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[00:02:42] <spiff> I'm having some problems with a zone stuck in a "down" state, there's no way to boot or halt it...any ideas?
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[00:12:13] <hspaans> spiff: the door is broken?
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[00:16:26] <spiff> hspaans: huh?
[00:17:10] <hspaans> spiff: the door is special device to function between the global and non-global zone
[00:17:30] <spiff> oh.
[00:17:41] <spiff> well, ok? :)
[00:17:44] <hspaans> spiff: in some situations the state in the kernel is incorrect (had it once now)
[00:17:51] <hspaans> init 6 fixed ;-)
[00:18:08] <spiff> this happens every time I halt this zone.
[00:18:37] <hspaans> sounds like your installation is fubar
[00:18:42] <spiff> and there are no global procs locking in it
[00:18:49] <spiff> perhaps..
[00:18:58] <spiff> sounds strange though.
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[00:19:15] <hspaans> sol10 or sxce?
[00:19:45] <spiff> sxce snv_97
[00:20:13] <spiff> blah, I really don't want to reboot the server
[00:20:49] <hspaans> but you say halt, you halted the zone?
[00:21:06] <spiff> no actually, I did call reboot
[00:21:28] <spiff> then I tried to halt it when it was down
[00:22:54] <spiff> last log line: rpcbind: [ID 564983 daemon.error] rpcbind terminating on signal.
[00:23:05] <spiff> thats about it.
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[00:26:30] <hspaans> nice
[00:27:02] <hspaans> but its time for sleep();
[00:33:18] <ahmed-tux> it's possibel to install wabcam under opensolaris ??
[00:33:24] <ahmed-tux> webcam ?
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[00:47:33] <ahmed-tux> please if someone can help me , i want see all my partition
[00:47:55] <ahmed-tux> cat /etc/vfstab doesn't give all
[00:48:11] <ahmed-tux> it give's me onlt the pation auto mount
[00:48:27] <nowhere_man> hey guys, I get a kernel panic when booting 2008.05 CD in a Xen HVM guest, could anyone take a look at the error message?
[00:48:29] <nowhere_man> http://pthierry.pck.nerim.net/~pierre/2008/10/opensolaris/xen-hvm-1.png
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[00:51:23] <ahmed-tux> how can i see my partition tabel under solaris please
[00:52:48] <Tilt> ahmed-tux, fdisk
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[00:53:42] <ahmed-tux> Tilt: But fdist doen't give me anything , maybe i write fdisk -l or fdisk -F it doesn't help me
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[00:54:59] <ahmed-tux> /dev/hda1    83    linux     (my /boot)
[00:54:59] <ahmed-tux> /dev/hda2        solaris
[00:54:59] <ahmed-tux> /dev/hda3    a5    FreeBSD
[00:55:08] <ahmed-tux> i want see it like that
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[00:55:18] <th> ahmed-tux: perhaps you will like prtvtoc
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[00:55:57] <nexnode> what's better about info: linux vs solaris?
[00:56:15] <ahmed-tux> cause i have other solaris partition in my system and in /etc /dsk i have a loooooooooooooooooot partition i don't know wht i chose
[00:57:20] <th> ahmed-tux: see cfgadm(1m) and format(1m) as well
[00:57:32] <seanmcg> ahmed-tux, from solaris, try fdisk -W - /dev/dsk/<disk>p0
[00:57:50] <ahmed-tux> thank you allllll
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[01:03:03] <ahmed-tux> nexnode: they're betters no need to compare i think
[01:04:19] <nexnode> ahmed-tux, okay, i used before fedora linux, how you think - it's hard to use solaris?
[01:04:38] <nexnode> just don't know *nix as well..
[01:04:49] <Tilt> it's hard for me to use linux.... it's all relitive
[01:04:52] <ahmed-tux> nexnode: fedora it's easy too like mandriva
[01:05:13] <ahmed-tux> i'm used gentoo and slack and i have sometime problem with solaris here
[01:05:24] <Tilt> also, it depends on what you expect from the operating system
[01:05:39] <nexnode> okay, guys.. just tell me somethings, solaris - it's not linux, right?
[01:05:50] <Tilt> nexnode, joke ?
[01:06:03] <ahmed-tux> nexnode: yes it deosn't same at alllllllllllllllllllllll
[01:06:03] <Tilt> linux is NOT unix
[01:06:13] <nexnode> i mean another..
[01:06:47] <Tilt> solaris is a real unix....
[01:07:03] <nexnode> Tilt, thanks.
[01:07:21] <Tilt> classicly linux was striving to be unix like
[01:07:22] <nexnode> my question was about that..
[01:07:32] <Tilt> solaris long pre-dates linux
[01:08:16] <nexnode> by the way, sorry for offtopic, okay? what do you think about ubuntu? just interesting..
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[01:08:32] <Tilt> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/
[01:08:48] <nexnode> no need links..
[01:08:52] <nexnode> just opinions.
[01:08:53] <ahmed-tux> nexnode: ubuntu it's linux ditrub for beginer
[01:09:11] <Tilt> ubuntu makes for a decent workstation for most casual users
[01:09:16] <ahmed-tux> nexnode: easy then win but stable and good
[01:09:43] <Tilt> i personaly havn't run it in anything but a virtual box, but i know ppl who run and enjoy it
[01:10:00] <nexnode> okay, thanks guys for the info.. but, can i use solaris if i'm beginner of *nix systems?
[01:10:01] <houst0n-_> nexnode: You're unlikely to get an entirely unbiased opinion on linux in here, or solaris in ##linux
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[01:10:25] <Tilt> i'll admit i'm VERY biased
[01:10:37] <ahmed-tux> nexnode: yes you can , and if you have prob the guys here will help you
[01:10:40] <Tilt> i dislike linux to my very core
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[01:10:51] <Tilt> but i like to think i'm objective on most questions
[01:10:59] <nexnode> thanks a lot!
[01:11:11] <Tilt> like windows, it serves it's niche
[01:11:42] <houst0n-_> Tilt: Fairly big niche ;)
[01:11:54] <Tilt> linux... nah
[01:12:04] <houst0n-_> linux just doesn't feel right
[01:12:16] <Tilt> it does very nicely as an economic solution to many companies
[01:12:16] <houst0n-_> + it's missing too many features these days
[01:12:21] <houst0n-_> ;)
[01:12:22] <houst0n-_> good for embedded stuff
[01:12:37] <nexnode> sorry, my english it's sucks.. but it's really to begin learn unix from solaris? need some books, though RTFM / man? :)
[01:13:11] <houst0n-_> nexnode: It's not that hard, play with it, break it, fix it etc
[01:13:14] <Tilt> solaris does many thing in a solaris way...
[01:13:31] <houst0n-_> there's an entire world of man pages awaiting you
[01:13:40] <Tilt> don't expect to learn solaris and then be able to sit down at an aix machine and use it ;)
[01:13:47] <nexnode> okay, guys.. what's about httpd, php, perl and mysql, there's exist there?
[01:13:47] <ahmed-tux> Tilt: i see that you hate linux at all , did you have problem with someoen use linux ??
[01:14:35] <Tilt> nexnode, i saw a nice walkthrough on setting up a AMP install on solaris just the other day using only packages on ipkg
[01:15:05] <houst0n-_> you'll pick it up fast, unless your brain has been totally fried by gnu\linux
[01:15:05] <houst0n-_> ugh aix
[01:15:05] <houst0n-_> aix+hpux I've never enjoyed going near
[01:15:05] <houst0n-_> People actually use opensolaris 2008.XX as a server?
