[00:01:55] <kim0> mib_mb9xsz: try the command "format"
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[00:06:17] <bradd> I have 2 nics, eri0 and rge0. I want to disable eri0 from starting up. I have used Administration/Network to 'disable on boot'. I have also ifconfig unplumb eri0 but it still keeps coming up at boot. any ideas?
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[00:07:33] <jinx099> snv_99 is a nightmare on my machine.  Can I do a fresh install and update to 98, or a dev image of 100 by any chance?
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[00:13:36] <houst0n-> jinx099: sxce ARE dev images ..
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[00:17:27] <jinx099> okay, but can I upgrade to 98 or 100 instead of 99.  99 is unusable on my system and I've been down for days because of it.
[00:19:00] <houst0n-> This is to be expected from a dev release .. but I'm not sure you can downgrade with lu
[00:19:07] <houst0n-> as for 100a - it's not out yet
[00:19:22] <houst0n-> so unless you work for sun, you're not going to get your hands on a copy I think :(
[00:21:43] <jinx099> im not asking to downgrade from 99 to 98.  I'm asking if I can upgrade fro 86 to 98
[00:22:21] <houst0n-> mib_mb9xsz: also trio iostat -n for devices with cXdXyX output - or install moinak's great littke prtpart tool
[00:22:30] <houst0n-> Oh
[00:22:47] <houst0n-> Yeah you can, you're not going to get zfs root with 86 though
[00:22:57] <houst0n-> isn't that 90+ ?
[00:23:17] <jinx099> no, 86 is opensolaris 2008.05, and includes root ZFS
[00:23:41] <houst0n-> sxce != opensolaris 2008.xx
[00:24:30] <houst0n-> yes it was sxce 90
[00:24:34] <houst0n-> see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/zfsbootFAQ/
[00:24:47] <jinx099> I don't think I said sxce anywhere...
[00:25:07] <houst0n-> Ah, I assumed - how are you finding opensolaris 2008?
[00:25:13] <houst0n-> I can't use it :/
[00:25:58] <houst0n-> If you're using opensolaris, why don't use use beadm and activate the be before the 99 upgrade?
[00:26:12] <houst0n-> It even adds grub entires doesn't it?
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[00:27:05] <jinx099> houst0n-, well I can't really because 98 upgraded ZFS to v13 so I have not been able to boot earlier ones
[00:27:20] <houst0n-> Gah
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[00:27:52] <houst0n-> ips does a zpool upgrade?
[00:28:04] <jinx099> not autmatically
[00:28:13] <jinx099> I did it manually, silly me
[00:28:31] <houst0n-> mmh, well I'm not sure you can do much with that tbh
[00:28:40] <houst0n-> besides rebuild
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[00:29:51] <jinx099> I've reinstalled several times, but when I upgrade to 99, everything fails.
[00:30:02] <jinx099> I would like to reinstall and upgrade to 98
[00:30:24] <houst0n-> That's possible, just pick an earlier version of SUNWipkg from pkg list -av SUNWipkg
[00:30:48] <houst0n-> (I've not used opensolaris in a while, syntax may be a bit off there)
[00:32:09] <jinx099> houston, heres another question.  If I upgrade a BE to 99, can I downgrade specific packages?
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[00:33:27] <houst0n-> No idea there sorry mate, I've not used the "opensolaris the distro" since pre 2008.05
[00:34:03] <bradd> i don't know how /dev works on sxce. can I change a link (/dev/audio) to /dev/sound/1 permenantly?
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[00:37:47] <ZOP> vldb_checl vldb.DB0 -servers
[00:37:48] <ZOP> .....
[00:37:49] <ZOP> MH block 0, index 2: 204.11.245.220
[00:37:49] <ZOP>    Server ip addr 0 = 204.11.244.131
[00:37:49] <ZOP>    Server ip addr 1 = MH block 0, index 2
[00:37:50] <ZOP>    Server ip addr 2 = 204.11.244.131
[00:37:58] <ZOP> those are two different machines.
[00:38:05] <ZOP> the one .. 244.131 was jsut renumbered.
[00:38:15] <ZOP> i got the old entry to go away after a syncvldb
[00:38:18] <ZOP> but..
[00:38:29] <piwi> jinx099: i always install the mp3 package in the first (75?) version, which has mp3 codecs working (small workaround ;) ). so it should work.
[00:38:38] <ZOP> if i read this right the DB thinks they're the same machine now??
[00:40:38] <houst0n-> bradd: rm -/dev/audio* && devfsadm -c audio
[00:40:48] <ZOP> oh crap sorry lol
[00:40:51] <ZOP> mis-click wrong channel
[00:41:02] <houst0n-> then -ls -l /dev/autio
[00:41:40] <houst0n-> are you using oss?
[00:41:58] <bradd> nope, just the audioemu driver. oss seems to break my system when i install it
[00:42:21] <houst0n-> I had a similar problem with oss, turned out SUNWaudiohd was crapping all over the place
[00:42:34] <houst0n-> try removing audioemu and audiohd then install oss - works good here
[00:42:42] <bradd> audioemu seems to do the job
[00:42:54] <bradd> when I installed oss, during the install I got a dump on the console
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[00:43:05] <houst0n-> did you file a bug?
[00:43:36] <bradd> no, i was thinking about it, but my connection was down at the time.. thanks for reminding me
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[00:54:51] <houst0n-> Sorry I'm only half here =) What does modinfo | grep audio tell you?
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[00:56:37] <houst0n-> Sod it i'm sleeping. laters.
[00:57:34] <bradd> sorry houst0n- was afk..
[00:57:53] <bradd>  /dev/sound/1 works on the card tho.. thanks for the tips
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[01:03:39] <dustman> anyone here use tools from heirloom project (http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/) ?
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[01:10:05] <geronimos> please lsusb under solaris
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[01:25:50] <evocallaghan> geronimos;/usr/X11/bin/scanpci
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[01:31:07] <geronimos> i think that my opensolaris doesn't know my usb wireless
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[01:32:10] <evocallaghan> usb ?
[01:33:12] <evocallaghan> They are _always_ useless
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[01:34:47] <evocallaghan> What kind is it ?
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[01:36:01] <geronimos> evocallaghan: rlink
[01:36:16] <evocallaghan> 2500 or something ?
[01:36:18] <geronimos> evocallaghan: RT73
[01:36:23] <evocallaghan> oh yea
[01:36:33] <evocallaghan> I think that could work ..
[01:37:27] <geronimos> evocallaghan: but my system doen't know it at all
[01:40:09] <evocallaghan> dmesg ..
[01:40:13] <evocallaghan> Is it there?
[01:41:53] <jinx099> will somebody help me upgrade a fresh install of opensolaris 2008.05 to snv_98 (NOT 99)?
[01:42:07] <geronimos> evocallaghan: it's a loooooooot
[01:43:33] <geronimos> evocallaghan: yes i find it now
[01:43:39] <geronimos> evocallaghan: how to do
[01:44:18] <evocallaghan> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/
[01:44:41] <geronimos> evocallaghan: thank you
[01:45:29] <evocallaghan> np, still have probs send something to the mailling list
[01:45:40] <evocallaghan> jnx099:Why not 99 ?
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[01:48:53] <jinx099> evocallaghan, 99 does not like my system at all.  It is unbootable and I've been down for several days because of it.
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[01:49:58] <evocallaghan> jinx099:panic due to audiohd driver?
[01:50:21] <jinx099> evocallaghan, no, panic for sata controller driver
[01:50:42] <evocallaghan> You got a bugid ?
[01:50:55] <jinx099> not handy
[01:51:38] <evocallaghan> search it, then report it
[01:52:07] <jinx099> report a known bug??
[01:52:16] <evocallaghan> no ..
[01:52:36] <evocallaghan> genius
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[01:53:48] <jinx099> be back in a few
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[01:53:58] <pumpkin_> if I install 99, will I be able to upgrade to 2008.11?
[01:54:09] <pumpkin_> or if I install the current beta of .11
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[01:59:11] <CIA-57> Michael Speer <Michael.Speer at Sun dot COM>: 6608205 tx performance can be improved by not holding locks when calling freemsg()
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[02:01:23] <jinx099> evocallaghan, I believe this is the bug, although there are many other related bugs: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6747598
[02:01:51] <jinx099> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2008091101/
[02:02:46] <evocallaghan> Ah yes I know about this
[02:02:52] <evocallaghan> I think its fixed in 100
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[02:03:35] <jinx099> good to know, but I cant upgrade to 100 now
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[02:04:11] <jinx099> I just want to upgrade to 98
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[02:08:14] <evocallaghan> hmm, I really need sxce 100 as well
[02:08:35] <evocallaghan> 99 is like so screwed everyone :/
[02:08:58] <jinx099> evocallaghan, do you know when 100 will be released?
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[02:12:50] <bradd> does anyone know if there is an alternative volume control without using oss?
[02:17:22] <geronimos> please modprobe under solaris
[02:17:32] <Aria> What are you talking about geronimos?
[02:18:00] <geronimos> Aria: for load module under solaris
[02:18:20] <geronimos> Aria: in linux i used modprobe
[02:18:28] <jbk> hmm nice
[02:18:42] <jbk> acomp core dumps w/ b99
[02:18:46] <jbk> w/ ss11
[02:22:43] <evocallaghan> Does anyone read the /topic
[02:22:51] <Aria> geronimos: Oh, you're asking what the equivalent is, not for someone to port it.
[02:23:10] <evocallaghan> geronimos:Read the /topic !
[02:23:31] <Aria> geronimos, especially http://bhami.com/rosetta.html -- search that page for "modprobe", look up the equivalent
[02:23:49] <geronimos> Aria: thank you
[02:24:19] <Aria> You're welcome. It /is/ in the topic (though I didn't pick up what the abbreviation *ux was at first either.)
[02:25:23] <_mary_kate_>  /t
[02:25:25] <_mary_kate_> er
[02:25:40] <geronimos> Aria: i'm native with Linux i just have 5 day by solaris
[02:26:28] <Aria> So am I. (though I've a lot more history with Solaris than 5 days)
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[02:39:28] <bimbo> hello, I thought pfexec date -a 3600 would add 1 hour to the current time, but it does nothing... is this normal?
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[03:09:38] <freetown> hi all, does zfs support striping?
