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[01:06:07] <timtux> crap, the package manager seems to have locked up, have been "Updating SUNWzsh" for 25 mins now.
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[01:08:54] <timtux> how to upgrade manually?
[01:08:56] <timtux> (console)
[01:09:10] <timtux> skip the gui
[01:09:11] <timtux> :>
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[01:15:01] <stevel> pfexec pkg image-update
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[01:59:53] <jbk> evening
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[02:02:09] * jbk downloads sxce 101 and hopes it's actually usable
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[02:13:06] <_setuid_H> ***jbk:  It's pretty usable
[02:13:15] <_setuid_H> jbk: for me it's a morning
[02:13:39] <_setuid_H> damn I have to wake up after 3:45 hours
[02:13:40] <_setuid_H> damn
[02:13:42] <_setuid_H> :-)
[02:13:44] <_setuid_H> bye guys
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[02:15:48] <jbk> well since at least b98
[02:15:59] <jbk> it's like i'm running on a machine with 256mb of ram instead of 1gb
[02:16:07] <jbk> at least in terms of responsiveness
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[02:23:56] <eviljames> pkg image-update will put me to build 101, yes?
[02:24:27] <alanc> not yet
[02:25:04] <eviljames> alanc: Hey, remember last night when I was whining about a dma error that would forcibly reboot my system under 99?  According to the changelog of 101 it's already fixed.
[02:25:05] <alanc> (which is why /topic still says "IPS 99" - the build 100 & 101 packages aren't in the IPS repo yet)
[02:25:07] <eviljames> Hence why I was asking.
[02:25:16] <eviljames> Ahh, thanks for the tip!
[02:25:44] <LeftyBSD> I wonder if 101 has fixes for e1000g drivers
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[02:26:56] <eviljames> LeftyBSD: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b101/on-changelog-b101.html Don't know if it will help you, though.
[02:27:22] <alanc> the hostid project in nv_100 required changes to happen on install/upgrade, so IPS had to be updated for those
[02:27:46] <eviljames> alanc: Any chance an iso will be issued before 2008.11?
[02:27:48] <alanc> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/history/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/io/e1000g/ shows some changes in September, such as:
[02:27:58] <alanc> 6666998 Add support for ICH10 in e1000g driver
[02:27:58] <alanc> 6709230 Requesting driver support in e1000g for new Intel(R) single port MAC/PHY NIC
[02:28:27] <alanc> would have to check the ON build schedule to see what build those commit dates correspond to
[02:29:03] <alanc> eviljames: I would say odds are greater than 95% that we'll put out some RC iso's for testing before the final release, like we did last time
[02:29:55] <nachox> wow, i didnt know solaris' consolidations relied on gcc that much, it is a must for almost everyone of them
[02:31:05] <alanc> ON has the whole shadow build mechanism, to make sure everything builds with gcc to enable ports to other platforms and for OpenSolaris before they knew if they could make Sun Studio free
[02:31:27] <nachox> there is also xen which wont compile with ss
[02:31:56] <alanc> X uses gcc for building Xorg & the drivers on x86, since they use gcc-style inline assembly and gcc-style MMX intrinsics that Studio 11 didn't support
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[02:32:20] <alanc> (Studio 12 should handle the asm, but not the MMX bits - may be able to reduce our gcc dependencies soon)
[02:32:46] <alanc> JDS & SFW use gcc for things that just don't build with Studio and no one has taken the effort to port
[02:32:48] <LeftyBSD> alanc: thanks for that link, I'll peruse it shortly
[02:33:18] <alanc> and of course, SFW has to use g++ for building the g++ libraries and such
[02:34:13] <eviljames> Now I have to wonder about benchmarking.  At the moment this seems really sluggish, of course I have no objective way of substantiating that claim...
[02:34:42] <eviljames> Any good tools out there to tell me if my system is significantly underperforming?  (already recognizing that it's a cel 2.0ghz, w/ 1gb ram)
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[02:38:36] <timtux> any current upgrade notes for 2008.05 => current?
[02:38:47] <timtux> Anything that needs special attention?
[02:38:51] <alanc> yes
[02:39:10] <timtux> Any wikipage or something?
[02:39:16] <alanc> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/image-update/
[02:39:30] <alanc> (had to switch to firefox and find bookmark)
[02:40:46] <timtux> http://pastebin.ca/1239229
[02:40:51] <timtux> alanc: thanks
[02:40:54] <timtux> check the pastebin please
[02:40:55] <timtux> :)
[02:43:15] <nachox> alanc, is it normal for big psarc cases to include a powerpoint like presentation in their case materials?
[02:43:43] <timtux> alanc: nvm
[02:44:52] <alanc> timtux: not an error I'm familiar with, would have to mail it to pkg-discuss or see if anyone's around in #pkg5
[02:45:04] <jamesd> nachox, no they must be done in Open office
[02:45:33] <alanc> nachox: not unusual - teams are given leeway to present their materials in the way they think best gets the info across
[02:46:00] <alanc> (and I assumed "powerpoint like" == "staroffice impress or openoffice impress or pdf slides")
[02:46:39] <alanc> pdf is actually preferred - more people have pdf viewers than the right star or open office version installed
[02:47:22] <nachox> it was a pdf, a presentation of the future, dated november 5th from gdamore :)
[02:47:55] <coffman> fucking time travel
[02:48:23] <alanc> ooh, did it cover what the stock price was going to be after the quarterly announcement on Thursday?   wondering if it will be a trick or a treat...
[02:49:31] <nachox> nah, just boomer, the open sound system integration project
[02:49:33] <alanc> though either way I'm buying SUNW^H^H^H^HJAVA on friday, since that's our regularly scheduled employee stock plan buy day
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[02:51:44] <nachox> the what?
[02:53:35] <alanc> we can have money taken out of our paychecks, and twice a year they buy sun stock with it and give it to us
[02:53:46] <alanc> pretty standard at tech companies
[02:54:18] <alanc> just happens that this cycle falls on the day after the quarterly earnings announcement
[02:55:00] <nachox> but you can chose not to do that, right?
[02:55:11] <jamesd> is it against the law for sun to say its sales are going to suck so that the stock tanks so sun can buy all its own stock, if the sales are really going to suck?
[02:55:43] <alanc> nachox: absolutely - the default amount is 0% - you have to opt-in to it
[02:56:00] <jbk> so does that mean we should expect a snide artice on the register soon? :)
[02:56:06] <qiyong> modinfo displays installed mods, not necessarily running/loaded mods?
[02:57:16] <alanc> http://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/employee_stock_purchase_plans_turbotax/article explains it if you really want to know more
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[02:58:20] <nachox> only loaded modules
[02:58:52] <alanc> jbk: snider than yesterday's reg piece on netapp winning this round of ZFS lawsuit blogs?
[02:59:10] <nachox> that was... odd
[02:59:16] <qiyong> nachox: but what about modinfo -c ?
[02:59:24] <alanc> (hmm, is snider a word?  or is it just confusing me because it's my in-laws name?)
[03:00:26] <jbk> i didn't see that one -- i saw one where they basically just parroted what's his name's blog entry accusing sun of stalling
[03:01:33] <alanc> probably the same one, comparing Sun's lawyer blog to Netapp's VP blog, and agreeing with netapp's guy that they must be winning because Sun is "stalling" by trying to get Netapp's patents invalidated instead of just fighting in court
[03:01:50] <jbk> yeah i saw that
[03:03:21] <nachox> i'm guessing sun has plenty patents to sue netapp with in turn...
[03:04:17] <jbk> basically netapp's pretty much lost every major decision so far
[03:04:51] <jbk> and the whole 'hurry up' is trying to pull what happened w/ the RIM lawsuit
[03:05:31] <alanc> Sun already countersued with a list of patents
[03:05:42] <jbk> where royalties were forced to be paid to patents that were later ruled invalid because the judge wouldn't wait for the patent office's reexamination
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[03:06:22] <alanc> since Sun you know, sort of invented this "NFS" thingy that NetApp built their business on...
[03:06:57] <blahee> heh. i am about to compare netapp against zfs pretty soon myself i i got my F840 (NetApp) moday
[03:06:59] <nachox> it would be really funny if sun won both the zfs related case and the rest too, hehe
[03:07:22] <jbk> blahee: remember that the netapps have nvram
[03:07:44] <jbk> so unless you have some ssds, that'll probably give it an advantage for writes
[03:07:49] <blahee> jbk: that is the problem. my battery is dying and i need to get new one when shops open
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[03:08:31] <blahee> jbk: and the F840 is 733Mhz PIII -> it can't even handle single 1Gbit properly
[03:09:08] <alanc> I was thinking F840 sounded like an older model...not quite as old as their alpha systems though...
[03:09:40] <blahee> F840 is model. That model has dual PIII wintel mobo in it (all netapp is PC-hardware these days)
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[03:10:31] <blahee> three PCI-busses (3x32bit, 4x64bit and 4x64bit slots)
[03:11:23] <blahee> there is "clever" protection in OpenFirmware in it -> it's detecting CPU MHz and refuses to boot with faster than allowed speed :/
[03:12:14] <blahee> (if it's not do that, it would already running with pair of 1Ghz PIII)
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[03:16:23] <benley> anyone know if I can add an account that's only allowed to access certain cifs shares, and has no other permissions on a system?
[03:16:44] <benley> should I just add it like a normal account in /etc/passwd and whatnot, and set its shell to /bin/false?
[03:17:09] <nachox> there is one way to know, try it :)
[03:17:22] <benley> well I know adding it as a normal account with a bogus shell will work
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[03:17:31] <benley> but if there's something even lighter weight to do, I'd try that :)
[03:19:59] * benley just goes with the traditional minimal account
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[04:03:40] <klg> hi, i'm facing issues mentioned on this thread http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=268456
[04:04:17] <klg> any idea how to recover the system from the point what the last guy in the thread is facing, b'cas i had faced the same issue
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[04:57:09] <klg> any ideas how can i recover the system which is not booting because of boot-archive issue
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[04:59:04] <CIA-58> Colin Yi <Colin.Yi at Sun dot COM>: 6693202 ata_get_capacity function incorrectly gets LBA48 drive size+breaks compatibility
[04:59:05] <CIA-58> bo zhou - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Bo.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: 6763308 Word "interruptible" misspelled as "interruptable" in menu_analyze.c
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[05:59:02] <CIA-58> George Wilson <George.Wilson at Sun dot COM>: 6740164 zpool attach can create an illegal root pool
[06:02:04] <_mary_kate_> hmm, wonder if that will stop people attaching whole disks to a root pool
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[07:06:15] <freetown> cor...the new boot env opensolaris-1 takes up after doing an image-update? 26G?!?
[07:06:43] <freetown> what does image-update do? clone ROOT?
[07:07:01] <SunTzuTech> at least it's booting.  99 and 101 panic'd on booting after image-updating...
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[07:07:31] <freetown> 99? really? I am running 99...
[07:07:41] * freetown getting worried
[07:07:59] <_mary_kate_> if you're running it at the moment, it's probably not panicking on boot for you
[07:08:02] <SunTzuTech> i updated from 95 to 99, tells me the disk is unbootable.... despite loading the kernel...
[07:08:03] <freetown> SunTzuTech, i did not know 101 was out?
[07:08:53] <SunTzuTech> freetown: I'm thinking sxce.... I forgot to check if sos was at 101
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[07:09:20] <freetown> _mary_kate_, yes but...if the b99 boot env takes up 26G....I ain't going to be able to image-update anymore.
[07:09:44] <comay> SunTzuTech, did you happen to upgrade your ZFS pool version earlier?
[07:10:15] <SunTzuTech> I think I tried that after some comments to my posting in osol-help
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[07:11:36] <SunTzuTech> why, does upgrading my zpool version botch the boot sequence?
[07:12:40] <freetown> man, i am going to have to get 500GB disks for system disks if that is what image-update is going to do
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[07:13:33] <dark_matter> so does anyone know why I am not seeing sxce b101 for x86??
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[07:13:59] <freetown> it ran away
[07:14:00] <dark_matter> on...  https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/
[07:14:13] <dark_matter> funny.
[07:14:16] <comay> SunTzuTech, there's a capabilities file that goes with GRUB and there was a bug where it didn't get updated for several ZFS pool versions
[07:14:28] <dark_matter> ??
[07:14:42] <comay> as a result, i believe you can end up in the situation that you're in if you upgrade your pool version
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[07:14:58] <freetown> dark_matter, SunTzuTech cannot boot up anymore after upgrading from b95 to b99
[07:15:00] <Triskelios> freetown: a fresh install of snv_95 updated to snv_99 is < 6G for me..
[07:15:05] * comay has learned upgrading your pool version isn't something to do casually
[07:15:22] <SunTzuTech> comay: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=79802&tstart=80
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[07:15:40] * freetown has learned that Indy has many hidden pitfalls
[07:15:45] <Doc> http://realdanlyons.com/blog/2008/10/21/sun-to-change-ticker-symbol-again-now-will-be-called-oops/
[07:16:00] <SunTzuTech> Doc: LOL
[07:16:24] <freetown> Triskelios, well...my  /rpool/ROOT is 26GB. I guess yours is much smaller?
