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[00:26:31] <codestr0m> anyone able to recommend a x86_64 compilier on solaris (oss or commercial) that gives good optimizations and isn't sun cc or gcc..
[00:28:04] <Ender2070> whats wrong with gcc
[00:29:08] <codestr0m> Ender2070: that's not in debate here.. was simply hoping there's something else available
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[00:33:27] <e^ipi> Ender2070: plenty's wrong with GCC, but in either case, i'm not sure that there are any other compilers, and even if there were i'd be surprised if they outperformed sun's compilers
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[00:35:36] <moazamraja> codestr0m: there is one company that makes compilers still for Solaris...damnit, i totally forge their name :(
[00:35:45] <moazamraja> something with a F...Fortress, or something
[00:36:27] <palowoda> Are you talking about Forte
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[00:36:39] <moazamraja> no
[00:37:02] <moazamraja> i worked on forte/studio..i'm prolly just getting the name mangled
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[00:37:17] <moazamraja> tiny company, they had good compilers, ....damnit...
[00:37:23] <palowoda> There was one up in Oregon that optimized a gcc compiler.  Metaware use to deliver one.
[00:38:34] <palowoda> Actually the greenhills metaware backend was crappy but that was long ago.
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[00:41:32] <moazamraja> Portland Group
[00:41:40] <moazamraja> that's what I was thinking of
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[00:42:43] <moazamraja> looks like they dont do Solaris anymore
[00:43:19] <palowoda> Yes I've talked with them a few times.  But they where concentrating on Fortran optimization if I remember correct.
[00:43:25] <moazamraja> yuhp
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[00:57:35] <ahmed-tux> palowoda: hello
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[01:16:04] <codestr0m> moazamraja: I think I'm either going to put a bounty on porting open64 or try to do it myself
[01:16:37] <codestr0m> if nothing else it'll be academic and a learning experience
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[01:24:49] <wonko2> who's up for porting Solaris to the VAX?  ;)
[01:25:52] <vmlemon_> Solaris on MIPS or ARM? ;)
[01:26:42] <vmlemon_> (It needs to run on toasters, to try and beat the NetBSD folks, of course) ;0
[01:26:44] <vmlemon_> ;)
[01:26:48] * pumpkin ports solaris to the iPhone
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[01:29:08] <codestr0m> pumpkin: I know that's not true.. you can't get the binaries down small enough ;)
[01:29:19] <vmlemon_> Solbian!
[01:29:37] <pumpkin> codestr0m: hah :P it's actually fairly powerful
[01:29:54] <pumpkin> but I'd need to write many many drivers
[01:30:27] <vmlemon_> Solaris for PlayStation 3 might be novel, although I doubt it would be useful
[01:30:27] <vmlemon_> or perform well
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[01:30:58] <codestr0m> well.. I've shrunk things down about as far as I could playing around and outside of just point init to /bin/sh and doing things busybox style. there's still no way it's ready to fit on a floppy :P
[01:31:09] <codestr0m> ps3 is ppc?
[01:31:22] <codestr0m> there's guys working on that arch iirc
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[01:32:01] <codestr0m> (I didn't try to shrink kernel or remove a lot of drivers in all fairness though)
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[01:33:19] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: ps3 is cell IIRC
[01:34:05] <pumpkin> it is PPC though
[01:35:57] <CosmicDJ> it's like calling amd64 x86 IMHO
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[01:37:12] <topgun17> How does one  get opensolaris isos for AMD 64bit systems
[01:37:17] <codestr0m> I'm not sure how to look at it.. from a porting standpoint I think ppc would be the closest thing, but CosmicDJ is right.
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[01:37:49] <codestr0m> topgun17: pull the x86 iso.. it'll detect which binaries to use, but honestly.. most things that don't need to be x86_64 are still just 32bit
[01:38:05] <codestr0m> (except libhal.. which will piss you off if you go down a road path)
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[01:38:22] <codestr0m> *wrong*
[01:38:26] <CosmicDJ> topgun17: cdrom will alway boot 32bit; install it to get 64bit
[01:38:33] <CosmicDJ> alway+s
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[01:49:34] <Alasdairrr> Hi - I'm interested in contributing to CoolStack and potentially other OpenSolaris projects in the future
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[01:54:35] <Tilt> are any of you on the opensolaris-help mailing list ?
[01:54:57] <Tilt> i've sent to e-mails to it and not seen them show up so far
[01:55:10] <Tilt> but i have seen some others
[01:55:20] <Tilt> so i know i'm getting the mailing list
[01:56:32] <Tilt> crap.... i was hoping this pkg/python problem would just be a random file corruption problem, but my scrub came back clean
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[02:00:23] <Alasdairrr> Rather quiet in here today Tilt
[02:00:33] <Alasdairrr> I think people are out having lives, unlike me
[02:00:58] <Tilt> i'm recovering from a cold so i decided to fight with python than goto the bar
[02:01:09] <Tilt> :)
[02:02:54] <Alasdairrr> I'm fiddling with compiling things, setting up a development environment, and generally being nerdy
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[02:21:23] <Tilt> its weird how nobody in python or in here can offer any assistance with this intresting problem
[02:22:10] <Tilt> i can't even figure out what xml it's reading so i can varify the xml isn't corrupt as a friend of mine is good with python, and he as well as i agreed it could be the problem
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[02:34:41] <bda> Tilt: truss? pfiles?
[02:35:19] <Tilt> it does before i can get pfiles... and i never used truss
[02:35:27] <Tilt> s/does/dies/g
[02:35:54] <jamesd> tilt   truss  "command to run"   or -p  pid
[02:36:09] <bda> truss. Or DTrace Toolkit's dtruss. Or D looking for opens or ...
[02:36:16] <Tilt> i just read the man page :)
[02:36:22] <Tilt> i'm trying it now
[02:37:55] <Tilt> okay... this might take me a month to go through... hehe
[02:39:11] <jamesd> just watch the end..
[02:39:45] <bda> Tell truss to only look for opens. Dump the output to a file and grep for opens.
[02:39:57] <bda> Have you replicated whatever problem you're having on a similar system?
[02:40:26] <bda> Have you checked bugs.opensolaris.org?
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[02:50:49] <Raylz> is solaris very different from linux?
[02:51:12] <Raylz> and does solaris use a micro kernel?
[02:52:26] <jbk> the internals of the kernel are quite different, but it's still a monolithic kernel (though was modularized before linux even existed)
[02:52:39] <jamesd> solaris is what linus torvalds wanted when he set out to design his own OS
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[02:53:05] <jbk> should have paid more attention in class then :)
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[02:54:07] <Raylz> jbk: hehe, im using gentoo atm, but solaris sounds really interesting
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[02:54:55] <jbk> i like it, but just be willing to accept some things might be different
[02:55:06] <Raylz> jbk: like?
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[02:56:33] <jbk> well one of the big ones is that it supports several different standards as well as preserving backwards compatability
[02:56:57] <jbk> so sometimes there are multiple copies of a utility in different locations (so that someone can merely adjust their path to get the desired behavior)
[02:57:11] <jbk> so (for example) if you want the BSD ps behavior
[02:57:16] <jbk> you use /usr/ucb/ps
[02:57:26] <jbk> /usr/bin/ps gives you the traditional sysv behavior / output
[02:57:56] <jbk> that seems to irk some people
[02:58:39] <Raylz> ye, backwardcompability isnt always the best thing
[02:59:00] <jbk> they've done a pretty good job (not perfect though) of keeping it from being a hinderance
[02:59:08] <Alasdairrr> It does at first, anyway. I've only been properly using Solaris for a few months now, but once you realise that there's a normal ps lurking under /usr/ucb you stop being bothered by it. But strangely you keep using the /usr/bin/ps :)
[02:59:19] <jbk> nothing having things break when you upgrade is nice
[02:00:09] <jbk> err not having
[02:00:53] <_mary_kate_> /usr/ucb/ps is not exactly normal.  like everything under /usr/ucb, it exists only for compatibility with SunOS4 (which became obsolete around 1996)
[02:00:55] <Tilt> want a more gnu like system.... put /usr/gnu/bin earlier in your path
[02:01:15] <_mary_kate_> it's likely to be buggy and behave strangely, and it has some formatting conventions that are unsuitable for modern systems (narrow columns)
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[02:03:17] <Raylz> sounds more suited for servers
[02:03:20] <Tilt> only a couple things do i prefer of the gnu tools.... a ls that does colours and a tar that supports -j and -z (linked to zlib i bealive) i got away with just aliasing those
[02:03:50] <nachox> those seem to be the most requested gnu features
[02:04:12] <Tilt> yes
[02:04:18] <nachox> strangely the first thing i write in a red hat terminal is usually unalias ls to get rid of the colors
[02:04:27] <Tilt> hehe
[02:04:29] <Raylz> those different paths would bug me a lot i guess^^
[02:04:51] <nachox> blue on black makes directories hard to read for me
[02:04:55] <Raylz> it somewhat fragments your stuff
[02:05:16] <nachox> they are there for a good reason
[02:05:19] <_mary_kate_> Raylz: no, it's not suitable for anything.  why would you think it's any better on servers?
