[00:03:42] <nachox> alanc, and i suppose there is noone working in porting those old drivers as it makes little sense, right?
[00:03:57] <the_unmaker> hey anyone here care to tell me a bit mroe about hardare threads on sun niagra?
[00:04:05] <the_unmaker> like what tehy mean/can do
[00:04:05] <_mary_kate_> nachox: afaik, those old cards are used in many still-supported desktop sparcs
[00:04:19] <_mary_kate_> there was much consternation when sun announced they won't be supported anymore
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[00:05:06] <benley> what old cards?
[00:05:32] * benley searches scrollback and draws a blank
[00:05:42] <Ouroboro> the_unmaker: read the niagara paper?
[00:06:06] <e^ipi> or the wikipedia page
[00:06:29] <benley> .... xorg doesn't support creator3d and the like?
[00:06:41] <Ouroboro> hm, so i am getting this from installgrub: Partition 0 of the disk has an incorrect offset.... what's an incorrect offset?
[00:07:37] <e^ipi> or the wikipedia page about "simultaneous multithreading" in general
[00:07:58] <nachox> _mary_kate_, that they are supported means they have to release fox for s10, not that they have to port anything i think
[00:08:08] <nachox> *fixes
[00:08:22] <_mary_kate_> nachox: by 'supported' i mean that solaris runs on them, and people use them, and now those people can't get any new X features
[00:08:30] <_mary_kate_> because they won't work any longer in Xorg
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[00:13:43] <nachox> niagras do not even have graphic cards anymore... :)
[00:14:06] <hali> hm, xorg runs fins
[00:14:13] <hali> just not on a local fb
[00:14:23] <hali> xdmcp etc is ok
[00:14:29] <Ouroboro> hm, no google hits for this "incorrect offset" error
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[00:16:01] <jbk> heh i do wonder if i know anyone at the sun office in that building..
[00:16:37] <the_unmaker> hmm
[00:16:44] <the_unmaker> niagra 2 seems hot
[00:20:11] <Ouroboro> so according to the installgrub source, it thinks that slice 0 starts at sector 0... according to prtvtoc, this is clearly not the case
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[00:27:18] <storycrafter> hey e^ipi, how about a mips port?
[00:28:05] <e^ipi> the way I see it, every port increases the portability of the OS, so i'm all for it
[00:28:17] <e^ipi> but there's still the same problem the PPC port has of a platform
[00:28:31] <e^ipi> it has to be cheap and plentiful enough that people can go for it
[00:28:47] <e^ipi> however, mips has a hell of a lot more emulators than PPC so it may be tenable in that regard
[00:28:59] <e^ipi> ( for that matter you can bang out a mips emulator in a couple days )
[00:29:39] <the_unmaker>  pfexec pkg image-update so this updates me to the latest kernel etc?
[00:30:10] <e^ipi> yes
[00:30:59] <storycrafter> this was sort of my thinking wrt mips
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[00:31:13] <storycrafter> plus movidis has those multi core mips systems
[00:31:32] <e^ipi> mips is also a lot more like sparc than PPC is
[00:31:44] <nachox> the chinese are making some interesting mips developements
[00:31:45] <e^ipi> ( or more accurately, sparc is a lot more like mips than it is like PPC )
[00:31:52] <storycrafter> heh
[00:32:10] <e^ipi> i think at least part of the goal of opensparc was to get the chinese to steal them instead of using MIPS
[00:32:40] <nachox> that would have been useful
[00:32:59] <the_unmaker> really?
[00:33:04] <the_unmaker> that could trouble intel long term
[00:33:06] <the_unmaker> llol
[00:33:40] <e^ipi> yeah, i'm sure they're quaking about it...
[00:33:58] <jbk> one guy told me that at one point at least
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[00:34:02] <nachox> sometimes you need more than throwing more people in to solve a problem
[00:34:02] <jbk> if you were late to work at intel
[00:34:16] <jbk> you sat in your car and listened to the radio for and hour or two
[00:34:19] <jbk> then walked in
[00:34:23] <jbk> because otherwise
[00:34:28] <Ouroboro> e^ipi: i think that ZFS mirror guide is missing a step: create an fdisk partition prior to doing fmthard?
[00:34:33] <jbk> you were assumed late and written up (even the salaried engineers)
[00:34:51] <jbk> but if you came in late enough, they assumed you were at another location for a meeting and wouldn't write you up
[00:34:57] <e^ipi> heh
[00:35:00] <nachox> hehe
[00:35:53] <e^ipi> i'm surprised the salaried engineers even have working hours
[00:36:22] <storycrafter> the interesting thing about the mips port is that movidis wants to make sure that there's a jvm for it
[00:36:26] <e^ipi> not really heard of a lot of tech companies that care when you show up so long as it's reasonable
[00:36:47] <Ouroboro> e^ipi: so i am guessing that i need to start over now since the VTOC is at the wrong sector offset?
[00:36:48] <jbk> some places are anal like that
[00:36:52] <storycrafter> some do, so don't.  here mostly doesn't
[00:37:09] <jbk> at jpmc, i had to be there by 9am, and couldn't leave before 6pm
[00:37:19] <jbk> mostly because of covereage though
[00:37:20] <nachox> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson
[00:37:31] <e^ipi> yeah, i've seen that
[00:37:42] <e^ipi> i want one of the little communist $100 MIPS netbooks
[00:37:51] <nachox> hahaha
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[00:40:39] <Ouroboro> should the fdisk partitions on both drives be set active? or does this even matter
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[00:53:59] <the_unmaker> SunOS opensolaris 5.11 snv_98 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
[00:54:05] <the_unmaker> no now Im really uptodate?
[00:54:34] <bubbva> pretty much. I'm not sure if the newer builds are available externally yet or not.
[00:56:09] <e^ipi> the /topic is updated pretty close to when the builds become avail.
[00:57:04] <jbk> heh now the linux people are claiming that brtfs will leapfrog zfs -- i wish they'd explain how when it's not even released yet
[00:57:20] <e^ipi> jbk, it comes with three wishes
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[00:57:44] <e^ipi> and it's powered by pixies and dreams
[00:57:46] <jbk> 'please don't crash, please don't crash, please don't crash'
[00:57:47] <jbk> ?
[00:58:07] <e^ipi> right, and like a djini you need to phrase it very quickly
[00:58:22] <e^ipi> eg, in your example it won't crash, it'll just delete your data
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[01:01:21] <holcomb> brtfs doesn't sound very awesome
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[01:03:04] <jbk> it sounds like 'yeah, well we're gonna do that too'
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[01:10:55] <nachox> it's only 3 years behind... and counting
[01:11:01] <the_unmaker> lol
[01:11:13] <the_unmaker> <----using opensolaris and lovin it
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[01:12:11] <e^ipi> nachox: no, totally going to overtake us
[01:12:25] <e^ipi> it's got such great features that we don't have like...
[01:12:27] <e^ipi> umm...
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[01:12:39] <the_unmaker> lol
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[01:12:56] <Ouroboro> i just accidentally fmthard'ed the same vtoc to a used disk, can this be a problem
[01:12:57] <nachox> of course they will, they have more man power
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[01:14:10] <e^ipi> well, more monkey power anyways
[01:14:23] <nachox> i wouldnt underestimate them
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[01:15:29] <the_unmaker> lol
[01:15:35] <the_unmaker> distain is awesome
[01:16:26] <nachox> some linux kernel mantainers do know what they are doing if you ask me
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[01:18:26] <Ouroboro> hm
[01:18:41] <e^ipi> yeah, they do, unfortunately they don't have the sort of structures in place to ensure that those that don't don't ruin the whole thing
[01:19:05] <e^ipi> one clueless maintainer can end up stomping all over anothers' careful work
[01:19:56] <Ouroboro> once you detach a device, why might zpool think that it is still part of an active pool?
[01:20:51] <nachox> i think they use a different developement model, it has it's merits, and so does solaris', their time to market is much better, their maturity isnt
[01:22:14] <jbk> and storage and their storage stack has sucked for years
[01:22:28] <jbk> ext3 still has major problems (ignoring preformance issues)
[01:22:34] <the_unmaker> whats a storage stack?
[01:22:49] <e^ipi> the_unmaker: google works here, i presume it works there as well
[01:23:04] <nachox> jbk, dont ask schilly about their scsi stack, please :)
[01:23:26] <jbk> i don't have to :)
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[01:24:38] <guns> hi
[01:25:12] <guns> is there packae PHP for opensolaris or i must install it from code source ?
[01:25:29] <Ouroboro> where does ZFS get the information about whethere a device is in use?
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[01:31:57] <storycrafter1> gang, later.  have a good eve
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[01:59:42] <guns> #openvms
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[02:05:11] <sstallion> evening all
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[02:36:46] <helios> hello guys i just run the live cd and i had no internet connection.Will this happen if i install solaris too?
[02:38:06] <nachox> helios, depends on your hardware, run the hardware detection tool in the livecd, that should tell us more
[02:38:09] <Triskelios> helios: depends on your network card. the live cd doesn't have all available drivers. you should be able to install a driver in it directly though if you can find one (and use a USB stick or something to transfer it)
[02:40:13] <nachox> e^ipi, looks like the linux guys are integrating btrfs (the zfs clone with a name that is a lot less cool) in 2 releases
[02:41:01] <e^ipi> okay *shrug*
[02:41:07] <helios> the system i intend to install solaris has a marvell yukon network card@ a four year old asus mobo...i am running ubuntu without any internet connection problems is it safe to say that that i will have no probs with solaris?
