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[00:50:59] <johannes> stupid Q: how do I update a specific package using the pkg tool or similar? image-update updates everything ...
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[00:56:23] <johannes> ah, by adding the version number ...
[01:15:26] <_mary_kate_> careful, installing just a single package from a newer build might not do what you want
[01:15:37] <_mary_kate_> (in a third-party repo it's probably fine)
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[01:40:30] <mikl_> How does the current OSOL (99) look stability-wise
[01:41:10] <e^ipi> probably more stable than other companies'/projects' actual "stable" releases
[01:41:27] <mikl_> yeah, okay
[01:41:49] <mikl_> last time I tried an image update, I had an unbootable system :(
[01:42:00] <mikl_> that was 97, I think
[01:42:46] <e^ipi> probably 83
[01:42:53] <e^ipi> and yes, that was an unfortunate bug in IPS
[01:43:18] <ingenthr> mikl_: i'm running into a problem right now, seems to be grub related.... there's a known workaround but we're trying to diagnose why it's ended up where it has
[01:43:53] <mikl_> e^ipi: yeah, well, that's what happens in software development
[01:44:05] <ingenthr> mikl_: there are three known instances of people running into this problem... but others who are updating just fine
[01:44:23] <mikl_> ingenthr: right, I think I'll take my chances :)
[01:45:43] <ingenthr> mikl_: I'd say wait a day or so and see if we early adopters uncover any issues for you, but i may not have visibility into how many others are having similar issues
[01:46:12] <ingenthr> mickl_: my system is booting (from media) just fine, so i know it won't be a brick, just may require some manual intervention
[01:46:40] <mikl_> yeah, okay
[01:47:22] <mikl_> I have a really hard time not upgrading stuff. I used Gentoo Linux for almost 2 years, and it was always the same
[01:47:36] <mikl_> just gotta have the newest version?
[01:47:42] <ingenthr> well, we're only 30 hours or so into b99 being available
[01:47:56] <mikl_> I managed to quit, however :)
[01:48:02] <ingenthr> give it 14 more?  ;)
[01:48:33] <mikl_> when I figured out I'd have 7 hours more spare time for other things, if I didn't spend so much time tweaking my distro ;)
[01:48:50] <mikl_> 7 more hours each week
[01:49:39] <ingenthr> i told my laptop to update over lunch-- i still think it was a good idea, but it looks like i ended up being one of the randomly unlucky ones
[01:49:58] <ingenthr> and since it was grub, there was no "just select the previous image".... at least not manually
[01:50:08] <ingenthr> er, from a menu i should say
[01:51:23] <mikl_> I really like the Solaris concept of a global system version
[01:51:34] <mikl_> even between releases
[01:52:26] <mikl_> that make it all more cohesive. Instead of all the this package depends on libxyz-5.11.53.75.54.24 which depends on?
[01:52:30] <mikl_> cirkus
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[01:59:26] <CIA-52> Dana Myers <Dana.Myers at Sun dot COM>: 6464695 acpica: update to Intel ACPI CA 20080829, 6747548 acpica: must check size of buffers returned from AcpiEvaluateObject()
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[02:37:16] <ndgophone> I'm trying to install OpenSolaris but the installer isn't finding the disks. This is an old Sun Fire V20z server. It has two 136GB disks.
[02:38:59] <ndgophone> for whatever reason it's not finding the hard drive, when I boot it up I see the disks are being detected before the live cd is booted into
[02:40:10] <ndgophone> i think it's because SCSI isn't enabled
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[02:47:48] <coffman> ndgophone: i would look for obp updates
[02:48:37] <e^ipi> v20z is opteron
[02:48:44] <coffman> o0
[02:48:49] <coffman> nvm
[02:49:38] <coffman> lala
[02:50:42] <coffman> thats why i had package managers, dependencies are such a huge fuck up
[02:50:46] <ndgophone> I just looked at the BIOS and large disk access support was set to DOS mode...
[02:50:48] <jbk> evening
[02:50:57] <coffman> i wonder who did this at opensolaris 2xxx.xx
[02:56:33] <ndgophone> How long is the "Finding Disks" step supposed to take
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[02:57:21] <ndgophone> THe disks are still not being found. OpenSolaris install CD thinks I'm using IDE but I'm using SCSI
[02:57:27] <coffman> ndgophone: dependes, on how controllers, disks etc
[02:57:57] <_mary_kate_> V20z is mpt, the driver probably isn't included?
[02:58:10] <ndgophone> The driver is there, I see it loaded.
[02:58:24] <ndgophone> It loaded the controller driver
[02:58:44] <ndgophone> But the installer isn't finding the disks attached to the controller
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[02:59:22] <CIA-52> John Forte <John.Forte at Sun dot COM>: 6759921 usr/src/common/cmdparse.po need only be generated from 1 directory, 6759927 usr/src/uts/intel/nskern/nsc_asm.s should not generate its own assym.h
[03:00:38] <ndgophone> The CDROM is IDE and the disks are SCSI
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[03:04:19] <ndgophone> How can I fix it so it sees the disks?
[03:05:17] <ndgophone> A Solaris 9 CD found the disks, but I obviously don't want to install Solaris 9 because it's old.
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[03:16:32] <ndgophone> it looks like something called mpxio is disabled by default on the install cd
[03:16:41] <ndgophone> maybe that's why it doesn't find the disks?
[03:19:32] <ndgophone> the disks are definitely there, cause I see them in cfgadm and format
[03:22:08] <coffman> nice
[03:22:21] <coffman> firefox coredumpt with 1.6gb
[03:22:25] <coffman> new record
[03:22:58] <ndgophone> The cfgadm and format command find the disks instantly. Why is the installer taking forever?!?
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[03:27:12] <ndgophone> Nice formatting the disk is going to take 3 hours haha.
[03:28:28] <e^ipi> zfs can be laid out on a disk in milliseconds
[03:28:50] <ndgophone> I'm not putting zfs on the disk. I'm formatting it.
[03:29:12] <e^ipi> i know that
[03:29:19] <e^ipi> i'm just saying...
[03:29:28] <ndgophone> I don't know what's going on
[03:30:39] <freetown> caiman needs more work?
[03:30:53] <e^ipi> are you offering?
[03:31:17] <tsoome> formatting? with format? why the hell u need to do that?
[03:33:06] <freetown> e^ipi: just answering ndgophone wondering
[03:33:22] <e^ipi> he's installing oldass solaris
[03:33:37] <freetown> huh? i thought he said opensolaris?
[03:33:47] <benley> solaris negative-three
[03:34:09] <Plazma> sunos 4.1.4
[03:34:14] <Plazma> we have a sparcstation 20 at work running that
[03:34:16] <Plazma> its a NIS slave
[03:34:23] <Plazma> and i think has a fortran 77 license on it
[03:34:25] <Plazma> or something
[03:34:31] <Plazma> and the old sun c compiler licenses
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[03:35:03] <alanc> I don't know if there's any machines at Sun still running 4.1.4
[03:35:18] <alanc> (or 4.1.anything)
[03:35:22] <ndgophone> It's too late I'm already formatting it
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[03:36:18] <alanc> not that 4.1.x could run on a V20z
[03:36:29] <ndgophone> I'm trying to install OpenSolaris
[03:36:41] <freetown> ndgophone: i'm sure the opensolaris installer would be happy to blow away your ufs slice
[03:36:45] <Plazma> god i have 2 x v20z at work
[03:36:49] <Plazma> not sun's proudest moment
[03:37:16] <ndgophone> It's not working freetown
[03:37:39] <freetown> ndgophone: not after you manually ran cfgadm?
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[03:38:19] <freetown> oh...you see them...so you did not have to do attach them...okay..no idea
[03:38:19] <ndgophone> well, i can't check if it's working until this format finishes.........
[03:38:29] <Plazma> oh well, they go back to the lendor in march.. and i get to move the applicatinos to a 64 node cluster :D
[03:38:48] <ndgophone> Plazma what are you using the v20z for
[03:39:04] <Plazma> thermal diagnostic software and configuration management
[03:39:15] <ndgophone> sounds technological
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[03:41:50] <ndgophone> why did i run the format command...
[03:42:00] <ndgophone> this is such a huge waste of time -_-
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[03:42:38] <freetown> ndgophone: it's not healthy airing your thoughts
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[04:15:29] <ZOP> Plazma: whats you gripe against the v20z? :)
[04:16:24] <Plazma> don't get me started
[04:16:36] <Plazma> for what they are, their slooow, and their really odd when you recover them
[04:17:03] <benley> also, they are loud as hell
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[04:48:21] <coffman> yeah nice
[04:48:37] <coffman> new foxmark version coredumps firefox on solaris
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[04:55:41] <the_unmaker> wow mccain did better
[04:55:45] <the_unmaker> anyone watch?
[04:59:24] <holcomb> what has mccain putback lately?
[04:59:41] <holcomb> someone with @ - kick?
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[05:06:06] <Plazma> he did marginally better, but nothing like he needed
[05:11:23] <pumpkin_> what's sad is that people still post comments like "John McCain is finally stepping up in a clear and compelling way. Obama is dancing around the questions with less substance than usual."
[05:11:36] <pumpkin_> did whoever wrote that see the same debate I did?
[05:11:42] <Plazma> im on a fence on the whole thing
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[05:14:24] <anomaly> is a 1.8ghz/768mb ram fair enough?
[05:14:28] <anomaly> :)
[05:14:51] <Plazma> that was random
[05:15:13] <anomaly> in the spirit of not asking to ask, just asking.. :)
[05:15:31] <Plazma> i wasn't even sure what you said was a question or a statement/fragment
[05:16:07] <anomaly> I apologize then... are those specs well enough to get OpenSolaris going? I discovered my test box (667mhz/384) was not quite up to par.
[05:16:27] <coffman> anomaly: well
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[05:16:34] <Plazma> when you download it , it has the system requirements for it
[05:16:40] <coffman> min spec for zfs is 1gb ram
[05:16:59] <coffman> i advice to get atleast 2gb
[05:17:07] <Plazma> yea, ram is cheap
[05:17:18] <coffman> and it likes 64bit a lot
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[05:18:17] <anomaly> ah, just looking to see how it runs.. not looking to invest in new hardware.. thank you, for the information :)
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[05:18:35] <Plazma> wierd..
[05:18:50] <Plazma> hmm
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[06:14:19] <ndgophone> Is it okay to interrupt the "Verifying media..." of the format command?
[06:14:22] <edgy> Hi, syslog.conf has a user.err line that records to /var/adm/messages. I added below it a user.debug /var/adm/messages and when testing this with logger -p user.debug mymessage nothing is sent to the file
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[06:53:17] <jbk> evening
[06:53:42] <jbk> edgy: make sure a tab is separating the sections of the line, not a space
[06:54:39] <codestr0m> good morning
[06:56:00] <freetown> ooh...i thought only sendmail cf rulesets had that tab separation requiement
[06:57:48] <jbk> i wonder if there's some reason (other than history) for the requirement
[06:58:01] <jbk> i.e. is there anything that would prevent someone from submitting a patch to fix it
[06:59:29] <edgy> jbk: I am already using tabs but I just found if I put the line in the beginning of the file instead of inside that ifdef('LOGHOST', ,           ) it works
[07:02:28] <edgy> jbk: thanks for the hint though I am now trying to figure out what would happen if I have conflicting rules ...
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[07:08:24] <edgy> it seems there is nothing called confliction here,  if two rules applied both would be executed and the message would be sent to both files. nice ;)
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[07:12:57] <Davilka|work> hi all!
[07:13:20] <freetown> hey Davilka|work!
[07:13:39] <freetown> got your Indiana installed on xen?
[07:14:37] <Davilka|work> freetown, yep, but not in pv mode
[07:15:36] <freetown> HVM worked didn't it? :D
[07:15:46] <Davilka|work> freetown, it did =)
[07:16:03] <Davilka|work> freetown, only with 1 vcpu =(
[07:16:09] <freetown> oh
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[07:16:36] * freetown wonders he should give centos xen a go again....
[07:17:18] <freetown> nah. So, how do you like running Indiana via Xen on your quad core box?
[07:17:37] <Davilka|work> and if u allocate cpu to vcpu on indy it fails with PF =(
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[07:18:27] <Davilka|work> i thought it would be better....
[07:19:10] <freetown> no comment
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[07:19:37] <Davilka|work> freetown, windows runs much better %)
[07:22:15] <freetown> Davilka|work: you are supposed to run other stuff on top of Indiana :P
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[07:40:10] <monzie> hello
[07:40:22] <monzie> I want to see the timeslider source code.. Hopefully do a KDE version of it.
[07:40:31] <monzie> Can someone tell me where to see the source code
[07:40:37] <ndgophone> hi
[07:40:38] <monzie> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/extras/time-slider/time-slider-0.1.0.tar.bz2 gives me the prebuilt binary!
[07:40:52] <ndgophone> i ran the format command
[07:40:56] <ndgophone> it's on the "verifying media" step
[07:41:04] <ndgophone> can i interrupt this without causing harm?
[07:41:10] <ndgophone> it's kinda taking a long time
[07:41:53] <jbk> why are you doing that?
[07:42:04] <ndgophone> i did it on accident and then i had to let it finish
[07:42:12] <ndgophone> can i stop it now?
[07:42:24] <jbk> the read only or the destructive one?
[07:42:29] <ndgophone> i think it's going to take like 6 hours to run
[07:42:39] <jbk> either way, you should be able to ctrl-c it
[07:42:46] <ndgophone> i'll just let it run
[07:42:51] <ndgophone> it's already been running for hours
[07:43:29] <ndgophone> it's 6551 and the drive is 139GB...how much longer do you think it will take?
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[07:58:25] <CosmicDJ> monzie: http://blogs.sun.com/erwann/
[08:05:06] <trochej> Coffee
[08:08:34] <CosmicDJ> look at the mpstat output... -> http://blogs.sun.com/sistare/entry/solaris_for_the_t5440
[08:09:02] <trochej> I don't need to look at mpstat top have coffee
[08:10:12] <CosmicDJ> aren't some vendors still licenensing per cpu? that should hurt on a t5440...
[08:10:33] <trochej> CosmicDJ: IIRC some version of this has Oracle
[08:11:11] <trochej> The perc cpu licencing
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[08:13:55] <jbk> trochej: there is a way to help with oracle licensing
[08:14:09] <jbk> you just need to know the magic words to say to your oracle sales rep
[08:14:19] <CosmicDJ> please? ;)
[08:14:25] <jbk> 'db/2'
[08:14:26] <jbk> :)
[08:14:29] <CosmicDJ> ah
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[08:14:56] <trochej> jbk: :)
[08:15:14] <trochej> jbk: I'm not responsible for buying here, I just happen to know,]
[08:15:23] <trochej> jbk: But thanks for the advice. :)
[08:15:32] <jbk> if only db/2 wouldn't pretend all the world's aix
[08:15:48] <jbk> you do not put everything under the sun in /etc/inittab
[08:17:42] <trochej> Expecially not under the Sun. :)
[08:19:10] <monzie> CosmicDJ: That has a link to binaries.. even the spec  file refers to the binaries..
[08:19:10] <jbk> heh
[08:19:28] <jbk> i once saw db/2 connect manage to lock up a cisco terminal server
[08:19:42] <jbk> the dba had left some 'extra' logging turned on
[08:19:54] <jbk> which filled up the filesystem where db/2 was installed
[08:20:12] <jbk> which caused db/2 to spam the console non-stop
[08:20:17] <jbk> to the point the console was useless
[08:20:19] <monzie> CosmicDJ: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/extras/time-slider/time-slider-0.1.0.tar.bz2 is the tarball that the spec file refers to.. it's the built binary
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[08:24:05] <tnelson> Hah, SQL Server 2005 > DB2 > Oracle.
[08:24:10] * tnelson stokes the fire.
[08:24:31] <freetown> Mysql > SQL Server 2005 > DB2 > Oracle
[08:24:39] * freetown adds more wood
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[08:25:01] <tnelson> Hey, at least you kept my ordering.
