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[00:07:03] <dunkyp> is there any chance that the repo will be fuller when 2008.11 is released??
[00:07:19] <dunkyp> or more up to date for blastwave
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[00:12:21] <alanc> dunkyp: there's lots of packages being added in each bi-weekly build as we approach 2008.11 release
[00:13:14] <alanc> I know xchat, ncurses, groff were just added recently - and a couple dozen more I'd have to look up the list to name
[00:13:39] <alanc> oh, guess he left without waiting for an answer
[00:14:09] <Asako> yay xchat
[00:14:33] <Asako> how about bitlbee?
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[00:17:55] <alanc> haven't heard of it
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[00:18:41] <alanc> google found it, sounds cool, but I don't know if anyone's packaged it yet
[00:20:02] <Asako> getting it to compile is a pain
[00:20:10] <Asako> and make install errors out
[00:20:17] <Asako> but I got it working
[00:21:06] <edgy> Hi, /var/yp/Makefile contains lines like: passwd.time: $(PWDIR)/passwd $(PWDIR)/shadow                 what does this line exactly means? is it a check whether the file already exist?
[00:24:05] <seanmcg> it means the file 'passwd.time' is dependant on $(PWDIR)/passwd and $(PWDIR)/shadow existing beforehand
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[00:27:10] <edgy> seanmcg: thanks. and the last section of the file contails lines like: $(PWDIR)/shadow: standing alone with no dependency what this means please?
[00:27:52] <seanmcg> means it doesn't depend on anything...
[00:28:32] <e^ipi> anyone happen to know if there's a way to get firefox to give you the http status of the last transaction?
[00:28:37] <seanmcg> if $(PWDIR)/shadow isn't on your system then you've got other trouble :)  ( PWDIR=/etc at the top of that makefile)
[00:28:39] <edgy> seanmcg: why the need to  mention it then?
[00:28:55] <seanmcg> makefile dependencies..  its a makefile
[00:29:20] <seanmcg> read enough of them and you'll figure out some things.   Other things remain somewhat vague.
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[00:30:44] <seanmcg> edgy, they're there for completeness sake I think.
[00:30:49] <edgy> seanmcg: ok thanks a lot for the hints
[00:31:21] <edgy> seanmcg: yes I got it. it seems there is no default and i need to explicitly mention all targets maybe
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[00:38:28] <kalebral> I was trying to install a program on OpenSolaris (build 99) using python setup.py install and it tells me it can't find rpc/rpc.h - can anyone tell me what package I am missing?
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[00:40:54] <alanc> kalebral: SUNWhea
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[00:42:17] <codestr0m> I've setup a chroot, but I don't have any network resolution.. as in I can't even ping an ip from inside it.. the chroot manual doesn't give much info.. tips?
[00:42:38] <codestr0m> (I assume I'm missing some mount to dev or something)
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[00:43:14] <e^ipi> codestr0m, use zones? *shrug*
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[00:44:22] <Metallica> hi
[00:44:40] <codestr0m> a zone isn't the right tool in this case
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[00:46:15] <Metallica> still having sound problem
[00:46:25] <Metallica> the device use VMIX
[00:46:38] <Metallica> i don't know why ?
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[00:46:58] <e^ipi> codestr0m, create a zone and chroot in to the zone root ? ;)
[00:47:32] <e^ipi> (it works, i've done it... )
[00:48:09] <codestr0m> while I must admit. that's pretty clever.. I think it (should) be possible to do this from the global zone
[00:49:25] <e^ipi> you're probably just missing something somewhere
[00:49:30] <kalebral> alanc: thank you
[00:49:37] <Metallica> e^ipi: the starter kit it's good for understanding oprn solaris i don't want try it cause it biiiiiig i want ask 1st
[00:49:50] <codestr0m> yeah. I'm not sure what that is though.. you know a good howto on this for solaris?
[00:49:58] <e^ipi> nope
[00:50:04] <e^ipi> we all just use zones
[00:50:21] <e^ipi> you can lock down a zone pretty well
[00:50:31] <e^ipi> heavy use of inherit-pkg-dir
[00:51:57] <codestr0m> I've played with zones quite a bit, but not what I need this time :)
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[00:55:58] <e^ipi> yeah, dunno then
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[00:58:29] <codestr0m> thanks though
[00:58:41] <codestr0m> found this..  http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1837
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[00:59:21] <CIA-52> Garrett D'Amore <Garrett.Damore at Sun dot COM>: 6560313 add support for Broadcom 5780 to bge
[00:59:21] <CIA-52> Tim Haley <Tim.Haley at Sun dot COM>: 6646775 Speed up the dumpifying process for zvols
[00:59:49] <codestr0m> I'm not sure about that mknod or symlink bit..
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[01:02:31] <Metallica> no answer
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[01:15:11] <Metallica> you dont like me here anyway
[01:15:34] <codestr0m> Metallica: you're taking this too personal
[01:15:37] <codestr0m> if someone can help they will
[01:16:06] <Metallica> i don't think
[01:16:07] <Doc> guaranteed answers cost $400.  best-effort is free.  which option would you like?
[01:16:09] <alanc> I just don't think anyone here knows much about sound drivers
[01:16:20] <codestr0m> be patient.. ask the clearest question you can..
[01:16:45] <codestr0m> Metallica: if you're using oss there's an option for the kernel driver
[01:17:05] <codestr0m> I've played with it and if you do.. you'll not have sound
[01:17:10] <Metallica> Doc: i'm not kidding cause i see all forum about opensolaris in google
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[01:18:11] <Metallica> codestr0m: but i don't wanthave deaf OS
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[01:18:25] <Metallica> codestr0m: my freinds will laugh to me
[01:19:20] <codestr0m> Metallica: while your name is ironic and deserving of you not having sound.. I'd try to help, but 1) did you change the oss driver config? 2) which driver are you using?
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[01:20:08] <codestr0m> from the start menu.. if you click system > about opensolaris > devices.. does it say your sound driver is misconfigured or correct?
[01:20:53] <Metallica> codestr0m: i didn't change oss config
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[01:21:20] <codestr0m> Metallica: .. 2nd question
[01:22:07] <Metallica> codestr0m: i'm using ossdriver of opensolaris
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[01:22:39] <Metallica> codestr0m: they do test sound but don't hear anything
[01:23:03] <codestr0m> 3rd question  if you click system > about opensolaris > devices.. does it say your sound driver is misconfigured or correct?
[01:24:21] <Metallica> codestr0m: missed
[01:24:37] <Metallica> codestr0m: seems like i dont have driver
[01:25:04] <diomedes> anyone got some good solutions to IT documentation
[01:25:29] <e^ipi> diomedes, /topic
[01:25:49] <piwi> my keyboard has some extra keys, e.g. mute, volume up, etc. . xev reports nothing, when i press the keys. is there another way to get the events or key codes?
[01:27:05] <diomedes> worng channel actually my bad
[01:27:40] <Metallica> codestr0m: no prblem cause my sound card doen't recomended by opensolaris maybe i'll tring in opensolaris like OS network
[01:27:52] <codestr0m> piwi: those keys if you're on a laptop like mine are probably acpi controlled and you're either in or out of luck
[01:28:53] <piwi> mmh, it's quite "normal" keyboad. usb by now, but ps/2 is possible.
[01:30:03] <piwi> exactly this one: http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/products/prof_accessories_mainboards/keyboards_mice/standard_keyboards/kbpcPX.html
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[01:36:14] <Metallica> codestr0m: thank you
[01:37:38] <Metallica> codestr0m: i'll pratice langage C for making good driver for opensolaris
[01:38:08] <codestr0m> Metallica: ok.. just so long as you don't release any more bad albums I'll be happy
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[01:38:19] <Triskelios> Metallica: which version of OSS are you using?
[01:39:04] <Metallica> Triskelios: i download it from oss webpage
[01:39:34] <Metallica> codestr0m: from 83 to 97 metallica aws good , but now not
[01:39:40] <Metallica> was*
[01:39:45] <Triskelios> Metallica: what does 'ossdetect' say?
[01:41:39] <Metallica> Triskelios: device busy can't load module osscore
[01:42:15] <Triskelios> can you pastebin the output of ossinfo and scanpci?
[01:42:49] <Metallica> Triskelios: yes 'll
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[01:45:59] <Metallica> Triskelios: wait please line slow here
[01:46:19] <Triskelios> have to run to a movie in 5 minutes...
[01:50:10] <Metallica> Triskelios: better run your movie cause this shit internt still doesn't load pastbin home page
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[01:56:14] <e^ipi> i wish i had delicious tacos :(
[01:57:25] <norman> e^ipi: http://www.marlerblog.com/tacos.jpg for you :)
[01:58:26] <nachox> e^ipi, what's  PSARC/2008/622 (32-bit Address Restriction Software Capabilities Flag) ? i've seen very little information googling
[01:59:17] <CIA-52> Krishna Elango <Krishna.Elango at Sun dot COM>: 6720292 piu_ilu_ihbpep does not panic the domain
[02:00:16] <e^ipi> nachox, lets you have an amd64 app that only uses 32bits worth of space/bandwidth/whatever
[02:01:24] <nachox> all 32bit abi but the extra registers i assume, right?
