[00:00:12] <hudnix> Anyone know, is there a way to forward a specific udp port on the global zone to a particular local zone?
[00:00:31] <hudnix> (wish zones could share ips)
[00:01:31] <alanc> maybe with netcat ?   ( http://netcat.sourceforge.net/ )
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[00:03:23] <hudnix> hmm, I'll look at that.
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[00:05:45] <spiff> I seem to have two pools called rpool, which confuses grub...how do I permanently rename the old one_
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[00:06:42] <seanmcg> export it and import it again under a different name
[00:07:14] <spiff> grub still found the old one, and the renamed old one...
[00:07:35] <spiff> as in rpool, rpool2, both old, but not the new rpool
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[01:42:37] <austin_> howdy, I get _thousands_ of this error when compiling Wine: "warning: visibility attribute not supported in this configuration; ignored" any ideas what causes it/how to fix it?
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[01:44:01] <alanc> I think that's caused by using __attribute__((visibility("...")) stuff with the default gcc 3.4.3, and is fixed by moving to a gcc 4.x, but haven't checked that closely
[01:44:07] <ret> i wanted opinions on stability with opensolaris on a hp dv5-1050ei.
[01:44:15] <ret> (it's a laptop)
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[01:51:37] <nachox> run the device driver detection program, if there are drivers, opensolaris is damn stable
[01:52:00] <austin_> any way to silence the warning?
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[01:53:42] <ret> nachox: alright, i'll look into ddtool
[01:53:44] <ret> thanks
[01:54:42] <nachox> they are just warnings...
[01:55:53] <ruse39> anyone saw APC PowerChute for x86 Solaris ?
[01:56:29] <Decretum> no
[01:59:12] <CIA-57> James Marks - Sun Microsystems <James.Marks at Sun dot COM>: FWARC 2008/623 Improved Error Reporting for DR Domain Services, 6719903 DR error message should be more helpful when 'drd' is disabled
[01:59:18] <austin_> right, but they clutter up the output...13000 lines out 25000
[01:59:27] <austin_> and I'd like to use -Werror to check for others
[01:59:33] <austin_> not major, but annoying
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[02:59:12] <CIA-57> Birva Shah <Birva.Shah at Sun dot COM>: 6595936 xsetitimer() ITIMER_REAL miscomputes signal time-to-expire with large negative jump in gethrestime()
[03:02:20] <ruse39> hehe, http://www.magwest.net/images/ebay/3000matrix.jpg - I'm happy owner of 4 those "towers" :)
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[03:16:22] <coffman> hmpf
[03:16:49] <coffman> my laptop seems to lock up on bigger writes to zfs root
[03:16:51] <coffman> gar
[03:20:09] <coffman> hmm
[03:20:20] <coffman> pool got only 200mb left o0
[03:20:54] <bda> Heh.
[03:21:01] <bda> ZFS becomes Very Unhappy when there is Little Space left.
[03:21:09] * bda has his alerts fire at 80% these days.
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[03:22:42] * coffman needs to reinstall
[03:22:54] <coffman> i gave it only 30GB
[03:23:13] <coffman> but im still waiting for snv100
[03:23:15] <coffman> narf
[03:28:51] <Blackknight> wish I could get image update to work
[03:29:06] <Blackknight> pkg keeps failing
[03:29:37] <alanc> following all the steps listed at http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/image-update/ ?
[03:29:45] <Blackknight> yeah
[03:29:57] <Blackknight> running svn97
[03:30:35] <Blackknight> I've noticed a few bugs
[03:31:53] <nachox> bda, performance degrades badly?
[03:32:21] <Blackknight> maybe I'll just rsync my home directory somewhere and reinstall
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[03:32:38] <bda> nachox: Yes.
[03:32:53] <nachox> crap
[03:35:28] <bda> Just watch your usage.
[03:35:33] <bda> Provisioning is important. :)
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[03:41:50] <nachox> i guess that with zfs you can always add more disks...
[03:42:02] <ret> is ddtool F/OSS, nachox
[03:42:43] <coffman> nachox: well, i freed up some spaces, now its running fine again
[03:43:00] <Blackknight> but you can't remove them, lol
[03:43:16] <coffman> but hack, im going for a 7200rpm disk with 320gb
[03:43:26] <nachox> ret, yes, but i dont see how that is important... http://opensolaris.org/os/project/ddtool/
[03:43:55] <nachox> Blackknight, of course you can, you just have to replace them with new ones :P
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[03:45:00] <ret> nachox: well, i may develop one centric for linuxes in C
[03:45:07] <Blackknight> well, yeah
[03:46:05] <sstallion> evening gents
[03:46:24] <sstallion> bda: have your parallels install handy ?
[03:47:22] <bda> sstallion: Not atm, no. If you email me stuff I can have a look later. :)
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[03:47:53] <sstallion> bda: no worries, I was going to send you a test driver to see if it causes parallels to panic ;)
[03:48:04] <sstallion> I get odd results on my mbp (which it really shouldnt)
[03:48:22] <bda> I can have a MacBook and iMac handy tomorrow.
[03:48:28] <sstallion> cool
[03:48:33] <bda> And, I suppose, a MacMini, if I want to hurt myself. :P
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[03:48:51] <sstallion> driver is almost complete
[03:49:03] <sstallion> so once I finish up these rx and tx bits, its ready for testing
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[04:20:54] <sstallion> anyone around familiar with STREAMS ?
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[04:39:20] <Blackknight> I seem to have fixed my pkg issues
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[04:46:46] <jbk> vening
[04:46:49] <jbk> +e
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[04:58:15] <lkthomas> guys
[04:58:29] <lkthomas> our storage server sometime all of sudden will be hang
[04:58:38] <lkthomas> like 15mins ago
[04:58:46] <lkthomas> 4 of 9 HDD light is on
[04:59:08] <lkthomas> how could I check why is it happening ?
[04:59:13] <CIA-57> Roger A. Faulkner <Roger.Faulkner at Sun dot COM>: 6762062 POSIX requires fork() to be async-signal-safe
[04:59:21] <lkthomas> I have to power cycle it
[05:00:43] <palowoda> Sounds like symtoms of a hardware failure.
[05:01:00] <palowoda> symptoms
[05:01:19] <lkthomas> it is a brand new server man
[05:01:41] <lkthomas> scrub shows no checksum error
[05:02:35] <palowoda> What makes you think it's the disks?
[05:02:44] <lkthomas> no
[05:02:49] <lkthomas> I mean, the disk light is on
[05:02:58] <jbk> grab dtrace toolkit
[05:02:59] <lkthomas> 4 HDD light is on
[05:03:20] <lkthomas> jbk: how could I know what to trace?
[05:03:28] <lkthomas> it is happen by random
[05:03:38] <jbk> well i'd start with some of his scripts that give details about IO
[05:04:04] <lkthomas> hmm
[05:04:54] <jbk> obviously while the issue is happening
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[05:10:25] <lkthomas> I can't not reproduce the problem
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[05:23:18] <sstallion> jbk: yo
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[05:24:01] <jbk> evening
[05:24:09] <jbk> *sigh* the test farm is still on ss11
[05:24:17] <sstallion> bummer :/
[05:24:34] <sstallion> jbk: dealt with esballoc/allocb much ?
[05:24:58] <jbk> not really
[05:25:04] <jbk> was snv_99 built with ss11?
[05:25:12] <sstallion> it was
[05:25:14] <sstallion> the last release
[05:25:22] <sstallion> onnv_100+ uses 12
[05:25:34] <jbk> ok rollin back..
[05:25:42] <jbk> uugh
[05:25:47] <jbk> i _really_ need to get a new laptop :)
[05:25:51] <sstallion> jbk: easiest way to deal with that is to just:
[05:25:58] <Blackknight> ok, image-update failed
[05:26:05] <sstallion> hg clone -r onnv_99 svn://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/onnv/onnv-gate
[05:26:24] <Blackknight> pkg: unable to activate opensolaris-2
[05:26:40] <sstallion> jbk: meh I'm lazy. updating an opteron and a sparc sounds like a great way to kill a day
[05:26:47] <Blackknight> why wouldn't it be able to activate?
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[05:27:58] * sstallion kicks mac_rx
[05:28:13] <Blackknight> bah
[05:28:23] <Blackknight> the error message is kind of useless
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[05:28:59] <jbk> the new macbooks look nice, but so expensive... if they were a bit cheaper, i'd probably go for one
[05:29:45] <sstallion> jbk: *nod*
[05:29:49] <Blackknight> every time I try to update it fails
[05:29:52] <sstallion> I have the revision before these... great laptops
[05:29:55] <jbk> hmm i saw your email, archived it, but now it's not coming up
[05:29:59] <sstallion> this refresh is more asthetics than anything else
[05:30:01] <jbk> was gonna reread it
[05:30:07] <sstallion> jbk: the allocb one ?
[05:30:09] <jbk> i don't suppose they ever go on sale?
[05:30:10] <jbk> yeah
[05:30:17] <sstallion> jbk: unfortunately no
[05:30:20] <sstallion> but they are worth every penny
[05:30:39] <sstallion> the price is actually resonable with the same hardware in other manufs
[05:30:43] <jbk> though they do give educational discounts don't they...
[05:30:47] <sstallion> yup
[05:30:48] <sstallion> 10%
[05:30:52] <jbk> hmm..
[05:31:03] <sstallion> they'll usually take old college id's
[05:31:07] * jbk wonders if he could get a short-term night job at a CC for a semester :)
[05:31:07] <sstallion> theyve been taking mine for years :D
[05:31:11] <jbk> oooh
[05:31:21] <jbk> they never deleted my old college account
[05:31:25] <jbk> i believe it still forwards
[05:31:49] <sstallion> just takes a picture ID
[05:31:54] <jbk> oh hmm
[05:31:59] <jbk> i think i threw mine away
[05:32:02] <sstallion> at least in the stores... can't remember what they did online
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[05:32:09] <sstallion> I bought my first powerbook in... 2004 I think
[05:32:11] <jbk> was hoping i could just use an .edu address
[05:32:30] <sstallion> that one was online... I don't think I needed to do anything special
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[05:32:37] <flip> hey all... im trying to install os2008.05 on a new machine i built and im having a hard time... when the DVD boots... it says preparing live image for use (normal)
[05:32:48] <flip> then jumps into system maintence mode and is asking for the root pass
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[05:32:58] <flip> (there is no OS on this machine... hence my confusion)
[05:33:55] <Blackknight> you may want to try a newer iso
[05:34:36] <flip> but 2008.05 is still the release is it not?
[05:35:23] <Blackknight> http://www.genunix.org/ has preview builds
[05:35:46] <flip> ah
[05:35:49] <flip> are they stable though? heh
[05:36:23] <Blackknight> svn 97 is for me
[05:37:05] <Blackknight> of course I can't get a simple update to work
[05:37:45] <Triskelios> you end up with snv_99 if you decide to image-update anyway
[05:37:56] <flip> im dling 99
[05:38:19] <sstallion> jbk: meh, basically I'm trying to figure out what format mblk_t is expecting
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[05:38:38] <sstallion> I would have figured It would want the src and dest ether addrs, but it almost sounds like that isn't the case
[05:39:12] <jinx099> I'm having major problems with snv99, I hope someone here can help.
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[05:39:29] <jinx099> When I try to boot it, it will just reboot somewhere in the middle.
[05:39:45] <flip> lol all i really want is for sxce to boot :P :P and i cant get it to boot from grub at all
[05:39:47] <sstallion> jinx099: boot with -kd
[05:40:00] <kokoko1> hi i am calculating the usage in hours like sum(timelength)/3600 it giving me
[05:40:06] <Blackknight> Triskelios: image-update failed
[05:40:12] <jinx099> sstallion, Do I need to append that to a grub line?
