[00:00:44] <flip> anyone have a dl spot for b98?
[00:00:45] <h3sp4wn> dusanyu: Unreasonable to expect a perfect build 8 (?) days after switching to a new compiler
[00:00:51] <e^ipi> there is some cleanup going on that will be reflected in 2008.11
[00:01:02] <e^ipi> because that will be an actual release
[00:01:22] <e^ipi> you run experimental code, sometimes you get burned... this is true of any piece of software
[00:01:35] <dusanyu> true
[00:01:55] <e^ipi> that said the solaris gates are remarkably clean for being experimental
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[00:02:06] <flip> i agre
[00:02:23] <flip> but that being said for some reason 200805 installs on every machine i have ever stuck it in
[00:02:26] <flip> except this one.
[00:02:28] <h3sp4wn> except even if you feel you should be burned zfs saves you (at least did me with mirrored drives zero problems)
[00:02:37] <flip> and ALL with sata.. except none i guess w/ nv_sata
[00:02:53] <flip> id like to get there h3sp4wn if the os will install
[00:02:54] <flip> lol
[00:03:04] <dusanyu> i think ill just respec my system later nad install this Solarus 10 11/6 Full Licance i have
[00:03:34] <e^ipi> dusanyu, that's pretty old, just wait a couple days until U6 is out and install the latest
[00:03:48] <dusanyu> (leagal in a box shiped to me by Sun)
[00:03:57] <e^ipi> it's all legal
[00:04:03] <e^ipi> it's free to download and use
[00:04:08] <flip> ya
[00:04:12] <flip> its all fully legal
[00:04:30] <alanc> groan:  "PSARC 2008/318 Boomer: Next Generation Solaris Audio"
[00:04:36] <dusanyu> well except for CDE :)
[00:05:25] <alanc> even CDE is legal to download and use, if you get it as part of Solaris 10 or Express
[00:05:44] <alanc> or as otherwise distributed by a CDE licensee such as Sun
[00:10:47] <dusanyu> so downloading this B99 is unlikely to solve my boot ishue
[00:11:06] <flip> so how old is b98?
[00:11:11] <flip> im downloading the iso's now
[00:11:17] <flip> to see if it changes anything
[00:11:24] <flip> my bad pbr sig issue
[00:12:22] <dusanyu> 8 GB of ram and FreeBSD asks me about swap :)
[00:13:24] <Kitty> dusanyu: I hit swap on 4gig relatively often
[00:13:51] <Kitty> 8 gig wouldn't be that hard to hit
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[00:13:57] <Kitty> one word: JAVA!
[00:14:04] <Aria> Better to swap out stuff you're not using so you can have a huge disk cache.
[00:14:11] <Aria> Swap is not dead. Long live swap!
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[00:15:11] <flip> i can find ZERO relavent cases of this bad pbr sig thing
[00:15:13] <flip> anywhere online
[00:15:20] <flip> lots of cases of people having dos
[00:15:27] <flip> or windows installed on the same disk
[00:15:32] <flip> my machine is strictly solaris
[00:15:41] <flip> there is no other OS installed on the box but this
[00:15:47] <e^ipi> flip, when the machine can't get a proper boot record out of the MBR blocks you get that
[00:15:50] <e^ipi> reinstall grub
[00:15:58] <flip> ive tried to reinstall grub
[00:16:06] <flip> but it brings me to the grub> prompt w/o a menu installed
[00:16:09] <e^ipi> so perhaps it's either the machine or the disk.
[00:16:21] <flip> if i boot manually w/ the kernel$ and module$ commands
[00:16:25] <flip> it craps into a trace immediately
[00:16:26] <flip> and fails
[00:16:28] <flip> ill try again
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[00:17:15] <dusanyu> well in this case its the installer i use a old 4GB SCSI drive for pure Swap space but the friver has to be compiled in after install
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[00:18:20] <flip> HOLY CRAP is this annoying
[00:18:37] <flip> coming from a system that usually works perfectly elsewhere to this
[00:18:42] <flip> quite annoying
[00:18:47] <flip> ill try and dump sata all together
[00:18:51] <flip> and install the OS on an ata drive
[00:18:53] <flip> see what that does
[00:19:35] <e^ipi> or alternately pick up an sil3114 card ( at $5-10 each )
[00:19:42] <e^ipi> could also be the bios
[00:19:46] <e^ipi> because x86 is retarded like that
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[00:21:15] <flip> dude ive been a sparc admin my whole life you dont have to spell out the retaredness of this platform to me
[00:21:19] <flip> :P
[00:21:29] <bda> Heh.
[00:21:58] <e^ipi> heh
[00:22:22] <tsoome> nah, i have been fighting with SLES last 2 days, thats *awful*
[00:22:47] <dusanyu> eww novell
[00:23:21] <tsoome> novell what, its damn linux..
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[00:23:54] <tsoome> +retarded admin tool called yast:D
[00:24:18] <dusanyu> not all linux distros are bad Slackware is rather nice
[00:24:31] <tsoome> its all the sam
[00:24:33] <tsoome> e
[00:24:39] <flip> ya i hadta build an sles system that meshed with active directory
[00:24:42] <flip> *shudder*
[00:24:47] <flip> and ya there all the same
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[00:26:06] <dusanyu> slackware abandons all "admin tools for a more trditional if you cant use vi or emacs your barking at the wrong OS
[00:26:23] <flip> oh it keeps getting f;n better
[00:26:25] <tsoome> it did reset at random places some 5-6 times, then it managed to lauch installer and installed itself - and failed to boot. put solaris dvd in and it told at once there is a broken hdd...
[00:26:39] <tsoome> there was 0 error messages from damn linux:D
[00:26:56] <dusanyu> have you tryed BSD?
[00:26:57] <flip> SO NOW
[00:27:06] <flip> i replaced all sata devices
[00:27:07] <flip> w/ ata
[00:27:17] <flip> i have an 80gb ata hdd and a ata dvdrom
[00:27:22] <flip> bios shows NO DISKS
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[00:27:27] <tsoome> i have macos as desktop;)
[00:27:32] <flip> me to
[00:27:35] <e^ipi> flip, i told you, it sounds like the machine
[00:27:36] <flip> im talking to you on it right now
[00:27:45] <e^ipi> now, it sounds like it's the bios
[00:27:46] <flip> e^ipi: i hope not brand new machine :(
[00:27:59] <e^ipi> flip, ever heard of a bathtub curve?
[00:27:59] <tsoome> and yea, i started with sun 3 + freebsd + netbsd:D
[00:28:04] <flip> e^ipi: i have :P
[00:28:05] <e^ipi> brand new is precisely when things fail
[00:28:23] <dusanyu> I did the mac thing got fed up with it
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[00:29:04] <tsoome> nah, it does the job and thats all i need. i cant stand the gnome/kde anyhow:P
[00:29:16] <flip> me neither
[00:29:21] <dusanyu> by the time i sold my Macs they were useing X11 and fvwm :P
[00:30:23] <tsoome> i did wait long enough to get panther as my own very first macos:D
[00:31:07] <dusanyu> what lilled the mac for me any how was thwere was no upgrade path that avoided x86
[00:32:03] <flip> i swapped the master and slave jumpers
[00:32:10] <flip> on the dvdrom and the hdd
[00:32:12] <flip> see what happens there
[00:32:13] <flip> shit
[00:32:16] <flip> still no disks
[00:32:31] <dusanyu> so i figured if i had to go that rute may as well buy the cheeper hardware
[00:32:32] <bda> dusanyu: wah wah wah
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[00:34:57] <evocallaghan> Anyone know how one can pick out the status of the battery in solaris ?
[00:35:18] <evocallaghan> Such as "hw.sensors.acpibat0.watthour0 " in openbsd
[00:36:12] <tsoome> afaik there is no decent interface to get it
[00:36:49] <tsoome> i recall having seen some apps for it but...
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[00:38:12] <flip> OK
[00:38:15] <flip> got all the disks working
[00:38:19] <flip> reinstalling........... again
[00:38:28] <flip> from the b99 dvd
[00:38:47] <flip> all ata system now
[00:38:56] <flip> wont add the sata disks until after its installed
[00:39:35] <evocallaghan> sxce 101 is out some time today I think ..
[00:39:46] <alanc> evocallaghan: I think you have to use HAL to get it
[00:39:55] <evocallaghan> # Network
[00:39:55] <evocallaghan> eval `ifstat -i em0,wpi0 0.1 1 | awk '/[^a-z][0-9\.]+/ {print "EM0DOWN=" $1 "; EM0UP=" $2 "; WPI0DOWN=" $3 "; WPI0UP=" $4}'`
[00:39:59] <evocallaghan> alanc:Hi
[00:40:08] <evocallaghan> Yea, I need to conver that as well
[00:40:09] <alanc> I thought SXCE releases were normally Friday, not Monday
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[00:40:35] <evocallaghan> alanc:I need to speak to you about imake
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[00:41:01] <evocallaghan> alanc:Do you know FOSSnas in our kde4 project ?
[00:41:01] <alanc> I'm sorry, I didn't mean to inflict imake on anyone
[00:41:14] <alanc> nope
[00:41:15] <evocallaghan> It still uses imake and needs to be converted.
[00:41:33] <evocallaghan> What's the best way ?
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[00:42:17] <alanc> find someone who knows autoconf/automake (or whatever KDE uses - cmake I think?) and buy them tequila
[00:42:28] <flip> now im getting tons of errors
[00:42:36] <flip> error for command 'read sector' error level
[00:42:47] <flip> but it seems to be still going
[00:42:49] <flip> *shrug*
[00:43:11] <evocallaghan> alanc:Well I was asking you as you work on the xorg project. So I though you would know how to mirgate imake to auto tools
[00:43:46] <alanc> we got a bunch of people, had them look at each Imakefile and write an equivalent Makefile.am for automake
[00:43:53] <evocallaghan> alanc:I was unable to find anything on the xorg wiki
[00:43:55] <alanc> there was no magic or secret, just manual labor
[00:44:07] <evocallaghan> ok
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[00:44:36] <flip> if this doesnt work
[00:44:40] <evocallaghan> I was thinking you may of had a infomation page that gives a gudeline for it
[00:44:44] <flip> im sending all these parts back to newegg for a refund
[00:44:47] <flip> and buying a sun
[00:45:16] <alanc> http://www.x.org/wiki/NewModuleGuidelines & http://www.x.org/wiki/ModularDevelopersGuide are the ones I remember from when we did it
[00:45:21] <alanc> it's been a couple of years
[00:46:55] <evocallaghan> alanc:Not _much_ info there, but i'll leave them open and read them tonight
[00:47:06] <evocallaghan> alanc:Next on the list of questions for you; xcb
[00:47:25] <evocallaghan> Are you or do you know of anyone working on it to get it into FOX ?
[00:47:51] <alanc> steleman is signed up for that bit of fun
[00:48:01] <alanc> but he's having far too much fun with gcc 4 first
[00:48:11] <evocallaghan> yea, he is on my google talk list, I will get back to him later
[00:48:23] <steleman> alanc: im doing xcb ? :-D
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[00:48:31] <MindDrive> *ears perk* gcc 4 is coming to OpenSolaris?
[00:48:36] <alanc> steleman: that's what bugster says 8-)
[00:48:41] <evocallaghan> steleman:Hey
[00:48:44] <steleman> alanc: okies then! :-D
[00:48:53] <steleman> evocallaghan: hey
[00:48:58] <evocallaghan> steleman:I did a _bit_ of work on it
[00:49:00] <evocallaghan> already
[00:49:06] <steleman> MindDrive: yes gcc 4.3.2 is coming to OpenSolaris and Nevada
[00:49:11] <evocallaghan> As I am getting the awesome wm to work on solaris
[00:49:15] <evocallaghan> btw, hello :p
[00:49:17] <alanc> I thought you volunteered - I don't remember being anywhere near angry enough at you to sign you up for it...
[00:49:24] <steleman> alanc: yes i ddi
[00:49:27] <steleman> yes i did
[00:49:45] <MindDrive> Steleman: Glad to hear that!
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[00:49:48] <steleman> alanc: along GLEW
[00:49:49] <evocallaghan> steleman:I am willing to step up and get that done !
[00:50:07] <evocallaghan> But I will prob need your help with the FOX build system and such
[00:50:30] <steleman> evocallaghan: FOX build system is pretty friendly actually
[00:50:53] <steleman> evocallaghan: no mysterious juju
[00:50:56] <evocallaghan> I got a spec file done for awesome wm and I am doing some neat default configs for it
[00:51:03] <evocallaghan> lol
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[00:51:19] <evocallaghan> yea, well I am going to need to get this xcb done asap
[00:51:31] <evocallaghan> also got to get nas fixed with luc^
[00:51:47] <evocallaghan> alancNext; building FOX blows up..
[00:51:51] <steleman> evocallaghan: why is everyone so in luuuv with NAS ?
[00:51:58] <steleman> evocallaghan: it only plays *.wav files
[00:52:02] <evocallaghan> lol !
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[00:52:26] <alanc> evocallaghan: yeah, well martin's been busy putting lots of changes in
[00:52:26] <flip> ok
[00:52:28] <flip> didnt even install
[00:52:28] <evocallaghan> steleman:I mean Lukcus from #kde-solaris ;)
[00:52:35] <alanc> I haven't been keeping up with it
[00:52:37] <flip> nowwww im trying the 2008-05 dvd
[00:52:38] <steleman> evocallaghan: yah i know
[00:52:40] <flip> on the all ata config
[00:52:43] <flip> seeing what that does
[00:52:47] <evocallaghan> alanc:This has been happening before martin
[00:52:53] <alanc> don't really do much with fox right now, as I said on the mailing list
[00:53:00] <flip> wow RIGHT into the gui
[00:53:10] <alanc> gotta run to meeting now
[00:53:29] <evocallaghan> alanc:ta, I still have a few more for you.. can you maybe later
[00:53:31] <flip> WHO was having the opensolaris install problem where it asks for a maintence password??
[00:53:41] <flip> instead of booting into the login console
[00:53:44] <evocallaghan> steleman:So whats your status of xcb ?
[00:54:04] <evocallaghan> flip:filesystem check maybe ?
[00:54:10] <flip> no no
[00:54:13] <bundiman> hello, i have an app which requires an older version of a library included with the gcc package from sunfreeware. what is best practice for adding a shared library to a solaris system?
[00:54:14] <flip> someone in here was having this issue
[00:54:21] <flip> and the answer is to pull all your sata devices
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[00:54:51] <evocallaghan> bundiman:maybe just ln -s it
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[00:55:13] <tsoome> who asked for battery status? http://blogs.sun.com/jyothi/entry/battery_information_for_your_laptop
[00:55:41] <evocallaghan> I think i am going to be sick :p
[00:55:52] <evocallaghan> tsoome:Me, thanks!
[00:55:56] <nibbler> tsoome: handy. thanks.
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[00:56:02] <tsoome> man google:D
[00:56:02] <bundiman> evocallaghan: so it's acceptable to just grab the specific missing library from the previous gcc package, whack it in the apps dir and ln -s it?