[01:15:05] <houst0n-_> Or just for local dev?
[01:15:51] <benley> aix isn't completely awful
[01:15:57] <benley> or at least it wasn't a couple of years ago
[01:16:13] <houst0n-_> I hear ibm's new power chips are pretty impressive
[01:16:49] <houst0n-_> Anyway /me out
[01:16:52] <houst0n-_> cya folks
[01:16:57] <Tilt> ciao
[01:17:11] <nexnode> houst0n-_bb
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[01:30:02] <fraggeln> houst0n-_: I use a sxde 79a as a server :)
[01:37:02] <Tilt> you should try 99
[01:37:18] <Tilt> i don't know why but it's 100x more responsive on my machine
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[01:45:53] <Tilt> 
VERSION

[01:46:04] <Tilt> omg... oops
[01:46:09] <Tilt> sorry
[01:46:21] <Plazma> uhhh
[01:46:25] <Plazma> not cool
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[01:46:52] <Tilt> i ment to type /version to see what version the ircd was on here, i find it intresting
[01:47:49] <Plazma> it's hyperion something
[01:48:12] <Tilt> yah
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[01:48:24] <Tilt> the services are very simple
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[01:49:20] <Tilt> when i type it right.... i get the right answer
[01:49:25] <Tilt> ::: Client: ircII EPIC5-0.3.9 (Commit Id: 1562) (Internal Version: 20080626)
[01:49:25] <Tilt> ::: Server leguin.freenode.net: hyperion-1.0.2b(382). iMZ dncrTS/v4
[01:50:22] <Plazma> and why are you telling us in this room
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[01:50:42] <Tilt> trying to stimulate conversation
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[01:56:08] <Tilt> does this Segnale007 always just join here then quit over and over
[01:56:21] <Segnale007> sorry
[01:56:40] <Segnale007> I got some problems
[01:56:49] <Tilt> hehe
[01:56:59] <Tilt> what's the problem ?
[01:57:47] <Segnale007> with my dns server
[01:57:56] <Segnale007> but I guess I fixed it
[01:59:12] <CIA-57> andrew.rutz at sun dot com: 6665026 libsmedia makes connection to nodename, not localhost
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[02:15:02] <freetown> morning all
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[02:30:56] <nexnode> night..
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[03:59:12] <CIA-57> rui zang - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Aaron.Zang at Sun dot COM>: 6759258 virtual consoles confused i.inittab
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[04:41:30] <austin__> howdy, I'm working on compiling Wine, which after a few headaches is seemingly working. While trying to fix a bug in Wine, I got a crash, but it seems the debugging stacktrace was automatically stripped out
[04:42:02] <austin__> any ideas why that would be/how to fix it?
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[04:59:12] <CIA-57> Roger A. Faulkner <Roger.Faulkner at Sun dot COM>: 6759957 reduce the initial TLS demands on memory
[04:59:12] <CIA-57> pengcheng chen - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Pengcheng.Chen at Sun dot COM>: 6756491 iwk has no quiesce(), 6759524 iwk: rx sensitivity calibration warning on boot
[04:59:13] <CIA-57> pengcheng chen - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Pengcheng.Chen at Sun dot COM>: 6735662 ipw driver double free RX/TX buffers on allocation failure
[05:02:27] <jbk> austin__: was -g used?
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[06:32:57] <jbk> hmm.. not finding any documentation on this... can a zone's root be on nfs?
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[06:45:13] <Tilt> intresting.... i put a CD in and it was screwed up.... it never mounted it... i ended up having to use "eject" to eject it (the button on the cd-rom wouldn't work)... now nothing will auto mount
[06:45:28] <Tilt> know what program was doing that so i can restart it
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[06:46:37] <brianski> is there a beta iso of 2008.11 ?
[06:47:06] <Tilt> clarify ?
[06:47:34] <Tilt> it's not nov yet... so not that i've seen
[06:49:05] <_mary_kate_> brianski: yes
[06:49:15] <brianski> just saw a review of 2008.11's recent progress on phoronix, and wondered if there was an iso, or if you had to install 2008.05 and upgrade
[06:49:21] <_mary_kate_> http://genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0811-99.iso
[06:49:26] <brianski> _mary_kate_: where do i get it?
[06:49:28] <Tilt> oh wow, look at that
[06:49:33] <brianski> thanks!
[06:54:02] <Tilt> what are the "in-preview" disks ?
[06:54:42] <_mary_kate_> in-preview?
[06:55:08] <_mary_kate_> probably older betas
[06:55:14] <Tilt> all files in there with the beta release
[06:56:39] <Tilt> do you happen to know what application is automounting disks when i insert them, i thought it was autofs, but the more i poke around the less i think that that is what's doing it
[06:56:45] <_mary_kate_> volfs
[06:56:52] <Tilt> thanks
[06:57:19] <Tilt> svc:/system/filesystem/rmvolmgr:default right ?
[06:59:32] <Tilt> sweet that fixed it, thanks
[07:00:23] <Tilt> but oddly enough i no longer have the "eject" option on right click... but i can deal with that
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[07:57:57] <sickness> morning all
[07:58:53] <freetown> stay away
[07:59:09] <sickness> lolz
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[07:59:24] <freetown> a good afternoon to you sickness
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[08:22:38] <phimic> hello all
[08:23:00] <phimic> i have a little problem with opensolaris and my static network configuration
[08:23:18] <phimic> the nic module ist loaded "elx10"
[08:23:43] <phimic> i disabled nwam and enabled physical network with svcadm
[08:24:31] <trochej> We follow so far
[08:24:34] <trochej> :)
[08:24:35] <trochej> Coffee?
[08:24:42] <phimic> i created a /etc/hostname.elx10, /etc/defaultrouter, /etc/resolv.conf and modified /etc/nsswitch.conf (host: files dns)
[08:24:48] <phimic> trochej: no ;)
[08:25:04] <freetown> it's probably his sixth today
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[08:25:30] <phimic> ping and nslookup did not work
[08:25:47] <freetown> interface up and configured?
[08:26:00] <phimic> ifconfig -a gives me
[08:27:21] <phimic> elx10: flags201000843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4> mtu 1500 index 2 inet IP netmask ffffff00 broadcast BCAST ether 0:0:f0: ...
[08:27:49] <phimic> IP and BCAST is setup correct
[08:28:05] <freetown> but netmask is not?
[08:28:22] <x58> That looks to be 255.255.255.0
[08:28:38] <phimic> yes this is the right one
[08:29:05] <freetown> does ping ip work?
[08:29:46] <phimic> no
[08:30:17] <phimic> but the gnome-network-manager in tray says packages sent but not receive
[08:30:30] <phimic> i tried to ping the gateway
[08:31:48] <phimic> btw i use opensolaris-0811-99
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[08:39:21] <trochej> phimic: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4554/ipconfig-2?a=view
[08:39:34] <trochej> phimic: Modify the /etc/inet/netmasks file, if you are manually configuring network clients. Or, supply the netmask to the Solaris installation program.
[08:40:09] <lkthomas> guys, if I changed compression method on zfs, does mv command help to convert from old compression format to new one ?