[02:04:30] <e^ipi> yeah
[02:05:18] <nachox> useful
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[02:07:57] <ottom> nachox, e^ipi: no, it's the 64-bit ABI
[02:08:36] <e^ipi> erm, yeah
[02:08:51] <e^ipi> <-- preoccupied
[02:10:27] <nachox> what's up?
[02:10:34] <piwi> e^ipi: someone yesterday (?) said, it is about benchmarking tricks(?)
[02:10:37] <ottom> it lets you build a 64-bit program that runs in the 32-bit addressable memory range
[02:10:50] <e^ipi> piwi, so it would appear
[02:11:09] <e^ipi> i don't think anyone came up with a practical reason for it
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[02:12:43] <piwi> may it have an impact on 32bit systems running zfs? (wild guess, don't understand the technical background)
[02:13:37] <ottom> no, it's just one more option for people who need to squeeze every last ounce of performance into their program
[02:14:45] <ottom> smaller pointers can get better cache behaviour, while still letting you use the extra instructions and wider registers you get in 64-bit mode
[02:14:47] <piwi> ok, so nothing for the average end-user like me :)
[02:15:51] <piwi> ok, makes sense to me. so "benchmark trick" was not the wrong term.
[02:16:10] <ottom> probably not, at least not directly. You might get some benefit if somebody bothers to use it to speed up some desktop programs
[02:17:15] <ottom> right, there's probably a few benchmarks that will see a benefit
[02:17:55] <piwi> i've got my new system 5 days ago. speed is no problem atm. but good to know there's always something left to optimize.
[02:20:20] <ottom> yeah, I doubt I'll ever use it either.  But that's true of a bunch of existing compiler options, not just this one
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[02:35:28] <nachox> holy crap! http://distribution.sinenomine.net/opensolaris/
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[02:45:19] <codestr0m> nachox: what's so special about that?
[02:45:37] <codestr0m> maybe I'm missing it.. IBM z machine + osol isn't that crazy is it?
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[02:49:58] <nachox> i didnt know it was ready
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[02:55:29] <pizdec> mmm nice , snv_99 has xchat !
[02:55:31] <pizdec> :)
[02:56:34] <Sporq> really?
[02:57:08] <pizdec> if you pfexec pkg install it of course
[02:57:22] <pizdec> songbird in too
[02:57:57] <pizdec> decision to upgrade was done for me, i was just a tool in the hands of my computer :)
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[03:21:35] <e^ipi> i swear, taco bell in this town hires up the bottom of the barrel
[03:21:56] <e^ipi> like, if you're too dumb for regular fast food, you go work at taco bell
[03:22:50] <dep> You're not thinking outside the bun.
[03:22:54] <e^ipi> i've yet to go there once and have them get my order right on the first try
[03:23:18] <e^ipi> and it's really not that complicated, and they're never that busy
[03:24:00] <jamesd> e^ipi, order each item one at a time... if they screw it up some how, you will most likely get the better of the deal.
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[05:19:56] <Decretum> hi
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[05:34:51] <sstallion> does anyone know offhand when b100 is going to be kicked out ?
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[05:50:10] <e^ipi> when it stops being broken?
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[06:04:41] <PaTuX> hola
[06:05:11] <PaTuX> hello???
[06:05:21] <PaTuX> is anybody in here??????????
[06:05:40] <sstallion> e^ipi: issues ?
[06:06:00] <sstallion> meh I'm waiting on a few JDS fixes so I can stop swearing at my workstation
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[06:22:47] <jbk> evening
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[06:40:36] <sstallion> heya jbk
[06:40:50] <jbk> sup/
[06:40:53] <jbk> ?
[06:41:15] <sstallion> nadda
[06:41:20] <sstallion> fixing Makefiles in driver-gate
[06:41:35] <jbk> ahh
[06:44:02] <sstallion> done (just made a push)
[06:44:20] <sstallion> everything should build cleanly (added a little MACH magic)
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[06:45:19] <sstallion> finished up the man page for re(7D) as well... getting close to an initial release
[06:45:40] * sstallion detests nroff
[06:46:04] <piwi> i would like to rescue my existing windows xp installation into a virtualbox on my opensolaris pc. has anybody tried the following or has an idea, why it might not work? i've exported an iscsi volume at the osol pc and mounted it on the windows box. formatted with ntfs and now i'm copying the whole root disk from the windows box to the iscsi volume. when its done, i will attach the iscsi...
[06:46:06] <piwi> ...volume to a new virtualbox pc and start the new virtualbox pc with the xp cd to perform a repair installation (switching hal, fix mbr, etc). complete stupid, or may work? i'm asking because the copy process is going to need some time, and if it's not a good idea, i'll stop here :)
[06:46:57] <sstallion> piwi: you are way better off selectively backing up what you need, and installing a fresh copy of windows
[06:47:31] <dsturnbull> i'm seeing an strange write pattern on my 5-disk raidz zpool.. when writing, it'll do writes in bursts every few seconds, when i expect that i want to see it constantly writing at 75-80MB/s (the drive speed). the input is /dev/zero, which shouldn't be a bottleneck. when writing to all 5 /dev/rdsk files, it does write at max speed continuously. anyone know why this is?
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[06:49:23] <jamesd> dsturnbull, If compression is enabled... it doesn't have to write at all since really the file looks like a big whole. and the burstyness is by design gives ZFS a chance to group writes so they are more sequenetial and less random
[06:49:26] <moazamraja> hrrrm
[06:49:30] <moazamraja> still on b99? phuck.
[06:49:32] <dsturnbull> with iostat -Mxnz i see some of the disks with 100% wait, 0% busy, and about 12-13 transactions in the wait queue
[06:49:36] <dsturnbull> jamesd: not enabled
[06:49:39] <moazamraja> thought b100 would be out by tonight
[06:50:09] <dsturnbull> jamesd: the burstiness seems to be making my 5x75MB/s array perform exactly like a single 75MB/s device though
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[06:50:32] <sstallion> dsturnbull: that shouldn't be a surprise
[06:50:50] <sstallion> if you want it to perform at top speed, you need to use a stripe
[06:51:11] <mrbrocoli> is there some compiler other than gcc 3.4.3 for OS 10?
[06:51:19] <dsturnbull> wouldn't a raidz be striping across all devices within the vdev?
[06:51:34] <sstallion> 75M/s on a raidz dataset isn't bad
[06:51:53] <sstallion> (especially if that is the speed of your disks)
[06:52:00] <sstallion> dsturnbull: eh not quite.
[06:52:16] <sstallion> you are forgetting about parity calculations
[06:52:26] <piwi> sstallion: mmh, thought about it. but the installation is about 6 years old (no joke) and at least "sophisticated". would cost me a week or so to tweak all the settings. performance is not a problem, just needed as fallback. of course, a fresh installation would be better, but i hope i can switch complete in the not so far future.
[06:52:30] <dsturnbull> i'm about to add another 5-disk vdev to that zpool, so you'd expect it to roughly double in speed then?
[06:52:53] <dsturnbull> Total: 108 processes, 294 lwps, load averages: 0.79, 0.81, 0.70
[06:53:00] <piwi> i'll let you know, if it works :)
[06:53:05] <sstallion> piwi: good luck
[06:53:09] <piwi> thank you
[06:53:33] <sstallion> dsturnbull: no. if you have that many devices, i would consider a 1+0 setup rather than just raidz
[06:53:40] <sstallion> you will get more speed, and have a higher tolerance for failure
[06:54:16] <dsturnbull> i'm not really after speed, just storage. but i thought i might as well find out why 5 spindles goes as fast as one in raidz
[06:54:29] <sstallion> well think about it
[06:54:38] <sstallion> any read or write you do involves all 5 disks in a raidz configuration
[06:54:51] <sstallion> you can't parallelize those reads
[06:56:21] <dsturnbull> why not?
[06:56:44] <sstallion> because it is raidz ?
