[00:01:41] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris
[00:02:11] *** norman has quit IRC
[00:04:07] *** AxeZ has quit IRC
[00:04:34] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris
[00:05:55] *** mikefut has quit IRC
[00:07:17] *** netj has joined #opensolaris
[00:07:58] *** netj has joined #opensolaris
[00:09:58] *** Ouroboro has joined #opensolaris
[00:10:06] *** ejray__ has quit IRC
[00:10:16] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: if you're still around with sfw's readline-5.2 I'm able to reproduce the problem outside the chroot make -f Makefile shared
[00:10:25] <codestr0m> ld: fatal: relocation error: R_386_GOTOFF: file bind.so: symbol .CG18.2204: a GOT relative relocation must reference a local symbol
[00:10:40] *** Ouroboro has quit IRC
[00:13:12] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris
[00:13:52] <codestr0m> ?~Y^G^HTEXTREL  /lib/amd64/libreadline.so.5 some char in there which my term can't handle I guess
[00:16:13] *** norman has joined #opensolaris
[00:16:38] *** norman has quit IRC
[00:17:06] *** coffman has quit IRC
[00:17:46] *** dustman has joined #opensolaris
[00:19:15] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris
[00:22:12] *** nicoAMG has quit IRC
[00:23:17] *** hannesd has quit IRC
[00:25:40] *** dustman1 has quit IRC
[00:28:03] *** Gman is now known as GmanAFK
[00:29:20] *** Ender2070 has joined #opensolaris
[00:31:50] *** netj has quit IRC
[00:32:45] *** PersonXXL has quit IRC
[00:38:05] *** stukag has joined #opensolaris
[00:48:34] *** Animal-X_Work has quit IRC
[00:49:42] <geronimos> hi
[00:49:48] <geronimos> are you sleep ??
[00:50:18] <Aria> No, I'm Aria.
[00:50:25] <geronimos> is it possible to do eject /path to dvd player
[00:51:11] <geronimos> that opensolaros complicated the freebsd a loooooooooooooot
[00:51:16] <geronimos> then*
[00:52:04] *** dunc has quit IRC
[00:52:18] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC
[00:52:24] *** niq has joined #opensolaris
[00:54:13] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris
[00:54:52] <Kitty> evening kids
[00:55:34] *** alanc changes topic to "SXCE 99 (skipping 100, 101 due 10/30), ON 101, IPS 99 || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca"
[00:55:44] <th> ahh
[00:55:50] <th> so no 100a?
[00:56:03] <alanc> not according to what Derek posted to opensolaris-announce today
[00:56:11] <th> ahh did not read that yet
[00:56:47] <alanc> his timestamp says it was sent this morning, but at least here opensolaris.org mail wasn't getting delivered until a huge pile just all came in at once
[00:57:08] *** spiki has quit IRC
[00:57:15] <th> i checked only some few hours ago
[00:57:58] <trygvis> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-announce/2008-October/001941.html
[00:58:55] <th>  Last message date: Thu Oct 23 09:32:58 PDT 2008
[00:58:55] <th> Archived on: Thu Oct 23 15:15:50 PDT 2008
[00:59:15] <CIA-57> Anil udupa <anil.udupa at sun dot com>: 6640711 Deadlock between ndp_lookup_then_add_v4 and ire_atomic_start
[00:59:15] <CIA-57> Christopher Baumbauer - Sun Microsystems - San Diego United States <Christopher.Baumbauer at Sun dot COM>: 6672147 assertion failed: mem_node_config[mnode].exists == 1, file: ../../../sun4/os/memnode.c, line: 146
[01:03:00] <nachox> it'd have been great to know what problems
[01:03:08] <nachox> delayed b100 that is
[01:03:52] <alanc> one of them was a compiler bug that made ON respin with a new compiler rev so that mdb was able to work on amd64 binaries/cores
[01:05:28] <alanc> and I think you couldn't build ON even on 100a without fixing curses.h since the ncurses headers were accidentally packaged to overwrite the system curses headers
[01:05:51] <nachox> ouch!
[01:06:19] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris
[01:09:17] <alanc> (workaround was easy though: pkgrm SUNWncurses SUNWhea ; pkgadd SUNWhea )
[01:09:46] <nachox> it was a really uncool bug
[01:12:03] <_mary_kate_> packaging ncurses seems like a strange thing to do
[01:12:10] <_mary_kate_> why not add the extra functionality to solaris curses?
[01:13:03] <comay> _mary_kate_, i thought their respective APIs is different
[01:13:08] <comay> er, are
[01:14:04] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris
[01:14:30] <nachox> _mary_kate_, that would be opensource unfriendly, we have to have ncurses because linux does ;)
[01:14:33] <_mary_kate_> comay: aiui, solaris curses and ncurses are both implementations of SVID curses.  but ncurses has added some additional functionality not in solaris curses, which some programs need
[01:15:53] <Atomdrache> and this is why it's so much fun to port terminal software from Linux.
[01:16:56] <_mary_kate_> there's also the problem that e.g. 'xterm' in solaris and ncurses mean quite different things ;)
[01:17:04] <_mary_kate_> but that problem is made worse by integrating ncurses, not better
[01:18:23] <nachox> how so? it means less porting
[01:18:23] <Atomdrache> Yeah, I only recently found out how to make xterm scroll things like irssi correctly.
[01:18:35] <Atomdrache> I haad to put something gross in my .zshrc.
[01:18:49] <_mary_kate_> nachox: if solaris starts bundling programs linking again ncurses, you'll find 'xterm' means something different even in solaris itself
[01:18:56] <nachox> it also means having to mantain to curses implementation which is a stupid idea :)
[01:19:07] <alanc> the people integrating ncurses were asked during their arc review if ncurses could replace Solaris curses, but they said they weren't binary compatible
[01:19:38] <Atomdrache> The wisest solution, I think, would be to make Solaris default to ncurses, but maybe keep the old one around somewhere for backward-compatibility with older Solaris software.
[01:19:42] <Atomdrache> which is usually what Sun is wise enough to do.
[01:19:56] <Atomdrache> or...to just dump the oldone.
[01:20:07] <Atomdrache> (but that might not be acceptable)
[01:20:37] <_mary_kate_> what was wrong with the old curses?
[01:20:53] <nachox> people were not using it?
[01:21:27] <alanc> it didn't have all the API's that software written on other platforms (ones that use ncurses) were calling
[01:21:39] <_mary_kate_> so... add the missing APIs
[01:22:45] <nachox> maybe the apis were conflicting with eachother?
[01:22:52] <alanc> that would require a team who wanted to fix Solaris libcurses to step up and accept doing the work
[01:23:22] <th> is it normal behaviour that i see NFSv4 style ACLs as POSIX style ACLs when NFS mounting a zfs?
[01:23:59] *** Tpenta has quit IRC
[01:24:27] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris
[01:24:43] <Atomdrache> I'd love to fix it if I could code well enough to earn a sandwich.
[01:24:51] <Atomdrache> (the fact stands that I cannot)
[01:24:55] <alanc> I never could get an answer of why they were putting ncurses into JDS instead of SFW - suspect the engineer doing it just knew how to do specfiles and not the SFW process/makefiles
[01:25:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta
[01:26:04] <th> somehow the nfs client would need to know which ACL style applies
[01:26:15] *** timeless has quit IRC
[01:28:19] <nachox> th http://sun.systemnews.com/articles/125/5/sw/20113
[01:28:57] <_mary_kate_> alanc: i see.. i guess 'lazy-engineered' is replacing 'well-engineered' as the solaris development philosophy ;)
[01:29:46] <th> nachox: yes i knew that much.. but that does not answer the question why NFSv4-style-ACLs get mapped/reduced to POSIX-style-ACLs by NFS-mounting
[01:29:49] <alanc> _mary_kate_: or curses just isn't considered software worth spending too much time caring about
[01:30:13] <comay> _mary_kate_, not at all - however, there are apps which expect ncurses and having it there for those FOSS apps that expect it is a better investment and frees us up to continue to work on things like ZFS
[01:30:34] <nachox> th, if you use nfsv4 it doesnt, if you use nfsv3 it doesnt, zfs doesnt support them i believe
[01:31:20] *** geemoney83 has quit IRC
[01:32:11] <th> nachox: zfs does not support NFSv4 ACLs?? yes it does.
[01:32:28] <MindDrive> I think one of those "doesn't"s should have been a "does"?
[01:32:32] <th> nachox: i can chmod and ls -v  them on the ZFS fs on the NFS-server
[01:32:48] <th> hmm
[01:33:12] <nachox> zfs doesnt support posix acls
[01:33:54] <MindDrive> th, are you sure your client side is using NFSv4?
[01:34:04] <th> nachox: well - ok. i dont want the posix acls. i want the NFSv4 ones.. but i only see POSIX ones on the ZFS when mounted through nfs
[01:34:10] <th> MindDrive: no i'm not
[01:34:32] <nachox> th, what nfs version are you using?
[01:34:38] <th> MindDrive: although the manpage states NFSv4 is standard
[01:34:43] <th> MindDrive: manpage of mount_nfs
[01:35:12] <th> nachox: the client is snv_98 and the server is snv_99
[01:35:28] <th> nachox: and i did sharenfs and mount  without specifying a version
[01:36:16] <MindDrive> 'mount' on the client should tell you what you're using.
[01:36:30] <th> remote/read/write/setuid/devices/xattr/dev=5240016
[01:37:32] <MindDrive> Oh, hmm, I thought 'mount' showed that information... I know there's a command that does...
[01:37:50] *** Aria has quit IRC
[01:38:03] <th> share_nfs(1M) does not talk about the default version for sharing
[01:38:42] <th> only "nfs" in /etc/mnttab
[01:41:33] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris
[01:42:10] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris
[01:42:38] *** dustman has quit IRC
[01:44:06] <th> nfsstat -m tells me vers=3
[01:44:06] <th> damn
[01:44:26] <nachox> :)
[01:44:26] <MindDrive> Hmm, was NFS_SERVER_VERSMAX in /etc/default/nfs on either system set to something other then 4?
[01:44:46] <th> #NFS_CLIENT_VERSMAX=4
[01:44:56] <th> on both sides
[01:45:34] <MindDrive> The only final thing I can think of is someone set 'vers=3' in /etc/dfs/dfstab for the export... otherwise I'm stumped.
[01:49:42] <th> after restarting autofs and manually remounting it mounts with vers=4 now
[01:49:46] <th> thanks for pointing me there
[01:50:15] <MindDrive> No problem.
[01:50:44] *** MrBIOS_ has joined #OpenSolaris
[01:50:50] <th> the strange thing is that the only thing i changed on the server is the aclmode=passthrough setting on zfs
[01:51:06] <th> hmm
[01:52:18] *** RElling1 has quit IRC
[01:57:05] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC
[01:57:45] *** jfisc has quit IRC
[01:58:24] *** _Steve_ has joined #opensolaris
[01:59:08] <CIA-57> Edward Pilatowicz <Edward.Pilatowicz at Sun dot COM>: 6756048 rd_loadobj_iter() should always invoke brand plugin callback
[01:59:09] <CIA-57> Edward Pilatowicz <Edward.Pilatowicz at Sun dot COM>: 6756049 ::nm gives up to easily
[01:59:10] <CIA-57> Edward Pilatowicz <Edward.Pilatowicz at Sun dot COM>: 6756051 libproc`map_set() shouldn't punt on setting rname/rbase
[01:59:10] <CIA-57> Edward Pilatowicz <Edward.Pilatowicz at Sun dot COM>: 6756054 td_read_bootstrap_data() confused by non-primary link maps
[01:59:12] <CIA-57> Edward Pilatowicz <Edward.Pilatowicz at Sun dot COM>: 6756058 thr_check() needs to be smarter
[01:59:30] <Plazma> heh, nice comment
[01:59:46] *** microchip_ has quit IRC
[02:02:26] *** swa_work has quit IRC
[02:02:30] <e^ipi> hmmR
[02:02:32] <e^ipi> ?
[02:02:33] <nachox> looks like ed wants a pay raise :P
[02:03:10] *** teo` has quit IRC
[02:03:35] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris
[02:03:56] <e^ipi> nachox: no, looks like CIA is broken
[02:04:01] <e^ipi> those were all from one push
[02:04:15] <nachox> that was the other option, hehe
[02:04:33] <e^ipi> oh, also that he wasn't using cdm properly
[02:05:48] *** Ender2070 has quit IRC
[02:06:26] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris
[02:06:38] <nachox> e^ipi, you were working on integrating irssi?
[02:07:13] <e^ipi> nope
[02:07:19] <e^ipi> i had nothing to do with that
[02:08:15] *** Ignacio_ has joined #opensolaris
[02:08:25] *** freetown has joined #opensolaris
[02:09:17] *** nachox has quit IRC
[02:09:43] *** Plaidrab has joined #opensolaris
[02:10:10] *** Ignacio_ is now known as nachox
[02:10:22] <freetown> hi all, i seem to have manage to hose my opensolaris be...thankfully i was able to boot up on another be...pkg -R /path/to/mounted/opensolarisbe verify -f gave me loads of errors...is there any way to repair the initial opensolaris be?
[02:10:47] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris
[02:11:34] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris
[02:18:04] *** GmanAFK is now known as Gman
[02:19:18] <e^ipi> heya gman
[02:19:43] <Gman> hi john
[02:20:07] <e^ipi> how goes it?
[02:21:33] <geronimos> i have problem
[02:21:48] <jbk> evening
[02:21:48] <geronimos> still doesn't understand that solaris very good really
[02:22:41] <geronimos> e^ipi: hi , you nevr compiling C in solaris ??
[02:24:42] <geronimos> goodnight
[02:24:48] <nachox> ?
[02:24:50] <geronimos> see you tomorow
[02:24:57] <freetown> go on, go
[02:25:20] <geronimos> freetown: gon, go , i'm not donkey
[02:25:45] <freetown> an ass then?
[02:25:54] <geronimos> freetown: ohhhhhhhh
[02:25:55] <Plazma> moo
[02:26:15] <freetown> okay okay, ass = donkey.
[02:26:21] <geronimos> freetown: you'rent polite
[02:26:43] <freetown> me thinks you are thinking of something else
[02:27:03] <geronimos> freetown: no problem you can tell all what you
[02:27:23] <geronimos> freetown: cause only you're mount ho speak
[02:27:44] * freetown has trouble understanding geronimos
[02:27:53] <geronimos> freetown: and as we know the mount can't buy vegetable
[02:28:10] * freetown goes back to trying to fix his hosed opensolaris boot environment
[02:28:15] <nachox> geronimos, perhaps you should try in a channel that speaks whatever your native language is
[02:28:16] <geronimos> mouth*
[02:28:30] *** LuckyLuke has quit IRC
[02:28:36] <freetown> or a mailing list
[02:28:58] <geronimos> nachox: i speak by English philo
[02:29:16] <geronimos> nachox: cause you must search od the meaning
[02:29:21] <geronimos> of*
[02:29:35] <freetown> the proper preposition should be 'for'
[02:29:36] <nachox> you try to speak english, that is the best i can say
[02:29:58] *** ericjray has quit IRC
[02:30:06] <geronimos> i'll explain
[02:30:32] <freetown> anybody tried repairing a hosted boot environment?
[02:30:49] <geronimos> i go  to sleep
[02:30:54] <freetown> i got lucky...i could boot up in another one :(
[02:31:05] <geronimos> freetown: tomrow i'll explain t you
[02:31:13] <freetown> sweet dreams geronimos
[02:31:45] <geronimos> nachox: my english little bad cause it's street english sorry
[02:31:49] * freetown has a feeling he missed a whole irc show last night
[02:32:13] <nachox> street english?
[02:32:22] <freetown> geronimos: it's english with bad grammar
[02:32:36] <freetown> in other words...bad enlish
[02:32:39] <freetown> oops
[02:32:45] <freetown> and i have bad spelling
[02:33:05] <geronimos> nachox: yes cause i speak and i don't care about verbes , asking question and more thing
[02:33:08] <freetown> now please go to sleep. you are tried. makes your english skills worse
[02:33:15] <freetown> argh
[02:33:27] <geronimos> freetown: yiou're funny
[02:33:31] <geronimos> you're*
[02:33:46] <freetown> so you can sleep better tonight
[02:33:49] <freetown> now go on
[02:33:51] *** RElling1 has joined #opensolaris
[02:34:00] <geronimos> freetown: no
[02:34:14] <freetown> no problem Burn the midnight oil then
[02:34:22] <geronimos> freetown: i want stay here
[02:34:30] <freetown> i will be here all night
[02:34:43] <geronimos> freetown: and i want speak with you ??
[02:34:54] <geronimos> freetown: can you teach me ?
