[00:00:03] <Doc> or p0rn?
[00:00:17] <Ouroboro> yes, yes, lets not forget the p0rn
[00:00:28] <Asako> nah
[00:00:41] <Asako> I just think it's neat to run a linux zone
[00:01:07] <Ouroboro> hm, why do some of my services fail to stop on reboot
[00:05:31] <Asako> how do I set the gateway on a zone?
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[00:11:51] <Asako> I got the zone to boot but the network is unreachable
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[00:11:58] <th> Asako: see zonecfg(1M) look for "defrouter"
[00:12:05] <Asako> I just added that
[00:12:09] <Asako> and rebooted the zone
[00:12:17] <Asako> it says no netmask is set either
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[00:13:12] <th> Asako: so how does your <network/> look like in /etc/zones/your_zone.xml ?
[00:13:35] <Asako> <network address="69.16.222.10" physical="rtls1" defrouter="69.16.222.1"/>
[00:13:52] <th> Asako: your address misses a netmask
[00:13:56] <Asako> should I set it to /23
[00:14:12] <th> Asako: you should set it to your zones correct netmask
[00:14:30] <Asako> right, can I use cidr notation?
[00:14:50] <th> Asako: see zonecfg(1M)
[00:14:52] <th>              o    a valid IPv4 address,  optionally  followed  by
[00:14:52] <th>                   "/" and a prefix length;
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[00:15:54] <Asako> thanks
[00:16:31] <Asako> hmm, still not setting the route
[00:17:53] <Asako> mask is set, no route
[00:20:19] <Asako> doh
[00:21:23] <Ouroboro> wtf, this gnome desktop has a start menu like in win32..
[00:21:34] <Asako> I can't give a branded zone its own IP?
[00:22:10] <_mary_kate_> Asako: why are you messing with the xml?  does zonecfg not work?
[00:22:19] <Asako> I'm using zonecfg
[00:22:26] <Asako> ip-type cannot be 'exclusive' when brand is 'lx'.
[00:22:49] <_mary_kate_> by 'its own IP' do you mean you want exclusive IP zone?  zones always have their own IP
[00:22:50] <th> _mary_kate_: i was just too lazy to diagnose with the zonecfg; so i asked him about the xml
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[00:24:29] <Asako> ok, so I have it set right
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[00:25:32] <Asako> connect: Network is unreachable
[00:25:35] <Asako> can't even ping itself
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[00:33:12] <Ouroboro> well, got my UPS working, now just need to wait for snv_100
[00:33:20] <Ouroboro> thanks for the help, later
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[00:41:00] <codestr0m> someone please comment/correct me.. is it legal to redistribute SSX that's included with os2008*
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[00:44:37] <Asako> is it possible to have a zone use dhcp?
[00:45:12] <benr> no.
[00:45:33] <benr> Well... let me be more explicit.
[00:45:35] <codestr0m> Asako: It's really late, but I think you can with crossbow (not released/merged) or you have to dedicate an interface to it..
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[00:45:44] <benr> If its an "Exclusive Interface" zone, yes..........
[00:45:54] <benr> if its a normal "Shared" zone, no.
[00:45:57] <Asako> ok
[00:46:08] <benr> In order to do Exclusive you must dedicate a NIC to the zone.
[00:46:28] <benr> that is, untill Crossbow integrates.
[00:46:29] <benr> then it changes.
[00:46:56] <Asako> yeah, found my problem
[00:47:00] <Asako> was using an IP already in use
[00:47:26] <benr> was noted in syslog right?
[00:48:08] <Asako> my last syslog entry was on the 12th
[00:49:11] <benr> duplicate IP's show show up in dmesg output... in the globalozne
[00:49:35] <Asako> yup, it's there
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[00:51:08] <Asako> now that I have a zone, wtf do I do with it?  lol
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[00:52:51] <kim0> Do FC disks generate a lot more heat than SAS disks same rpm and size ?
[00:53:15] <_mary_kate_> kim0: they're usually exactly the same disk with a different interface
[00:53:30] <_mary_kate_> but note that many SAS disks are 2.5", while FC tends to be 3.5"
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[01:14:20] <solarce> I have a zpool that is 2.53T, I want to shrink it to 2T and carve out a neew pool with the free space, how can I do this?
[01:14:27] <_mary_kate_> you can't
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[01:14:44] <_mary_kate_> why do you want to?
[01:14:56] <solarce> so I can use the space for a separate iscsi target
[01:14:59] <loquitus_of_bor1> Hey people.
[01:15:11] <_mary_kate_> why not put the target in the existing pool?
[01:15:12] <loquitus_of_bor1> How do I tell my OpenSolaris machine to get an IP address?
[01:15:13] <solarce> I'm new to zfs and inheriting an existing system
[01:15:45] <loquitus_of_bor1> ifup eth0 is obviously not applicable here...
[01:15:47] <loquitus_of_bor1> so what is?
[01:15:54] <loquitus_of_bor1> my machine is using the "nwamd"
[01:16:13] <ruse39[home]> loquitus_of_bor1, ifconfig eth0 dhcp
[01:16:32] <ruse39[home]> loquitus_of_bor1, or svcadm restart nwam
[01:16:34] <solarce> _mary_kate_: I believe the whole zpool is already in a filesystem
[01:16:44] <_mary_kate_> solarce: that doesn't make sense
[01:16:53] <_mary_kate_> solarce: filesystems in zfs take no more space than what they're currently using to store files
[01:16:57] <_mary_kate_> they grow as needed
[01:17:36] <solarce> ok
[01:17:52] <solarce> I'm reading the Getting Started section of the Solaris ZFS Admin Guide right now
[01:21:11] <seanmcg> solarce, theres a nice blog about zpools and iscsi here: http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/4220-Less-known-Solaris-Features-iSCSI-Part-2-Basic-iSCSI.html
[01:22:26] <solarce> awesome
[01:22:27] <solarce> thanks
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[01:28:31] <brian> if i have an OS system running can I install solaris 10 without any media?
[01:28:45] <_mary_kate_> brian: by OS do you mean operating system or opensolaris?
[01:28:59] <cypromis> yah I was wondering what he means
[01:29:01] <brian> Open Solaris
[01:29:10] <_mary_kate_> brian: which distribution?
[01:29:14] <cypromis> I was wondering if you want to install OpenSOlaris medialess over cp/m
[01:29:26] <brian> _mary_kate_, The newest one
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[01:29:42] <sponix> cypromis:  what is cp/m ?
[01:29:51] <brian> _mary_kate_, I don't remember the name right now...
[01:29:54] <_mary_kate_> brian: well, that would be version.. which distribution?  indiana (2008.05/2008.11)?  SXCE (nevada)?
[01:29:58] <brian> Indian
[01:30:00] <brian> Indiana
[01:30:10] <_mary_kate_> probably not
[01:30:10] <cypromis> no difference which one you have
[01:30:15] <cypromis> you cannot downgrade it to solaris 10
[01:30:24] <cypromis> and CP/M was an operating system
[01:30:25] <_mary_kate_> cypromis: doesn't LU have some way to run the installer?
[01:30:30] <_mary_kate_> (rather than upgrading itself)
[01:30:58] <cypromis> and it would do what ?
[01:31:01] <Sporq> mmmmmm CP/M
[01:31:11] <_mary_kate_> cypromis: run the installer, presumably.  so you could install it
[01:31:26] <sponix> 2008.11 isn't out yet is it? I'm in the middle of a osol-0811-99 Install, but it isn't final afaik
[01:31:32] <cypromis> LU needs something to upgrade
[01:31:39] <cypromis> solaris10 is quite a lot different from pensolaris
[01:31:47] <cypromis> especially from indiana
[01:31:54] <cypromis> and indiana does not support LU anyway
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[01:32:02] <solarce> _mary_kate_: so if I don't pass a -V flag to zfs create it will just start tiny and grow?
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[01:33:13] <_mary_kate_> solarce: yes, but you need a volume for iscsi, so you must use -V
[01:33:19] <solarce> ah
[01:33:21] <_mary_kate_> solarce: you can use a sparse volume if you want it to not allocate space immediately
[01:33:28] <_mary_kate_> (but make sure the pool doesn't run out of space)
[01:33:54] <solarce> _mary_kate_: I'm doing some testing to use with Xen, considering getting soem J4xxx JBODs :)
[01:34:11] <cypromis> zfs volumes are nice with XVM
[01:34:13] <cypromis> or xen
[01:34:48] <solarce> that's my premise, I can do the same feature set as a middle level iSCSI san, with a little scripting
[01:37:00] <brian> so once I install Solaris 10 5/08, is it easy to upgrade to 10/08?
[01:37:36] <cypromis> yes
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[01:37:55] <cypromis> LU is easy
[01:38:02] <cypromis> maybe not the first time
[01:38:12] <cypromis> but once you done it you will not want to miss it
[01:38:13] <cypromis> :)
[01:39:03] <solarce> _mary_kate_: thank you, that was easy
[01:39:23] <holcomb> 10/08 where are you? :(
[01:41:17] <jbk> so are there any decent audio mixing apps that run on opensolaris?
[01:44:06] <loquitus_of_bor1> audacity
[01:44:13] <loquitus_of_bor1> assuming it runs in Solaris.
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[01:48:17] <brian> cypromis, is solaris the only OS that has live upgrade?
[01:48:26] <cypromis> yep
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[01:48:51] <brian> in a couple of years when solaris 10 dvd image finishes downloading i will burn it to a dvd
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[01:59:21] <CIA-52> Sherry Moore <Sherry.Moore at Sun dot COM>: 6759522 Should allow invocation of quiesce_devices() when panicstr is set
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[02:02:39] <jbk> actually more like dj software
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[02:07:32] <nrubsig> Did anyone succeded with BFU'ing B100 without having a hang later at boot ?
[02:10:02] <brian> what is BFU
[02:11:19] <sponix> Big Fscking Upgrade, Blindingly Fast Upgrade, and a handful of other guesses at what the letters stand for ;)
[02:11:21] <nrubsig> brian: "blinding-fast update" (or "bonwick-faulckner" update), used to grab a compiled OS/Net tree and install it on the current machine (bypassing package install etc.)
[02:11:41] <sponix> brian:  it upgrades the core components of Solaris
[02:12:19] <brian> :)
[02:13:38] <nrubsig> Does anyone know in which MPK building the SystemZ box resides ?
[02:14:05] <brian> MPK? SystemZ?
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[02:14:57] <Gman> nrubsig: ask bill kucharski
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[02:15:20] <nrubsig> brian: Solaris has a SystemZ port (since a few years and it's now even public knowledge so we can talk here about it) - see http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/systemz/
[02:15:34] <nrubsig> Gman: I guess he isn't here on IRC, right ?
