[00:00:40] <Ouroboro> when attaching a disk to make a 2-way mirror, during resilvering, why does 'zpool status' report a small amount of data resilvered on the original drive?
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[00:03:24] <CIA-58> Sumit Gupta <Sumit.Gupta at Sun dot COM>: 6764250 fct: ELS dequeue condition is redundantly being checked, 6752001 BAD TRAP: (#pf Page fault) addr=20 occurred in module "stmf" due to a NULL pointer dereference, 6750779 itadm is hung with delete-tpg, 6759477 panic message: Deadlock: cycle in blocking chain
[00:04:09] <surgex> okay, so i have a fibrechannel card, loaded the driver, and attached my storage..how can i tell if it's being seen by the os?
[00:04:19] <stevel> iostat
[00:04:28] <stevel> iostat -En should tell you the devices it sees
[00:05:32] <surgex> damn
[00:05:34] <surgex> not seeing it
[00:06:26] <surgex> i got link lights on the storage and card though, so i assume the driver is working
[00:07:05] <surgex> oh well, guess ill pick up tomorrow :) thanks
[00:07:55] <Ouroboro> if iostat -En does not see see, then the driver is probably not working, but good luck :)
[00:09:14] <surgex> lol
[00:09:27] <surgex> damn =\
[00:09:53] <surgex> its a solaris 9/10 driver, im trying to use it on os05.2008
[00:09:57] <dvz> what about luxadm probe?
[00:10:00] <surgex> figured id give it a try
[00:10:03] <Ouroboro> although i dont know about FC cards, this might require more configuration?
[00:10:24] <dvz> or fcinfo?
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[00:10:45] <Ouroboro> or cfgadm -al ?
[00:11:04] <surgex> fcinfo hba-port says hno adapters founhd
[00:11:07] <dvz> or ls -l /dev/fc
[00:11:08] <surgex> not good
[00:11:32] <surgex> no fc directory in /dev
[00:11:35] <surgex> also not good
[00:11:42] <dvz> no luck then
[00:11:47] <surgex> yeh
[00:11:48] <Ouroboro> yeah the driver probably did not load/attach
[00:11:49] <surgex> thanks though
[00:12:42] <dvz> devfsadm -v ?
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[00:16:37] <surgex> that sees them
[00:17:33] <Doc> hmm.. loss of $1.7 billion
[00:17:47] <Doc> good thing they renamed to JAVA or it would have been over $2 billion!
[00:20:13] <Ouroboro> no worries, that only like 0.2% of the bailout
[00:21:02] <dvz> surgex did devfsadm create the device files?
[00:26:06] <delphinen> I installed Midnight Commander from the OpenSolaris and it began to download thousand of files
[00:26:44] <delphinen> now my 3com network card says that driver is not properly configured
[00:27:33] <Ouroboro> zfs mirror: if a device becomes unavailable and is then brought online, will this cause a resilver?
[00:27:44] <surgex> yes
[00:27:47] <surgex> it did
[00:28:10] <surgex> and now iostat shows my array!
[00:28:20] <delphinen> could someone help me?
[00:28:36] <delphinen> how to properly configure or reinstall the 3com driver?
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[00:28:58] <surgex> thanks dvz
[00:29:05] <surgex> i cant believe it works!!
[00:30:07] <Ouroboro> congratulations
[00:30:41] <surgex> how come that was not done automatically though?
[00:30:51] <RElling1> Ouroboro: yes, zpool online will reconstruct data on the drive
[00:30:51] <dvz> glad i could help :)
[00:32:36] <dvz> it's designed that way
[00:34:09] <surgex> ahh i see
[00:34:12] <surgex> im so used to linux =\
[00:34:45] <surgex> time to set up my iscsi target and attach my other 5 arrays
[00:34:58] <surgex> i bet the performance will be alot better than linux was with ext3
[00:35:30] <dvz> just don't forget to enable jumbo frames
[00:35:57] <Ouroboro> RElling1: is this any different from detaching and reattaching the device or 'zpool replace'?
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[00:37:01] <surgex> how to enable large mtu in opensolaris? :D
[00:37:24] <dvz> surgex: this might be helpful on iscsi: http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/4219-Less-known-Solaris-Features-iSCSI-Part-1-Introduction.html
[00:37:38] <surgex> sweet, thanks
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[00:39:03] <dvz> http://prefetch.net/blog/index.php/2005/10/16/enabling-jumbo-frames-with-sun-solaris-and-cisco-catos/
[00:40:37] <RElling1> Ouroboro: only slightly different.  The end result is the same, the starting point is different.
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[00:42:04] <dvz> bye
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[00:42:23] <Ouroboro> RElling1: hm, i just put the unavailable device back in, and it became online automatically?
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[00:42:44] <bigjocker> hi all
[00:43:10] <bigjocker> where can I find the release notes for osol-0811-100a?
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[00:43:54] <comay> bigjocker, they will be coming out soon
[00:44:04] <bigjocker> oh
[00:44:07] <bigjocker> thanks
[00:44:12] <bigjocker> i'm downloading anyway
[00:45:14] <Ouroboro> RElling1: nm, i guess that is correct
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[00:46:15] <Ouroboro> another thing, the device that i reattached reported 1 checksum error... is this due to the fact that it became desynchronized or is this an actual error?
[00:46:27] <bigjocker> also, is there a fixed date for the release of 2008.11 or is it 'sometime november'?
[00:46:39] <Ouroboro> (i just removed the device originally for testing, it was not an actual failure)
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[00:48:33] <jinx099> When is IPS moving to 101?
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[00:49:10] <RElling1> Ouroboro: data errors, if any, are shown by the "zpool status -v" command
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[00:51:14] <Ouroboro> RElling1: yes, there 1 checksum error there on the the device that was onlined... i am wondering whether this is a normal part of the online/rebuild process or an actual error on the device by coincidence
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[00:54:13] <nachox> evening all
[00:54:27] <RElling1> Ouroboro: dunno, but if there are no data errors, then ZFS fixed it
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[00:59:34] <Ouroboro> hm, why does my dtlogin console banner (starting desktop login...) display only the first 2 lines now?
[00:59:37] <Ouroboro> oh well
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[01:00:54] <apersson> howdy
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[01:05:58] <Ouroboro> hm, i have 2-way root mirror, i can boot w/o device 1, but if i boot w/o device 0, i get a kernel panic...
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[01:10:37] <AstroTux> Hi
[01:10:55] <AstroTux> I've just installed oS onto my system, but having a prob with the network
[01:11:15] <AstroTux> drivers installed fine, and it detects the cable connection
[01:11:26] <AstroTux> I can ping hosts by IP but DNS won't work
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[01:11:38] <AstroTux> It appears to be correctly configured (I disabled auto mode)
[01:11:45] <Ouroboro> static or dhcp?
[01:11:45] <AstroTux> Any ideas???
[01:11:49] <AstroTux> Static
[01:12:03] <AstroTux> Firewall is oopen, DNS server is good (using a windows box for DNS)
[01:12:18] <Ouroboro> check /etc/resolv.conf
[01:12:56] <AstroTux> nameserver 172.16.0.1
[01:13:05] <AstroTux> search 172.16.0.1
[01:13:09] <AstroTux> EOF
[01:14:05] <Ouroboro> search should be a domain
[01:14:10] <AstroTux> ?
[01:14:18] <AstroTux> What do I supply?
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[01:14:43] <Ouroboro> 'search aol.com', but i am not sure this matters
[01:14:47] <Ouroboro> is that the correct IP?
[01:14:52] <AstroTux> Yes
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[01:15:05] <AstroTux> I'll try it
[01:15:12] <AstroTux> Do I need to restart?
[01:15:15] <bigjocker> no
[01:15:18] <AstroTux> OK
[01:15:20] <bigjocker> just change it
[01:15:26] <Ouroboro> i think the search part is just for unqualified names anyway
[01:15:44] <Ouroboro> like if you try 'ping foo' it will try to search 'foo.aol.com' ?
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[01:16:39] <AstroTux> Hmm... OK
[01:16:44] <bigjocker> http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl5_resolvc.htm
[01:16:57] <Ouroboro> AstroTux: worked or no?
[01:17:04] <sstallion> evening all
[01:17:28] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: no :(
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[01:17:51] <AstroTux> bigjocker: "command not found"
[01:18:11] <bigjocker> hmm
[01:18:16] <bigjocker> AstroTux, what command?
[01:18:27] <AstroTux> resolv
[01:18:27] <Ouroboro> AstroTux: you sure that you have a DNS server running on that win machine?
[01:18:31] <AstroTux> yes
[01:18:34] <bigjocker> AstroTux, are you sure your DNS server is working?
[01:18:39] <AstroTux> My laptop is using it right now!
[01:18:58] <bigjocker> AstroTux, dig @172.16.0.1 www.google.com
[01:19:12] <Ouroboro> AstroTux: how about try using the public DNS that your win machine sees
[01:19:12] <AstroTux> bigjocker: ?
[01:19:17] <bigjocker> AstroTux, that will make a DNS query
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[01:19:34] <AstroTux> bigjocker: tried ping, no luck
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[01:19:49] <bigjocker> AstroTux, that command will tell you if your DNS server can actually resolve www.google.com
[01:19:57] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: already tried, again, no luck
[01:20:12] <bigjocker> AstroTux, what was the output from dig?
[01:20:13] <AstroTux> so type "dig @" etc..?
[01:20:18] <AstroTux> stby
[01:20:19] <bigjocker> AstroTux, yes
[01:20:49] <AstroTux> couldn't get address for ''; not found
[01:21:04] <bigjocker> hmm
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[01:21:23] <AstroTux> I can get google by IP so it is working (-ish)
[01:21:51] <AstroTux> It is like the DNS client isn't running (but appears to be)
[01:22:20] <AstroTux> nslookup produces correct results
[01:22:51] <skullone> woot, order just went in for 3x X4540's and 3x J4000's
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[01:28:51] <AstroTux> DNS Resolver (network/dns/client) is checked under services
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[01:33:12] <AstroTux> It doesn't appear to actually be attempting to access the DNS server
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[01:36:46] <Ouroboro> perhaps try scvadm restart
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[01:40:11] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: ok
[01:43:02] <AstroTux> Hmm...
[01:43:58] <AstroTux> "Could not look up internet address for opensolaris. This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding opensolaris to the file /etc/hosts.
[01:44:11] <Ouroboro> hm, i think that i will never get root zfs working properly :)
[01:44:24] <AstroTux> Ahh
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[01:44:54] <Ouroboro> AstroTux: doesnt seem like that is your problem
[01:45:01] <AstroTux> OK...
[01:48:19] <AstroTux> Damn... now the whole thing has stopped working
[01:48:23] <AstroTux> ping "no response"
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[01:50:55] <Ouroboro> broken card/cable/windows/... ?
[01:51:23] <AstroTux> Bad config - it's working again now
[01:51:42] <AstroTux> Not that I know of - this same box has run Windows until about 2 hours ago
[01:51:56] <jbit> Ouroboro: i'm curious how "windows" worked its way in there ;)
[01:52:02] <AstroTux> I'm watching the activity lights on the firewall
[01:52:09] <Ouroboro> jbit: he is running a win DNS server :)
[01:52:14] <AstroTux> hehe - moving from Windows to Solaris
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[01:52:30] <Ouroboro> AstroTux: so nslookup works, but ping doesnt?
[01:52:30] <jbit> Ouroboro: <mythbuster>well there's your problem</>
[01:52:33] <AstroTux> Windows server (at the moment), solaris workstation
[01:52:45] <AstroTux> haha!
[01:53:04] <AstroTux> * checks again *
[01:53:10] <AstroTux> ping works
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[01:53:31] <AstroTux> nslookup works
[01:53:49] <Ouroboro> so what is the problem then?
[01:53:51] <LuckyLuke> I did a LiveUpgrade from SXCE99 to SXCE101 on zfs. the original snv_99 root (compression=off) USEs 5.57G and REFERs 5.57G, while the new b101 root (compression=on) USEs 2.86G and REFERs 3.90G - now I expected it to use less due to copy-on-write and compression, but the 'REFER' should be the uncompressed size (afaik) and it's 1.6G less in the new root. How comes?