[03:10:06] <piwi> it's the default mode
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[03:11:03] <piwi> put some disks in a pool and zfs will make a stripeset
[03:12:34] <freetown> eh? it is? Okay, let me change the question a bit. If I had a working mirror, can I make another mirror and then ask zpool to form a new stripeset with the two mirrors without destroy the data on the current mirror?
[03:12:48] <lkthomas> ok guys
[03:12:52] <freetown> destroying
[03:12:53] <lkthomas> my storage server hang again!
[03:13:08] <lkthomas> I think it is time to trace why is it happening ?
[03:13:48] <jbk> http://blogs.sun.com/oslab/entry/project_bluewonder_industrial_automation <-- i wonder as a firewall/router/(maybe wireless ap) how much such a thing would cost..
[03:14:21] <piwi> freetown: zpool add poolname mirror disk1 disk2 would be my guess
[03:14:42] <evocallaghan> RTFM
[03:14:52] <evocallaghan> There is some really nice examples ..
[03:15:03] <evocallaghan> man page has everthing
[03:15:06] <freetown> the man page says nothing about striping save raidz
[03:15:55] <piwi> adding the mirror won't stripe existing data, only new data
[03:17:17] <bradd> are any patches required to install SunStudio 12 to a fresh SXCE build 99?
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[03:18:04] <freetown> piwi: thanks
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[03:22:17] <piwi> you are welcome. it helps to try it with some files as virtual disks. playing around adding mirrors etc.
[03:24:33] <freetown> are raidz arrays extendable yet?
[03:24:53] <benley> I'm told you can grow them by replacing all of the disks with bigger ones
[03:24:57] <benley> but not by adding disks
[03:25:05] <benley> (someone please confirm that for me if you know for sure)
[03:25:10] <_mary_kate_> that's true
[03:25:20] <_mary_kate_> you can of course add another raidz array and stripe over them (raid50)
[03:25:58] <evocallaghan> bradd:no
[03:26:44] <bradd> ok, thanks
[03:28:28] <piwi> it is possible to extend your poool from single disk over mirror to raidz, using degraded pools and sparse files as temporary volumes.
[03:29:09] <geronimos> i didn't find clien freenx for solaris 86
[03:29:19] <geronimos> i see only sparc
[03:29:52] <thebentzone> bradd: but you may want to use the GUI to install SS12, and use the advanced options to not patch, since you'll need to patch it to current.
[03:31:23] <bradd> ok. I have SunStudio12... and I tried with patching, but I did get a patching error. I'm going to try no-patch
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[03:36:44] <lkthomas> guys
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[03:37:00] <lkthomas> if opensolaris could detect all harddisk on adaptec raid card
[03:37:09] <lkthomas> does it means I don't need to install any driver ?
[03:38:19] <bradd> thebentzone, do you know where the patches can be found to patch to current?
[03:38:49] <lkthomas> anyone ?
[03:39:32] <bradd> lkthomas, I'd take a guess and say if it detects them you are probably ok
[03:40:20] <lkthomas> ok, one more question, if I found a driver for solaris, does it means it works for opensolaris as well ?
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[03:42:15] <sstallion> evening all
[03:42:20] <brianski> hrm. where is menu.lst in 2008.11 beta (99)?
[03:42:32] <lkthomas> ok, guys
[03:42:49] <lkthomas> which log file should I start to trace if my scsi card got IO error ?
[03:44:37] <bradd> brianski, you can 'find / -name menu.lst'
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[03:45:56] <brianski> bradd: thought i tried that, no dice
[03:46:00] <brianski> maybe i started in /boot
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[04:03:20] <lkthomas> anyone still alive ?
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[04:09:00] <code_m> anyone know of a Milax channel? else could someone tell me the default user and pass for Milax?
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[04:13:35] <evocallaghan> code_m:alex/alex
[04:13:55] <code_m> cool.. thanks evocallaghan
[04:14:23] <evocallaghan> np
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[04:15:36] <code_m> evocallaghan: applying the "go out with an applaud" theory?
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[04:37:54] <brianski> is there a way to get a laptop's builtin trackpad scrolling working with X on opensolaris 2008.05 ?
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[04:39:44] <bradd_> brianski, does it send the same events as a wheel mouse?
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[04:43:39] <brianski> bradd_: xev can't seem to tell the difference between moving on the trackpad and scrolling (which is the same, just on the right hand side of the trackpad)
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[04:44:34] <bradd_> brianski, sorry, I can't help then
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[04:59:10] <CIA-57> Rafael Vanoni Polanczyk <Rafael.Vanoni at Sun dot COM>: 6663818 Poor 'uuid_generate_time' performance in comparision to other OSes
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[05:32:42] <coffman> b99 sxce does not shutdown on init 5 and sharemgr run with 99% cpu
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[05:59:10] <CIA-57> bo zhou - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Bo.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: 6756639 Format should not print "No fdisk solaris partition found" on sparc machine
[06:01:28] <badtruffle> I asked this earlier but then got disconnected... if I install the development build of 2008.11, will I be able to upgrade to the final when it's released? and in general, is it easy to update one's distribution?
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[06:14:48] <comay> badtruffle, the answer is you should be able to update
[06:15:35] <badtruffle> is it a lot of work, or does it amount to typing a command and having it do all the work for you?
[06:17:00] <comay> "pkg image-update" will do all the work
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[06:19:57] <gnut> hello everybody
[06:20:21] <gnut> anyone here use virtualbox? I can't seem to be able to mount an external HD (through USB interface) on virtualbox
[06:20:36] <gnut> the guest is FreeBSD.
[06:20:45] <gnut> the drive just doesn't even show up in /dev
[06:22:12] <badtruffle> comay: thanks!
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[06:26:42] <brianski> hmm anyone else having trouble installinng the sunstudio packages on 2008.11 beta (99) ?
[06:26:58] <brianski> or for that matter, installing any packages whatsoever
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[06:29:31] <ryankrizan> Okay, so I used PartedMagic to resize my Linux and OpenSolaris partitions. made the OpenSolaris partition bigger by about 10 gigs. Now, I try to boot, and all I get when I get to where the Grub menu should be is just the word "Grub" in the upper left hand corner
[06:29:37] <ryankrizan> Anyone know how to fix this?
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[06:30:25] <brianski> ryankrizan: parted doesn't know anything about opensolaris partitions, let alone zfs, afaik
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[06:30:26] <comay> ryankrizan, do you mean "grub>"
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[06:30:34] <ryankrizan> comay, yea.
[06:30:38] <ryankrizan> er wait
[06:30:41] <ryankrizan> no, I don't get a prompt
[06:30:43] <ryankrizan> it just says Grub.
[06:30:56] <_mary_kate_> that means t can't load stage2, you probably need to reinstall it
[06:31:13] <ryankrizan> so in other words I hosed my install.
[06:31:21] <_mary_kate_> no, you just need to reinstall grub
[06:31:26] <ryankrizan> ah hm
[06:31:34] <ryankrizan> what's the best way to go about that?
[06:31:38] <_mary_kate_> the easiest way is probably using the install cd, but i'm not sure of the command you need
[06:31:41] <brianski> ryankrizan: or you could try to resize the os partition back to what it was before
[06:31:46] <_mary_kate_> (especially if this is 2008.05, which uses zfs root)
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[06:32:11] <ryankrizan> _mary_kate_, it is. I'll have to re-burn the ISO and try it again.
[06:32:54] <brianski> grumble, pakage manager is totally stuck on "install/upgrade check -- checking package dependencies...:(
[06:33:22] <brianski> show details, helpfully, shows literally nothing
[06:33:57] <brianski> is there some cmdline foo that will update my package management junk to the latest versions?
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[06:37:12] <ryankrizan> _mary_kate_, looks like i'll give 'installgrub' a try once I get the 2008.05 ISO redownloaded and reburned.
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[06:38:30] <comay> brianski, yes - first, pkill packagemanager
[06:39:16] <comay> then, following the steps outlined here: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/x86/#Update_Inst
[06:39:28] <comay> this will update your packaging system to the latest available
[06:39:35] <comay> then, try to rerun the package manager
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[06:42:20] <freetown> comay: i thought that only applied to 200805 and not 200811?
[06:42:33] <ryankrizan> 200811 was released?
[06:43:08] <comay> it applies to all such releases
[06:43:14] <freetown> well, i don't know what htey call the snv93 release...
[06:43:22] <comay> ryankrizan, there are 2008.11 development builds but it's not the final release
[06:43:29] <comay> need to run
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[07:23:23] <freetown> cor...image-update pulling 1GB worth of stuff.
[07:23:51] <freetown> Indiana needs more mirrors.
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[07:29:26] <e^ipi> step one is it needs the ability to mirror
[07:29:52] <e^ipi> sit tight on that one, as soon as it arrives blastwave and genuix will likely both have mirrors
[07:30:53] <freetown> hmm...is Indiana hot in China? It appears to have a mirror in China.
[07:31:46] <mui> when sol10u6 is coming?
[07:32:10] <e^ipi> when it's done
[07:32:25] <xRaich[o]2x> "come get some"
[07:32:33] <freetown> is that the same as 'when pigs fly'?
[07:32:47] <e^ipi> no, because it will be done
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[07:34:23] <freetown> hmm...some mirror pkg.unix-center.net is...timed out
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[07:43:23] <mui> hmnh
[07:43:35] <mui> is "sol 10 10/08" u6?
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[07:44:36] <farsan> freetown: I tried to find info about mirroring. Didnt find anything
[07:44:41] <kohju> yes 10/8 is u6.
[07:44:53] <freetown> farsan: http://blogs.sun.com/partnertech/entry/public_available_opensolaris_repositories
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[07:47:03] <farsan> freetown: Yeha, but what do I need to setup a mirror?
[07:47:44] <freetown> farsan: no idea.
[07:48:25] <e^ipi> talk to the IPS team. IIRC you'll need to extend IPS to even make it possible
[07:48:38] <freetown> but you can try asking this chap: stephen hahn
[07:51:16] <freetown> e^ipi: yum repos don't need special stuff to create a mirror...rsync and createrepo seem to be sufficient
[07:51:30] <e^ipi> yeah, lovely... ips isn't yum
[07:51:32] <farsan> I think we just answed the question why there are so few public reposotorys.
[07:51:51] <farsan> It shouldent be hard to find info or setup a mirror.
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[07:53:30] <e^ipi> you can't even create packages right now, let alone mirror them... it's not as trivial as you might think
[07:53:59] <e^ipi> just... simmer down. IPS has existed for only a couple months
[07:54:05] <e^ipi> things are coming.