[07:16:36] <comay> SunTzuTech, if you boot a newer live CD (say build 99 based), you should be able to import your pool and then run /mnt/boot/solaris/bin/update_grub -R /mnt
[07:17:03] <dark_matter> I find it more interesting that the SPARC version of B101 is available on the web site, but not X86.
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[07:17:36] <Triskelios> dark_matter: maybe they had to respin?
[07:17:40] <Doc> didn't you hear? Sun is dropping x86 support
[07:18:08] <dark_matter> you guys are a real laugh. nice to know that reasonable answers are forth coming.
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[07:18:24] <freetown> Doc, please...the cheering you generated is deafening
[07:18:35] <Doc> http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/01/08/020108hnsun.html
[07:18:44] <Doc> "SUN MICROSYSTEMS TUESDAY said it will not support chips from Intel with the release of its Solaris ..."
[07:19:02] <SunTzuTech> comay: I'll see about downloading a new image
[07:19:20] <dark_matter> dated 1/2002.
[07:19:29] <Doc> yeah, well.. :)
[07:19:32] <dark_matter> yes I remember that as well.
[07:20:12] <SunTzuTech> Doc: lol.  MLP is the Sarah Palin of the IT industry.
[07:21:44] <dark_matter> first they slipped 100 then said no wait for 101 now they screwed up that as well..., stock is at $4.68 there is a big surprise.
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[07:31:48] <dark_matter> well if your interested this problem, B101 downloading, is apparently known but not resolved
[07:32:02] <dark_matter> see -> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=299564
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[07:33:05] <Doc> $4.68?  must be time for another reverse-split!
[07:33:19] <dark_matter> I am trying the single image b101 X86 download page without a lot of luck.
[07:33:34] <dark_matter> busy and hanging.
[07:34:08] <dark_matter> WRT: reverse split, why? it will just be back to that price in a couple of weeks.
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[07:41:57] <freetown> okay...found the reason for my humongous disk usage
[07:42:22] <dark_matter> and?
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[07:43:28] <freetown> i mirrored centos 5.2 repositories under /usr/apache...and since that is part of the / filesystem...it gets cloned when you make a new boot env.
[07:44:02] <dark_matter> oh well, at least you found the problem.
[07:44:04] <freetown> i guess i just go and delete the stuff from the old boot env, move this stuff elsewhere and be happy as a carp in water
[07:44:40] * freetown makes a note. Do not put anything not system related in /
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[07:45:32] <freetown> too easy to forget things nowadays :(
[07:45:32] <mshadle> anyone have issues with systems like an xbox mounting a nevada CIFS-based service - i can load 2.4 and 2.6 gig .iso files, but not larger
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[07:45:56] <mshadle> works fine off linux smb
[07:46:07] <mshadle> so im wondering if it's some tuning on the solaris cifs side
[07:46:18] <dark_matter> is your solaris host 64 bit??
[07:46:22] <mshadle> yes
[07:46:22] * freetown makes note not to put stuff in /opt too. that get's cloned as well
[07:46:56] <mshadle> the files have no problem being copied and such. just seems like some sort of network/buffers issues maybe
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[07:49:32] <dark_matter> it might be worth trying another system with a CIFS client if possible.
[07:49:47] <freetown> like a Mac
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[07:54:20] <mshadle> well XP seems to be okay.
[07:55:04] <mshadle> i used to have issues copying files over samba from xp <-> linux
[07:55:32] <freetown> try smbclient then...maybe it is a linux cifs/smbfs client issue
[07:55:37] <dark_matter> XP as a client to the CIFS/Solaris server?
[07:55:37] <mshadle> well no -
[07:56:07] <mshadle> i used to have issues with xp mounting linux over samba, and large files. but with opensolaris, xp <-> cifs/opensolaris has been fine
[07:56:15] <mshadle> but now the xbox <-> solaris has an issue
[07:56:51] <dark_matter> then I would suggest/suspect that the problem isn't the OpenSolaris server.
[07:57:11] <mshadle> xbox <-> linux is fine with the same file
[07:57:37] <trochej> Coffee
[07:57:39] <mshadle> client works with A, not with B. client is common denominator ..
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[07:59:01] <CIA-58> lucy wang - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <xiuyan.wang at Sun dot COM>: 6764891 usr/src/uts/common/io/ntxn/message.h should be removed.
[07:59:12] <dark_matter> have you tried snooping packets?
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[08:02:12] <mshadle> no, what's a good utility to do that on solaris
[08:02:21] <mshadle> also is there any way to turn on debugging to a samba/cifs log?
[08:02:35] <mshadle>  /var/samba/log/ is empty
[08:03:56] <freetown> mshadle, edit smb.conf in /etc/sfw?
[08:04:23] <freetown> mshadle, are you using samba on opensolaris or the kernel cifs server?
[08:04:29] <mshadle> kernel cifs
[08:04:37] <freetown> mshadle, nevermind
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[08:04:58] <mshadle> i thought it owuld be better. but it's kind of useless if i cant open isos off of it
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[08:05:07] <mshadle> how can i enable the smb.conf based server?
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[08:06:08] <dark_matter> Solairs has a built in snoop comand, it should be in usr/sbin/snoop
[08:06:47] <freetown> mshadle, fix up /etc/sfw/smb.conf and turn the service on?
[08:06:55] <dark_matter> see -> http://www.softpanorama.org/Net/Network_security/Sniffers/snoop.shtml
[08:07:01] <mshadle> http://baitisj.blogspot.com/2008/07/quick-notes-on-enabling-samba-in.html
[08:07:11] <mshadle> it looks like i need to instlal the package?
[08:07:14] <mshadle> i have an smb.conf-exmaple
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[08:08:13] <freetown> mshadle, svcs -a|grep samba
[08:08:23] <freetown> if you see a samba service...you have it
[08:08:43] <mshadle> yeha, i got it, i need to enable cups now
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[08:16:38] <IvanR_> SunTzuTech: I had that same error reading disk label, had to disable ide dma until the bug is fixes ( I think in 101 ).
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[08:18:52] <jklyekai> hello everyone. I want to optimise my boot_archive  in my distribution.its size is up to 120M .but  it's only 40M in the ncp1.0.1.iso .can somewone give me some suggestion?
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[08:21:49] <freetown> i guess it takes a while before zfs updates its usage counters?
[08:22:28] <oxygene> freetown: zfs buffers its writes, and I think the usage counters report the actual usage on disk
[08:23:01] <IvanR_> Or maybe the old data is still referenced in some snapshots.
[08:23:14] <freetown> oxygene, well, i've moved out 14G but the numbers...snapshots? hmm
[08:23:57] <qiyong> is there some package on SXCE includes some text mode browser?
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[08:25:51] <freetown> no snapshots of anything on rpool
[08:26:00] <freetown> unless beadm will make one...
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[08:27:18] <Suhail> What's the best to execute a binary and have it run in the background so when I logout of my shell it's still running
[08:27:19] <IvanR_> Yes, beadm will makes snapshots.  Also the zfs command was changed recently to not show snapshots by default.
[08:27:50] <IvanR_> "beadm list -a" will show the snapshots known to beadm.
[08:28:32] <CosmicDJ> Suhail: man nohup; man $0
[08:28:42] <IvanR_> qiyong: SUNWlinks package installs /usr/bin/links, and SFWlynx on the companion cd installs /opt/sfw/bin/lynx
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[08:30:18] <freetown> ouch. Now how do I get zf s to release that space...blow the snapshot away?
[08:31:01] <freetown> i have a opensolaris-1@opensolaris-1 snapshot...
[08:31:04] <Suhail> CosmicDJ: just trying to run an erlang listening server so hopefully this is right
[08:31:58] <qiyong> IvanR_: thanks, i find it
[08:32:13] <mshadle> okay i have normal smb running now. let's see if this works better :)
[08:32:18] <qiyong> IvanR_: SXCE is a single DVD
[08:32:59] <Suhail> CosmicDJ: can you still kill a process that is run by nohup?
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[08:47:26] <Suhail> any ideas why this might fail on opensolaris only: http://pastie.org/302981
[08:47:35] <mshadle> Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost:631 - No such file or directory
[08:47:36] <mshadle> gr
[08:47:53] <mshadle> [root@nas01 sfw]# lsof -i tcp:631
[08:47:53] <mshadle> COMMAND  PID USER   FD   TYPE             DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
[08:47:53] <mshadle> cupsd   1841 root    2u  IPv4 0xffffff01e4913b40      0t0  TCP localhost:631 (UknownState_-359969560)
[08:47:54] <mshadle> :/
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[08:50:45] <freetown> cor...how does an empty /opt take up 1GB of space?
[08:50:56] <pumpkin> by not being empty? :P
[08:51:44] <freetown> pumpkin, :D. bad ls, bad ls. You should not lie.
[08:52:14] <pumpkin> maybe there's a very big dot in there?
[08:52:54] <freetown> yup...2 bytes
[08:54:15] <freetown> man....old boot env is dependent on the new one's snapshot...great...how am i supposed to free the space. ain't dealt with ZFS all that long.
[08:54:26] <_mary_kate_> freetown: you need to 'zfs promote' the newer clone
[08:54:31] <_mary_kate_> that reverses the dependency
[08:54:42] <IvanR_> Suhail: ./src/protocol/TProtocol.h:34:4: #error "Cannot determine endianness"
[08:55:14] <Suhail> IvanR_: gah, I wish I kenw how to fix it =(
[08:55:15] <freetown> _mary_kate_, which would that be? /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-1 or /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-1@opensolaris-1?
[08:55:36] <freetown> newer clone.../rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-1?
[08:56:05] <freetown> that is what is mounted as root at the moment
[08:56:06] <_mary_kate_> freetown: if you want to destroy the A fs, but you can't because the B fs is a clone of it, run 'zfs promote B', then 'zfs destroy A' will work
[08:56:14] <CosmicDJ> Suhail: kill -9 can kill anything ;)
[08:57:16] <_mary_kate_> freetown: zfs clones are copy-on-write, which means creating a clone (which is how beadm/lucreate make new environments) don't use any space - they just refer to space in the old filesystem.  that's why you can't delete the old filesystem
[08:57:37] <freetown> _mary_kate_, okay...so if /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris is dependent on /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-1 at opensolaris-1 dot ..that makes /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris a clone of /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-1@opensolaris-1?
[08:57:56] <_mary_kate_> freetown: most likely, yes (it could be a different snapshot, but it would be that filesystem)
[08:58:43] <freetown> _mary_kate_, when i tried to destroy /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-1@opensolaris-1, it told me it could not because /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris was depending on it
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[08:59:00] <_mary_kate_> freetown: yes.  so you need to reverse that dependency using zfs promote
[08:59:06] <freetown> so i just have to promote /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris in this case?
[08:59:08] <_mary_kate_> zfs promote rpool/ROOT/opensolaris
[08:59:19] <_mary_kate_> that will make /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-1 depend on /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-1@opensolaris
[08:59:57] <freetown> ...so my current root will then depend on the snapshot i want to destroy?
[09:00:25] <_mary_kate_> what is your current root?  and what do you want to destroy?
[09:01:46] <freetown>  /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-1 is my current root. I have just moved out 14G worth of data out. But zfs list shoulds disk usage is not reflecting that and apparently /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-1@opensolaris-1 is holding on to the differences.
[09:02:13] <_mary_kate_> so you want to destroy /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris?
[09:02:55] <freetown> nope. That particular image does not seem to reference the stuff i moved out....or so i think anyway
[09:03:14] <freetown> has /rpool/ROOT/opensolaris become a snapshot now?
[09:03:17] <_mary_kate_> then what do you want to destroy?
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[09:03:46] <freetown> i just want to do whatever is needed to free up the 14G of space that i have moved to another pool.
[09:03:56] <_mary_kate_> another pool or another filesystem?
[09:04:18] <freetown> another pool that is on another set of disks
[09:05:28] <freetown> these snapshots seem to be holding on to those files for deal life because that is what they are supposed to do. How do get rid of them? Go into snapshot and delete from snapshot?
[09:08:19] <mshadle> im trying to submit a bug for the in-kernel cifs server but i can't find the right category - where is it?
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[09:08:39] <freetown> mshadle, so...samba worked for you?
[09:09:12] <mshadle> yeah - works like a charm. in-kernel doesn't :/
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[09:09:17] <mshadle> like, for large files only
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[09:11:16] <mshadle> it sucks, it still seems kinda hard to use opensolaris
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[09:12:04] <freetown> mshadle, you'd say the same thing for freebsd, openbsd or even another linux distro :P
[09:12:17] <mshadle> not really. some have easier changelogs, etc.
[09:12:35] <mshadle> okay so the bug db looks like it used to have a category kernel -> cifs
[09:12:38] <freetown> haha, it's the patch mentality
[09:12:39] <mshadle> but it's no longer available?
[09:13:01] <mshadle> well yes, i would like to know what bugs/has changed in cifs since b98, perhaps this has been addressed since b98
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[09:14:04] <freetown> hmm...beadm automatically creates snapshots too...i guess i better read up on this tool
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[09:14:28] <freetown> cya all
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[09:14:41] <CosmicDJ> mshadle: then read the changelog(s)
[09:16:14] <mshadle> is there one for each module
[09:16:18] <mshadle> as in kernel:cifs
[09:16:55] <CosmicDJ> nope
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[09:19:24] <mist> hi - a kernel build takes over an hour on my system, an incremental build is 8 minutes. is this the way it is supposed to be? am i doing something wrong? can i use gcc instead of sun studio to speed up build time?