[08:25:36] <einand|fscons> Every Email In UK To Be Monitored http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/10/15/2222209.shtml
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[08:25:47] <freetown> BIG BROTHA!
[08:26:06] <einand|fscons> freetown: and we alldrady have that in sweden :(
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[08:26:37] <einand|fscons> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRA-law
[08:26:44] <freetown> ah well, I wonder what is done over the border that holds the Great Firewall
[08:27:28] <einand|fscons> in sweden FRA are connect to the node that directs all trafick in sweden
[08:28:21] <freetown> hey...was that the fault of the pirates?
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[09:07:52] <CosmicDJ> monzie: there's a "Where is the source ?" headline in the blog i mentioned earlier; the stuff there clearly looks like sourcecode
[09:10:30] <CosmicDJ> re eMail traffic monitored -> guys, time to use gnupg :)
[09:10:43] <CosmicDJ> I recommend the enigmail addon for thunderbird
[09:10:46] <monzie> CosmicDJ: nope!
[09:11:04] <monzie> CosmicDJ: I need to see the "nautlius-zfs.h" and "nautilus-zfs.c" files
[09:13:17] <CosmicDJ> monzie: then "The nautilus visualization patch for nautilus..." is what you want
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[09:16:54] <DTEIT> morning
[09:21:19] <trochej> 'lo
[09:21:21] <trochej> Coffee?
[09:21:34] <freetown> Beer!
[09:21:59] <tijo007> trochej: yep, no milk no suggar as usually :o))
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[09:23:11] <trochej> :)
[09:24:59] <xRaich[o]2x> trochej: yes please
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[09:59:29] <CIA-52> jiang wu - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Javen.Wu at Sun dot COM>: 6758167 fixing of CR6616427 used large static array as local variable which could cause stack overflow
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[10:07:07] <plavcik> hi, I have two network cards receiving IP via DHCP (dhcp.iprb0  dhcp.nge0), where I can learnt how to combine them into one network device with static IP ?
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[10:07:49] <CosmicDJ> plavcik: "Solaris Link Aggregation"
[10:08:08] <plavcik> thx
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[10:15:23] <plavcik> I'm trying to agregate two network card, I'm getting "link busy" if dladm create-aggr -d iprb0 -d nge0 1  is usued, Can I put this into config file and run reboot?
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[10:18:16] <CosmicDJ> plavcik: are they still configured and running via dhcp?
[10:19:04] <plavcik> yes, I'm connected via network
[10:19:28] <CosmicDJ> remote?
[10:19:46] <plavcik> fortuatelly not
[10:20:04] <plavcik> I see, I can do that from console
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[10:20:27] <tijo007> plavcik: both aggregated links have to be down, unplumbed, unused...
[10:20:29] <CosmicDJ> btw, which solaris "flavor" ?
[10:20:49] <plavcik> Navada99
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[10:21:03] <tijo007> plavcik: btw i'm not sure. it's what i remember last time i did something similar
[10:21:20] <plavcik> snv_99
[10:21:43] <CosmicDJ> plavcik: I'd start with backup up and removing /etc/dhcp.{iprb0,nge0}
[10:21:59] <CosmicDJ> backing
[10:22:30] <plavcik> backing?
[10:25:29] <CosmicDJ> backing up
[10:25:32] <CosmicDJ> backup
[10:25:34] <CosmicDJ> saving
[10:25:45] <CosmicDJ> just in case..
[10:26:08] <plavcik> thx, sorry I just not et that word
[10:26:47] <plavcik> done
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[10:38:48] <plavcik> CosmicDJ: I have also empty files hostname.iprb0  hostname.nge0, shall I remove them too? I expect, that I will end with some hostname.aggr1
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[10:47:52] <carl-> kern.warning] WARNING: NFSMAPID_DOMAIN does not match the server  ... im getting crazy from this
[10:48:17] <carl-> i have the same nfsmapiddomain on that host as all others and on the server in /etc/default/nfs
[10:48:28] <carl-> when i do domainname it spits out the same ..
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[10:49:06] <tsoome> you can check current domein from /var/run/... :)
[10:49:08] <carl-> i have remountede the share and restarted all nfs client services .. and i have a bunch of other hosts that work perfectly
[10:49:24] <tsoome> domain*
[10:49:57] <carl-> tsoome,  cat /var/run/nfs4_domain  .. like that
[10:50:03] <carl-> and it shows correctly
[10:50:04] <tsoome> yep
[10:50:14] <carl-> yes .. and it is the correct one
[10:50:17] <tsoome> byte-by-byte?
[10:50:33] <tsoome> i mean, if it complains, there must be an difference
[10:50:50] <carl-> yes .. there should be .. but it is not
[10:51:02] <tsoome> or maybe you have several servers and client is complaining about one specific?:)
[10:51:12] <tsoome> its not the same?
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[10:51:44] <carl-> aaah .. :) .. this specific one .. god damn .. it could be it
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[10:52:10] <tsoome> ;)
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[10:52:55] <carl-> tsoome, not that wasnt it
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[10:55:08] <carl-> could there be some other place where it could be cached or something
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[11:24:52] <CosmicDJ> plavcik: yes that shouldn't hurt, but I'm not sure if they need an "up" or if dladm does that automagically
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[11:28:10] <plavcik> CosmicDJ: ok, I will see, what dladm will do
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[11:34:58] <Macabee> if i have one disk in a mirror playing up and i want to take it out
[11:35:06] <Macabee> should i offline or detach?
[11:35:14] <Macabee> offline appears to say "no valid replicas"
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[11:45:34] <kim0> Um, isn't the JDK available from "pkg" tool under opensolaris ?!
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[11:48:31] <codestr0m> kim0: pkg search "*jdk*" will tell you what's installed.. if you're still missing bit add a -r for remote.. double check to see if you have SUNWj6rt already.. I forget if that's rt or full jdk
[11:49:19] <kim0> pkg search "*jdk*"        returns nothing
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[11:49:54] <kim0> trying with "-r" ...
[11:50:57] <kim0> hmm .. seems like nothing
[11:51:11] <kim0> _/usr/jdk exists .. but it seems to only include the jre
[11:51:20] <codestr0m> SUNWj6rt ?
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[11:51:33] <kim0> how do I check that sorry :)
[11:52:00] * kim0 is from penguin land
[11:52:19] <kim0> but that pkg name is "rt" .. so that's run time eh ?
[11:52:50] <codestr0m> kim0: I know you're from linux.
[11:52:56] <kim0> codestr0m: I have even installed "pkg-get" ... but it doesn't seem to have the JDK as well
[11:53:01] <codestr0m> kim0:  what I mean is try pkg install SUNWj6rt
[11:53:07] <kim0> codestr0m: how would you know
[11:53:17] <codestr0m> kim0: because you know enough to just be dangerous ;)
[11:53:21] <houst0n-> kim: pkg install SUNWj6dev
[11:53:25] <kim0> hehe
[11:53:29] <kim0> trying that ..
[11:53:29] <codestr0m> houst0n-: thanks
[11:53:52] <kim0> it's creating plan
[11:54:02] <kim0> Is that ... resolving dependencies :)
[11:54:24] <codestr0m> it's slow as dirt. and get in the habit of not installing as root.. use pfexec pkg..
[11:54:37] <houst0n-> kim0: Oh sod knows, I just went back to sxce last night personally... Opensolaris is good as a desktop but not for devel
[11:54:44] <houst0n-> Well, in c/c++ anyway, it'll be fine with java/php
[11:54:51] <codestr0m> houst0n-: I'm fixing that. or trying
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[11:54:58] <houst0n-> pkg seems a bit better these days
[11:55:07] <codestr0m> if you dare to update it :P
[11:55:12] <houst0n-> hehe
[11:55:17] <houst0n-> It works it works! don't touch anything!
[11:55:25] <kim0> well .... I am very interested how I should have found out about SUNWj6dev on my own ?
[11:55:32] <houst0n-> kim: Want to know how i did it?
[11:55:39] <kim0> yes please
[11:55:41] <codestr0m> houst0n-: you know twist got IcedTea to build
[11:55:52] <kim0> It's 147MB
[11:55:56] <houst0n-> kim0: I opened a new tab in firefox, went to pkg.opensolaris.org, pressed ctrl+f and typed j6
[11:55:58] <kim0> looks like JDK
[11:55:59] <houst0n-> :P
[11:56:05] <kim0> hehe
[11:56:09] <houst0n-> codestr0m: IcedTea?
[11:56:13] <kim0> no pkg list or pkg search
[11:56:18] <codestr0m> houst0n-: the openjdk
[11:56:24] <houst0n-> kim: pkg search -r javac would have worked
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[11:56:35] <kim0> okie
[11:56:37] <codestr0m> kim0: that's a bad habit.. get used to using pkg search. normally it wont' fail you :P
[11:56:57] <kim0> codestr0m: why doesn't it work this time  (without "-r" ) ?
[11:57:10] <houst0n-> codestr0m: Ah I'm not too up on my java stuff, I did some a very long time ago in college and havn't found a use for it since
[11:57:21] <houst0n-> I'm sure I'll have a reason to at some point in the future... Maybe
[11:57:22] <kim0> btw, is it ok to also use "pkg-get" besides pkg
[11:57:39] <houst0n-> kim0: Yeah I've used both, should be fine  - try blastwave's ips repo though
[11:57:40] <codestr0m> kim0: it should with the -r, but pipe it through more..
[11:57:54] <houst0n-> It's a little out of date afaik but there's lots of stuff there
[11:57:55] <codestr0m> kim0: I think pkg-get is something else.. never used it
[11:58:11] <houst0n-> pkg set-authority -H http://blastwave.network.com:10000 (I think?)
[11:58:17] <houst0n-> Something like that
[11:58:20] <kim0> kewl
[11:58:35] <codestr0m> kim0: it's good advice for when you first start to make things easy
[11:58:36] <houst0n-> check the man page for pkg it'll tell you how to add it to the list
[11:58:55] <houst0n-> codestr0m: pkg-get, blastwave .. ??
[11:58:55] <fraggeln> pkg will not be in sxce right?
[11:58:57] <codestr0m> , but you'll soon find you have 1G+ of duplicate stuff in /opt/ when all you needed was an mp3 player
[11:59:05] <houst0n-> fraggeln: oh god i hope not
[11:59:10] <plavcik> I need to stop my network device to aggregate te them, ifconfig dev down do not help, what next I can try?
[11:59:11] <houst0n-> I'll move to belenix
[11:59:11] <houst0n-> hehe
[11:59:12] <fraggeln> codestr0m: disk is cheap? :D
[11:59:31] <kim0> pkg set-authority -O http://pkg.sunfreeware.com:9000 sunfreeware
[11:59:33] <fraggeln> whats wrong with pkg?
[11:59:34] <kim0> hurray
[11:59:41] <codestr0m> fraggeln: yeah, but later when you start building your own stuff and you have -L -L -L -L for everything all over the place it's a pita
[11:59:45] <fraggeln> there is no package-system for sxce right?
[12:00:01] <codestr0m> fraggeln: that's how I would describe SVR4 ;)
[12:00:06] <houst0n-> fraggeln: Nothing, it's a great idea, BE's are great.. But well, it isn't finished yet imo
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[12:00:17] <fraggeln> codestr0m: im no code-monkey, im a basic user that runs some java guis and alot of terminals ;)
[12:00:34] <codestr0m> fraggeln: I plan to add maven integration  :)
[12:00:45] * codestr0m has to get back to work
[12:00:51] <houst0n-> I'm going for a smoke
[12:00:55] <houst0n-> Then... work perhaps
[12:01:15] <fraggeln> to bad 99 is so unstable and full of bugs :(
[12:01:19] <codestr0m> kim0: legacy_pkg legacy    SUNWj6dev                 pkg:/SUNWj6dev at 0 dot 5.11-0.96
[12:01:32] <fraggeln> snv_79a rocks :)
[12:01:37] <codestr0m> I don't know why they are calling is a legacy package
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[12:02:21] <evocallaghan> 101 should be stable again
[12:02:33] <houst0n-> I'm using 98 atm, firefox is dead in this build
[12:02:38] <houst0n-> the one from ftp.mozilla.org works ok though
[12:02:49] <kim0> codestr0m: wow ... "pkg" decided to die : ImportError: ld.so.1: python2.4: fatal: relocation error: file /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1: symbol MD5Init: referenced symbol not found
[12:02:49] <fraggeln> evocallaghan: release date? :D
[12:02:58] <houst0n-> fraggeln: 100 should be out on .. friday?
[12:03:03] <houst0n-> so two weeks after that
[12:03:22] <fraggeln> will 101 have the debug enabled in gnome? :)
[12:03:32] <seanmcg> nope
[12:03:40] <fraggeln> gr8
[12:03:44] * evocallaghan is really pissed off he is being forced to solve stupid linux distro bugs
[12:04:01] * fraggeln hides
[12:04:07] <evocallaghan> fraggeln:that is fixed in 100
[12:04:12] <houst0n-> evocallaghan: Forced? By whom?
[12:04:27] <evocallaghan> work ..
[12:04:43] <evocallaghan> runs a SME Linux server in production !
[12:04:44] <houst0n-> Blah, you think that's bad - I'm doing _WINDOWS_ stuff at the moment
[12:04:45] <fraggeln> evocallaghan: yea, but is 100 stable? :)
[12:04:50] <evocallaghan> That trun key thing
[12:04:54] <evocallaghan> s/turn
[12:04:55] <fraggeln> houst0n-: im sorry.. :/
[12:05:05] <houst0n-> hehe
[12:05:11] <plavcik> houst0n-: cand 99 be upgraded to 100 in a safe simple way?
[12:05:13] <houst0n-> IT's not so bad, fairly easy tbh
[12:05:15] <evocallaghan> Nar man. Windows is fine over this distro !
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[12:05:20] <houst0n-> plavcik: Yep, with liveupgrade
[12:05:30] <evocallaghan> There docs are built around bug reports !
[12:05:32] <evocallaghan> No joke
[12:05:36] <plavcik> houst0n-: thx
[12:05:47] <evocallaghan> They are like "please ref to this bug id to do that"
[12:06:27] <evocallaghan> The rest is forums crap
[12:06:49] * evocallaghan simply explodes
[12:07:07] <houst0n-> evocallaghan: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477454
[12:08:16] <houst0n-> ;) righto, bbl
[12:08:39] <evocallaghan> "Although this abuse is unfortunate, I fail to see what makes this bug release critical. "
[12:08:44] <evocallaghan> Haha goldern
[12:08:53] <evocallaghan> Best bug id all day. Thanks !
[12:09:51] <kim0> Can someone please help .. pkg is crashing with
[12:09:53] <kim0> ImportError: ld.so.1: python2.4: fatal: relocation error: file /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1: symbol MD5Init: referenced symbol not found
[12:12:00] <evocallaghan> kim0:snv version ?
[12:12:43] <kim0> 86
[12:12:46] <kim0> it was working fine
[12:12:56] <kim0> I just was trying to install JDK .. and now this
[12:13:01] <evocallaghan> 86 is way old !
[12:13:12] <evocallaghan> *very* broken too
[12:13:23] <evocallaghan> Please upgrade your ipkg
[12:13:27] <trochej> And soo April!
[12:13:28] <kim0> well ... we have some images that we use at work
[12:13:53] <kim0> how do I update this ipkg ?
[12:13:54] <evocallaghan> trochej:April Fools ;)
[12:13:57] <trochej> :)
[12:14:11] <kim0> now that pkg is broken
[12:14:12] <fraggeln> evocallaghan: is there any rel between 79a and 99 that is more stable ? :)
[12:14:23] <evocallaghan> kim0:pfexe pkg install ipkg-bla bla bla
[12:14:25] <trochej> fraggeln: 100. :)
[12:14:30] <fraggeln> trochej: its not out yet :(
[12:14:35] <kim0> evocallaghan: well pkg is not working anymore
[12:14:37] <evocallaghan> yea man
[12:14:40] <evocallaghan> Use LU
[12:14:41] <kim0> that's not good on any system!
