[00:00:40] <pjfloyd> [clock strikes midnight, beaty sleep for cinders]
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[00:14:25] <LuckyLuke> what happens if I create a raidz on different sized disks?
[00:14:53] <jbit> hrm, when booting opensolaris from the grub command line the boot text is unreadable
[00:16:13] <oxygene> LuckyLuke: it either fails, or limits to the smallest disk size (leaving space on the others). what else should it do?
[00:16:32] <LuckyLuke> oxygene: that was my idea, but I wasn't 100% sure :)
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[00:16:52] <LuckyLuke> zfs already changes some well-established concepts...
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[00:24:32] <LeftyBSD> I want zfs to have my babies!
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[00:30:21] <LuckyLuke> is there something more friendly than prtvtoc+fmthard to manage slices? something like the text gui in the installer...
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[00:36:46] <Stric> format
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[00:42:24] <tdeath> Is there a way to install OpenSolaris 99 prebuild without X, etc
[00:42:25] <tdeath> ?
[00:42:59] <tdeath> or any version for that matter
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[00:44:40] <jbit> yay, my driver kills the kernel ;P
[00:46:21] <tdeath> damn thing makes me install everything including the kitchen sink
[00:46:23] <tdeath> (2008.05 that is)
[00:46:45] <LuckyLuke> Stric: format, as far as I know, manages the dos-style partition table, and not slices.
[00:46:56] <Stric> LuckyLuke: then you know wrong
[00:47:16] <Stric> LuckyLuke: format in solaris manages slices, fdisk (on x86) manages dos-style partition tables
[00:47:26] <jbit> don't supose there are any kernel people around?
[00:47:49] <jbit> it seems when the kernel boots and pukes on my driver it instantly resets, it seems to output a callstack first but is too fast to read
[00:48:13] <tsoome> get it from crash dump?
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[00:48:17] <LuckyLuke> Stric: I'll do some RTFM, thanks
[00:48:24] <tsoome> or boot it with kadb
[00:48:31] <Cobra-the-joker> hey there every body
[00:48:32] <jbit> tsoome: it's before the disks are up, so no dump
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[00:48:43] <Stric> jbit: boot with -kv  I think
[00:48:47] <tsoome> then kadb;)
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[00:49:04] <Cobra-the-joker> i am thinking of installing opensolaris ..but i am having a small problem here
[00:49:04] * tdeath cuts himself
[00:49:11] <jbit> i think learning how to use the  kernel debugger is a task for another day
[00:49:15] <jbit> but -kv might be an option
[00:50:13] <Cobra-the-joker> i have here a usb adsl modem (speedtouch 330 )...is opensolaris can have it working ???
[00:50:28] * Cobra-the-joker cant live without internet
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[00:50:45] <jbit> ugh at USB modems...
[00:51:14] <Cobra-the-joker> ugh ???
[00:51:26] <Cobra-the-joker> :D....so i cant install a usb adsl modem ?
[00:52:01] <Cobra-the-joker> i have the firmware
[00:52:27] <jbit> sorry I have no idea about using it with opensolaris, i didn't mean to discourage you, it's just my natrual reaction to such things ;P
[00:52:53] <Stric> if it needs separate firmware to be loaded, your chances are going down..
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[00:53:26] <Stric> but try this internet search thing.. or try it.. probably more efficient than asking a handful of people that probably doesn't have one of those
[00:53:33] <jbit> maybe it has an NDIS driver, then tehre's a chance project evil (or whatever the solaris port is called) might work with it
[00:53:44] <tsoome> well, tbh, i cant quite imagine to develop drivers without knowing how to use debugger:D:D
[00:54:12] <jbit> tsoome: i know how to use a debugger, and i'm not really "developing" a driver but just adding some PCI IDs to an existing one
[00:54:31] <tsoome> oh meant kernel debugger;)
[00:54:33] <Cobra-the-joker> mmm
[00:54:35] <jbit> but learning how to use the solaris kernel debugger at 1am seems like a bad idea, especially since i'm out of coffee
[00:54:44] <tsoome> indeed:D
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[00:55:43] <jbit> is there a reference of flags i can pass the kernel btw?
[00:59:22] <Cobra-the-joker> is open solaris different from  fedora 9 ???...casue i have the way to install a usb adsl modem on a fedora system
[00:59:37] <Stric> yes.
[00:59:57] <Stric> drivers have pretty much nothing in common
[01:00:24] <tdeath> is it possible to install opensolaris without the gui?
[01:01:14] <jbit> tsoome: i just did default install and then removed the stuff i don't want after
[01:01:26] <jbit> it's not ideal, but it seemed like much less hastle than doing a custom install
[01:01:46] <tdeath> true
[01:01:47] <tdeath> thanks man.
[01:01:58] <jbit> (also since i'm a solaris newbie i thought starting from a "known working" base was a good idea ;P)
[01:05:04] <jbit> "welcome to kmdb"
[01:05:22] <jbit> i sure feel welcome ;P
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[01:06:46] <jbit> it's a relocation error with my hacked ahci driver which undoubtably means i've compiled it wrong (wrong source snapshot, wrong compiler, etc), ahh well, will try to fix it tomorrow ;P
[01:07:03] <jbit> it's nice that i can just move to a different fs and boot like nothing ever happened though, yay zfs
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[01:14:17] <Cobra-the-joker> if i get the way of installing the usb modem on solaris ....can i run it on opensolaris ?????
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[01:15:48] <tsoome> quite probably unless its really old and dropped:D
[01:16:28] <jbit> if it has an ndis driver you might have a chance of getting it working using the projectevil port
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[01:17:28] <jbk> usually usb modems show up as serial ports
[01:18:05] <jbit> jbk: adsl ones?
[01:18:27] <jbk> hmm..
[01:18:36] <Cobra-the-joker> adsl
[01:18:44] <jbk> have you tried plugging it in and seeing what it reports as?
[01:18:53] <jbit> you'd hope they'd show up as some kind of ethernet device
[01:18:58] <jbit> but i have no experience with them
[01:20:30] <foo_bar> he should boot into fedora and find out as he stated in #solaris he has fedora running without problems. Seeing how the device is detected there may lead to a answer
[01:21:40] <jbit> hrm, 32bit solaris with ahci driver gets about 200mbyte/sec sustained read performance, 64bit solaris with ide driver gets about 120mbyte/sec ;-/
[01:21:51] <jbit> think i'll stick with 32bit until i can fix the driver
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[01:22:50] <foo_bar> Cobra-the-joker: how is the device detected in Fedora, as a usb modem or as an ethernet device?
[01:23:08] <Cobra-the-joker> hmmm....its not detected actually
[01:23:19] <Cobra-the-joker> you have to let the system know about it
[01:23:36] <foo_bar> what does lusb show you?
[01:23:40] <foo_bar> lsusb even
[01:23:47] <jbit> presumably because you need to load firmware into it before it shows up as anything useful
[01:23:58] <Cobra-the-joker> dont know ....i didnt look for it
[01:24:30] <Cobra-the-joker> but first i installed the firmware ...then i made a secrets file
[01:24:31] <tsoome> any with vxvm knowledge?