[09:19:32] <mshadle> well then, that's wha ti'm talking about )
[09:20:25] <CosmicDJ> mshadle: you want changelogs splitted by (not really existing) modules?
[09:20:48] <CosmicDJ> mist: tried turning off shadow compiling?
[09:20:52] <e^ipi> mist: and slow down run time?
[09:21:10] <e^ipi> screw gcc. anyways, yes... building ON takes a while
[09:21:17] <mist> CosmicDJ: shadow compiling? how?
[09:21:25] <e^ipi> CW_NO_SHADOW
[09:21:32] <mist> e^ipi: i don't care about runtime speed, i want to try stuff :-)
[09:21:47] <mist> CW_NO_SHADOW? is that an env. var.?
[09:21:52] <e^ipi> yes
[09:22:01] <e^ipi> it turns off the gcc shadow compile
[09:22:33] <e^ipi> depending what you're doing, after nightly sets things up you can just build within the tree
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[09:22:55] <e^ipi> just go to the directory containing the bits you want and make there
[09:23:05] <e^ipi> oh, after bldenv to set up the evironment
[09:23:11] <mshadle> cosmicdj: well it seems like kernel:cifs is a 'module' of sorts. like everything is split into modules...
[09:23:51] <trochej> cofee
[09:24:37] <mshadle> weird, searching shows a kernel -> cifs, but submitting does not
[09:25:11] <mist> e^ipi: thanks. i'm doing dmake all in /usr/src/uts... i tried building in subdirectories of uts (i86pc etc.), but builds never succeeded there
[09:25:27] <e^ipi> nah, they wouldn't
[09:25:36] <mist> the readme says they should :D
[09:25:46] <e^ipi> doesn't matter, it doesn't try to build the sparc kernel on x86 anyways
[09:25:56] <mshadle> i reported a bug and i can't find it now. hah
[09:25:58] <e^ipi> some of the uts subdirs will work though
[09:25:59] <mist> but it builds x86_64 and i386 at the same time, doesn't it?
[09:26:05] <e^ipi> yes
[09:26:12] <e^ipi> there's no way to turn that off, nor should there be
[09:26:13] <mist> can i make it build x86_64 only?
[09:26:16] <e^ipi> no
[09:26:31] <mist> should there be? :-) i'm interested in the reasoning!
[09:27:18] <e^ipi> honestly, i think we ought to jettison 32 bit support altogether
[09:27:30] <mist> i agree :-)
[09:27:47] <mshadle> is there some sort of moderation for the bugs db
[09:27:54] <e^ipi> mshadle: yes
[09:28:17] <mshadle> ah. well damnit i wanted to update this, i forgot something.
[09:28:42] <e^ipi> you can't update bugs
[09:28:46] <CosmicDJ> and lock out millions of x86 peecees; this will sure help spreading (open)solaris
[09:28:48] <e^ipi> you need a sun person to do it for you
[09:28:55] <mshadle> well make a comment or something?
[09:28:57] <mshadle> i mean
[09:29:07] <mshadle> 32/64bit should just be transparent by now!
[09:29:30] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: the resource footprint of the OS is such that any machines that can satisfy it is already 64-bit
[09:29:49] <hrist> heh
[09:29:53] <e^ipi> any change will leave some users behind, and i don't see dropping 32 bit support as leaving behind any that really matter
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[09:30:11] <e^ipi> mshadle: no, you cannot add comments to bugs except by talking someone at sun in to doing it for you
[09:30:36] <e^ipi> and 32/64 /is/ transparent on solaris anyways
[09:30:56] <CosmicDJ> only in one direction ;)
[09:31:04] <mshadle> hrm
[09:31:11] <mshadle> luckily i know some sun people
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[09:31:22] <mshadle> they probably dont like osol though. heh
[09:31:33] <e^ipi> you are in #os
[09:31:38] <e^ipi> there are plenty of sun people
[09:32:25] <mshadle> yeh
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[09:34:16] <mist> e^ipi: dmake seems to be stick in linking again. i doubt this is under 8 minutes now. CW_NO_SHADOW didn't seem to have an effect. "cd usr/src/uts; CW_NO_SHADOW=1 dmake all" is what i did
[09:34:41] <e^ipi> nah, you'd dump it in your environment file
[09:34:49] <mist> oh, bldenv?
[09:34:53] <e^ipi> opensolaris.sh is the one tweaked for non-sun developers
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[09:35:10] <mist> i see!
[09:35:19] <trochej> Coffe
[09:35:19] <e^ipi> yeah, tack the line on to the end of opensolaris.sh, use bldenv, then make whatever you want
[09:35:43] <mist> the OS X kernel compiles in under 3 minutes on this machine, and an incremental build is under 20 seconds :/ i need a fast turnaround time...
[09:35:59] <e^ipi> well tough titties, it a'int going to happen
[09:36:08] <e^ipi> write your code correctly the first time
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[09:36:59] <mist> :(
[09:37:03] <mist> thanks though :-)
[09:37:14] <_mary_kate_> you don't have to do a full ON build to test one component
[09:38:13] <e^ipi> and the kernel only takes me ~ 5 mins to build
[09:38:26] <trochej> I read" you don't have to do a full ON build to test one apartament" :)
[09:39:33] <oxygene> I'm messing around with the build sys - getting incremential build to under 20 secs is a nice goal..
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[09:40:32] <mist> heh, now dmake clean is already working for a minute
[09:40:46] <mist> something else i might be doing wrong here?
[09:41:31] <e^ipi> how do you figure?
[09:41:37] <mist> ?
[09:41:42] <e^ipi> because deleting a bunch of files takes a while?
[09:41:46] <e^ipi> yeah, it does that...
[09:41:59] <mist> both CPUs are at exactly 100%...
[09:42:07] <mist> doesn't seem I/O bound
[09:43:06] <c00p> have you done an iostat ? or zpool iostat
[09:43:46] <mist> i'm on UFS. iostat just sits there. :-)
[09:43:55] <c00p> ouch :(
[09:44:14] <mist> do i need more RAM? I have 1.5 GB.
[09:44:24] <mist> and i'm running the 64 bit kernel
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[09:44:40] <mist> ah, iostat wrote something
[09:44:59] <mist> sd1 is 86/3/16
[09:45:07] <mist> (kps/tps/serv)
[09:45:28] <mist> cpu is us=8,sy=5,wt=0,id=87
[09:45:37] <mist> 87% idle? System Monitor disagrees.
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[09:49:06] <quasi> looking at top?
[09:49:25] <quasi> top is pretty useless
[09:50:54] <Macabee> top changes the cpu usage
[09:51:01] <Macabee> so is pointless
[09:51:12] <Macabee> if you think its io based - you could use dtrace to work out what's going on
[09:51:18] <Macabee> that is... after all... what it's for
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[10:14:36] <codestr0m> morning all
[10:16:52] <cypromis> morn codestr0m
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[10:17:51] <codestr0m> cypromis: how's it going for you?
[10:18:09] <cypromis> the usual madness with SUN sales
[10:18:10] <cypromis> ;)
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[10:18:21] <codestr0m> hehe.. well. sales are a good thing
[10:18:23] <cypromis> and some pretty normal work in the open source voice world
[10:18:23] <cypromis> :D
[10:18:23] <codestr0m> ??
[10:18:41] <cypromis> SUN hardware sales accounts for, wait ....
[10:18:48] <cypromis> .001 % of our revenues
[10:18:58] <codestr0m> that's impressive
[10:19:07] <codestr0m> now you just need to sell ?B worth
[10:19:16] <cypromis> hahahaha
[10:19:28] <cypromis> I sold 30 servers last year I think
[10:19:56] <cypromis> most of our customers buy more servers a week than we sell a year
[10:20:16] <fraggeln> does anyone actualy buy sun-hardware now adays? :)
[10:20:27] <quasi> o/
[10:20:38] <cypromis> I mostly deal with telco type customers
[10:20:42] <cypromis> so there the answer is
[10:20:43] <cypromis> YES
[10:20:59] <_mary_kate_> fraggeln: sun's current x86 stuff is very nice, and also pretty cheap
[10:21:18] <cypromis> yep
[10:21:42] <quasi> very efficient compared to the competition
[10:22:10] <cypromis> yah and with all the discount programs
[10:22:19] <cypromis> they are basically doing dumping prices
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[10:25:36] <fraggeln> _mary_kate_: well, I prefer HP over sun if im going the x86-way tbh.
[10:25:48] <cypromis> HP has one big problem
[10:25:59] <fraggeln> cypromis: do tell :)
[10:26:02] <cypromis> or us
[10:26:06] <cypromis> for us that is
[10:26:23] <cypromis> when you order 5 * the same box
[10:26:29] <cypromis> you get 5 different boxes
[10:26:55] <cypromis> since we do voice stuff and it takes about 2 months to adjust to a certain hardware
[10:27:02] <cypromis> that is totaly unacceptable
[10:27:17] <cypromis> besides that we had craploads of issues with the way HP does its PCI-E
[10:27:36] <cypromis> no idea why, but it causes crashes
[10:28:02] <cypromis> and if you deliver a SS7 switch to a customer, he will not be happy with a crash
[10:28:04] <fraggeln> I have never had that problem
[10:28:21] <cypromis> you never tried to run 16 E1 load of voice traffic on it
[10:28:21] <fraggeln> If i order a DL 360G5 with X hardware-spec, i get it :)
[10:28:22] <cypromis> :)
[10:28:59] <fraggeln> and I do like the v440 as well :)
[10:29:04] <fraggeln> I actualy have one at home :)
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[10:33:23] <codestr0m> cypromis: have any opinion on git vs hg?
[10:33:41] <c00p> fraggeln: heaps of people still buy sun hardware - was n a co-lo today ... heaps still around ...
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[10:34:58] <cypromis> codestr0m: Imy knowledge of both is sparse
[10:35:18] <cypromis> I use more git, since more projects I know use git
[10:35:28] <cypromis> actualy opensolaris is the only project I am involved in that uses hg
[10:36:49] <codestr0m> dragonfly looks like it'll use git..
[10:36:51] <codestr0m> perl moved over to it
[10:37:06] <codestr0m> even poor chris mason dropped hg for git cause the lx kernel uses it
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[11:01:42] <digifor_> will virtualbox ever be in IPS?
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[11:05:49] <CosmicDJ> "Computer says no" ;)
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[11:08:35] <ethospir> The last time I downloaded OpenSolaris, it was 4 CDs. Now the download page only lists one CD. What has happened ?
[11:08:57] <ethospir> Does the liveCD pull packages from the net to install ?
[11:09:16] <CosmicDJ> OpenSolaris is now Indiana
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[11:10:38] <CosmicDJ> ethospir: if you want the old opensolaris, look for SXCE
[11:10:47] <ethospir> ok
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[11:15:34] <_coredump_> aloha
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[11:16:26] <ethospir> So Nevada is the currently under-development codebase... and how is Indiana different ? This page: http://blogs.sun.com/weber/entry/solaris_opensolaris_nevada_indiana_sxde says "lots of new features" ?
[11:16:54] <ethospir> Is one a superset of the other or do we have a fork ?
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[11:17:24] <quasi> indiana has nevada as the base, screws it over to make it look like ubuntu and not much else
[11:18:01] <ethospir> Oh :( Thats why people were saying "works just like linux but then deviates a bit to confuse you"
[11:18:34] <quasi> nv is works like solaris
[11:18:49] <_mary_kate_> indiaianananan is basically sxce with ips, and some packages removed
[11:18:54] <ethospir> I shall download Nevada. :) I have very good memories of Solaris.
[11:19:24] <quasi> _mary_kate_: and a messed up PATH
[11:20:03] <_mary_kate_> ethospir: don't get too attached - eventually SXCE will move to IPS
[11:20:11] <ethospir> :p
[11:20:29] <m0zzzy> hi
[11:20:49] <fraggeln> ips?
[11:21:39] <m0zzzy> I am having troubles with SMC when trying to configure TX. It keeps asking me for root passwords, however I am running smc as root on localhost. I don't see this happening with non-TX tools.
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[11:22:27] <_mary_kate_> fraggeln: the new packaging system
[11:23:29] <fraggeln> _mary_kate_: ahh, the pkg-app?
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[11:28:05] <cypromis> yah
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[11:29:12] <quasi> _mary_kate_: the longer it takes before they break sxce with project linux lovefest the better
[11:30:01] <_mary_kate_> i don't really see what ips has to do with linux.  it's quite different from any linux packaging system
[11:33:12] <quasi> it's the closest they could get to apt
[11:35:49] <cypromis> no
[11:35:57] <cypromis> haven't seen zfs interaction in apt-get
[11:36:00] <cypromis> or rollback features
[11:40:09] <_mary_kate_> right, it's really not like apt at all.  unless you're just opposed to anything that can fetch packages from a remote location...