[07:54:07] <freetown> you cannot create packages? What on earth are all those package building docs for then?
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[07:54:18] <e^ipi> freetown: you build Sysvr4 packages
[07:54:23] <e^ipi> and then convert them to IPS
[07:54:29] <freetown> :O
[07:54:33] <freetown> well, blow me down
[07:54:50] <freetown> so that is what blastwave had to do too?
[07:54:51] <farsan> hehe
[07:55:16] <freetown> if only nexenta was compiled with suncc and linked with sunld...
[07:55:27] <e^ipi> and wasn't full of GNU
[07:55:35] <farsan> I've been mirroring the ISOs for a while now
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[07:56:45] <freetown>  i wonder how asterisk would have fared on nexenta...
[07:58:55] <e^ipi> probably fine
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[07:59:03] <kent8> Hi Doc
[07:59:04] <kent8> :D
[07:59:19] <e^ipi> last time i saw any numbers solaris 10 could handle 3x as many calls as linux
[07:59:37] <e^ipi> and at those numbers solaris was rejecting calls while linux was segfaulting
[08:00:06] <freetown> e^ipi: well yes...but asterisk was compiled with suncc that time no?
[08:00:31] <e^ipi> i dunno
[08:01:25] <e^ipi> the paper's pretty old, i only remember it because it was striking ( 300% more concurrency is nothing to sniff at )
[08:02:05] <freetown> heh, that was the blinking reason why i would have like nexenta to have been compiled with suncc and linked with sunld
[08:02:20] <e^ipi> why not just use a different distro?
[08:02:38] <freetown> guess why i am on indy
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[08:35:02] <ryankrizan> Hm, anyone available to give me a bit of help? I'me having issues when mounting ZFS
[08:36:10] <e^ipi> you don't mount ZFS.
[08:36:21] <e^ipi> the zfs has a 'mountpoint' property
[08:36:35] <ryankrizan> well
[08:36:45] <ryankrizan> ice
[08:36:46] <ryankrizan> er
[08:37:03] <ryankrizan> cannount mount '/export': directory is not empty
[08:37:15] <e^ipi> the /export directory isn't empty
[08:37:29] <e^ipi> it's not trying to trick you... the message means what it means
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[08:37:33] <ryankrizan> yea
[08:37:39] <ryankrizan> I don't want to delete that directory though
[08:37:52] <ryankrizan> peering at the contents, it's the contents of my home directory on the harddrive
[08:37:54] <ryankrizan> duplicates
[08:37:55] <ryankrizan> ?
[08:38:01] <freetown> dups?
[08:38:12] <freetown> on solaris...home dirs are placed on /export/home/
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[08:38:31] <e^ipi> that's not entirely true
[08:38:42] <ryankrizan> well
[08:38:46] <e^ipi> that's just where they're typically placed
[08:38:51] <ryankrizan> I'm a little set back about simply rm -rf /export/home/*
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[08:39:10] <e^ipi> no, you would remove the /export/home directory
[08:39:20] <ryankrizan> and I won't lose the data on the hdd?
[08:39:20] <oyvindje> e that directory though
[08:39:20] <oyvindje> 08:38 < ryankrizan> peering at the contents, it's the contents of my home directory on the harddrive
[08:39:22] <e^ipi> it's refusing to overlay on top of /export/home
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[08:40:00] <e^ipi> just set the mountpoint somewhere else, move the contents over and then change the mountpoint back
[08:40:20] <ryankrizan> how would I go about doing that?
[08:40:29] <e^ipi> exactly how i described it
[08:40:52] <ryankrizan> commands?
[08:40:54] <e^ipi> read the zfs manpage if you're unclear on the syntax
[08:41:13] <e^ipi> that's why it's there
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[08:44:09] <lkthomas> e^ipi, did you notice more snapshot will slow down zfs performance ?
[08:44:27] <e^ipi> micro-optimization is the enemy of performance.
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[08:44:40] <e^ipi> no. i haven't noticed it slower.
[08:44:50] <lkthomas> hmm
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[08:45:41] <lkthomas> too bad that gzip can not utilize multi-core cpu power
[08:45:53] <e^ipi> just use ljb
[08:45:57] <lkthomas> or gzip-9 compression method will provide impressive speed :)
[08:45:58] <lkthomas> yeah
[08:45:59] <e^ipi> *lzjb
[08:46:00] <lkthomas> using it now
[08:46:08] <lkthomas> people love the performance and we receive less complain
[08:46:09] <e^ipi> no, it likely wouldn't
[08:46:17] <lkthomas> hmm
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[08:47:17] <e^ipi> gzip1 vs gzip9 is a micro-optimization. it's not worthwhile
[08:47:29] <lkthomas> hmm
[08:47:36] <lkthomas> even gzip1 ?!
[08:47:37] <e^ipi> you gain very little compared to the cost
[08:47:45] <lkthomas> right
[08:47:56] <lkthomas> unless CPU power goes to 10GHz :P
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[08:49:40] <e^ipi> at some point you just buy more spindles and stop doing stupid crap to try to "optimize"
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[08:49:50] <jklyekai> hello ,where can i download  core source for exmaple sunwcakr_5.11_85.tar.gz or sunwckr_5.11_85.tar.gz?   or build 95 ?
[08:49:56] <lkthomas> yeah, hehe :P
[08:50:12] <e^ipi> jklyekai: opensolaris.org
[08:50:25] <e^ipi> the download links have the download s for every consolidation
[08:50:34] <e^ipi> src.opensolaris.org has a web-based cross reference
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[08:52:57] <lkthomas> e^ipi, does zfs + cifs server support shadow copy ?
[08:54:10] <e^ipi> probably not , but isn't that just some hacked attempt at snapshots anyways?
[08:54:47] <freetown> lkthomas: how many snapshots do you have? things do seem a bit slow over here with about 9000 snapshots
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[08:55:09] <lkthomas> e^ipi, :S hacks, I don't want to patch production system, you know
[08:55:15] <lkthomas> freetown, hmm, maybe less than 100 here
[08:55:56] <lkthomas> e^ipi, also, if solaris could detect RAID card HDD, I don't need to install any driver on it, right ?
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[08:56:26] <e^ipi> correct. i would probably turn off RAID though
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[08:56:29] <e^ipi> it's useless
[08:56:45] <freetown> even on an adaptec 2405?
[08:56:47] <lkthomas> I just use it as SATA card :P
[08:56:59] <freetown> OH. a fake raid card
[08:57:27] <e^ipi> especially on an adaptec 2405
[08:57:57] <lkthomas> 2405 = fake raid card ?
[08:58:52] <freetown> now this is getting interesting. So you are saying do the same for areca, lsi logic too?
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[08:59:30] <lkthomas> you can not get 16port SATA card without RAID feature :P
[08:59:50] <e^ipi> indeed
[09:00:33] <freetown> lkthomas: what do you have there?
[09:00:54] <lkthomas> adaptec 31205
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[09:03:51] <freetown> e^ipi: the adaptec 2405 features the same chips as their 5-series but with much less bbu cache...why would you especially disable raid on this card? heat issues?
[09:04:10] <e^ipi> i was being facetious.
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[09:04:53] <e^ipi> ZFS is nice and it especially likes it when it can manage cache by itself, which it can't do with raid enabled
[09:05:10] <e^ipi> and considering ZFS does it's own raid thing, there's really no reason to use hardware controllers
[09:05:14] <freetown> zfs can take over the cache on the card?
[09:05:34] <mui> we had serious problems with areca cards
[09:05:38] <mui> had to switch to lsi for godo
[09:05:43] <mui> good even
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[09:06:06] <mui> in solaris that is, in leenox they work really well
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[09:06:41] <freetown> mui: huh? they have not even managed to get their driver into the mainline linux kernel yet...
[09:06:48] <freetown> mui: or have they?
[09:06:54] <mui> some driver issues causing random panics that were not load/io bound and happened after week or two uptime
[09:07:09] <mui> there are areca driver in vanilla leenox
[09:07:13] <mui> dunno how well it works though
[09:07:31] <freetown> mui: but you said they work really well in linux
[09:07:38] <mui> yes
[09:07:59] <freetown> mui: based on?
[09:08:08] <mui> we have couple hundred terabytes of storage on areca and leenox and they've been running for years without problems
[09:08:09] <e^ipi> random panics after as long as a week /is/ pretty good for linux ;)
[09:08:16] <e^ipi> as opposed to daily
[09:08:21] <mui> that was with solaris
[09:08:26] <mui> and areca
[09:08:34] <e^ipi> again, joking...
[09:08:36] <mui> :P
[09:08:51] <lkthomas> http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/harvesting_from_a_troll
[09:09:11] <oxygene> e^ipi: and eventually people will miss that experience on opensolaris. what then?
[09:09:35] <e^ipi> oxygene: they could start yanking non-hotswap hardware
[09:09:59] <oxygene> e^ipi: right. should be part of a linux migration guide
[09:10:02] <freetown> or pour water on the motherboards
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[09:12:24] <swankier> I have over 280 million interface errors on an rge interface, I have dohwcksum set to zero.  What can I do?
[09:12:59] <freetown> say bye bye Realtek?
[09:13:13] <mui> thats to be expected with realtek
[09:13:49] <freetown> whatcha got there? r8160?
[09:14:12] <e^ipi> rge is pretty ghetto but i haven't really had problems with it
[09:14:31] <e^ipi> ( I think I paid $10 for my rge card )
[09:14:45] <swankier> this is an onboard nic
[09:15:14] <freetown> swankier: yes...10/100/1000 nic right? I wonder if you have rev 2.0 instead rev 1.0
[09:16:08] <swankier> it's a 10/100/1000
[09:16:18] <oxygene> they fixed something like that with freebsd/dragonflybsd recently
[09:16:20] <swankier> I don't know how to find what chipset it is
[09:16:29] <swankier> how do I tell if I have rev 2.0 or rev 1.0?
[09:16:48] <freetown> oxygene: it is not just bsds...it is the same on linux distros
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[09:17:38] <oxygene> freetown: probably. relative to me, linux happens on the other side of the universe
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[09:19:09] <palowoda> swankier: /usr/X11/bin/scanpci -v   though it might not indicate the version of the chipset at least you should get the chipset.
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[09:20:05] <palowoda> The revison number might be an indicator to the rev.