[02:15:39] <Gman> right
[02:15:40] <brian> i don't know what systemz is :(
[02:15:45] <Gman> very responsive through mail though
[02:16:27] <nrubsig> Gman: Well, I hoped to find someone to go to the machine, take a photo via handy cam and stuff it on http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/systemz/
[02:16:47] <nrubsig> (sort of a substitute for screenshots)
[02:17:58] <Gman> nrubsig: ask bill :)
[02:18:41] <jbk> brian: the latest name for an S/390
[02:18:43] <nrubsig> brian: systemz is some kind of IBM mainframe hardware
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[02:22:15] <jbk> a previous job at one point had an s/390 to do application integration (basically an MQ series message router and then some), except we couldn't call it a mainframe.. it was an 'enterprise server' because it ran USS :)
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[02:22:48] <brian> what is uss
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[02:23:47] <nrubsig> brian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_Services
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[02:25:49] <jbk> it ws so horrible they moved back to hp-ux :)
[02:27:37] <jbk> part of it i think was the non-distributed design
[02:28:04] <jbk> they had all the business logic running on a single server
[02:28:53] <jbk> so if you wanted to do 'foo' which required talkign to applications x,y,z, all the logic to do that (and every other sort of transaction) lived on one server that then made all the relevant calls
[02:28:57] <jbk> so there were scaling issues
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[04:13:41] <slash^> hi guys, out of curiosity is liveupgrade for zones on ZFS supported now ?
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[04:16:07] <sponix> anyone in here installed VLC through IPS recently ?
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[04:38:53] <freetown> sponix: no vlc packages on the Indiana repository
[04:39:37] <PaulR_> anyone have Virtualbox running?
[04:39:52] <sponix> freetown:  there are in the Blastwave IPS repo, it would be nice if pkg search IPSvlc would tell what version the software is
[04:41:38] <sponix> correction, command I used to list it from blastwave was pkg info -r IPSvlc
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[05:08:29] <sstallion> ugh
[05:09:24] <jbk> evening
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[05:18:10] <PaulR_> so no Vbox users here? :)
[05:19:01] <sstallion> PaulR_: I have in the past
[05:19:06] <sstallion> jbk: how goes LA ?
[05:19:15] <PaulR_> yea I'm trying to make it work in a zone
[05:20:06] <sstallion> probably won't work
[05:20:15] <PaulR_> it is supposed to
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[05:20:23] <PaulR_> according to their docs
[05:20:37] <sstallion> what is the issue you are running into ?
[05:20:45] <jbk> sstallion: fine
[05:20:55] <sstallion> jbk: when do you head home ?
[05:20:57] <PaulR_> not sure to be honest...I can't even find where its dumping logs
[05:21:01] <jbk> i enjoy southern california
[05:21:03] <PaulR_> VERR_VM_DRIVER_OPEN_ERROR is the error I get
[05:21:04] <jbk> saturday
[05:21:13] <jbk> just, i doubt anyone would pay me enough to live here :)
[05:21:51] <sstallion> jbk: I like san diego quite a bit
[05:21:57] <sstallion> not sure I would care much for LA
[05:22:19] <jbk> i just can't stand the drivers in northern california
[05:22:25] <jbk> only place in the country that gives me road rage
[05:22:29] <sstallion> haha
[05:22:58] <jbk> going 15 under the speed limit in the far left lane (that's not the hov lane)
[05:23:08] <jbk> with a turn signal on (I wish i wasn't making this up)
[05:23:27] <PaulR_> you haven't been to Virginia then
[05:24:19] <jbk> but it's just so expensive out here
[05:24:37] <jbk> even the 'cost of living' differences don't do enough
[05:24:47] <PaulR_> where do you live natively?
[05:25:02] <jbk> i live in houston (for now at least)
[05:25:15] <PaulR_> oh...well that's one of the cheapest cities in the US
[05:25:22] <jbk> yeah
[05:25:39] <jbk> so you're looking at ~ 10% more just to account for taxes
[05:25:47] <PaulR_> I've been down to TX a few times and its crazy cheap
[05:25:55] <jbk> then probably another 15-20% just due to housing differences
[05:26:22] <jbk> so you're talking equivalent jobs needing to pay almost 30% more out here (LA/california) to be equivalent
[05:26:31] <PaulR_> most companies do that
[05:26:33] <jbk> and they don't offer that much of a premium
[05:26:41] <jbk> not that i've seen
[05:26:44] <PaulR_> my company does that
[05:26:47] <PaulR_> we have regional pay bands
[05:27:15] <PaulR_> LA and Northern VA to us is region B for pay...Region A is like NYC and the Bay Area
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[05:33:41] <kokoko1> hello
[05:35:00] <kokoko1> I am confuse on sun site they have articles for Solaris 10 10/08 while in download they offer Solaris 10 5/08?
[05:35:17] <kokoko1> is both the same thing?
[05:35:24] <jbk> no
[05:35:30] <freetown> it takes a while i guess
[05:35:35] <jbk> 10/08 should be released soon
[05:35:55] <kokoko1> ah right
[05:36:38] <kokoko1> zfs fs with solaris sound interesting
[05:38:47] <e^ipi> solaris already has ZFS
[05:38:52] <e^ipi> just not for booting off of
[05:39:55] <PaulR_> zfs is allowing for a lot of crazy things
[05:39:57] <chendy> 10/08 does boot from ZFS root
[05:40:06] <PaulR_> 10/08 isn't out yet right
[05:40:15] <PaulR_> its B101 I thought
[05:41:22] <jbk> not that i'm aware of..
[05:41:51] <PaulR_> I'm sure Jonathan will make a big speech out of 10/08
[05:41:54] <PaulR_> or blog or something
[05:42:00] <e^ipi> PaulR_: what? B101 ?
[05:42:15] <PaulR_> build
[05:42:17] <e^ipi> different gates altogether, homie
[05:42:19] <fraggeln> hey, its friday, where is my b100? :D
[05:42:29] <e^ipi> snv VS s10
[05:42:34] <PaulR_> nv_101
[05:42:49] <e^ipi> what about it?
[05:42:59] <PaulR_> nothing...I'd just waiting for it :)
[05:43:03] * e^ipi thinks this is a weird miscommunication
[05:43:05] <PaulR_> I'd/I'm
[05:43:31] <PaulR_> I'm really disappointed with the VM techonology available to Solaris so far
[05:43:49] <e^ipi> which, xen or virtualbox?
[05:43:52] <PaulR_> both
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[05:44:03] <PaulR_> for basic stuff they're fine
[05:44:04] <fraggeln> e^ipi: use zones :)
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[05:44:27] <PaulR_> zones are awesome...my preference for sure but you can really only run Solaris well
[05:44:43] <fraggeln> PaulR_: agree, but isnt esx better for the more advanced stuff?
[05:44:47] <e^ipi> what are you expecting anyhow?
[05:45:01] <chendy> don't forget Brandz
[05:45:07] <PaulR_> well with Zones if you are creative enough you can do dynamic provisioning
[05:45:12] <fraggeln> PaulR_: well, you can run linux in zones :)
[05:45:24] <fraggeln> what more do you need? :)
[05:45:34] <PaulR_> with zones you can edit your zone from the global zone
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[05:46:03] <PaulR_> or access the guest zone FS  from the global zone
[05:46:22] <PaulR_> on Linux you can mount a Xen image file...you can't on Solaris yet
[05:46:48] <PaulR_> so lets say you had a "template zone" - take a zfs snapshot, zfs send/receive and you have a new clone
[05:47:19] <PaulR_> edit the cloned zone's fs, (/etc/nodename, /etc/hosts, etc) and you have a fresh zone
[05:47:41] <PaulR_> and the edit $zone.xml file
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[06:30:46] <lkthomas> hey guys
[06:30:48] <lkthomas> haha
[06:30:50] <lkthomas> we are using gzip-9 on production env now
[06:31:00] <lkthomas> E7200  @ 2.53GHz
[06:31:09] <lkthomas> we are using this cpu but still slow as hell, haha!
[06:31:18] <lkthomas> we receive couple of complain
[06:31:35] <lkthomas> due to file server slow down, haha!
[06:32:32] <jbk> gzip-9 is rather cpu intensive, and really only makes sense if you need it to be as small as possible
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[07:02:49] <ZOP> OK so this almsot makes no sense.
[07:03:32] <ZOP> i lose my opensolaris dom0 (or if not running xVM, just hte host altogether) connectivity but my linux domU is fine.
[07:03:44] <ZOP> blargh brb
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[07:17:55] <brazenisgod> Hey, whats up all?
[07:18:20] <brazenisgod> Anyone awake in here? hehehe
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[07:18:46] <benr> your nick is too brazen for me to approach.
[07:18:53] <brazenisgod> lol
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[07:19:06] <benr> thats better.
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[07:19:37] <nrubsig> benr: can we just crawl through the ban list and check what's no longer needed, please ?
[07:19:41] <nrubsig> s/just//
[07:19:51] <brazenisgod> heh
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[07:19:56] <Jomacki> hey, I just read something about the opensolaris live disc not being able to boot on sata drives, is that true, and is there an easy way to still use the cd with some sort of command line preboot?
[07:21:37] <brazenisgod> I have a problem I need a bit of help with... Im running the latest rev of the live distro and I'm trying to get dual monitors to work on a Sun Ultra 20 workstation with nvidia nvs 285 (quadro)... anyone got a xorg.conf for that?
[07:22:00] <brazenisgod> lawl
[07:23:41] <brazenisgod> Jomacki, I have a sata drive I can test on if you have not confirmed. Let me know, all it takes is a reboot.
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[07:25:08] <Jomacki> test on?
[07:25:25] <Jomacki> i rebooted several times, it goes to a black screen with a some text on the top
[07:25:29] <Jomacki> but it hangs there
[07:25:40] <Jomacki> i can hear my cd rom drive stop spinning each time shortly
[07:25:46] <Jomacki> it never attempts to boot the os
[07:25:58] <brazenisgod> hrm
[07:26:12] <brazenisgod> let me give it a whirl, what hardware are you running on?
[07:26:42] <Jomacki> crap, well it's pretty new dell inspiron, it should work
[07:26:50] <Jomacki> what specifically do you want to know?
[07:26:57] <brazenisgod> that was enough
[07:27:01] <Jomacki> lol
[07:27:03] <Jomacki> thought so ;)
[07:27:04] <brazenisgod> heh
[07:27:20] <Jomacki> it's not that big of a deal
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[07:27:44] <Jomacki> i read someone solved the problem, had to manually edit something and reburn the disc, i'm too lazy for that
[07:28:08] <Jomacki> i was just kind of curious what opensolaris looked like, don't care that much though to risk burning another coaster
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[07:28:59] <brazenisgod> lol
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[07:29:04] <Jomacki> this is the forum i read that led me to believe it was my sata drive
[07:29:05] <Jomacki> http://forums.opensolaris.com/thread.jspa?threadID=481
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[07:30:24] <brazenisgod> honestly the gui just looks like custom gnome with a sun background
[07:30:51] <Jomacki> well, i was gonna fondle it a little more, lol
[07:31:00] <brazenisgod> almost feels a lil like ubuntu though... which is really odd for a Sun release
[07:32:04] <brazenisgod> kinda like JDS and ubuntu had sex and made a gnome skin
[07:32:05] <brazenisgod> lol
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[07:32:29] * brazenisgod scratches his head
[07:32:35] <brazenisgod> that sounded worse the more i typed.