[00:56:21] <tsoome> and its from 2007;) so it may be quite outdated tho...
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[00:57:21] <evocallaghan> tsoome:man page not found 'google'
[00:57:35] <martman> i just installed opensolaris in vmware workstation and i get a IP address, I can even ssh into the VM, but it cant connected to the internet
[00:57:41] <martman> anyone know what it might be?
[00:57:43] <evocallaghan> bundiman:man ldd
[00:57:44] <tsoome> right... need to file rfe
[00:58:09] <evocallaghan> martman:hostname resolving
[00:58:27] <evocallaghan> can you nslookup www.google.com and try doing dig
[00:58:31] <evocallaghan> then ping
[00:58:39] <evocallaghan> then standard thing to do you know ..
[00:58:42] <evocallaghan> s/the
[00:58:56] <bundiman> evocallaghan: thank you, that's all i was looking for :)
[00:58:58] <martman> evocallaghan i cant ping google or anyone else
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[00:59:13] <CIA-58> Krishna Elango <Krishna.Elango at Sun dot COM>: 6762840 pcie_pci returns incorrect FMA capability in its fm_init bus_ops, 6756592 PlatinumII panics assertion failed: B_FALSE, file: ../../common/io/pcie_fault.c, line: 339
[00:59:15] <CIA-58> Nobutomo Nakano <Nobutomo.Nakano at Sun dot COM>: 6743723 strncpy() dumps core on Solaris 10 x86-64
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[00:59:36] <martman> nslookup looks like it gets a IP though
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[00:59:45] <martman> 64.223.169.104
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[01:00:01] <nibbler> tsoome: nah - i just never got the idea that i am missing battery information ;)
[01:00:05] <martman> *233
[01:00:19] <martman> which is correct
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[01:00:43] <tsoome> tbh, its pretty stupid  the solaris is sill missing  acpi tools for data like this;)
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[01:01:34] <nibbler> that however is true
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[01:01:59] <martman> not sure what else to try now
[01:02:16] <tsoome> altho, never checked, maybe there is something included with gnome... but doubt ...
[01:05:19] <nibbler> well if something was included gnome would feature a battery symbol which... it doesn't :-/
[01:05:44] <nibbler> +in
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[01:15:18] <evocallaghan> gnome --
[01:15:21] <jbalint> Hi
[01:15:25] <evocallaghan> awsome ++
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[01:16:38] <jbalint> how do i use 64bit Crun? i have -lCrun but /usr/ccs/bin/ld says its not found. running file on /lib/libCrun says 32bit
[01:19:05] <nrubsig> Does anyone know what's going on with http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/27/sun_transformation_coming/ ?
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[01:24:44] <MindDrive> Other than it's The Register reporting, which means take everything with a truckload of salt?
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[01:25:32] <flip> ok so i got it installed... sorry the newbie question but is there a way to update solaris like you do w/ the linux os'
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[01:25:41] <flip> i know os200805 has an apt-like thing working for it
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[01:25:48] <flip> im new to post sol10 boxes to be honest :P
[01:26:05] <e^ipi> and that if anyone did know it'd either already be in the news, or could be construed as a securities violation ?
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[01:47:43] <rwanderley> hi, I'm new to opensolaris, came from Linux and am enjoying it a lot.  Already read a few tutorials at linked at opensolaris.org and am wondering if you guys can point me to a book like documentation for this system, where I can understand how the system works as a whole.
[01:48:21] <bubbva> welcome rwanderley!
[01:48:39] <rwanderley> thanks
[01:48:49] <_mary_kate_> rwanderley: http://docs.sun.com has manuals for solaris 10 and solaris express
[01:48:57] <_mary_kate_> if you're using 2008.05, it's slightly different, but mostly the same
[01:49:13] <rwanderley> I'm at svn 99
[01:49:41] <rwanderley> but I think this is 2008.05, just more updated, right?
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[01:50:30] <crichardso> yes
[01:50:32] <crichardso> exit
[01:50:35] <trygvis> opensolaris 2008.05 and sxce are two different distributions of opensolaris
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[01:52:32] <rwanderley> ok, got it.  nice to find all those docs in one place.
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[01:56:35] <alanc> nrubsig: if anyone knew what was really happening from that story, and said anything here, they'd probably go to jail for insider trading
[01:57:10] <nrubsig> *glup*
[01:57:13] <nrubsig> ok
[01:57:16] <bubbva> but really, anyone who would know anything... would they be hanging out on IRC? :-)
[01:57:37] <sickness> hi nrubsig :)
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[01:57:55] <alanc> true, the exec's don't IRC much
[01:59:17] <nrubsig> alanc: any idea what's wrong with drone ?
[02:01:09] <alanc> he missed you and went to find you?
[02:01:17] <alanc> haven't heard anything
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[02:29:12] <nachox> is it possible to download the case materials of an opensolaris-arc PSARC?
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[02:35:27] <petenix> My machine just froze
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[02:35:43] <petenix> this was also happening in ubuntu; hoped that solaris would have fixed it
[02:35:56] <petenix> not sure why; it works perfectly and then just freezes
[02:36:06] <trygvis> sounds like faulty hardware
[02:36:19] <topgun17> SunOS prudent 5.11 snv_99 i86pc i386 i86pc
[02:36:37] <petenix> the dmesg of linux kept complaining about failing to trigger a fan
[02:36:45] <petenix> but I see no such complaint via solaris
[02:36:56] <petenix> ACPI was messed up on linux
[02:37:01] <petenix> This may be overheating
[02:45:03] <alanc> nachox: they should be posted under the case id in the arc community on opensolaris.org
[02:46:58] <nachox> alanc, the one i'm looking for is rather particular, garret posted them today, it's part of boomer, i'm not sure there is an official case
[02:49:23] <petenix> so I am going to run this machine and look at the bios to see if the core temps go up
[02:49:37] <petenix> other than that, I have no idea how to debug such a problem
[02:50:04] <alanc> nachox: boomer has a case id, but the script to mirror ARC case materials out to opensolaris.org is slow and only run once or twice a day, so it may take some time for them to appear
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[02:50:40] <alanc> plus he has to edit out all those nekkid cylon screen grabs he put in....
[02:50:47] <nachox> alanc, it's not in the list of cases, but i use the case id in the url it works :) thansk
[02:50:51] <nachox> *thanks
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[02:51:47] <petenix> alright
[02:52:04] <petenix> a system fan and cpu fan are both running and the cpu temp is not increasing dramatically
[02:52:26] <petenix> anyone wanna help me to debug this machine? linux also gave me trouble ... but it was running windows fine before
[02:52:33] <alanc> seems to be in the case list on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2008/
[02:53:00] <petenix> I can retrieve dmesg info if necessary
[02:56:35] <e^ipi> sounds like a shitty acpi implementation
[02:56:56] <e^ipi> the bios might have some settings with respect to fans
[02:57:09] <e^ipi> just crank them up to full
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[02:58:55] <Doc> where's a good/fast place to buy ADSL hardware from in australia?
[02:59:05] <CIA-58> Pawel Wojcik <Pawel.Wojcik at Sun dot COM>: 6746305 Faulty disk with marvell driver fails silently and prevents system booting, 6756023 sata should not fail drives that are accessible but failed default or restored feature setting, 6764106 sata does not pass warlock test - mutex side effects in sata_txlt_write_buffer
[02:59:28] <Doc> blah.. wrong channel...
[03:00:37] <nrubsig> alanc: Is linker alien still around ?
[03:02:01] <alanc> not quite sure what you're asking - the linker aliens are still hanging out on the tools-linker-discuss alias, and still hacking on the linkers - Ali filed a new ARC case recently for more linker changes
[03:02:19] <nrubsig> "* NOTE: sun4 runtime link botches ro data so advertised sig_info is rw"
[03:02:29] <alanc> not sure if they're around right at this minute, since it's 7pm (1900h) here, 8pm (2000h) in Colorado
[03:02:31] <nrubsig> alanc: I remeber that bug
[03:02:50] <nrubsig> alanc: the issue is that the linker maps some ro stuff as rw
[03:03:09] <nrubsig> if Solaris wouldn't use copy-on-write for pages this would be a problem...
[03:03:25] <alanc> so have you mailed the linker mailing list about it?
[03:03:25] <nrubsig> (dinosaur-sized)
[03:03:40] <nrubsig> not yet
[03:03:53] <nrubsig> technically I'm not even subscribed, just to tools-compilers
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[03:04:25] <alanc> or filed a bug?  (is there a bug id for that already?)
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[03:05:29] <nrubsig> alanc: not yet since this one was hidden in my head since _months_ (originally Glenn Fowler stumbled over that bug, wrote the comment and then ignored it)
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[03:06:48] <nrubsig> and you know: My brain is currently occupied by garbage, baby stuff and other things and somewhere in a dark corner is hide the shivering remains of what was once someone capable of writing code
[03:08:37] <alanc> but you've survived the first 2 months of fatherhood - only 18 more years or so before she's ready to move out...
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[03:12:04] <_mary_kate_> how do i contact the owner of genunix.org?
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[03:14:24] <alanc> _mary_kate_: send mail to Al or Ben
[03:14:26] <jamesd> _mary_kate_, find out who  that is.. last i heard it was denis clarke
[03:14:45] <alanc> Dennis owned the domain name, Al owned the machines, Ben helped run them
[03:14:45] <_mary_kate_> alanc: i don't know who those people are.  do you have an email address?
[03:15:09] <nrubsig> _mary_kate_: what's wrong with genunix.org ?
[03:15:21] <_mary_kate_> nrubsig: it serves .iso files as text/plain
[03:15:49] <alanc> _mary_kate_: oh, for that, why not mail the webmaster address listed on their front page?
[03:16:19] <nrubsig> alanc: Well, yes... we surived that but with lots of collateral damage to other people... ;-(
[03:16:39] <alanc> and how can you not know who Ben Rockwood or Al Hopper are?
[03:16:46] * alanc is shocked...
[03:16:54] <nrubsig> _mary_kate_ == alien from mars ?
[03:17:52] <alanc> benr at cuddletech dot com, al at logical-approach dot com
[03:18:14] <_mary_kate_> alanc: i don't read any of the lists anymore, stopped tracking who people are
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[03:22:47] <nachox> it's not like ben or al are the new kids on the block anyway, both have been ogb members too
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[03:25:35] <_mary_kate_> ogb?  hmm.. i think i remember that being formed, didn't hear anything since
[03:26:35] <alanc> benr started this IRC channel I think
[03:26:45] <alanc> though he's not around as much anymore
[03:27:15] <topgun17> I got opensolaris SVM_99 (code name Indiana  running on my Pavillion a6230n
[03:28:56] <flip> i got os0805 all installed and working ... i somehow however... didnt make myself an "authorized user"
[03:29:03] <flip> i cant su... anyway to change this?
[03:29:15] <flip> i cant ssh as root or login locally as root
[03:29:20] <flip> at the gdm
[03:29:30] <petenix> the bios has no settings
[03:29:32] <petenix> wrt fans
[03:32:00] <alanc> flip: can you pfexec commands?  (i.e. run a command as root by putting pfexec in front of it, kind of like sudo)
[03:32:14] <flip> ah
[03:32:25] <flip> i can
[03:32:30] <alanc> that's the default configuration, for the user created in install
[03:32:31] <flip> pfexec ls does what it should
[03:32:53] <flip>  /etc/user_attr shows me as Console User,Primary Administrator
[03:32:56] <flip> but i cant su
[03:33:04] <alanc> "pfexec id" is a useful test too
[03:33:17] <flip> mars% pfexec id
[03:33:17] <flip> uid=0(root) gid=0(root)
[03:33:19] <flip> :F
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[03:33:24] <alanc> hmm, "pfexec su" on my indiana box just gives me a root shell
[03:33:35] <flip> me to
[03:33:36] <flip> LO
[03:33:37] <flip> :P
[03:33:43] <flip> butt i know i should be able to su
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[03:34:28] <petenix> is this bad: Oct 28 02:32:23 rothbard /usr/lib/power/powerd: [ID 387247 daemon.error] Able to open /dev/srn
[03:34:34] <alanc> may need to enable the root account - it's off by default, expecting you to pfexec instead
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[03:35:24] <flip> alanc: no i was able to su.. i deleted my account and recreated it
[03:35:27] <flip> prob stupid
[03:35:30] <alanc> being able to open it doesn't sound like an error - /dev/srn is how programs are notified of suspend and resume (srn = suspend-and-resume notification)
[03:35:32] <flip> but now from this new user i cant su
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[03:36:11] <alanc> weird
[03:36:18] <petenix> alanc: I am having trouble with my machine freezing
[03:36:33] <petenix> I am unsure as to why it is freezing, but it did the same thing on linux
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[03:42:52] <petenix> is there a way I can force the machine to not go into suspend mode?
[03:42:58] <petenix> I am not sure if it is failing to wake up or what
[03:43:22] <dasbox> trouble with wireless.......why doesn't build 97 have wpa2
[03:43:24] <nrubsig> alanc: isn't suspend/resume notification done via SIGTHAW and SIGFREEZE ?
[03:43:47] <petenix> admittedly, windows had similar problems
[03:44:01] <petenix> the guy who gave me this was reporting flaky behavior under windows, but it's such a good machine, I want to know what's actually the problem
[03:44:16] <petenix> I am thinking maybe ram, so is there a way I can check that?
[03:45:14] <alanc> nrubsig: that's the old way - /dev/srn is what the new suspend-to-ram on x86 uses (similar to what linux called /dev/apm)
[03:45:55] <petenix> let me check my ram via memtest86
[03:46:00] <alanc> petenix: an x86 laptop shouldn't be suspending unless you tell it too
[03:46:03] * petenix will get back to you
[03:46:08] <petenix> alanc: it's a desktop workstation
[03:46:33] <dasbox> I remember reading that build 93+ will have support for WPA2...
[03:46:54] <jbk> it may depend on the driver
[03:47:11] <jbk> it has to set the flags to say it supports it IIRC
[03:47:19] <jbk> if it hasn't been updated
[03:47:23] <jbk> might be the problem
[03:48:18] <dasbox> thanks jbk
[03:48:41] <jbk> which driver?
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[03:48:48] <dasbox> rum
[03:48:54] <jbk> rum?
[03:48:58] <jbk> sounds fun
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[03:49:57] <dasbox> rum for ralink chipsets rt2573
[03:50:13] <jbk> not ral?
[03:50:56] <dasbox> I was thinking of using ral, but all  the blurb said rum
[03:51:37] <dasbox> ural... that is. The device is usb
[03:51:55] <jbk> ral appears to support wpa/wpa2, but don't know if it support your chip
[03:52:03] <jbk> i don't see a rum driver in the source tree
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[03:55:38] <sstallion> evening all
[03:57:35] <jbk> hey sstallion
[03:57:41] <sstallion> jbk: how goes it ?