[05:40:26] <kokoko1> sorry wrong window
[05:40:26] <sstallion> jinx099: if you are on x86 yes
[05:40:29] <evocallaghan> Are you guys talking about sxce99 ?
[05:40:32] <sstallion> add it to the kernel line
[05:40:41] <Triskelios> Blackknight: even following http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/image-update/ ?
[05:40:44] <jinx099> sstallion, Okay, I'll try that.
[05:40:50] <jbk> sstallion: hmm
[05:41:02] <jbk> it should just be the raw data i thought
[05:41:02] <evocallaghan> Because there is a panic from many audiohd chipsets. Fixed in 100
[05:41:07] <Blackknight> yeah, did all that
[05:41:13] <sstallion> jbk: hrmm
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[05:41:18] <Blackknight> ran it again and it seems to be doing more
[05:41:18] <jbk> dest src type data [crc]
[05:41:25] <jbk> not sure about crc
[05:41:29] <jbk> that might be stripped off
[05:41:30] <sstallion> jbk: thats what is being sent now (sans the crc)
[05:41:31] <sstallion> yeah
[05:41:42] <sstallion> dest src payload
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[05:42:17] <sstallion> I wonder if snoop is expecting some kind of behavior I don't have implemented yet
[05:42:31] <sstallion> all thats missing at the moment is full tx support
[05:42:44] <Triskelios> Blackknight: try even the manual bits (which it says aren't necessary for post b93 etc.)
[05:42:54] <sstallion> the chip is going into promisc, and the mblk_t's are being handed to mac_rx... but it seems to disappear into a black hole
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[05:43:12] <jinx099> sstallion, When I append -kd to the kernel line, it says Loading kmdb and gives me some kind of prompt.  I don't know what this is.
[05:43:21] <sstallion> welcome to kmdb
[05:43:22] <sstallion> type in :c
[05:43:42] <sstallion> let me know when it panics and drops you to a prompt
[05:44:13] <jinx099> it panicked
[05:44:23] <sstallion> check ::msgbuf
[05:44:59] <jinx099> okay.  what am I looking for here?
[05:45:14] <sstallion> hopefully you should see a message which indicates what went south
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[05:45:19] <Blackknight> pkg: unable to activate opensolaris-3
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[05:45:22] <Blackknight> happens every time
[05:45:25] <sstallion> it would be helpful if you could paste what you see
[05:45:41] <Triskelios> Blackknight: beadm activate doesn't work either?
[05:45:51] <Blackknight> nope
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[05:46:12] <Blackknight> Unable to activate opensolaris-3. Unknown external error.
[05:47:06] <jinx099> panic[cpu0]/thread=ffffff....
[05:47:06] <Blackknight> maybe I'll just reinstall
[05:47:33] <sstallion> jinx099: that is not going to be helpful
[05:47:44] <sstallion> at the bottom of msgbuf you should see a reason for the panic
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[05:51:22] <jinx099> sstallion, well I don't really see anything obvious.  Under the panic message it says something about BAD TRAP General protection.  I don't know if that is useful or not.
[05:51:24] <sstallion> jbk: got it. I just had to strip the frame header
[05:51:34] <sstallion> it is
[05:51:44] <sstallion> its the equivalent of a segmentation fault in kernel land
[05:51:49] <jbk> ahh
[05:51:53] <jbk> src & dest?
[05:51:56] <sstallion> jbk: yup
[05:52:02] <sstallion> snoop started lighting up
[05:52:05] <jbk> hmm
[05:52:10] <Triskelios> Blackknight: try BE_PRINT_ERR=true beadm activate opensolaris-3
[05:52:20] <sstallion> jinx099: okay, you need to issue a $c
[05:52:21] <jbk> then where do you set src & dest etheraddr?
[05:52:22] <Triskelios> Blackknight: that will print a more verbose error message
[05:52:36] <sstallion> jbk: well, its not strictly required
[05:53:04] <Blackknight> ok
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[05:53:22] <sstallion> the ether frame can be stripped off at each end without impacting the payload
[05:54:17] <Blackknight> be_do_installgrub: installgrub failed for device c5d0.
[05:54:45] <jinx099> sstallion, at the top of the stack I see kmdb and then panic messages, and then nv_sata.  Is this a problem with my sata controller drivers?
[05:54:56] <sstallion> could be
[05:55:12] <sstallion> can you type verbatim the first line starting with nv_sata`
[05:55:30] <sstallion> (don't worry about the arguments to the symbol)
[05:56:11] <jinx099> nv_sata 'nv_sgp_led_init+0xe4
[05:57:01] <sstallion> what is the frame below that one ?
[05:57:26] <jinx099> nv_sata 'nv_attach+0x201
[05:57:34] <sstallion> okay one sec
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[05:59:31] <Triskelios> Blackknight: uh, the zpool on that device is not bootable. it needs to be partitioned with a solaris disk label (e.g. resulting in device name c5d0s0)
[05:59:58] <Triskelios> Blackknight: grub cannot deal with a zpool using a whole disk
[06:00:05] <sstallion> jinx099: okay... lets get some background
[06:00:09] <sstallion> is this your first install ?
[06:00:14] <sstallion> or was this after an upgrade ?
[06:01:53] <jinx099> this is on a fresh install of opensolaris 2008.05 and then upgraded to the lastest image.  I tried to upgrade on my main disk and am having the same problem (reboot during boot).
[06:02:32] <Triskelios> google shows jbk hit the exact same bug as jinx099
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[06:02:58] <Blackknight> I thought zfs was supposed to use raw disks?
[06:03:02] <Triskelios> which is apparently http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2008091101/
[06:03:19] <jbk> ?
[06:03:29] <jbk> what bug did i hit?
[06:03:41] <Triskelios> jbk: nv_sata crasher
[06:03:51] <Blackknight> I guess I can remove the drive from the mirror
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[06:04:40] <Blackknight> the format program is so confusing
[06:04:45] <Triskelios> Blackknight: it doesn't really make a difference to zfs whether it's using the whole disk or just a partition, as long as there are no other filesystems on the disk
[06:05:02] <jbk> ahh yeah
[06:06:02] <jbk> i should try to search and see if any onnv builds are impacted or just nightly
[06:06:51] <sstallion> jbk: want to see something screwy ?
[06:06:59] <jinx099> jbk, What can I do to resolve this?
[06:07:01] <Triskelios> jinx099: boot into your last active BE, mount the new one, and use pkg -R <mountpoint> to try to install a different version of the SUNWnvsata package
[06:07:38] <sstallion> jbk: http://rafb.net/p/zcipqW28.html
[06:07:41] <Blackknight> Triskelios: I thought using a partition was slower?
[06:07:43] <sstallion> (when you get a sec)
[06:08:06] <jinx099> Triskelios, thanks, I will try that now
[06:08:25] <Triskelios> Blackknight: the partition info just gets translated into an offset, so there is no difference
[06:09:18] <Blackknight> ok, thanks
[06:09:39] <jbk> i mist be having a brain fart
[06:09:41] <jbk> what's goofy
[06:10:00] <sstallion> jbk: its late - its me
[06:10:05] <jbk> ok
[06:10:09] <sstallion> for some reason the ARP payload looked wrong to me
[06:10:43] <Blackknight> heh, slicing it didn't help
[06:11:03] <Blackknight> be_do_installgrub: installgrub failed for device c5d0s0.
[06:11:55] <Triskelios> Blackknight: weird... is it still resilvering?
[06:12:24] <sstallion> jbk: I ended up not having to strip the ether frame... looks like there is some code in mac somewhere that accounts for both cases
[06:12:28] <Blackknight> yeah, guess I should wait
[06:12:31] <coffman> hm, is there a way to switch to a certain cpu freq on a speedstep system?
[06:13:11] <jbk> sstallion: that's what i thought mac_ether would do
[06:13:24] <sstallion> jbk: *nod*
[06:13:39] <sstallion> it works either way, so I may just chop the header off anyway to save on PIO cycles
[06:17:28] <Blackknight> any way, if I can't get the update to work I'll just reinstall on Friday
[06:17:32] <Blackknight> thanks for the help
[06:26:02] <ninjaslim> doesn't sxce/opensolaris/solaris support efi for sun sparc systems since they use efi, so if i were to install sxce on my macbook pro it shouldn't require extra steps or would it
[06:26:11] <_mary_kate_> ninjaslim: huh?  sparc don't use efi
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[06:26:34] <ninjaslim> _mary_kate_ i've been reading around, come across that in several posts unless they're all wrong
[06:26:38] <_mary_kate_> ninjaslim: they use openboot/openfirmware
[06:26:38] <jinx099> Triskelios, I installed SUNWnvsata at 0 dot 5.11,5.11-0.97 and it does not panic on boot, BUT I now see a bunch of warnings and undefined symbols on boot, and it appears to be locked up before finishing booting.
[06:27:20] <ninjaslim> _mary_kate_ isn't that a reimplementation of EFI though
[06:27:24] <_mary_kate_> ninjaslim: no
[06:27:30] <Triskelios> ninjaslim: uhh, EFI is intel specific
[06:27:35] <_mary_kate_> it's completely unrelated to EFI, and pre-dates it by quite a long time
[06:27:41] <Triskelios> ninjaslim: openboot has been around for decades
[06:28:23] <ninjaslim> i see, so there goes that idea, how am i supposed to get sxce on my macbook pro without having to do major hacks
[06:28:23] <_mary_kate_> the only place solaris or sparc uses EFI is in disk labels for large disks, and in ZFS
[06:28:39] <_mary_kate_> ninjaslim: also, even if you had an x86 system using openboot, you couldn't install x86 solaris on it, because x86 solaris only supports BIOS
[06:28:54] <ninjaslim> i see
[06:29:04] <Triskelios> ninjaslim: the mac has bootcamp
[06:29:42] <ninjaslim> Triskelios: es i know, but that would mean creating a partition for it then changing the id of that partition so that solaris can recognize it and then installing it and risking hosing the sstem
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[06:46:27] <moazamraja> anyone know much about 2.5" SAS disks?
[06:46:44] <moazamraja> I have 4 of them...I'd like to slap them into a desktop, or an external enclosure
[06:47:09] <moazamraja> can SAS disks talk to regular ol' SATA controllers?
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[06:58:21] <_mary_kate_> moazamraja: no, only the other way around
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[07:05:43] <moazamraja> _mary_kate_: so SATA disks can talk to SAS controllers?
[07:05:44] <moazamraja> damn.
[07:06:05] <moazamraja> i have these great 4 72G SAS disks...and nothing to connect them too :/
[07:06:47] <pumpkin_> buy a SAS card
[07:07:17] <moazamraja> pumpkin_: hmm...
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[07:25:13] <freetown1> hello all, where should i look for the cause for ssh continuously 'hanging' sessions?
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[07:36:52] <anilg> flaky network connection/ nic issues
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[07:37:01] <anilg> freetown1: ^
[07:38:08] <freetown1> but but but...i don't have any problems with another box on the same network of the problem box?
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[07:42:15] <evocallaghan> Hey
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[07:42:31] <evocallaghan> Has anyone got a copy of host.def they could rafb for me please ?
[07:43:10] <freetown1> anilg, nor anything from dmesg about the nic going down
[07:43:40] <evocallaghan> Its in /usr/X11/lib/X11/config/
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[07:44:33] <evocallaghan> alanc:Around ?
[07:44:43] <freetown1> noo such dir on my box
[07:44:52] <evocallaghan> OK thanks for trying
[07:45:01] <evocallaghan> Your need snv_97 or less
[07:45:20] <evocallaghan> Dam it, this is holding up my build
[07:45:35] <freetown1> evocallaghan, running Indiana here...based on snv86
[07:45:50] <evocallaghan> ok
[07:46:09] <evocallaghan> I got rid of Indiana as it was useless for building anything
[07:46:21] <evocallaghan> Keept getting in the way ..