[12:14:43] <Gekz> I stab you people at night!
[12:14:44] <evocallaghan> Its way better
[12:15:03] <trochej> fraggeln: If it was, I'd point you to 101. :)\
[12:15:28] <evocallaghan> Gekz:I bring death too, maybe we should meet up for a coffee
[12:15:40] <fraggeln> trochej: grrrr.... :D
[12:15:44] <trochej> :)
[12:15:46] <trochej> Coffee? :)
[12:15:52] <fraggeln> no thanks
[12:15:54] <evocallaghan> Yes please
[12:15:58] <fraggeln> Coke for me :)
[12:16:04] * fraggeln hands evocallaghan coffee
[12:16:10] <Gekz> evocallaghan: it always ends up with you bending over
[12:16:12] <Gekz> :/
[12:16:14] <evocallaghan> trochej:Your always so kind as to offer ;)
[12:17:04] <evocallaghan> Gekz:I told you about speaking your fantasies in public ;)
[12:17:13] <trochej> :)
[12:19:07] <xRaich[o]2x> hmmm coffee
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[12:19:57] <evocallaghan> kim0:pfexec pkg install SUNWipkg at 0 dot 5.11,5.11-0.99
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[12:20:20] <kim0> evocallaghan: well thanks ... but "pkg" does not work anymore
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[12:21:03] <evocallaghan> kim0:I can't help you. I went back to sxce after 98 becuase its crap
[12:21:26] <kim0> wow ... java and javac are all core dumping!
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[12:21:31] <trochej> evocallaghan: I broke my pkg just that way :/
[12:21:44] <mikefut> Hello
[12:21:57] <evocallaghan> And a person who I shall not name from Sun things his RFE for a graphics boot is more important then 2kernel panics and a broken device driver
[12:22:05] <xRaich[o]2x> hi mikefut
[12:22:10] <mikefut> is zfs send/recv compatible between sparc and x86?
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[12:22:19] <evocallaghan> yes
[12:22:32] <asyd> zfs is endian independant
[12:22:36] <mikefut> hmm... I'm getting strange result
[12:22:39] <fraggeln> evocallaghan: please code so i can shrink zfs-volumes :)
[12:23:11] <mikefut> just synced a compressed (i.e. compression=on) FS from SPARC to x86 (for backup)
[12:23:15] <evocallaghan> explain strange
[12:23:15] <asyd> shrink zfs-volumes? or pool?
[12:23:32] <evocallaghan> fraggeln:zfs internals is not my area, sorry
[12:23:47] <fraggeln> asyd: both.
[12:23:57] <evocallaghan> More interested in ext3 read-write support to help move Linux partitions over to zpools
[12:23:57] <mikefut> ls -la etc/services services on SPARC is "services -> ./inet/services"
[12:24:06] <asyd> what do you mean by shrink a dataset?!
[12:24:06] <kim0> trochej: what were u trying to do when pkg broke
[12:24:24] <asyd> (but shrinking a pool could be *very* nice:)
[12:24:30] <mikefut> but on x86 it's "services -> s/teni/.ervices"
[12:24:58] <Okona> shrinking a pool would be totally sweet
[12:25:08] <houst0n-> evocallaghan: ISn't that possible via FUSE?
[12:25:27] <_mary_kate_> i thought the FSWfsmisc package already had ext3 write support
[12:25:39] <xRaich[o]2x> evocallaghan: i agree with you that a grapical bootup is nonsense when the kernel panics on some chipsets
[12:25:54] <xRaich[o]2x> my hci bug also got removed from the blocker list
[12:26:01] <mikefut> zpool/zfs versions are same on both
[12:26:10] <trochej> kim0: I just installed new pkg version
[12:26:25] <xRaich[o]2x> which will keep a lot of notebooks from booting into the system
[12:26:37] <trochej> kim0: And then it just stopped working. :)
[12:26:52] <Bilel> hi
[12:26:56] <fraggeln> asyd: I have 6 iscsi-devices in one zpool with 4 diffrent zfs-filsystems, I want to remove one of the iscsi-devices.
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[12:28:34] <fraggeln> asyd: but its not possible to do that :)
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[12:29:09] <evocallaghan> xRaich[o]2x:Give me the bug id, I am putting it back !
[12:29:32] <evocallaghan> enough is enough !
[12:29:53] <asyd> fraggeln: indeed
[12:30:07] <xRaich[o]2x> i think it was 2553
[12:30:15] <evocallaghan> xRaich[o]2x:btw, use http://bugs.opensolaris.org/ instead
[12:30:21] <evocallaghan> Things get fixed then
[12:30:29] <fraggeln> asyd: a 75TB filesystem is not easy to handle :)
[12:30:46] <evocallaghan> Such as http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6757777 got fixed in the next build which I am happy about
[12:32:06] <sickness> well it would be nice to have 75Tb in the first place, let alone the filesystem =)
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[12:35:59] <fraggeln> sickness: thats only on one box, i think in our backupsystem we have like 225TB in total.
[12:36:26] <sickness> ok but is it on disks or tapes?
[12:36:31] <fraggeln> sickness: disks
[12:36:38] <sickness> omg, for TEH pr0n! =)
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[12:40:31] <fraggeln> sickness:     527 registered volume(s), 18 volumes are less than 80% full.
[12:40:32] <fraggeln>     528 TB estimated capacity, 11 TB remaining (98% full)
[12:40:32] <kim0> Assuming I start a new snv_86 VM. Is there a way to completely upgrade it to latest .. and reboot it ?
[12:40:36] <fraggeln> thats first library :D
[12:40:57] <_mary_kate_> kim0: what distribution of opensolaris are you using?
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[12:41:03] <fraggeln> 2nd library holds 240 tapes :)
[12:41:05] <sickness> fraggeln: nice, I'd fill all of that with pr0n >:P
[12:41:10] <sickness> heh
[12:41:17] <sickness> which type of tapes? lto3 ?
[12:41:17] <kim0> _mary_kate_: SunOS solbuild 5.11 snv_86 i86pc i386 i86pc
[12:41:25] <fraggeln> sickness: lto4
[12:41:25] <houst0n-> kim: You need to update ipkg first, use pkg list -av SUNWipkg to get a list of avail versions
[12:41:36] <_mary_kate_> kim0: that doesn't say what distribution you're using
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[12:41:44] <_mary_kate_> kim0: SXCE, 2008.05, ...
[12:41:47] <kim0> _mary_kate_: could you help me find that out
[12:41:56] <houst0n-> kim: Do you have a "pkg" command ?
[12:41:59] <kim0> yes
[12:42:03] <houst0n-> Ok it's opensolaris
[12:42:20] <kim0> so .. can I online upgrade it to latest ?
[12:42:59] <sickness> fraggeln: omg lto4 =)
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[12:43:44] <houst0n-> kim: See this: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=79172&tstart=0
[12:43:54] <houst0n-> kim0: That should help you upgrade to 99
[12:44:26] <houst0n-> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/image-update/ in particular
[12:44:43] <codestr0m> kim0: welcome to flag days :)
[12:45:01] <codestr0m> they are kind enough to not even provide an rss feed :)
[12:55:07] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: I'm building a *very* basic chroot.. do you have a ksh93 rc you can share that makes things a bit more sane? (tab completion at least ?)
[12:55:21] <codestr0m> I'm a little lazy to read the docs today and I know you've spent some time on it
[12:55:52] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: i don't have a fancy completion but if you want my rc just give me your mail address again
[12:56:45] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: in PM
[12:57:45] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: sent
[12:57:46] <codestr0m> so far I have pretty minimal stuff and it's up to 18M
[12:57:48] <codestr0m> thanks
[12:57:55] <codestr0m> I need to keep it under 40M :(
[12:59:37] <CIA-52> Philippe Jung <Philippe.Jung at Sun dot COM>: 6626918 A new (k)mdb command ::stackinfo, kernel thread stack usage
[12:59:38] <CIA-52> Darren Moffat <Darren.Moffat at Sun dot COM>: 6745000 cpupart_get_cpus() fails early in boot when called from kcf due to emxls loading sha1 module
[13:00:14] <codestr0m> http://blogs.sun.com/allanp/entry/sun_s_4_chip_cmt *cough*
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[13:11:00] <seanmcg> codestr0m, only a 4U box :)
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[13:24:13] <codestr0m> seanmcg: do you think that's good or bad?
[13:24:30] <codestr0m> I was thinking about something like this 4 months ago and wondered why it wasn't out there
[13:25:01] <codestr0m> I know some java apps which could use 512G of ram ;)  (which would be nice so it avoids the whole clustered jvm situation)
[13:25:08] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:I have a neat ksh93 rc
[13:25:14] <evocallaghan> Would you like it ?
[13:25:17] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: yes please
[13:25:33] <codestr0m> can you pastie or should I PM my email?
[13:25:34] <evocallaghan> 1sec
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[13:26:34] <codestr0m> for anyone awake, paying attention or caring.. I'm working on a solution to remotely change linux > Solaris and be able to use the whole disk :P
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[13:26:38] <evocallaghan> codestr0m: enjoy http://rafb.net/p/AdaMVD93.html
[13:26:46] <evocallaghan> Let me know if you improve it more
[13:27:33] <codestr0m> it's pretty spartan
[13:27:35] <seanmcg> codestr0m, good.. 256 'cpus' in a 4U box
[13:27:35] <codestr0m> :)
[13:28:15] <codestr0m> well. I think the built the box before the lint bug was found ;)
[13:28:27] <codestr0m> they were using it to test SS12 building O/N
[13:30:12] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:what do you mean ?
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[13:31:19] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: compile O/N using SS12 + lint turned on and with out the latest patches :P
[13:34:02] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:I mean your comment about my rc file
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[13:35:30] <codestr0m> http://rafb.net/p/CN6ZIR80.html
[13:35:55] <brian> hello I want to install OpenSolaris on a server. I used the livecd from the website, however it installs lots of software including Gnome desktop etc. I want to do a minimal install
[13:37:32] <codestr0m> brian: people are probably going to point you at sxce... alternatively you can look at svcs output.. turn off what you don't need
[13:38:00] <brian> what is sxce?
[13:38:02] <codestr0m> also be aware that in general os2008* may not be the best OS for a development server
[13:38:17] <codestr0m> solaris express community edition
[13:38:28] <brian> is sxce made for servers?
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[13:38:50] <brian> This wouldn't be the first time I downloaded the wrong OS while I was toying around.
[13:39:02] <codestr0m> brian: I've not used it and can't comment, but as much as I like IPS.. I'd not trust it in critical production yet
[13:39:17] <brian> How do I get Solaris 10?
[13:39:22] <codestr0m> brian: you downloaded a perfect OS for testing.. just be careful for production uses
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[13:39:35] <brian> Do I have to pay for that?
[13:39:44] <Kunalagon> hello, Is there any tutorial HOW TO SET UP X WINDOWS REMOTE CONNECTION, I want to enable remote deskotop...?
[13:40:03] <codestr0m> brian: all good questions.. I don't know, but the sun website should help.
[13:40:07] <brian> I only have a Solaris 9 CD.
[13:40:13] <brian> And that's really old
[13:40:16] <codestr0m> Kunalagon: you mean like ssh x forwarding?
[13:40:29] <CosmicDJ> brian: sun.com/solaris
[13:40:36] <codestr0m> brian: on the sun site I'm sure you can dl sol10 + update
[13:40:59] <brian> well obviously i'm not going to install solaris 9
[13:42:32] <brian> 10GB of free space for Solaris 10?
[13:44:05] <Kunalagon> when I try to connect to solaris machine only I get is some X widnows screen and nothing, there is no desktop or login screen, and is there anyway to set up that?
[13:44:55] <CosmicDJ> brian: you'll need 3GB if you install everything +OEM (x86)
[13:45:04] <brian> DO I need all 5 CDs?
[13:45:37] <CosmicDJ> no one DVD is enough ;)
[13:45:59] <evocallaghan> ta
[13:47:22] <CosmicDJ> Kunalagon: how do you connect?
[13:47:30] <brian> "Multi-language" Why no English only :(
[13:47:53] <Kunalagon> codestr0m , I am not sure, but I use XManager for MS Windows, that is client
[13:48:11] <Kunalagon> CosmicDJ I use Xmanager for MS Windows
[13:48:23] <plavcik> brian: I do not expect that other locales make big difference
[13:48:31] <e^ipi> brian: because that'd be arrogant and amerocentric
[13:48:38] <Kunalagon> and I can connet to certain machines, and I am able to see its desktop
[13:48:53] <kim0> I have a fresh snv_86 ... how do I upgrade that to latest (I only have remote ssh access) ?
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[13:49:21] <brian> sun isn't an arrogant company? :P
[13:49:49] <brian> after I download the 2GB DVD image victory will be mine
[13:49:50] <oxygene> sun isn't amerocentric, but definitely arrogant
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[13:50:15] <brian> then I'll decide I don't even want to use Solaris and I'll just end up installing OpenBSD or something -_-
[13:50:23] <CosmicDJ> kim0: liveupgrrade
[13:50:42] <codestr0m> brian: don't you love some of the attitudes around here..
[13:50:51] <kim0> CosmicDJ: thanks .. googling that
[13:51:03] <brian> codestr0m, I want to learn about Solaris
[13:51:11] <plavcik> brian: I'm using OpenBSD on most my machines, but trying OpenSolaris for ZFS
[13:51:18] <codestr0m> kim0: are you on os2008* if so.. man pkg.. you should see refresh and image-update in there
[13:51:23] <brian> Solaris 10 have ZFS too right?
[13:51:24] <kim0> CosmicDJ: that update is "remote" friendly ..
[13:51:27] <codestr0m> brian: I fully understand. I took the plunge as well
[13:51:32] <kim0> codestr0m: oh .. I am ...
[13:51:40] <kim0> codestr0m: image-update .. ok ...
[13:51:54] <kim0> codestr0m: so just: pkg update ; pkg image-update
[13:52:06] <kim0> codestr0m: Do I need to manually update this ipkg thing first ?
[13:52:09] <codestr0m> kim0: it's a test and I can't cheat to give you the answer.. ;)
[13:52:21] <kim0> what test ?
[13:52:26] <codestr0m> kim0: you'll need to refresh first though
[13:52:43] <kim0> ok .. do I need a newer "ipkg"
[13:52:57] <brian> Saving to: `sol-10-u5-ga-x86-dvd.iso?AuthParam=...&TicketId=....&GroupName=CDS&FilePath=%2FESD42%2Fsol10u5%2Fsol-10-u5-ga-x86-dvd.iso&File=sol-10-u5-ga-x86-dvd.iso'
[13:53:03] <brian> wget is stupid
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[13:53:15] <codestr0m> put "" around it
[13:53:18] <kim0> brian: that only happens with Sun downloads :)
[13:53:40] <brian> It's gonna take 2 hours for me to download this dvd image
[13:54:08] <Stric> brian: not sure that Suns web servers are sending the right information
[13:54:14] <brian> I should shut this extremely loud server off
[13:55:39] <brian> Considering I haven't shipped it off to a datacenter yet and it's sitting on the top shelf of my desk :D
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[13:57:28] <kim0> I wanna learn about opensolaris (not development use) .. You guys suggest I follow the 200X.X releases ?
[13:57:55] <brian> This DVD is going to take me so long to burn
[13:58:20] <e^ipi> brian: so download the 1CD and quit bitching
[13:58:21] <oxygene> brian: are you etching the pits by hand?
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[13:58:39] <brian> e^ipi, you need 5 CDs :(
[13:59:00] <e^ipi> for indiana? no you don't that's the point
[13:59:42] <codestr0m> e^ipi: he's going to run it as a production server
[13:59:48] <e^ipi> oh
[13:59:53] <e^ipi> okay, yeah then you should use S10
[13:59:57] <brian> I thought OS was ready for production but I was wrong :(
[14:00:07] <codestr0m> brian: I wouldn't say that. I say be careful
[14:00:18] <e^ipi> linux.com says it is *shrug*
[14:00:21] <brian> I'm never careful. Danger is my middle name!