[11:42:13] <quasi> I am
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[11:45:09] <quasi> when that's the only thing you have
[11:45:10] <_mary_kate_> how strange.  i guess you aren't aware that pkgadd can already do that
[11:45:17] <_mary_kate_> do you hate that too? ;)
[11:45:27] <quasi> that's fine
[11:45:57] <oxygene> cypromis: the "screw that, we reinvent it" development method is taken verbatim from the linux camp
[11:46:27] <quasi> the problem with ips is basing the install entirely on network and that you'll get "distro of the day" depending on what's in there when you install
[11:46:58] <oxygene> there's a good indicator that no linux fanboy is in here, btw: to thwart the critique on linux, a fanboy would note that linux (the kernel) has no packages ;)
[11:46:59] <carl-> quasi, cant you force version
[11:47:32] <_mary_kate_> quasi: no you won't.  just produce a list of packages you want - just like you produce a list of patches you want now
[11:47:47] <ethospir> anyway a package manager is a small thing, not so important compared to other features.
[11:48:14] <cypromis> *yawn*
[11:48:19] * cypromis goes back to do some work
[11:48:31] <quasi> more bother and more pain than the usual
[11:48:37] <carl-> it is a big thing if it enables you to easily streamline installations and manage patching in sound ways
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[11:48:55] <carl-> yum list-security etc .. are defninetely good features
[11:49:17] <codestr0m> carl-: as they say.. patches welcome
[11:49:42] <quasi> if you check missing patches for solaris, it'll show you those as well - even pca pretty prints a little list of security patches
[11:50:19] <carl-> and you can also dismiss non securityupdates and so on ??
[11:50:40] <quasi> sure
[11:50:46] <quasi> pca is smart
[11:51:37] <cypromis> pca is a smart hack
[11:52:00] <quasi> sun sells tools that do the same and more
[11:56:46] <oxygene> cypromis: zfs interaction in apt-get? look at nexenta. and they managed to do that without reinventing the wheel
[11:57:12] <cypromis> solebian
[11:57:15] <cypromis> :P
[11:57:36] <oxygene> well, that's what indiana aims for anyway, right?
[11:58:04] <cypromis> does it ?
[11:59:46] <oxygene> the layers-of-indirection non-solution to idempotent action scripts on packages resembles the various layers-of-indirection non-solutions (eg. "alternatives") in debian
[12:01:20] <oxygene> the gnu-as-default stuff smells like not-quite-gnu-but-close debian, too
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[12:24:13] <LuckyLuke> using SXCE99, is it possible to check which UDMA mode the system is using for p-ata disks and/or force one? rosetta doesn't talk about hdparm :D
[12:25:50] <xRaich[o]2x> LuckyLuke: just guessing. but have a look at prtconf. i'm not at my solari box right now
[12:25:55] <trochej> coffee
[12:26:09] <xRaich[o]2x> yes please
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[12:28:18] <LuckyLuke> me too, please :)
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[12:28:55] <CosmicDJ> hot chocolate for me, please :)
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[12:31:52] <phimic> hello all
[12:32:51] <phimic> is the zfs gui webapp now available for opensolaris? i have os 5.11 svn_99 running
[12:34:14] <houst0n-_> The snapshot thing?
[12:34:24] <houst0n-_> I think that'll be in opensolaris 2008.something .. soon
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[12:39:04] <phimic> houst0n-_: no the zfs webgui which solaris express already have
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[12:42:18] <dlg> i want to fail a disk but solaris wont let me
[12:44:35] <CosmicDJ> ... and?
[12:46:25] <dlg> it wont let me
[12:46:34] <dlg> oh wait
[12:46:38] <dlg> SUNWhd might have let me
[12:48:15] <CosmicDJ> try hitting your disk with a sledgehammer (as hard as you can); I'm sure this will make it fail
[12:49:23] <dlg> its half an hours drive away
[12:49:31] <dlg> id like it to fail now instead of in the morning
[12:49:32] <oxygene> then throw the hammer
[12:50:12] <dlg> im a weak weak man
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[12:50:25] <xRaich[o]2x> use the force.... FOCUS!
[12:50:57] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: :)
[12:51:07] <codestr0m> I looked at your blog
[12:51:08] <xRaich[o]2x> hey codestr0m
[12:51:32] <xRaich[o]2x> anything interesting?
[12:51:37] <codestr0m> you put up a clip of Ian..  and it was *not* what I expected
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[12:51:52] <codestr0m> I mean.. head of marketing indeed :P
[12:51:59] <xRaich[o]2x> what did you expect?
[12:52:21] <codestr0m> I dunno.. something a bit more technical
[12:52:37] <codestr0m> I can't say I blame him though
[12:52:48] <xRaich[o]2x> hrhr. i still thik it was kind of interesting ;)
[12:52:52] <xRaich[o]2x> thought
[12:53:12] <xRaich[o]2x> gnna sorry just woke up. been sick the last 2 days
[12:53:21] <codestr0m> eek. that's not good to hear
[12:53:28] <codestr0m> tough winter in germany?
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[12:53:49] <CosmicDJ> it's still autumn IIRC
[12:53:52] <xRaich[o]2x> not really just some nasty stuff flowing around. :P
[12:53:54] <CosmicDJ> rainy all day
[12:54:04] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: you're in eu as well?
[12:54:15] <xRaich[o]2x> everyone around me is sniffing and coughing
[12:54:39] <codestr0m> and I don't care if the leaves haven't fallen off the trees.. It's like 9c sometimes and that == winter :P
[12:54:44] <CosmicDJ> yes/si/oui/ja/...
[12:55:08] <codestr0m> oh... you're missing jepps/da
[12:55:34] <xRaich[o]2x> CosmicDJ is not feature complete yet
[12:56:00] 
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[12:56:44] <CosmicDJ> fell free to extend my list :)
[12:57:28] <codestr0m> yes. I'll get right on the patch for wide redneck swedish character support :P
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[13:00:05] <dmarkey_> how do i enable XDMCP server in 99
[13:00:52] <codestr0m> pfexec gdmsetup ?
[13:01:17] <codestr0m> you'll need to execute gdmsetup (iirc) with root privs and from there hunt for it I think
[13:01:20] <codestr0m> don't quote me though
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[13:02:37] <dmarkey_> oh is dtlogin not default anymore?
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[13:04:12] <oxygene> dmarkey_: not on indiana (no dt*/cde stuff there).. you better prefix the release number with sxce, to avoid confusion
[13:04:48] <oxygene> dmarkey_: I'm not at my solaris box right now, but it should be somewhere in /usr/dt/config, I think the file is called Xaccess. lots of comments inside
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[13:08:12] <dmarkey_> *                       # grant service to all remote displays
[13:08:15] <dmarkey_> thats enabled
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[13:08:47] <oxygene> then it should just work as soon as dtlogin is enabled
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[13:24:51] <LuckyLuke> seems like sxce is trying to use the wrong ide settings here. it definitely doesn't like "old" hardware... :(
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[13:32:35] <cherp> hey ive got a wonderful problem... every time I open package manager (GUI) it fails to load but in doing so it steals my keyboard access.  While mouse activity can be entertaining this pretty much renders my system useless.  Anyone got any ideas ..I could always ssh into the machine for keyboard access :)
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[13:56:56] <rpage> good morning #opensolaris
[14:00:52] <Belgar> loke? :)
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[14:06:13] <cherp> i dont feel the love
[14:11:45] <cherp> ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................
[14:18:14] <holcomb> damn west coast
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[14:21:43] <petenix> my machine is still up, it seems
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[14:38:58] <michael0> whew!~ :) finly I got in the room lol
[14:39:43] <michael0> one ?.  Does any one know when the nest ver of opensolaris, is going to be coming out?
[14:40:03] <LuckyLuke> 101 is of today or yesterday
[14:40:35] <LuckyLuke> uhm, sorry, I meant SXCE. You probably want indiana (opensolaris 2008.xxx)
[14:40:36] <michael0> 101? huh?
[14:41:00] <michael0> Was you talking to me sir?
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[14:41:11] <LuckyLuke> sure.
[14:42:05] <LuckyLuke> "opensolaris" used to mean solaris express community edition (SXCE), of which the 'new' version, build 101, came out in the last 48 hours. But now "opensolaris" is the name of another thing, based on project indiana, with versions like 2008.something. And I don't know about that.
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[14:42:21] <michael0> Thanks
[14:42:27] <LuckyLuke> I still erroneously think about SXCE when I hear "opensolaris"...
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[14:44:07] <TomJ> actually opensolaris used to mean the codebase from which SXCE was derived, and then yes Sun took that name and applied it to an actual specific distribution (Indiana, as it was known at that time)
[14:44:14] <TomJ> and confusion was had by all
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[14:48:12] <xRaich[o]2x> it's not that confusing when you look at it from a linux perspective. most "linux users" refer to their distro as linux, but linux is only a very small part of it. so naming project indiana opensolaris is actually pretty clever.
[14:48:24] <xRaich[o]2x> imho
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[14:49:50] <oxygene> xRaich[o]2x: we don't have to replicate every linux madness out there
[14:50:05] <michael0> Thanks for the info about opensolaris
[14:50:11] <oxygene> xRaich[o]2x: also, there's no linux distro called "linux 2008.10" out there, or is there?
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[14:50:59] <xRaich[o]2x> oxygene: i still don't think it's THAT bad. it makes sense.
[14:51:13] <digifor_> I thought they were all "opensolaris" http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/distributions_of_opensolaris
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[14:52:15] <oxygene> how about calling os200x.yy "sun opensolaris 200x.yy" - that should make things clearer
[14:52:49] <oxygene> otoh that doesn't sound like an open community - that makes sun marketing sad.. poor marketing
[14:53:17] <holcomb> honestly, why is sun marketing so bad?
[14:53:24] <SunTzuTech> we could take up a collection to send poor anil to marketing trainign
[14:54:02] <oxygene> SunTzuTech: we could also just hope that the people responsible for that mess are part of the next RIF (instead of engineers that actually produce value)
[14:54:46] <xRaich[o]2x> holcomb: i've seen better marketing but actually whining about sun marketing is tres chic these days.
[14:54:53] <SunTzuTech> well, I think Southern Assets is about to make some of the EMG's lives very hard....
[14:55:09] <oxygene> xRaich[o]2x: blaming sun marketing was very popular for the last 10 years - where have you been?
[14:55:26] <SunTzuTech> I'm not going back until the EMG is gone
[14:55:58] <oxygene> xRaich[o]2x: they were the genuises behind "sun java desktop", "sun one" and all the other rename-a-thons, so I guess it's welldeserved
[14:56:24] <oxygene> xRaich[o]2x: so I guess the opensolaris naming mess is just business as usual in that department
[14:56:29] <michael0> I think Unix is the best OS out there right now.. it's been through the storms of life .. :)
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[15:22:03] <m_gates> So, in both solaris 10, and OpenSolaris build 98, on a E250, I get an error that No Disks are found. I can see he disks in /dev, and right now they are part of a zpool, but the installer can't seem to see them
[15:23:03] <glance> m_gates: what does cfgadm say?
[15:23:51] <CosmicDJ> m_gates: zpool? using whole disks?
[15:24:00] <m_gates> CosmicDJ: yeah
[15:24:11] <CosmicDJ> m_gates: you can't install on EFI labeled disks
[15:24:21] <m_gates> glance: it says I have two busses, one configures and one unconfigures
[15:24:28] <_mary_kate_> doesn't the sparc installer offer to rewrite an SMI label?
[15:24:56] <m_gates> CosmicDJ: I don't think they are, they cam from an old HP, but how can I rewrite the label?
[15:24:57] <CosmicDJ> _mary_kate_: solaris 10 u5 just borked out of the installer last time I tried...
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[15:25:24] <CosmicDJ> m_gates: format in expert mode
[15:26:13] <_mary_kate_> m_gates: if you put a whole-disk zpool on them, they're EFI labelled
[15:26:17] <_mary_kate_> zfs writes an efi label when you do that
[15:26:33] <Belgar> don't you have to boot of something alternate (cdrom or network) and then run format? format will offer you i think.
[15:27:36] <m_gates> _mary_kate_: oh, is there a flag I'm missing? or is that just they way things are?
[15:27:57] <_mary_kate_> m_gates: it's meant to work that way, it just means you have to re-label the disk if you want SMI label back
[15:29:43] <m_gates> ok, format won't touch them becuase they're part of a zpool
[15:30:02] <glance> then comes the ovious question. when sun is changing to efi-boot... =)
[15:30:24] <_mary_kate_> m_gates: export the pool
[15:30:54] <_mary_kate_> glance: i'm more interested in when they support EFI labelled root disks - as that will be required for >1TB disks when they appear
[15:30:56] <oxygene> glance: it would be a rather tiny addition to openboot - 60 lines of code?
[15:31:26] <sickness> >1Tb sata disks already appeared :P
[15:31:43] <sickness> maybe not sas, afaik...
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[15:33:14] <glance> _mary_kate_: EFI labelled root disks => efi-boot
[15:33:18] <m_gates> awesome, now lets see if it works
[15:33:28] <_mary_kate_> glance: oh, i understand 'efi-boot' to mean booting from EFI firmware
[15:33:32] <_mary_kate_> (without using BIOS emulation)
[15:33:58] <oxygene> compile grub2 for i386-efi, fix opensolaris' multiboot header, done
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[15:34:42] <CosmicDJ> oxygene: send patches :p
[15:34:52] <oxygene> CosmicDJ: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6691145
[15:34:56] <glance> oxygene: the zfs-reader from sun-patched legacy-grub needs to be ported to grub2 then...