[09:20:11] <swankier> RTL8111/8168B
[09:20:27] <swankier> REVISION 0x02
[09:21:29] <freetown> I get REVISION 0x01 for mine...no problemo
[09:22:04] <palowoda> Mine have been the RTL8169 rev10 which seem to work just fine.
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[09:23:03] <swankier> well, what options do I have to resolve things?
[09:23:07] <swankier> use an earlier release?
[09:23:10] <swankier> use a later release?
[09:23:16] <freetown> file a bug report maybe?
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[09:23:46] <freetown> swankier: running Indy?
[09:23:55] <swankier> erm... indy?
[09:24:00] <freetown> indiana
[09:24:09] <freetown> 200805
[09:24:19] <e^ipi> he likes to shorten it like that because it drives me up the wall.
[09:24:25] <freetown> :D
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[09:25:12] <swankier> if I run 2008.05, this is going to work?
[09:25:25] <palowoda> So is this just opensolaris that has all the errors?  Or did you try some other livecd (other OS) for the errors also?
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[09:25:39] <DTEIT> morning
[09:25:47] <swankier> I've only tried OpenSolaris to this point.
[09:25:51] <freetown> is there a xchat package for indiana available? pingin ain
[09:25:56] <freetown> ain't cutting it :D
[09:26:00] <swankier> I'm seeing the errors using netstat -i
[09:26:08] <palowoda> heck you could even have a bad cable.
[09:26:28] <twisti> freetown, It is.
[09:26:29] <palowoda> or some other network problem.
[09:26:40] <freetown> on blastwave?
[09:27:00] <twisti> No, it's SUNWxchat.
[09:27:06] <freetown> :O
[09:27:18] * freetown hurries to install xchat
[09:27:19] <twisti> It's rather new, I guess since snv_99.
[09:27:47] <freetown> doh
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[09:28:31] <freetown> oh well...it is about time i tried to image-update my indiana boxes
[09:28:47] <freetown> hang on...it is coming :)
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[09:30:44] <lkthomas> you start to hate NetApp
[09:30:58] <lkthomas> don't understand why NetApp sue Sun ZFS
[09:31:28] <e^ipi> because ZFS makes them obsolete
[09:31:31] <oxygene> lkthomas: business as usual
[09:31:38] <e^ipi> and it's easier than competing
[09:31:40] <freetown> why does anybody in the US sue somebody else?
[09:31:49] <lkthomas> ZFS is a great product
[09:31:55] <lkthomas> I just love Sun :P
[09:32:15] <freetown> i hope you don't love their sales chums too
[09:32:20] <lkthomas> does NetApp OS based on SunOS or freebsd ?
[09:32:22] <e^ipi> freetown: a number of reasons, some cultural, some systemic
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[09:32:45] <freetown> e^ipi: cor...that is a lot more than what i have on my list...i have just one reason
[09:33:29] <e^ipi> then you probably aren't being honest
[09:34:31] <freetown> e^ipi: :D. The media certainly only seem to imply there is only one reason behind many of the news they report
[09:34:58] <freetown> why is the US in Iraq...blah blah blah...money
[09:35:03] <e^ipi> you're replying that the media is honest and logically thourough?
[09:35:16] <freetown> why did so and so collapse....money
[09:35:33] <e^ipi> that's just sloppy thinking...
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[09:35:51] <freetown> or maybe i should replace money with greed
[09:36:13] <e^ipi> that doesn't make it any less sloppy reductionist thinking
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[09:36:49] <freetown> anyway, back to opensolaris :P
[09:37:06] * freetown 's buttocks still hurt
[09:38:48] <freetown> aw...looks like i will have to image-update after all before i can get xchat on indy
[09:40:34] <freetown> ah, the end of the day. bye all
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[09:50:56] <swankier> what's the proper way to see if ip:dohwcksum is set to zero?
[09:50:58] <swankier> do I use mdb?
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[09:57:17] <swankier> also, how do I clear netstat -i statistics?
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[10:41:06] <jklyekai>  e^ipi : does it like sunwcakr_5.11_85.tar.gz or sunwckr_5.11_85.tar.gz?   opensolaris.org web site ?  can you tell me a accurate link?
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[10:41:44] <SeJo> export COLUMNS=180 does not work?
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[10:44:33] <jklyekai> ?
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[10:53:02] <SeJo> if i launch in.tftpd will it listen on all ip's
[10:53:17] <SeJo> or can i fix it on one ip (configured in /etc/inetd.conf)
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[10:56:02] <palowoda> jklyekai: Where did you get the idea you can get the source in a tar file for one type of Solaris package?
[10:57:40] <CosmicDJ> SeJo: IIRC you can limit tftpd with tcp wrappers
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[11:00:05] <jklyekai>  I find source package sunwcakr_5.11.70-2.tar.gz in the nexenta.org web. I don't know how it generate. I want to rebuild it or some other package to a binary package.
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[11:00:45] <palowoda> Well that is your problem nexenta.org is not opensolaris.
[11:01:07] <palowoda> Try: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/onnv/
[11:01:12] <Tempt> You're still here?
[11:01:18] <_mary_kate_> nexenta isn't opensolaris?  what is it then?
[11:01:34] <palowoda> nexenta
[11:01:35] <bda> A bunny!
[11:01:41] <CosmicDJ> opensolaris kernel + gnu (ubuntu) userland?
[11:02:01] <Tempt> A bronze-plated turkey.
[11:02:14] <palowoda> You think nevada/indiana build like nexenta.
[11:02:22] <codestr0m> nexenta is 100% not opensolaris.. I consider it more like alpha ubuntu + zfs
[11:02:42] <maxote> what about belenix? is it opensolaris?
[11:02:53] <codestr0m> maxote: opensolaris derived from belenix :P
[11:03:10] <palowoda> nevada/indiana are now all Mecurial.
[11:03:33] <palowoda> except the closed bins.
[11:03:40] <codestr0m> maxote: different package managers.. goals which currently aren't in total conflict make it a lot easier to compare
[11:04:06] <CosmicDJ> well if you ask sun, there just one opensolaris, 2008.05...
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[11:06:06] <palowoda> CosmicDJ: Kind of boring asking Sun something.
[11:07:26] <CosmicDJ> palowoda: you want smth boring -> read http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Trademark_usage_and_Branding_guideline
[11:07:51] <CosmicDJ> "duplicate the official OpenSolaris ISO image/CD/DVD" you can call it OpenSolaris
[11:08:10] <palowoda> I've read it now somebody go do something impressive with the Trademark.
[11:09:04] <maxote> is OpenSolaris trademarked? [ ] Yes  [ ] No.
[11:09:11] <palowoda> Duh
[11:09:30] <maxote> is Solaris trademarked? [ ] Yes  [ ] No.
[11:09:48] <CosmicDJ> [X] Maybe :-p
[11:11:05] <maxote> is Open trademarked? [ ] Yes  [ ] No.
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[11:12:19] <CosmicDJ> yes, it was trademarked by Close, Inc.
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[11:18:43] <CosmicDJ> btw, could it be that this belenix guy is coding faster than the whole bunch of IPS programmers? I read about his thoughts about creating a own pkg thing for belenix and now he has a pkg.belenix.org server online...
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[11:20:47] <palowoda> Maybe the belenix guy should go work for Sun.
[11:20:53] <bda> baha
[11:21:13] <bda> He isn't writing his own. He's using rPath's Conary.
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[11:23:12] <palowoda> Not that packaging is going to help compile the source any easier which started this.
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[11:23:38] <CosmicDJ> well solaris was never a "compile from source" OS
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[11:24:05] <palowoda> Whatever
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[11:25:09] <CosmicDJ> if you want that, you're better off using *BSD
[11:25:12] <CosmicDJ> IMHO
[11:25:24] <oxygene> solaris always was a compile from source OS for the opensource stuff
[11:27:32] <CosmicDJ> before blastwave showed up? ;)
[11:27:43] <palowoda> Boring
[11:28:54] <oxygene> even with blastwave.. outdated stuff, small packages that brought in half their package database thanks to dependencies, etc...
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[11:33:46] <CosmicDJ> solaris also isn't the OS of choice for version junkies...
[11:34:09] <oxygene> indiana seems to be keen to change that
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[11:43:44] <CosmicDJ> oxygene: well most linux users *are* version junkies :)
[11:43:58] <oxygene> well, yes
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[11:44:48] <jmcp> muttermutter gentoo-laris
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[11:45:53] <Auralis> Solaris from scratch? :)
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[11:46:41] <tomww> w/ emerge and that stuff :-)
[11:48:09] <tomww> CosmicDJ: which comes colse to satisfy version junkies is e.g. spec-files-extra (but there are lazy ones, they re-use spec-files from other version junkies)
[11:48:13] <tomww> *close
[11:51:43] <SYS64738> was -k the right kernel option (in grub) to debug system hang ?
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[11:52:54] <digifor> I am getting the following error when compiling zyd "gmake: *** [zyd] Error 1"
[11:53:27] <digifor> http://tinyurl.com/5b8xky for more info
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[11:54:10] <oxygene> that error is meaningless. not even useful to post here
[11:54:18] <jmcp> SYS64738: yes
[11:54:38] <SYS64738> I hate when It hangs before the hostname line
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[11:56:05] <SYS64738> jmcp, with xvm I must add the -k to the kernel line or module line ?
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[11:56:33] <SYS64738> cause -B $ZFS-BOOTFS is in the module line
[11:56:54] <jmcp> put it on the module line along with -B $ZFS-BOOTFS
[11:57:05] <SYS64738> thanks again
[11:57:29] <Stric> digifor: also, you forgot to send the url to the actual error message
[11:59:08] <digifor> Thanks Stric
[11:59:10] <CIA-57> Jon Anderson <Jonathan.Anderson at Sun dot COM>: 6604195 Bad trap panic in tcp_multisend() in Packet Filtering Hooks API
[11:59:10] <CIA-57> bo zhou - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Bo.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: 6688597 label EFI to virtual disk failed on pv domU
[11:59:12] <digifor> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1234539
[12:00:02] <Stric> digifor: do the ld line, but add -64
[12:01:41] <digifor> LD= ld -64?  Stric
[12:02:26] <Stric> yes
[12:02:28] <jmcp> LD=/usr/bin/LD LDFLAGS="-64"
[12:03:38] <digifor> jmcp, and Stric thanks both
[12:12:13] <digifor> /bin/sh: line 1: /usr/bin/LD: not found Error 127?
