[00:02:43] <dmarkey_> anyone know if theres issues with SXCE99 inside an LDOM? its not picking up my virtual disk even tho its in /dev/(r)dsk
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[02:39:17] <[RIT]Rawn027> is there a way to change the console CLI resolution on x86 hardware?
[02:39:31] <e^ipi> no
[02:39:33] <[RIT]Rawn027> damn
[02:39:40] <[RIT]Rawn027> so im stuck with 640x480 :)
[02:39:41] <e^ipi> use X, open an xterm
[02:39:46] <e^ipi> or X
[02:40:08] <[RIT]Rawn027> i am building a very small VM for a experiment. The VM needs to be slimmed down.
[02:40:16] <[RIT]Rawn027> I did a core install
[02:40:27] <[RIT]Rawn027> the vm disk can only be 2GB
[02:40:36] <ivan> why not ssh in
[02:41:13] <jamesd> okay you have made your first bunch of mistakes,  time to start over, do a full+oem install... need about 9GB to keep it happy.
[02:41:15] <[RIT]Rawn027> i can ssh in, just was looking to learn something new, it can be done on SPARC which is why i asked
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[02:41:30] * e^ipi still kinna doesn't understand why people keep trying to cram solaris where it doesn't belong
[02:41:49] <[RIT]Rawn027> jamesd: i cant make it that large.... a core install with snmp running is fine, no reason to install everything+oem... i do that everywhere else
[02:41:49] <e^ipi> it's an enterprise OS, if you need an embedded OS there are plenty of those out there, but solaris isn't one of them
[02:41:55] <[RIT]Rawn027> but in this applicaiton it doesnt make sense at all
[02:42:07] <_mary_kate_> [RIT]Rawn027: that's because sparc doesn't have the weird text/graphics console separation that x86 does
[02:42:09] <[RIT]Rawn027> e1kg
[02:42:27] <[RIT]Rawn027> elkg?
[02:42:42] <jamesd> i can think of a very big reason to install full+oem... you are here asking for help... if you know how it all works, why are you here asking for our help.
[02:42:47] <[RIT]Rawn027> thats a first, confused by my own response
[02:43:17] <[RIT]Rawn027> jamesd: i dont thinki know how it all works, but I do know that if you have evironment requirements you need to adjust how it supposed to be setup
[02:43:39] <[RIT]Rawn027> and if those requirements pose an issue, i feel it to be an acceptable question to see if anyone has ever delt with the issue before
[02:45:39] <e^ipi> typically you'd start with full+oem and pare it down
[02:45:44] <e^ipi> not start from nothing and build it up
[02:46:12] <e^ipi> or, use an embedded OS for embedded tasks
[02:47:40] <[RIT]Rawn027> thanks e^ipi, thanks for the console info as well..
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[03:38:34] <ruse39> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1077808/How-Muslim-convert-set-bombs-error-open-toilet-door.html
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[03:46:09] <coffman> hm
[03:46:17] <coffman> when is b100 coming?
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[04:38:11] <e^ipi> coffman: 1 day later than it should every time someone asks that question. ;)
[04:39:23] <Plazma> they skipped one, its b200 now
[04:39:24] <Plazma> :P
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[04:42:09] <ruse39> anyone can remind me a tool for unpacking premade .pkg files  ?
[04:42:27] <e^ipi> other than pkgadd?
[04:43:39] <nowhere_man> I'm trying to boot 2005.08's install CD from Xen with HVM with no luck so far
[04:44:19] <nowhere_man> did anyone happen to manage that?
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[04:44:40] <e^ipi> you can install SXCE as not-hvm *shrug*
[04:44:52] <e^ipi> i've done that before
[04:45:19] <ruse39> e^ipi, pkgadd: ERROR: attempt to process datastream failed
[04:45:29] <e^ipi> so it's not a real package
[04:45:38] <ruse39> it's mysql pkg from mysql.com
[04:45:38] <e^ipi> maybe someone tried to use tar to package it up
[04:45:46] <e^ipi> so maybe it's a broken package
[04:46:04] <ruse39> well after I accept everything it hangs for indefinite time
[04:46:09] <ruse39> so I pressed ctrl-c after ~15 minutes
[04:46:18] <ruse39> process </usr/bin/cpio -ictD -C 512 > /dev/null> failed, exit code 80
[04:46:23] <ruse39> I can't understood why this happening
[04:48:44] <e^ipi> i dunno, try downloading it again
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[04:49:07] <e^ipi> or use the coolstack packages, or use the packages in IPS if you're using 2008.05, or use the mysql that ships with SXCE
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[04:49:12] <e^ipi> or use postgres *shrug*
[04:49:30] <e^ipi> i usually do that last thing
[04:50:10] <ruse39> same with me
[04:50:15] <ruse39> but CMS I want to try wants mysql
[04:50:20] <ruse39> that's why I messing with it
[04:50:39] <ruse39> e^ipi, what is coolstack packages you mentioned ?
[04:50:47] <e^ipi> http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack/
[04:52:31] <ruse39> will it work on 86 build ON ?
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[05:01:20] <e^ipi> ruse39: i have a copy of mosaic browser 0.9 ( circa 1993 ) that was built for solaris 2.4.
[05:01:26] <e^ipi> it works fine on SXCE
[05:01:43] <ruse39> heh, nice
[05:01:45] <e^ipi> you needn't worry about compatibility
[05:01:48] <ruse39> e^ipi, thx for a link
[05:02:02] <ruse39> although, for example Firebird DB for sol8 are working awful in OSOL
[05:05:02] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[05:05:22] <nowhere_man> I've tried a non-HVM DomU setup again, but using pygrub as instructed in http://opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/docs/linux-dom0/ won't work
[05:06:08] <nowhere_man> I get Error: Boot loader didn't return any data!
[05:06:33] <nowhere_man> and without the pygrub line, it just silently fails to start the domain
[05:07:43] <e^ipi> i've only done it with virt-install
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[05:10:40] * benley wonders if solaris works with any cardbus-to-SATA adapters
[05:11:30] <benley> (anyone know?)
[05:14:53] <benley> I really want to attach some sata disks to a thinkpad t42.
[05:15:20] <ruse39> e^ipi, Due to some incompatibility in package processing, the data stream format of the packages do not work on some OpenSolaris and older SXDE releases. The solution is to convert the streams to filesystem format.
[05:15:29] <ruse39> that's why probably I was unable to install some pkg's
[05:15:58] <e^ipi> sound like that'd be it
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[05:22:33] <benley> gr, I'm going to have to use linux
[05:23:55] <x58> benley: Try it and let us know of it works :P
[05:24:12] <benley> I'll do what I can.
[05:24:35] <benley> like, if I find a cardbus-SATA card that uses the same chip as a supported PCI card, it can probably be made to work.
[05:25:43] <benley> there supposedly exists one with a sil3512 chip
[05:25:58] <benley> and sil3512 supposedly works with solaris :)
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[05:29:58] <benley> this might be hackable: http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=328491&view=detailed
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[05:37:25] <e^ipi> is the 3512 supported?
[05:37:42] <e^ipi> 31xx is
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[05:38:47] <benley> e^ipi: I _think_ 3512 is supported in recent builds
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[05:39:00] <benley> ref: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=254994
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[06:20:51] <[JT]> has anyone successfully booted OpenSolaris on a XenServer (e.g., Citrix XenServer 5) system?
[06:21:25] <[JT]> I've given it a go, but haven't had any luck so far.
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[07:38:28] <lkthomas> hey guys
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[07:43:15] <e^ipi> yo
[07:46:08] <ky-san> hiya
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[08:02:13] <trochej> Coffee?
[08:02:45] <freetown> Green Tea
[08:03:02] <lkthomas> blue tea :P
[08:03:03] <freetown> what happened to: Coffee!
[08:03:45] <freetown> lkthomas: will purple tea do? made from passion fruit
[08:03:55] <lkthomas> yeah
[08:03:57] <lkthomas> haha! :P
[08:04:25] * freetown orders a box from Malaysia and sends it to lkthomas
[08:05:46] <lkthomas> GOOD! LOL
[08:05:52] <lkthomas> it makes my face turn purple
[08:06:28] <freetown> you are not supposed to hold your breath waiting for it :)
[08:06:34] <lkthomas> LOL
[08:10:11] <lkthomas> ok
[08:10:12] <lkthomas> guys
[08:10:14] <lkthomas> let me ask again
[08:10:31] <lkthomas> zfs gzip compression wouldn't help if I use multi-core machine, right ?
[08:15:58] <pumpkin_> wouldn't help?
[08:16:37] <lkthomas> I mean
[08:16:39] <lkthomas> improve performance
[08:16:50] <lkthomas> because I am thinking to switch from core2due to quad core
[08:16:59] <lkthomas> if it doesn't help, I don't make the switch
[08:17:07] <pumpkin_> the biggest bottleneck is probably your hard drives :P
[08:17:09] <CosmicDJ> so the cpu is your bottleneck?
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[08:18:01] <pumpkin_> unless you have a terabyte of RAM and have made yourself a zpool in it somehow :P
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[08:19:03] <lkthomas> not really, CPU is
[08:19:07] <lkthomas> because I am using gzip-9
[08:19:09] <lkthomas> LOL!
[08:19:14] <pumpkin_> :o
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[08:19:31] <pumpkin_> it's pegging both your cores?
[08:19:31] <lkthomas> CosmicDJ, I don't want to deal with swapping hard disk
[08:19:44] <lkthomas> the loading average from 1.5 to 3
[08:19:52] <lkthomas> seems very heavy loading :P
[08:19:55] <pumpkin_> lol
[08:19:59] <CosmicDJ> load avg isn't just cpu
[08:20:10] <lkthomas> and about what ?
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[08:20:58] <pumpkin_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_average
[08:22:05] <lkthomas> yeah
[08:22:11] <lkthomas> so dual core should be max running 2
[08:22:36] <CosmicDJ> lkthomas: system run queue
[08:22:42] <pumpkin_> not necessarily because of zfs though
[08:22:55] <lkthomas> pumpkin_, nothing else is running other than zfs and samba server :P
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[08:23:07] <pumpkin_> so ps ax gives you two entries? ;)
[08:23:36] <lkthomas> ps ax is linux command isn't it ?
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[08:23:38] <lkthomas> it should be ps -ef
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[08:23:51] <CosmicDJ> lkthomas: first of all, no one will recommend gzip -9 compression
[08:24:07] <pumpkin_> lkthomas: yeah, sorry
[08:24:22] <lkthomas> CosmicDJ, actually, engineer department (us) don't want to rework on storage
[08:24:29] <pumpkin_> lkthomas: do you store LOADS of text and other low-entropy files?
[08:24:30] <lkthomas> so better slow down than work :P
[08:24:39] <lkthomas> pumpkin_, sorry ?!
[08:24:48] <lkthomas> depends
[08:24:55] <lkthomas> some department got 4x compression ratio :P
[08:25:36] <pumpkin_> yeah, but if they're storing 10 megabytes and lower it to 2.5 MB, is it worth the bother? how much space have you gained total using such extreme compression?
[08:25:59] <CosmicDJ> the cpu cycles wasted for -9 do not justify the small % compression ratio gained IMHO
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[08:26:01] <e^ipi> there was a bloggy the other day
[08:26:16] <e^ipi> lzjb is occasionally faster than no compression
[08:26:29] <_mary_kate_> but that's because lzjb is really fast
[08:26:35] <e^ipi> gzip1 offers an okay speed/compression tradeoff... gzip9 is slow as hell
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[08:26:48] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: well, yeah...