[01:53:54] <AstroTux> ping www.google.com fails
[01:54:05] <AstroTux> http://www.google.com/ fails
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[01:54:12] <AstroTux> http:// someIP works
[01:54:32] <Ouroboro> so 'nslookup www.google.com' works but 'ping www.google.com' doesnt?
[01:54:47] <jbit> that's..... odd..
[01:54:49] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: The problem is that it appears the system is not querying DNS at all (no network activity)
[01:55:00] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: correct
[01:55:13] <Ouroboro> AstroTux: not sure what to tell you, that is pretty unusual
[01:55:27] <jbit> wait do you mean nslookup with a server argument?
[01:55:32] <AstroTux> nslookup www.google.com
[01:55:35] <Ouroboro> AstroTux: tried  'svcadm restart dns' or whatever?
[01:55:37] <LuckyLuke> (it was a fresh install of b99 without anything else. /export is on another zfs dataset)
[01:55:50] <AstroTux> server: 172.16.0.1
[01:56:02] <AstroTux> address: 172.16.0.1#53
[01:56:10] <AstroTux> etc.
[01:56:27] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: trying svcadm
[01:57:14] <coffman> bloddy hell
[01:57:27] <jbit> bloddy?
[01:57:39] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: svcadm restart network/dns/client success, however system unable to resolve DNS still
[01:58:23] <coffman> *bloddy/bloody
[01:58:24] *** comay changes topic to "SXCE 101, ON 101, IPS 100a || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca"
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[01:58:43] <jbit> coffman: ah, not meaning to be pedantic, just thought i might have been missing a pun :)
[01:59:04] <coffman> i hope some day there is no need for dualboot anymore
[01:59:14] <AstroTux> coffman: amen!
[01:59:21] <Ouroboro> coffman: its called virtualization :)
[01:59:25] <jbit> coffman: isn't that what virtualization extensions are for
[01:59:28] <jbit> Ouroboro: damn, beat me ;P
[02:00:03] <jbit> now we just need fully paravirtualized drivers for everything ;P
[02:00:35] <chuck-> i want to start using/learning unix..is Open Solaris a good OS for that?
[02:00:42] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: any more ideas?
[02:00:50] <Ouroboro> scenario 0: zfs mirror, remove device 0 (unavailable), insert device 0 (online), remove device 1; result: kernel panic
[02:00:55] <jbit> chuck-: yes
[02:01:02] <coffman> yeah, maybe when i have that quadcore laptop with 16gb of ram
[02:01:02] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: unfortunately I've got to go!! :(
[02:01:11] <Ouroboro> scenario 1: detach device 0, attach device 0, remove device 1: result: works
[02:01:13] <Ouroboro> any ideas?
[02:01:16] <jbit> chuck-: although you'll undoubtalby end up learning solaris which is a superset of unix
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[02:01:44] <Ouroboro> AstroTux: no idea
[02:01:54] <jbit> chuck-: if you want to learn how to use "unix like systems" genericly the only way is to use several varients (so solaris, bsd, linux, etc)
[02:02:08] <chuck-> i was debating between Solaris and FreeBSD
[02:02:14] <chuck-> i honestly don't know the differences
[02:02:19] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: if the drivers work on the IP side of things, there should be no reason for DNS resolution to fail, too, should there?
[02:02:38] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: Where are the log files on the system?
[02:02:38] <LuckyLuke> can anyone confirm that REFERs means uncompressed size?
[02:02:40] <coffman> i spent a whole day to get dualbooting sxce and server 2008 working
[02:02:41] <AstroTux> /var/log?
[02:02:42] <LuckyLuke> in zfs
[02:02:42] <coffman> ffs
[02:03:07] <Ouroboro> AstroTux: yeah, but i dont think that DNS errors will be there
[02:03:19] <chuck-> if there is solaris why have open solaris?
[02:03:22] <AstroTux> * looks *
[02:03:56] <jbit> chuck-: solaris is the enterprise "solid as nails" version, open solaris is the community "new stuff, but might break sometimes" version
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[02:04:18] <jbit> (at least that's how i see it)
[02:04:26] <Ouroboro> jbit: heh sometimes :)
[02:04:37] <LuckyLuke> chuck-: on opensolaris you get root and liveupgrade on ZFS, in solaris you don't (yet)
[02:04:51] <LuckyLuke> that would be enough, for me :)
[02:05:25] <nachox> opensolaris is redhat's fedora, but much much cooler, the kind of cool that has an audit subsystem that actually works, and a filesystem that doesnt suck
[02:05:41] <chuck-> cool
[02:06:02] <chuck-> id like to setup a development environment for learning java and web stuff..be nice to use Open Solaris too
[02:06:03] <alanc> you can get root and liveupgrade on ZFS in Solaris Express...and very very very soon in Solaris 10 10/08 too
[02:06:07] <chuck-> slap on Oracle or mysql
[02:06:10] <jbit> (when i said "break" i didn't necessarily mean fail, more... things might change)
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[02:06:42] <alanc> (if all goes according to plan, S10 users may find a halloween treat on the download center tomorrow there)
[02:06:48] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: nothing
[02:06:57] <nachox> alanc, solaris 10/08 will be out in 2 weeks, right?
[02:07:01] <AstroTux> * sigh *
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[02:07:19] <Ouroboro> jbit: i dont know, every new version of sxce has something new broken for me
[02:07:20] <coffman> no one invited me too a snv_100 party :(
[02:07:27] <nachox> ohh, tomorrow?
[02:07:35] <chuck-> so convince me not to use FreeBSD :)
[02:07:45] <chuck-> not like u guys really give a crap heh
[02:07:48] <alanc> nachox: I believe two weeks is when the CD's are planned to start shipping
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[02:08:06] <Ouroboro> chuck-: zfs is better on solaris :)
[02:08:16] <jbit> chuck-: ports sucks, freebsd binary packages are a mess, *solaris admin tools are much more streamlined and integrated ;P
[02:08:19] <nachox> we dont need to convince you to do anything, if you dont want to use solaris, then dont, a lot of linux users are unhappy that way
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[02:08:30] <coffman> chuck-: we dont need to convince people :P
[02:08:35] <chuck-> :)
[02:08:35] <alanc> since they can put the images up for download while the CD's are being pressed & packaged
[02:09:27] <chuck-> the one nice thing is that this channel seems a lot friendlier than other techie chans
[02:09:35] <chuck-> so maybe ill give it a try
[02:09:40] * alanc will not be here tomorrow to take the blame if the download is late in being posted
[02:09:40] <jbit> chuck-: if you're in learning phaes though, i'd recommend you do try freebsd and linux and others at some point though
[02:09:53] <nachox> alanc :)
[02:10:28] <nachox> oh, btw, the new sun ray server is now based in xorg?
[02:10:36] <chuck-> id like to learn the OSes used at my company so i can maybe transfer some of my knowledge over to work
[02:10:37] <jbit> chuck-: if you only learn how solaris does things, you might have issues if you need to follow instructions made for freeBSD (for example)
[02:10:47] <Ouroboro> AstroTux: can you pase nslookup output to the pastebin?
[02:10:48] <chuck-> i believe they use Solaris, HP-UX, Redhat, etc
[02:11:06] <alanc> nachox: yes, the Xnewt server in Sun Ray 10/08 is based on Xorg 1.2
[02:11:34] <alanc> it offers the choice of Xsun or Xnewt, but I think Xnewt is default so you get the randr & Xvideo support
[02:12:01] <nachox> ohh, that was not highlighted as a cool new feature
[02:12:12] * coffman wants randr for nvidia
[02:12:32] <alanc> randr & video were highlighted as the cool new features, Xnewt/Xorg is just the implementation detail of how they got them
[02:12:53] <alanc> coffman: nvidia should already have randr
[02:13:00] <chuck-> thanks for the help guys..i appreciate your patience with someone like me thats new to unix
[02:13:22] <coffman> alanc: isnt dual head and such done with randr this days?
[02:14:03] <coffman> nachox: you are not exited about xorg? more memory leaks for the server!
[02:14:26] <alanc> coffman: with randr1.2 you can configure multiple heads, including enabling and disabling individual heads without restarting
[02:15:12] <nachox> coffman, err, what makes you say xorg has more memory leaks than xsun?
[02:15:13] <coffman> which is the version atm?
[02:15:32] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: sure - stby
[02:15:34] <alanc> nv driver has randr1.2 support for G80 and later (GeForce 8xxx and newer), not sure which boards nvidia supports randr1.2 on
[02:15:51] <alanc> randr1.2 is what's in Xorg 1.3 and later
[02:16:09] <alanc> which is what we've been shipping in Solaris Express for about a year now, and in S10u5 and later
[02:16:34] <coffman> hm
[02:16:51] <coffman> i got a 8600 mobile...
[02:16:52] <alanc> but drivers have to provide the new support for it to be present
[02:17:11] <alanc> so you should have all the randr you can get I think
[02:18:24] <nachox> the newest xserver is 1.5 right?
[02:18:29] <alanc> 1.5.2
[02:18:58] <coffman> alanc: well, randr sees only one displaz
[02:19:19] <alanc> and your system has more than one output?
[02:19:37] <alanc> weird - I'd have to ask the nvidia driver guys about that
[02:19:38] <coffman> sure, works with twinview
[02:19:42] <Ouroboro> damn, now i got a bunch of unrecoverable errors in my root....
[02:19:47] <Ouroboro> this just keeps getting better
[02:20:21] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: http://pastebin.com/d507c86cf
[02:23:46] <Ouroboro> what is in /etc/nsswitch.conf ?
[02:25:34] <jbit> nss witch, very halloweeny ;P (yes yes, its the ns switch, i know)
[02:26:10] <Ouroboro> hm, is there a command to query SMART data?
[02:28:28] <piwi> i've tried to create a new BE, but i get "Unable to create opensolaris-6. Mount failed." beadm -list shows the new BE, and ls -l in the mount directory shows the expected content: http://pastebin.ca/1241212 . worked before without problems.
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[02:33:11] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: nsswitch.conf only has references to "files"
[02:33:25] <AstroTux> I can't edit it though - I get access errors
[02:34:44] <Ouroboro> does it say, hosts: dns files ?
[02:34:55] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: BINGO! It works!!!
[02:35:10] <AstroTux> no - it only said "files"
[02:35:18] <AstroTux> I changed it to "files dns"
[02:35:27] <AstroTux> There's hope for me yet XD
[02:35:42] <Ouroboro> yeah, there you go
[02:35:58] <AstroTux> Ourboro: Thanks for your help - appreciate it!
[02:36:12] <Ouroboro> i totally forgot about that config file, could be done much faster
[02:36:58] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: what is the precedence for these .conf files?
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[02:37:31] <Ouroboro> eh?
[02:38:17] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: what order does the system look at the config files to know what to do?
[02:39:19] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: I see some references (on the 'net) to resolv.conf and others to this nsswitch.conf file
[02:39:30] <Ouroboro> well they do different things
[02:39:34] <AstroTux> If nsswitch.conf file doesn't exist, does it look in resolv.conf ?
[02:40:02] <Ouroboro> nsswitch.conf specified which name services to use... DNS/NIS/..., resolv.conf is for DNS only
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[02:40:29] <Ouroboro> i think nsswitch.conf must exist
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[02:40:33] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: OK...
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[02:40:52] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: any hints to resources on this kind of thing?
[02:41:15] <AstroTux> I'd like to learn more about how the system is structured
[02:42:47] <Ouroboro> docs.sun.com i guess, but i am learning just like you :)
[02:43:10] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: OK! :)
[02:43:34] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: at least I know I can quickly get the system back up and running if I break it now ;
[02:43:37] <AstroTux> ;)
[02:44:59] <Ouroboro> now fix my problem :)
[02:45:33] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: which was..?
[02:45:37] <AstroTux> * looks *
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[02:46:53] <Ouroboro> nah, forget it
[02:47:04] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: are you around later? Might be able to help then
[02:47:16] <AstroTux> Ouroboro: need a crash course! ;)
[02:47:36] <Ouroboro> who knows, i am getting pretty fed up with this thing for today
[02:47:37] <AstroTux> Thanks for your help! Night!
[02:47:40] <Ouroboro> later
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[02:48:11] <Ouroboro> hm, so is there really no SMART utility for IDE drives?
[02:50:38] <jbit> isnt it part of impi or whatever its called?