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[12:13:02] <CosmicDJ> hint: solaris is case sensitive...
[12:13:08] <jmcp> digifor: sorry, typo on my part
[12:13:12] <jmcp> LD=/usr/bin/ld
[12:13:18] <jmcp> too eager with the shift key
[12:13:38] <dustman> hi
[12:13:53] <digifor> jmcp, no worries. Thanks
[12:14:30] <dustman> theoretically resilvering of HD should make identical copy of original, right?
[12:14:55] <dustman> why it wouldn't include a copy of boot sector?
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[12:17:06] <jmcp> dustman: does the filesystem on your disk include the boot sector, or not
[12:17:51] <digifor> Got to go. Thanks Laptop batter is nearly dead.  TTFN
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[12:18:33] <dustman> jmcp: well, it was on second hd originally which wasn't recognized by bios
[12:18:57] <dustman> I would boot it using redirection from linux grub on first hd
[12:19:09] <jmcp> dustman: iirc, it's not usual for filesystems to include a boot sector
[12:19:43] <dustman> after resilvering grub would not react at all
[12:20:04] <dustman> so booting would stop with 'GRUB' prompt
[12:20:06] <jmcp> "resilvering" is almost *always* a filesystem thing
[12:20:14] <jmcp> boot sectors are not part of your filesystem
[12:21:26] <dustman> well, installing osol on first disk and upgrading it to latest version picked original zpool
[12:21:34] <dustman> so no data were lost
[12:23:35] <oxygene> dustman: resilvering is on the file system object level. the disk layout might be totally different as far as I know
[12:23:48] <oxygene> dustman: and the boot sector just is no file system object
[12:26:05] <dustman> damn operation destroyed it on first disk anyway..
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[12:29:03] <ciapsadm> Hi
[12:30:17] <dustman> jmcp and oxygene: thank you for explanation
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[12:36:58] <axlrose> hi
[12:37:15] <axlrose> i don't know my system doesn't start
[12:37:25] <axlrose> why*
[12:37:36] <ciapsadm> Pictures of OpenSolaris find where?
[12:38:00] <axlrose> it gives me see that http://www.sun.com/msg/SMF-8000-5H and http://www.sun.com/msg/SMF-8000-KS
[12:38:19] <axlrose> but those url can helps me or no
[12:38:27] <Stric> ciapsadm: pictures of what part of OS?
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[12:39:30] <axlrose> does  the prolem come from "svc" cause i didn't change anything
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[12:39:34] <axlrose> problem
[12:39:49] <ciapsadm_> oin #freebsd
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[12:43:00] <ciapsadm_> What the different Linux Unix?
[12:44:36] <oxygene> ciapsadm_: linux is popular, unix is well designed
[12:44:42] <oxygene> unfortunately, the line is blurring
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[12:45:39] <CosmicDJ> Linux is a Unix clone, Unix is not ;)
[12:46:43] <maxote> Linux is the crap version of Unix
[12:46:48] <ciapsadm_> Ok
[12:47:03] <axlrose> maxote: hmmm
[12:48:03] <axlrose> maxote: but with linux i didn't have the problem that i have now
[12:48:13] <ciapsadm_> How do I use Unix?
[12:48:34] <axlrose> ciapsadm_: opensolaris or freebsd
[12:48:45] <maxote> or netbsd
[12:49:02] <_mary_kate_> or MacOS X, which is Unix(tm) branded
[12:49:08] <xRaich[o]2x> or dragonflybsd
[12:49:08] <maxote> or dragonflybsd
[12:49:18] <maxote> or minix
[12:49:21] <maxote> or plan9
[12:49:26] <oxygene> minix? hardly
[12:49:37] <axlrose> or mandrake root
[12:49:40] <oxygene> and plan9 is unix from outer space - so advanced that most unix users probably wouldn't understand it
[12:49:41] <axlrose> heheh
[12:49:51] <ciapsadm_> How to install all that Linux?
[12:50:09] <axlrose> i turn off my machine after after tren iy on i have problem really strange
[12:50:14] <maxote> plan9 is very weird
[12:50:32] <maxote> inferno
[12:51:01] <axlrose> ciapsadm_: install what ??
[12:51:13] <ciapsadm_> Install Unix
[12:51:47] <axlrose> ciapsadm_: install opensolaris or freebsd
[12:51:51] <xRaich[o]2x> 1) choose a version of unix
[12:51:57] <ciapsadm_> Yes,
[12:51:57] <xRaich[o]2x> 2) read the manual
[12:52:06] <ciapsadm_> Ok
[12:52:35] <axlrose> ciapsadm_: better install opensolaris , cause freebsd maybe cant know you mouse in the 1st time or Soundcard or maybe ethernet card
[12:52:57] <axlrose> ciapsadm_: or better try to see list of hardware recomended by it
[12:53:37] <axlrose> maxote: it's possible those problem http://www.sun.com/msg/SMF-8000-KS and http://www.sun.com/msg/SMF-8000-5H
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[12:55:09] <CosmicDJ> axlrose: pastebin the exact error somewhere + # svcs -xv
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[12:55:45] <maxote> who invented the daemons?
[12:56:10] <axlrose> CosmicDJ: i can't cause i can't run my opensolaris ut gives me that error
[12:57:09] <axlrose> CosmicDJ: when i run it in mode console it give me long list , and gives me 2 error , and to see those url
[12:57:18] <axlrose> really don't know what happen
[12:57:55] <CosmicDJ> axlrose: did you disable enable services with svcadm disable ?
[12:58:04] <CosmicDJ> s/enable//
[12:58:11] <CosmicDJ> s/enable/any/
[12:58:23] <axlrose> CosmicDJ: yes i enable apache22
[12:59:01] <axlrose> svcadm enable apache22 in mode root
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[13:01:10] <CosmicDJ> axlrose: I still don't see any signal in your noise...
[13:02:16] <axlrose> CosmicDJ: wait i'll reboot to opensolaris and write all what i have
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[13:08:52] <mui> hm
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[13:08:59] <mui> wonder if solaris can do math emulation by default
[13:09:28] <seanmcg>  math emulation ?
[13:09:38] <mui> yes :P
[13:09:38] <_mary_kate_> fpu emulation - and i'm pretty sure it can't
[13:09:46] <mui> i see :/
[13:10:08] <seanmcg> didn't that go away..  what box doesn't have a fpu these days ?
[13:11:16] <mui> I was just wondering, I have this extreme 386SX with very limited amount of ram, where I used to hack netbsd and other OSses to boot
[13:11:42] <mui> eventually I streamed music over ipv6 thru nfs mount with it
[13:12:06] <seanmcg> a 386SX ?  how old is that box ?-)
[13:12:09] <mui> very old.
[13:12:16] <_mary_kate_> you wouldn't have enough memory for the boot archive
[13:12:47] <oxygene> indeed
[13:13:01] <mui> :/
[13:13:14] <oxygene> 386sx - wasn't that limited to 24bits of physical memory? (with 32bit logical address space, mind you)
[13:13:18] <mui> I had to rip off netbsd kernel to get it booting with 2,8MB of ram :P
[13:13:26] <mui> and rip init so it kicked swap on right away
[13:13:35] <CosmicDJ> _mary_kate_: no fpu emu? are you sure? IIRC solaris does on sparc
[13:13:51] <_mary_kate_> CosmicDJ: full emulation?  i thought it only had support for a few instructions missing on certain cpus
[13:13:59] <_mary_kate_> (which sparcs don't have FPUs?)
[13:14:01] <oxygene> CosmicDJ: only for sparcv8 - solaris 10+ on v8 is dead
[13:15:03] <CosmicDJ> _mary_kate_: no not full
[13:16:01] <CosmicDJ> _mary_kate_: t1's were quite limited wrt fp AFAIK
[13:16:16] <_mary_kate_> i think that's only because they had a single fpu for all cores
[13:16:21] <_mary_kate_> so it was contended and slow
[13:16:46] <CosmicDJ> kstat -s fpu_unfinished_traps
[13:17:12] <_mary_kate_> unfortunately i don't have a spare T1 lying around ;)
[13:18:56] <CosmicDJ> "Not all floating-point operations are performed in hardware; some have been left to software." -> http://www.sun.com/books/documents/solaris_app_programming_ch04.pdf
[13:19:41] <CosmicDJ> I have those kstat even on an 480R...
[13:19:57] <CosmicDJ> so this emulation is not limited to the t1
[13:20:27] <Stric> partial emulation, not full fpu emulation
[13:20:57] <CosmicDJ> mui didn't say "full emulation" :p
[13:22:20] <mui> :p
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[13:26:10] <CosmicDJ> anyway; you were all right; there is no math fp emu in solaris (IIRC even the sun386i had an FPU processor)
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[13:26:46] <Stric> and you won't be able to run (open)solaris on a 386sx with like 4MB of ram
[13:28:11] <CosmicDJ> 2 slows (slowlaris, slow cpu) don't make one fast ;)
[13:28:12] <digifor> The configuration defaults for GNOME Power Manager have not been installed correctly. ??
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[13:28:38] <digifor> On snv_99 after restarting.
[13:28:53] <digifor> How do I get gnome back?
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[13:36:13] <digifor> would restarting gnome-power-manager work? If yes how do I do that?
[13:42:33] <thebentzone> digifor: did you get a successful link with the zyd driver?
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[13:46:13] <digifor> thebentzone, I just came home turned the computer on and I get the gnome power manager message.
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[13:46:38] <digifor> I'll let you know when I get back into gnome :)
[13:46:44] <freetown> hi, is there a smf manifest file for sunds?
[13:47:33] <_mary_kate_> freetown: the manual explains how to add an SMF manifest for each instance
[13:48:11] <digifor> in the failsafe terminal is there a way for me to open more than one terminal?
[13:48:39] <seanmcg> digifor, start twm & and then xterm
[13:48:55] <thebentzone> +1
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[13:51:05] <digifor> I seem to be getting some twm warning font for charset KSC* is missing
[13:51:22] <freetown> btw, i just did a image-update from indiana 86 to whatever it goes up to...what new zfs features require a newer zfs format?