[02:41:31] <Aria> Yukon, eh?
[02:41:37] <helios> yes
[02:41:39] <Triskelios> nachox: there's no indication as to when the design goals will be met
[02:41:45] <Aria> You definitely have to supply that driver yourself, but it I got mine working.
[02:42:24] <Ouroboro> nachox: 2 releases of the kernel?
[02:42:45] <helios> aria where did you download the correct driver?..i suppose you have yukon too...
[02:42:59] <Triskelios> helios: for those chips there's the free myk driver (packaged in SFEnicdrv) or the older proprietary yukonx from marvell
[02:43:02] <nachox> Ouroboro, in 2.6.29
[02:43:24] <Ouroboro> interesting
[02:43:32] <nachox> Triskelios, i know, ext4 was included in the kernel a LONG time ago and it's still not ready
[02:43:33] <Ouroboro> of course i have zfs working now :/
[02:44:07] <Triskelios> nachox: uh, that's somewhat different as ext4 was meant as a playground for new development...
[02:44:41] <nachox> Ouroboro, get used to it, at least for a couple of years
[02:44:56] <e^ipi> they also are leaving out some of the cooler features of ZFS , like the integrated volume management
[02:45:00] <Triskelios> helios:  http://www.marvell.com/drivers/search.do;jsessionid=F2QrLzrdjnvPmTShtSshnSDW5YxJtzQ0Xz1BpGjHnTwc3r1WtXzM!331722042 http://trisk.acm.jhu.edu/SFE/SFEnicdrv/
[02:45:05] <MindDrive> "...and it is expected to leapfrog Sun Microsystems Inc.'s ZFS file system on several fronts".... uhm... exactly how long has btrfs been in development compared to ZFS?
[02:45:16] <helios> triskelios i am a newbie so what exactly is SFEnicdrv?
[02:45:22] <e^ipi> ZFS is more than just checksums and COW
[02:45:26] <nachox> e^ipi, let alone the integration with nfs, iscsi and all that :)
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[02:46:02] <Ouroboro> e^ipi: i think a lot of people would be happy with just the checksums
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[02:46:21] <Triskelios> helios: it's a set of packages of murayama's network drivers (normally distributed as source)
[02:46:27] <e^ipi> knowing linux they probably won't even work right
[02:46:36] <Ouroboro> on the other hand zfs is missing at least one thing that is available on linux (crypto)
[02:46:44] <Ouroboro> at least until snv_105
[02:46:51] <e^ipi> "ensures data reliability , except when it doesn't "
[02:47:06] <helios> ok thanks triskelios and for the links
[02:47:15] <e^ipi> Ouroboro: you can use it right now
[02:47:27] <e^ipi> Ouroboro: you could use it for months as a matter of fact
[02:47:31] <ky-san> zfs on linux is made using fuse. I've managed to get no more than 5mib/s on my laptop (T7700 @ 2.4)
[02:47:40] <jbk> well there's a number of issues
[02:47:43] <e^ipi> it's just not too bright to do it
[02:47:51] <Ouroboro> yep yep
[02:48:00] <e^ipi> when it's putback, it's ready to be used
[02:48:04] <nachox> jbk, ?
[02:48:06] <jbk> the linux storage stack is lacking, so any whiz-bang greatest thing ever filesystem is going to be limtied by it
[02:48:26] <e^ipi> the linux method, when it's integrated, it could be years before you might actually want to consider using it
[02:48:27] <jbk> there are a lot of problems where errors don't get propagated up properly or consistently
[02:48:41] <Triskelios> jbk: the solaris vfs isn't great either, zfs bypasses much of it
[02:48:43] <Ouroboro> jbk: or at all
[02:48:45] <MindDrive> I would really like to know what features they are talking about that are supposed to "leapfrog ZFS".
[02:49:01] <jbk> umm no it doesn't
[02:49:19] <e^ipi> MindDrive: judging by the wiki page it's a subset of ZFS's functionality
[02:49:46] <jbk> but then the other issue is that linux seems to have a habit of copying the form without the understanding
[02:49:54] <ky-san> e^pi: about what project are you talking about?
[02:49:54] <MindDrive> That's what I thought, too.
[02:50:01] <e^ipi> ky-san: btrfs
[02:50:05] <ky-san> ah
[02:50:13] <jbk> zfs uses vfs
[02:50:24] <MindDrive> (But hey, no one ever said Linux developers were humble.)
[02:50:26] <e^ipi> what's wrong with the VFS ?
[02:50:27] <jbk> or rather, zpl is the interface between vfs<->zfs
[02:50:58] <jbk> since iirc, all posix file operations go through the vfs layer
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[02:51:05] <Ouroboro> hm, so i just mirrored drive A to drive B by attaching drive B to rpool and doing installgrub on it, but if i boot with just drive B, GRUB comes up and the kernel begins booting, but the machine hard resets
[02:51:13] <Ouroboro> any hints on where i might have gone wrong?
[02:51:14] <jbk> but it's not the vfs layer even that's the issue, it's the storage stack
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[02:51:19] <jbk> scsi, fibre channel, etc.
[02:51:50] <helios> got the driver for solaris 8,9,10 x86 from marvell's site..hope it works...thanks gyus bye
[02:52:34] <Triskelios> helios: should be installable on the live cd
[02:52:38] <Triskelios> e^ipi, jbk: the fact that the arc and page cache are separate entities is somewhat worrisome
[02:53:40] <jbk> that's tangential, and i wouldn't be surprised if some of that is addressed with the new vm system that keeps being talked about in oblique terms
[02:53:49] <helios> ok i will try it during live cd operation to see if it can be installed without installation...thanks again
[02:54:01] <e^ipi> jbk: whose new vm system?
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[02:54:08] <jbk> solaris
[02:54:13] <e^ipi> huh
[02:54:15] <jbk> there's very vague references to 'vm 2.0'
[02:54:19] <e^ipi> nifty
[02:54:25] <Triskelios> intriguing!
[02:54:27] <jbk> but very little detail
[02:54:35] <jbk> just very small references here and there
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[02:56:17] <e^ipi> ( as far as i can gather sun is a loose coupling of engineering tribes all working towards the same general sort of goal like the original picture of the USA, so it's unsurprising that i'm learning this from you )
[02:57:06] <the_unmaker> i am adding a 1T drive to my box, and want mysql to use it, should I mount it as /var/mysql?
[02:57:13] <the_unmaker> mysql has yet to be installed
[02:57:16] <_mary_kate_> zVM
[02:57:25] <e^ipi> if that would make you happy, then do it
[02:57:28] <Triskelios> actually, the "vm 2.0" stuff makes me recall a discussion two years ago when it was still clearly up in the air
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[02:57:57] <jbk> well the most i've seen is someone mentioning it's name
[02:58:20] <jbk> but it would seem that arc might be a better caching mechanism, so it'd make sence if it wasn't restricted to just zfs
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[02:59:28] <e^ipi> https://opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=195671&tstart=90
[02:59:30] <e^ipi> vague
[03:00:19] <e^ipi> "VM2 is a project to redesign the Solaris virtual memory system around modern computer architectures", either ARC or some Rock transactional thing ( or both )
[03:00:24] <e^ipi> ?
[03:01:13] <nachox> interesting
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[03:01:23] <jbk> i'd love to be able to work on it (as my day job) not that i have any sort of background for it, but it'd be cool to learn
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[03:03:58] <Ouroboro> hm
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[03:04:50] <Triskelios> there are certain changes to the page tables that I am looking forward to
[03:04:51] <nachox> sounds like perf is a nice list to keep an eye on
[03:14:00] <Ouroboro> e^ipi: regarding that zfs mirror guide... dont i need to copy/generate the boot and alternatives slices since they are not controlled by zfs?
[03:14:26] <Ouroboro> should i just run bootadm
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[03:19:09] <_mary_kate_> Ouroboro: the prtconf | fmthard command will copy the existing slices
[03:19:28] <Triskelios> prtvtoc ^
[03:19:34] <_mary_kate_> er yeah
[03:19:45] <_mary_kate_> prtconf | fmthard would do something interesting but probably not desirable
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[03:20:19] <Ouroboro> _mary_kate_: that command just copies the slice table, no
[03:22:51] <Ouroboro> actually i guess installgrub does the other part
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[03:27:24] <Ouroboro> ok, the first 2 MB of c0d0p0 and c0d1p0 are identical
[03:27:30] <Ouroboro> no idea what might be going wrong here..
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[03:29:13] <ky-san> dumb question: I've plugged in a pl2303 based usb->serial adapter. What is the name of its tty and where is it? Dmesg says usbsprl0 but I can't find. And using /devices/pci@ etc is not a good solution imho
[03:29:27] <_mary_kate_> ky-san: it's probably in /dev/term
[03:30:09] <ky-san> _mary_kate_: thanks
[03:32:02] <Triskelios> to use tip, edit the "hardwire" entry in /etc/remote if necessary
[03:32:28] <Triskelios> gnome-session in snv_99 and 100 is definitely borked
[03:32:41] * _mary_kate_ recomends c-kermit for terminal interfacing on unix
[03:32:58] <ky-san> cu is enough for me
[03:33:21] <ky-san> this is what I'm using for years...
[03:34:50] <Ouroboro> can someone clarify what the purpose of the boot and alternatives slices is?