[07:33:23] <Jomacki> lol
[07:33:47] <Jomacki> a new campaign perhaps?
[07:33:55] <Jomacki> Linux: Sexier than Vista and Leopard?
[07:35:04] <brazenisgod> uhhh
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[07:35:30] <brazenisgod> more like : "Linux: cheaper than Vista and Leopard"
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[07:35:52] <brazenisgod> Leopard is pretty darn smexy
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[07:37:08] <brazenisgod> I might be biassed though... chatting with you on IRC in Vista and running open solaris in xvm/virtual box on my macbook pro
[07:37:36] <brazenisgod> there is another option... download the latest ver of virtual box and test open solaris
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[07:37:55] <brazenisgod> if you just want to toy with it a bit
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[07:39:43] <brazenisgod> Glad I added joins and quits again... i get tired of talking to myself.
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[07:42:09] <Triskelios> btw, 2008.05's GNOME setup is mostly "stock", the only alterations being the background as you mentioned, and the JDS widget theme
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[07:45:48] <brazenisgod> yup
[07:46:37] <brazenisgod> its pretty hot though. I like it. simple and to the point while retaining functionality
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[07:47:23] <brazenisgod> jesus, does it sound like I work for sun?
[07:48:20] <brazenisgod> Tris, did you see my question from earlier about xorg?
[07:48:56] <Triskelios> lemme scroll up
[07:50:04] <lkthomas> hmm
[07:50:15] <lkthomas> seems multicore does not help on zfs compression
[07:50:21] <lkthomas> multicores CPU I mean
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[07:51:18] <Triskelios> brazenisgod: the nvidia driver allows display hotplugging with nvidia-settings; I think you can also generate a static xorg.conf with that
[07:53:26] <brazenisgod> yea tried that
[07:53:47] <brazenisgod> you mean using the built in nvidia x tool?
[07:54:11] <brazenisgod> i enabled it and it wrote to the xorg.conf then it poops on boot>gui-load
[07:54:29] <CosmicDJ> lkthomas: hm is your cpu 100 % busy when you turn compression on? or did you except to get bettter % compression with your multicore cpu? ;)
[07:55:58] <brazenisgod> I find it comical that using a SUN ultra 20 and SUN open solaris and there are base compatibility issues even though the OS states that the driver is supported and installed.
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[07:57:08] <brazenisgod> I guess its not too bad though, there is an onboard video that works just fine. just need to point xorg to video1 (pcie nvida nvs)
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[07:58:25] <brazenisgod> unless there is something new that I am overlooking, I can rename xorg.conf and X loads just fine. where is it pulling settings from? (also no /root/xorg.conf existing)
[07:58:40] <Triskelios> brazenisgod: X normally doesn't need an xorg.conf
[07:58:59] <brazenisgod> ahh, but if there is one, it will use it.
[07:59:03] <brazenisgod> gotcha
[07:59:20] <Triskelios> brazenisgod: you can write out the current config with Xorg -configure (while X isn't running; disable gdm first)
[08:00:07] <brazenisgod> tried that too, still no love. although I didnt kill gdm
[08:00:10] <brazenisgod> let metry again
[08:00:19] <Triskelios> I think the only line you need for a static "twinview" (NVIDIA's term for dual head) config is the TwinViewOrientation option
[08:01:11] <Triskelios> (/usr/share/doc/NVIDIA/ has the details)
[08:01:13] <brazenisgod> do you run Xorg -configure from /usr/X11/bin or from the /X11R6 dir?
[08:01:51] <brazenisgod> im not sure the difference.. sorry for being noobish.
[08:02:30] <Triskelios>  /usr/X11/bin should be in your default path so you don't need to specify it... /usr/X11R6 doesn't exist afaik
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[08:04:49] <brazenisgod> R6 is on my 2008.5 live installation
[08:05:08] <brazenisgod> at /usr/X11R6/bin
[08:05:21] <brazenisgod> might be a fluke
[08:05:23] <Triskelios> okay. should be the same thing. just type Xorg -configure
[08:09:01] <brazenisgod> brb
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[08:17:27] <trochej> Coffee
[08:19:21] <brazenisg0d> mmmmmmmmm coffee
[08:20:11] <trochej> God
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[08:20:49] <brazenisg0d> Yes trochej?
[08:20:53] <trochej> :)
[08:21:05] <brazenisg0d> :oP
[08:21:20] <trochej> I'm looking for a way to somehow get from Tiger OS X the WEP wifi password it uses.
[08:21:25] <trochej> And I'm at aloss
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[08:21:30] <bda> trochej: Keychain Access.
[08:21:36] <bda> Search in the login keychain.
[08:21:49] <brazenisg0d> damn he's quick
[08:22:18] * bda has used OS X since it came out, and used Keychain Access for almost as long. :)
[08:22:40] * brazenisg0d commends bda
[08:25:03] <lkthomas> CosmicDJ, hehe, right
[08:26:23] <trochej> bda: Thnx
[08:26:41] <bda> np
[08:27:14] <lkthomas> guys, what program can I use to do random write/read on raw disk ?
[08:27:32] <lkthomas> I want to simulate the actual disk I/O env
[08:27:37] <bda> filebench
[08:27:47] <lkthomas> is it in sun product ?
[08:27:49] <bda> hm, maybe. Not sure about that.
[08:28:05] <bda> Yeah, it's free, though.
[08:28:12] <lkthomas> hmm
[08:28:13] <bda> Not sure about your use case, but it might be useful. It's a cool tool, regardless.
[08:28:19] <lkthomas> right
[08:28:39] <bda> http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/FileBench # Or not Sun.
[08:28:42] * bda confused. :)
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[08:30:14] <trochej> bda: Thnx
[08:30:16] <trochej> It workded
[08:30:32] <CosmicDJ> bda: filebench works on a raw device?
[08:30:42] <CosmicDJ> or disk
[08:30:53] <bda> CosmicDJ: I misread; not sure. :)
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[08:38:55] <lkthomas> hmm
[08:39:00] <lkthomas> right after create raidz2
[08:39:06] <lkthomas> uncorrectable data error happen
[08:39:07] <lkthomas> hmm
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[08:58:45] <DTEIT> morning
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[09:11:58] <xRaich[o]2x> Coffee </trochej>
[09:12:49] <trochej> xRaich[o]2x: :)
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[09:18:40] <dclarke> slightly offtopic question : anyone here have servers running in a really really cold server room? At what point is the server room too cold is the question?
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[09:19:43] <trochej> dclarke: IIRC 15 Celsius degrees is the moment that water from air consolidates.
[09:19:58] <dclarke> also .. has anyone *ever* figured out a way to reset the password in an RSC card for a V480 or V880 ?
[09:20:12] <CosmicDJ> dclarke: http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x2200/specs.xml -> Operating temperature
[09:20:32] <dclarke> consolidates? you mean condensates in the air ?
[09:20:41] 
[09:20:48] <trochej> dclarke: Yes. I forgo0t the word
[09:20:52] <trochej> CosmicDJ: :)
[09:20:57] <dclarke> no problem ..
[09:21:07] <dclarke> hell ... Canada is a crazy place to run a datacenter sometimes
[09:21:17] <dclarke> the temperature outside is dropping fast
[09:21:35] <dclarke> and the AC in the computer room is still running as *if* it were summer
[09:21:51] <dclarke> for example .. a V240 says
[09:21:58] <dclarke> System Temperatures (Temperatures in Celsius):
[09:22:03] <dclarke> Sensor         Status    Temp LowHard LowSoft LowWarn HighWarn HighSoft HighHard
[09:22:09] <dclarke> MB.P0.T_CORE    OK         51     --      --      --     110      115      118
[09:22:18] <dclarke> MB.P1.T_CORE    OK         44     --      --      --     110      115      118
[09:22:23] <dclarke> MB.T_ENC        OK         19     -6      -3       5      40       48       51
[09:22:38] <dclarke> notice the wild temp shift between the two CPU's
[09:22:51] <dclarke> and that 19C is *inside* the server
[09:23:21] <CosmicDJ> where's the sensor located? in front of a heavy blowing fan? ;)
[09:23:38] <dclarke> no .. that is the environmental sensor inside the V240
[09:23:52] <dclarke> so .. I don't know where on the motehrboard it is
[09:24:01] <dclarke> a V480 says
[09:24:10] <dclarke> Device          Temperature     Status
[09:24:15] <dclarke> DBP0             22             OK
[09:24:34] <dclarke> and the CPU's are all at 49 to 52C
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[09:24:58] <dclarke> my concern at the moment is that I am getting condensation in there .. th air must be 14C or so
[09:25:38] <dclarke> I better switch to Canadian winter mode .. run de-humidifier and a fan .. nothing else
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[09:25:53] <trochej> dclarke: Yes, when you have so different temperatures, it may start condesating.
[09:26:13] <dclarke> trochej: that is my worry
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[09:26:39] <dclarke> trochej: I can imagine the service call to Sun. Hey .. my server has frost on it .. is that okay for a Sun Fire server ?
[09:27:03] <freetown> yes, Fire melts frost
[09:27:11] <dclarke> ha ha
[09:27:16] <dclarke> yeah .. into water
[09:27:23] <dclarke> which then drops into servers
[09:27:40] <freetown> hmm....my mistake...Fire turns frost in steam
[09:27:46] <freetown> no problem at all
[09:27:53] <freetown> :D
[09:27:55] <dclarke> :-)
[09:27:59] <dclarke> yeah right ..
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[09:28:24] <dclarke> okay .. so now I need to refer to Steam Engine thermodynamic tables for data
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[09:29:36] <freetown> ah, time to attach a tesla turbine to the Sun Fire
[09:29:38] <dclarke> on other fronts .. looks like my VMware platinum support expired
[09:29:58] * dclarke goes to look up tesla turbine
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[09:31:18] <dclarke> anyone seen Solaris 10 update 6 yet in the wild ?
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[09:31:46] <Macabee> end of the month dclarke
[09:31:50] <dclarke> or maybe an update to the Sun Studio download tarballs? sunstudio11-ii-20070829-sol-sparc.tar.bz2
[09:31:52] <Macabee> as it says on the site
[09:31:58] <dclarke> end of month
[09:32:00] <dclarke> damn
[09:32:03] <dclarke> I want it .. now
[09:32:05] <dclarke> right now
[09:32:11] <dclarke> I'm special and I want it now
[09:32:11] <Macabee> don't we all? :)
[09:32:13] * dclarke whines
[09:32:18] <Macabee> zfs root at last
[09:32:23] <dclarke> yeah
[09:32:26] <dclarke> in production
[09:32:47] <Macabee> i use zfs root on my home server which runs snv_99 of opensolaris ips
[09:32:51] <freetown> just go Indiana.
[09:32:54] * freetown runs and hides
[09:32:58] <slash^> guys with zfs root, does that mean liveupgrade will support zones on the ZFS ?