[01:24:49] <Cobra-the-joker> and put it to the chap and pap secrets
[01:25:05] <Cobra-the-joker> and then make a bridge connection there (pppoe ) ...
[01:25:30] <oxygene> firmware upload on usb is a standard protocol, and surprisingly, most usb devices that do firmware uploads actually follow it
[01:25:32] <Cobra-the-joker> and then when i open the network configuration
[01:25:40] <Cobra-the-joker> i can found the device
[01:25:51] <Cobra-the-joker> thats all i know about it actaully
[01:27:21] <Cobra-the-joker> foo_bar , have any idea how to do that ?
[01:28:32] <jbit> oxygene: s/is a standard protocol/can be a standard protocol/
[01:28:39] <jbit> :)
[01:29:01] <oxygene> jbit: it's a standard. implementations can still choose to not implement it
[01:29:12] <jbit> true enough
[01:29:49] <foo_bar> Cobra-the-joker: cfgadm -v does display the device?
[01:29:53] <jbit> my experience is vendors seem to implement their own take on it, so standard tools don't work even though the device claims to use hte standard
[01:30:14] <jbit> (although this isn't exactly uncommon with other USB standards either...)
[01:30:55] <Cobra-the-joker> command not found
[01:31:49] <jbit> Cobra-the-joker: are you on fedora? or solaris? ;)
[01:32:17] <Suhail> what's the command to run bg process
[01:32:20] <Cobra-the-joker> am on fedora right now
[01:32:20] <Suhail> nohups or something?
[01:32:39] <foo_bar> Suhail: command &
[01:32:44] <Suhail> huh?
[01:33:12] <jbit> Suhail: nohup detaches a command from the tty
[01:33:28] <Suhail> ah I thnk that's what I wanted
[01:33:30] <jbit> "command &" runs the command in the background but leaves it attached to the tty
[01:33:37] <Suhail> Want to run an erlang server in the background permanantly
[01:33:46] <Cobra-the-joker> i get my service from telephone line ....can i get an ethernet adapter for that ?
[01:34:12] <jbit> Suhail: if you do "nohup somecommand" it'll continue running even if you log out
[01:34:28] <Suhail> jbit: that's what I want =)
[01:34:31] <jbit> screen is a better alternative if the program is interactive though
[01:34:47] <Suhail> jbit: it's a server
[01:34:50] <Suhail> not much interaction
[01:35:02] <Suhail> jbit: if I log off, won't screen kill it?
[01:35:07] <jbit> ah ;)
[01:35:11] <Suhail> or screen wil die in general
[01:35:18] <Suhail> btw how can I prove it's running
[01:35:20] <e^ipi> Suhail, no, that's why screen is amazing
[01:35:22] <Suhail> I just ran it
[01:35:24] <jbit> Suhail: ps
[01:35:26] <foo_bar> a server which doesnt fork into background isn't a real server.
[01:35:27] <e^ipi> screen -raAd and resume your stuff
[01:36:03] <jbit> foo_bar: this is true
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[01:36:27] <Suhail> e^ipi: I just want to run the server and log off the ssh session with it still running
[01:36:43] <Suhail> best way?
[01:36:50] <jbit> if it's a real server it'll fork by itself
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[01:37:18] <Suhail> jbit: It is.
[01:37:22] <e^ipi> Suhail, like jbit says, it shouldn't die from SIGHUP
[01:37:30] <e^ipi> aside from that, screen
[01:37:32] <foo_bar> well by this definition lotus notes isn't a real server but this doesnt tell any news :)
[01:37:34] <e^ipi> thats' how i run ctorrent
[01:37:36] <e^ipi> or irssi
[01:37:36] <jbit> you might need to give it a -d option or something though
[01:37:42] <Suhail> Which means I should use nohup then?
[01:37:47] <Suhail> or run normally?
[01:37:50] <Suhail> or run with screen?
[01:37:56] <Suhail> Guys are confusing me
[01:37:59] <e^ipi> just toss it in screen, that's the easiest
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[01:38:22] <Suhail> e^ipi: won't die if I log off my ssh session?
[01:38:28] <e^ipi> Suhail, no.
[01:38:33] <e^ipi> Suhail, that's what screen is for
[01:38:34] <jbit> that's kinda the point of screen
[01:38:39] <Suhail> ok
[01:38:45] <e^ipi> you can resume it later with screen -r
[01:38:45] <Suhail> gotta figure out how to use screen
[01:38:47] <jbit> also the point of nohup
[01:38:59] <Suhail> e^ipi: You keep saying resume, I don't want it to stop running though, needs to be active
[01:39:08] <e^ipi> Suhail, it is active.
[01:39:11] <Suhail> ok
[01:39:15] <e^ipi> by resume i mean resume the interactive session
[01:39:26] <e^ipi> here, watch this... i'm on my U40
[01:39:32] <jbit> screen is like nohup's big brother
[01:39:34] <e^ipi> i will now press ^A-d
[01:39:45] <Suhail> I just did screen <app>, how do I go back to my dir now?
[01:39:59] <e^ipi> now i'm on my macbook, after ssh-ing in to the server, and running screen -raAd
[01:40:10] <e^ipi> Suhail, no, just screen, by itself
[01:40:12] <e^ipi> you get a shell
[01:40:19] <e^ipi> treat it like a shell
[01:40:22] <e^ipi> it is a shell
[01:40:26] <Suhail> IT's running the app right now
[01:40:34] <Suhail> with an "interface"
[01:40:37] <jbit> Suhail: ctrl-a-d
[01:40:40] <foo_bar> ctrl+a d
[01:40:43] <e^ipi> cool, then just close the window, or press ^A d
[01:40:47] <Suhail> oh cool
[01:40:47] <e^ipi> or both
[01:40:48] <e^ipi> whatever
[01:40:54] <Suhail> that's what I wanted to know
[01:40:55] <Suhail> =)
[01:41:08] <Suhail> awesome
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[01:41:13] <jbit> and now it'll keep running in the background forever and ever and ever
[01:41:19] <foo_bar> to reconnect screen -ls , screen -r $pid in case you run more than one screen session.
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[01:41:34] <Suhail> I did ps but only two apps show up
[01:41:36] <Suhail> which is weird
[01:41:41] <e^ipi> here, have a blogoblog
[01:41:42] <e^ipi> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/34
[01:41:44] <jbit> Suhail: ps -A
[01:41:45] <e^ipi> how to use gnu screen.
[01:41:55] <jbit> Suhail: ps by itself will only show you apps in your current session
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[01:42:05] <Suhail> ah ok
[01:42:24] <Suhail> Think this is the app running: 14189 ?           0:00 screen-4 ?
[01:42:44] <jbit> that's screen, your app should show up as your app
[01:42:45] <Suhail> oooh
[01:42:46] <Suhail> iti s
[01:42:53] <Suhail> oh
[01:42:54] <e^ipi> magic.
[01:43:02] <jbit> screen is pretty magic ;P
[01:43:06] <Suhail> man I don't even know what my app is
[01:43:10] <Suhail> well what it's called
[01:43:11] <Suhail> lol
[01:43:23] <e^ipi> so use ptree
[01:43:29] <e^ipi> it will be one of screen's children
[01:43:32] <Suhail> oh it's probably beam
[01:43:35] <Suhail> since it's running erlang
[01:44:31] <Suhail> ah okay
[01:44:37] <Suhail> 14189 was the pid
[01:44:54] <Suhail> but I see the ones under the hierarchy
[01:44:57] <Suhail> interesting
[01:44:59] <Suhail> cool guys, thanks
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[03:34:29] <qiyong> do we support digital camera now?