[03:36:07] <Triskelios> boot is to take up space for the bootloader on sparc (maybe stores stage2 on x86?), alternatives are probably spare blocks to remap to
[03:36:31] <Ouroboro> hm
[03:37:36] <Ouroboro> should these be identical on the 2 drives in rpool, or does stage2 reference drive-specific things?
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[03:42:03] <Triskelios> Ouroboro: should be okay if it's identical, if the disks are as well
[03:42:08] <Ouroboro> nevermind, those slices are the same
[03:42:19] <Ouroboro> but there are differences in slice 0 (the zfs root slice)
[03:42:36] <Ouroboro> i assume there is some zfs header information which is not mirrored between the drives though
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[03:45:16] <Ouroboro> when i boot, i see the kernel version message, after which it resets, this means that GRUB at least found /boot and the kernel
[03:45:29] <Ouroboro> but when i load the failsafe kernel, it cannot find an installed OS?
[03:46:44] <Triskelios> was this root pool created by the normal installer?
[03:47:14] <Triskelios> the failsafe expects a certain subvolume structure and might look for certain files present on the root fs
[03:48:21] <Ouroboro> the root pool was created by the installer with one drive, i am attempting to add another drive to it
[03:48:33] <Ouroboro> so i am now trying to boot from *just* that second drive
[03:48:40] <Ouroboro> (to simulate failure of drive A)
[03:49:03] <Ouroboro> i followed this guide: http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html
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[03:53:05] <Ouroboro> perhaps running bootadm update-archive will help
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[03:57:40] <Triskelios>  /boot/solaris/bootenv.rc normally has the physical device fixed, maybe it has to be changed to switch mirror devices
[03:59:37] <Ouroboro> i see no references to hard drive devices there
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[04:01:24] <Triskelios> really? if that's the case I'm deleting the line from my machines since it's always a pain to update when changing controllers
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[04:02:49] <Ouroboro> seems like it, but you should confirm with someone who knows what they are talking about
[04:02:53] <Ouroboro> what do your lines look like?
[04:05:23] <Triskelios> setprop bootpath '/pci@0,0/pci104d,9008@1f,2/disk@0,0:a' for example...
[04:05:32] <Ouroboro> yeah i dont have that
[04:06:30] <Triskelios> great
[04:07:10] <Ouroboro> are you sure thats not just a cached value from last boot?
[04:10:21] <Triskelios> no, it determines whether or not the system is going to be able to find its root pool
[04:10:32] <Triskelios> (or slice if ufs)
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[04:11:05] <Triskelios> there's an entertaining panic loop if it's wrong
[04:11:22] <Ouroboro> but /boot is already on the rpool, so it must have already found it?
[04:12:05] <Triskelios> no, bootenv.rc is one of the files in the boot archive
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[04:13:45] <Ouroboro> hm, where does the boot archive reside? in the boot slice
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[04:14:42] <Triskelios> on the filesystem. grub has very simple read-only zfs code in stage2 that loads to a predefined address
[04:14:48] <Ouroboro> ah
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[04:17:38] <Ouroboro> i guess i will pass -kv to the kernel and see what it says
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[04:18:17] <Ouroboro> already spent like 6 hours on getting rpool working :(
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[04:21:29] <Ouroboro> wait, do i need to change this: findroot (pool_rpool,0,a)
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[04:23:44] <ky-san> where can I change system's default locale?
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[04:27:27] <nachox> ky-san, http://developers.sun.com/dev/gadc/faq/locale.html
[04:27:36] <Ouroboro> yes, that is the problem, it cannot find the root device
[04:27:40] <ky-san> nachox: thanks
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[04:35:55] <Ouroboro> Triskelios: perhaps you are right about needing boothpath, but maybe its in a different place on my system
[04:37:32] <Ouroboro> eh, found this: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6750475
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[04:38:48] <Ouroboro> probably just gonna have to wait till snv_100, 99 is too buggy
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[04:44:27] <Triskelios> I'm gonna try rebooting my laptop without bootpath set
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[04:53:45] <Triskelios> that worked
[04:55:34] <Ouroboro> awesome
[04:56:40] <Ouroboro> yeah, i cant boot with either drive alone now, so its definitely that bug
[04:56:53] <Ouroboro> well, will keep working on other things, then test this again on Fri
[04:59:43] <Ouroboro> and now for something far more painful: installing vista on my laptop :)
[05:00:29] <nachox> why? as bad as the software might be, it's easy to install
[05:01:08] <Ouroboro> well i havent tried yet, so i dont know
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[05:32:34] <the_unmaker> my home box has atapi problem
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[05:34:12] <ky-san> what problem?
[05:35:04] <the_unmaker> one sec rebooting to try again
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[05:37:19] <the_unmaker> I loaded archlinux on this box so box is ok
[05:37:29] <the_unmaker> im trying text console this time
[05:38:50] <the_unmaker> elxl0 failure
[05:39:10] <the_unmaker> atapi protocall error
[05:39:16] <the_unmaker> 0kx7
[05:39:18] <the_unmaker> or soemthing
[05:39:41] <ky-san> did you try memtest?
[05:40:28] <e^ipi> the_unmaker: "it works on linux" is about as useful as "it works on windows"
[05:40:51] <e^ipi> two entirely different and totally unrelated OS's
[05:41:51] <the_unmaker> ok
[05:42:18] <the_unmaker> svc.startd[7] problem
[05:42:22] <the_unmaker> crap
[05:42:27] <the_unmaker> not sure what si going on
[05:42:57] <Ouroboro> since there is no wheel group by default, does this mean any user can execute su?
[05:43:26] <e^ipi> yes
[05:43:35] <e^ipi> however you shouldn't be giving out the root password anyways
[05:43:42] <the_unmaker> crap
[05:43:46] <the_unmaker> should I reboot?
[05:43:49] <e^ipi> you should have discrete roles such that each user is only given the privs. they need
[05:43:57] <e^ipi> read the RBAC man page for more details
[05:44:10] <nachox> Ouroboro, does more in solaris than on linux, it manges roles too
[05:44:34] <Ouroboro> e^ipi: yeah i understand all that, i will be the only user of this machine anyway
[05:44:53] <the_unmaker> funny the second cd drive is blinking
[05:44:58] <the_unmaker> like it having problems
[05:44:59] <the_unmaker> hm
[05:45:03] <Ouroboro> just creating some user accounts with lower privileges
[05:45:08] <the_unmaker> cd is atapi yah?
[05:45:32] <nachox> depends on your computer
[05:45:51] <the_unmaker> ok on reboot i openened bad cd
[05:45:59] <the_unmaker> its not moving so hopefully things better this time
[05:46:26] <nachox> anyway, i'm off to sleep, night guys
[05:46:58] <Ouroboro> later
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[05:48:39] <the_unmaker> 2nd cd rom is running constantly
[05:48:45] <the_unmaker> one without solaris cd
[05:48:48] <the_unmaker> weird
[05:48:58] <the_unmaker> atapi error
[05:49:55] <the_unmaker> trying disk in the 'problem' drive this time
[05:50:23] <Ouroboro> can you get either one working?
[05:52:08] <the_unmaker> no
[05:52:13] <the_unmaker> alloc: filesystem full
[05:52:16] <the_unmaker> damn it
[05:52:24] <the_unmaker> bugger
[05:52:44] <Ouroboro> is this from the installer shell?
[05:52:58] <Ouroboro> also, PATA or SATA
[05:54:50] <the_unmaker> m
[05:54:55] <the_unmaker> yeah from installer shell
[05:55:11] <the_unmaker> I thought ide drive..
[05:55:19] <the_unmaker> I can reboot into linux and tell for sure
[05:55:26] <the_unmaker> this disk worked on a mroe modern box at work
[05:55:28] <the_unmaker> darn it
[05:55:55] <Ouroboro> the alloc: filesystem full error is ok
[05:55:56] <Triskelios> does this machine have enough RAM? the "filesystem full" seems like it's coming from a ramdisk
[05:56:24] <Ouroboro> i've gotten that error even though the FS is clearly not full
[05:56:29] <Ouroboro> so just ignore that part
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[05:57:00] <Ouroboro> regarding PATA vs SATA, i think PATA is much more likely to work, but there are various ATAPI bugs
[05:57:11] <Ouroboro> if you can post a more exact error message..
[05:58:00] <the_unmaker> 768 ram..
[06:00:10] <the_unmaker> old scsi disk
[06:00:15] <the_unmaker> old pc
[06:00:19] <the_unmaker> liek 8 years old
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[06:00:42] <Triskelios> out of curiosity, what CPU?
[06:01:19] <the_unmaker> p4 1600
[06:01:22] <jamesd_> 6502 of course
[06:01:26] <Ouroboro> if i am not using NFS mounts, should i create user directories in /export/home or just kill autofs and use /home?
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[06:02:10] <jbk> jamesd_: CALL -32767 :)
[06:02:12] <the_unmaker> intel family 15
[06:02:30] <the_unmaker> model 1 stepping 2
[06:02:32] <the_unmaker> ...
[06:02:49] <Triskelios> the_unmaker: that should be perfectly fine...
[06:04:12] <the_unmaker> so why this atapi error?