[02:35:02] <freetown> fine. hit a private channel before we get booted
[02:35:24] * freetown looks out for bouncers
[02:35:48] <geronimos> freetown: i go to sleep better you're write
[02:35:55] <geronimos> right*
[02:36:10] <geronimos> freetown: do you know axl rose ??
[02:36:51] <freetown> geronimos: please go private if you are goign to ask stuff not related to opensolaris
[02:36:52] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU
[02:37:14] <geronimos> freetown: private with you
[02:37:49] <geronimos> freetown: tomorow maybe , cause don't have mind for speaking anywords nw
[02:37:53] <geronimos> now
[02:37:55] <freetown> you are free to try anyone...
[02:38:35] <geronimos> freetown: nono i don't want private i feel tired
[02:38:43] <geronimos> freetown: goodnigt
[02:38:57] <freetown> geronimos: sleep tight
[02:38:58] <geronimos> see you tomoow if i'll be alive
[02:39:24] *** geronimos has left #opensolaris
[02:39:43] *** niq has quit IRC
[02:40:32] <sstallion> evening all
[02:41:01] <freetown> hi sstallion
[02:41:47] *** RElling has quit IRC
[02:44:33] *** stevel has quit IRC
[02:46:19] *** Odin- has quit IRC
[02:51:57] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris
[02:52:18] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris
[02:59:08] <CIA-57> Alexandre Chartre <Alexandre.Chartre at Sun dot COM>: 6746039 Cluster node hangs on panic fault injection when it is primary for resource group, 6747687 Bakota DVD drive is not exported as a DVD, 6734615 Bad EFI signature messages output during logical domain creation., 6757931 disks are not correctly exported with Hitachi HDLM multipathing
[03:04:10] *** otep has quit IRC
[03:04:22] *** luc^ has quit IRC
[03:06:55] *** piwi has quit IRC
[03:09:59] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris
[03:10:45] *** crichardso has quit IRC
[03:13:45] *** kisu has joined #opensolaris
[03:30:58] *** sah-work has quit IRC
[03:32:03] *** pumpkin_ has quit IRC
[03:35:24] *** comay has quit IRC
[03:37:34] *** kim0 has quit IRC
[03:41:16] *** Ender2070 has joined #opensolaris
[03:42:00] <Ender2070> hello folks
[03:43:25] *** pumpkin_ has joined #opensolaris
[03:45:28] <jamesd> okay who forgot to carve the tail off the pumpkin_
[03:46:58] <Ender2070> anyone experience issues with an m3a78-vm motherboard?
[03:47:12] <freetown> asus?
[03:47:18] <Ender2070> yes
[03:47:37] * freetown stays away from Asus due to buggy bioses
[03:47:50] <freetown> sorry, can't help you there
[03:48:17] <jamesd> my m2a-vm works great since  b94
[03:49:03] <Ender2070> i could get whatever is included with 2008.05 to work with it except the network wouldnt work
[03:49:08] *** chendy has quit IRC
[03:49:09] <pumpkin_> :o
[03:49:10] <freetown> yeah, well, i bit too and i have a new asus board at home without problems
[03:49:16] *** chendy has joined #opensolaris
[03:49:26] <Ender2070> 2008.11 with b99 didnt even boot
[03:50:05] <jamesd> some of us would consider anything based on 2008* as too beta too even try.
[03:50:51] <Ender2070> lol
[03:51:02] <Ender2070> seems ok on my fileserver
[03:51:07] <Ender2070> it runs 2008.05
[03:51:16] <Ender2070> older mobo tho
[03:52:24] <freetown> heh, then some linux.com nut calls indiana robust and ready to the laughs of the chums here
[03:52:41] *** chubs has quit IRC
[03:52:58] <Ender2070> lol
[03:53:25] <freetown> Ender2070: i run Indy as a file server too....samba fileserver at that
[03:53:32] <Ender2070> same
[03:53:44] <freetown> had to upgrade to get blooming Vista SP1 support
[03:53:47] <jamesd> freetown, well these are the same people that consider linux ready for the enterprise, and have for the last 10 years...
[03:53:47] <Ender2070> 1.28TB ZFS array
[03:54:08] <freetown> Ender2070: 750GB mirror :P
[03:54:40] <Ender2070> jamesd - linux is running on the fastest machine on the planet
[03:54:49] * freetown slinks away
[03:55:00] <Ender2070> the machine that controls LHC
[03:55:45] <freetown> yeehaa...i hope i have saved my opensolaris boot env...brb
[03:55:46] <jamesd> Ender2070, that doesn't matter... its the abiilibilty to stay up and maintain full load for days/weeks/months on end without issues, or degrading in performance.
[03:56:03] *** freetown has left #opensolaris
[03:56:34] <jbk> hmm so after running gparted (to make room for sxce), i did a chkdsk on the ntfs partition, everything checks out, but solaris is complaining about the partitioning and keeps wanting to try to create the solaris partition over the same space as the NT partition..
[03:56:39] <jbk> anyone seen that before?
[03:56:48] <Ender2070> it would only take a few minutes to crack aes, wouldnt need uptime
[03:57:06] <jamesd> i have seen solaris boxes that maintain a load average of cpu's*2 for months... my linux boxes don't handle  loadavg*2 for more than a week without issues.
[03:57:08] <_mary_kate_> jbk: perhaps you already have a VTOC on the solaris partition that's confusing it?
[03:57:15] <jbk> no
[03:57:42] <Ender2070> they could just as easily be running unix and just have linux vms you know
[03:58:26] <Ender2070> that would be badass
[03:58:57] <libkeiser> huh?  wtf is badass about running a pos os in a virtual container on top of something stable?
[03:59:08] <CIA-57> Roger A. Faulkner <Roger.Faulkner at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2008/617 posix_spawn(3C) extension - setsigignore, 6752755 posix_spawn(3C) extension - allow setting the child's signal handlers to SIG_IGN
[03:59:28] <Ender2070> i know one badass example
[03:59:48] * nibbler read thrice over "linux vms" until he realized that it was a VMs, not a "VMS" ;)
[03:59:58] <Ender2070> perhaps turning windows into your bitch and having a good enough vm that you could play 3d games
[04:05:28] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris
[04:05:53] <sstallion> evening jbk
[04:06:58] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC
[04:07:28] <jbk> hmm the only thing i can think of is that the first partition starts at sector 63
[04:07:32] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris
[04:07:38] <jbk> not in gparted, they all line up and don't overlap
[04:07:45] <jbk> hey sstallion
[04:08:14] <sstallion> TBQH, every time I have had to use gparted, it ended very poorly
[04:08:30] <jbk> well only way i could find to shrink the xp install
[04:08:33] <jbk> (work laptop)
[04:09:18] <jbk> i want to dual boot until i can get a vpn client working that'll talk to a cisco vpn device
[04:11:35] *** ttmrichter_ has joined #opensolaris
[04:12:00] <sstallion> virtualization not an option ?
[04:12:10] <jbk> it's 32-bit xp
[04:12:16] <jbk> and honestly virtualbox runs like shit
[04:12:18] <jbk> on it
[04:12:20] *** freetown has joined #opensolaris
[04:12:48] <jbk> it supports the vx extensions and part of it is to checkout xvm
[04:13:29] <freetown> phew...man...too many pitfalls with Indy.
[04:13:46] <jbk> heh
[04:14:05] <sstallion> *nod*
[04:14:13] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju
[04:14:24] <sstallion> meh
[04:14:27] <Ender2070> oh i remembered im not using samba
[04:14:29] <Ender2070> im using cifs
[04:14:32] <sstallion> the f'd up ring buffer behavior is really getting old
[04:14:40] <jbk> any ON work I want to do is pretty much on hold for now because of that and the ss12 disaster
[04:14:42] <freetown> pkg refresh, then pkg install somehting on newer release hoses your boot env. If you upgrade from 86, you have to do this bootadm update-archive on the new be that is not really documented
[04:14:44] *** gecjr has joined #opensolaris
[04:14:55] <sstallion> jbk: *nod*
[04:15:07] <sstallion> i'm still waiting for a spell on b100
[04:15:21] <jbk> the whole forgetting that the whole world doesn't exist on swan was a bit annoying
[04:15:39] <jbk> hopefully the next such transition will go better
[04:16:37] <sstallion> *nod*
[04:16:58] <sstallion> jbk: recv is finally done with re; kstats are in and errors are being reported correctly
[04:17:02] <jbk> in the meantime, i'm queueing up some minor work once people who aren't sun employees can actually build ON
[04:17:05] <sstallion> fixing one last issue with ring buffer management now
[04:17:21] <jbk> without getting the urge to shove a spoon in their eye at least
[04:17:34] *** gecjr has left #opensolaris
[04:18:23] <Ender2070> lol
[04:18:54] <jbk> it's why i gave up until the problems are fixed
[04:19:01] <jbk> and instead just been opening rfes :)
[04:20:11] *** nachox has quit IRC
[04:20:44] <jbk> mostly just to address some work i've pretty much done already but haven't integrated
[04:22:01] <jbk> hmm this -7MB rounding error has me concerned...
[04:22:14] <Ender2070> you mean you guys have code to submit?
[04:22:20] <jbk> yeah
[04:22:31] <jbk> i've actually got a few things in there
[04:22:40] <jbk> just i switched my desktop to indiana
[04:22:52] <jbk> then they switched from ss11 to ss12 for building ON
[04:23:11] <jbk> both of which have made doing any further work extremely painful (for the moment at least)
[04:23:20] <freetown> Ender2070, this channel is really for the opensoalris devs
[04:23:50] <jbk> not necessiarly
[04:23:52] <freetown> Ender2070, they don't quite have a user help/support channel...at least os200805 don't cut it :P
[04:23:57] <freetown> oh okay
[04:24:01] <freetown> i stand corrected then
[04:24:34] <Ender2070> =)
[04:25:04] <freetown> i just thought that people here just bear up when newbies come in :D
[04:25:32] <Ender2070> ive been here before and people were nice
[04:26:24] <jbk> it depends on their attitude
[04:26:27] <freetown> Ender2070, what you really mean is that too many newbies have caused the solaris hardliners to leave :P
[04:26:48] <jbk> 'this sucks it isn't like linux' for example will probably not get you a nice response :)
[04:27:24] <freetown> hahaha
[04:27:28] <jbk> or asking general unix questions (i.e. if you don't know ls, this isn't the place to learn it)
[04:27:44] <Ender2070> LOL, zfs alone pwns linux
[04:27:52] <freetown> well, i did not get crap for complainin about a lack of a source package repo :P
[04:28:07] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris
[04:28:24] <freetown> but a year ago...:)
[04:29:25] *** sstallion has quit IRC
[04:29:42] <Ender2070> im waiting for richard stallman to come in and demand it be called GNU\OpenSolaris
[04:30:09] <freetown> have you seen nexenta?
[04:30:24] <Ender2070> lol yes
[04:30:24] <freetown> their website used to haev a similar name iirc
[04:31:43] <Ender2070> hmmm
[04:31:50] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU
[04:31:55] *** T_B has joined #opensolaris
[04:32:38] <freetown> Ender2070, gnusolaris.org i think it was
[04:33:10] <freetown> yup...sends you to nexenta.org now :)
[04:34:15] <Ender2070> :)
[04:42:16] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju
[04:42:22] *** kisu has quit IRC
[04:43:20] *** Auralis_ has joined #opensolaris
[04:48:17] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris
[04:50:04] *** T_B_ has quit IRC
[04:54:47] <axisys> is it still the best way to build a secure web server? http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/s10securityhowto.jsp
[04:56:58] <freetown> nice, i see snv99 has Alt-F2 to run a command
[04:58:39] *** _Auralis has quit IRC
[04:59:09] <CIA-57> Cheng Sean Ye <Sean.Ye at Sun dot COM>: 6720262 Hot lock in FMA hurts TX throughput of FMA capable NIC drivers
[04:59:28] *** qiyong has joined #OpenSolaris
[04:59:42] <qiyong>  for production usage, opensolaris ready?
[04:59:54] <Ender2070> its enterprise ready
[05:00:27] <SunTzuTech> guess it depends on your interpretation of "production usage".... lol
[05:00:44] <_mary_kate_> qiyong: most people would recommend using solaris 10 for production
[05:01:34] <qiyong> 2008.05 is opensolaris
[05:01:45] <qiyong> SXCE is not opensolaris, right?
[05:02:05] <freetown> :D
[05:02:17] <freetown> who do we blame for that question?
[05:02:36] <qiyong> i need to recompile kernel, which distro should I choose?
[05:02:54] <freetown> qiyong, maybe sxce is your type of thing then
[05:06:14] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris
[05:06:21] <sstallion> wtf
[05:06:27] <sstallion> I'm a magnet for stack corruption today
[05:10:43] <Ender2070> lol
[05:14:56] * Ender2070 sticks a knife in the FreeBSD devil's back
[05:15:16] <qiyong> so source code flow: opensolaris -> SXCE -> Solaris 11;            opensolaris 2008.05 -> opensolaris 2008.11
[05:15:19] <qiyong> is that right?
[05:16:14] <qiyong> !SXCE
[05:16:47] <Ender2070> what are the advantages of sxce
[05:17:04] <qiyong> sxce is beta for Solais 11
[05:17:25] <jbk> sstallion: heh
[05:18:20] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU
[05:23:20] <sstallion> jbk: meh. for some reason, my builds suddenly started inserting junk pointers; clean/clobber with a rem_drv 'fixed' the problem
[05:23:38] <jbk> ss11?
[05:23:43] <sstallion> yup
[05:23:48] <jbk> ok
[05:24:04] *** erast has quit IRC
[05:24:20] *** erast has joined #opensolaris
[05:28:38] <Ender2070> my m3n78-vm had an extremely old bios :(
[05:28:59] <jamesd> so patch it with something newer
[05:38:35] *** sah-work has joined #opensolaris
[05:39:52] *** stukag has quit IRC
[05:44:27] *** botox has quit IRC
[05:50:54] *** luizxx has quit IRC
[05:51:27] *** luizxx has joined #opensolaris
[05:58:09] *** Ender2070 has quit IRC
[06:01:35] *** axisys has quit IRC
[06:04:03] *** ttmrichter_ has quit IRC
[06:04:07] *** sartek has quit IRC
[06:05:25] *** e1kg has quit IRC
[06:07:42] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris
[06:08:50] *** ky-san has joined #opensolaris
[06:15:55] *** fr4g has quit IRC
[06:18:15] *** erast has quit IRC
[06:22:23] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris
[06:27:31] *** erast has joined #opensolaris
[06:28:15] <moazamraja> <qiyong> sxce is beta for Solais 11
[06:28:19] <moazamraja> that's a heck of a long beta
[06:28:27] <moazamraja> when was the first release of Solaris 10 ?
[06:29:53] *** sah-work has quit IRC
[06:36:23] <_mary_kate_> solaris doesn't release every 6 months like certain other OSs
[06:37:48] <jbk> hmm
[06:39:55] <moazamraja> _mary_kate_: it used to be roughly 2 year gap
[06:40:11] <moazamraja> 7-->8, 2 years
[06:40:24] *** RavenSlay3r has left #opensolaris
[06:40:25] <moazamraja> 8-->9, 2 years
[06:40:34] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju
[06:41:04] <moazamraja> 9-->10, about 3 years
[06:41:31] <moazamraja> prior to Solaris 8, major releases were about every year
[06:41:52] <jbk> i suspect that something will come out once IPS, caiman, and beadm are ready to replace the existing tuff
[06:42:07] * freetown can't wait
[06:42:08] <moazamraja> if the same pattern is met, Solaris 11 will be sometime in 2009
[06:42:22] <freetown> ooh...just one more year to go
[06:42:39] <jbk> there's a bunch of cool things, but really need something major as a carrot
[06:42:44] <jbk> or else it'll send up like solaris 9
[06:42:50] <jbk> where most people didn't bother
[06:43:24] <freetown> provide sunstudio for free like we get now?
[06:43:25] <jbk> there were some nice performance improvements in 9 over 8
[06:43:36] <jbk> but nothing 'huge'
[06:43:41] <_mary_kate_> jbk: CIFS should be a big pull
[06:43:49] <jbk> maybe for some
[06:44:06] <jbk> but i suspect the new install + packaging system will be the big thing
[06:44:15] <jbk> not everyone will be interested in CIFS serving
[06:44:30] <freetown> i think there is not enough noise about sunstudio being available for free and without hoops to jump throough
[06:44:30] <_mary_kate_> then again, look how many people still use 8
[06:44:31] <jbk> but everyone using solaris today would love a vastly simplified upgrade system
[06:44:43] <jbk> yeah
[06:44:52] <_mary_kate_> freetown: studio being free isn't a reason to move to S11, because it's already free for 10
[06:45:00] <jbk> a year ago at least where i used to work, they were still deploying new stuff on 8
[06:45:13] <freetown> _mary_kate_, that was not true when solaris 10 was released was it?