[08:27:40] <pumpkin_> http://tukaani.org/lzma/benchmarks
[08:28:08] <pumpkin_> any benchmark isn't indicative, but you can see that the dude gained 3% on gzip9 over gzip1, with a 6x time increase
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[08:29:15] <e^ipi> oh, only 6x as much time...
[08:29:18] <e^ipi> ;)
[08:29:20] <lkthomas> Sun should make gzip accelerator ASIC card
[08:29:25] <pumpkin_> lol
[08:29:40] <pumpkin_> lkthomas: the moral of the story is that gzip1 will be a lot faster and not much worse at compression
[08:29:42] <pumpkin_> :P
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[08:29:52] <lkthomas> haha
[08:30:56] <pumpkin_> I'm serious :P there's marginal benefit vs. marginal return
[08:31:05] <lkthomas> it's OK
[08:31:11] <pumpkin_> is it worth buying another processor to get a couple more % out of your space at best?
[08:31:16] <lkthomas> I want to make file size as small as possible
[08:31:26] * pumpkin_ shrugs
[08:31:27] <_mary_kate_> another cpu might not help, zfs compression is/was somewhat single threaded
[08:31:28] <lkthomas> money is not a problem
[08:31:36] <lkthomas> _mary_kate_, yeah, that's the problem
[08:31:37] <pumpkin_> lkthomas: then why not buy more hard drives? :P
[08:31:53] <lkthomas> pumpkin_, more hard drives = more work for engineer = more work for us
[08:32:04] <pumpkin_> how is it more work?
[08:32:07] <lkthomas> pumpkin_, strong CPU = one time work = no work for long time
[08:32:13] <freetown> ah...shoulda got a thumper right lkthomas?
[08:32:40] <lkthomas> hehe
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[08:41:55] <CosmicDJ> why do you want to make the filesize as small as possible?
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[08:43:15] <lkthomas> as I said
[08:43:23] <lkthomas> I don't want to add hard disk to the server anymore :)
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[08:43:38] <lkthomas> I am lazy :P
[08:44:37] <pumpkin_> o.O :)
[08:44:45] <lkthomas> :P
[08:45:05] <CosmicDJ> lazy admins, poor design decisions; how old are you lkthomas ?
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[08:45:13] <lkthomas> 26
[08:45:19] <lkthomas> why asking my age ?
[08:45:34] <lkthomas> design isn't poor
[08:45:48] <lkthomas> the design is not user oriented, it is admin oriented, that's why :P
[08:46:12] <CosmicDJ> smart admins plan till their retirement pension + say 15-20 years
[08:46:28] <lkthomas> I do
[08:46:43] <lkthomas> so within 2-3years, we don't need to expand our storage server
[08:47:54] <CosmicDJ> IMHO storage needs is growing at an even faster rate
[08:48:07] <lkthomas> of course, we could use iscsi to expand
[08:48:09] <freetown> yeah, we cannot let the bosses think we are not needed for the next few years
[08:48:18] <lkthomas> freetown, LOL :P
[08:48:40] <trochej> Coffee
[08:48:46] <lkthomas> again ?!
[08:48:55] <lkthomas> trochej, how many coffee do you drink per day
[08:49:09] <freetown> getting things in place for twenty years will guarantee we don't get to work for a while
[08:49:12] <CosmicDJ> lkthomas: anyway; I really think you should make yourself familiar with HSM like SAM-FS :) instead of compressing files like hell you just move not-used-anymore files to tapes
[08:49:17] <lkthomas> freetown, LOL!
[08:49:50] <lkthomas> CosmicDJ, you don't get it, our company just loaded with asshole
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[08:50:14] <lkthomas> the general plan is to put long term store file into tape
[08:50:25] <lkthomas> but all departments keep saying they need them right away
[08:50:37] <trochej> lkthomas: About six
[08:50:42] <lkthomas> no matter it's 10years ago file or 10days
[08:50:44] <lkthomas> trochej, woo
[08:50:47] <lkthomas> it's too much man
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[08:51:31] <CosmicDJ> lkthomas: samfs will make this transparent to your users
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[08:51:43] * lkthomas forget what the hell is samfs
[08:52:09] <lkthomas> are you talking about QFS ?
[08:52:27] <CosmicDJ> no
[08:53:01] <CosmicDJ> I'm talking about the Storage Archive Manager
[08:53:52] <_mary_kate_> SAM is the HSM part of SAM-QFS
[08:54:00] <lkthomas> so is it using zfs on the back ? no ?
[08:54:04] <_mary_kate_> (QFS is the filesystem part)
[08:54:50] <lkthomas> SAM cost money, right ?
[08:55:51] <lkthomas> I see
[08:55:53] <lkthomas> opensourced
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[08:59:17] <CIA-57> Dhanaraj M <Dhanaraj.M at Sun dot COM>: 6752427 Deadlock between p_lock and a_lock
[09:00:59] <lkthomas> LOL
[09:01:04] <dsturnbull> wow, 'zfs unmount -a' is bad
[09:01:14] <lkthomas> I think it is time to change it back to lzjb for some department :P
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[09:07:44] <gerard13> hello all, i've set zfs quota on a dataset, and if i create a big file, i have strange results http://pastealacon.com/1413
[09:08:04] <gerard13> there is a file which size is bigger than quota
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[09:09:30] <_mary_kate_> gerard13: mkfile creates a sparse file of the requested size, then goes back and fills it with data
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[09:09:36] <_mary_kate_> zfs only counts actual data, not empty files
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[09:11:36] <gerard13> thanks _mary_kate_, i'll try to fill the file with data
[09:11:45] <_mary_kate_> you already did, that's why you got the error
[09:13:47] <gerard13> but it's strange to see a file with 1g size, if it's not a file?
[09:13:53] <lkthomas> :P:
[09:13:54] <lkthomas> LOL
[09:14:05] <_mary_kate_> gerard13: on unix, if you don't write data to a file, the file takes no space on disk
[09:14:06] <lkthomas> start to getting bash from departments about speed of storage server, LOL
[09:14:08] <DTEIT> morning
[09:14:08] <_mary_kate_> that's called a sparse file
[09:14:25] <_mary_kate_> 'ls' reports the apparent size of the file, not the amount of space it takes on disk
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[09:14:30] <_mary_kate_> du reports the amount of space it uses on disk
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[09:14:43] <gerard13> but is it possible to know if a file is a sparse file or not?
[09:14:53] <_mary_kate_> yes, look at 'ls' and 'du'
[09:14:57] <gerard13> ok i understand
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[09:15:54] <gerard13> my command is dangerous, because if a person do a rsync of the rep, the "sparse" file will be transformed in real file, i suppose?
[09:16:47] <pumpkin_> can I make a 16 exbibyte sparse file?
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[09:17:01] <freetown> how many zeros is that?
[09:17:13] <pumpkin_> the theoretical maximum filesize
[09:17:20] <pumpkin_> I guess 2^64 - 1
[09:17:42] <freetown> cor...they have terms defined for all them levels already?
[09:18:01] * freetown still trying to wrap head about peta
[09:18:05] <pumpkin_> apparently they go up to yobibyte
[09:18:09] <pumpkin_> which is 2^80
[09:18:28] <gerard13> pumpkin_: 1 exbibyte = 260 bytes on wikipedia
[09:18:35] <gerard13> 2^60
[09:18:39] <pumpkin_> yup
[09:18:43] <pumpkin_> but I said 16 of them
[09:18:55] <pumpkin_> :)
[09:19:08] <CosmicDJ> yobibyte? lol
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[09:19:21] <freetown> maybe Yogi Bear named them
[09:19:28] <CosmicDJ> hehe right
[09:19:35] <pumpkin_> CosmicDJ: they're trying to mirror the yotta- prefix for decimal powers
[09:19:45] <pumpkin_> but yeah, yogibyte would be cuter :P
[09:19:51] <pumpkin_> better than the average byte
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[09:36:11] <lkthomas> guys
[09:36:18] <lkthomas> I got a question, if I change compression=lzjb
[09:36:26] <lkthomas> how could I change all old file to use new compression method ?
[09:37:32] <Okona> copy it
[09:37:32] <tsoome> u rewrite them:)
[09:37:38] <Berny> copy them
[09:37:45] <lkthomas> copy it ?!
[09:37:47] <lkthomas> what do you mean ?
[09:37:59] <lkthomas> copy in and out you mean ?
[09:38:17] <Berny> copy them so they get compress with the new algorithm and delete the old file
[09:38:31] <Berny> or tar them somewhere else and restore them
[09:39:12] <lkthomas> so there have no on fly method ? :)
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[09:40:19] <Berny> not at the moment
[09:40:32] <Berny> as far as i know there are plans to get that in the future
[09:40:43] <lkthomas> hmmm
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[09:41:05] <Berny> i.e. compress existing files after flipping compression on, recompress/reencrypt using different algorithms
[09:41:25] <Berny> but as of now it's only forward i.e. not affecting existing data
[09:41:33] <lkthomas> yeah
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[09:47:26] <codestr0m> I'm not used to doing this by hand, but am I doing something wrong here..  ldd libbz2.so.1.0.4 doesn't show anything, but ldd bzip2-shared does look correct..
[09:47:26] <codestr0m> cc -m64 -L.  -shared -Wl,-soname libbz2.so.1.0.4 blocksort.o huffman.o crctable.o randtable.o compress.o decompress.o bzlib.o
[09:47:26] <codestr0m> cc -m64 -fast -KPIC -L. -R. -lbz2 -o bzip2-shared bzip2.c libbz2.so.1.0.4
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[09:58:49] <bradd> hi. how can I list pci devices in SXCE?
[09:59:16] <CIA-57> Yong-Feng Du <Yongfeng.Du at Sun dot COM>: 6758620 enable MPxIO for SATA drives with valid GUID
[09:59:17] <CIA-57> Serge Dussud <Serge.Dussud at Sun dot COM>: 6744624 cron may ignore jobs when initializing if system clock is reset
[10:06:06] <CosmicDJ> bradd: /usr/X11/bin/scanpci ?
[10:06:52] <bradd> not there
[10:08:05] <lkthomas> haha
[10:08:16] <lkthomas> looks like more snapshot, more slow zfs performs ?
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[10:08:49] <trochej> Coffee
[10:09:03] <trochej> That makes half of today norm
[10:09:47] <lkthomas> hehe
[10:11:19] <bradd> anyone know if there is a HCL for SXCE on sparc hardware for sound cards? I am trying a sb live, but openfirmware gives me a Data Access Error for that card
[10:13:46] <palowoda> Heh only one company (name of which I forget) ever produced a third party audio card for sparc machines many years ago.  Nobody was interested in third party sparc audio cards after that.
[10:14:10] <palowoda> In other words dead end road.
[10:14:40] <bradd> well my sparc hardware has pci slots so I was hoping I could use one of those
[10:16:00] <palowoda> hoping?
[10:16:30] <bradd> meaning there would be drivers available
[10:18:13] <palowoda> Haven't seen much activity in the sparc audio driver market.
[10:20:05] <bradd> i found oss, which has support for solaris 11 / sparc so i'm going to look for info on that
[10:20:12] <tsoome> anyone used tcp_fin_wait_2_flush_interval tuning?
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[10:46:15] <tynar> hey someone help me with fontconfig
[10:46:38] <tynar> i can't install it(from source) on solaris
[10:47:31] <codestr0m> tynar: you need fontconfig-2.6.0-r2 ?