[02:06:22] <Tilt> once and a while i come across a script or something that expects everything to be gnu tools, and i just prefix it with PATH=/usr/gnu/bin:$PATH <name of stupid script>
[02:06:23] <Alasdairrr> Blue on black is hard to read, but some terminals let you adjust the RGB values, so you can adjust ansi-blue
[02:06:24] <Raylz> _mary_kate_: it seems to be very robust for updates
[02:06:34] <Tilt> usualy that fix's it
[02:07:05] <_mary_kate_> Raylz: unlike linux, solaris doesn't break backward compatibility for system tools in every release.  you don't need to use obsolete 15-year-old tools to get that guarantee
[02:07:27] <Alasdairrr> If you're new to Solaris like myself, and want to learn a thing or two about compiling things on Solaris, examining the scripts to build Coolstack (http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack/) helps a lot.
[02:07:31] <nachox> Tilt, having scripts that depend on the current path of the user is usually a bad idea, the first thing you should do in a script is override the PATH
[02:08:37] <Alasdairrr> It's interesting, Coolstack expects you to have SUNWgmake, SUNWgcc, autoconf from blastwave, Sun Studio, amongst other things
[02:08:40] <Tilt> no they expect gawk, but call awk... stuff like that
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[02:09:23] <Raylz> Alasdairrr: ty
[02:10:01] <Tilt> just temporarly telling it to look for stuff in /usr/gnu/bin before other places fix's stuff like that
[02:10:17] <Tilt> some configure scripts i've had to do that with
[02:11:30] <Alasdairrr> Not that I've configured a huge amount of stuff on Solaris, but what I seem to encounter is a lot of assumptions about what you're up to and where things are
[02:12:33] <nachox> how so?
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[02:13:51] <Alasdairrr> Nexenta is perhaps a better example, configure scripts detect "Solaris" as the system type then assume where things are in a braindead fashion
[02:14:19] <nachox> if you want solaris, just use solaris
[02:14:36] <Raylz> kde default environment?
[02:14:40] <Raylz> is gnome available?
[02:15:03] <nachox> gnome is available, yes
[02:15:05] <_mary_kate_> Raylz: where?  the default desktop would be a choice of the distribution
[02:15:18] <_mary_kate_> most distributions use JDS (GNOME), since that's what Sun use
[02:15:43] <Raylz> nice
[02:15:59] <nachox> jds is dead
[02:16:24] <Tilt> i remember that meaning, and they wanted us all to check out when they first starting gnuing up solaris.... i was pissed afterstep was gone :(
[02:16:43] <Tilt> s/meaning/meating/
[02:17:11] <Tilt> if you wanted gnome you fired up helix and installed it
[02:17:23] <_mary_kate_> meating?  is that where everyone gets together and has a barbeque? ;)
[02:17:25] <nachox> as long as proper solaris doesnt have gnu stuff in the path, they can do whatever they want
[02:17:33] <Tilt> but nof gnome is much better than it was back then, so i don't mind my precious afterstep missing
[02:17:45] <_mary_kate_> Tilt: which version of solaris used afterstep?  are you thinking of openstep?
[02:17:59] <Tilt> meeting.... i'm a few beers short of finishing a case right now ;)
[02:18:21] <Tilt> it was sol7 i think, and it was on the supplamental CD
[02:18:27] <_mary_kate_> yeah, openstep
[02:18:44] <_mary_kate_> it's based on NeXTSTEP (like Afterstep is), but not the same thing... and it's also a complete desktop, while afterstep is mostly just a WM
[02:19:46] <Tilt> lemme find one of my old screenshots, i think it was afterstep not openstep, i might be wrong though, i always get them mixed up
[02:19:52] <_mary_kate_> hmm
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[02:19:58] <_mary_kate_> actually, maybe openstep was 2.5
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[02:23:25] <Tilt> nope... it was afterstep
[02:23:29] <Tilt> and it was solaris 8
[02:24:02] <Tilt> and the CD was the "companion software"
[02:24:12] <Tilt> not supp
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[02:33:49] <Tilt> either way, my pkg is broken, and i don't like to install from source unless i absolutly have to
[02:34:44] <Tilt> i'm pretty sure it's either a python path problem, or a language path problem
[02:34:58] <Tilt> i'm moving away from the idea it's corrupt xml
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[02:52:12] <Alasdairrr> nachox, mhash is a good example - just compiled it now. The code won't compile with Sun Studio without applying a small patch and setting obscure cc flags that the autoconf script doesn't already have. Someone has posted to their mailing list, so hopefully they'll fix it eventually - but mhash is a fairly "standard" FOSS library used these days.
[02:52:26] <Alasdairrr> But i'm sure as time goes on most of these projects will fix their autoconf scripts
[02:54:59] <nachox> Alasdairrr, the problem is that developers are using linux instead of solaris or something more stable interface-wise
[02:55:31] <ninjaslim> what's mhash for?
[02:56:37] <nachox> "Mhash is a free (under GNU Lesser GPL) library which provides a uniform interface to a large number of hash algorithms. These algorithms can be used to compute checksums, message digests, and other signatures."
[02:57:23] <Alasdairrr> MCrypt throws "-Wall" at whichever cc you give it, which barfs on Sun Studio :/ I am jotting this all down, I'll hopefully find time to submit patches to the projects
[02:57:38] <ninjaslim> right but which operating systems use this
[02:57:49] <ninjaslim> i thought linux and such used GNU hash unless that's not the actually liubrary
[02:58:05] <Tilt> mhash is a bit faster
[02:58:06] <nachox> ouch, well, the developer assumed people would just use gcc instead of any other C compiler..
[02:58:18] <Tilt> some developers choose to use it
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[02:58:40] <Alasdairrr> I'm compiling mhash/mcrypt/libmcrypt on Solaris 10 update 5. My goal with this is to produce the mcrypt library for PHP, which a lot of php software complains about if you don't have it (PHPMyAdmin for example)
[02:58:43] <Tilt> 99% of the problem is poor development practices, and bad assumptions
[02:58:52] <Alasdairrr> Absolutely
[02:58:59] <nachox> agreed
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[02:59:46] <Tilt> often i have to hand edit Makefiles to remove flags, or correct them, and i try and let developers know about the problem, but rarely hear back
[03:00:05] <ninjaslim> a lot of those assumptions come from the GNU development ideology
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[03:00:48] <Alasdairrr> You know what would be handy, is if the source control software they use (svn etc) could be set to accept commits from other people, but not apply them until they're reviewed by an admin, who can just say y/n.
[03:00:48] <Tilt> many gnu tools know you did something wrong and silently correct them the way they think you mean to do things
[03:00:48] <nachox> they come from developers that assume you will only compile with gcc and write their Makefiles accordingly
[03:00:53] <Alasdairrr> Most of the issue is sheer lazyness
[03:01:55] <nachox> silently correct stuff is just bad
[03:02:43] <Tilt> if it's correcting things it should say something, which it often doesn't
[03:02:51] <Tilt> gcc makes TONS of assumptions
[03:03:13] <nachox> that's why we use sun studio :P
[03:03:29] <Tilt> it used to say "this is wrong, you should do it this way, and this is why" but they seemed to have abandoned this
[03:04:13] <nachox> maybe it should fix it, but it should also let you know it did
[03:05:06] <Tilt> recently we found a bug with epic5 when compiled with -O under gcc.... it assumes your code is C99, where as epic is coded in C89 standards
[03:05:19] <_mary_kate_> Tilt: that was only for -O2, no?
[03:05:32] <Tilt> err, yes O2
[03:05:53] <Tilt> many ppl with gentoo and such have -O3 in their CFLAGS
[03:06:02] <Tilt> and epic was randomly dying
[03:07:56] <Tilt> speaking of that i wonder if hop fixed the thing... when you ask for threaded output and are using sun c, it appends the wrong flags to the compiler
[03:08:15] <_mary_kate_> that's probably my fault, i wrore the threaded stdio stuff
[03:08:51] <Tilt> what "bug" in screen was it supposed to fix.... he couldn't quite explain it to me
[03:09:09] <Tilt> he said he could never produce the problem you were having
[03:09:26] <_mary_kate_> sometimes screen decided to stop accepting input from the program running inside it until something else happens (it seems to be when the ssh connection dies, screen will hang until the tcp connection times out)
[03:09:50] <_mary_kate_> it doesn't happen all the time, but very often.  i never found out whose fault it really was
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[03:10:26] <Tilt> ahh
[03:10:49] <Tilt> he said the code looked good, so he threw it in ;)
[03:11:12] <Tilt> i thought your nick seemed fermiliar
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[03:13:57] <swankier> does anyone have any tips on connecting to iLOM over an ssh socks proxy (to reach iLOM on a management network)
[03:14:13] <nachox> epic is the irc client?
[03:14:21] <_mary_kate_> yes
[03:16:09] <Tilt> i prefer it to irssi... as i like to make my client the way i like, and not have to learn how somebody else thinks i should do things
[03:16:47] * _mary_kate_ started with ircII 2.9, before irssi existed.. saw no reason to change
[03:16:48] <Tilt> and since we stopped developing bx, epic feels more like home
[03:16:59] * Tilt started with telnet
[03:17:31] <Tilt> telnet to ircII to epic to bitchx to epic
[03:17:44] <Tilt> the circle of life is nearly complete
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[03:18:22] <Doc> i started with ircII
[03:18:33] <Doc> and apparently i'm still there...