[06:45:19] <_mary_kate_> no
[06:45:25] <freetown> there you go
[06:45:25] <jbk> because on any new install, they had about 20 pieces of mandatory 3rd party software that had to be loaded
[06:45:37] <jbk> and the versions were old enough they didn't 'support' solaris 10
[06:45:38] <_mary_kate_> freetown: no, we're discussing reasons people would move to solaris 11
[06:45:39] <freetown> and when it became free to download, you had to go through hoops
[06:45:49] <_mary_kate_> freetown: you can already get studio for free on solaris 10 (easily), so that's not a reason to upgrade to 11
[06:46:07] <freetown> oh...for current solaris chums to move to 11. ah.
[06:46:22] <freetown> so long as you get new recruits...who cares?
[06:46:33] <freetown> they can sit on their soalris 10 + patch system
[06:46:41] <jbk> well depends if they're paying sun any money or not :)
[06:47:03] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC
[06:47:29] <_mary_kate_> for me, IPS is a reason _not_ to move to 11 right away - i'll probably wait and see how it works in the real world before upgrading
[06:47:40] <_mary_kate_> (but if it works well, that would be nice)
[06:47:46] <freetown> jbk, i'm sure that if they are willin to pay whoever for their support on whatever linux distro they use, they'd do the same for solaris11
[06:47:59] <jbk> if they're paying for linux support now...
[06:48:39] <freetown> _mary_kate_, well, for all the current deficiencies of ips...i think it won't be bad at all
[06:49:03] <moazamraja> i'd love a system which didn't so damn long to install or patch
[06:49:12] <moazamraja> mainly patch..but the installation is embarassing too
[06:49:14] <jbk> one thing that will be interesting (for sun) is if you look at the linux world, most of the linux experts aren't at redhat, ibm, etc. they're rather spread out
[06:49:27] <freetown> i have got burnt by using ips to install xchat while in a 86 be....but i could use pkg to salvage it by updating it to the latest :P
[06:49:31] <jbk> thus i think more people are used to scouring the internet or liunx 'support'
[06:49:42] <freetown> certainly not acceptabel in an enterprise env of course
[06:49:45] <moazamraja> jbk: people are yes, but not companies
[06:49:51] <_mary_kate_> moazamraja: patching is mostly okay with LU, but it's still far too slow with zones..
[06:49:53] <jbk> and probably aren't used to what you'd get for sun support unles they're already using solaris or another unix (not linux) variant
[06:50:02] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris
[06:50:19] <moazamraja> Sun Support has gone seriously downhill over the last bunch of years
[06:50:23] <_mary_kate_> jbk: the response i often get to 'get vendor support' is 'why not just use google?'
[06:50:26] <moazamraja> it's not a positive anymore
[06:50:51] <freetown> jbk, redhat seems to stay afloat for all that centos is doing
[06:50:55] <jbk> moazamraja: it still puts redhat's to shame
[06:51:14] <freetown> i don't seem why sun should not be able to do the same/better
[06:51:20] <jbk> i have yet to actually see redhat actually root cause a problem
[06:51:50] <moazamraja> redhat aint really the competitor
[06:52:10] <freetown> moazamraja, people on the outside disagree
[06:52:12] <moazamraja> novell, ibm, and Oracle are
[06:52:18] <moazamraja> <-- ppl on the 'outside' :)
[06:52:26] <moazamraja> Oracle is totally reaming Sun
[06:52:39] <freetown> moazamraja, i have this chum who use the NYSE as an example of sun losing a client
[06:52:46] <moazamraja> "Solaris x86? Pfft, nah, don't do that. Use Oracle Enterprise Linux...or RedHat, anything but Solaris x86"
[06:53:40] <freetown> Oracle Enterprise Linux...hah! that is just a rebranded centos distro
[06:53:45] <moazamraja> with support
[06:53:46] <moazamraja> from oracle
[06:53:53] <moazamraja> who we know isn't dying anytime soon
[06:53:58] <moazamraja> and whose DB most folks run
[06:54:02] <freetown> in other words...rhel with oracle support.
[06:54:08] <moazamraja> so it is more attractive than rhel/centos
[06:54:11] <purserj> define most folks
[06:54:19] <moazamraja> most big businesses run Oracle
[06:54:32] <moazamraja> *including* Sun
[06:54:34] <purserj> most big businesses run windows, doesn't mean it's any good
[06:54:40] <moazamraja> tell that to Sun
[06:54:54] <moazamraja> who has been pumping money into Oracle for ages now
[06:54:57] <purserj> fine: "Ahem, Sun just because you run Oracle doesn't mean it's any good!"
[06:54:57] <moazamraja> and is to this day
[06:54:58] <purserj> happy?
[06:55:03] <moazamraja> hah
[06:55:08] <moazamraja> anyway. this goes nowhere.
[06:56:14] <freetown> yeah...wait for the day when mysql replaces oracle in sun
[06:56:20] <moazamraja> riiight.
[06:56:21] <freetown> then we are somewhere
[06:56:37] * freetown remember people calling mysql a toy
[06:56:42] <freetown> remembers
[06:56:49] <moazamraja> many still do
[06:57:05] <moazamraja> and many are afraid of it now that Sun bought it ("Oh God, they're going to kill it!")
[06:57:32] <purserj> actually they're not "afraid" of mysql
[06:57:43] <pumpkin_> they should be
[06:57:46] <pumpkin_> it'll gobble them up
[06:57:52] <pumpkin_> om nom nom nom
[06:57:56] <purserj> They're unsure of the new direction, but I don't see a mass move from mysql to oracle for web hosting and so on
[06:58:33] <freetown> heh, mysql isam can be copied to any box and then loaded....can't beat that for a webhost
[06:58:48] <jbk> oracle still uses solaris for their own erp (or did as of a couple of year ago)
[06:59:02] <jbk> and anyone that uses oracle's linux is just asking for what they get :)
[06:59:12] <jbk> even most dbas will tell your their support is terrible these days
[06:59:24] <jbk> and would dread having to get OS support from them in addition to database support :)
[06:59:41] <jbk> it would be nice to see a real enterprise competitor to oracle though
[06:59:45] *** axisys has quit IRC
[06:59:50] <jbk> you kinda have it with db/2
[07:00:12] <moazamraja> nah
[07:00:15] <moazamraja> db2 sucks ass
[07:00:23] <moazamraja> basic RDBMS stuff is weak
[07:00:41] <jbk> mysql.. well i still keep hearing from clueful people having problems with it corrupting itself
[07:00:55] <moazamraja> complex joins and certain transactions don't work well (or in some cases, at all) with DB2
[07:01:22] <jbk> postgres is nice, but their insistence on only supporting the lowest common denominator i think limits its scalability
[07:01:45] <moazamraja> I never understood the Postgres Cluster story
[07:01:55] <moazamraja> at least the open source version doesn't seem to say much about clustering
[07:02:06] <jbk> what sun has hinted at, but not seen any evidence of anyone working on this
[07:02:12] <jbk> which would be really cool
[07:02:28] <jbk> is zfs already essentially includes a nice transactional layer and io scheduler
[07:02:29] <moazamraja> sun working on postgres clustering?
[07:02:34] <moazamraja> oh
[07:02:48] <jbk> internally to zfs you have 'objects' and 'object sets' (iirc)
[07:02:54] <jbk> a file is one kind of object
[07:02:58] <jbk> a directory is another kind
[07:03:04] <jbk> as is a few other internal things
[07:03:23] <jbk> a posix filesystem is one sort of object set (consisting of 'files' and 'directories')
[07:03:39] <jbk> why not have 'tables' and 'indexes' conatined in a 'database'
[07:03:42] <freetown> i guess interbase and firebird are history?
[07:03:44] <jbk> let zfs do the transaction manaement
[07:03:49] <jbk> +g
[07:03:58] *** dnm has joined #opensolaris
[07:04:07] <jbk> so most of the database work is parsing and query optimization
[07:04:21] <jbk> i've actually toyed with doing some sort of experimental bit
[07:04:26] <jbk> but finding the time...
[07:04:32] <jbk> kinda related to that
[07:05:08] <jbk> if you use java, basically compile the queries to a java class that's then dynamically run (jre includes libraries that can do the compile + run bit)
[07:05:17] <jbk> with appropriate sql caching
[07:05:43] <jbk> you can utilize any jvm optimization + JIT bits without any extra work (or code)
[07:06:03] <jbk> so you can essentially compile a sql query into native machine language
[07:06:22] <jbk> it would be an interesting research project
[07:08:21] <moazamraja> meanwhile, oracle is working on their own FS
[07:08:27] <moazamraja> and their own NFS client stack
[07:08:30] <jbk> and nfs client
[07:08:33] <jbk> and cluster software
[07:08:36] <moazamraja> yuhp
[07:08:42] <moazamraja> "Vee vill owwwwn you!"
[07:08:52] <moazamraja> u wanna talk monopoly, forget MSFT, look at Oracle..."
[07:08:52] <jbk> (which if their cluster software is any indication, i wouldn't touch their nfs client or fs with a 10 foot pole)
[07:09:07] <jbk> but i think there are opportunities
[07:09:11] <jbk> esp w/ cmt stuff
[07:09:27] <moazamraja> unfortunately, I think the world is moving away from Sun more than towards Sun
[07:09:36] <moazamraja> and I think that movement is accelerating
[07:09:42] <moazamraja> much to my chagrin
[07:09:56] <jbk> i'm not sure...
[07:10:02] <jbk> right now you're hearing a lot about linux
[07:10:11] <moazamraja> CIOs are scared of depending on Sun
[07:10:23] <moazamraja> IBM, Oracle, HP, they all know this
[07:10:32] *** juriskr has joined #opensolaris
[07:10:44] <jbk> but then i also hear people that do the whole solaris->linux thing and then cringe at the problems
[07:11:11] <jbk> hell finding a stable redhat config that will run on hp proliants is a bit of work
[07:11:13] <moazamraja> from a tech perspective, solaris > linux
[07:11:24] <moazamraja> from a business outlook, Sun is scary as hell
[07:11:33] <freetown> jbk, but you don't hear a lot of linux->|back tosolaris
[07:11:50] <jbk> yeah because sun sucks about advertising them
[07:11:55] <moazamraja> no CEO, useless board, lack of direction, lack of focus, no real roadmap
[07:12:14] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris
[07:12:22] <jbk> a lot fo the 'linux->solaris' stuff you hear is 'we have these 10 year old sun boxes, so we bought new hardware and it's a lot faster and cheaper'
[07:12:23] <freetown> sun engineers ougth to take over the sales and marketing depts
[07:12:34] <freetown> jbk, heh
[07:12:35] <jbk> and would be the same if its old solaris->new solaris or old solaris->linux
[07:13:05] <jbk> but of course it's ment to imply linux > solaris when it' really just saying 'moore's law is still working'
[07:13:25] <moazamraja> at least as of roughly 2003/2004, Sun did not have a *single* software sales person
[07:13:32] <jbk> yeah, their sales is a big problem.. they need to do something about that..
[07:13:34] <moazamraja> just hardware ppl who dont know jack about software
[07:13:52] <moazamraja> "Well, it's got 12 CPUs and 4GB RAM! What more do u want!?"
[07:14:06] <moazamraja> they need a new CEO :/
[07:14:11] <moazamraja> a new exec. staff
[07:14:11] <jbk> i almost took a pre-sales engineer position, just because i know the software and hardware, can speak in $ and tech terms and all of that
[07:14:25] <jbk> i think more they need to revamp some of the middle management
[07:14:28] <freetown> moazamraja, hah! you cannot beat sun sales for laziness too!
[07:14:33] <moazamraja> freetown: amen
[07:14:37] <jbk> hell
[07:14:42] <jbk> i'd almost be tempted to go to them
[07:14:44] <moazamraja> middle mgmt is driven by the total LACK of leadership from Upper Mgmt
[07:14:51] <mui> my company was long against solaris reincarnation but zfs did it afterall
[07:15:18] <jbk> 'let me go around to whatever business doesn't have an existing sun rep, don't limit me to a certain company size'
[07:15:27] <mui> magic words such as iscsi, snapshots and stuff
[07:15:39] <jbk> i think there's a huge untapped market for them in the smaller business market
[07:15:44] <freetown> mui, also available on freebsd...
[07:15:51] <mui> imo sun's hw pricing sucks ass heavily
[07:15:52] <jbk> but it's more work from a sales perspective
[07:16:02] <mui> yeah but business wise solaris > freebsd in every occasion
[07:16:09] <mui> enterprise is always enterprise
[07:16:24] <jbk> the storage stuff could be a huge success if they play it right (that's a big if though)
[07:16:28] <jbk> especially now
[07:16:33] <freetown> strange world, enterprise
[07:16:48] <moazamraja> Sun pricing is actually low
[07:16:50] <jbk> companies are now really concerned about saving money
[07:16:55] <moazamraja> relative to IBM, etc.
[07:17:19] <jbk> 'hey we have a box that will meet all your storage needs, and it's 1/3 the cost of EMC or netapp (or lower)'
[07:17:19] <moazamraja> with discounts, Sun is hard to beat on price
[07:17:45] <moazamraja> jbk: problem is, netapp is an appliance, very easy to manage, very easy to extend & cluster
[07:17:53] <moazamraja> I don't believe Sun has a story in that space
[07:17:54] <jbk> and just as easy (if not moreso) to manage (I'm assuming fishworks will actually do this)
[07:17:56] <mui> after discounts suns hw is okay
[07:18:14] <moazamraja> Solaris+ZFS doesn't do it without the management interface (CLI, whatever, something 100% funcional)
[07:18:19] <moazamraja> functional...even
[07:18:43] <mui> but if average joe goes thru their websites and clicks fancy pictures all they get is "starting from 75000USD"
[07:18:45] <moazamraja> fishworks. heh. i heard about that almost 1+ year ago. nothing yet it seems
[07:18:51] <jbk> it's not too bad now.. there are some goofy things w/ netapp, and the licensing for every individual feature is annoying
[07:19:01] <mui> err
[07:19:07] <mui> there is nice management interface for zfs
[07:19:07] <jbk> well i'm hoping it will emerge soon
[07:19:15] <mui> but afterall, zfs is very easy to use
[07:19:19] <jbk> there's been small offhand tidbits of stuff
[07:19:19] <mui> even thru cli
[07:19:44] <moazamraja> mui: i mean managing it so that u can add another 24-48TB shelf and just have it extend your filesystem to that
[07:19:52] <moazamraja> not just managing that single box
[07:19:57] <mui> yea
[07:20:26] <moazamraja> netapp has multiple head-units, multi-shelves, very easy and full functional CLI
[07:20:57] <jbk> but is expensive
[07:21:48] <moazamraja> not really
[07:21:52] <moazamraja> i mean, it ain't cheap
[07:21:57] <moazamraja> but it isn't that expensive either
[07:22:01] <moazamraja> just like Sun, they give major discounts
[07:22:07] <moazamraja> and their NFS stack kicks ass
[07:22:08] <jbk> assuming sun can come out with a comparable interface (with the people working on fishworks, i really don't think that should be a problem)
[07:22:21] <moazamraja> jbk: again, Suns problem is not really technical.
[07:22:28] <jbk> but then some of the tidbits i've heard mentioned (all public)
[07:22:29] <jbk> heh yeah
[07:22:38] *** luna1 has quit IRC
[07:22:42] <moazamraja> jbk: companies don't want to spend millions on products from a company who they dont think will be around very soon
[07:22:59] <jbk> i've wondered what would happen if they created a separate sales & marketing (preferably with non-sun people) for just such storage products or other things
[07:23:09] <moazamraja> jbk: and Sun mgmt has proven itself to be negligent, incompetent, if not corrupt
[07:23:34] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC
[07:24:56] <jbk> they still have a decent amount of money in the bank and still are selling stuff (granted, part of the problem was being too concentrated in large companies in specific industries, and they don't seem to be fixing that), so it's death isn't a sure thing...
[07:25:01] <jbk> remember
[07:25:06] <jbk> in the 90s
[07:25:11] <jbk> ibm was doing _terrible_
[07:25:13] <jbk> and they turned around
[07:26:21] <jbk> i do think though they need to really revamp their sales stragety
[07:26:23] <moazamraja> they have 3 billion in cash
[07:26:28] <moazamraja> but
[07:26:33] <moazamraja> they also have 35k+ employees
[07:26:43] <jbk> and go after smaller busineses and try to break into more markets..
[07:26:45] <moazamraja> they need to get to about half of that
[07:26:53] <e^ipi> and a 3.38bn market cap
[07:27:09] <e^ipi> heh, sun's assets are worthless
[07:27:26] <e^ipi> the people, the land...