[06:57:36] <sstallion> raidz is a tradeoff of performance versus disk space
[06:58:02] <sstallion> a 1+0 is more performant, however it uses much more disk space
[06:58:30] <sstallion> if you have 10 disks, and can't stomach 1+0, I would use raidz2 btw
[06:59:15] <CIA-52> Michael Corcoran <Michael.Corcoran at Sun dot COM>: 6728373 genunix: [ID 133195 kern.warning] WARNING: hrm_balloc failures occured, increase hrm_blist_incr
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[07:48:23] <digifor> Trying to "make install add" the zyd driver.  I get "chmod: cannot access `zyd': No such file or directory"
[07:49:14] <digifor> I have gcc-dev installed and this is snv_99
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[08:39:17] <xRaich[o]2x> *yawn*
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[09:09:02] <kebomix> Free Programming ebooks With Direct Links & Request ebooks Here http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/
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[09:11:55] <tynar> some help needed with PATHs, i want to uninstall pkg-config which is located in /usr/bin, and use new pkg-config which i have installed from sunfreeware and located on /usr/local/bin. For some reasons my PATH looks like /usr/bin:/usr/local/bin, so i cannot use new pkg-config, I tried to rename /usr/bin/pkg-config to something else, but bash gives an error no such file
[09:12:48] <tynar> is it possible to uninstall default packages like pkg-config?
[09:18:51] <oxygene> tynar: uh, if bash claims the file doesn't exist, it probably really doesn't exist
[09:20:40] <oxygene> tynar: the easiest way for now would be to change PATH. if you really want to uninstall pkg-config, on non-indiana distros (that is, not "os2008.xx"), run "/usr/sbin/pkgchk -l -p /usr/bin/pkg-config", to figure out what package is responsible for that file, then run "pkgrm that-package-name" to get rid of that package. for indiana, I have no idea how to do it.
[09:21:51] <tynar> oxygene, i changed the filename /usr/bin/pkg-config to /usr/bin/pkg-config.old, but my /usr/local/bin/pkg-config exists, I am confused why bash can't locate the file which is in /usr/local/bin. For some reasons I can't change the PATH
[09:21:51] <tynar> order
[09:22:38] <oxygene> is /usr/local/bin/pkg-config executable?
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[09:23:35] <tynar> oxygene of course
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[09:29:31] <sttng359> Hello
[09:29:59] <sttng359> I am considering using OpenSolaris, FreeBSD, or Ubuntu Linux for my next multi-terabyte fileserver.
[09:30:29] <oxygene> tynar: tried "rehash"?
[09:30:34] <sttng359> However, I am concerned about the ease of keeping the system up to date if I go with OpenSolaris.
[09:30:58] <xRaich[o]2x> sttng359: it very easy and convinient
[09:31:08] <xRaich[o]2x> erm it's :P sorry just woke up
[09:31:30] <sttng359> It's there an equivalent to apt-get or yum for software packages?
[09:31:36] <oxygene> sttng359: solaris express provides live upgrade. indiana ("os2008.xx") has direct package updates ("pkg image-update" or so). both provide means to roll back to older versions if problems appear
[09:31:47] <tynar> sttng359: if you are going to install 3rd party softwares i would suggest ubuntu
[09:32:10] <xRaich[o]2x> sttng359: yes pkg and if you plan to use the OpenSolaris Distro have a look at beadm
[09:32:11] <sttng359> OpenAFS is about the only third party software I will need in the beginning
[09:32:11] <oxygene> sttng359: with solaris express, it's pkg-get, a tool similar to apt-get (built onto another tool, using a network repository). with indiana, "pkg" is a pure network repository tool
[09:32:52] <sttng359> My primary experience has been with Solaris and the sunfreeware site.
[09:33:02] <sttng359> It was a bit of a pain to manage.
[09:33:08] <oxygene> sttng359: never used blastwave?
[09:33:11] <sttng359> no
[09:33:36] <oxygene> sttng359: www.blastwave.org - that's for solaris express. if you have solaris experience, sx is closer to what you know than indiana
[09:34:05] <xRaich[o]2x> even though indiana is a bit closer to linux
[09:34:25] <sttng359> Yes, well, my first Unix environment was Solaris 2.6.
[09:34:34] <oxygene> xRaich[o]2x: "if you have solaris experience"
[09:34:35] <xRaich[o]2x> comes with gnu userland which can easily be replaced with the solaris userland
[09:34:44] <sttng359> Then, when I discovered Linux, I left Solaris for quite a while.
[09:35:06] <xRaich[o]2x> sttng359: for me it was the other way round ^^
[09:35:10] <tynar> oxygene: no i didn't rehash, will it solve?
[09:35:47] <oxygene> tynar: it updates the file cache of the current bash session. so it might help.
[09:36:09] <sttng359> Using sh vs. bash, and not understanding why I couldn't use backspace left a bad taste in my mouth until I was more familiar with UNIX in general.
[09:36:36] <sttng359> I never realized that Delete could be used instead for the first few years of Solaris.
[09:36:43] <tynar> oxygene: probably i haven't installed rehash, or maybe rehash doesn't exists on solaris
[09:36:53] <oxygene> sttng359: or stty erase '<backspacekey>' ;)
[09:37:07] <sttng359> yea, I wish I knew that then.
[09:37:15] <oxygene> tynar: rehash is an internal command of bash. logging out and logging in again should do the same
[09:37:20] <sttng359> That is now in my .profile when I use solaris.
[09:37:58] <tynar> oxygene, ok i will login out/in
[09:38:10] <trygvis> tynar: try hash -r
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[09:39:16] <sttng359> How stable is NFSv4 on Solaris, it's appears a little unstable in Linux.
[09:39:34] <oxygene> sttng359: nfs on linux gave nfs a bad name. it's fine on solaris (no matter which version)
[09:39:58] <sttng359> Expired Kerberos tickets often crashed my linux box.
[09:40:19] <tynar> oxygene: logging out and in solved it, thanx
[09:40:21] <sttng359> Are ACLs on by default?
[09:40:53] <sttng359> Is IPv6 for NFS supported?
[09:41:45] <oxygene> nfsv4 acls are supported at least on zfs (not sure about ufs right now)
[09:42:03] <oxygene> nfs/ipv6 seems to be supported since solaris 8
[09:42:33] <sttng359> Wow, I guess Linux just lags behind, I have been using NFSv3 with FreeBSD for some time now.
[09:43:11] <sttng359> There are patches for Linux, but they're rather difficult to add in, especially with all the other patches by the distro.
[09:43:17] <oxygene> as I said: linux gave nfs a bad name
[09:43:44] <moazamraja> i thought NFSv3 was solid on Linux & Solaris
[09:44:22] <sttng359> Yea, I've been moving over to FreeBSD more and more because of Linux.
[09:45:08] <sttng359> mozazamraja, it's not NFSv2/3 I am complaining about, it's NFSv4 in combination with Kerberos and NFS in combination with IPV6.
[09:45:20] <oxygene> moazamraja: how old is nfsv3? how long did it take the linux people to finally make it not crash (or be way too slow)?
[09:47:01] <sttng359> My other big concern about Solaris/OpenSolaris is that everything I've read indicates that it doesn't nearly get the attention or support on x86 as it does on Sparc.
[09:47:20] <moazamraja> oxygene: yes, i know. i'm just saying..."I've been using NFSv3 with FreeBSD for some time now"
[09:48:43] <oxygene> sttng359: actually, sparc lags behind on many things. booting from zfs? works on x86 for 18 months, sparc? just yet.
[09:49:39] <oxygene> sttng359: they have to catch up on x86 hardware support (the hardware ecosystem on sparc is smaller, and much better controlled by sun), but that affects mostly the desktop (server hardware should "just work" by now), and there's quite some work going on even for desktop stuff
[09:49:54] <sttng359> Well, I assume the environment is a little different now with OpenSolaris.
[09:50:11] <sttng359> The articles were more focuses on security patches and similar thing.
[09:51:37] <oxygene> system patches are mostly in lock-step on solaris 10. for solaris express, releases are quite synchronized, too (there are no patches), and indiana only exists for x86.
[09:51:51] <oxygene> though they start an indiana-for-sparc effort now
[09:55:04] <sttng359> I current issue I am having is with a Solaris 11/06 box.  It has a failed hard drive.
[09:55:07] <moazamraja> on the x86 front, the main problem is commercial software support for Solaris x86
[09:55:16] <moazamraja> for example, Oracle isn't all that hot on Solaris x86
[09:55:37] <sttng359> It fails to boot correctly, but I am able to get to a root shell
[09:56:01] <sttng359> I want to setup networking so I can copy at least some data off of it.
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[09:56:25] <sttng359> rtls0 has an IP and I can ping within my subnet, but there is no default route.
[09:57:01] <oxygene> add it to /etc/defaultrouter. or if you just want it now, "route add default IPADDRESS"
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[09:57:30] <sttng359> moazamraja: yea, that's the number one piece of software that comes up in these Solaris x86 vs. Linux arguments.
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[09:58:43] <moazamraja> i'm pro Solaris, definitely. But in a commercial application, external vendors are not very pro-Sun
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[09:59:00] <oxygene> sttng359: of course, a linux branded zone could be used
[09:59:02] <sttng359> route: socket: Protocol not supported
[09:59:26] <sttng359> oxygene: is that like FreeBSD's Linuxulator?