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[08:43:05] <phimic> trochej: i checkd the file /etc/inet/netmask it says "132.230.7.0    255.255.255.0" that should be right
[08:46:47] <trochej> Hmm
[08:48:07] <trochej> then I'm lost
[08:48:13] <freetown> aye aye
[08:48:27] <trochej> Coffee
[08:48:31] <trochej> And it's second today
[08:48:35] <freetown> :D
[08:49:21] <phimic> i checked the services and saw that in.routed is disabled may that be the reason?
[08:50:12] <phimic> same to legancy routing service  for ipv4
[08:51:39] <freetown> that should not prevent you from pinging your gateway
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[08:52:03] <freetown> and besides...i don't think you want to run a routing daemon
[08:54:50] <phimic> freetown: hmm i dont knwo why it not work, maybe my notebook is to old :)
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[08:55:33] <phimic> is there a cisco compatible vpn client already installed in os?
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[08:55:50] <phimic> maybe i can try the wifi
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[09:08:36] <DTEIT> morning
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[09:10:04] <trochej> Coffee
[09:10:07] <trochej> Third
[09:10:51] <DTEIT> just got the second :-)
[09:11:58] <trochej> :)
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[09:15:50] <lkthomas> Abort (core dumped)
[09:15:51] <lkthomas> LOL
[09:15:53] <lkthomas> WTF ?
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[09:36:48] <asyd> \_o<
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[09:38:50] <phimic> where can i find an free cisco compatible vpn client for opensolaris?
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[09:40:50] <jklyekai> hello all.where can i download sunwcakr_5.11.tar.gz?
[09:40:58] <jklyekai> hello all.where can i download sunwcakr_5.11.tar.gz?
[09:42:43] <Stric> should be available where you got the rest of your OS
[09:43:08] <asyd> especially cark :)
[09:43:36] <Stric> SUNWcakr is the core package
[09:45:36] <jklyekai> is there a available web site can find it ?
[09:46:31] <palowoda> It's on the SXCE dvd.  What are you going to do with it once you get it?
[09:47:08] <palowoda> You can download the dvd image free.
[09:47:27] <jklyekai> o ,thanks
[09:50:36] <jklyekai> I want to rebuild it .
[09:51:05] <asyd> is uptimesoftware (monitoring software) familiar for someone?
[09:51:06] <palowoda> Than read all about building opensolaris on the opensolaris.org site.
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[09:53:45] <jklyekai> palowoda: what's mean?
[09:53:58] <palowoda> Sometimes I swear you can lead a thursty horse to water but if they are not going to drink just take out the old shotgun and get it over.
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[09:59:13] <CIA-57> Alan Duboff <Alan.Duboff at Sun dot COM>: 6729383 sfe driver gets reset timeout panic on sparc
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[10:01:17] <lkthomas> guys
[10:01:23] <lkthomas> opensolaris does not contain killall command ?
[10:01:37] <codestr0m> lkthomas: try pkill
[10:02:03] <codestr0m> lkthomas: also google for the rosetta stone for solaris.. it's pretty out-of-date, but for basic things will still help
[10:02:28] <Cyrille> no need to google, it's actually in the topic.
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[10:05:01] <x58> I made the killall mistake a while back :/
[10:06:41] <codestr0m> I never made that mistake, but I could easily see how it would be possible
[10:15:05] <trochej> :)]
[10:15:33] <trochej> Solaris is very literate, when it comes to killall, halt or such. :)
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[10:19:38] <austin_> jbk, no
[10:21:08] <trochej> Hmm
[10:21:13] <trochej> Literate is not the word I wanted
[10:22:00] <palowoda> But the killall manpage is quite acurate.
[10:22:03] <codestr0m> trochej: posix compliant instead of literate maybe?
[10:23:56] <trochej> codestr0m: Yes, but in Linux realm people learn that some commands have rather methaphorical meaning. :)
[10:24:37] <codestr0m> trochej: you mean semantic?
[10:24:48] <codestr0m> intuitive...
[10:25:05] <trochej> Yeah
[10:25:18] <codestr0m> yeah, but you'll adjust
[10:25:24] <trochej> codestr0m: I did a year ago
[10:25:26] <trochej> :)
[10:25:28] <estibi> hello
[10:25:29] <codestr0m> oh ok
[10:25:32] <trochej> estibi: yo
[10:25:33] <trochej> :)
[10:25:34] <codestr0m> estibi: hi
[10:25:36] <estibi> ;)
[10:25:41] <trochej> Oooookaaay
[10:25:42] <trochej> Coffee?
[10:25:50] <estibi> tea
[10:25:55] <codestr0m> water only please
[10:26:16] <trochej> Ahh, you inject caffeine.
[10:26:24] <trochej> Tough guy
[10:26:31] <codestr0m> nooo. not quite? :P
[10:26:43] <Gekz> Halt das.
[10:26:43] <trochej> Kheheheee
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[10:28:04] <austin_> jbk, that did it, thanks! (any idea why I had to add it manually, though?)
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[10:46:16] <CybDev> right, i have a dumb question, where do i find the cli documentation and not all those references to whatever gui app i must use to configure opensolaris? also, if there is any non-X installation guide would someone be so kind as to point me in the right direction for the docs?
[10:46:40] <chrisg> erm
[10:47:22] <m2acis> I recall, that 2008.5 didn't install from CLI ... that was a issue to me too
[10:47:41] <CybDev> doh :-(
[10:47:43] <m2acis> I guess it was somewhere in FAQ's
[10:47:51] <m2acis> you better check it twice ;)
[10:47:56] <CybDev> i did :-/
[10:48:43] <austin_> how can I tell if my install is configured for IPV6
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[10:57:35] <Stric> austin_: run ifconfig -a  and see if you have an ipv6 address
[10:58:02] <Stric> or ping 2001:6b0:e:4040::40  for instance
[10:58:35] <austin_> thanks
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[11:31:46] <dustman> hi
[11:32:20] <dustman> I've installed OS-2008.05 on second harddrive with first being used by linux
[11:33:03] <dustman> but now I can't boot into it since linux grub can't pick zfs and bios won't allow me to change boot device to second hd
[11:33:12] <dustman> any suggestions?
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[11:34:14] <asyd> dustman: use first grub to chainload on the second grub?
[11:34:39] <dustman> how OS kernels are called?
[11:34:54] <dustman> and their location?
[11:35:03] * dustman doing this for first time
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[11:35:35] <asyd> on the linux's grub, just do something like rootnoverify (hd1)
[11:35:40] <asyd> chainloader +1
[11:35:40] <asyd> boot
[11:36:37] <dustman> thank you asyd
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[11:40:49] <dustman> asyd: is it hd1 or hd1,0 ?
[11:41:14] <asyd> dunno, try both
[11:41:24] <dustman> k
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[11:42:07] <dustman> booting
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[11:42:20] <asyd> thanks for nothing!
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[11:43:45] <dom> hi, if i've got an existing solaris 10 install with ufs root and zfs data partitions, can I upgrade to opensolaris 2008.11 and will it automatically pick up/recreate the zfs pools?
[11:45:39] <trochej> dom: You can't upgrade Solaris 10 to OpenSolaris 2008
[11:45:50] <trochej> dom: But you can export pools, install opensolaris and import pools
[11:45:53] <trochej> And it will work
[11:46:06] <trochej> dom: But I wouldn't user this distro on servers
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[11:56:35] <dom> it's for my main desktop
[11:56:43] <dom> is 2008 stable enough for desktop?