[07:27:32] <moazamraja> years ago I remember McNealy telling us how we had 7-8Billion in cash
[07:27:33] <jbk> stock markets are funny like that
[07:27:36] <moazamraja> then it was 5-6...
[07:27:37] <moazamraja> then 4-5...
[07:27:43] <moazamraja> then they stopped saying stuff about the cash
[07:28:15] <moazamraja> e^ipi: if Sun tried to sell the Menlo Park and Santa Clara campuses, it would actually be quite difficult right now
[07:28:31] <moazamraja> and from what I've heard, they have tried to sell MPK for a while
[07:28:48] <jbk> and it doesn't sound like google would be buying :)
[07:28:58] * jbk is still waiting for their stock to crater
[07:29:07] <moazamraja> it did already.
[07:29:10] <moazamraja> 700-->300s
[07:29:24] <moazamraja> Sun ---> $1.10
[07:29:29] <moazamraja> (pre reverse split adjusted)
[07:29:33] <jbk> but how much of that was just being pulled down by the general downturn in the stock market?
[07:29:47] <moazamraja> jbk: nah, they cratered from 700 a *while* ago
[07:29:54] <moazamraja> and last I checked, google was still profitable
[07:29:56] <freetown> well they would need to seriously change their sales staff. i tried to get some sun support for a pbx solution and they commented about how their heads were complaining that all they ever do was banks and in the end we got left out
[07:30:02] <moazamraja> i.e., making cash money every quarter
[07:30:03] <jbk> but i wonder how long that will last
[07:30:11] <moazamraja> longer than Sun
[07:30:22] <jbk> they seem to really being starting to cutback on perks
[07:30:23] <moazamraja> easier to last with profits every quarter than without
[07:30:30] <jbk> and talking to people who put their ads on websites
[07:30:33] <moazamraja> jbk: smart of them
[07:30:44] <jbk> even before they did the 'few, but higher quality clicks' thing
[07:30:47] <moazamraja> a businesses objective is to make money
[07:30:54] <jbk> that with similar levels of traffic
[07:30:58] <moazamraja> a business who loses that goal, suffers
[07:31:06] <jbk> people were getting less and less money
[07:31:17] <jbk> and since the whole thing is so opaque
[07:31:33] <jbk> it'd be really easy to just squeeze those websites to keep their profits up
[07:31:35] <moazamraja> google will do fine
[07:31:45] <jbk> but you can only squeeze so far..
[07:36:16] <jbk> it'll be interesting to see -- advertising is traditionally one of the first budgets to be slashed
[07:37:54] *** perlmongo has quit IRC
[07:37:54] <moazamraja> the next is IT spending? ;)
[07:37:59] <moazamraja> (dunno if that's true or not)
[07:38:11] <jbk> probably depends on the company
[07:40:37] <jbk> like in my industry (oil & gas) the ones that didn't lever up and have cash on hand are probably gonna be in a better position, and could gets some good deals on buying leases and such, or look to do some investment in technology now so that when demand picks up, they're better positioned to handle that than their competitors who are heavily in debt and cannot do much of anything but fire people and sell assets
[07:42:39] <moazamraja> so..
[07:42:51] <moazamraja> do u think Sun 'levered up' in the last 2-3 years?
[07:42:59] <moazamraja> i mean..StorageTek...MySQL....
[07:43:05] <jbk> well how much debt do they have?
[07:43:05] <moazamraja> and all of a sudden, not much cash
[07:43:22] <moazamraja> $1Billion for company whose yearly revenue was $30 *M*illion
[07:43:33] <jbk> yeah i think mysql was overpriced
[07:43:45] <jbk> i know i wouldn't have paid that much for it :)
[07:43:55] <moazamraja> i woulda just downloaded it for free ;)
[07:49:40] <fraggeln> its friday, whwere is sxce 100? :D
[07:52:17] <_mary_kate_> fraggeln: /topic
[07:53:01] <chendy> y skiped 100?
[07:53:45] *** div11 has joined #opensolaris
[07:53:54] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris
[07:54:44] <e^ipi> because it was broken.
[07:55:09] *** lesterc_ has joined #opensolaris
[07:55:17] <CosmicDJ> and 101? ;)
[07:55:37] <e^ipi> is it the 30th yet?
[07:55:38] <e^ipi> no.
[07:55:42] *** lesterc_ has quit IRC
[07:56:29] <moazamraja> ...
[07:57:00] *** amf has quit IRC
[07:57:07] *** amf has joined #opensolaris
[07:57:21] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris
[07:57:23] <moazamraja> "There were a number of problems with build 100 and it had to be re-spun.
[07:57:23] <moazamraja> Due to the timing, it would have come out right around the time of 101,
[07:57:23] <moazamraja> so it has been canceled.
[07:57:23] <moazamraja> 101 is due next Thursday, 10/29."
[07:57:24] <moazamraja> (couldn't get output from /topic, for some reason)
[07:57:54] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris
[07:58:05] *** ivan has quit IRC
[07:58:08] *** ivan has joined #opensolaris
[07:58:37] *** ivan is now known as Guest21226
[08:00:10] *** Guest21226 is now known as ivan
[08:08:39] *** freetown has quit IRC
[08:10:09] *** lesterc has quit IRC
[08:11:24] *** smtms has quit IRC
[08:12:10] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris
[08:12:47] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris
[08:18:52] *** sophokles1 has joined #opensolaris
[08:19:42] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU
[08:20:00] *** freetown has joined #opensolaris
[08:23:14] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris
[08:24:38] *** sophokles2 has joined #opensolaris
[08:24:40] *** yongsun has quit IRC
[08:26:09] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC
[08:28:39] *** sophokles2 has left #opensolaris
[08:35:06] *** sophokles has quit IRC
[08:37:58] *** sophokles1 has quit IRC
[08:38:43] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris
[08:49:28] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris
[08:50:17] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris
[08:54:16] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris
[08:54:18] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris
[08:56:26] *** axisys has quit IRC
[08:57:24] *** nico has joined #opensolaris
[08:58:11] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris
[08:59:08] <DTEIT> morning
[08:59:09] <CIA-57> Nikko He <Li.He at Sun dot COM>: 6762274 Assertion failed in scsi_resource.c line 675
[08:59:10] *** twisti_home is now known as twisti
[09:01:01] *** freetown has quit IRC
[09:02:22] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris
[09:06:36] *** jossh has joined #opensolaris
[09:06:45] *** lesterc has quit IRC
[09:07:11] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris
[09:10:35] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[09:12:43] *** timeless has joined #opensolaris
[09:12:44] *** derchris has quit IRC
[09:12:50] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris
[09:13:08] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris
[09:16:05] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris
[09:21:38] *** div11 has quit IRC
[09:25:29] *** ruse39[home]__ has joined #opensolaris
[09:29:18] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris
[09:29:19] *** div11 has joined #opensolaris
[09:29:47] *** ruse39[home]_ has quit IRC
[09:36:20] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris
[09:43:43] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris
[09:47:53] <qiyong> and one read the uts souce code?
[09:48:09] <qiyong> where is the filesystem code, and where is the USB driver code?
[09:49:36] <oxygene> qiyong: http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/fs/ filesystems
[09:49:59] <qiyong> oxygene: thanks, and the driver ?
[09:50:14] <oxygene> qiyong: http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/io/usb/
[09:50:38] <oxygene> qiyong: what are you trying to do?
[09:50:40] <qiyong> btw, what's the meaning of onnv?
[09:50:55] <moazamraja> nv = nevada
[09:50:58] <qiyong> i'm try to view the solaris drivers
[09:51:15] <qiyong> then on? moazamraja
[09:51:33] <moazamraja> OS/Net
[09:51:47] <qiyong> Net as in network?
[09:51:54] <moazamraja> "ON (pronounced "Oh En") is the common abbreviation for the OS/Net consolidation which delivers the core Operating System and Networking components to Solaris. It contains the source for the kernel and all platforms (on all architectures), the bulk of the drivers, filesystems, core libraries, and basic commands that you'd expect to find on a Solaris system. "
[09:52:03] <moazamraja> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/
[09:52:56] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju
[09:53:44] <qiyong> moazamraja:  so ON even includes userland programs
[09:55:00] <oxygene> yes
[10:02:40] <qiyong> how to download and build the kernel and its dirver?
[10:03:10] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris
[10:05:54] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris
[10:07:43] *** dunc has quit IRC
[10:08:04] <qiyong> oxygene: ^
[10:08:26] *** slx86 has joined #opensolaris
[10:10:05] *** cloudnet00 has joined #opensolaris
[10:11:12] <CosmicDJ> qiyong: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/
[10:15:25] *** anilg has left #opensolaris
[10:21:13] *** slx86 has quit IRC
[10:21:50] *** Ditegen has quit IRC
[10:24:10] *** cloudnet00 has quit IRC
[10:25:19] *** cloudnet has joined #opensolaris
[10:36:18] *** slx86 has joined #opensolaris
[10:36:48] *** MrBIOS_ has quit IRC
[10:39:17] <qiyong> oxygene: do you happen know the dirver/bus init code from main() ?
[10:40:49] *** RElling1 has quit IRC
[10:41:42] *** MattMan_ has joined #opensolaris
[10:43:32] <CosmicDJ> qiyong: do you want to write a device driver?
[10:43:40] <oxygene> qiyong: docs.sun.com - look for the solaris driver programming guide
[10:43:46] <qiyong> CosmicDJ: sort of
[10:44:12] <oxygene> no need to reverse engineer the interface when there's excellent documentation :)
[10:44:37] <qiyong> reading source code != reverse engineer
[10:44:39] <qiyong> :p
[10:46:10] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris
[10:50:43] *** sartek has quit IRC
[10:50:51] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris
[10:52:54] *** MattMan has quit IRC
[10:59:20] <CIA-57> Edward Pilatowicz <Edward.Pilatowicz at Sun dot COM>: 6409860 sn1 brand should use elfexec(), 6540437 sn1 brand doesn't support indirect system calls
[10:59:26] <CIA-57> Mark Phalan <Mark.Phalan at Sun dot COM>: PSARC/2008/631 Kerberos PKINIT, PSARC/2008/358 removal of kadm5.keytab, 6698059 Resync with mit 1.6.3 (pkinit), 6749302 pam_krb5 auth fails with key table entry not found
[11:01:51] <palowoda> Shessh who lit a fire under Edward's butt and bug fixes.
[11:04:10] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[11:12:15] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC
[11:12:46] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris
[11:13:50] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC
[11:14:14] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris
[11:16:37] *** PersonXXL has joined #opensolaris
[11:17:10] *** bnitz has joined #opensolaris
[11:19:04] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU
[11:19:52] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris
[11:24:01] *** RElling1 has joined #opensolaris
[11:24:34] <codestr0m> makefile.master has "# tradeoff time for space (smaller is better)".. which adds -xspace, but "Does no optimizations that increase code size. Does not           parallelize loops if it increases code size.  Example:           Does not unroll loops." So does -xspace produce faster or slower code sometimes.. or just circumstantial?
[11:25:17] <Stric> it reduces the code size, which might fit more in L1/L2 cache etc
[11:25:31] <Stric> so for some things, it makes it faster.. for some, slower
[11:29:28] <CosmicDJ> ah that's cc's -Os? ;)
[11:29:53] <Stric> yeah.
[11:30:36] *** RElling has quit IRC
[11:30:43] <CosmicDJ> IIRC apple recommends building sw with -Os
[11:31:01] <CosmicDJ> haven't seen it anywhere else, though
[11:35:21] *** luc^ has quit IRC
[11:36:39] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC
[11:38:39] <Berny> morning folks
[11:39:16] <cloudnet> Nite
[11:39:28] *** cloudnet has quit IRC
[11:40:56] <Berny> quick zfs question: if i have a mirror with one failed disk and attach a new bigger disk to the mirror as replacement for the failed drive i lose the extra space on the new drive. that far i am certain. but what if i detach the old small drive and replace it with a new bigger drive, so that i have now two bigger drives in the mirror, does the size of the mirrored pool grow by the extra size of the two new drives?
[11:43:01] <palowoda> According to women smallest size prevails.
[11:43:22] <CosmicDJ> you can create a zfs filesystem from plain files in your current fs; why don't you just try it out? :)
[11:44:37] <palowoda> Of coarse if it's an OS root filesystem files as zfs are kind of useless.
[11:44:59] <Berny> hmm, true i could give it a shot with files
[11:45:16] <CosmicDJ> palowoda: they are good enough to play with zfs
[11:47:16] *** bofur has joined #opensolaris
[11:47:17] *** chendy has quit IRC
[11:47:19] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris
[11:47:23] <palowoda> Playing with cheap hardware (as in hard drives) for storage doesn't have the value it did before zfs.
[11:49:41] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC
[11:50:10] <tsoome> hm. did that test on files, replaced 1G files with 2G files and fs is still 984M
[11:50:14] *** hsp has quit IRC
[11:51:04] *** Aashish_Choudhar has joined #opensolaris
[11:51:19] <Aashish_Choudhar> hello everyone
[11:51:34] <Aashish_Choudhar> i need help regarding opensolaris
[11:52:25] <tsoome> but, after zpool export and import, the new size is 2G
[11:52:39] <Aashish_Choudhar> is there any one who can help em
[11:52:40] <Aashish_Choudhar> me
[11:52:43] <tsoome> not sure if you can "reset" the size without export and import
[11:52:51] <Berny> tsoome, you can
[11:52:53] <Aashish_Choudhar> hey tsoome
[11:52:55] <Berny> i just tried
[11:52:58] <tsoome> how?
[11:53:08] <Berny> zpool create blop mirror file1 file2
[11:53:14] <Aashish_Choudhar> hey berny
[11:53:23] <CosmicDJ> tsoome: that sounds interessting
[11:53:25] <Berny> zpool detach blop file2
[11:53:41] <tsoome> ah , i didnt detach, i did zpool replace
[11:53:42] <Berny> zpool attach blop file1 filebig
[11:53:51] *** aashu has joined #opensolaris
[11:53:52] <Berny> zpool detach blop file1
[11:53:55] <tsoome> thats the difference
[11:53:56] <Berny> and size went up
[11:54:25] <Berny> i already had to detach the broken drive
[11:54:55] <Berny> if i left it in the pool it would eventually lock that fc/al loop and halt the box :-/
[11:54:56] <aashu> hi berny
[11:55:04] <Berny> hey folks
[11:55:28] <aashu> berny i need help regarding installation
[11:55:32] <aashu> can u help em
[11:55:33] <aashu> me
[11:56:07] <tsoome> according to man, replace should be same as detach attach, except its doing attach, resilver and detach.
[11:56:17] <aashu> hey tsoome
[11:56:24] <tsoome> hi
[11:56:32] <Berny> tsoome, it attaches first which will keep the old size
[11:56:38] <tsoome> ok
[11:56:44] <aashu> tsoome can u help me reagrding installation
[11:56:50] <Berny> if you detach first the size get determined by the last device in the pool
[11:56:58] <aashu> of opensolaris
[11:57:05] <Berny> aashu, why don't you just ask
[11:57:20] <aashu> how to get started
[11:57:31] <tsoome> yea ok, if you detach/attach, it will grow at once, but you will miss the resilvering
[11:57:36] <Berny> i'd start with downloading the cd/dvd image
[11:57:44] <aashu> i have the cd
[11:57:53] <tsoome> aashu:  put dvd into machine and boot:P
[11:57:54] <foo_bar> then power on the computer
[11:57:55] <aashu> i got it through regular mail
[11:58:02] <Berny> tsoome, since i already had to detach i don't care
[11:58:09] <tsoome> Berny: ofc
[11:58:11] <palowoda> Oh brother.
[11:58:18] <tsoome> good to know anyhow:)
[11:58:30] <aashu> when i power on it started booting from cd
[11:58:38] <Berny> and resilver runs after attaching the new dev :-)
[11:58:48] <aashu> but then it asked for login and password
[11:58:58] <tsoome> as we just finished building up clustered zones on top of zfs and this kind of information may prove valuable.)
[11:59:07] <Berny> aashu, which distribution did you download?
[11:59:32] <Berny> tsoome, yeah easy to grow mirrors now :-)
[11:59:35] <aashu> i got the cd from free distrution programib
[11:59:54] <Berny> aashu, right, which one is it?
[12:00:03] <aashu> opensolaris
[12:00:13] <tsoome> well, in SAN environment i'll go with adding up new luns, instead of replacing existing ones with larger.
[12:00:16] <Berny> it got a label right?
[12:00:27] <aashu> yup
[12:00:31] <Berny> is it opensolaris 2008.05?