[14:00:48] <e^ipi> they're used to OS's that even the "stable" version crater randomly though
[14:00:53] <brian> If you guys saw my setup you'd laugh probably.
[14:02:16] <oxygene> e^ipi: they probably didn't run indiana long enough to find the issues
[14:04:36] <brian> I'd probably go insane hearing the hum of servers in a DC.
[14:05:00] <e^ipi> oxygene: nah, IIRC they were just looking at it on a  desktop
[14:05:51] <oxygene> "oh, it runs. gnome, too. hardware mostly found. can't be too bad"
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[14:10:15] <brian> does the CIO of Sun really have a ponytail
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[14:10:43] <brian> http://www.1938media.com/steve-gillmor-interviews-jonathon-schwartz/ maybe you guys find that funny
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[14:11:47] <codestr0m> brian: before you get too far http://www.milax.org/?page_id=9
[14:11:50] <e^ipi> brian: CEO actually
[14:12:24] <brian> what is milax
[14:12:43] <oxygene> another opensolaris.org-based distro
[14:12:54] <brian> but you guys told me not to use OS
[14:13:21] <brian> and when people in a channel dedicated to OS tell you not to use it, that kinda makes you not want to use it
[14:13:29] <oxygene> there's a different between the opensolaris binary distro ("indiana" or "os2008.xx") and "opensolaris.org" (the project, and sources)
[14:13:36] <e^ipi> brian: you're what? a linux guy
[14:13:42] <brian> yes :(
[14:13:52] <e^ipi> let me make an analogy... opensolaris.org is like kernel.org... just code
[14:13:58] <e^ipi> opensolaris 2008.05 is like fedora
[14:14:07] <oxygene> more like ubuntu.. "the latest fad, absolutely unusable"
[14:14:14] <e^ipi> sure, whatever
[14:14:19] <brian> i hate both of them
[14:14:22] <brian> :(
[14:14:34] <e^ipi> Solaris10 is like RHEL or SuSE
[14:14:41] <e^ipi> the stable versions that you'd put in production
[14:15:20] <e^ipi> it's not a perfect analogy because SXCE is still experimental, but less so than 2008.05
[14:15:35] <e^ipi> but that's roughly how you can understand it
[14:15:43] <brian> i'm confused
[14:15:48] <brian> which milax livecd would i want
[14:15:53] <e^ipi> that was the opposite of what i was going for
[14:16:00] <e^ipi> milax is like damn-small-linux
[14:16:10] <e^ipi> it's an experiment to see how small you can get solaris
[14:16:44] <brian> so indiana is like archilnux
[14:16:50] <brian> it's a binary distribution
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[14:17:20] <e^ipi> yeah, whatever
[14:17:32] <brian> what is milax note
[14:17:34] <e^ipi> now you're just picking the analogy apart because you don't like fedora/ubuntu
[14:17:54] <e^ipi> milax ~= DSL
[14:18:01] <brian> and the server live cd for 0.3.2 is only for sparc
[14:18:13] <brian> I'm talking about a specific release of milax it's so confusing
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[14:18:38] <brian> when i install solaris10 i can choose which packages i want to install right?
[14:18:45] <e^ipi> yeah
[14:18:53] <brian> i'll just install that then
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[14:19:08] <RavenSlay3r> In Solaris (SXCE 94+) what is the prefered TeX/LaTeX editor/IDE?
[14:19:12] <RavenSlay3r> (and don't say VI)
[14:19:18] <seanmcg> vim
[14:19:23] <e^ipi> heh
[14:19:28] <brian> I was going to say vim
[14:19:31] <brian> :(
[14:19:45] <brian> Now I'll say emacs instead
[14:20:06] <oxygene> RavenSlay3r: whatever you can get to compile. texmacs works, for example
[14:20:46] <brian> I wish I had more bw.
[14:20:56] <RavenSlay3r> lol, I've still got the latex training-wheels on - was really liking KDE's "Kile" which is built on Kate/Kwrite which I love (for specific jobs) but I think the Kile package for blastwave/solaris is unmaintained
[14:21:00] <brian> i'm impatient. I want Solaris 10 NOW.
[14:21:33] <RavenSlay3r> Brian Solaris 10's been out ahile, you mean 11?
[14:21:38] <RavenSlay3r> *awhile
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[14:21:50] <brian> 11?
[14:22:10] <codestr0m> ouch *http://finance.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:JAVA*
[14:22:15] <e^ipi> RavenSlay3r: Sun has not released any supported operating environment under the Solaris11 moniker
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[14:23:18] <brian> So-lar-is
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[14:25:30] <evocallaghan> What are you guys going on about now ;)
[14:26:09] <Okona> looking at AAPL (-:
[14:26:17] <mmarschall> Hi, I'm just trying to get some zones installed on snv_99
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[14:27:08] <mmarschall> but I see some strange effects: The zones filesystem vanishes after zoneadm -z ... install but I can boot the zone
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[14:27:28] <mmarschall> after doing sys cfg, the filesystem shows up again...
[14:27:56] <mmarschall> very strange - this prevents me from putting my sysidcfg file into the zones root/etc dir before booting it :(
[14:28:17] <evocallaghan> pony tail that is open source !?
[14:28:34] <RavenSlay3r> e^ipi: I know that, but if your "waitng for the next solaris" that would be 11, as 11 is usually after 10 which came out in 2005; right or wrong? ;)
[14:28:44] <brian> evocallaghan, i like the videos they put out :P
[14:29:04] <evocallaghan> haha, just watching now
[14:29:10] * evocallaghan scratches head
[14:29:27] <Stric> RavenSlay3r: no, he was downloading the solaris 10 iso and wants it now instead of in a while..
[14:29:32] <brian> Sun's answer to their problems is open sourcing things.
[14:29:52] <evocallaghan> NT is a big hair ball
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[14:29:55] <brian> That video is making fun of them for not really having a business plan.
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[14:31:19] <e^ipi> brian: sure they do, commoditize storage and capitalize on it , in much the same way that Linux on x86 commoditized general server tasks in the late 90's
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[14:31:57] <brian> i don't really know much about sun but i thought the video was funny damnit :[
[14:32:29] <evocallaghan> I found a few secs funny
[14:32:31] <RavenSlay3r> Stric: ahh lol what I get for jumping in, in the middle
[14:32:34] <evocallaghan> Then it got old
[14:32:38] * RavenSlay3r apologies all
[14:32:58] <brian> evocallaghan, you're old!
[14:33:07] <evocallaghan> I am ?
[14:33:12] <evocallaghan> :(
[14:33:15] <brian> Maybe!
[14:33:19] <evocallaghan> 21
[14:33:25] <brian> ha! old!
[14:33:30] <brian> elderly if you ask me!
[14:33:44] <evocallaghan> Thus, your a smart ass kid.
[14:33:50] <brian> I'm 20
[14:34:00] <evocallaghan> Kids should be seen but not heard ;)
[14:34:14] <brian> Hey you're not that much older than me :(
[14:34:41] <evocallaghan> You can't change your words now !
[14:34:45] * brian throws old Solaris CDs from 1995 at evocallaghan
[14:34:58] <RavenSlay3r> which videos are we talkign about?
[14:35:48] * evocallaghan catches them with his superia and more skilled hands only to thow them back with more power !
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[14:36:58] * brian catches the cd in evocallaghan's computer CD tray and reformats evocallaghan's computer with Solaris 7
[14:37:36] <evocallaghan> I don't have it plugged in
[14:37:42] <brian> Don't lie
[14:37:45] <brian> You're on it right now
[14:37:45] <evocallaghan> To bad, you lose. Thanks for playing
[14:37:52] <brian> YOU CAN'T TRICK ME
[14:37:53] <evocallaghan> My CD drive
[14:37:54] <brian> :'(
[14:38:05] <evocallaghan> You sux !
[14:38:07] <evocallaghan> ahaha
[14:38:46] <brian> Everything I worked for is ruined.
[14:39:07] <evocallaghan> haha
[14:39:11] <evocallaghan> Fun fun
[14:39:19] <brian> I don't want to live anymore!
[14:39:35] * brian slits his wrists with old Solaris CDs.
[14:40:00] <evocallaghan> Next please!
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[14:43:03] <RavenSlay3r> evocallaghan: what video was that?
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[14:43:43] <evocallaghan> Look up ^
[14:43:47] <evocallaghan> As brian
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[14:43:53] <evocallaghan> s/Ask
[14:45:35] <RavenSlay3r> Yeah, i missed the beginning of the convo, brian what video - link me?
[14:45:58] <guru_> hellOo world
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[14:48:49] <evocallaghan> Night all
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[14:53:46] <rpage> good morning OpenSolaris, question why doesnt opensolaris 2008.05 comes with any compilers , i was trying to install synergy
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[14:53:57] <rpage> gcc,cc was not found
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[14:54:12] <e^ipi> because they're in the package repo
[14:54:16] <e^ipi> pkg install ss-dev
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[14:54:34] <RavenSlay3r> rpage i think synergy is in blastwave also
[14:54:35] <rpage> is pkg something like yum
[14:54:43] <e^ipi> or apt, or whatevr
[14:54:45] <RavenSlay3r> it's an older version but works for me with solaris/XP
[14:55:17] <rpage> ok i just grabbed the lastest from the synergy site so i compiling it
[14:55:20] <rpage> thanks guys
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[14:56:08] <rpage> where does pkg fetches its packages from
[14:56:35] <rpage> oh this rules, i luv opensolaris
[14:56:49] <rpage> will this be in solaris release 10/08
[14:57:18] <Stric> no
[14:58:06] <rpage> oh so i use a pkg to keep my packages up to date
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[14:58:40] <e^ipi> same as yum/apt
[14:59:53] <chrisg> rpage: aye, it gets it's packages from whatever authority is set
[14:59:54] <rpage> i dont see pkg update or pkg upgrade
[15:00:13] <chrisg> try "pkg authority" and by default it'll show opensolaris.org and the pkg url :)
[15:00:23] <rpage> ok
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[15:00:32] <chrisg> rpage: i think generally you'd do a image-update on a new bootimage
[15:00:39] <chrisg> and then boot that updated image once done
[15:00:51] <rpage> huh
[15:00:59] <chrisg> rpage: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/IPS/ggfwk.html
[15:01:02] <rpage> pkg image-update
[15:01:06] <DTEIT> re
[15:01:11] <chrisg> haev a look around there
[15:01:23] <rpage> ok,
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[15:02:13] <rpage> nah that is taking about updating your boot environment
[15:02:25] <rpage> i am just talking about the packages installed
[15:02:27] <e^ipi> the syntax is not equal, but it has a man page
[15:02:31] <e^ipi> you should read it.
[15:02:43] <e^ipi> all becomes clear when you RTFM
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[15:05:36] <codestr0m> e^ipi: this is not my place to say, but please watch how you reference others.. especially to newcomers and using abbreviations like RTFM
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[15:06:38] <e^ipi> oh  give me a break, everyone knows what it means and it's been in common use for decades now
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[15:06:58] <e^ipi> if you're still offended by it then get your panties out of a twist and welcome to the internet.
[15:07:01] <codestr0m> e^ipi: I will not give you a break. your tone is rude and turns many people off
[15:07:18] <oxygene> boohoo
[15:07:24] <loke> e^ipi: what expression are you guys talking about?
[15:07:28] <loke> (just curious)
[15:07:32] <codestr0m> this is not about me. this is about repeated complaints this channel is unfriendly.. if you don't want to help stfu :)
[15:07:37] <oxygene> loke: "read the fine manual"
[15:07:43] <loke> fine?
[15:07:45] <codestr0m> loke: he's just rude to newbies is the bottom line
[15:07:58] <loke> codestr0m: rtfm is a very good expression
[15:08:07] <loke> it expresses things very well methinks
[15:08:27] <e^ipi> no, i'm rude to people that are willfully clueless
[15:08:30] <oxygene> loke: most solaris manuals are _very_ fine. not sure, but it might be that the other meaning for the "f" only appeared with linux ;)
[15:08:32] <loke> codestr0m: if you want unfriendly to newbies, go to #java :-)
[15:08:37] <codestr0m> loke: I can agree with this sometimes..
[15:08:55] <Cyrille> or just plain #solaris, harshed crowd there.
[15:08:57] <loke> oxygene: I used the "fucking" meaning before Linux existed :-)
[15:08:57] <codestr0m> loke: oh sure. I /know/ predator
[15:08:58] <RavenSlay3r> codestr0m: i have to say i've found the channel very friendly and e^ipi has bailed me out countless times this summer - usually by pointing me to the correct documentation
[15:09:01] <Cyrille> harsher I meant
[15:09:19] <oxygene> loke: bummer, there went my theory ;)
[15:09:26] <e^ipi> i'm not gonna hold your hand through things but i'll point you in the right direction
[15:09:35] <codestr0m> RavenSlay3r: e^ipi is very knowledgeable
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[15:09:48] <e^ipi> if that comes off as rude, perhaps it's your own unwillingness to read documentation that's the problem
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[15:10:03] <Guest57780> hi
[15:10:08] <e^ipi> howdy
[15:10:26] <codestr0m> e^ipi: who said anything about hand holding.. this is just about being quiet if you don't want to help. that's it and that's all
[15:10:32] <e^ipi> that's odd, i've never seen someone /nick /from/ a normal /to/ a randomly generated nick
[15:10:32] <chrisg> lol
[15:10:40] <timsf> (that looked pretty friendly to me!)
[15:10:53] <chrisg> I think e^ipi had a valid point codestr0m
[15:10:58] <chrisg> read the manual
[15:11:02] <chrisg> then if you don't get it
[15:11:04] <chrisg> ask questions
[15:11:04] <Guest57780> how can i play Mp3 file in opensolaris
[15:11:06] <chrisg> is my view
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[15:11:34] <timsf> http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/playing_your_mp3s_with_songbird
[15:11:54] <RavenSlay3r> Guest57780: e^ipi probably knows ;)
[15:11:57] <Stric> e^ipi: I think the guestblah is server generated
[15:12:11] <e^ipi> Stric: yeah, but he joined as 'ahmed'
[15:12:13] <Guest57780> timsf: i play it with mplayer but i can't with rythmbox
[15:12:19] <oxygene> Stric: sure, but usually you log in with that, then rename
[15:12:25] <Guest57780> rhythmbox
[15:12:34] <timsf> rhythmbox pulls libraries from a different location,
[15:12:47] <trochej> Coffee
[15:12:47] <Stric> e^ipi: which could have been reserved by someone else and then the server renamed him
[15:12:48] <oxygene> Guest57780: that link above explains how to install the gstreamer plugin. that should work with rhythmbox, too
[15:12:49] <timsf> so you need to get the mp3 decode from those spanish guys.
[15:12:55] <timsf> decoder
[15:13:01] <e^ipi> spanish guys?
[15:13:04] <timsf> Fluendo
[15:13:11] <timsf>  (sorry, couldn't rememer the company name)
[15:13:13] <e^ipi> oh, yeah
[15:13:16] <Guest57780> timsf: thank you baby
[15:13:22] * timsf gurgles
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[15:13:40] <e^ipi> theirs is legit, innit ?
[15:13:44] <timsf> yup
[15:13:54] <oxygene> e^ipi: yes, for mp3 you can pay a one-time fee
[15:13:59] <oxygene> e^ipi: seems like they did
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[15:15:36] <Guest57780> timsf  why you were gurgling
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[15:16:14] <timsf> you called me baby. I figured I'd better do what babies do... :-)
[15:17:07] <rpage> i installed ss-dev but still cant find compiler?