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[10:47:56] <tynar> i have downloaded fontconfig 2.6
[10:48:25] <codestr0m> ok. well. I've only got one patch  "${FILESDIR}"/${P}-parallel.patch and that shouldn't affect you
[10:48:32] <codestr0m> what error are you getting?
[10:48:54] <tynar> 1 sec
[10:49:02] <tynar> how is your room?
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[10:49:13] <CosmicDJ> pastebin
[10:49:19] <tynar> ok
[10:49:23] <codestr0m> tynar: we're not going anywhere
[10:50:15] <codestr0m> tynar: I'm just going to guess what you need is to make sure you have added -I/where/your/Includes to your cflags
[10:50:51] <tynar> http://pastebin.com/d40394f10
[10:51:14] <tynar> here the output, i can succeed configuring
[10:53:40] <dmarkey_> anyone here on the opensolaris help mailing list?
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[10:55:55] <codestr0m> tynar: pastie your configure including any LDFLAGS and CFLAGS you've set.. I can see the error, but not sure what you've done
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[11:01:31] <tynar> ok codestr0m
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[11:03:21] <tynar> codestr0m, here they are http://pastebin.com/d2de1a0d7
[11:04:59] <codestr0m> tynar: what happens if you add the correct -R as well and also add -i to your cflags?
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[11:06:24] <CosmicDJ> uptime
[11:06:28] <CosmicDJ> ww
[11:07:10] <CosmicDJ> btw, having -lstdc++ in LDFLAGS doesn't sound right...
[11:08:51] <CosmicDJ> oh vmware is from EMC... didnt know that
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[11:41:29] <tynar> codestr0m: export LDFLAGS="-L/opt/dep/lib -L/opt/mono/lib -L/opt/sfw/lib -L/usr/sfw/lib -L/usr/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lstdc++" made it
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[11:43:24] <codestr0m> tynar: the way you're doing things is probably going to give you trouble in the future.. gcc/gnu ld or whatever that you have going on may work though
[11:44:00] <tynar> why? what's wrong with settings?
[11:44:28] <CosmicDJ> "-lstdc++"
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[11:46:56] <tynar> what's wrong with that, i can delete it
[11:47:20] <CosmicDJ> you know what this does/is?
[11:47:24] <tynar> i even don't know what is that, just added it, after searching some forums
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[11:49:23] <CosmicDJ> you shouldn't mess with stuff you don't unterstand IMHO
[11:51:01] <tynar> since i am a newbie. learning unix, i deleted it and relogged in
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[11:52:19] <houst0n-> CosmicDJ: The best way to learn something is to mess with it =)
[11:52:36] <houst0n-> And hell, I see the word "mono" in there which is scary
[11:52:42] <CosmicDJ> houst0n-: you can't learn from copy'n'paste
[11:52:50] <houst0n-> Well, true I guess
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[11:54:29] * houst0n- drums fingers waiting for SS12 to download
[11:54:40] <houst0n-> Any prog with b100?
[11:55:04] <fraggeln> houst0n-: "friday" :D
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[11:55:32] <houst0n-> Guh
[11:55:35] <houst0n-> Bad juu juu
[11:57:21] <trochej> Elo
[11:58:38] <houst0n-> Mornin
[12:00:20] <trochej> Coffee?
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[12:05:15] <palowoda> What is with the mojo wanting b100 lately?  Font fixes.
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[12:09:44] <houst0n-> palowoda: vtty support also =)
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[12:09:48] <houst0n-> + i need a rebuild
[12:10:15] * houst0n- found a folder called "/usr/gaaaaaah" which appears to contain .. everything in /usr with different md5sums
[12:10:24] <houst0n-> ;)
[12:10:33] <houst0n-> + broadcom drivers will be good
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[12:12:34] <poi> Hi - I'm booting from zfs.  Is it possible to clone the boot pool, send it to another disk (with in the same system) and boot off the clone?
[12:15:34] <oxygene> poi: might just work. if you want to boot off the other disk, you have to recreate the boot sector on that disk
[12:16:02] <palowoda> houst0n-: Ok, as long as vconsole is a big selling point for the build.  But I wonder just how much demand that specific option will gain new users.  As for braodcom drivers, broadcom really needs to get their act together and claim if they are going to be part of the open source community.
[12:18:07] <poi> I'm thinking that a clone booted of a different disk/slice maybe faster then creating another liveupgrade BE
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[12:19:11] <palowoda> But how do you clone the boot sector?
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[12:23:57] <dsturnbull> anyone have problems with either si3132 cards or sata-ii ncq giving shitty (technical term) raidz write performance?
[12:24:39] <dsturnbull> i.e. 4 sata disks in IDE emulated mode on the motherboard's sata ports gives ~110MB/s write, 5 sata disks on the si3132 cards ~25
[12:25:10] <dsturnbull> this is with the snv_99 so i expect the si3124 interrupt bug is fixed
[12:25:41] <palowoda> Heard of problems in general with 3124's.  But who is the manufacture of the controller you are using?  Just curious.
[12:25:50] <dsturnbull> in any case i can write to the /dev/rdsk devices at 70-80MB/s concurrently
[12:25:58] <dsturnbull> skymaster/unitek
[12:25:58] <palowoda> 3132 cards that is.
[12:26:15] <palowoda> 3124 seem ok.
[12:26:52] <dsturnbull> i suspect zfs is doing something funny with NCQ..
[12:28:02] <palowoda> Curious is this a pci-e 1 or 4 lane controller?
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[12:30:18] <dsturnbull> it's 4 1x 2-port cards
[12:30:22] <dsturnbull> 3, sorry
[12:30:44] <dsturnbull> it's a temporary solution while i await a local supplier for some of the LSI/SuperMicro cards that everyone seems to rave about
[12:30:51] <palowoda> Wow what motherboard has 3 1x lanes?
[12:31:20] <palowoda> Model number that is.
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[12:33:33] <palowoda> I can get about 100MB write out of a single 1x lane pci-e cheap motherboard.  But I'm interested in motherboards that have 3 or more 1x lane pci-e's.
[12:34:00] <palowoda> This is with the 3124 chip.
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[12:37:14] <dsturnbull> gah, i forgot the motherboard
[12:38:04] <dsturnbull> it has IO out the arse.. 16x, 8x, 3 1x and 2 PCI slots, and about 18 USB ports :)
[12:38:21] <dsturnbull> 20, in fact
[12:38:34] <palowoda> Cool I don't care about guessing. :)
[12:38:50] <dsturnbull> my disks are only specced to about 70-80MB/s and the cheapo si3132 cards can definitely do it
[12:39:07] <palowoda> Well back to the drawing board.
[12:39:46] <DTEIT> i just installed sxce on a new server...after the reboot it gave me an error about xvm not starting
[12:40:03] <DTEIT> forced a reboot and the OS isn't starting anymore
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[12:40:25] <DTEIT> if i try to boot failsafe it says no so images found
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[12:41:18] <palowoda> A failsafe xvm boot?
[12:41:40] <palowoda> Only?
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[12:42:37] <DTEIT> failsafe xvm...i think it's just failsafe
[12:42:50] <palowoda> Oh it doesn't boot at all?
[12:43:16] <DTEIT> at all :-)
[12:43:25] <palowoda> Details?
[12:45:07] <DTEIT> nothing...just says no os found
[12:45:26] <DTEIT> with failsafe....normal mode just hang before configure /dev
[12:46:07] <palowoda> That is what you call details?
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[12:46:46] <DTEIT> ehm...i don't have other issues...i mean...it's just a plain new installation
[12:47:09] <palowoda> You mean it worked before?
[12:47:28] <DTEIT> the server yes...with liux but it was working
[12:47:42] <palowoda> What is liux?
[12:47:42] <DTEIT> this is the first solaris install
[12:47:47] <DTEIT> sorry....linux
[12:47:54] <palowoda> Never heard of it.
[12:47:59] <DTEIT> lol
[12:48:11] <palowoda> Thought you would like that.
[12:48:38] <palowoda> Not that it's going to change your situation.
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[12:50:18] <DTEIT> i'll try another install...maybe this time i'll have more luck
[12:51:25] <palowoda> Computers and luck are always something you can depend on.
[12:52:18] <DTEIT> yes
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[13:13:32] <codestr0m> maybe I'm missing something, but anyone know of a way to generate a patch for onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/perl against the current version? failing all else I'll diff the directories..
[13:14:21] <palowoda> Wouldn't you have to submit an upstream patch to the perl distribution?
[13:14:45] <codestr0m> palowoda: I think I wasn't clear in my question..
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[13:17:02] <phimic> hey all
[13:17:28] <phimic> is there a early pre release of opensolaris 2008.11?
[13:17:47] <palowoda> Yeah it comes before November.
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[13:19:43] <palowoda> It's Oct so anything Indiana release before Nov is considered a pre release of 2008.11.
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[13:21:56] <phimic> is there a solaris build newer than the 2008.05 release
[13:22:14] <palowoda> Many.
[13:22:51] <palowoda> 2008.05 is kind of old.
[13:23:29] <codestr0m> since I'm mucking around with perl today.. anyone in here who actually uses it think it's worth my effort to get 5.10 building vs less effort to get 5.8 building.. I'm not sure if there's any real gain in this?
[13:23:35] <phimic> palowoda: which one should i take
[13:24:01] <palowoda> phimic: check the latest release on genunix.org site.
[13:27:33] <palowoda> codestr0m: Did you want to make an "ARC case" to get that specific version build into the Neveda (SXCE) release which Indiana (OpenSolaris) officially released?
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[13:28:10] <codestr0m> palowoda: ARC case? :P
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[13:29:03] <palowoda> codestr0m: Did you want everybody to have the latest release plus the patches you wanted to submit available to all?
[13:29:34] <palowoda> You want the changes in Nevada right?
[13:29:35] <codestr0m> palowoda: they'll be available..
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[13:30:16] <codestr0m> palowoda: 1) I think it's slightly crackhead to put perl in gate instead of something like SUNWperl, but I guess I can understand it's probably been that way for a long time
[13:30:47] <phimic> palowoda: thank you for the cool link
[13:31:03] <palowoda> But you need an ARC case to get it into SUNWperl.
[13:31:26] <codestr0m> palowoda: I'll explain once it's done
[13:33:23] <palowoda> phimic: Yeah some good details about distributions of opensolaris are often missed on the genunix.org site.  But as time goes on more will review the details.  And the site has a faster connection to the net.
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[13:34:13] <palowoda> codestr0m: You have to explain it to the borg.  AKA the ARC.
[13:37:37] <stepmuel> hey there. I want to setup a new server with opensolaris with a mirrored zfs boot pool
[13:37:44] <stepmuel> the productive machine won't have a dvd drive and I wonder how I can install software updates and additional software
[13:37:44] <stepmuel> is there a web repository? and which opensolaris "branch" should I chose?
[13:39:19] <palowoda> By "dvd" did you mean it won't have a CD drive to install the first release?  Are you planing to physically remove the cd drive?
[13:40:16] <stepmuel> palowoda: yes. the server only has a cd drive. a dvd drive is attached right now, but i can't close the case.
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[13:41:44] <palowoda> Well you can use ips update after the initial install to update.  Opensolaris (AKA Indiana) updates with with incremental changes that way.
[13:42:09] <palowoda> It's magic.
[13:42:56] <palowoda> Patches with Indiana are no longer what we think they are.
[13:43:28] <stepmuel> ips updates work over internet?
[13:43:36] <palowoda> Well yes.
[13:43:48] <stepmuel> great :-) and adding software to?
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[13:43:53] <palowoda> Yes
[13:44:01] <palowoda> Super magic
[13:44:24] <palowoda> Should piss off the support folks too.