[03:19:15] <Tilt> i got sick of applying patches to get colour support, so i just moved to epic
[03:20:06] <_mary_kate_> the current ircii actually supports utf-8, which is still missing proper support in epic ;(
[03:20:59] <Tilt> lol, we been talking about that allot in #epic
[03:21:47] <Tilt> he said if somebody wanted to write it, they are welcome to do so...
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[03:23:06] <Tilt> the way he explains it, it'll be a real SOB
[03:23:43] <nachox> SOB?
[03:23:46] <Tilt> i been trying to convince him to add a module api and then write things like that in as modules
[03:23:56] <Tilt> sob = sunovabitch
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[03:24:04] <Tilt> sonofabitch
[03:24:14] <nachox> ohh
[03:24:39] <nachox> i just like xchat...
[03:25:23] <_mary_kate_> Tilt: epic does this weird thing internally where it stores characters as 2 bytes, with one byte representing styling (colours, bold, etc)... i guess that would be inconvenient to change
[03:25:42] <Tilt> i tried gui clients, and i have nothing against them persay... but since i been ircing for 15 years text based i catch myself useing / commands for everything in gui clients, which i feel defeats the reason for running a gui
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[03:26:32] <Tilt> _mary_kate_, yah, that's one of the things he was trying to explain
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[03:26:48] <nachox> dont get me wrong, i'm used to the console, i used to just use mutt for my mail in my last workplace till my boss decided to standarize on evolution
[03:27:37] <Tilt> i cant see as either one is better, console or gui, but as per a personal prefrence i like console irc clients
[03:27:40] <nachox> but when it comes to web browsing or irc i guess xchat and firefox feel more natural
[03:28:20] <Tilt> and i don't have to learn a new scripting language in order to do something i like in clients
[03:29:41] <Tilt> i tried to do something simple in irssi and it took me like an hour of reasearch to do it..... in epic i know how to just type /alias wcn {^clear;^window next}
[03:31:47] <Tilt> then /bind ^] parse_command wcn
[03:32:13] <Tilt> alias and bind work VERY differently in other clients...
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[03:33:38] <Tilt> and besides, look how well hop documents http://epicsol.org/help/symbolctl
[03:35:59] * nachox is happy sun decided to include pidgin and then xchat, chatzilla is just an insult
[03:37:13] <Tilt> xchat didn't come with osol
[03:37:24] <Tilt> only on ips ?
[03:38:08] <nachox> i think there was an arc discussion about it, i cant remember when
[03:38:58] <Tilt> doesn't xchat rely on some older libs that have been discontinued ?
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[03:39:44] <nachox> not sure
[03:41:18] <Tilt> i'm looking now :)
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[03:44:25] <nachox> i should go to sleep, night all
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[03:45:00] <nsec01> Got to add this to the opensolaris topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r3JSciJf5M
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[03:49:49] <Tilt> open source pony tail market... intresting
[03:52:49] <Plazma> haha
[03:53:52] <Tilt> when i was their scott was, i don't know as i ever met this schwartz guy
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[03:54:47] <bradd_> hi. does anyone know if I can get sunaudiosink to duplicate front channels to the back?
[03:54:50] <Tilt> i didn't even know scott left
[03:55:01] * Tilt doesn't know
[03:56:56] <Tilt> wow, this guy does indeed have quite the pony tail
[03:59:06] <Tilt> he looks kinda like the guy we used to refer to as "stinky breath guy"
[03:59:41] <Tilt> he always came over to ppl in the caf and had to get real close to you when he talked, and was clearly suffering from low blood sugar
[04:05:57] <Tilt> or was just in a constand state of ketosis, could of been on one of those 0 carb diets or something
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[04:13:53] <topgun17> How does one add a second harddisk formated in ntfs to the storage pool?
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[04:15:12] <jamesd> man zpool
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[04:23:35] <topgun17> How does one add a second harddisk formated in ntfs to the storage pool?
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[04:25:01] <moazamraja> topgun17: look at the help for command 'zpool'    ....i.e., man zpool
[04:26:35] <topgun17> moazamraja: How do i find the devive name of my primary sata hard drivre (e.x. sda)
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[04:41:59] <moazamraja> i typically run 'format' and then Ctrl-C out as soon as it shows me the connected/recognized devices
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[04:44:42] <Alasdairrr> "iostat -En"
[04:45:05] <Alasdairrr> that's a handy way to see what drives are in a box without resorting to running format
[04:46:37] <moazamraja> Alasdairrr: that'll list unmounted devices also, or devices without filesystems? (seems so)
[04:46:40] <moazamraja> if so, prety sweet
[04:47:38] <moazamraja> man, I have a server running snv_65 :(
[04:47:43] <moazamraja> with zones on it...
[04:48:00] <moazamraja> i gotta update this damn thing some way, what's the easiest way without causing too much downtime ?
[04:48:23] <moazamraja> update to nv_101 is the goal
[04:54:33] <Alasdairrr> Does OpenSolaris do updating between releases? Is there LiveUpgrade?
[04:55:08] <Alasdairrr> I've only updated Solaris 10 before
[04:55:08] <_Auralis> image-update  which is basicaly the same as lu
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[04:57:13] <moazamraja> _Auralis: can I 'lu' from snv65 to snv101 ?
[04:57:55] <_Auralis> can yes, not sure however if it will actually work
[04:58:13] <moazamraja> heheh
[04:58:13] <moazamraja> ok
[04:58:22] <moazamraja> i'll prolly have to just do an install to a new HD
[05:00:06] <Alasdairrr> Ah the downside of living on the bleeding edge
[05:00:18] <moazamraja> and...is it possible to do this over the network? or do I have to be at the serve,r in person ?
[05:01:25] <Alasdairrr> moazamraja, liveupgrade uses a spare partition (or disk perhaps - i haven't tried this), it upgrades a copy of your system rather than change your current install
[05:01:39] <Alasdairrr> So you could try it first, then reinstall if it doesn't work
[05:01:49] <Alasdairrr> Assuming image-update works in a similar way
[05:02:23] <_Auralis> it does, however image-update works only with zfs, while lu works with ufs as well
[05:02:33] <Alasdairrr> ah
[05:02:58] <Alasdairrr> did snv65 do zfs root boot?
[05:03:04] <Alasdairrr> might have a chicken/egg issue there
[05:03:33] <moazamraja> well, the system has 2 disks in it
[05:03:39] <moazamraja> can i lu over 2 disks?
[05:04:27] <_mary_kate_> Alasdairrr: yes, but in the old not very useful way, so very few people used it
[05:05:28] <Alasdairrr> I'm patiently waiting on Solaris 10 update 6 for the ZFS root, this coming week hopefully \o/
[05:05:35] <Alasdairrr> Can't wait :)
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[05:22:55] <evocallaghan> Hey, how is nv_101 ? You guys finding it a lot more stable then 99 ?
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[05:35:40] <moazamraja> i'm waiting for sxce b101...not out yet
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[05:44:15] <pumpkin> what happened to 100? :o
[05:45:45] <bda> It has issues.
[05:46:48] <moazamraja> got skipped
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[06:27:14] <Doc> how many of those issues had to do with it having a 3 digit build number?
[06:27:55] <e^ipi> nil
[06:28:51] <bda> ha. Flashbacks to PBP?
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[06:43:44] <swankier> what is the version I should be running in production?
[06:43:46] <swankier> 05?
[06:43:47] <swankier> 11?
[06:43:50] <swankier> snv_98?
[06:43:52] <swankier> snv_99?
[06:43:53] <_mary_kate_> solaris 10
[06:44:06] <swankier> what version of opensolaris?
[06:44:11] <_mary_kate_> none
[06:44:27] <swankier> if I had to, what version?
[06:45:12] <_mary_kate_> SXCE would be least worst, but i think the last build (99) had a couple of problems
[06:45:26] <swankier> exactly, I'm having trouble with it right now
[06:45:33] <swankier> and I need to get my production systems going again
[06:45:43] <swankier> I am trying to upgrade from 90 to 99
[06:45:46] <swankier> but it's failing every time
[06:45:50] <swankier> with different messages every time
[06:45:59] <_mary_kate_> what features do you need that S10 doesn't have?
[06:46:14] <swankier> uhm... "getting this to work in the next 10 minutes"
[06:46:32] <_mary_kate_> well changing to S10 from SXCE will probably be much easier than changing to 2008.05
[06:47:27] <swankier> I'm afraid that's not an option for me, because my zpool is too new
[06:47:33] <swankier> and I have many many terabytes of data
[06:47:52] <swankier> so what is the "stable" opensolaris?
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[06:48:20] <_mary_kate_> there isn't one, there's no production-ready opensolaris yet.  but SXCE is closest, as it's basically identical to S10 but with newer code
[06:48:30] <_mary_kate_> (unlike 2008.05, which has a completely new packaging system and distribution model)
[06:49:53] <topgun17> I am only a four day old opensolaris user and loving every minute of the experience, accept the fact the my realtek HD audio controller seems to have a knack for fowling if i reboot or when I first start the machine for the day.