[09:59:50] <moazamraja> Sun kisses Oracle butt all day long, but Oracle constantly recommends Linux instead of Solaris on x86
[10:00:01] <moazamraja> heck, they recommend Linux in general
[10:00:04] <oxygene> sttng359: linuxulator works inside the freebsd environment. branded zones are separate zones (ie. virtual systems). other than that, yes - both are syscall wrappers
[10:01:08] <oxygene> moazamraja: I think linux is quite popular with ISVs because it's not aligned to a single vendor. no matter what "community" experiments sun tries with its stuff, it usually stays "sun stuff" - single vendor.
[10:01:29] <sttng359> yea, well, I think Oracle only recommends Red Hat, when Linux was my favorite OS I still disliked Red Hat.
[10:01:52] <moazamraja> Oracle recommends RedHat, or Oracle Enterprise Linux
[10:01:56] <oxygene> sttng359: so you can load a centos3.9 (branded zones with linux2.6 emulation are work in progress, so newer distros can't be supported for now) into a zone. it looks a lot like centos, then, incl. startup scripts and everything
[10:02:19] <oxygene> sttng359: while it's running on zfs, is dtraceable, uses solaris' nfs implementation, etc..
[10:03:12] <oxygene> moazamraja: of course, they have to support some specific package. but if redhat does something oracle doesn't like, it's less effort for oracle to realign onto debian (or whatever) for new releases, than it is to port away from solaris to something else (should sun do things oracle doesn't like)
[10:03:38] <oxygene> and there just isn't any other opensolaris system that they could base their work on
[10:04:09] <sttng359> # route add default 192.168.1.1
[10:04:10] <sttng359> route: socket: Protocol not supported
[10:05:38] <sttng359> I can ssh into a local freebsd box, but I can't add a default route to go anywhere else.
[10:07:58] <sttng359> Is there some kernel module that failed to load or why would route fail to work?
[10:10:10] <oxygene> not sure (don't have a solaris box at hand), but route -A inet add ... might work
[10:10:51] <sttng359> I am having some trouble with Solaris 10 11/06 and a failed hard drive./win 4
[10:10:54] <sttng359> oops
[10:11:22] <sttng359> illegal option -- -A
[10:13:46] <sttng359> can I trace route to find the failes syscall?
[10:14:40] <sttng359> It seems like route is trying to use some special socket to communicate with the kernel like RTNETLINK on Linux.
[10:17:43] <sttng359> ah, truss works
[10:17:54] <sttng359> so_socket(PF_ROUTE, ... failes.
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[10:40:11] <sttng359> rts claims it's the PF_ROUTE socket STREAMS driver/module
[10:40:25] <sttng359> I've tried unloading it and re-loading it, but nothing changed.
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[11:08:24] <tynar_> what is FAM support?
[11:09:25] <oxygene> where did you see that?
[11:09:42] <tynar_> oxygene, i tried to compile glib
[11:09:58] <tynar_> while configuring I see Warning of FAM support
[11:10:19] <tynar_> i searched and found that there is a FAM library, but unable to install that libs
[11:10:35] <oxygene> tynar_: they probably mean SGI's file alteration monitor.
[11:10:46] <tynar_> oxygene: exactly
[11:11:15] <tynar_> will there be any problem if I configure --disable-fam?
[11:11:54] <oxygene> I suppose glib will use another method for detection file changes, which might (or might not) be less efficient
[11:12:15] <oxygene> but for a safe answer, you better ask the glib developers
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[11:16:14] <zg__> hey
[11:17:04] <zg__> i have a little problem, i want to install the via techn. APIC interrupt controller drivers in device driver utility but the "install driver" button is deactivated
[11:18:07] <zg__> is there any driver for the apic interrupt controller? without my system is so damn slow o.O
[11:18:15] <zg__> ah
[11:18:24] <zg__> that sucks
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[11:19:50] <deftunix> hi all
[11:20:22] <deftunix> some one have council about me for solaris debugging?
[11:20:32] <oxygene> deftunix: don't ask to ask, just ask
[11:20:52] <deftunix> core dump, analyzing system explorer etc
[11:21:25] <oxygene> that's no question
[11:21:43] <Pietro_S> deftunix: check sundocs - there are plenty materials for it
[11:22:10] <deftunix> oxygene: sorry. In my short experience with solaris, my much difficult was about analyzing core dump, system explorer etc. Exist books, tools etc, for make it?
[11:22:48] <oxygene> deftunix: docs.sun.com - there are lots of books about pretty much every solaris related topic there
[11:22:57] <deftunix> ok
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[11:24:56] <tynar_> I have set CFLAGS=-mcpu=v9 on configure. Is it right?
[11:25:38] <tynar_> or must be something like CFLAGS=-mcpuv9?
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[11:40:40] <zg__> anybody in here knows where to get via ahci pt894 interrupt controller driver?
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[11:45:09] <tynar_> some help needed with CFLAGS i am setting this variable as CFLAGS=-mcpu=v9, am I doing right? or it must be CFLAGS=-mcpuv9?
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[11:59:17] <twisti> tynar_, The former.
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[12:11:18] <sttng359> Is most any AHCI compliant SATA controller likely to work with OpenSolaris, or do I need to be more selective?
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[12:14:20] <bradd> hi. any ideas what pci sound cards are supported on sparc hardware and if 5.1 surround is supported?
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[12:16:12] <dmarkey_> anyone know if theres issues with SXCE99 inside an LDOM?
[12:18:35] <dmarkey_> its not picking up my virtual disks
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[12:44:12] <dmarkey_> yes its not picking up my disk
[12:44:30] <dmarkey_> but the disk is in /dev/dsk/c0d0
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[12:51:51] <tynar_> hey oxygene
[12:51:59] <tynar_> r u there
[12:57:41] <tynar_> no one from EU? all are from Americas and sleeping?
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[13:03:43] <sttng359> ...
[13:05:00] <tynar_> how do you compile glib 2 ? because i got some errors on make
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[13:15:03] <sttng359> I usually recommend using a package management system over installing from source
[13:15:31] <sttng359> Can you pastebin the output of make?
[13:16:18] <sttng359> Can OpenSolaris boot from a ZFS filesystem that is using raidz2?
[13:18:56] <tynar_> sttng359 , now you will get paste
[13:22:36] <sttng359> ?
[13:24:52] <tynar_> http://pastebin.com/d6104810a
[13:26:59] <tynar_> the paste is one line above
[13:27:13] <tynar_> sttng359 i have pasted it
[13:29:25] <sttng359> did you install gettext?
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[13:30:17] <tynar_> it's in usr/bin/gettext by default solaris
[13:30:43] * codestr0m dances.. at resolved chroot issue
[13:30:44] <sttng359> is libintl.so in /usr/lib?
[13:31:59] <tynar_> yes i see libintl in usr/lib
[13:33:06] <sttng359> BTW, what is your reason for compiling glib?
[13:33:33] <codestr0m> if you need help compiling glib. I can give you some pointers for 2.18
[13:33:42] <codestr0m> and also curious what you're up to
[13:33:54] <sttng359> It's 2.19
[13:34:11] <codestr0m> ok. 2.19.. probably not *that* much different
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[13:36:57] <tynar_> is glib 2.18 compilable on solaris?
[13:37:06] <codestr0m> tynar_: yes. I have it installed
[13:37:12] <codestr0m> along with tons of other gnome and mm things
[13:37:19] <codestr0m> my work is all x86_64 though
[13:37:33] <tynar_> codestr0m how did you do that?
[13:37:43] <codestr0m> I ran into my first blocking issue with libhal.. had to go create a makefile for the O/N sources and install it
[13:38:09] <codestr0m> tynar_: if you'd like to know join #ospkg. it's highly outside what these guys here are interested in :P
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[14:48:44] <rgl> hi
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[15:22:16] <kohju> i'm home.
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[15:35:11] <tomekw> hi, I have downloaded and burned OS b99 ISO from Genunix, when I boot this it prints some output (don't know really what, it's too fast) and reboots
[15:35:39] <tomekw> it's osol-0811-99-global.iso, I have verified checksums
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[15:35:58] <tomekw> have you experienced this?
[15:36:14] <tomekw> (in virtualbox it boots fine)
[15:36:27] <tomww> no, but you could start the kernel with the debugger -k switch and -v
[15:37:04] <tomww> this might help bcs. the reboot shouldn't happen, instead it should drop into the debugger
[15:37:18] <Pietro_S> tomww: I have similar problem with old bios installed on old Asus notebook, after updating bios everything was fine
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[15:37:46] <tomww> Hi Pietro_S!
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[15:38:01] <tomekw> oh, googled something and this is it: http://ultravioletos.blogspot.com/2008/10/panic-on-boot-of-install-dvd-sxce-snv99.html - I think...