[11:56:57] <dom> i'm hoping virtualbox works better under opensolaris, it sucks under solaris10-
[11:57:12] <timsf> It's stable enough for my desktop...
[11:57:19] <timsf> (and laptop, and other laptop...)
[11:57:35] <dom> cool it looks really nice
[11:57:52] <dom> does solaris 10 run in a branded zone?
[11:58:30] <timsf> I don't think they've got that support yet
[12:03:53] <houst0n-_> solaris 10 zones on opensolaris/sxce would be very nice
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[12:08:19] <cmihai> For some reason the image on my monitor just flipped.
[12:08:31] <cmihai> Fucking stinkpads.
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[12:16:51] <dom> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6666646
[12:17:15] <dom> i'm stunned sun hasn't had the foresight to add this in as no.1 priority
[12:19:00] <houst0n-_> dom: Never be suprised by sun's actions :P
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[12:59:31] <bradd> i'm getting lots of errors regarding /etc/driver/classes on bootup for SXCE.. I tried to install oss. I have tried 'boot -s' but still cannot get into the system.. any suggestions?
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[13:34:14] <CosmicDJ> bradd: boot -s from cd/dvd
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[14:31:27] <CosmicDJ> quote of the day: "You ARE a lazy bum." from http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=122458768810570&w=2
[14:31:49] <Macabee> hi, with zfs on sol10 i can't appear to take a disk offline from a mirror set
[14:31:53] <Macabee> it just says "no valid replicas"
[14:31:59] <Macabee> when there is - as its a mirror
[14:32:14] <_mary_kate_> Macabee: show 'zpool status' and the command and its output at rafb.net/paste
[14:32:46] <Macabee> http://rafb.net/p/EwkN5G20.html
[14:32:47] <CosmicDJ> Macabee: well it isn't a mirror anymore when you take one disk out (supposed you have 2 disks in a mirror) :)
[14:33:06] <Macabee> CosmicDJ: i need to take a disk 'offline' as i know its faulty
[14:33:18] <Macabee> and its causing bus resets
[14:33:25] <Macabee> which is effecting other parts of the system
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[14:33:43] <_mary_kate_> Macabee: what is the command and its output?
[14:33:46] <CosmicDJ> things could get complicated...
[14:34:47] <Macabee> http://rafb.net/p/v5yldZ74.html
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[14:34:51] <holcomb> zpool detach should work
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[14:35:02] <Macabee> holcomb: i know it 'should' :P but it's not
[14:35:03] <Macabee> :)
[14:35:20] <holcomb> you have to specify the thing though... damnit i always forget the syntax
[14:35:56] <Macabee> according to the man page and the sol10 admin guide - what i put is right
[14:36:18] <Macabee> unless there's a hidden syntax :)
[14:39:54] <holcomb> yeah you're right.  though it worked for me
[14:40:44] <Macabee> the problems driving me barmy - it 'should' work
[14:41:34] <CosmicDJ> hm what about connection the new disk and doing a zfs replace old_disk new_disk?
[14:41:56] <Macabee> no spare ports to do so
[14:42:01] <Macabee> its a rack mounted server
[14:43:06] <CosmicDJ> "If new_device is not specified ,it defaults to old_device. This form of replacement is useful after an existing disk has failed and has been physically replaced."
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[14:43:23] <Macabee> yeah but the manual also says i should 'offline' before physicall removing
[14:43:23] <Macabee> :)
[14:43:30] <Macabee> so that nothing tries to use the disk while i pull it
[14:43:30] <CosmicDJ> damn
[14:43:52] <Macabee> indeed
[14:44:06] <Macabee> i really don't want to have to reboot this box
[14:44:18] <Macabee> but increasingly it's looking like the only option
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[14:47:17] <digifor> I discovered that the reason I could not connect to gprs is because I have two processors.
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[14:50:04] <digifor> I have to disable one. As per: http://tiny.cc/3gZzP
[14:51:27] <digifor> Is there a way around this. I guess I am going to run a bit slower with only one processor.
[14:51:28] <asyd> you realy need to disable a processor to be able to use the gprs?! :)
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[14:53:00] <digifor> asyd: I spent the weekend trying. Then I did psradm -f  1 and it worked.
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[15:07:03] <digifor> ttfn
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[15:22:48] <Belgar> anyone managed to mount a usb stick under OpenSolaris in VMWare?
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[15:24:26] <Belgar> in vmware server
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[15:32:30] <phimic> is there an cisco compatible vpn client for solaris
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[15:38:36] <oxygene> phimic: solaris/sparc? trivial: search for "cisco vpn client solaris" and fetch it from the first university website you run into
[15:39:06] <Macabee> grrr @ this zfs offline not working
[15:39:13] <Macabee> i'm going to have to shutdown the server, pull the disk and power up again
[15:39:21] <phimic> oxygene: opensolaris
[15:39:27] <oxygene> phimic: opensolaris/sparc?
[15:39:29] <codestr0m> anyone know if you can use SSX to build libc/kernel and have it boot?
[15:39:36] <phimic> oxygene: x86
[15:39:47] <oxygene> phimic: the only thing I found is http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/vpnc/
[15:40:07] <phimic> oxygene: i will try this thanks
[15:40:23] <Stric> Hm. Anyone know how to list which fcntl() locks are currently in use? Suddenly ran out of locks on a server..
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[15:45:12] <CosmicDJ> Stric: sar -v ?
[15:45:40] <jbk> that should work, but from some emails it looks like it takes some work
[15:46:02] <Stric> CosmicDJ: don't have accounting stuff running currently..
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[15:47:50] <Stric> CosmicDJ: doesn't seem to list which ones, just how many locks happened or somesuch
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[16:13:47] <CosmicDJ> Stric: what about dtrace? dtrace -n 'syscall::fcntl:entry { @num[execname] = count(); }'
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[16:24:21] <Stric> CosmicDJ: solaris 9.. and I want to list _previous_ locks.. not future ones
[16:24:33] <Stric> CosmicDJ: since I'm getting "No record locks available" when doing new ones
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[16:27:16] <seanmcg> lockstat ?
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[16:28:53] <Stric> lockstat isn't for file locks but kernel/function locks
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[16:31:22] <Stric> lsof seems to be able to list locks for current open files.. not sure what happens with file locks when the process ends.. should release them, right?
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[16:31:58] <kim0> I am trying to install gtk-devel pkgs
[16:32:02] <kim0> but I cannot locate them
[16:32:09] <kim0> pgk list -a | grep -i gtk
[16:32:14] <kim0> does not show gtk devel in anyway
[16:32:29] <Stric> pkg search -r libgtk
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[16:34:01] <kim0> nope nothing
[16:34:44] <kim0> I wonder if the main SUNWGtk contains the devel files as well?!
[16:34:49] <kim0> how would I know that
[16:38:12] <Stric> wasn't sure how pkg searched, but it does full match apparently..
[16:38:13] <Stric> pkg search -r gtk.h
[16:38:21] <Stric> gives for instance
[16:38:21] <Stric> basename   file      usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h pkg:/SUNWgnome-base-libs at 0 dot 5.11-0.99
[16:39:15] <jbk> i'll ask again since more people are around.. can you put a zone root on nfs?
[16:39:20] <jbk> or does it have to be ufs?
[16:41:01] <seanmcg> jbk, may be worth asking that on the zone interest list, more folks into zones there..