[13:45:11] <palowoda> By that I mean it's free.
[13:45:23] <stepmuel> :-)
[13:46:38] <stepmuel> so, I have to install the solaris express ce first, and have a upgradeable system, even without cd or dvd drive?
[13:46:57] <palowoda> Solaris Express is NOT OpenSolaris.
[13:47:28] <stepmuel> ok. but opensolaris supports booting from zfs?
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[13:47:35] <palowoda> Both do.
[13:48:21] <stepmuel> ok. so I should install 200.5?
[13:49:50] <palowoda> Try both distributions.  Pot luck on which one you should try first.  The OpenSolaris 200xxxxx your talking about contains the magic IPS (packaging system).
[13:53:17] <palowoda> Amazed how Sun communication has totally failed to define the difference of SXCE and OpenSolaris to this date.
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[13:54:42] <trochej> yup
[13:55:02] <SunTzuTech> wow. and you're amazed?
[13:55:05] <oxygene> palowoda: amazed? seriously? calling something new after something old, and then wondering that no-one figures it out? ;)
[13:55:20] <oxygene> esp. if old and new are somewhat related, and both are still alive
[13:55:20] <stepmuel> palowoda: on http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/: "It is built from the latest OpenSolaris source and additional technology that has not been published in the OpenSolaris source base"
[13:55:21] <palowoda> It's like voting for Barack or McCain.  Barack would be OpenSolaris, MaCain would be SXCE
[13:55:37] <SunTzuTech> anil couldn't market his way out of a wet tissue paper bag
[13:55:42] <oxygene> heh
[13:55:50] <norman> palowoda: And Bush is Linux?
[13:55:52] <stepmuel> I thought it may be something like ubuntu with restricted drivers...
[13:56:02] <palowoda> Anil is toilet paper at this point.
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[13:56:31] <SunTzuTech> he must have pictures......
[13:57:32] <palowoda> SunTzuTech: If I would make an analogy Anil rakes up there with Chaney.
[13:58:10] <palowoda> Waiting for the heart attack.
[13:58:54] <palowoda> It's going to happen.
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[14:00:49] <SunTzuTech> I wonder if Cheney's pacemaker is RFI shielded
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[14:01:19] <palowoda> Just like Anil's best that money can buy.
[14:02:10] <SunTzuTech> yep....
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[14:02:29] <SunTzuTech> that would be news.  Death by linear amplifier...
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[14:03:40] <palowoda> Times a changing, It's like watching a movie.  It's worth 10 dollars.
[14:04:28] <SunTzuTech> that's 2 shares
[14:04:30] <stepmuel> ok. booting from zfs is possible since juni 4 (http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/) and the current opensolaris version has 2008.05 in its name? could this be a problem?
[14:05:10] <oxygene> juni 4 of which year?
[14:05:14] <palowoda> The current 2008.05 is obsolete.
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[14:05:32] <stepmuel> 2008?
[14:05:37] <oxygene> stepmuel: that remark is about sxce's installer
[14:05:54] <palowoda> How long has it been sence the May release?
[14:06:02] <oxygene> stepmuel: booting from zfs is supported for at least a year (on x86)
[14:06:35] <oxygene> given that it's not shot down yet, way too long
[14:07:08] <stepmuel> I wonder why it is called opensolaris.org, if all the stuff only matters to sxce :S
[14:07:23] <palowoda> Actually the May release of Opensolaris isn't really the "May" release.
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[14:08:22] <stepmuel> has it been updatet since the first release?
[14:08:40] <palowoda> Sure but that is a secret.
[14:10:19] <stepmuel> august 25? thats better. :-)
[14:10:46] <palowoda> You know there has been two major release of OpenSolaris proper, plus the secert ones.
[14:11:35] <palowoda> Next month in Nov is the Chaney release.
[14:11:40] <palowoda> Oh :)
[14:12:02] <stepmuel> should I wait for it?
[14:12:30] <nowhere_man> could someone help me install OS under Xen?
[14:12:39] <nowhere_man> I've tried three methods so far, none worked
[14:13:04] <nowhere_man> HVM way, Xen's BIOS couldn't boot from the ISO I have (which boots fine in QEMU)
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[14:13:17] <nowhere_man> with pygrub, the bootloader doesn't return any data
[14:13:27] <palowoda> stepmuel: Yeah in the meantime install the SXCE release (AKA Regan release) of Opensolaris.
[14:13:30] <nowhere_man> I also tried extracting the kernel and ramdisk
[14:14:59] <palowoda> nowhere_man: Please listen, which OS are you installing.  nowwhere_man the world is at your command.
[14:15:21] <palowoda> Damn I'm getting tired.
[14:16:32] <nowhere_man> I'm using 2005.08
[14:16:33] <palowoda> By the way is xvm Xen having problems with build 99?
[14:16:33] <stepmuel> palowoda: but the SXCE has no online-package manager, in the build 99 the x server is broken and the full install is really big. is there any advantage over the 2008.5?
[14:16:48] <stepmuel> and can't I upgrade to 2005.11 from both?
[14:17:09] <nowhere_man> 2008.05, sorry
[14:17:56] <palowoda> nowhere_man: Oh Indiana your on a different xvm bug track.
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[14:18:35] <nowhere_man> palowoda: should I use another one with Xen?
[14:18:45] <palowoda> stepmuel: I really don't care what you think about the disk space used by SXCE vs OpenSolaris.
[14:19:16] <palowoda> nowhere_man: You have the same problem with SXCE?
[14:20:32] <nowhere_man> palowoda: didn't try SXCE
[14:20:38] <palowoda> Ah well.
[14:21:01] <nowhere_man> can it be download without registering on Sun's website?
[14:21:25] <palowoda> Hey give some false bullshit see if I care.
[14:22:04] <Stric> nowhere_man: no
[14:22:17] <Stric> nowhere_man: is that a problem?
[14:23:09] <nowhere_man> yes, it is
[14:23:32] <nowhere_man> a minor one, but still
[14:23:51] <Stric> using the internet is probably of larger concern
[14:24:12] <palowoda> It's dangerous to use computers too.
[14:24:30] <Stric> fingerprints on the keyboard etc
[14:24:37] <palowoda> It's dangerous to go hunting with Chaney also.
[14:24:51] <Stric> I seldom do
[14:25:10] <palowoda> Thus don't use a computer while hunting with Chaney while registering Solaris.
[14:25:26] <Stric> and use gloves. then burn them.
[14:26:03] <Stric> and/or burn Chaney
[14:26:33] <palowoda> Well use Chaney's name to register Solaris.
[14:27:22] <palowoda> Nobody important is going to care.
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[14:35:43] <stepmuel> does anyone know the command for the text based opensolaris installer? the gui doesn't seem to support zfs...
[14:36:41] <Stric> boot net -- nowin    I think
[14:36:41] <palowoda> The text based install is a 'menu' optoin during the install.
[14:36:52] <palowoda> optoin
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[14:37:03] <palowoda> damn option
[14:37:29] <palowoda> Number 4 during the insall.
[14:37:47] <palowoda> install.  Heck that it for me I need some sleep.
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[14:39:29] <twisti> codestr0m, I made another 64-bit build of OpenJDK.
[14:39:51] <twisti> I wasn't that successful with IcedTea (too lazy) so I built OpenJDK directly.
[14:40:18] <codestr0m> twisti, heh
[14:40:32] <codestr0m> is that 1.6 or 1.7?
[14:40:38] <twisti> 1.6
[14:40:42] <twisti> http://rafb.net/p/bwTBKV70.html
[14:41:04] <codestr0m> how much work was it?
[14:41:14] <twisti> Actually very simple.
[14:41:19] <codestr0m> and I'm fiddling around trying to build perl 5.10 (my first perl build) and it's not friendly
[14:41:23] <twisti> I used my32-bit IcedTea to build it.
[14:41:30] <codestr0m> hahaha.. cheating!
[14:41:40] <codestr0m> do you think jdk6 that's included could just build it?
[14:41:46] <twisti> Yes.
[14:41:55] <twisti> But THAT is cheating :)
[14:42:04] <codestr0m> no way.. first time around it's fair game :P
[14:42:05] <tynar_> how can I know which Cairo I am using?
[14:43:00] <twisti> tynar_, In an application or what version is installed on your system?
[14:45:21] <tynar_> twisti: acutally i wanted to install new libgdiplus, and installed it. also trying to install c# bundles. i must know where the cairo settings are stored. version on system
[14:45:53] <tynar_> twisti: what version on system
[14:46:06] <twisti> tynar_, Check the libcairo version.
[14:46:39] <tynar_> twisti: it must be in /usr/lib by default
[14:47:04] <twisti> Yes, if it's an OpenSolaris package.
[14:47:38] <Stric> pkg-config --modversion libcairo  or so
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[14:48:18] <Stric> just cairo
[14:48:30] <twisti> Right, always forget about pkgconfig.
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[14:55:26] <tynar_> i see the version 1.4
[14:56:30] <tynar_> if i uninstall it, and compile from source to somewhere different from others, will there be any problems on libgdiplus?
[14:57:16] <tynar_> since libgdiplus requires cairo, i want to update my cairo to latest and see if there are any bugs
[14:57:37] <twisti> Honestly, I don't know.
[14:58:06] <tynar_> also by default cairo is not installed. I installed it fro msunfreeware
[14:58:25] <twisti> What kind of Solaris are you using?
[14:58:30] <tynar_> solaris 10
[14:58:41] <tynar_> closed
[14:58:43] <tynar_> :)
[14:59:29] <CIA-57> Jon Anderson <Jonathan.Anderson at Sun dot COM>: 6720748 Surya resolver path can fail to update the IRE when IPMP is configured
[15:00:17] <tynar_> my sun update manager never finished updating
[15:01:41] <CosmicDJ> pca is far superior IMHO
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[15:02:45] <CosmicDJ> smpatch and however they were named before suck compared with pca
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[15:12:06] <Alasdairrr> Yes, I have no idea how sun can produce such bad patch management tools with so many dependencies. It's like they assume everyone installs everything and run X on their servers.
[15:12:35] <Alasdairrr> "Sorry, you installed 'core', you can't update your system". *installs pca instead*
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[15:15:50] <CosmicDJ> Alasdairrr: pca isn't standalone, too... you'll need perl and wget and maybe a bunch of other programs
[15:16:36] <sickness> is there a simple and fast way to install mplayer on opensolaris ips99 ?
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[15:21:58] <CosmicDJ> sickness: add the blastwave ips repo and install mplayer from there
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[15:27:28] <sickness> uhm, I'll try with lifewithsolaris.jp first tnx =)
[15:28:26] <DTEIT> one question: if i have different ethernet card but just one configured
[15:28:40] <DTEIT> can i see them with ifconfig -a?
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[15:31:10] <CosmicDJ> DTEIT: if one nic isn't plumb'ed, IIRC it won't show up in ifconfig
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[15:32:34] <DTEIT> ok....let's suppose i don't remember wich card i have in the system
[15:32:53] <DTEIT> how can i plumb the interface?
[15:33:03] <DTEIT> or better...how can i discover the interfaces?
[15:34:25] <holcomb> dladm
[15:35:18] <DTEIT> oh great! thanks
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[15:38:29] <poi> Que on ZFS snapshots- I have a rpool - I then create a snapshot.  I remove  file /FILERM.txt   I rollback. Should file FILERM.txt be restored?
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[15:40:44] <CosmicDJ> poi: yep
[15:40:57] <DTEIT> and what if i cannot find an interface even with dladm?