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[03:40:04] <nachox> solaris 10 supported some already
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[05:28:43] <aghaster> Hi
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[05:35:14] <aghaster> Hi freetown
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[05:38:15] <freetown> hi aghaster
[05:38:47] <aghaster> I am a moderator on binrev.com, and two of our members have been reporting the OpenSolaris install CD would crash when it tries to load
[05:39:04] <aghaster> either when trying to install natively or when trying to install with the .iso in VirtualBox
[05:39:12] <aghaster> and the checksum for the .iso is correct
[05:39:42] <aghaster> As I don't have much information about how this is happening, I'm trying to find ways by which I could ask them to collect more info that would be helpful to isolate the problem
[05:39:45] <aghaster> do you have any idea?
[05:40:20] <aghaster> maybe VirtualBox has a way to save the state the machine was when it crashed?&
[05:41:03] <e^ipi> toss a coredump up somewhere
[05:41:12] <freetown> aghaster, hmm...no idea...i have had no problems at all...never had to try to work around booting the livecd
[05:41:17] <Triskelios> aghaster: well, you get a crash dump if you boot with -dv
[05:41:42] <e^ipi> or look in /var/crash/<blah> for it
[05:41:44] <aghaster> where is that crash dump saved when the OS is not installed?
[05:41:56] <Triskelios> e^ipi: he says the CD environment crashed
[05:42:01] <e^ipi> oh
[05:42:25] <Triskelios> aghaster: the debugger will give you just the stack trace, not a full dump
[05:42:38] <aghaster> hum...
[05:43:19] <aghaster> okay, so what should I ask them to do?
[05:43:44] <aghaster> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Core_dump
[05:44:04] <aghaster> would a core dump from VirtualBox be useful, or only contain info about VirtualBox itself and not the machine it was running
[05:44:25] <e^ipi> likely just about virtualbox
[05:44:36] <aghaster> that's what I thought
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[05:45:52] <aghaster> Hi Alasdairrr
[05:46:38] <Triskelios> aghaster: ask them to press E in GRUB and add "-vk" to the kernel line before booting. if the OS crashes it will drop into a debugger (and also print the kernel stack)
[05:46:59] <aghaster> ok
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[05:50:39] <aghaster> thanks for the help, I'll come back when I'll know more about it
[05:52:49] <e^ipi> you could... i dunno... send them to do their own goddamn debugging
[05:53:56] <aghaster> I'm just trying to help, if there is a problem to be fixed, then we must know what it is
[05:54:01] <aghaster> :P
[05:54:12] <aghaster> OpenSolaris runs fine on all computers I've installed it on
[05:54:16] <e^ipi> o_O
[05:54:19] <e^ipi> yeah... me too
[05:54:38] <aghaster> so I was really surprised when those two members reported that it simply crashed, either natively or in a VM
[05:56:39] <e^ipi> i'm surprised they sidestepped the actual forums for it and posted on some random other website
[05:57:48] <aghaster> no, it is just that I animate some discussion about OpenSolaris on binrev.com
[05:58:00] <aghaster> those members took my adviced and ordered a CD or downloaded the iso
[05:58:04] <aghaster> advice*
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[05:59:02] <CIA-58> Palle Lyckegaard <palle at lyckegaard dot dk>: 6442434 Solaris should have AF_LOCAL/PF_LOCAL/AF_FILE/PF_FILE as synonyms for AF_UNIX/PF_UNIX, Contributed by Palle Lyckegaard <palle at lyckegaard dot dk>
[06:00:42] <e^ipi> hmm... the contributed by line doesn't make sense when the author is also denoted
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[06:02:10] <Triskelios> I find it funny that someone decided to add PF_LOCAL just now
[06:02:56] <e^ipi> as opposed to ?
[06:03:30] <Triskelios> I donno, a decade ago when the BSDs did?
[06:03:51] <_mary_kate_> i guess a lot of linux programs use it
[06:04:38] <e^ipi> the heads up note indicates as such, but also indicates that a bunch of stuff with #ifdef sun ... might break
[06:04:40] <Triskelios> yes, I've had write a dozen s/PF_LOCAL/PF_UNIX/ patches by now
[06:05:14] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: serves them right for not doing #ifndef PF_LOCAL instead
[06:05:46] <e^ipi> mm
[06:06:12] <e^ipi> but nobody ever accused linux types of doing things correctly
[06:08:07] <Triskelios> e^ipi: guess the "Contributed by" is used to denote SCA explicitly now that people can commit directly
[06:08:20] <e^ipi> incorrect
[06:08:33] <e^ipi> there are several ways to denote the actual author
[06:08:44] <e^ipi> one is to change the author through hg, the other is contributed by ...
[06:09:00] <e^ipi> people also cannot commit directly, it still has to go through a sun engineer
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[06:13:45] <Triskelios> e^ipi: in this case the author was rewritten but the contributed by is still an explicit indicator that this went through the contributor process (as opposed to having to infer that non-Sun.COM commits are outside contributors)
[06:14:29] <e^ipi> yeah, it's not incorrect, just odd
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[06:49:01] <lloy0076> If someone wanted a login that ran "something" and then logged out using Solaris 9...
[06:49:19] <lloy0076> ...easiest way would be to execute it with signals masked from a .shrc or .profile...
[06:49:20] <lloy0076> ??
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[06:54:24] <_mary_kate_> change the login shell, .profile is easy to bypass
[06:55:21] <lloy0076> That's what I thought.
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[07:29:52] <e^ipi> Triskelios: you're probably long since past it but it's still in the first page of scrollback  so i thought i'd add... the reason i dislike the 'Contributed by' demarcation is that it puts up a visible separation between Sun engineer contributions and non-sun contributions
[07:30:18] <e^ipi> the two will never be entirely equivalent but i personally like to see the line blurred as much as possible
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[07:37:23] <bimbo> hello, ok something extremely bad and odd happened
[07:37:35] <bimbo>  /opt folder is empty
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[07:38:00] <bimbo> the computer has not been compromised
[07:38:17] <bimbo> and of course I did not empty it, not even accidentally
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[07:39:09] <bimbo> that is extremely bad, there where a lot of applications there that I use daily
[07:39:25] <bimbo> what can I do to find out what the f*ck happened?
[07:39:51] <bimbo> I've checked the logs, and there's nothing giving me a clue on what happened
[07:39:55] <ky-san> did you change any mount options?
[07:40:28] <bimbo> no I did not
[07:40:35] <bimbo> I changed nothing at all
[07:41:26] <lloy0076> You didn't install anything...at all?
[07:41:27] <Wintermute21> hi, i downloaded the ISO of 200805, and i'm getting errors when using the ISO in VirtualBox, and GUI mode fails to start
[07:41:32] <lloy0076> And is /opt in global zone?