[06:04:34] <the_unmaker> at work I installed no problem with this same disk
[06:04:51] <the_unmaker> this box here at home has the atapi error then a lot of other errors
[06:05:13] <the_unmaker> strange
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[06:07:08] <the_unmaker> unable to create boot backup of /etc/sv/repository.db
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[06:07:13] <the_unmaker> FATAL error
[06:07:28] <the_unmaker> now asks for langauge
[06:07:31] <the_unmaker> in shell menu
[06:07:37] <the_unmaker> itll bomb after i choose
[06:10:24] <Triskelios> you should try memtest as suggested, if you haven't already
[06:10:38] <Triskelios> especially if it's not failing in the same place between boots
[06:11:22] <jbk> hmm assuming a machine supports hvm extensions, which works better for running xp? xen or virtualbox?
[06:12:08] <Triskelios> xen should have somewhat lower overhead
[06:13:13] <Triskelios> virtualbox is more suitable if you just need windows infrequently though..
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[06:16:10] <the_unmaker> damn this old desktop wont be friendly to opensol
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[06:27:09] <the_unmaker> crap I want zfs
[06:27:15] <the_unmaker> on my old shitbox
[06:27:18] <the_unmaker> damn it jim
[06:29:13] <Ouroboro> dont we all
[06:29:29] <Ouroboro> which version are you trying to install
[06:31:22] <the_unmaker> 11.2008 global
[06:33:19] <Ouroboro> what is that
[06:33:47] <Ouroboro> 2008.11 indiana release?
[06:35:43] <the_unmaker> yah
[06:36:24] <Ouroboro> where did you get that?
[06:38:35] <e^ipi> i don't want zfs on my old shitty machines
[06:38:38] <e^ipi> it'd run like crap
[06:38:54] <Ouroboro> the_unmaker: maybe try SXCE, i had more luck with that
[06:41:35] <the_unmaker> :(
[06:41:54] <the_unmaker> ok
[06:42:17] <Ouroboro> but maybe wait till fri, snv_99 has some issues
[06:42:40] <Ouroboro> not major, but annoyin
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[06:45:39] <the_unmaker> heh
[06:45:52] <the_unmaker> I guess I can enjoy my work desktop for now
[06:46:01] <the_unmaker> btw whats best way to shutdown a opensolaris box?
[06:46:52] <the_unmaker> i ended up with shutdown -y -i 0 -g 1
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[06:48:41] <Ouroboro> wow, vista had like 5 instalation options... not sure if that is good or bad
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[06:53:00] <the_unmaker> 5?
[06:53:15] <the_unmaker> shutdown -h now is whhat Im used to
[06:53:16] <Ouroboro> 5 for halt, 6 for reboot
[06:53:38] <Ouroboro> 0 just halts the OS, does not power off the machine
[06:53:59] <Ouroboro> shutdown -h now <==> shutdown -i 5 -g 0 -y
[06:54:38] <Triskelios> init 5 should also work
[06:54:42] <Ouroboro> keep in mind i am only a couple of days ahead of you, so i may be horribly wrong :)
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[06:57:10] <Triskelios> 'poweroff' is nearly instantaneous if you don't have apps running which could lose data =P
[06:57:23] <Ouroboro> hehe
[06:57:42] <Ouroboro> there seem to be a lot of problems with shutdown
[06:57:58] <Ouroboro> for example, every 5th reboot or so, some services hang and have to be killed for me
[06:58:08] <Ouroboro> showmount errors... etc
[06:58:46] <Triskelios> that sounds unusual
[06:59:26] <CIA-25> Alan Perry <Alan.Perry at Sun dot COM>: 6748159 assertion failed:!(hat_page_getshare(npp)), file: ../../common/vm/vm_page.c, line: 2426
[06:59:26] <CIA-25> Miles Xu, Sun Microsystems <Min.Xu at Sun dot COM>: 6754018 Suspend hangs if ftp is on-going through rge0 on Toshiba M8
[06:59:27] <CIA-25> jose borrego <Jose.Borrego at Sun dot COM>: 6758621 Duplication of lines in smbd_main.c that lead to the creation of 4 listeners instead of 2
[06:59:38] <Ouroboro> lol@last one
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[07:03:59] <Ouroboro> so what is the purpose of /root if it is technically not root's home directory?
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[07:04:30] <the_unmaker> 5 is like multi user in linux
[07:04:43] <LeftWing> ...
[07:05:06] <the_unmaker> heh
[07:05:15] <the_unmaker> 'your not in kanasa anymore dorothy"
[07:05:19] <the_unmaker> kansas
[07:06:17] <Ouroboro> the_unmaker: check this out if you havent already: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/documentation/newbie_faq/
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[07:18:46] <Triskelios> Ouroboro: huh? until recently root's home directory was / and /root didn't exist
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[07:22:02] <Ouroboro> Triskelios: ah i see, i got confused by something
[07:22:16] <swank_> hello
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[07:23:05] <swankier> when I run "man -k" on a new system, it fails as there has been no windex indexes made.  So, I run "catman -w" to generate them.
[07:23:22] <swankier> Now, when I run "man -k <something>", I get three answers for each hit
[07:23:28] <swankier> what am I doing wrong?
[07:25:30] <dizko> swankier: probably 3 copies of the man pages?
[07:25:51] <swankier> dizko: this is a default updated install
[07:26:21] <swankier> dizko: do your machines operate differently?  for instance, "man -k utmpx"
[07:26:59] <swankier>       15
[07:26:59] <swankier>        5
[07:29:15] <Triskelios> does the right thing here on snv_99. maybe you have symlinks in the MANPATH in additional to the original directories
[07:30:49] <swankier> Triskelios: did you have to run catman -w?
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[07:31:06] <swankier> Triskelios: did you generate the indexes differently?
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[07:32:18] <Triskelios> I'm pretty sure I ran catman -w
[07:33:05] <swankier> Triskelios: how do I tell if I'm using snv_99?
[07:33:13] <swankier> oh wait.
[07:33:16] <swankier> I'm using snv_98
[07:33:21] <swankier> how do I update?  should I update?
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[07:34:01] <Triskelios> if you are using 2008.05/11, the update isn't in IPS yet. I am running SXCE
[07:35:48] <swankier> so you're saying that this is a bug I've come across and it's been fixed in the latest development release of the os?
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[07:50:13] <Triskelios> swankier: more likely this is a configuration problem or a bug specific to 2008.05
[07:50:38] <swankier> I ran pkg refresh; pkd image-update...
[07:50:43] <swankier> so that means I'm using 2008.11, right?
[07:51:27] <Triskelios> probably
[07:51:44] <swankier> s/pkd/pkg
[07:55:39] <Triskelios> by "2008.05" I mean the opensolaris distro in general (since 2008.11 isn't released yet)
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[08:08:57] <Ouroboro> hm, should the ~/local.* files that come from /etc/skel be copied to ~/.*?
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[08:17:34] <trochej> trochej.age++
[08:17:36] <trochej> Coffee?
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[08:21:51] <xRaich[o]2x> trochej: yes please. congrats on age incement
[08:22:01] <xRaich[o]2x> *increment
[08:26:09] <trochej> :)
[08:31:53] <Ouroboro> tcsh does not use .profile?
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[08:38:33] <mitrox> it uses .cshrc
[08:39:04] <the_unmaker> wow rt looks like a nice tracking system
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[08:39:07] <the_unmaker> Users don't need to do anything special -- they can just send email to RT. RT will take care of thanking them for their message, automatically routing it to the appropriate staff, and making sure all future correspondence gets to the right place.
[08:40:23] <Ouroboro> man, why is default prompt for tcsh always so shitty
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[08:41:24] <smtms> Ouroboro, to force you to customise it
[08:41:52] <Ouroboro> yes, apparently :)
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[08:42:35] <Ouroboro> i seriously doubt anyone wants "> " though.... "%M% " or even "# " would be much more sensible, but i guess there is legacy to worry about
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[08:46:01] <the_unmaker> tcsh?
[08:46:14] <the_unmaker> I thought ksh93 was most advanced shell
[08:46:37] <Ouroboro> who said tcsh was most advanced, whatever that means
[08:46:48] <Ouroboro> i want the most basic shell where tab-complete and arrows work
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[08:47:46] <xRaich[o]2x> tcsh is fine. i just don't like the c-shell syntax and i use a lot of skripting stuff in interactive mode
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[08:49:09] <Ouroboro> so which do you use
[08:49:37] <xRaich[o]2x> right now zsh, but i switch to ksh when i get fed up with  it, which happens quite often ^^
[08:49:44] <Ouroboro> heh
[08:50:04] * ky-san votes for  bash
[08:50:05] <xRaich[o]2x> still the zsh has a lot of nice globbing stuff and pattern matching
[08:50:36] <Ouroboro> well i used bash on linux, but before that i used tcsh on solaris (much older solaris)
[08:51:26] <xRaich[o]2x> i really love the tcsh completion. it's actually usable
[08:51:42] <Ouroboro> it doesnt seem to do multiple completion like bash though
[08:51:50] <xRaich[o]2x> zsh completion just feels over-to-top
[08:52:12] <Ouroboro> s/multiple completion/ambiguous completion in list form/
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[08:53:06] <Triskelios> I can't stand how bash does completion lists
[08:53:28] <Ouroboro> yeah i used to hate it, but now i find it lacking when i use tcsh
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[08:54:00] <Ouroboro> what do you do if you dont know what the file is called?
[08:54:12] <Ouroboro> you have to ctrl-c, ls, do the command again
[08:54:26] <swankier> is there a good document somewhere explain exactly what the minimum number of changes necessary are to make an opensolaris install talk on the network?