[16:41:20] <trochej> jbk: IIRC you can, but upgrade and migration may be troublesome
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[16:42:29] <kim0> Stric: how do I list the file names in a certain pkg like SUNWGtk ?
[16:42:37] <kim0> Stric: sorry if it's too basic
[16:43:33] <kim0> Stric: I actually found this path exists /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk
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[16:43:40] <kim0> so it's probably installed somehow
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[16:45:10] <rwanderley> hi, is vfat supported by opensolaris?  I'm trying to load my wireless driver in the livecd but can't mount the usb stick containing the driver.
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[16:45:55] <_mary_kate_> rwanderley: yes, use mount -Fpcfs
[16:46:00] <_mary_kate_> but usually it should mount it automatically
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[16:47:04] <rwanderley> _mary_kate_: thanks, it didn't mount automatically, will try that now.  dmesg showed me it was recognized as sd1, but there was no /dev/sd1...
[16:47:38] <_mary_kate_> run 'rmformat' to see the device path
[16:47:48] <rwanderley> ok.
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[16:48:25] <rwanderley> will reboot and try again...  bye.
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[16:51:32] <taid> I have some exotic hardware that works with Solaris 10, it will be compatible with OpenSolaris or the driver ABI changes?
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[16:52:17] <dom> does it have nekked ladies on the front?
[16:52:23] <oxygene> taid: if the driver is written to the published interfaces, it's supposed to work (and everything else would be a bug). if the driver uses private kernel interfaces, anything could happen
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[16:52:56] <taid> there is support for running opensolaris as a PV guest (domU) in Xen, and using a PCI board from it?
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[16:57:08] <phimic> i have a little nfs export problem
[16:57:37] <phimic> i did a zfs set sharenfs=rw mypool/user
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[16:57:56] <phimic> mounting from a linux client works but i cannot write anything
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[17:08:28] <_mary_kate_> taid: i don't think solaris supports that
[17:08:34] <_mary_kate_> (giving PCI cards to domu)
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[17:21:09] <dunkyp> Hi where would I find the xorg.conf file or equivelent on opensolaris 2008.05??
[17:21:39] <Macabee> by default there isn't on
[17:21:40] <Macabee> one*
[17:21:47] <Macabee> as xorg supports autogenerating the right config
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[17:22:17] <dunkyp> is it possible to have it generate one?
[17:22:25] <Macabee> run xorg with -configure
[17:23:16] <dunkyp> thankyou
[17:23:45] <nachox> if there is such a file Xorg will use it
[17:23:52] <Macabee> indeed
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[17:32:56] <phimic> is it possible that a linux client can mount nfs shares from solaris with rw mode?
[17:33:04] <th> yes.
[17:33:56] <phimic> th: i tried with zfs set sharenfs=rw mypool
[17:34:04] <th> phimic: try sharenfs=rw at 192 dot 168.1.2/32
[17:34:22] <asyd> and please don't try to write from the root user (on your linux)
[17:34:27] <th> phimic: try sharenfs=rw= at 192 dot 168.1.2/32
[17:36:07] <phimic> th: i did this and did a mount -t nfs -o rw ip:share /mnt
[17:36:19] <phimic> i can read files but not write
[17:36:49] <th> phimic: what does zfs get sharenfs your/fs   give?
[17:37:32] <phimic> mypool                          sharenfs  off                             default
[17:37:45] <phimic> mypool/test                     sharenfs  rw= at 132 dot 230.x.y/32             local
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[17:38:28] <phimic> th: must i enable sharenfs for mypool too?
[17:38:32] <th> phimic: no
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[17:39:13] <th> phimic: ls -ald /mnt ; id   (on your linux box)
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[17:40:39] <rwanderley> _mary_kate_: thank you for the help, finally got opensolaris running fine on my machine.
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[17:40:55] <phimic> th: as user root it should be able to write?
[17:41:08] <e^ipi> no
[17:41:18] <e^ipi> it's a security feature
[17:41:27] <phimic> oh ok
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[17:42:13] <th> phimic: if you insist to do so and refuse to read the manpage: sharenfs=rw= at 132 dot 230.x.y/32,root=@132.230.x.y/32
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[17:45:17] <phimic> th: now i can wirte with root but not with normal user the uid:gid mapping is wrong after mounting
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[17:46:18] <e^ipi> oh ffs...
[17:46:31] <e^ipi> every time i travel i forget one little thing...
[17:46:34] <e^ipi> this time: toothpaste
[17:48:43] <th> phimic: just remove the root= and dont work as root
[17:53:07] <phimic> th: yeah but the mapping is wrong, before mounting i habe the permissions phimic:phimic
[17:53:37] <phimic> after mounting i have dhcp:uucp ?
[17:54:26] <jbk> e^ipi: where are you going?
[17:54:50] <th> phimic: well - your uid-numbers must be synchron
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[17:55:34] <phimic> th: oh ok i will try this 2morrow, time to go home ;)
[17:55:39] <phimic> thanks a lot th
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[17:59:40] <CIA-57> John Forte <John.Forte at Sun dot COM>: 6745433 Merge NWS consolidation into OS/Net consolidation (fix unref)
[18:00:04] <holcomb> neat
[18:01:30] <seanmcg> finally, nws gets into on :)
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[18:05:23] <austin_> Howdy, when compiling Wine, I get thousands of these errors: "warning: visibility attribute not supported in this configuration; ignored"
[18:05:53] <austin_> any idea what causes it/how to fix it? I'm not sure if it's a solaris/gcc/wine bug...
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[19:09:39] <TheK_> good evening.
[19:12:11] <TheK_> I fail to mount my Sony camcorder. It shows up when I do rmformat -l, and nautilus shows an icon NONAME. What might be wrong?
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[19:12:30] <jbk> that's probably it
[19:12:36] <jbk> did you try double clicking on it?
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[19:12:57] <TheK_> jbk: heh.. yes :)
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[19:14:45] <TheK_> jbk: seriously... Where could I look for error messages? Should I attempt to dtrace? :) I'm a opensolaris newbie.. actually.. am just a user :)
[19:15:10] <TheK_> jdk: Mounting results in not a block device.
[19:15:22] <TheK_> jdk: using pcfs results in 'not fat'
[19:15:54] <TheK_> jdk: 'double clicking' results in message box "can't mount NONAME"
[19:16:22] <TheK_> Since it works in Linux I thought I could make it work automagically in opensolaris as well...
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[19:59:11] <CIA-57> Chin-Long Shu <Chin-Long.Shu at Sun dot COM>: 6747055 Solaris 10 apps using recent version of libnsl.so do not run on Nevada
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[20:03:21] <sliverd> is it possible to use opensolaris (amd64) + jvm 64 bit + jboss?
[20:04:15] <CosmicDJ> why do you think it shouldn't be possible?
[20:05:40] <sliverd> actually i sue linux as server, i never used opensolaris ...people says that j2ee applications run bettern on opensolaris
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[20:08:11] <TheK_> sliverd: who says?
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[20:09:41] <sliverd> so you say that opensolaris is not better than linux for j2ee application?
[20:10:20] <TheK_> sliverd: Yes
[20:10:49] <TheK_> sliverd: You would need to really think through what you are optimizing against to be able to answer that in a good way.
