else [08:13:56] <evocallaghan> klg:Try Blastwave instead [08:14:53] <klg> evocallaghan: while trying blastwave, it was stuck with creating plan for 15 min, so i stopped [08:15:12] <glguy> Is the primary distinction between OpenSolaris and a GNOME based Linux distribution primarily the kernel, init scripts, and package manager? [08:15:32] <glguy> Does it tend to use a lot of the same libraries? [08:15:59] <glguy> I'm sure I can answer some of these questions on my own later, but I'm still downloading :) [08:16:26] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [08:16:26] <klg> evocallaghan: the best thing of installing from LWS was the size was very small almost 15 mb, but if you try some other repo, it's always more than 100 mb [08:16:59] <Gekz> someone makes Windows work [08:27:34] *** fr4g has quit IRC [08:33:18] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [08:37:00] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris [08:38:41] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris [08:39:06] <evocallaghan> glguy:I don't use gnome. But the kernel is really the thing your after. Pick whatever userland you like [08:39:25] <evocallaghan> glguy:I love ZFS and DTrace myself. [08:42:14] <evocallaghan> glguy:Driver seem to be a bit more soild then Linux ones too. Have not had a problem with wifi yet on a few bits of hardware, where as Linux has been nothing but problems [08:44:24] *** luna1 has quit IRC [08:48:59] *** klg has quit IRC [08:50:51] *** gawin has joined #opensolaris [08:58:16] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [08:59:46] *** gerard13 has quit IRC [09:00:03] *** jfndi has joined #opensolaris [09:02:38] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris [09:03:09] <abisen> where do i download the amd64 iso of opensolaris [09:03:24] <evocallaghan> There is no 64bit version [09:03:27] <evocallaghan> they are the same [09:03:32] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris [09:03:37] <evocallaghan> Welcome to a proper kernel [09:03:47] <abisen> when i try to run a 64 bit binary it does not executes [09:04:07] <abisen> i am new to opensolaris ... [09:04:08] <evocallaghan> Your debug info is kind of useless man ;) [09:04:23] <evocallaghan> What binary ? [09:04:49] <abisen> bash-3.2# file top [09:04:49] <abisen> top: ELF 64-bit LSB executable AMD64 Version 1 [SSE2 SSE FXSR CMOV FPU], dynamically linked, stripped [09:04:49] <abisen> bash-3.2# ./top [09:04:49] <abisen> bash: ./top: cannot execute binary file [09:05:11] <evocallaghan> ldd top [09:05:29] <evocallaghan> Is this compiled for Linux or something ? [09:05:43] <evocallaghan> Are you looking for the top command ? [09:06:03] <_mary_kate_> abisen: where did you get that binary? [09:06:08] <evocallaghan> prstat [09:06:12] <abisen> pkg-get -i top [09:06:12] <_mary_kate_> abisen: and please paste the output of 'isainfo -b' [09:06:27] <abisen> bash-3.2# isainfo -b [09:06:27] <abisen> 32 [09:06:34] <jfndi> oups [09:06:34] <_mary_kate_> you don't have a 64-bit cpu [09:06:45] <evocallaghan> fun fun [09:06:48] <_mary_kate_> (or for some reason you forced the 32-bit kernel to load) [09:06:54] <evocallaghan> Always check the plug first :p [09:07:12] <abisen> hmm... i am running it on vmware server set as 64 bit on 64 bit host [09:07:19] <evocallaghan> or your running off the live cd that is always in 32bit mode [09:07:24] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [09:07:27] *** topgun17 has quit IRC [09:08:36] *** netj has joined #opensolaris [09:15:47] *** WormDrink has joined #opensolaris [09:26:25] *** timelyx has joined #opensolaris [09:31:27] <gawin> Does anyone know how to get a Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3512A [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller working. The device driver utility says that there are no drivers, but I have read various messages that it should be supported. http://blogs.sun.com/nachiketa/entry/general_notes_on_sata_support The Windows and Ubuntu drivers for the Sil 3512 chipset use the Sil 3112 drivers. Is there anyway to get Open Solaris to use the 3112 drivers? [09:32:58] *** timeless has joined #opensolaris [09:34:45] <gawin> ow, and "grep -i sata /boot/solaris/devicedb/master" shows the 3512 as being supported... [09:35:06] *** mitrox has quit IRC [09:35:48] *** mitrox has joined #opensolaris [09:37:53] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC [09:38:20] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [09:38:40] *** WormDrink has quit IRC [09:40:37] *** kimo^^ has joined #opensolaris [09:40:56] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris [09:41:45] *** stux is now known as stux|away [09:44:14] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris [09:48:13] <palowoda> So is postfix or EXIM going to replace sendmail? [09:49:08] <tsoome> ? [09:49:51] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [09:50:00] <palowoda> Better MTA = ? [09:50:03] *** kim0 has quit IRC [09:50:39] <palowoda> Wait which MTA does opensolaris.org use? [09:52:37] <delewis> telnet mail.opensolaris.org 25 says Postfix. [09:52:47] <palowoda> Use what you preach. [09:55:09] *** Jabka has joined #opensolaris [09:56:32] <Jabka> What is opensolaris package manager (actually i need some docs about it ) [09:56:38] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [09:56:59] <e^ipi> it's called pkg [09:58:16] <Jabka> e^ipi , thank you is there any maintainer guide for pkg (like debian policy) where i could create pkg packages [09:59:07] <e^ipi> no, you would be creating sysvr4 packages and converting them [09:59:29] *** WormDrink has joined #opensolaris [09:59:47] <_mary_kate_> seems more useful to start with creating IPS packages, if it's going to replace svr4 packages eventually [10:00:21] <palowoda> At least you can find IPS info on: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/pkg/ [10:01:16] *** abisen has quit IRC [10:01:49] <sickness> hey, I just finished reading this thread: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=21432 is there some place to look at opensolaris.org to understand how is the status of powernowadm support now? can dual core amd cpus be clocked down? what about core2duo? what about quad cores (and and intel) ? [10:02:23] <palowoda> Only certain AMD dual cores support powernowadm. [10:02:27] <palowoda> Not all. [10:02:56] <palowoda> The quad amd's should. [10:03:25] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [10:04:14] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [10:05:23] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC [10:05:53] <palowoda> What was the model and stepping of AMD cpu that supported Solaris power management? All the Intel cpu's seam to be supported. [10:06:43] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [10:07:34] <sickness> all intel cpu's are supported? with which driver? same frkit? or is there another one to install? [10:08:13] <qiyong> &mod_driverops, /* Type of module. This one is a driver */ [10:08:20] <qiyong> is there orther types of modules? [10:08:25] <palowoda> Heck I thought powernow was supported on the recent builds period on intel cpu's. [10:09:09] <palowoda> Isn't frkit kind of obsolete? [10:10:37] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC [10:11:18] <sickness> palowoda: I don't know that's what I wanted to know =) if you should not use frkit/powernowadm, what's the command to scale the cpu frequency of cpus as of now? =) (sxce 101) [10:12:00] <palowoda> Cool maybe it was integrated. [10:12:25] <palowoda> Shesh. [10:12:41] <sickness> heh... [10:13:03] <Jabka> palowoda , thanks for the link [10:13:30] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [10:13:33] <Jabka> so i understand if need to port packages to opensolaris it is better to use IPS right ? [10:14:27] <palowoda> IPS for OpenSolaris, SVR4 package for SXCE. [10:14:56] <palowoda> SVR4 package can be converted to IPS. [10:15:48] *** anilg has quit IRC [10:17:05] <palowoda> Actually SVR4 packages are converted to the repositories of IPS. [10:17:57] <palowoda> Sounds a little gross at first glance. [10:18:22] *** WormDrink has quit IRC [10:18:32] *** WormDrink has joined #opensolaris [10:19:09] <palowoda> Like sticking one packing system up the other packaging systems a**. But it has some logic value. [10:22:57] <palowoda> By the way SVR4 packaging is a dead end route. Sun will discontinue it just like Xsun went to Xorg and CDE went to Gnome. [10:23:06] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [10:24:03] <palowoda> And sendmail went to .... friggen sendmail. [10:33:50] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC [10:34:57] <h3sp4wn> palowoda: They may change their mind (Judging by the past its not too unlikely) [10:36:42] <mikl> I still don't get why they chose to create IPS instead of just adopting one of those that are already out there? [10:37:14] <h3sp4wn> mikl: One of the reasons is that they don't want people running scripts [10:37:29] <h3sp4wn> (as part of installing the package) [10:37:41] <palowoda> And upgrading zones. [10:39:09] <palowoda> IPS is kind of a path for upgrading zones. SVR packaging is kind of hopeless with zones. [10:40:06] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris [10:43:33] <palowoda> h3sp4wn: With respect to opensolaris.org using postfix they made thier mind up. That is all that has to be said. [10:45:41] <h3sp4wn> palowoda: I would say they decided for their use case they didn't need sendmail [10:46:17] <palowoda> For some reason. [10:50:24] <h3sp4wn> yeah but the needs opensolaris.org do not necessarily represent the needs of *everyone* [10:50:49] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris [10:52:00] <palowoda> opensolaris.org doesn't define the needs of who intgrates which mail transport. Should it? [10:52:44] <palowoda> Or should it be Sun that defines the standard mail program? [10:53:57] <palowoda> Or should I say mail transport. [10:54:37] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris [10:54:44] <palowoda> Back to use what you preach. [10:55:41] *** kimo^^ is now known as kim0 [10:56:52] <palowoda> Or was it preach what you use? [10:58:39] <h3sp4wn> palowoda: Well the Sun mx's at least appear to be running IntraStore TurboSendmail [10:59:23] <palowoda> h3sp4wn: Sun or opensolaris.org? [10:59:34] <h3sp4wn> palowoda: MX for sun.com [10:59:44] <palowoda> What channel are we on? [11:00:11] *** otep has joined #opensolaris [11:00:58] <palowoda> I do assume we are talking about opensolaris. [11:18:17] *** netj has quit IRC [11:19:18] *** Burn has left #opensolaris [11:20:20] *** Michael39 has joined #opensolaris [11:22:28] <Michael39> I was reading about OpenSolaris, and I don't know if I'm right, but are there another build coming out that's called OpenSolaris 2009 .04 [11:22:28] <Michael39> ? [11:22:59] <h3sp4wn> Michael39: Supposed to be time based releases every 6 months [11:23:18] <h3sp4wn> so more likely to be 2009.05 [11:23:20] <_mary_kate_> Michael39: the next release will be 2008.11 [11:23:28] <Auralis> 2008.11 is the next official release build, and then after that somewhere in the first half of 2009 [11:23:39] <Michael39> ok, thanks.. I have been keeping up with this.. and I think there's 2 more months left. :) [11:23:45] <Michael39> ok [11:23:46] *** nareshov has joined #opensolaris [11:23:46] <Michael39> Thanks [11:24:52] <Michael39> I have been using Windows right now, and all I use an Os for is to surff and E-Mail, and chat.. [11:25:36] <Michael39> Thanks very much for th info [11:25:39] <Michael39> the lol [11:26:00] *** gottadoit` has quit IRC [11:26:09] <palowoda> I guess thanks for the Windows review. [11:29:27] *** gottadoit has joined #opensolaris [11:30:54] <evocallaghan> palowoda:lol [11:32:08] *** jfndi has quit IRC [11:33:50] *** mikefut has quit IRC [11:35:36] *** Jabka has quit IRC [11:37:13] *** McFail has quit IRC [11:38:02] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris [11:38:12] *** gawin has quit IRC [11:39:37] <nareshov> is openoffice3.0 in the repo yet? [11:40:31] <palowoda> If you search the repo is it there? [11:41:13] <palowoda> I forget does IPS have a search option? [11:42:47] <nareshov> pkg search -r openoffice [11:42:52] <nareshov> shows only 2.4 though [11:43:02] <palowoda> doh [11:46:58] <evocallaghan> I have a bug open for that [11:47:18] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC [11:47:22] <evocallaghan> But its up to Sun and there very closed ideas on what should be in pkg.opensolaris.org [11:47:30] *** microchip_ has joined #opensolaris [11:48:25] <palowoda> evocallaghan: At least give the bugid url. [11:48:43] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris [11:50:30] <evocallaghan> palowoda:Hold on. Gezz, looking for it [11:52:03] <evocallaghan> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3300 [11:52:34] <palowoda> nareshov: Now you add your comment to the bugid to indicate you want openoffice3.0 also. [11:53:11] <nareshov> oh, sure [11:53:27] <palowoda> evo started it. [11:56:07] * JWheeler & [11:56:43] *** ericjray has quit IRC [11:57:31] <nareshov> I'll just trust http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=1878#c8 for now ;l [11:58:53] <palowoda> nareshov: Hey it's a party. [11:59:06] <th> i luupgraded my b90 to b101 - now my non-global-zones /etc/release is still at b90. should luupgrade have upgraded the zones root as well? [11:59:44] <th> it got their -b101 zfs-clone though [12:00:05] <evocallaghan> David likes to remove peoples blockers and put silly things such as happy face instead of kernel panics [12:01:59] <th> so luupgrade cloned the zfs-fs for the zone's root but did not upgrade in there. [12:02:13] <palowoda> David has to worry about if November releases are reasonable but that is another topic. [12:19:45] *** __coredump__ has joined #opensolaris [12:22:36] *** __coredump__ has quit IRC [12:29:22] *** netj has joined #opensolaris [12:32:14] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris [12:32:33] *** netj has quit IRC [12:35:19] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC [12:35:33] <evocallaghan> palowoda:Then tell him to remove silly REF as blockers [12:35:54] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris [12:42:06] *** McFail has joined #opensolaris [12:49:57] *** wewek has quit IRC [12:50:46] *** nareshov has quit IRC [12:51:53] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [13:03:28] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris [13:06:12] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [13:07:30] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris [13:07:35] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [13:10:25] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [13:12:15] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris [13:12:17] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris [13:12:59] *** cypromis has quit IRC [13:13:42] *** cypromis_ is now known as cypromis [13:14:33] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [13:24:21] *** mnhjklo has quit IRC [13:24:23] *** edgy has joined #opensolaris [13:35:10] *** klg has joined #opensolaris [13:37:52] *** bahumbug has quit IRC [13:44:40] *** geronimos has joined #opensolaris [13:49:30] <WormDrink> where can i get more info on packages that comes with the companion CD ? [13:49:33] <WormDrink> specifically versions [13:49:59] <_mary_kate_> the easiest way is probably to look at the packages [13:50:19] *** FastJack has quit IRC [13:53:27] <WormDrink> yes [13:53:35] <WormDrink> but then i have to download 600mb [13:56:12] <Auralis> in the past there was a detailed list in one of the pre download pages about exactly is in the companion cd [13:56:58] <houst0n-> I've never actually used the companion cd, I believe most of the stuff on there is pretty dated [13:57:06] <houst0n-> Skip it - use blastwave! =) [13:57:18] <_mary_kate_> not only dated, but it doesn't get updates [13:57:21] <Auralis> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/freeware/ there ya go [13:57:49] <WormDrink> no version info there [13:57:54] <WormDrink> and blastwave is pretty dated [13:58:05] <houst0n-> Well, we're working on that [13:58:12] *** edgy has left #opensolaris [13:58:22] <Auralis> Application/Accessibility [13:58:22] <Auralis> brltty-3.6.1 [13:58:27] <Auralis> looks pretty version infor to me [13:58:31] <WormDrink> no [13:58:37] <WormDrink> but not for stuff on the right [13:58:40] <houst0n-> There's lots of nice new stuff out already, or en route [13:58:51] <Auralis> you mean left [13:59:05] <Auralis> right side is the companion cd/dvd, thats what you asked for [13:59:14] <Auralis> left side is what is on the solaris install medium [13:59:16] <WormDrink> yes [13:59:18] <WormDrink> oh [13:59:19] <WormDrink> ok [13:59:22] <WormDrink> thats good [14:00:33] *** FastJack has joined #opensolaris [14:05:45] *** timeless has quit IRC [14:06:15] <kim0> where else would a opensolaris machine get its hostname from other than /etc/hostname.* and /etc/nodename ?! [14:06:28] <kim0> it's using something else .. not in those files! [14:06:32] <Auralis> dhcp? nis, nis+, ldap? [14:06:57] <kim0> how can I check what is being used [14:07:11] <kim0> I don't think it's dhcp [14:07:18] <Auralis> check if you have a /etc/dhcp.IFACE file laying around [14:07:19] <kim0> nis + ldap are not used here [14:11:02] *** ali_ has joined #opensolaris [14:15:36] *** mlh_zombie is now known as mlh [14:17:09] *** geronimos has left #opensolaris [14:20:50] *** ertn has joined #opensolaris [14:20:52] *** ertn has left #opensolaris [14:21:20] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris [14:27:25] *** ali_ has left #opensolaris [14:29:48] *** cypromis has quit IRC [14:33:06] <kim0> Auralis: um, assuming I have multiple /etc/hostname.* and a /etc/nodename .. which one is used for the hostname ? [14:37:22] *** cypromis_ is now known as cypromis [14:37:26] <Auralis> nodename is the actual nameof the machine, the hostnames are the names of the interfaces, in a single nic setup nodename and hostname are usualy identical [14:41:01] *** dsch04 is now known as dsch_afk [14:45:24] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris [14:47:57] *** wewek1 has joined #opensolaris [14:51:00] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC [14:52:57] *** jgracin has quit IRC [14:54:16] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [14:59:33] <th> is there more than /lib /platform /sbin /usr in a zone that needs upgrades? luupgrade did not change the zones root from b90 to b101 [14:59:51] <th> (the former ones are inherited-pkg-dir's) [15:01:56] *** wewek has quit IRC [15:03:05] *** Nathan has joined #opensolaris [15:03:07] *** wewek1 has left #opensolaris [15:03:25] <Nathan> Come and join Xbox360 clan site at http://www.xg-clan.uk.to/forums [15:03:36] *** Nathan is now known as Guest83319 [15:05:12] *** m0zzzy has left #opensolaris [15:05:49] <Guest83319> come to http://www.xg-clan.uk.to [15:05:58] <Guest83319> http://www.xg-clan.uk.to/forums [15:06:53] <pjfloyd> urgh [15:07:47] <pjfloyd> doesn't owning an xbos360 involve giving money to microsoft? [15:11:50] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [15:12:01] <evocallaghan> define:clan [15:12:25] <evocallaghan> gay people that like to bash one another on a Xwank console. [15:13:30] <evocallaghan> pjfloyd:I think these Micro$haft things break anyway with some flashing red light. [15:13:47] <evocallaghan> Its a encoded message /me thinks [15:14:50] * xRaich[o]2x yawns at spam [15:14:51] <jbit> pjfloyd: it's generally assumed console manufacturers lose money on hardware sales [15:15:42] <evocallaghan> jbit:Yes and they make them out the kindness of there black hearts [15:16:41] <jbit> evocallaghan: um no, they make money on peripheral and software sales [15:17:02] <jbit> much like HP/etc lose money on printers they sell, and make it up on ink carts [15:17:25] <evocallaghan> What is with this xbox360 vs. ps3 bull. Both chips are powerpc and made by IBM. But I willing to bet most of these n00bs don't know that [15:17:41] <evocallaghan> jbit:That was my point [15:17:53] <jbit> evocallaghan: but hte ps3 has several high performance vector units [15:18:00] <jbit> the main ppc cores are almost identical though [15:18:12] <evocallaghan> Again, my point [15:18:13] <jbit> the only difference is the x360s ppc core has vmx128 rather than normal vmx [15:18:27] <jbit> evocallaghan: i know, not arguing, just adding to your comment ;P [15:18:52] <evocallaghan> Cell is totally differnet then the 360 in regards to its SPE's [15:19:02] <evocallaghan> Ah yes. Very good sir. [15:19:10] * evocallaghan get back to his beer [15:19:32] * jbit is a pro game dev btw, which is why i like this topic ;) [15:20:49] <evocallaghan> I have a ps3 [15:20:55] <evocallaghan> I done some ASM/C for it [15:21:19] <evocallaghan> As I have a OpenFW simulator that I am working on [15:21:29] *** cypromis has quit IRC [15:21:29] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC [15:21:29] *** hsp has quit IRC [15:21:29] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC [15:21:29] *** jamesd has quit IRC [15:21:29] *** stux|away has quit IRC [15:21:30] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC [15:21:30] *** pjd has quit IRC [15:21:30] *** spike591 has quit IRC [15:21:30] *** LeftyBSD has quit IRC [15:21:30] *** dizko has quit IRC [15:21:30] *** pde has quit IRC [15:21:30] *** skeeziks has quit IRC [15:21:30] *** holcomb has quit IRC [15:21:30] *** dkeav has quit IRC [15:21:30] *** idle-boy has quit IRC [15:21:30] *** bhall has quit IRC [15:21:30] *** martin[ug] has quit IRC [15:21:31] *** jbalint has quit IRC [15:21:31] *** tnelson has quit IRC [15:21:31] *** Dar_ has quit IRC [15:21:31] *** jay_ has quit IRC [15:21:31] *** tijo007 has quit IRC [15:21:31] *** jbit has quit IRC [15:21:31] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC [15:21:31] *** arreyder has quit IRC [15:21:31] *** thana has quit IRC [15:21:31] *** hohum has quit IRC [15:21:31] *** estibi has quit IRC [15:21:32] <evocallaghan> Just never have time to get it done ;p [15:21:50] <evocallaghan> I should have really relese it :/ [15:22:20] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** stux|away has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** jbit has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** pjd has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** jbalint has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** LeftyBSD has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** dkeav has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** spike591 has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** hohum has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** jay_ has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** bhall has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** thana has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** holcomb has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** idle-boy has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** Dar_ has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** tijo007 has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** tnelson has joined #opensolaris [15:22:20] *** oninoshiko has joined #opensolaris [15:22:21] *** skeeziks has joined #opensolaris [15:22:21] *** pde has joined #opensolaris [15:22:21] *** martin[ug] has joined #opensolaris [15:22:21] *** dizko has joined #opensolaris [15:22:21] *** arreyder has joined #opensolaris [15:22:21] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o jamesd [15:23:34] *** aquanaut has quit IRC [15:24:40] <h3sp4wn> Is the opensolaris ppc port working at all (on any hardware) [15:24:49] <qiyong> where is the mod loader code? [15:25:00] <jbit> h3sp4wn: that i'm not sure of :) [15:25:11] <qiyong> where is _init got called? [15:25:46] <evocallaghan> yes it works [15:26:00] *** Fish has quit IRC [15:26:07] <h3sp4wn> jbit: Yellow Dog seem to have some nice ppc workstations at the minute (But I guess they won't be available for long) [15:26:27] <jbit> h3sp4wn: nod ;( [15:26:40] <h3sp4wn> jbit: What do you think of project Darkstar (does any game company actually use it) [15:26:42] <jbit> it's kind of interesting how IBM/powerPC got their hand in all three consoles [15:27:06] <jbit> haven't heard of it [15:27:51] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris [15:27:57] <h3sp4wn> jbit: http://research.sun.com/projects/dashboard.php?id=168 [15:28:07] <jbit> "Project Darkstar is software infrastructure that aims to simplify the development and operation of massively scalable online games, virtual worlds, and social networking applications. " would explain why i haven't ;) [15:28:38] <jbit> i'd imagine it is used, but it's not my part of the industry [15:28:57] <jbit> looks interesting though [15:31:12] <jbit> oh it's open? then it's almost definatly being used ;) [15:31:36] <jbit> in my experience at least, gamedevs are very good at picking up useful open source things [15:32:27] <jbit> especially when hte magic "bsd-style license" words are used [15:33:49] <hrist> heh [15:40:57] <Guest83319> http://www.xg-clan.uk.to/forums [15:44:16] <evocallaghan> For crying out loud. Don't cares about your gay boy clan [15:44:26] <Guest83319> fuck you wanker [15:44:30] *** Guest83319 has quit IRC [15:45:00] *** swa_mobil has joined #opensolaris [15:45:13] <evocallaghan> How very nice of him to say good bye [15:45:46] *** swa_mobil has quit IRC [15:46:27] <jbit> why did he think a solaris channel would be a good place to "advertise" ? [15:46:50] *** swa_work has quit IRC [15:47:14] <evocallaghan> Why did none of the chan modes do there jobs :/ [15:48:21] *** Disorganized has quit IRC [15:48:51] <jbit> the mysteries of life [15:50:35] <evocallaghan> lol [15:50:44] <evocallaghan> I'm out of beers man !! [15:50:55] <evocallaghan> What am I going to do .. ? [15:51:00] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris [15:51:08] <hrist> drink wine? 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[16:28:08] <Socapex_2K> I've figured out my problem checking out forums, but the links to the driver I need are dead [16:30:33] *** luna1 has quit IRC [16:30:36] <Socapex_2K> Basically my I-net isn't working after install. I need this driver for my card and things should work out all fine [16:30:50] <Socapex_2K> via-rhine-ethernet-1.20.pkg [16:31:27] *** Auralis_ has joined #opensolaris [16:33:18] <Socapex_2K> Anyone? [16:35:49] *** mist has quit IRC [16:38:00] *** Disorganized has quit IRC [16:43:31] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris [16:45:25] *** Plazma has quit IRC [16:45:45] *** Plazma has joined #opensolaris [16:46:27] *** Asako has joined #opensolaris [16:46:31] <Asako> hello [16:46:37] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [16:46:56] *** Auralis has quit IRC [16:53:54] <Asako> anybody know if zfs works as a clustered file system? [16:54:44] <_mary_kate_> it doesn't [16:54:57] <_mary_kate_> but you can use it with sun cluster, as it'll only be mounted on one node at a time [16:55:20] <jbit> isn't that lustres job? [16:56:14] <Asako> that's what I'm looking at [16:56:35] <Asako> I'm just trying to think of a way to share storage between multiple xen instances or zones [16:56:55] <Asako> NFS is ok but then you have locking issues [16:59:07] *** kim0 has quit IRC [16:59:31] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris [17:00:00] <kimc> cant get fdisk on b101 to work on the Acer Aspire One [17:00:29] <kimc> looks like i need b98, where can i get a b98 iso? [17:00:30] *** loke_ has quit IRC [17:01:18] <Asako> so if you have two VMs load balanced, they both can't modify the same files [17:02:00] *** DottorZero has quit IRC [17:03:07] *** Disorganized has quit IRC [17:03:46] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [17:06:27] <kimc> older opensol iso's are available at: http://www.genunix.org/distributions/indiana/ [17:07:00] <_mary_kate_> Asako: SAM-QFS will do that. but if you want support, it's very expensive [17:08:34] <Asako> I was thinking something like GFS [17:08:38] <Asako> OCFS, etc. [17:08:46] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [17:08:58] <Asako> with zfs I would just nfs export the volumes but that also has issues [17:16:58] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris [17:22:49] *** bedlam has joined #opensolaris [17:25:07] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [17:32:43] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris [17:35:41] *** Disorganized has quit IRC [17:39:56] *** Tobbe has joined #opensolaris [17:51:57] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris [17:53:08] <klg> any ideas how can i get colors in the bash shell in opensolaris [17:55:09] <xRaich[o]2x> klg: edit->profiles [17:56:47] *** art-vandelay has joined #opensolaris [17:57:04] <Tobbe> I wanted to try OpenSolaris out, so I downloaded osol-0811-100a.iso (750mb cd iso) and ran it in VirtualBox. It's so slow though even the mouse doesn't move smooth. I literally have to wait like 10 seconds for the mouse cursor to jump to it's new position after moving it. What could be wrong? [17:57:16] <klg> xRaich[o]2x: i don't mean the background colors, what you are suggesting , i'm already aware of [17:57:17] *** art-vandelay has quit IRC [17:57:53] <xRaich[o]2x> klg: so you mean the prompt? or what? [17:58:12] <klg> xRaich[o]2x: what i'm asking is like in linux, once u enable syntax highlighting in vim, u can see the code in different colors, i'm not getting that [17:58:27] <Asako> and has anybody benchmarked zfs against linux LVM? [17:58:30] <xRaich[o]2x> export TERM=xterm-color [17:58:56] <xRaich[o]2x> vim should be colorful after that [17:59:32] <klg> xRaich[o]2x: gr8, thanx, now it's working [18:00:03] <klg> xRaich[o]2x: these are like small small stuff, but if these are there, it makes life easy [18:00:58] <xRaich[o]2x> klg: it's the little things that make you feel at home [18:01:04] <Socapex_2K> Hello everybody. I am having trouble accessing internet (through a home LAN). I've found solaris VIA Rhine drivers supplied by via themeselves