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[06:51:32] <Lefty_> hi all, have a question about upgrading from snv_90 to snv_99
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[06:53:13] <topgun17> _mary_kate_: so if I under stand you correctly opensolaris is the testing ground for features that will soon show in production releases of Solaris?
[06:53:16] <LeftyBSD> is snv_99 considered stable?
[06:54:46] <_mary_kate_> topgun17: well, it's more like a beta/development version of solaris 11.  but often features are backported to solaris 10
[06:56:52] <topgun17> _mary_kate_: So I am basically running the unstable version of soalris, which would mean If i wanted to run a reliable system in a production environment I'd have to jump up to burnning the 7 cd for solaris?
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[07:33:24] <sikun> i just installed opensolaris on my laptop, but to get my ethernet to work i had to compile the driver ( its a bcm 440x ) but it seems to be working at least somewhat.. i have an ip on my network.. but i can't access the internet.. i can access anything on my local network though
[07:33:28] <sikun> i can't seem to figure it out.
[07:37:53] <bda> Is your default route set?
[07:40:17] <sikun> ah, got it
[07:40:32] <sikun> i did not have nsswitch.conf set correctly..
[07:40:35] <sikun> thought i did :/
[07:40:56] <bda> aha. Yeah. That's a pisser too.
[07:42:20] <Plazma> i must be blind.. i thought b100 was available for download
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[07:48:07] <psykoz> *waves to jbk*
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[08:52:24] <sikun> how can i check the temperature of my cpu?
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[08:53:26] <e^ipi> http://tinyurl.com/3or793
[08:54:19] <bda> ho ho.
[08:58:00] <bda> Man. The brain surgery scene in Saw 3 is pretty fucked up.
[08:58:03] <bda> And that's saying something.
[08:59:38] <qiyong> is there any offical doc of jumpstart from linux?
[08:59:54] <e^ipi> no
[09:00:04] <e^ipi> it's not a supported configuration
[09:00:18] <hooch> does opensolaris make a good xen dom0
[09:00:19] <hooch>  ?
[09:00:27] <pumpkin> ARGGHHHHH I HATE PEOPLE ON IRC SOMETIMES
[09:00:36] <e^ipi> hooch: it works for me just fine
[09:00:42] <e^ipi> pumpkin: +1
[09:00:45] <hooch> e^ipi: running linux guests?
[09:01:06] <e^ipi> hooch: i don't have any use for linux, but everything else seems to work fine
[09:01:21] <hooch> :) everything else being windows?
[09:01:29] <e^ipi> and other solaris guests
[09:01:47] <hooch> sounds like it's reasonably functional then
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[09:02:39] <e^ipi> i normally use zones for solaris virtual machines ( if you want to call it that ) but it doesn't work for everything
[09:02:45] <e^ipi> so, xen works
[09:03:13] <hooch> out of curiosity, what are the cases that zones doesn't fit the bill?
[09:03:39] <e^ipi> things that need /dev access
[09:03:53] <hooch> ah ok
[09:03:57] <e^ipi> a test suite i run needs to loopback mount some stuff
[09:04:04] <e^ipi> so it doesn't work with zones
[09:04:47] <hooch> i see
[09:05:19] <hooch> thanks. was thinking of moving my dom0 from redhat to opensolaris so i can use ZFS
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[09:05:44] <e^ipi> not an unreasonable thing to do
[09:06:07] <e^ipi> brandz might serve your purpose as well
[09:06:12] <e^ipi> ( maybe )
[09:06:32] * hooch looks that up
[09:06:40] <e^ipi> it's a linux zone
[09:07:00] <e^ipi> does some syscall mangling magic and you can run rhel in a zone
[09:07:31] <e^ipi> doesn't do 2.6, only 2.4 though, so you're limited to RHEL 3 IIRC
[09:08:04] <hooch> :) would probably just move my xen dom's over first i think.
[09:08:14] <e^ipi> yeah
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[09:08:51] <hooch> only get very minimal time for tasks like that so i usually do it in bite-sized pieces
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[09:10:25] <alka> hi, newbie question, is there an equivalent to 'whereis' on opensolaris ?
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[09:15:32] <bda> apropos?
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[09:22:20] <alka> kinda, but not quite
[09:22:25] <alka> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/802-5747-01/6i9g1at1e?l=fr&a=view&q=whereis+
[09:22:58] <alka> so it somehow exist under solaris i presume, but not opensolaris ?
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[09:25:44] <CosmicDJ> alka: tcsh has whereis :)
[09:26:24] <blahee> no! it's too early for shell wars[tm]. Not enought coffee :)
[09:26:36] <alka> :-)
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[09:26:37] <alka> > whereis sendmail
[09:26:38] <alka> whereis: Command not found.
[09:27:17] <IvanR__> alka: Not in /usr/ucb?
[09:27:22] <CosmicDJ> alka: sry, wrong $OS
[09:27:45] <blahee> alka: at leasr for SXCE the whereis is where the manpage says it being, but if you don't have $PATH to there, it's obvisouly not found :)
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[09:28:30] <CosmicDJ> alka: hm what about alias whereis=which ;)
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[09:31:35] <alka> yes, that would do somewhat ;-) but I'm just trying to understand why it's not present under opensolaris, while present in solaris
[09:32:50] <IvanR__> alka: whereis is part of the old usb utilities, opensolaris might not have it installed by default, while solaris/sxce ususally ends up with everything installed.
[09:32:57] <IvanR__> Try: pkg search -r whereis
[09:33:03] <CosmicDJ> alka: because they removed some compatibility stuff they're carring around for ages now
[09:33:15] <CosmicDJ> in 2008.05
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[09:36:11] <alka> ok thanks CosmicDJ, that helps
[09:37:11] <alka> ok, so i just need to install a few things, this machine is brand new vanilla install
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[10:30:13] <c00p> anyone know expected release date of 2008.11 -> the 1st ?
[10:32:47] <xRaich[o]2x> some say end of november
[10:35:37] <c00p> shit ... lame as ...
[10:36:09] <c00p> waiting for it to put on 2 x4500's I have - but I gess the latest sxce would be good enough
[10:36:23] <c00p> does the latest sxce have ips ?
[10:36:33] <c00p> or it better to install 200805 and upgrade with IPs ?
[10:38:09] <xRaich[o]2x> you could download the current build from genunix.org
[10:38:25] <xRaich[o]2x> i don't think that sxce has ips, but i don't use it
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[10:52:53] <c00p> xRaich[o]2x: ta mate
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[10:54:50] <xRaich[o]2x> c00p: np
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[10:58:06] <oxygene> c00p: sxce still uses svr4 packages
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[11:13:06] <evocallaghan> How do we test if c0d0t0s0 is a vaild block device in C ?
[11:13:23] <evocallaghan> Anyone think of any examples?
[11:14:22] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: dd?
[11:14:26] <codestr0m> if you can.. try to format it?
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[11:14:49] <codestr0m> I can get my notes from when my hd went bad.. there's another way, but I can't remember atm
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[11:15:09] <_mary_kate_> presumably you could just open it
[11:15:24] <sal323> I gotta ask, why isn't Google using several opensolaris clusters instead of linux ones?
[11:15:44] <evocallaghan> S_ISBLK(mode) is correct I think
[11:15:54] <_mary_kate_> no, that tests if the file is a block device
[11:16:00] <_mary_kate_> not if it actually represents a real device
[11:16:04] <evocallaghan> no no no .. what has dd got to do with things?
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[11:29:20] <swankier> is it possible to make an aggregate interface with jumbo packets?
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[13:32:59] <kim0> um, what does REFER mean in the output of zfs list
[13:34:09] <kim0> data with pointers pointing to it
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[13:38:31] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: man zfs under "referenced"
[13:38:40] <kim0> Yeah ...
[13:38:45] <kim0> I am trying to understand that
[13:38:55] <kim0> so it means data blocks with pointer to them ?
[13:39:05] <kim0> so they're available to me .. but shared with other volumes ?
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[13:39:23] <_setuid_H> Hi there
[13:41:51] <kim0> xRaich[o]2x: Um, used => unique space per volume , while referenced => unique + shared space per volume ?!
[13:42:11] <kim0> that way referenced would have to always be bigger .. but it's not
[13:44:23] <qiyong> hello
[13:44:46] <qiyong> ifconfig .... (without start) won't start the interface? i.e. ping won't work after it
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[13:48:20] <Stric> qiyong: you can enable interfaces with ifconfig, yes.
[13:49:17] <maccampus> hi
[13:50:21] <qiyong> when i run it without 'up', it isn't up, right? Stric
[13:50:30] <maccampus> i need an ip of a freely useble & trusted dns server
[13:50:47] <Stric> qiyong: right.
[13:50:53] <maccampus> since i have no, more url access since 12 hours ago
[13:51:32] <maccampus> if i ping my dns servers they are still alive but maybe not the dns on them
[13:51:32] <qiyong> Stric: i see, thanks
[13:51:55] <Stric> maccampus: 208.67.222.222  and then check out opendns.com
[13:52:17] <hooch> dns server from optus (2nd major telco in australia): 203.2.75.2
[13:57:01] <maccampus> thx all, & thanx OpenDNS
[14:07:12] <qiyong> during jumpstart, i get not Onwer error with the nfs mount
[14:07:15] <qiyong> any idea?