[03:58:02] <sstallion> food poisoning sucks
[03:58:10] <jbk> ouch :(
[03:58:11] <sstallion> I think jack in the box has made the official ban list
[03:58:12] <jbk> alright
[03:58:12] <Plazma> bah
[03:58:14] <Plazma> that sucks
[03:58:28] <Plazma> sstallion your the 10th person to tell me about food poisoning from JITB
[03:58:38] <jbk> btw, your dnet driver fixed my friends strange dhcp issues he was having
[03:58:39] <sstallion> Plazma: doesnt surprise me
[03:58:48] <sstallion> jbk: no kidding? I really need to get that integrated
[03:58:48] <jbk> heh
[03:58:51] <Plazma> sstallion yea i hear they like killed some kids due to that back in the day
[03:58:53] <jbk> i've been lucky
[03:58:59] <jbk> though i don't go to jack in the box too often
[03:59:04] <CIA-58> bo zhou - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Bo.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: 6758700 st has no quiesce()
[03:59:05] <CIA-58> lucy wang - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <xiuyan.wang at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2008/045 NetXen 10 Gigabit Ethernet Driver, 6472698 NetXen 1Gb/10Gb nic driver
[03:59:13] <jbk> i did one day after ike since it was the closest thing open
[03:59:20] <sstallion> jbk: neither do I, but we were heading to a party and wanted something quick
[03:59:35] <sstallion> heh I remember asking 'honey, why do these egg rolls taste so funny'
[03:59:40] <sstallion> I got my answer a few hours later
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[03:59:53] <Plazma> blah
[04:00:02] <jbk> ick
[04:00:12] <Plazma> sstallion the one here htey don't even use gloves to put the frozen foods in the cookers.. that groses me right out
[04:00:16] <sstallion> so sick I couldnt code... thats sick :)
[04:00:19] <Plazma> frozen or not, i don't know where htere hands have been
[04:00:46] <sstallion> well, were taking it as a sign and cleaning up our diet... both of us have gained a lot of weight since college
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[04:01:21] <Plazma> sstallion yea im with ya there, i rarley eat fast food these days.. due to the nature of the preservatives in it  + the fact 1 sandwhich is 600-900 calories
[04:01:25] <Plazma> thats ALOT in one sitting
[04:01:35] <sstallion> jbk: dnet is just terrible when it comes to dhcp, I've had fits with it here during testing
[04:01:41] <jbk> i try to avoid it as well
[04:01:49] <sstallion> yeah
[04:02:19] <sstallion> I think thats because it generally takes around 30 seconds for dnet to actually settle and begin sending/recving traffic
[04:02:35] <sstallion> and since dhcp is generall configured so soon after a plumb, I imagine that is whats breaking
[04:02:45] <sstallion> generally rather
[04:03:14] <sstallion> jbk: how goes ll discovery ?
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[04:03:43] * sstallion wants cdp support ;)
[04:03:48] <jbk> haven't done much with it.. my current laptop is becoming increasingly unusuable
[04:03:56] <jbk> so i need to replace it
[04:03:59] <sstallion> havent ordered a new one yet ?
[04:04:20] <jbk> no, still haven't decided what to get and how much i want to spend
[04:05:06] <sstallion> thinkpads are fairly solid
[04:05:09] <sstallion> dells arent too terrible
[04:05:45] <jbk> i've been toying wtih the idea of a mbp...
[04:06:05] <sstallion> thats what I did... I've been pretty happy
[04:06:15] <sstallion> good hardware, and virtualizes well
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[04:06:30] <sstallion> the new mbp's are dead sexy too ;)
[04:06:49] <jbk> yeah, but do i want to pay the extra $$ or spend a bit less and get the old generation...
[04:06:55] <sstallion> well
[04:07:07] <sstallion> the hardware hasnt changed much in the last two gens
[04:07:25] <sstallion> usually there is a bigger gap, but this revision is mostly cosmetic from what I have seen
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[04:11:32] <flip> $ zfs set sharesmb=on blah/blah/blah
[04:11:36] <flip> is that syntax right?
[04:11:47] <flip> i keep getting cannot share smb add share failed :F
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[04:20:06] <Triskelios> flip: make sure the zpool and zfs version is recent enough
[04:24:24] <flip> Triskelios: samba wasnt installed :P
[04:24:26] <flip> Triskelios: i got it
[04:25:11] <Triskelios> flip: uh... no you don't. samba isn't used to serve SMB/CIFS; the native CIFS service is
[04:26:44] <flip> uhhh oops?
[04:26:51] <flip> i installed it though and the error went away?
[04:26:57] <flip> should i uninstall it?
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[04:37:44] <petenix> doesn't look like the ram is going to be a problem
[04:37:59] <petenix> I am 78% finished memtest86 and there are no errors so far
[04:38:11] <petenix> what could cause this problem, if it's not the ram?
[04:40:35] <topgun17> any clues tas to how I can get adobe flash player working in Firefox?
[04:41:39] <e^ipi> yes, you read the instructions
[04:41:46] <e^ipi> it's pretty simple
[04:44:52] <Triskelios> flip: doesn't matter, samba still has useful tools to check the server config
[04:46:03] <Triskelios> petenix: make sure nothing's overheating. I would check the CPU next...
[04:47:00] <topgun17> her is the paste bin of the results http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1238400
[04:47:32] <Triskelios> topgun17: it's not a zip file
[04:47:50] <Triskelios> topgun17: and you typoed the filename anyway
[04:48:42] <Triskelios> topgun17: use the gnome archiver GUI if you don't know unix commands at all...
[04:48:50] <topgun17> so i need to install bunzip?
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[04:49:16] <Triskelios> you don't need to install anything
[04:50:04] <petenix> it just completed one full pass of memory without any errors
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[04:50:19] <petenix> Triskelios: I doubt it's the cpu; there's a cpu fan
[04:50:33] <petenix> and a system fan
[04:51:00] <topgun17> I was able to open the archie  with gnome archiver where do i put the two files it contains?
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[04:53:03] <Triskelios> topgun17: ~/.mozilla/plugins will do (you can also do /usr/lib/firefox/plugins if you copy it with pfexec/as root)
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[04:56:59] <alanc> guess I was wrong and SXCE 101 was due out today
[04:57:05] *** alanc changes topic to "SXCE 101, ON 101, IPS 99 || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca"
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[04:58:09] <alanc> (for western hemispherical values of "today")
[04:59:03] <CIA-58> Brian Kuyper <Brian.Kuyper at Sun dot COM>: 6703197 MM isn't checking database to see if it needs to be upgraded or downgraded
[04:59:58] <topgun17> what vcommand do i issue to launch the pilmanage vi terminel?
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[05:04:26] <eviljames> I'm sure this is a bit of a subjective question, but I'm testing OpenSolaris 2008.05 on a misc. tower.  It seems sluggish, but I feel that the hw in question shouldn't quite drag this bad..
[05:04:52] <eviljames> For the record, I recognize this machine kinda sucks -- Celeron 2.0GHz, 400MHz FSB, 1GB ram.
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[05:06:29] <eviljames> So, the actual questions: Should it be slow under these circumstances?  Should gnome-system-monitor be using 20+% CPU?
[05:06:47] <x58> eviljames: I am running OpenSolaris on a 2.4 Ghz Intel Pentium 4, with 1 GB of ram, and it is not slow.
[05:06:58] <eviljames> x58: That is encouraging.
[05:07:11] <x58> So even on that hardware it should not be slow
[05:07:39] <eviljames> x58: Are you using any specific performance tweaks?  My system takes a couple of minutes to load the package manager, about 45 seconds to load firefox
[05:07:53] <x58> Nope
[05:07:56] <eviljames> Is your system hyperthreaded?
[05:08:01] <x58> No
[05:08:07] <x58> The physical processor has 1 virtual processor (0)
[05:08:07] <x58>   x86 (GenuineIntel F27 family 15 model 2 step 7 clock 2519 MHz)
[05:08:07] <x58> 	Intel(r) Pentium(r) 4 CPU 2.53GHz
[05:08:36] <x58> Shows up as 2.4 Ghz in bios ...
[05:08:43] <x58> Anyway, standard 2008.05 install
[05:08:56] <x58> I used pkg image-update to update to snv_99
[05:09:00] <x58> SunOS opensolaris 5.11 snv_99 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
[05:09:23] <topgun17> you have to see tthis video on  which pits a convintiona Desil tractor trasilor  agains one running  omn Liquified nautural gas. http://www.velocityvehiclegroup.com/greentruckchallenge.htm BTW I figured out how to get flash working  i had to copy the files over.
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[05:09:55] <eviljames> x58: I'm on snv_86, an upgrade may help?
[05:10:23] <topgun17> eviljames: pkg image-update
[05:10:27] <x58> eviljames: Just beware if you have an ATI graphics card. On my Radeon X800 when logged into GNOME the screen flickers randomly when I open new applications.
[05:10:31] <x58> topgun17: Already told him that.
[05:10:32] <eviljames> I haven't read any dev logs or anything, I found Solaris 10 to be reasonable on the same machine.. was there performance increases between 86 and 99?
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[05:10:42] <eviljames> x58: Intel 915 or some such on board thing.
[05:10:56] <x58> eviljames: Couldn't hurt to try, if it fails boot back into the old version :P
[05:11:06] <topgun17> iwasn't aware of that x50
[05:11:31] <x58> When you use pkg image-update it makes a new bootable clone environment.
[05:11:47] <eviljames> Well, running pkg image-update has now pinned my cpu 100%.
[05:12:28] <eviljames> x58: true, I did see that in some wiki earlier today.
[05:12:35] <alanc> if you're on nv_86, you need to run additional steps to upgrade, can't just do image-update
[05:12:48] <x58> alanc: It will tell him what packages he needs to update first :P
[05:12:57] <x58> SUNWipkg IIRC
[05:13:06] <alanc> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/image-update/
[05:13:14] <eviljames> alanc: thanks for the reminder, there's a link on the announcement for snv_99
[05:13:28] <alanc> x58: if he has a new enough SUNWipkg it will - the original 2008.05 didn't warn you
[05:14:02] <alanc> bah, my ufs->zfs LU seems to have failed again
[05:14:03] <eviljames> I ran the package manager last night, SUNWipkg was upgraded then.
[05:14:35] <x58> alanc: The 2008.05 I had installed just recently stopped and told me to update SUNWipkg
[05:14:38] <eviljames> Unless there's a different one that needs to be updated... the results from pkg image-update state it is now creating a plan, which is also encouraging.
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[05:15:01] <lloy0076> Is the download site for SXCE 101 playing up?
[05:15:16] <lloy0076> I keep getting just the md5sum as a selection.
[05:15:53] <alanc> x58: they replaced the iso's of 2008.05 in august with new iso's that had several ipkg bugs fixed - the original May release iso's didn't warn you to upgrade first
[05:16:11] <x58> alanc: Ah, okay. Good to know.
[05:16:30] <lloy0076> Nope, they've got it.
[05:16:38] <eviljames> I had downloaded last night, so this issue shouldn't affect me, but the downloads for build 99 outright refused to work.
[05:16:42] <lloy0076> I think I got caught in cookie hell,
[05:18:27] <eviljames> alanc: Do you know, offhand, if what I saw with 99 was unusual?  It was a variety of errors in reading the disc after selecting keyboard layout and such.  UDMA errors, which would retry until the max, then fail.  It would then load the GUI, but not find any disks in the install procedure.
[05:18:41] <eviljames> (A simple 'no' will shut me up :P)
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[05:23:30] <alanc> I don't know
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[05:25:51] <eviljames> Good enough for me.
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[05:59:32] <eviljames> only 20,000 update actions to go!
[05:59:41] * eviljames is coming down the home run stretch, hopefully...
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[06:19:12] <eviljames> thanks all, I will return with more problems later! =D
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[06:26:17] <eviljames> arg!  I'm beginning to wonder about this machine.  has anybody else seen repeated UDMA errors in build 99?
[06:26:43] <eviljames> I suppose I'm shouting into an empty room at the moment...
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[06:32:36] <evoc> Hi
[06:33:09] <eviljames> good evening(morning?).
[06:33:22] <evoc> Following this morning, does anyone know what the BSD sysctl(3) C interface would be in solaris ?
[06:34:09] <eviljames> Wish I could help, but right now I'm fighting to get build99 to even boot :(
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[06:36:24] <alanc> from the wikipedia page description, probably no exact match, but a variety of system tunable interfaces
[06:36:41] <alanc> *sigh* I should not still be at work
[06:36:49] <eviljames> I was in the middle of typing the same thing.  Solaris documentation is pretty extensive on tunable params.
[06:37:08] <eviljames> alanc: No.  Go home.
[06:37:13] <alanc> ndd for network params for instance
[06:37:40] <alanc> yes, I give up on figuring out why my machine won't boot it's zfs root - the ufs root still boots, so that's good enough for now
[06:38:09] <eviljames> alanc: That error I mentioned from the build99 discs an hour or so ago, seeing if you had heard anything about it
[06:38:28] <eviljames> Well, my pkg image-update did the same thing, except this time instead of booting to a gui I got a spontaneous reboot
[06:39:31] <eviljames> Seemingly before smf is brought up, I get a ton of read errors that do not appear under snv_86.
[06:39:55] <eviljames> alanc: In short, is there a way to pause the boot process so I can watch these errors a little more closely, and perhaps write them down for googling?
[06:40:15] <eviljames> Actually, scrap that.  Forget my question, go home and sleep.
[06:41:36] <evoc> evijames:Maybe your hitting the audiohd bug that couses panics..
[06:41:46] <evoc> Wait until tomorrow and grab 101
[06:41:50] <evoc> Heaps of fixes
[06:42:35] <alanc> eviljames: if I knew that, I wouldn't be hitting ctrl-s to pause my boot to try and figure out why fs-usr is failing
[06:42:44] <alanc> there probably is and I just don't know it
[06:43:09] <eviljames> alanc: wouldn't, or would?  Or sarcasm?
[06:44:26] <alanc> I've been trying to hit ctrl-s at the right moment to pause the boot to see the messages before they scroll off - requires very good timing on a fast machine that can generate hundreds of lines of error output per second
[06:44:49] <alanc> there must be a better way
[06:44:51] <eviljames> evoc: I don't suspect that, I had disabled the onboard audio and lan (broadcom 4401 gave me a driver missing error anyway..), but I will definitely try build 101 tomorrow.  Thanks.
[06:45:08] <alanc> but I am off now, see you all tomorrow
[06:45:20] <alanc> (if my wife doesn't kill me first for staying at work this late)
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[06:45:28] <evoc> Will SMBIOS give me all that info about acpi junk such as battery stats etc ?
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[06:48:05] <eviljames> evoc: the smbios utility doesn't give me any of that info, so I'll say maybe.
[06:48:37] <eviljames> Not that my maybe helps you at all...
[06:48:56] <evoc> No not really :(
[06:49:07] <evoc> http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/index.php?title=KAworu_FreeBSD_ACPI_Widget
[06:49:13] <evoc> I want to rewrite this for solaris
[06:49:47] <eviljames> Worse yet, I don't have a man page for smbios, so if there are any features beyond what smbios --help gives me, I don't know them.
[06:51:51] <eviljames> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/windmill/acpi/
[06:52:06] <eviljames> That's something, but really generic and doesn't provide much in the way of information
[06:52:49] <eviljames> There's an acpi driver, but I freely admit to know nothing
[06:52:50] <eviljames> ... about it.