[07:42:09] <bimbo> lloy0076: yes, nothing at all, well new version of netbeans only, but I restarted and everything was ok
[07:42:11] <lloy0076> Wintermute21: I don't have that but you might want to be more specific about the errors - does it log anything, show anything, does it actually load up but the images are fuzzy....
[07:42:32] <lloy0076> bimbo: The new version of netbeans, which would install into /opt by default, shouldn't do funny things.
[07:42:42] <lloy0076> bimbo: However if it really IS the only change...it's a candidate.
[07:42:47] <Wintermute21> lloy0076: i'll post a screenshot, ok?
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[07:43:18] <bimbo> yeah it was installed in /opt, there's where I keep all of my applications (the ones not managed by ips)
[07:43:37] <lloy0076> bimbo: ips - so you mean you're running Indiana?
[07:43:39] <bimbo> ok I'm gonna have to read the zfs guide to troubleshoot this I think
[07:43:43] <bimbo> yes, indiana
[07:43:50] <bimbo> but netbeans was not installed using it
[07:43:51] <Wintermute21> lloy0076: http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=opensolarisvmhl4.jpg
[07:43:54] <bimbo> I installed it manually
[07:43:58] <lloy0076> bimbo: What does "zfs list" show.
[07:44:14] <lloy0076> bimbo: I doubt netbeans installer would snapshot you, remove everything, and then plonk itself in.
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[07:44:23] <lloy0076> bimbo: But stranger things have happened at sea.
[07:45:15] <bimbo> yeah I doubt netbeans would do that, because like I said I restarted and everything was fine
[07:45:52] <bimbo> http://pastebin.ca/1240355
[07:45:57] <bimbo> that is the output of zfs list
[07:46:30] <bimbo> hmmm
[07:46:33] <bimbo> that doesn't look ok
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[07:47:02] <lloy0076> Wintermute21: That appears to be some sort of network *thing*.
[07:47:21] <lloy0076> Wintermute21: It could be that avahi is falling over, the network's gone pie shaped totally and X won't work because there's no network.
[07:47:36] <bimbo> but it seems that I'll be able to recover everything in opt...
[07:47:39] <Wintermute21> ah
[07:48:24] <lloy0076> bimbo: That 24K partition for /opt doesn't look right.
[07:48:48] <Wintermute21> lloy0076: i'll enable networking in VB and see if that helps at all then
[07:49:10] <_mary_kate_> lloy0076: that's not a partition, it's a zfs filesystem
[07:49:20] <_mary_kate_> lloy0076: they resize on the fly to the size of the data contained within
[07:49:22] <lloy0076> _mary_kate_: Sorry, I call them partitions :P
[07:49:29] <lloy0076> _mary_kate_: My bad.
[07:49:44] <_mary_kate_> (and /opt is mostly empty in a fresh install, so it makes sense it'd only use 24K)
[07:50:24] <bimbo> but this is not a fresh install
[07:50:38] <lloy0076> _mary_kate_: Opt's gone from 592 to 597 to 797 to 1016.
[07:50:59] <lloy0076> _mary_kate_: Do you know if the CURRENT opt is the one with no -# (i.e. the one that is rpool/ROOT/opensolaris/opt      24K  10.5G  3.60M  /opt)
[07:51:28] <lloy0076> (or is the current opt, rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-6/opt  1022M  10.5G  1016M  /opt)
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[07:54:51] <bimbo> :@ brb,
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[07:58:26] <bimbo> ok, just restarted and the contents under the opt folder are back again
[07:58:32] <bimbo> but what the heck was that?
[07:58:42] <Wintermute21> lloy0076: yeah, same error even with networking enabled in VB
[07:58:43] <bimbo> it almost gave a heart attack
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[08:00:41] <Wintermute21> i got the console login working though
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[08:03:05] <Wintermute21> but i don't know the passwords to any of the user names
[08:03:24] <lloy0076> Neither do I.
[08:03:34] <Wintermute21> heh
[08:03:36] <lloy0076> My guess would be they're on the Indiana/Opensolaris web-site.
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[08:13:47] <codestr0m> how are decisions like "Updated pkg.opensolaris.org repository URLs" made?
[08:14:22] <codestr0m> I mean.. the opensolaris governance board decides this. or some technical team or.. everything happens inside @sun.com ?
[08:14:54] <_mary_kate_> i imagine that would be done by the people who handle the pkg/ipkg.sfbay infrastructure.  they hang out in #pkg5
[08:15:06] <_mary_kate_> (and as far as i know, at the moment they all work for sun)
[08:15:31] <codestr0m> yeah. I've talked with them before
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[08:28:15] <fraggeln> yay, im running 101 now :)
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[09:26:03] <DTEIT> morning
[09:26:08] <asyd> \_o<
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[09:30:06] <CosmicDJ> yawning
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[09:31:24] <quasi> hey hey asyd
[09:31:41] <asyd> heya quasi
[09:31:43] <asyd> whats sup
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[09:36:09] <quasi> the opposite of sdown
[09:36:17] <asyd> :)
[09:42:04] <CosmicDJ> so my calendar says it's end of oct, where's u6? :-p
[09:42:56] <quasi> mine doesn't run out of October until after tomorrow
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[09:46:47] <CosmicDJ> public holiday tomorrow where I live ; so this month is over
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[09:50:52] <quasi> that's your problem ;)
[09:51:37] <smtms> public holidays are good for upgrading stuff
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[09:52:06] <quasi> with a .us election right around the corner I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to hold off till the end of november or the beginning of december
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[09:52:31] <smtms> quasi, what has the election to do with it?
[09:56:28] <codestr0m> for building ON.. I can't seem to get why if I turn off CW_NO_SHADOW it won't allow me to also use the OS tools instead of the workspace's tools in $SRC/tools (-t)
[09:56:48] <codestr0m> I tried being explicit ONBLD_BIN="/opt/onbld/bin"
[09:56:54] <codestr0m> and that didn't work
[09:58:00] <codestr0m> or turn on.. I'd like to disable all __GNUC
[09:59:17] <quasi> smtms: stealing all the media attention
[09:59:59] <CosmicDJ> yes, I can see the breaking news on cnn, too "Solaris 10 u6 released" :p
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[10:02:47] <CosmicDJ> "before the weather report; barack obama was elected as the 44th president of the USA; have a nice evening, bye"
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[10:06:58] <CosmicDJ> hm no one agrees? bunch of reps here?
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[10:08:15] <smtms> Sarah Palin for vice-president!
[10:08:23] <CosmicDJ> hehe indeed
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[10:09:09] <CosmicDJ> and after mccain pegged out (he's quite old after all...); president
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[10:21:59] <trochej> Coffee?
[10:23:11] <CosmicDJ> from sarah palin? sure ;)
[10:23:27] <asyd> tea for me
[10:23:29] <asyd> thanks :)
[10:25:42] <_coredump_> moinsen
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[10:31:08] <chendy> it's oct 30 when will 10/08 out?
[10:32:29] <quasi> just because it's named 10/08 doesn't mean it's going to be out in october
[10:32:30] <CosmicDJ> chendy: november, 10th IIRC
[10:33:00] <chendy> thx
[10:33:45] <quasi> smtms: if mccain doesn't win Palin inteds to run for prez in 2012. if he wins, she'll be probably aim for 2009 ;)
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[10:35:45] <Atomdrache> Bummer if he dies in office.  I doubt he's as heart-attack-resistant as Cheney.