here:http://www.softwarepatch.com/utilities/viaethernet.html [18:01:29] <h3sp4wn> Asako: It would be like comparing a nuclear sub to a rowing boat so not much use [18:01:45] <Socapex_2K> Installation went smoothly and my device driver utility posts that the driver is working correctly [18:01:49] *** Macabee has joined #opensolaris [18:03:04] <Socapex_2K> can anybody help? in the instruction, after installation i should have edited /etc/hostname.xxx# to /etc/hostname.fets# [18:03:11] <Socapex_2K> I cannot find this file [18:03:24] <h3sp4wn> you have to create it [18:03:36] <Socapex_2K> oh! [18:03:45] <Asako> h3sp4wn, just for curiosity [18:03:53] <Asako> and it does have use in business decisions [18:04:00] <Socapex_2K> and what would I include in the file [18:04:11] <Asako> guess I could build some boxes and run tests [18:04:48] <xRaich[o]2x> benchmarks usually just show how good stuff is at.... well.... benchmarks [18:04:58] <jbit> Socapex_2K: the hostname for that adapter (whatever you want) [18:06:03] <jbit> Socapex_2K: it shouldn't be requried though, what issues are you having? [18:06:19] <Socapex_2K> No connexion to internet [18:06:20] <Socapex_2K> ... [18:06:27] <jbit> that's not very descriptive.. [18:06:32] <Socapex_2K> sorry [18:06:43] <Socapex_2K> i'm fairly new [18:06:44] <Asako> think I found some from sun any way [18:06:54] <Socapex_2K> what should I post that could help? [18:06:56] <Socapex_2K> ifconfig -a [18:06:58] <Socapex_2K> ? [18:07:06] <Socapex_2K> or something of the likes [18:07:25] <Asako> ifconfig -a would work [18:07:26] <h3sp4wn> Asako: Depends it only has use if you perform them yourself [18:07:43] <Asako> that requires time [18:07:55] <Socapex_2K> ok, it'll take a while to retype it. here goes [18:08:54] <Asako> I love how solaris can even tell what dimm banks are in use [18:09:21] <h3sp4wn> Asako: without it being done yourself then you cannot really trust [18:09:43] <jbit> Asako: and pci slots, although it's mistaken on my system ;) [18:11:21] <h3sp4wn> Asako: And people benchmark stupid stuff like speed to repair when a drive goes (you can make that fast as hell but while its going on the system is useless) [18:11:38] <klg> xRaich[o]2x: one more question, how to enable color scheme for the listings etc., like if i do "ls -l" then directories, files etc should be shown in different colors [18:12:14] <xRaich[o]2x> klg: if you user gnu ls use an alias ls --color=always [18:12:26] <Asako> h3sp4wn, I know, raid recovery is part of my job [18:12:36] <Asako> most controllers have a setting for rebuild speed [18:12:58] <Asako> I think hardware raid is pointless any way, plenty of cpu cycles to spare these days [18:13:21] <Asako> much easier to just plug in some disks and tell zfs/md to mirror them [18:14:08] <rewolf-> how is it with the root zfs to mirror ? [18:14:24] <h3sp4wn> rewolf-: With 2008.05 or SXCE ? [18:14:47] <rewolf-> 2008.05 [18:15:12] <Asako> my desktop is mirrored [18:15:15] <h3sp4wn> You have to do it after the install afaik then [18:15:23] <Asako> not with the new build [18:15:29] <Asako> just select two disks to use [18:15:43] <Asako> but even after it takes like 2 seconds [18:15:59] <Socapex_2K> lo0: flags=2001000849<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4,VIRTUAL> mtu 8232 index 1 [18:16:01] <Socapex_2K> inet 127.0.0.1 netmask ff000000 [18:16:03] <Socapex_2K> fets0: flags=201004843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,DHCP,IPv4,CoS> mtu 1500 index 2 [18:16:05] <Socapex_2K> inet 0.0.0.0 netmask ff000000 [18:16:07] <Socapex_2K> lo0: flags=2002000849<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv6,VIRTUAL> mtu 8252 index 1 [18:16:09] <Socapex_2K> inet6 ::1/128 [18:16:11] <Socapex_2K> this is it [18:16:17] <Asako> looks like fets0 [18:16:25] <rewolf-> does the new build handle making both disks bootable? [18:16:31] <Asako> not sure [18:16:37] <rewolf-> i remember something about that i was fiddling with :) [18:16:50] <Socapex_2K> so I would creat a file named /etc/hostname.fets0 [18:16:54] <Socapex_2K> and it should work? [18:17:01] <Socapex_2K> nothing in the file? [18:17:09] <h3sp4wn> The SXCE installer is just logical how its done [18:17:09] <Asako> it needs the settings [18:17:31] <Socapex_2K> so I would include [18:17:39] <Socapex_2K> fets0: flags=201004843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,DHCP,IPv4,CoS> mtu 1500 index 2 [18:17:41] <Socapex_2K> inet 0.0.0.0 netmask ff000000 [18:17:42] <Asako> no [18:17:46] <Socapex_2K> :( [18:17:57] <Asako> not sure exactly what it needs since I use dhcp [18:18:09] <Asako> you could just run the network config app [18:19:05] <Socapex_2K> under admin>network? [18:19:14] <Asako> yes [18:19:36] <Socapex_2K> this doesn't work. complains about Network Auto-magic NWAM being enable [18:19:41] <Socapex_2K> i had tried it [18:19:47] <Asako> oh yeah [18:19:53] <Asako> svcadm disable nwadm [18:19:56] <Asako> er, wait [18:20:08] * jbit guesses Socapex_2Ks network also uses dhcp but the something is failing [18:20:16] <klg> xRaich[o]2x: thanx, again, any ideas why these things have not been taken into consideration in the opensolaris [18:20:29] *** spiki has quit IRC [18:20:32] <kimc> b101 now installing on the Acer Aspire One [18:20:41] <Asako> most desktops use dhcp [18:21:05] <xRaich[o]2x> klg: i'd give the solaris userland a try. or try some other shells. [18:21:08] <Asako> svcadm enable network/physical:default [18:21:10] <Socapex_2K> ill check if im using dhcp. the router is on the computer im using right now [18:21:13] <Asako> then configure the static ip [18:21:26] <Asako> yeah, router should have a dhcp server [18:21:53] <jbit> he said it's some via rhine binary driver, could be that it "doesn't work" or so [18:22:01] <Socapex_2K> so should i disable nwam [18:22:06] <Asako> no [18:22:18] <Asako> see if you can get dhcp to work first [18:22:19] <jbit> did dmesg say anything interesting about the device? [18:22:30] <Asako> klg, solaris is not linux [18:22:50] <Asako> the user land defaults are for compatibility [18:23:44] <Asako> you could always put /usr/gnu/bin in your path first [18:24:17] <klg> xRaich[o]2x: it would be gr8 if you could write a .bashrc file with all these small small settings in it, so that ppl can just download & use them [18:24:55] <klg> Asako: i know, i'm just talking about the bash shell [18:25:05] <Asako> haven't changed my bash rc much [18:25:21] <xRaich[o]2x> klg: i don't really use bash. i keep my bashrc pretty default to have somekind of linux fallback when i need it [18:26:34] <Asako> http://pastebin.ca/1243322 that's mine [18:27:23] <Auralis_> zsh ftw! :) [18:27:34] <klg> Asako: i know solaris is not linux, but bash shell is the same, if u see the bashrc in linux, its pretty neat & comprehensive with many default settings, again it is matter of personal choice and opinion [18:27:35] <hrist> ohy eah [18:28:00] <hrist> *oh yeah, zsh is great :-) [18:28:15] <Asako> is bash the default shell any way? [18:28:21] <Asako> thought it was sh [18:28:45] <Asako> and for Sun to change bash rc would break a lot of people's scripts [18:28:45] <xRaich[o]2x> i prefer ksh93 right now [18:28:49] <Asako> so they just don't do it [18:28:56] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris [18:29:10] <hrist> xRaich[o]2x: masochist! [18:29:14] <xRaich[o]2x> the zsh source scared the sh*t out of me [18:29:48] <klg> Asako: good compilation, i'm compiling list of my own preference in a bashrc file, will share with other users once completed [18:30:06] <Asako> I need to copy the screen rc we have on our vps servers [18:30:11] <Asako> it's nice [18:30:25] <hrist> based on the fact that I don't understand my .zshrc I won't share it *g* [18:30:33] <klg> Asako: r u using some command line client for connecting to irc, just curious as u've exported the IRC name in the bashrc file [18:30:44] <Asako> I was [18:30:51] <Asako> then I started using xchat [18:31:31] <klg> Asako: bash is the default shell on opensolaris 2008, sxde, belenix etc [18:31:37] <Asako> ah, sweet [18:31:44] <klg> solaris 10 & earlier versions still use sh [18:31:51] <xRaich[o]2x> hrist: zsh is a great shell but after looking at the almost unreadable code and finding a pretty serious bugs it dumped it. [18:31:53] <spiff> is there any development on pfbash? or something linking pfexec to bash? [18:32:05] *** Socapex_2K_ has joined #opensolaris [18:32:12] <Socapex_2K_> I'm sorry. I can't find wether im dhcp or not [18:32:14] <Socapex_2K_> connect pppoe [18:32:16] <sickness> I'm back [18:32:20] <Socapex_2K_> connection is PPPoe [18:32:23] <Asako> shouldn't pfexec use whatever shell your user has? [18:32:46] <klg> Asako: it does [18:32:47] <Auralis_> it does [18:32:50] <spiff> there are binaries for sh (pfsh) and ksh (pfksh) iirc [18:33:19] <klg> Asako: which distro r u using of solaris? [18:33:22] <Socapex_2K_> Yeah! I found it. DHCP is enabled [18:33:30] <Asako> svn 100 [18:34:27] <Socapex_2K_> could this help? [18:34:29] <Socapex_2K_> 3. Create or rename the /etc/hostname.XXX# to /etc/hostname.fets# [18:34:30] <Socapex_2K_> [18:34:33] <Socapex_2K_> The '#' of filename /etc/hostname.fetsX is the instance number of [18:34:35] <Socapex_2K_> driver. You can find this instance by examine the output of program [18:34:37] <Socapex_2K_> 'dmesg'. [18:34:41] <Socapex_2K_> so im fets0 [18:35:51] <klg> Asako: i mean , r u on solaris 10, sxde, belenix, opensolaris [18:36:20] <Asako> it's opensolaris [18:37:00] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [18:37:17] <Asako> I may set up a zone to run php 4 [18:38:32] <Asako> if I feel like moving my xen instance [18:39:46] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris [18:41:30] <kim0> Hi everyone, is it possible to install OS to USB flash .. (not live installation, but a real one!) [18:43:58] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris [18:45:02] *** Tobbe is now known as Tobbe|autoaway [18:46:59] *** Socapex_2K has quit IRC [18:51:38] <Asako> doh [18:51:45] <Asako> I was just gonna give him the syntax [18:52:04] *** hsp has