[13:52:52] <houst0n-> freetown: type zpool upgrade -v
[13:53:14] <houst0n-> It'll give you a basic idea of what has changed
[13:53:19] <houst0n-> and a link =)
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[13:55:06] <geronimos> CosmicDJ: nw it's good i'm in opensolaris i fixed the problrm thank you
[13:56:54] <geronimos> i want only know ther's a nxclient for opensolaris
[13:57:00] <geronimos> cause i see only sparc
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[14:13:34] <Dakylla> hi there
[14:13:55] <Dakylla> im about to create a sas/nas solution based on zfs and solaris
[14:14:21] <Dakylla> and i've some questions :)
[14:14:51] <Dakylla> is solaris compatible with those cards : Sonnet Tempo "SATA E4P PCIe" or the  "X4P PCI-X" ?
[14:15:13] <CosmicDJ> checked the HCL on bigadmin?
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[14:21:15] <freetown> Dakylla, E4P is supported as it uses the sil3124 chip
[14:21:29] <Dakylla> that's cool
[14:21:34] <Dakylla> freetown: thax
[14:21:45] <Dakylla> thx
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[14:22:10] <Dakylla> i was planning using this : http://www.abix.fr/prod/73/735200_1.jpg, or this http://www.macway.com/images/products/DDEKIT0480D_6_zoom.jpg
[14:22:38] <Dakylla> so having 3 disks plus 1 spare, is that solution safe enough ?
[14:23:39] <freetown> ah...no guarantees on port multiplier support with the sil3124 driver
[14:24:03] <freetown> last i heard...only the marvell driver had port multiplier support
[14:24:34] <Dakylla> ok, i don't have any card now so i'll just have to buy a supported one
[14:25:02] <Dakylla> but those cards only work on pci-X or pci-e right ?
[14:25:14] <freetown> which reminds me...anybody have news on port multiplier support?
[14:25:15] <th> the marvel works in pci
[14:25:20] <Dakylla> cause the server is a v20z
[14:25:24] <Dakylla> cool :)
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[14:25:36] <Dakylla> th: thX ;)
[14:25:45] <th> and the areca ARC-1260 works in pcie
[14:25:54] <th> just have the 16port version online here
[14:26:32] <freetown> we don't want no bbu cache + hardware raid chip card
[14:26:40] <th> but it seems i cant read the serial numbers of the disks through the driver
[14:27:05] <freetown> get an adaptec 2405 then :P
[14:27:12] <freetown> maybe that will do it
[14:27:17] <th> the marvel does it right
[14:27:25] <th> cfgadm shows s/n
[14:27:31] <th> it does not on areca
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[14:27:43] <freetown> probably an areca driver issue
[14:27:59] <th> although the areca shows the s/n's on it's httpd
[14:28:12] <th> i did not even install any driver anything
[14:28:16] <freetown> heh
[14:28:26] <th> just out of the box snv99
[14:28:46] <th> where can i see which driver(version) is providing the devices?
[14:28:49] <freetown> i see...so areca drivers are bundle just like the nvidia graphics driver is bundled
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[14:29:40] <th> neither does the driver provide data for the "condition" column in cfgadm output
[14:29:54] <th> (which is what the marvel driver does
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[14:30:25] <suprlady> hi
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[14:31:48] <suprlady> i am sorry for dumb question, but i have no capacity left to explore what is once explored.. why this `echo $PATH | sed 's/:/\n/g'` is not working for me as expected :/ ..
[14:31:52] <freetown> th, modinfo i think
[14:32:19] <digifor> How do I restore the gnome-power-manager defaults
[14:32:27] <digifor> ?
[14:32:38] <suprlady> how sed manages with escaped sequence such a '\n' :/
[14:32:41] <th> suprlady: echo $PATH | tr ':' '\n'     might be cooler
[14:33:01] <th> "right tool for the job"
[14:33:03] <suprlady> th: thanks .. but in sed?
[14:33:35] <suprlady> th: i am now rewriting my scripts and there is sed used in many cases
[14:33:39] <th> suprlady: this works for me as well   echo $PATH | sed 's/:/\n/g'
[14:34:04] <suprlady> th: i've got solaris .. not opensolaris
[14:34:22] <th> suprlady: GNU sed version 4.1.5
[14:34:26] <th> suprlady: that's what i used
[14:34:30] <suprlady> in solaris it returns :: /usr/sbinn/usr/binn/opt/sfw/binn/opt/sfw/sbinn/usr/sfw/binn/usr/sfw/sbin
[14:34:38] <suprlady> th: damn :D
[14:34:53] <th> suprlady: i can confirm this for non-gnu sed
[14:35:06] <th> suprlady: use non-gnu tr then...
[14:35:51] <freetown> th, where did you get gnu sed from?
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[14:36:11] <th> freetown: i just added /usr/gnu/bin to my path
[14:36:24] <suprlady> th: uh .. it is annoying
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[14:36:54] * freetown stares at contents of /usr/gnu/bin.
[14:36:58] <erudified> Where can I find downloadable copies of SUNWgcc and SUNWflexlex ?
[14:37:02] <freetown> nope...no gsed or sed there
[14:38:50] <erudified> anyone? can I get a .tgz of SUNWgcc and SUNWflexlex from some site? or any kind of archive?
[14:39:00] <freetown> erudified, what are you running?
[14:39:13] <erudified> b99
[14:39:14] <Berny> erudified, sunfreeware.com might have it
[14:39:20] <Dakylla> do you know if there is a way to sync 2 server with zfs ?
[14:39:39] <freetown> zfs send/receive
[14:39:51] <Dakylla> i mean to have the dataset (if this is the right word) synced
[14:40:13] <freetown> erudified, i don't about sxce but with indiana i just do 'pkg install SUNWgcc'
[14:40:24] <erudified> yeah I'm not connected to the internet in solaris
[14:41:00] <erudified> I need to get SUNWgcc and SUNflexlex and stick them on a flash drive and install them along with ndis-1.2 to get ethernet working (yes, even wired ethernet)
[14:41:24] <erudified> SUNWonbld comes in a .tar.gz and I can use pkg_add -d . SUNWonbld and all is well
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[14:42:34] <Dakylla> freetown: the fs are on two diff physical servers
[14:42:58] <SunTzuTech> erudified: depending on the driver, you may be able to find ones precompiled like murayama's
[14:42:59] <th> Dakylla: still - zfs send/receive
[14:43:14] <freetown> blast...i am getting 'ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host' from one of my indiana boxes...
[14:43:22] <freetown> Dakylla, I know.
[14:43:23] <th> Dakylla: like zfs send ... | ssh other_server zfs receive ...
[14:43:48] <freetown> Dakylla, works for snapshots too.
[14:43:48] <Dakylla> wow, man this FS a killer solution !!!
[14:44:04] <Dakylla> where does it come from ? the hyperspace ?
[14:44:05] <Dakylla> lol
[14:44:05] <freetown> Dakylla, not yet. You cannot extend a raidz just yet
[14:44:10] <holcomb> if you want to get fancy you can use avs
[14:44:27] <freetown> holcomb, what is avs?
[14:44:32] <Dakylla> freetown: is not for extending, it's for backup :)
[14:44:45] <kim0> what's "lspci" for opensolaris :)
[14:44:48] <holcomb> let me find it...
[14:44:52] <holcomb> kim0: prtconf
[14:44:56] <freetown> Dakylla, ha! That was the first thing i installed opensolaris for.
[14:44:58] <holcomb> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/avs/
[14:45:00] <_mary_kate_> /usr/X11/bin/scanpci
[14:45:02] <th> freetown: just fyi - it's arcmsr0:1.20.00.15Sun
[14:45:11] <kim0> holcomb: but that's not only PCI bus ?
[14:45:18] <kim0> _mary_kate_: ah ! thanks
[14:46:08] <th> kim0: scanpci
[14:46:09] <digifor> What would cause the configuration defaults for gnome power manager to get so borked.
[14:46:26] <SunTzuTech> did you just live upgrade?
[14:47:04] <freetown> cor...avs looks like something i might want to wrap my head with
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[14:47:31] <Dakylla> freetown:lol
[14:47:37] <th> freetown: vendor has version 1.20.00.16
[14:47:56] <freetown> th, ???
[14:48:07] <freetown> th, that went way over my head
[14:48:11] <digifor> I just turned the computer on. It has worked fine all day. no upgrades. snv 99
[14:48:33] <CosmicDJ> sadly, there is no gsed on solaris10
[14:48:54] <CosmicDJ> huh I'm a little bit late with that, right...
[14:48:59] <th> freetown: sorry - context was the areca driver bundled with b99 (which is 1.20.00.15Sun) and areca has 1.20.00.16 on their website
[14:49:03] <CosmicDJ> nevermind
[14:49:10] <holcomb> why do you need gsed?
[14:49:26] <freetown> th, oh. maybe they need a RFE then for their driver
[14:49:38] <cypromis> SFEsed.spec is your friend
[14:49:42] <freetown> holcomb, ask suprlady
[14:50:06] <holcomb> if it's for --in-place there's a workaround
[14:50:13] <cypromis> http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/
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[14:50:40] <freetown> alas...i was told you cannot build ips packages
[14:50:54] <freetown> not directly that is
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[14:50:55] <th> holcomb: it's not - it's for s/:/\n/
[14:51:01] <cypromis> freetown: use http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/
[14:51:05] <cypromis> to build SFEsed.spec
[14:51:09] <cypromis> which builds gnused
[14:51:12] <cypromis> and your fine
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[14:51:30] <freetown> cypromis, and i get a nice ips package?
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[14:51:37] <holcomb> word.
[14:51:38] <cypromis> no
[14:51:44] <cypromis> you get a nice sysV package
[14:51:55] <_mary_kate_> you'll get an ips package if you use the ips pkgbuild
[14:51:56] <freetown> that needs converting over to ips.
[14:52:05] <cypromis> no
[14:52:12] <cypromis> not as long as pkgadd still exists
[14:52:41] <freetown> ips pkgbuild eh? Looks like e^ipi has been pulling my leg?
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[14:55:00] <freetown> _mary_kate_, experimental status...i'm not that keen on the bleeding edge
[14:55:12] <_mary_kate_> freetown: then why are you using ips?
[14:56:38] <freetown> _mary_kate_, i was kinda of the opinion that sun would not put out something that they would support that was seriously broken
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[15:01:00] <geronimos> please if i want configure my printer i must type svcs enable cups and after 127.0.0.1:631 ??
[15:02:00] <freetown> geronimos, i just hit printer manager...