[15:41:01] <Pietro_S> hello tomww
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[15:43:14] <Pietro_S> tomekw: if it is notebook I would first install latest version of bios and then give osol second chance or if it's really audiohd driver related problem you can disable it and then install oss and reenable it ...
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[15:44:33] <tomekw> how to reenable it later?
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[15:48:08] <tomekw> Pietro_S ?
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[15:58:22] <tomww> you could disable the module on the kernel boot commandline or disable sound in your bios settings
[15:58:55] <tomww> reenabling means to install the oss audio drivers and re-enabling the BIOS audio settings
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[16:10:28] <kimc> from posts on -storage it looks like with zfs arrays, associating physical sata ports with os devices is not uh easy
[16:10:54] <kimc> that is not 'direct'
[16:11:41] <kimc> i see mentions of labeling the drive ports after they've been setup
[16:15:46] <nibbler> what's best practice for identifying disks in (e.g. netapp) fc shelves?
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[16:28:39] <blahee> nibbler: isn't those named inside of netapp as shelfid.slot? Easy task to identify?
[16:29:21] <blahee> (i do get my netapp _next_ week, so i really don't know now :)
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[16:37:04] <nibbler> blahee: yeah - it's left -> right and the shelve ids are set correctly - still - something like setting fault-LEDs per device would be quite handy
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[17:24:50] <scubapro> Q: OS Docs refer to the Image Packaging System [IPS], but it does not appear to be under System Menu in either KDE or Xfce as referenced in the docs? Am I missing something?
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[17:32:48] <houst0n-> Problems with svn.* ?
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[17:32:54] <houst0n-> (:/export/build) houst0n > svn co svn+ssh://anon at svn dot opensolaris.org/svn/xfce/spec-files-xfce/trunk spec-files-xfce
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[17:43:59] <houst0n-> Err, nevermind
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[17:46:54] <lkthomas> hey guys
[17:47:12] <lkthomas> solaris built-in cifs server does not allow to do any config at all ?
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[17:59:47] <jstephan> does anyone here can answer me a question to martux (natamar)?
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[18:04:37] <lkthomas> what is that ?
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[18:08:22] <e^ipi> lkthomas: bochnig's non-sun sparc distro
[18:08:32] <jbk> morning
[18:08:43] <e^ipi> heya
[18:08:58] <lkthomas> you mean, it is built for non-sun sparc machine ?
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[18:09:39] <jamesd> lkthomas, yes there are some configuration in  cifs, but its not an obvious thing like  smb.conf    google   zfs set sharesmb=
[18:10:04] <lkthomas> the problem is that we want to create snapshot everytime user login
[18:10:28] <lkthomas> which seems can't be usable with build in cifs server
[18:10:29] <e^ipi> lkthomas: no, it's a distro not made by sun
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[18:10:56] <e^ipi> lkthomas: b100 comes with an auto-snapshot SMF service
[18:11:05] <jamesd> sudo or rbac can make that possible,  or even giving a user ownership of there filesystem
[18:11:36] <Plazma> heh @ sun "distros"
[18:11:43] <lkthomas> e^ipi, it is kind of scary to patch on production server
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[18:19:32] <Plazma> lkthomas thats why you read the notes/warnings associated with each patch, use your best judgement, plan appropriate downtime if needed
[18:19:37] <Plazma> if you can, that is
[18:23:57] <lkthomas> Plazma, I assume the patch usually wouldn't runs into problem ?
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[18:26:07] <Plazma> normally no, but you should ALWAYS read what those patches have to say
[18:26:13] <Plazma> just don't go "oo its shiny and new, we gots to have it"
[18:26:41] <smtms> oh, new patch's available, we are behind the curve! hurry, hurry up!
[18:27:05] <Plazma> OMG WTF lets get it!
[18:27:12] <Plazma> yea..
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[18:27:36] <Plazma> everyone wants the bleeding edge, even if it means your top dollar enterprise systems bleed out
[18:27:49] <Plazma> and that blood is $$$ and who normally is to blame for that ;)
[18:28:15] <Plazma> thats when you have to play lawyerball and document and track back emails, and point it to some head project guy who was barking orders
[18:28:29] <Plazma> "i'm just a drone, he told me to"
[18:28:35] <Plazma> or yea
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[18:28:50] <Plazma> that was more rambling than i anticipated.. i should do something today
[18:29:01] <houst0n-> When is b100 out anyway? I thought it was meant to be yesterday?
[18:29:15] <houst0n-> And what's this auto shapshot lark all about?
[18:29:16] <houst0n-> ;)
[18:30:57] <Yorlik_extern> What do I need to do, if i want to use IPS on SXCE b98 ?
[18:31:07] <houst0n-> Install opensolaris on that box
[18:31:08] <houst0n-> :P
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[18:32:19] <oxygene> houst0n-: sxce is opensolaris. for ips, he should install indiana
[18:32:31] <Yorlik_extern> I star get enerved by these different opensolaris versions and the issues related to that  ...
[18:32:34] <houst0n-> My opensolaris, I meant opensolaris "the distro"
[18:32:34] <houst0n-> By*
[18:33:57] <oxygene> then write "opensolaris the distro" ;)
[18:34:36] <houst0n-> I do know what sxce "is opensolaris" - I've used it for long enough =P
[18:35:36] <houst0n-> Bahhh.
[18:35:36] * houst0n- throws a live haddock
[18:35:36] <houst0n-> going for a cig, brb
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[19:17:18] <geronimos> hello
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[19:17:40] <geronimos> is it possible to install open solaris without grub
[19:17:50] <geronimos> cause i have alredy Linux
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[19:20:20] <geronimos> where're you Solari's band
[19:21:27] <geronimos> no answer then it's impossible
[19:21:32] <geronimos> thank you
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[19:24:19] <e^ipi> geronimos: no, because linux grub doesn't support zfs or ufs
[19:24:32] <e^ipi> you can, however, save your menu.lst, and add the entries to solaris' grub
[19:25:07] <geronimos> e^ipi: yes really that what i did
[19:25:27] <geronimos> e^ipi: Thanks i'll back when finish instalation
[19:26:05] <geronimos> e^ipi: but i have freebsd and linux grub can but into it
[19:26:24] <e^ipi> pardon?
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[19:27:41] <geronimos> e^ipi: j'ai deja une partition UFS pour bsd , et je peut booter sans probleme
[19:28:06] <e^ipi> non, seulment une petit peu. votre anglais est plusque bon que mon francais
[19:29:07] <e^ipi> geronimos: oui, tu peu booter freebsd, linux et solaris avec le versione (?) de GRUB en solaris, alors tu ne booter pas le solaris avec le grub en linux
[19:29:40] <geronimos> e^ipi: ah merci bcp
[19:29:51] <geronimos> e^ipi: thank you very much
[19:29:53] <fraggeln> any news on sxce 100? :)
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[19:30:00] <e^ipi> geronimos: no problem :)
[19:30:08] <fraggeln> i think its saturday now in every timezone :D
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[19:33:20] <geronimos> sxce is the beta of new opensolaris
[19:34:29] <smtms> if Sun goes bankrupt, it won't be for the general economic decline, but for its stupid naming of things
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[19:40:57] <e^ipi> geronimos: no, SXCE is like Solaris beta. 2008.05 is different. Solaris10 is like RHEL, and SXCE is beta RHEL. 2008.05 is fedora. does that make sense?
[19:42:05] <geronimos> geronimos: yes understood now
[19:42:10] <e^ipi> excellent
[19:42:24] <geronimos> e^ipi: you mean clone
[19:42:36] <e^ipi> no, distribution
[19:43:13] <geronimos> e^ipi: yeah
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[19:44:12] <geronimos> e^ipi: i know 2 distrub , nexenta and opensolaris
[19:44:51] <e^ipi> there are several. nexenta, opensolaris, Solaris Express, belenix, schillix
[19:45:15] <e^ipi> sun makes opensolaris and solaris express.
[19:45:34] <geronimos> e^ipi: Solaris Express it'sn't free
[19:45:44] <e^ipi> geronimos, yes it is.
[19:45:57] <cmihai> I'll just say it now.
[19:46:01] <cmihai> Fuck Stallman.
[19:46:15] <cmihai> I can just see where this discussion is leading.
[19:47:06] <geronimos> is here recomended to say Fuck , shit ??
[19:47:36] <e^ipi> geronimos, heh, not recommended but is okay
[19:47:53] <e^ipi> new policy: swearing /required/ :P
[19:48:02] <geronimos> e^ipi: no no dont worry i don't say like this word anyway
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[19:49:47] <cmihai> I'd supply a link "Usage of the word fuck" skit but you're probably to dull to get it.
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[19:56:58] <ibuclaw> hello?
[19:57:06] <houst0n-> Hi
[19:57:24] <e^ipi> what up
[19:57:47] <houst0n-> e^ipi: someone set us up the bomb?