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[02:55:58] <Ouroboro> i dont know
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[02:59:04] <CIA-58> George Wilson <George.Wilson at Sun dot COM>: 6764914 vdev_reopen() can lead to failed allocations
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[03:53:52] <qiyong> SXCE does not provide the history download, right?
[03:54:09] <qiyong> you can't get the b(N-1) iso
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[03:57:24] <alanc> you can usually get one or two previous iso's of SXCE by substituting the build number in the url
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[03:57:32] <C4N-S|SEAL45> anyone willing to help me?
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[03:57:48] <qiyong> alanc can i get B(N-10) ?
[03:58:11] <alanc> no builds older than 97 are currently available
[03:58:40] <alanc> I'm not sure which builds since 97 may still be available - would have to check
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[03:58:57] <C4N-S|SEAL45> anyone willing to help me with a os question?
[03:59:01] <CIA-58> Gerald Thornbrugh <Gerald.Thornbrugh at Sun dot COM>: 6711136 nfsv4 tries to write data using kcred
[04:00:10] <alanc> C4N-S|SEAL45: until you ask the question, no one can possibly know if it's something they could help you with - no one here knows everything about all parts of the OS
[04:00:27] <alanc> so just ask, don't ask if it's okay to ask
[04:00:40] <qiyong> alanc is the build number conrespoinding to the ON hg version number? or in some degree?
[04:03:22] <C4N-S|SEAL45> I thought I had to be pmed to get help, sorry.
[04:03:56] <C4N-S|SEAL45> Im very new to unix/opensolaris, im trying to install synergy so i can learn more and do more. But having troubles following most of what I have read.
[04:04:15] <alanc> the build number corresponds to how many times we've built the whole OS since Solaris 10 - every two weeks, it increases by 1
[04:04:18] <C4N-S|SEAL45> If I can just get it installed, that would be amazing
[04:04:56] <qiyong> alanc during two builds, there would be hundreds or hg commits to the ON?
[04:05:03] <alanc> yes
[04:05:09] <qiyong> i see
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[04:06:02] <alanc> for instance http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b101/on-changelog-b101.sparse.txt is all the ON commits in build 101
[04:06:13] <alanc> or rather, all the bug id's commits were done for
[04:06:28] <alanc> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b101/on-changelog-b101.html shows them grouped by commit
[04:06:51] <piwi> C4N-S|SEAL45: by synergy you mean http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ ?
[04:06:52] <Triskelios> C4N-S|SEAL45: probably the best idea is to build synergy from SFE
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[04:14:33] <Triskelios> C4N-S|SEAL45: actually, in the 2 minutes it took me to google the 2008.05 instructions the package finished: http://trisk.acm.jhu.edu/SFEsynergy-1.3.1-sol11-i386.pkg.bz2
[04:15:02] <C4N-S|SEAL45> what do i do with it?
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[04:17:02] <TruBl_> Currently installing Netbackup 6.x on nv_99 I get these errors: " Failed to update state
[04:17:05] <TruBl_> of instance svc:"
[04:17:26] <TruBl_> for all NB services ... anyone know why ?
[04:17:42] <TruBl_> Failed to update state
[04:17:42] <TruBl_> of instance svc:/network/bpjava-msvc/tcp:default in repository: Software caused
[04:17:45] <TruBl_> connection abort
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[04:25:43] <qiyong> alanc this is build 80 http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b80/
[04:26:14] <alanc> that is the ON portion of build 80 - ON is approx 20% of the entire SXCE OS
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[05:18:57] <C4N-S|SEAL45> anyone familar with synergy??
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[05:23:33] <FrostCS> what about synergy?
[05:24:05] <FrostCS> C4N-S|SEAL45, ?
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[05:41:07] <topgun17_> I have got to get used to using vi improved, so i can fully leave nanop in my past
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[05:46:33] <digifor> My OS2008.11 99 has gone into a boot loop after the laptop battery ran out.
[05:46:48] <digifor> Is there a way to use the live cd to repair this?
[05:47:56] <Triskelios> digifor: import the rpool, mount rpool/ROOT/snv_99 at /a, and bootadm update-arcrhive -R /a
[05:49:24] <digifor> Triskelios, just to be clear I do this in a shell from my livedvd?
[05:50:01] <Triskelios> yeah
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[05:53:22] <moazamraja> just tried install b101, disk read error on boot
[05:53:28] <moazamraja> hopefully a bad download or rip on my part...
[05:53:32] <moazamraja> re-downloading now
[05:57:58] <boyd> did you try checking the md5?
[05:58:10] <digifor> Thanks Triskelios I will reboot and give it a go.
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[06:08:50] <Ouroboros> can someone clarify zpool online/scrub for me? specifically (0) why i am getting checksum errors on the disk that i bring online (1) why the first scrub after this/clear causes a fast resilver instead of a full check?
[06:16:03] <fluid217> Hi, Compiling sendmail 8.14.3 on  OpenSolaris 2008.05 snv_86_rc3 X86, fails with "Undefined symbol SSL_load_error_strings  first referenced in file tls.o" I've tried pointing the compiler at both the openssl that I downloaded and compiled, and the openssl that came with coolstack. After much googling I'm still stuck. Does anyone have any tips?
[06:20:47] <Ouroboros> try gcc -v or whatever, make sure it is finding the library that contains that symbol
[06:20:57] <Ouroboros> also check the library itself, make sure it defines the symbol
[06:21:05] <Ouroboros> (just general suggestions)
[06:24:57] <Ouroboros> fluid217: why not use the sendmail from blastwave?
[06:25:37] <fluid217> I'm thinking of just using the sendmail I've got to be quite honest, its not too far behind the one I've downloaded, and I think its going to be a lot less painful
[06:26:45] <Ouroboros> yep
[06:27:01] <Ouroboros> although you should be able to compile it
[06:28:04] <fluid217> yes, I read somewhere that there's some issues with tls inside opensolris (there's some packages available internally at Sun apparently to fix the issue. I don't know how old that information is though
[06:29:09] <Ouroboros> thats why i suggest to check the library symbols, maybe those libraries just dont define it
[06:30:30] <fluid217> how would I do that? using ldd?
[06:31:25] <Ouroboros> objdump? nm?
[06:31:32] <fluid217> or something like:  strings /usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.a
[06:31:43] <fluid217> I shall start reading some man files then ;-)
[06:31:54] <Ouroboros> not sure on solaris, i havent compiled much yet :)
[06:32:13] <Ouroboros> those are gcc i think, but check
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[06:33:34] <fluid217> thanks, I'll go and have a play with that.
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[06:41:52] <Ouroboros> what are the requirement for sata hotplug?
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[06:48:51] <_mary_kate_> Ouroboros: your SATA controller and driver need to support it
[06:49:00] <_mary_kate_> the driver manual page should indicate if it does or not
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[06:50:53] <Ouroboros> will i know if i try 'cfgadm -c remove'
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[07:20:16] <Ouroboros> hm
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[08:06:58] <piwi> after installing virtualbox i have a folder called virtualbox in the /opt directory which prevents me from creating ne BE's
[08:08:00] <piwi> what's the right way to avoid this problem? moving the folder temporary works but can't be the solution.
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[08:10:12] <jklyekai> hello ,I want to update my kernel. After I build opensolaris in b90 with sunwspro,sunwonbld,on-colse and onnv-gate .? how do I update it .Thanks.
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[08:21:45] <moazamraja> just re-downloaded and re-ripped the ISO...
[08:21:47] <moazamraja> still no go
[08:21:53] <moazamraja> got to a grub menu
[08:22:24] <moazamraja> but kernel wont load
[08:22:25] <moazamraja> odd
[08:22:34] <moazamraja> burning the iso-->DVD on a macbook pro
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[08:32:15] <moazamraja> rebooting machine, re-burning :/
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[08:32:22] <moazamraja> md5 checks out fine
[08:32:32] <moazamraja> must be something effed in the burning
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[08:36:01] <phimic> hello all
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[08:36:25] <phimic> i installed vbox yesterday in opensolaris
[08:36:47] <phimic> all works fine but after reboot i get the errro VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED (rc=-1908)
[08:37:00] <phimic> and "Make sure the kernel module has been loaded successfully"
[08:37:48] <phimic> modinfo | grep vboxdrv returns nothing
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[08:41:41] <jklyekai> hello ,I want to update my kernel. After I build opensolaris in b90 with sunwspro,sunwonbld,on-colse and onnv-gate .? how do I update it .Thanks.
[08:42:02] <e^ipi> pkg image-install
[08:42:09] <e^ipi> erm, image-update
[08:42:22] <e^ipi> failing that, find the liveupgrade guide
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[09:42:00] <LuckyLuke> hi there. can anyone confirm that the 'REFER'red size in zfs list is the size of UNcompressed data and not the size of the on-disk-compressed data?
[09:48:09] <LuckyLuke> mmm no seems like it refers to the compressed size.
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[09:54:03] <phimic> can someone help me with loading a module
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[09:54:29] <phimic> i have a module vboxdrv in /platform/i86pc/kernel/drv/
[09:54:48] <phimic> modinfo | grep vboxdrv returns nothing
[09:55:09] <digifor> I am getting an "unrecognized option "-V" when I "pppd call gprs debug"
[09:55:21] <digifor> What would cause that?
[09:55:22] <phimic> how can i load the module?
[09:55:37] <fraggeln> modload? :)
[09:56:14] <phimic> fraggeln: can't load module: Unknown error
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[09:56:44] <phimic> fraggeln: i did modload /platform/i86pc/kernel/drv/vboxdrv
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[10:31:03] <m0zzzy> hi
[10:31:10] <m0zzzy> I got problems with zone boot
[10:31:11] <m0zzzy> zoneadm: zone 'altheonz1': mount of /etc/mnttab failed: No such file or directory
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[10:59:16] <ujjwal> I have 3 primary windows partitions.. made using the vista partition editor. I wanted to delete one of them and install solaris there, but the installer can only detect the first partition, showing 3 other primary partitions as unallocated
[10:59:47] <ujjwal> I tried opensolaris 2008.05 as well as SXDE 1/08
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[11:02:42] <ujjwal> does anyone know why this could be happening?
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[11:29:36] <cambo> connect '/usr/bin/chat -V -t15 -f /etc/ppp/gprs-chat'  and I get error unrecognized option -V
[11:29:57] <cambo> What is causing that?
[11:30:16] <Stric> probably because you're using an unsupported option -V
[11:30:29] <Stric> what is -V supposed to be?
[11:31:15] <palowoda> It actually indicates -V in the manpage.
[11:31:47] <cambo> It in all the pppd scripts for gprs. I have  no idea at the cut and paste stage.
[11:32:10] <cambo> ie: http://in.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=227212
[11:32:33] <cambo> or here: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/wwan/
[11:32:58] <Stric> it's just a verbose flag, try without it
[11:33:03] <CosmicDJ> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/cmd-inet/usr.bin/chat/chat.c looks really ugly IMHO
[11:33:49] <klg> ujjwal: solaris can be installed only on primary partition, it cannot detect extended partition
[11:34:08] <trochej> Coffee?
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[11:34:33] * Stric has no machine with the ppp stuff installed.. he thinks..
[11:34:36] <Stric>     157 #defineOPTION(c,v)(_O&2&&**v?*(*v)++:!c||_O&4?0:(!(_O&1)&& \
[11:34:36] <Stric> .. wtf..
[11:34:42] <klg> ujjwal: what would have happened is that windows by default creates a primary c partition & puts the rest into the extended partition, that is the reason that u r not able to c them
[11:34:53] <CosmicDJ> Stric: lol as I said, ugly ;)
[11:35:12] <palowoda> CosmicDJ: Not only ugly but nobody important is going to care about support of that type of connection.
[11:35:37] <CosmicDJ> palowoda: yep, last change in chat.c was 1999...
[11:35:49] <palowoda> You got the picture clearly.
[11:36:46] <CosmicDJ> palowoda: but hey, it's opensource; anybody could sync it with the latest release (or w/ net/open/freebsds chat)
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[11:37:24] <palowoda> CosmicDJ: opensource means you get to talk about politics.
[11:38:39] <palowoda> Wall Street is about politices now.  Go figure.
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[11:39:47] <CosmicDJ> no thanks
[11:40:11] <palowoda> I would agree.