[12:00:40] <aashu> yes
[12:01:07] <aashu> you are right berny
[12:01:12] <palowoda> big delay
[12:01:42] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris
[12:01:52] *** sletz has joined #opensolaris
[12:02:12] <Berny> aashu, does it start the gui?
[12:02:22] <Berny> it should log you in automatically
[12:02:48] <aashu> when i restart it boots from cd
[12:02:57] <Berny> only if it can't start the gui it drops to the console (text) login and asks for login/passwd
[12:02:58] <aashu> then it asks for login and password
[12:03:37] <Berny> does it show some graphics or is it just white text on black background?
[12:03:51] <aashu> some blue screen
[12:04:06] <aashu> then after usb keyboard selection
[12:04:17] <aashu> it asks for login and password
[12:04:25] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris
[12:05:29] <aashu> what login and password should i give
[12:06:18] <aashu> berny u there
[12:07:00] <palowoda> aashu: I think he went to get a drink.
[12:07:07] <Berny> when you boot off the cd it shouldn't ask for login/passwd
[12:07:33] <Berny> if you installed it to harddisk - enter the name and password you put in during installation
[12:07:47] <aashu> i didnt installed it to hard disk
[12:07:56] <aashu> it is in cde only
[12:08:04] <aashu> cd only
[12:08:40] <tsoome> well...... i did type in google: opensolaris 2008.05 login password and the answer was in first hit
[12:08:58] <aashu> shall i google
[12:09:06] <palowoda> why not?
[12:09:33] <tsoome> if you havent dont that so far, are you 100% sure you wanna play with things like operating systems?
[12:10:16] *** jk5 has joined #opensolaris
[12:10:18] <Aashish_Choudhar> ya why not
[12:10:39] <Aashish_Choudhar> tsoome i googled it
[12:10:47] *** _Auralis has joined #opensolaris
[12:10:48] <palowoda> And the answer is?
[12:10:51] <tsoome> as most answers for your questions are available from google anyhow.
[12:11:04] <Aashish_Choudhar> but cant see any login password kind of thing
[12:11:07] <Aashish_Choudhar> can u tell me
[12:11:13] <palowoda> No no no
[12:11:15] <Aashish_Choudhar> wht is the login and password
[12:11:24] <Aashish_Choudhar> palowoda
[12:11:25] <palowoda> It's a secert.
[12:11:34] <Berny> read the part about trying out the live cd
[12:11:54] <palowoda> It would be boring if we told you.
[12:11:55] <tsoome> well, if you cant find and read http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/getit/ - you are not qualified enough to use the internet im afraid....
[12:12:38] <jk5> has anyone had luck wth USB wireless in opensolaris live cd?
[12:12:39] <Cyrille> then again being qualified for something has rarely stopped people from doing it anyway...
[12:12:46] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC
[12:12:48] <tsoome> :D
[12:12:53] <tsoome> so true:P
[12:13:18] <th> "being not qualified"
[12:13:26] <th> ;)
[12:13:38] <th> hi Berny btw ;)
[12:13:51] <tsoome> ok, I'll go and try to find some food, or else bad things will happen...
[12:14:24] <palowoda> jk5: Which build of Indiana?  I thought the USB wirelese was not integrated in any Nevada or Indiana release.
[12:14:36] <palowoda> wireless.
[12:14:40] *** Plaidrab has quit IRC
[12:14:56] *** aashu has quit IRC
[12:14:58] <palowoda> wireless usb.
[12:15:03] <Aashish_Choudhar> is it jack
[12:15:12] <palowoda> damn
[12:15:18] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju
[12:15:35] <jk5> it isn't ... but there are drivers ..rum foe example ..but they will not attach
[12:15:39] <jk5> for
[12:16:01] <Aashish_Choudhar> palowd
[12:16:14] *** Aashish_Choudhar has quit IRC
[12:16:18] <palowoda> palowoda is the password.
[12:16:36] <palowoda> god is the login name.
[12:17:09] <th> palowoda: so you are god's secret.
[12:17:57] <palowoda> th: Yeah I guess thoughout time.
[12:18:04] <jk5> Also problems with compiling them
[12:18:08] <th> palowoda: so she's denying you?
[12:18:35] <palowoda> jk5: I thought they had a bin of the usb wireless drive on the project site.
[12:18:52] <palowoda> th: she always obeys.
[12:19:05] <th> palowoda: fair enough ;)
[12:19:38] *** alexlea has joined #opensolaris
[12:20:03] <jk5> they do (rum..I use this one) but they will not attach..I'm doing something fundamentally wrong
[12:20:17] *** atom_fox has joined #opensolaris
[12:20:48] <palowoda> th: It' much more fun that way.
[12:20:49] <palowoda> The wireless usb is more interesting at this point. At least on this channel.
[12:21:13] <atom_fox> newbie here, no background on UNIX, still learning linux...is it ok for me to try open solaris?
[12:21:25] <jk5> I install them thru pkgadd but plumb fails
[12:21:38] <CosmicDJ> atom_fox: inside vbox, sure
[12:21:40] <palowoda> jk5: any dmesg error
[12:21:41] <atom_fox> i'm really interested... but i'm not  sure what i will be going trough...
[12:21:43] <atom_fox> thanks
[12:21:59] <jk5> U will find tough going try freebsd
[12:22:27] *** dunc_ has quit IRC
[12:22:37] <palowoda> jk5: What was the chipset in the usb wireless device?
[12:22:47] <jk5> no. It just fails to attach. Must I compile them?
[12:22:50] <jk5> rt73
[12:22:52] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris
[12:22:53] <alexlea> atom_fox which linux distro have you been using
[12:23:11] <palowoda> Huh rt73.
[12:23:32] <jk5> ralink
[12:24:01] <palowoda> jk5: Ok a manufacture name and model number that you are using?
[12:24:51] <jk5> ralink usb2571  (rt73)
[12:24:55] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris
[12:24:58] <atom_fox> slackware
[12:25:08] <atom_fox> slackware
[12:25:43] <palowoda> jk5: One of those dumb fuck china models that doen't want to own up to the name huh?
[12:25:52] <atom_fox> i'm  using slackware
[12:27:17] *** Auralis_ has quit IRC
[12:27:27] <palowoda> long delay
[12:27:33] *** stux|away has quit IRC
[12:28:14] <jk5> CWD-854
[12:28:22] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris
[12:28:42] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris
[12:28:55] <jk5> It'a a CNet usb wireless
[12:29:08] *** Ditegen has joined #OpenSolaris
[12:29:46] <jk5> It will go in linux and windows
[12:31:14] <palowoda> But CNet want's McCain for President!  You can't be serious.
[12:32:56] <jk5> I don't really give a damn about McCain
[12:33:40] <palowoda> But you do care about CNet wireless usb cards.
[12:33:47] <palowoda> or adpators.
[12:34:08] <palowoda> thingy ma jigs.
[12:34:28] <palowoda> Cnet does sell thingy's anyways.
[12:35:24] <palowoda> Maybe people shouldn't give money to CNet.
[12:35:46] <palowoda> Or read what they say?
[12:36:01] <palowoda> Or try to understand what they say?
[12:36:54] <palowoda> Where where we?
[12:37:18] *** atom_fox has left #opensolaris
[12:38:15] <palowoda> long delay
[12:38:46] <jk5> Off getting something to eat ..slow net in these parts
[12:39:26] <palowoda> What was the manufacture name of that wireless usb adaptor?
[12:39:35] <jk5> ralink
[12:39:56] <palowoda> That is an OEM.  Not the manufacture of the adaptor.
[12:43:36] <palowoda> Let me guess NZ only allows certain companies to import certain named manufactures of equipment.  What is the name of the manufacture of that specific RealTek usb wireless adaptor allowed in NZ?
[12:43:56] <carl-> how can i in solaris restrict access to the machine for certain groups .. in linux this is done through pam_access
[12:44:36] <jk5> It's not realtek it's ralink ...
[12:44:45] <palowoda> Ughhhhh.
[12:47:04] <palowoda> Now that it's not realtek who is it?
[12:48:10] <palowoda> Is CNet the company that sold you the card?
[12:49:18] <jk5> It's the label name
[12:49:45] <palowoda> jk5: Maybe your NZ visa is expiring soon.
[12:50:15] <jk5> so I suppose it is the name of the company that used the ralink chip
[12:51:09] <palowoda> Don't stop yourself now.
[12:52:41] *** tynar has joined #opensolaris
[12:54:29] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU
[12:58:27] <palowoda> jk5: What was the error when you where compiling the drive for the 73 CNet USB wireless adpator?
[12:58:58] <trochej> Hi
[12:59:31] <jk5> no makefile master some such thing....it couldn't even get started
[13:00:04] <trochej> Coffee?
[13:00:13] <jk5> it looked like source that was installed in the file system, then compiled
[13:00:30] <palowoda> trochej: Triple exprsso for me.
[13:01:14] <jk5> not like normal..y'know  having it's own directory, compiled then installed
[13:01:36] <trochej> palowoda: Actually we are at the conference. We could give you one, but you'd have to be in Szczecin. :
[13:02:38] <palowoda> trochej: Yes I do remember you where at the conference.  So many people I didn't get a chance to talk to you.
[13:04:39] <palowoda> At least it was a very nice setting for the conference.
[13:07:34] <palowoda> I would have given a quater of a nut to attend UC Santa Cruz.
[13:07:40] <jk5> the live cd is 2008.5
[13:08:58] <maxote> palowoda, UC Santa Cruz, is not it the Anti-Christ?
[13:10:13] <palowoda> maxote: No UC Santa Cruz legalized pot 30 years ago and have been the demi god of all civilization as we know it now.
[13:10:58] <palowoda> It's SF that want's to legalize sex that is the problem.
[13:11:38] <palowoda> That is why I'm voting for Ron Paul.
[13:11:50] <palowoda> Where where we?
[13:13:34] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris
[13:14:57] <palowoda> Oh, I figured it out NZ is selling CNet wireless USB cards with model number 73, manufactured by some company with a name of RaLink.
[13:16:45] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris
[13:17:10] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC
[13:18:57] *** geronimos has joined #opensolaris
[13:19:10] <geronimos> hi everybody
[13:21:00] <trochej> Elo
[13:21:12] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris
[13:21:16] *** RElling1 has quit IRC
[13:22:03] *** stukag has joined #opensolaris
[13:22:15] <geronimos> hello when i type gcc -o james james.o i have that error http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1235583
[13:26:34] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris
[13:28:13] <palowoda> geronimos: Was it like http://blogs.sun.com/sch/entry/a_not_quite_isochronous_upgrade
[13:29:53] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris
[13:30:54] <Stric> geronimos: I would guess you have busted your system. /usr/bin/ld isn't working anymore
[13:31:18] *** jossh has quit IRC
[13:32:36] <Stric> or see palowodas url
[13:32:50] *** stukag has quit IRC
[13:32:54] <geronimos> Stric: sure doesn't work
[13:33:45] <geronimos> palowoda: yeah same problem but why i need to upgrade it ??
[13:34:02] *** dustman has joined #opensolaris
[13:34:08] <dustman> hi
[13:35:16] <palowoda> geronimos: I think it's Mr. Hahn's suggestion.
[13:36:28] <geronimos> palowoda: but it'll take long day
[13:37:09] <Stric> it's one way of fixing your system
[13:37:16] <dustman> is it possible to use dhcp for network configuration but still retain specific DNS server(s) for domain resolution?
[13:38:20] <palowoda> A long day in software development is undiefined.
[13:38:43] <palowoda> It could be~.
[13:39:12] <palowoda> Sorry 'undefined'.
[13:40:03] <palowoda> geronimos: Just curious are you that down rev?
[13:40:47] <geronimos> palowoda: http://blogs.sun.com/lyon/entry/update_opensolaris_2008_05_to    can i flow this for update my solaris ??
[13:42:38] <palowoda> Hmm we are out of date by a yer for this type of missing symbol, yes?
[13:42:49] <palowoda> s/yer/year
[13:47:41] <palowoda> geronimos: So is this an upgrade or intial install problem?
[13:48:09] <geronimos> palowoda: no still didn't update it
[13:48:45] <geronimos> geronimos: and id the update can't fix the problem i'll do it
[13:51:54] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris
[13:55:51] <palowoda> geronimos: I'm still trying determine what Mr Hahn and Mr Comay had determined in the original blog as the solution. As in the reference to: http://blogs.sun.com/sch/entry/a_not_quite_isochronous_upgrade  I'm not even sure that was the exact solution to your problem.
[13:57:45] <palowoda> It just kind of looked like your problem/issue.
[13:59:54] <geronimos> palowoda: no no
[14:00:52] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris
[14:01:16] <geronimos> palowoda: because them problem it's between 2 machine , and my problem it's only for compiling C
[14:01:57] <geronimos> and i have snv_86
[14:06:54] <palowoda> geronimos: Ok, sorry I did not understand it was a C language problem.
[14:09:03] <geronimos> palowoda: ni it's only ld problem
[14:09:06] <geronimos> no*
[14:09:44] <geronimos> palowoda: can you compile simple apps by C and tell me if you have same problem ?
[14:12:40] <palowoda> geronimos: I've been compiling simple apps on Solaris sence 2.4-2.10, Solaris Nevada and Indiana(aka Opensolaris).  And I personally have not seen this problem. But appearently others have.  Including some important engineers that work for Sun.
[14:13:30] <geronimos> palowoda: thank you , do you use snv86 now ??
[14:13:58] <palowoda> I used it many, many moths ago.  It rather old now.
[14:14:05] <Gekz> moths
[14:14:31] <palowoda> yeah Gekz buggies.
[14:14:39] <geronimos> palowoda: then it's good if i update it
[14:14:40] <Gekz> lol.
[14:14:45] <palowoda> Sorry my fingers are tired.
[14:14:50] <Gekz> my face is tired
[14:14:56] <Gekz> I feel like my face had a stroke
[14:15:09] <palowoda> Build 86 is really old too.
[14:15:21] <geronimos> palowoda: oh my god
[14:15:32] <palowoda> Mine too.
[14:15:33] <Gekz> why is 100 being skipped
[14:15:35] *** niq has joined #opensolaris
[14:15:41] <SunTzuTech> Gekz: bustication
[14:15:56] *** stukag has joined #opensolaris
[14:16:04] <palowoda> Awe they didn't want the debug messages in the system logs from Gnome.
[14:16:11] <palowoda> And some compiler bugs.
[14:16:22] <geronimos> palowoda: i run update it now
[14:16:43] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC
[14:16:44] <geronimos> maybe it'll take long time
[14:17:06] <geronimos> but no problem thank you palowoda
[14:18:41] <palowoda> geronimos: I'm crazy I do complete new installs with both Nevada and Indiana builds.  But I don't expect everyone to do what I do.
[14:19:14] *** luna1 has joined #opensolaris
[14:19:21] <geronimos> palowoda: but you'ren't crazy
[14:19:25] <palowoda> I don't turst upgrades.  And somebody has to not turst upgrades.
[14:19:32] <palowoda> trust
[14:19:33] <geronimos> you arent*
[14:20:32] <palowoda> Nobody from Sun is reporting a upgrade status or clean install reports.
[14:21:05] <palowoda> This is the true wild west you know.
[14:21:15] *** MattMan_ has quit IRC
[14:21:29] <geronimos> palowoda: thank you i go now to pray
[14:21:31] <geronimos> thank you
[14:21:55] <palowoda> pray will get you far.
[14:22:14] <palowoda> Solaris gets you close
[14:23:24] <palowoda> Bill Gates gets you a White Castle cheese buger that makes you throw up but kind of taste good.
[14:24:50] *** gothos has quit IRC
[14:25:09] <SunTzuTech> lol palowoda
[14:25:54] <CosmicDJ> say no to drugs...
[14:26:37] <mui> and use solaris in same time? no way.
[14:26:45] <palowoda> CosmicDJ: You know I consider Solaris as close to drugs as you can get.
[14:27:25] <mui> have you ever even considered how much shrooms were spent during zfs planning phase
[14:28:37] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris
[14:29:06] <CosmicDJ> no but I saw jeff bonwick and linus torvalds drinking a beer ;)
[14:29:38] <palowoda> So that means a party.
[14:30:28] <CosmicDJ> linus: "oh please, give it to us! ext2 was shit, ext3 isn't better, reiser killed his wife, sgi went backrupt and now oracle is trying to take us over with btrfs"
[14:31:17] <mui> hehe
[14:31:19] <palowoda> Ok a cruddy party.
[14:31:35] <palowoda> I'm not making the rules.
[14:34:30] <palowoda> In fact with the stock market the way it is, we got no rules. :)
[14:35:18] <mui> its somewhat increbly stupid that leenox cannot handle oom situations at all
[14:35:21] <mui> or swap
[14:35:44] <palowoda> Drugs, Sex and Solaris.
[14:36:10] <palowoda> Or was it the other way around?