[19:57:54] <ibuclaw> hey, bit of a weird one.
[19:57:58] <ibuclaw> houst0n-: :)
[19:58:02] <e^ipi> houst0n-, hmm?
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[19:58:06] <houst0n-> nevermind :P
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[19:58:43] <e^ipi> ibuclaw, who's a bit of a weird one?
[19:59:05] <ibuclaw> yeah, ok. I've been running Linux on my Laptop for about a year, no problems.
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[19:59:19] <houst0n-> We don't take to insults too kindly, there's an entire box, FILLED with ravanous  .. nevermind
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[19:59:25] <houst0n-> I can't spell.
[19:59:26] <ibuclaw> I've always been interested in openSolaris, so I've given the liveCD a try
[19:59:35] <oneunshamed> not really related to opensolaris - but if any of you guys are into collecting celebrity memorabilia, etc - company I am working for is streamcasting (w/ interactive bidding) the Bob Hope estate auction going on right now in Hollywood. http://www.auctionnetwork.com/
[19:59:38] <houst0n-> ibuclaw: Welcome!
[19:59:38] <houst0n-> =)
[19:59:42] <oneunshamed> cool concpet at the very least :)
[19:59:48] <oneunshamed> *concept
[19:59:55] <houst0n-> oneunshamed: </shameless plug>
[19:59:56] <Yorlik> What would I need if I want  to build everything provided with sxce ? ON and SFW ?
[20:00:15] <houst0n-> Yorlik: A good few hours on even a fast machine =)
[20:00:23] <ibuclaw> :)
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[20:00:30] <Yorlik> 4 3GHz cores?
[20:00:42] <houst0n-> That'll do it pretty quick
[20:00:45] <houst0n-> ;)
[20:01:09] <tomww> Yorlik: just asking, what's the reason behind building all yourself?
[20:01:13] <ibuclaw> now, well... my problem is that ever since I tried the liveCD/installed openSolaris on my Laptop. I've lost all keyboard functionality on Linux
[20:01:18] <e^ipi> Yorlik, you'd think that, but it's pretty IO bound
[20:01:21] <houst0n-> You'd need the on stuff, and the vermillion specs .. and god knows there's tons of stuff mate
[20:01:32] <Yorlik> A lot of stuff not working right out of the bix as i wish and wanting to learn the build process.
[20:01:36] <houst0n-> ibuclaw: Errr
[20:01:36] <e^ipi> Yorlik, on a 16x2ghz machine it still takes over an hour to build ON
[20:01:41] <houst0n-> That is weird
[20:01:44] <ibuclaw> yeah
[20:01:49] <cmihai> If by pretty quick you mean about 5 days, sure.
[20:02:06] <houst0n-> Do you have a linux livecd?
[20:02:15] <tomww> Yorlik: well, you'll have to lear several build processes :)
[20:02:16] <e^ipi> Yorlik, there's also plenty of poorly parallelized make paths in ON
[20:02:30] <houst0n-> can you try that? May be your kernel/args for linux are somehow borked.. I don't think that'll be related to solaris though as it can't write to ext3
[20:03:35] <ibuclaw> houst0n-: I dunno. but it is strange. I've tried every OS FreeBSD, Solaris, Windows... keyboard works fine.
[20:03:55] <houst0n-> Try a diff kernel, e.g a livecd
[20:04:27] <houst0n-> Even an install disk for something'll do
[20:04:40] <ibuclaw> tried most of them, in terms of distros and kernel archs.
[20:04:42] * houst0n- generally uses an archlinux disk for these things
[20:04:48] <houst0n-> It happens with ALL linux?!
[20:04:53] <ibuclaw> yep
[20:05:21] <houst0n-> Ok, even older kerns?
[20:05:38] <houst0n-> Do you have an old cd kicking around somewhere?
[20:05:38] <ibuclaw> haven't tried anything < 2.4
[20:05:43] <houst0n-> Nah not _THAT_ old
[20:05:48] <ibuclaw> :D
[20:06:04] <ibuclaw> well... I'll give Etch a go
[20:06:16] <ibuclaw> Sarge won't work with my laptop
[20:07:03] <houst0n-> I know very little about linux - that's debian right?
[20:07:08] <ibuclaw> yeah
[20:07:24] <houst0n-> I think the simple solution to your problem is just to use solaris
[20:07:33] <houst0n-> linux lacks features these days
[20:07:36] <ibuclaw> heh
[20:08:02] <ibuclaw> I have no reason to disagree with you
[20:08:03] <houst0n-> Does an extern. keyboard work? Check our your bios also maybe something weird happened
[20:08:26] <houst0n-> dunno tbh if I was in front of it I could prob tell you more... Play with it (or install solaris)
[20:08:44] <ibuclaw> USB keyboard works fine
[20:09:03] <ibuclaw> it's the built-in one that has gone bye-bye
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[20:09:46] <houst0n-> Try disable ehci
[20:09:52] <houst0n-> dunno lots of options mate
[20:09:55] <houst0n-> =)
[20:10:01] <ibuclaw> could openSolaris have poked the hardware in a certain way?
[20:10:07] <houst0n-> Nah
[20:10:10] * ibuclaw seriously doubts
[20:10:36] <houst0n-> If the kbd works on solaris and windows, but not linux - it's a linux problem
[20:10:59] <houst0n-> I gotta run, stuff to do :(
[20:11:03] <houst0n-> cya - good luck
[20:11:08] <ibuclaw> ok
[20:11:12] <ibuclaw> thanks for your time
[20:11:18] <Decretum> OpenSolaris is very hard
[20:11:32] <ibuclaw> heh
[20:11:42] <houst0n-> It certainly makes me hard
[20:11:48] * houst0n- really out now ;P
[20:12:14] <ibuclaw> Decretum: not as hard as RedHat ;)
[20:12:19] <Decretum> lol houst0n-
[20:12:43] <Decretum> I got a free OpenSolaris CD... used it yesterday :P Got lost
[20:12:55] <ibuclaw> +1 Decretum
[20:12:58] * ibuclaw too
[20:13:18] <houst0n-> Ok well that wasn't my lift
[20:13:19] <Decretum> maybe i'm just not smart enough..
[20:13:37] <ibuclaw> though, xset -b made me happy :)
[20:13:41] <houst0n-> There's a gap from linux->solaris yeah - it's really nothing in comparision with older solaris releases
[20:14:32] <houst0n-> And once you cover the differences, and start seeing how you can actually apply zfs, dtrace, BEs, lu and how awesome the ABI compatability really is, you'll probably not turn back
[20:15:39] <houst0n-> If you're missing software, check out blastwave.org - we've got latest transmission, mplayer, firefox 2.x etc all available. And because all of these were built on solaris 8, you can use them on 9, 10, and 11 (sxce/opensolaris/belenix/milax/etc)
[20:16:21] <ibuclaw> well... the only drawback I see that really makes Linux > openSolaris is ACPI
[20:16:42] <ibuclaw> same with FreeBSD too
[20:17:08] <ibuclaw> whenever I boot up, it tells me my CPU temperature is -269.7 degrees Celsius
[20:17:33] <houst0n-> Well, don't forget, up until a few years ago solaris wasn't ever really intended for the desktop - frankly I think it's amazing how far it's come in such a short space of time
[20:18:48] <ibuclaw> yeah, but the same is with everything *NIX
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[20:18:53] <e^ipi> ibuclaw, awesome, you can totally overclock that thing to infinity!
[20:19:05] <ibuclaw> haha
[20:19:07] <e^ipi> at -269.7 you should be able to bring it up to 20ghz
[20:19:30] <ibuclaw> it's a 2.1GHz Dual-Core
[20:19:36] <ibuclaw> Intel T8100
[20:20:28] <ibuclaw> BTX Motherboard btw
[20:20:34] <houst0n-> T8100 - isn't that a calculator?
[20:20:52] * houst0n- fumbles around in drawer
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[20:20:56] <ibuclaw> houst0n-: nah, it's a model
[20:20:59] <e^ipi> i'm still wishing that someone would make a vaguely affordable risc machine of some sort for those of us that don't care to run windows
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[20:21:20] <e^ipi> hawk it off as an 'open source' pc or something
[20:21:35] <ibuclaw> e^ipi: build it from scratch ;)
[20:21:37] <smtms> e^ipi, start manufacturing OpenSPARC CPU's :-)
[20:21:48] * houst0n- out
[20:21:48] <Decretum> sparc!
[20:21:50] <houst0n-> ^ADD
[20:21:51] <e^ipi> that's kinna why i want one of those little mips netbooks
[20:22:06] <e^ipi> smtms, that'd be neat but then i'd need a chip fab shop
[20:22:18] <ibuclaw> the ARM architechture actually interests me more...