[07:46:34] <evocallaghan> Any way, http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/util/xorg-cf-files-1.0.2.tar.bz2 should have had host.def
[07:47:30] <freetown1> uselss for building anything? even for itself?
[07:48:25] <evocallaghan> No idea, its gone, don't care, don't want to care
[07:48:41] <evocallaghan> It wasted far too much of my time on it already
[07:48:42] <freetown1> poor Indy
[07:49:01] <evocallaghan> sxce has been rock soild however
[07:49:34] * freetown1 cracks into evil laughter
[07:49:44] <freetown1> i hear ips is coming to sxce and what not
[07:50:04] <evocallaghan> I am working on my own distro so it does not matter
[07:50:33] <freetown1> heh, what happened to the 'indiana the base for distros' goal
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[07:50:56] <evocallaghan> I am not basing my distro on it, that is for sure !
[07:51:17] <phimic> good morning
[07:51:30] <freetown1> a good afternoon to your phimic
[07:51:37] <freetown1> espresso?
[07:52:16] <freetown1> s/your/you/
[07:52:26] <freetown1> i think i need a coffee...
[07:52:44] <phimic> freetown1: not espresso right now i nee a coffee
[07:52:57] <freetown1> but an espresso is coffee
[07:53:21] <evocallaghan> lol !
[07:53:32] * evocallaghan goes for a shower then out to eat
[07:53:35] * evocallaghan &
[07:53:48] <freetown1> bon appetite!
[07:54:13] <freetown1> hmm...did i tack on a e there?
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[07:59:09] <CIA-57> Nagakiran Rajashekar <Nagakiran.Rajashekar at Sun dot COM>: 6300710 recursive mutex_enter in nfs4rename_persistent_fh(), 6579226 XXX comment in sv_find() can disappear
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[08:05:28] <e^ipi> espresso is really the only coffee worth worrying about
[08:06:11] * freetown1 hands e^ipi a capuccino
[08:09:08] <e^ipi> i'm mostly just excited because my vibiemme comes on monday
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[08:30:08] <trochej> Coffee?
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[08:48:55] <lkthomas> guys
[08:49:00] <lkthomas> hmm
[08:49:17] <trochej> Yup?
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[08:52:13] <lkthomas> first, does general samba server are case sensitivity ? no ?
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[08:52:40] <e^ipi> yes?
[08:52:50] <e^ipi> you can turn off sensitivity if you're using zfs
[08:53:28] <lkthomas> is there have any further step to add shell user into smb allow list ?
[08:54:39] <e^ipi> yes
[08:54:56] <e^ipi> and if you google it, you'll find it
[08:55:06] <lkthomas> I am reading cifs server guide, and I am still confused
[08:55:23] <lkthomas> do I have to create cifs group before add user to allow list ?
[08:55:47] <e^ipi> no, you need to set up pam.conf and do related things
[08:56:38] <lkthomas> other password required pam_smb_passwd.so.1 nowarn
[08:56:39] <lkthomas> ?
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[09:00:04] <lkthomas> ok, couple of question: 1. isn't that will create security concern if using pam? 2. I can not found how to specific which shell user is allow to access a specific share folder
[09:00:39] <e^ipi> it is done through regular permissions
[09:00:40] <freetown1> share on zfs filesystem?
[09:01:55] <lkthomas> I am trying to use sharesmb
[09:03:29] <noyb> lkthomas: which Solaris do you have?  I think s10u5 didn't have sharesmb property.  (that's my recollection anyway).
[09:03:40] <lkthomas> SXCE b99
[09:03:46] <noyb> ah
[09:04:09] <noyb> which makes my point moot.  :-)
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[09:04:52] <tynar> some hints on network settings needed
[09:05:02] <noyb> indeed.
[09:05:26] <noyb> I'm also trying to divine whether we're talking about one or more hosts.
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[09:08:01] <noyb> lkthomas: I think it would be best to state the requirements and let others try to provide solution options for you.  But the problem and/or requirements are needed before solutions can be achieved.
[09:08:57] * noyb thinks of searching for "how to ask questions" document...
[09:09:36] <palowoda> divine questions?
[09:12:08] <freetown1> i think he meant mind reading or something like that
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[09:20:46] <lkthomas> sorry, I am still reading CIFS server guide
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[09:47:52] <DTEIT> morning
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[09:59:27] <rgl> hi
[09:59:55] <rgl> can we download opensolaris 2008.11?
[10:00:36] <rgl> ah, we can.  its at opensolaris.org.
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[10:04:22] <pumpkin_> already?
[10:04:47] <pumpkin_> ah, the beta
[10:05:17] <pumpkin_> why do so many packages still come with SUNW when the symbol changed to JAVA? :P
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[10:06:44] <jamesd> pumpkin_, to keep all the old scripts working...
[10:07:03] <pumpkin_> boo
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[10:10:39] <codestr0m> why do so many packages still come with SUNW when they should follow upstream naming convention where they *aren't* upstream :P
[10:12:15] <pumpkin_> is there a long-term plan to move away from the SUNW prefix?
[10:12:20] <pumpkin_> surely there's a better way to do that
[10:12:48] <codestr0m> pumpkin_: the only thing I heard about was they were going to do some name changes. I emailed the guy in charge of it.. to work with him on it and never got a reply
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[10:13:15] <pumpkin_> cause I love solaris and all, but coming from the outside it looks kinda dirty to have that in the name :P
[10:13:16] <codestr0m> you can ask in #pkg5 they know more there, but frankly. it's a dead issue outside the firewall
[10:13:23] <pumpkin_> yeah
[10:13:27] <pumpkin_> mmkay :)
[10:13:39] <codestr0m> I'm solving this in my own thing, but that's another story
[10:13:45] <pumpkin_> how so?
[10:13:48] <Triskelios> many new packages in pkg(5) don't use prefixes since they're not necessary or expressive enough even
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[10:14:45] <rgl> its possible to install opensolaris without the desktop?
[10:14:53] <Triskelios> pumpkin_: only marketing believes the ticker change ever happened, though =P
[10:15:12] <pumpkin_> :)
[10:15:15] <e^ipi> rgl: no, remove it afterwards
[10:15:36] <codestr0m> yeah. changing the ticker still doesn't make the trend look any better for the stock
[10:15:48] <codestr0m> I wonder when it will bottom out :P
[10:16:03] <e^ipi> it's a recession... of course the stock sucks
[10:16:05] <codestr0m> e^ipi: is package removal working properly in IPS now?
[10:16:13] <e^ipi> i dunno
[10:16:30] <e^ipi> i play with ON so i don't have an indiana box aronud
[10:16:32] <codestr0m> e^ipi: umm.. tell that to IBM and a few other companies.. or china.. or people outside of canada and the rest of the world
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[10:16:34] <e^ipi> *around
[10:16:42] <moazamraja> _mary_kate_: do you know if something like this would help to attach SAS disks to a SATA bus?
[10:16:53] <codestr0m> e^ipi: heh.. you can compile O/N with indy and you know it
[10:16:55] <moazamraja> _mary_kate_: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817998037
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[10:17:05] <Triskelios> codestr0m: uninstallation, yes, I think. although I haven't tried removing anything that shipped by default...
[10:17:17] <Triskelios> codestr0m: removing packages from the repository is another matter...
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[10:17:25] <e^ipi> ibm's at $88
[10:17:32] <codestr0m> Triskelios: good luck. you'll have to remove slim_install and then readd those deps if you need them. etc. it's not easy
[10:17:40] <e^ipi> it was $150 a year ago
[10:17:57] <e^ipi> you can compile ON with indiana with a whole lot of hassle
[10:18:00] <palowoda> Damn IBM toke a big hit also.
[10:18:17] <_mary_kate_> moazamraja: i don't know what that is.  the product description is very unclear
[10:18:18] <e^ipi> i don't care to worry about that when i can just use SXCE and have it work
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[10:18:34] <codestr0m> e^ipi: I've not used SXCE to compare.. , but download SS12 patch patchadd and patches to SS12 and go.. ?
[10:18:44] <codestr0m> right. I understand
[10:18:45] <e^ipi> i don't have the time or energy to piss around with 2008.05
[10:19:04] <e^ipi> it serves many needs, but not mine
[10:19:25] <codestr0m> how is your libc efforts coming along.. should I hg pull -u any time soon?
[10:19:40] <e^ipi> no, i have a day job so it gets shelved most of the time
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[10:20:07] <pumpkin_> anyone know the ZFS changes from 2008.5 to .11 ?
[10:20:20] <moazamraja> _mary_kate_: yeah...I was hoping you'd have seen it before
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[10:20:43] <codestr0m> e^ipi: ugh.. the coffee biz still beating you up or got hired by sun?
[10:20:45] <Doc> screw joe the feeking plumber!
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[10:21:03] * JoeThePlumber clears his throat
[10:21:06] <Doc> he's not even a registered plumber!
[10:21:06] <e^ipi> pumpkin_: zfs upgrade -v
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[10:21:18] <Chipdancer> his name isn't Joe
[10:21:19] <moazamraja> _mary_kate_: i *think* what it does is take in 4 2.5" SAS disks and exposes them as either SAS or SATA...thought, it could be SAS->SAS and SATA->SATA, hard to tell
[10:21:23] <e^ipi> codestr0m: i've been with sun since august
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[10:21:27] <Triskelios> also zpool upgrade -v
[10:21:41] <codestr0m> e^ipi: I thought you were still just an intern
[10:21:46] <e^ipi> the coffee biz never beat me up either, i liked my job
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[10:22:02] <e^ipi> it just didn't pay well
[10:22:08] <palowoda> e^ipi: How much did you pay for the coffee machine?
[10:22:09] <e^ipi> i am an intern.
[10:22:15] <JoeThePlumber> I see, thanks e^ipi, Triskelios
[10:22:19] <e^ipi> palowoda: $1600, i got a discount
[10:22:38] <palowoda> So it's new?
[10:22:42] <e^ipi> yeah
[10:22:47] <palowoda> Cool.
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[10:22:51] <Doc> !joe the !plumber
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[10:23:09] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: what's your machine?
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[10:24:18] <moazamraja> $1600 for a coffee machine? holy...do you own a coffee shop ?
[10:24:21] <TheK_> e^ipi: Do you happen to have a crystal ball by any chance? I'd like to compare reception on OpenSolaris/Solaris forecasts. Do you perceive any business goals or revenue streams in the near future?
[10:24:39] <moazamraja> TheK_: uh, that's easy. No.
[10:24:46] <e^ipi> moazamraja: no, but i could open one with it
[10:25:02] <TheK_> moazamraja :)
[10:25:02] <moazamraja> nice
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[10:25:28] <e^ipi> people who are not professional photographers spend upwards of $2000 on cameras
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[10:25:41] <TheK_> moazamraja: Ok no customers.. what id we settle for target focus group? Still nothing?
[10:25:41] <Chipdancer> domobar?
[10:25:51] <e^ipi> "prosumer" is a relatively recent term, but one that's gained popularity nonetheless
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[10:26:11] <TheK_> .oO( prosumer )
[10:26:11] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: yeah, the dual boiler PID'd one
[10:26:11] <palowoda> More than that, I dropped over 5G on my cam.
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[10:26:21] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: bastard! :)
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[10:26:36] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: I've (*only*) got an ECM Giotto Premium (4 years now)
[10:26:43] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: are they horizontal or vertical boilers?
[10:26:57] <e^ipi> vertical
[10:27:04] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: what type of group is it?