[14:09:07] <swankier> what is the likelihood of a drive changing between sol10 and snv_99?  (like /dev/dsk/c8t4d0?)
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[14:09:19] <swankier> I'm trying to find out what the os disk is on a x4500
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[14:15:34] <swankier> well... the answer to that is no.
[14:15:43] <swankier> it's different between sol10, snv_99
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[14:27:48] <nasser> when sol-nv-b99 was released ?
[14:34:00] <houst0n-_> nasser: 3, 4 weeks ago?
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[14:53:45] <trygvis> I have a zfs for /home and one per user, is it possible to share all of those as a single NFS share?
[14:55:33] <nsec01> any recomendations for a host based IDS that can process BSM/C2 audits?
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[15:03:37] <digifor> I have been following the tripleboot tutorial on the observatory.
[15:04:28] <digifor> I have installed XP, then debian lenny and all was working fine. Then OS2008.11 SNV 99
[15:04:42] <digifor> and now only windows xp boots.
[15:05:43] <digifor> It seems strange that 2008.11 "restored" the win xp boot.
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[15:06:47] <digifor> Is there a way to use the live cd to install grub into the mbr like you can do with a knoppix cd in Linux?
[15:09:03] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: the "used" shows you how much space the filesystem actually takes on the disk. refer shows you the amount of memory the filesystem point to
[15:09:28] <kim0> thanks
[15:10:15] <xRaich[o]2x> kim0: so if you have a 33GB filesystem and copy a 1 GB fs into it it becomes 34GB big. now you make a snap shot and delete the 1 GB  file. the filesystem now still uses 34GB but the filesystem points to 33GB of data ;)
[15:11:06] <kim0> the snapshot refers to 34G and uses 1G ?
[15:11:09] <kim0> right ?
[15:11:45] <xRaich[o]2x> yes the snapshot refers to the state of the filesystem when the 1GB file was still present
[15:12:14] <kim0> makes sense ... it's kind of inverted with the life FS vs the snapshot
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[15:25:59] <Alasdairrr> What would people recommend running on a fully loaded x4500 in production, Solaris 10 update 6, or a particular build of OpenSolaris?
[15:26:21] <smtms> production means Solaris 10 usually
[15:26:47] <Alasdairrr> Yeah, it's just a fair few companies seem to put OpenSolaris on their x4500s
[15:26:52] <Alasdairrr> like Joyent iirc
[15:26:54] <qiyong> how to list the system supported filesystem types?
[15:27:09] <qiyong> and how do I mount them? mount /dev/dsk/c0d0p0 /mnt ?
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[15:32:07] <swankier> what's the command for the text-based installer?
[15:32:23] <CosmicDJ> swankier: 2008.xx?
[15:32:31] <swankier> .11
[15:32:36] <swankier> snv_99
[15:32:52] <CosmicDJ> there is no textinstaller in 2008.xx
[15:33:39] <swankier> where is there an text-based installer?
[15:33:55] <evocallaghan> I am working on a text installer in curses
[15:33:56] <CosmicDJ> sxce/solaris10
[15:34:16] <CosmicDJ> have textmode installers
[15:34:38] <evocallaghan> although I am having problems with getting curses to work in solaris
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[15:35:45] <evocallaghan> apps dont seem to work properly.. no idea why yet?
[15:35:54] <evocallaghan> Could gnome-termal mess things up ?
[15:37:48] <CosmicDJ> I had problems with gnome-terminal and ssh+screen+irssi
[15:38:03] <CosmicDJ> had to switch to xterm and then putty
[15:38:35] <evocallaghan> http://rafb.net/p/suSMeA84.html
[15:38:42] <evocallaghan> Here is a example
[15:39:01] <evocallaghan> Can you see if it works on your box ?
[15:39:23] <CosmicDJ> <- no solaris to try right now...
[15:39:29] <evocallaghan> ok
[15:39:54] <evocallaghan> I'm off to bed then
[15:40:01] <evocallaghan> Nigth all
[15:40:37] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: but it looks good on openbsd in a putty session :)
[15:40:51] <evocallaghan> ok, so it works on openbsd then
[15:41:06] <evocallaghan> That brings quite some shame to solaris then ..
[15:41:36] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: openbsd uses ncurses...
[15:42:10] <evocallaghan> Did you do <ncurses.h> then and do -lncurses ?
[15:42:51] <CosmicDJ> no, seems like the openbsd folks renamed it to curses; but it is ncurses
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[15:43:16] <evocallaghan> hm
[15:44:45] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:So you think its been written to only work with ncurses
[15:44:54] <evocallaghan> I don't think so though ..
[15:45:59] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: works also with netbsd's curses
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[15:48:34] <evocallaghan> Gezz
[15:48:45] <evocallaghan> Thanks for the feedback btw !
[15:49:09] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: btw what's wrong with it on solaris?
[15:49:42] <evocallaghan> I run it and nothing happens
[15:49:52] <evocallaghan> you can see from my paste
[15:50:00] <evocallaghan> at the top , see..
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[15:50:49] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: you could add some error checking to your code... if the curses functions return smth...
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[15:51:19] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:None of my examples work as well
[15:53:44] <evocallaghan> I installed ncurses as well
[15:54:02] <evocallaghan> [edward@SXCE-Workstation]:/export/home/edward/Desktop/untitled folder:~>file /usr/local/include/ncurses
[15:54:02] <evocallaghan> /usr/local/include/ncurses: directory
[15:56:56] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: /export/home ?! -> http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/4120-Less-known-Solaris-Features-exporthome-home-autofs.html
[15:57:40] <evocallaghan> Right ?
[15:58:14] <qiyong> what is the overlay type during disk auto fdisk?
[15:58:42] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: right what?
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[16:01:26] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:Not sure how NFS releates to curses ?
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[16:02:12] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: it's not but I consider it "bad style" to use /export/home
[16:02:41] <evocallaghan> Thats the default install and I could not care less and all my important things are on another zpool
[16:03:08] <evocallaghan> Right, bed time
[16:03:14] <CosmicDJ> gn8 evo
[16:03:19] <evocallaghan> thanks man
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[16:39:49] <orzel> hello. I have some questions about the use of mercurial by opensolaris
[16:40:20] <orzel> It all is around "how do you know _for sure_ who is the person who orginally did the commit ?"
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[16:40:40] <orzel> Mercurial 'per se' doesn't provide any guaranty for this.
[16:40:57] <orzel> Do you just don't care, or do you have a system for that ?
[16:40:57] <sikun> i installed opensolaris yesterday, and ran the package manager and started to update everything.. but today when i got on the computer it seemed to have froze.. so i rebooted the computer, two questions... is there a way to resume that update, that and that program seems to run VERY slow anyways... is that a front-end to the pkg system?
[16:41:10] <orzel> I guess you need some kind of signing for this
[16:41:49] <trygvis> mercurial has an option to sign the changesets
[16:42:18] <Stric> sikun: the graphical package manager requires a lot of memory for some reason, how much do you have?
[16:42:24] <sikun> 2gb
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[16:45:56] <sikun> is there a way to just update using pkg?
[16:46:24] <orzel> trygvis: where ? do you mean the "gpg creates another changeset for every changeset" ? is that what you use ?
[16:47:20] <trygvis> http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/GpgExtension
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[16:47:46] <ciapsadm> Hi
[16:48:17] <orzel> trygvis: I know this and creating a new changeset for every changeset can create lot of problems (imagine pushing only the changeset without the signing or the other way around)
[16:48:22] <orzel> trygvis:  is this what opensolaris use??
[16:48:40] <trygvis> I have no idea what sun use
[16:48:43] <ciapsadm> I use OpenSolaris
[16:48:53] <orzel> that's my question?
[16:49:03] <orzel> [26/10/2008 16:49] <orzel> trygvis:  is this what opensolaris use??
[16:49:20] <trygvis> yeah, and I said I have no idea what they use
[16:49:35] <orzel> does anybody know?
[16:49:40] <ciapsadm> How do I install a program on opensolaris?
[16:49:56] <trygvis> I doubt they use anything special
[16:50:03] <ciapsadm> I tried Package manager
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[17:09:55] <ciapsadm> How to install amarok OpenSolaris200805
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[17:53:05] <trygvis> when using pkgmk with a -r argument, will all absolute paths be relative to the path given by -r?
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[18:01:57] <teknoprep> hi all
[18:02:18] <teknoprep> is there a way to have zpool notify me ... or zfs... if there is a health problem ... by email or something
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[18:22:30] <Plazma> b99 supports suspend on laptops no?
[18:22:36] <Alasdairrr> teknoprep, sure - write a script that gets run from crontab every 5 minutes
[18:22:53] <teknoprep> Alasdairrr, you know of a script already written
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[18:24:03] <Alasdairrr> Nope
[18:24:31] <Alasdairrr> But writing one would be fairly simple if you know how to do shell scripting - and if you don't, now would be a great time to learn
[18:24:40] <Alasdairrr> It's an essential skill if you're a sysadmin
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[18:31:52] <Alasdairrr> teknoprep, i made you one: http://pastebin.com/m1e703b1e
[18:32:20] <Alasdairrr> Actually there was a typo - try this one: http://pastebin.com/mb46df5e
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[18:37:35] <teknoprep> what would be a emailto command for solaris ?