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[11:45:16] <klg> hi! guys, could anybody suggest solution for the following thread http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=241978&tstart=0
[11:47:34] <palowoda> klg: Isn't that kind of an old message related to versions currently available?
[11:48:08] <klg> palowoda: it may be old but it's very much applicable to the current versions also
[11:48:24] <palowoda> klg: Which versions?
[11:48:41] <klg> palowoda: u can say by now i'm an expert in crashing the solaris system, i've tried that on os2008, belenix 0.7.1
[11:49:02] <palowoda> And you tried SXCE 101 too?
[11:49:26] <klg> palowoda: i'll be writing my detailed test  & research on what i did in my blog shortly
[11:49:44] <palowoda> Oh I get it bact to the future.
[11:49:45] <klg> palowoda: didn't tried it with sxde 101 but i'm sure i can crash it too
[11:49:53] <jbit> klg: the screensaver thing makes me think OpenGL/graphics driver for some reason
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[11:50:15] <palowoda> s/bact/back
[11:50:29] <klg> palowoda: the simple test is just to directly switch off the machine, the first thing that will happen is ur grub will be lost
[11:50:53] <palowoda> klg: You think it's worth logging a bug report?
[11:51:27] <klg> jbit: just switch off any of ur test solaris machines, and u'll c what happens
[11:51:37] <klg> palowoda: i was still in the testing mode
[11:52:16] <klg> palowoda: i don't have the count how many times i had reinstalled the system & crashed it with different R&D
[11:52:16] <palowoda> klg: Your the dude, you need another white russian. :)
[11:53:12] <klg> i just figured out the method by mistake, then i did a thorough R&D on it, & now i can write a thesis on it :D
[11:53:16] <jbit> klg: something tells me i don'T want to try that :)
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[11:53:29] <DTEIT> re
[11:55:41] <klg> palowoda: the problem is that whenever we shutdown the solaris system, it may be any of them, it goes & updates the boot-archive, but if u just switch off the machine or power goes down, ur grub is lost, u can recover the grub, but if some data was being written to the disk then the case gets worst, i've spent may days & sleepless nights in doing this R&D
[11:56:05] <klg> jbit: if u have data on ur machine, u shouldn't be doing that
[11:56:49] <klg> jbit: just remember to shutdown the machine properly always, otherwise u may loose ur data
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[11:58:00] <palowoda> klg: You just have to get the majority to agree.
[11:59:32] <klg> palowoda: i guess, what the majority needs to do is just to directly switch off their machines ;)
[11:59:49] <palowoda> Good luck.
[12:00:08] <klg> palowoda: then everybody would agree that they need to be careful while system shutdown :D
[12:00:35] <palowoda> Ok everybody hit the power switch now.
[12:01:59] <trochej> I did. What now?
[12:02:59] <palowoda> See we are all green computing with no bugs.  Problem solved.
[12:03:12] <klg> trochej: now start praying that ur system shouldn't crash ;)
[12:06:26] <trochej> klg: Naaah. I hit the power of my friends comp.
[12:06:30] <trochej> Wouldn't do that with mine
[12:08:35] <palowoda> trochej: You mean if klg was your friend you would hit his power button to for fun to find out interesting things before yours?
[12:09:12] <klg> trochej: great going ;)
[12:09:55] <trochej> palowoda: No. I'd do this out of concern for MY system.
[12:10:18] <evocallaghan> palowoda:Hey, my fishing buddy !
[12:10:21] <evocallaghan> Long time..
[12:10:40] <trochej> evocallaghan: Hey, my long buddy, it's fishing time!
[12:10:54] <palowoda> Just got back from the mountains fishing.
[12:17:01] <palowoda> Just for fun and a break a couple of pictures of the remote place I went fishing.  I've seen bald eagles hit fish 100 foot in front of me here. http://www.fiver.net/misc/bullards_dam/
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[12:19:51] <palowoda> Everyone running 101 Nevada now?
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[12:20:36] <quasi> nope
[12:20:53] <evocallaghan> Thats totally rad !
[12:21:01] <evocallaghan> trochej:You fish as well ?
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[12:23:14] <trochej> evocallaghan: I eat fish. :)
[12:24:23] <evocallaghan> http://www.fiver.net/misc/bullards_dam/DSCI0076.JPG That's a pritty cool one
[12:24:33] <evocallaghan> trochej:you are what you eat ;)
[12:25:21] <palowoda> Yeah the water was about 170ft deep where I took that picture.
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[12:26:06] <trochej> evocallaghan: I am what I am and I eat to be.
[12:26:34] <evocallaghan> You gold fish you .. lol
[12:26:53] <evocallaghan> palowoda:You on facebook then ?
[12:27:29] <evocallaghan> Is that you http://www.fiver.net/misc/DSCI0015.JPG ? Nice catch.
[12:27:35] <palowoda> evocallagahan: Nah why would I be on facebook.  Too old have my own site.
[12:28:06] <evocallaghan> True, maybe I should get you a wheel chair ..
[12:28:12] <evocallaghan> Don't be silly !
[12:28:13] <palowoda> Oh that is a friend when I was on a rock out on the pacific ocean.
[12:28:27] <evocallaghan> Got any of you ?
[12:28:41] <evocallaghan> With a catch of the day :D
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[12:29:11] <palowoda> We caught 4ft Ling Cod from that rock.
[12:29:51] <palowoda> 30 pounds of meat from one fish.
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[12:30:33] <evocallaghan> Rad !
[12:30:46] <evocallaghan> I love fishing !
[12:30:50] <palowoda> I've tried to get Foster to go out on that rock.
[12:31:17] <evocallaghan> Is this in the US ?
[12:31:50] <palowoda> No but he is another fiishing whore who would like to scale rocks and go fishing like that.
[12:32:01] <palowoda> err fishing.
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[12:32:24] <palowoda> He is down in NZ.
[12:32:50] <evocallaghan> Hmm, Your in Canadra right ?
[12:33:06] <palowoda> Nah I'm in the SF Bay area.
[12:33:13] <evocallaghan> Ah yes.
[12:33:26] <evocallaghan> Fishing in Turkey was great for me
[12:33:32] <palowoda> But CA is a big state.
[12:33:46] <evocallaghan> I like to travel
[12:33:52] <evocallaghan> Keeps me on my toes
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[12:36:06] <palowoda> It's ashame, most travelers who come to California never see the north section.  And that is where the magic is.
[12:36:33] <evocallaghan> Hmm, I'll make a note of that
[12:36:40] <evocallaghan> Never been there before
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[12:37:23] <evocallaghan> Hmm, just trying to clean up urxvt so it builds with sun studio
[12:37:23] <palowoda> If you ever do, go to the northeast or the northwest coast.
[12:37:45] <evocallaghan> Maybe we can meet up for a coffee then :D
[12:38:05] <evocallaghan> I'm one of these people that can jump on a plane tomorrow no problem ..
[12:38:25] <palowoda> Drop a email when your out.
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[12:38:48] <evocallaghan> Will do for sure :D
[12:38:57] <evocallaghan> Error: The name set is ambiguous, ev::base<ev_io, ev::io>::set<ev::base<ev_io, ev::io>::K, ev::base<ev_io, ev::io>::method>(ev::base<ev_io, ev::io>::K*) and ev::base<ev_io, ev::io>::set<ev::base<ev_io, ev::io>::K, ev::base<ev_io, ev::io>::method>(ev::base<ev_io, ev::io>::K*).
[12:39:07] <evocallaghan> Anyone know what this even means ?
[12:39:17] <smtms> something's wrong
[12:39:20] <smtms> :-)
[12:39:20] <hrist> heh
[12:39:29] <evocallaghan> I think its something to do with templates
[12:39:31] <_mary_kate_> evocallaghan: you have two things in scope called 'set', probably
[12:39:35] <evocallaghan> smtms:Thanks :D
[12:39:45] <_mary_kate_> evocallaghan: this is often caused by misguided use of 'using namespace std;' (which should never  be done)
[12:40:04] <evocallaghan> I don't know C++ all that well
[12:40:15] <evocallaghan> src is here http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/rxvt-unicode.html
[12:40:43] <evocallaghan> Would you mind taking a few min just to help me out on what I should be looking for please
[12:40:59] <_mary_kate_> i might if it was your code but i don't feel like porting urxvt to studio right now ;)
[12:41:00] <evocallaghan> The file in question is libev/ev++.h
[12:41:09] <hrist> they have #rxvt-unicode on freenode evocallaghan :-)
[12:41:30] <evocallaghan> They keep calling me a studio fan boy and think gcc is the end all
[12:41:37] <hrist> oh
[12:41:57] <evocallaghan> I solved many of the other warnings, just this error has got my stuck
[12:42:39] <evocallaghan> http://rafb.net/p/20QUd516.html here is the make check output
[12:42:58] <palowoda> Speaking of which does rxvt-unicode support IIMF or SCIM?
[12:43:16] <evocallaghan> I can prob fix the rest of them warnings (work them out myself) but the error has got me really stuck
[12:43:35] <evocallaghan> Don't know
[12:43:50] <evocallaghan> I type English
[12:44:09] <evocallaghan> For the most part any way :p
[12:45:09] <palowoda> Huh what is the purpose for rxvt?
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[12:45:48] <evocallaghan> Its a term emulator
[12:46:02] <palowoda> Of a dozen or so.
[12:46:14] <evocallaghan> Porting it to my distro
[12:46:37] <palowoda> Ah I see.
[12:46:58] <evocallaghan> Its quite good. But would be better if I clean it up some more :)
[12:47:39] <evocallaghan> Silly linux n00bs and there gcc club :/
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[12:48:22] <Dakylla> hi
[12:48:23] <palowoda> It would be better to understaand the advantages of rxvt on Solaris vs Linux but htat is another story.
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[12:48:52] <evocallaghan> He was trying to make out that enum is it correct to do: enum{ foo = 1, bar = 2, }; ves enum{ foo = 1, bar = 2 };
[12:48:54] <Dakylla> which SATA 2 card contoller with 4 ports are know to work with opensolaris please ?
[12:49:03] <evocallaghan> cleanly the second , should not be there
[12:49:32] <Cyrille> actually it's common practice to put it anyway, so as to be able to reorder/add/remove lines without bothering about whether it's the last one or not.
[12:49:53] <evocallaghan> palowoda:Well, it creates a demon so that other terms come up quickly and save memory
[12:50:09] <Cyrille> is this libev/ev++.h browsable from somewhere on the page you pointed to?
[12:50:16] <Cyrille> I can't seem to find it...
[12:50:39] <evocallaghan> Just grab the 500kb tarball I guess Cyrille:sorry
[12:51:13] <evocallaghan> http://dist.schmorp.de/rxvt-unicode/rxvt-unicode-9.05.tar.bz2
[12:51:15] <evocallaghan> thanks
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[12:52:20] <evocallaghan> Clearly I need better C++ skills
[12:52:33] <evocallaghan> I just know C really
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[12:54:01] * purserj hands Dakylla a /
[12:54:11] <palowoda> Dakylla: The four port cards usally cost as much as a complete motherboad with 6 SATA ports.  But I haven't heard of any four port SATA cards supportin Solaris, 8 port cards might be a better option.
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[12:54:43] <evocallaghan> Dakylla:Maybe check the HCL
[12:54:54] <Dakylla> evocallaghan: i did
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[12:56:02] <Dakylla> 8 ports are to much, much server's case can only sopport 6disks, and i've a internal controller yet with 2ports
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[12:57:01] <_mary_kate_> just because you have 8 ports doesn't mean you have to use them all ;) the marvell 8-port pci-x is pretty cheap
[12:57:13] <_mary_kate_> AOC-SAT2-MV8
[12:57:14] <evocallaghan> CyrilleAre you able to see the code in question ?
[12:58:06] <Dakylla> _mary_kate_:gonna check this out
[12:58:09] <Dakylla> thx
[12:58:59] <evocallaghan> I *think* it has something to do with thse templates
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[13:35:42] <Cyrille> evocallaghan, the download was sort of stuck, resumed now.
[13:36:32] <evocallaghan> ok thanks
[13:36:47] <evocallaghan> Gezz, I joined #c++ and more fan boy talk
[13:37:05] <trochej> FAn boy of what?