[14:37:05] <mui> solaris depresses you and makes you use drugs, after that you seem liek real bad guy to chix and you get plenty of sex
[14:37:09] <mui> simple as that
[14:38:03] <palowoda> Err I lost 50 dollars a share on IBM vs Sun lately.  I need drugs and sex.
[14:39:22] <SunTzuTech> and a good bottle of wine?
[14:39:40] <CosmicDJ> $ make sex
[14:39:43] <CosmicDJ> make: don't know how to make sex. Stop
[14:40:02] *** Odin- has quit IRC
[14:40:27] <palowoda> CosmicDJ: It doesn't tell you to "Stop" :)
[14:44:23] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris
[14:44:46] <SunTzuTech> It should probably say "Left or Right"
[14:45:10] *** Odin- has quit IRC
[14:45:38] <palowoda> After Nov 4 the thrill will be gone.
[14:46:32] <SunTzuTech> not unless playboy does a spread on VP's
[14:47:32] <palowoda> It's going to get boring after Nov4.
[14:48:03] <palowoda> Pick up your stocks now.
[14:48:08] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris
[14:48:34] <SunTzuTech> heh. that's what Southern Assets is telling pony boy
[14:49:59] <palowoda> Cash in Chaos, play the game.
[14:51:33] <palowoda> Your local nuke plant blows up but energy stocks local to it.
[14:52:13] *** luna1 has quit IRC
[14:52:20] *** digifor has joined #opensolaris
[14:52:52] *** digifor has quit IRC
[14:53:31] <palowoda> s/but/buy
[14:55:20] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris
[14:55:37] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris
[14:55:55] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris
[14:56:47] *** jgracin has quit IRC
[14:58:17] <CosmicDJ> oh great, just got a kernel panic on solaris10u5 while playing with zfs... now I want zfsroot even more ;-)
[14:59:23] <palowoda> Does it panic the same way on build 99?
[15:00:07] <CosmicDJ> no idea, I don't have any machine w/ snv nor opensolaris
[15:00:25] <palowoda> Oh which IRC channel are you on?
[15:01:06] <CosmicDJ> #NetBSD, and I also don't have any netbsd installed
[15:01:36] <palowoda> How do you spell dupiish in polish?
[15:03:30] <palowoda> Come on you have to reproduce it in the latest SXCE, or at least a down rev of Opensolaris.
[15:04:15] *** _Steve_ has quit IRC
[15:04:27] <palowoda> That is what Sun opensource is about, finding out the problems before the supported release.
[15:04:54] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[15:12:29] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris
[15:18:43] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris
[15:18:58] *** Alasdairrr has joined #opensolaris
[15:19:56] *** microchip_ has joined #opensolaris
[15:24:47] *** Fish has quit IRC
[15:26:55] *** juriskr has quit IRC
[15:28:37] *** luc^ has quit IRC
[15:30:37] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris
[15:31:24] <qiyong> anyone have ssh account for me to try on?
[15:31:42] <asyd> try what?
[15:32:03] <qiyong> try a solaris enviroment, some kernel compiling, building
[15:32:39] <asyd> ah well
[15:32:55] <asyd> iirc nexenta can provide you that
[15:32:58] <qiyong> just for short term
[15:33:08] <Stric> virtualbox.org, www.opensolaris.com/get/
[15:33:09] <qiyong> url?
[15:33:21] *** _Steve_ has joined #opensolaris
[15:33:22] <qiyong> i'm running virtualbox, but it's rather slow
[15:33:47] <qiyong> if someone here happen to have a host, and kindly allow me to connect in
[15:33:53] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC
[15:33:55] <Stric> too little memory allocated for the guest?
[15:34:10] <qiyong> i tried 256M
[15:34:22] <Stric> try twice or more
[15:34:47] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris
[15:34:53] <qiyong> two slow
[15:34:55] <Stric> too little memory leads to paging, which is extra slow in a virtual environment
[15:34:56] <qiyong> too slow
[15:35:10] <qiyong> 521M ok?
[15:35:24] <Stric> it's much better than 256M for the guest
[15:35:30] <qiyong> it can't begin the text install even
[15:35:33] *** jk5 has quit IRC
[15:35:51] <Stric> minimum requirements is 512M I think
[15:36:02] <qiyong> btw, is virtualbox better than vmware now?
[15:36:20] <Stric> virtualbox has been pretty good for me at least
[15:37:53] *** slx86 has quit IRC
[15:37:54] <CosmicDJ> 512 MB minimum, 1 GB recommended minimum on solaris 10...
[15:39:22] <asyd> qiyong: try milax
[15:39:26] <qiyong> oh, i got timeout, it went to graphic install :(
[15:39:43] <qiyong> asyd: you mean milax a distro?
[15:39:48] <asyd> yup
[15:40:04] <qiyong> is it suitable for solaris kernel hacking?
[15:42:14] <asyd> you want a remote ssh access to hack the kernerl ?;p
[15:43:04] <CosmicDJ> qiyong: "Solaris Express Community Edition"
[15:43:25] <qiyong> CosmicDJ: yes, i'm trying SXCE
[15:43:30] <qiyong> but too slow
[15:43:43] <Stric> probably because of ram
[15:43:46] <qiyong> so i wonder someone here have one
[15:43:57] <qiyong> i already give it 512M
[15:44:02] <Stric> but if you want to hack the kernel, then you don't want to do it on a remote machine
[15:44:16] <Stric> you either want a physical machine next to you, or a virtual one
[15:44:25] *** twisti is now known as twisti_home
[15:44:27] <qiyong> after read, build, no install and run
[15:44:33] <geronimos> palowoda: hi
[15:44:37] <qiyong> s/after/only
[15:45:33] <CosmicDJ> qiyong: don't run X if you only have 512m ram ;)
[15:45:44] <sartek> ruby experts here? i'm trying to install mysql (gem install mysql) it fails coz it cant find -lmysqlclient, ideas ?
[15:54:58] <geronimos> the blaswave use the old apps , i don't know why
[15:55:59] *** mikric has joined #opensolaris
[15:56:03] <mikric> hello
[15:56:34] <mikric> i want to try out osol. i dont need any graphical environment. is there a stripped down server version?
[15:56:55] <mikric> or is that the one ~600MB iso at opensolaris.com ?
[15:57:00] *** RElling has quit IRC
[15:57:26] <mikric> or does it give you the option when installing?
[15:58:31] *** alexlea has quit IRC
[16:03:52] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris
[16:04:12] <geronimos> mikric:  do you want run to only console mode ??
[16:04:22] <mikric> geronimos: yes
[16:04:23] *** dustman has quit IRC
[16:04:30] <mikric> so no Xorg or anything
[16:05:09] <geronimos> mikric: i think you must change something in inittab , better wait someone wait you how , cause it's not like linux
[16:05:29] <geronimos> show you how to change it *
[16:05:53] <mikric> alright
[16:07:18] *** TT2 has joined #opensolaris
[16:07:35] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[16:07:42] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju
[16:08:18] *** norman has joined #opensolaris
[16:08:34] *** fr4g has quit IRC
[16:09:41] <geronimos> is it possible to controle "wget rate" in pkg config file ??
[16:09:54] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris
[16:10:03] <geronimos> i want use only 30 KB/S
[16:15:45] *** div11 has quit IRC
[16:18:38] <qiyong> how to login the opensolaris live cd?
[16:18:45] <qiyong> user/pass ?
[16:18:51] <geronimos> jack , jack
[16:19:16] <qiyong> geronimos: thanks
[16:19:19] <geronimos> and root is root , opensolaris
[16:19:22] <qiyong> geronimos: how to become root then?
[16:19:27] <qiyong> i see
[16:19:51] <geronimos> no problem
[16:19:51] <qiyong> SunOS 5.11 snv_86
[16:19:56] <qiyong> what's snv means?
[16:20:02] <qiyong> sun nevada?
[16:20:19] <qiyong> or
[16:20:22] <calumb> solaris nevada...
[16:20:23] <qiyong> sun version
[16:20:28] <qiyong> thanks
[16:21:24] <qiyong> what's the default shell for Solaris 10?
[16:21:37] <asyd> the one you want :)
[16:21:46] *** mikl has quit IRC
[16:23:44] *** otep has joined #opensolaris
[16:24:14] *** anilg has quit IRC
[16:27:24] *** yippi has quit IRC
[16:27:43] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris
[16:31:03] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris
[16:32:04] <sletz> does sun compiler support zero-length C array?
[16:32:06] <qiyong> is /system a normal dir?
[16:32:17] <qiyong> or some non-disk mount?
[16:33:06] <Stric> sletz: char blah[]; or char blah[0]; ?
[16:33:23] <Stric> qiyong: haven't seen /system before, so it's something local
[16:33:32] <sletz> char blah[0]
[16:33:51] *** yippi has quit IRC
[16:33:51] *** _capiira has joined #opensolaris
[16:33:56] <Stric> not sure why that would be supported, since it's useless..
[16:34:13] <qiyong> how about /proc, local? Stric
[16:34:18] *** capaz1 has joined #opensolaris
[16:34:22] *** gerard131 has joined #opensolaris
[16:34:36] <Stric> qiyong: /proc is a kernel in-memory virtual filesystem
[16:34:58] <qiyong> stric but i don't see the mount by df
[16:35:07] <Stric> df -a
[16:35:47] * Stric heads home
[16:35:49] *** dnm has quit IRC
[16:36:09] <sletz> Stric: how useless??
[16:36:25] <qiyong> what is ctfs for?
[16:36:55] <Stric> man ctfs
[16:36:59] <Stric> sletz: can't store anything in it
[16:37:07] <Stric> anyway.. *pof*
[16:38:11] *** hsp has quit IRC
[16:38:41] *** capaz2 has joined #opensolaris
[16:38:50] *** gerard132 has joined #opensolaris
[16:39:11] * qiyong wonders what contract is?
[16:39:36] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[16:40:12] <xRaich[o]2x> qiyong: contracts are used be the SMF system
[16:40:34] <qiyong> xRaich[o]2x:  what's that?
[16:40:51] <xRaich[o]2x> qiyong: http://www.posix.brte.com.br/blog/?p=491 <- this should help ;)
[16:41:46] *** tynar has quit IRC
[16:44:01] <qiyong> xRaich[o]2x: i guess this feature, contracts is unique to solaris, is it?
[16:44:12] <xRaich[o]2x> it is
[16:46:10] *** teo` has joined #opensolaris
[16:47:43] *** gerard13 has quit IRC
[16:49:42] <DTEIT> one question: why libmcrypt is not included in solaris?
[16:50:05] <qiyong> what's the package tool?
[16:50:24] <qiyong> pkg* as freebsd
[16:50:31] <xRaich[o]2x> qiyong: what flavour of solaris are you using?
[16:50:50] <qiyong> opensolaris 2008.05 now
[16:50:58] <xRaich[o]2x> it uses IPS
[16:51:02] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris
[16:51:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel
[16:51:07] <xRaich[o]2x> it's also unique
[16:51:32] <qiyong> i find pkginfo works
[16:51:33] *** otep has quit IRC
[16:51:38] <xRaich[o]2x> qiyong: are you at your solaris machine right now?
[16:51:47] *** capiira_ has quit IRC
[16:51:58] <qiyong> yes
[16:52:01] <qiyong> xRaich[o]2x:
[16:52:38] *** capaz has quit IRC
[16:52:44] *** smtms has quit IRC
[16:52:59] <xRaich[o]2x> qiyong:  just open firefox and check out the "OpenSolaris" bookmarks. there you will find a link to a short introduction of IPS "Image Packaging System"
[16:53:21] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris
[16:53:36] *** capaz1 has quit IRC
[16:53:57] <xRaich[o]2x> qiyong: it also comes with the beadm tool which enables you to branch your system. VERY useful feature
[16:54:32] <qiyong> now i want to compile the kernel, i'm looking into /platform
[16:54:32] *** gerard131 has quit IRC
[16:54:47] *** phimic has quit IRC
[16:56:08] <qiyong> i saw i86hvm i86pc i86xpv
[16:57:10] *** ejray_ has joined #opensolaris
[16:57:57] <jbk> hmm.. i wonder when xvm server is actually going to be available to download (the web interface bit)
[16:58:06] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris
[16:58:07] *** ericjray has quit IRC
[17:00:30] * jbk woudl really like to be able to compare all the various offerings
[17:01:00] *** perlmongo has quit IRC
[17:01:36] <h3sp4wn> jbk: Have you seen the early access tarball ?
[17:01:58] <h3sp4wn> (Of the code)
[17:02:39] <jbk> yes
[17:02:47] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris
[17:02:50] <jbk> but they don't include anything to build it
[17:03:08] <h3sp4wn> Thats what I thought
[17:03:25] <h3sp4wn> (And its wasted time really seen as it should be out soon)
[17:06:10] *** mikric has quit IRC
[17:06:39] <h3sp4wn> I am more interested in the thing to make opensolaris an appliance (but cannot find that either)
[17:08:06] *** hannesd has joined #opensolaris
[17:09:26] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris
[17:16:52] *** ky-san has left #opensolaris
[17:17:15] *** mikric has joined #opensolaris
[17:18:22] *** carl- has quit IRC
[17:18:28] <qiyong> how do I  fetch and install the kernel source?
[17:18:54] *** ruse39[home]__ is now known as ruse39[home]
[17:21:06] <h3sp4wn> Gman / alanc: The SUNWmlib examples seem to be broken due to a missing pixrect/rasterfile.h (Looks like removed prior to the X gate being in mercurial) Its only for some defines but I am learning how to use mlib anyway (and learning a current interface would be useful to me) probably most people are not bothered so I want to provide a patch with the bug report
[17:22:17] *** ejray_ has quit IRC
[17:23:07] <alanc_away> h3sp4wn: there's an open bug report against rasterfile.h breaking other builds, didn't realize mlib needs it too - guess I'll put it back
[17:23:51] <h3sp4wn> alanc_away: It doesn't need it its just the example code thats all
[17:24:01] <h3sp4wn>  /opt/SUNWmlib/examples
[17:28:44] <h3sp4wn>  /opt/SUNWmlib/example/{image,graphics} (Thinking though if its removed then it is no longer the recommended way (and wonder what is guess its perfectly documented))
[17:30:19] *** Triskelios has quit IRC
[17:30:57] *** calumb is now known as calAFK
[17:32:23] <holcomb> are the JASS developers in here?
[17:32:28] *** TT2 has left #opensolaris
[17:34:10] *** niq has quit IRC
[17:34:33] *** ciapsadm has joined #opensolaris
[17:34:47] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[17:34:52] <ciapsadm> Hi
[17:35:20] *** wereHamster has joined #opensolaris
[17:35:59] <wereHamster> I can't find any install cd for amd64. Is the x86 install cd universal or does an amd64 (or x86-64 if you will) version simply not exist?
[17:36:58] <xRaich[o]2x> wereHamster: it's universal
[17:37:04] <tsoome> why there should be a separate cd for amd? they aren anything too special:P
[17:37:31] <wereHamster> one is 32bit, the other is 64
[17:38:01] <h3sp4wn> wereHamster: If you plan to update try with a snapshot of the new one (or you will download more than the cd)
[17:38:09] <tsoome> todays cpus are all 64 bit;)
[17:38:31] <wereHamster> so the install cd only works on 64bit cpus?
[17:38:35] <h3sp4wn> tsoome: What about the Leon
[17:38:39] <evocallaghan> Whats a 32bit :p
[17:38:56] <xRaich[o]2x> wereHamster: no it works on both.
[17:39:46] * evocallaghan tries to understand why people hang on to cheap x86 gear likes its worth something ??
[17:39:49] <qiyong>  /usr/src/uts/sun4u/io/
[17:39:51] *** RavenSlay3r has joined #opensolaris
[17:39:55] <qiyong> what is sun4u for?
[17:40:09] *** calAFK is now known as calumb
[17:40:15] <tsoome> platform name
[17:40:52] *** jfndi has joined #opensolaris
[17:42:02] <RavenSlay3r> morning all
[17:42:17] <h3sp4wn> tsoome: (Don't know of many sparc compatible processors and they went through sparc international and its certified etc) http://www.gaisler.com/images/leon3val.gif (That I have to use Linux on them is annoying)
[17:42:55] *** comay has joined #opensolaris
[17:43:01] <RavenSlay3r> Anyone know whats going on with the stock price? I know it's a rough season and all, but JAVA is taking a beating, considering all the new tech they've got in the pipe-line.
[17:43:04] <RavenSlay3r> Tis got me worried.
[17:43:05] <tsoome> dont use any systems with linux on my free will:D
[17:43:07] <qiyong> tsoome: what's the full name ?