[18:37:59] <teknoprep> say i wanted to send a message to my email address.. with a subject like.. CHECK THE F''n STORAGE ARRAY $storagename
[18:38:40] <Alasdairrr> type "man mail"
[18:38:44] <teknoprep> ok
[18:38:48] <Alasdairrr> :)
[18:38:51] <teknoprep> i can figure that one out
[18:39:55] <teknoprep> is it possible to move tank/vm/dexis to say tank/fs01/dexis ?/
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[18:40:36] <teknoprep> tank/vm/dexis is a shareiscsi=on zfs volume
[18:40:43] <teknoprep> is there a simple way to move this ?
[18:40:46] <Alasdairrr> zfs rename
[18:41:40] <jamesd> teknoprep, but it may break your iscsi targets
[18:41:40] <teknoprep> will that mess up the iscsi stuff ?
[18:41:49] <teknoprep> ok
[18:41:52] <teknoprep> i'll just let it go
[18:45:50] <codestr0m> with sun cc !! ./build/lib.solaris-2.11-i86pc-2.5/_ctypes.so !!
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[18:49:31] <teknoprep> hey guys
[18:49:42] <teknoprep> this sun zfs is really the best thing since sliced bread
[18:49:52] <teknoprep> i can't believe how much faster my SAN iSCSI arrays run
[18:49:55] <teknoprep> for use with VMware
[18:50:00] <Alasdairrr> it is very nice :)
[18:50:23] <Alasdairrr> check out Solaris Zones too - very nice lightweight alternative to fully virtualised hosts
[18:50:29] <teknoprep> i have them running on Rackable Phantom 4 with 12 scsi u360 HDD's
[18:50:48] <teknoprep> and the performance increate is unbelivable... compaired to the Linux OS i was running on them before... OpenFiler
[18:51:54] <Alasdairrr> you should blog about it to spread the word
[18:53:34] <xRaich[o]2x> blogging is a great way to spread the word
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[18:59:47] <CosmicDJ> teknoprep: do you have any numbers?
[19:00:10] <e^ipi> 4 is a number
[19:00:11] <teknoprep> no not really
[19:00:16] <e^ipi> as is 240283402
[19:00:24] * e^ipi offers more numbers
[19:00:36] <CosmicDJ> I always thought ZFS is slower because it makes checksums etc. (which most other fs's don't do)
[19:00:55] <teknoprep> i was pusshing anywhere from 150-200MB/sec now i am doing around 280MB/sec
[19:01:00] <tsoome> assumption is mother of all fuckups:D
[19:01:34] <topgun17_> how does one go about bruning a cd in opensolaris
[19:01:37] <tsoome> btw if you dont have parity disks you can turn off checksums:P
[19:02:01] <tsoome> but from another hand - checksums are great to detect corruptions anyhow
[19:02:30] <xRaich[o]2x> topgun17_: what build are you using?
[19:02:59] <topgun17_> 2008.5
[19:03:23] <xRaich[o]2x> no i mean the build. type uname -a and look for snv_xx
[19:03:24] <topgun17_> xRaich[o]2x: SunOS opensolaris 5.11 snv_86 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
[19:03:25] <Alasdairrr> I saw a presentation recently where someone was saying that statistically, with a 48 disk thumper with 1.5TB disks in, you just couldn't use regular unchecksum'd raid 5 due to the high probability of bit errors
[19:03:46] <Alasdairrr> or something along those lines
[19:03:54] <Alasdairrr> so zfs is the saviour of us all
[19:04:00] <xRaich[o]2x> topgun17_: upgrade to snv_99. cdburning is integrated there
[19:04:23] <CosmicDJ> Alasdairrr: it could also because of the cheap *death*star sata disks :p
[19:04:47] <topgun17_> xRaich[o]2x: Where does one grab the iso for snv_99
[19:04:57] <xRaich[o]2x> topgun17_: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/image-update/
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[19:05:35] <xRaich[o]2x> just read that. it's a little inconvinient but upgrading should be a lot simpler in 2008.11
[19:05:54] <xRaich[o]2x> upgrading from 86 to 99 is a bit ugly
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[19:08:29] <xRaich[o]2x> topgun17_: if you want to grab a current iso go to genunix.org.
[19:08:36] <Alasdairrr> Is there a good document/page on upgrading between opensolaris releases?
[19:09:11] <xRaich[o]2x> Alasdairrr: look at the link above
[19:09:14] <CosmicDJ> Alasdairrr: just blogs because there is defacto just one official opensolaris release yet
[19:10:21] <topgun17_> xRaich[o]2x:  I have too harddisks in this machine a 400gb and a 320 gb  is at vall posible to pool them together and make one 720gb zpool?
[19:10:42] <blahee> heh. i can make 10k FS w/ 10 million snapshots, but i can so 'zfs list' after that -> out of memory (8GB) :)
[19:11:40] <xRaich[o]2x> topgun17_: i don't know if you can do that on the root filesystem. might not be supported by now
[19:12:04] <xRaich[o]2x> but i only have one-disk systems here
[19:13:55] <xRaich[o]2x> topgun17_: i'm very sure that it will be supported in future releases, but i can't tell you when. maybe it's already supported and i just don't know ;)
[19:13:56] <topgun17_> the image is 735Mb is this correct?
[19:14:12] <jamesd> blahee, hmm..  do you have swap enabled?
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[19:14:26] <blahee> jamesd: yeap.
[19:15:06] <topgun17_> xRaich[o]2x: Do i need a swap partiton if I have roughly 3.25 gigabytes of  ram?
[19:15:08] <blahee> jamesd: it's only 4GB tho (i remember it picking up the default while installing)
[19:15:53] <jamesd> topgun17_, yes disk is cheap... and swap can allow your system to run a bit faster because it allows stuff you don't use to be swapped out thus giving you more ram for your apps or disk cache
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[19:16:02] <xRaich[o]2x> topgun17_: i always have a swap device. but you don't need a separate slice it's a dataset with fised size inside the pool
[19:16:06] <xRaich[o]2x> fixed
[19:17:02] <topgun17_> thanks for the advice xRaich[o]2x
[19:17:43] <blahee> sweet. zfs set volsize for swap did increase it dynamically. I think it did not do that back like b93 or something
[19:18:08] <xRaich[o]2x> topgun17_: no problem
[19:19:10] <topgun17_> xRaich[o]2x: Helpful people like you atre why i choose to switch from Windows to opensolaris instead of Linux.
[19:19:32] <xRaich[o]2x> topgun17_: be sure to spread the word ;)
[19:21:02] <topgun17_> xRaich[o]2x: I have been trying to gret my community college to gost up an image of opensolaris virtually sense i arived there last August but the techies are all Windows Idiots
[19:23:21] <xRaich[o]2x> I'm trying to build an opensolaris usergoup over here. it's pretty hard since this is linux territory ;)
[19:24:26] <topgun17_> xRaich[o]2x: where abouts are you?
[19:24:36] <xRaich[o]2x> germany
[19:25:24] <topgun17_> xRaich[o]2x: your ebnglish is verry good.
[19:26:04] <xRaich[o]2x> thanks. i need to polish it a little bit, but it's getting into shape again ^^
[19:26:44] <oxygene> CosmicDJ: once upon a time, the "i" in raid stood for "inexpensive" - cheap deathstars seem to be made with that in mind ;)
[19:27:13] <e^ipi> oxygene: so what's wrong with that? one dies and you swap it out, no big deal
[19:28:25] <oxygene> e^ipi: disk vendors weren't pleased with selling cheap disks, so they redubbed it "independent" (so that the "r"==redundant actually is redundant, too). so now most RAIDs I've seen were on the most expensive disks the company owned...
[19:29:33] <topgun17_> oxygene: that is striking paradigm isnt it
[19:30:05] <oxygene> just the average corporate clusterfuck
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[19:31:20] <topgun17_> Why is the download size of the svn_99 iso wekll over what a conventioal CDR can hold?
[19:32:09] <xRaich[o]2x> topgun17_: afaik there are 2 versions. one you must burn to a dvd and another one that fits on a cd
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[19:35:23] <topgun17_> Which vwersion of _SVN_99 is the CD iso?
[19:35:59] <moazamraja> huh?
[19:36:36] <xRaich[o]2x> topgun17_: can you rephrase your question?
[19:36:50] <nasser> is Solaris X86  ... 32-bit versions ?
[19:36:53] <e^ipi> *** Parse error on line 1
[19:36:54] <nasser> same !
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[19:37:17] <e^ipi> nasser: it's both, it picks the correct kernel to boot
[19:38:13] <xRaich[o]2x> topgun17_: what iso did you download?
[19:38:34] <topgun17_> never mind xRaich[o]2x
[19:38:50] <xRaich[o]2x> ok
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[19:39:46] <pb> hi all
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[19:40:32] <topgun17_> Is the 140mb tar.gx image the cd iso
[19:40:40] <xRaich[o]2x> hi pb
[19:41:02] <pb> long time without chatting ;-)
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[19:41:37] <pb> playing with virtualbox and opensolaris 99
[19:41:57] <pb> but I need more memory....
[19:42:43] <pb> I need to find any ddr 400 modules in madrid
[19:46:04] <topgun17_> Where do i get the cd iso OF opensolaris SVN_99?