[15:04:34] <geronimos> freetown: but i think i need to add my user to print group , cause i see my printer now
[15:04:45] <geronimos> but can't print
[15:05:00] <DTEIT> is it possible to use libmcrypt for php with coolstack?
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[15:23:36] <tomww> DTEIT: if the php-part supports mbcrypt.... I build my own php with mhash+mcrypt to run the horde framework (around a year and half ago).
[15:23:44] <tomww> *mcrypt
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[15:26:04] <geronimos> why the printer does the test page everytime i want print something
[15:28:00] <_mary_kate_> geronimos: test page, or banner page?
[15:28:31] <geronimos> _mary_kate_: banner , but i desable that thank you
[15:28:48] <DTEIT> tomww: lhe unique thing i can find is that someone suggest to use libmcrypt from blastwave
[15:29:36] <geronimos> _mary_kate_: opensolaris doen have nxlint
[15:29:43] <geronimos> doesn't
[15:29:59] <codestr0m> I've somehow built a libreadline.. how do I fix this?
[15:30:00] <codestr0m> libreadline.so | grep UNDEF... [678]	|                   0|                   0|NOTY |GLOB |0    |UNDEF  |.CG68.2302
[15:30:10] <_mary_kate_> geronimos: i don't know what 'nxlint' is.  you can disable the banner page by running lpadmin -p <printer> -o nobanner
[15:30:42] <geronimos> _mary_kate_: i mean nxclient
[15:30:50] <_mary_kate_> i don't know what that is either
[15:31:55] <geronimos> _mary_kate_: do you know freenx
[15:31:58] <geronimos>  ??
[15:31:59] <_mary_kate_> no
[15:32:19] <geronimos> _mary_kate_: ok thank you and sorry maria
[15:32:34] <CosmicDJ> mmhh maria...
[15:32:37] <holcomb> does ashley know anything?
[15:32:41] <holcomb> (sorry, had to)
[15:33:41] <geronimos> CosmicDJ: cause mary = maria
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[15:34:43] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: there's no asm bits in readline.. how did a TEXTREL get in there?
[15:37:40] <geronimos> codestr0m: do you use opensolaris 2008.05 ?
[15:38:15] <codestr0m> geronimos: yes, but I'm doing things in a chroot..
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[15:38:57] <geronimos> codestr0m: you didn't update it yet ?
[15:39:20] <codestr0m> geronimos: are you asking me about updates or about my question?
[15:39:24] <freetown> geronimos, have you updated your indy?
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[15:42:49] <geronimos> codestr0m: about my question
[15:44:00] <codestr0m> geronimos: honestly.. ymmv.. when it comes to updating indy.. I error on the side of extreme caution and have a test environment before I do anything on stuff I care about
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[15:46:18] <geronimos> codestr0m: but i ask if you Update OpenSolaris 2008.05 to Build 91 or higher
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[15:46:38] * freetown raises hand. Up to build 99
[15:46:57] <codestr0m> geronimos: I have my normaly laptop at snv_96 and another with minimal testing at 99
[15:47:53] <geronimos> geronimos: good but me i'll wait final testing and i'll update it
[15:48:15] <geronimos> i'm new with the opensolaris it's pretty good
[15:49:04] <freetown> lucky you. I have no choice but to upgrade to get a version of samba that has blooming Vista SP1 support
[15:49:05] <th> i get the same fmd event (all repaired: http://sun.com/msg/FMD-8000-4M) on every boot. do i need to acknowledge this?
[15:49:27] <th> and it is always the same event about a repaired zfs from 3 days ago
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[16:01:02] <geronimos> when i run  prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c5d0s0  i have that error  Unable to read Disk geometry errno = 0x5
[16:01:14] <geronimos> i want know where's win partition
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[16:32:29] <kim0> geronimos: I wouldn't know ... but look at fdisk command as well
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[16:57:24] <geronimos> this command fdisk  /dev/rdsk/c5d0p0 gives me like that http://pastebin.com/m4beb4d16    , i can't mount it like that mount -f pcfs /dev/rdsk/c5d0p0 /mnt/win_c/
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[16:57:45] <geronimos> please how can i mounr the 1st partition ntfs
[16:57:50] <geronimos> mount
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[16:58:31] <_mary_kate_> it's -Fpcfs, not -f, and pcfs is FAT, not NTFS
[16:58:43] <_mary_kate_> solaris doesn't include NTFS support, although i think there's a third-party package somewhere
[16:59:07] <houst0n-> geronimos: Try http://opensolaris.org/os/project/fuse/
[16:59:09] <CIA-57> Robert Harris <Robert.Harris at Sun dot COM>: 6729368 Panic from three-way cycle involving zonehash_lock, pidlock and p_lock
[16:59:49] <geronimos> houst0n-: thank you and _mary_kate_ too
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[17:07:12] <oninoshiko> ok! what is wrong with the following command "iscsitadm create target -b /dev/zvol/rdsk/iscsi/hosts/host-0307/data-0 -u 1 2" the zvol exists. The iqn that im adding the LUN to exsists.
[17:07:47] <oninoshiko> i keep getting "Error: Syntax error: Missing iscsi name"
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[17:10:29] <Dakylla_is_out> guys i've got a stupid question, but...
[17:10:45] <turtle> sweet cause i've got a stupid answer!
[17:10:59] <Dakylla_is_out> can my linuxes boxes handle iscsi exported by my zfs enable sas please ?
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[17:11:53] <gothos> they should be able to handle the iscsi, but not the zfs (version)
[17:12:04] <oninoshiko> iscsi is iscsi, if you have the proper software linux supports it.
[17:12:34] <Dakylla> but does linux has to know about the underlying FS ?
[17:12:35] <oninoshiko> linux will format the block device iscsi provides as ext3 or some such sillyness
[17:13:00] <Dakylla> ok, and that should be ok for the nas server does it ?
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[17:14:12] <oninoshiko> your linux boxes will understand it. any other system likely wont, includeing the solaris server that is hosting it, but the host doesnt have to understand it to host it
[17:14:17] <gothos> it depends, it'll be problematic if moree than 1 system has access to the iscsi backed data
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[17:14:46] <oninoshiko> it just like apache doesnt have a clue what a jpg is, it just sends it out
[17:16:26] <Dakylla> man im in love with zfs :D
[17:16:27] <Dakylla> lol
[17:16:58] <Dakylla> there will be only one server accessing the iscsi data
[17:17:05] <oninoshiko> if you are useing iscsi for a system where more then one server has access to the data, you need to use a filesystem that accounts for that. Things like GFS, or VMWare's vmfs
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[17:19:07] <oninoshiko> (wow, ive been idle for a long time)
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[17:22:03] <geronimos> oninoshiko: are you from Japan
[17:22:04] <sletz> hi, i have a reloaction error with gcc 3.4.3 compiling 64 bits code:
[17:22:10] <sletz>  fatal: relocation error: R_AMD64_PC32:
[17:22:16] <sletz>  i tried to add -fpic and -fPIC but not effect
[17:22:22] <DTEIT> one question...if i always get errors trying to install some packages to a non-global zone
[17:22:24] <sletz>  is gcc 3.4.3 able to compile/link and produce 64 bits code?
[17:22:32] <DTEIT> it means i have to install it on a global zone?
[17:22:42] <smtms> sletz, I think you are trying to save us some crucial information
[17:24:16] <oninoshiko> geronimos: no.
[17:24:47] <geronimos> oninoshiko: your nick name same japenese nickname
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[17:25:41] <oninoshiko> oh yes, the name is japanese, but that doesnt mean im from japan
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[17:25:51] <oninoshiko> im not from england either
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[17:27:40] <geronimos> oninoshiko: Arigatou
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[17:27:56] <oninoshiko> your welcome ^_^
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[17:28:25] <geronimos> oninoshiko: itashi ma chi te
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[17:32:04] <oninoshiko> my japanese is VARY rusty (and that's being kind)
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[17:34:52] <sletz> smtms : like what??
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[17:36:12] <smtms> sletz, what are you trying to compile
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[17:37:42] <sletz> exe using a shared library
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[17:44:39] <sletz> smtms: and exe that used a shared library
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[18:48:30] <SimonAdameit> Hi
[18:49:15] <bubbva> hey :)
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[18:50:05] <SimonAdameit> bubbva: Thanks for the welcome :) How well does OpenSolaris support sound stuff, i.e would a midi keyboard work and also would the latency be acceptable?
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[18:50:52] <bubbva> I'm not sure, i haven't done much more than youtube :)
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[18:55:04] <bubbva> gotta run, sorry
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[19:07:26] <dburge> anyone know of a way to convert a UFS filesystem to multi-terabyte
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[19:15:09] <Doc> sure.  hint: it involves ufsdump | ufsrestore :)
[19:15:22] <CosmicDJ> sounds fun ;)
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[19:34:21] <oninoshiko> SimonAdameit: i dont know about MIDI, havnet tried that. I do know that it seems that atleast all the basic soundcard functions are there. (atleast in my experence)
[19:36:17] <SimonAdameit> oninoshiko: thanks, I'l go now
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[19:59:29] <CIA-57> Darren Reed <Darren.Reed at Sun dot COM>: 6745640 The IP netinfo provider should set the family of sockaddr's it returns, 6747137 zone shutdown finds free'd data in arp, 6746721 NIC events are scheduled with pfhooks after protocol shutdown, 6758618 a NULL shutdown function avoids destroy in stack closing, 6758619 race condition between zone shtudown and module unloading, 6761109 net_kstate_delete needs to be called from shutdown hook
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[19:59:33] <CIA-57> Hyon Kim <Hyon.Kim at Sun dot COM>: 6747982 mpathadm error msg is wrong for failover failure on devices with no standby TPG., 6716528 mpathadm show lu <logical unit name> appears to be not closing open files
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[20:21:19] <capiira_> hi, does opensolaris support root crypting with dmcrypt?
[20:22:00] <xRaich[o]2x> capiira_: wait for zfs-crypto
[20:22:43] <capiira_> how long, will i need to wait?
[20:22:54] <capiira_> 11.2008 ?
[20:23:26] <xRaich[o]2x> afaik it'll come with build 105
[20:23:45] <capiira_> oky thanks
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[20:26:14] <capiira_> phase 1: NO support for encrypted boot filesystem
[20:26:16] <capiira_> :/
[20:26:31] <e^ipi> why would you need to encrypt your boot FS?
[20:26:47] <e^ipi> i can already tell you what's on your boot volume... it's got solaris on it.