[17:43:08] *** e1kg has quit IRC
[17:43:13] <_mary_kate_> qiyong: sun4u is UltraSPARC and SPARC64, except for T1/T2/T2+, which are sun4v
[17:43:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay
[17:43:44] <qiyong> _mary_kate_: sun4u == sun for Ultra?
[17:43:51] <_mary_kate_> no
[17:44:03] <_mary_kate_> 'sun4' is the general family (SPARC), 'u' is the specific type
[17:44:12] <_mary_kate_> sun1, sun2 and sun3 were m68k machines
[17:44:35] <qiyong> what's the x86 now? _mary_kate_
[17:44:36] <xRaich[o]2x> RavenSlay3r: I'm watching that myself. totally irrational...
[17:44:42] <_mary_kate_> qiyong: i86pc
[17:45:01] <_mary_kate_> or i86nec (quite obsolete), or i86xpv for Xen
[17:45:03] <qiyong> _mary_kate_: they no longer use sunX?
[17:45:15] <_mary_kate_> qiyong: not for x86
[17:45:22] <tsoome> sun3 with i386 was as well, icant remember its name, and it had nothing to do with x86 arch:)
[17:45:29] <moazamraja> RavenSlay3r: http://www.itpro.co.uk/607494/sun-founder-and-architect-quits?CMP=NLC-Newsletters
[17:45:36] <_mary_kate_> it was never used for x86, except for the sun386i, a rare 386-based non-PC-compatible sunos4 machine
[17:46:33] <h3sp4wn> tsoome: The main part is the FPGA (Embedded Dev Boards) seems ironic its a sparc and I cannot run any version of solaris with it
[17:47:16] <tsoome> well, being a sparc spec cpu doesnt mean it should run solaris by itself:) someone needs to complete the port:P
[17:47:28] *** crichardso has joined #opensolaris
[17:47:39] <qiyong> what are T1/T2/T2+? some SPARC too?
[17:47:57] <RavenSlay3r> moazamraja: thanks for the warm fuzzies ;)
[17:48:01] <_mary_kate_> qiyong: Niagara / Rock
[17:48:05] <qiyong> does sun still produce SPARC ? both cpu and computer?
[17:48:12] <RavenSlay3r> why didn't he just let sun sell the damn switch?...
[17:48:29] <tsoome> i had a recent experience with suse 10.1 - attempted to install, it did reset few times, and finally got to install and finalized it. nevertheless it wasnt bootable. no error messages, nothing.
[17:48:42] <qiyong> _mary_kate_: Niagara/Rock ?
[17:48:54] <moazamraja> RavenSlay3r: wait for an up day soon, and sell the stock. that's all I can recommend :/
[17:49:01] <_mary_kate_> ... you never heard of niagara?  have you been living in a cage for the last 3 years? ;)
[17:49:07] <tsoome> then i did insert S10U3 dvd and got disk IO errors at once after kernel was up. removed faulty HDD and it was all ok....
[17:49:16] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris
[17:49:30] <moazamraja> RavenSlay3r: as for *why* the market is punishing them so much, well, have u not been watching their acquisition behavior and lack of governance?
[17:49:33] <RavenSlay3r> tsoome: i think suse 10.1 was a poor release as I recall 10.3 was better and 11 is ok
[17:49:44] *** mikric has quit IRC
[17:49:51] <_mary_kate_> qiyong: http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-T2/
[17:49:55] <h3sp4wn> tsoome: True but Sun financing Linux and Windows users just not have to pay for VMware etc but not helping people on its own OS etc
[17:49:55] <tsoome> ye, the thing is, its part of integrated solution and i cant replace it;)
[17:49:56] *** ejray_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:50:04] <RavenSlay3r> moazamraja: yeah i saw the part about them buying the database that drives the internet - that cn'at be too bad a deal
[17:50:18] <tsoome> hence i told, i will not use linux unless im forced:P
[17:50:24] <moazamraja> $50million revenue/year, they paid $1 *B*illion
[17:50:27] <moazamraja> that's a horrible deal
[17:50:48] <SunTzuTech> that's what happens when children are not supervised
[17:52:03] <RavenSlay3r> ...
[17:52:09] <h3sp4wn> tsoome: Given a devboard when what you should be doing is programming the FPGA but its easier to have an OS etc (Thats forced to me)
[17:52:41] <tsoome> yeah, it happens:)
[17:53:00] <RavenSlay3r> If they could figure out how to market & monetize this stuff, it seems like they have a great lineup of new products, coming out or about to in the next 1-2 years...
[17:53:12] <moazamraja> thats what they said 1-2 years ago
[17:53:19] <moazamraja> they cant figure it out
[17:53:35] <RavenSlay3r> Unless ive been mislead - and they don't have a corner on new processor tech, virtualization, and the OS market
[17:53:37] <moazamraja> and with the current set of mgmt/board, they never will figure it out
[17:53:37] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC
[17:53:45] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC
[17:54:11] *** DTEIT has quit IRC
[17:54:20] <h3sp4wn> I have wished Sun would buy XiG for ages (Perhaps its impossible) I have always thought their X Server was tons better than Xorg (But I cannot install it except on Solaris 10) I wouldn't have thought that would cost a billion
[17:54:50] <_mary_kate_> h3sp4wn: sun is all about linux compatible nowadays, using software that's not also used on Linux isn't part of their business plan
[17:55:07] <RavenSlay3r> don't like that
[17:55:22] <alanc_away> _mary_kate_: you mean, except when it's not, like ZFS & IPS?
[17:55:25] <RavenSlay3r> they should make the linux stuff compatible with SUN but then make sure SUN has nifty stuff no one else does too
[17:56:11] *** netj has joined #opensolaris
[17:57:50] *** sah-work has joined #opensolaris
[17:59:13] <RavenSlay3r> So I see how Sun could be very strongly positioned in the industry and take off again in the next two years based on the technolgy and products I read about... but i just have the outside persepctive...
[17:59:16] <RavenSlay3r> am I being delusional?
[17:59:36] *** teo`` has joined #opensolaris
[18:00:27] <moazamraja> RavenSlay3r: yes. very delusional.
[18:00:54] <ciapsadm> What should I partitions to install OpenSolaris?
[18:01:12] <moazamraja> best thing to hope for is that opensolaris becomes 1000% open and can be worked on and progressed without Sun being around
[18:01:50] <RavenSlay3r> good to know, i guess. thanks.
[18:02:04] <moazamraja> it's my opinion only.  :/
[18:02:34] <RavenSlay3r> understand
[18:02:39] <tsoome> what you mean?
[18:02:46] <tsoome> by 1000% open
[18:03:03] <moazamraja> meaning that without sun employees, someone can build it from scratch, from source, fully operational
[18:03:25] <moazamraja> if that is already possible, that's great. Last I had checked, that was not the case
[18:03:34] <h3sp4wn> _mary_kate_: Yeah but could the sort of cash they spend not buy Transistive even (That integrated with zones would allow all the IRIX / HPUX people to migrate onto Solaris and run all the legacy sparc apps on x86 and run Linux stuff like Matlab (Solaris support is due to be dropped by them even on sparc)
[18:04:11] <RavenSlay3r> tsoome: thinks he want's it to be mangaged by the OpenGL comittee so that if sun goes under they can give it a slow and painful death instaead of a quick easy one . ;)
[18:04:31] * vmlemon_ can't see Sun -> Sunk happening any time soon ;)
[18:04:58] <RavenSlay3r> ty vmlemon
[18:05:05] *** geronimos has left #opensolaris
[18:05:20] <tsoome> the world would be a bit different, but then again, it would be an open spot and would be filled soon;)
[18:05:54] *** mikric has joined #opensolaris
[18:06:14] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC
[18:06:54] <tsoome> also, being "open" doesnt make things happen - my list of great inventions made by "open source" community is still empty one....
[18:07:05] <h3sp4wn> If it is true by 2015 there will be 1000 core processors then it could be another chance to rise to fame (so they can waste money after again)
[18:07:43] <CosmicDJ> tsoome: sorry but the idea of opensource is an archivement alone
[18:07:54] <tsoome> howcome?;)
[18:08:34] <tsoome> okok:P
[18:08:37] <CosmicDJ> would you pay for an OS? compilers? libs? archivers? audioplayers? burn progs?
[18:08:47] <CosmicDJ> you can have all that now, for free
[18:09:03] <vmlemon_> A few years ago, people would probably have thought you were crazy to share and let other people redistribute your source code with others
[18:09:08] <tsoome> actually, its only and main achevement is to force vendors to provide more access to some software.
[18:09:51] *** nicholasw has joined #opensolaris
[18:09:52] <tsoome> but that is only in some extent - as you may have noticed, matlab is not available on solaris:P
[18:10:47] <CosmicDJ> solaris is/was a server os (mostly)
[18:10:47] <h3sp4wn> I would pay XiG again if they supported SXCE (Bought the Linux version because its 32 bit cpu and quite old) other laptop is SCXE (nvidia) its the little things easily worth $129
[18:10:48] <tsoome> thats a stupid excuse:P
[18:11:28] <CosmicDJ> tsoome: ask yourself of you are the company behind mathlab; should I let my expensive labor (i.e. developers) work an mathlab port for an OS that's mainly used in datacenters?
[18:12:26] <tsoome> again, its a stupid excuse.
[18:12:28] *** MattMan has quit IRC
[18:12:34] *** MattMan_ has joined #opensolaris
[18:12:44] <RavenSlay3r> CosmicDJ: Yes - because your developers will be much happier if they can WRITE the software in soloaris
[18:12:45] *** nicholasw has left #opensolaris
[18:12:47] <RavenSlay3r> :-D
[18:12:52] <CosmicDJ> no it's rational and business oriented
[18:12:52] <_mary_kate_> h3sp4wn: XiG doesn't seem to support many modern commodity GPUs.  no recent ATi, no NVIDIA at all
[18:12:54] <seanmcg> tsoome, matlab is available for solaris... sparc, but its there.
[18:13:06] <vmlemon_> Hell, they could "port" it to LINA or similar, and call it a "Solaris application"
[18:13:30] <jbk> well it's a lot less effort to maintain on solaris than linux
[18:13:42] <vmlemon_> (Even though it'd just be a Linux app running on a cross-platform compatibility layer)
[18:13:50] <jbk> though probably not quite as bad as drivers
[18:13:51] <h3sp4wn> _mary_kate_: The only support when they can get the specs (no reverse engineering)
[18:14:01] *** teo` has quit IRC
[18:14:04] <jbk> see 27 different versions of ocfs needed just for suse linux
[18:14:17] <RavenSlay3r> if you were to write an app today, it seems to me you could do it cross-palatform for nearly the same effort as window only, it's just a matter of what libraries you choose and how careful you are
[18:15:49] <RavenSlay3r> eg. QT vs MFC .. building the interface is the same amount of work - why not get the flexibility to support 1/2 a dozen OSes for the price of one?
[18:15:51] <CosmicDJ> problem is, most apps today aren't written from scratch
[18:15:53] <RavenSlay3r> thats just me tho
[18:16:35] <RavenSlay3r> CosmicDJ: that is true
[18:17:12] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC
[18:17:28] <CosmicDJ> they have rotten pieces of code in it, and when you ask who developed this, I wanna talk to him you'll hear: "here the shovel"
[18:17:30] <tsoome> if you have an "generic" app, based on common (gnu) libs, it can run basically anywhere.
[18:18:12] <tsoome> ofc if your app needs specific optimizations, its different story and then it will need some effort to support yet another platform
[18:18:47] *** netj has quit IRC
[18:19:27] <h3sp4wn> CosmicDJ: Alot of people use Cadence on Solaris (and Matlab is also used by similar people) EDA is a big market for Sun (And when fabbing a chip is so expensive) and the EDA software is $100k a license if they can use one machine and save money they will but if they cannot have all the tools then they will switch to Linux (and loads of chips will end up with random Linux related bugs)
[18:21:26] *** axisys has quit IRC
[18:22:08] *** RElling has joined #opensolaris
[18:23:13] *** ciapsadm has left #opensolaris
[18:24:57] *** Dar has quit IRC
[18:25:15] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC
[18:25:19] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris
[18:26:49] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris
[18:27:00] *** mikefut has quit IRC
[18:28:49] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris
[18:30:00] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC
[18:30:05] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris
[18:31:16] *** sletz has quit IRC
[18:35:05] *** axisys has quit IRC
[18:35:22] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris
[18:35:24] *** Erwann has quit IRC
[18:38:10] <th> is the idmap daemon on opensolaris only for the kernel based CIFS stuff or for samba based serving as well?
[18:39:08] <CosmicDJ> nfsv4
[18:40:11] <th> manpage talks about mapping Windows  security  identities  (SIDs) and POSIX user IDs and group IDs
[18:40:23] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris
[18:40:38] <tsoome> i think its only for built in cifs engine
[18:41:00] <th> that's what i thought. there is "idmap backend = ldap:...." in smb.conf
[18:41:14] <CosmicDJ> ah k, then I was mixing this up w/ svc:/network/nfs/mapid:default
[18:41:14] <tsoome> as samba is using gnu license and will be incompatible:P
[18:41:31] <tsoome> not that sure though
[18:41:40] <th> yesterday i was able to set ZFS-ACLs on an samba-exported filesystem with WinXP
[18:41:44] <th> that does not seem to work today
[18:41:53] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris
[18:42:29] <th> and i've no clue what made it work yesterday or what made it ill today
[18:42:30] <tsoome> so try the cifs server built into solaris;)
[18:42:53] <th> ugh ;_)
[18:44:03] <tsoome> was a lot easier to set up, esp with zfs;)
[18:44:16] <th> yea but i'd lack some smb.conf flexibility
[18:44:29] <tsoome> like?
[18:46:05] <th> actually i forgot what i was missing most when i tested the kernel-based CIFS
[18:46:55] <th> i think i would not be able to CIFS-share a nfs-mounted directory
[18:47:05] <tsoome> i just did set it up, and forgot about it, altho, that current setup needs nothing more than just sharing few fs.
[18:47:40] *** noyb has quit IRC
[18:47:55] <th> some "force user" stuff i have in smb.conf could indeed be implemented smarter
[18:48:05] <tsoome> why not to share cifs on that nfs server anyhow?
[18:48:26] <th> to have a single server for the users
[18:48:33] <th> it's for a migration phase only
[18:49:06] <th> so for some period of time i need to share NFS and ZFS
[18:49:29] <th> and with samba i can share the NFSv4 ACLs from the NFS-mounted fs
[18:53:02] *** amf has quit IRC
[18:53:05] *** Vagrant has joined #opensolaris
[18:57:05] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris
[18:58:00] *** gerard132 has quit IRC
[18:58:19] <tsoome> well, cant access any nfs atm, so i cant check if its possible to share nfs share with cifs:P
[18:58:40] <th> hmm i dont grok this idmap stuff ;)
[18:58:49] <th> trying the kernel sharing again
[18:58:59] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris
[18:59:34] <th> i propably cant have different passwords on the windows side than on the OS side
[18:59:59] <th> that was cool with passdb backend = ldapsam...
[19:01:27] <tsoome> damn i need to update my b90...
[19:01:38] *** RElling1 has joined #opensolaris
[19:01:39] <tsoome> but will wait for 101:D
[19:02:27] <th> same here for my snv_90
[19:02:34] <th> (but these samba games are on snv98
[19:03:51] *** jfndi has quit IRC
[19:04:21] <RavenSlay3r> I'm on SXCE_b94
[19:04:27] <RavenSlay3r> should probably update soon too
[19:04:54] <RavenSlay3r> not a good time for me to go breaking stuff tho
[19:06:48] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris
[19:07:04] <th> this smbd is just not resolving usernames from this ldap
[19:07:11] *** slx86 has joined #opensolaris
[19:08:27] <Vagrant> should i install 2008.05 or scxe? ;-)
[19:08:32] <Vagrant> sxce*
[19:09:42] *** RElling has quit IRC
[19:09:42] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris
[19:10:45] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris
[19:13:51] *** MattMan_ has quit IRC
[19:14:55] *** slx86 has quit IRC
[19:15:54] *** Ditegen has quit IRC
[19:16:25] <RavenSlay3r> Vagrant: what are you intending to use it for?
[19:19:41] *** Maturion has joined #opensolaris
[19:20:40] *** Maturion is now known as Maturi0n
[19:20:45] *** Maturi0n is now known as Maturion
[19:21:11] <RavenSlay3r> * In SXCE b94, on a Sun Ultra-40-M2 with a Quadro-1700, it seems there's a possible conflict on IRQ-10 or some other configuration error ... As a result, most/all graphics acceleration is happening on the CPU. Support has given me a little run-around...
[19:21:28] <Vagrant> RavenSlay3r: want to know closer what is opensolaris, learn how to us it and his features on my laptop
[19:21:28] <RavenSlay3r> Has anyone else encourted this, know of a fix, or know if it was fixed in a more recent build?