[15:17:22] <e^ipi> rpage: it's in /opt/SunStudioExpress or something like that
[15:18:26] <rpage> e^ipi, you are right but i dont see gcc in there
[15:18:33] <e^ipi> no, it's not gcc
[15:18:45] <CosmicDJ> ss-dev isn't gcc-dev
[15:18:47] <e^ipi> 'cc' should be in there though
[15:19:01] <e^ipi> /opt/Sun.../bin/cc
[15:19:05] <rpage> when i have it installed , do i have to set my path
[15:19:12] <e^ipi> yeah, you will
[15:19:17] <e^ipi> jut tack it to the end
[15:19:19] <rpage> ok
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[15:21:58] <Guest57780> timsf: baby no mean baby kid
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[15:22:37] <e^ipi> Guest57780: he was making a joke :)
[15:22:49] <Guest57780> okok
[15:23:13] <Fullmoon> What build will be 2008.11? 100, right?
[15:23:43] <e^ipi> 101 IIRC
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[15:28:15] <Guest57780> the oss driver sometime work and sometime stop
[15:28:16] <Guest57780> why ?
[15:28:34] <Fullmoon> Will 2008.11 be ?better tested? than any other release?
[15:28:42] <Fullmoon> Like 99 for example
[15:28:42] <trochej> If we test it
[15:28:56] <e^ipi> Fullmoon: what about 99?
[15:29:00] <rpage> i got this error
[15:29:01] <rpage> configure: error: You must have the XTest headers to compile synergy
[15:29:08] <rpage> what package i need to install
[15:29:13] <Fullmoon> e^ipi: Nothing, just an example for something else than 101 :D
[15:29:28] <e^ipi> Fullmoon: well, 101 was a restricted build
[15:29:39] <e^ipi> bugfixes and low-impact changes only
[15:29:54] <e^ipi> so in that sense it's more whatever than other builds
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[15:30:46] <Guest57780> opensolaris it's too easy too
[15:30:52] <Guest57780> very good
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[15:31:21] <Guest57780> easy then windows
[15:32:16] <Guest57780> e^ipi: what the version of opensolaris that you use ??
[15:32:55] <Fullmoon> e^ipi: Interesting. I have great trouble finding out more about the OS testing and build process on the site, thanks for clearing that up
[15:32:57] <e^ipi> I use solaris express actually, building ON ( the opensolaris kernel, libc, userland, etc ) is too much of a hassle on 2008.05
[15:33:26] <Guest57780> e^ipi: i'm using 2008.05 too
[15:33:37] <rpage>  anyone know what package has XTest
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[15:33:55] <Fullmoon> Guest57780: You misread.
[15:34:01] <Guest57780> e^ipi: but is it possible to install kde without Blastwave ?
[15:34:22] <e^ipi> Fullmoon: i'm not sure if there's a timeline somewhere public ( give me a sec, i'll look for you ) but if you check the flag days pages it has that sort of thing
[15:34:37] <e^ipi> Fullmoon: the 101 restriction notice went out as a b97 flagday for some reason
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[15:34:39] <Guest57780> Fullmoon: yes i know cause i write "too"
[15:35:08] <e^ipi> oh, yeah... here you go: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/schedule/
[15:35:54] <e^ipi> Guest57780: no, he's right... i meant that I don't use 2008.05. instead I use solaris express: community edition
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[15:36:27] <Guest57780> e^ipi: sorry if i ask a lot but i want know a looooooooooooot
[15:37:16] <e^ipi> Fullmoon: in case you're curious about flag days they're here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/101-105/
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[15:39:56] <Guest57780> what's that command "top" in opensolaris
[15:40:11] <ky-san> prstat
[15:41:08] <rpage> hello
[15:41:31] <rpage> any please, using pkg what package i need
[15:41:38] <Guest57780> ky-san: thank you
[15:41:48] <Guest57780> really i'm hapy with that new OS
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[15:45:16] <CosmicDJ> rpage: http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/querying_ips_packages
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[15:48:58] <rpage> thanks
[15:49:11] <rpage> seems like pkg doesnt have XTest.h
[15:51:07] <CosmicDJ> pkg is doesn't have that much right now; I'd suggest you add blastwave and sunfreeware repos
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[15:51:26] <rpage> ok
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[15:58:04] <Guest57780> to bad
[15:58:19] <Guest57780> fluendo itsnt free
[15:59:51] <houst0n-> define free
[16:00:12] <rpage> pkg set-authority -O http://blastwave.network.com:10000/ Blastwave
[16:00:24] <rpage> is that the proper way
[16:00:50] <e^ipi> Guest57780: the mp3 plugin is
[16:01:00] <e^ipi> Guest57780: the other ones aren't though
[16:02:29] <Guest57780> e^ipi: thnk you , but in Linux i had gstreamer plugin for mp3 why opensolaris deosnt add that
[16:02:45] <e^ipi> because Sun doesn't feel like getting sued
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[16:03:13] <sstallion_work> morning all
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[16:06:33] <Guest57780> e^ipi: abd about xine-engine ?
[16:06:51] <e^ipi> Guest57780: it doesn't matter how you violate patents, you still are legally liable
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[16:07:09] <e^ipi> and sun is a big enough target that they need to worry about that sort of thing
[16:07:19] <kmays> Guest57780: pkg-get -i kdegcc provides a fully working KDE on Solaris 8 and up.
[16:08:06] <kmays> Guest57780: the MP3 plugin is on the IPS site (pkg.opensolaris.org)
[16:08:23] <_mary_kate_> Guest57780: https://shop.fluendo.com/product_info.php?products_id=40&osCsid=kqnr1j5cteu5872e5k5nr5o7e1
[16:08:26] <_mary_kate_> Guest57780: looks pretty free to me
[16:08:40] <kmays> Guest57780: Use the package manager if you use OpenSoalris 2008.11-b98 and up.
[16:11:41] <kmays> KDE 4.1.2 'Chichen Itza' is being worked on for Blastwave.
[16:12:19] <Guest57780> the site make me mad
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[16:14:08] <Fullmoon> e^ipi: Thanks.
[16:14:47] <e^ipi> Guest57780: which site?
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[16:15:07] <Guest57780> e^ipi: https://shop.fluendo.com/product_info.php?products_id=40%7B8%7D26&osCsid=kqnr1j5cteu5872e5k5nr5o7e1
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[16:17:17] <e^ipi> Guest57780: ?
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[16:17:30] <e^ipi> you sign up, go through their 'shop' and then download
[16:17:36] <e^ipi> i didn't get asked for my CC#
[16:18:03] <Guest57780> e^ipi: ahhh i must regiter then thank you
[16:18:11] <kmays> People could use Ogg Vorbis since it is free, but won't work on most CD players... ;)
[16:18:38] <e^ipi> or mp3 players
[16:18:56] <e^ipi> ogg is nice in concept, but since bugger-all can read it it's almost entirely useless
[16:19:29] <oxygene> depends on what you do
[16:19:48] <Guest57780> e^ipi: thank you again
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[16:20:06] <houst0n-> flac is great
[16:20:26] <houst0n-> big files, but can transcode as it's lossless!
[16:21:06] <luna1> hi people :-) i'm new to solaris (installed yesterday). how is ext3 support (especially for writing) and anyone have try it ?
[16:22:08] <oxygene> people just don't give up. *sigh* get me a specification for the ext3 file format, and I'll write a read/write implementation for opensolaris, signed over to sun, for inclusion.
[16:22:46] <kmays> oxygene: ext3-discuss ?
[16:22:59] <oxygene> kmays: it's simple to make such promises: there is no spec
[16:23:15] <luna1> :(
[16:23:17] <houst0n-> I thought ext3 was already available via fuse?
[16:24:05] <kmays> oxygene: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/ext3/Documentation/quick_start/
[16:24:08] <kmays> ah
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[16:26:07] <rpage> where is the trashbin located, i dont se eone on my desktop
[16:26:42] <luna1> kmays: ty for the link
[16:29:31] <e^ipi> oxygene: well, clearly code is better documentation than documentation
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[16:30:24] <oxygene> e^ipi: I hope you merely forgot the sarcasm tags
[16:30:33] <e^ipi> naturally...
[16:30:52] <oxygene> thanks, any other response would have made me weep
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[16:36:28] <Cyrille> code doesn't get out of sync with code and accurately describes what code does to begin with...
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[16:37:55] <e^ipi> in theory you should be writing code against the documentation/specs and not the other way around
[16:38:26] <oxygene> Cyrille: might be true for code only. but usually that code has some sort of input and output. and I'd prefer a more reliable source for information about that than source
[16:39:02] <aruiz> we should all be writing Lisp!
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[16:39:21] <oxygene> Cyrille: in case of filesystems, the on-disk layout. there doesn't need to be information about caching strategies or crap like that (except for things like transactional writes, if ordering and cache behaviour matters)
[16:39:40] <Cyrille> e^ipi, you're right, but that's how code may not do what the documentation states even at the beginning, and may over time diverge even more.
[16:39:45] <kmays> e^ipi: True, but most programmers are taught to code first..ask questions later.
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[16:42:17] <Cyrille> oxygene, yes, documentation is useful for knowing the expected behaviour, which in most cases is what the code does.
[16:43:38] <holcomb> lisp4life
[16:43:43] <oxygene> Cyrille: so if there's a data killing bug in zfs, that's expected behaviour of zfs. glad to know ;)
[16:43:55] <Cyrille> could be :-)
[16:43:57] <rpage> how come there is no trashbin icon on the desktop
[16:44:43] <aruiz> oxygene, well
[16:44:45] <Cyrille> you deleted it from the desktop?
[16:45:01] <holcomb> can you put the trashbin in itself?
[16:45:17] <Cyrille> just check in the trashbin to see if it's there ;-)
[16:45:29] <e^ipi> holcomb: trashbin is just an abstraction of the GNOME method of trash ( id est, leaving .trash folders all over the goddamn place )
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[16:46:09] <aruiz> oxygene, if the code is written so that it perform data killing, and it does otherwise, I would think about calling an exorcist
[16:46:16] <rpage> huh
[16:46:21] <rpage> i never deleted it
[16:46:25] <rpage> it was neve ron my desktop
[16:46:26] <holcomb> i was kidding... :P
[16:46:45] <rpage> how can i put on there
[16:47:08] <oxygene> aruiz: you call an exorcist, if a serial killer retires? ;)
[16:47:45] <aruiz> oxygene, :P
[16:48:09] <aruiz> oxygene, anyway, maintaining docs in sync with code, is a huge task, and not affordable most times
[16:50:09] <oxygene> aruiz: depends. I don't see a need for docs for every aspect of the code, but two things should be covered: any persistent data (protocols, data formats), and clever tricks (that might confuse a later developer). as these two aspects shouldn't change every few days, and because there's real thought behind such changes, documentation should be okay (all of that imho, ymmv, etc)
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[16:50:50] <aruiz> oxygene, they do changes in a daily basis during development time actually :P
[16:51:03] <aruiz> s/changes/change/
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[16:52:14] <oxygene> aruiz: in a code-first-think-never environment, yes ;)
[16:52:48] <e^ipi> when you discover design flaws, the solution is to update the design
[16:52:52] <e^ipi> not hack the code to pieces
[16:53:13] <oxygene> and once the design is updated, have fun with the code. exactly
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[16:55:16] <Guest57780> e^ipi: plese i want ask you about something , you don't have Server experience with Opensolaris
[16:55:45] <holcomb> you guys are way too rational.  just do it in perl on the fly
[16:55:59] <e^ipi> have i given you any indication that it is not okay to ask?
[16:56:20] <e^ipi> you needn't ask if you're allowed to ask, just ask a question and if anybody knows the answer, they'll pipe up
[16:56:25] <jbk> morning
[16:56:46] <Guest57780> e^ipi: ahh sorry , but you give me many Words
[16:56:49] <Guest57780> i'm sad
[16:56:55] <e^ipi> Guest57780: just ask.
[16:57:02] <e^ipi> Guest57780: "can i ask" is a silly question
[16:57:22] <Guest57780> e^ipi: yes i think i were silly boy
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[16:58:43] <Guest57780> i want ask but i fear if you give me Words again
[16:59:18] <timsf> just ask.
[16:59:44] <jbk> what, would you rather he respond with grunts and hand jestures over irc? :)
[16:59:57] <Guest57780> ok thank you when i have question i'll ask
[17:00:21] <e^ipi> jbk: yes, that'd be pretty fun
[17:00:47] <jbk> brb.. walking over to training class..
[17:00:49] <houst0n-> jbk: I'm fairly sure e^ipi has some software for doing that ..
[17:02:04] <rpage> i am running Sun Java Directory Server 6.3, i am receiving the following error "Connection Bind through PTA failed " i know to has to do with Pass Through Authentication
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[17:02:38] <rpage> i has to do with using a FQDN, but i am unable to locate the config file
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[17:05:38] <Guest57780> Opensolaris and linux are based of UNIX but why they don't have same Command  , i mean only UNIX command
[17:05:52] <houst0n-> linux isn't unix based
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[17:06:21] <oxygene> linux imitates unix. and esp. the network commands are deliberately different because of some paranoia back when the bsd lawsuits were around
[17:07:41] <houst0n-> I constantly type mount -F on linux, which is annoying
[17:07:51] <houst0n-> and no prstat, gah!
[17:07:53] <Guest57780> ahh understodd now
[17:09:29] <Guest57780> houst0n-: i think you hate Linux
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[17:11:47] <houst0n-> I don't *hate* linux
[17:11:51] <houst0n-> I just don't have a use for it
[17:12:21] <oxygene> houst0n-: you're not a zealot, which proves you hate it ;)
[17:13:13] <houst0n-> oxygene: Hah. Unfortunately there are people who actually think like this
[17:13:28] <seanmcg> well, AIX, HP-UX, *BSD, OS-X, Linux, Solaris, can all do things differently for similar tasks..
[17:13:48] <oxygene> houst0n-: I don't think I'd be creative enough to make this up on my own
[17:14:12] <houst0n-> Must .. Not .. Troll .. The guest ... with .. broken .. english
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[17:16:37] <houst0n-> Linux is fine for desktop stuff, the overall "feel" just isn't the same though.. It's like, linux has been tacked togeather by however many thousand devs over however many years with no sort of procedures/guidelines per se.. Wherewas solaris throughout it's entire lifecycle has followed sun's guidelines etc.. The result? Linux is heaps of messy seemingly unrelated code tacked togeather, that somehow works.. Solaris is solid as a rock
[17:16:54] <_mary_kate_> what file in /etc does bash read for all interactive shells?  (not just logins)
[17:16:58] <houst0n-> Personal pref. though I guess
[17:17:09] <oxygene> unfortunately, the desktop stuff on solaris is now the same as on linux
[17:17:17] <aruiz> unfortunately?
[17:17:22] <oxygene> incl. all the bits that are merely tacked together
[17:17:37] <aruiz> for example?
[17:17:51] <_mary_kate_> aruiz: GNOME works very much like houst0n- described linux
[17:17:55] <holcomb> desktops are just ways to open lots of terminals
[17:17:58] <_mary_kate_> many small parts which get put together, and you just hope they work
[17:18:09] <aruiz> I asked for an example
[17:18:10] <aruiz> :)
[17:18:18] <_mary_kate_> you want a list of programs in gnome?
[17:18:24] <_mary_kate_> gnome-terminal, gnome-panel, nautilus...
[17:18:52] <aruiz> I wanted an example on why that is unfortunate
[17:19:35] <houst0n-> aruiz: Well, an inherited mess is still a mess =)
[17:20:10] <oxygene> houst0n-: I _think_ aruiz doesn't understand why having a couple of daemons replicating kernel level work (eg. dbus and hal) is a mess...
[17:20:12] <aruiz> so you can't give me one right?