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[20:12:38] <sliverd> my j2ee application use very much memory (sometimes more than 1gb for single process)
[20:12:38] <TheK_> sliverd: OpenSolaris contain some nice tools and has something nice called ZFS which can create hybrid storage node which in theory would boost your IO
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[20:17:00] <sliverd> sometimes i have many threads and more than 10gb of memory usage ...some peolple sayd me tha opensolaris is better for this kind of application
[20:18:09] <CosmicDJ> sliverd: then d/l opensolaris (it's free, more or less) and benchmark it yourself
[20:18:10] <sliverd> (i never userd opensolaris, i just want to know if it's a good idea to try it for my use)
[20:19:06] <pumpkin_> can't hurt :)
[20:19:17] <pumpkin_> having huge amounts of memory can't either
[20:19:22] <pumpkin_> if you do really use 10 gigs of ram
[20:19:32] <sliverd> ok, the best way to have an answer is to try it!!
[20:19:56] <sliverd> yes, i have to do data analysis
[20:20:06] <pumpkin_> RAM is really cheap these days
[20:20:13] <pumpkin_> you could probably get 16 gigs of it for under 1k
[20:20:28] <pumpkin_> so all you really want is an OS that'll let you use it all
[20:20:41] <sliverd> yes
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[20:21:45] <sliverd> i'm trying debian_64 and it seems ok, but i want to be sure to make the right choice
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[20:22:59] <spiff> what's the root password on the live cd? "opensolaris" isnt working.
[20:23:00] <CosmicDJ> sliverd: the right choice? me remembers: "never change a running system"
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[20:23:58] <spiff> jack:jack is working though
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[20:25:13] <sliverd> i thought opensolaris was able to manage better that amount of memory/theads
[20:26:31] <CosmicDJ> sliverd: stop thinking and start trying/benchmarking on your hw :)
[20:26:56] <sliverd> OK .you are right!!!
[20:28:19] <sliverd> i have to go.... thanks!!
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[20:28:43] <spiff> is there a way to install opensolaris in text mode?
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[20:31:28] <dark_matter> yes select text off the boot cd/DVD menu
[20:31:50] <CosmicDJ> opensolaris as in 2008.?? or sxce?
[20:32:20] <spiff> 2008.11
[20:32:39] <CosmicDJ> a quick google search should answer that
[20:32:41] <spiff> I booted into text mode...
[20:32:45] <spiff> well, it didnt.
[20:32:56] <spiff> thats why I'm here :)
[20:33:19] <CosmicDJ> "opensolaris textmode" 2nd link
[20:33:56] <spiff> ok, so there's no way.
[20:34:56] 
[20:35:24] <spiff> what's with not having a text installer?
[20:35:33] <spiff> installing via elom is painful
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[20:37:45] <CosmicDJ> the target audience where linux users...
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[20:40:25] <Asako> hello
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[20:40:40] <Asako> does anybody know why I can't create child processes for a terminal?
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[20:53:13] <bubbva> Asako: more information please. Why do you think you can't? what are you trying to do and what error messages are you seeing?
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[20:54:45] <Asako> that's what the error says
[20:55:02] <Asako> There was an error creating the child process for this terminal
[20:55:20] <Asako> in gnome-terminal
[20:56:11] <Asako> at least my other desktop works
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[21:08:23] <slx86> Hi, can someone can confirm that the visual effects settings in snv_99 are not persistent. I updated from 91 to 99 and can't get this setting persitent between sessions
[21:09:14] <alanc> slx86: I think that's a known bug in 99
[21:09:43] <CosmicDJ> btw is 100 out now? I saw smth on planet.opensolaris
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[21:10:21] <alanc> slx86: yes, http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=1590 Visual Effects preferences aren't persistent
[21:10:40] <Asako> is being unable to edit firefox bookmarks a bug?
[21:10:42] <alanc> oh wait, that's an old one
[21:10:55] <alanc> thought there was a newer one I'd seen on desktop-discuss or somewhere
[21:10:59] <Asako> I can create bookmarks, can't edit the properties
[21:11:23] <slx86> ok, can i fix it with manually creating .gconf/desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager$ more %gconf.xml
[21:12:05] <slx86> some type in it, but that the place where the manager is setting is stored i think
[21:12:39] <alanc> CosmicDJ: haven't seen the announcements of SXCE ISO release or pkg.opensolaris.org update for nv_100 yet, though comay pushed the nv_100 IPS import changes yesterday, so it's getting closer
[21:14:35] <CosmicDJ> hm k
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[21:33:47] <codestr0m> just an fyi.. if you copy a lot of the perl 5.8 values over to 5.10 and try to compile.. you'll fail some tests.. (which while the number of failures is *very* low) they are important.. to the point that automake/autoconf may not behave as expected
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[21:36:28] <Asako> is there a limit on how many terminals I can open?
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[21:37:51] <dustman> good evening
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[21:40:09] <Asako> it'd be nice if it said more than just "an error"
[21:40:21] <dustman> impressive work done with this snv_99
[21:40:46] <Asako> it's nice
[21:40:55] <dustman> with few minor inconviniences it's really cool and easy to work with
[21:42:01] <dustman> will man pages be included into 2008.11?
[21:42:21] <Asako> I have svn_97
[21:42:54] <CosmicDJ> Asako: how many terms do you have open?
[21:43:14] <Asako> 4 right now, I'm always opening and closing them though
[21:43:41] <Asako> maybe I should upgrade
[21:43:43] <dustman> btw, is it possible to use ips to add missing man pages?
[21:47:02] <Asako> hmm, pkg died
[21:47:19] <Asako> ValueError: invalid literal for int():
[21:47:22] <CosmicDJ> Asako: could you do a echo "fork_fail_pending/D" | mdb -k   as root
[21:47:56] <Asako> it says 0
[21:48:38] <CosmicDJ> hm then I have no idea why gnome-terminal can't create child proc
[21:49:07] <Asako> can't do a pkg refresh either
[21:49:16] <Asako> http://pastebin.ca/1233109
[21:50:03] <Asako> usually killing X lets me work again
[21:53:47] <Asako> heh, image-update died too
[21:54:34] <Asako> does the installer have an update option?
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[21:58:08] <Asako> brb, gonna restart x
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[21:59:16] <CIA-57> Sriharsha Basavapatna <Sriharsha.Basavapatna at Sun dot COM>: 6746533 vnet over hybridIO may not tag/untag packets when pvid is set
[21:59:17] <CIA-57> Lin Ling <Lin.Ling at Sun dot COM>: 6748436 inconsistent zpool.cache in boot_archive could panic a zfs root filesystem upon boot-up
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[22:00:48] <PaulR_> how do I dedicate an interface to a zone?
[22:00:54] <PaulR_> I think its a new feature of U5
[22:00:58] <PaulR_> S10 U5
[22:03:11] <CosmicDJ> ip-type=exclusive
[22:03:44] <jbk> it'll be so nice when crossbow (incl ipmp revamp) is done :)
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[22:07:17] <Asako> what is crossbow?
[22:08:07] <jbk> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/crossbow/
[22:08:16] <jbk> actually the ipmp stuff is part of clearview
[22:08:53] <jbk> so many projects, it's hard to keep them all straight :)
[22:09:06] <PaulR_> Comic:  perfect thanks :)
[22:09:50] <CosmicDJ> +s
[22:10:13] <PaulR_> anyone use vna with zones?
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[22:13:58] <Alasdairrr> Could anyone tell me which SUNW package I can find types.h?
[22:14:32] <CosmicDJ> SUNWhea
[22:14:38] <Alasdairrr> Ahh!