quit IRC [18:52:13] *** kimo^^ has joined #opensolaris [18:52:25] <e^ipi> Asako: that's why it's always better to point people at documentation instead [18:52:37] <e^ipi> then they might actually learn something new [18:52:40] <Asako> yeah [18:52:56] <Asako> I was just looking for how to add an ip alias [18:53:50] <Asako> ifconfig: SIOCGLIFNETMASK: rtls0:1: no such interface [18:53:54] <Asako> hmm, that's weird [18:54:18] *** Michael39 has quit IRC [18:54:22] <h3sp4wn> You would have to plumb it first - but afaik dladm is the way to do that now [18:54:43] <Asako> doh [18:54:48] <Asako> thanks [18:55:02] <kimo^^> sorry .. was d/c .. what about a real OS installation on USB ? [18:55:23] *** kimo^^ is now known as kimo [18:59:28] <Asako> no idea, sorry [18:59:58] <kimo> looks interesting http://osholes.blogspot.com/2008/07/setting-up-zfs-and-opensolaris-on-usb.html [19:01:26] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris [19:02:48] *** Auralis_ has quit IRC [19:03:25] *** dsch_afk is now known as dsch04 [19:06:22] <klg> has anybody tried to run any linux binary on solaris [19:06:34] <oxygene> klg: that's what linux branded zones are for [19:07:18] <klg> i basically wanted to run skype, but as it's not natively supported on solaris, i was thinking of running it in brandz, if anyone has tried it, could u share your experience [19:07:32] *** kim0 has quit IRC [19:08:00] <oxygene> klg: it was reported to work once. otoh, lx zones only provide linux2.4 system calls, so if skype moved to linux2.6 executables, it won't work [19:08:58] <trygvis> there is a linux 2.6 brand too [19:09:13] <oxygene> work in progress, right? [19:09:25] <trygvis> true .. but it works for me :) [19:09:31] <oxygene> heh :) [19:09:38] *** Socapex_2K_ has quit IRC [19:09:51] <_mary_kate_> debian stable still uses a libc that supports linux 2.4, so as long as skype want to support that distribution, they probably won't require 2.6 [19:10:20] *** Auralis has joined #opensolaris [19:12:20] <oxygene> _mary_kate_: it mostly depends on the crt0 stuff that's embedded into the binaries. so if you build on a 2.6-aware system, the libc use might be 2.4-compatible, but the code right after the entry point isn't. [19:13:01] <_mary_kate_> oxygene: but the crt0 comes from the libc, no? so if they're building on libc 2.3 (which presumably they would in order to support it), the crt will still support 2.4.. [19:15:00] <Asako> at least it ain't libc5, lol [19:15:10] *** theRealBall has joined #opensolaris [19:15:33] <Asako> how would you run X on a zone? [19:15:36] <klg> branded zones, 1st req is to have sxce, can't i run branded zones on os2008 [19:15:47] <theRealBall> hi [19:16:04] <Asako> yes, os2008 has them [19:16:23] <Asako> I was messing with a lx zone running centos 3.9 [19:16:28] <th> Asako: why do you want to run X in there? [19:16:48] <Asako> guess you could use X11 forwarding [19:17:26] *** Tobbe|autoaway is now known as Tobbe [19:21:42] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [19:23:23] <klg> svcs -a | grep volfs, returns nothing on os2008, so how can i enable this service for installing lx zone [19:23:44] <_mary_kate_> you don't need volfs, you just need to mount the cdrom. volfs would do that automatically [19:25:26] <klg> _mary_kate_: in the documentation they've mentioed it, http://opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/install/ [19:26:51] <Tobbe> I'm running osol-0811-100a inside virtualbox, but it's slow it's unusable (takes about five minutes to launch the console, if it starts at all). Is there anything I can do to speed it up? I'm running on a Core2Duo 1.7GHz, 1GB RAM. [19:27:47] <Auralis> more ram, a lot more and install the guest additions [19:27:51] <klg> Tobbe: by default opensolaris needs 1 GB ram [19:28:17] <Tobbe> I only have 1GB, so I give 512 to opensolaris [19:28:47] <throwt> pretty much, solaris is a ram hog [19:28:54] <Tobbe> but there must be something wrong. The mouse doesn't even move [19:28:57] *** edgy has joined #opensolaris [19:29:42] <Tobbe> I move the cursor, wait 10 seconds, and then the cursor has moved to the new position... [19:30:01] <e^ipi> more than likely the harddrive ( or virtual hd anyways ) is grinding [19:30:04] <throwt> is reserving 512mb of ram pegging your host? [19:30:17] <Tobbe> not really (host is WinXP) [19:30:23] <e^ipi> likely culprit on that is swap because you don't have enough memory [19:30:38] <e^ipi> virtualization on a machine with 1GB of ram is pretty much a no-go [19:30:48] *** maverickbna has joined #opensolaris [19:31:10] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [19:31:18] *** maverickbna is now known as ShadowHntr [19:31:19] <e^ipi> ram is cheap, i picked up 8GB for $160 [19:31:46] <th> i'd love to get 8GB ram for $160 for my X4150 [19:31:51] <Tobbe> The box I'm thinking of running opensolaris on has 6gb, I just wanted to try it out on my laptop first [19:32:10] <throwt> put in the disc and reboot ;) [19:32:14] <e^ipi> Tobbe: ram is the issue. so don't get discouraged [19:32:21] <e^ipi> and yeah, what throwt said [19:32:23] <e^ipi> it's a livecd [19:32:58] <Tobbe> the stores are closed and I can't find an empty CD :S [19:33:03] <e^ipi> th: i would'nt deploy this box in production, it's way too much of a hack job for that [19:33:10] <e^ipi> but for my personal stuff, works fine [19:33:11] <Tobbe> I'll give it a go tomorrow [19:33:33] <th> e^ipi: the x4150 in general? [19:34:53] <e^ipi> th: no, my hackjob machine that i picked up a whole lot of ram for almost no money on [19:35:30] <th> e^ipi: ahh - k ;) [19:35:44] <th> e^ipi: i've some of those as well - and yea - ram is cheap for this target. [19:36:50] <Tobbe> maybe you guys can answer two of the questions I tried to answer myself by running the livecd... Does opensolaris have screen and irssi? So I can connect to it using ssh and chat on irc... [19:37:09] <th> Tobbe: i'm running screen on sxce [19:37:36] <throwt> by default, since he wants to run from the livecd [19:38:15] <Tobbe> th: great :) [19:38:25] <abisen> i am planning to build a home NAS using Solaris. For which i would be compiling a lot of packages and installing mysql/apache/UPnP... which version of solaris i should be downloading. (I am very new to Solaris) and I want to use ZFS from Solaris (and not BSD) [19:38:41] <e^ipi> Tobbe: 2008.05 does not. 2008.11 should [19:38:46] <e^ipi> it's in the repository in either case [19:38:58] <e^ipi> screen putback in b100 [19:38:59] <abisen> i see that there are three versions that are available (Solaris, Open Solaris, and then there is this express ) [19:39:04] <Tobbe> sounds good :) [19:39:30] <th> SUNWscreen is what i'm running [19:39:32] <e^ipi> abisen: yes, there are several distributions [19:39:40] <throwt> abisen: most likely no need to compile anything... and samp stack is available from sun's site. however for non-prod/no support contract, i recommend scxe [19:40:02] <e^ipi> s/from sun's site/by default/g [19:40:23] <abisen> e^ipi: scxe how can i download that and how do i find the amd64 version of that ... I am just confused because of somany diferent sites/links [19:40:28] <abisen> how can i get the binary (DVD) iso of 2008.11 [19:40:36] <e^ipi> abisen: there is no specifically amd64 version [19:40:37] <abisen> amd64 (scxe) [19:40:53] <e^ipi> abisen: the OS chooses the correct mode to go in to on boot [19:41:00] <abisen> awesome [19:41:13] <e^ipi> the download link is here: http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ [19:41:30] <e^ipi> SXCE == solaris express CE [19:41:34] <abisen> i am on that page.. and on the right side it shows Quick Download Links [19:41:52] <abisen> CD (b98) DVD (b101) 2 segments and 1 segment [19:42:03] <e^ipi> just pick the one-segment DVD [19:42:09] <abisen> would those be 2008.05 or 2008.11 (i think 2008.05) [19:42:20] <e^ipi> no [19:42:24] <abisen> 2008.11 [19:42:45] <abisen> ? [19:42:45] <e^ipi> the first link is opensolaris 2008.05, the second is SXCE [19:42:58] <e^ipi> 2008.11 isn't out yet but you can download betas of it [19:43:08] *** sstallion has quit IRC [19:43:17] <abisen> never mind i'll stick to the released version [19:43:24] <abisen> esp. if this is my first time [19:43:45] <abisen> e^ipi: you have been really helpful.. Now the second and last questions [19:44:14] <e^ipi> ultimately it's sun we're talking about so even the unstable version is pretty damned stable most of the time ( b99, 100, and 101-not-a were an exception ) [19:44:16] <abisen> is there any way i can run a virtual machine in Solaris ( version of windows or linux ) ? [19:44:27] <e^ipi> several [19:44:34] <Auralis> virtualbox works nicely [19:44:41] <e^ipi> virtualbox, xen, or brandz [19:44:43] <abisen> is this free as in beer ? [19:44:46] <e^ipi> yes [19:44:48] <e^ipi> all 3 are [19:44:48] <abisen> oh xen is in solaris ? [19:44:48] <Auralis> yes [19:44:54] <e^ipi> and free as in source too [19:44:59] <throwt> xen has been rebranded as xvm for solaris [19:45:29] <abisen> okay so that solves my last problem... just need to getting used to Solaris.. I hink if everything works then this would be my new distro... ( ZFS is really big for me ) [19:45:40] <e^ipi> yeah, zfs is pretty cool [19:45:47] <Asako> it's my new OS [19:45:58] <abisen> e^ipi: so if the beta's are stable (;)) then how can i get the scxe 2008.11 [19:45:58] <abisen> ? [19:45:59] <th> e^ipi: 101-not-a? [19:46:09] <Asako> genunix.org [19:46:16] <e^ipi> th: b101 was broken, and so they respun it as 101a [19:46:16] <abisen> i might just go with them as they would have the newest binaries and i am not making a production server [19:46:26] <Asako> 2008.05 is buggy any way [19:46:40] <th> e^ipi: i thought 100/100a was broken so it was skipped and 101 was next [19:46:41] <e^ipi> abisen: SXCE is the latest version, just look at the original link [19:46:49] <e^ipi> th: yes, and then 101 was broken too [19:46:59] <abisen> sol-nv-b101-x86-dvd.iso [19:47:10] <e^ipi> abisen: that'd be solaris express [19:47:12] <abisen> this is what sxce referes too [19:47:13] <e^ipi> aka SXCE [19:47:16] <e^ipi> yes [19:47:24] <e^ipi> that's the latest build [19:47:40] <abisen> okay so i'll stick to this.. .let me download it [19:48:06] <throwt> do sxce upgrades with zfs+zones work yet? [19:48:14] <th> e^ipi: so the latest sxce download (1segment dvd for 101) is broken? [19:48:20] <abisen> okay so virtualbox, brandz or xen which one is easiest ... [19:48:21] <th> e^ipi: or is it a 101a named 101? [19:48:37] <e^ipi> th: no, the SXCE build isn't broken, the ON tree was [19:48:45] <th> e^ipi: ahh ok. [19:48:47] <e^ipi> the broken SXCE was never released [19:48:47] <abisen> th: that's what i am downloading it's 3+ GB... is this broken [19:48:50] <glguy> What checksum function does Sun use? [19:48:58] <e^ipi> abisen: virtualbox is probably easiest [19:49:01] <glguy> I downloaded a checksums.txt when I downloaded SXCE [19:49:03] <e^ipi> glguy: cksum ? [19:49:14] <abisen> okay thanks a ton guys... [19:49:24] <abisen> really appreciate the help... [19:49:31] <e^ipi> glguy: oh, that... probably md5sum [19:49:38] <klg> glguy: md5sum [19:49:52] <glguy> OK, thanks. [19:49:59] <glguy> Is it weird that they don't specify? [19:50:20] <glguy> Or does everyone just assume md5 over sum, cksum, ripemd160 or sha1 [19:50:48] <e^ipi> i thought the download page explicitly said 'md5 sums' [19:51:04] <e^ipi> admittedly, i haven't used dlc in a while [19:51:48] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [19:51:56] <glguy> On the OpenSolaris page they seem to specify which hash they are using [19:52:10] <glguy> but I downloaded that SXCE DVD from the main sun site [19:52:14] *** theRealBall has quit IRC [19:53:02] <glguy> but my dvd's md5 sum matches what's listed in the file, so either I have an uncorrupted file or a *really* corrupted file :) [19:53:16] <th> sol-nv-b101-md5sum-x86.txt has it in it's filename [19:58:08] <e^ipi> there you go [19:58:19] <e^ipi> ( told you i hadn't used dlc in a while ) [19:58:24] *** techqbert has joined #opensolaris [19:58:31] <glguy> yeah, the filename was lost to me in the huge URL [19:58:36] <glguy> and I missed that part, thanks [19:59:14] *** eirikb has joined #opensolaris [19:59:42] <techqbert> If I guy to pkg image-update from snv_97, will I need to heed any preparation like I had from 2008.05 to snv_97? [19:59:51] <techqbert> If I go* [20:03:26] <e^ipi> no, that was a bug [20:07:46] <abisen> e^ipi: one more question... how is the support for mp3 and video codec's in solaris.. considering it's not GNU GPL do you see more out of the box support or do i have to download the codes and binaries from all the places to make everything work (vls, mplayer et. al.) [20:08:08] <houst0n-_> abisen: You can download mplayer or vlc from a number of places [20:08:14] <Auralis> just get mplayer and the gestreamer plugins and ya pretty much set [20:08:19] <houst0n-_> I can paly mp3/flac/wma/xvid without issues here [20:09:04] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [20:09:12] <abisen> so is there a site that I should be adding to my pkgadd (from where it would download and install these dependencies automatically) like yum et. al. [20:09:22] <houst0n-_> abisen: Check out blastwave.org [20:09:33] <abisen> houst0n-_: thaks.. i'll check it out [20:09:58] <houst0n-_> Let us know if you find any bugs! =) There is a newer rev of mplayer in testing if you feel like trying it out - blastwave.network.com/testing/index_cron.html [20:10:01] <e^ipi> actually it'd be at http://opencsw.org/ these days [20:10:06] * houst0n-_ frowns [20:10:15] <e^ipi> blastwave is now indiana only IIRC [20:10:24] <houst0n-_> Bah fuck off, troll :P [20:10:44] <abisen> wow... in simple english ... what does that two means... CSW / Indiana [20:11:05] <houst0n-_> CSW = community software [20:11:06] <e^ipi> abisen: sorry, indiana is the 2008.05/2008.11 distro [20:11:19] <houst0n-_> which is now split between two organization - blastwave.org, and opencsw.org [20:11:26] <e^ipi> there was some silly infighting that happened with the blastwave people a while back [20:11:44] <abisen> so i should use blastwave as i am using 2008.xx or CSW ?? [20:12:06] <e^ipi> if you're using 2008.xx, you'll use blastwave/csw [20:12:17] <e^ipi> no [20:12:17] <abisen> meaning both [20:12:20] <houst0n-_> I've not looked at opencsw.org recently, but blastwave has some decent packages [20:12:24] <houst0n-_> I'm a tad biased though [20:12:25] *** edgy has left #opensolaris [20:12:33] <e^ipi> ignore what I just said [20:12:37] <Auralis> build your own pkgs, it will also help you learn the system [20:12:44] <e^ipi> 2008.XX have their own stuff, [20:12:50] <e^ipi> pkg(5) [20:13:02] <e^ipi> but you said you're using sxce, so just use blastwave [20:13:17] <abisen> e^ipi: okay... i'll stick to blastwave [20:14:10] <abisen> Auralis: I totally agree but my work now a days does not gives me enough time to play... only over week eneds i can do these things.. (i have some building exp) as I used to work on Gentoo and Ubuntu (i still have my Gentoo box running my web server) [20:14:28] <houst0n-_> You use gentoo as a SERVER? [20:14:30] <houst0n-_> Honestly? [20:14:30] <abisen> and have been planning to get my hands dirty on Solaris.. for some time now [20:14:42] <abisen> houst0n-_: this is all my home machines in my basement [20:14:48] <houst0n-_> Yuck [20:14:50] <abisen> houst0n-_: at work we are RHEL / CentOS [20:15:00] <houst0n-_> Ah [20:15:10] <houst0n-_> We don't really speak with the linux people at my office [20:15:14] <houst0n-_> they're not to be trusted [20:15:16] <e^ipi> heh [20:15:17] <abisen> but i might get a server or two of solaris once i am comfortable... as ZFS is a bit motivating ... factor [20:15:26] <houst0n-_> I swear like 80% of them use emacs [20:15:37] <Asako> heh [20:15:39] <abisen> heh :) i am a vi person [20:15:43] <Asako> we have people that use nano [20:15:46] <e^ipi> i don't have enough fingers to use emacs [20:15:50] <Asako> vim ftw [20:16:04] <houst0n-_> vim yep, perfect [20:16:07] <abisen> did anybody check out zfs+ [20:16:24] <e^ipi> abisen: it's not clear to me what exactly it is [20:16:34] <houst0n-_> '' '' [20:16:40] <e^ipi> something or other rolled on top of ZFS [20:16:40] <abisen> neither do I ... have been hearing about them for some time [20:16:50] <abisen> they rolled some addition sto ZFS [20:17:01] <abisen> that gives them the ability to do de-Duplication on the wire [20:17:41] <e^ipi> sounds like a lot of marketing babble [20:17:41] *** mega has quit IRC [20:17:43] <abisen> a good File Server for office eployments [20:17:59] <houst0n-_> de-dup "on the wire" ?? [20:18:02] <houst0n-_> I'm interested .. [20:18:11] <abisen> e^ipi: yup there is a lot of marketing bubble but the fact that they can do async replication and de-dupe helps a lot for many office workflows [20:18:45] <abisen> and coupled with a nice web-interface (it is a easy sell to stupid netapp infested admins) [20:19:04] <Asako> sounds interesting [20:19:30] <Asako> we're trying to come up with a clustering storage system [20:19:37] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [20:19:41] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [20:19:53] *** kimc has quit IRC [20:20:07] <e^ipi> Asako: sam/qfs ? [20:20:09] <e^ipi> *shrug* [20:20:19] <e^ipi> NFI, i've not looked too deeply in to that sort of thing [20:21:32] *** mist has joined #opensolaris [20:21:59] <Asako> I'll have to check that out [20:22:19] <Asako> could be part of the package I guess [20:24:29] *** duri has joined #opensolaris [20:24:32] <Asako> I wonder what S3 uses [20:26:01] <e^ipi> lustre? ( which sun owns now... NFI when a solaris port is coming ) [20:26:03] <mui> what is zfs+? [20:26:05] <e^ipi> *shrug* [20:26:14] <e^ipi> mui: that's what the rest of us are wondering [20:26:41] <abisen> e^ipi: the ZFS port of Lustre has been put on hold for now (that's going to be a bummer) [20:26:53] <Asako> that sucks [20:27:08] <abisen> e^ipi: even the clustered Metadata is not going to be there soon.. [20:27:17] <Asako> something like gfs is probably the best bet [20:27:23] <abisen> that's more due to the licensing and other issues rather than technical [20:27:31] <abisen> Asako: GFS Sucks .. [20:27:40] <Asako> what about ocfs? [20:27:53] <abisen> GPFS is good :) [20:27:53] <mui> zfs live replication would be insanely cool [20:28:01] <abisen> with their Solaris and Windows Support... [20:28:05] <abisen> GPFS is a killer [20:28:06] <Asako> yeah it would be [20:28:25] <Asako> just trying to wrap my head around how to get 2 web servers accessing the same data store [20:28:29] <abisen> SAN/NAS and PFS in the same codebase is GPFS [20:28:55] <Asako> NFS works, but has some issues [20:28:57] <abisen> For free GFS at a Price (SNFS or GPFS) [20:29:04] <abisen> or maybe QFS [20:29:34] <Auralis> suncluster comes with a clusterFS, might be worth to check out. [20:33:47] <Asako> hmm [20:34:46] *** houst0n-_ has quit IRC [20:35:50] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [20:41:51] *** teo` has joined #opensolaris [20:46:22] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris [20:51:53] *** glguy has left #opensolaris [20:52:58] *** Disorganized has quit IRC [20:53:09] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris [20:54:00] *** cypromis has quit IRC [20:54:16] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris [20:54:37] <[RIT]Rawn027> does anyone have experience with the snmp portion of fault management with opensolaris? [21:00:13] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [21:06:10] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris [21:06:25] *** Gekz has quit IRC [21:13:20] *** swa_work has quit IRC [21:15:56] *** mannyris has joined #opensolaris [21:16:44] <mannyris> how do you cahange shells in opensolris? the chsh did not work for me... [21:16:45] *** djgregor has joined #opensolaris [21:17:55] <mannyris> who do you change shells? [21:18:07] *** mannyris has left #opensolaris [21:20:16] <Auralis> usermod [21:23:52] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris [21:24:24] <victori_> Asako: mogilefs [21:26:43] *** swa_work