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[15:42:38] <CosmicDJ> poi: btw you can also access that file through .zfs/snapshot/snapshot_name/FILERM.txt AFAIK
[15:42:53] <CosmicDJ> DTEIT: is your nic supported?
[15:43:13] <DTEIT> CosmicDJ: i'm 99,9% sure
[15:43:30] <DTEIT> it should be broadcom eth
[15:43:45] <DTEIT> those come with hps
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[15:44:02] <codestr0m> I'm not sure who the perl maintainer is for ON.. I'm making notes and possibly patches which could be useful to him at some point.. how/who do I find.. or should I just put this somewhere and post on the ml
[15:44:27] <holcomb> can someone do a uname -a for me on osol or sxce?
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[15:45:04] <codestr0m> holcomb: SunOS fuzzy 5.11 snv_96 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris == amd64 current osol
[15:45:19] <codestr0m> well. not current.. should be snv_99 or snv_100
[15:45:19] <DTEIT> holcomb: SunOS srv-storage 5.11 snv_99 i86pc i386 i86pc = amd64 as well
[15:45:21] <holcomb> gracias
[15:46:33] <Okona> any idea, why OS does not show console users via 'last'?
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[15:47:28] <poi> hmm - not sure what I'm doing wrong. These are my steps:
[15:47:29] <poi> 1. zfs snapshot -r rpool@today
[15:47:31] <poi> 2. rm /FILERM.txt
[15:47:32] <poi> 3. zfs rollback - r rpool@today
[15:47:33] <poi> But no file
[15:47:35] <poi> I can see the file .zfs/snapshot/snapshot_name/FILERM.txt
[15:49:04] <timsf> poi what OS are you running?
[15:49:46] <poi> build 99
[15:50:14] <timsf> and df -h / shows you the rpool as the thing being mounted?
[15:50:43] <poi> yes
[15:50:58] <jbk> morning
[15:51:37] <timsf> d'oh.
[15:51:45] <timsf> poi  / isn't mounted on rpool
[15:52:00] <timsf> / is mounted on rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-xxx for indiana
[15:52:08] <timsf> cd /rpool
[15:52:11] <timsf> touch file
[15:52:16] <timsf> snapshot rpool@file
[15:52:19] <timsf> rm file
[15:52:24] <timsf> zfs rollback rpool@file
[15:52:27] <timsf> will work.
[15:53:11] <Okona> might it be possible that it has something to do with the legacy mount
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[15:53:28] <poi> timsf: ahh - ok - I will give that a go .. thanks
[15:53:28] <timsf> nope, just that rpool isn't the thing being mounted.
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[15:54:24] <tynar> someone succeeded installing glib from source???
[15:55:01] * twisti is waiting for codestr0m to pop up
[15:57:12] <tynar> hey twisti, have you ever compiled gtk+?
[15:58:14] <codestr0m> twisti: pong
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[15:58:56] <twisti> codestr0m, Did you see the question?
[15:59:26] <twisti> Oops, I missed the missing c in glib.
[15:59:48] <twisti> codestr0m, But maybe you've also built these already?
[16:00:05] <jstephan> does anyone know how to find martin bochnig?
[16:00:31] <tynar> twisti, is codestr0m packager?
[16:00:40] <zacharym> I've got SXDE, is it possible to update to a later version?
[16:00:58] <timsf> I bet bitching about sparc support of Xorg on a mailing list somewhere would find him pretty quickly ;-)
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[16:01:10] <tynar> wow I made it for the first time
[16:01:10] <Alasdairrr> DISK CRITICAL - free space: /zpool01 9007199254740992 MB (721440948076%)
[16:01:17] <Gekz> lol
[16:01:18] <Alasdairrr> That's a lot of free space
[16:01:19] <Gekz> you broke it
[16:01:30] <codestr0m> twisti: missed the question and read up pretty far
[16:01:48] <tynar> twisti: i've compiled it
[16:01:51] <twisti> codestr0m, <tynar> someone succeeded installing glib from source???
[16:01:57] * tynar is dancing
[16:01:58] <twisti> tynar, Cool.
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[16:03:10] <codestr0m> twisti: tynar knows I have, but he's 1) on sparc 2) using gcc 3) doesn't really listen
[16:03:11] <tynar> twisti, codestr0m: having environment settings correct makes life easier. Today i have compiled many libs without hard work really
[16:03:36] <codestr0m> tynar: yes of course, but from your pastie earlier it still looked wrong
[16:03:47] <tynar> i corrected it today
[16:04:01] <tynar> i hope i corrected
[16:04:04] <zacharym> SunOS iceshadow 5.11 snv_64a i86pc i386 i86pc ... is it even possible to update this?
[16:04:23] <holcomb> yes.  use liveupgrade
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[16:06:06] <zacharym> is that the Sun Update Manager?
[16:06:51] <zacharym> because I cannot find live upgrade, the web page says a download isn't needed for more recent releases
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[16:07:09] <tynar> guys my Sun Update Manager never finishes updating, i left it open for one day, I am surprised how long does it take to download patches, updates
[16:07:29] <houst0n-> tynar: Don't use that thing, it's crap
[16:07:34] <houst0n-> I use pca for almost all my patching needs
[16:07:38] <houst0n-> pkg-get -i pca
[16:08:15] <tynar> houst0n: i really don't want to use pkg-get
[16:08:23] <houst0n-> But yeah, patching solaris takes a while - there's a lot going on though it's backing up files so you can revert should they cause problems etc
[16:08:27] <houst0n-> tynar: why not?
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[16:09:20] <tynar> houst0n, once i used, but got many errors, dependency errors
[16:09:42] <houst0n-> Really? I've not had a problem .. well there is a new pkg-get util now called "pkgutil"
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[16:09:47] <zacharym> There are no valid BEs available for Activate operation
[16:10:13] <houst0n-> If you have probs with blastwave/pkg-get let us know =)
[16:10:17] <houst0n-> Here to help etc
[16:10:43] <houst0n-> zacharym: you need to lucreate first
[16:10:49] <houst0n-> What build are you on?
[16:10:50] <tynar> houst0n, instead i am using sunfreeware, but it some packages from there also seems buggy.  the best solution is compile from sources
[16:10:55] <houst0n-> update the lu bits first from the dvd
[16:11:31] <tynar> houst0n, you are the maintainer from blastwave?
[16:11:32] <poi> timsf: thx that worked. But I'm confused (easily done!) with mount points. If I need some old /var/adm/messages and I have snap of /roolpool - then the mount points wrong and I can't get the files? - right
[16:11:37] <houst0n-> tynar: Depends what you're using + why, I use blastwave for most thing (although I'm a little biased as i'm a maintainer), mplayer/transmission/vim/screen/tcsh - stuff I can't be arsed building
[16:12:14] <tynar> houst0m transmission seems like the torrent client?
[16:12:24] <tynar> i used a Mac for a while
[16:12:28] <houst0n-> Yeah, give it a go and let me know if you have any problems with it =)
[16:12:31] <zacharym> houst0n-: snv_64a
[16:12:39] <timsf> poi - nope, you just need to know where /var/adm was mounted on your system
[16:12:39] <houst0n-> It's avail at http://blastwave.network.com/testing/index_cron.html
[16:12:41] <timsf> cd /var/adm
[16:12:42] <timsf> df -h .
[16:12:45] <timsf> shows that
[16:12:53] <houst0n-> zacharym: Ouch
[16:13:01] <timsf> then just refer to the ZFS filesystem that contains it.
[16:13:01] <houst0n-> Are you planning on LU'ing into a zfs root?
[16:14:00] <tynar> houst0n: have you ever emulated sparcs?
[16:15:31] <zacharym> houst0n-: no... I did lucreate -n upgrade, I'm at the disk slice screen, trying to press F3 to save, it just goes to help.
[16:15:41] <_mary_kate_> zacharym: don't use the LU gui
[16:15:57] <_mary_kate_> it's a) useless and b) deprecated
[16:16:39] <houst0n-> tynar: Emulated?
[16:16:52] <zacharym> _mary_kate_: it tok me there after lucreate -n upgrade
[16:16:53] <houst0n-> I have two here, so never needed to
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[16:17:04] <tynar> which ones?
[16:17:06] <tynar> do you have
[16:17:08] <_mary_kate_> zacharym: what are you trying to do?
[16:17:25] 
[16:17:30] <houst0n-> Oh i've got access to tons erm
[16:17:36] <_mary_kate_> it'll open a GUI if you don't specify what you want to do on the command line, which you didn't do there.. that command doesn't make much sense
[16:17:39] <houst0n-> Here there's a netra X1 and an old ultra10
[16:17:43] <_mary_kate_> oh, wait, is this ZFS LU?
[16:17:53] <houst0n-> blastwave has .. tons and tons, my office has a few but I can't really use those for dev
[16:17:56] <houst0n-> they're busy =)
[16:18:23] <_mary_kate_> zacharym: try lucreate -p <pool> -n <BE name> - assuming you already have the LU-capable ZFS packages installed (which is b90 or so)
[16:18:38] <zacharym> I'm not using ZFS
[16:18:39] <houst0n-> _mary_kate_: He's going from snv_65 or something
[16:18:43] <houst0n-> SXDE
[16:18:47] <houst0n-> I'd go with a rebuild mate =)
[16:19:06] <zacharym> I just want this to save, yet when I go to save, it goes to help
[16:19:27] <_mary_kate_> zacharym: okay.  firstly, make sure you add the LU packages from the OS version you're upgrading to, it's a required step (although people often forget it)
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[16:19:50] <_mary_kate_> zacharym: then you need a complete command: lucreate -n my_new_be -m /:/dev/dsk/whatever:ufs
[16:20:09] <_mary_kate_> (-m is used to specify filesystems for the new environment)
[16:20:26] <zacharym> ok
[16:20:36] <zacharym> now to figure how to get the new lu packages
[16:20:52] <_mary_kate_> they're on the CD, there's a script somewhere called 'liveupgrade20' (i think) - run that and it'll install them
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[16:21:06] <_mary_kate_> probably in Tools/ or so
[16:21:07] <tynar> qemu was acceptable solution for sparcs, i haven't seen any other emulator
[16:21:09] <tynar> s
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[16:21:40] <zacharym> on the cd for the new release?
[16:21:45] <_mary_kate_> zacharym: yes
[16:21:51] <_mary_kate_> (or the dvd, if you have that)
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[16:22:01] <zacharym> i thought the live update would download the stuff
[16:22:01] <houst0n-> tynar: I used qemu a while ago on freebsd - wasn't too impressed tbh
[16:22:09] <houst0n-> virtualbox is faster by .. lots
[16:22:24] <tynar> houst0n: virtualbox does not support sparcs as far as i know
[16:22:29] <_mary_kate_> houst0n-: i liked this one for old sparcs: http://people.csail.mit.edu/fredette/tme/
[16:22:33] <zacharym> I might as well just use the dvd to upgrade then
[16:22:36] <houst0n-> my vista vm boots in about 1 second longer than it did on the bare metal in virtualbox
[16:22:48] <Yorlik> The source for mysql5 in sxce - are these exactly the ones delivered with SFW ?