[19:22:59] <Vagrant> learn to zfs, dtrace etc
[19:23:30] <RavenSlay3r> Vagrant: If you just want to play around with the latest-greatest i would whole-heartedly reccomend open-solaris. When it came down to being productive, I found SXCE was a touch more stable - though that was 2+months ago already.
[19:24:00] <h3sp4wn> RavenSlay3r: Are you using the latest nvidia drivers ?
[19:24:26] <h3sp4wn> RavenSlay3r: The sun shipped ones are totally fscked at the moment
[19:24:47] <RavenSlay3r> h3sp4wn: yes, have tried latest sun and nvidia drivers, flashed the bios, and tried swapping out the Quadro
[19:25:29] <RavenSlay3r> h3sp4wn: no kidding, the "shipped drivers" were from august of last year... the one's on the website were a little bettter. Forget if i'm on nvidia or sun drivers ATM., but i tried both
[19:25:33] <Vagrant> and when i want to upgrade sxce to newer should i leave an empty space on my hdd for it?
[19:25:38] *** hannesd has quit IRC
[19:25:46] *** MrBIOS_ has joined #OpenSolaris
[19:26:31] <h3sp4wn> RavenSlay3r: Actually you said b94 there was one point where everything started working properly for me - try b98
[19:26:50] <h3sp4wn> with latest drivers (Mine is quadro 1600m)
[19:27:26] <RavenSlay3r> ok
[19:27:47] *** rmesta has joined #opensolaris
[19:27:54] <h3sp4wn> RavenSlay3r: b98 was almost perfect (then I thought I can get rid of studio 11 forever so use b99 bad idea)
[19:27:57] <RavenSlay3r> b98 was an overall good build?
[19:28:31] <RavenSlay3r> lol, good deal - i'll try to tget onto 98 this weekend.
[19:28:35] <h3sp4wn> For me it was - quadro - core2 laptop thats pretty quirky
[19:28:45] *** rmesta has left #opensolaris
[19:29:31] <RavenSlay3r> cool, thanks. :)
[19:29:35] *** MrBIOS_ has quit IRC
[19:29:54] <RavenSlay3r> Vagrant: I can't answer that, maybe someone else can help.
[19:30:23] <Vagrant> and how are you install new software, with blastwave?
[19:31:42] <h3sp4wn> RavenSlay3r: If its nvidia sata then b99 is even more of a no no (zfs is indistructable but the driver is broken badly)
[19:32:18] <RavenSlay3r> lmao, glad i asked ;)
[19:32:19] *** bnitz has quit IRC
[19:34:27] <RavenSlay3r> Vagrant: wish i could help more but i'm new too.
[19:34:59] <RavenSlay3r> blastwave works, for non-blastwave stuff i think i'm doing it wrong .. so i won't tell you how i do it.
[19:35:02] <RavenSlay3r> :-/
[19:36:32] *** bnitz has joined #opensolaris
[19:39:14] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC
[19:39:26] <h3sp4wn> Vagrant: I would try use spec-files extra and try the beta pkgtool that supports IPS
[19:40:05] <h3sp4wn> RavenSlay3r: (It can be hacked back in from the old build but its irritating (If its a work machine no chance)
[19:40:22] <RavenSlay3r> it's a work machine.
[19:40:56] <RavenSlay3r> if b98 is safe i'll upgrade, if problems are highly-probabe than i'd better off waiting a few weeks ... i'm in a bad position for dealing with problems
[19:41:54] <th> which manpage documents the nfs4: prefixed options from smb.conf?
[19:42:29] *** Maturion has quit IRC
[19:43:10] *** niq has joined #opensolaris
[19:43:52] <h3sp4wn> RavenSlay3r: b99 has a development build of gnome and sunstudio 12
[19:44:20] *** ruse39[home]_ has joined #opensolaris
[19:44:57] *** Ditegen has joined #OpenSolaris
[19:45:11] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris
[19:45:46] <RavenSlay3r> h3sp4wn: that sounds like trouble. I'm using sunStudio Express anyways and it's working. :)
[19:49:43] *** calumb has quit IRC
[19:51:35] *** axisys has quit IRC
[19:53:48] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris
[19:54:37] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris
[19:59:11] <CIA-57> Michael Bergknoff <Michael.Bergknoff at Sun dot COM>: 6731560 Aborting prtdiag with control-c results in future prtdiag reporting "unknown" for sensor outputs
[19:59:30] *** luna1 has joined #opensolaris
[20:01:46] *** ruse39[home] has quit IRC
[20:06:08] *** mikric has quit IRC
[20:10:07] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris
[20:13:04] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris
[20:14:21] *** Asako has joined #opensolaris
[20:15:31] *** swa_work has quit IRC
[20:15:58] *** mikric has joined #opensolaris
[20:16:53] *** Vagrant has quit IRC
[20:30:39] *** dunc has quit IRC
[20:34:18] *** mikric has quit IRC
[20:34:49] <h3sp4wn> RavenSlay3r: I mean what the OS is compiled with (used to be sunstudio 11)
[20:36:50] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris
[20:38:09] *** mikric has joined #opensolaris
[20:40:33] <RavenSlay3r> oh, ok
[20:43:32] *** Auralis_ has joined #opensolaris
[20:48:49] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC
[20:49:19] *** mikric has quit IRC
[20:51:09] *** mikric has joined #opensolaris
[20:53:05] *** dreary_dayz has joined #opensolaris
[20:54:54] *** MC_MCslp has joined #opensolaris
[20:55:16] *** Ditegen has quit IRC
[20:55:39] *** Ditegen has joined #OpenSolaris
[20:58:00] *** Macabee has quit IRC
[20:59:10] *** _Auralis has quit IRC
[21:03:01] *** spiki has joined #opensolaris
[21:04:11] *** wewek is now known as wewek_away
[21:04:53] *** wewek_away has quit IRC
[21:05:51] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris
[21:06:21] *** MC_MCslp has quit IRC
[21:12:49] *** derchris has quit IRC
[21:13:00] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris
[21:14:13] *** hsp has quit IRC
[21:14:28] *** MC_MCslp has joined #opensolaris
[21:17:42] *** medar has quit IRC
[21:18:30] *** evocallaghan has quit IRC
[21:19:44] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris
[21:24:27] <jbk> does anyone know if Xvfb needs to be run as root?
[21:24:35] <jbk> or can it run as a non-privleged user?
[21:26:17] *** MC_MCslp has quit IRC
[21:27:25] *** bedlam has quit IRC
[21:29:13] *** cloudnet has joined #opensolaris
[21:30:59] *** dustman has joined #opensolaris
[21:31:02] <dustman> hi
[21:31:05] *** bedlam has joined #opensolaris
[21:31:22] *** MC_MCslp has joined #opensolaris
[21:31:45] <dustman> I've found something resembling FreeBSD's Handbook but for Solaris:
[21:31:51] <dustman> http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/pages/lksfbook.html
[21:32:35] <ottom> jbk: it'll run, but it won't be able to create the pipe or Unix domain transport endpoints.  It'll spit out a bunch of complaints and then listen on TCP only.
[21:33:41] <turtle> nice
[21:34:44] *** dreary_dayz has quit IRC
[21:34:49] *** teo`` has quit IRC
[21:35:41] *** dreary_dayz has joined #opensolaris
[21:36:11] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris
[21:37:13] *** teo` has joined #opensolaris
[21:42:31] *** dunc_ has quit IRC
[21:44:53] *** dreary_dayz is now known as dreary_dayz_
[21:45:21] *** dreary_dayz_ is now known as dreary_dayz
[21:48:26] *** ejray_ has quit IRC
[21:51:37] *** microchip_ has quit IRC
[21:52:53] <mphill> dustman: good find
[21:53:05] <kim0> dustman: thanks
[21:55:02] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC
[21:55:26] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris
[21:59:33] <CIA-57> Simon Cheng <Simon.S.Cheng at Sun dot COM>: 6631129 More descriptive error codes required in begin-end response
[22:01:41] *** Canar has quit IRC
[22:01:43] *** toutoutout has joined #opensolaris
[22:01:46] <toutoutout> visit toutoutout.net
[22:01:46] *** toutoutout has left #opensolaris
[22:02:52] *** Canar has joined #opensolaris
[22:06:19] *** microchip_ has joined #opensolaris
[22:09:19] *** MC_MCslp has quit IRC
[22:10:19] *** mikric has quit IRC
[22:18:38] *** anilg has quit IRC
[22:25:20] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris
[22:33:53] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris
[22:35:17] *** Ditegen has quit IRC
[22:39:25] *** TheK has joined #opensolaris
[22:40:41] *** Canar has quit IRC
[22:41:40] *** geronimos has joined #opensolaris
[22:42:01] <geronimos> palowoda: hello
[22:42:15] <TheK> So... My OpenSolaris desktop just went pitch black. Not window blue-screen "oops an error occurred you can make fun of me now" but pitch-blackhole-I'llsuck yourenergyout-dark screen forever followed by dead silence. Ok.. it _might_ be a HW failure, but nothing seems to indicate that (no logs, no warnings, not happening running heavy graphics on windows).
[22:42:15] <geronimos> palowoda: after the update all it's good
[22:42:36] <TheK> I don't remember the last time I lost work this way...
[22:43:21] <TheK> >:(
[22:44:12] *** hohum has quit IRC
[22:44:51] *** cloudnet has quit IRC
[22:46:07] *** gottadoit` has joined #opensolaris
[22:46:46] *** jgracin has quit IRC
[22:46:53] *** kuzgun has joined #opensolaris
[22:48:35] *** geronimos has left #opensolaris
[22:48:37] *** geronimos has joined #opensolaris
[22:50:28] *** dreary_dayz has quit IRC
[22:51:21] *** dreary_dayz has joined #opensolaris
[22:52:06] *** desp has joined #opensolaris
[22:52:09] <desp> Hi.
[22:53:02] *** gottadoit has quit IRC
[22:55:00] <Asako> does zfs have a way to list snapshots by date?
[22:56:04] <geronimos> please how to give permisson tu a user
[22:56:16] <geronimos> cause i want add user to scanner groupe
[22:56:32] <seanmcg> Asako, ls -l <dataset>/.zfs/snapshots
[22:57:05] *** mega has joined #opensolaris
[22:57:35] <seanmcg> Asako, actually no, that doesn't work.
[22:57:43] <Asako> zfs list -H -t snapshot | awk '/home\/wattersm/ {print $1}' | head -4
[22:57:50] <Asako> that gives me the 4 oldest ones
[22:57:53] <geronimos> sorry
[22:58:19] <geronimos> does anyone run all in one in opensolaris
[22:58:31] <Asako> all in one?
[22:58:41] *** medar has joined #opensolaris
[22:58:42] <geronimos> all in one it's print with scanner hp 1215
[22:58:49] <seanmcg> Asako, you can get the snapshot creation get like: zfs get creation <dataset>@<snapshotname>
[22:58:59] <geronimos> my print work good but scanner no
[22:59:09] <CIA-57> Antonello Cruz <Antonello.Cruz at Sun dot COM>: 6753802 procfs may access kernel data it shouldn't
[22:59:23] <Asako> I'm just trying to think of a way to only keep a month's worth
[23:00:19] <Asako> any way, think I got it
[23:00:38] <seanmcg> Asako, why not use tim foster auto-snapshot tools ?
[23:00:47] <Asako> guess I could
[23:00:56] <Asako> overkill for my needs
[23:01:08] <seanmcg> they'll be in the next versions of sxce and 2008.11
[23:01:13] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris
[23:01:15] *** jk4 has joined #opensolaris
[23:01:54] *** Tilt has joined #opensolaris
[23:02:36] *** jk4 has quit IRC
[23:03:00] <Asako> it's unlikely I'll need more than a few weeks of snapshots any way
[23:03:39] <seanmcg> you say that now :)
[23:04:11] <Asako> it's my workstation
[23:05:39] *** comay has quit IRC
[23:06:43] <desp> I just installed OpenSolaris for the first time, and I'm having a hard time finding where to get gcc from.
[23:06:52] *** stukag has quit IRC
[23:07:17] <desp> The gcc page on sunfreeware.com mentions having to install gcc packages from the Solaris CDs
[23:07:37] <desp> But I don't see any gcc packages on my OpenSolaris CD
[23:08:04] <alanc> desp: OpenSolaris LiveCD contains a lot less than Solaris CD's, since OpenSolaris has an online package repo to install from
[23:08:19] <desp> That's fine.  How can I access it?
[23:08:28] <alanc> on OpenSolaris, run 'pfexec pkg install gcc-dev' to get gcc and all the associated development packages
[23:08:41] <desp> Thanks.  Where would I find this information?
[23:08:55] <desp> I mean, is there some sort of common wiki/faq for this sort of questions?
[23:09:05] <seanmcg> Asako, snapshots are cheap,  I'm keeping a years worth..
[23:09:07] <alanc> in the installing opensolaris guide
[23:09:32] <desp> Thanks.
[23:09:46] <alanc> http://www.opensolaris.com/learn/
[23:10:47] <TheK> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/IPS/instdevsoft.html
[23:11:25] <alanc> yeah, I would have thought there, but that mentions Sun Studio, and I didn't see gcc there
[23:13:42] <Asako> seanmcg, yeah they are
[23:14:00] <TheK> alanc: The next question after gcc is installed is: How can I make sure I can run gdb without ending up cursing at ld
[23:14:25] <geronimos> what's the latest snv ?
[23:14:30] <geronimos> is it 99??
[23:14:40] <TheK> alanc: The default answer given is usually install SunStudio; never any problems. That might well be, but then there far less programs to compile.
[23:14:51] <TheK> geronimos: yes.
[23:15:02] <geronimos> TheK: thank you
[23:15:04] * TheK is pkg image-updating now
[23:15:17] <alanc> TheK: ah, well, since I never use gdb and hadn't heard that was a problem, I didn't know
[23:15:39] <alanc> since I do use dbx for debugging, though I use both Studio cc & gcc for compiling
[23:16:00] <TheK> Figuring out how to switch between Sunstudio and GNU toolchains is gold...
[23:16:47] <TheK> I'm having huge issues. Some chose to work only with SunStudio some go nexenta style and only do GNU. Since I'm such a gredy unsatisfied person I need both to work :)
[23:17:12] <TheK> But linking becomes a mess... and debugging with gdb.
[23:17:23] <Asako> some stuff won't compile with suncc
[23:18:00] <Asako> bitlbee is one
[23:19:23] *** derchris^ has joined #opensolaris
[23:19:33] *** derchris has quit IRC
[23:20:25] *** dreary_dayz has quit IRC
[23:20:56] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris
[23:21:50] *** TheK has quit IRC
[23:22:03] *** _Auralis has joined #opensolaris
[23:22:40] *** dreary_dayz has joined #opensolaris
[23:22:51] <desp> alanc: where can I find a list of the packages available in that repo?
[23:23:10] <alanc> http://pkg.opensolaris.org/
[23:23:23] <alanc> though that lists all packages and all versions so is very long
[23:23:42] <alanc> can use "pkg search -r gcc" to search for something like gcc
[23:27:24] *** mega has quit IRC
[23:32:18] <Tilt> can somebody take a look at the error pkg has been spitting at me since i updated from snv_98 to snv_99?
[23:32:22] <Tilt> http://rafb.net/p/PQYS2687.html
[23:32:30] <Tilt> is a paste of the error it's giving me
[23:34:09] *** mega has joined #opensolaris
[23:34:15] <Tilt> is it the getdefaultencoding() ? or maybe something with the xml processing module
[23:37:19] *** Auralis_ has quit IRC
[23:49:37] *** teo` has quit IRC
[23:50:14] *** mib_ov855w has joined #opensolaris
[23:50:28] <mib_ov855w> whats faster tomcat or sun java webserver
[23:50:29] <mib_ov855w> ?
[23:50:42] <mib_ov855w> tomcat jio beats apaceh 2.2.3 in static benchmarks now
[23:52:04] <seanmcg> sun webserver holds the record for specweb2005 benchmarks (on a t5220) if I recall correctly.  though mib_ov855w it depends on what your webserver is doing too
[23:53:24] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris
[23:54:26] *** thek has joined #opensolaris
[23:54:52] <thek> .oO( at least image-update always brings pleasant surprises )
[23:55:18] <mib_ov855w> it doesnt just embed the apache apr? because tomcat with apr is slwoer than tomcat jio the default
[23:55:25] <mib_ov855w> according to benchmarks int his book:
[23:55:32] <mib_ov855w> http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596101060/chapter/index.html
[23:55:41] <mib_ov855w> so its totally worth it for me to leann
[23:55:45] <mib_ov855w> learn the sun webserver?





top