[08:54:58] <Ouroboro> swankier: changes over what? if you do it right during the installer, no changes should be required
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[08:55:27] <swankier> do I need to edit netmasks?  do I need to edit nodename?  could I get away with just /etc/hostname.interface, /etc/defaultrouter, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/nsswitch.conf
[08:56:11] <Triskelios> Ouroboro: the way zsh cycles through matches while keeping the whole list visible is actually nicer in my opinion
[08:56:23] <Ouroboro> Triskelios: ah, havent tried that
[08:56:43] <Ouroboro> Triskelios: i can see how that would be nicer
[08:57:36] <Ouroboro> the thing i hate about list completion is that the list remains displayed even after the command is executed
[08:58:08] <Ouroboro> swankier: i am not sure there is one solution for situations
[08:58:27] <Triskelios> zsh clears short lists, too
[08:58:33] <Ouroboro> swankier: netmasks only needed if nonstandard, probably need to set nodename, not sure about rest
[08:58:35] <swankier> Ouroboro: there's not one solution for basic ipv4 configuration?  I find that hard to believe.
[08:58:53] <Ouroboro> swankier: depends whether you use DHCP, what the DHCP server provides, etc
[08:59:02] <swankier> static ipv4
[08:59:24] <CIA-25> dm120769 <David.Marker at sun dot com>: Added tag onnv_101 for changeset 31ae58c8daeb
[08:59:45] <Ouroboro> swankier: your list is probably sufficient, but need to set /etc/hosts also
[08:59:47] <Triskelios> 101!
[09:00:00] <Ouroboro> swankier: keep in mind i just learned this stuff today
[09:00:05] <swankier> ahh
[09:01:16] <Triskelios> you could use a static nwam mapping (http://blogs.sun.com/PlasticPixel/entry/nwam_static_ip_address_for)  for the non-DNS bits
[09:01:55] <Ouroboro> networking seems to be one of the messier parts of the install
[09:02:21] <Ouroboro> i especially did not like the fact that the installer failed to set some things, like hostname
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[09:07:02] <swankier> well, it sets nodename
[09:07:10] <swankier> which, I think, is hostname
[09:07:28] <swankier> I agree, the networking in Solaris (at least the configuration of it) feels very 1990.
[09:08:01] <swankier> (I'm referring specifically to the "subnets" file, for instance)
[09:08:32] <Ouroboro> mine did not set nodename because i chose DHCP, but the DHCP server did not give a name
[09:08:42] <swankier> ahh
[09:08:49] <Ouroboro> it should have asked for a default name anyway though
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[09:09:06] <Ouroboro> on the other hand it *did* ask for a DNS IP, even though the DHCP server does provide this
[09:09:14] <Ouroboro> confusing
[09:09:37] <swankier> how do I disable ipv6 altogether?
[09:09:37] <Ouroboro> as far as the file system structure, its way too many files IMO
[09:09:47] <Ouroboro> much nicer with /etc/network/interfaces in debian
[09:10:43] <Ouroboro> dont know that one, i just disabled it in the installer for nge0
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[09:17:08] <Ouroboro> ok, i am out, night
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[09:22:35] <DTEIT> morning
[09:23:54] <mui> &w 31
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[09:32:05] <swankier> is there a document somewhere that explains what kernel modules are loaded by default (what is listed by modinfo)?
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[09:41:05] <swankier> wow.
[09:41:26] <swankier> add "exclude: ip6" to /etc/system and the machine will panic on boot.
[09:41:29] <swankier> that's.... hot.
[09:43:33] <DTEIT> which tool do you use to manage the patches? smpatch o pca?
[09:44:36] <trochej> I use smpatch
[09:45:37] <DTEIT> i actually used it too in my little solaris experience...but i heard a lot of people using pca...so i wanted to hear some different opinion
[09:45:43] <fraggeln> *Cry* 2 days until delivery of my nvidia card.
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[09:52:31] <mitrox> DTEIT, there is no different opinion
[09:54:10] <DTEIT> i see :-)
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[10:06:49] <sickness> morning all
[10:15:29] <e^ipi> ahoy
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[10:24:14] <DTEIT> i was following this to attache a second disk to a zfs root pool
[10:24:16] <DTEIT> http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html
[10:24:29] <DTEIT> when i tried to install grub on the second disk i got
[10:24:40] <DTEIT> Partition 0 of the disk has an incorrect offset
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[10:36:16] <DTEIT> uhm...looking at prtvtoc it seems one hd has one accessible cylinder less (60794 instead of 60795)
[10:36:23] <DTEIT> but the disks are the same
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[10:59:22] <CIA-25> Brian Ruthven <Brian.Ruthven at Sun dot COM>: 6709590 race between tcp_fuse_output and ifconfig down panics with NULL conn_ire_cache
[11:01:01] <kim0> Um, how do I set a opensolaris 2008.5 hostname such that it still works with nwam ... i.e. the hostname is for the IP I get from nwam DHCP ?
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[11:04:50] <Okona> man nodename
[11:06:19] <kim0> I set nodename and hostname.IFACE
[11:06:33] <kim0> and too scared to reboot ... I don't wanna loose ssh access :)
[11:09:19] <tijo007> kim0: 'hostname mybox'?
[11:09:33] <kim0> something presistent
[11:09:39] <kim0> and that maps to the dhcp IP
[11:09:45] <kim0> so no /etc/inet/hosts for me!
[11:09:49] <oxygene> the last two deliveries of the install project on opensolaris don't seem to ship the source to svr4 package tools anymore.. hurray
[11:11:04] <tijo007> kim0: i'm not sure, correct me somebody if i'm wrong but if you want to set up hostname imediatelly, use hostname command...the rest will be made by reboot and proper /etc/* files, right?
[11:11:23] <kim0> well .. Yes :)
[11:11:30] <kim0> but what's proper /etc/* for nwam
[11:11:39] <kim0> it's not automatic oO
[11:11:52] <kim0> one has to edit the files
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[11:15:14] <swankier> does anyone know why there would be a 10 minute delay in delivering mail after setting the "mailhost" hostname in /etc/hosts for my mailserver?
[11:15:31] <swankier> if I edit the sendmail.cf to put the smarthost in directly, it sends instantly
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[11:57:09] <Okona> anyone experienced slower Ray performance on snv_99 compared to eaerlier versions (snv_93)
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[12:09:40] <Berny> Okona, might be due to the fact that gnome feels much slower on snv_99 compared to snv_95 on the same hardware...
[12:11:22] <Okona> hmm, on the console i did not  experience any slowdown, but it might be that this is only noticeable through a ray
[12:11:54] <Okona> unfortunately luactivate fails when activating the old environment
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[12:19:53] <Davilka> can anybody help with installing os200805 on xen 3.3 domU?
[12:22:14] <trochej> Hmm
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[12:22:24] <trochej> Davilka: Pytaj Estibiego
[12:22:36] <trochej> Ops
[12:22:43] <trochej> Sprry, wrong languag
[12:22:44] <trochej> e
[12:23:03] <Davilka> trochej, try russian =)
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[12:24:49] <trochej> Davilka: Yor nick sounds slavic, that's why I thought you're on polish channel. :)
[12:25:28] <Davilka> trochej, in russian it sounds much better ;-)
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[12:28:02] <trochej> Davilka: I think Davilka sounds the same in Polish and Russian
[12:28:08] <trochej> :)
[12:28:23] <fraggeln> dzien dobry
[12:28:31] <trochej> Wow
[12:28:58] <Davilka> fraggeln, thnx =)
[12:29:33] <fraggeln> Davilka: jak sie masz
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[12:30:14] <trochej> I think we start to be impolite. :)
[12:30:37] <fraggeln> Thats the only polish i know :)
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[12:30:49] <Davilka> fraggeln, i think i don't understand you =)))) i'm russian =))) i speak only 2 languages: russian and english ;-)
[12:31:22] <fraggeln> Davilka: I think it was "good morning" and "how are you?"
[12:31:23] <CosmicDJ> that should cover more than 1/2 of the earth ;)
[12:31:26] <fraggeln> but im not sure :)
[12:31:29] <trochej> Davilka: He spoke Polish
[12:31:39] <Davilka> Okona, can somebody help me with my problem?
[12:31:47] <trochej> CosmicDJ: Except Mandarin,
[12:31:48] <trochej> :)
[12:32:01] <fraggeln> trochej: i know 2 more things, jest niesamowity and jest swietny :)
[12:32:03] <CosmicDJ> *cought* thats the other half ;)
[12:32:05] <fraggeln> I rock :)
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[12:32:10] <Davilka> trochej, i've noticed =) in russian it sounds quiet the same
[12:32:31] <Okona> Davilka: sorry, i never used xen...
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[12:32:46] <trochej> fraggeln: In that case, I speak Polish fluently. :)
[12:32:53] <CosmicDJ> hm anybody with a solaris 10 system here? could you tell me if you have a /var/ld directory, if yes, what's in there? :)
[12:32:58] <trochej> fraggeln: I rock more that you. :)
[12:33:10] <fraggeln> trochej: Agree
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[12:33:53] <fraggeln> CosmicDJ: ld as in the binary ld?
[12:33:59] <fraggeln> or just a dir called ld?
[12:33:59] <Davilka> Okona, sorry, this message is not personnaly for you :-[
[12:34:00] <CosmicDJ> yes
[12:34:07] <Davilka> Okona, can somebody help me with my problem?