[16:22:53] <_mary_kate_> zacharym: no.  the purpose of live upgrade is to perform the upgrade without touching the running system.  then you reboot into the newly upgraded system
[16:23:08] <holcomb> good for patching too
[16:23:12] <_mary_kate_> yep
[16:23:15] <zacharym> ah, the name is a bit misleading personally
[16:23:31] <_mary_kate_> well, it's 'live' as opposed to upgrading with the DVD, which is... not-live
[16:23:36] <_mary_kate_> (since the system is down while you're upgrading)
[16:23:44] <_mary_kate_> if you want a debian-like upgrade, look at 2008.05
[16:23:58] <zacharym> I'll just download the dvd, and boot the ISO
[16:24:00] <_mary_kate_> that still uses an LU-like upgrade process, but it's much faster (because of zfs) and it downloads the stuff to be upgraded from the internet
[16:24:01] <zacharym> I mean boot it
[16:24:07] <houst0n-> zacharym: Just be happy it's not "Sun java enterprise system live upgrade for solaris hosts"
[16:24:13] <zacharym> hehe
[16:25:00] <h3sp4wn> How practical is it to get openboot working on x86 (The board is a gigabyte 570 SLI that is/was supported by linuxbios) but I want to boot Solaris
[16:25:24] <_mary_kate_> h3sp4wn: probably very difficult
[16:25:33] <_mary_kate_> at least, to do it properly (reading the device tree from opb, etc)
[16:25:52] <houst0n-> openboot on x86? eek
[16:26:28] <poi> timsf: So /var/adm is  /rpool/ROOT/ZFS_01.  Which is mounted on /. So if I remove messages.2 and rollback the file should be in /rpool/ROOT/ZFS_01? I'm trying to get my head around this.
[16:30:14] <timsf> poi more that / is mounted on that ZFS filesystem, but yes otherwise
[16:30:48] <timsf> /var/adm is just a directory on your root filesystem (unless you've asked /var to appear on a separate ZFS filesystem)
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[16:37:34] <slash> hello
[16:37:47] <slash> please fsdik -l under solaris
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[16:40:30] <houst0n-> wat?
[16:40:57] <slash> houst0n-: in linux i did fdisk -l for seeing my partition disk
[16:41:12] <slash> and in solaris i don't know what i'll do
[16:41:27] <houst0n-> type "format" to see the avail disks
[16:41:39] <seanmcg> man fdisk
[16:41:39] <houst0n-> Also moinak wrote a great little app for viewing ldevs etc of these called prtpart
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[16:42:07] <houst0n-> http://blogs.sun.com/moinakg/entry/solaris_x86_partition_table_viewer
[16:42:28] <slash> seanmcg: i did man disk but doesn't help like in Linux
[16:42:37] <slash> houst0n-: thank you
[16:43:06] <seanmcg> slash, you be missing a 'f' there. :)
[16:43:29] <seanmcg> and you didn't see the -W flag ?
[16:44:04] <slash> i must take 1 month for understand that vsolaris
[16:44:11] <slash> solaris
[16:44:16] <codestr0m> This is perl, v5.10.0 DEVEL34523 built for i86pc-solaris-thread-multi-64
[16:44:22] <seanmcg> fdisk -W - /dev/rdsk/c0t0d0p0
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[16:44:54] <houst0n-> slash: There's still a bit of a gap yes, there are many people working on fixing that though
[16:44:57] <houst0n-> =)
[16:45:54] <_mary_kate_> you can't fix solaris not being linux.. that's always going to take effort
[16:45:57] <Doc> solaris sucks. linux is much better
[16:46:24] <houst0n-> _mary_kate_: I didn't exactly mean that, who would want to be linux? :P
[16:46:33] <slash> Doc: linux too easy heheh Slackware it's easy ditrub
[16:46:39] <houst0n-> It's good for embedded stuff I guess
[16:46:42] <slash> distub *
[16:46:50] <zacharym> why would you want Solaris to be just like Linux? why not just have Linux only then?
[16:47:19] <slash> zacharym: i want study about OS Net
[16:47:22] <houst0n-> zacharym: Many people who are making the jump to solaris have problems even with the basic commands because linux hides/hid so much from them
[16:48:02] <slash> zacharym: i used bsd too but it doesn't same solaris
[16:48:23] <slash> maybe they have same Father
[16:48:28] <houst0n-> Your adv. ubuntu person has probably never seen a bash prompt, let alone be expected to use beadm/lucreate/svcadm etc
[16:48:34] <houst0n-> So there's a jump =)
[16:48:59] <slash> houst0n-: i never use ubuntu
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[16:49:32] <slash> houst0n-: Slack and kalombo , and conectiva long time
[16:49:46] <houst0n-> I've never really used linux, spent years with freebsd
[16:49:52] <houst0n-> Used gentoo for a while
[16:49:56] <houst0n-> Oh, i use arch on my little eeepc
[16:50:00] <slash> houst0n-: freebsd easy too
[16:50:00] <houst0n-> that doesn't count though
[16:50:21] <DTEIT> i get some infos in dmesg abou a shared irq
[16:50:39] <DTEIT> but with mdb i get that irq used only by one device
[16:50:58] <DTEIT> that is exactly the nic that doesn't work
[16:51:36] <holcomb> it might not share nicely
[16:51:59] <holcomb> you can try putting it in a different slot or playing with the bios
[16:52:19] <DTEIT> in the bios i didn't find anything rekating irqs
[16:52:32] <DTEIT> they are these stupid bios' from hp
[16:52:43] <DTEIT> and the card is the integrated nic
[16:52:45] <houst0n-> Are HP's as bad as dell?
[16:53:04] <DTEIT> with solaris it's seems so :-)
[16:53:10] <DTEIT> at least on this model
[16:53:21] <tynar> houst0n why so?
[16:53:22] <h3sp4wn> This HP is ok - all Centrino Pro's have bluetooth and nic and wifi on the same irq
[16:53:26] <DTEIT> the funny thing is that i added only two hp cards
[16:53:37] <houst0n-> I have a dell bios which causes ehci to take a minute long pause while the box is booting
[16:53:44] <houst0n-> Not bethered trying to figure out why yet
[16:54:16] <tynar> which laptop solaris users advice, i am going to buy acer ones
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[16:54:37] <h3sp4wn> There is something that Solaris is lacking though (Suse Enterprise on this laptop has those things on high irq's over 200)
[16:54:42] <houst0n-> tynar: Just don't try to install it on an eeepc which has 512mb ram, it's not pretty
[16:54:46] <houst0n-> :P
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[16:56:10] <DTEIT> i have also a lot of these lines
[16:56:11] <DTEIT> devfsadmd[70]: [ID 393209 daemon.error] failed to add the property inquiry-serial-no to event attributes
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[16:59:42] <tynar> houst0n, i will have to, install opensolaris on 1 or 2 gb capable acers with intel core 2 duo 2
[16:59:50] <kvanals> Does anyone here know the status of a few ZFS-related issues, such as a corrupted zpool bringing a server down as well as the possibility of removing a device from a pool after it has been added?
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[17:00:39] <sommerfeld> kvanals: both of those are FAQ's.
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[17:02:13] <kvanals> sommerfeld, Right.  Both are mentioned in the FAQ as "being worked on," hence the question of status.
[17:02:23] <sommerfeld> question 1 (severe corruption bringing down solaris): there has been a lot of work on this front; expect this to improve in s10uN over time.  best practice is to let zfs do mirroring and/or raidz.
[17:04:03] <sommerfeld> there was a recent integration into nevada which significantly hardened ZFS against device errors.
[17:04:12] <kvanals> What would the ZFS best practice be for dealing with SAN-attached storage, which already does the RAID?  Doing RAID-Z on top of an array seems like it would cause a performance hit as well as loss of storage space.
[17:04:37] <sommerfeld> zfs best practice would be to let zfs do the mirroring.
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[17:06:43] <kvanals> Hm.  So ZFS is meant more for JBOD-like configurations at the moment?
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[17:10:56] <holcomb> it brings additional features (such as making way more copies of the uberblock and being able to checksum things better) but it will work on virtualized luns
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[17:13:05] <_Steve_> hi folks, i'm running mysql on zfs. the mysql docs say to set the record size to 16kb, anyone know how this will affect compression if it's enabled? (this is on freebsd, but should be the same as solaris)
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[17:14:56] <sommerfeld> Steve: compression should work, but maybe not as effectively as with 128kb blocks.
[17:15:33] <kvanals> holcomb, So if I present one extra LUN to a particular server and do RAID-Z, would that be the "best thing" I could do for virtualized LUNs and ZFS?
[17:15:34] <holcomb> kvanals: http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_private/validateUser.do?target=Systems/J4400/J4400
[17:15:37] <holcomb> :)
[17:15:38] <_Steve_> yeah, i'm wondering how much less effective... does it get to the point of not being worth it? i guess i'd need to do somebenchmarking...
[17:16:03] <sommerfeld> kvanals: how many LUNs total?  if it's 2, use mirroring.
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[17:16:30] <kvanals> sommerfeld, It'll be closer to seven or eight.
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[17:16:31] <holcomb> are the luns redundant in and of themselves?
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[17:21:12] <kvanals> holcomb, Indeed.
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[17:25:08] <nowhere_man> I finally got to correct my Xen config so that I can boot OS 2008.05 CD in an HVM guest
[17:25:18] <nowhere_man> but now I get this error: http://pthierry.pck.nerim.net/~pierre/2008/10/opensolaris/xen-hvm-1.png
[17:25:57] <_Steve_> of course, i just realized I needed to do all that before putting the DB on the filesystem...
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[18:16:13] <RavenSlay3r> Morning all
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[18:16:51] <RavenSlay3r> In SXCE (Gnome) how does one force-quit an application that is not responding - via the GUI?
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[18:18:54] <blahee> RavenSlay3r: is there xkill still available somewhere in menus? xkill is "point-and-shoot" application which supposed to kill what ever target you point it to :)
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[18:22:09] <RavenSlay3r> blahee: thats exactly what I was looking for - not in the menus but alt-f2 was able to find it
[18:23:01] <blahee> RavenSlay3r: i usually fork it from terminal, but you were after _GUI_ anyway :)
[18:23:31] <RavenSlay3r> It used to be bound to alt+ctrl+esc in linux/kde, but the keybinding isn't set in any of the newer gnome releases - no idea why
[18:24:08] <RavenSlay3r> i couldn't find the process in the terminal list - and some days i want to do it in a hurry
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[18:30:56] <RavenSlay3r> thanks blahee
[18:31:42] <RavenSlay3r> odd.. in Config Editor: /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse "Single Click" is already checked - but single clicking icons does not work.
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[18:38:40] <epruett_1975> Anyone know anything about virtualBox running on Open Solaris?
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[18:38:51] <RavenSlay3r> a little - whats the question?
[18:39:40] <epruett_1975> I have tried to load Red Hat 4.5 32bit, but when it get's to the unloading kernel portion, it just hangs up on me...
[18:40:05] <RavenSlay3r> is sthat when the red-hat is shuttdown?
[18:40:33] <epruett_1975> No, this is after I built it in Virtual Box and tried to boot up for the first time
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[18:42:59] <RavenSlay3r> IDK :( I have it working fine with OpenSuses11.0
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[18:44:04] <epruett_1975> It is probably something I have done.
[18:44:52] <RavenSlay3r> u remebered to remove the install CD right? ;)
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[18:45:32] <epruett_1975> Another quick one, where do I save my Xserver settings? Used to be under /usr/X11 or /etc/X11...
[18:45:34] <CosmicDJ> epruett_1975: which kernel ver. is that?
[18:45:51] <epruett_1975> It is 2.6
[18:46:00] <CosmicDJ> 2.6.??
[18:46:13] <epruett_1975> RHEL?
[18:46:22] <blahee> 2.6.9
[18:46:46] <CosmicDJ> hm ok, too old for the race cond. mentioned in http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes ...
[18:46:47] <blahee> (actually it's 2.6.9 + couple tons of patches)
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[18:50:41] <RavenSlay3r> In Nautilus how do I get rid of the "Documents" icon on top and replace it with "Home"?