[15:35:10] <oxygene> glance: oh, right.. that's a bit of work, but not too much
[15:35:14] <rpage> do anyone have a Sun Java Directory Server 6.3 collectiona nd reporting script?
[15:35:20] <_mary_kate_> and UFS.. and the amd64 detection
[15:35:22] <oxygene> though my interest would be more in porting the zfs reader to filo
[15:35:38] <oxygene> grub2 is a quite comfortable development environment
[15:37:41] <CosmicDJ> btw, anyone tried the vconsole yet?
[15:37:58] <glance> oxygene: the good thing is that grub2 already has pxe-support and so on. its just zfs-reader..
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[15:39:36] <_mary_kate_> CosmicDJ: did it integrate in 101?
[15:39:37] <oxygene> glance: my interest in grub2 (or any gnu thing, for that matter) dropped after my last clash with the fsf legal department
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[15:40:20] <sickness> oxygene: oh, I didn't know you had a clash with the fsf legal department, any blog posts about that? :/
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[15:42:37] <CosmicDJ> _mary_kate_: IIRC it was already in b100...
[15:42:47] <_mary_kate_> ah
[15:42:52] <_mary_kate_> maybe it's their fault it was broke ;)
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[15:45:07] <oxygene> sickness: no blog, just irc. I did grub2 work (port to coreboot) in last year's google summer of code. after I refused to do the assignment stuff ("we get the rights, and in case of troubles you pay our legal expenses, too"), the grub2 people contacted their "copyright clerk" to try to convince me (and my mentor) that it's not all that bad. the arguments from our lawyers were more convincing, and it was a highly interesting (and just as ...
[15:45:13] <oxygene> ... annoying) debate.
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[15:49:55] <sickness> heh
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[15:54:23] <m_gates> hmm, it still can't find the disks
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[15:58:38] <twisti> Is there a commandline utility similar to GNU's free?
[15:59:03] <m_gates> um, another question, how can I restart the installer after it craps out? that is, what's the command
[15:59:54] <MarcTB> question i just did a liveupgrade from b90 towards b101. But with loading the kernel i got load of this line on my screen
[16:00:02] <MarcTB> warning: unit type 2049 ignored
[16:00:20] <MarcTB> even when i boot the 101 dvd i get the same
[16:00:27] <MarcTB> anyone with an idea ?
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[16:01:57] <MarcTB> google tells me nothing about this warning
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[16:09:23] <mikefut> Hello
[16:10:35] <mikefut> I've just finished LU from snv_82 to snv_101 but bootadm list-menu doesn't show snv_101 in grub menu - any ide how to fix?
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[16:15:50] <sstallion_work> mikefut: did you activate the new be ?
[16:15:59] <mikefut> not yet
[16:16:25] <sstallion_work> well that would be why
[16:17:02] <mikefut> on my other test server I upgraded from 87 to 99, activated etc and  bootadm list-menu display both
[16:17:14] <mikefut> ok - let me try to activate it
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[16:20:49] <mikefut> activated - still same
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[16:21:29] <m_gates> so is there a way to restart the install process without rebooting?
[16:22:33] <MarcTB> m_gates: read this http://notallmicrosoft.blogspot.com/2008/08/live-upgrade-with-zfs-root-using-sxce.html
[16:22:37] <MarcTB> easy to follow
[16:22:53] <m_gates> MarcTB: awesome, thanks
[16:22:59] <MarcTB> np
[16:24:23] <mikefut> sstallion_work: so how that GRUB menu is generated and why it's not done by LU?
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[16:26:18] <MarcTB> do more people have a problem when booting from the 101 dvd ? that when the kernel loads they see warning: unit type 2049 ignored
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[16:26:41] <MarcTB> when i boot the b90 dvd it boots without a problem
[16:26:58] <sstallion_work> mikefut: I could be wrong, but I thought that lu only updated the boot menu when a new be was activated
[16:27:37] <mikefut> sstallion_work: probably you are right but not in my case :(
[16:28:09] <mikefut> sstallion_work: is there any other way to generate it ?
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[16:29:15] <sstallion_work> via bootadm ?
[16:29:25] <sstallion_work> worst case you can always update it by hand
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[16:31:44] <Belgar> yo
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[16:59:05] <CIA-58> Yang-Rong Jerry Zhou <Yangrong.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: 6764261 audiohd panics on HP laptop (dv9000)
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[17:07:12] <crichardso> so blastwave is down?
[17:07:28] <crichardso> :< is there any other repos out there?
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[17:08:40] <bda> It is?
[17:09:21] <jamesd> blastwave is up now.. and there are numerous mirrors anyway...
[17:10:11] <RElling1> See also, http://opencsw.org and http://opencsw.org/history
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[17:15:06] <alexixor> hi all
[17:15:17] <alexixor> is xen for intel fixed in 100/101?
[17:15:19] <Doc> anyone recommend a good windows Jabber client?  (yeah, #opensolaris - i know)
[17:15:25] <alexixor> thanks
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[17:16:40] <LuckyLuke> "fixed" for what? (just curious)
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[17:17:05] <alexixor> in th erelease note for 99 it says that xen in DOA on intel cpus.
[17:17:10] <LuckyLuke> btw, trying to start xVM with b99 on a VIA Epia M10000 1GiB will just yeld a reboot without any message.
[17:17:13] <alexixor> gah!!
[17:17:22] <alexixor> xen is DOA
[17:17:30] <alexixor> i cant type:)
[17:17:34] <LuckyLuke> (did the same on an older build)
[17:17:39] <LuckyLuke> DOA? dead or alive?
[17:17:43] <alexixor> hhe
[17:17:47] <alexixor> dead on arrival
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[17:17:51] <LuckyLuke> oh.
[17:17:55] <th> it works on b90
[17:17:59] <alexixor> i know
[17:18:41] <h3sp4wn> LuckyLuke: b99 is broken for xvm on everything other than amd chips afaik
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[17:18:59] <alexixor> yeah
[17:19:09] <alexixor> i got bitten by it
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[17:19:22] <LuckyLuke> oh well I was just playing with this epia I don't need/want to run xVM on that box
[17:19:24] <alexixor> also when do we expect opensolaris 100/101?
[17:19:32] <LuckyLuke> 101 is in topic
[17:19:48] <h3sp4wn> Brilliant (me downloads SXCE 101)
[17:20:01] <LuckyLuke> d'oh, I keep forgetting opensolaris != SXCE nowadays. sorry.
[17:20:21] <oxygene> seems like only the one-piece dvd version is actually available
[17:20:44] <oxygene> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/sol_ex_dvd_1/ that one
[17:21:30] <alexixor> this is SXDE thoi
[17:21:33] <alexixor> though
[17:22:06] <Suhail> Hey everyone, I having a problem with my makefile which seems to be an opensolaris issue ONLY: http://pastie.org/303255 Thank you in advance if you can help
[17:22:23] <oxygene> that's sxce
[17:23:08] <oxygene> Suhail: if in doubt, try with gmake. make on (open)solaris is sun make
[17:23:40] <th> Suhail: you tried GNU Make?
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[17:27:25] <LuckyLuke> I never used LiveUpgrade before. I'd like to try that to upgrade my fresh install of SXCE99 to SXCE101. Do I need to download the full b101 iso to use LiveUpgrade or there's a faster method?
[17:27:40] <_mary_kate_> LuckyLuke: you need the media for the release you want to upgrade to
[17:28:29] <LuckyLuke> ok thanks
[17:28:33] <Suhail> oxygene: th: I didn't even know it existed :D
[17:28:36] <Suhail> Trying now
[17:28:42] <th> LuckyLuke: http://notallmicrosoft.blogspot.com/2008/10/recap-live-upgrade-with-zfs-root-using.html
[17:28:48] <Suhail> still fails
[17:29:18] <Suhail> better error though
[17:30:21] <th> Suhail: that makefile seems to be using sed and stuff. that might cause issues if it expects gnu sed - try adapting your path so it finds the gnu versions first
[17:30:45] <th> Suhail: AND your makefile seems to be calling "make" again - so just using "gmake" does not help if it calls non-gnu make from within
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[17:31:37] <emanuek> hi people!
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[17:32:08] <emanuek> i'm looking for some material of solaris internals in pdf... someone knows where?
[17:32:16] <h3sp4wn> You can do something like - foo ${.TARGETS}: @gmake $@
[17:33:31] <oxygene> emanuek: docs.sun.com
[17:34:21] <_mary_kate_> never call 'make' from a makefile, use $(MAKE)
[17:37:04] <sstallion_work> ... friends don't let friends use gnu make ...
[17:37:33] <sstallion_work> its better to use $(TARGET) and $(ALLTAGS) rather than playing with .TARGETS
[17:37:38] <sstallion_work> ALLTARGS even
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[17:49:58] <emanuek> oxygene:  thanks!
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[17:53:45] <h3sp4wn> sstallion_work: Do you know of another make that supports templates ?
[17:55:17] <MarcTB> hmmpf i can only get 101 booting by putting this in the kernel line in grub -B intel-iommu=no
[17:56:04] <cherp> OK my machine keyboard entry has gone away
[17:57:09] <sstallion_work> h3sp4wn: templates in what respect ?
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[18:05:19] <h3sp4wn> sstallion_work: something like - http://rafb.net/p/CbVTbN80.html (Heavily entrenched with gmake syntax it works but if there is something like star is for gnu tar maybe it could be switched)
[18:06:05] <jbk> afternoon
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[18:08:43] <fluxdude> I'm trying to install opensolaris in virtual pc and it's just hanging after the select desktop language after I enter the language number and press enter... but the process is permanently chewing 30% CPU and not moving... any ideas?
[18:09:57] <CosmicDJ> how much ram does your v-pc have?
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[18:12:07] <SunTzuTech> oh joy, my vfe interface went deaf between 95 and 101
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[18:19:33] <topgun17> is svn_99 the most current branch of the opensolaris  development cycle?
[18:19:39] <oxygene> 101
[18:19:57] <CosmicDJ> topgun17: /topic
[18:19:59] <oxygene> topgun17: look at the topic. and please stop asking stupid questions
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[18:23:12] <topgun17> oxygene: No need to insult me I easn't awhere of SXCE 101, nior do i have the DVD drive required tioinstall SXCE101, so untill i can get a new dvd burner I have to use svn_99  and only update via the pkg image-update command.
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[18:24:43] <CosmicDJ> I love this name confusion... great job sun
[18:25:27] <topgun17> Any clues ion configuring NFS for sharing with OS X leapord?
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[18:26:24] <CosmicDJ> topgun17: man zfs; search for sharenfs
[18:28:18] <oxygene> topgun17: no need to insult you, right. no need to ask stupid questions, either.
[18:29:09] <throwt> topgun17: here's a hint...  take whatever advice given, prove it, and throw out irrelevant parts
[18:29:18] <topgun17> What would the device name for my second SATA hard drive BE?
[18:29:37] <CosmicDJ> topgun17: btw, the opensolaris with the pkg commend is IPS in /topic
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[18:33:24] <CosmicDJ> and you don't need a dvd (+ burner) for 2008.xy, too :) it's trimmed down to an 700MB iso image
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[18:38:56] <topgun17> primary hard disk on the fourth ata/SATA channel to his/her zfs storage pool/
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[18:43:28] <topgun17>  With data striping would my fdisks both have to be 400gb?
[18:45:24] <_mary_kate_> zfs can stripe over disks of any size
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[18:45:33] <_mary_kate_> but once the smaller disk is full, it won't be striping any more, so it'll get slower
[18:46:42] <topgun17> _mary_kate_: How d I get a list of currnely connected devices?
[18:46:48] <_mary_kate_> iostat -En
[18:47:00] <_mary_kate_> also, note that you can't boot from a stripe
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[18:50:30] <bimbo> hello, since update 99, I've noticed that sometimes when starting the os I have to restart the nwam service, because although ifconfig shows an ip assigned to me I'm unable to access the internet, anyone else experiencing the same problem? this is opensolaris os200805
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[18:54:39] <LeftyBSD> nwam is literally the first service I disable on a box :)
[18:54:43] <LeftyBSD> I don't like magic
[18:55:18] <SunTzuTech> bimbo: I just noticed the same thing with SXCE B101 and my vfe (via Rhine) interface.  had to unplumb/modunload it, and now it can reach the local network...
[18:55:18] <bimbo> hmmm why don't you like magic? it was working fine until this update
[18:55:22] <topgun17> A litle help please http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1239831
[18:55:59] <bimbo> SunTzuTech: ok, something must have changed then, this is not an expected behavior
[18:56:07] <bimbo> s/an/the
[18:56:20] <SunTzuTech> however, it's not just an nwam, cause I use inetmenu and see the same problem
[18:57:02] <SunTzuTech> glad you mentioned it. I saw this in b99 as well, but hadn't diagnosed anything other than it wasn't working...