[17:20:27] <aruiz> oxygene, dbus and hal doesn't replicate  kernel level work
[17:20:39] <oxygene> aruiz: device tree and IPC. that looks very much like kernel level work
[17:20:40] <jbk> i just find it overly complicated (gconf) and poorly documented (gconf)
[17:20:49] <ky-san> _mary_kate_: there is no such file in /etc IIRC
[17:21:02] <aruiz> jbk, gconf is meant to be replaced soon
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[17:21:09] <aruiz> oxygene, no, hal is not a device tree
[17:21:12] <jbk> it's like linux in that trying to do something requires a lot of tribal knowledge pasted together from vague postings on pages scattered throughout the internet
[17:21:13] <houst0n-> aruiz: Hey, these are just my opinions no need to get so defensive..
[17:21:21] <aruiz> oxygene, hal is a device related notification service
[17:21:33] <aruiz> oxygene, if any kernel was meant to provide that, hal wouldn't be needed
[17:21:38] <seanmcg> aruiz, gconf replaced with what ?   so gconf-editor etc goes away ?
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[17:21:44] <jbk> aruiz: and what does the replacement look like?
[17:21:48] <aruiz> seanmcg, dconf
[17:22:21] <aruiz> jbk, something that doesn't depend on Bonobo, it's less complex, and doesn't rely on opening 100s of files on cold startup
[17:22:22] <oxygene> aruiz: so it's an extended device tree. great.
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[17:22:43] <aruiz> oxygene, no, it's a notification system for high level apps, no kernel provides that, even less in a portable fashion
[17:23:35] <aruiz> houst0n-, I don't get defensive, I just want to know why you think so
[17:23:40] <jbk> from first appearance, it looks a lot like syseventd
[17:23:54] <oxygene> well, at least you seem to agree that dbus is merely IPC ;)
[17:23:57] <jbk> of course that's also pretty much completely undocumented (and solaris-specific)
[17:24:26] <aruiz> oxygene, it's a portable IPC, yes
[17:24:57] <oxygene> aruiz: and what is it with pango. last time I looked it cost an overhead of 14mb/process - unshared
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[17:25:25] <aruiz> oxygene, when was the last time you checked?
[17:25:38] <oxygene> aruiz: JDS3 and (I think) JDS4 - not 100% sure on the latter
[17:25:49] <aruiz> oxygene, over the latest few years it had a major rework regarding footprint and performance
[17:25:51] <oxygene> aruiz: didn't use that crap for a long time, for such reasons
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[17:26:50] <aruiz> oxygene, it's definitively much better now, however I don't have accurate numbers
[17:27:29] <jbk> i will say about 3 years ago, i looked at modifying gnome-terminal to provide similar functionality as sun cluster's ctelnet
[17:27:37] <jbk> and my eyes bled looking at the code :)
[17:29:38] <oxygene> aruiz: does gnome still have problems if the hostname doesn't resolve?
[17:31:38] <aruiz> oxygene, get the latest opensolaris iso and check yourself :-)
[17:31:52] <oxygene> you mean the latest indiana iso?
[17:32:02] <aruiz> I mean the latest opensolaris iso
[17:32:13] <oxygene> sorry, sources on iso doesn't make much sense
[17:32:14] <Cyrille> I thought OpenSolaris was just code.
[17:32:43] <timsf> nono, it's community
[17:32:46] <Cyrille> oh dear.
[17:32:47] <aruiz> http://www.opensolaris.com/
[17:33:03] <timsf> :-p
[17:33:16] <oxygene> aruiz: must be someone who illegitimately hijacked the domain.
[17:33:29] <xRaich[o]2x> naming the code and the distro opensolaris was really a great marketing move :P
[17:33:37] <oxygene> as usual, with sun
[17:33:49] <Cyrille> great, so now if it's a distribution, time to rewrite all these helpful pages which tried patiently to explain the difference...
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[17:34:19] <xRaich[o]2x> Cyrille: it's both... isn't that great? erm i mean confusing ^^
[17:34:20] <Cyrille> confused-so-was-i is going to be confused-so-was-i-and-is-now-again
[17:35:09] <Cyrille> am-now actually.
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[17:38:25] <alanc> this argument was had a year ago and lost - it's a floor wax and a dessert topping now, and we have to use context to determine which is which
[17:38:46] <rpage> i dont know what when wrong but something seem to have broken pkg, http://pastebin.com/m7a8e8bfa
[17:38:58] <rpage> the last thing i installed was SUNsudo
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[17:39:08] <rpage> SUNWsudo
[17:39:13] <rpage> using pkg
[17:39:38] <jbk> it's the all new OS-o-matic
[17:40:27] <rpage> how can i fix that
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[17:42:26] <rpage> why would installing packages using pkg would break itself
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[17:47:13] <CosmicDJ> rpage: because you're using bleeding edge code
[17:47:25] <CosmicDJ> and shit happens(tm)
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[17:50:11] <e^ipi> rpage: why would you install sudo when pfexec works just as well ( if not better... i'd say better ) ?
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[17:51:01] <Mysterioux> need more information on the stability and cross platform of solaris
[17:51:12] <Mysterioux> can anyone be of help?
[17:51:13] <e^ipi> solaris /is/ a platform
[17:51:36] <e^ipi> not sure what you mean by cross platform
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[17:53:21] <Mysterioux> i mean it's specification for installing, process of installing etc?
[17:54:02] <e^ipi> still not clear what you mean
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[17:54:09] <LuckyLuke> if you mean "documentation" there's plenty of them, you can start from the url in topic
[17:54:36] <e^ipi> you use either the package facility , or you build the software you need
[17:55:45] <e^ipi> as for stability, if you mean interface stability ( libs, ABI/API )... i have a copy of Mosaic browser 0.9, built for solaris 2.4 ( iirc ) that runs on my SXCE box ( ~ solaris 11 ) just fine... 15 years later
[17:56:10] <CosmicDJ> "cross platform" -> runs on x86, x64 and sparc hardware ;)
[17:57:55] <Mysterioux> thanks
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[17:58:11] <rpage> i did know about pfexec
[17:58:13] <e^ipi> and IBM systemz
[17:58:18] <rpage> what is that
[17:58:33] <seanmcg> mainframe
[17:58:37] <Mysterioux> i'm kinda of new to solaris, waiting for my openSolaris Cd and i wanted to remove all skepticism regarding solaris
[17:58:40] <LuckyLuke> a big bad guy :)
[17:59:24] <rpage> e^ipi, pfexec gives you root access to anything?
[17:59:28] <LuckyLuke> Mysterioux: it works, if that's your problem :)
[17:59:37] <aruiz> Mysterioux, you should try to install it first, play with it, and eventually if you run into any troubles, ask for help
[17:59:48] <Mysterioux> ok aruiz
[18:00:05] <e^ipi> rpage: if it's set up that way, yes
[18:00:18] <aruiz> rpage, pfexec executes commands with the privileges that the profiles your user is in grants
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[18:00:37] <Mysterioux> but there's a catch? Are there documentation on installation process or it is similiar to linux installation?
[18:00:41] <aruiz> rpage, so if your user have full administrator privileges, yes, pfexec allows you execute everything as if you were root
[18:00:50] <aruiz> Mysterioux, catch?
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[18:00:57] <aruiz> Mysterioux, just try it :)
[18:01:15] <e^ipi> Mysterioux: yeah dude, it's a liveCD
[18:01:22] <e^ipi> just pop it in and go to town
[18:01:56] <xRaich[o]2x> Mysterioux: I've been a linux user for over a decade. switched to opensolaris after the first try. just give it a try
[18:02:07] <rpage> do this have to do with RBAC
[18:02:11] <LuckyLuke> Mysterioux: take a browser and browse the urls in topic
[18:02:13] <aruiz> it's not gonna hurt, I promise
[18:02:17] <aruiz> rpage, yes
[18:02:26] <aruiz> rpage, that's an rbac tool basically
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[18:03:07] <rpage> how can i check to see what privileges i have as a user
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[18:03:29] <Bilel> hi
[18:03:48] <e^ipi> rpage: 'roles'
[18:03:59] <CosmicDJ> profiles?
[18:04:08] <e^ipi> that as well
[18:04:11] <rpage> yeah is there a command to list my roles
[18:04:32] <e^ipi> and one to list your profiles too
[18:04:37] <e^ipi> which CosmicDJ pointed out
[18:04:57] <CosmicDJ> hm I have some dtrace privs, but neitehr auths, profiles nor roles lists them...
[18:04:59] <Mysterioux> thanks guys for the info.....truly the inter is net....
[18:05:35] <Mysterioux> by the way, what is the minimum requirement for installation?
[18:05:40] <Bilel> hi guys which on the sun ray softwre
[18:05:44] <e^ipi> right, auths as well
[18:05:58] <_mary_kate_> Bilel: your question doesn't make much sense
[18:06:10] <CosmicDJ> e^ipi: +ppriv $$
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[18:06:52] <rpage> not sure what you telling me to do
[18:07:09] <Bilel> which one knows the sun ray softwre
[18:07:20] <Bilel> installation
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[18:07:32] <aruiz> Bilel, I do, but that's kind of off topic
[18:07:48] <e^ipi> rpage: roles(1) will give you what roles your user has. profiles(1) will give you what profiles you have, auths(1) will give you auths... and ppriv $$ gives you the privs of the current shell
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[18:08:59] <Mysterioux> still ned the installation requirement GUYS?
[18:09:58] <e^ipi> Mysterioux: about 512M of ram, but i'd prefer >1G
[18:10:26] <e^ipi> that's about the only real requirement ( it runs fine on 300mhz CPU's for instance)
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[18:10:57] <e^ipi> it's not going to be fun to compile stuff on a machine so slow, but it works
[18:11:21] <Mysterioux> are there online administrative guide books to administer theo OS?
[18:11:31] <e^ipi> Mysterioux: yes, see the /topic of this channel
[18:11:32] <seanmcg> docs.sun.com
[18:11:39] <rpage> +ppriv $$ doesnt work
[18:11:49] <e^ipi> "doesn't work" in what sense?
[18:11:50] <rpage> profiles show the following
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[18:11:51] <rpage> +ppriv $$
[18:11:55] <rpage> sorry
[18:12:03] <rpage> Console User
[18:12:03] <rpage> Basic Solaris User
[18:12:03] <rpage> All
[18:12:42] <rpage> roles == no roles
[18:14:34] <CosmicDJ> try w/o the +...
[18:15:12] <e^ipi> okay, so you don't have any profiles or roles defined for yourself
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[18:15:33] <e^ipi> man user_attr
[18:15:44] <e^ipi> and `man rbac`
[18:16:44] <aruiz> rpage, http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/jsp/descFile.jsp?url=descAll/rbac_in_the_solaris_operating_environment
[18:17:50] <CosmicDJ> http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/4077-Less-known-Solaris-features-RBAC-and-Privileges.html
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[18:37:09] <oxygene> alanc_away: reviving the debate on naming can only help. eventually it will be obnoxious enough that there's one useful instance of sun's habit of renaming stuff all the time: indiana to something non-"opensolaris". and so I will.
[18:37:48] <oxygene> of course, it could also be ignored, but #opensolaris as support channel might be uncomfortable for newcomers
[18:38:41] <jbk> xVM OS
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[18:38:43] <jbk> :)
[18:38:57] <oxygene> xvm java os, iplanet edition
[18:39:06] <jbk> you forgot 'sun one'
[18:39:09] <jbk> :)
[18:39:12] <oxygene> sorry :)
[18:39:37] <oxygene> okay: sun one xvm openjdk OS, iplanet community edition
[18:39:42] <jbk> :)
[18:39:51] <asyd> ahah
[18:40:46] <Dominic> n1 :)
[18:41:11] <jbk> doh
[18:41:11] <oxygene> uh
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[18:44:14] <CosmicDJ> ... introducing forte studio 13 ;)
[18:45:21] <oxygene> is there a collection of all the names sun ever used for their stuff? it would probably fill a small dictionary
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[18:48:03] <Aria> Or a large one
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[18:51:22] <Cyrille> there would be a lot of redundancy though, as they to heavily use the same words in a given point in time.
[18:51:53] <Cyrille> The whole Sun Java Random Name System season comes to mind.
[18:52:29] <Cyrille> and indeed Sun ONE and iPlanet which preceded that are other examples.
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[18:55:08] <Aria> Well, yeah. A hyperdictionary with pointers to the other entries would be awesome.
[18:55:24] <CosmicDJ> like the... www? ;)
[18:55:25] <Aria> "Java" (200 disambiguating entries)
[18:55:39] <Aria> Yeah, except the www with this information in one coherent place ;-)
[18:57:24] <oxygene> heh
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[18:59:22] <CIA-52> Dana Myers <Dana.Myers at Sun dot COM>: 6464695 acpica: update to Intel ACPI CA 20080829 (fix unref)
[18:59:23] <CIA-52> tim szeto <Tim.Szeto at Sun dot COM>: 6753361 findleaks found memory leaks in iscsi target daemon, 6756284 iscsi target daemon should not perform iSNS SCN registration when iSNS server is not available
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[19:52:09] <izaki> Hello! I've noticed that there are small pauses in the response time of my OpenSolaris computer... Sometimes it seems like the system is frozen and then it works again...
[19:52:36] <izaki> Is there any parameter I can feed to the kernel scheduler so I can get a better user oriented experience?
[19:52:53] <izaki> (I ask being a visitor from the linux world...)
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[19:53:32] <victori_> izaki: switch the cpu scheduler
[19:53:35] <victori_> i forgot how ;-(
[19:53:51] <jbk> dispadmin i think
[19:54:08] <jbk> though the syntax takes a bit of getting used to
[19:54:13] <victori_> dispadmin -l
[19:55:57] <victori_> the RT class is what you might be looking for
[19:56:09] <CosmicDJ> huh
[19:56:50] <victori_> or IA
[19:57:02] <victori_> http://www.princeton.edu/~unix/Solaris/troubleshoot/schedule.html
[19:57:03] <CosmicDJ> I'd rather try FSS instead of RT... http://www.princeton.edu/~unix/Solaris/troubleshoot/schedule.html
[19:57:10] <CosmicDJ> victori_: ;)
[19:58:00] <CosmicDJ> http://blogs.sun.com/andrei/entry/fair_share_scheduler_and_zones
[19:58:15] <izaki> I'll look for that...
[19:58:15] <izaki> thanks!
[19:58:45] * izaki is very very impressed with OpenSolaris... Great stuff! Great job!
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[19:59:19] <CIA-52> Krishnendu Sadhukhan - Sun Microsystems <Krishnendu.Sadhukhan at Sun dot COM>: 6755292 Fast reboot should support failsafe
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[20:03:52] <CosmicDJ> izaki: it still has some rough edges :)
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[20:21:59] <izaki> CosmicDJ: rough edges perhaps... but it is a young project... I have to deal with a 20+ yo OS that I can't get running anywhere...
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[20:37:01] <houst0n-> Ok, how come jds/gnome on sxce isn't reading my ~/.Xdefaults file?
[20:37:04] <houst0n-> Has this been moved?
[20:38:52] <Ouroboro> hm, 'tar' on nevada doesnt support the 'x' option?
[20:39:00] <Ouroboro> i mean 'z'
[20:39:11] <oxygene> it's sun tar.. if you want gnu tar, try /usr/sfw/bin/gtar
[20:39:20] <CosmicDJ> Ouroboro: z/j isn't supported on any solaris tar
[20:39:29] <houst0n-> Err yes it's now .Xresources
[20:39:30] <houst0n-> do
[20:39:31] <houst0n-> h
[20:39:38] <CosmicDJ> Ouroboro: try gtar or pipe it through from gzcat/bzcaz
[20:39:44] <Ouroboro> yeah i know that method
[20:39:46] <oxygene> there's an ARC case from 2005 to replace solaris tar with star..