[19:46:54] <CosmicDJ> someone said genunix.org
[19:47:09] <xRaich[o]2x> http://www.genunix.org/
[19:47:19] <topgun17_> genunix only has the dvd iso
[19:47:20] <xRaich[o]2x> http://www.genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0811-99.iso
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[19:50:14] <e^ipi> topgun17_: it's the multi-lingual one
[19:50:17] <topgun17_> I guess i have to get the globla iso image
[19:50:21] <e^ipi> yes
[19:51:18] <CosmicDJ> hm primary langs is bigger than global langs?!
[19:51:41] <prepnotek> can opensolaris run zfs with iscsi targets on a 256MB ram?
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[19:53:19] <topgun17_> does theglobal iso image hjave the files required for an EN-US install?
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[19:54:25] <jamesd> prepnotek, only in your dreams... ZFS alone barely runs in 1GB of ram.. more is better... 2-4GB would be a good starting point
[19:55:07] <_Auralis> 1gig for zfs is the suck, not worth bothering with
[19:55:10] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: yeah, the global one is compressed more ( = slower )
[19:56:29] <topgun17_> the global iso is 659mb  I wonder if it will fit on a standard 700mb cd
[19:56:37] <e^ipi> ...
[19:57:09] <e^ipi> "I wonder if 750ml of juice will fit in this 1L container"
[19:57:15] <_mary_kate_> CosmicDJ: global only has 'en', because everyine speaks english!
[19:57:36] <e^ipi> well, they should in either case ;)
[19:57:36] <xRaich[o]2x> jamesd: i use zfs on 2 different boxes with 1GB. It's enough for normal usage
[19:58:38] <jamesd> hmm it could of gotten better, a while ago, it swapped everything on the box  when used with my  blade 1500, 1GB of ram..  open a shell took 20 seconds while things swapped
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[19:59:28] <xRaich[o]2x> when i first installed opensolaris in mai i had 512 mb on that box. it was unusable. 512 mb of additional ram and it worked fine
[19:59:34] <xRaich[o]2x> may that is
[20:01:50] <topgun17_> Hod does one noke ia windows install via open solaris?
[20:05:03] <_mary_kate_> topgun17_: how does one nole ia anything?
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[20:11:12] <e^ipi> heh
[20:12:36] <sickness> I'm back
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[20:21:04] <oxygene> CosmicDJ: global uses lzma for compression. seems to help
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[20:22:48] <CosmicDJ> I see
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[20:35:56] <xRaich[o]2x> hm any other germans in here that care to join #opensolaris-de?
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[20:38:38] <cevaa> Hi
[20:39:19] <hrist> hi
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[20:40:08] <e^ipi> Gman: around?
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[20:40:43] <cevaa> I do not know how to install programs
[20:41:05] <nachox> you're using what opensolaris distribution?
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[20:41:52] <cevaa> OpenSolaris200805
[20:42:09] <cevaa> Is not there amarok
[20:42:27] <prepnotek> what if i only use ZFS for backup
[20:42:29] <prepnotek> nothing live
[20:42:43] <xRaich[o]2x> cevaa: i think belenix comes with amarok
[20:42:57] <prepnotek> say ZFS and iSCSI for backup... to another ZFS live system... would 256MB be ok ?
[20:42:58] <xRaich[o]2x> but there are no ips packages for amarok yet
[20:43:35] <moazamraja> prepnotek: no
[20:44:08] <moazamraja> solution is to just get more ram
[20:44:24] <cevaa> So why use it?
[20:44:32] <nachox> i dont think you can even boot opensolaris with only 256 mb of ram
[20:44:35] <xRaich[o]2x> less than 1 gig is painful
[20:45:19] <moazamraja> cevaa: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Solaris
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[20:46:11] <moazamraja> well then.
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[20:47:03] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: with ZFS... 1gig is still pretty painful
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[20:47:19] <hrist> e^ipi: no, it's a charm in the VM I have
[20:47:31] <moazamraja> luckily, 1gb-2gb memory sticks are dirt cheap
[20:47:38] <_mary_kate_> prepnotek: people already told you 256MB isn't nearly enough
[20:47:40] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: it's not that bad. works ok here. but my next laptop will have a lot more
[20:47:40] <moazamraja> even for laptops
[20:47:45] <_mary_kate_> asking more times won't change the answer
[20:48:04] <moazamraja> my laptop has more memory than my SB2000 :/
[20:48:29] <e^ipi> with ram as cheap as it is, it's not really a big deal
[20:48:38] <e^ipi> i dumped 8GB in my closetwarmer for $200
[20:48:51] <e^ipi> a few months ago
[20:49:56] <moazamraja> i wish i could find cheap ram for the SB2000
[20:49:58] <e^ipi> now you can get it for $120 or so
[20:50:00] <moazamraja> 8gb in the SB would be nice
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[20:52:51] <ciapsadm> I no longer have once again URLs with amarok?
[20:53:09] <e^ipi> google.com
[20:53:16] <CosmicDJ> 21:46 < moazamraja> cevaa: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Solaris
[20:53:28] <ciapsadm> Thanks
[20:55:24] <ciapsadm> ciapsadm@ciapsadm:~# gtar xjf amarok-1.4.4.tar.bz2
[20:55:24] <ciapsadm> tar (child): amarok-1.4.4.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[20:56:35] <Plazma> i wonder hwo good vbox on b99 will run XP
[20:56:45] <CosmicDJ> ciapsadm: man file ; man bzip2 ; man gtar
[20:57:22] <e^ipi> Plazma: runs fine, i prefer xen though
[20:58:14] <Stric> Plazma: only issue I've had with xp in vbox is with shared folders and deep structures.. appears to be fixed in 2.0.4 according to changelog
[20:58:46] <Plazma> ahh
[20:58:47] <Plazma> right on
[21:00:00] <prepnotek> _mary_kate_, being a prick again eh ?
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[21:01:24] <e^ipi> prepnotek: no, _mary_kate_'s answering a stupid question with an appropriate response
[21:02:09] <prepnotek> e^ipi, if you don't know why its a stupid question... arguing with you is pointless
[21:02:44] <Plazma> what a fruit fly
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[21:05:39] <Tilt> small
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[21:07:57] <ciapsadm> Where found in the Package Manager program to listen to music?
[21:08:52] <xRaich[o]2x> ciapsadm: try "live with solaris": http://lifewithsolaris.jp/modules/packages/index.php?content_id=1
[21:09:15] <xRaich[o]2x> or upgrade to build 99. it comes with songbird
[21:09:24] <moazamraja> ciapsadm: i thikn u need to just learn how to use Unix first..
[21:09:45] <moazamraja> that page i pasted has a ton of directions on how to install, but it's not a quick or simple process
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[21:38:48] <ciapsadm> What we have not done well: http://www.pastebin.ca/1237183
[21:39:13] <ciapsadm> Do not know what to do
[21:39:32] <Stric> don't mistype "pkg"
[21:39:38] <Stric> type "pkg" instead of "Pkg"
[21:40:18] <xRaich[o]2x> and install not instala
[21:41:31] <Stric> and other typos
[21:41:40] <Stric> lifeiwthsolaris.jp => lifewithsolaris.jp
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[21:41:58] <Stric> computers mostly do what you tell them
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[21:44:19] <e^ipi> they do exactly what you tell them to do within the confines of the mathematical models they're built on
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[21:46:24] <jbk> afternoon
[21:47:08] <e^ipi> howdy
[21:48:41] <ciapsadm> Here you have to wait long?
[21:48:50] <ciapsadm> ciapsadm@ciapsadm:~# pkg install LWSbmpx
[21:48:51] <ciapsadm> DOWNLOAD                                    PKGS       FILES     XFER (MB)
[21:48:51] <ciapsadm> LWSbmpx                                     0/35      0/8544   0.00/253.69
[21:48:57] <e^ipi> pastebin.
[21:48:58] <e^ipi> use it.
[21:49:09] <ciapsadm> Ok
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[21:49:33] <jbk> man, i'm more tempted to get a mbp...
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[21:50:45] <jbk> i know people have gotten sxce/opensolaris running on the older ones via various methods
[21:51:09] <bda> No powermgmt on a laptop is teh sukc.
[21:51:20] <bda> No touchpad also.
[21:51:24] <e^ipi> or wifi
[21:51:38] <bda> I got wifi working, iirc.
[21:51:47] <bda> This was a year ago. Maybe that Just Works now.
[21:52:37] <jbk> do they use broadcom for the chip?
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[21:52:47] <x58> The wifi in the older MacBook Pro's (Santa Rosa) was atheros, and that works fine in OpenSolaris.
[21:53:35] <x58> The Yukon driver is available for the Ethernet port on the MBP as well (not sure about the new Unibody ones though)
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[21:54:54] <jbk> hmm
[21:54:59] <jbk> on the build farm
[21:55:08] <jbk> acomp keeps coring trying to compile openssl
[21:55:20] <jbk> even after reverting the code back to b98
[21:56:25] <ciapsadm> What is the difference between Linux and Unix
[21:56:35] <Tilt> weird....