[10:27:16] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: shame.. horizontal boilers have better thermal stability
[10:27:22] <e^ipi> and don't knock the giotto, it's quite a capable machine
[10:27:25] * Chipdancer dreams of a La Marzocco GS3
[10:27:27] <moazamraja> TheK_: huh? I dont follow. focus group?
[10:27:31] <e^ipi> it's got the E61 group
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[10:27:38] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: trust me, my giotto's hot!
[10:27:56] <moazamraja> Suns problems aren't really that much to do with customers.
[10:28:09] <lkthomas> ok guys
[10:28:27] <e^ipi> i think with a PID, the thermal stability of vertical boilers becomes less of an issue
[10:28:34] * Chipdancer would love a machine with a saturated group like the GS3
[10:28:35] <lkthomas> if I am using pam to deal with sharesmb, do I need to change shell to nologin ?
[10:28:40] <moazamraja> unless the problem is that Sun doesn't know how to do basic order taking/money transfer
[10:28:46] <moazamraja> anyways.
[10:29:04] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: GS3 is a nice machine, but it's $10,000
[10:29:20] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: yeah, from what I've heard it sounds like you've just got to be more concerned about the thermal stability between the boiler and the head and what happens to the heat there
[10:29:21] <TheK_> moazamraja: Who is the target audience for the OpenSolaris publication? Who is following the blogs, anticipating news and longing to press the upgrade button? Can we attribute them with a class?
[10:29:35] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: hence the dreaming!
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[10:29:36] <e^ipi> and judging by complaints, it's a pretty shoddily built machine for the price
[10:30:13] <e^ipi> at that price i'd probably just retrofit a PID in to a linea
[10:30:16] <palowoda> OpenSolaris targets coffee drinkers.
[10:30:19] <TheK_> moazamraja: Ok. I'll try to follow your thought here: If Sun hasn't a problem with getting enough paying customers, what is the problem then?
[10:30:22] <Chipdancer> I think my next machine will be a 2 group HX
[10:30:39] <TheK_> palowoda: that would make sense. I drink alot of coffee
[10:30:55] <Chipdancer> something with a bigger boiler to improve both inter and intra shot stability
[10:31:16] <evocallaghan> You nut case, your spending 2k on a coffee machine !?
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[10:31:26] <Chipdancer> evocallaghan: that's not that much
[10:31:38] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: what's your grinder?
[10:31:40] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: yes, i think it was a wise investment. and it was $1600, not 2k
[10:31:46] <evocallaghan> OK, send me 2k then plase
[10:31:51] <evocallaghan> s/please
[10:31:53] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: rocky :(
[10:32:01] <e^ipi> it's the next thing that gets an upgrade
[10:32:31] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: my latest grinder to drool over is a Compak K-10 WBC :)
[10:32:36] <evocallaghan> Mine is a Intel Xeon with a beans can on top to heat the water
[10:32:37] <Chipdancer> current grinder: Mazzer Mini
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[10:33:00] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: stepped or continuous rocky?
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[10:33:12] * TheK_ shakes the magic crystal ball it comes up with "e^ipi is forced to install OpenSolaris and integrate the new gcc-compatible Sun Studio compiler"
[10:33:16] <DTEIT> someone knows if there's a package for nagios3 somewhere?
[10:33:27] <TheK_> ..must be broken...
[10:33:30] <carl-> does someone here know how to "extend" / add  mibs to solaris sma ???
[10:33:31] * TheK_ shakes again..
[10:33:42] <e^ipi> it started life as stepped, but a pipe fitting thing ( the little round bits with the screw to tighten ) and a bean jammed in the release later and it's stepless
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[10:33:47] <Chipdancer> DTEIT: sorry, this is #opencoffee, you meant to join #opensolaris
[10:33:59] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: nice work
[10:34:17] <TheK_> *..brr...*..integrate.. *bzzrr*..Sun Studio.. *bzzr*..GNU toolchain.. *bzzr* intercept IBM toolchain.
[10:34:21] <DTEIT> Chipdancer: ahh..no problem....a cup of coffe for me, please.
[10:34:25] <TheK_> bad reception..
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[10:36:09] <evocallaghan> You guys are on crack
[10:36:24] <palowoda> caffine at least
[10:36:32] <e^ipi> TheK_: what, gcc frontend to studio backend?
[10:36:33] <Doc> i was, but i ran out
[10:36:39] <e^ipi> i think that's a brilliant idea
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[10:36:57] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:What, crack ?
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[10:37:08] <e^ipi> studio code gen is better but gcc frontend compiles more stuff
[10:37:17] <TheK_> e^ipi: exactly
[10:37:40] <codestr0m> e^ipi: what do you think about open64?
[10:38:36] <lkthomas> grrr
[10:38:47] <e^ipi> i don't know enough about it to make any sort of statement
[10:38:50] <lkthomas> build 99 does not contain auto-snapshot for built-in smb server :(
[10:39:18] <codestr0m> it's gcc frontend with pathscale backend.. I've been meaning to test it
[10:39:39] <codestr0m> I hit ICE more often than I want with SS12 and SSX is another issue entirely
[10:40:03] <e^ipi> i'd wager it's still gpl though, which is unfortunate
[10:40:31] <codestr0m> why should that make a technical difference. sun's cc is totally closed source
[10:41:05] <e^ipi> it doesn't really, it'd just be nice to have a non-gpl open compiler out there
[10:41:53] <palowoda> Intel has a compiler that is not gpl and if I remember correct Oracle is dependent on it.
[10:41:54] <codestr0m> they are out there. just not for c99/amd64/optimized.. etc. I'm 100% 1+ for that.. I wish it was a higher prio for sun..
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[10:42:04] <evocallaghan> Are _they_ ever going to open SS ?
[10:42:07] <codestr0m> palowoda: yeah. icc. which is closed source :P
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[10:42:46] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: from SS.. what's really *not* open. since NB is open.. it's just some underlying bits.. and I think they are moving more and more towards depending on gcc anyway
[10:42:49] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: nobody knows what Sun's plans are
[10:42:58] <Chipdancer> evocallaghan: I prefer about 2nd crack, to be honest... I'm a light roast kinda guy
[10:43:05] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: home roaster at all?
[10:43:21] <e^ipi> codestr0m: the "underlying bits" is the compiler
[10:43:43] <e^ipi> codestr0m: the IDE is just some goofy java text editor thrown on top, and that's the open bit
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[10:43:58] <evocallaghan> What has NetBeans got to do with it
[10:44:01] <evocallaghan> Its a IDE
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[10:44:13] <evocallaghan> yea
[10:44:21] <codestr0m> e^ipi: yes.. well if you had to compare sloc I bet that goofy java editor probably has more code that needed auditing before c99, fbe, acomp and friends
[10:44:22] <Chipdancer> ah ha!  BEANS!  YES!  That's the way! :D
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[10:44:58] <evocallaghan> _right..._
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[10:46:30] <e^ipi> codestr0m: you seem to be confounding number of lines of code and difficulty of code
[10:46:57] <e^ipi> you'd make a fine manager, but in reality compilers are a shitton more work than a text editor
[10:47:25] <e^ipi> writing a text editor with syntax highlighting is trivial, you can do it in a couple hours
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[10:47:45] <e^ipi> writing a decent optimizing compiler is slightly less easy
[10:48:00] <codestr0m> e^ipi: you seem to be confusing the *assumed* blocking process to open sourcing it which is probably cost to audit the sloc. (not read it..) that was my point.
[10:48:03] <lkthomas> haha
[10:48:12] <lkthomas> lzjb run a lot faster than expected :P
[10:49:23] <e^ipi> actually the probably blocker is that sun likely doesn't own all the code, and may not wish to disclose details about other non-open things ( or other companies' non-open things) by opening the compiler
[10:49:37] <e^ipi> sun isn't the only sparc vendor, for instance
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[10:50:06] <moazamraja> TheK_: it's not a problem of getting the customers. The problem is picking up the phone when customers call and then making the transaction
[10:50:25] <codestr0m> e^ipi: btw.. if you say comments like "you'd make a fine manager, but in reality compilers are a shitton more work than a text editor" and act like an american. I'll treat you like one.. just fyi
[10:50:42] <evocallaghan> Can't they just open the x86 side of things atleast
[10:50:49] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: probably not
[10:51:18] <fraggeln> evocallaghan: any news on when sxce 100 is out?
[10:51:22] <moazamraja> TheK_: for the record, i'm an Sun ex-employee, and currently a customer who buys large amounts of servers, small, medium and big.
[10:51:52] <e^ipi> codestr0m: it's called a joke. do they not have humour in your country?
[10:52:11] <e^ipi> it's this thing where you make a comment that's not really serious, and we all have a good laugh about it.
[10:52:20] <moazamraja> *chuckle*
[10:52:23] <moazamraja> (see?)
[10:52:37] <codestr0m> e^ipi: sorry I must have missed that episode of canadian airfarce
[10:52:56] <moazamraja> sleep time...2am, damn.
[10:53:16] <e^ipi> moazamraja: clearly you should be buying from resellers
[10:53:19] <e^ipi> like a car...
[10:53:31] <evocallaghan> fraggeln:How would i know, I am not the relase team
[10:54:13] <fraggeln> evocallaghan: maybe some inside info? :)
[10:54:38] <e^ipi> a non-sun person having inside info?
[10:54:46] <evocallaghan> 1sec, i'll ask my door handle of my dorm room
[10:55:07] <fraggeln> e^ipi: ohh, forgot. sun is sun :D
[10:55:16] <e^ipi> ( not slagging on non-sun people, just seemed an odd assertion )
[10:55:18] <evocallaghan> Clearly I should be working for Sun :/
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[11:03:11] <TheK_> moazamraja: interesting. Are you saying Sun won't sell you stuff fast enough when you ask for it?
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[11:14:55] <palowoda> TheK_: interesting.  Are you working for mysql and are interested in Sun sales channels and how they handle sales contracts?
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[11:20:34] <tynar> some help needed with gnu gettext installation from source, anyone experienced this?
[11:22:42] <oxygene> gnu gettext is annoying because it overlaps with system library functions, so you have to be extra careful that library and include paths are properly set
[11:22:48] <oxygene> but building it should be trivial
[11:23:42] <TheK_> palowoda: yes? Why is _that_ interesting? Are you looking for a date? :)
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[11:24:59] <palowoda> TheK_: You couldn't afford me on a date.  Just get your stock up because I have a good chunk of it.
[11:25:08] <oxygene> heh
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[11:34:31] <tynar> Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/msgcmp <<<known issue?
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[11:37:09] <tynar> hey oxygene, any ideas on "ld fatal Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/msgcmp "
[11:39:41] <oxygene> no
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[11:51:24] <dustman> what's analog of hda in solaris?
[11:51:33] <dustman> ops, wrong chan
[11:52:07] <dustman> looks like I'm lost :(
[11:53:10] <dustman> I'm asking because hdb which was shown in Linux is marked as c4d0s0 in zpool config for installation drive
[11:53:18] <oxygene> dustman: they're called by solaris scsi nomenclature. eg. c0t0d0 (channel 0, target 0, device 0), where the numbers might vary. look in /dev/dsk
[11:54:05] <DTEIT> nd also on 32bit x86 arch is named c0d0 (tx is omitted)
[11:54:14] <_mary_kate_> DTEIT: no
[11:54:20] <DTEIT> no?