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[10:36:17] <quasi> the man looks dead already
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[10:37:13] <CosmicDJ> I always get hungry for french, sry freedom fries when I hear/read his name ;)
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[11:17:52] <Hybridus> hello
[11:18:12] <Hybridus> how do i recover a forgotten root password on opensolaris?
[11:18:36] <CosmicDJ> sxce or 2008.xy?
[11:20:00] <Hybridus> 10-u5-ga-x86
[11:20:12] <CosmicDJ> that's not opensolaris
[11:20:37] <tsoome> boot alternate medis, mount / and edit shadow file
[11:20:41] <tsoome> media*
[11:20:54] <Hybridus> that's what i downloaded to boot from cd and mount / ..
[11:21:54] <Hybridus> CosmicDJ: than what is this iso image
[11:22:13] <CosmicDJ> Hybridus: Solaris 10, Update 5
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[11:24:02] <Hybridus> current installed opensolaris is 2008.05
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[11:38:18] <evocallaghan> Isn't update 6 meant to be out this week ?
[11:38:49] <_mary_kate_> < CosmicDJ> chendy: november, 10th IIRC
[11:39:32] <Hybridus> okay i mounted the disk
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[11:39:44] <Hybridus> and opened shadow file
[11:40:11] <Hybridus> what should i set the new value?
[11:40:16] <Hybridus> could i left it blank?
[11:40:29] <Fullmoon> Is there any way to find out who or when specific files were deleted?
[11:40:38] <Fullmoon> ZFS v12
[11:40:53] <Fullmoon> Zpool v12, zfs v3
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[11:42:32] <CosmicDJ> Fullmoon: I think that's only possible with BSM
[11:43:08] <CosmicDJ> Fullmoon: you could check snapshots, but they won't tell you exactly when a file was deleted; and they won't tell you at all who deleted it
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[11:43:56] <Fullmoon> CosmicDJ: BSM looks good; I am afraid it is a rogue cleanup script, but I am not sure
[11:44:14] <quasi> dtrace is another option
[11:44:19] <CosmicDJ> Fullmoon: so the file gets deleted frequently?
[11:44:48] <Fullmoon> CosmicDJ: No, first occurence, might be an escaping problem, I am not in charge of the script
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[13:01:12] <m0zzzy> hi
[13:01:43] <m0zzzy> I am confused here with virtual interface..is it possible to somehow create that vni?
[13:02:06] <m0zzzy> I want to use ifconfig usesrc
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[13:08:44] <quasi> m0zzzy: there's an example in http://system-log.tyr.org.uk/2008/06/27/building-a-solaris-cluster-express-cluster-in-a-virtualbox-on-opensolaris/
[13:08:58] <trochej> Coffe
[13:09:15] <quasi> trochej: good plan
[13:09:25] <trochej> It is always a good plan :)
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[13:36:51] <m0zzzy> quasi: thanks, but I mentioned vni(7d), virtual interface created after enabling Trusted Extensions
[13:37:02] <m0zzzy> I want to use it without Trust Extensions
[13:38:33] <m0zzzy> you can find more in ifconfig manual, but they never say where it appeared from
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[13:45:09] <codestr0m> I can totally appreciate why sun just did their own makefiles with sfw
[13:46:02] <codestr0m> it's consistent and predictable.. if you are familiar with it you'll be able to change and do what you want
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[14:13:07] <quasi> m0zzzy: ah
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[14:25:09] <fluxdude> when I try installing OpenSolaris in a virtual machine, it always hangs after the language selection but the cpu usage is ongoing at around 30%. Any ideas why?
[14:25:23] <Stric> what vm?
[14:25:25] <fluxdude> I have left it like this for nearly 24 hours now
[14:25:28] <fluxdude> Virtual PC 2007
[14:25:44] <Stric> no idea about that, but it works fine in VirtualBox for instance, which is free
[14:25:53] <fluxdude> but I have used Linux in Virtual PC before...
[14:26:02] <Stric> linux and solaris are different
[14:26:07] <Stric> VMs aren't perfect
[14:26:12] <Stric> so it might hit something..
[14:27:51] <fluxdude> i've done lots of linux but want transfer my skills to Solaris. How different is it really, commands seem similar, grub, gnome etc...
[14:28:29] <fluxdude> kernel and some base components under the hood must be different but it seems they're borrowing more of the gnu system these days, no more cde etc?
[14:29:04] <_mary_kate_> unless it now uses the Debian installer, i doubt your problem is caused by it being similar to linux
[14:29:16] <Stric> and the linux kernel
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[14:30:54] * jbit guesses it's an x11 issue since it crashes after boot
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[14:33:08] <jbit> fluxdude: have you tried booting it in console (non-graphical) mode?
[14:33:24] <_setuid_H> Afternoon all
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[14:38:51] <evocallaghan> Anyone built SFEcmake.spec lately ?
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[14:42:38] <evocallaghan> ube: error: Cannot exec '/opt/SUNWspro/prod/bin/fbe' : Not enough space
[14:42:47] <evocallaghan> Maybe I am missing a patch level ?
[14:43:57] <evocallaghan> cc -V > cc: Sun C 5.9 SunOS_i386 Patch 124868-01 2007/07/12
[14:43:57] <evocallaghan> CC -V > CC: Sun C++ 5.9 SunOS_i386 Patch 124864-01 2007/07/25
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[14:45:29] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: you've hit a bug
[14:46:02] <codestr0m> #1 make sure you've got a patched system #2 file a bug on bugs.sun.com if it's already not an issue #3 try testing with SSX
[14:46:03] <evocallaghan> clearly
[14:46:34] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: ./pca -p Studio
[14:46:38] <fluxdude> jbit: tried that but it still hangs
[14:46:46] <evocallaghan> Its, however a odd one *if* it is a studio bug ?
[14:47:07] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:Hey, hmm, I really should install pca
[14:47:10] <evocallaghan> brb
[14:47:12] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: you're got some over optimization probably
[14:47:22] <evocallaghan> no
[14:47:34] <CosmicDJ> 124868-01 is oooooold
[14:47:55] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: yes .it's clear he doesn't have a patched system, but let him figure that out
[14:48:01] <CosmicDJ> have you ever patched it since you installed it?
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[14:48:16] <evocallaghan> http://rafb.net/p/hfiniE59.html
[14:48:37] <codestr0m> success ctfconvert: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
[14:48:46] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:I just did a fresh install of everything last week
[14:48:53] <evocallaghan> Its prob something I missed
[14:49:06] <CosmicDJ> SS12?
[14:49:32] <evocallaghan> everything, whole box was wiped and fresh install of sxce 99 + ss12
[14:51:48] <codestr0m> I'm noticing -xdebugformat=stabs is there any particular reason they aren't using dwarf2 ?