[21:56:41] <ciapsadm> I do not see too much difference
[21:56:48] <Tilt> i think the gui actualy works on my machine, i wonder why the cli doesn't
[21:56:49] <bda> 30 years and a cadre of chihuahuas.
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[21:57:21] <e^ipi> the new ath chipset isn't supported
[21:57:29] <bda> Sukc.
[21:57:42] <e^ipi> though they just ( as in a couple weeks ago ) released the binary blob for it so we'll see how that pans out
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[21:57:57] <dustman> hi
[21:58:01] <e^ipi> howdy
[21:58:02] <Tilt> i never even thought to try the gui.... i wonder if it'll fix the cli's problem
[21:58:19] <xRaich[o]2x> ciapsadm: different filesystem different kernel, different userland different documentation. more features should i go on?
[21:58:20] <Tilt> hi dustman
[21:59:31] <mui> different philosophy overall and ofcourse, different licensing.
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[21:59:58] <dustman> I'm trying to compile R from pkgsrc on osol-svn_99 using SunPro but got a little problem: http://pastebin.com/m7ab3a19d
[22:00:13] <xRaich[o]2x> most people just look at gnome and think it's the same. they don't even look further
[22:00:25] <Tilt> nope, cli is still hosed
[22:00:56] <dustman> are there f77 libraries in sunpro?
[22:01:26] <dustman> and if 'yes', where are them normaly found?
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[22:03:06] <ciapsadm> How do I install Linuxdc + + on Solaris?
[22:03:57] <xRaich[o]2x> what's Linuxdc  + +?
[22:04:07] <dustman> Tilt: what's wrong with cli?
[22:04:55] <dustman> PATH can make your system adapt to almost any behavior you like from cli
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[22:10:22] <Tilt> it's been broken for a long while now, many have looked at it and nobody seems to know why
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[22:10:49] <Tilt> i've played with the path and pythonpath and lang.... and many other things
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[22:13:40] <dustman> ops, thought you talked of general cli in solaris
[22:17:26] <nachox> xRaich[o]2x, http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Connect
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[22:21:06] <jbk> how well does it work with vmware or parallels?
[22:21:25] <xRaich[o]2x> nachox: ah ok :P
[22:22:19] <Tilt> pkg being the cli that's broken
[22:22:44] <Tilt> many of the ppl on here know of my problem... this is like my 5th or 6th day of attempthing to fix it
[22:23:13] <xRaich[o]2x> nachox: thanks.
[22:24:38] <topgun17> I have suceeded in getting blastwave to work on open solaris
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[22:29:37] <Tilt> topgun17, gratz
[22:32:54] <Tilt> is their a place i can just download the most recent version of ipkg/ipkg-gui and manualy reinstall them ?
[22:33:31] <Tilt> maybe with pkgadd... or something
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[22:34:33] <ciapsadm> nachox: How could install direct_connect?
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[22:40:40] <ciapsadm> I can see good resolution
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[22:49:24] <TomJ> is there a way to get a filepath showing in the UI File Browser?  So I can go to a path just by typing /home/porn or something
[22:49:37] <TomJ> the "Location" toolbar does not show any editable path
[22:49:44] <Stric> hit ctrl-L if it's gtk apps
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[22:51:40] <TomJ> oh yeah that kinda works
[22:51:41] <TomJ> thanks
[22:56:20] <Tilt> oh oh..... i might of fixed it!
[22:56:56] <Tilt> it didn't die when i did pkg refresh, this is good.... i think that's one of the commands that failed out
[22:57:33] <Tilt> nooooo....
[22:57:41] * Tilt cries
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[23:14:32] <nasser> I want install "Solaris Express Community Edition" X86  32-bits ..... its automatic try to install 64 bit edition
[23:14:56] <nasser> how I can install 32bit by force
[23:15:14] <comayMPK> nasser, there's only one version - it's a boot-time option
[23:15:49] <nasser> what X86 mean ?
[23:16:03] <comayMPK> you need to edit the grub menu and boot /platform/i86pc/kernel/unix instead of /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix
[23:16:25] <bda> Why are you trying to force 32bit?
[23:16:28] <comayMPK> that's correct - unlike with linux distros, opensolaris comes combined 32-bit/64-bit in one distro
[23:20:31] <nasser> <comayMPK> I edit my grub menu .... and its work ...thx
[23:21:00] <comayMPK> bda though asks a good question - why do you want to boot 32-bit?
[23:21:15] <comayMPK> the only real reason i can think of is the lack of a driver
[23:22:10] <nasser> and some application
[23:22:42] <e^ipi> 32bit applications can run on 64-bit OS's just fine
[23:23:13] <nasser> from sun website: "here are no 64-bit versions of the Java Plugin"
[23:23:34] <e^ipi> so?
[23:23:43] <nachox> firefox is a 32 bit binary even in a 64 bit solaris
[23:23:54] <bda> So?
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[23:24:12] <comayMPK> nasser, again opensolaris is superior to linux here; its 64-bit kernel can run 32-bit apps just fine
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[23:24:44] <nasser> ummm
[23:24:52] <nasser> what about drivers ?
[23:25:03] <e^ipi> do you have any 32bit drivers
[23:25:26] <tsoome> most drivers are provided in pairs;)
[23:25:28] <e^ipi> as in, the manufacturer gave you a disk for them
[23:26:39] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: there are a couple in solaris, aren't there?  (like dnet)
[23:28:12] <e^ipi> are there?
[23:28:12] <jbk> heh i need to tell sstallion that his dnet driver fixed my friend's strange dhcp issues :)
[23:37:07] <TomJ> I've got a home file server, 4GB ram, dual 2ghz processor, x64, 14 x 400GB SATA2 in 2 x RAIDZ2 striped, on 2 x Marvell controllers.  Watching video files over Samba to Windows box.  Every time I do large file operations on the server, e.g.  mv big files from one place to another,  my video playback stutters horribly on the media player.  Is there a way to guarantee minimum IO to Samba, or limit the IO used by file copies?  I'm surprised
[23:37:07] <TomJ> that the file operations can cause suc poor playback performance
[23:40:42] <nachox> you're moving files through samba too?
[23:41:01] <TomJ> No, just locally on the filesystem.  mv /data/somewhere /data/somewhereelse
[23:41:05] <TomJ> so it's not network
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[23:41:47] <TomJ> the video playback over Samba will only require something like 1 Megabit consistent performance, that's why I'm so surprised that moving stuff can degrade even that
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[23:46:14] <topgun17> TomJ: Sounds  to me like you need to upgrade you network infrastructure to gigabit, adapters routers and  maybe  go for a Netgear  prosafe managed gigbit switch, you all so definatly need to get a UPS for the server and your network infrastructure (i.e. Switches and routers.
[23:46:25] <TomJ> ... ?
[23:46:30] <_mary_kate_> topgun17: how will a UPS make video playback faster?
[23:46:46] <TomJ> How does a local file copy necessitate more network bandwidth?
[23:47:25] <bda> Whiskey tango.
[23:47:40] <topgun17> TomJ: I t wuill remove the nosie from the power comming into the machijne from the street side.
[23:47:50] <_mary_kate_> ...
[23:49:58] <topgun17> _mary_kate_: Do you know how i can set up nfs on my Opensolaris box so that i can store and retreive files on it from my macbook?
[23:50:26] <TomJ> Yes he does.
[23:51:09] <bda> TomJ: iostat, arc_summary.pl and intrstat might be useful here.
[23:52:47] <TomJ> iostat shows:  data        1.67T  3.42T    286    359  35.5M  39.0M
[23:52:52] <TomJ> so 35M read, 39M write
[23:53:21] <e^ipi> topgun17: yes, you read the zfs manual page
[23:53:51] <topgun17> e^ipi: yrs i did
[23:53:52] <TomJ> mdb -k ::memstat shows 1269MB of ZFS file cache
[23:54:00] <bda> TomJ: You really actually care about %b and asvc_t in iostat output here.
[23:54:23] <e^ipi> a sufficiently thorough reading of the page and you'd already know how to do it.
[23:55:09] <bda> Also looking at interrupts off the SATA controllers might be useful, somehow. :)
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[23:55:59] <TomJ> iostat -x shows 16 devices, 14 of which are the /data zpool.  but only 7 of those show any noticeable activity, and they have svc_t's of aroudn 130 with %w of 90-95% and %b also 90-95%
[23:56:28] <TomJ> I dont really understand why only 7 devices are showing activity not 14
[23:56:51] <e^ipi> did you add the rest after the fact?
[23:57:09] <TomJ> incidentally one of my RAIDZ2s is degraded becuse one drive is dead, not sure if that affects it at all  (pool is still consistent)
[23:57:16] <TomJ> no, all added at the same time
[23:57:22] <e^ipi> yes, it does affect it
[23:57:51] <bda> aha
[23:57:52] <e^ipi> since instead of reading data, now it has to calculate the lost data from parity
[23:58:07] <e^ipi> degraded means exactly what it means
[23:58:24] <e^ipi> it is functional, but not good
[23:59:08] <e^ipi> diagnosing performance problems when you're running a degraded pool is useless at best and foolish at worst
[23:59:44] <TomJ> right OK. it still gets fine performance overall though, 35M read and 39M write, so I'm surprised it can't find a measly 1M out of that for Samba.  but I'll see what it's like when the pool is fixed





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