[11:54:23] <_mary_kate_> the tX is omitted for IDE disks, because they don't have LUNs
[11:54:38] <DTEIT> hdb in linux is ide ;-)
[11:55:20] <_mary_kate_> or SATA, on some kernels
[11:55:47] <DTEIT> uhm...yes...in some very old kernel
[11:56:08] <dustman> quite a bit in /dev/dsk and grepping for c?d?/c?t?d? in dmesg doesn't clarify what is what
[11:56:08] <oxygene> yay linux
[11:56:11] <_mary_kate_> anyway, the dropping of the tX isn't specific to 32-bit x86
[11:56:15] <_mary_kate_> dustman: run 'iostat -En'
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[11:57:56] <dustman> _mary_kate_: thank you
[11:58:08] <dustman> that shows it as c3d0
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[12:34:21] <timsf> any ksh junkies out there?  I'm trying to come up with a ksh replacement for dirname(1)
[12:34:40] <timsf> so dirname this/that/theother returns this/that.
[12:34:54] <timsf> I was trying to mess about with IFS=/ set -A this/that/theother
[12:35:09] <timsf> then iterate through the array, but I clearly haven't had enough coffee yet...
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[12:35:47] <timsf> (IFS doesn't seem to work with arrays, in that arr[0] becomes "this that theother")
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[12:45:49] <CosmicDJ> reinventing the wheel=
[12:45:51] <CosmicDJ> ?
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[12:49:06] <timsf> Nope, just trying to see if a ksh builtin was faster than spawning a ton of dirname processes
[12:49:32] <timsf> [ yes, I'll be writing this in python|perl|awk|java|etc. next time ]
[12:53:22] <oxygene> hmm.. I wrote a fast dirname variant once, but I'm not sure if that was for ksh. let's see if I can find it
[12:54:31] <timsf> cool
[12:55:33] <TomJ> ksh93 or just ksh?
[12:56:01] <TomJ> in ksh93 you can do:   myvar="/this/that/theother" ; echo ${myvar##*/}
[12:56:06] <TomJ> ditto bash
[12:56:19] <timsf> I need ksh really..
[12:56:24] <TomJ> oh wait, it does work in ksh too
[12:56:36] <oxygene> that's what I was searching for. thanks TomJ
[12:56:47] <timsf> Nope, that's not dirname
[12:56:58] <timsf> that's giving you the first component in the path,
[12:57:02] <timsf> not all but the last
[12:57:10] <timsf>  (and yeah, that was the first thing I tried too :-)
[12:57:33] <timsf> timf@xenbld[1022] myvar="/this/that/theother" ; echo ${myvar##*/}
[12:57:33] <timsf> theother
[12:57:33] <timsf> timf@xenbld[1026] dirname this/that/theother
[12:57:33] <timsf> this/that
[12:57:57] <timsf> uh, I mean... anyway, it's not right.
[12:58:15] <TomJ> sorry
[12:58:25] <timsf> no problem!
[12:58:34] <timsf> (it's me asking for help after all!)
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[12:59:07] <TomJ> echo ${myvar%/*}
[12:59:17] <timsf> context here, is that I'm worried about the performance of http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/jds/zfs-snapshot/src/lib/svc/method/zfs-auto-snapshot#753
[12:59:43] <timsf> neato - thanks TomJ!
[13:00:42] <TomJ> that code you pasted isn't safe for filesystems with spaces
[13:00:44] <timsf> I'm probably calling fgrep and egrep a mite too often as well..
[13:00:45] <seanmcg> ksh dirname, http://oreilly.com/catalog/korn2/chapter/ch04.html
[13:00:54] <seanmcg> what TomJ said is in that url
[13:01:11] <timsf> s'alright - these are zfs datasets, so can't have spaces anyway
[13:01:18] <TomJ> they most certainly can
[13:01:33] <timsf> uh, zfs filesystems can, didn't think datasets can...
[13:01:47] <TomJ> data/media/music/Fleetwood Mac                                        1.96G  2.48T  1.96G  /data/media/music/Fleetwood Mac
[13:01:49] <TomJ> oh
[13:01:51] <TomJ> sorry is there a differnece?
[13:02:08] <TomJ> i thought dataset was another name for filesystem
[13:02:21] <timsf> crap.
[13:02:26] <timsf> you're absolutely right.
[13:02:37] <timsf>  I'd thought spaces weren't allows.
[13:02:39] <timsf> allowed.
[13:02:47] <TomJ> I'd recommend [[ instead of [ everywhere
[13:02:51] <TomJ> that's automatically space safe
[13:03:12] <TomJ> e.g:  myvar="hi there" ;  [ $myvar = "hi there" ]  && ..  = fail   but [[ $myvar = "hi there" =  not fail
[13:03:20] <TomJ> (the former can be made safe by doing "$myvar", but [[ is better anyway
[13:03:45] <timsf> cool
[13:05:03] <TomJ> and then just in general always put vars in "$quotes" e.g.  ancestor="${ds%/*}"
[13:05:05] <TomJ> that should cover you
[13:05:14] <timsf> yup
[13:05:20] <asyd> \_o<
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[13:08:16] <Okona> Coffee...
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[13:29:30] <evocallaghan> Fleetwood Mac ay
[13:30:18] <Gekz> \_x<
[13:30:22] <Gekz> asyd: coin coin
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[13:32:43] <evocallaghan> wow this bug is really buging me http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6730694
[13:32:57] <evocallaghan> Has anyone got a package that I can install that fixes this
[13:33:10] <evocallaghan> I hear its fixed in sxce100 ?
[13:33:23] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Do you have sxce100 there?
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[14:12:17] <codestr0m> anyone know of where the patches needed to build gcc 4.3 are? (blog/repo/howto..)
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[14:14:58] <houst0n-_> codestr0m: 4.3.2 is avail through blastwave /testing
[14:15:16] <codestr0m> houst0n-_: is that in IPS?
[14:15:35] <oxygene> patches for gcc-4.3.2?
[14:15:51] <codestr0m> oxygene: yes?
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[14:16:33] <codestr0m> I found a forum posting though.. maybe I'll follow that
[14:16:48] <oxygene> codestr0m: didn't need any
[14:17:05] <oxygene> though I used gnu binutils
[14:17:05] <codestr0m> oxygene: just a spec file? http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=76676&tstart=0
[14:17:12] <codestr0m> ok
[14:17:38] <codestr0m> my target is actually open64, but I'm thinking the build process may be relatively similar
[14:18:08] <oxygene> I don't use spec files
[14:18:10] <codestr0m> so hoping to do short-cuts on the linuxisms of sys/sysctl.h: No such file or directory
[14:18:19] <oxygene> configure/make/make install did its job
[14:18:29] <codestr0m> aha.. gotcha
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[14:42:30] <xRaich[o]2x> anyone in here running opensolaris on a thinkpad sl500?
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[14:45:31] <flip> hey guys --- i installed the 08.11 iso (99) from genunix and it installs np but after its installed it wont restart... it hangs at the grub> prompt
[14:45:34] <flip> any ideas?
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[15:13:06] <TheK_> flip: I did run into this a few days ago.. Don't remember much though. Try bootfs rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-X
[15:13:25] <TheK_> where X is anynumber which comes up :)
[15:13:48] <TheK_> kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix -B $ZFS-BOOTFS
[15:13:49] <flip> im actually reinstalling right now
[15:13:51] <flip> to see whats what
[15:13:56] <TheK_> ok
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[15:30:32] <TomJ> any way to set up metadb without any free slice for it?  using a file or anything?  or maybe  I could carve a little chunk of of the swap partition and make a new slice of that?
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[15:33:23] <CosmicDJ> hm I thought SVM is dead now that even solaris10 supports booting from zfs...
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[15:34:06] <holcomb> tomj: not that i know of
[15:34:08] <TomJ> it doesnt for another two weeks
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[15:34:17] <holcomb> god i can't wait.
[15:34:19] <TomJ> and this box is still on UFS
[15:34:41] <Stric> TomJ: you can carve from swap, yes (if you have slice numbers free)
[15:35:02] <TomJ> yeah that's what I'm trying now
[15:35:11] <TomJ> took 100mb off the end of swap and put it into slice 6
[15:35:15] <TomJ> have to reboot though before I can label, apparently
[15:35:57] <TomJ> thanks
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[15:36:00] <holcomb> you shouldn't have to reboot
[15:36:03] <holcomb> doh
[15:36:04] <jsherwood> just remove the swap device, label, and readd... that should work
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[15:39:13] <digifor> Good evening. What is missing in this zyd Makefile?  for add:    add_drv -n -i '"usb2766,4629"' zyd
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[15:39:40] <digifor> I think there should be another ' but not sure where???
[15:40:14] <oxygene> digifor: no more ' necessary
[15:41:54] <digifor> Still getting "System configuration files modified but zyd driver not loaded or attached."
[15:43:02] <oxygene> in that case, it seems the system found no place to attach the driver to. try reattaching the device
[15:43:46] <digifor> It is built into the laptop
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[15:44:43] <digifor> Do I need to run a command to "unattach" it then reattach it perhaps?
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[15:45:13] <oxygene> rem_drv zyd to get rid of the driver
[15:46:22] <oxygene> digifor: you can also try something like cfgadm -lv, to figure out at which port your device is attached, then cfgadm -c configure usb2/4 (or whatever that port is).. but no idea if that works or if it's even necessary
[15:49:14] <digifor> thanks oxygene not sure either.
[15:49:57] <jsherwood> Does anyone know why I get an error after a clean install of SXCE 99 of "Fatal server error:
[15:49:59] <jsherwood> could not open default font 'fixed' "
[15:50:16] <jsherwood> when bringing up gdm
[15:50:40] <jsherwood> on a Sun ultra 20
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[15:50:52] <digifor> Looks to be usb5/5 connect and configured ok.
[15:51:00] <gergap> hi
[15:51:32] <gergap> I want to compile and link an application against an librarary that I've built before, but I get this error: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[15:51:45] <gergap> does anyone know what this means?
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[15:53:25] <iMax> gergap: die application is 64bit and the lib 32-bit ... or the other way round :)
[15:54:05] <gergap> I build both the same way using cc. How can this happen?
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[15:54:45] <gergap> I'm using -xarch=v9
[15:54:50] <gergap> on SPARC
[15:55:41] <oxygene> jsherwood: known bug with the release
[15:55:55] <gergap> is it possible that the compiler select different configurations for libs and apps per default?
[15:56:20] <jsherwood> oxygene: is there a workaround?
[15:56:23] <oxygene> jsherwood: try /usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir /usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/{fixed,100dpi,75dpi,Type1,TrueType} (or something like that, not at the right box right now)
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[15:58:36] <jsherwood> I'll try it, thanks
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[16:04:56] <jsherwood> doesn't look like that worked, anything else I could try?   Do you have the bug number?
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[16:09:33] <holcomb> hmmm... has anybody thought about writing a db that works directly with the dmu part of zfs?
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[16:16:46] <geronimos> hello
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[16:19:20] <geronimos> please i want know where can i found the opensolaris pakage i don't want you blastwave
[16:19:44] <seanmcg> holcomb, zdb ?
[16:20:03] <holcomb> that's a debugger.
[16:20:32] <seanmcg> thought that was your question.. db.. debugger, instead of database, sorry :)
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[16:20:40] <holcomb> oh hehe
[16:20:44] <timsf> Yeah, I think he means something that talks transactions with the dmu directly, as opposed to going through the ZPL or zvol layers
[16:20:50] <holcomb> right.
[16:21:05] <timsf> I don't know of any, but it wouldn't surprise me if one was being worked on
[16:21:41] <timsf> [ Jeff and Bill talk about the possiblity of this on the SNIA videos ]
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[16:34:10] <holcomb> can the root zpool be a three-way mirror?