[06:52:51] <eviljames> ;)
[06:53:03] <evoc> This totally sucks !
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[06:54:12] <evoc> Hmm, I should be looking at HAL docs then ?
[06:54:33] <evoc> jamesd:About ?
[06:55:27] <eviljames> I was admitting to knowing nothing about the acpi driver.  I would imagine there is a way to poll it for data, but anything beyond that generic I am not aware of.
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[06:57:32] <eviljames> evoc: from the info in the link I posted, it seems that as of build 95 HAL is able to monitor the battery, so perhaps that is the best place to start looking.
[06:58:02] <evoc> Yea I know about that
[06:58:13] <evoc> I am looking for C API's though
[06:58:35] <evoc> Maybe there is something in the gnome code ?
[06:58:42] <evoc> gman:ping :p
[06:58:58] <eviljames> oh, sorry... I can't be of much help..
[06:59:05] <CIA-58> Brian Kuyper <Brian.Kuyper at Sun dot COM>: 6719133 wcr in loop starting ssi process 10 times per second
[06:59:05] <CIA-58> Michael Speer <Michael.Speer at Sun dot COM>: 6757912 hxge needs to implement recovery for rbr empty
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[06:59:36] <eviljames> Well, there's definitely a battery monitor for gnome, and I'm certain it works in Solaris, so perhaps that's your best first point of research.
[06:59:40] <eviljames> But now, bed is calling.
[06:59:45] <eviljames> Thanks for the tip about 101..
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[07:02:51] <evoc> :/
[07:08:57] <qiyong> # echo $HOME
[07:08:58] <qiyong> /home/qiyong
[07:09:04] <qiyong> but /home is empty
[07:09:08] <qiyong> how do i mount it
[07:09:18] <qiyong> s/mount/use/
[07:10:33] <evoc> maybe /export/home/foo
[07:11:02] <tsoome> man automount
[07:11:05] <qiyong> you mean a local mount? i don't have /export
[07:11:09] <evoc> Your question relates to autofs
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[07:11:46] <tsoome> i think its covered by every decent solaris FAQ
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[07:35:37] <freetown> hi all...did somethign change in b99? zfs list don't list the snapshots anymore
[07:39:08] <LeftyBSD> zfs list -t snapshot
[07:39:16] <LeftyBSD> I think that did change in 98 or 9
[07:39:18] <LeftyBSD> 99
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[07:51:03] <trochej> Coffee
[07:51:45] <e^ipi> no, 'spresso machine didn't come today :(
[07:51:49] <e^ipi> tomorrow hopefully
[07:53:52] <freetown> LeftyBSD, thnx...oh boy...i wonder how many snapshots i have accumulated now :D
[07:54:26] <e^ipi> yeah, taht's the auto snapshots
[07:54:37] <e^ipi> annoying is that they also snapshot your swap
[07:55:54] <freetown> e^ipi, swap?
[07:56:00] <e^ipi> yes
[07:56:49] <freetown> auto snapshots?
[07:56:59] * freetown needs to look up new man page
[07:57:57] <qiyong> do you know if I should download the whole kernel sorce code merely for some driver build?
[07:59:06] <CIA-58> suha <Suhasini.Peddada at Sun dot COM>: Added tag onnv_102 for changeset a5d463530d7f
[07:59:46] <Triskelios> qiyong: if the driver is in ON, it's hard to do a partial checkout..
[08:00:23] <qiyong> Triskelios: so i'd better to fetch the ON source ?
[08:00:59] <freetown> e^ipi, man page for zfs says nothing about auto snapshots?
[08:01:11] <e^ipi> no, it wouldn't
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[08:01:25] <e^ipi> it's not part of zfs
[08:01:28] <qiyong> # pkg
[08:01:28] <qiyong> pkg: Command not found.
[08:01:45] <Triskelios> freetown: it's an independent program (implemented as some scripts and a service)
[08:02:03] <e^ipi> qiyong: either it's not it $PATH, or you're not using 2008.05
[08:02:49] <qiyong> it's SXCE e^ipi
[08:03:00] <e^ipi> so the second one then
[08:03:04] <qiyong> don't botther, i'd install it, what's the pkg name for pkg?
[08:03:11] <e^ipi> there isn't one
[08:03:19] <freetown> Triskelios, interesting...part of a package?
[08:03:24] <e^ipi> well, SUNWips but you can have it.
[08:03:27] <e^ipi> *can't
[08:03:36] <e^ipi> not on SXCE
[08:03:51] <e^ipi> not that it much matters, everything in IPS is on the SXCE dvd
[08:03:54] <qiyong> removed from SXCE?
[08:04:01] <e^ipi> not removed from sxce
[08:04:05] <e^ipi> added to 2008.05
[08:04:08] <Triskelios> qiyong: written specifically for 2008.05
[08:04:28] <freetown> e^ipi, i have a script that counts the no. of snapshots and then starts destroying the oldest ones after a certain threshold has been reached.
[08:04:52] <freetown> e^ipi, that is where my snapshots are coming from
[08:04:57] <Triskelios> freetown: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/jds/spec-files-other/trunk/core/SUNWzfs-auto-snapshot.spec
[08:05:07] <e^ipi> well that's silly, there's already one in nevada
[08:05:13] <freetown> Triskelios, thnx
[08:05:16] <e^ipi> and it's SMF-ized
[08:05:21] <freetown> e^ipi, no idea there is one
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[08:06:18] <Triskelios> tim foster wrote it a long time ago
[08:07:13] <freetown> i guess i should have asked before i wrote my script
[08:07:55] <e^ipi> or googled
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[08:09:37] <freetown> e^ipi, well, never imagined that something like this would be available..assumed that i'd have to make me own solution to the problem
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[08:14:30] <Triskelios> freetown: http://blogs.sun.com/erwann/entry/zfs_on_the_desktop_zfs has more cool stuff using the auto-snapshot service
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[08:15:49] <swankier> anyone have experience with ilom (specifically on an x4500?)
[08:15:59] <swankier> for whatever reason I can't get the remote console redirection to work
[08:16:14] <swankier> I keep getting an "Unknown user: root-sp-3" error
[08:16:26] <swankier> I've tried reseting the service processor, and even power cycling the machine
[08:16:53] <e^ipi> the time slider thing is actually really cool
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[08:17:06] <bda> It looks really cool.
[08:18:10] <freetown> Triskelios, looks very nice. Bye bye Time Machine. But i think i still need me script...got to sync the snapshots and its zfs filesystem  to another box
[08:18:49] <Triskelios> freetown: there's also zfs-auto-backup (although it's somewhat limited in what it likes backing up to...)
[08:19:10] <e^ipi> Triskelios: hey, just like time machine
[08:19:18] <e^ipi> it doesn't back up except to approved devices either
[08:19:36] <Triskelios> ha
[08:19:50] <freetown> Apple stamped hard drive
[08:21:49] <bda> freetown: zetaback.
[08:25:18] <freetown> bda, thnx...i'll take a look
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[08:37:04] <asyd> \_o<
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[08:45:04] <qiyong> what is the Sun Studio package name?
[08:46:04] <Triskelios> SUNWspro, although it's usually available as a tarball
[08:46:12] <Triskelios> ss-dev on 2008.05
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[08:53:34] <qiyong> Triskelios: i don't find  SUNWspro on the SXCE DVD, hwy?
[08:53:35] <qiyong> why
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[08:56:58] <Triskelios> qiyong: SXCE normally has a tarball version with an installer in the DeveloperTools subdir on the CD
[08:57:05] <Triskelios> s/CD/DVD/..
[08:57:48] <qiyong> Triskelios: what's the location or name?
[08:58:08] <Triskelios> should be pretty obvious if you just browse the DVD contents
[08:58:25] <qiyong> i guess it should be in Solaris_11
[08:58:39] <qiyong> # ls Solaris_11/
[08:58:40] <qiyong> Docs/  Misc/  Patches/  Product/  Tools/
[08:58:50] <qiyong> what next? Product/ ?
[08:58:51] <qiyong> Triskelios:
[08:59:29] <Triskelios> hmm, looks like it was just /DeveloperTools. maybe it was removed to save space
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[09:00:05] <qiyong> # ls
[09:00:06] <qiyong> autorun.inf*  boot/      installer*                   License/    sddtool/     Sun_HPC_ClusterTools/
[09:00:06] <qiyong> autorun.sh*   Copyright  JDS-THIRDPARTYLICENSEREADME  README.txt  Solaris_11/
[09:00:08] <Triskelios> the studio download on sun.com is basically the same though
[09:00:11] <qiyong> so, it's gone
[09:00:17] <Triskelios> yeah...
[09:00:50] <qiyong> given a package name, how can i find out what files it installed?
[09:01:05] <Triskelios> pkgchk -l <package>
[09:01:24] <Triskelios> pkgchk -l -P <filename> does the inverse
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[09:02:07] <qiyong> i carelessly installed SUNWsprot
[09:04:48] <Triskelios> I think that is a useful package... includes Sun as and make...
[09:05:11] <qiyong> i thought sunstudio includes as and make
[09:06:37] <Triskelios> nope, just compilers...
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[09:07:51] <evoc> yay for 101 is finally out !
[09:07:57] <qiyong> nothing else? i thought IDE also
[09:08:14] <qiyong> evoc how do you know
[09:08:33] <evoc> Read the /topic
[09:08:57] <qiyong> how did the topic know?
[09:08:59] <sickness>  sol-nv-b101-md5sum-x86.txt <- there's just this file on the 2 segment dvd download page :/
[09:09:11] <qiyong> from ML announcement?
[09:09:13] <evoc> Oh :/
[09:09:15] <fraggeln> w00t! 101
[09:09:20] <e^ipi> qiyong: because people set it.
[09:09:28] <e^ipi> sun people typically
[09:09:38] <qiyong> people know from maillist announ?
[09:09:38] <Triskelios> qiyong: yeah, and the IDE (netbeans + some addons)
[09:10:31] <qiyong> Triskelios: so sunstudio alone doesn't build the result executables?
[09:10:49] <evoc> I am using the 6.5RC at the moment
[09:11:22] <evoc> Getting together a nice vi rc though ..
[09:12:22] <Triskelios> qiyong: it might have a builtin assembler (I know it can handle gcc-style inline assembly).
[09:13:10] <qiyong> Triskelios:  is sunstudio open source now?
[09:13:13] <evoc> I am looking forward to asm and Ada support !
[09:13:16] <evoc> No !
[09:14:03] <Triskelios> qiyong: no (though it may happen)
[09:14:42] <qiyong> the kernel is build by sunstudio?
[09:15:11] <Triskelios> qiyong: yes. (it's buildable with gcc but not recommended to do so)
[09:15:53] <qiyong> why not recommended?
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[09:16:47] <qiyong> Triskelios: and which is the future?
[09:17:07] <evoc> qiyong:Pick one that fits *your* needs
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[09:25:44] <DTEIT> morning
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[09:27:59] <trochej> DTEIT: Elo
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[09:45:07] <qiyong> can pkgadd install sunstudio12-ii-20081010-sol-x86.tar.gz ?
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[09:50:43] <Berny> qiyong, there is usually a pkg distribution and a simple tarball (with the latest patches applied already)
[09:51:00] <qiyong> Berny: where
[09:51:35] <Triskelios> qiyong: that filename sounds like the tarball version
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[09:55:16] <asyd> hint: a free licence of crossover is available today, and only today
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[09:57:39] <trochej> Coffee anyone?
[09:57:51] <asyd> one!
[09:58:29] <cmihai> No thanks.
[09:58:41] <cmihai> Already having Schoko
[09:59:29] <trochej> Schoko?
[09:59:40] <cmihai> Schokomilch
[09:59:44] <trochej> Oh
[09:59:50] <cmihai> That's what the box says anywho
[09:59:57] <trochej> You mean a chockolate milk out of plastic? :)
[10:00:13] <trochej> s/out of/made of/
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[10:07:34] <cmihai> trochej: paper, I think :-)
[10:08:17] <trochej> :)
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[10:19:44] <_setuid_H> Morning all
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[10:34:02] <kim0> Hi guys, are there any recent changes in zfs commands in 2008.11 since b93 ?
[10:34:18] <cmihai> Did you check out onnv flag days?
[10:34:53] <cmihai> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/
[10:35:48] <Berny> talking about zfs commands...
[10:36:07] <Berny> who would like to have wildcard support for zfs get and co?
[10:36:07] <cmihai> zfs clone -o looks new.
[10:37:06] <Berny> or does anyone besides me wish to have per dataset iostats in zfs?
[10:37:49] <cmihai> Per dataset iostat would be nice
[10:38:49] <ofu> yes, would be very useful
[10:39:56] <cmihai> cool
[10:41:09] <Berny> so there is hope for my rfe :-)
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[11:16:28] <sickness> I'm trying to use an SAS3442E-R on sxce99 but it keeps yelling: "disconnected command timeout for target 2" at boot and doesn't let me go past the kernel, it repeats that and doesn't let me go at the login prompt :/
[11:17:35] <anilg> a program x is compiled and has setuid root set.. this program accepts arguments and runs them in a zone (by passing on the arguments to zlogin.. via exec. (so x ls will run ls in a zone). Now, if I'm malicious user with normal user privileges.. Is there a way I can pass arguments to this program so as to run my commands as root in the global zone?
[11:17:57] <anilg> maybe `rm -rf *` or \`rm -rf * \` ?
[11:18:06] <_mary_kate_> anilg: how exactly do you use exec?
[11:18:33] <anilg>  execl("/usr/sbin/zlogin", "zlogin", zoneName, (char*)args);
[11:20:43] <anilg> does execl parse the arguments before passing them to the program.. or it simply passes on what it gets
[11:22:06] <_mary_kate_> it doesn't invoke the shell, so shell metacharacters have no effect
[11:22:11] <_mary_kate_> (although they will inside the zone, of course)
[11:22:38] <anilg> thats not an issue
[11:22:48] <anilg> I just want the global zone  unvulnerable
[11:23:26] <anilg> so passing X's args to the execl function should not be an issue
[11:23:42] <_mary_kate_> you do need to pass a NULL argument at the end of execl() to terminate the argument list
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[11:25:05] <asyd> anilg: anyway a program with setuid is supposed to be very striict
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[11:32:20] <anilg> thanks _mary_kate_ and asyd
[11:32:28] <tynar> join #gtk+
[11:32:59] <swankier> can someone take a look at this for me? http://www.pastebin.ca/1238528
[11:33:22] <swankier> basically, there's a BE that I cannot destroy
[11:33:25] <swankier> and I don't know why
[11:34:52] <tynar> swankier, i don't even know what is BE )
[11:35:03] <swankier> boot environment
[11:35:05] <swankier> beadm list
[11:35:21] <swankier> beadm == boot environment administration tool
[11:36:00] <tynar> something related with boot loader?
[11:38:00] <timsf> swankier: sounds like there's a partially created boot environment there
[11:38:17] <timsf>  just manually destroy the snapshots of your root pool, and you'll be ok.