[12:34:09] <CosmicDJ> ah no the directory /var/ld/
[12:34:14] <Davilka> can somebody help me with my problem?
[12:34:19] <Davilka> thats better
[12:34:26] <Davilka> Okona, sorry again
[12:35:19] <fraggeln> CosmicDJ: i have a dir called /var/ld
[12:35:31] <CosmicDJ> fraggeln: hm and what's in there?
[12:35:34] <fraggeln> CosmicDJ: pm
[12:36:33] <CosmicDJ> fraggeln: thx
[12:36:38] <feijaiow> Davilka, i've done some xen on Centos...don't know if it will be enough to help you with your xen problem. What is it?
[12:36:40] <fraggeln> trochej: jestem lepszy od ciebie pod kazdym wzgledem :)
[12:37:01] <feijaiow> fraggeln, did you hit google translate? :D
[12:37:13] <fraggeln> feijaiow: nope.
[12:37:35] <Davilka> feijaiow, i was trying to boot from iso on my xen 3.3 and it failed with page fault
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[12:38:21] <feijaiow> page fault? hmm...never encountered that. not enough memory allocated?
[12:38:32] <Davilka> 1Gb
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[12:38:46] <trochej> fraggeln: Jesli masz ochote w to wierzyc, prosze bardzo. Prosze pierwsza ksiege Pana Tadeusza. :)
[12:38:59] <feijaiow> Davilka, ah, well taht should be plenty
[12:39:22] <tijo007> back from lunch...see multilanguage channel :-) well, somebody on czech? :o)
[12:39:24] <Davilka> feijaiow, failed with 2Gb too =)
[12:40:25] <feijaiow> Davilka, sorry, not sure where to go...whatcha trying to install? windows?
[12:40:27] <Davilka> feijaiow, config was copypasted from http://blogs.sun.com/mrj/
[12:40:45] <Davilka> feijaiow, nope =) opensolaris =)
[12:41:13] <phimic> hi all
[12:41:14] <Davilka> feijaiow, windows is already running and feels itself fine
[12:41:18] <Davilka> hi
[12:41:34] <fraggeln> tijo007: Swedish here, but its almost the same crap :)
[12:41:36] <Davilka> feijaiow, much better than os
[12:41:42] <phimic> has the zfs gui from solaris express already ported to opensolaris?
[12:42:13] <fraggeln> trochej: I believe so yes :D
[12:42:35] <fraggeln> trochej: do you have the book as pdf? :)
[12:42:41] <feijaiow> Davilka, are you using AMD cpus by any chance?
[12:42:44] <trochej> fraggeln: I memorised it
[12:42:50] <fraggeln> trochej: impressive!
[12:42:58] <tijo007> fraggeln: you think so? :o) i can't swedish even watch :-))
[12:42:59] <fraggeln> trochej: lend me your brain please :)
[12:43:15] <Davilka> feijaiow, nope
[12:43:25] <trochej> fraggeln: I studied theory of literature
[12:43:34] <Davilka> feijaiow, 2 quadCore Xeons
[12:43:52] <fraggeln> trochej: Im to stupid to study anything, I havnt even finished high school :)
[12:44:03] <feijaiow> Davilka, maybe that is your problem. you have this? kernel = "/platform/i86xpv/kernel/amd64/unix"
[12:44:15] <Davilka> feijaiow, yes
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[12:44:43] <Davilka> feijaiow, my dom0 is Gentoo, maybe it will help you =)
[12:45:03] <trochej> fraggeln: It was rather... brainfrying task. :)
[12:45:29] <feijaiow> Davilka, oh. interesting.
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[12:46:53] <feijaiow> guys, does the Indy live cd always load /platform/i86xpv/kernel/amd64/unix?
[12:47:42] <CosmicDJ> IIRC the 64bit kernel is only loaded after installation (on 64bit hw of course)
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[12:48:52] <timsf> feijaiow: not by default
[12:48:55] <feijaiow> Davilka, it appears that the kernel line for installation might be suspect in your particular env
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[12:49:32] <timsf> kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix -B $ZFS-BOOTFS
[12:49:35] <timsf> is what you should have
[12:50:02] <timsf> your one is trying to boot a paravirtualised version of unix.
[12:50:43] <_mary_kate_> davilka is trying to install on Xen
[12:50:56] <_mary_kate_> so, i86xpv is the correct kernel
[12:51:00] <Davilka> _mary_kate_, yep
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[12:51:19] <trochej> Coffee anyone?
[12:51:33] <tijo007> trochej: no milk, no suggar :o)
[12:52:04] <Davilka> trochej, w/ milk and sugar plz =)
[12:52:09] <fraggeln> trochej: coke please :)
[12:52:10] <trochej> I use milk
[12:52:21] <trochej> fraggeln: You'll loose your bones. :)
[12:52:30] <feijaiow> one mocha please
[12:52:34] <fraggeln> trochej: im spineless anyway so :)
[12:52:40] <Davilka> _mary_kate_, any ideas?
[12:53:07] <trochej> fraggeln: You have future in tasks demanding physical flexibility
[12:53:24] <_mary_kate_> CosmicDJ: /var/ld contains a directory called 'amd64' and symlinks called '32 -> .' and '64 -> amd64'.  the directory is empty
[12:54:47] <feijaiow> Davilka, sorry, i don't have an indy cd on hand...i don't know whether you can look around /platform/i86pv/kernel?
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[12:55:53] <trochej> Wow. I love people sending e-mail in HTML with some undecipherable font
[12:56:13] <feijaiow> borken lookout
[12:56:21] <trochej> Probably
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[12:56:40] <feijaiow> or spammer scum
[12:56:52] <trochej> Nope
[12:57:09] <trochej> Legitimate mail
[12:57:19] <th> well - it saves bandwiths when it's smaller, no?
[12:57:22] <feijaiow> wow, one got through!
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[12:58:44] <trochej> It's not about small font but rather about... wierd oine
[12:58:46] <trochej> one
[12:59:14] <codestr0m> can anyone using sun python confirm they can't import ctypes (has this ever been an issue for anyone?)
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[12:59:46] <th> codestr0m: i always built my own python cause of issues
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[13:03:00] <codestr0m> th: we'll I'm doing exactly that + other bits.. I've gotten glib,gtk,gobject,dbus + dtrace all working in py25, but not sure if I should care about ctypes and other bits.. it came up as a minor issue for exaile.. I have other bigger issues with gtk.gdk.threads_init() which I can't seem to resolve..
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[13:04:05] <th> codestr0m: it seems my requirements for modules where more humble
[13:05:13] <codestr0m> th: can you import gtk and then try gtk.gdk.threads_init() to see what you get?
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[13:06:37] <th> codestr0m: i dont even have the gtk module
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[13:06:58] <codestr0m> th: ok. in the next week or so when I package all my work are you interested?
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[13:07:36] <th> codestr0m: depends on what's in the package - in general: yes. but gtk is sort of not my scope.
[13:07:46] <codestr0m> I can also pretty easily share patches/versions to help you get bootstrapped if you're interested
[13:08:03] <th> codestr0m: i already have all modules i need ;)
[13:08:24] <codestr0m> (which modules are those if I may ask? just core or 3rd party stuff as well)
[13:09:00] <th> codestr0m: btw - i did not remove the sun python. i just added my own python in some different location
[13:09:30] <codestr0m> th: sure.. I have mine and about 100+ packages in /opt/myrepo
[13:09:43] <th> codestr0m: its modules like libxml2, OpenSL, PyGreSQL, libxslt
[13:09:43] <codestr0m> once I'm more confident with my py build I'll then replace the sun one
[13:10:14] <th> codestr0m: i wanted to keep the sun one untouched - and i see no reason for touching it
[13:10:23] <codestr0m> th: is more of your work packaging or was there patching involved?
[13:10:40] <th> codestr0m: the above packages where sort of trivial
[13:11:05] <codestr0m> ok. if there's any non-trivial work you'd like to share I'm all ears
[13:11:22] <th> codestr0m: i used my own versions of libxml2, openssl, etc.. for them
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[13:11:37] <codestr0m> the openssl bit I haven't resolve.. are you using sun cc or gcc?
[13:11:50] <th> codestr0m: gcc
[13:12:02] <codestr0m> yeah I'm pure suncc + x86_64
[13:12:15] <th> that might be interesting somewhen
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[13:12:28] <th> somewhen in the far future... ;)
[13:13:25] <codestr0m> I've somewhat cornered myself though.. I've gotten most of the userland stuff.. and now I need to link into libhal.. yet there's no amd64 lib of it (probably because the whole userland doesn't need to be amd64 :P )
[13:13:57] <codestr0m> so later I have to hack the O/N makefile and see what I can break :)
[13:14:31] <_mary_kate_> it would be useful if there were 64-bit versions of more libraries
[13:14:50] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: you mean in O/N or userland?
[13:14:58] <_mary_kate_> in the ON userland
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[13:15:16] <codestr0m> well. as I hit issues where I can't link I'll resolve it
[13:15:19] <_mary_kate_> and probably the other consolidations, although 64-bit GTK is probably less useful
[13:15:23] <codestr0m> I think that's what sun as been doing as well
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[13:16:24] <codestr0m> 64bit gtk is probably entirely useless and in fact would maybe even just consume more memory, but for consistency and my (rather selfish) goals I'm just doing the whole bit
[13:16:43] <_mary_kate_> it's not useless if you have a program with a GUI that does operations well suited to 64-bit
[13:16:51] <_mary_kate_> for example, it does crypto, or needs a lot of memory
[13:17:08] <codestr0m> how many of those are around?