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[22:14:55] <Alasdairrr> I have been searching for ages :)
[22:15:06] <CosmicDJ> don't have it installed?
[22:15:17] <Alasdairrr> Newp, core install
[22:15:44] <CosmicDJ> Alasdairrr: so you're a *bsd guy or a damn small linux fan?
[22:16:07] <Alasdairrr> I run production servers which have many zones present - keeping X out of your Zones seems reasonable to me
[22:16:08] <Alasdairrr> :)
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[22:20:10] <CosmicDJ> I don't like X, gnome and staroffice etc. on my server, too; but if you start to exclude things or you have to include things (cause you selected just core install); it'll end up in a 1h dependecy resolving session...
[22:20:39] <Alasdairrr> Sadly yes.
[22:21:28] <CosmicDJ> I hope opensolaris 2009.xx will make things better (think of the ubuntu server releases...)
[22:22:01] <jsherwood> speaking of X, does anyone know where a good troubleshooting guide for X/Xorg and solaris is?
[22:22:19] <jbk> CosmicDJ: it should
[22:23:29] <jbk> i suspect those getting paid by sun don't feel it worthwhile to invest the time to do the minimization + dependency information with the older installer + sysv pkg stuff, but there is definite interest in providing that via IPS (and this opensolaris)
[22:23:48] <jbk> so far it looks like it may take the form of various metapackages (or whatever the IPS term is)
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[22:25:21] <CosmicDJ> jbk: well there are several minimization guides on the net; but most cover older releases and are really just doing what they're called; minimizing solaris to a bare minimum that's enough to run certain apps; nothing more
[22:27:17] <Asako> there's nexenta
[22:27:49] <CosmicDJ> I don't want GNU/Solaris...
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[22:29:23] <Alasdairrr> I'd like the best of Solaris combined with the best of Linux, personally
[22:29:39] <Alasdairrr> Package management is useful, dependency resolution is useful
[22:29:49] <turtle> so that would be the best of solaris + nothing?
[22:30:13] <Asako> heh
[22:30:19] * TheK_ sighs.. it is that attitude which marks the death of business.. :(
[22:30:21] <Alasdairrr> that's rather harsh :)
[22:30:23] <Asako> IPS handles everything
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[22:30:29] <jsherwood> I'll miss 'grep blah /var/sadm/install/contents'  with the newer debian style packaging
[22:30:32] <oxygene> solaris has package management. it also has dependency resolution
[22:30:55] <Alasdairrr> People use Linux because it's easy to do so - if Solaris wants to gain market traction, then it needs to become easier to administrate/manage
[22:31:08] <Asako> no it doesn't
[22:31:12] <Asako> and neither does linux
[22:31:21] <Alasdairrr> I've worked for Betfair, very large UK organisation, all Sun servers, plenty of Solaris expertise, and they chose Linux for ease of administration of the live platform
[22:31:22] <Asako> you wanna use it, learn it
[22:31:25] <tsoome> linux and easy?!
[22:31:36] <Alasdairrr> Same at Joost, the Skype founded internet TV company
[22:31:43] <tsoome> well, they are morons.
[22:31:51] <Asako> or did they pick linux because it's the cool thing to do?
[22:32:06] <oxygene> because it's cheaper to manage linux
[22:32:12] <tsoome> btw, skype *is* loads of linux nerds. they dont accept anything else
[22:32:17] <turtle> solaris could definitely use a great package manager with lots of packages but i don't believe that linux invented good package managers (even if they have one or two) so i wouldn't lump that in the "best of linux" catagory.
[22:32:42] <Alasdairrr> Well if Linux is so shite, why does it have such a large market share? I'm perfectly happy for Solaris to slip into obscurity, but the OpenSolaris project and things like IPS are proof that Solaris had to adapt to a market who want something easier to manage
[22:32:43] <Asako> it has one, pkg
[22:33:19] <tsoome> its because loads of ppl have looked on it, as its being hyped up. and those ppl refuse to learn anything else
[22:33:23] <oxygene> Alasdairrr: solaris _is_ easy to manage. it's just not a linux emulation
[22:33:41] <Asako> didn't take me much time to adjust
[22:33:57] <Asako> then again I manage windows, linux, FreeBSD, and solaris boxes
[22:34:06] <jbk> Alasdairrr: by that definition, windows is far better than anything else written
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[22:34:10] <jbk> :)
[22:34:11] <vmlemon_> "Solaris is user-friendly. It's just picky about who it makes friends with." ;)
[22:34:22] <turtle> like a kitty cat!
[22:34:30] <tsoome> i'm seeing such ppl day by day, and when i show how im solving issues in minutes they have been working for weeks, they usually are guite puzzled...
[22:34:31] <Asako> you learn one unix you can learn them all
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[22:34:38] <jbk> but the new package system should make things easier, as well as the new installer
[22:34:48] <Asako> sorry if solaris isn't designed for drooling point and click morons
[22:35:27] <jbk> patching has long been probably the biggest sore point
[22:35:29] <Asako> I tried using a VMS box the other night, now that's a trip
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[22:36:08] <dustman> something like FreeBSD's Handbook would actually convince many ppl OpenSolaris is easy
[22:36:23] <Asako> docs.sun.com
[22:36:32] <dustman> it's not the same
[22:36:36] <dustman> too fragmented
[22:36:55] <Asako> there's a lot of info to cover
[22:37:13] <crichardso> yes i agree i find the documents much more work to get to where i want to go
[22:37:15] <turtle> that's very true but i think dustman meant in addition to not to replace
[22:37:19] <PaulR_> is ZFS on Linux?
[22:37:24] <PaulR_> oh waits its not :)
[22:37:36] <PaulR_> s/waits/wait
[22:37:36] <jsherwood> there is a porting effort
[22:37:40] <crichardso> but i think that is just because it is still eveolving
[22:37:47] <tsoome> as no dtrace, no proc fs tools etc etc
[22:37:52] <Asako> no zones
[22:37:54] <PaulR_> how about zones?
[22:37:57] <PaulR_> oh no zones either hmmm
[22:37:57] <crichardso> i find managing solaris to be much easier though
[22:38:05] <Asako> well, there's xen/openvz/vserver/vmware
[22:38:09] <crichardso> i love svc
[22:38:11] <Asako> and kvm
[22:38:30] <PaulR_> can't do snapshots tho like you can on Solaris
[22:38:33] <Asako> I like SMF
[22:39:12] <Asako> haven't tried those, I just built a linux zone
[22:39:35] <PaulR_> Asako:  do this...create a zpool, install the zone onto the zpool
[22:39:50] <PaulR_> then, take a snapshot of that zpool
[22:40:08] <PaulR_> set the mountpoint, edit the zone.xml and the index file...and you have a new zone within seconds
[22:40:11] <crichardso> i think the hardest thing for me is not really a flaw in the os but more the fact i am not fimilar with the utils that are apart of the os to do daily tasks
[22:40:16] <tsoome> how about resource management? switching schedulers on the fly, cpu sets, cpu shares etc?;)
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[22:40:47] <Asako> PaulR_, yeah, I figured something like that
[22:40:54] <PaulR_> Asako:  its great :)
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[22:41:05] <Asako> I took a snapshot before I installed cpanel
[22:41:12] <Asako> really you could do the same thing with xen and lvm
[22:41:16] <Asako> and I do
[22:41:50] <PaulR_> I read about lvm versus zfs...from what I could see there was no comparison
[22:41:57] <PaulR_> zfs is extremely simple and very powerful
[22:42:02] <Asako> yeah
[22:42:06] <turtle> ULTIMATE POWER
[22:42:09] <Asako> one of the reasons I switched
[22:42:10] <jbk> PaulR_: actually you should use the zone clone feature instead of touching zone.xml :)
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[22:42:26] <Asako> now I just need to learn dtrace
[22:42:37] <xRaich[o]2x> Asako: it's simple ;)
[22:42:46] <PaulR_> jbk:  true but I have scripted a lot of that stuff out already :)
[22:43:29] <PaulR_> Linux has its place for sure...but in the mean time I'm really liking OpenSolaris
[22:43:43] <Asako> me too, already formatted all my boxes
[22:44:12] <xRaich[o]2x> Same here. switched after 12 years of linux.