[20:22:34] <e^ipi> and also, i'd need to know something about electronics, rather than having to google what a capacitor is
[20:22:36] <ibuclaw> I was looking at some jobs the other day on embedded devices
[20:22:43] <Decretum> I don't know anything about archs..but I like the name SPARC
[20:22:47] <ibuclaw> haha
[20:22:49] <e^ipi> hehh
[20:22:57] <e^ipi> Decretum, it's open source hardware.
[20:23:02] <e^ipi> so, yay or whatever
[20:23:11] <smtms> no, it's FREE hardware! :-)
[20:23:19] <ibuclaw> Free as in beer
[20:23:32] <smtms> free as in free fries :-P
[20:23:43] <e^ipi> my milkshake is insufficient to get free beer
[20:24:00] <e^ipi> (also insufficient to bring the boys to the yard)
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[20:24:47] <ibuclaw> houst0n-: http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAP9 <-- Intel T8100 CPU
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[20:29:48] <ibuclaw> heh, nope... keyboard doesn't work in etch installer :/
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[20:39:37] <ludc> hi everyone!
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[20:42:06] <ludc> anyone know the bluetooth stack build and how to configure it?
[20:44:14] <oxygene> oh, there is one, now?
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[20:54:55] <UbuntuGuru> hello
[20:56:14] <UbuntuGuru> anyone here?
[20:56:48] <e^ipi> no.
[20:56:52] <UbuntuGuru> ah
[20:57:17] <UbuntuGuru> trying to get opensolaris installed and have a question
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[20:58:03] <geronimos> UbuntuGuru: ubuntu it's not like solaris at all
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[20:58:13] <geronimos> that's the answer befor asking
[20:58:17] <UbuntuGuru> i know
[20:58:32] <UbuntuGuru> i am fluent with linux/unix systems
[20:58:35] <UbuntuGuru> but....
[20:59:09] <UbuntuGuru> for some reason my integrated synaptics touchpad wont work.
[20:59:28] <UbuntuGuru> have any of you had the problem and is there a driver somewhere that does work?
[21:00:54] <oxygene> it should at least work as normal ps/2 touchpad
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[21:01:12] <e^ipi> EWORKSFORME
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[21:01:55] <oxygene> for the advanced touchpad features (axis 3/4 and 5/6, and multitouch), you'd need a special driver. there exists one for X, but I'm not sure about its status (other than that it was highly linux-specific last time I looked)
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[21:02:08] <UbuntuGuru> upon first boot it is either locked or semi works.  i google'd it and others say they have had to use an external usb mouse
[21:03:30] <UbuntuGuru> i would rather be using opensolaris
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[21:03:52] <oxygene> UbuntuGuru: if you're willing to experiment, hit ctrl-alt-bs often enough for the login manager to give up, then look at the X server log, what kind of mouse driver was used. if it's generic, you're out of luck (because the touchpad defaults to some weird mode, probably). if there's some synaptics driver, it might just not work, and you could move it away
[21:04:49] <UbuntuGuru> so eventually x server will dump you to a console where I can do some looking?
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[21:07:19] <oxygene> it should. at least it does here (solaris express). 3 or 4 attempts are usually necessary, before the login manager gives up
[21:08:00] <oxygene> on solaris express, with the default manager, it might also be possible to enter text mode explicitely. but I guess you're using indiana (the os2008.xx stuff)
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[21:08:50] <UbuntuGuru> ok, well thanks for the help.  i'll reinstall and see what i get
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[21:21:48] <ludc> oxygene:
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[21:23:58] <ludc> oxygene:  how to find the product id of a device plug in usb?
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[21:25:23] <oxygene> ludc: cfgadm -lv shows you, dmesg, too
[21:26:15] <kimc> thinking about getting an Acer Aspire One but according to this: http://blogs.sun.com/oslab/entry/acer_aspire_one_intel_atom
[21:26:19] <kimc> i need b100
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[21:27:01] <kimc> how would i get a b100 install disk?
[21:27:02] <e^ipi> where does it say that?
[21:27:21] <kimc> says it early on in the piece
[21:27:31] <e^ipi> it says he installed b100
[21:27:34] <e^ipi> not that he needs b100
[21:27:57] <e^ipi> and the answer to the second question ( where do you get b100 ), the answer is "find yourself employed by sun)
[21:27:57] <zykes-> does opensolaris run as a 64 bit domU under xen ? Except as HVM
[21:28:04] <kimc> no i need a b100 like that if i want everything to work
[21:28:36] <e^ipi> where does it say that?
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[21:28:57] <kimc> the b100 install had most of the drivers working
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[21:30:46] <Yorlik> I think i just messed something and need a fix.I did a "lofiadm -a /iso/debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso lofiadm " and a "mount -r -F  autofs /dev/lofi/1 /media". Now I can't ls /media, nor can i umount it ... Any help ? A "mount | grep media " is empty so it seems not to be mounted at all, but i can't "ls" it ..
[21:31:08] <Yorlik> Typo: it was without the last lofiadm ...
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[21:33:22] <zykes-> anyone ?
[21:35:24] <ludc> oxygene: but the author say to go in /dev/usb?
[21:37:41] <kimc> is it possible to do an install with a usb dvd drivev?
[21:40:16] <oxygene> if it's bootable, it should work
[21:40:38] <oxygene> ludc: if you have instructions by the author, why do you have to ask here?
[21:47:36] <ludc> =s, but I am reading the README...just...sorry
[21:48:12] <e^ipi> (understanding what you are doing) > (HowTo)
[21:50:32] <ludc> but, anyway thnks much!
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[22:13:11] <geronimos> e^ipi: hello Mission complete , ahh good now
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[22:15:43] <geronimos> please , where can i found xorg.cong , cause i don't have it here /etc/X11
[22:15:53] <e^ipi> no, it's automatically generated
[22:16:57] <geronimos> e^ipi: but i want add composite = enable and add other option
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[22:17:47] <e^ipi> use xorg -configure
[22:20:58] <geronimos> e^ipi: ok thank you
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[22:34:56] <moazamraja> i know i *need* b100 for my laptop :/
[22:35:01] <moazamraja> otherwise the network wont work
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[22:52:27] <geronimos> is it possible to mount ReiserFS in opensolaris
[22:52:32] <geronimos> ??
[22:52:50] <tilt> hrmmm
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[22:53:48] <Tilt> i'm looking.... that's a good question
[22:53:48] <Yorlik> I am missing a package "SUNWmysqlS" - where can i download it or other single packages ?
[22:55:14] <Tilt> ppl have talked about porting reiserfs to osol, but as far as i can see it was never completed
[22:55:36] <oxygene> any import would have to happen via reverse engineering or FUSE
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[22:56:11] <geronimos> Tilt: no chance then
[22:58:13] <Tilt> geronimos, install linux in a vbox and install the addons mount the disk there, then copy it to a shared folder :)
[22:58:48] <Tilt> (shared folder between the vbox and host machine that is)
[23:00:15] <geronimos> Tilt: no cause i have allllll my wor in linux
[23:00:23] <geronimos> work*
[23:01:00] <geronimos> Tilt: and i can't run qemu for doing that
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[23:01:54] <geronimos> Tilt: i hve soltion ?
[23:02:37] <geronimos> anyone here try to install skype ??
[23:02:40] * vmlemon_ suggests creating a UDF volume somewhere to share files between Linux and Solaris, since they both support storing and manipulating POSIX attributes on it
[23:03:16] <Tilt> that would also work
[23:03:58] <geronimos> vmlemon_: Disque Blu-ray
[23:04:15] <_mary_kate_> vmlemon_: is UDF usefully read-write?
[23:04:21] <vmlemon_> Heh
[23:04:24] <vmlemon_> Yes
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[23:04:45] <vmlemon_> It seems to have first class support on Linux and Solaris for read-write for what I can tell
[23:04:47] <Tilt> linux can read most versions of udf fine
[23:04:56] <vmlemon_> (and it works on disk image files without problems)
[23:05:32] <vmlemon_> Shame a certain other OS has crappy-to-non existant support for it, actually
[23:05:43] <geronimos> i'll copy my file to ntfs partition
[23:05:54] <geronimos> that will work good i think
[23:06:15] <Tilt> ummm
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[23:06:34] <Tilt> you'll loose all your permissions
[23:06:50] <_mary_kate_> unless you tar them first
[23:06:57] <geronimos> Tilt: ahh true
[23:06:59] <Tilt> true
[23:07:36] <vmlemon_> Hmm, NTFS supported POSIX permissions on Windows (through Interix), and with Linux's NTFS driver last time I checked
[23:07:36] <vmlemon_> although I don't know what support is like on Solaris
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[23:08:06] <vmlemon_> (You can make FIFO files on it, too although I don't know why you'd want to, normally)
[23:08:33] <Tilt> i already said how i would do it
[23:09:09] <geronimos> vmlemon i'll burn my work in double layr and copy it in my solaris
[23:09:16] <vmlemon_> OK
[23:09:20] <Tilt> boot linux in a vbox, mount the device in that, then copy the data through the vbox to the host machine
[23:09:20] <geronimos> works files
[23:09:46] <geronimos> Tilt: that will take alllll the  day
[23:10:11] <Tilt> one of the many reasons i havn't used linux for years
[23:10:29] <Tilt> and i NEVER liked reiser
[23:10:35] <geronimos> Tilt: and if i want do that i need to qemu not Virtual box and i don't have a good cpu
[23:11:06] <geronimos> Tilt: like or don't like that it's personel thing
[23:11:13] <Tilt> you can do it with virtual box fine.... but just booting into linux and burning the stuff would be a simple solution also
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[23:12:30] <geronimos> Tilt: anyway thank you
[23:13:01] <Tilt> sorry i couldn't of been more help
[23:13:15] <geronimos> Tilt: what's the ditrub tht you use in linux befor ??