[13:38:10] <Cyrille> c++ vs c vs c# or gcc vs SunStudio vs MS Studio?
[13:39:20] <trochej> Oh
[13:39:21] <trochej> Those
[13:39:24] <trochej> Yeah
[13:40:37] <Cyrille> evocallaghan, isn't there some mirror somewhere, it's still downloading at like 20 bytes/s
[13:40:40] <Cyrille> ?
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[13:41:18] <evocallaghan> no
[13:41:20] <evocallaghan> Sorry
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[13:44:28] <Cobra-the-joker> hey there every one ...how can i report a problem to the support team
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[13:46:22] <evocallaghan> Cobra-the-joker:defect.opensolatris.org
[13:46:26] <evocallaghan> s/solaris
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[13:49:10] <evocallaghan> Cyrille:http://rafb.net/p/L2Z1nT67.html
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[13:49:21] <evocallaghan> Hope that is helpful
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[13:52:32] <Cyrille> evocallaghan, thanks, got it now.
[13:53:40] <evocallaghan> Cyrille:Thanks, would you mind joinning me on #c++
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[14:39:36] <coffman> i got an issue with the audiohd driver
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[14:41:10] <coffman> its realy realy quiet
[14:41:16] <cypromis> lol
[14:41:21] <cypromis> its a whispering interface
[14:43:28] <coffman> the interfacce is okay, has to be the driver, in b99 it worked fine, in b101 i got to krank it up to max to hear anything
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[14:45:57] <qiyong> is this chann logged?
[14:46:50] <sickness> yeah, there should be a bot that puts all the channel logs on the web somewhere...
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[14:56:43] <DTEIT> re
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[15:00:54] <evocallaghan> Does suncc have a irc chan ?
[15:01:49] <sickness> ciao DTEIT
[15:02:08] <DTEIT> hi
[15:03:43] <Stric> evocallaghan: I doubt it..
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[15:04:25] <evocallaghan> Stric:Thanks
[15:04:36] <evocallaghan> Because I am totally lost with a problem here
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[15:19:27] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: you need help with sun cc?
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[15:24:46] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:Hi, I think this is a rather hard problem though
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[15:26:13] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: I've hit and have 4 new compiler bugs filed recently and from those only needed help twice to get a work-around. so that's 50% chance
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[15:26:35] <fraggeln> I realy like the new b101! very nice work guys.
[15:26:46] <evocallaghan> 1sec. I will try to get a log of that chat I just did
[15:27:23] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: I don't need a log.. I need to know which cc, the -#. from there maybe will need the -E
[15:27:46] <evocallaghan> You do need the chat log
[15:27:52] <evocallaghan> There is quite a lot to this problem
[15:27:55] <evocallaghan> Give me a min
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[15:31:15] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: is this the fbe thing again?
[15:31:31] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:Sorry for any crud mixed in bit it should inform you of all the details and what we have tried already http://rafb.net/p/vR2iaB35.html
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[15:31:47] <evocallaghan> fbe ?
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[15:36:01] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: #1 (13:02:11) evocallaghan: This is clearly a bug  = wrong #2 the testcase compiles for me..
[15:36:38] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: if you want to be able to narrow the problem down to something reproducible.. add -E to the CC line you're trying to compile. and redirect that to a file
[15:36:57] <codestr0m> that'll give you a single file with all the includes and from there should be easier to narrow things down
[15:37:27] <codestr0m> also I'm not sure exactly what error you're getting and won't read a millions line of shit to solve this problem
[15:37:31] <evocallaghan> Please explain with a example
[15:38:04] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: CC -E test.cpp > test.cpp.E simple enough_
[15:38:25] <codestr0m> one sec while I grab the CC manual.. for what I know you're doing you need to read it a couple times
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[15:39:20] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: and then look at test.cpp.E
[15:39:41] <evocallaghan> But the problem is in a header file
[15:39:45] <codestr0m> from there is should make it easier to narrow things down
[15:40:03] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: right. and if you just listen you'll see clearly why I said -E
[15:40:15] <kohju> hm, Solaris 10 10/8 shipped?
[15:40:55] <evocallaghan> yea,, I am looking on google so I can RTFM ;)
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[15:41:37] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5267/6n7c46dnd?a=view
[15:41:45] <codestr0m> google doesn't know about these
[15:42:16] <evocallaghan> I am there man, but thanks
[15:42:49] <evocallaghan> That only runs the preprocessor
[15:42:49] <codestr0m> I'm actually being a bastard.. I can guess how to fix it
[15:43:02] <evocallaghan> How ?
[15:43:17] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: right. you preprocess the file.. to remove needing the includes and work from there
[15:43:25] <codestr0m> you're not hitting a compiler bug at all
[15:43:38] <codestr0m> or I'd be very surprised
[15:43:44] <codestr0m> I saw something similar in webkit
[15:44:15] <evocallaghan> I am pritty sure its just buggy code
[15:44:27] <evocallaghan> I already had to fix a load of other junk
[15:44:28] <codestr0m> yeah, but testcase compiles
[15:44:38] <codestr0m> welcome to a porters life :P
[15:45:10] <evocallaghan> Pfff, don't get me started
[15:45:37] <codestr0m> I'll trade you problems http://rafb.net/p/EE2g2274.html
[15:45:40] <evocallaghan> Its just all these 100's of Linux n00bs that don't *try* on anything else apart from gcc
[15:45:46] <codestr0m> SSX is the top and SS12 is the bottom
[15:46:10] <codestr0m> now.. explain to me why they are different
[15:46:38] <evocallaghan> SSX is junk
[15:46:43] <evocallaghan> That is why
[15:46:52] <codestr0m> lol
[15:47:04] <evocallaghan> Don't wast time with it
[15:47:07] <codestr0m> wow. that's an impressive technical answer
[15:47:14] <evocallaghan> Just install normal SS12 and patch it fully
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[15:47:41] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: and libffi.. how will you compile that?
[15:47:41] <evocallaghan> There are a number of things that simply do not build with express
[15:47:54] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: give me an example
[15:48:38] <evocallaghan> Is that for your IceTea work ?
[15:48:46] <coffman> so who is doing audiohd?
[15:48:47] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: no. python ctypes depends on it
[15:48:58] <evocallaghan> Ah yes
[15:49:05] <codestr0m> and you know what depends on native python ctypes unless you want crappy performance?
[15:49:28] <codestr0m> so.. I see you're doing your homework.. and your opinion on SSX is quite wrong
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[15:50:40] <evocallaghan> SunStudioExpress ..
[15:50:43] <evocallaghan> Hows that ?
[15:51:08] <evocallaghan> btw, I have not built libffi yet sorry
[15:51:18] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: right.. well. you're in for an easter egg
[15:51:37] <evocallaghan> Do you need my address or can you just email me it ?
[15:52:49] <evocallaghan> SSX is totally useless man. Don't know what your on about.
[15:53:15] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: ok. use gcc then :)
[15:53:23] <codestr0m> I'm sure that's *much* better quality for you
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[15:53:38] <evocallaghan> prob
[15:54:06] <evocallaghan> Whats wrong with using ss12 that is supportable ?
[15:54:28] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:Forget that; What is this fix you guessed ?
[15:54:51] <evocallaghan> and where is my dam easter egg !
[15:55:13] <codestr0m> "DIS EASTER EGG IZ BROWN BUT NOT MADE OF CHOKLIT"
[15:55:21] <codestr0m> someone said that earlier
[15:55:23] <ruse39> evocallaghan, in usual place ;)
[15:55:31] <codestr0m> ruse39: shush
[15:56:15] <evocallaghan> Right..
[15:56:29] <evocallaghan> You boys should get out more ..
[15:56:49] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: small hint.. line 1756 wavelet.c
[15:57:16] <codestr0m> , but if you are using spec files you'll never hit the optimized code
[15:57:21] <codestr0m> so probably doesn't matter to you
[15:57:53] <codestr0m> eer. wait. that's liboil I think I just gave you
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[15:58:24] <evocallaghan> what are you on about ?
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[15:59:04] <evocallaghan> Remeber, get off the crack.. It has long term effects I am told :p
[15:59:06] <CIA-58> Donghai Qiao <Donghai.Qiao at Sun dot COM>: 6749261 6265036 (delivered in Kernel patches 122300-30/137111-04) changed nanosleep and broke SMS
[16:00:24] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: anyway.. if you can get either liboil or libffi to compile with sun cc I'd be surprised :)
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[16:00:34] <codestr0m> especially if you turn on optimizations and try to use SS12
[16:01:16] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:Great, well right now. That is not the magic fix you where talking about and it does not help me with my problem
[16:01:27] <evocallaghan> Hense I don't give a foo.
[16:01:30] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: it's ok. you've got the manual
[16:01:54] <codestr0m> hold your ears tight until you hear a pop. and after that it should be clear
[16:02:01] * evocallaghan throw big heavy manual at codestr0m
[16:02:06] <codestr0m> don't forget to pull
[16:02:28] * evocallaghan stops wasting time
[16:03:11] * codestr0m doesn't really think evocallaghan was being productive before
[16:04:41] <ruse39> and I think even after everything be the same ;)
[16:07:37] <evocallaghan> Shut up and code ;)
[16:08:19] <chrisg> is that a song
[16:08:22] <chrisg> like y'know
[16:08:24] <chrisg> shut up and drive
[16:08:28] <chrisg> dumm dumm de dummm
[16:09:18] <ruse39> lol :) chrisg +1
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[16:20:40] <InHisName> I have just installed OpenSolaris in virtualbox and internet (DHCP) is not up yet.  Admin>Network says: Network Auto-Magic is enabled.
[16:21:26] <InHisName> fconfig shows a pcn0 defined  inet 192.168.101.218
[16:21:28] <_mary_kate_> how do i find out if a running process is 32 or 64 bit?
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[16:21:47] <TomJ> network auto-magic is such a lame name
[16:21:51] <TomJ> far too fluffy
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[16:41:11] <th> is there any supported way to upgrade a b90 with zones to b101?
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[16:41:20] <th> (with zonepath on zfs)
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[16:43:25] <tynar> How can I log in back to my Solaris dekstop. I have just used Samba, configured it, from SWAT i added a user with username 'root' and with password of system root's. After rebooting from windows hosts the solaris box is seen, but from solaris box I cannot login to desktop, however, i can login to console. Is there any way to solve it? Any help appreciated
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[16:45:55] <InHisName> My ifconfig shows pcn0 as 192.168.101.218 with DHCP but DNS isn't set up right yet. I cannot browse or ping yet.   I have network auto-magic enabled.  Should I disable it or use it.  How do I setup?
[16:46:06] <codestr0m> is it legal to have cddl code link into gpl code? I'm 99.9999% sure it's incompatible, but if you're releasing the sources.. what's the real damage/who cares.. worst case you just have to treat all the cddl code as gpl..
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[16:49:11] <boyd> codestr0m: You can link anything you like, it's only when you distribute that you have to care
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[16:49:34] <bigjocker> SunOS trantor 5.11 snv_100 i86pc i386 i86pc
[16:49:38] <bigjocker> excellent build
[16:49:53] <bigjocker> running smoothly in a XPS 1710
[16:50:10] <codestr0m> boyd: yeah, but if you distribute binary + source and it's treated all as gpl, but there's cddl code linked into the gpl.. what happens
[16:50:43] <codestr0m> would it be the copyright holder of the gpl, cddl or both who really cares
[16:50:57] <codestr0m> and what's the damages.. a cease and desist?
[16:51:36] <boyd> AIUI it all hinges on the definition of "Derived work" and that'
[16:51:39] <boyd> that
[16:51:41] <boyd> grr
[16:51:49] <boyd> That's not been clearly established
[16:52:08] <codestr0m> or we can solve it with eu law :)
[16:52:13] <vmlemon_> I'd say you were Done For(TM), since the whole lot is irrevocably GPLed now
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[16:53:11] <vmlemon_> (Even though it's against the wishes of whoever granted the original license)
[16:54:24] <coffman> hmpf, fucking regression
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[17:00:59] <codestr0m> coffman: regression in what?