[18:51:15] <RavenSlay3r> I figure out I coudl do this for the desktop using Config Editor: /apps/nautilus/desktop/ but can't find the setting for the nautilus file-manager
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[18:53:40] <RavenSlay3r> Found the "single click" setting: /app/nautilus/preferences/click_policy
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[19:10:48] <codestr0m> the code which SSX produces really makes a difference in some micro benchmarks.. even over SS12
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[19:22:12] <gnut> hi all
[19:22:48] <gnut> I'm setting up apache22 with ssl on b99. my svc logs show that it finds the private key, but needs the passphrase but how do I give it to the service?
[19:23:01] <gnut> should it pop open a dialog?
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[19:25:00] <CosmicDJ> no, sounds like you did smth wrong; google for apache ssl and try to understand what they're doing
[19:26:48] <gnut> i'm reading it
[19:26:55] <gnut> some people say you should not encrypt your PEM keys
[19:27:17] <gnut> does that sound right? make it unreadable to world, but have no passphrase?
[19:27:27] <_mary_kate_> if you encrypt the keys, you can't start apache automatically.  (unless you wrote the passphrase in a file, but that hardly seems more secure than unencrypted keys)
[19:27:51] <gnut> yeah
[19:28:04] <gnut> i thought that it should pop open a dialog, but I guess that can't be.
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[19:28:31] <gnut> I used to do this on FreeBSD, and since I started apache on the command-line manually with apachectl startssl, it would pause and I could type in the passphrase
[19:28:40] <CosmicDJ> pop up? ever wondered why daemons can be restarted with a SIGHUP?
[19:29:24] <gnut> CosmicDJ: i've never seen a pop up, correct. i was just wondering how SMF handled things that might need user info.
[19:29:45] <_mary_kate_> there is a 'pop up' on the terminal when you start apache by hand
[19:30:23] <gnut> _mary_kate_: okay... so with SMF, I just have to remove the passphrase?
[19:30:29] <_mary_kate_> yes
[19:30:29] <gnut> I guess I'll just do that.
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[19:55:39] <asoar1> hello, i want to ask you something, opensolaris 2008.5 has a nice window effect - when you click a window, the rest of the windows slide away from it and go behind it, in a nice 3d style, does anyone know how it is called and how to enable it ? is it from compiz ?
[19:56:33] <L031008> i think it is compiz
[19:56:38] <Auralis> its from compiz yes
[19:57:32] <L031008> Hi, is there a guide on how to make a software package for opensolaris? (i want to package weechat).
[19:58:54] <asoar1> i've been looking for that efect everywhere and couldn't find it in the compiz advanced settings window
[19:59:00] <asoar1> do you have any idea how it is called ?
[19:59:43] <m2acis> gnut: Wasn't there a possibility to tell apache, that ssl pass phrase can be "heard"/"read" from some command?
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[20:00:12] <m2acis> where "command" is script that outputs pass phrase in clear text
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[20:14:39] <grobian> codestr0m: it means anyone of us touches the ebuilds if necessary
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[20:23:08] <Tilt> any recomendations on a sound daemon to use ?
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[20:23:40] <Tilt> since if i try and watch a movie and have gaim up, gaim crashes when it tries to write to the sound device
[20:24:04] <Auralis> oss
[20:25:21] <Tilt> oss is non_blocking now ?
[20:25:37] <_mary_kate_> oss has had a virtual mixer for ages
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[20:28:53] <gnut> m2acis: hmmm... don't know.
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[20:30:33] <dustman> hi
[20:30:52] <x58> ello
[20:31:33] <dustman> I've installed SXCE b99 and opensolaris 2008.05 on my linux host running VirtualBox
[20:31:50] <dustman> problem is SXCE doesn't start X
[20:31:59] <dustman> while OS does
[20:31:59] <oxygene> known bug, I think
[20:32:03] <x58> Known issue
[20:32:15] <x58> It is a problem with fonts.
[20:32:20] <dustman> what about native install?
[20:32:58] <x58> The console install fails, the gui install works, but won't let you select ZFS as a root file system.
[20:32:59] <dustman> will it work? or should I just wait for 2008.11?
[20:33:29] <dustman> actually I can see Gui for Grub
[20:33:35] <x58> dustman: If I remember correctly there is a workaround available to get it to start X11, use the power of Google
[20:33:58] <dustman> x58: thank you
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[20:34:37] <x58> I would look it up for you, however I am on an system without a GUI running :P and I am not that great with Links yet.
[20:34:40] <dustman> btw, gui install worked... half-way
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[20:35:17] <dustman> after reboot it got into repeated loop of trying to install sxce again and again
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[20:35:29] <dustman> and finally VB hanged
[20:35:42] <dark_matter> you could always use vmware for 30 days for free while waiting for a fix.
[20:35:55] <oxygene> or download vmware server 2, which is a free download
[20:36:44] <dustman> dark_matter: well, I used linux while waiting for network card (original attansic l1 didn't work)
[20:37:52] <dark_matter> just don't try to build the kernel under vmware. that is a problem, at least with the current flavor of vmware fusion.
[20:41:39] <stepmuel_> how do i configure a network device in opensolaris?
[20:41:52] <CosmicDJ> with ifconfig
[20:42:08] <CosmicDJ> (IP, netmask, etc)
[20:42:27] <stepmuel_> ok. ifconfig is for the ip and netmask. but how do I add the default gateway?
[20:42:40] <CosmicDJ> route
[20:43:36] <stepmuel_> ok. "route add default <IP>" ?
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[20:44:29] <CosmicDJ> stepmuel_: take a look at /lib/svc/method/net-physical and search for /etc/defaultrouter
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[20:59:14] <CIA-57> Krishna Yenduri <Bhargava.Yenduri at Sun dot COM>: 6722032 symmetric crypto scalability issues on batoka
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[21:16:00] <codestr0m> anyone care about dtrace patches for perl 5.10?
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[21:18:58] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: http://blogs.sun.com/alanbur/entry/dtrace_and_perl
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[21:20:16] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: yeah reading that, but it's not in O/N
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[21:20:40] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: yeah, sadly, I noticed the same for ruby...
[21:20:56] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: I'll make a note of that when it comes time to package ruby
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[21:21:00] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: I mean, even apple's ruby has dtrace probes in ruby, but not opensolaris wtf?
[21:21:27] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: I need someone who is using ruby in production to help test.. if you're interested
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[21:22:03] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: uh no, I just did some "hello world" in ruby :)
[21:22:10] <codestr0m> and the reason the patches aren't in there is that O/N is a mirror from production solaris.. so they are uber conservative
[21:22:17] <codestr0m> oh.. you don't count then I think
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[21:23:24] <codestr0m> twisti_home: you have any benchmark apps for java you think would be fun to run?
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[21:26:04] <twisti_home> codestr0m, DaCapo.
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[21:27:45] <codestr0m> twisti_home: cool. I'll ping you about more details in the not-too-distant future.. maybe we can do a linux vs opensolaris java performance mash-up .. my bets on linux ;)
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[21:29:10] <twisti_home> codestr0m, Then I bet on OpenSolaris. A beer? ;)
[21:29:13] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: wasn't there a "if linux is faster, it's a bug in solaris" ;)
[21:29:45] <codestr0m> twisti_home: I don't bet, but in this case.. sure
[21:30:07] <twisti_home> Haha!
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[21:30:40] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: heh.. honestly.. there would be a lot acknowledged bugs then ;)
[21:31:45] <codestr0m> a lot more*
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[21:35:07] <CosmicDJ> for example?
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[21:38:03] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: ignore me until I do some sort of benchmark :) (for what it's worth I do have high hopes opensolaris does exceed expectations)
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[21:48:22] <loquitus_of_borg> Hey folks. How do I restart my TCP/IP stack in OpenSolaris so that it gets an ip, using nwamd?
[21:50:34] <Tilt> svcadm
[21:51:02] <Tilt> svcadm restart svc:/network/physical:nwam
[21:51:41] <Tilt> check and make sure it's running with svcs -a | grep -i nwam
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[21:52:10] <Tilt> well the -i isn't needed, i just use it out of habbit
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[21:54:50] <Tilt> omg don't EVER inhale hot sauce
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[21:55:04] <Tilt> tasty in the mouth is NOT so good in the lungs
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[21:59:55] <codestr0m> loquitus_of_borg: svcadm restart nwam
[22:00:48] <codestr0m> Tilt: yeah.. don't touch your eyes after handling peppers either :P
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[22:01:38] <CosmicDJ> or don't peel an onion w/o diving goggles ;)
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[22:12:22] <Yorlik> Where can I get the codebase for the webstack delivered with sxce ?
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[22:12:57] <Yorlik> Is it in the SFE sources ?
[22:13:04] <Yorlik> err .. SFW
[22:13:39] <seanmcg> Yorlik, some of it is in SFW, some of it is in ON, depending on which bit of the stack you be looking at
[22:14:09] <Yorlik> Allright ... So I can use SFW to reproduce the php packages ?
[22:15:02] <Yorlik> I need to modify two things: 1. get mcrypt support for php and 2. get apr_dbd_mysql.so for apache2 mod_dbd
[22:15:41] <CosmicDJ> http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack/
[22:15:51] <Yorlik> Coolstack is said to be for S10
[22:15:55] <CosmicDJ> click on Cool Stack 1.3.1 and select "Source"
[22:16:26] <CosmicDJ> hm...
[22:16:29] <seanmcg> Yorlik, yes, php is in sfw
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[22:16:55] <Yorlik> CosmicDJ: Would you recommend for the purpose of building to use coolstack rather than SFW and ON  when I am on sxce ?
[22:16:56] <seanmcg> you can use src.opensolaris.org, select the sfw and search for the bits
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[22:17:14] <Yorlik> seanmcg: sound logical to me.
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[22:18:11] <Bon_Jovi> xD
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[22:18:54] <Yorlik> I still don't understand why there is no unified single source tree for sxce which can be accessed by svn or something. I'd wish to have something like they have in FreeBSD or Gentoo.
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[22:19:49] <niq> Yorlik: +1
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[22:20:38] <moazamraja> are SXCE builds release 10 *business days* after ON release?
[22:20:44] <moazamraja> or just ..10 regular days?
[22:20:57] <Yorlik> 10 Sundays ....
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[22:21:06] <moazamraja> *sigh*
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[22:21:23] <h3sp4wn> moazamraja: If there is a pattern I still have not found it
[22:21:28] <moazamraja> oh
[22:21:42] <moazamraja> is there...an open mailing list which tracks the progress?
[22:21:50] <moazamraja> i.e., "not released yet...here is why.....coming soon...."
[22:22:04] <CosmicDJ> moazamraja: 10 *when it's done* days :)
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[22:23:26] <moazamraja> suckage.
[22:23:32] <moazamraja> need b100 to get my laptop working
[22:23:36] <moazamraja> otherwise no network
[22:23:46] <moazamraja> tried hax0ring just the driver, must've done it wrong, didn't work
[22:24:07] <seanmcg> moazamraja, which driver ?
[22:24:51] <alanc> nv_100 had to be respun - I would guess that caused the SXCE release to skip 100 and wait for 100a, but I don't even know of an internal list to find these things out
[22:25:33] <alanc> (well, I know the list where new builds and respins like 100a are announced, just not how that affects SXCE delivery)
[22:25:47] <holcomb> what was the cause?