[20:27:05] <capiira_> hehe nah
[20:27:14] <codestr0m> to solve an argument.. if you're working on a laptop for a lot of hours out of the day. is it more comfortable to have the lights off or on around
[20:27:35] <e^ipi> personal preference
[20:27:39] <e^ipi> i prefer them on
[20:27:46] <e^ipi> less eyestrain
[20:28:51] <e^ipi> capiira_: putting $HOME on encrypted fs makes sense
[20:28:58] <e^ipi> but i dunno about the boot volume
[20:29:33] <capiira_> tmp var swap
[20:30:17] <e^ipi> that's not on the boot volume
[20:30:39] <e^ipi> necessarily
[20:30:55] <e^ipi> i think, actually i haven't tried
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[20:59:15] <CIA-57> Reza Sabdar <Reza.Sabdar at Sun dot COM>: 6760398 Moving NDMP to open source
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[21:03:45] <estibi_> xRaich[o]2x: where do you know from about zfs-crypto?
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[21:05:19] <xRaich[o]2x> estibi_: i read it somewhere on opensolaris.org but to be honest i don't remember where that was
[21:07:02] <turtle> do any of you know how to get the total snapshot usage for an entire pool? can i do this? say if i have 200 snapshots and i want to see how much total space in the pool is being used for snapshots?
[21:08:13] <estibi_> http://lists.macosforge.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2008-September/000853.html
[21:08:28] <myrkraverk> does solaris automount usb ufs filesystems?
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[21:09:33] <ryankriza1> What's the best way to uninstall/reinstall firefox?
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[21:09:58] <myrkraverk> it didn't seem to do so, for me, just now; and it doesn't always automount my thumb drive -- so I'm just curious
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[21:12:18] <ryankrizan> I've tried uninstalling Firefox via the package manager, however it's not allowing due to dependency issues. Is there a better way?
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[21:20:15] <codestr0m> anyone able to help debug/fix a textrel?
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[21:21:53] <CosmicDJ> what's a textrel?
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[21:24:20] <codestr0m> normally if there's some inline asm I can find it, but scanelf doesn't seem to work the same on solaris as linux because of not having gnu ld
[21:24:28] <xRaich[o]2x> estibi_: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/zfs-crypto/
[21:26:12] <oninoshiko> codestr0m: e^ipi is right, its a personal preferance. I prefer them off with directed task lighting... less glare
[21:27:11] <CosmicDJ> still no idea what a textrel is
[21:27:11] <codestr0m> oninoshiko: it's ok.. I solve the argument by showing a study that I was mostly right
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[21:32:12] * oninoshiko wonders where they find all the "average people" to be a part of those studies
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[21:46:04] <ivan> i like a small lamp bouncing light off the ceiling
[21:46:37] <codestr0m> "relocations remain against allocatable but non-writable sections"
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[21:50:03] <CosmicDJ> "To prevent the creation of a shared object that contains text relocations use the link-editor's -z text flag. This flag causes the link-editor to generate diagnostics indicating the source of any position-dependent code used as input."
[21:53:53] <CosmicDJ> btw isn't this a bit nonense? you allocate smth and then you can't write to it?
[21:55:29] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: http://blogs.sun.com/rie/entry/my_relocations_don_t_fit
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[21:55:58] <ryankriza1> Is there someplace with an xchat package?
[21:56:52] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: what's a trip is if I move the binary outside the chroot then the textrel doesn't exist..
[21:57:10] <sartek> ryankriza1: in build 99 it's,
[21:57:17] <CosmicDJ> ryankriza1: blastwaave
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[21:57:30] <ryankriza1> CosmicDJ: aah, thanks. I was trying to remember the name of that repo
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[21:58:09] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: you're still in a chroot when you can have a zone? ;)
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[21:58:25] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: I'm not sure it would make a difference in this case
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[21:58:56] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: I still have a "create a pkgsrc zone and try to compile stuff"-zone on my todo list...
[21:59:11] <CIA-57> Qiyan Sun - Sun Microsystems - San Diego United States <Qiyan.Sun at Sun dot COM>: 6758843 hxge needs to remove the hardware rtab parity error workaround for the final hardware, 6758845 hxge needs to remove the false rbr empty workaround for the new hardware
[21:59:33] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: so you're telling my that textrel voodoo only happens when your app is chroot'ed?
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[22:00:20] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: using nm I can check for UNDEF and very clearly.. chroot I can see the textrel at the top and just move or nm the same binary and it's not there outside the chroot
[22:01:16] <codestr0m> thanks for the article though.. I'll check this out.. normally you'll find them when someone has some inline asm, but not in straight C code
[22:03:08] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: just should definitely post about this on on tools: discuss or tools: linking
[22:03:39] <codestr0m> once I resolve it... I'll play with elfdump a bit
[22:04:04] <codestr0m> sun ar won't make the shared lib at all.. gnu ar will with the textrel..
[22:04:15] <codestr0m> I'm not sure which is worse
[22:04:26] <codestr0m> looking at what sun is doing.. they are cheating and just making the static lib
[22:04:45] <CosmicDJ> uhm, IIRC ar is only for static libs...
[22:04:49] <codestr0m> so my guess it pretty clear someone has hit this before
[22:05:12] <codestr0m> yes. you're right..
[22:05:26] <codestr0m> sorry. I'm crossing my thoughts as I type
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[22:08:38] <ryankriza1> CosmicDJ: Hrm, something up with blastwave (I think)
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[22:09:26] <ryankriza1> ERROR: xchat unrecognized
[22:09:27] <ryankriza1> Perhaps you need to run pkg-get -U
[22:09:27] <ryankriza1> ERROR: xchat unrecognized
[22:09:27] <ryankriza1> Perhaps you need to run pkg-get -U
[22:09:31] <ryankriza1> woops, sorry
[22:09:48] <ryankriza1> well anyhow, I've already done a pkg-get -U
[22:09:49] <ryankriza1> updated just fine.
[22:11:46] <bda> You should ask in #blastwave.
[22:11:48] <CosmicDJ> show us your pkg-get line
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[22:13:18] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: is it just me or this doesn't look right http://rafb.net/p/dZeIUY73.html
[22:13:40] <codestr0m> .SUNW_ca	     158	      20 (null)
[22:14:36] <geemoney83> cud someone help me with an SMTP server setup
[22:15:00] <Macabee> geemoney83: depends which smtp server software
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[22:15:52] <ryankriza1> ryan@pharaoh:~# /opt/csw/bin/pkg-get -i xchat
[22:15:57] <geemoney83> I have already installled an SMTP server on a windows 2003 server called goodtech SMTP server
[22:16:05] <ryankriza1> that's what I'm trying to execute, CosmicDJ
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[22:17:01] <CosmicDJ> ryankriza1: hm no idea, sry
[22:17:24] <ryankriza1> I was about to download the .pkg file
[22:17:32] <ryankriza1> pkg install file.pkg isn't it?
[22:17:33] <geemoney83> now it throws me an error could not connect to any of the MX domains
[22:18:51] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: hm I've never seen that before, can't tell you if it looks right or wrong...
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[22:19:23] <ryankriza1> I think I see why
[22:19:34] <codestr0m> LD_OPTIONS=-Dreloc,detail is my friend :)
[22:19:41] <CosmicDJ> geemoney83: you're having trouble with a smtp server on windows 2003 and asking for help on an opensolaris channel?
[22:20:32] <geemoney83> I need my solaris machines set to use the SMTP server for relay
[22:20:33] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: I usually just compile my stuff without looking under the linkers hood ;)
[22:20:53] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: I wish
[22:21:03] <CosmicDJ> geemoney83: solaris is shipped with sendmail, google for sendmail and you should find a ton of docs
[22:21:54] <Doc> or just create a host called "mailhost"
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[22:22:04] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: so readline is broken when you compile it with -m64?
[22:22:14] <Doc> because in Sun Sendmail (which is different to normal sendmail) "mailhost" is special
[22:22:18] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: no. readline is broken in my chroot
[22:22:22] <geemoney83> my boss wants a single SMTP server to realy all application related error messages
[22:22:25] <codestr0m> only in my chroot
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[22:22:43] <codestr0m> and I'm not sure it was always this way.. in fact I'm pretty sure it wasn't
[22:23:28] <ryankriza1> anyone here have a decent how-to on getting this damn bcm 4306 working?
[22:23:40] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: well instead of guessing, ask the pro's on the opensolaris lists :)
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[22:48:27] <ryankriza1> I've installed xchat via blastwave, but I can't seem to find where it installed? did an /opt/csw/bin/pkg-get install xchat (again) and it says it's installed. Just dont' know where. Anyone know where it installs to?
[22:50:09] <seanmcg> not in /opt/csw/bin ?
[22:50:15] <Aria> /opt/csw/bin?
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[22:52:20] <ryankriza1> interesting it'd install there
[22:52:25] <ryankriza1> last time it gave me a menu.
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[23:05:39] <epruett> Any virtualbox folks out here?
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[23:07:21] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: http://docsun.cites.uiuc.edu/sun_docs/C/solaris_9/SUNWdev/LLM/p24.html
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[23:07:43] <codestr0m> epruett: try to ask your question.. if someone can help they usually will. be patient some times are more busy than others
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[23:08:48] <epruett> Ok, running RHEL 4.5 within Virtualbox, but can't get the RHEL network interface working
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[23:12:01] <codestr0m> epruett: I should have looked first.. there's a #virtualbox which may be more helpful to you
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[23:12:40] <epruett> Where is that?
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[23:13:35] <Aria> A little to the left.
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[23:30:26] <jbk> heh.. i'm watching the video of mike shapiro's talk from the storage summit
[23:31:02] <jbk> the 'artist's possible rendering' of a storage an idealized storage management display slide is coincidentially not in the video :)
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[23:59:12] <CIA-57> Bill Taylor <Bill.Taylor at Sun dot COM>: 6759755 byte ordering incorrect for some ibt interfaces, 6759745 ibcm_process_cep_req_cm_hdlr() does not properly validate InitiatorDepth
[23:59:14] <CIA-57> <gerald.jelinek at sun dot com>: 6572077 size of swapfs filesystems in a zone should reflect zone.max-swap limit
[23:59:15] <CIA-57> tim szeto <Tim.Szeto at Sun dot COM>: 6735493 Microsoft 2008 x64 WHQL testing failed the iSCSI compliance tests.





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