[09:33:09] <dclarke> freetown: I have that here too
[09:33:14] <Macabee> slash^: dunno
[09:33:28] <freetown> dclarke: in production?
[09:33:43] <dclarke> freetown : one server .. sort of in production yes
[09:33:52] <freetown> blastwave?
[09:33:56] <dclarke> freetown: and one BeleniX server
[09:34:01] <dclarke> yes
[09:34:09] <freetown> ah
[09:34:13] <slash^> would be a tad lame to have a ZFS root and then have your zone sstill on UFS :(
[09:34:21] <dclarke> freetown : I expect to have a desktop server shortly
[09:34:31] <slash^> can it be done on the sxce releases ?
[09:34:37] <freetown> hmm....desktop server?
[09:35:01] <dclarke> freetown : which means people can login to an acces point and then have a OpenSolaris desktop .. or Sol10 or BeleniX or .. whatever
[09:35:31] <dclarke> freetown : with the ability to drift from server to server .. and use dev tools and such
[09:35:35] <freetown> dclarke: wow, taht is interesting
[09:35:52] <dclarke> dclarke : the prototype was up back in June .. you missed the test
[09:35:58] <freetown> dclarke: dumb access terminals?
[09:36:16] <dclarke> dclarke : some guys tested it from Poland and Australia and California .. I had a massive internet pipe up for that
[09:36:26] <dclarke> freetown : full graphical desktop
[09:36:50] <dclarke> freetown : no .. you can not run multimedia .. unless you want problems or you have a ton of bandwidth :-\
[09:36:53] <freetown> ah, i thought you have physical points all over the place
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[09:37:14] <dclarke> freetown : my theory is that the desktop and the workstation do not exist anymore
[09:37:35] <freetown> dclarke: heard of ncomputing?
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[09:37:44] <dclarke> freetown : as far as I am concerned CPU horsepower in your cell phone is getting to be high enough to run a graphical interface
[09:38:12] <dclarke> freetow : I did a lot of research on it .. but did not want to get bogged down
[09:38:32] <dclarke> at the moment .. I have to be concerned about the temperatur in the data center .. it is real cold in there
[09:38:34] <freetown> dclarke: well, i work in a school and we have dozens of ncomputing terminals...too bad they are tied to Windows.
[09:38:58] <dclarke> freetown : everyone wants Windows XP or Vista but they are too stupiud to know why
[09:39:44] <freetown> freetown: bah, i cannot say much for the school...this whole lot was inherited when i took over the previous IT chap's job
[09:40:47] <dclarke> well .. I have to go .. I have to get samba 3.2.2 released .. I have been running it for a month and it works great on Solaris x86 and Sparc .. but I have not released it
[09:41:01] <dclarke> well .. I have to fix the ADS stuff .. but I need a wondows guru for that
[09:41:05] <freetown> got a build for Indiana?
[09:41:09] <Triskelios> slash^: whole-root zones definitely work (even on UFS root), don't know about zones with inherited stuff
[09:41:09] <dclarke> yes
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[09:41:24] <dclarke> freetown: that is why I run the Indiana server
[09:41:30] <freetown> dclarke: :D
[09:41:32] <dclarke> freetown: for testing such things
[09:42:05] <freetown> dclarke: i better take a look...i need 3.0.29 to handle one blooming Vista SP1 client
[09:42:24] <freetown> dclarke: does your samba package support zfs acls?
[09:42:28] <dclarke> I tested the hell out of Vista
[09:42:41] <dclarke> no .. ZFS ACLs .. og hell . .tough to say
[09:42:50] <dclarke> that is tough
[09:43:00] <dclarke> did Sun push the code upstream ? if no .. then no
[09:43:02] <freetown> ah shucks...i guess i have to upgrde to 200811
[09:43:19] <dclarke> let me check what I am running
[09:43:19] <freetown> no source packages on indiana repo. hmmph
[09:43:34] <dclarke> freetown : noticed that too eh?
[09:43:46] <freetown> dclarke: oh i whined about it
[09:44:04] <ky-san> dclarke: I have a workstation. They are not dead :)
[09:44:22] * freetown grabs and dons asbestos armour
[09:44:47] <dclarke> well ... ky-san .. people like you are the problem
[09:45:03] <ky-san> :)
[09:45:50] <dclarke> freetown : I know people whine at Blastwave from time to time about sources and I generally say .. yes .. what do you need .. I'll made a CD for you .. then they could care less .. or I say .. go get the sources from Samba .. we make no change .. but really .. I have to look at source package distribution also .. it is a bitch of an issue
[09:46:50] <ky-san> all motherboards with more than one cpu socket and PCIe16x slot(s)+SCSI/SAS+etc are dedicated to workstations...
[09:46:51] <lkthomas> very interesting, hmm
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[09:49:06] <freetown> dclarke: i have only started using blastwave today to grab vlc...no idea about blastwave history except what i got on this channel from you :)
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[09:49:44] <freetown> but i do wish that the indiana repo has source packages for their packages
[09:49:47] <dclarke> well .. its real real simple .. people make software packages .. people use software packages .. I like to help that keep going
[09:49:52] <dclarke> thats about it
[09:49:56] <dclarke> real complex
[09:50:04] <oxygene> heh
[09:50:14] <freetown> :) to carry out :) thanks for your services
[09:50:33] <dclarke> I know there are some people that want to complicate the hell out of that .. but .. over six years as of this month .. I never did a damn thing but try to facilitate
[09:50:44] <freetown> i guess the blastwave repo offers source packages?
[09:50:52] <dclarke> oh .. and I get my hands into packages like GCC and Samba
[09:50:59] <dclarke> some of the bigger ones that are a bugger
[09:51:01] <dclarke> like GNOME
[09:51:04] <oxygene> freetown: there's no normalized source package format for either svr4 packages or ips packages
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[09:51:33] <dclarke> oxygene : normalized ? you mean an intermediate lavel ?
[09:51:37] <freetown> oxygene: so it is hit ON to get the source?
[09:52:07] <oxygene> dclarke: anything "standard". debian has "real" source packages, for example (.tar.gz + diffs + standard build process, and all the stuff)
[09:52:56] <freetown> oxygene: yeah...that was the kind of thing i am used...from the Redhat side of things
[09:53:03] <dclarke> oxygene : source distribution is always a bugger to solve .. people want *everything* and they want it now and for free ..
[09:53:06] <Triskelios> freetown: ON, or various other consolidations. the package prototypes are available, though
[09:53:14] * dclarke wants Sol10 update 6 .. now
[09:53:22] <oxygene> dclarke: pmpkg is pure source, I don't have problems there ;)
[09:53:33] <dclarke> yeah .. that is a good way to go too
[09:53:45] * fraggeln wants sxce 100 :D
[09:53:50] <freetown> Triskelios: oh. I'll just try to wade through ON then.
[09:53:51] <dclarke> on that note .. I have to push out an update to m4-1.4.11
[09:54:00] <dclarke> some pople seem to want m4 named gm4
[09:54:11] <dclarke> and so I have to have a symlink in the page for gm4 -> m4
[09:54:23] <dclarke> and so I have to have a symlink in the package for gm4 -> m4
[09:55:11] <freetown> dclarke: i don't want to sound greedy but...is kde4 o blastwave?
[09:55:17] <freetown> s/o/on/
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[09:56:51] <dclarke> freetown : http://wiki.blastwave.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=19
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[09:57:13] <dclarke> see "KDE 4.1.2 source is hosted on Blastwave for the build. A KDE 4.1.x binary build is in the works from various teams."
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[09:57:27] <freetown> dclarke: I got this: Install Phase                            15969/18145 Action install failed for 'opt/csw/bin/lame' (pkg://Blastwave/IPSlame):   Do i need to update IPS or something?
[09:57:58] <dclarke> hrmmm .. tough to say
[09:58:12] <dclarke> I have to address that IPS server at some point
[09:58:31] <dclarke> the IPS server is way out of date
[09:58:45] <oxygene> IPS.. bah.. unfortunately the install project on opensolaris.org stopped distributing source tarballs of the svr4 package tools :-/
[09:59:11] <dclarke> you noticed that too
[09:59:12] <oxygene> so it seems they really go the way of the dodo..
[09:59:29] <dclarke> actually .. I think the sources are in hg somewhere
[09:59:33] <Triskelios> oxygene: which package tools?
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[09:59:36] <dclarke> I had a tarball from a while ago
[09:59:42] <oxygene> dclarke: the old tarballs are still available
[09:59:59] <dclarke> yeah but there were some fixes that never got in there .. of course
[10:00:07] <oxygene> hurray
[10:00:20] <oxygene> they have adapted the tree layout to ON's.. which confused me a bit
[10:00:34] <dclarke> oxygene: SVR4 package format will be supported for a long long long time in Solaris 10 of course
[10:00:35] <oxygene> Triskelios: pkgadd/pkgrm etc
[10:00:39] <Triskelios> oxygene: ah
[10:00:45] <dclarke> so the SVR4 package sources will be around for a while
[10:00:49] <asyd> \_o<
[10:00:59] <freetown> what does that mean asyd?
[10:01:06] <freetown> dead?
[10:01:08] <oxygene> freetown: it's a duck
[10:01:15] <freetown> doh
[10:01:15] <oxygene> quack quack
[10:02:10] <freetown> day's over. See ya all. QUACK!
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[10:02:36] <dclarke> I have to run
[10:02:44] <dclarke> got to check server temperatures ..
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[10:09:26] <oxygene> "We're actively working on moving the SVR4 packaging sources back to the ON gate so that this will be resolved" ah, okay..
[10:09:37] <oxygene> so there's hope ;)
[10:09:43] <codestr0m> yuck
[10:10:02] <oxygene> (unless sun somehow manages to reassign those people to other projects while the code disappeared and before they manage to integrate it)
[10:10:19] <oxygene> wouldn't be the first time they kill a project in that way
[10:11:32] <oxygene> codestr0m: yuck?
[10:11:48] <codestr0m> SVR4 == yuck
[10:12:09] <tsoome> why are you on this channel then?!
[10:12:22] <codestr0m> tsoome: I use IPS and I'm working on making it better?
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[10:12:28] <oxygene> codestr0m: IPS, too. and that's toddler-grade yuck
[10:12:33] <codestr0m> why are you in this channel?
[10:12:47] <codestr0m> oxygene: IPS is yuck atm, but I see a lot of potential
[10:12:59] <oxygene> I see lot of potential for the svr4 code base, too
[10:13:16] <codestr0m> knock yourself out. it's just packaging :)
[10:14:11] <tsoome> err, shouldnt packaging system do a.... packaging?
[10:14:34] <codestr0m> tsoome: you're stating the obvious.. why?