[22:44:17] <Asako> too bad our company won't switch
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[22:45:10] <PaulR_> anyone run OpenSolaris on Dell or any non-Sun hardware?
[22:45:15] <PaulR_> server hardware
[22:45:25] <Asako> kind of wish I'd stuck with the real release instead of nexenta, but I don't need gnome on my web server
[22:45:37] <hspaans> PaulR_: supermicro
[22:45:47] <PaulR_> how is the driver support?
[22:46:05] <hspaans> no problem yet
[22:46:14] <PaulR_> so it just "installs" ?
[22:46:29] <tsoome> why it shouldnt?
[22:46:39] <hspaans> maybe you need to run update_drv afterwards
[22:46:51] <PaulR_> I've had a lot of driver issues with S10 on non-Sun hardware
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[22:47:10] <PaulR_> I was hoping that's been fixed for OpenSolaris
[22:47:14] <tsoome> as you would have with any system loaded with crap hw
[22:47:18] <PaulR_> :)
[22:47:36] <Asako> is there a way to see what cpu I have?
[22:47:43] <PaulR_> prtdiag
[22:47:51] <codestr0m> anyone know if there's a non-sun dbx homepage? I thought it was foss or had backing from another company
[22:47:52] <Asako> thanks
[22:47:57] <hspaans> PaulR_: most of the time its that you need to tell solaris the a certain driver is needed for a certain pci-device
[22:48:00] <Asako> /proc/cpuinfo isn't there, hehe
[22:48:09] <tsoome> like hp is providing some custom nw adapters with conflicting pci-id's etc
[22:48:11] <hspaans> PaulR_: thanks to rebranding and stuff
[22:48:33] <tsoome> why do you expect /proc should contain cpu data?!
[22:48:36] <jbk> no, because proc wasn't meant to be a general dumping ground for vast tracks of unrelated information :)
[22:48:46] <jbk> proc = process
[22:48:57] <jbk> it was designed to provide process information
[22:49:10] <Asako> it's useful
[22:49:22] <tsoome> so is psrinfo -v
[22:49:32] <jsherwood> and sudo /usr/X11/bin/scanpci
[22:49:34] <dep> I don't think people disagree that it's useful.  They disagree that it belongs in /proc :)
[22:49:55] <th> PaulR_: i run it on dell poweredge 2850 as well as some build-it-yourself hardware
[22:49:58] <dep> Stuff like this has started to appear in /system.
[22:50:05] <tsoome> and tbh, why exactly should i worry what cpu's i do have?
[22:50:09] <Asako> all of our servers are custom built
[22:50:33] <Asako> when you log in to a box it's nice to know what it has
[22:50:35] <PaulR_> psrinfo is cool because it will show you the cores
[22:51:08] <tsoome> any other reason besides "cool" factor?
[22:51:10] <Asako> prtdiag is nice
[22:51:33] <Asako> I have some scripts that get info from /proc
[22:51:34] <PaulR_> tsoome:  I use it to see how many cores are on a box
[22:51:36] <hspaans> tsoome: it works and useful?
[22:51:50] <tsoome> i dont mena psrinfo;)
[22:51:51] <dustman> actually it doesn't reflect bios settings correctly
[22:51:54] <PaulR_> and it reads like pisser info
[22:51:55] <Asako> look for the MAC in /proc/net/arp, etc.
[22:52:05] <PaulR_> I mean how cool is that
[22:52:11] <tsoome> what mac?
[22:52:20] <dustman> I'm running underclocked box and it shows original cpu values
[22:52:37] <tsoome> i have system with 6 nw adapters  on my fingers atm;)
[22:52:39] <Asako> I know ifconfig does the same thing
[22:52:46] <Asako> but that's forking another process
[22:53:09] <rwanderley> had anyone experienced compiling GNU Emacs from cvs at opensolaris svn 99?  I'm having trouble making it see gtk libs.  I already installed gnome-common-devel, gcc-devel and xorg-headers...
[22:53:10] <jbk> oh noes
[22:53:12] <jsherwood> dustman: check prtconf -v
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[22:55:39] <alanc> codestr0m: dbx was originally part of the AT&T C compiler I think, but the Sun Studio dbx forked long ago and has diverged greatly
[22:56:30] <rwanderley> oh, I'm using gcc by the way, didnt get studio 12 yet.
[22:59:11] <CIA-57> Edward Pilatowicz <Edward.Pilatowicz at Sun dot COM>: 6761574 Plofspath() hangs in ngz on lofs mounts of gz filesystem
[23:00:01] <dustman> jsherwood: couldn't find actual cycle value in that
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[23:01:12] <codestr0m> alanc: thanks.. well. that's one less thing to worry about :P
[23:02:55] <codestr0m> I compiled ncurses with SSX and now I'm getting a core in xgettext
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[23:07:10] <jsherwood> dustman: there should be a "name='cpu-mhz' type=int items=1" and a hex entry below it.. I'm wondering if that will reflect the actual running speed
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[23:13:58] <spiff> I'm getting "unable to mount root fs" on booting newly installed 2008.11 (99)... any ideas?
[23:15:12] <spiff> grub cfg borked?
[23:16:46] <dustman> jsherwood: 'value=000007d0' looks more like aprox. 2000Mhz to me = original value
[23:17:56] <dustman> although person who change bios setting would probably know new one anyway..
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[23:21:44] <spiff> while in the livecd, is there any way of getting to the partition table on the disks, or more specifically list the zfs datasets on one of them? As jack I cant access fdisk..and cant su to root.
[23:22:07] <trygvis> pfexec su should work I guess
[23:22:08] <seanmcg> dustman, what does kstat -m cpu_info say ? there may be a current_clock_Hz in the output
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[23:22:19] <spiff> trygvis: :D
[23:22:37] <spiff> ah, forgot about pfexec
[23:23:32] <dustman> seanmcg: same as original..
[23:23:47] <dustman> methink of rebooting and checking bios settings
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[23:23:56] <dustman> bbl
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[23:30:52] <spiff> trygvis: if I want to know what zfs datasets are on a disk, then what?
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[23:31:30] <trygvis> zfs import
[23:31:39] <spiff> zpool import?
[23:31:54] <dustman_> nope. cpu is set to 1200Mhz and all utilities show 2000Mhz
[23:31:56] <trygvis> uh, yes
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[23:35:34] <seanmcg> dustman, even psrinfo -v ?
[23:36:14] <ninjaslim> is it possible to access hfs+ (mac osx) partitions in sxce
[23:37:12] <dustman_> seanmcg: yep
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[23:40:26] <dustman_> good n8
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[23:40:54] <pumpkin_> good nate?
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