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[16:35:43] <Stric> holcomb: shouldn't be a problem
[16:36:12] <holcomb> cool, thanks
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[16:44:58] <digifor1> Now with zyd in the Makefile I have to modify for my current driver according to: $ add_drv -n -i '"usb<vendor_id>,<device_id>"' zyd
[16:45:07] <digifor1> Looking at http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1233838
[16:45:46] <digifor1> I think mine should be: add: add_drv -n -i '"usb2766,4629"' zyd
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[16:46:10] <digifor1> Or am where am I wrong?
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[16:50:25] <iMax> hmm, just upgraded my 2008.05 to 2008.11 development, went suprisingly well it seems
[16:50:32] <poi> On SXCE - I login as root and get a  message - something about "Privileged User, please confirm" . Is there any way to get rid of this reminder/message?
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[16:52:20] <calumb> not that I'm aware of... certainly doesn't seem to be a gconf key that controls it...
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[16:53:59] <zacharym> why do I get a huge box no matter what window manager I run, that lets me switch input methods.. huge and won't go away
[16:54:07] <zacharym> it sits right in the middle of the screen
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[16:56:06] <zacharym> man.. everything is segfaulting... this isn't right
[16:56:15] <calumb> there have been some problems with the way the IM stuff starts up at login (finally fixed in b101, I think), but none of them should leave a "huge box" on your screen... sounds like maybe the IM prefs window has got added to your startup apps somehow...?
[16:56:59] <zacharym> I don't know, I think this is an old release of OpenSolaris and that might explain all my problems
[16:57:09] <zacharym> I realize that this isn't production ready software
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[17:00:32] <CIA-57> Eric Taylor <Eric.Taylor at Sun dot COM>: 6760985 assertion failure with dump device on pool with non-writeable vdev
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[17:40:56] <klg> i needed some help in configuring squid as a transparent proxy on opensolaris
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[17:54:43] <CosmicDJ> klg: what help?
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[17:56:36] <klg> i can install squid on solaris
[17:56:51] <CosmicDJ> yes you can
[17:57:04] <klg> but like we use iptables on linux to setup transparent proxy
[17:57:30] <CosmicDJ> klg: no iptables on solaris; you'll have to use ipfilter (ipnat)
[17:58:10] <klg> i knew that there is no iptables on solaris, but what's the alternative that i didn't knew
[17:58:26] <CosmicDJ> klg: ipnat
[17:58:42] <klg> i was also googleing if there's some howto to setup the proxy stuff, but in vain i couldn't find any
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[17:59:55] <klg> CosmicDJ: basically, i come from the linux world, for all our server needs we've been using linux for web, database & proxy server needs, now i want to get into solaris
[18:00:06] <CosmicDJ> klg: it's a simple rdr rule in ipnat; you should find docs how to conf squid as a transp. proxy
[18:00:25] <CosmicDJ> klg: fine, then go ahead and do this :)
[18:01:23] <klg> CosmicDJ: i've also found something like java system web proxy server , completely unaware of what it is
[18:01:43] <CosmicDJ> so am I
[18:01:50] <Blackknight> solaris is fun
[18:03:26] <kohju> fun!
[18:03:26] <klg> CosmicDJ: thanks for the advice
[18:04:24] <CosmicDJ> klg: just found this on an old freebsd squid server (in ipnat.conf) -> "rdr fxp0 0/0 port www -> 127.0.0.1 port 3128 tcp"
[18:05:34] <CosmicDJ> 0/0 was PPPoE stuff IIRC, replace that with your IP
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[18:09:54] <zacharym> what is iiimx IM Status?
[18:10:08] <zacharym> because it's leaving all kinds of garbage around on the screen
[18:10:18] <oxygene> a tool for internationalized input. eg. chinese
[18:10:31] <zacharym> how do I get rid of it
[18:10:37] <zacharym> I don't need it, and its bugging out
[18:11:42] <sickness> yeah, I've tried opensolaris 2008.11 based on on99 and it has some iii strange daemons, what that distro surely didn't need is other bloatness :(
[18:12:10] <sickness> it's almost as sluggish as vista now :(((
[18:12:30] <oxygene> os2008.11 - you get what you deserve
[18:12:41] <CosmicDJ> sickness: I'm sure our chinese (and japanese etc.) friends don't think so :p
[18:12:55] <zacharym> can I get rid of it
[18:13:00] <oxygene> call the exorcist
[18:13:12] <sickness> CosmicDJ: so make it an option for them to activate it, I think it's not that difficult once you have the daemon installed anyway...
[18:14:13] <zacharym> it doesn't even work correctly
[18:14:24] <sickness> oxygene: lots of things could be easily disabled without the exorcist, it's just that the average linux user who tries the distro doesn't take the time to learn enough to tweak it ad just dismiss it as "slower", when it could be made much much faster by default! and this is a pity imho :/
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[18:15:23] <CosmicDJ> the avg linux user could also be very disappointed when he can't enter his kanji chars...
[18:15:28] <oxygene> given that this distro's target audience is the average linux user, it's really unfortunate that it doesn't appeal to them
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[18:16:41] <sickness> CosmicDJ: not all the "non-us-language" people may want localization and localization tools, for example I'm italian but I hate the it layout and it localization, I'm a lot more comfortable with us layout and ascii c 7bit localization...
[18:17:31] <sickness> oxygene: yeah, if one wants the "legacy" solaris "flavor" he can always use SXCE after all...
[18:17:34] <zacharym> I'm sick of these input method daemons crashing
[18:17:45] <oxygene> luckily, it won't matter much. the average linux user that switches to opensolaris due to indiana is very likely from the redhat-mandrake-suse-gentoo-ubuntu-I-used-them-all crowd, and just ready to jump ship at the next opportunity..
[18:17:52] <oxygene> so they're useless for community building
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[18:18:50] <calumb> you can turn off the IIIM stuff altogether in Preferences-> Input Methods, General tab
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[18:19:21] <calumb> (could certainly be smarter about when it's turned on in the first place, though)
[18:19:30] <sickness> oxygene: well that's not exactly true, if the majority of shops are switching from other unices to linux is also because the average linux user that found linux cdroms inside computer journals is now more comfortable with linux than with a legacy unix, and there's LOTS of people like that, so numbers matter after all...
[18:19:43] <zacharym> would anyone like to see an example of what I am talking about
[18:19:44] <sickness> calumb: oh, so it's a gnome thing? :|
[18:20:12] <oxygene> sickness: not exclusively, it's just hard to get rid of iiim in a non-gnome environment
[18:20:34] <oxygene> luckily, I managed to in my enlightenment packages, but it involved major surgery in the display manager starting scripts for it
[18:20:37] <zacharym> oxygene: that's my problem... KDE or Window Maker ehre
[18:20:58] <Blackknight> our whole company is trained on centos
[18:21:08] <oxygene> sickness: sure, but they'll use opensolaris now and whatever-tux 2009.03 in half a year, because it's more shiney
[18:21:13] <Blackknight> adding another unix just isn't gonna happen
[18:21:17] <oxygene> sickness: that's how they managed to know all those distros above in the first place
[18:21:42] <Blackknight> maybe for storage servers, zfs rules
[18:21:47] <oxygene> sickness: so you cater to them now, and lose them in a couple of months, no matter what.. why waste your time now?
[18:21:54] <sickness> mmm since when this iiim virus infected your packages?!? I never seen or read about that in years, and now I try osol99 and it has it?!? and it's already in all the packages dependencies?!?!? mplayer should be there by default, not this iii thing... </rant>
[18:23:20] <oxygene> sickness: solaris 10 already had it
[18:23:26] <oxygene> FCS, that is
[18:23:44] <zacharym> http://zachary.freeshell.org/snapshot1.png
[18:23:48] <zacharym> there's an example of the issue
[18:23:55] <sickness> oxygene: I started with linux too, in 1998, then switched to openbsd in 2000 and when I got comfortable with the politness and easy of configuration and clean layout of it I never gone back to linux
[18:24:11] <Blackknight> politeness?
[18:24:18] <Blackknight> from Theo?  lol
[18:24:23] <sickness> oxygene: I can swear on my sold I've never seen it when doing a ps in solaris, never =)
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[18:25:05] <Blackknight> RHEL is a pretty nice distro
[18:25:12] <sickness> Blackknight: forget about theo, the system is clean and simple, it's like "the DOS of the unices" if you can grok the silly comparison ;P
[18:25:42] <houst0n-_> netbsd is also very clean
[18:25:49] <Blackknight> they all are
[18:25:52] <sickness> yeah
[18:26:27] <houst0n-_> One of the hurdles I think some people have with solaris is how much bloody stuff is everywhere
[18:26:28] <Blackknight> used to have a netbsd desktop
[18:26:47] <Blackknight> I never notice that stuff until I need it
[18:27:04] <oxygene> sickness: that's a different trail: two of the 3 linux distros back then, then unix. the average linux user history either is "started is X, use X, will use X in 10 years" or "switching distro every few months"
[18:27:21] <Blackknight> disable gdm and it's just another unix box
[18:27:39] <houst0n-_> Have you read any of the rhce cert books?
[18:27:49] <houst0n-_> They actually get you to login to machines via gnome, as root
[18:27:54] <houst0n-_> It's horrible
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[18:28:38] <holcomb> haha
[18:28:54] <zacharym> houst0n-_: are you serious?!
[18:29:03] <houst0n-_> Yep, seen it with my own eyes
[18:29:06] <sickness> oxygene: well anyway I just find that with legacy solaris, 2.7 2.7 and 8 and so on you could just do a ps and *understand* which was what, and why some daemon was started, with some recent bloated linux distros it's all a big mess, and it would be a pity if "indiana" will end like that, just my 2c :')
[18:29:07] <houst0n-_> I'm not sure what book
[18:29:14] <houst0n-_> It mayt have been internal to my company
[18:29:19] <houst0n-_> sick and wrong anyway, though
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[18:29:41] <zacharym> sickness: why would we need another Linux copy?
[18:29:43] <sickness> houst0n-_: damn, so your home gets spammed with countless .foo and .bar directories? nice mess ghgh
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[18:30:07] <houst0n-_> not very nice
[18:30:35] <sickness> zacharym: they seem to have decided that we need another linux copy, so I simply say if we have to have a linux, at least make it a "clean" and "simple" linux instead of a bloated one :|
[18:30:52] <Blackknight> use nexenta
[18:31:07] <houst0n-_> sickness: Talking about opensolaris?
[18:31:11] <Blackknight> I would like to have an install without gnome\
[18:31:15] <houst0n-_> Why do you feel that is another linux?
[18:31:16] <oxygene> sickness: that problem isn't with the distros, it's mostly with the desktop stuff - and that is imported wholesale
[18:31:20] <sickness> Blackknight: I prefer milax, I actually like it more and more =)
[18:31:22] <houst0n-_> becasue of gnome?
[18:31:30] <houst0n-_> milax seems to be great yeah
[18:31:38] <houst0n-_> I've not actually INSTALLED it on anything
[18:31:39] <oxygene> sickness: if it's clean and simple, it wouldn't be a linux clone anymore!
[18:31:42] <houst0n-_> But the livecd rocks
[18:31:49] <holcomb> if, along with ips, they manage to disentangle some of the packaging, that will be possible
[18:31:53] <oxygene> sickness: and please don't request that it actually works!
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[18:32:20] <sickness> houst0n-_: I was just answering to zacharym, anyway if you get a distro with countless daemon started by default which you even lose the meaning I think it's like a modern bloated linux distro :P
[18:32:25] <houst0n-_> Still, kde4 is coming .. sometime
[18:32:45] <oxygene> holcomb: unfortunately, sun seems to have RIFed all the people capable to disentangle the packaging with svr4. well, the linux guys doing ips are probably cheaper..