[10:14:43] <oxygene> codestr0m: and next time it's about filesystems, then about scheduling, and in the end, solaris is as bad as linux. great ;)
[10:15:21] <codestr0m> oxygene: I'll ignore that as it has no relevance to the current discussion
[10:15:49] <tsoome> hm i must be gotten it wrong then;) seems i didnt understood what are you exactly trying to achieve;)
[10:16:06] <oxygene> that indiana fuck-up (that IPS is part of) is really annoying. I merely return the favor
[10:16:27] <codestr0m> oxygene: aha. gotcha..
[10:17:10] <codestr0m> tsoome: in general..  "make things better" personally I'm porting bits to sun cc and packaging
[10:17:37] <oxygene> codestr0m: and needlessly replacing a component of the system with some from-scratch tool without a clear design. that's linux style
[10:18:07] <codestr0m> oxygene: you're being flippant.. they put a lot of thought into this.. the from scratch part is where you got me though
[10:18:08] <tsoome> "make things better" in open source world has usually lead to total fuckup, so .....
[10:18:21] <codestr0m> tsoome: bug fixes lead to total fuckup?
[10:18:47] <tsoome> now you are talking about bug fixes;)
[10:18:57] <tsoome> and it depends how its done;)
[10:19:06] <codestr0m> tsoome: doesn't that go hand in hand with making things better?
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[10:19:11] <oxygene> codestr0m: so they put a lot of thought into it, and killed the use-any-rsync/ftp-capable-server-as-mirror model (highly successful)...
[10:19:16] <codestr0m> I have things to do.. ping me if you have a bug I can maybe fix :)
[10:19:28] <codestr0m> oxygene: it's a feature
[10:19:29] <codestr0m> ;)
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[10:19:47] <codestr0m> they blame that on python.. go complain in #pkg5
[10:19:52] <MukiEX> If you have a RAID-Z setup, and the disk you have OpenSolaris on goes bad, so you replace it and reinstall OpenSolaris, is it hard to re-detect the raid array?
[10:20:35] <CosmicDJ> AFAIK it's just a matter of zpool import
[10:21:18] <tsoome> yep thats correct
[10:21:21] <Stric> yes, just zpool import
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[10:23:03] <MukiEX> nice
[10:24:16] <Berny> morning folks
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[10:28:31] <Berny> question about disks in a sparc box - c0t0d0 has the usual slice layout, i added another disks (which once was part of a zpool in another box) so the new disks looks very different, no slice 2 as whole disk, but slices 0-6 and 8, shows only sectors, no cylinders etc is there some different label on that disks (because of zfs been there before)? if so whats the recommended way to make it back into a "normal" disk?
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[10:31:39] <twisti> codestr0m, ping
[10:31:48] <codestr0m> twisti: pong
[10:32:00] <twisti> codestr0m, Did you already update to snv_99?
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[10:32:11] <codestr0m> twisti: on the laptop I rarely use yes
[10:32:16] <codestr0m> from snv_98 to 99
[10:32:21] * twisti too
[10:32:29] <twisti> Are you using Evolution?
[10:32:33] <codestr0m> it's safe if that's your question, but not fully tested
[10:32:34] <twisti> I crashes a lot for me.
[10:32:54] <ky-san> how do I list all active cron jobs? including created with 'batch' ones
[10:33:06] <codestr0m> I'd have to find the spec file and compile with -g for you to help or find the core and use dbx
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[10:33:33] <twisti> codestr0m, I normally use pstack, that's more comfortable :)
[10:34:13] <codestr0m> twisti: ok. :) I'll keep that in mind next time I get a core.. you need any help building the package in os2008* ?
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[10:35:06] <twisti> No thanks, I just wanted to know if other people have crashes too.
[10:35:25] <codestr0m> I can test it real quick.. how easy is it to get it to crash?
[10:35:32] <codestr0m> like on start or after usage
[10:35:48] <codestr0m> also keep in mind my experience with evolution is that it's low quality
[10:36:13] <twisti> After usage.
[10:36:36] <twisti> You don't have to test, thanks.
[10:37:42] <codestr0m> well. in about a week or so I hope to be testing kmail on kde4 :)
[10:41:35] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: so the kde solaris team is done porting it?
[10:42:20] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: they've been doing some testing. SS are up (which look nice.. spec files are around and the current blocking issue with me testing is my task list
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[10:43:36] <twisti> codestr0m, KDE? Didn't know it will come...
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[10:44:30] <codestr0m> twisti: well. I'm not sure what the integration plans for os200X* are, but I know I'll be at the very least testing it
[10:47:05] <twisti> I see.
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[10:49:53] <Berny> twisti, i use evolution on sxce99 all day long
[10:50:03] <Berny> no crashes since the upgrade yet
[10:51:59] <twisti> Berny, Strange...
[10:52:29] <twisti> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3942
[10:52:35] <twisti> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3952
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[10:55:07] <Berny> you on opensolaris2008.xx then?
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[10:55:37] <Lalu> who to become root at the opensolaris live cd?
[10:55:45] <Berny> pfexec sh
[10:56:49] <Lalu> thx, it's odd that the prompt didnt change
[10:57:16] <twisti> Berny, Yes.
[10:58:08] <codestr0m> Berny: I didn't know pfexec would make you root. I thought you had to pfexec su - (to also take the root's path optional)
[10:58:34] <codestr0m> s/pfexec would/pfexec sh would/
[10:58:59] <Stric> pfexec executes something as root, so why wouldn't starting sh as root get you root?
[10:59:11] <mike-11101> (10:57:49 AM) Lalu: thx, it's odd that the prompt didnt change -> na, $ changes to # , stay sharp ;)
[11:00:40] <codestr0m> Stric: oversight since I've never done it..  to switch users.. I always just su.. to each his/her own
[11:01:24] <mike-11101> so when is b100 iso going to be out?
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[11:07:00] <trochej> Coffee
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[11:09:42] <tsoome> anyone got information about sun cluster event mib they are using?
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[13:26:36] <codestr0m> what's the best way to handle DT_UNKNOWN it's not defined in dirent.h
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[13:27:59] <oxygene> codestr0m: #ifndef _sun / #endif around its use in the source, probably.
[13:28:33] <_mary_kate_> without know the context.. if you need to check for a preprocessor macro, don't check the platform, check the macro
[13:28:37] <_mary_kate_> #ifdef DT_UNKNOWN
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[13:29:27] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: well. it's coming up symbol unknown.. they just assumed it would be defined in direct.h I guess (and it's not)
[13:29:36] <oxygene> _mary_kate_: and then hope that it's a macro on all platforms where it exists
[13:29:37] <codestr0m> dirent.h *
[13:30:09] <codestr0m> if (entry->d_type == DT_UNKNOWN ||
[13:30:10] <codestr0m>  71             (followsyms && entry->d_type == DT_LNK)) {
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[13:38:03] <evocallaghan> Hey all
[13:38:47] <evocallaghan> Is anyone looking into http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6728591 yet ? Its now affected 3 more laptops that I have come across. All brand new
[13:42:06] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: I think you'll have to replace that code with readdir and lstat...
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[13:42:57] <CosmicDJ> + S_IFDIR etc. checks
[13:43:07] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: thanks
[13:47:29] <CosmicDJ> or you keep dirent and lstat(d->name)
[13:49:49] <CosmicDJ> forget my last sentence...
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[13:59:42] <CIA-52> pengcheng chen - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Pengcheng.Chen at Sun dot COM>: 6689092 wpi driver scan result will not change even if AP is powered off, 6735639 WiFi wpi driver tries to free memory twice on attach fail, 6757644 wpi driver failed to reconnect to AP after frequent "fatal firmware errors", 6757660 panic in `wpi_m_stat()' with frequent "fatal firmware errors"
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[14:16:30] <asyd> anilg: you're the anil who was at toulouse this monday?
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[14:25:57] <trygvis> have anyone been able to run java 6u7 in a lx branded zone?
[14:29:07] <trygvis> tried to strace it, but then it just hangs after rt_sigsuspend
[14:29:42] <oxygene> trygvis: I think all recent javas for linux want kernel2.6 syscalls
[14:30:02] <oxygene> at least that was my experience with java on bsd
[14:30:11] <trygvis> hm, might be a point
[14:32:08] <codestr0m> if I'm in a chroot and I mess with crle it only affects everything inside the chroot right? (I'd rather double check and appear stupid than render my system useless)
[14:32:24] <oxygene> you could also not mess with crle ;)
[14:32:26] * fraggeln pokes evocallaghan
[14:32:39] <codestr0m> oxygene: that's not an option :)
[14:32:55] <oxygene> codestr0m: it should only affect some stuff in /etc. so if your chroot doesn't have that loopmounted from root, it should be okay. notice all the "should"s ;)
[14:33:15] <codestr0m> oxygene: yeah .thanks..
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[14:34:15] <fraggeln> evocallaghan: its friday :D
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[14:34:32] <evocallaghan> Um, that is correct
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[15:09:12] <mosgalin> hi everybody
[15:09:24] <codestr0m> hi
[15:09:32] <mosgalin> i installed opensolaris 2008.11 preview (osol-0811-99) 2 days ago, installed a few packages
[15:09:38] <mosgalin> and now pkg stopped working
[15:09:45] <codestr0m> mosgalin: what's it do?
[15:09:51] <mosgalin> it simply writes "Segmentation Fault (core dumped)"
[15:10:00] <mosgalin> pstack core shows nothing interesting
[15:10:29] <mosgalin> some commands, like pkginfo work; but "pkg" with or without options doesn't work at all
[15:10:45] <codestr0m> mosgalin: I'm going to guess you're pretty apt.. segfault == python segfault in this case
[15:10:50] <mosgalin> yes
[15:11:11] <codestr0m> maybe grab the python spec file.. add -g and get a proper stack.. if you like I can give a few more tips on how to do this?
[15:11:26] <codestr0m> are you using python 2.4 or 2.5?
[15:11:28] <mosgalin> but i haven't updated anything. I just installed gcc and some packages with pkg, and after a while noticed it crashes
[15:11:37] <mosgalin> Python 2.4.4
[15:11:41] <mosgalin> in distribution
[15:12:17] <codestr0m> past here.. you may ask in #pkg5 as those guys are building it, but this is a py error.. maybe use truss and see where it segfaults?
[15:12:19] <mosgalin> umm.. add -g to what?
[15:12:27] <codestr0m> mosgalin: compile py with -g
[15:13:19] <mosgalin> here's pstack core output: http://paste.org/index.php?id=4049
[15:14:10] <codestr0m> try with py25 or you didn't have a chance to get that installed?
[15:14:17] <mosgalin> python doesn't have "-g" option
[15:14:24] <codestr0m> you could also verify the python package
[15:14:27] <mosgalin> no.. btw python 2.5 doesn't have this option too
[15:14:33] <codestr0m> mosgalin: I mean.. recompile python.. cc -g...