[17:02:32] <coffman> codestr0m: well, the audiohd driver does not work right anymore
[17:02:44] <coffman> it has a fix for the headphone plug
[17:02:56] <coffman> but it does not work right
[17:03:28] <coffman> disabeling the internal speakers works now, but the output is way to quiet
[17:04:11] <codestr0m> coffman: you have to use the oss mixer and then you can manually do what you want with the old driver.. it's a pita,but it's reliable
[17:05:02] <coffman> oss mixer for the audiohd driver?
[17:05:22] <codestr0m> coffman: oopse. sorry I assumed you were using the oss driver
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[17:05:59] <coffman> na, the oss stable release does not know my soundcard
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[17:06:17] <coffman> and after installing and removing it the gnome mixer does not work anymore :(
[17:06:31] <tynar> in which file the log of java desktop system is stored? i cannot login to it
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[17:09:13] <coffman> gdamore: ping
[17:10:24] * coffman wonders if there is a howto for debuging suspend/resume
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[17:20:05] <sstallion_work> coffman: share if you can - I've written my suspend/resume to be as resilient as possible, but I'm still not certain under what conditions it should be tested :/
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[17:26:33] <Alasdairrr> Has anyone here used a J4200 or J4400?
[17:26:42] <Alasdairrr> (Sun Sotrage Array)
[17:30:49] <CosmicDJ> indirectly ;)
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[17:32:11] <zeka> hello
[17:32:12] <bigjocker> does anyone have the link to the blog post with the screenshots of the new functionality for zfs snapshots in nautilus?
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[17:33:32] <zeka> How to install virtualbox
[17:33:45] <coffman> bigjocker: just search timeslider
[17:33:59] <e^ipi> zeka, man pkgadd
[17:34:12] <coffman> hmpf
[17:34:12] <_mary_kate_> if only virtualbox came with a manual that explained how to install it..
[17:34:20] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_++
[17:34:38] <coffman> hm
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[17:35:15] <coffman> if i use the gnome mixer now it slows down the music
[17:35:24] <oxygene> cute
[17:35:34] <coffman> yeah, fucked up
[17:35:51] <klg> what would u guys suggest to be used for virtualization on opensolari , xvm or virtualbox or something else
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[17:35:58] * codestr0m makes a note for nobody listening that gnu gettext must *not* be installed in a location which crle knows about
[17:36:10] <oxygene> codestr0m: indeed
[17:36:28] <zeka> v
[17:36:34] <zeka> His(Her,Its) walking(march) not with the command(order) pkg add
[17:36:59] <Alasdairrr> CosmicDJ - are they any good? I was wondering about buying an unpopulated J4400 to pair with a Sun x2100+SAS HBA
[17:37:12] <_mary_kate_> klg: for desktop, virtualbox.  for anything else, xvm.  (but you can use xvm on the desktop too, i just find vb less intrusive)
[17:37:19] <coffman> oh, fiefox crashes when it uses awesomebar
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[17:37:45] <coffman> not that a crashing ff is that new, but this often...
[17:37:46] <klg> any idea on which date os2008.11 is getting released
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[17:38:10] <coffman> well i guess  xx.11.08
[17:38:17] <oxygene> heh
[17:38:32] <oxygene> before 2008-12-01, unless something unexpected happens ;)
[17:38:46] <calumb> last I heard it was around the 24th, no date officially announced yet though
[17:38:53] <gaw> Question: Just installed OpenSolaris 2008.11 (100a), after installing I get only a grub> prompt, how do I get Solaris to boot?
[17:38:55] <Alasdairrr> SOn't know about OS2008.11 but I can tell you Solaris 10 update 6 is out on the 10th of november
[17:38:58] <coffman> like a crap release like 101?
[17:38:59] <Alasdairrr> *Don't
[17:39:07] <e^ipi> like any other time-based release, it'll happen at the last possible second
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[17:39:17] <e^ipi> eg, s10 10/08
[17:39:19] <codestr0m> oxygene: yes well. libs in ON explicitly depend on the sun version of libintl and correct header.. I could technically probably make it work, but would be ugly at best
[17:39:31] <oxygene> codestr0m: don't try
[17:39:31] <e^ipi> which cut it pretty close to the wire by being released today
[17:39:32] <klg> gaw: was the install successful
[17:39:36] <codestr0m> oxygene: and the license issue
[17:39:49] <gaw> klg: Yes, installed 100% and then rebooted
[17:39:55] <codestr0m> oxygene: yeah I came to that conclusion when I just fixed it and dealt with some crap of my own fault today
[17:40:06] <oxygene> Alasdairrr: http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp that one?
[17:40:19] <Alasdairrr> What?! It's out?
[17:40:24] <Alasdairrr> Lori Alt lied.
[17:40:28] <codestr0m> oxygene: are you a sun employee if you don't mind me asking?
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[17:40:32] <klg> gaw: does it show u the entire grub menu , or simply the words GRUB on the screen
[17:40:44] <oxygene> codestr0m: I'm not - why?
[17:40:48] <gaw> just prompt, not the menu
[17:41:05] <klg> your grub is not installed properly
[17:41:11] <codestr0m> oxygene: just curious.. I like to know who the smart non-sun people are around here :)
[17:41:20] <gaw> klg: how to fix that? :)
[17:41:25] <klg> u can recover the grub from the live cd or reinstall the entire system again
[17:41:34] <coffman> narf
[17:41:39] <coffman> that driver is crap to
[17:41:42] <coffman> next one
[17:41:43] <klg> gaw: r u new to os2008 or u r aware of os2008
[17:41:44] <codestr0m> coffman: zort
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[17:42:34] <gaw> klg: tested os2008.05 with zfs and zones, and now testing 2008.11 to see if it can replace our ubuntu machines (v40z and x4600's)
[17:42:40] <coffman> gar, why did i choose that release for installing the system new
[17:42:55] <klg> gaw: by os2008, i mean opensolaris 2008
[17:43:07] <klg> gaw: ok
[17:43:14] * coffman wants ludowngrade
[17:43:15] <klg> gaw: i'll give u the link
[17:43:22] <oxygene> coffman: just use the old be?
[17:43:37] <klg> gaw: http://opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=288346
[17:43:51] <coffman> oxygene: there is no old be left
[17:43:57] <houst0n-> You're using opensolaris on a v40z?
[17:44:05] <gaw> klg: thx
[17:44:25] <gaw> houst0n: well, trying, if I can get grub to work :)
[17:44:31] <zeka> I have to install(settle) solaris he asks me for a login and pass
[17:44:41] <houst0n-> I'd kill people if they tried such a thing in my company
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[17:44:53] <houst0n-> Solaris 10 for server
[17:44:59] <houst0n-> Opensolaris for a toy
[17:45:00] <zeka> yes
[17:45:20] <zeka> solaris server
[17:45:35] <coffman> houst0n-: solaris is to easy
[17:45:43] <CosmicDJ> opensolaris.org is running SXCE IIRC
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[17:46:13] <houst0n-> Well, that's their choice - nothing so beta will ever touch out hardware
[17:46:21] <houst0n-> Well, perhaps not beta
[17:46:28] <houst0n-> But .. gah it's a developer release
[17:46:29] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ, everyone at mpk has their home  directory on the latest SXCE
[17:46:31] <zeka> he asks me for a login and pass
[17:46:52] <coffman> hmpf. im waisting my time since yesterday with b101
[17:46:54] <coffman> narf
[17:46:55] <CosmicDJ> houst0n-: they aim for FCS quality
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[17:47:50] <houst0n-> coffman: I tried opensolaris 2008.1 (b99) on my desktop while I was waiting for 101 .. It's MUCH better than the last time I itred (.05)
[17:47:55] <houst0n-> .11, even
[17:48:02] <houst0n-> I'm considering taking the plunge
[17:48:09] <coffman> CosmicDJ: well, i can also aim on a head from 1 km distance with a handgun
[17:48:14] <klg> gaw: in the thread there is lot of crap, the one that should be of interest to u is from the person called daveu
[17:48:20] <houst0n-> moinak got ON to build on belenix recently afaik
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[17:49:24] <houst0n-> For us anyway, our sun & solaris boxes are there because they're really, REALLY stable once they've been properly set up
[17:50:00] <houst0n-> The idea of putting a two weekly 5GB build of what may become solaris 11 on them is less than appealing
[17:50:05] <CosmicDJ> I see no point using solaris10 if you don't have a support contract...
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[17:50:43] <houst0n-> CosmicDJ: Besides the stability, that all our support people know it backwards and it never dies =)
[17:50:47] <e^ipi> because it's tested for much longer and the criteria for what gets putback is a hell of a lot stricter?
[17:50:49] <houst0n-> err
[17:50:53] <houst0n-> that's stability twice
[17:50:57] <houst0n-> I've been in the office too long
[17:50:58] <houst0n-> =)
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[17:51:34] <CosmicDJ> e^ipi: so solaris10 smells like old cheese...
[17:51:45] <michael__> http://blogs.sun.com/bjc/entry/fcs_quality_all_the_time
[17:51:46] <TomJ> and you still get a bunch of patches without support contract
[17:51:52] <e^ipi> there's plenty of reasons to use an actually released product in production rather than unstable code
[17:51:54] <TomJ> and you can get support on OpenSolaris now if you really want it
[17:52:10] <CosmicDJ> prod. usually have a support contract..
[17:52:13] <houst0n-> I don't see any reason to use opensolaris over sol 10 in prod
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[17:52:17] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: if only support magically fixed all the problems ;)
[17:52:22] <houst0n-> Unless you're developing solaris for a living
[17:52:25] <houst0n-> i.e sun
[17:52:28] <_mary_kate_> (before they appear)
[17:52:42] <e^ipi> if what the server is doing is not important, sure use the latest and greatest in untested technology
[17:53:03] <CosmicDJ> opensolaris isn't untested
[17:53:04] <houst0n-> Generally speaking all our servers are considered important
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[17:53:27] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ, it's not tested sufficiently to make a good candidate for deployment
[17:53:49] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ, when an actual enterprise release comes up, there'll be a build freeze for months to only fix bugs
[17:53:50] <houst0n-> There are NT4.1 machines on our network that have contracted SLA's for support from us for the next few years at least
[17:53:54] <CosmicDJ> e^ipi: so everyone at opensolaris.org and joynet etc. is nuts?
[17:53:57] <ShadowHntr> yikes
[17:54:03] <houst0n-> CosmicDJ: Yes.
[17:54:04] <houst0n-> :P
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[17:55:05] <gaw> houst0n-: It's almost weekend here and I thought, lets give 2008.11 a try on a spare v40z, I'm not going to run a nuclear power plant on it :-)
[17:55:07] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ, no, but using it as a selling point and dealing with the issues.
[17:55:12] * michael__ is nuts
[17:55:16] <michael__> wiiiiiiiiii
[17:55:18] <TomJ> gaw: that's lucky, you wouldn't be allowed to anyway
[17:55:27] <gaw> TomJ: :p
[17:55:35] <TomJ> (it's specifically excluded from all license terms)
[17:55:45] <TomJ> presumably you have to pay a few mill before they'll alllow it
[17:55:52] <houst0n-> gaw: Hey your call - I'd really not suggest dropping that thing into prod though =)
[17:56:05] <CosmicDJ> e^ipi: well you can't deal with any issues on solaris10 w/o a contract; most patches are locked; same with all the docs on sunsovle...
[17:56:32] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: 'most' is not my experience.  my back-of-the-envelope/gut feel based on what I see in PCA is that at least 50-60% are downloadable without support
[17:56:48] <TomJ> technically they only give you security/urgent patches, but then theyh ave to give you anything that they rely on also, so you end up getting quite a lot
[17:57:28] <_mary_kate_> TomJ: most notably, you can't download the recommended cluster without support
[17:57:31] <michael__> how stable is 100a? has anyone tried it yet?
[17:57:39] <TomJ> yeah, you have to do it it piecemeal
[17:58:39] <throwt> what os run nuclear plants?
[17:58:55] <TomJ> they run specialised stuff I think
[17:59:02] <e^ipi> they damned well better
[17:59:04] <vmlemon_> Windows, probably ;)
[17:59:05] <CIA-58> Saurabh Misra <Saurabh.Mishra at Sun dot COM>: 6755820 race if breakpoint is set on mp_startup() or apic_post_cpu_start() in x2APIC mode
[17:59:08] <vmlemon_> (Not that I'd recommend it)
[17:59:08] <TomJ> I suppose they have monitoring consoles and the like using 'normal' OS'
[17:59:32] <vmlemon_> Most likely something like QNX
[17:59:36] <vmlemon_> or another proprietary OS
[17:59:38] <gerard13> hello all, is WPA Enterprise managed in b101?