[11:38:41] <timsf> [ the other question is how you got into that state in the first place.. - perhaps failed pkg image-updates ? ]
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[11:48:30] <asyd> s 20
[11:49:01] <Berny> hmm now this is annoying
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[11:49:42] <Berny> after lu'ing to snv101 the keyboard layout is still set to german, things like +,* works as marked on keyboard, only z and y are swapped
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[11:56:34] <timsf> Berny known bug
[11:57:02] <timsf> can't remmeber the id
[11:57:57] <timsf> 6761290 [Xorg] German Keyboard Layout: z and y keys exchanged (qwerty instead of qwertz)
[11:58:10] <Berny> cheers
[11:58:55] <codestr0m> there isn't some svn mirror of onnv-gate is there? (just double checking, but doubt there is)
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[12:17:58] <hellmann72> Hi! Is there a config property for smbadm to only allow certain IP ranges to access a zfs filesystem?
[12:24:03] <evocallaghan> Hey all
[12:24:40] <CosmicDJ> hellmann72: IIRC no, nut there's ipfilter :)
[12:24:47] <CosmicDJ> s/nut/but/
[12:25:02] <_mary_kate_> i imagine that'll be possible once solaris firewall integrates
[12:25:09] <_mary_kate_> (quite a neat project, actually)
[12:28:14] <Berny> hmm, file an rfe... sharesmb should support roughlz the same options as sharenfs (i.e. rw=... and the like)
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[12:32:13] <tynar> can someone tell me how can i update the libraries path? like ldconfig
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[12:32:17] <tynar> in linux
[12:32:22] <quasi> crle
[12:32:29] <_mary_kate_> tynar: don't.  link your program with -R/path/to/libraries
[12:32:56] <tynar> _mary_kate_ actually ld-library-paths are linked with -L
[12:33:01] <_mary_kate_> tynar: no
[12:33:14] <_mary_kate_> tynar: -R hardcodes the location of the library in the program, so you don't have to use ldconfig or similar
[12:33:17] <_mary_kate_> (crle on solaris)
[12:33:47] <tynar> crle cannot find config file
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[12:33:59] <_mary_kate_> don't use crle
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[12:34:10] <_mary_kate_> you'll find it very annoying (e.g. different locations with the same library)
[12:34:13] <_mary_kate_> use -R instead
[12:34:19] <hellmann72> Thanks. Will give it a try...
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[12:35:22] <tynar> ok mary, now i will try it
[12:36:16] <_mary_kate_> (if you really want to use crle, you need to create the config containing the default settings, i.e. /lib:/usr/lib -- and make sure you do it right, or no programs will work)
[12:37:29] <tynar> i won't do that, since i am a newbie to solaris
[12:37:34] <ofu> is there something like luxadm probe for sas devices?
[12:40:42] <tynar> mary, no result, make cannot find the libiconv's new path
[12:41:05] <_mary_kate_> did you specify -L as well?  you need both (-L for compile, -R for runtime)
[12:41:42] <tynar> i set ld_library_path on bash profile to -R/opt/mono/lib -R/usr/local/lib etc
[12:42:07] <_mary_kate_> no, -R is part of LDFLAGS.  LDFLAGS='-L/opt/mono/lib -L/usr/local/lib -R/opt/mono/lib:/usr/local/lib' ./configure ...
[12:42:34] <tynar> oh, thanks mary, now i am trying
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[12:50:02] <tynar> mary, please can you look at this http://pastebin.com/m46a7dc6e
[12:50:09] <tynar> it's result of gmake
[12:50:42] <tynar> i believe i set the correct paths to libs
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[12:52:46] <petenix> let's see if memtest86 ran successfully overnight ...
[12:54:53] <petenix> alright, memtest86 ran 9 full passes with no errors
[12:54:55] <petenix> the ram is perfect
[12:55:29] <Berny> it's zour harddisk :-)
[12:55:38] <Berny> s/zour/your/
[12:56:04] <petenix> perhaps
[12:56:12] <petenix> but what kind of hard drive error is transient like this?
[12:56:30] <petenix> machine works 3 or 4 hours and then freezes hard on linux, solaris, and windows
[12:56:34] <petenix> haven't tried freebsd yet'
[12:57:05] <ofu> 3-4 hours sounds like a temperature problem
[12:57:12] <CosmicDJ> indeed
[12:57:23] <petenix> Yeah, I was thinking that
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[12:57:43] <petenix> under linux, the ACPI code kept complaining about not being able to turn a cooling fan on
[12:58:26] <petenix> having said that, it would be at the operating system level
[12:58:34] <petenix> because when I ran memtest86, it did not overheat
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[12:59:13] <petenix> and when I look at temperatures in the bios, it shows 2 fans running and the cpu temp being relatively stable
[12:59:25] <petenix> 53 degrees
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[13:02:11] <petenix> is there a solaris tool that lets me monitor temperatures?
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[13:03:17] <Berny> prtdiag and prtpicl
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[13:03:23] <Berny> not sure if thez work on x86 though
[13:03:23] <sickness> I think only on scsi disks :/
[13:03:42] <sickness> (maybe sata but only on sata framework supported controllers...)
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[13:09:27] <petenix> Hmm
[13:09:35] <petenix> I don't see any information regarding temperatures from either of those tools
[13:10:21] <trygvis> look at this for drive temps: http://breden.org.uk/2008/05/16/home-fileserver-drive-temps/
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[13:11:00] <sickness> can someone confirm to me that the LSI 3442-E sas hba needs lsi drivers to work instead of solaris mpt one?
[13:13:37] <petenix> what is the name of the SUN development package?
[13:13:52] <petenix> if I want to use g++ or gcc
[13:14:11] <th> petenix: check /usr/sfw/bin
[13:14:29] <petenix> I don't have any compilers installed
[13:14:35] <petenix> is there an easy way to install standard development tools?
[13:14:58] <petenix> a metapackage containing all of them?
[13:15:21] <th> petenix: so you are on 2008.5?
[13:15:34] <petenix> I installed 2008.5 and then upgraded to release 99
[13:15:38] <mikefut> Hello
[13:15:54] <twisti> petenix, The GCC is in SUNWgcc.
[13:16:01] <th> petenix: there should be gcc-dev meta package
[13:16:02] <mikefut> could somebody clarify some things about the snapshots for me please?
[13:16:05] <twisti> And I think there's also a meta-package.
[13:17:00] <mikefut> how snapshot "used" value is calculated?
[13:17:28] <mikefut> and if I have snapshots with 0 used size, is it safe to delete them without data loss?
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[13:43:50] <petenix> that script didn't work
[13:44:13] <petenix> got a bunch of errors that the commands they were trying to execute weren't appropriate for the disk type
[13:44:22] <petenix> my machine is working at the moment
[13:44:31] <petenix> I will leave it on for a while to see if I can duplicate the error
[13:44:44] <petenix> if so, is there some "debug mode" I can run solaris in to catch wtf is going on just before it crashes?
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[13:58:26] <Berny> petenix, if it crashes it would leave a crash dump for analysis. if it freezes due to thermal error or the like you can't run a debugger... there might be hints in the system log or stuff gathered by fma (check fmdump)
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[14:08:58] <petenix> fmdump: /var/fm/fmd/fltlog is empty
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[14:34:08] <swankier> anyone ever experienced OpenSolaris "Finding Disks" forever during installation?
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[14:41:59] <codestr0m> swankier: do you have external usb or other media plugged in?
[14:42:09] <swankier> virtual cdrom
[14:42:13] <codestr0m> and is it past the boot screen or once already on the desktop
[14:42:15] <swankier> but, I'm booting the device by it
[14:42:25] <swankier> during the installer
[14:42:33] <swankier> while it's searching for potential disks to install on
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[14:49:22] <swankier> hmm.... noone?
[14:52:17] <evocallaghan1> Hey, what would a PKG_CONFIG_PATH be like on solaris ?
[14:52:43] <evocallaghan1> checking for XCBPROTO... configure: error: Package requirements (xcb-proto >= 1.1) were not met:
[14:52:44] <SunTzuTech> it's usally /usr/lib/pkgconfig or 64-bit is /usr/lib/amd64/pkgconfig
[14:52:49] <evocallaghan1> thanks
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[14:53:53] <evocallaghan1> hmm, same problem
[14:55:11] <spiff> is there a way for nfs to use ldap user ids?
[14:55:20] <spiff> all my exported dirs map to nobody...
[14:55:27] <holcomb> different problem.
[14:55:36] <holcomb> make sure your mapid domain is the same on both machines
[14:55:42] <holcomb> /etc/default/nfs
[14:55:49] <codestr0m> does anyone know if uu_msprintf can replace vasprintf?
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[14:56:05] <evocallaghan1> SunTzuTech: What do you think I should set them as here ? http://rafb.net/p/ZuAnvk30.html
[14:56:06] <codestr0m> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4508459
[14:56:10] <RavenSlay3r> morning
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[14:57:06] <RavenSlay3r> my solaris machines can name-resolve windows machines and vise-versa. However, solaris and linux machines can't name-resolve eachother - can only connect through IP addresses which are dynamic.
[14:57:27] <SunTzuTech> well, given that your pkgconfig file for xcb is in /usr/local/lib, that appears to be an in-DUH-vidual problem...
[14:57:35] <RavenSlay3r> Is there a DDNS server or somthing I can setup on one solaris machine to fix this for the network?
[14:58:13] <SunTzuTech> perhaps setting PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig.......
[14:58:32] <evocallaghan1> codestr0m:That's bit size, I could prob help with doing that with you
[14:59:20] <RavenSlay3r> err.. ment DNS ... don't want to mess with hostfiles on each computer ... things change too often here.
[14:59:22] <codestr0m> evocallaghan1: oh? if you could help me on finding a replacement for vasprintf I would be super grateful
[14:59:25] <evocallaghan1> SunTzuTech:What does that word "DUH-videal" mean ?
[14:59:42] <evocallaghan1> codestr0m:I mean fix the RFE
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[15:00:02] <spiff> holcomb: ok, thanks, I'll check
[15:00:22] <SunTzuTech> evocallaghan: you forgot to update your package config path, therefore it's self induced probelm....
[15:00:33] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:At the end of the week.. please drop me a email, would that be ok ?
[15:00:44] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: can you pm me your email
[15:01:00] <evocallaghan> SunTzuTech:I didn't know I had to do anything ?
[15:01:40] <codestr0m> and evocallaghan do you think it's possible that uu_msprintf can get included in gate or that someone will just end up implementing it
[15:01:46] <codestr0m> not sure if you have a patch for this already?
[15:02:29] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:I can do that kind of code, its rather basic. But ending up in the gate is up to the gate keepers or whatever.
[15:02:37] <evocallaghan> I can inc. in my hg once I got that up
[15:02:44] <SunTzuTech> evocallaghan: how did you expect pkg-config to find the xcb.pc file?
[15:02:59] <SunTzuTech> is it psychic?
[15:03:06] <evocallaghan> Yes
[15:03:11] <evocallaghan> O_o
[15:03:13] <SunTzuTech> lol
[15:03:32] <evocallaghan> Is there a command or something to poke it ?
[15:03:43] <evocallaghan> I am clearly missing something here ?
[15:04:35] <Berny> evocallaghan, you're missing $PKG_CONFIG_PATH :-)
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[15:06:08] <evocallaghan1> [edward at SXCE-Workstation]:/AuroraUX/XCB/libxcb-1 dot 1.91:~>echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[15:06:10] <evocallaghan1> /usr/lib/pkgconfig
[15:06:22] <evocallaghan1> what the hell is going on with the interweb :p
[15:07:36] <SunTzuTech> I already said how to fix it about 25 lines above.  jeez.  want me to type it for you?
[15:07:55] <RavenSlay3r> How does one do DNS on a lan, from solaris, if the *inx machines are failing name-resolution on each other?
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[15:08:10] <evocallaghan1> oops (13:58:41)
[15:08:14] <evocallaghan1> Just noticed that line
[15:08:36] <SunTzuTech> RavenSlay3r: do you have a name resolver defined?
[15:08:43] <evocallaghan1> Sorry, my internet keeps dropping out as you can see I keep swinging in and out of here
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[15:09:14] <SunTzuTech> I can send you a tin can and some string if that helps
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[15:09:53] <RavenSlay3r> SunTzuTech: I don't think so.
[15:10:14] <evocallaghan1> Yes please do !
[15:10:35] <evocallaghan1> This is Australia, can's are expenive.. and my plan only provides a small string..
[15:11:04] <spiff> holcomb: now with the mapid domain set t the same they export as root :/
[15:11:10] <spiff> holcomb: is that progress? :)
[15:11:36] <RavenSlay3r> What is the name of the name-resolver package/dameon/???
[15:12:23] <digifor_> Is there a command that will tell me if I am running 32 or 64 bit?
[15:13:48] <TomJ> isainfo -v
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[15:15:30] <SunTzuTech> digifor_: zyd driver?
[15:17:09] <RavenSlay3r> SunTzuTech: how is name-resolution usually handled with solaris on a small lan?
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[15:19:34] <SunTzuTech> RavenSlay3r: you obviously have an internet connection, so that typically handles your outside your firewall name resolution. you may setup an internal resolver that then forwards to the external resolver, and in that resolver would be where you define your clients....
[15:22:31] <SunTzuTech> solaris a combination of an /etc/resolv.conf (which tells it where to find dns) and /etc/nsswitch.conf (proto types are files, dns, etc) which tell Solaris which name resolution to use....
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[15:24:46] <RavenSlay3r> ok, thanks
[15:24:51] <RavenSlay3r> gives me a starting point
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[15:30:19] <swankier> has noone ever experienced the "finding disks" thing?
[15:31:56] <Belgar> finding disks?
[15:34:11] <webar7> you use format
[15:34:22] <webar7> format < /dev/null  or something ... no?
[15:34:26] <PaulR_> so is B101 11/08 ?
[15:36:24] <quasi> b101 is b101
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[15:36:49] <evocallaghan1> lol
[15:40:51] <spiff> what could be the reason for all dirs to be exported as root in nfs? I have set the mapid domain...
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[15:59:06] <CIA-58> natalie li - Sun Microsystems - Irvine United States <Natalie.Li at Sun dot COM>:
[15:59:06] <CIA-58> 6751647 TRANS2_FIND_NEXT continuation by filename restarts search at beginning of directory, 6753904 SVCCTL server side service, 6741484 Local users cannot connect to CIFS shares from MacOS 10.5, 6746898 win98 can not overwrite *.files, 6753310 Incorrect handling of SmbNegotiate request when invalid dialects are negotiated., 6751123 Unable to join domain, core dump generated with IPMP setting, 6722437 SMB_TRANS2_FIND returns wrong status code when stream
[15:59:06] <CIA-58> if hostname is > 15 chars, 6753251 server signing: wrong signature is generated for the NetShareEnum reply, 6757521 SMB daemon leaks memory after displaying GSS status, 6760315 Local user cannot connnect to CIFS shares if CIFS server's hostname is not specified, 6757333 Share publisher thread runs into infinite loop of displaying GSS major/minor status, 6757132 smbd crashes at smb_idmap_batch_getmappings, 6760876 security descriptor decoding function has
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[15:59:38] <holcomb> wow
[16:00:41] <jbk> uugh i have to re-remember how to use svm
[16:00:43] * jbk shudders
[16:01:21] <holcomb> where is 10/08?