[15:14:40] <mosgalin> oh
[15:15:05] <mosgalin> impossible right now, unfortunately.. i only have gcc + libc devel, python requires much more
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[15:15:54] <codestr0m> os2008* comes pretty well equiped to build stuff.. and SS12 (sun studio) or SSX (express) will install on there and work out-of-box
[15:16:09] <oxygene> unless pkg stoped working
[15:16:12] <oxygene> *cough*
[15:16:45] <mosgalin> i'll get truss output in a sec
[15:16:46] <codestr0m> oxygene: nope.. you can unpack the SSX package from july or SS12 doesn't even use IPS
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[15:17:58] <odix67> is it possible to disable nwam from fail-safe mode, because system is hanging at boot trying to connect via wifi (wpi), disabling radio switch doesn't help, any ideas ?
[15:18:01] <mosgalin> i have no experince with sun studio (i came from linux land ;) ), though i don't have problems with compiling python.. but yes, without pkg it's hard
[15:18:39] <codestr0m> mosgalin: don't fear SS.. you've got a command line version.. just like (or dare I say) better than gcc
[15:19:03] <codestr0m> SS12 has an installer and will dump it here  /opt/SUNWspro by default
[15:19:15] <codestr0m> you just set CC, CFLAGS.. etc.. and should be good to go
[15:19:17] <odix67> its an SXCE 99svn
[15:19:26] <codestr0m> (not sure if you want to develop stuff or just file a bug report)
[15:19:44] <mosgalin> truss output: http://paste.org/index.php?id=4050
[15:20:11] <codestr0m> ouch
[15:20:14] <mosgalin> it's osol-0811-99.iso from genunix.org
[15:21:15] <mosgalin> truss output seems broken.. i'll resubmit last lines
[15:21:24] <codestr0m> someone around here with more knowledge than I will have to help..
[15:21:38] <codestr0m> yeah. the last line didn't seem good. I mean open64( and hten nothing
[15:22:05] <mosgalin> here: http://paste.org/index.php?id=4051
[15:22:17] <mosgalin> paste.org has limit on amount of text
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[15:25:09] <codestr0m> I'd say maybe file a bug report
[15:25:27] <codestr0m> or maybe try to manually extract the py package
[15:25:53] <mosgalin> well actually all I need right now is SUNWpl5u package
[15:26:05] <mosgalin> can i somehow install it without pkg?
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[15:26:57] <CosmicDJ> that's perl, isn't it?
[15:27:01] <mosgalin> yes
[15:27:01] <oxygene> yes
[15:27:42] <mosgalin> i was trying to install web server 7.0 from java enterprise system and it asked for that
[15:28:20] <CosmicDJ> well I never touched Opensolaris after the Indiana Betas again, but IMHO you should have perl somewhere in /usr/bin
[15:29:21] <mosgalin> well this part of perl doesn't seem to be installed
[15:29:54] <oxygene> it might just miss the package name
[15:30:41] <mosgalin> well anyway.. is there a way to manually download install this package?
[15:30:48] <mosgalin> things like pkgadd, pkginfo etc still work
[15:31:03] <oxygene> yes, but they work against a different package database
[15:31:12] <vmlemon_> Out of interest, how often is the "ON Source" tarball on http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/ updated?
[15:31:26] <vmlemon_> (I know it's deprecated, although I'm not planning on trying to build it)
[15:31:56] <codestr0m> vmlemon_: I'm pretty sure there's nightly snapshots.. (if they are still doing them)I don't remember where
[15:31:59] <mosgalin> is there any other tool besides pkg which works with IPS?
[15:32:09] <vmlemon_> codestr0m: Thanks
[15:32:20] <CosmicDJ> vmlemon_: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/ I think you can to the math yourself ;)
[15:32:46] <vmlemon_> OK
[15:33:24] <evocallaghan> Acturly you can't install SS12 on opensolaris
[15:33:37] <evocallaghan> as you can't install the patches ..
[15:33:45] <evocallaghan> As patchadd is broken
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[15:34:39] <oxygene> evocallaghan: I guess that's what the tarball is for
[15:34:46] <CosmicDJ> mosgalin: honestly, I you want to play with the java enterprise stuff, you should do that on SXCE or solaris10
[15:35:06] <evocallaghan> Does the tarball have the patches already built in ?
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[15:35:22] <codestr0m> evocallaghan:  http://www.codestrom.com/wandering/2008/10/patchadd-fix-ho.html
[15:35:28] <mosgalin> well i just wanted to play with them, expecting to reinstall it on solaris10 or something later
[15:35:28] <evocallaghan> even if it did, you still need to reinstall SS after a new patch comes out
[15:35:32] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: all the patches you need to build opensolaris
[15:35:57] <evocallaghan> I don't care man. I want back to SXCE as it *works* and works well
[15:36:16] <evocallaghan> The amount of times osol got in my _way_ ..
[15:36:20] <mosgalin> and opensolaris gives me more comfort, since i can use gnu tools and everything else
[15:36:23] <odix67> <<--- is a little bit lost with my SXCE boot problem after enabling NWAM
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[15:37:56] <oxygene> mosgalin: you can use gnu tools on proper solaris as well.
[15:39:02] <CosmicDJ> odix67: http://www.bigfatgeek.net/bfg/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/manpage_nwamd.png
[15:39:37] <mosgalin> i'll try rebooting the system. who knows, it might start working :-P
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[15:41:00] <odix67> CosmicDJ: thx, but the problem is the system hangs on boot, and if I go into failsafe mode svcadm can't connect to his daemon
[15:41:09] <twisti> This Evolution drives me crazy.
[15:41:18] <odix67> so I'm not able to disable it
[15:41:50] <CosmicDJ> odix67: did you try booting into singleuser mode?
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[15:42:30] <odix67> how can i do that
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[15:43:10] <CosmicDJ> http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/boot_into_single_user_mode
[15:43:32] <robson> Hi all
[15:43:38] <robson> I'm running svn_79a
[15:43:53] <robson> How do I upgrade to the latest version of opensolaris?
[15:44:07] <_mary_kate_> robson: you're using SXCE?
[15:44:09] <odix67> CosmicDJ: thx, I will give this a try,
[15:44:28] <robson> _mary_kate_: don't know. How can I tell?
[15:44:33] <_mary_kate_> robson: cat /etc/release
[15:44:36] 
[15:45:10] <robson> _mary_kate_: I guess so
[15:45:18] <_mary_kate_> then use live upgrade
[15:45:21] <robson> It's Solaris Express Developer Edition
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[15:45:38] <robson> Do you have a link for the live upgrade documentation?
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[15:45:55] <_mary_kate_> http://docs.sun.com, it's part ofthe solaris documentation
[15:46:06] <Belgar> its also horribly slow at most times :/
[15:46:20] <robson> Thanks a lot
[15:46:43] <robson> Another question. Does anybody know the state of temperature sensors in opensolaris for intel boxes?
[15:46:54] <robson> I can't get the temperature of my motherboard or disks
[15:47:06] <Belgar> it might show up in prtdiag -v if its working
[15:47:13] <Belgar> standard i2c buses should work imho
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[15:47:40] <robson> It doesn't show up with prtdiag
[15:47:45] <CosmicDJ> Belgar: try ipmitool
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[15:48:10] <CosmicDJ> s/Belgar/robson/
[15:48:16] <Belgar> thats a good point
[15:48:18] <robson> CosmicDJ: What's the syntax?
[15:48:29] <CosmicDJ> robson: man ipmitool
[15:49:18] <robson> C'mon. I have no idea what kind of i2c command to send
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[15:49:56] <Belgar> umm, check the examples in the end of the man page?
[15:49:59] <CosmicDJ> me neither
[15:51:11] <robson> Could not open bmc device: No such file or directory
[15:52:16] <CosmicDJ> robson: and smbios?
[15:53:14] <robson> How do I load the bmc module?
[15:54:37] <robson> smbios shows me a lot of output. Anything specific I should look for?
[15:55:20] <Belgar> modload /platform/i86pc/kernel/drv/bmc, but if your system would have supported IPMI it would be loaded already
[15:56:34] <mosgalin> I rebooted, pkg still doesn't work
[15:56:51] <mosgalin> If I rollback rpool to snapshot "install", will I get clean system?
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[15:57:04] <Belgar> mosgalin; makes sence, does it complain on it being in use?
[15:57:26] <mosgalin> pkg? no, it still segfaults
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[15:58:33] <mosgalin> anyway, if I rollback to "install", will the contents of rpool/export/home and user's filesystems be rollbacked as well?
[16:05:09] <mosgalin> yay! I made zfs rollback rpool/ROOT/opensolaris@install and pkg now works :D
[16:05:27] <mosgalin> and my homedir still intact (just wasted time backing it up)
[16:05:47] <evocallaghan> glad to know that worked :D
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[16:11:29] <codestr0m> do those outside the firewall have access to this as well?  /ws/onnv-tools/SUNWspro/SS12
[16:12:07] <seanmcg> heh, codestr0m no..
[16:12:23] <codestr0m> had to ask ;)
[16:12:44] <seanmcg> theres a mail on the dev-tools from john beck saying that the compilers will be updated pretty soon on the webpages
[16:13:16] <codestr0m> seanmcg: yeah. I'm using patchadd to update a few things, but was curious
[16:14:27] <codestr0m> I really should inquire about my few asm bits and a couple other issues before the push a release.. maybe there's already a fix or it can be included
[16:14:47] <codestr0m> as stupid as it sounds.. I'd also like  a 64bit cc
[16:16:31] <seanmcg> codestr0m, 64bit cc.  Yes, eg compiling some spec benchmarks now needs quite a lot of memory
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[16:17:33] <codestr0m> seanmcg: I'm not sure if that was a joke, but I have other reasons
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[16:19:05] <seanmcg> no joke :)
[16:20:04] <codestr0m> so can you comment if 64bit cc will be on the list?
[16:20:24] <seanmcg> sorry, nothing to do with the compiler folks, no clue.
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[16:47:35] <_mary_kate_> does S10U6 include separate slogs?
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[16:51:00] <mosgalin> my pkg coredumps again..
[16:51:14] <codestr0m> mosgalin: did you install py25?
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[16:51:56] <mosgalin> now i know why it happens: after i install java enterprise system (only Sun Java System Message Queue 3.7 UR2 and "All Shared Components" from it actually), it breaks
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[16:52:20] <mosgalin> installation performs great, but looks like it destroys system a bit in process
[16:53:42] <mosgalin> I have made a snapshot just before pkg breaks. Is there any way of comparing snapshot to real fs, except for long recursive diff?
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[16:58:26] <mosgalin> that's an answer, i guess..
[16:59:29] <ky-san> a javifized libc?
[16:59:52] <mosgalin> no idea, really. why it even decides to touch system libc?
[17:01:10] <oxygene> it probably tried to install updates. after it found that you don't have the newest version in the database (because there's no entry at all in that db, because libc is managed by a different tool)
[17:01:14] <jbk> hmm could it be trying to blindly install an OS patch that's not relevant?