[17:59:47] <CosmicDJ> vmlemon_: IIRC qnx was opensourced ;)
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[18:00:16] <e^ipi> you can download the source, yes
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[18:01:06] <vmlemon_> Well, it's Shared Source
[18:01:09] <vmlemon_> if that counts for anything
[18:01:13] <TomJ> I'm still trying to find the open telnet port out that there that will say Greetings, Professor Falken
[18:01:24] <vmlemon_> (Being pedantic ;))
[18:01:40] <vmlemon_> Doesn't make it any less great, though
[18:01:42] <vmlemon_> in my view
[18:06:14] <CosmicDJ> thx for reminding me of QNX; I saw that pkgsrc has support for it now; I think I'll give it a try an a spare disk...
[18:07:13] <vmlemon_> Runs great in VMware products, and probably under VirtualBox too
[18:07:22] <vmlemon_> and it's still pretty fast
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[18:07:40] <vmlemon_> (In fact, 6.4.0 seems to be much faster than the last version, overall from what I've seen)
[18:07:51] <vmlemon_> And they're finally shipping Firefox in place of the ancient version of Mozilla
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[18:09:48] <coffman> powerplants?
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[18:09:59] <coffman> they run windows on there scada systems
[18:10:25] <coffman> friends of mine do pen-testing for scada
[18:10:28] <coffman> hell
[18:10:38] <coffman> that stuff can scare you
[18:10:54] <bigjocker> has anyone installed successfully Oracle XE in brandz in opensolaris?
[18:11:50] <coffman> like a controll system in a nucular powerplant, which was under heavy load and the plant almost melted down
[18:12:10] <coffman> because the controller on that system watched a dvd on it
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[18:13:04] <vmlemon_> Haha
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[18:15:10] <coffman> or in the fabric, where they had roboters controlled via network
[18:15:21] <coffman> they did a simple ping sweep
[18:15:21] <gaw> klg: fixing the grub did not seem to work, so I'm off of the weekend. I'll probably do a reinstall on monday morning, see if that helps. But thx for the help so far, I really appreciate it.
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[18:16:23] <klg> gaw: can u see the zfs fs in the zfs import
[18:17:00] <coffman> and one roboter decided to turn 180 degree
[18:18:52] <coffman> btw, wpa with tkip, 12-14 mins and 1500 packages on a normal laptop
[18:18:53] <gaw> klg: nope, zpool returns no pools, so I thing that the problem might exist in the creation of the zfs pool
[18:20:17] <gaw> klg: anyway, I'm off, thx, and have a nice weekend ;-)
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[18:20:37] <klg> gaw: ok, b'cas there are times when u can recover the system & when u can't do anything about it
[18:20:46] <klg> gaw: c ya
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[18:26:44] <coffman> hm atleast nwam is coming good
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[18:31:15] <coffman> yeah, found a working driver!
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[18:51:29] <dragonbyte> does anyone here have much experience with the SunRay server software?  I am trying to untangle our existing deployment and build a test server to see if I can fix some of the wierdness we are having
[18:52:04] <dragonbyte> My biggest question is how do the utku users relate to sessions and what are reasonable limits for the creation of utku accounts?
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[19:03:19] <jbk> interesting
[19:03:23] <jbk> there's a fishworks blog now
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[19:03:45] <e^ipi> no there isn't. sssh!
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[19:04:45] <jbk> well if i knew latin, i could tell you if it was actually anything interesting or not :)
[19:04:55] <dragonbyte> no sun ray folks around :(
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[19:08:30] <Narcissus> Why does almost every single package in the package manager begin with SUNW
[19:08:55] <LeftyBSD> because they're made by Sun
[19:09:14] <Asako> Blastwave uses IPS
[19:09:26] <LeftyBSD> there's SFW too
[19:10:44] <ahmed-tux> hello all
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[19:11:51] <timsf> Narcissus: we eventually want to rename all that stuff I believe
[19:12:07] <Asako> I like the names
[19:12:17] <Greggi> twisti: oh, seems anybody else from vienna...
[19:12:19] <CosmicDJ> timsf: to JAVA? ;)
[19:12:44] <Greggi> @all: anybody knows how to retrieve lost SCA number ???
[19:13:02] <timsf> CosmicDJ: ha!
[19:13:37] <CosmicDJ> corporate identity...
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[19:17:20] <e^ipi> Greggi, i gave you yours yesterday
[19:17:45] <comay> timsf, were you able to integrate the zfs snapshot fix for swap/dump?
[19:17:53] <Greggi> e^ipi: NO, YOU HAVEN'T. YOU MEANT TO LOOK AFTER IT, BUT i GOT NONE FROM YOU
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[19:18:06] <e^ipi> i sent it to you in /msg yesterday
[19:18:07] <timsf> comay - I thought I was
[19:18:23] <e^ipi> i just sent it again
[19:18:26] <comay> CosmicDJ, the packages will be renamed to have more hierarchical names and not use stock symbols for the prefix
[19:18:27] <timsf>  I mean to say, I gave the fix to the JDS guys who actually do the delivering and left them to it...
[19:18:30] <e^ipi> don't get touchy
[19:18:33] <Greggi> e^ipi: there is nothing about it in my lohd
[19:18:41] <comay> timsf, okay just checking - couldn't tell if it had been accepted or not
[19:18:51] <Greggi> s/lohd/logs/
[19:18:53] <comay> (if not, i'll escalate immediately)
[19:18:59] <e^ipi> 13:34 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with Greggi
[19:18:59] <e^ipi> 13:34 <e^ipi> OS00XX
[19:19:06] <e^ipi> that was yesterday.
[19:19:09] <timsf> [ of course, this wasn't before their testers told me the fix had failed, hence my updating the bug the other day to explain how to test it ]
[19:19:36] <Greggi> e^ipi: oh, yesterday I was offline
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[19:19:46] <e^ipi> this was before you quit
[19:19:59] <e^ipi> you went offline at 14:23, an hour after i had sent you the message
[19:20:06] <Greggi> e^ipi: hmm, so I've missed it
[19:20:09] <e^ipi> so if you're going to be an ass, get your facts straight.
[19:20:41] <e^ipi> because i'm not here to take abuse
[19:20:42] <Greggi> e^ipi: seems my client is not loggin corecctly
[19:20:57] <Greggi> e^p: I'm not abusing
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[19:23:11] <Greggi> e^ipi: sorry, I'm really not abusing you at all
[19:23:31] <e^ipi> that's okay
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[19:30:33] <coffman> hm, firefox is crashing, one the awesomebar and also on the drop down of the searchbar
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[19:31:55] <coffman> atleast compression helps on the coredumps
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[19:32:58] <Asako> the latest build is nice
[19:34:48] <twisti> Greggi, Yes, hi!
[19:36:26] <twisti> I'm having a problem:
[19:36:26] <twisti> One of my pools disappeared in snv_100.
[19:36:26] <twisti> I'm having two pools:
[19:36:26] <twisti> # zpool list
[19:36:28] <twisti> NAME    SIZE   USED  AVAIL    CAP  HEALTH  ALTROOT
[19:36:30] <twisti> p2     93.5G  57.0G  36.5G    61%  ONLINE  -
[19:36:32] <twisti> rpool  16.9G  12.1G  4.79G    71%  ONLINE  -
[19:36:36] <twisti> And when I boot into snv_100, p2 is not there.
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[19:38:48] <Asako> can you import it?
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[19:46:19] <twisti> Asako, It's not there, that output is from snv_99.
[19:46:29] <twisti> It's not even OFFLINE or something.
[19:47:02] <Asako> ah, ok
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[19:54:29] <comay> twisti, reboot build 100 again - i believe you'll see the 2nd pool
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[19:58:11] <twisti> comay, I tried two or three times, but I can try again.
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[20:05:37] <throwt> export on old build, import -f on new?
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[20:20:03] <twisti> throwt, Hmm, how do I do that?
[20:20:21] <throwt> zfs export on old build, zfs import (maybe -f) on new one
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[20:25:26] <twisti> throwt, You mean zpool, right?
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[20:25:44] <throwt> yes.
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[20:32:23] <twisti> I think I don't have enough space to export it.
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[20:35:16] <apersson1> anyone here experience any problems with pkg when trying to go from 99 - 100?
[20:36:00] <MindDrive> If you're referring to IPS, once I upgraded SUNWipkg first, I had no issues.
[20:36:29] <apersson1> yup, IPS.
[20:37:23] <MindDrive> Running 100a right now with no problems; the new icon for NWAM is quite nice. :)
[20:37:44] <apersson1> things are stalling when indexing packages.. and pkg is eating up 500MB
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[20:37:51] <apersson1> sigh
[20:37:56] <apersson1> that's what I wanted to check out
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[20:40:26] <MindDrive> I know several people have had various issues updating to 100a, but I was fortunate in that the only one I had was a timeout to the server during my first run; the next run completed successfully in about 23 minutes.
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[20:45:14] <AstroTux> Hi, I've got Solaris up and running on the 'net and got OOo installed without issues. I'm currently trying to access a windows share, but it is refusing the username/password due to security restrictions on the windows server. Do I need to drop the authentication requirements on the windows box or can I configure Solaris to work with it?
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[20:45:48] <AstroTux> Samba appears to be working fine - I do get prompted for credentials
[20:46:44] <Asako> should be able to cifs mount it
[20:47:17] <AstroTux> OK...
[20:47:34] <Asako> can't help much, I've only used nfs
[20:48:02] <AstroTux> OK - I'm Googling it now...
[20:48:11] <AstroTux> I also have local NTFS partitions I'd like to read
[20:48:41] <AstroTux> So far, Solaris is the only *nix OS I've managed to break and fix without trouble (relatively)
[20:48:55] <AstroTux> As a direct result, Windows is history as of yesterday! :D
[20:49:19] <e^ipi> AstroTux, migrate your files to solaris, export via CIFS ;)
[20:49:35] <e^ipi> or alternately if it's all unix, linux, and mac on your network... nfs
[20:49:50] <AstroTux> My server is currently Windows 2000
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[20:51:18] <AstroTux> This is a new install via LiveCD 2008.05 - do I need to install anything to read NTFS or do I mount and go?
[20:52:34] <trygvis> anyone remember how much ram you can put in a v240?
[20:52:36] * trygvis lazy
[20:53:26] <AstroTux> trygvis: a quick google = 16Gb
[20:53:36] <e^ipi> AstroTux, you'll need the ntfs3g driver presumably
[20:53:43] <e^ipi> i think the belenix guys are distributing it
[20:53:44] <AstroTux> e^ipi: OK
[20:53:49] <AstroTux> * checks packages *
[20:54:56] <AstroTux> Uhmm - when I rush a diaslogue like package manager and it goes gray, is it just too busy to respond?
[20:55:10] <AstroTux> It comes back a couple of seconds later
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[21:00:18] <e^ipi> goes gray ?
[21:00:23] <e^ipi> do you have compiz on or something?
[21:01:21] <e^ipi> but yeah, if it goes gray either: 1) compiz is retarded, or 2) it's busy
[21:01:23] <throwt> rush - you mean move around?
[21:01:31] <e^ipi> compiz is pretty dumb so i wouldn't discount the first one
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[21:09:47] <RavenSlay3r> I'm using VBox on a Solaris host with OpenSuse-11.0 Guest to run "Kile" the KDE-LaTex editor.
[21:09:47] <RavenSlay3r> Twice now, while typing the backspace key will "lock" proceding to erase everything I've typed untill I can kill VBox from the console. The physical keyboard-key is not sticking, and due to auto-save backups I've not lost data yet!
[21:10:01] <RavenSlay3r> Has any one experienced this problem before or know how to solve it?
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[21:13:02] <Asako> is there a direct link for the solaris 10 iso?
[21:13:37] <Asako> nvm, got it
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[21:17:17] <AstroTux> e^ipi: hehe
[21:17:40] <AstroTux> e^ipi: I think it was just busy. Not had a problem with Compiz yet - just takes a little setting up
[21:18:11] <AstroTux> e^ipi: I like it as it reminds I'm not using Windows anymore
[21:18:50] <AstroTux> Anyone know if there are drivers for the Samsung CLP-300N color laser printer?