[16:01:30] <jbk> i wish i knew
[16:01:38] <jbk> it would stop me from having to go through this :)
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[16:02:10] <quasi> holcomb: we're still in october for a few days...
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[16:02:31] <holcomb> damn you calendar
[16:05:27] <quasi> well, it's not as if having chosen a number for the last release actually made sun deliver that month
[16:08:25] * timeless sighs
[16:08:38] <timeless> how long is it supposed to take to rename a zfs snapshot? :)
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[16:10:17] <holcomb> 0?
[16:10:29] <timeless> for me, it's nowhere near zero :)
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[16:15:06] <holcomb> i will content myself with lu'ing to 101
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[16:22:05] <gobbler> how can i query the fs cache size?
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[16:22:51] <throwt> what fs?
[16:22:58] <gobbler> filesystem
[16:23:04] <throwt> ufs, zfs?
[16:23:10] <gobbler> ufs (sadly)
[16:23:37] <throwt> probably in kstat
[16:23:49] <gobbler> just wanted to write: hope its not kstat magic
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[16:24:21] <stevel> anyone else only seeing the MD5 sums for sxce 101 (x86)
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[16:30:06] <quasi> stevel: trying to get the cd version?
[16:30:30] <quasi> no
[16:31:02] <quasi> single image has the image as well
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[16:32:38] <stevel> quasi: nope, DVD version
[16:33:08] <quasi> stevel: I'm downloading the single image dvd now - nothing wrong with that
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[16:33:36] <stevel> weird. i see nothing other than the checksum
[16:34:05] <quasi> stevel: when I look at the 2 part dvd, then there's only the checksum
[16:34:44] <stevel> ahh yeah, you're right.
[16:34:50] <stevel> i was on the multiple part one
[16:34:51] <stevel> weird
[16:35:20] <quasi> probably a mistake in getting it uploaded
[16:35:33] <stevel> mmmm...... 9 MB/s download rate
[16:35:34] <stevel> nice
[16:37:16] <quasi> not bad
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[16:40:56] <Stric> gobbler: echo ::memstat | mdb -k
[16:41:27] <gobbler> Stric: works! thanks a lot
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[16:54:02] <solarce> I am having a problem where I created an iSCSI target and now 'iscsitadm list target' hangs and so does 'iscsitadm delete target -u 0 target' also hangs
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[17:15:48] <codestr0m> I'm asking for help from the mercurial guys, but I'm trying to get a partial checkout of onnv-gate.. for example usr/src/cmd/ls/ or even usr/src/cmd
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[17:16:08] <codestr0m> anyone know of how to use forest to be able to do this or it wasn't setup as sub projects
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[17:16:16] <codestr0m> just the usr/src and usr/closed
[17:16:20] <oxygene> codestr0m: that's a single tree
[17:16:22] <oxygene> luckily
[17:16:46] <codestr0m> ? I'm trying to do partial co only
[17:17:36] <oxygene> onnv-gate is exactly one repository. not a bazillion loosely connected repositories with incoherencies everywhere
[17:19:01] <codestr0m> yes. well. sometimes doing a partial checkout.. (kernel) is all that's needed
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[17:23:11] <petenix> well, my machine has been up 4 and a half hours so far
[17:23:35] <throwt> what's the fear?
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[17:25:12] <petenix> throwt: it has been flaky
[17:25:21] <petenix> freezing for no apparent reason at times
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[17:25:41] <_setuid_H> Afternoon all
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[17:28:18] <_setuid_H> What's up with current SUNWonbld tools? It always threw me /net/onnv.eng... directory not exist
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[17:29:02] <holcomb> can you specify more than one name_service in sysidcfg?  it seems like no.
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[17:39:52] <odd1> anyone seem luupgrade to 101 cause a system halt, not panic, no core???
[17:40:18] <holcomb> no, but the vtdaemon stuff seems broken
[17:40:45] <_setuid_H> odd1: I saw luupgrade to do many stupid things
[17:41:22] <odd1> well this was a new stupid thing...
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[17:43:24] <_setuid_H> odd1: For e.g. it always threw me that grub entry of a new zone is not in solarii/boot/grub/menu.lst :-) Didn't matter whatewer I did :-)
[17:43:49] <_setuid_H> sorry for my grammar
[17:43:51] <_setuid_H> :-)
[17:44:17] <_setuid_H> s:/zone/be
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[17:44:36] <odd1> well looks like more lu hacking today...
[17:45:03] <odd1> setuid: in kenw u ment be
[17:45:22] <_setuid_H> odd1: Maybe clean install would be faster :-)
[17:45:45] <odd1> not really...   too much customizaion
[17:45:49] <_setuid_H> I'm little in stressed up in a kfc
[17:46:09] <_setuid_H> My school does not provide network to which I could connect with my solaris box
[17:46:50] <odd1> well off for a lu test...   tttl
[17:46:52] <jamesd> _setuid_H, no network?  perhaps next year they won't provide teachers either.
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[17:47:11] <_setuid_H> jamesd: The problem is in 802.1x wired network :-)
[17:47:34] <_setuid_H> jamesd: School is fine but too much secured :-)
[17:48:13] <jamesd> yeah they must keep knowledge and information secure, why share such dangerous things with students.
[17:48:14] <_setuid_H> We have a new trend "eduroam" wireless connection (Wpa enterprise secured) ... and wired connection is 802.1x secured too
[17:48:43] <_setuid_H> Once I'll be angry enough I'll rewrite drivers to support 802.1x at all
[17:49:02] <_setuid_H> today situation in solaris is just support for atheros wireless
[17:49:29] <_setuid_H> Dammned bsd,linux support that thing
[17:49:46] <_setuid_H> sorry for my blowing up
[17:49:47] <_setuid_H> :-)
[17:49:48] <jamesd> oh so its your systems lack of support not the schools...  i would just run   windows/linux + vmware for solaris
[17:50:03] <_setuid_H> jamesd: I have linux installed
[17:50:07] <tsoome> not the best chan to ask from maybe, but if any have worked on SLES (10.1) with vxvm or iscsi initiator, plx /msg me:)
[17:50:25] <_setuid_H> but try to sync hg in solaris, and I would like to have solaris not virtualized.
[17:51:26] <_setuid_H> sometimes I go out to sync onnv-gate &etc
[17:52:02] <_setuid_H> Maybe I'll buy some atheros card to get connected at least in the class
[17:52:18] <_setuid_H> But at first I have to pass first semester.
[17:52:36] <_setuid_H> Everything here is a math
[17:52:39] <_setuid_H> even programming
[17:52:58] <_setuid_H> even iq test was entire about math
[17:53:13] <tsoome> it is all about math, believe me:D
[17:53:22] <_setuid_H> tsoome: I believe
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[17:53:44] <_setuid_H> tsoome: I really wan't to become onnv-developer
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[17:54:21] <_setuid_H> s:wan't/want
[17:54:22] <_setuid_H> :-)
[17:56:00] <_setuid_H> does anybody have a hg speeder up in a pocket?
[17:56:59] <_setuid_H> I read that is possible to build os-net in indiana is it true?
[17:57:13] <_setuid_H> Sometimes it's impossible even in sxce :-)
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[18:03:09] <topgun17_> Ture or falsre Solaris is less secure than Linux or a hardened Windows box?
[18:03:46] <e^ipi> neither one has RBAC
[18:03:50] <asyd> true or false, it's a dumb question
[18:04:00] <e^ipi> true.
[18:04:03] <oxygene> topgun17_: true or false: are there simple answers to stupid questions?
[18:04:16] <e^ipi> oxygene: that's a yes or no question
[18:04:25] <oxygene> e^ipi: yes, just as valid
[18:04:57] <_setuid_H> I think it depends on the people on the other side of the cable :-)
[18:05:13] <oxygene> it mostly depends on the idiot at the terminal
[18:05:18] <_setuid_H> s:/people/person
[18:05:19] <turtle> you mean the other side of the tubes
[18:05:27] <_setuid_H> I'mean the attacker
[18:05:37] <turtle> IT'S NOT A DUMP TRUCK
[18:05:45] <_setuid_H> ok
[18:06:20] <e^ipi> i'd blame the admin
[18:06:29] <topgun17_> e^ipi: The reasomn i ask ios because I have  friend who is a techie like am who claim that due to the fact that the configuration fikles which muyst solaris, unix, bsd and Linux prograsms use  are human readable.
[18:06:48] <e^ipi> you have a friend who is an idiot.
[18:06:49] <_mary_kate_> wow, that was like, almost english
[18:07:22] <_setuid_H> I can tell you this. I have to do "clean install" on brothers hardened vista every 3 months. But I'm doing "clean install" on my box every 3 weeks (I like clean installed release) :-)
[18:07:33] <topgun17_> _mary
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[18:07:51] <_setuid_H> but in brothers example is it caused by dammaging system :-)
[18:07:55] <turtle> the reason i ask is because i have a friend who, like most people, talks out his ass all day about subjects he believes himself to be an expert in
[18:08:13] <topgun17_> _mary_kate_: He is a *nix hater nanmed Adam.
[18:08:36] <_setuid_H> I knew one Adam it was {os} / windows hater too
[18:08:46] <TomJ> I once knew a guy named Brian
[18:08:54] <holcomb> i am a guy named brian!
[18:08:58] <TomJ> WOW
[18:09:04] <turtle> due to the fact that bla blah human readable... <--shouldn't there be more words here at the end?
[18:09:07] <TomJ> it's truly a tiny world
[18:09:19] <_setuid_H> but he really knows just how to start solitare :-)
[18:09:21] <TomJ> turtle: we're hoping for less words, not more.  zero, preferably.
[18:09:38] <_setuid_H> ok guys hg synced
[18:09:43] <_setuid_H> I have to go
[18:09:43] <turtle> the suspense is killing me
[18:09:52] <topgun17_> Is Solaris general more or less secure then an up to date windows kernel?
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[18:10:06] <TomJ> an up to date windows kernel is one of the most secure systems available
[18:10:14] <TomJ> primarily because it's impossible to actually do anything with it.
[18:10:28] <e^ipi> topgun17_: stop asking stupid questions.
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[18:10:32] <_mary_kate_> a windows kernel on its own couldn't even boot, so that'd be fairly secure
[18:10:32] <TomJ> add the OS, and things get less secure.
[18:10:43] <_setuid_H> topgun17_: I believe that  solaris kernel is better written and better organized.
[18:11:11] <topgun17_> _setuid_H: I am in agree ment with you on that.
[18:11:15] <_setuid_H> Brothers vista falls like niagara falls :-) At least one per day.
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[18:11:34] <_setuid_H> ok
[18:11:35] <_setuid_H> bye
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[18:16:10] <topgun17_> The one thing i haven't configured nfs to allow me to share files between  Open Solaris and OS X Leopard.
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[18:18:24] <e^ipi> an internal monologue ceases to be internal once you verbalize it
[18:18:40] <TomJ> and it ceases to be interesting even before that
[18:18:52] <e^ipi> indeed
[18:18:59] <oxygene> e^ipi: I doubt that this highly poetic variant of "shut up" is understood without advanced english skills
[18:19:30] <spo0ner> I'm having a problem breaking a process thread running in the background and am looking for some suggestions
[18:19:55] <spo0ner> I did a snoop on an interface and placed it in background so I can see the results while I perform some ping tests and traceroutes
[18:20:18] <spo0ner> but the output is scrolling across the screen and I can't seem to halt the bg pid now
[18:20:42] <spo0ner> any suggestions other than a halting of the system?
[18:20:52] <TomJ> type fg to bring it back, then control-c to kill it
[18:21:03] <TomJ> or just open another terminal and pkill snoop or ps -ef | grep snoop and kill <pid>
[18:21:25] <spo0ner> I tried that
[18:21:38] <spo0ner> I can only get to it through console at the moment
[18:21:52] <spo0ner> and there can be only 1 console user on
[18:21:54] <TomJ> you are still at a prompt in your terminal?
[18:21:56] <spo0ner> and the only user is root
[18:21:59] <spo0ner> even better
[18:22:15] <TomJ> I mean, despite the scrolling of snoop, you are still able to type new commands?
[18:22:32] <_mary_kate_> if you unplug the network cable, it'll stop scrolling
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[18:22:46] <spo0ner> that's what's weird
[18:23:17] <spo0ner> I can do #. and get out to sc> but it's not accepting the fg/exit/pkill/kill -9 <pid>
[18:23:25] <spo0ner> it's not behaving nicely at all
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[18:23:45] <spo0ner> it's like the tty has gone bezerk
[18:23:48] <TomJ> sc> is not the shell prompt, sounds like you're at a serial console prompt or something
[18:23:53] <_mary_kate_> sc> is not the Unix shell, it's your ALOM
[18:24:05] <_mary_kate_> it can't kill processes, it doesn't even know about them
[18:24:10] <spo0ner> I know...I can jump out to ALOM and go back in to console
[18:24:22] <spo0ner> so I know the keyboard input is responding
[18:24:42] <TomJ> and when you go back into the console,  control-c or fg does nothing?
[18:24:46] <spo0ner> but while in the tty it's not accepting anything such as the fg/exit/ etc
[18:24:49] <spo0ner> yeah
[18:24:53] <spo0ner> very very weird
[18:25:20] <spo0ner> my last resort is to reboot the box but then that brings undesired attention to me =o)
[18:25:35] <TomJ> try control-Z also
[18:25:37] <spo0ner> but if it's all I can do then so be it...I was hoping to find another way
[18:25:41] <CosmicDJ> ssh in, su to root and kill snoop
[18:25:55] <spo0ner> can't ssh in
[18:26:02] <spo0ner> the IP that they put on the box is unreachable
[18:26:11] <spo0ner> hence why I went in through console :(
[18:26:13] <TomJ> also, try hittin control-c, control-z repeatedly, hard as you can
[18:26:22] <TomJ> it might be very slow to respond to your commands due to all the scrolling
[18:26:22] <spo0ner> LOL @ TomJ
[18:26:26] <TomJ> I'm serious
[18:26:29] <spo0ner> hard as I can?
[18:26:33] <TomJ> well, often as you can
[18:26:36] <spo0ner> my poor keyboard
[18:26:44] <TomJ> the velocity of your fingers on the keys is not so important
[18:26:54] <TomJ> though it can me be more satisfying to really hammer it
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[18:27:05] <_mary_kate_> unless you have a touch sensitive keyboard, then if you type ^C really hard, it becomes SIGKILL
[18:27:07] <spo0ner> so if I hit enter a few times or type fg I can see it scroll by the screen
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[18:28:04] <spo0ner> well...it just kicked me out of console =o)
[18:28:29] <spo0ner> going back in now
[18:29:20] <spo0ner> yeah
[18:29:22] <spo0ner> same thing
[18:29:30] <spo0ner> damn...gonna have to reboot the box <sigh>
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[18:29:59] <TomJ> what exactly is snoop showing if there's no working network?