[14:51:57] <codestr0m> this is for some of the build tools
[14:52:06] <codestr0m> support has been in SS for a while now
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[15:04:37] <coffman> lo
[15:05:03] <coffman> the sxce 101 text installer fails on me
[15:05:21] <coffman> it exits right after package selection
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[15:10:56] <codestr0m> cypromis: the link you sent wasn't exactly correct
[15:10:57] <codestr0m> http://globalspecials.sun.com/servlet/ControllerServlet?Action=DisplayPage&Env=BASE&Locale=en_US&SiteID=sunstor&id=ProductDetailsPage&productID=74829700
[15:11:01] <codestr0m> is the correct link
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[15:11:34] <codestr0m> with that you can "influence" (whatever that means) priorities and other things
[15:11:46] <codestr0m> it's still quite reasonably priced though
[15:12:40] <cypromis> me ?
[15:15:29] <codestr0m> cypromis: yeah. I asked about the support plans for SS and you looked it up
[15:16:01] <codestr0m> anyway.. that link is for SS12 and I'm not sure if it would cover SSX as well. I'm trying to get clarification on that and "You can have some influence
[15:16:01] <codestr0m> on our priorities and timing with a full Service Contract."
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[15:33:10] <qiyong> what is  /dev/ttya ?
[15:35:25] <codestr0m> qiyong: a tty device?
[15:35:45] <qiyong> codestr0m: sure
[15:35:56] <qiyong> what's the difference to /dev/tty ?
[15:35:57] <codestr0m> I know what you meant though.. sorry.. couldn't resist
[15:36:12] <codestr0m> qiyong: does the box have a serial port?
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[15:36:34] <qiyong> codestr0m: you mean 15 pin serial port
[15:36:36] <qiyong> ?
[15:37:07] <codestr0m> qiyong: well. I know it as a db9 iirc, but yeah
[15:37:20] <qiyong> yeah, it's 9 pins
[15:37:31] <qiyong> so ttya is that serial port codestr0m
[15:37:57] <codestr0m> qiyong: I'm not sure, but that's my guess
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[15:39:10] <qiyong> is there some opensolaris devleopement chann?
[15:39:49] <codestr0m> qiyong: that's actively used. here is your best bet
[15:40:20] <codestr0m> if you ask a more specific question maybe someone will be able to help
[15:40:42] <qiyong> is there often kernel developing topic discussed?
[15:43:47] <CosmicDJ> qiyong: no, IIRC most of the stuff you're looking for is in the ARC cases...
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[15:58:17] <tarzeau> is any of you working at SUN?
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[15:58:23] <tarzeau> i need help, i'm in contact with curtis sasaki
[15:58:27] <tarzeau> we need to figure out where the sun lighthouse design application source code is
[15:58:33] <tarzeau> any hints welcome. thank you
[15:58:44] <codestr0m> tarzeau: you can find online how to email a sun employee
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[15:58:56] <codestr0m> their email if you have the name like you do is predictable
[15:59:18] <tarzeau> codestr0m: the point is i don't know WHO at sun knows where the stuff is
[15:59:26] <tarzeau> but i have a few more contacts that i'll ask.
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[15:59:55] <tarzeau> curtis and jonathan just can say, yes it's fine. but someone has to have it first (the source code)
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[16:19:12] <codestr0m> "main.c", line 475: undefined symbol: PATLEN
[16:19:26] <codestr0m> I've no idea where PATLEN is supposed to be defined
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[16:20:57] <codestr0m> cscope-fast/constants.h:#define	MSGLEN	PATLEN + 80	/* displayed message length */
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[16:22:28] <_mary_kate_> use cscope to find it!  oh wait
[16:22:36] <codestr0m> cscope-fast/Makefile:PATLEN=		250
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[16:30:47] <phimic> hi all
[16:31:02] <codestr0m> this was driving me crazy i386/ctfmerge: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
[16:31:09] <phimic> i had a system crash while doing a zfs rollback
[16:31:53] <phimic> now my vbox doesnt work i have "maintenance svc://application/virtualbox/zoneaccess:default
[16:32:03] <phimic> how can i solve this
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[16:32:35] <phimic> i did not do bad thins i only did this http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/virtualbox_rollback
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[16:35:57] <sactodave> is anyone having trouble with the display locking up on b101
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[17:01:02] <CIA-58> Dave Marquardt <Dave.Marquardt at Sun dot COM>: 6729131 Power Management can't be done when only one vcpu is online in a domain.
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[17:10:02] <Berny> hey folks - is it a bug or intended behaviour that i cannot remove anything from a zfs dataset (with quota) which has 0bytes free?
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[17:31:01] <PerterB> if there are any snapshots then it would be expected
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[17:48:21] <evocallaghan> Is Cairo inc. in FOX ?
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[18:06:47] <aquanaut> Is it possible to mount the filesystem of an ldom disk image from outside the ldom?
[18:07:11] <aquanaut> The disk image is simply a file create with mkfile and presented to the ldom.
[18:07:27] <_mary_kate_> aquanaut: did you try lofiadm?
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[18:07:43] <aquanaut> No yet
[18:07:50] <aquanaut> Let me read about it.
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[18:19:34] <aquanaut> _mary_kate_: lofiadm with this error: 'could not find device for /ldoms/sith_vdsk0_172g.img: No such file or directory'
[18:21:46] <_mary_kate_> does that file exist?
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[18:23:51] <aquanaut> it does
[18:24:09] <aquanaut> # file /ldoms/sith_vdsk0_172g.img
[18:24:10] <aquanaut> /ldoms/sith_vdsk0_172g.img:     data
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[18:28:01] <aquanaut> _mary_kate_: any ideas?
[18:28:07] <_mary_kate_> aquanaut: no
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[18:28:28] <_mary_kate_> aquanaut: are you in a Sun Cluster environment where the lofi driver was disabled?
[18:28:36] <_mary_kate_> well, i guess that is an idea, so i lied.  i do have an idea
[18:29:14] <aquanaut> No cluster environment. I am on the primary ldom.
[18:29:28] <aquanaut> Where the file lives.
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[18:30:01] <aquanaut> How can I check if the lofi driver is active?
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[18:30:59] <aquanaut> Hmm. I gues lofi doesn't know how to handle the disk image.
[18:31:00] <aquanaut> # lofiadm -a /ldoms sith_vdsk0_172g.img
[18:31:00] <aquanaut> lofiadm: /ldoms is not a regular file, block, or character device
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[18:31:59] <_mary_kate_> wrong syntax
[18:32:16] <_mary_kate_> lofiadm -a /ldoms/sith_vdsk0_172g.img
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[18:34:13] <aquanaut> Ok. That work. But prtvtoc doesn't show all the partitions
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[18:35:58] <_mary_kate_> ah, it's a whole disk image, not a partition image...
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[18:42:07] <aquanaut> _mary_kate_: yes
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[18:44:33] <hudnix> anybody have experience using ipfilter to redirect certain ports to a private zone?
[18:45:09] <hudnix> I've got it working with tcp ports, but trying to redirect udp ports with ipnat isn't working.
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[18:48:13] <aquanaut> _mary_kate_: Do know of any other tool?
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[19:06:26] <markand> hi
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[19:53:07] <sstallion_work> does anyone know offhand if lu supports zfs based zones yet ?
[19:55:19] <jbk> that i'm not sure -- i'd really like to know for u6 though :)
[19:55:26] <trochej> :)
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[20:00:58] <estibi> sstallion_work: it supports
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[20:06:36] <sstallion_work> estibi: know a good place to rtfm ?