[17:02:27] <Berny> thats not the jes install itself... just one of the recommended/needed patches. which shouldn't get installed on opensolaris
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[17:02:47] <mosgalin> it also replaced libxml2.so in /usr/lib
[17:03:05] <_mary_kate_> JES on indiana?  heh, that's going to be fun
[17:03:23] <Berny> it really should only install that if you are on sol8/9/10 as there no patches to indiana
[17:04:08] <Berny> try to find out which of the patches it was and report it as broken
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[17:20:12] <mosgalin> how do I replace libc.so.1 file? Moving correct version from snapshot to /lib/libc.so.1 crashes the system, after hard reboot old version is there
[17:20:22] <codestr0m> *cough*
[17:20:30] <asyd> my you want to do such thing? ;p
[17:20:35] <mosgalin> renaming, like "mv libc.so_ libc.so.1; sync" prints mv: cannot move `libc.so_' to `libc.so.1': Device busy
[17:20:35] <codestr0m> that's a pretty import file...
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[17:20:40] <mosgalin> I know ;))
[17:20:45] <asyd> ahah
[17:20:51] <mosgalin> but hey, I did this on linux a few time without problems
[17:21:04] <codestr0m> mosgalin: you can *maybe* cp a file on top of it and reboot
[17:21:19] <asyd> you even you should remove it, libc is useless
[17:21:20] <codestr0m> otherwise livecd and screw with it that way
[17:21:23] <mosgalin> system breaks instantly, after reboot old version is there
[17:21:48] <oxygene> libc is sometimes mounted at that location
[17:21:49] <mosgalin> well that stupid java enterprise system somehow managed to replace libc to broken one
[17:21:52] <codestr0m> anyway.. you can just rm it.. the new 64bit version is *much* better
[17:21:53] <oxygene> in that case, moving doesn't work
[17:21:57] <mosgalin> without even reboot
[17:22:00] <mosgalin> hmm
[17:22:05] <codestr0m> mosgalin: just install IcedTea
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[17:22:21] <codestr0m> twisti recently ported it.. solves all stupid java problems ;) <teasing />
[17:23:10] <mosgalin> I don't need java.. I need Sun Java System Message Queue, Sun Web Server 7.0 and Sun Access Manager 7.1, which are parts of Java enterprise system
[17:23:19] <mosgalin> system jre is perfectly fine
[17:23:41] <mosgalin> and please don't suggest replacing web server with apache httpd  ;)
[17:23:58] <codestr0m> how about nginx?
[17:24:11] <Berny> mosgalin, take my advice don't use jes on sxce or opensolaris anyway... if you want to play with it do it on sol10...
[17:24:17] <codestr0m> there's also that cherokee thing they are pushing.. the boat name. I forget it now
[17:24:54] <Berny> mosgalin, it shouldn't install on an unsupported os version anyway
[17:24:54] <mosgalin> i can't remove 32-bit libc even for a sec, since there isn't 64-bit cp or mv. only ls, which i useless
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[17:25:14] <e^ipi> codestr0m, who's pushing cherokee ?
[17:25:15] <mosgalin> well.. it doesn't seem to care. And according to google, people managed to do this..
[17:25:40] <codestr0m> e^ipi: http://www.aulaunix.org/cayac/install.html
[17:25:48] <mosgalin> honestly i don't even want to touch sol10 right now because it doesn't support zfs
[17:25:57] <mosgalin> zfs rpool, that is
[17:26:14] <Berny> mosgalin, *IF* there are people who managed to do this they didn't try to install os patches and surely had to hack a few places
[17:26:15] <twisti> codestr0m, :)
[17:26:19] <twisti> codestr0m, But 64-bit is still missing.
[17:26:23] <e^ipi> codestr0m, i know what it is, but aside from alvaro ortega, nobody's pushing it
[17:26:26] <mosgalin> and here I can just make a snapshot before and after component installation and observe the difference
[17:26:35] * twisti can't remember what the problem was
[17:26:46] <codestr0m> e^ipi: I just saw a request on webstack about it
[17:26:46] <Berny> mosgalin, give it 2 weeks or so 10U6 with zfs root is aboput to come by the end of october
[17:27:02] <codestr0m> twisti: no 64bit version? I thought that's what you got served the other day?
[17:27:11] <Berny> mosgalin, make /opt an zfs dataset and install there
[17:27:13] <twisti> No.
[17:27:26] <Berny> or /opt/SUNWwebserv7 even
[17:27:38] <twisti> codestr0m, Let's give it another try...
[17:27:54] <Berny> and DO NOT tell the installer to install all things that need an update :-)
[17:27:59] <mosgalin> 10U6 will use zfs root right from installation? no hacks to migrate to it?
[17:28:13] <Berny> mosgalin, fresh install to ufs or zfs
[17:28:29] <Berny> mogration ufs->zfs via liveupgrade
[17:29:02] <mosgalin> thanks for the information
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[17:29:37] <mosgalin> but aren't there chances that it'll break libc on 10U6 too?
[17:29:58] <oxygene> mosgalin: 10u6 will have a properly filled database about patches integrated into the system
[17:30:05] <mosgalin> because it wasn't tested on newer systems than U4 or U5, and look at result..
[17:30:18] <oxygene> whereas indiana has no notion of "patches"
[17:30:35] <mosgalin> i.e. this installer uses system way to check and install patches?
[17:30:52] <oxygene> I hope it does
[17:31:00] <oxygene> would be stupid, if not
[17:31:16] <Berny> mosgalin, the problem is indiana doesn't have any patches so brutally installing a patch from another os release will break things
[17:31:17] <oxygene> just that the indiana people were so stupid to remove the system facilities for patching
[17:31:27] <e^ipi> oxygene, no, but IIRC it does have tags, and it will also have a 'sustaining' repository
[17:31:55] <oxygene> e^ipi: true, it's alpha quality software, maybe they manage to fix it
[17:31:55] <Berny> on 10U6 the installer wouldn't attempt to install the patch, because you are on a higher patch rev already
[17:33:43] <mosgalin> So, from what I understood - if I install U5 right now, upgrading to U6 and converting root to zfs should be possible and not that hard?
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[17:33:56] <Macabee> i thought when you update from a Ux to Uy it removed ALL patches first (at least it did for U4 -> U5)
[17:34:06] <Macabee> the installer certainly says it does
[17:34:11] <codestr0m> hours and hours of fun.. all you guys and your patches ;)
[17:34:13] <oxygene> mosgalin: for converting to zfs, you likely need an extra disk
[17:34:46] <mosgalin> remove patches? what'll happen to installed products which rely on patches? directory server, communication suite etc
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[17:35:19] <Macabee> mosgalin: liveupgrade upgrades a 'copy' of the system - so nothing is running at that point
[17:35:38] <Berny> mosgalin, an update should accumulate all patches so far so no need for the old patches anyway :-)
[17:35:43] <Macabee> and as U6 will have the patches
[17:35:57] <Macabee> (built into it)
[17:36:00] <Macabee> as Berny said :)
[17:36:23] <Macabee> the only ones that usually aren't are the odd Java patch (at least that was the case from U4 -> U5)
[17:36:40] <Berny> product patches stay installed
[17:36:48] <Macabee> yes
[17:36:48] <Berny> they should anyway
[17:36:52] <Macabee> its OS patches that don't
[17:37:36] <Macabee> tis all very easy
[17:38:31] <mosgalin> is there easier way? like installing pre-release of U6, get zfs root and install patches to get to U6 after release
[17:38:45] <mosgalin> or solaris has no betas/prereleases
[17:39:11] <Macabee> i've never had a problem with liveuprade yet to be honest
[17:39:22] <Macabee> even when its gone wrong - you can easily go back
[17:39:47] <Macabee> just test in a virtual machine to get familiar with the process
[17:40:41] <Berny> mosgalin, you can become a member of an early access programme to get betas but that sure would take longer than wait the 2 weeks ;-)
[17:41:23] <oxygene> and I'm not sure these people get updates to regular versions
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[17:43:45] <mosgalin> ok many thanks for you patience! started downloading sol10 5/08
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[17:46:04] <twisti> Hmm, the system monitor applet does not show disk usage anymore.
[17:46:21] <Berny> twisti, you sure you still have a running disk?
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[18:06:53] <twisti> Berny, Very sure :)
[18:07:01] <twisti> I have just one ;)
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[18:18:29] <Berny> twisti, you know there are two kinds of disks
[18:22:13] <Berny> those that already failed and those about to fail :-)
[18:22:13] <twisti> Haha.
[18:22:13] <evocallaghan> haha, that should be added to the zpool manpage
[18:22:13] <Berny> it's an old wisdom
[18:22:13] <Berny> just like there is only one thing certain about hard disks
[18:22:13] <Berny> they will fail!
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[18:22:16] <Berny> anyway i should get a drink and get pissed
[18:22:55] <evocallaghan> Has anyone tried to boot solaris up on these VIA nano chips yet ?
[18:23:07] <evocallaghan> .1 of a watt for 1.6GHz !!!
[18:23:11] <evocallaghan> Amazing
[18:23:53] <norman> High clock isn't everything.
[18:24:00] <Macabee> indeed
[18:24:59] <oxygene> evocallaghan: didn't get my hands onto a nano. solaris on via c3 works good (with enough ram), however
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[18:28:05] <evocallaghan> How much RAM ?
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[18:28:30] <evocallaghan> norman:Macabee: You missed the point about .1 of a watt
[18:29:04] <evocallaghan> http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/processors/nano/ FYI
[18:29:07] <oxygene> evocallaghan: 512mb was barely enough, 1gb should be okay (ask me again in a month or so)
[18:29:22] <evocallaghan> oh yea, for sure
[18:29:29] <evocallaghan> I was thinkging more like 2gb
[18:29:36] <oxygene> evocallaghan: problem on my board was that it's limited to 1gb
[18:29:50] <evocallaghan> yea, them seem that way
[18:30:04] <evocallaghan> But maybe you can install CoreBoot on it ?
[18:30:06] <norman> But  that's idle power evocallaghan
[18:30:11] <evocallaghan> May remove the limit
[18:30:20] <oxygene> evocallaghan: that won't magically create another slot ;)
[18:30:34] <evocallaghan> norman:read the white papers
[18:30:50] <evocallaghan> Its dam amazing chip for a x86 on 65nm
[18:31:12] <evocallaghan> oxygene:I am sure you can get a 2gb module
[18:31:35] <oxygene> evocallaghan: 2gb modules have two ranks. I think it's actually a chipset limitation on my board
[18:31:43] <evocallaghan> 5w peak is nuts
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[18:32:19] <evocallaghan> Got any photos ?
[18:32:27] <evocallaghan> Run ZFS on it ?
[18:33:03] <oxygene> I'll reinstall solaris next month, after 10u6 came out. right now, there's openbsd on it (for various reasons)
[18:34:12] <twisti> codestr0m, I still have this timeout issues... hmpf.