[20:39:57] <Ouroboro> CosmicDJ: i saw it used in some solaris tutorial, oh well
[20:40:16] <oxygene> that would solve this and many other issues (eg. very long paths in gnu-style tars)
[20:42:35] <e^ipi> IIRC it was derailed and then forgotten
[20:43:09] <ninjaslim> is solaris tar a different type of tar?  SysV implementation
[20:43:25] <ninjaslim> houston: have you done xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults
[20:43:42] <e^ipi> star and gtar also don't support xattrs or ACL's
[20:44:08] <ninjaslim> what about bsd tar
[20:44:22] <oxygene> gtar also doesn't support giving out posix streams. so you better keep the source of that very version you use available, too
[20:44:26] <e^ipi> no, only solaris tar understands solaris features
[20:44:54] <e^ipi> there's also some security colouring thing that i don't understand that solaris tar supports IIRC
[20:44:56] <Ouroboro> so would you say the 'gzcat | tar' method is preferable?
[20:45:14] <oxygene> depends on where your tarball came from
[20:45:18] <ninjaslim> well i think that's sort of expected, by the way i'm curious how different Solaris is from other SysV Unixes like HP-UX and AIX
[20:45:33] <e^ipi> hpux is actually a BSD unix
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[20:45:54] <e^ipi> and aix isn't occasionally backronymed to "A'Int UNIX"
[20:46:01] <e^ipi> :)
[20:46:10] <e^ipi> erm, s/isn't/is
[20:46:25] <ninjaslim> HP-UX is BSD based??? interesting
[20:46:36] <_mary_kate_> HP-UX is more sysv than bsd
[20:46:39] <ninjaslim> wait AIX is backronymed or not?
[20:46:39] <e^ipi> it was on the other side of the UNIX wars
[20:46:50] <CosmicDJ> e^ipi: "[star] includes ACLs [and] the ability to archive extended file flags" -> http://freshmeat.net/projects/star/
[20:46:51] <oxygene> so that's why ibm has so few problems dumping aix for gnu/linux - moving from "ain't unix" to "gnu's not unix" shouldn't hurt ;)
[20:46:59] <e^ipi> aix actually stands for 'advanced ibm unix' but that's how the joke goes
[20:47:42] <jbk> hp-ux 9 i think was more bsd-ish, but 10.20 and later were more sysv-ish (from what i've been told, never touched 9, just 10.20 and later)
[20:47:44] <ninjaslim> IBMs moved over...i thoguht big blue was sticking by aix
[20:48:22] <e^ipi> ask the australians about that, evidently you have to fight with them for them to even sell you a license for it
[20:48:23] <jbk> well ibm is sellign linux because of hype and because it's cheap
[20:48:49] <ninjaslim> i know that tru64 is BSD with Mach kernel, although it's no point mentioning it because HP only provides maintenance releases for it
[20:48:55] <e^ipi> it's not really that cheap, they just don't have to pay a lot of people to work on it because the million monkeys are already taking care of it
[20:48:55] <jbk> but really want to sell you overpriced aix boxes (or even better) obscenely overpriced mainframes
[20:49:10] <jbk> for them it's cheap they have some developers
[20:49:14] <_mary_kate_> HP-UX is so old, i'm not sure it makes sense to describe it as BSD or SysV.. it pretty much predates both ;)
[20:49:15] <jbk> don't have to invest in a support organization
[20:49:16] <CosmicDJ> the only real commercial BSD was BSDi
[20:49:17] <jbk> or rather
[20:49:25] <CosmicDJ> was from BSDi called BSD/OS
[20:49:27] <jbk> their support consists of someone on the phone entering your problem into google
[20:49:30] <CosmicDJ> IIRC
[20:49:31] <jbk> (i'm not kidding)
[20:49:34] <jbk> and then calling redhat
[20:49:53] <CosmicDJ> sadly, they were bought by WindRiver and disappeared
[20:49:58] <Ouroboro> so is gtar the tar you might find on linux or something different
[20:50:07] <oxygene> Ouroboro: gtar is the tar you usually find on linux, yes
[20:51:01] <Ouroboro> then there is also gtar from blastwave, hm
[20:51:13] <ninjaslim> you find gtar generally on GNU-based systems, bsdtar on the BSDs, and whatever the SysV Unixes use
[20:51:41] <CosmicDJ> Ouroboro: gtar is gnu tar...
[20:51:59] <CosmicDJ> gmake -> gnu make; you get the idea? :)
[20:52:16] <Cyrille> google -> gnu oogle?
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[20:52:24] <CosmicDJ> yep
[20:52:24] <e^ipi> Cyrille++
[20:52:25] <e^ipi> heh.
[20:52:28] <Ouroboro> CosmicDJ: well i got that part heh
[20:52:53] <oxygene> gay - gnu ay? I knew it
[20:53:14] <xRaich[o]2x> germany...... gnu er. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[20:54:27] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: heh, bring that up with roland and joerg
[20:54:44] <e^ipi> after they find the body, it'll be hilarious
[20:55:03] <houst0n-> Ok this is as good a place as any to ask .. Any ideas why my qt apps look like this? Also, does anyone notice VirtualBox on sxce looks the same?
[20:55:06] <houst0n-> http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=probet5.png
[20:55:14] <houst0n-> (QT4)
[20:55:38] <e^ipi> because it's not linked in to the font libraries correctly
[20:55:44] <e^ipi> got it from blastwave?
[20:55:44] <houst0n-> Well....
[20:55:48] <houst0n-> no built it
[20:55:52] <houst0n-> (insomnia:~/Desktop) houst0n > ldd ../smplayer-0.6.3/src/smplayer | grep font libfontconfig.so.1 =>	 /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1
[20:55:54] <e^ipi> yeah
[20:55:56] <houst0n-> Should be all it needs right?
[20:56:06] <houst0n-> gnome-settings-daemon sets Xft.whatever
[20:56:08] <e^ipi> track down steleman , he's smart in that regard
[20:57:03] <e^ipi> i don't think its' fontconfig that you need to
[20:57:13] <houst0n-> libXft?
[20:57:19] <oxygene> xft should be it, yes
[20:57:39] <houst0n-> Bah, need to recompile QT now
[20:57:43] <houst0n-> Shouldn't be too bad
[20:58:05] <Ouroboro> heh, ghost in the shell
[20:58:46] <houst0n-> =)
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[21:02:31] <Ouroboro> hm, is there really no compiler in the full sxce distribution or did i just not set the path
[21:04:01] <CosmicDJ> there's gcc in /usr/sfw/bin
[21:05:16] <Ouroboro> ah yes, so i did not set the path
[21:05:51] <Ouroboro> are there reasons to not add this to global path for all users?
[21:07:14] <CosmicDJ> you're asking why sun didn't add it to the default path?
[21:07:36] <Ouroboro> yes, but also will things fail horribly if i do
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[21:09:33] <doof> lu
[21:09:46] <e^ipi> did someone say that xen was broken on 99 and 100 ?
[21:10:13] <Guest57780> hi
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[21:10:45] <Guest57780> i'm using oss driver when i install it it works good but now it give me that error http://pastebin.com/m726dcc30
[21:11:39] <Guest57780> when i did osstest
[21:12:48] <doof> does someone know where can i find header file which define DT_DIR and DT_UNKNOWN ? on linux, i find it in dirent.h file but not on opensolaris (nv99)
[21:12:50] <CosmicDJ> Ouroboro: IIRC it's not in the default PATH because of "Compatibility", and no, the world will not explode if you add it
[21:13:04] <trochej> Next thing broken by gnu path
[21:13:14] <trochej> GNU chmod does not support ACLs
[21:13:26] <trochej> whereas Solaris chmod does
[21:13:42] <Guest57780> any idia please
[21:13:43] <jbk> doof: what are you trying to do?
[21:13:47] <Guest57780> idea
[21:13:50] <CosmicDJ> trochej: IIRC there wasn't a real ACL std until NFS4
[21:14:27] <oxygene> doof: it might be that these aren't standard values. if so, they might just not exist on solaris
[21:14:38] <oxygene> CosmicDJ: right, only some posix acl draft
[21:14:38] <doof> jbk: i try to build e17 :)
[21:14:40] <e^ipi> acl's, xattrs, etc
[21:14:51] <e^ipi> there's plenty of reason to keep gnu and sfw at the end of $PATH
[21:14:52] <jbk> CosmicDJ: and watch whenever linux gets around to supporting it better to invent it's own method of manipulating it (chacl?) that will magically be adopted in the gnu utilities :)
[21:15:02] <jbk> doof: hmm.. sounds like it's doing something it shouldn't
[21:15:04] <oxygene> doof: uh, what part of e17 requires these? the 0.50 snapshots build without patching those away here..
[21:15:04] <trochej> CosmicDJ: std or not, it's not what I'd call a sane thing, when you simply break normal Solaris functionality
[21:15:34] <trochej> I, for once, use chmod ACL and projects/tasks switches for few commands that are not supported by GNU userland
[21:15:39] <doof> oxygene: now, evas need eina which use DT_DIR and DT_UNKNOWN
[21:16:17] <oxygene> evas needs eina? uh.. what's eina?
[21:17:41] <h3sp4wn> e^ipi: xen is broken on intel on b99 (works just fine on amd)
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[21:20:39] <doof> oxygene: dont know, but now it's in efl
[21:21:11] <h3sp4wn> houst0n-: By default freetype doesn't have the BCI thing enabled for patent reasons (I had fonts like that with virtualbox but hacked it fixed by just replacing the libraries with those from SFEfreetype) proper way would be to rebuild it from SFW but that looks to be a pita. Maybe it will be possible to hack bitstream back when the new solaris 10 is released
[21:21:40] <houst0n-> BCI?
[21:21:53] <houst0n-> hmm
[21:24:08] <h3sp4wn> Its something that is patented (Either apple or MS I forget)
[21:24:37] <houst0n-> Ok cool, I'll try and link it to SFEfreetype
[21:24:46] <houst0n-> Thanks =)
[21:26:44] <CosmicDJ> no thanks
[21:26:47] <CosmicDJ> wc
[21:27:39] <Ouroboro> hm, /usr/bin/profiles and /usr/sfw/bin/profiles, will this be a problem
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[21:29:05] <Guest57780> for skype i can use kype ith code source ??
[21:29:16] <Guest57780> skype with code source *
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[21:31:11] <CosmicDJ> Guest57780: you want skype's sourcecode?
[21:31:29] <Ouroboro> actually i guess if i have /usr/sfw/bin second in path then /usr/bin commands will be default
[21:31:42] <e^ipi> if you run it thorugh 'dis' you can get the source code
[21:31:43] <e^ipi> ;)
[21:31:47] <Ouroboro> heh
[21:33:11] <CosmicDJ> Ouroboro: no reason to guess, try it out $ env PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sfw/bin profiles" and then the other way 'round
[21:35:42] <Ouroboro> well i tried it one way, but was too lazy to try the other :)
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[21:39:59] <CosmicDJ> ww
[21:40:16] <CosmicDJ> damn, I should stop chatting in 2 rooms...
[21:41:27] <Ouroboro> also, you should stop biting your keyboard
[21:41:29] <Guest57780> how can i restart sound deamon
[21:41:34] <holcomb> keyboards just don't taste as good since RoHS
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[21:44:03] <Ouroboro> on a related note, ipod earphones are crap
[21:46:30] <Guest57780> please how can i restart sound deamon
[21:49:19] <Guest57780> no answer i think the people sleep acuse diferent or time
[21:50:23] <kim0> reboot ? :)
[21:50:52] <Guest57780> kim0: but i'm in UNIX base i'm not in win baby
[21:51:02] <Ouroboro> heh
[21:51:12] <kim0> hehe
[21:53:35] <Guest57780> kim0: i don't know why in win if we instll something we reboot and we wast time
[21:54:17] <Guest57780> please modprbe in opensolaris ?
[21:54:18] <oxygene> Guest57780: because that's the only way to make sure that it will still work after a scheduled reboot
[21:54:23] <oxygene> Guest57780: "modload"
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[21:54:40] <Guest57780> oxygene: thank you very much
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[21:57:19] <Guest57780> pff i need time to understand that OS very good
[21:57:31] <Guest57780> difrent from Linux at all
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[21:59:17] <CIA-52> John Forte <John.Forte at Sun dot COM>: 6759927 usr/src/uts/intel/nskern/nsc_asm.s should not generate its own assym.h (fix lint)
[21:59:48] <Guest57780> i'm sorry if i give you this shit question , hope that you understand my situation
[22:00:09] <ninjaslim> is Solaris meant to be integrated tightly with Gnome?
[22:00:16] <ninjaslim> or is it developed that way
[22:01:18] <CosmicDJ> ninjaslim: now that CDE is marked as EOL, GNOME will be the default solaris desktop
[22:01:51] <Ouroboro> shit, i was just looking forward to learning CDE :/
[22:01:54] <ninjaslim> CosmicDJ: interesting...the default Solaris Gnome seems like it has Solaris-specific add-ons, it's not vanilla
[22:02:00] <holcomb> i like gnome.  please don't hurt me.
[22:02:03] <Guest57780> i hope that they'll let Gnome as default
[22:02:19] <ninjaslim> Gnome is ok nothing special
[22:02:22] <CosmicDJ> ninjaslim: well they call it Java Desktop, right?
[22:02:33] <alanc> Guest57780: GNOME has been the default in Solaris since Solaris 10 shipped in 2005
[22:02:43] <ninjaslim> CosmicDJ: yeah they do, but i'm not sure if that's just marketing or marks actual differences
[22:02:57] <alanc> they're dropping the Java Desktop name over time, going back to just plain GNOME
[22:02:58] <ninjaslim> between standard gnome and the one in Solaris
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[22:03:06] <CosmicDJ> ninjaslim: it's different, just look at the trusted extensions for gnome stuff
[22:03:39] <ninjaslim> CosmicDJ: i haven't looked at that, but i actually seemed to like it which is why i was wondering otherwise Gnome on other Unixes was horrible
[22:03:41] <glance> i like that sun is branding things with "Java" that isn't even close to java.
[22:03:54] <CosmicDJ> hehe
[22:03:56] <jbk> glance: old habits die hard
[22:03:59] <alanc> but if you think it's got Solaris-specific features now just wait until you see the next build....  8-)   http://blogs.sun.com/erwann/entry/zfs_on_the_desktop_zfs
[22:04:08] <kim0> Any storage geeks here? I would really like to compare netapp FAS vs EMC Celeras .. please ping me
[22:04:31] <CosmicDJ> kim0: both suck, buy a thumper ;)
[22:04:35] <jbk> :)
[22:04:42] <kim0> :)
[22:04:54] <Ouroboro> CosmicDJ: how will he store files on a motorcyle? *confused*
[22:05:07] <ninjaslim> oh wow this is like time machine
[22:05:10] <kim0> Let's delay discussing thumpers :)
[22:05:24] <kim0> Is any of those really better than the other
[22:05:30] <kim0> given the same disks
[22:05:35] <jbk> well IIRC celera is just a linux box that still has to attach to a back end emc array
[22:05:56] <kim0> jbk: Yeah .. the whole thing is what they call NS20 I think
[22:05:58] <CosmicDJ> kim0: well if the hardware is mostly the same, you'll have to look at the service offerings...
[22:06:09] <jbk> i don't know though if EMC are pricks about managing the config as they are with their arrays
[22:06:25] <kim0> In my country ... EMC service is much better it seems
[22:06:27] <holcomb> that snapshot thing is super cool
[22:06:29] <jbk> 'unless you go throuhg 34534534 classes, we MUST do all storage mapping changes'
[22:06:33] <holcomb> needs a better icon though
[22:06:36] <kim0> holcomb: EMCs ?
[22:06:44] <jbk> 'don't even speak about it'
[22:06:46] <holcomb> no, re: alanc
[22:07:01] <alanc> pretty much what half the comments on erwann's blog say "This is awesome, but the icon sucks"
[22:07:08] <kim0> Well ... the hardware is the same, service is best with EMC
[22:07:14] <holcomb> haha didn't get that far.  reading now
[22:07:15] <kim0> what I'm worried about .. is the software
[22:07:25] <kim0> netapp data-ontap .. vs EMC's dart
[22:07:33] <Guest57780> please how to know the Programe that use OSS ?