[13:17:20] <_mary_kate_> how annoying would it be when you find one, and can't use it?
[13:17:26] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: lol
[13:17:31] <smtms> I think GNOME needs a lot of memory :-P
[13:17:34] <_mary_kate_> providing 64-bit versions of libraries has quite small overhead
[13:17:42] <codestr0m> well.. maybe more annoying than me finding I can't link into something trivial like libhal
[13:17:55] <codestr0m> smtms: not more than 2GB :P
[13:18:20] <codestr0m> I'm also probably going to try ditching the whole gnome thing and roll the kde4 work
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[13:18:56] <codestr0m> that needs a lot of testing, but I do see potential gains/benefit for *me*
[13:19:58] * feijaiow salvitates at the thought of kde4
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[13:20:37] * codestr0m hands feijaiow a kde4 livecd installer
[13:20:43] <_mary_kate_> maybe kde 4.1 will actually be useful
[13:20:51] <_mary_kate_> with advanced features like, you know, moving items on the panel..
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[13:21:05] <feijaiow> gimme gimme!
[13:21:07] <codestr0m> my *only* two worries are 1) memory overhead 2) stability
[13:21:22] <feijaiow> HUH? memory overhead with kde4?
[13:21:33] <codestr0m> feijaiow: realize I've never used kde4
[13:22:31] <feijaiow> haha, okay, better not start a kde/gnome war :P
[13:22:43] <fraggeln> opensolaris with kde? :)
[13:22:48] <codestr0m> I've also yet to /play/ with dtrace enough to test it, but I'd like to confirm the py patches I've merged aren't broken. I know I had to add -64 to the dtrace compiler
[13:23:11] <codestr0m> fraggeln: that's why I said for me.. just me.. :)
[13:23:20] <feijaiow> fraggeln, codestr0m is doing us all a great service
[13:23:34] <feijaiow> we need to send him a few crates of beer/wine
[13:23:56] <codestr0m> feijaiow: we'll see and the work is done. it just needs packaging. guys like steleman are the ones who put many hours into it
[13:24:05] <fraggeln> well, no fault in using KDE, i have used it myself a while. just not in opensolaris.
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[13:39:28] <codestr0m> found my ctypes issue http://bugs.python.org/issue2552
[13:41:09] <codestr0m> I like the part where they say *lots of tricky asm*
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[13:41:49] <codestr0m> I have this rather sunken feeling I'm going to be compiling with gcc and then suncc and trying to compare binaries :P
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[13:50:50] <codestr0m> before I spend much time on this is there libffi patches for sun cc floating around?
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[14:09:18] <th> i just added some SATA disks to that supermicro marvel controller... dmesg shows a serial number to me... but i cant get iostat to show me that number
[14:09:34] <th> nothing in iostat -En or iostat -Eni
[14:10:45] <th> cfgadm -v does show the S/N like dmesg did
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[14:11:36] <CosmicDJ> th: do you do a reconfigure reboot? (touch /reconfigure + init 6)
[14:11:45] <CosmicDJ> did you do..
[14:11:52] <th> CosmicDJ: no i did everything with the machine running
[14:12:29] <th> will that reconfigure put some state in /etc/path_to_inst or something like that?
[14:13:08] <_mary_kate_> i'd try running devfsadm before a reconfig boot
[14:14:04] <th> no change after running devfsadm (w/o arguments)
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[14:15:14] <th> so where does iostat get these serials from?
[14:15:59] <CosmicDJ> hm so you did a how-add? ;) I think you have to do smth with cfgadm...
[14:16:19] <th> CosmicDJ: i did hot-add them.. and i cfgadm -c configure'd them as well
[14:16:50] <th> i DO see the disks in iostat -En but i do not see there SNs
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[14:17:12] <th> i do see correct product id and capacity and such
[14:17:36] <fraggeln> th: and the disks doesnt show in format?
[14:17:54] <th> fraggeln: yes - they do.
[14:18:20] <fraggeln> can you label them?
[14:18:38] <th> i just wanted to add them to a pool. hmm
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[14:18:57] <_mary_kate_> why do you need a serial number to add them to a pool?
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[14:19:33] <th> _mary_kate_: i don't. but i want to know that SN later when a disk fails. because seagate wrote the SN even on the hdd-chassis
[14:19:57] <Macabee> th: so you forgot to make a note of the SN before popping the disk in? :P
[14:19:58] <th> _mary_kate_: i could propably just use the cfgadm output - but i'm curious why iostat does not know the S/Ns
[14:20:01] <CosmicDJ> hm I can't type today... "how-add" wtf...
[14:20:13] <th> CosmicDJ: i just autocorrected it ;) never mind
[14:20:24] <_mary_kate_> th: what's wrong with the serial number in cfgadm?
[14:20:39] <th> Macabee: no - and i dont even have a problem at hand.. all is fine - i just dont understand the discrepancy between cfgadm -v and iostat -En
[14:20:52] <Macabee> and why would iostat show a SN?
[14:20:56] <Macabee> its not meant to
[14:21:00] <th> _mary_kate_: nothing it's fine. i'm just wondering about the discrepancy between cfgadm -v and iostat -En
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[14:21:28] <Macabee> the man page doesn't claim it should - -E is error stats and -n is just the 'display name'
[14:21:40] <th> Macabee: well: output from iostat -En: "Vendor: ATA      Product: ST31500341AS     Revision: SD17 Serial No:"
[14:21:59] <th> Macabee: so it writes "Serial No:" so i assume it should write the value as well
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[14:22:20] <CosmicDJ> like this -> "Vendor: SEAGATE  Product: ST373307LSUN72G  Revision: 0707 Serial No: 0452B9SQX0"
[14:22:32] <th> Macabee: and on my X4150:  there is: "Vendor: SEAGATE  Product: ST914602SSUN146G Revision: 0603 Serial No: 081845SEGC"
[14:22:42] <Macabee> on my boxes i see no SN *shrug*
[14:22:59] <th> Macabee: i do see SNs only on my sun boxes...
[14:23:10] <th> Macabee: but you do see them in cfgadm -v ?
[14:23:46] <CosmicDJ> I don't see any SN in cfgadm -v...
[14:23:55] <th> CosmicDJ: is that USB disks?
[14:24:29] <Macabee> in cfgadm -v i see SNs
[14:25:36] <th> for usb disks i see (in cfgadm -v) some rubbish like: usb1/3 connected configured ok Mfg: Western Digital   Product: External HDD NConfigs: 1  Config: 0  <no cfg str descr>
[14:25:53] <th> but for real sata i always see a sn
[14:25:56] <CosmicDJ> th: mmhhh cfgadm -a
[14:26:07] <CosmicDJ> to see the harddisks, too
[14:26:10] <th> CosmicDJ: doen't change
[14:26:17] <th> CosmicDJ: i already see the harddisks
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[14:26:29] <CosmicDJ> I don't see them with just -v
[14:26:30] <th> CosmicDJ: but on one machine i needed the -a for unconfigured harddisks behind a real scsi controller
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[14:28:38] <th> looks like i stick to cfgadm -v later when a disk fails. so i can identify them
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[14:32:04] <ky-san> hm. is there a git package for SXCE?
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[14:41:00] <CosmicDJ> ky-san: there's one on sunfreeware IIRC
[14:46:11] <cypromis> yes
[14:46:17] <cypromis> there is one in spec-files-extra
[14:49:08] <ky-san> sunfreeware.com ?
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[14:50:36] <ky-san> there is one for sol10
[14:51:01] <_mary_kate_> ky-san: use the S10 one
[14:51:15] <_mary_kate_> solaris has backwards compatibility, you don't need to upgrade all your apps just because you use a newer OS version
[14:52:00] <ky-san> that's clear. I thought there might be a package for sol11
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[14:54:41] <m0zzzy> hi
[14:54:57] <m0zzzy> can I have dedicates swap in solaris zone?
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[14:55:24] <m0zzzy> I want to restrict swap allocation from global and have separate swap for zone only
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[14:56:10] <tomww> only rcapd might help a little since all memory is controlled by the global zone/the kernel
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[14:56:29] <tomww> so no traditional-style per-zone swap possible
[14:57:16] <m0zzzy> not good :(
[14:58:00] <CosmicDJ> can't you swap -a a local file?
[14:58:04] <m0zzzy> I am afraid that this is what will stay, because all zones are controlled from global, so memory allocation is also made from global fs
[14:58:28] <m0zzzy> CosmicDJ: tried swap -a inside local zone, got error
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[15:01:36] <CosmicDJ> hm there's a zone.max-swap resource control...
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[15:08:09] <CosmicDJ> m0zzzy: maybe that's what you want...
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[15:09:52] <m0zzzy> CosmicDJ: I got all kind of memory capping in place..unfortunately vm subsystem cannot be dedicated for non-global zones
[15:11:17] <CosmicDJ> m0zzzy: what's your exact problem?
[15:13:19] <m0zzzy> wanted to use dedicated swap inside zone..similarly to dedicated block device
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[15:18:53] <CosmicDJ> m0zzzy: why?