[18:34:16] <evocallaghan> oh rigth
[18:34:32] <evocallaghan> put sxce on it though
[18:34:42] <evocallaghan> oh my god, is that the time
[18:34:47] * evocallaghan runs off to bed
[18:34:50] <evocallaghan> Nigth all
[18:34:53] * evocallaghan &
[18:36:35] <norman> they didn't upgrade their padlock engine :|
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[20:26:26] <pumpkin> someone told me having a power of two devices in my raidz would improve performance
[20:28:49] <CosmicDJ> pumpkin: http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide
[20:29:28] <pumpkin> hmm, none of their configuration examples use a power of two
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[20:31:40] <e^ipi> for best performance use as many spindles as possible
[20:32:27] <pumpkin> I was thinking of doing a 3+1 raidz, but someone in #zfs suggested making that a 4+1 as it somehow can use shifts instead of divides (??)
[20:32:56] <e^ipi> 9 spindles will be faster than 8
[20:33:01] <pumpkin> well yeah
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[20:35:08] <Ouroboro> morning
[20:35:34] <Ouroboro> is there some sort of ETA on the SXCE 99 DVD release?
[20:35:35] <e^ipi> 4+1 will be faster than 3+1 because you add an extra spindle, not because of any shift/divide voodoo that i've never heard of
[20:35:48] <e^ipi> i'm welcome to the possibility that i'm wrong, but it sounds like a whole lot of silly conjecture to me
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[20:36:03] <pumpkin> e^ipi: aha, that's what I thought, thanks
[20:36:26] <jbk> well i think there's something to even vs odd # of drives
[20:36:37] <pumpkin> but in that case my 3+1 is even
[20:36:40] <pumpkin> and 4+1 is odd
[20:36:54] <pumpkin> unless odd is somehow faster
[20:37:14] <jbk> it probably depends on single vs dual parity
[20:37:29] <Ouroboro> wasnt there something about primary numbers?
[20:37:34] <pumpkin> :o
[20:37:38] <Ouroboro> or relatively prime
[20:37:46] <pumpkin> o.O
[20:38:01] <holcomb> raidz works best with a number of disks that's in the fibonocci sequence
[20:38:07] <pumpkin> lol
[20:38:09] <holcomb> 0 1 1 2 3 5 8 etc
[20:38:20] <e^ipi> Ouroboro, yes, also you create it on a date and time that when added are divisible by 42
[20:38:54] <pumpkin> holcomb: I would think it's all integer powers of the fibonacci sequence, times an odd prime?
[20:39:00] <pumpkin> that would make most sense to me, anyway
[20:39:01] <Ouroboro> holcomb: raidz-2 works best with a mandelbrot sequence, guess the seed
[20:39:02] <e^ipi> and if you have insence burning such that the smoke gets sucked in to the disk, it makes it even faster
[20:39:35] <vmlemon_> Oh, don't forget go-faster stripe case stickers!
[20:39:37] <pumpkin> I have a complex number of disks
[20:39:43] <pumpkin> 3+4i disks
[20:39:47] <vmlemon_> They give a significant performance improvement ;)
[20:39:52] <holcomb> zpool create data Esub8
[20:40:03] <Ouroboro> holcomb: you win
[20:40:25] <holcomb> never got far enough to figure out what a Lie group is...
[20:40:36] <pumpkin> you should know how it's pronounced though
[20:40:49] <Ouroboro> pumpkin: yes, because its all a huge lie
[20:40:56] <pumpkin> it's pronounced lee :P
[20:41:19] <Asako> fibonocci, is that true?
[20:41:23] <Ouroboro> so anyway, any chance of an snv_100 DVD today?
[20:41:37] <pumpkin> Asako: nope that's ridiculous, it's an integer power of a fibonacci times an odd prime
[20:41:51] <Asako> heh
[20:41:52] <e^ipi> pumpkin, heh
[20:41:56] <Asako> I just use mirroring
[20:41:58] <pumpkin> heh
[20:42:11] * e^ipi wonders how you get the imaginary part of a disk
[20:42:26] <Asako> I set up a zone running cpanel
[20:42:35] <e^ipi> that sucks
[20:42:49] <Asako> could almost sell this stuff
[20:42:50] * e^ipi set up a few dozen zones /NOT/ running cpanel
[20:42:53] <Asako> lol
[20:43:02] <e^ipi> you probably could sell this stuff actually
[20:43:06] <Asako> I need a test environment any way
[20:43:18] <Asako> linux vpses using zones
[20:43:22] <e^ipi> buy a niagra ( $5000 ), rack it up ( $150/mo ), sell zones on it
[20:43:24] <Asako> or solaris
[20:43:36] <Asako> is that the 256 core one?
[20:43:57] <e^ipi> i'm talking about the 1U T1000
[20:44:00] <Asako> ah
[20:44:07] <e^ipi> which is what, 8 core x 4 threads = 32 hardware threads
[20:44:07] <Asako> we use virtuozzo
[20:44:19] <Asako> biggest issue is storage
[20:44:29] <blahee> $20/core? -> i take 10 ... now :)
[20:44:30] <e^ipi> x4500
[20:44:49] <Asako> $100 per month, per zone
[20:44:58] <Asako> not a bad deal
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[20:45:13] <Asako> just too bad you can't run centos 4 on them
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[20:45:21] <Ouroboro> ok i remembered waht i was talking about prime numbers
[20:45:30] <Ouroboro> it is for hashing to N banks
[20:45:35] <e^ipi> Asako, how is that bad?
[20:45:39] <e^ipi> i consider that a feature
[20:45:54] <Asako> most stuff needs cent 4 or 5 now
[20:46:24] <e^ipi> you're talking about the x4500?
[20:46:28] <e^ipi> or the niagra still?
[20:46:43] <Asako> no idea
[20:46:56] <Asako> I'm talking about any hardware running Opensolaris
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[20:47:16] <e^ipi> not sure why you'd bother with centos anything
[20:47:18] <Asako> but the docs say only centos 3 is supported as a branded zone
[20:47:30] <Ouroboro> later
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[20:47:35] <Asako> later
[20:48:49] <Asako> is there a way to see zone stats?
[20:49:32] <e^ipi> such as?
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[20:50:19] <Asako> like cpu use
[20:50:29] <CosmicDJ> man prstat
[20:51:37] <Asako> thanks
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[21:40:45] <martman> is it possible todo a more minimal install somehow? without x?
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[21:43:14] <CosmicDJ> solaris10/sxce?
[21:43:41] <martman> sun's release? isnt that always behind opensolaris?
[21:43:54] <martman> im knew to all of this...
[21:45:26] <CosmicDJ> then you shouldn't do that and just install everything; with todays 500GB+ HD's this shouldn't be problem...
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[21:55:09] <Doc> they make 500GB hard disks now? cool
[21:57:44] <e^ipi> welcome to 4 years ago?
[21:58:05] <jamesd> they even ship 1.5TB drives these days.
[21:59:17] <CIA-52> John Forte <John.Forte at Sun dot COM>: 6759681 new NWS packages in ON are malformed
[21:59:18] <e^ipi> didn't someone announce 2Tb drives recently?
[21:59:25] <e^ipi> not on market yet but coming v. soon
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[22:34:07] <Doc> but this is a sun channel - i bet they cost as much as a new car
[22:34:21] <Doc> (and i'm not talking about one of those Tata things either!)
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[22:39:17] <houst0n-> You can get a 1TB disk from ebuyer.co.uk for ~ 90 GBP - Of course server stuff from your vendors is going to cost probably a lot more =)
[22:41:24] <Macabee> houst0n-: just buy two
[22:41:26] <Macabee> zfs mirror them
[22:41:28] <Macabee> :)
[22:41:50] <Macabee> if you want to be paranoid - buy two from two different vendors to ensure they are different batches
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[22:42:08] <trygvis> how do I get a stacktrace from a vmcore file?
[22:43:30] <houst0n-> Yeah that's the plan, once I find the time .. I was considering just getting like 6 of em and creating enough storage for me for .. a long time =)
[22:44:05] <houst0n-> Everyone needs 4TD of redundant storage in their apartment :/
[22:44:09] <houst0n-> TD? err
[22:44:17] * houst0n- puts down the wine
[22:44:54] <CosmicDJ> trygvis: mdb + ":c" IIRC; you should also take a look at SolarisCAT
[22:45:10] <trygvis> oh? what is that?
[22:45:14] <trygvis> pcie_pci-5: PCI(-X) Express Fatal Error
[22:45:19] <Triskelios> trygvis: ::status and $<msgbuf in mdb
[22:45:30] <CosmicDJ> crashdump analysis tool or smth like that,
[22:45:46] <blahee> 4? I build 10TB raid for home use less than year ago and few weeks ago i did extend it to 20TB - there just isn't ever enought disk space :)
[22:45:52] <trygvis> seems like I have a fauly pci-e card
[22:45:55] <seanmcg> ::stack
[22:45:56] <Triskelios> I have a script that just runs the right commands after mdb $@ <<EOF
[22:46:15] <CosmicDJ> ah :c was "continue", right?
[22:49:26] <Macabee> to be honest, once i got past 1TB - i wanted redundant storage at home
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[22:49:36] <Macabee> why? simple - eggs, baskets - too much to lose in one go
[22:49:36] <Roly_> hello
[22:50:10] <Roly_> i need help with my wifi
[22:51:20] <CosmicDJ> Macabee: and now you have redundant storage?
[22:51:22] <dep> :c is indeed continue; Cosmic prolly meant $c
[22:51:32] <Macabee> CosmicDJ: only mirrored
[22:51:38] <Macabee> so not completely
[22:52:02] <houst0n-> blahee: That's massive !
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[22:52:13] <houst0n-> I don't think I'll need so much =)
[22:53:31] <CosmicDJ> dep: that could be...
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[23:11:31] <houst0n-> I am soooooo bored
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[23:22:12] <kim0> why!
[23:23:00] <houst0n-> why?
[23:23:43] <houst0n-> It's friday night, I should be out drinking until I can barely see .. Instead i'm sitting in my flat, alone, eating bagels and trying to find something to do
[23:23:52] <houst0n-> It's kinda boring :/
[23:24:59] <Sp0tter> i had an os drive, then 5 drives in raidZ.  os dies.  Can i just reinstall the os and remoubt the raidz?
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[23:25:05] <Sp0tter> or is there anything fancy to do with zfs
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[23:25:33] <seanmcg> houst0n-, cure for boredom:) pick one fix it, go pick another fix it, ... http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/search.do?process=1&category=&subcategory=&bugStatus=open&type=&keyword=oss-bite-size&maxResults=10&startIndex=1&sortBy=relevance
[23:25:35] <houst0n-> zpool import should work
[23:26:14] <houst0n-> Aha, well .. perhaps - I've been at work all day kinda tired =)
[23:27:27] <dep> step 1: install nexuiz, step 2: shoot people
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[23:29:45] <seanmcg> houst0n-, all those bagels no doubt :)
[23:30:03] <Sp0tter> houst0n-, k thanks
[23:30:10] <Sp0tter> should i unplug all the disks but the os one when i install?
[23:30:20] <Sp0tter> or will i see in setup which one is the new one easily
[23:30:26] <Sp0tter> i'm scared!
[23:32:59] <seanmcg> unplugem if your that scared.
[23:33:27] <houst0n-> Just unplug em mate, saves the risk
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[23:49:40] <Asako> do that all the time
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