[18:32:49] <houst0n-_> sickness: Yep, I still don't understand why we nee rpc_ticotsord and ktkt_warn etc all enabled by default
[18:32:56] <holcomb> heh
[18:32:59] <sickness> houst0n-_: I'm using milax for a seed box and some other little things and it's doing great! :)))
[18:33:01] <Blackknight> hmm, I'll have to check out milax
[18:33:07] <Blackknight> does that use IPS?
[18:33:09] <houst0n-_> I spend like 5-10 mins pwning shit off it
[18:33:16] <houst0n-_> Blackknight: It uses blastwave for software
[18:33:18] <houst0n-_> afaik
[18:33:20] <houst0n-_> which rocks
[18:33:29] <sickness> houst0n-_: heh :)
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[18:34:00] <sickness> Blackknight: yeah you can install packages from blastwave's ips list of packages
[18:34:01] <oxygene> houst0n-_: but the svr4 flavor, right?
[18:34:22] <houst0n-_> oxygene: Both may be available, also the bw ips repo is getting pretty badly dated
[18:34:31] <houst0n-_> So go with the svr4 pkgs
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[18:34:53] <Blackknight> hmm
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[18:35:07] <Blackknight> I use blastwave now
[18:35:25] <houst0n-_> I use a combinatino of blastwave and sfe
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[18:35:47] <houst0n-_> blastwave for almost everything, sfe for some kde stuff i'm working on
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[18:36:01] <houst0n-_> like amarok2/phonon/qt4
[18:36:06] <mphill> is opensolaris suitable for for a laptop?
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[18:36:17] <houst0n-_> mphill: I think so, yes
[18:36:34] <houst0n-_> You may feel differently. Make sure to use the hardware checker before you install from the livecd
[18:36:47] <mphill> houst0n-_: thanks.
[18:36:51] <Blackknight> I like nexenta for my servers
[18:37:01] <houst0n-_> I wouldn't use anything but solaris 10 on a server
[18:37:02] <Blackknight> I'm pretty used to debian any way
[18:37:15] <houst0n-_> I
[18:37:27] <houst0n-_> (eeepc keyboard keys are pretty small)
[18:37:31] <sickness> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=70265 <- my experience with milax+IPS :)
[18:37:34] <Blackknight> I don't wanna download a ton of cds
[18:37:47] <Blackknight> and finding a dvd burner is a pain
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[18:38:53] <CosmicDJ> Blackknight: every laptow has one nowadays..
[18:39:04] <CosmicDJ> laptop
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[18:39:28] <houst0n-_> Blackknight: I assume these aren't used in corp?
[18:39:32] <Blackknight> if I owned one, lol
[18:39:33] <jinx099> I am trying to install an older version of a driver, but when I try to install using the full FMRI, the newest version gets installed again
[18:39:40] <Blackknight> well, I work for a web host
[18:39:51] <Blackknight> everything we have runs centos though
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[18:40:13] <Blackknight> I put nexenta on my web server and music server
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[18:41:02] <jinx099> how do I install an older package using IPS?
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[19:13:52] <zacharym> if this iiimx issue doesn't get solved, I'm just going to uninstall
[19:14:01] <zacharym> because it's making the machine nearly unusable
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[19:14:54] <th> how are multiple LUNs handled in nevada? i only see c3::dsk/c3t0d0  but there should be two disks on two luns
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[19:15:58] <oxygene> zacharym: you could just uninstall iiimx
[19:16:03] <erudified> haha hi guys, I've taken a pretty unorthodox approach to installing opensolaris - I don't have any blank CDs and I really wanted to try it out, so I used VirtualBox to install it to my hard disk
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[19:17:20] <erudified> Grub gets installed to the MBR and it seems to be alright, but when I select opensolaris (I used the GUI package manager to upgrade) it just reboots
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[19:17:47] <bradd>  Hi, I have just installed SXCE and I am trying to register my install. I am getting errors 'like you must have a network connection established', which I do. Should I just not register?
[19:17:55] <comay> erudified, that's a common way to install opensolaris
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[19:18:19] <oxygene> comay: installing from a virtual machine onto the bare hardware?
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[19:18:19] <comay> did you happen to follow the release notes after doing the installation but before running the package manager?
[19:18:43] <erudified> comay to be honest, no, I don't think I did
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[19:18:55] <erudified> I was in a half-drunken "must play with opensolaris" haze at the time
[19:19:08] <comay> oxygene, is that what erudified meant?  i think it's being installed into a VM still
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[19:19:38] <erudified> Yeah I used VirtualBox to install directly to the hard drive rather than a filesystem image
[19:19:59] <erudified> and in another twist, I gave up the entire hard drive, and the last 30 gigs of the disk is currently running ubuntu and allowing me to talk to you haha
[19:20:12] <erudified> so it's basically just a huge clusterfsck
[19:20:16] <comay> erudified, it's best to do a reinstall and follow http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/relnotes/200805/x86/#Update_Inst
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[19:20:42] <comay> erudified, interesting
[19:20:47] <e^ipi> decidedly un-fun: driving around lost in the suburbs
[19:21:31] <erudified> yeah it's not a big deal at all, my other laptop drive is what I use for work
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[19:25:48] <erudified> comay, hey I know it's 99% likely that you're right and I do need to run those commands, but the first thing the GUI manager does is upgrade SUNWipkg and SUNWipkg-gui
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[19:29:25] <erudified> Is it possible that my rebooting after selecting grub entry problem may have been because I didn't let ZFS use the entire device?
[19:29:37] <comay> i don't think so
[19:29:44] <erudified> okay
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[19:29:55] <erudified> I just hate to reinstall for the 3rd time but I'll read the release notes and try again
[19:29:58] <comay> you can try booting under the kernel debugger (edit the grub kernel$ line and add " -k" to the end)
[19:30:21] <zacharym> I've just tried to remove iiimx using its control panel, and have disabled it, yet it keeps running
[19:30:30] <erudified> well comay if I reboot at this point hte partition table no longer knows about this ubuntu installation
[19:31:03] <oxygene> zacharym: the control panel setting only applies to gnome
[19:31:15] <erudified> so I'm going to reinstall from virtualbox one more time and if it fails I'll just go buy a blank cd lol
[19:31:32] <zacharym> oxygene: so anybody using something other than JDS is S.O.L.?
[19:32:09] <zacharym> oxygene: I'm not trying to whine or anything, but this iiimx makes any other window manager pretty much useless
[19:32:13] <oxygene> zacharym: unless they know what to do
[19:32:15] <zacharym> because the screen fills up with artifacts
[19:32:37] <oxygene> I know that effect
[19:33:41] <zacharym> I guess I have to read up on Solaris... I've been using it the last few years... about 4 years ago I got bit buy a bug, and was interested in buying some Sun hardware. I've decided to migrate over to it on my main workstation.
[19:34:22] <zacharym> I like Solaris, but this iiimx issue is very frusterating.. I did a ps -ef to see if some sort of daemon was controlling it.. but it isn't in the output.
[19:34:33] <erudified> it needs moar xorg1.5 + alsa imho
[19:34:46] <oxygene> zacharym: which display manager are you using for login?
[19:34:53] <zacharym> dtlogin
[19:35:09] <zacharym> I installed KDE3 and WindowMaker via Blastwave, and both have this artifact issue.
[19:35:15] <oxygene> zacharym: go to /etc/dt/config
[19:35:18] <zacharym> ok
[19:35:33] <sickness> erudified: maybe you need to do something like a touch /reconfigure when you install from different hardware?
[19:35:37] <zacharym> I'm there
[19:35:39] <oxygene> zacharym: there are various scripts responsible for starting the various desktops. look for things like kde-phase2 (or something like that)
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[19:35:56] <oxygene> erm.. Xsession.kde3-phase2 or so
[19:35:57] <th> Areca ARC-1260   PCIe controller (16 SATA ports) works pretty much out of the box with nevada-b99
[19:36:23] <th> although it does not show the disk serial numbers as the supermicro 8-port does (marvel)
[19:36:39] <erudified> sickness, yeah it's probably something like that, I'll google, thx
[19:37:15] <zacharym> oxygene: nothing of that nature
[19:38:12] <oxygene> zacharym: anything with kde in its name there?
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[19:39:44] <oxygene> zacharym: also look in C/Xresources.d/ for some kde related file. if there is one (there _really_ should be one), the line starting with Dtlogin*altDtStart: gives the script that is called
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[19:42:32] <zacharym> ah
[19:42:38] <zacharym> they're in /etc/dt for csw
[19:43:14] <axisys> what is a good tool for io performance testing on a lab env?
[19:43:19] <axisys> filebench ?
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[19:45:06] <oxygene> zacharym: okay, if I remember it right, you have to set the following variables in the script to silence iiim (and yes, that's a hack, using a non-existing manager as "replacement"): XIM=htt GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim XMODIFIERS="@im=$XIM" export XIM GTK_IM_MODULE XMODIFIERS
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[19:59:16] <CIA-57> Neil Perrin <Neil.Perrin at Sun dot COM>: 6761624 Replay of large truncations can hang.
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[20:00:38] <trochej> Coffee
[20:01:25] <bradd> trochej, no Coffee.. espresso only
[20:01:57] <trochej> Isn't espresso a kind of coffee?
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[20:02:08] <trochej> Or am I ignorant again?
[20:02:14] <bradd> well I guess.. Coffee it is then
[20:02:18] <trochej> :)
[20:02:42] <trochej> God. Those Sun Rays are heavy
[20:06:19] <e^ipi> i guess
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[20:15:13] <CosmicDJ> heavy? IIRC they're quite small and light ;)
[20:16:32] <e^ipi> i think he means compared to the size
[20:16:37] <e^ipi> but still, they're pretty light
[20:17:13] <CosmicDJ> + silent, low power consumption...
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[20:21:16] <houst0n-> I should hopefully be deploying some sunrays before the end of the year
[20:21:25] <houst0n-> Never played with one tbh
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[20:21:32] <houst0n-> Everyone i've spoken to who has lubbs the things
[20:21:36] <e^ipi> they're pretty neat
[20:21:48] <houst0n-> I like the idea of tying it in with my security pass
[20:22:05] <houst0n-> so come in, prox. reader on ext doors .. plug card into sunray - there's my session from last night or w/e
[20:22:14] <e^ipi> yep
[20:22:21] <houst0n-> I saw a demo where some win and solaris software was running at the same time
[20:22:25] <houst0n-> how does that work? vm or something?
[20:22:32] <e^ipi> RDP i'd assume
[20:22:38] <e^ipi> SSGD does the same thing
[20:22:43] <CosmicDJ> vmware?
[20:22:48] <e^ipi> ( connects to an RDP server, i mean )
[20:22:50] <houst0n-> Hmm temr services or ica or something
[20:22:56] <erudified> Under windows I can use andLinux to run linux at near native speeds
[20:23:01] <e^ipi> yeah, terminal services
[20:23:05] <houst0n-> I hope it can do citrix, we have a gazallion citrix machines
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[20:23:20] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: or xen, or set up another machine, or whatever
[20:23:33] <houst0n-> I don't use windows or linux unless I really have to
[20:23:34] <houst0n-> i.e work
[20:23:37] <e^ipi> i had SSGD connecting to a windows xen domu
[20:23:41] <e^ipi> just for kicks
[20:23:50] <e^ipi> worked pretty well
[20:24:01] <houst0n-> Blah I wanted a windows xen domu, I don't have vt extensions tho
[20:24:07] <erudified> I actually like Windows
[20:24:09] <Stric> houst0n-: rays are good for some things, bad for some.. they add latency and you can pretty much forget video etc
[20:24:24] <erudified> I think it's alright.. sometimes *nix just seems overwrought
[20:24:28] <trochej> I have to drag those rays to the conference site and back home and then send them back to Sun
[20:24:31] <trochej> They ARE heavy. :)
[20:24:33] <houst0n-> Stric: video isn't important really, I'll always have a laptop for watching Heroes in the office ;)
[20:24:40] <cypromis> the rays are heavy ?