has quit IRC [21:28:19] <Asako> I was just reading about hadoop [21:32:56] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [21:33:00] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [21:33:30] <Asako> not sure if solaris has that [21:37:58] <quasi> Asako: it's possible to run hadoop on solaris [21:37:59] *** duri has quit IRC [21:38:15] <quasi> Asako: hadoop is just a steaming pile of java [21:39:08] <sponix> anyone in here use SFE on the regular ? [21:40:23] *** niq has joined #opensolaris [21:41:16] <e^ipi> i wonder if any of the live election streaming sites are going to not block me out for being canadian [21:42:52] <jbit> why would anybody outside the US possibly be interested in the election [21:42:59] <jbit> it's not like the US is a super power or anything [21:43:05] <jbit> ;( [21:43:07] <jbit> err ;) [21:43:19] <e^ipi> heh [21:43:30] <smtms> jbit, the future economic development of the US is more interesting [21:43:39] <e^ipi> a lot of the US news sites that you can watch online don't work up here [21:43:59] <jbit> e^ipi: nod, they don't work in europe either [21:44:06] <e^ipi> one of them even tried to blame cancon ( 30% of programming in canada has to be vaguely-defined canadian made ) [21:44:10] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has quit IRC [21:44:25] <e^ipi> which is ridiculous, CRTC doesn't have any mandate over the internet [21:44:36] *** Tobbe is now known as Tobbe|autoaway [21:44:44] *** clyons has quit IRC [21:44:55] *** clyons has joined #opensolaris [21:45:00] <jbit> hopefully next week i can begin to migrate my build machines to solaris \o/ [21:45:24] <eirikb> e^ipi: SSH tunnel through the states? :) [21:45:45] <e^ipi> well, yeah... i could punch in to work but i don't think that the admins would appreciate it [21:45:56] <e^ipi> streaming video across the VPN [21:46:51] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC [21:46:57] <eirikb> Everything is possible on the internets :D [21:47:22] <Asako> oh yeah, that's tuesday [21:47:25] <jbit> i'll just watch the bbc streams... oh wait they don't stream outside of uk either :( [21:47:28] <Asako> you want the cspan url? [21:48:24] <jbit> i'm sure i can find a stream ;) [21:48:36] <jbit> obama vs. pallin [21:48:46] <jbit> (because really, nobody seems to be voting for mccain) [21:50:04] <jbit> </politics> (sorry) [21:51:10] *** luna1 has joined #opensolaris [21:51:38] <hrist> palin got pranked! [21:51:51] <hrist> I was so amused reading the article :) [21:53:35] <e^ipi> ahh, nifty [21:53:37] <e^ipi> cspan works [21:53:52] <e^ipi> well, it uses realplayer so some definition of "works" but i can view it anyways [21:54:58] <Asako> lol [21:55:05] <Asako> and windows media [21:55:27] <jbit> isn't there a realplayer for solaris? :) [21:55:35] <Asako> there is [21:55:43] <Asako> but cspan's site never worked with the plugin [21:55:44] <e^ipi> there is, i just hate real....Loading.....player [21:56:03] <jbit> They changed it from "Buffering..." ? damn :) [21:56:04] <Asako> rtsp://rx-wes-sea74.rbn.com/farm/pull/tx-rbn-sea001:2459/farm/cspan/g2cspan/live/cspan1-g2.rm is what I use [21:56:51] <jbit> i don't get why people don't use MPEG [21:57:01] <Asako> bandwidth [21:57:23] <Asako> inertia, places already using real won't want to chnage [21:57:25] <Plazma> so does wificonfig NOT support WPA or WPA2 ? [21:57:27] <jbit> mpeg4 is very low bandwidth [21:57:31] <Asako> without damn good reasons [21:57:36] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [21:57:38] <jbit> intertia i'll agree with :) [21:57:55] <Asako> I like ogg theora [21:58:39] <jbit> i like dirac [21:58:57] <Asako> xvid is what I use for movies [21:58:58] *** hsp has quit IRC [21:59:11] <jbit> xvid = MPEG4 SP [21:59:20] <Asako> yeah [21:59:44] <hrist> wmv! *me runs* [21:59:51] <jbit> vc-1 isn't too bad [21:59:55] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris [22:00:22] <jbit> the main reason i dislike it is it's very "me too!" ish, it's similar in design and performance to h264.. [22:01:39] *** spiki has joined #opensolaris [22:01:40] <Asako> h264 had a lot of problems streaming to my xbox [22:01:51] <Asako> xvid with mp3 audio plays fine [22:02:11] <jbit> oposite on ps3, never had any issues with h264, had a few with xvid/divx :) [22:02:28] <Asako> somebody needs to build ushare for solaris [22:02:39] <jbit> i did, and mediatomb ;) [22:02:48] <Asako> I tried and the compile failed [22:02:50] <jbit> mediatomb "works" better [22:02:55] <jbit> but i hate the user interface [22:03:33] <Asako> I'm using a windows desktop any way [22:03:46] <Asako> can't play diablo on solaris, hehe [22:04:01] <jbit> my server at home runs solaris, which is why i built the upnp servers ;) [22:04:02] <e^ipi> sure you can [22:04:05] <e^ipi> there's wine packages [22:04:17] <Asako> eh, that's a pain [22:04:18] <jbit> wine build cleanly anyway [22:05:00] <Asako> some day I'll probably reinstall [22:05:07] <Asako> starting to have weird issues [22:05:36] <e^ipi> i had to reinstall because i nuked something at around build 99 IIRC [22:05:38] <Asako> dvd drive won't read discs, reboot and it's fine, etc. [22:05:51] <e^ipi> which made me sad because the initial install on that machine was build 47 and i had liveupgraded up all the way [22:06:06] <Asako> and zfs would be perfect for my media library [22:06:27] <jbit> yeah, zfs is deh r0x0r for media ;) [22:06:29] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris [22:06:36] <jbit> it's very fast and easy to manage :) [22:06:50] <jbit> i get about 220mbyte/sec read performance on my raidZ array at home [22:06:56] <Asako> nice [22:06:58] <jbit> can't ask for more than that imho ;) [22:06:59] *** Plazma has left #opensolaris [22:08:05] *** Plazma has joined #opensolaris [22:09:12] <Asako> solaris 10 is very nice [22:09:39] <jbit> well i'm using opensolaris, which is also very nice [22:10:00] *** ceri has joined #opensolaris [22:10:25] <jbit> shame my hardware sucks and i had to play with the ahci driver to get it working in 64bit mode [22:11:23] <Asako> in theory, I could give each mysql db its own file system [22:11:43] <Asako> hmm [22:12:55] <e^ipi> Asako: you should [22:13:04] <e^ipi> and you should also set the block size to be correct [22:13:28] <Asako> I just want to mess around with compression and stuff [22:13:32] <jbit> i was going to say, isn't there an advantage in doing that such you can optimzie the block size per database [22:13:40] <e^ipi> jbit: yeah [22:13:47] <e^ipi> zfs set recordsize=?? pool/fs [22:13:53] <jbit> the compression is really cool for source filesystems [22:13:53] <e^ipi> on postgres it's 8k [22:13:59] <e^ipi> IIRC mysql uses 32k blocks [22:14:10] <jbit> the source is almost as small outside a tar.gz as it is inside ;) [22:14:21] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [22:14:24] <Asako> I enable it for user home directories [22:14:34] <jbit> of course it's a bit bigger because the compression dictionary isn't over all the files like it is for the tar [22:17:05] *** vk5foss has joined #opensolaris [22:18:29] *** ceri has quit IRC [22:18:52] *** gottadoit` has joined #opensolaris [22:22:46] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [22:23:53] <Asako> jbit, did you change your path to compile ushare? [22:24:19] <Asako> I think it's assuming gnu grep [22:24:49] <jbit> yeah i had to do a few tweaks [22:25:19] <jbit> can't remember exactly what, i have a script in my home dir that puts things into "GNU mode" which makes building linuxy stuff a bit easier [22:25:44] <Asako> cool [22:29:36] *** kgoetz has quit IRC [22:29:41] *** mikl has quit IRC [22:30:25] <e^ipi> you just toss /usr/gnu/bin and /usr/sfw/bin at the head of $PATH before you compile something that's picky [22:31:27] <Asako> that's what I figured [22:31:31] *** Disorganized has quit IRC [22:33:55] <jbit> man being at work at 22:30 on a sunday is freaky [22:34:18] <CosmicDJ> it is; I hope you're getting paid for this ;) [22:34:40] <jbit> well i'm not actually doing work [22:34:58] <jbit> i'm build master and the build failed yesterday so just sitting around making sure todays happens [22:35:20] *** gottadoit has quit IRC [22:35:48] <jbit> it's such a big building that it's kinda spooky at night [22:35:49] * CosmicDJ mumbles about ssh/rdp/etc... [22:36:14] <jbit> CosmicDJ: yeah, i can do that but i'm 99% the build will fail and i'll have to hack some code [22:36:30] <jbit> plus there's free coffee/food here ;) [22:37:19] <Asako> we're 24/7 [22:37:21] <jbit> (and a gaming room, and i have three game consoles on my desk.... and two tvs... so it's not exactly like it's a bad thing i'm here ) [22:37:31] <Asako> servers never sleep [22:37:39] <e^ipi> i work from my living room [22:37:56] <jbit> e^ipi: lucky :) [22:38:02] <e^ipi> or more accurately, a second desk i've sequestered with drapes in a corner of my living room [22:38:02] <jbit> although i think i'd go crazy if i was at home all day [22:38:09] <Asako> I can't work remotely [22:38:14] <e^ipi> i dunno, i prefer actually going to work, because then i have off-time [22:38:20] <Asako> hard to replace drives and stuff from home [22:38:40] <jbit> i'm usually "at work" from 10am to about 8pm on weekdays [22:38:43] <e^ipi> Asako: can't you hire a minion at damn-near minimum wage to do that? [22:38:51] <jbit> it's dangerous when companies have a relaxed culture [22:38:53] <e^ipi> some college kid or something [22:39:22] <Asako> not really [22:39:31] <Asako> I do more stuff than that [22:39:36] <jbit> hrm, americans: peanut butter and jelly... "jelly" means jam right? what flavour is it usually? [22:39:38] <e^ipi> jbit: well, i wouldn't say working from home is 'relaxed' per se, just that geography doesn't matter so long as you produce [22:39:46] <Asako> plus we want people we can trust to not screw up [22:39:47] <jbit> e^ipi: well i meant my office :) [22:39:57] <jbit> e^ipi: because it's so relaxed i don't feel the need to go home when i should.. [22:40:03] <Asako> like being a moron and reinitializing somebody's raid [22:40:32] <Asako> jbit, grape, strawberry, raspberry [22:40:39] <jbit> Asako: ah, okay :) [22:40:49] <Asako> pb & honey also works [22:40:52] <jbit> was just curious because there was peanut butter and jam in the cantina [22:41:03] <e^ipi> i like peanut butter and jam sandwiches with apricot jam [22:41:03] <jbit> and i decided "let's try it"... it's not very nice [22:41:08] <Asako> lol [22:41:16] <Asako> you gotta have the right stuff [22:41:24] <jbit> it's skippy peanut butter [22:41:26] <e^ipi> jbit: the sweet/savory mix is a pretty north american thing [22:41:28] <jbit> and some... danish... jam [22:41:35] <jbit> dunno it's name [22:41:43] <Asako> Americans are all about sugar [22:41:59] <e^ipi> and salt [22:42:02] <jbit> denmark is all about salt [22:42:04] <Asako> and ranch dressing [22:42:07] <e^ipi> and north americans are, it's not restricted to the USA [22:42:11] <jbit> "hey, here's some candy.. let's put salt on it!" [22:42:26] <Asako> chocolate covered pretzels rock [22:43:06] <e^ipi> heh... crazy dutch doublezoute licorice [22:43:25] <Asako> hmm [22:43:47] <e^ipi> i had friends that love it, i thought about having them committed as they were a danger to themselves and others [22:44:05] <jbit> salt liquorish is disgusting ;( [22:44:14] <Asako> never had it [22:44:22] <Asako> I like salt and vinegar [22:44:28] <jbit> salmiak ;( [22:44:31] <e^ipi> Asako: it's terrible [22:44:45] <jbit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmiakki [22:44:52] <jbit> "Salty liquorice or salmiak (salmiakki in Finnish) is a variety of liquorice (confectionery) that contains a relatively large amount of ammonium chloride (NH4Cl, "salmiac")" [22:44:57] <jbit> is all you need to know about it [22:45:07] <Asako> oh yeah [22:45:12] <Asako> Linus was talking about that stuff [22:45:15] *** mega has quit IRC [22:45:25] <jbit> yeah it's a nordic thing so it doesn't suprise me :) [22:45:32] <e^ipi> yeah, he would too wouldn't he [22:45:42] <jbit> "Ammonium chloride is sold in blocks at hardware stores for use in cleaning the tip of a soldering iron and can also be included in solder as flux." [22:45:54] <e^ipi> and you eat it! [22:45:58] <jbit> i don't :) [22:46:03] * jbit is not danish or nordic :P [22:46:19] <e^ipi> i TOLD YOU that linux people were crazy [22:46:22] <Asako> I've tried to introduce Americans to some real candy. Most of them just spit it out, because they've been indoctrinated in the whole "sugar with some bland taste" religion of candy eating. And I blame Halloween. [22:46:23] <e^ipi> they eat solder [22:46:24] <Asako> lol [22:46:37] <e^ipi> Asako: you define "real candy" how? [22:46:48] <Asako> http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/candyland.html [22:47:18] <e^ipi> my family is mennonite so "candy" was "work harder, you'll have plenty of time for candy if you don't go to hell for being lazy" [22:47:24] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [22:47:36] <Asako> hah [22:47:41] *** ninjasli1 has joined #opensolaris [22:47:46] <jbit> we get candy for fixing p1 bugs at work [22:47:57] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris [22:47:58] <Asako> Ammonia is a good cleaner [22:48:29] <jbit> which of course causes coders to go "hrm, i ould use some candy" and commit p1 bugs on purpose :( [22:48:44] <jbit> or ratehr, commit code that would cause a p1 bug [22:48:47] <Asako> Linus is funny [22:50:10] <Asako> kernel stuff makes me feel so dumb [22:50:14] *** gottadoit has joined #opensolaris [22:50:26] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [22:50:31] <e^ipi> well, if you're reading the linux kernel source it probably should [22:50:36] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [22:50:44] <Asako> I tried reading the NetBSD source once [22:50:49] *** mega has quit IRC [22:50:50] <e^ipi> where the solution to 'struct' is 'read it byte by byte' for some dumbass reason [22:50:54] <Asako> but I don't know C, so it's useless [22:51:14] <jbit> c is definatly a requirement :) [22:51:26] <jbit> and usually arch. knowledge [22:51:30] <_mary_kate_> not at all... didn't you see the Sun paper on writing kernel drivers in Java? [22:51:35] <e^ipi> " using too much memory? let's kill processes at random! " - Linux: 5 5's quality, guaranteed [22:51:38] <Asako> lol [22:51:43] <Asako> I hate that [22:51:46] <jbit> so knowing about things like mmio/dma/irqs/etc definatly helps [22:51:53] <Asako> server is down, oh, it's OOM [22:52:30] <Asako> I see far too many kernel panics too [22:52:33] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [22:52:41] <_mary_kate_> that's okay, linux kernel panics are non-fata [22:52:46] <Asako> and ext3 journal errors, but that's another ball of wax [22:52:59] <e^ipi> Asako: you didn't really want that data anyways [22:53:05] <Asako> I wouldn't have a job if stuff didn't break [22:53:34] <Asako> I still don't know what an orphaned inode is [22:53:49] <e^ipi> it's an inode that wants more gruel [22:53:49] <_mary_kate_> an inode not referenced from a diretory [22:53:52] <Asako> guess I should read up [22:54:29] <Asako> _mary_kate_, what if the whole OS was in java? [22:54:40] <e^ipi> then it would be nachos [22:54:44] <Auralis> they tried that, it blowed goats [22:55:02] <e^ipi> which, NachOS? [22:55:27] <e^ipi> it was built for undergrad students to learn the basics of OS's, who cares if it sucks [22:55:28] <Auralis> JavaOS, sun used that for the javastations [22:55:28] <jbit> java for drivers might be fun [22:55:45] <jbit> i mean liek firmware drivers... openfirmware uses fcode [22:55:54] <Asako> doesn't sound fun [22:56:14] <jbit> fcode ain't fun either ;) [22:57:17] *** jgracin has quit IRC [22:57:59] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [22:59:44] *** Yorlik has joined #opensolaris [23:00:12] *** cypromis_ is now known as cypromis [23:02:17] <Asako> #linux is full of dumb questions [23:02:58] <e^ipi> shocking... </sarcasm> [23:03:30] <Asako> lol [23:03:34] <Asako> it reminds me of work [23:03:52] <throwt> creating zones on a 2x733... == work of patience .. creating 10 zones... == 100x patience [23:03:59] <Asako> #1 question, what distro should I use? [23:04:10] <Asako> 733 mhz? [23:04:17] <throwt> yes... [23:04:23] <Asako> hmm [23:04:34] <Asako> I have a dual p3, would that run solaris 10? [23:04:55] *** anathematic has joined #opensolaris [23:04:57] <jbit> Asako: why wouldn't it? :) [23:04:59] <throwt> you'd likely need a /etc/system hack, but yes [23:05:07] *** gottadoit` has quit IRC [23:05:27] <e^ipi> yeah, p3 is fine [23:05:33] <e^ipi> needs a bunch of ram [23:05:40] <e^ipi> but cpu speed isn't important [23:05:46] <Asako> I have 912 MB memory [23:05:51] <throwt> http://unixadmintalk.com/1486524-post2.html [23:06:00] <jbit> opensolaris isn't very ram hungry in my experience [23:06:38] <Asako> got CentOS on it now [23:06:52] <Asako> but I migrated my sites so it's not being used [23:08:24] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [23:08:49] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [23:09:28] *** teo` has quit IRC [23:10:15] *** Disorganized has quit IRC [23:15:32] *** Fidi has quit IRC [23:15:53] *** Fish has quit IRC [23:18:14] <anathematic> hi I' having problems installing protftpd on my server, could someone please have a look at my error? http://pastebin.com/m4700fe50 [23:18:21] *** Chipdancer_ has joined #opensolaris [23:19:20] <throwt> its really annoying how enabling gzip compression on a zfs filesystem causes the whole machine to lock up periodically while it processes the info... from within processes not waiting on disk [23:19:37] <e^ipi> solution: don't do that [23:19:40] <e^ipi> you don't gain much [23:20:09] <throwt> i thought it wouldnt happen because it was supposed to have been threaded [23:22:11] *** abisen has quit IRC [23:24:11] *** dsch04 has quit IRC [23:25:44] *** dsch04 has joined #opensolaris [23:26:14] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC [23:26:31] *** luc^ has quit IRC [23:27:40] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris [23:29:23] *** AxeZ has quit IRC [23:30:16] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [23:30:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay [23:37:44] <abisen> e^ipi: i have installed solaris express, i wanted to know how can i get gcc/g++ or just the compilers required for compiling applications (sun Studio et. al.) [23:37:54] <abisen> e^ipi: have also installed blastwave [23:38:10] <throwt> they should all be on the disc [23:38:40] <abisen> throwt: so should i use pkgadd and specify the location of the mounted disc [23:38:41] <abisen> ? [23:39:20] <throwt> go to the location of .../Packages, figure out the package, pkgadd -d . packagename [23:40:04] <abisen> okay... fair enough... thanks [23:40:45] *** drbrown has joined #opensolaris [23:43:51] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris [23:47:05] <abisen> is there an application named pkg (i cant seem to find one for running commands like pkg refresh; pkg install SUNWipkg" [23:47:22] <_mary_kate_> abisen: only indiana (2008.05) has IPS (pkg) [23:47:52] <drbrown> what would cause my keyboard not to function after booting 2008.05 [23:48:01] <drbrown> it worked on the live CD [23:48:02] <abisen> _mary_kate_: so what should i use for equavalent ... i have Sun Solaris Express [23:48:11] <anathematic> hi I' having problems installing protftpd on my server, could someone please have a look at my error? http://pastebin.com/m4700fe50 and point me in the right situation? [23:48:15] <_mary_kate_> gcc is in /usr/sfw/bin [23:48:25] <drbrown> the numlock and caps lock keys don't function [23:48:32] <drbrown> either [23:48:47] <th> abisen: http://opencsw.org/pkg-get [23:49:51] <abisen> th: sorry for my rhetoric.. but how would i add the default sun packages like Sun Studio et. al. i can use pkginfo for listing all the installed packages but how do i find available packages in on the DVD that can be installed [23:50:11] <_mary_kate_> studio is at www.sun.com/software/products/studio/ [23:52:09] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has quit IRC