[20:06:41] <sstallion_work> need to upgrade my workstation
[20:06:50] <turtle> yeah
[20:06:57] <turtle> the best place to rtfm is tfm
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[20:11:00] <estibi> sstallion_work: well, you need to have zfs root, so it will create clones. If you use ufs, just detach zones, du luupgrade, and attach the zones with '-u' (update)
[20:11:36] <sstallion_work> estibi: well, using zfs root, luupgrade didnt seem to appreciate running an luupgrade against the root
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[20:24:32] <bimbo> hello, about 9 hours ago I posted a problem on this channel, I boot up my os200805 system and the /opt folder was empty, I restarted and everything was back in it again, but this makes me wonder what could have caused this? zfs list shows the same as it did when the folder was empty
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[20:41:43] <LuckyLuke> is it possible to turn compression=on on a zfs root filesystem?
[20:42:23] <RElling1> LuckyLuke: yes, zfs set compression=on rpool
[20:43:15] <LuckyLuke> thanks. I was in doubt if it would cause any problem. I turned on compression on the filesystem I'm liveupgrading to
[20:43:36] <LuckyLuke> (b99 -> b101) it won't affect most of the data, but still better than nothing.
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[20:44:15] <RElling1> Glenn wrote a blog on how to do this for initial installs, http://blogs.sun.com/glagasse/entry/howto_enable_zfs_compression_when
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[20:44:56] <RElling1> caveat: I can't remember if gzip compressions work... not sure if grub has that feature, but the default compression works
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[20:46:38] <LuckyLuke> RElling1: I'm using the default one. Turning it on with a script in another shell is rather easy like the blog says, too bad I'm on SXCE and usually do text-only installs (no additional terminals!) but that's not a big problem after all.
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[20:49:01] <ceri> Anyone know what compiler I'm supposed to be using for building ON now?
[20:49:01] <RElling1> ah, but you can do text installs in the window system, open another terminal and set the ZFS values... this is how I do it
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[20:50:05] <LuckyLuke> RElling1: I mean, I don't run X because either I can't (on some systems I use it doesn't even run on the completely installed system) or I don't like to (small ram)
[20:50:45] <RElling1> bummer... at this time, there is no way to pass ZFS parameter arguments through the installer
[20:50:54] <LuckyLuke> no probs
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[20:51:34] <RElling1> OTOH, you could basically do what Glenn suggests, then start the installer
[20:51:47] <ceri> LuckyLuke, you could jumpstart and use a preinstall script that forks off into the background and keeps checking for the pool to appear
[20:52:05] <RElling1> ceri: yep
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[20:55:17] <jbit> ceri: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/ says sun studio 12
[20:55:50] <ceri> jbit, ah thank you.  I missed that somehow.
[20:56:51] <jbit> aparently gcc will work though
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[20:57:56] <ceri> studio12 is fine, no preference here
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[20:59:19] <CIA-58> Ali Bahrami <Ali.Bahrami at Sun dot COM>: 6765299 ld --version-script option not compatible with GNU ld
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[21:07:15] <surgex> hello
[21:07:51] <surgex> i am using open solaris 05.2008
[21:08:05] <surgex> i have a fibrechannel card
[21:08:18] <surgex> from the mfg's website, they provide a driver, it's a .pkg file
[21:08:21] <surgex> how do i install it?
[21:08:29] <surgex> pkg install filename.pkg?
[21:08:32] <ceri> what card is it?
[21:08:38] <surgex> atto celerity 42ES
[21:08:56] <ceri> ok.  what does "file filename.pkg" say?
[21:09:34] <surgex> ATTOClrtyfc_0250_i386.pkg
[21:09:41] <surgex> oh
[21:09:42] <surgex> hold on
[21:10:03] <surgex> says package datastream
[21:10:53] <ceri> you would normally just "pkgadd -d filename.pkg" then; I'm not sure how that works with pkg
[21:11:04] <surgex> okay ill try
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[21:11:42] <surgex> damn
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[21:12:50] <AstroTux> Hi - is opensolaris suitable for day to day use, or is it aimed at developers?
[21:13:24] <benr> both.
[21:13:44] <AstroTux> Great!
[21:13:47] <benr> Not useful to developers unless it can be used day-to-day. :)
[21:13:55] <AstroTux> hehe - I guess :)
[21:14:01] <benr> The aim was to replace Linux desktops, so it tries to be as robust.
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[21:14:26] <benr> 2008.05 is out now, and 2008.11 is due soon.
[21:14:38] <AstroTux> I've got a 2008.05 live CD
[21:14:50] <benr> have you fired it up yet?
[21:14:54] <AstroTux> Yes
[21:15:00] <benr> kool.
[21:15:07] <AstroTux> Slight problem: neither of my network cards rae recognized
[21:15:10] <ceri> We use it as cheap FC targets, rather than desktops.  Guess that's day-to-day.
[21:15:27] <benr> AstroTux, what are they?
[21:15:45] <AstroTux> Broadcom Extreme Gigabit
[21:15:55] <AstroTux> Asus P5W DH Deluxe on-board NICs
[21:16:05] <benr> if memory servers, that should work via bnx.
[21:16:12] <AstroTux> Hmm...
[21:16:16] <benr> might require a tweek to be recognized as such.
[21:16:27] <AstroTux> According to the hardware tool, they're not recognized?
[21:16:33] <AstroTux> OK
[21:16:49] <AstroTux> I saw that package was installed
[21:17:07] <benr> ya, in cases like these the problem is commonly that the driver doesn't recognize the PCI ID of the device...
[21:17:21] <benr> so you end up needing to get a new release/patch that just inserts the 2 lines. ;)
[21:17:26] <AstroTux> OK...
[21:17:39] <surgex> driver requires solaris 5.9 or 5.10
[21:17:41] <benr> I'm tied up, but I'm sure someone else can walk you through it.
[21:17:43] <AstroTux> Can it be edited directly?
[21:17:49] <surgex> i take it this wont work on opensolaris
[21:17:53] * benr runs off for a bit.
[21:18:12] <ceri> surgex It should work fine, so long as it conforms to the driver standards
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[21:18:29] <surgex> well thats what error it spit out
[21:18:35] <surgex> when i tried to install it
[21:18:37] <surgex> :|
[21:18:58] <ceri> surgex, sure.  but if you can get it past that point, it will likely work fine.
[21:19:07] <surgex> :o and how do i do that
[21:19:14] <surgex> is there a force option?
[21:19:29] <surgex> ill fool with it
[21:19:32] <surgex> thanks
[21:19:38] <ceri> surgex depends on how the check is done.
[21:19:54] <surgex> yeah i figured
[21:20:13] <ceri> surgex you can explode the package file with the pkgtrans command, then you can poke around easier
[21:21:54] <surgex> thanks man
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[21:41:36] <surgex> ceri can i msg you?
[21:41:42] <ceri> sure
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[21:44:07] <RElling1> ceri: you can always spoof the OS release
[21:44:34] <RElling1> ... kinda like spoofing hostids
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[21:45:05] <ceri> RElling1, absolutely.  Question is what it's doing to check
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[22:00:49] <surgex> sweet!
[22:00:53] <surgex> i got it to load!!