[18:30:02] <topgun17_> Thats unfurtunate
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[18:39:31] <spo0ner> ok...just went to LOM and did a reset
[18:39:34] <spo0ner> <sigh>
[18:39:54] <spo0ner> I don't even know how I did what I did...but whatever I did...I did it DAMN Good!
[18:39:57] * Joerg is away: for the night
[18:40:14] <spo0ner> thanks for all the suggestions and help though
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[18:47:17] <TrogL> cryptoadm problem.  Installed OPen Source version of bind.  Since then unable to log in users except by ftp (which doesn't use crypto libraries).
[18:47:39] <TrogL> my theory is cryptoadm upset 'cause bind install changes files behind its back
[18:47:53] <TrogL> how do I reassure cryptoadm?
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[18:52:03] <topgun17_> SunOS prudent 5.11 snv_99 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
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[19:06:52] <hudnix> Does anyone know of a fix for a lx26 zone causing system crash whenever 'ps' or 'w' or things like that are run?
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[19:19:07] * stevel throws a plate of curry chips at dduvall
[19:19:16] <dduvall> :)
[19:19:36] <dduvall> I'll be out next month, so you can get me back.
[19:19:51] <stevel> fair enough.
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[19:20:12] <stevel> mmm... now i'm hungry. maybe i'll turn those curry chips into reality
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[19:25:02] <e^ipi> mmmm.... curry chips...
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[19:31:23] <spo0ner> that would be a good name for a Processor
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[19:31:33] <spo0ner> the Intel (or AMD) Curry
[19:31:43] <spo0ner> I could see the marketing now
[19:32:05] <spo0ner> "Add some Spice to your Applications with the Curry Processor"
[19:32:31] <holcomb> burn your mouth with the vindaloo daughterboard
[19:32:52] <spo0ner> Curry CPU...Bringing some heat to the competition!
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[19:33:20] <TrogL> Here's the error messages for my crypto problem (3 lines)
[19:33:36] <TrogL> kcfd[141]: kcfd : unable to attempt verification of /usr/lib/security/pkcs_softtoken.so failed: unable to open as an ELF object.
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[19:33:55] <TrogL> libpkcs11: /usr/lib/security/pkcs_softtoken.so unexpected failure in ELF signature verification. System may have been tampered with. See cryptoadm(1M). Skipping this plug-in.
[19:34:24] <TrogL> ok, 2 lines
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[19:35:47] <TrogL> ok so WTF is ELF signature verification and how do I re-set it?
[19:36:43] <e^ipi> www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/crypt_framework.pdf
[19:36:57] <e^ipi> should shed some light on the problem
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[19:39:46] <Yorlik> Will a nevada build 98 guest on VMWare ESXI profit from enabling VMI paravirtualization in the esxi options for that guest ?
[19:40:06] <e^ipi> probably
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[19:45:17] <Yorlik> Thanks. I think I'll check by building stuff and timing it
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[19:54:34] <mshadle> does nevada b98 have support for NTFS formatted USB disks?
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[19:56:32] <spo0ner> from what I read you can compile ntfs-3g on solaris
[19:57:09] <Teknix> anyone know offhand if the supermicro AOC-STG-i2 is supported by ixgbe?
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[19:58:20] <mshadle> is it a kernel driver/etc?
[19:58:53] <mshadle> n/m ill just use ftp or something
[19:59:20] <mshadle> samba sucks
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[20:09:03] <mshadle> anyone know if the e1000g driver has issues? in b98 it locks up when consistently doing even something as light as 25MB/sec single stream FTP on a LAN
[20:09:19] <mshadle> there's no errors i can find anywhere, the network interface just stops responding
[20:10:18] <mshadle> awesome, just broke again when i rate limited it to 15MB/sec
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[20:17:34] <spo0ner> I found this posting for the NTFS-3G but I have never tried it so I don't know if it works
[20:18:26] <spo0ner> http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=217076
[20:19:44] <TrogL> e^ipi: that's certainly a start.  man cryptoadm isn't telling me much, but elfsign certainlyu looks interesting.  How do I tell how something is signed?
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[20:20:34] <pb> hi everybody
[20:20:46] <e^ipi> elfsign(1)
[20:22:16] <pb> I wonder if Crossbow will be in next Solaris 10 release...
[20:23:00] <gothos> Where's 10/08 anyway... :(
[20:23:51] <e^ipi> 29th
[20:25:31] <TrogL> tomorrow?
[20:25:42] <spo0ner> I thought it was supposed to be the 30th?
[20:26:01] <holcomb> can libumem ever just be the default?
[20:26:42] <gothos> nice! :D
[20:27:23] <gothos> Patchcluster will come out tomorrow too?
[20:27:27] <pb> it's hard to consolidate without vswitches...
[20:28:11] <mshadle> does ntfs-3g support write operations?
[20:28:16] <mshadle> what about fat32..
[20:28:30] <mshadle> i have a bunch of files on my osol box, and i want to put them on a usb2 disk so i can read them on windows.
[20:28:45] <mshadle> and trying to transfer over the network(Samba, ftp) keeps stalling the nic.
[20:28:45] <e^ipi> fat is the safer way of doing it
[20:28:59] <mshadle> it's a 500 gig disk, doesnt fat have a limit
[20:29:08] <e^ipi> maybe
[20:29:13] <e^ipi> shouldn't stall the nic at all
[20:29:18] <e^ipi> symptoms?
[20:29:19] <mshadle> yeah - exactly. something is fubar here
[20:29:31] <mshadle> even 10MB/sec after a few minutes the NIC just dies
[20:29:37] <e^ipi> huh
[20:29:40] <mshadle> box seems fine, no errors i can find in any log file
[20:29:43] <Berny> weren't there issue on b98/99 with e1000g nics?
[20:29:49] <mshadle> ugh, probably
[20:29:53] <mshadle> i tried searching the bugs db
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[20:29:59] <mshadle> of course, im running b98..
[20:30:06] <e^ipi> it's possible, 98, 99, 100 were kinna dirty builds
[20:30:11] <Berny> was on one of the solx86 lists iirc
[20:30:37] <Berny> try the b95 driver if you have it
[20:30:44] <pb> join #solaris
[20:30:51] <e^ipi> never
[20:30:57] <e^ipi> that place is a cesspool
[20:31:03] <mshadle> i dont know how to load different drivers in solaris
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[20:31:27] <mshadle> https://br.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=68935&tstart=0
[20:31:31] <mshadle> that's the symptoms
[20:31:47] <Berny> mshadle, copy /kernel/drv/e1000g from a b95 box
[20:32:23] <mshadle> i only have a b94 box available
[20:32:43] <mshadle> i dont know why a driver would be ok, then break, thenbe ok, then break again
[20:33:32] <Berny> thats murphy ;-)
[20:33:44] <mshadle> this is -exactly- why i looked up hardware in the HCL and paid more $$ for 'stable' equipment
[20:33:48] <Berny> na seriouslz i might be wrong with b95 being ok
[20:34:17] <Berny> e1000g works pretty well on a lot of my boxes
[20:34:25] <Berny> (sol10 mainly though)
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[20:34:59] <mshadle> the hardware hasn't changed much afaik so i don't know why the driver would be broken in 4 different builds
[20:35:19] <e^ipi> mshadle: it's unstable software... you're running off tip/trunk/head
[20:35:20] <mshadle> how hard is it to liveupgrade b98 -> b101
[20:35:24] <e^ipi> sometimes things break
[20:35:31] <mshadle> i have zfs boot/root
[20:35:32] <Berny> mshadle, easy
[20:35:38] <e^ipi> LU is stupid easy
[20:35:39] <Berny> done that twice today
[20:35:52] <mshadle> as long as i dont lose my zfs "tank" pool
[20:35:57] <petenix> up 7 hours, 42 minutes
[20:36:06] <Berny> as long as you don't have a german keyboard layout you're safe as far as i can tell now ;-)
[20:36:32] * Berny is up 9:42 on snv101
[20:36:51] <e^ipi> "my pool is named tank" is synonymous with "i just typed the stuff in howtos rather than understanding it"
[20:36:52] <petenix> I didn't know that snv 101 was out; I thought 99 was latest
[20:36:54] <e^ipi> ;)
[20:36:54] <e^ipi> just sayin'
[20:37:01] <holcomb> haha
[20:37:08] <mshadle> i dont have a reason to name it differently :)
[20:37:08] <e^ipi> petenix: clearly not.
[20:37:20] <e^ipi> mine are named after philosophers
[20:37:29] * Berny calls his pool 'pool'
[20:37:32] <mshadle> to do LU i need a DVD - i cannot upgrade over the internet?
[20:37:44] <e^ipi> mshadle: correct.
[20:37:48] <Berny> mshadle, download the iso and loopback mount it
[20:37:51] <e^ipi> mshadle: partially. you can use the ISO
[20:37:54] <mshadle> weak. sun's downloader takes forever :/
[20:38:01] <e^ipi> you use that thing?
[20:38:05] <Berny> mshadle, use wget
[20:38:08] <mshadle> i dont know of any other place to grab it
[20:38:14] <e^ipi> oh, you mean dlc
[20:38:17] <mshadle> finding sxce last time took a few mins
[20:38:18] <e^ipi> dlc is decent
[20:38:33] <e^ipi> the silly java downloader is dumb though
[20:38:37] <mshadle> is there a simple .iso i can grab from somewhere and skip the registration/login/etc
[20:38:55] <e^ipi> not really
[20:39:04] <e^ipi> sun needs to do a check for embargoed countries
[20:39:26] <e^ipi> iranians can just use linux
[20:39:32] <mshadle> syria too
[20:39:38] <e^ipi> right
[20:39:52] <mshadle> they can go to hell
[20:39:56] <mshadle> sweet
[20:40:04] <mshadle> 11 seconds into a 27MB/sec transfer and it's dead
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[20:40:32] <e^ipi> use the wget script
[20:40:38] <e^ipi> then you get wget -C
[20:40:39] <mshadle> is there a way to see if there are changes to e1000g between b98 -> b101
[20:40:52] <mshadle> e^ipi: i dont mean downloading the iso
[20:40:54] <e^ipi> http://wikis.sun.com/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=28448383
[20:41:07] <alanc> the opensolaris.org download site blocks embargoed countries without requiring registration/login - the SXCE restrictions are more around the third-party licensed bits (bits not in 2008.05)
[20:41:31] <e^ipi> mshadle: the way to see about changes is to check the history in src.opensolaris.org
[20:41:40] <e^ipi> or dredge up the changelogs
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[20:42:14] <e^ipi> history is easyer
[20:42:16] <e^ipi> *easier
[20:42:25] <mshadle> where is the link for sxce
[20:42:33] <mshadle> i can only find osol and sol10
[20:43:31] <e^ipi> bookmark this: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-announce/
[20:43:37] <e^ipi> or subscribe to os-announce
[20:43:51] <mshadle> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/
[20:43:51] <e^ipi> you get ~ 1 or  2 messages a week
[20:43:52] <mshadle> excellent.
[20:45:16] <mshadle> rofl, its borked
[20:45:28] <e^ipi> which is?
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[20:45:38] <mshadle> i get to sund ownload center and it isnt showing the .iso's
[20:45:41] <mshadle> just the md5 file :p
[20:45:54] <Berny> use the single dvd link
[20:46:00] <mshadle> there is no link
[20:46:06] <mshadle> required files is empty. hah
[20:46:19] <Berny> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/sol_ex_dvd_1/
[20:46:38] <mshadle> boom, that link worked.
[20:46:45] <mshadle> thanks.
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[20:50:21] <gothos> Is there anyone here with cciss experience and can comment on the driver with OSOL/SXCE?
[20:50:34] <Stric> glance: ^^ ?
[20:50:44] <petenix> pfexec pkg image-update reports that there is no update available ...
[20:50:50] <petenix> I am running build 99
[20:51:05] <glance> gothos: lots
[20:51:12] <Stric> petenix: and /topic agrees
[20:51:35] <gothos> glance: And how does it work?
[20:51:54] <glance> gothos: poor preformance, and a lot of quirks, but with 1.91 it atleast works.
[20:52:12] <petenix> then what was e^ipi on about?
[20:53:06] <Stric> petenix: snv101 is out.. but not in osol2008xx flavour
[20:53:21] <petenix> Ah
[20:53:28] <gothos> glance: damn, we've quite severe performance problems with linux currently and wanted to try some other OS on the machines
[20:53:51] <Stric> from what I've heard, cciss has quite severe performance problems..
[20:54:11] <gothos> Stric: The driver or the hardware?
[20:54:28] <glance> gothos: both linux and solaris have poor preformance, because of the hardware.
[20:54:36] <mshadle> i have cciss running on linux ;p
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[20:54:43] <mshadle> had to make a custom bootdisk, bleh
[20:55:37] <gothos> glance: yeah, our tests on windoze wern't so good either
[20:55:38] <glance> just by cheap lsi-controllers and move the scsi-cable, then you get preformance
[20:56:51] <gothos> yes, that's the backup plan
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[20:57:28] <mshadle> how hard would it be to grab just the e1000g driver from b101?
[20:57:32] <mshadle> and install it on my b98
[20:57:44] <mshadle> from what i can tell there's been some updates to it recently
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[21:01:26] <mshadle> fucking christ.
[21:02:44] <alanc> not hard, just download the b101 .iso's and then pkgadd the package from there
[21:04:52] <mshadle> if i burn the b101 iso, and boot off of it, is there a way for me to say "upgrade the existing install"
[21:05:01] <mshadle> and it will do LU that way or something related?
[21:05:02] <e^ipi> yes
[21:05:10] <e^ipi> not liveupgrade
[21:05:14] <e^ipi> that implies the machine is live
[21:05:16] <mshadle> okay. i think i might feel a little bit more comfortable doing that first :)
[21:05:17] <e^ipi> (hence the name)
[21:05:39] <mshadle> yeah sorry for the improper terminology
[21:06:08] <mshadle> im a little pissed off though, i can't get files off this and all i want to do is throw some tv shows on a drive for my dad in the hospital.
[21:06:29] <mshadle> who would have thought once i dumped all my files on this box i can't get them off in a decent speed
[21:06:36] <alanc> live upgrade is "while the machine is running, copy the boot environment to another slice, upgrade that copy, then reboot into it"
[21:06:57] <alanc> boot off cd is "upgrade the current copy while nothing is running but the installer"
[21:07:06] <mshadle> yeah i got it
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[21:07:36] <alanc> the nice thing about live upgrade is the old copy is still there if something went wrong
[21:07:52] <mshadle> well either way i am still waiting for the iso
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[21:08:33] <alanc> (though technically, the previous description is "ufs live upgrade" - the same tools now do live upgrade on zfs by making a snapshot instead of a copy)
[21:09:17] <mshadle> luupgrade -u -n rpool -s /mnt/cdrom
[21:09:23] <mshadle> something like that?