[18:57:51] <bimbo> I think we should fill a bug report, or try to get some help in the forums, this wouldn't matter if I had this computer turned on all the time, since that is not the case, it does matter
[18:58:29] <bimbo> SunTzuTech: using os200805 or sx?
[18:58:37] <topgun17> I s there A guied disk management tool for solaris?
[18:59:08] <CIA-58> Daniel OpenSolaris Anderson <opensolaris at drydog dot com>: 6414175 kcf.conf's supportedlist not providing much usefulness
[19:01:44] <sstallion_work> h3sp4wn: that snippet makes my brain bleed; yes, if you are clever, you can do that using traditional make/dmake
[19:01:46] <topgun17> My gupu fan is dead a any one know where I can grab a new one?
[19:01:54] <SunTzuTech> sxce
[19:02:17] <sstallion_work> h3sp4wn: we do something similar in the emancipation driver builds... one second
[19:02:17] <LeftyBSD> how is shareiscsi in recent versions? reasonably stable?
[19:02:46] <sstallion_work> h3sp4wn: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/emancipation/driver-gate/Makefile.rules look toward the bottom
[19:02:56] <bimbo> SunTzuTech: some at #os200805 suggested that it might be a dns issue, so I'll check if hosts are reachable by address (ip) instead of hostname
[19:03:10] <sstallion_work> hrmph. opengrok hasnt re-indexed in weeks
[19:03:56] <SunTzuTech> nope. not a dns issue. I use ip addresses.  This was working in B95, and stopped working in B99 and 101 by "default"  unplumbing and modunloading the interface and redoing it made it work. which is a hack...
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[19:04:40] <SunTzuTech> yo sstallion_work
[19:05:36] <LeftyBSD> SunTzuTech: you just had to unplumb/modunload once and it'd work until reboot?
[19:05:44] <SunTzuTech> yep
[19:05:53] <LeftyBSD> hmm, ok, not the same issue I'm experiencing then
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[19:06:13] <LeftyBSD> we were having problems with e1000g, but we ended up backporting the driver from snv_91
[19:06:39] <SunTzuTech> and on the same system, the ath driver works....  it's berry berry bizarre
[19:07:54] <bda> ENOBERRIES
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[19:16:46] <sstallion_work> heya SunTzuTech
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[19:16:47] <sstallion_work> how goes it ?
[19:20:39] <jbk> hey sstallion_work
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[19:23:18] <sstallion_work> heya jbk, how goes it ?
[19:23:22] <jbk> alright
[19:23:49] <sstallion_work> at least youre warm ;)
[19:23:56] <jbk> :)
[19:23:59] <jbk> a bit cool up there?
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[19:25:43] <jbk> hmm still no word on a fixed ss12 tarball
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[19:27:18] <SunTzuTech> sstallion_work: think I got a yob
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[19:30:09] <sstallion_work> SunTzuTech: oh yeah? I thought things were going well at Sun ?
[19:30:16] <sstallion_work> jbk: yeah, first freeze hit this week
[19:30:23] <sstallion_work> meh bummer. I'm ready to lu to 101
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[19:30:24] <SunTzuTech> I got rif'd in July
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[19:30:32] <sstallion_work> SunTzuTech: oh man, I'm sorry :/
[19:30:34] <sstallion_work> I had no idea
[19:30:39] <jbk> it's 70 here
[19:30:44] <jbk> supposed to be back in the 80s this weekend :)
[19:30:51] <sstallion_work> jbk: lucky bastard ;)
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[19:30:57] <SunTzuTech> no worries.  glad to be gone, really
[19:31:53] <SunTzuTech> got a job at a company that has a positive cash flow and hasn't lost 80% of its value in a year
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[19:32:34] <sstallion_work> SunTzuTech: cool. congrats!
[19:32:51] <sstallion_work> able to stay in the area?
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[19:36:05] <jbk> heh.. i'm slightly nervous here :)
[19:36:18] <jbk> contractor at an oil & gas company in a declining price environment
[19:37:08] <SunTzuTech> sstallion_work: that was a given.  I had to turn down some offers of traveling positions cause of my son
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[19:39:39] <sstallion_work> we've been getting hit as well - several of our customers are in the financial sector :/
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[19:42:50] <twisti> Baah!
[19:42:55] <twisti> NWAM suck soo much!
[19:43:25] <trochej> Hmmm
[19:43:34] <trochej> Coffee?
[19:43:44] <oxygene> yay, logged into my university's cisco vpn from sxce/x86
[19:43:49] <throwt> oh really?
[19:43:51] <throwt> how's that?
[19:44:15] <throwt> hmm what kind of vpn
[19:44:28] <oxygene> some surgery in vpnc (http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/vpnc/)
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[19:45:27] <bubbva> twisti: which build are you running? It's gotten a LOT better recently.
[19:45:32] <throwt> thanks oxygene
[19:45:42] <oxygene> throwt: looks like ipsec with psk. can't give you more details as I don't know anything more about it :)
[19:45:44] <twisti> bubbva, 99
[19:46:04] <twisti> bubbva, It takes down my interface so often!
[19:46:52] <twisti> And the dialog coming, which you have to confirm to go away, doesn't help very much.
[19:46:53] <bubbva> twisti: you may have a flakey interface
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[19:47:11] <bubbva> but, NWAM does get better in b100.
[19:47:34] <twisti> Shouldn't b100 be released tomorrow?
[19:48:17] <th> that would be strange with b101 out since few days
[19:49:30] <sickness> are the 2dvd links still borked?
[19:49:35] <sickness> 2 part dvd
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[19:49:54] <twisti> Right, b100 gets skipped, so b101.
[19:49:57] <bubbva> Last I heard from Derek was we were going to skip the external release of 100
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[19:50:33] <bubbva> tehre was an internal respin, but the release dates are so close that you might as well go with 101... so, to correct my earlier statement, NWAM is better in 101 :-)
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[19:50:57] <bubbva> (it's better in 100, but if you can't get that build, it's kind of irrelevant to you ;-)
[19:50:57] <twisti> bubbva, I hope :)
[19:51:00] <oxygene> sickness: yes, and there's no cd, it seems. so only the 1 segment dvd thing works
[19:51:50] <bubbva> twisti: I was just talking to one of the NWAM engineers who sits across from me, she said NWAM can sometimes make a flakey interface more annoying, but she promises that it doesn't arbitrarily take down a healthy interface.
[19:51:55] <sickness> oxygene: sux big time, since links and w3m borks on that big file :/
[19:52:12] <TomJ> wget can use your Firefox cookie jar I'm told
[19:52:20] <twisti> bubbva, How do you define "flakey"?
[19:52:21] <TomJ> i.e. login with Firefox, save jar, use wget to retrieve
[19:53:02] <sickness> TomJ: too much work I don't want to study that much to just update my sxce machine :(
[19:53:02] <bubbva> twisti: what driver?
[19:53:17] <TomJ> sickness: but the alternative appears to be.. not being able to update it :)
[19:53:21] <TomJ> I doubt it's hard
[19:53:25] <twisti> bubbva, Atheros
[19:53:27] <bubbva> sorry, time for lunch - I will be back on later (though in a meeting right after),
[19:53:37] * bubbva is away: lunch
[19:53:49] <twisti> OK
[19:54:17] <sickness> I have already too much work to do to change the motherboard of my little home zfs pr0n fileserver because damned gigabyte doesn't support the lsi sas pci-e controller on the 16x slot, whereas an asus board perfectly supports it, so I have a lot of work do to :/
[19:54:53] <sickness> I'm a little bored of all this "issues" in 2008, damn, ISA days were simpler! how have we come to this?!? :(
[19:55:48] <oxygene> sickness: design by standard organization
[19:57:00] <sickness> oxygene: heh, standard says "any pci-e 8x card should work on any pci-e 16x slot no matter what", that's ok for example on an asus board that I have, instead on a gigabyte board that I have it is "only cards with video bios will get an irq on the 16x pci-e slot" that sux.
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[19:58:02] <sickness> (the gigabyte board is the  GA-M51GM-S2G and the asus one is the P5KPL-VM, what amuses me is that the asus one was even cheaper to buy!!! =)
[19:59:07] <CIA-58> Sowmini Varadhan <Sowmini.Varadhan at Sun dot COM>: 6764046 ARP DAD timer may be clobbered post-6742822, leaving IP address unusable
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[20:01:12] <oxygene> sickness: how nice of them (gigabyte).. hmm.. good case for coreboot
[20:02:27] <sickness> oxygene: heh, yeay, ok it's an "el cheapo" board, but I'm not asking to put a cpu and overclock it to 5Ghz, I just one to use my damn pci-e 16x slot... :/
[20:03:06] <sickness> I'm off to the gym, or I'll shoot to this board.
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[20:04:08] <jamesd> sickness, i like my  asus m2a-vm board, its  amd only i think.. and i haven't tried a  quad core, but it seems decent and well supported in SXCE
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[20:05:17] <oxygene> sickness: nvidia chipset.. unlikely to be supported by us at any time :-/
[20:06:01] <th> how would i `zfs receive -d` a rpool without mounting it automatically on the receiving side (which of course fails)
[20:06:35] <holcomb> you can zpool import -R /altroot
[20:07:04] <th> i dont want to import any pool - i just want to backup a fs with zfs send -R
[20:07:11] <holcomb> send it to a file
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[20:07:15] <th> hmm
[20:07:16] <th> ok
[20:07:19] <th> that would work
[20:07:48] <th> but will this work with incremental receiving?
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[20:08:30] <th> i would need some altroot option for zfs-receive
[20:09:45] <spiff> what's the difference between i86xpv and i86hvm?
[20:10:50] <oxygene> paravirtualized vs. hardware virtualized, I guess
[20:11:39] <oxygene> the former uses the xen hooks + xen virtual hardware, the latter only the virtual hardware and relies on cpu support for cpu virtualization
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[20:12:02] <_setuid_H> evening all
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[20:12:54] <spiff> oxygene: ok, thanks.
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[20:25:01] <_coredump_> i want to install opensolaris on a second partition, what happens to my debian bootloader grub, after setting up opensolaris?
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[20:25:27] <_coredump_> whats the best way for dual boot debian and opensolaris?
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[20:26:10] <oxygene> _coredump_: install your debian grub into the linux partition (if the filesystem allows it), then chainload into it from solaris' grub
[20:26:12] <_setuid_H> _coredump_: Hi The best is to first install solaris
[20:26:33] <_setuid_H> than install linux on some secondary partition and install linux grub in the root of that
[20:27:03] <_setuid_H> then just add roonoverify (hd0,*) and chainloader+1 to solaris grub (which should be in mbr) and dual boot is here
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[20:27:37] <_setuid_H> _coredump_: this is the way I use
[20:28:10] <_coredump_> k thx oxygene and _setuid_H i will install my debian grub to /dev/sda1 and chainload from solaris grub, sounds sweet ;)
[20:28:30] <_setuid_H> _coredump_: it's easy don't be afraid
[20:29:08] <TomJ> no, be VERY afraid
[20:29:23] <_coredump_> im not afraid, used solaris before on sparc, on x86 only linux and bsd so far ;)
[20:29:25] <_setuid_H> _setuid_H: sometimes is better to set bootable  flag in cfdisk to first partittion and to the linux one. E.g. mandriva's installer set mbr unbootable
[20:29:37] <_setuid_H> _coredump_: ok
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[20:30:36] <_coredump_> but qemu on bsd is a pita, im looking forward to use vbox on opensolaris.
[20:31:15] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: today's lin. algebra was totally annoying. Just mechanical work with A^-1 (matrix)
[20:31:22] <_coredump_> skype is only possible with brandZ so far on opensolaris?
[20:31:39] <oxygene> unless skype secretly released a solaris port, yes
[20:31:49] <_setuid_H> _coredump_: I think it depends on your sound card. But I heard someone get it worked
[20:31:50] <_coredump_> ok.
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[20:33:13] <_setuid_H> damn I'm glad that vconsole is now integrated to onnv
[20:33:36] <_setuid_H> s/to/into
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[20:40:11] <h3sp4wn> _coredump_: afaik its not possible to get sound working with linux-2.6 brandz (Other than using pulseaudio or some other network sound server)
[20:40:52] <bubbva> twisti: the NWAM engineer said lots of folks are having issues lately with the atheros drivers
[20:41:00] <bubbva> on some platforms (but not all).
[20:41:15] <bubbva>  not sure of anymore details, but someone on drivers-discuss at opensolaris dot org may be better able to help
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[20:44:06] <pjfloyd> is it me or are versions of SXCE getting bigger and bigger?
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[20:45:54] <pjfloyd> with sxce my 7.9G / partition is 96% full
[20:46:06] <pjfloyd> sxce 101 I mean
[20:46:17] <LeftyBSD> are you hoarding old snapshots or bootenvs?
[20:47:05] <pjfloyd> I have 2 BEs that I've been alternatively luupgrade'ing for about the last year
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[20:47:26] <joey1990> hey everybody, I've heard that there will be a opensolaris 2008.11 release (is that true?), because I can't find much information about it on opensolaris.org.
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[20:48:22] <timsf> joey1990: yep, there will be.