[22:01:11] <myrkraverk> is there no greek locale in snv? (am currently running snv 77)
[22:01:21] <myrkraverk> I did not find any on my system (dunno if I was looking for the right thing though)
[22:01:29] <e^ipi> there is if you installed it
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[22:04:42] <surgex> okay so is there a logical volume manager in solaris?  a gui?
[22:05:03] <jbk> there's better
[22:05:05] <jbk> zfs
[22:05:17] <surgex> :)
[22:05:29] <surgex> is there a gui for it or all command line?
[22:05:40] <jbk> there's a webmin module iirc
[22:05:47] <surgex> hopefully by today i can set up an iscsi target
[22:05:53] <surgex> with the fibre channel storage
[22:06:10] <jamesd> yes there is a gui, but on the otherhand.. gui's actually slow down real  work once you get past a few filesystems.
[22:06:10] <surgex> cool
[22:06:57] <myrkraverk> that is, I find no 8859-7 locale on my system; is it possible to get one somewhere?
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[22:11:59] <myrkraverk> can any of you test for the presence of 8859-7 in /usr/lib/locale? (on something later than snv 77)
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[22:13:44] <alanc> myrkraverk: locale -a | grep GR on my nv_100 sparc machine returns:
[22:13:48] <alanc> el_GR
[22:13:48] <alanc> el_GR.ISO8859-7
[22:13:48] <alanc> el_GR.ISO8859-7@euro
[22:13:48] <alanc> el_GR.UTF-8
[22:14:33] <alanc> but I chose "install all locales" when i first installed this machine with s10, and have upgraded it many times since
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[22:18:36] <AstroTux> Can I mount NTFS file systems from the LiveCD?
[22:19:25] <AstroTux> mount /dev/hda0 /home/somemountpoint ?
[22:19:51] <AstroTux> Do U3 memory sticks work?
[22:20:18] <jbit> pretty sure /dev/hda* won't exist on any solaris machine
[22:20:35] <AstroTux>  /dev/sda* ?
[22:20:50] <jbit> these are all linux device names
[22:20:55] <AstroTux> HMm.......
[22:21:21] <jbit> you probably want /dev/rdsk/c0t0d0p0
[22:21:21] <Auralis_> and no, there is no ntfs driver included
[22:21:22] <jbit> or so
[22:21:38] <AstroTux> I need to install NIC drivers to get the LiveCD to work online
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[22:22:45] <AstroTux> I have 3 partitions on my drive - can I safely install to the 3rd partition and dual-boot Vista, without killing the other partitions?
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[22:23:26] <AstroTux> My aim tonight is to test openSolaris, make sure I can get on with ot, before moving over to it
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[22:23:47] <AstroTux> I like the fact this LiveCD is the base OS adn nothing else
[22:24:21] <jbit> it took me about a week til i "got" how opensolaris worked. at first i disliked it since it was different, but after a few days you understand why it's that way and prefer it
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[22:24:37] <AstroTux> I'm hoping! :)
[22:25:01] <AstroTux> My XP died unexpectedly (graphics driver) and Vista is buggy as hell despite SP1
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[22:25:25] <jbit> we find vista is very stable
[22:25:33] <AstroTux> Oh, it's stable...
[22:25:46] <AstroTux> Just buggy :)
[22:26:38] <jbit> and yes, you should be able to install opensolaris to a normal partition and have it not interfiere with otherOS'
[22:26:45] <AstroTux> My ultimate aim is to develop for Solaris
[22:26:57] <jbit> but it will install its own grub and i don't think it will automatically add other operating systems to the grub menu
[22:26:57] <AstroTux> OK
[22:27:04] <AstroTux> OK
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[22:28:08] <AstroTux> If I used the Vista DVD to restore the boot sector, is it a big job to fix GRUB afterwards?
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[22:30:31] <jbit> AstroTux: run solaris livcd, import/mount rpool, run "update_grub", export rpool
[22:30:35] <jbit> not that hard
[22:31:00] <surgex> no webconsole in opensolaris
[22:31:00] <surgex> =[
[22:31:19] <AstroTux> import ??
[22:31:50] <surgex> updating grub is easy
[22:31:53] <jbit> AstroTux: zfs managment
[22:31:57] <AstroTux> OK
[22:32:12] <doof> does someone use wine on opensolaris ?
[22:32:29] <surgex> how can i tell if my fc storage is working?
[22:32:29] <AstroTux> MY only prob is that I need to keep rebooting this system to get info :(
[22:32:34] <jbit> doof: i used to
[22:33:03] <doof> jbit: do you find package or you compile with sfe ?
[22:33:12] <jbit> i compiled by hand
[22:33:32] <jbit> i did find packages but they were ancient (<1.0.x)
[22:34:03] <doof> i find 1.1.2 but it segfault
[22:34:37] <jbit> i had issues with it sending x bad commands htough
[22:35:02] <jbit> i have no idea if it was related to how i built it, opensolaris, or just random wine buggines
[22:36:03] <jbit> compiling wasn't too bad, but i didn't spend time finding out how to make a proper package out of it, and just installed to /opt/wine
[22:37:09] <oxygene> I built wine 1.1.7 recently. no patches required
[22:37:36] <jbit> indeed when i built i just built from the official wine tar ball
[22:38:13] <doof> i want to try wow if it work under wine on opensolaris
[22:38:37] <jbit> dont see why it wouldnt, assuming you have openGL setup correctly
[22:39:17] <doof> how long to compile all wine ?
[22:39:48] <jbit> depends on your hardware of course, but i think it was under 10 minutes on my dualcore amd
[22:43:04] <AstroTux> jbit: nice!
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[22:44:07] <AstroTux> One of the headaches I had with other Linux distros was solving dependencoes - how is it under openSolaris?
[22:44:16] <Auralis_> on opensolaris.org in the gaming discussion is a thread about how to get wow working
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[22:45:00] <oxygene> AstroTux: depends on the packaging system you use. and what you understand as "solving dependencies"
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[22:45:27] <AstroTux> e.g. finding out what a program requires, and getting the required packages manually
[22:46:41] <AstroTux> I was trying to create a set of apps/packages that I could throw onto a DVD in case I needed to ever re-install for some reason - quicker than downloading all the time
[22:47:14] <AstroTux> Eventually I'd just mirror the install, but it was for learning purposes
[22:48:05] <jbit> ipkg is nice, never had any issues with it otehr than finding out wtf sun call things ;P
[22:49:09] <Auralis_> ipkg needs the sfe as binarie repositiy
[22:49:11] <jbit> "oh, so i want SUNWapach.. okay then...."
[22:52:04] <AstroTux> jbit: hehe
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[22:58:23] <AstroTux> Wish me luck! XD
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[23:00:41] <CIA-58> Louis Tsien <Louis.Tsien at Sun dot COM>: 6618751 Include memboard in T5440 FBR/FBU diagnosis, 6650181 cpumemDE handling of the ereport dsc and dsu with the new vf dram-ear format, 6754532 mem_unusable() fails to nv_alloc topo return value, 6712823 SPARC-Enterprise-T2000 topo map should use motherboard enumerator
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[23:21:46] <delphinen> hi guys
[23:22:23] <delphinen> I need help with OpenSolaris
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[23:25:24] <bda> delphinen: Ask your question(s)?
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