[20:24:53] <CosmicDJ> http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2007/01/sun-ray-x4600-vmware-esx-stories-from.html
[20:25:03] <Stric> cypromis: weigh like a kilo or so
[20:25:06] <e^ipi> nah, they're about a kilo
[20:25:08] <erudified> blog testimonials, there's no stronger endorsement
[20:25:18] <oxygene> Stric: one of the sun remote desktop offerings just got (fast) video support, I think
[20:25:57] <houst0n-> I wonder if I can swing one of the laptop stylee ones
[20:26:19] <Stric> oxygene: I saw something about "off-screen" rendering of opengl and feeding that to the rays or somesuch..
[20:27:00] <houst0n-> oxygene: I read some blog a while ago that they got hd video playing on one .. it had a silly fast network connection between it and the server though =)
[20:27:35] <e^ipi> likely not the internet to a server halfway across the continent
[20:27:43] <CosmicDJ> Stric: "Sun Visualization System"
[20:27:45] <e^ipi> which is what i'm on now... "paintpaintpaint"
[20:28:21] <e^ipi> though remarkably responsive considering the latency
[20:28:25] <oxygene> e^ipi: "Buffering...."
[20:29:06] <houst0n-> sun visualization system ... I really hope that'd related to songbird ;) hehe
[20:29:12] <e^ipi> my "regular office" (which I've never been to) is pretty far away so that might have something to do with it but I don't know
[20:29:24] <CosmicDJ> you can't really buffer interactive graphic apps :) think of rotating smth with the mouse..
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[20:30:20] <CosmicDJ> Stric: http://www.sun.com/servers/cr/visualization/shared.jsp
[20:30:42] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: it was a realplayer joke.
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[20:31:08] <CosmicDJ> ah ok, I didn't read everything...
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[20:36:36] <trochej> Depends on the model. Ones that I have, integrated wioth LCD, are built on a heavy metal leg
[20:37:01] <trochej> It's definatley more that 1 kg
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[20:37:48] <CosmicDJ> less than 1 kg -> http://www.sun.com/sunray/sunray2/
[20:38:47] <CosmicDJ> 5kg -> http://www.sun.com/sunray/sunray270/index.xml
[20:39:50] <trochej> CosmicDJ: Yup, I have five of the seond one, + keyboards + other paraphernalia + Sun Java Workstation W2100z
[20:39:55] <trochej> IT is heavy. :)
[20:39:59] <holcomb> haha
[20:40:46] <CosmicDJ> trochej: they are desktops after all, not laptops :p
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[20:55:35] <bradd> does anyone have experience with sound playback in SXCE? I have added the audioemu driver and wish gnome to play back using the device it creates
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[21:14:19] * codestr0m is reading something very interesting http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/codelayout.html
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[21:17:00] <bradd> wow. this is probably true for most architectures
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[21:33:28] <jbk> hmmm. i thought there was a place you could set a comment for a zone.. but i don't see it in zonecfg
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[21:36:52] <mib_mb9xsz> I'm setting up a new OS box and took my usual first step of disabling nwam and configuring a static IP, but I'm not having any luck getting traffic in or out
[21:37:13] <mib_mb9xsz> ifconfig shows the interface has the correct IP and is up and running
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[21:37:57] <mib_mb9xsz> can't even ping ips on the local LAN. what should I check?
[21:38:18] <ondre> ping 127.0.0.1
[21:39:21] <mib_mb9xsz> alive
[21:39:49] <ondre> ping your defaultgateway next
[21:39:51] <mib_mb9xsz> ping 192.168.1.233 (device's IP) is alive too
[21:40:07] <mib_mb9xsz> nada
[21:40:14] <ondre> netstat -rn
[21:40:21] <mib_mb9xsz> looks correct
[21:40:34] <mib_mb9xsz> unfortunately not easy for me to paste :P
[21:41:04] <ondre> hrm I dunno then... this is a new install?'
[21:41:22] <mib_mb9xsz> yep
[21:41:31] <mib_mb9xsz> lemme relay the routes
[21:41:57] <ondre> that's ok, I don't need to know your routing table
[21:42:05] <ondre> try sys-unconfig
[21:42:08] <ondre> then reconfigure it
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[21:43:49] <mib_mb9xsz> i'm comparing my routing table to a working box
[21:44:00] * mib_mb9xsz routing is not my strong suit
[21:44:08] <ondre> well there should be an entry labeled default
[21:44:11] <ondre> with your default router in it
[21:44:15] <mib_mb9xsz> yep
[21:44:17] <mib_mb9xsz> that's first
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[21:44:25] <mib_mb9xsz> second is local subnet
[21:44:26] <ondre> just try this and save yourself the headaches: # sys-unconfig
[21:44:31] <mib_mb9xsz> and local IP
[21:44:32] <mib_mb9xsz> ok
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[21:45:00] <CosmicDJ> route get default
[21:45:02] <mib_mb9xsz> this will go back to nwam on?
[21:45:09] <mib_mb9xsz> unconfiging
[21:45:12] <ondre> not sure what nwam is
[21:45:22] <mib_mb9xsz> network auto magic
[21:45:24] <ondre> but that will rewrite all your essential networking files
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[21:45:51] <mib_mb9xsz> the garbage that prevents you from setting static IPs in OpenSolaris
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[21:49:00] <DottorZero> I have a problem, opensolaris starts, but xvm doesn't boot it hangs before that I can see the hostname line, how can I debug this ?
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[21:52:57] <mib_mb9xsz> sys-unconfig is nice :)
[21:53:40] <ondre> I use it when I have to move a workstation to a differenet subnet
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[21:55:49] <mib_mb9xsz> we'll see if it works, but it's way easier than making all those changes manually
[21:56:05] <mib_mb9xsz> and less room for error
[21:56:37] <mib_mb9xsz> that'll be on my list for next OS install. 1. Install 2. sys-unconfig
[21:57:19] <mib_mb9xsz> worked, thx ondre
[21:57:23] <ondre> np
[21:59:34] <CIA-57> Sudheer A <Sudheer.Abdul-Salam at Sun dot COM>: 6718194 prstat reports incorrect %cpu on quad core amd systems
[22:03:46] <erudified> b99 seems a lot faster at scp'ing files, nice
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[22:06:09] <holcomb> niagara?
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[22:14:38] <vmlemon_> Out of interest, does anyone know where abouts the actual uname "OS name" string (i.e. "SunOS") is stored? From looking at the utsname.h, and /usr/src/lib/libbc/libc/sys/common/uname.c files, although I can find are a bunch of vague #defines referring to numbers, and some mentions about SVR4
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[22:15:20] <vmlemon_> (_SYS_NMLN, SYS_NMLN and NEW_SYS_NMLN)
[22:15:50] <vmlemon_> *whereabouts
[22:16:02] <vmlemon_> *all
[22:16:07] <vmlemon_> Damn typos
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[22:21:45] <vmlemon_> Never mind, I've just figured out where it's hidden in the depths of the Solaris codebase
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[22:33:07] <codestr0m> when enabling  profiling collect for a daemon based app (-xprofile=collect:app.profile -xipo -o app *.c) what's the easiest/best way to get smf  to save the test data in some central location.. ? (app < /var/log/profile_data/foo_data)
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[22:50:56] <ciapsadm> Hi
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[22:51:28] <ciapsadm> Can I install OpenSolaris 1 single CD?
[22:51:52] <ciapsadm> I download os200805.iso
[22:52:09] <_mary_kate_> yes, 2008.05 is only a single cd
[22:52:17] <ciapsadm> Ok
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[22:57:49] <codestr0m> vmlemon_: or you could have tried cat /etc/release?
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[22:58:01] <codestr0m> or did you mean something else?
[22:59:51] <_mary_kate_> i think hke wants to know where '5.10' comes from in the first place
[23:00:49] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: isn't that hard coded during the O/N build?
[23:01:01] <codestr0m> it's an option you don't want to change. I know that
[23:01:27] <_mary_kate_> i know VERSION comes from the build, perhaps RELEASE does too
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[23:06:30] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: I'm sure you do a lot/some c coding.. what do you find is the best practice for enabling and collecting the profile data in some unobtrusive manner. ? suggestions
[23:06:42] <_mary_kate_> codestr0m: for ON, i have no idea, i don't do ON development
[23:06:48] <houst0n-> Anyone know what the diff between snv_100 and snv_100a is?
[23:06:51] <_mary_kate_> for other stuff, i like Studio's performance analyser
[23:07:07] <_mary_kate_> houst0n-: i believe (not certain) 100a is recompiled with a newer studio to fix a bug in the new compiler
[23:07:37] <houst0n-> Ahh crap, newer than cc: Sun C 5.9 SunOS_i386 Patch 124868-07 2008/10/07
[23:07:39] <houst0n-> ?
[23:08:15] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: yeah. well I was referring to -xprofile=collect:app.profile -xipo.. not sure if you were talking about another tool?
[23:08:36] <codestr0m> houst0n-: you're building ON or?
[23:08:57] <houst0n-> ON
[23:09:20] <codestr0m> I'm not sure why, but what's your goal..?
[23:09:22] <_mary_kate_> codestr0m: collect(1) and analyzer(1)
[23:09:47] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: ok. thanks.. yeah. was reading about collect earlier
[23:09:53] <houst0n-> I'm fooling with some usb stuff out of boredom/curiosity - but that's irrelivant really
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[23:10:31] <codestr0m> houst0n-: ok. well if you're messing with opensolaris.sh or need tips on the settings.. some around here may be able to help
[23:11:02] <houst0n-> Nah I'm good, was just curious what the 100a was all about
[23:11:04] <_mary_kate_> intel VTune isn't bad either, but there's no solaris version
[23:11:33] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: I was looking at open64 (the pathscale opensource bits) earlier and thinking to port it
[23:11:48] <houst0n-> I really think there should be more communication from sun (perhaps via opensolaris.org) on any delays around ON or the SXCE releases
[23:11:56] <codestr0m> I *really* don't like the toolchain not being open and we both know the quality of gcc
[23:12:01] <houst0n-> Esp. if they really want a community...
[23:12:02] <_mary_kate_> if you're profiling something specific, you can also use dtrace
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[23:12:22] <codestr0m> houst0n-: they don't care about a community as far as I can tell to be frank and honest
[23:12:27] <_mary_kate_> codestr0m: i primary develop C++, so i don't use studio much
[23:12:29] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: yes
[23:12:33] <houst0n-> It would appear so.
[23:12:38] <houst0n-> Anyway I'm out, laters
[23:12:41] <codestr0m> houst0n-: pm if you want details
[23:12:53] <houst0n-> I've heard enough =)
[23:13:02] <codestr0m> was going to give some helpful advice
[23:13:06] <codestr0m> your choice
[23:13:08] <houst0n-> Hmm?
[23:13:12] <houst0n-> On what?
[23:13:21] <houst0n-> I do enjoy helpful advice
[23:13:24] <houst0n-> ;)
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[23:29:08] <jbk> since solaris doesn't have anything do any linux live cds have things that can (relatively) safely shrink an NTFS partition? (so I can dual boot sxce on this thing)
[23:30:29] <vmlemon_> You could try the GParted LiveCD
[23:30:51] <vmlemon_> (Comes in handy sometimes for resizing and shrinking partitions)
[23:31:07] <ondre> yeah just burn or put gparted livecd on a cd or usb key
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[23:50:04] <mib_mb9xsz> how can i see a list of disks in my system?
[23:50:13] <mib_mb9xsz> where they live in /dev that is
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