[20:48:31] <joey1990> great :-)
[20:48:40] <pjfloyd> hmm sxce 99 (also in a 7.9G UFS slice) only used 6.9G
[20:48:45] <timsf> fingers crossed
[20:49:04] <jamesd> joey1990, the bigger question is there anyone that is waiting for it besides you....
[20:49:21] <timsf> I'm *really* looking forward to it myself
[20:49:37] <pjfloyd> I'll at least give it a whirl in a VM
[20:54:14] <twisti> bubbva, Thank you.
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[21:07:08] <LeftyBSD> put a smaller fourth disk in and use that as the OS drive
[21:07:34] <bda> Lacking OS redundancy kind of sucks.
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[21:08:02] <CosmicDJ> IIRC it's possible to boot from mirrored zfs
[21:08:07] <gonzzor> Yes it is..
[21:08:16] <bda> Yup.
[21:08:18] <e^ipi> i do it all the time
[21:08:27] <LeftyBSD> true, but giving up an entire terabyte (well, two in this case, as you'd have to mirror the 1tb units to get redundancy if you're not raidz) is pretty wasteful
[21:08:41] <e^ipi> nonsense
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[21:09:01] <bda> e^ipi: It's not nonsense to want different I/O behaviors for OS and data volumes.
[21:09:11] <LeftyBSD> if you're going with 1tb OS drive + (1+1TB) zfs mirror
[21:09:15] <CosmicDJ> LeftyBSD: I didn't say that this is a "good" solution
[21:09:19] <gonzzor> :)
[21:09:27] <e^ipi> bda, i meant nonsense in so far as redundancy isn't waste
[21:09:31] <turtle> if you really want to you could always just partition and create two pools. a small mirrored rpool and another in raidz for data
[21:09:36] <bda> e^ipi: That's certainly true.
[21:09:36] <CosmicDJ> I just wanted to clarify that there is os redundancy
[21:09:44] <CosmicDJ> just not on raidz
[21:09:53] <gonzzor> turtle: I read something about that..
[21:10:07] <LeftyBSD> booting off of raidz would be killer, though
[21:10:19] <LeftyBSD> thumpers would suddently get that much more awesome :)
[21:10:23] <h3sp4wn> turtle: Then you are not using whole disks that has its own issues
[21:10:41] <gonzzor> I read it wasn't recommended to not use the whole disk..
[21:10:42] <bda> LeftyBSD: You don't actually build a pool with 48 disks in it on a Thumper.
[21:10:51] <CosmicDJ> LeftyBSD: IIRC sun puts a smaller HD in all newer thumpers just for the OS
[21:10:57] <LeftyBSD> No, they don't
[21:10:58] <turtle> maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but it does address the issue that was just raised about not wanting to lose a whole tb in the mirrored configuration
[21:11:02] <LeftyBSD> I have two of them, fully populated
[21:11:07] <bda> Read the zpool man page. Look for recommended number of disks in a raidz.
[21:11:18] <gonzzor> I read 3-9..
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[21:11:26] <LeftyBSD> bda: you don't build a pool with a *single* raidz in it on a thumper
[21:11:32] <bda> Sure.
[21:11:44] <bda> I don't really get when you'd want OS RAIDZ over a mirror, I suppose.
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[21:12:03] <LeftyBSD> I wouldn't want that - I'd want to be able to make my OS live on the raidz
[21:12:07] <gonzzor> My current server, which is a Raid5 + LVM boots from a USB memory... Wouldn't something simlary be possible?
[21:12:36] <bda> Putting your OS and your data on the same disks tends to generate interesting problems under load.
[21:13:08] <LeftyBSD> depends on the load, and it depends on the pool
[21:13:12] <bda> Sure.
[21:13:27] <gonzzor> bda: I have felt that with my current setup.. During high IO load.. The system gets unresponsive
[21:13:43] <bda> Yup.
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[21:17:15] <sickness> jamesd: but this board is well supported in sxce, it's not a solaris problem, it just doesn't see a sas hba in the pci-e slot, so it's impossible to use the lsi sas 3442e-r with any os
[21:17:24] <sickness> :D
[21:17:40] <gonzzor> How good would it be to run the OS from two USB memory sticks and use the disks for storage?
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[21:18:24] <throwt> i've installed solaris on a 4gb usb stick before, with zfs root
[21:18:45] <throwt> the only issue was the bootdev changing whenever usb slot or pc was changed
[21:19:05] <throwt> more like hacked it...  copied a bare install and fixed up grub
[21:19:09] <h3sp4wn> I was thinking of using xvm server from some form of flash storage
[21:19:13] <oxygene> sickness: already sent a complaint to gigabyte?
[21:19:30] <throwt> i think the best option would be to use some sort of network attached storage
[21:19:49] <throwt> like how blades do it or something
[21:19:57] <sickness> oxygene: nah, I found a friend of mine at the gym which wants to buy that board :P
[21:20:47] <sickness> so now I have to search for a board wich has an 8x pci-e connector which is maybe the only way to be sure it accepts a non video card on the pci-e connector :P
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[21:26:56] <oxygene> okay, successfully packaged vpnc
[21:28:24] <Greggi> I've forgot my SCA reference number? how can I retrieve it ?
[21:29:20] <e^ipi> what's your name, i'll look it up
[21:29:38] <e^ipi> ( /msg )
[21:29:43] <Greggi> e^pi: u mind my real name ?
[21:29:49] <e^ipi> yeah
[21:30:12] <Greggi> e^ipi: Grzegorz Rumatowski (I know, hard to spell)
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[21:49:32] <pjfloyd> can anyone tell me which (if any) of these directories in /opt are still part of a full sxce install
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[21:50:07] <pjfloyd> netbeans_ss-6.0 netbeans-6.0 glassfish-v2 apache-tomcat-6.0.14
[21:50:21] <pjfloyd> (trying to clear out some space)
[21:50:40] <pjfloyd> all dated nov 2007
[21:52:33] <Fish> probably not tomcat
[21:53:09] <oxygene> none of these, I think
[21:53:36] <pjfloyd> hmm where is the netbeans used with Sun Studio?
[21:53:52] <oxygene> in /opt/netbeans-5.5.1 here
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[21:55:12] <pjfloyd> studio 11?
[21:55:26] <oxygene> studio 12
[21:55:35] <pjfloyd>  /usr/bin/sunstudio referes to /opt/netbeans_ss-6.0
[21:55:52] <quasi> might be sunstudio express then
[21:56:07] <pjfloyd> OK, I must have studio express
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[21:57:45] <pjfloyd> hmm CC says it's CC: Sun C++ 5.9 SunOS_i386 2007/11/15 which I thought was Studio 12
[21:57:48] <tsoome> anyone with vxvm experience?
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[22:07:30] <TrogL> Still no resolution to yesterdays' crypto problem.  elfsign list -f format -e pkcs11_softtoken.so
[22:08:00] <TrogL> returns Unable to open pkcs11_softtoken.so.1 as an ELF (something)
[22:08:20] <TrogL> if I steal one from another server it works briefly, then goes back to that state
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[22:10:20] <TrogL> somebody else with same problem is asking "how to recreate ELF signature on a .so"
[22:11:13] <TrogL> Apr 24 15:04:37 servername sshd[10605]: [ID 234283 auth.error] libpkcs11: /usr/lib/security/pkcs11_softtoken.so unexpected failure in ELF signature verification. System may have been tampered with. See cryptoadm(1M). Skipping this plug-in.
[22:11:32] <TrogL> I'm getting it with a different ap
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[22:12:48] <petenix> distributed net client freezes opensolaris
[22:12:58] <petenix> it only happens when I run the client
[22:13:04] <petenix> I had an uptime > a day
[22:13:14] <petenix> when I ran the client, my system froze after a little while
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[22:29:58] <Suhail> Why would it say unterminated char 's'; gsed -e 's;%VSN%;$(VSN);'
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[22:33:24] <throwt> escalate the %?
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[22:35:06] <Suhail> throwt: escalate?
[22:35:13] <throwt> I meant escape
[22:35:19] <Suhail> \%?
[22:35:20] <Suhail> or %%
[22:35:30] <throwt> Good, I'd try both
[22:35:36] <Suhail> lol
[22:35:46] <Suhail> you sure it needs to be escaped?
[22:35:50] <throwt> No
[22:35:55] <Suhail> gah
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[22:38:38] <_setuid_H> Hi does anybody get worked vconsole switching in b101?
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[22:40:26] <Suhail> Any ideas on how to fix this: http://dpaste.com/87637/
[22:41:25] <_setuid_H> Suhail: Have you tried to build it with make
[22:41:26] <_setuid_H> ?
[22:41:29] <_setuid_H> not gmake
[22:41:31] <Suhail> yes
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[22:41:49] <Suhail> _setuid_H: same exact error
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[22:42:27] <_setuid_H> well it tells you that ../build/color.mk does not exist maybe the path is corrupted
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[22:43:03] <Suhail> _setuid_H: That's another weird thing, when I do cd ../build/ it definitely exists.
[22:43:37] <Suhail> _setuid_H: All works fine on normal linux/mac osx
[22:43:46] <Suhail> damn you solaris!
[22:43:50] <_setuid_H> does anyone have a problem with console switching in sxce b101 (my iron is thinkpad r60 with cleanly installed sxce b101)
[22:44:47] <pjfloyd> I thought that problemn
[22:44:51] <_setuid_H> Suhail: I maybe know what causes that try to change /bin/sh for /bin/bash
[22:45:03] <Suhail> alright
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[22:45:17] <pjfloyd> problems like that (autohell, dependency hell) were par for the course with Linux
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[22:49:36] <Suhail> How does fgrep have a -r on solaris...
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[22:49:54] <jamesd> probably doesn't... man  fgrep
[22:50:00] <Suhail> I did that
[22:50:06] <Suhail> No recursive?
[22:50:09] <Suhail> that's stupid
[22:50:19] <pjfloyd> duh use gfgrep
[22:50:25] <Suhail> wtf
[22:50:29] <Suhail> gfgrep!?
[22:50:45] <alanc> that's what find is for - running any command recursively instead of requiring them all to add -r switches
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[22:50:56] <alanc> or, yes, just use the gnu version
[22:51:29] <pjfloyd> as a rule, where there are name clashes between GNU tools and Sun tools, the  GNU ones get renamed with a g prefix
[22:51:40] <pjfloyd> gtar, gfgrep, gsed and so on
[22:52:18] <xRaich[o]2x> Suhail: there is a ksh option that allows some kind of "recursive globbing". so you could do grep "blah" **/*
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[22:53:20] <pjfloyd> I usually use find, like 'find . -type f -name "*.c" -exec grep foo {} /dev/null \;'
[22:54:07] <xRaich[o]2x> i prefer globbing. reduces typing ^^
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[22:54:44] <SunTzuTech> around evocallaghan1
[22:54:51] <Suhail> OpenSolaris isn't one for adapting to linux-y type stuff is it?
[22:55:02] <SunTzuTech> why do you say that?
[22:55:04] <alanc> zsh has recursive globs too
[22:55:07] <Suhail> Everytime I try to install something, there's always an issue
[22:55:21] <SunTzuTech> well, they aren't the same
[22:55:34] <Suhail> Feel like I am jumping through a million hoops right now
[22:55:39] <Suhail> even mac osx has less issues
[22:55:57] <SunTzuTech> well, start complaining to the OSS developers who ignore standards and solaris
[22:56:04] <Suhail> All my make files are screwed up
[22:56:29] <Suhail> well not "mine" but whoever made them
[22:56:33] <SunTzuTech> know the differences between make and gmake?
[22:56:45] <xRaich[o]2x> gnu makefiles are screwed up by default
[22:56:57] <Suhail> no idea how fix this: http://dpaste.com/87637/
[22:57:18] <Suhail> well there's no command compatibility
[22:57:34] <Suhail> like directory paths I understand but jee
[22:57:35] <alanc> OpenSolaris 2008.* is a lot more linuxy than previous Solaris releases - all those gnu utilities in /usr/gnu/bin, and having them first in default new user $PATHs for instance
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[22:59:02] <alanc> and there's a lot of people at Sun working on bringing more common open source into the pkg.opensolaris.org repo, especially things found in the fedora & ubuntu pkg repos
[22:59:23] <e^ipi> there's an understatement
[22:59:39] <e^ipi> ;)
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[23:00:59] <Suhail> _setuid_H: No luck
[23:02:07] <_setuid_H> Suhail: that's bad
[23:02:57] <_setuid_H> _setuid_H: sun is trying to play a very bad game with this non-compatibility
[23:03:05] <SunTzuTech> Suhail: did you hack up the makefile
[23:03:11] <Suhail> I am constantly getting these errors: /bin/sh: \./::: not found
[23:03:11] <Suhail> sed: command garbled: s:
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[23:03:16] <Suhail> SunTzuTech: no
[23:03:28] <Suhail> I wish I did :P
[23:03:29] <SunTzuTech> so you didn't insert gsed?