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[23:14:57] <Tilt> years ago i used slackware, and i used gentoo when it was young.... i think that was ~2002-2003
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[23:15:14] <Tilt> tried many other distro's in vbox's
[23:15:33] <geronimos> Tilt: good i used slaky too and still use it
[23:15:48] <geronimos> geronimos: and familly PC used mandriva
[23:15:49] <Tilt> i come from a more pure unix root than most ppl now days ;)
[23:16:18] <geronimos> and now when i change to opensolaris it's diferent
[23:16:26] <geronimos> but little like freebsd
[23:16:39] <Tilt> freebsd and solaris are what i run on all my machines
[23:16:58] <Tilt> sept my laptop, which i only use for gaming
[23:17:50] <Tilt> the first real machine i had ran digitalunix
[23:18:13] <geronimos> Tilt: nice then you're older with linux
[23:18:44] <geronimos> Tilt: i think you didn't use it at all now ??
[23:18:52] <Tilt> linux ?
[23:19:02] <geronimos> Tilt: yes ?
[23:19:32] <Tilt> i never liked it.... to many things change too often.... i havn't installed linux on a machine in probably 8 years
[23:19:33] <sstallion> well that should make weslows happy
[23:20:03] <sstallion> jbk: around?
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[23:21:18] <geronimos> Tilt: wow hehe , you didn't like , but me i like OS unix like , maybe Linux it'sn't based 100% of unix but i like too
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[23:22:45] <Tilt> i liked the 1.0 kernels of linux.... back in the mid 90's
[23:23:00] <Tilt> think my first machine ran 1.37 or something
[23:23:37] <geronimos> Tilt: then you were freind of Linux trav
[23:23:51] <geronimos> Linus*
[23:24:44] <Tilt> nah, didn't meet him till 2000
[23:25:00] <Tilt> he worked at transmeta then
[23:27:28] <geronimos> Tilt: good  ,and you , you dind't devlope anything for Open OS
[23:28:17] <Tilt> nothing more than a lil code porting of ipv6 for the 2.3.xx kernels
[23:28:21] <morteng> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1230468  where do I save the pem file please?
[23:29:09] <Tilt> alen redid most of the ipv6 before 2.3 went to 2.4
[23:29:17] <geronimos> Tilt: good , but here still didn't use ip6
[23:30:45] <geronimos> Tilt: you never used MacOS X
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[23:31:30] <Tilt> i do
[23:31:39] <Tilt> thats what my laptop is ;)
[23:32:05] <geronimos> Tilt: hehehe , cause i don't like it
[23:32:12] <Tilt> morteng, i'm looking, i think it was in var someplace
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[23:32:28] <Tilt> i love 10.4+
[23:32:38] <geronimos> Tilt: i call it OS for lazy person , sorry i don'tmean anyone hehe
[23:32:50] <Tilt> i can game, and still have a unix like machine, which is alli'm relly comfortable with
[23:33:15] <geronimos> Tilt: yeah true easy stable and good Hardware too
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[23:34:06] <Tilt> morteng, http://blog.theprodigalboyfriend.com/2008/01/20/fun-with-opensolaris-and-openvpn/ looks like a good blog on it, but i don't see where the vpn is
[23:34:20] <Tilt> i think the vpn is all on his firewall..... but i only skimmed
[23:35:07] <geronimos> Tilt: and i didn't like it cause it'sn't open
[23:35:27] <Tilt> all but the gui itself is opensource
[23:35:48] <CIA-27> Chris Horne <Chris.Horne at Sun dot COM>: 6755515 preparation for scsi_address being unionized
[23:35:59] <morteng> ok then,  I try on nntp there is a gmane mailinglist
[23:36:09] <geronimos> Tilt: kde 4 it's on OS X now
[23:36:26] <Tilt> just qt
[23:36:30] <Tilt> afaik
[23:37:03] <geronimos> Tilt: yeah but qt it's the base of kde
[23:38:03] <Tilt> no kde is based on qt ;)
[23:38:08] <Tilt> qt is the widget set
[23:38:45] <Tilt> kde is the whole package, qt is to kde, as gtk is to gnome
[23:38:53] <geronimos> Tilt: as i know qt it's C++ gui and kde it based of C++
[23:39:03] <e^ipi> well that's silly; it being open is a tie breaker, but rejecting something because it's closed altogether is just foolish
[23:39:04] <Tilt> qt is all c+
[23:39:06] <Tilt> +
[23:39:12] <_mary_kate_> geronimos: Qt on Mac is not even close to having KDE on Mac
[23:39:22] <_mary_kate_> KDE is a massive set of applications and libraries that happens to use Qt
[23:39:34] <_mary_kate_> (they didn't write it, they just use it)
[23:39:39] <sickness> heh
[23:40:05] <geronimos> Tilt: i think you use kde 4.1
[23:40:17] <Tilt> i havn't used kde ever
[23:40:26] <sickness> a thing that I'd like to do on opensolaris as I already to on win32 and openbsd wouldbe this wifi+openvpn =)
[23:40:58] <geronimos> Tilt: only console ??
[23:41:59] <Tilt> i used enlightenment, before that window maker, before that afterstep
[23:42:15] <Tilt> i cried the day afterstep left solaris
[23:42:21] <Tilt> :(
[23:42:57] <geronimos> Tilt: why you left solaris ??
[23:43:29] <Tilt> i was working at sun at the time they were removing all the old managers...
[23:43:55] <Tilt> the version on the network for us (i think 8) had cde and gnome and that's it
[23:44:47] <geronimos> Tilt: did you finh you contrat with tem or what ??
[23:44:54] <geronimos> finish ??
[23:44:57] <Doc> you know you've been travelling too much when you turn on the TV in the hotel and you're surprised so many of the channels are in english... then you realise you're in england
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[23:46:27] <cmihai> Beats having everything in German.
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[23:46:59] <Tilt> geronimos, i was with sun for a lil over a year in santa clara, then moved back to ny
[23:47:05] <Tilt> in 2000
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[23:48:02] <geronimos> Tilt: but you still doing Informatic ??
[23:48:23] <Tilt> infomatic ?
[23:48:31] <Doc> cmaihai: i'm not in germany until tuesday night :)
[23:49:10] <Tilt> i highly recommend making a trip to emmden if your in northern germany doc
[23:49:18] <Tilt> it's awsome this time of year
[23:49:47] <Tilt> emden
[23:49:58] <geronimos> Tilt:  Informatics
[23:50:26] <Tilt> i was never with them
[23:50:48] <Tilt> i was internal IT at sun
[23:51:20] <geronimos> Tilt: i mean when you left them
[23:51:23] <Tilt> transmeta where linus was, was down on fredom cicrle.... that was when i was with taos
[23:52:13] <Tilt> i never even heard of infomatrics till you just said their name
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[23:53:00] <Doc> itops?
[23:53:00] <geronimos> Tilt: really but it's populaire here
[23:53:19] <Doc> tilk: nah.. just spending a night in frankfurt on the way home from london to san fran (yeah, i know... dont ask)
[23:53:54] <Doc> tilt too..
[23:54:07] <Tilt> what part of sf ?
[23:54:58] <Tilt> i'm wondering if my bar is still there
[23:55:02] <Tilt> :)
[23:55:02] <Doc> san bruno
[23:55:28] <cmihai> Eh.
[23:55:54] <Tilt> the bar i used to goto all the time was down on market about 3-5 blocks from the ferry building
[23:56:32] <cmihai> Make sure you get some unfiltered Hefe Waizen (Paulaner) and Swainehaxe :P
[23:57:02] <geronimos> Tilt: and about WIN i think you never use it ?
[23:57:52] <Tilt> geronimos, i can, i don't have anything against it.... i just don't
[23:59:18] <Tilt> Doc: i think it was just off the corner of sutter and market
[23:59:50] <Tilt> cute lil art chick worked their... she was very fun :)





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