[22:07:44] <Guest57780> cause i have device busy
[22:07:51] <kim0> the pre-sales guys from each company were killing the other company :)
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[22:08:16] <kim0> discussing copy on write wows for EMC and defragmentation and performance wows on netapp
[22:08:21] <kim0> I became confused :)
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[22:08:48] <jbk> honestly with my experiences with EMC, the less you deal with them, the better you are
[22:09:08] <kim0> jbk: coz of their service or product ?
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[22:09:22] <jbk> service, conduct, attitude
[22:09:24] <Ouroboro> Guest57780: just reboot already
[22:09:57] <jbk> and their prices aren't great
[22:10:20] <kim0> well ... I am really only interested in comparing their product hardware+software vs netapps
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[22:10:20] <Guest57780> Ouroboro: i reboot but whe i play smething i can't replay anything after
[22:10:50] <Ouroboro> hm
[22:10:54] <kim0> jbk: did u use a netapp as well ?
[22:11:01] <kim0> jbk: is anyone technically better ?
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[22:11:05] <jbk> i do now
[22:11:26] <jbk> well netapp, if you have have a brain, you can sit down and use it
[22:11:59] <jbk> EMC, half the time, they would even let you talk about doing anything yourself unless you've been to many very expensive training classes
[22:12:33] <kim0> "let" me ... it's my box !
[22:12:48] <jbk> EMC doesn't care :)
[22:12:58] <CosmicDJ> a second opinion never hurts ;)
[22:13:01] <kim0> why r u asking for a permission
[22:13:02] <CosmicDJ> argh
[22:13:09] <jbk> that's EMC's attitude
[22:13:18] <kim0> jbk: why not go adn do it
[22:13:31] <jbk> then they won't support you
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[22:14:00] <kim0> jbk: so everytime you create a volume or change a quota .. you have to call them!
[22:14:15] <jbk> not sure with the celera, but their backend arrays, yes
[22:14:22] <jbk> if you want to allocate or map luns
[22:14:28] <jbk> unless you go to all sorts of classes
[22:14:39] <sickness> showertime!
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[22:14:45] <jbk> so i wouldn't be surprised if they do the same thing no their NAS appliance
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[22:15:02] <kim0> jbk: back to technically ... would you say their products are as good as netapps ?
[22:15:33] <jbk> hard to say, netapp's really got the nas piece down pretty well
[22:15:45] <_mary_kate_> who wants a good product from a crap company? ;)
[22:16:27] <kim0> hehe .. well netapp does not have a local presence in my country .. while EMC has 7 partners
[22:16:40] <kim0> so this point goes to EMC
[22:16:42] <jbk> what country?
[22:16:47] <kim0> Egypt
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[22:18:00] <kim0> I'm just worried whether data-on-tap is light years ahead of EMC's system or something
[22:18:05] <kim0> having never used neither
[22:18:20] <kim0> if they're technical comparable .. that's enough for me to know
[22:18:50] <kim0> And I basically don't wanna believe a word from what the sales guys are telling me :)
[22:20:32] <sickness> kim0: not listening to the sales guys is always a good thing to do in the first place >:)
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[22:21:08] <kim0> hehe .. especially when they get technical and try to shoot competitor's copy-on-write and defrag algorithms
[22:21:46] <sickness> well that doesn't matter a lot for the final user anyway ;)
[22:22:41] <kim0> well .. it would matter in terms of performance
[22:22:46] <kim0> at the end of the day
[22:22:49] <Ouroboro> its not like the sales guy have any idea what they are talking about anyway
[22:23:36] <kim0> Yep
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[22:25:19] <CosmicDJ> he will return, I'm sure :)
[22:25:51] <CosmicDJ> ww... I think I'll go to bed now...
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[22:27:43] <cyberkni> How do I deny access via nfs with sec=none?
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[22:28:21] <sickness> you unshare? or chmod a-rwx ? :/
[22:29:08] <cyberkni> sickness: the share is exported with sec=krb5 too
[22:29:33] <sickness> kerberos is too difficult for me sorry :/
[22:30:09] <CosmicDJ> cyberkni: so you're sharing with sec=none,krb5 ?
[22:30:35] <cyberkni> CosmicDJ: It seems that my server is not denying access when cliets try to access with sec=none
[22:30:59] <cyberkni> I'm trying to explictly disable access when a client uses sec=none
[22:33:45] <CosmicDJ> cyberkni: well if you're sharing with sec=krb5 only, they shouldn't be able to connect...
[22:34:22] <cyberkni> CosmicDJ: I also have sec=sys settings for the same export
[22:35:03] <cyberkni> CosmicDJ: so sec=sys,rw=masterhost,sec=krb5,rw=@subnet
[22:37:55] <cyberkni> With those settings clients can mount with sec=none
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[22:38:59] <Asako> will jailtime images work for installing a branded zone?
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[22:40:21] <CosmicDJ> cyberkni: man nfssec -> Note that mount_nfs(1M) and automount(1M)   do   not  support  sec=none  at  this  time." hhhmmm
[22:41:25] <sickness> mmm
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[22:42:55] <Asako> I'm tempted to set up a branded zone on my workstation
[22:44:29] <CosmicDJ> Asako: if you want to use anything other than what's supported, you're on your own...
[22:44:50] <Asako> it would be centos 3.9
[22:46:17] <h3sp4wn> Easiest way to do that is use the tar.bz2 thats on the brandz download part and then upgrade with yum
[22:46:27] <Guest57780> e^ipi: what's the sound card that you use ??
[22:46:46] <cyberkni> CosmicDJ: This is a share_nfs issue i think
[22:46:48] <h3sp4wn> Or you could fix up support for centos 3.9
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[22:47:57] <h3sp4wn> Or Install centos 3.8 and then upgrade it (Probably hard to find those ISO's though now) - /usr/lib/brand/lx/distros/centos38.distro exists
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[22:48:35] <Asako> hmm
[22:48:42] <Asako> we run a mirror so isos are easy
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[22:49:30] <CosmicDJ> cyberkni: hm do you think setting anon to -1 might help?
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[22:50:51] <h3sp4wn> Asako: Could be as simple as just fixing the serial number and copying /usr/lib/brand/lx/distros/centos38.distro to /usr/lib/brand/lx/distros/centos39.distro
[22:51:40] <Guest57780> please what's the sound card that you use and that work very good with opensolaris
[22:52:19] <e^ipi> i use an audigy2 *shrug*
[22:52:28] <Asako> h3sp4wn, yeah, I'll look into it
[22:53:00] <Ouroboro> hm, whats the deal with reconfiguration boots?
[22:53:16] <e^ipi> rescan the hardware
[22:53:32] <Ouroboro> this is necessary for USB devices?
[22:53:41] <e^ipi> no
[22:53:57] <Guest57780> e^ipi: cause HDA doesn't Work perfect
[22:54:10] <e^ipi> okay
[22:54:53] <Ouroboro> "After building, install Apcupsd as root using 'make install', then perform a reconfigure boot ('reboot -- -r'). During installation, Apcupsd will automatically configure your USB subsystem to attach APC USB devices to the ugen driver."
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[22:55:15] <Guest57780> e^ipi: doesn the dvloper will repear that in Futur ?
[22:55:25] <e^ipi> Guest57780: patches welcome.
[22:55:34] <e^ipi> Ouroboro: huh... *shrug* that's weird
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[22:55:42] <Ouroboro> e^ipi: i guess it wont hurt
[22:55:53] <e^ipi> maybe they monkey with the driver aliases or something
[22:56:01] <oxygene> they probably do, yes
[22:56:32] <Guest57780> e^ipi: no i don't want n i'll wait for good driver
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[22:58:23] <Guest57780> pfff my OS it's Deaf now
[22:58:38] <e^ipi> heya benr
[22:58:41] <benr> howde.
[22:59:12] <e^ipi> how goes?
[22:59:22] <CIA-52> Daniel OpenSolaris Anderson <opensolaris at drydog dot com>: 6750027 UNIX03/UNIX98: *vsx* /usr/include/sys/byteorder.h exposes non-standard symbols ntohll and htonll
[23:00:04] <Asako> 1183481702.842473 there's the serial for 3.9
[23:00:07] <benr> e^ipi, pretty well... just trying to get my head together.  Too much going on as usual.
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[23:00:57] <Asako> the Server cd any way
[23:01:02] <e^ipi> yeah, usually things go
[23:01:27] <e^ipi> being a teenager is fun because you can spend a week in bed and not much changes
[23:02:06] <benr> ya.... but parents sucked, so I'm not going back. ;)
[23:02:12] <e^ipi> heh
[23:02:17] <Guest57780> i can't play Metallica nbow
[23:02:20] <Guest57780> now*
[23:02:22] <e^ipi> you going to svosug next week?
[23:02:23] <benr> I have trouble seperating what I need to do, from what I want to do...
[23:02:34] <benr> e^ipi, no... not worth the drive.
[23:02:42] <benr> I'm 1hr away from SCA now...
[23:02:44] <e^ipi> *nod*
[23:02:47] <benr> only worth it if there is a good speaker.
[23:03:13] <e^ipi> i've never been but i'm out in that neighbourhood next week so i'll show up for kicks anyways
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[23:03:42] <benr> I think they are gonna be doing electronics projects.
[23:03:50] <jbk> heh.. even the 'not good' ones tend to be better than the ones use not in the 'holy land' get :)
[23:04:04] <benr> this is true.
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[23:04:12] <jbk> not that they're bad, but you tend not to get any real technical people
[23:04:15] <benr> I think FrontRange has the best speakers hands down....
[23:04:26] <benr> but thats because its Storage HQ and I'm a storage guy.
[23:04:43] <benr> for the first 2 years SVOSUG had all the best speakers.... but we burned through 'em all.
[23:06:34] <Guest57780> i have solution
[23:06:49] <Guest57780> can you add ASLA
[23:08:03] <ninjaslim> what is ASLA
[23:08:08] <e^ipi> the advaced LINUX sound architecture
[23:08:09] <e^ipi> ...
[23:08:14] <e^ipi> no... it's not linux...
[23:08:31] <e^ipi> OSS works reasonably well
[23:08:42] <e^ipi> if you have problems, email 4front and they can help you fix them
[23:09:33] <mikefut> Hi
[23:09:43] <e^ipi> Guest57780: have you tried OSS ?
[23:09:54] <mikefut> can somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong? :)
[23:10:02] <e^ipi> ( i was just guessing that you had, i could be wrong )
[23:10:10] <Guest57780> e^ipi: that what i treid i install like in oepnsolaris forum
[23:10:13] <mikefut> I have an FTP server over NFS
[23:10:29] <Guest57780> e^ipi: it work and it stop
[23:11:21] <mikefut> but I also see that FTP creates folders under mount point instead of NFS server, what's wrong?
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[23:13:28] <seanmcg> mikefut, you started the server before the mountpoint got mounted. ?
[23:13:38] <Asako> yeah, I got cent 3.9 to install
[23:13:42] <e^ipi> Guest57780: okay, send 4front a bug, they may know about it or they may not
[23:13:52] <Asako> Installing zone 'lx-zone' from
[23:13:52] <Asako>   ISO "/export/centos/CentOS-3.9-server-i386.iso".
[23:13:54] <Asako> bam
[23:13:55] <Ouroboro> in this apcupsd tutorial it says to add commands to /sbin/rc0 that remove power after the file systems are unmounted... however, in nevada there are no unmount commands in /sbin/rc0?
[23:13:57] <Guest57780> Guest57780: yes i treid it
[23:14:20] <Guest57780> e^ipi: ok i'll now
[23:14:20] <_mary_kate_> Asako: 3.9 is the same as installing 3.8 and updating it, right?
[23:14:56] <Asako> yeah
[23:15:03] <Asako> saves time from updating
[23:15:15] <mikefut> seanmcg: well... I hope so... also the mountpoint  is under automounter, so I expected it'll not allow to create the files underneath
[23:16:10] <seanmcg> mikefut, that depends on the permissions on the mountpoint, nothing to do with the automounter (which is just doing as told :)
[23:16:27] <seanmcg> I've seen webservers do similar things with automounter.
[23:17:14] <mikefut> seanmcg: so in general it happens because nfs server was not ready before I've mounted the share on client?
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[23:17:59] <seanmcg> the ftp server started, then the mountpoint got mounted... but between them the ftp wrote the files before the mount was .. mounted.
[23:18:19] <Guest57780> e^ipi: thank you i think that i'm noisy
[23:18:28] <Ouroboro> Guest57780: can you change your nick?
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[23:18:54] <Metallica> Ouroboro: and now
[23:18:57] <mikefut> seanmcg: ok thanks
[23:19:07] <Ouroboro> Metallica: slightly better :0
[23:19:47] <Metallica> Ouroboro: 100% better
[23:19:54] <mikefut> seanmcg: is there any way to prevent this?
[23:20:08] <Metallica> Ouroboro: do you want heavy "tallica gives you heavy baby
[23:20:29] <seanmcg> don't have the ftp server serving to an automount point ?-)
[23:21:02] <seanmcg> or mount the mountpoint statically instead of via automount
[23:21:06] <Ouroboro> Metallica: yeah, the music good, but i dont like their piracy philosophy
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[23:22:01] <Metallica> Ouroboro: hehe cause lars want money
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[23:24:15] <Asako> hmm, mkinitrd failed
[23:24:21] <Ouroboro> hehe
[23:24:29] <Asako> ERROR: Unable to locate some needed packages:
[23:24:29] <Asako>    Glide3 gettext glibc-headers glibc-kernheaders indexhtml lynx units
[23:24:46] <mikefut> seanmcg: well... I have it manually monted before but noticed the files before I've set up the automounter
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[23:27:11] <seanmcg> mikefut, still sounds like there was an ftp to that directory before the manual nfs mount
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[23:28:53] <mikefut> seanmcg: it's less likely - I've noticed the files were created on different days and for sure I' haven't neither stopped the NFS server nor unmounted the share
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[23:35:05] <Metallica> what's the goal of Solaris's devlopers when they make Solaris ?
[23:35:44] <Ouroboro> is it possible to apply umask when running 'tar x' as root (to mimic non-root behavior)?
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[23:39:53] <Metallica> anyone interstingabout my question
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[23:44:57] <seanmcg> mikefut, ok, thats odd then..
[23:45:36] <mikefut> seanmcg: :)
[23:46:08] <oxygene> Metallica: create a useful operating system, probably
[23:46:17] <alanc> Metallica: to create a product that customers want to use - with such a vague question, it's hard to give a better answer
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[23:46:35] <johannes> i have virtualbox and two images a "new" and an "old" system, without the attached "old" disk I can boot the new system, as soon as i attach the "old" disk grub complains about "bootfs rpool/ROOT/opensoalris" havin "Error 30: Invalid argument"
[23:46:53] <johannes> removing the "old" disk and I can boot the "new" system again ...
[23:47:23] <alanc> (and since you said Solaris, not OpenSolaris, to create a product that Sun can convince customers is worth them giving Sun money for, in hardware, support, training, services, etc.)
[23:47:29] <Metallica> alanc Ouroboro thank you
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[23:49:18] <johannes> (old is snv_96, new is snv_99 if that matters...)
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[23:57:03] <Asako> Installation of CentOS to zone
[23:57:03] <Asako>   'lx-zone' completed Thu Oct 16 17:44:16 EDT 2008.
[23:57:05] <Asako> w00t
[23:57:11] <Asako> anybody want my distro file?
[23:59:03] <Doc> lee-nux? what's that?
[23:59:19] <CIA-52> Mark Logan <Mark.Logan at Sun dot COM>: 6572361 trash zeroes at the end of bootenv.rc causing eeprom to spin forever, 6448117 eeprom damages /boot/solaris/bootenv.rc when \n is supplied for value
[23:59:21] <CIA-52> Richard Bean <Richard.Bean at Sun dot COM>: 6560807 common drivers should not use SCCS keywords in user-visible strings
[23:59:47] <Ouroboro> Asako: does it come with any good backdoors?





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