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[23:03:34] <_setuid_H> I prefer sun tools, but sometimes gnu tools are more usable
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[23:03:49] <Suhail> SunTzuTech: I did to one of the them but it barked about unterminated s literal
[23:04:05] <SunTzuTech> solaris has standards.  they have compatiblity guarantees.  so they can't just go change.. it takes time
[23:04:26] <e^ipi> it also depends on the value of the change
[23:04:41] <e^ipi> it's easy to say "gnu familiarity", harder to quantify it
[23:04:42] <alanc> many of the Sun tools were there first, and the GNU/Linux ones chose to be incompatible
[23:04:42] <SunTzuTech> Suhail: well, you need to probably revert it, and make sure that your path has a gnu-ish sed before the standard solaris sed and see if that works
[23:05:07] <SunTzuTech> it appears that the makefile structure is multi-filed
[23:05:13] <Suhail> revert gsed back to sed?
[23:05:17] <_setuid_H> somebody should finaly force gnu to be more compatible with sun :-)
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[23:05:27] <SunTzuTech> _setuid_H: rotflamo
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[23:05:53] <SunTzuTech> Suhail: if you made that change.  if you're on SOS200805, then put /usr/gnu/bin at the front of your path
[23:06:09] <Suhail> which change?
[23:06:12] <alanc> on opensolaris, /bin/sh (really ksh93) should be more compatible than the old SXCE /bin/sh
[23:06:14] <Suhail> gsed -> sed or reverse?
[23:06:29] <Suhail> how do I look up what version of solaris I am suing?
[23:06:32] <Suhail> using*
[23:06:37] <alanc> the old /bin/sh was really only compatible with itself
[23:06:44] <_setuid_H> Suhail: uname -a
[23:06:54] <alanc> Suhail: head -1 /etc/release
[23:07:10] <SunTzuTech> Suhail: yes. if you replaced gsed with sed, then put it back to sed, and do "env PATH=/usr/gnu/bin:${PATH} gmake"
[23:07:39] <SunTzuTech> hi alanc
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[23:07:49] <alanc> hi ben
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[23:08:08] <SunTzuTech> how goes?
[23:08:23] <alanc> busy
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[23:08:26] <alanc> as always
[23:08:57] <SunTzuTech> I know.  me too.
[23:09:07] <alanc> brain thrashing with continual context switches between getting 2008.11 finished and getting Xorg 1.5 ready to go in for 2009.04
[23:09:28] <oxygene> .04? not 6 months again?
[23:09:29] <petenix> alanc: I have a repeatable freeze on my machine when running the distributed net client
[23:09:35] <petenix> it does not freeze when I leave it alone; only when I run this client
[23:10:02] <jbit> hi, i've been digging round the net for a while and got stuck. I pulled ON and compiled a custom ahci module, but now I'm having trouble finding a way to get it into the boot ramdisk safely, don't supose anybody has any pointers? ;)
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[23:10:16] <_setuid_H> good night guys. We have tomorrow an b100 celebration in a pub. :-) Glad to see my friends again
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[23:11:14] <alanc> oxygene: no, shifting schedule slightly, so 5 months this time, then back to 6
[23:12:05] <alanc> petenix: um, so don't run that client?  not sure I can really help with that
[23:12:16] <petenix> alanc: well, it's a solaris problem
[23:12:26] <alanc> if the kernel is freezing, you need a kernel person, not me
[23:12:41] <petenix> I have no idea what is freezing, but I just know that if I don't run distributed net, it can do days of uptime
[23:12:46] <petenix> if I run distributed net, it crashes within the hour
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[23:13:23] <e^ipi> so maybe your ram is borked
[23:13:29] <petenix> no, I ran memtest86
[23:13:34] <petenix> it made 9 successful passes
[23:14:11] <e^ipi> aside for the moment that memtest is a blunt instrument and doesn't really do a whole heck of a lot of good
[23:14:26] <jbit> (the reason i'm modifying the ahci driver is because opensolaris seems to lock up when using an SB700 southbridge and a 64bit kernel with >2gbytes of ram)
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[23:16:17] <e^ipi> jbit, the content of the boot archive is specified in /boot/solaris/filelist.ramdisk
[23:17:31] <jbit> (I should say that i'm newish to solaris and have never messed with the kernel/etc before ;)
[23:18:56] <jbit> e^ipi: will grub pick up on the updated boot archive if i just run "create_ramdisk"?
[23:19:15] <e^ipi> it will pick up the updated archive if your reboot normally
[23:19:20] <e^ipi> ( with shutdown or init )
[23:19:22] <jbk> or use bootadm update-archive
[23:19:23] <jbk> iirc
[23:19:27] <e^ipi> or that, yes
[23:19:34] <jbit> ah
[23:19:53] <jbit> is there anyway to make a new entry in grub so i can roll back to the current boot archive if all goes to hell
[23:21:13] <jbk> are you using opensolaris or sxce?
[23:21:19] <jbk> and if sxce, did you use zfs root?
[23:21:21] <jbit> opensolaris
[23:21:50] <jbk> i can't remember the subcommand, but what you want to do is use beadm
[23:21:57] <jbit> i do have zfs root, and i just realised that i can do a "normal" system image thing to roll back ;)
[23:22:02] <jbk> clone the existing environment
[23:22:06] <jbit> right
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[23:22:20] <jbk> mount it, make your changes there (can do bootadm update-archive -R /mnt/of/alt_root)
[23:22:23] <jbk> then unmount
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[23:22:32] <jbk> and it should have it display in the grub menu for you already
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[23:22:46] <jbit> thanks :)
[23:23:15] <jbk> makes it fairly easy
[23:23:45] <jbit> indeed, still getting used to everything in solaris
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[23:24:58] <e^ipi> that's pretty normal
[23:25:29] <jbit> hacking a kernel driver when i'm still a solaris newbie is probably a bad idea, but it's nice to get right to buisness sometimes ;P
[23:25:37] <jbit> also a really fun way to find out how everything works
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[23:26:22] <jbk> i do think having such abilities (clone /, modify, boot, rollback) could prove very advantageous for development
[23:26:32] <jbk> less fear of bricking things
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[23:26:39] <jbit> yeah, its bailed me out before actually
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[23:26:56] <Suhail> SunTzuTech: Still get sed: command garbled: s:
[23:27:04] <jbk> well time for me to go home..
[23:27:06] <e^ipi> jbk, i do that a lot actually
[23:27:11] <jbk> bbl..
[23:27:24] <e^ipi> BFU destroys the package archive, so a snapshot before you BFU is quite helpful
[23:27:32] <Suhail> SunTzuTech: Happens on everything I try to make
[23:27:36] <Suhail> or gmake
[23:28:18] <jbit> okay, time to reboot the machine and see if it now works with ahci ;P
[23:30:54] <Suhail> SunTzuTech: After I change to gsed: gsed: -e expression #1, char 2: unterminated `s' command
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[23:32:11] <jbit> hrm, it didn't work, but i'm thinking this has more to do with grub now pointing to the wrong device
[23:32:36] <jbit> so i guess i need to fire up a bootcd and run update_grub or whatever from there with the controller in ahci mode
[23:33:52] <SunTzuTech> Suhail: did you check the ../src/build.mk file?
[23:34:59] <SunTzuTech> Suhail: you should probably mv this source out of the way, and unroll the tarball again so you don't run into any more self inflicted gunshot wounds
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[23:35:27] <Suhail> SunTzuTech: haha, I did
[23:35:30] <Suhail> I restarted
[23:35:39] <Suhail> changed everything in a one file to gsed
[23:35:43] <Suhail> I get a new error
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[23:36:14] <SunTzuTech> Suhail: didn't you read that it's mult-filed Makefile system, so that means there are *multiple* makefiles
[23:36:27] <Suhail> Right
[23:36:30] <Suhail> SunTzuTech: http://pastie.org/303604
[23:36:45] <Suhail> Let's start with this
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[23:36:57] <SunTzuTech> changing it in one file isn't going to make a difference until you fix all the files, or makes sure that GNU-ish sed is in your path *first*
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[23:37:05] <SunTzuTech> no. I'm tired of handholding
[23:37:16] <Suhail> okay
[23:38:14] <Suhail> I already did a recursive search for all the 'sed's and replaced them
[23:38:17] <Suhail> in all the make files
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[23:38:29] <pjfloyd> Suhail: are you sure that none of the make variables in the sed command contain semicolons?
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[23:39:13] <Suhail> pjfloyd: I see some with semi-colons
[23:39:16] <duncan_16> feel bad doing this in this manner, but was wondering if anyone in here was looking for some older sun hardware?  i've got some stuff that I want to sell off, since I have to abandon and fully go over to using x86 stuff.  all my work currently is done in the SMB market, and they don't want solutions developed on sun systems... go figure ;)
[23:39:21] <pjfloyd> since the replace command is using ;s for delimiters, then that might cause a problem
[23:40:26] <petenix> What package contains the jdk for solaris?
[23:40:27] <Suhail> pjfloyd: do you mean for commands that are doing gsed <foobar>; gsed <barfoo> ?
[23:40:38] <Suhail> pjfloyd: If so, I got to those as well
[23:41:06] <Suhail> pjfloyd: else: gsed -e 's;%VSN%;$(VSN);' $< > $@ <-- has a semi-colo...
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[23:41:23] <pjfloyd> no, sed 's;find;$REPLACE;', if $REPLACE contains any semicolons
[23:42:07] <Suhail> I can't have semi-colons in this makefile?
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[23:42:40] <pjfloyd> are you paying attention?
[23:42:54] <Suhail> pjfloyd: I am, that didn't make much sense to me
[23:43:13] <pjfloyd> I'll explain again
[23:43:16] <pjfloyd> really
[23:43:18] <pjfloyd> slowly
[23:43:29] <Suhail> I can't tell whether you're saying gsed commands cannot have semi-colons or you're saying that the replace in vim will mess up if there are semi-colons
[23:43:31] <pjfloyd> you have xommands like
[23:43:46] <pjfloyd> commands even
[23:43:55] <pjfloyd> sed 's;find;$(REPLACE);'
[23:44:15] <pjfloyd> here the ; is the sed delimiter for the s command
[23:44:31] <Suhail> ok
[23:44:35] <pjfloyd> it delimits the string to find from the string to replace it with
[23:44:53] <Suhail> like: gsed -e 's;%VSN%;$(VSN);' $< > $@
[23:44:55] <pjfloyd> and here the replacement is a make vaiable
[23:45:34] <pjfloyd> so what do you get, hypothetically, if the make variable itself includes a semicolon?
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[23:45:45] <Suhail> something messed up
[23:45:48] <pjfloyd> indeed
[23:45:56] <Suhail> Sorry I don't actually know how sed works ;)
[23:46:32] <pjfloyd> you should at least learn the basic commands like s and d
[23:46:39] <Suhail> I know s
[23:46:49] <Suhail> It's making sense now
[23:46:59] <Suhail> I have no clue what $(VSN) is
[23:47:09] <pjfloyd> I'm not saying that this is the problem, just a possibility
[23:47:18] <Suhail> Does this only mess up on solaris, because it works fine on other OS'
[23:47:33] <Suhail> Because it's probably not the problem then
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[23:47:55] <pjfloyd> make -p  | grep VSN
[23:48:26] * jbit vows never to make a server using commodity hardware again
[23:48:36] <Suhail> pjfloyd: http://pastie.org/303618
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[23:50:50] <Suhail> THRIFT_VSN = 0.1
[23:50:50] <Suhail> VSN = $(THRIFT_VSN)
[23:50:54] <Suhail> Might be helpful
[23:51:00] <Suhail> No semi-colons in that :P
[23:51:25] <Suhail> (pjfloyd)
[23:51:28] <pjfloyd> not really, it's "0.1"
[23:51:47] <Suhail> So not the problem =(
[23:53:49] <pjfloyd> make reads the entire makefile before evaluating recursive variables
[23:53:58] <pjfloyd> (soon time for bed for me)
[23:54:06] <pjfloyd> try a quick answer
[23:54:08] <Suhail> which I means I need to check every var :P
[23:54:13] <Suhail> gah
[23:54:19] <pjfloyd> whar is your $SHELL?
[23:54:31] <Suhail> bash
[23:54:34] <pjfloyd> env | grep SHELL
[23:54:40] <jbit> hrm, all the solaris bootcds i have try to load a 64bit kernel, which causes it to load the ahci driver, which causes lockup... anybody know if its possible to force a 32bit kernel from grub command line?
[23:54:47] <pjfloyd> drat
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[23:54:54] <Suhail> pjfloyd: SHELL=/opt/local/bin/bash
[23:55:16] <Suhail> pjfloyd: most of the file have headers that are /bin/sh
[23:55:32] <Suhail> probably has nothign to do with anything though in this case.
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[23:56:24] <pjfloyd> Suhail: no, $SHELL is important to make, it defined the shell that gets used for evaluating commands
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[23:56:41] <Suhail> heh
[23:57:13] <e^ipi> and if you don't qualify them with the path, sometimes defines which commands get used
[23:57:14] <pjfloyd> I was hoping you might be using something other than bash, which is often a source of problems when dealing with non-portable Linux code
[23:57:36] <e^ipi> ksh93 has most of the regular unix userland as a shell builtin so 'cat' doesn't call /usr/bin/cat it calls the function 'cat' in the shell
[23:57:36] <Suhail> sig
[23:57:38] <Suhail> sigh
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[23:59:54] <pjfloyd> all I can suggest is to do a "make -p > make.txt" and look through the make.txt file for errors (it'll be quite a big file)





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