[21:19:13] <AstroTux> What is the preferred printer system for Solaris?
[21:19:27] <AstroTux> I know Linux users seem to prefer cups
[21:19:42] <bda> CUPS.
[21:19:53] <AstroTux> bda: thanks
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[21:24:04] <Asako> AstroTux, probably just postscript
[21:24:18] <Asako> worked with our printer at least
[21:25:45] <jgracin> I've just upgraded with pkg image-update, and I've got snv_100.  Shouldn't have that been at least build 100a?  I've read some posts about numerous problems in 100...
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[21:26:08] <jgracin> which is why 100a had been released
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[21:30:39] <AstroTux> asako: Great! I'll try it out
[21:31:09] <throwt> I'll bite your legs off.
[21:31:44] <throwt> *Sigh* I'm still waiting for accelerated ati drivers for solaris.
[21:31:55] <throwt> I read something where ATI replied back saying "Have your vendors bitch to us"
[21:32:40] <AstroTux> throwt: Get an nVidia card. ;)
[21:33:02] <AstroTux> throwt: ATI driver suport was always dismal...
[21:33:05] <throwt> I can't for my workstation, and my laptop which does have nvidia isnt supported well enough under solaris :P
[21:33:27] <AstroTux> throwt: Simply put: you're stuffed then! :D
[21:33:31] <Triskelios> throwt: really? what's your laptop?
[21:33:35] <throwt> For now, yeah
[21:33:40] <throwt> Triskelios: XPS M1210
[21:34:01] <AstroTux> throt: which card does it have?
[21:34:08] <throwt> 7400
[21:34:25] <AstroTux> throwt: My 7950GX2 is doing pretty well with the supplied drivers, which suprised me TBH
[21:34:38] <AstroTux> throwt: it sees both halves of the card
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[21:34:51] <throwt> oh, the nvidia part works fine
[21:34:57] <Triskelios> throwt: it's in the HCL... I don't see anything funny about it
[21:35:28] <throwt> Actually I didnt think before I said my laptop isnt supported well enough.  I think the only driver issue I have is the onboard nic, but honestly I cant use open/solaris on it until i can sleep and s2d
[21:35:42] <Triskelios> throwt: the onboard nic has drivers
[21:35:52] <Triskelios> suspend might work too
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[21:36:19] <Triskelios> broadcom chip, right?
[21:36:21] <throwt> yesa
[21:36:31] <throwt> Well I think the only issues are the S2D and suspend/sleep.  Those are critical, but S2D is more critical
[21:38:02] <Triskelios> s2d doesn't exist yet, but suspend works on a large number of systems as of b100
[21:38:19] <pudda> Hey, Any Of You No PHP
[21:38:30] <Triskelios> pudda: #php
[21:38:46] <throwt> I know, its not going to be long if sun's serious about it
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[21:47:29] <Triskelios> throwt: anyway the broadcom 44xx is supported by bfe from murayama's site (packaged as SFEnicdrv-bfe)
[21:48:39] <throwt> yeah.  i can do that.  although unless it comes with the os or comes from the mfgr site its not really 'supported'.  but i'll remember to go there for the driver...  i've gotten driverse from there before
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[21:54:29] <AstroTux> Looking in /dev, what would my sata hard disk be listed as? I'm looking for two primary partitions (PART1/PART2/SOLARIS) is how it is set up at the moment
[21:54:41] <AstroTux> I can't see what I'm looking for...
[21:54:59] <Triskelios> AstroTux: iostat -En
[21:57:17] <AstroTux> http://pastebin.com/d30f7bc4c
[21:57:20] <AstroTux> Bad?
[21:58:24] <Triskelios> try typing correctly =P
[21:58:40] <AstroTux> hehe - case sensitive... XD
[21:58:58] <e^ipi> most things in unix are
[21:59:40] <AstroTux> http://pastebin.com/d713bf8d9
[22:00:06] <AstroTux> e^ipi: Yeah... - a relapse to Windows there :D
[22:00:25] <Triskelios> that's a lot of stuff plugged in..
[22:01:35] <Triskelios> well, the x86 partitions are named <disk>p1...N, if you want to look at them
[22:01:43] <AstroTux> For some reason my memory stick lists twice. Yesterday I had it list 3 times.....
[22:01:52] <throwt> format -e
[22:01:53] <throwt> rmformat
[22:02:43] <AstroTux> throwt: I don't like the look of that command.... hehe
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[22:03:34] <Triskelios> AstroTux: format is potentially bad but, it prints a menu of disks first. rmformat just lists removable media
[22:05:28] <spiff> anyone here who knows how to get syslog-ng + eventlog compiled on OS snv_99?
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[22:05:50] <e^ipi> don't, and use the native logging facilities instead?
[22:06:14] <spiff> why not?
[22:06:27] <spiff> I need a decent log host
[22:06:44] <e^ipi> and solaris logging isn't sufficient for you?
[22:07:11] <spiff> sure, but I'd like some of the features in syslog-ng, such as time and date rewrite
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[22:07:45] <AstroTux> http://pastebin.com/d7d268ca6
[22:08:05] <AstroTux> Doesn't really seem to tell me anything I didn't already know...
[22:08:34] <Triskelios> AstroTux: yeah, it's just an alternative to iostat really
[22:08:40] <AstroTux> OK
[22:08:59] <Triskelios> AstroTux: anyway /dev/dsk holds the actual device nodes if you need to muck with them
[22:09:31] <AstroTux> Ahh... OK
[22:10:21] <AstroTux> Over 200 entries in there...
[22:11:36] <Triskelios> that'
[22:12:07] <Triskelios> s unusual, but a lot of them exist regardless of whether the device is present
[22:13:25] <spiff> is it impossible to clone ipkg zones from snapshots?
[22:13:51] <spiff> or unsupported?
[22:14:47] <AstroTux> AstroTux@opensolaris:/dev/dsk# mount /dev/dsk/c7d0p0 /mnt/hda
[22:14:47] <AstroTux> mount: /dev/dsk/c7d0p0 is not this fstype
[22:14:48] <Triskelios> beadm only operates on registered BEs, so you could do it manually
[22:15:03] <Triskelios> wait, it supports BE@snapshot too
[22:15:48] <Triskelios> AstroTux: mount -F <fstype>
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[22:16:00] <spiff> ok, but the zfs clone command which references some script, seems to skip the -s switch
[22:16:04] <spiff> Triskelios: ^
[22:16:34] <AstroTux>  Operation not applicable to FSType ntfs
[22:16:49] <Triskelios> AstroTux: ntfs needs additional software (FSWfsmisc)
[22:17:06] <spiff> anyway, are there alternatives to syslog-ng and syslogd?
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[22:18:00] <atom_> evening
[22:18:07] <AstroTux> TRiskelios: thanks! i'll go look for it
[22:18:17] <AstroTux> ^ typos
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[22:18:38] <atom_> Where can I find some help on page caching behaviour of a system?
[22:19:15] <throwt> solaris tuning guides
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[22:20:24] <atom_> can't find the answers in the guide
[22:20:35] <Triskelios> spiff: you mean zfs clone called from beadm, or..?
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[22:22:45] <throwt> heh.  with questions like those, its no wonder he didnt find any answer
[22:25:52] <spiff> Triskelios: um, er. Not sure what you mean, or how things have changed. I used zfs clone directly.
[22:27:13] <Triskelios> spiff: for boot environments you'd want to use beadm (similar to lu*)
[22:29:07] <Triskelios> that understands dependent filesystems (if any) and manages the bootloader config
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[22:38:30] <rab> anyone know a workaround to the "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'replace'" python error when using pkg(5) with b99?
[22:38:47] <rab> same results whether I do it as root, or give myself privs in /etc/user_attr and use pfexec
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[22:41:32] <Triskelios> rab: http://opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=299728
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[22:42:23] <rab> hah - that's strange
[22:42:41] <rab> thanks though
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[22:48:27] <AstroTux> OK, I installed the NTFS file system software, and get this:
[22:48:27] <AstroTux> AstroTux@opensolaris:/# mount -F ntfs /dev/dsk/d7d0p0 /mnt/hda
[22:48:28] <AstroTux> Could not open the disk/image /dev/dsk/d7d0p0.
[22:49:44] <AstroTux> p1 doesn't work either
[22:52:10] <Triskelios> d7 doesn't exist. p0 is the whole disk btw
[22:52:26] <AstroTux> Wondered if it might be
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[22:53:15] <AstroTux> What would it be then?
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[22:54:12] <Triskelios> the filename in iostat -En plus p<n>
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[22:54:53] <AstroTux> c7d0             Soft Errors: 0 Hard Errors: 0 Transport Errors: 0
[22:54:53] <AstroTux> Model: External Disk 0 Revision:  Serial No: 070C05F________ Size: 1000.20GB <1000202305536 bytes>
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[22:56:40] <AstroTux> OOPS! typo!
[22:56:52] <laht> hi good nigth
[22:56:58] <AstroTux> It worked! :D
[22:57:08] <AstroTux> d7 when I ,eant c7 hehe
[22:57:16] <Triskelios> read-only though
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[22:58:18] <laht> disk drive, format, partition recognize etc...
[22:58:21] <Triskelios> laht: do you mean driver instead of library?
[22:58:52] <laht> not
[22:58:54] <laht> library programming
[22:58:55] <AstroTux> Triskelios: No probs! Just need to be able to access that network share and I'm good!
[22:59:06] <CIA-58> Erwin T Tsaur <Erwin.Tsaur at Sun dot COM>: 6745976 pcie error handling for adjust for no aer on URs is incorrect., 6725568 PCI extended config space not usable on AMD CPUs, 6415305 npe(7) forgot to unmap config space handles ..., 6745957 px should use px_ranges_phi_mask for address lookup, 6702295 extended-capabilities property missing from leaf device after panic/reboot
[22:59:06] <CIA-58> Jerry Gilliam <Jerry.Gilliam at Sun dot COM>: 6751491 devfsadm check causes panic on clustered systems
[22:59:33] <Triskelios> AstroTux: also you have to use xumount to unmount because the ntfs driver uses a hack (check out the mount list)...
[23:00:07] <AstroTux> Triskelios: Yes, I read that in the notes.
[23:00:23] <AstroTux> Thanks! :)
[23:00:25] <laht> I want to make opensolaris disk utils suite
[23:00:25] <Triskelios> np
[23:01:01] <laht> I need the libraries for hard disk
[23:01:08] <Triskelios> laht: well, look at the source for the partitioning tools right now. there are a few reused components but no real library
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[23:05:23] <Triskelios> laht: I don't understand that question
[23:05:38] <laht> it have opensolaris driver dev references?
[23:06:56] <laht> Do they accept libraries in the opensolaris project?
[23:07:21] <laht> freebsd not accept codes but linux yes allow
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[23:09:18] <dsop> hmm I
[23:09:39] <dsop> hm I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but how to install software on solaris 10?
[23:10:23] <Triskelios> dsop: pkgadd/rm. probably should check out docs.sun.com
[23:10:37] <dsop> Triskelios: yes, but is there something like a repository_
[23:11:06] <Triskelios> dsop: not officially, although there are a few third-party ones
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[23:11:55] <dsop> Triskelios: thanks, now I just have to find if there was a dvd delivered with my sun workstation
[23:13:11] <Triskelios> laht: do you mean you want to start an official project, or just do something on your own?
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[23:22:23] <AstroTux> Triskelios: thanks for your help!
[23:22:36] <Triskelios> sure
[23:24:30] <Triskelios> laht: if you want your work to be included in opensolaris, you can create a project on opensolaris.org with endorsement from members of a community
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[23:26:13] <dsop> Triskelios: so if preinstalled, I have to download the isos to get software?
[23:26:48] <Triskelios> dsop: if the software is part of the standard distribution, yes
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[23:32:48] <e^ipi> dsop: forget about the dvd delivered with your machine, just download the latest
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[23:42:17] <dsop> e^ipi: okay, even though it's not very funny with a 2mbit bandwidth
[23:42:48] <e^ipi> it'll just take a while
[23:45:06] <e^ipi> for a workstation you might also consider SXCE or 2008.05 because if a workstation blows up it's not as big a deal
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