[22:25:50] <holcomb> just curious
[22:26:30] <alanc> compiler bug in the new Studio 12 version ON switched to, had to upgrade to a new patch level
[22:26:46] <holcomb> ah
[22:26:49] <alanc> couldn't get any stack information out of mdb on amd64 in the first one
[22:28:39] <alanc> looks like there was also an incorrect license file in one of the open source packages, which would probably cause them to not release the original build and wait for the respin
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[22:30:35] <moazamraja> seanmcg: broadcom
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[22:33:03] <CosmicDJ> see how open opensolaris is, not even the devs know why it's not out yet...
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[22:33:55] <CosmicDJ> btw there is a http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b100/
[22:34:31] <seanmcg> moazamraja, whats your problem with the bge nic ?
[22:34:31] <moazamraja> yeah...but I don't know how to turn that into a bootable installable OS
[22:34:53] <moazamraja> seanmcg: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6603710
[22:34:57] <seanmcg> you can build it and bfu.
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[22:35:05] <moazamraja> Request: support for Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express(pci14e4,1713.17aa.3861.2)
[22:35:42] <seanmcg> that should be in b100
[22:35:58] <moazamraja> seanmcg: so, install b99...somehow get the bits to the laptop (remember, no network), and build the b100 bits, then BFU?
[22:36:05] <seanmcg> you could pull the src for b100 and just build that driver.
[22:36:05] <moazamraja> yeah, that's why I'm looking for b100
[22:36:14] <moazamraja> seanmcg: any docs/guide on how to do that?
[22:36:36] <moazamraja> a few days ago, I figured b100 is right around the corner, I'll just wait
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[22:37:24] <seanmcg> to build the bits ? http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/devref_toc
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[22:38:02] <seanmcg> then 'sneaker-net' to put the driver onto the laptop (via usb for instance..)
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[22:38:20] <CosmicDJ> you don't need to build anything; there is a pre-built bfu archive
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[22:38:59] <moazamraja> i tried placing the driver bits from the BFU archive into place (kernel/drv/......)
[22:39:02] <moazamraja> didn't work
[22:39:11] <CosmicDJ> but someone here said it's only for kernel devs who know what they're doing and that you won't be able to lu or smth
[22:39:13] <moazamraja> might ahve done it wrong
[22:39:51] <seanmcg> moazamraja, did you update driver_aliases file with update_drv ?
[22:39:57] <moazamraja> i believe I did
[22:40:01] <CosmicDJ> moazamraja: no one ever said that kernel modules from a newer build will work with an older kernel...
[22:40:03] <moazamraja> cant rememeber the exact steps i took
[22:40:21] <moazamraja> CosmicDJ: precisely. i got a ton of 'symbol not found' type of messages
[22:42:47] <CosmicDJ> I'd just wait for 100(a) or, if they skip 100, 101...
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[22:43:37] <alanc> CosmicDJ: oh, I know why OpenSolaris 100 isn't out yet, but SXCE has never really been open, just made available for developers
[22:44:06] <CosmicDJ> alanc: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b100/ isn't OpenSolaris 100?
[22:44:35] <alanc> CosmicDJ: no, it's ON build 100, just the kernel/drivers/core utilities, not the entire OS
[22:45:00] <alanc> doesn't have X, JDS, storage, etc.
[22:45:10] <hspaans> alanc: opensolaris may be a better choice? (haven't looked into it yet)
[22:45:30] <alanc> though NWS (storage) folded into ON for build 102
[22:45:44] <seanmcg> and about time too :)
[22:45:45] <alanc> hspaans: for what?
[22:46:02] <codestr0m> do you sun guys ever get tired of putting more stuff into ON?
[22:46:39] <alanc> I've put a total of one line into ON (the vnc-server entry in /etc/services), so I'm the wrong person to ask
[22:47:09] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: i though the same. i started blogging about solaris features a few months back. i can't keep up with them releasing new stuff... it so annoying ;)
[22:47:11] <codestr0m> well. I'm not saying all sun employees are like that. it was more a general question about perception..
[22:47:28] <hspaans> alanc: I'm trying to give opensolaris a place for me on how to compare it to sxce and solaris
[22:47:38] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: there's a difference between *new* stuff and just pushing *more stuff into ON*
[22:47:50] <alanc> my total lines putback to X may actually have gone negative now though, from all the ancient bits I deleted in the process of replacing them with current X.Org bits
[22:48:19] <codestr0m> :) that's right. you're the guy working on the 1.5 bits
[22:49:33] <alanc> hspaans: I completely missed the prior discussion, so I don't know what you're looking for or want.   OpenSolaris is a good choice for people who want to be able to easily update to the latest builds approx. every two weeks - just pull the changes down from the IPS repository instead of downloading the full DVD iso's of SXCE that have a gigabyte or so of bits you already have
[22:50:20] <alanc> for running a server that has to be up 24 x 7 and has financial consequences if it's not, I'd still stick to Solaris 10 with a solid support contract for now
[22:50:41] <alanc> until we get the opensolaris long-term-support/enterprise-edition/whatever-they-call-it out
[22:51:06] <dsturnbull> special champion edition
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[22:52:09] <alanc> "Solaris: The Reimagining"
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[22:57:35] <hspaans> alanc: I mean just for personal use. I'm using Solaris in $dayjob for $bank;-)
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[22:59:14] <CIA-57> <gerald.jelinek at sun dot com>: 6564672 capped memory in zone not visible as capped, 6759393 swapctl32 fails in zone
[22:59:14] <CIA-57> Dan McDonald <danmcd at sun dot com>: 6760006 Clustering-inspired sadb_buf_pkt() should be called from AH/ESP instead of IP.
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[23:00:55] <epruett_1975> HI, how do you open up remote X display within Open Solaris?
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[23:02:28] <epruett_1975> I have tried multiple things to include "svccfg -s svc:/application/x11/x11-server setprop options/tcp_listen = true"
[23:03:38] <alanc> epruett_1975: you also need to go into the gdm configuration to tell it to stop overriding the svccfg and forcing it off
[23:03:39] <rpage> how do you configure ssh client from timing out on session
[23:03:39] <rpage> <rpage> would this be the remote side or local side
[23:04:03] <epruett_1975> trying to display back to my local box...
[23:05:14] <alanc> I think you need DisallowTCP=false in /etc/X11/gdm/custom.conf but you may need to check the docs to confirm that
[23:05:36] <epruett_1975> Ok, I will check that out...
[23:05:53] <seanmcg> epruett_1975, ssh -X ?
[23:06:15] <alanc> that's what I use, which is why I don't remember the right gdm magic
[23:06:41] <epruett_1975> For ssh, try /etc/ssh/sshd_config; change LoginGraceTime to 0
[23:07:03] <epruett_1975> Honestly didn't try ssh -X...I know, silly! Let me try
[23:07:28] <rpage> do samba comes installed on opensoalris by default?
[23:08:01] <epruett_1975> ssh -X didn't work either...
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[23:09:47] <alanc> did it give an error?
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[23:11:06] <hspaans> rpage: if correct yes
[23:12:18] <epruett_1975> Error: Can't open display:
[23:12:35] <epruett_1975> I also did a xhost +
[23:12:40] <alanc> sounds like ssh -X failed to set $DISPLAY
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[23:12:53] <alanc> normally it sets it to something like localhost:10
[23:13:38] <seanmcg> epruett_1975, on sshing into the remote machine did you change DISPLAY ?
[23:14:26] <epruett_1975> I did and still got the same problem...
[23:14:57] <seanmcg> shouldn't change the DISPLAY var with ssh -X, ssh sets that up for you
[23:15:18] <epruett_1975> I have tried it with changing and without...
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[23:16:53] <epruett_1975> Got it, the script was actually setting the display, so I changed that to the localhost entry and it worked!! Thanks!
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[23:17:57] <epruett_1975> Another question, when I boot up, my machine does not plumb up the interface and set all of the network info (IP, netmask, etc...)
[23:18:24] <epruett_1975> Nevermind, I just figuered out...I think...
[23:19:20] <epruett_1975> Thanks for the help everyone!!
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[23:43:07] <ahmed-tux> hi
[23:43:34] <ahmed-tux> what's the 1st OS , Unix or MSdos
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[23:44:14] <badtruffle> neither
[23:44:15] <Tilt> out of those two ?
[23:44:24] <Tilt> unix is older than dos afaik
[23:44:24] <badtruffle> first in what sense? :P
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[23:46:16] <ahmed-tux> Tilt: i mean what's the older one
[23:46:22] <ahmed-tux> UNIXORMSDOS
[23:46:34] <ahmed-tux> UNIx or MSDOS
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[23:46:50] <ahmed-tux> Tilt: thank you
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[23:47:06] <seanmcg> cpm was older than dos
[23:47:39] <Tilt> IOS was older than cpm
[23:47:51] <Tilt> i think SAGE was older than that
[23:47:59] <Tilt> and sage was the first RTOS
[23:48:00] <badtruffle> babbage's difference engine was older than those
[23:48:10] <seanmcg> the abacus was older again
[23:48:20] * badtruffle fails
[23:48:59] <ahmed-tux> and what's the older OS in the world ??
[23:49:01] <Tilt> von neumann (one of my personal heroes) kinda had his own operating system
[23:49:11] <badtruffle> ahmed-tux: depends how you define OS :)
[23:49:30] <ahmed-tux> badtruffle: Operatin system i mean
[23:49:48] <ahmed-tux> badtruffle: cause many people thing that msdos the older one
[23:49:51] <seanmcg> you mean a von-neumann based machine or otherwise ?
[23:50:00] <badtruffle> ahmed-tux: I mean depends how you define operating system
[23:50:01] <ahmed-tux> think
[23:50:14] <badtruffle> ms-dos isn't it, by any reasonable definition
[23:50:20] <Tilt> but i think unix was WAY before dos
[23:50:23] <ahmed-tux> badtruffle: genaral
[23:50:40] <Tilt> and ms-dos was a later dos
[23:50:45] <ahmed-tux> Tilt: unix 1965 and msdos 1981
[23:50:48] <badtruffle> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_systems_timeline
[23:51:36] <badtruffle> there was a nice diagram showing the inheritance of operating systems
[23:51:39] <badtruffle> but I can't find it now
[23:51:43] <Tilt> i know the guy who wrote that page, and we've had arguments about it
[23:51:55] <badtruffle> which, the diagram?
[23:52:00] <badtruffle> or the list?
[23:52:07] <Tilt> the timeline
[23:52:10] <Tilt> on wikipedia
[23:52:11] <badtruffle> ah yeah
[23:52:14] <Tilt> he's on efnet
[23:52:20] <ahmed-tux> badtruffle: thank you very mucch
[23:52:44] <badtruffle> ahmed-tux: keep in mind it's hard to make a list like that
[23:53:22] <Tilt> The first modern computer was the German Zuse computer (Z3) in 1941. In 1944 Howard Aiken of Harvard University created the Harvard Mark I and Mark II. The Mark I was primarily mechanical, while the Mark II was primarily based on reed relays. Telephone and telegraph companies had been using reed relays for the logic circuits needed for large scale switching networks.
[23:53:54] <ahmed-tux> Tilt: h's goeal it's war
[23:53:59] <Tilt> the argument is if it was based on an operating system or not
[23:54:00] <ahmed-tux> his*
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[23:54:40] <Tilt> 1946 was von neumann's
[23:55:02] <Tilt> and the first solid state computer was in bell labs in 1954
[23:55:21] <Tilt> "TRADIC"
[23:56:01] <Doc> i built my C64 in 1949!
[23:56:37] <Tilt> lol
[23:57:50] <Doc> and we didnt have real valves, so we used fake ones like they use in heart surgery!
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