[21:10:02] <mshadle> (assuming /mnt/cdrom is where the dvd is mounted)
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[21:10:31] <e^ipi> not really
[21:10:40] <e^ipi> lucreate, luupgrade, luactivate, reboot
[21:11:08] <mshadle> i think im looking at the wrong doc
[21:12:55] <mshadle> this is my existing zfs setup
[21:12:56] <mshadle> rpool              8.71G   138G    36K  /rpool
[21:12:56] <mshadle> rpool/ROOT         5.71G   138G    18K  legacy
[21:12:56] <mshadle> rpool/ROOT/snv_98  5.71G   138G  5.71G  /
[21:13:05] <mshadle> so i would do:
[21:13:06] <mshadle> lucreate -p rpool -n snv_101
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[21:13:45] <holcomb> drop the -p?
[21:14:02] <holcomb> not sure if that would cause a problem, but you can leave the -p rpool off
[21:14:17] <mshadle> oh. well i already ran it and it -appears- like i have it ready
[21:14:24] <mshadle> [root@nas01 ~]# lustatus
[21:14:24] <mshadle> Boot Environment           Is       Active Active    Can    Copy
[21:14:24] <mshadle> Name                       Complete Now    On Reboot Delete Status
[21:14:24] <mshadle> snv_98                     yes      yes    yes       no     -
[21:14:24] <mshadle> snv_101                    yes      no     no        yes    -
[21:16:34] <e^ipi> yeah, now you just luupgrade the new one
[21:16:45] <mshadle> im trying to find an example of the luupgrade command now
[21:17:12] <holcomb> luupgrade -u -n snv_101 -s /path/to/media
[21:17:19] <mshadle> yup, just found that
[21:17:46] <mshadle> then luactivate snv_101
[21:17:53] <e^ipi> you'll probably want to install the new liveupgrade tools from the DVD though
[21:17:58] <mshadle> then init 6
[21:17:58] <mshadle> ?
[21:18:15] <mshadle> (ref: http://notallmicrosoft.blogspot.com/2008/10/recap-live-upgrade-with-zfs-root-using.html)
[21:18:24] <mshadle> e^ipi: how do i do that? :p
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[21:20:09] <e^ipi> <dvd mountpoint>/Solaris_11/Tools/setup_install_server
[21:20:33] <e^ipi> otherwise as of 100 it tries to load a kmod and then panics
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[21:20:50] <e^ipi> the LU docs warn you to do that, but nobody pays attention to it
[21:20:54] <throwt> wow, lu and zfs works?  ill have to check that out
[21:20:55] <holcomb> heh
[21:21:03] <mshadle> so i just run that command?
[21:21:04] <throwt> zfs root
[21:21:09] <e^ipi> mshadle: yes
[21:21:11] <mshadle> "setup_install_server"
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[21:21:26] <mshadle> okay. thanks so much. there is a ton of documentation, sol10 has like, 10 different live upgrade examples
[21:21:35] <mshadle> and i think they're different than osol/nevada anyway
[21:21:49] <mshadle> and it could all be summarized with those 4 lines :p
[21:21:55] <e^ipi> only in so far as they use UFS
[21:22:17] <mshadle> i have another b94 box that is not using mirrored zfs root, i think standard ufs
[21:22:30] <mshadle> i want to get it updated too at some point. i can just do a DVD based "upgrade" then right
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[21:22:45] <mshadle> b94 -> b101 using booted DVD shouldnt have any issues
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[21:23:16] <e^ipi> mshadle: you can LU from ufs -> zfs
[21:23:28] <mshadle> so i could convert the single disk boot volume to zfs now?
[21:23:48] <e^ipi> yes, but you'd need another partition to flip to
[21:23:54] <mshadle> hrm
[21:23:58] <e^ipi> or another disk, and turn it in to a mirror
[21:24:07] <Stric> it doesn't do in-place filesystem conversion
[21:24:07] <e^ipi> or not, whatever
[21:24:11] <e^ipi> i have spare disks
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[21:24:57] <mshadle> i dont have room in th  case for another disk but i think ive got a spare IDE disk around i could use
[21:25:12] <th> th case?
[21:25:20] <e^ipi> you don't really need it to be permanent
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[21:25:39] <e^ipi> just long enough to LU to it, then convert your old disk, LU to that, and yank the new one
[21:25:51] <mshadle> yeah.
[21:26:21] <mshadle> that would be my plan just temporary. does it need same size/geometry/anything
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[21:26:34] <e^ipi> by the way, since you've only got one disk, check out the 'copies' zfs property
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[21:26:48] <mshadle> then once that is converted to zfs, i can do in-place zfs LU in the future yah?
[21:26:50] <e^ipi> you can get all the auto-fix magic on a single disk, but you burn through space twice as fast
[21:27:02] <e^ipi> yes.
[21:27:12] <mshadle> yeah i gotcha. it wasnt extremely important to have that be redundant/mirrored boot
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[21:34:32] <praks> hi ... is there a log of all the traffic in this channel aggreagted somewhere, earlier it was available at uwyn.com/drone/bevinbot . thanks
[21:35:11] <mshadle> how do you unplumb/replumb a nic?
[21:35:37] <praks> ifconfig <nic> unplumb
[21:35:47] <praks> ifconfig <nic> plumb
[21:36:04] <e^ipi> praks: no, i got rid of it because it's rude to record a conversation that is by design transient
[21:36:33] <e^ipi> for more permanent convo, use the mail lists
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[21:37:46] <praks> thanks @e^ipi, i used to find the conversations very informative and have learned a lot but i agree with your POV thansk
[21:38:49] <e^ipi> your IRC client tab-completes with op demarcation?
[21:39:48] <praks> sorry, did not understand what you meant
[21:40:20] <e^ipi> you typed @e^ipi
[21:40:32] <e^ipi> rather than typing e^<tab>
[21:41:00] <e^ipi> @ just means the kick/ban/topic/etc privs
[21:41:01] <praks> ok, i just copied/pasted that :)
[21:41:13] <e^ipi> i just thought it curious
[21:41:39] <praks> i am new to this stuff
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[21:46:54] <mshadle> sweet! someone posted a workaround and it is working
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[21:51:57] <spo0ner> any Mac or Linux users in this forum as well?
[21:52:22] <spo0ner> hope it's not taboo to ask that
[21:53:02] <hudnix> off with his head.
[21:53:37] <spo0ner> well...just want to respect the room
[21:53:51] <spo0ner> I received something in email and wanted to share it with the world
[21:53:54] <alanc> depends why you ask - if you're looking for help with those, there's hundreds of better channels on freenode to get Linux help in
[21:54:00] <spo0ner> I'm kinda viral like that I guess
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[21:54:21] <spo0ner> codeweavers offers an app called crossover
[21:54:29] <spo0ner> well they're giving it away for free today only
[21:54:33] <spo0ner> http://down.codeweavers.com/
[21:54:41] <alanc> it's the commercialized form of Wine
[21:54:46] <spo0ner> so I figured I would spread the word
[21:54:49] <spo0ner> yeah
[21:54:55] <spo0ner> and good for some games
[21:55:07] <flip> how does one create a new user in opensol with all of the permissions as the default user
[21:55:11] <flip> able to 'su' etc
[21:55:39] <petenix> is screen a typical terminal app to run on solaris?
[21:56:10] <flip> screen rules
[21:56:58] <petenix> what package is it in?
[21:57:05] <flip> not sure i built it from src
[21:57:12] <petenix> pkg search screen does not give me anything interesting
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[21:58:31] <codestr0m> does anyone around here have any comments for/against git.. I mean I know opensolaris uses hg, but ever any thoughts to why that was chosen instead of git (I personally don't care if linus wrote it)
[21:58:41] <CosmicDJ> flip: man useradd; -G root
[21:59:22] <flip> CosmicDJ: is it possible to just add the user in /etc/groups to the root group?
[21:59:47] <flip> CosmicDJ: i added a user but when that user su's it says roles authorized blah blah (im sure you know the msg)
[21:59:55] <CosmicDJ> flip: man usermod
[22:00:54] <alanc> basename   file      usr/bin/screen            pkg:/SUNWscreen at 4 dot 0.3-0.100
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[22:01:09] <petenix> alanc: thanks
[22:01:15] <petenix> compiling screen did not work for me
[22:01:16] <alanc> need to remember to do 'pkg search -r screen' - the -r is to search the repository, not just already isntalled packages
[22:01:54] <CosmicDJ> petenix: the compiler error is easy to fix
[22:02:08] <alanc> oh, hm, looks like that may be new in build 100, which isn't on the pkg.opensolaris.org repo yet...
[22:02:18] <flip> thanks CosmicDJ that worked out quite well :P
[22:02:22] <petenix> CosmicDJ: oh, people know about it?
[22:02:28] <petenix> it was complaining about misc.c
[22:02:52] <CosmicDJ> petenix: yes, sadly they didn't manage to fix it in 4.0.3...
[22:02:53] <alanc> have to remember that my machine is set to the test internal repo
[22:03:40] <petenix> alanc: yeah :-/
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[22:04:10] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: check http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2008-10/dateindex.html for pro/cons git vs. hg
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[22:04:56] <flip> ok second question :P
[22:05:07] <flip> i just learned how to change my ip from dhcp to static w/ nwam
[22:05:36] <flip> can anyone point me @ documentation to bind the 2 local interfaces on my machine so that i can have the solaris equiv to a "redundency team"
[22:05:47] <alanc> yeah, http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6721648 confirms screen was first integrated to build 100
[22:06:39] <CosmicDJ> flip: man dladm :/aggr
[22:07:06] <timtux> God damnit, the update server is really slow
[22:07:25] <timtux> Takes like 6 hours to download 4.6GB
[22:07:28] <timtux> No mirrors?
[22:08:04] <myrkraverk> is it possible to modify the run path of an executable?
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[22:09:27] <CosmicDJ> myrkraverk: sure ; just mv it to somewhere else; runpath changed ;)
[22:09:53] <myrkraverk> CosmicDJ, I men the -R stuff ;) -- and I found this blog: http://blogs.sun.com/ali/entry/changing_elf_runpaths
[22:10:16] <myrkraverk> I just don't know if my snv is late enough (77) -- this seems to be referencing 80 (but I'm not sure)
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[22:11:34] <Yorlik> VMWare VMI seems to be 32bit only, right ? When I enabled VMI Nevade booted the 32 bit kernel instead of 64 bit.
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[22:12:11] <Stric> Yorlik: the installer or the installed os? installer seems to run 32bit on x86 always
[22:12:49] <hrist> my grub says it's 64bit but a file /some/path/to/a/binary always says 32bitblabal
[22:12:54] <Yorlik> After isntallation. I had the 64 bit kernel running already, but after changing VMI to enabled for the guest it chosed the 32 bit kernel
[22:12:55] <ottom> myrkraverk: if you have /usr/bin/elfedit then it'll work.  It's in 79, don't know about 77
[22:13:16] <myrkraverk> yup, I have it ;)
[22:13:29] <myrkraverk> ottom, thanks
[22:13:50] <ottom> OK, then the other gotcha is that it'll only work if there's spare room in the ELF header.
[22:14:09] <Yorlik> Stric: Seems the VMI switch forces 32bit kernel - switching it off goes back to 64 bit
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[22:14:23] <ottom> so it's easy to replace a long runpath by a short one, but might not work the other way around
[22:14:41] <ottom> in that case you might be able to use a symlink to fake a short runpath
[22:15:16] <ottom> if that doesn't work (maybe you need to add a bunch of runpaths and there's no room) then you can revert to using 'crle'
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[22:17:42] <myrkraverk> ottom, I'll rather use a wrapper script, I think ;)
[22:18:31] <ottom> yeah, that'll work too.
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[22:25:00] <okra> Trying to get opensolaris working on my hp dv6736nr.. wireless is atheros 5007eg, which gets incorrectly read as atheros 5006eg.. I'm having no luck getting wireless to work. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[22:27:37] <flip> hrmm .... trying to connect from my mac to my opensol box using a cifs share i get a No locks available error
[22:27:40] <flip> anyone ever see this?
[22:28:22] <CosmicDJ> nope, I'm getting my files via nfs :)
[22:28:40] <e^ipi> no, i'm with CosmicDJ on that one
[22:28:52] <e^ipi> but i did see something fly by the putback logs about CIFS and osx
[22:29:05] <flip> yea but i also have to share the same info from a windows box..
[22:29:13] <flip> so i thought cifs would be more helpful :F
[22:29:28] <e^ipi> bugid 6741484
[22:30:30] <flip> how do i change my passwd :F
[22:30:38] <flip> 'passwd user' gives me permission denied
[22:30:40] <flip> and the user is ME
[22:30:40] <flip> hah
[22:30:59] <flip> and as root it does the same thing for this user
[22:31:00] <flip> :\
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[22:45:59] <okra> so no one has been able to get a 5007eg atheros card working?
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[23:09:08] <_setuid_H> Almost Midnight all :-)
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[23:14:27] <Tilt> os.getlogin() relies on utmp
[23:14:45] <Tilt> all my problems all these days was becuse of that
[23:15:01] <Tilt> screen doesnt log to utmp
[23:15:13] <Tilt> os.getlogin() was puking all over my screen
[23:16:00] * Tilt croses python off his good lang list
[23:17:57] <e^ipi> a list implies that it is nonempty
[23:18:07] <e^ipi> every language sucks in new and interesting ways
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[23:19:03] <Tilt> well unix.py shouldn't (and doesn't anymore) of been using os.getlogin()
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[23:19:21] <Tilt> but brb.... updating to 101
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[23:21:06] <_setuid_H> Tilt: I heard that there is some problem in luupgrade if you're updating to 101. I think that it was halting
[23:21:31] <e^ipi> panics actually
[23:21:40] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: ok
[23:21:51] <e^ipi> and only if you forget to install the new LU packages
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[23:22:16] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: I have a panic on my paper (matrixes) :-)
[23:22:35] <e^ipi> what about matrixes?
[23:23:09] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: formulas
[23:23:17] <e^ipi> what?
[23:23:30] <e^ipi> lin. algebra or am i misunderstanding?
[23:23:32] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: (A-D)X1=A ....
[23:23:37] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: Yeah
[23:23:45] <e^ipi> i liked linear algebra actually
[23:24:05] <e^ipi> hated calculus and related
[23:24:09] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: I'm at the mathematical-physical faculty
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[23:24:22] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: or how to say in english :-)
[23:25:11] <e^ipi> dept. of physics or dept. of math or similar but i get what you mean
[23:26:04] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: but I have no physics class :-)
[23:26:58] <_setuid_H> e^ipi: just mathematical analytics, discret mathematic , mathematical analyze, programming, os & sys architecture ...
[23:27:16] <_setuid_H> I like mathematics at all
[23:27:27] <e^ipi> you do like it or you don't like it?
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[23:27:47] <_setuid_H> but I'm a little handycaped  by not so much math at high school
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[23:40:49] <pjfloyd> LU - lower/upper decomposition of matrices for direct solution by forwards/backwards substitution
[23:41:06] <pjfloyd> not to be confused with live upgrade
[23:41:24] <e^ipi> i make that mistake all the time
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[23:58:51] <_setuid_H> pjfloy: :-)





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