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[15:27:17] <tomww> f it is to limit swap useage, then this should be zone.max-swap
[15:27:39] <tomww> if it is to limit the /tmp space, then this might be done by a special mount option to /tmp for the zone
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[16:26:51] <blind112> hi
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[17:51:35] <_mary_kate_> is there an RFE for 'zfs recv' forcing an unmount of the filesystem?
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[17:54:10] <loquitus_of_borg> Can somebody point out where I can find gcc 4.3.2? It says on blastwave that is available now, but I can't find it.
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[17:58:32] <_RadioHead> hello
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[18:00:23] <loquitus_of_borg> Can somebody point out where I can find gcc 4.3.2? It says on blastwave that is available now, but I can't find it.
[18:03:23] <houst0n-> loquitus_of_borg: Try http://blastwave.network.com/testing/index_cron.html
[18:03:26] <houst0n-> It's still in testing
[18:03:46] <houst0n-> please let us know if you have any probs =)
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[18:04:58] <loquitus_of_borg> Ah ok. Well given the trouble I am having w ith the bundled compiler, I'll take some chances here :)
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[18:05:36] <_mary_kate_> which bundled compiler?
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[18:05:52] <loquitus_of_borg> err... I mean the one that gets installed with pkg
[18:05:59] <_mary_kate_> gcc or studio?
[18:06:02] <loquitus_of_borg> gcc
[18:07:06] <_RadioHead> anyone can help me to install solaris 10 or opensolaris 2008.05 on dell vostro 200? i can`t manage to isntall till now
[18:07:16] <loquitus_of_borg> studio has runtime link issues for me because I am using the new c++ libraries. I do not really understand the issue in detail except that if I do not specify the stllib4 flag (it is something like that), it won't even compile. With that flag, it does, and links. But when I run it, it fails.
[18:07:40] <houst0n-> Ouch
[18:08:26] <houst0n-> That rev of gcc is cool though, it was built using ss11, then recompiled with itself =)
[18:08:32] <houst0n-> Werks good here =)
[18:08:33] <codestr0m> _RadioHead: try to pull the latest respin from www.genunix.org ig you haven't already
[18:08:53] <codestr0m> _RadioHead: is the vostro 200 new?
[18:09:02] <_RadioHead> codestr0m: yes
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[18:10:09] <loquitus_of_borg> Houston: is there any set of instructions on building gcc? I had nightmares last week trying to build it. I would love to know how.
[18:10:22] <_RadioHead> first thing when i got it @ office was to install solaris 10 and no chance: it hangs when i see copyright message of Sun Microsystems
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[18:10:27] <_RadioHead> codestr0m:
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[18:10:32] <houst0n-> I think dennis wrote a forum article on it somewhere.... Try wiki.blastwave.org
[18:10:41] <houst0n-> It wasn't trivial afaik
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[18:11:08] <oxygene> uh.. configure; make; make install usually works for me
[18:11:50] <loquitus_of_borg> oxygene: have you actually tried to build gcc on OpenSolaris? No offence... but I had a helluva time.
[18:11:56] <h3sp4wn> loquitus_of_borg: It is pretty easy
[18:12:04] <houst0n-> oxygene: I've never tried to  compile gcc with anything other than gcc
[18:12:11] <codestr0m> _RadioHead: you can enable verbosity with -v by hitting e at the grub prompt and reading what to do.. make sure to remove all external usb devices.. and lastly give the lastest respin a try.. past that I can't help
[18:12:13] <h3sp4wn> Just do a combined tree
[18:12:16] <oxygene> houst0n-: only did for bootstrapping
[18:12:24] <oxygene> loquitus_of_borg: solaris 10 and sxce - all the time. both native and cross
[18:13:52] <loquitus_of_borg> oxygene: does that include OpenSolaris 2008.05?
[18:14:00] <oxygene> loquitus_of_borg: of course not
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[18:14:28] <loquitus_of_borg> Oxygene: Is that supposed to be obvious to me?
[18:14:30] <oxygene> I prefer to use a system meant for work, not a system meant for experimentation of linuxers that recently saw their first solaris ever
[18:15:05] <oxygene> unfortunately sun diluted that brand, too
[18:16:45] <oxygene> and by "system for experimentation" I don't mean the users that look at it, but the people who create it
[18:17:29] <loquitus_of_borg> Oxygene: Am I missing something here? I asked about building gcc in the OpenSolaris channel. You respond that "it" is easy and straightforward. I confirm with you that you have in fact does this on a particular release of OpenSolaris. You respond "of course not".
[18:19:11] <_RadioHead> codestr0m: u mean opensolaris 2008.11 ?
[18:19:12] <oxygene> loquitus_of_borg: sxce is a "particular release of opensolaris", and it works there (so much I'm willing to confirm). the "opensolaris binary distro" joke of a distro might misbehave.
[18:19:21] <_RadioHead> just downloaded  :)
[18:19:45] <_RadioHead> codestr0m: i read on net that is something related with ACPI
[18:20:09] <_RadioHead> codestr0m: but thx for advice for using -v options
[18:20:13] <codestr0m> _RadioHead: ok.. well then you know better than me.. I have a Dell M2300, M4300 and they work brilliant
[18:20:21] <loquitus_of_borg> oxygene: what does sxce stand for. Am I using the wrong "release" then for my development? I am having annoying compiling issues with 2008.05
[18:21:20] <h3sp4wn> loquitus_of_borg: Those issues are not going to be fixed at all - perhaps try stdcxx
[18:21:31] <_RadioHead> codestr0m: on grub on solaris options after -B are seperated with coma or space?  (i use space on linux)
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[18:21:48] <loquitus_of_borg> h3sp4wn: I do not know what stdcxx is either.
[18:22:00] <loquitus_of_borg> and what issues are you referring to?
[18:22:06] <oxygene> loquitus_of_borg: sxce is "solaris express community edition". it's build from the opensolaris sources (and adds various sun stuff to it), and is available as a free download from sun
[18:22:10] <codestr0m> _RadioHead: I hope someone else here can be more help to you because I'm not able to help debug further
[18:22:26] <_RadioHead> codestr0m: sorry dude and thx a lot man.
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[18:22:41] <codestr0m> _RadioHead: wish I could help.. no apology needed
[18:22:42] <h3sp4wn> loquitus_of_borg: http://stdcxx.apache.org/ that and Sun Studio should be ok
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[18:23:53] <h3sp4wn> loquitus_of_borg: This how to build gcc 4.3 easily but if its your program best to just use the apache stl
[18:23:56] <h3sp4wn> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=293939&#293939
[18:24:46] <loquitus_of_borg> h3sp4wn: so you are saying use stdcxx as my standard c++ library instead of the c++ libraries that come with whatever compiler opensolaris supplies?
[18:25:40] <h3sp4wn> loquitus_of_borg: instead of the sun studio stlport or stdC - use stdcxx (The opensolaris kde4 project already does this)
[18:25:42] <loquitus_of_borg> h3sp4wn: ok. newbie question here but how do I "use" the apache stl, per se?
[18:27:49] <oxygene> houst0n-: stdcxx is the new roguewave library, right? and as such a distant ancestor of stdC
[18:27:52] <oxygene> ermm..
[18:27:58] <oxygene> h3sp4wn: ^^^^^
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[18:29:54] <h3sp4wn> I have only got to the point of compiling basic tests with it - No idea how to get autotools to play ball with it - That is the one
[18:30:17] <oxygene> CXXFLAGS=-library=whatever, as usual
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[18:30:49] <h3sp4wn> Its not integrated that well
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[18:31:08] <oxygene> ah, okay
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[18:31:25] <loquitus_of_borg> houst0n: how do I get this gcc 4.3.2 installed? I downloaded the file from blastwave and realize pkg-get won't install it
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[18:34:38] <oxygene> if it's a package, pkgadd -d filename. if it's a compressed package, uncompress first (bunzip2, gunzip)
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[18:45:50] <Asako> hello
[18:45:57] <Asako> is there a command to list hard drives?
[18:46:18] <Asako> Oct 14 12:46:21 mistakes scsi: [ID 107833 kern.warning] WARNING: /pci@0,0/pci1043,80a6@1d,7/storage@3/disk@0,0 (sd2):
[18:46:18] <Asako> Oct 14 12:46:21 mistakes 	Command failed to complete...Device is gone
[18:46:22] <Asako> anybody ever see that?
[18:46:58] <holcomb> format
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[18:47:14] <holcomb> sounds like the io channel failed or the disk turned off or something
[18:47:32] <Asako> it's a sata drive on a usb adaptor
[18:47:46] <Asako> and how can I mount ext3?
[18:48:25] <hudnix> has anyone gotten a more recent distro than centos 3 up on an lx branded zone?
[18:49:36] <hudnix> I have an app that needs more modern libraries
[18:50:05] <loquitus_of_borg> Houston: is this new gcc4 compiler supposed to go crazy if I build a hello world c++ app with it?
[18:52:00] <oxygene> hudnix: there's a project on opensolaris.org to support the linux2.6 syscalls (lx26, I think). that would be necessary for any linux2.6-based distro
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[18:54:29] <hudnix> oxygene: Yeah, I don't really care about the kernel, just need a more recent libstd++. Guess I have to build it myself...
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[18:57:56] <Asako> mount: /dev/dsk/c7t0d0p1 is not a Linux filesystem.
[18:58:01] <Asako> it is though
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[18:58:42] <CosmicDJ> ext2? ;)
[18:58:51] <Asako> it's ext3
[18:58:57] <Asako> but I'm using the ext2 driver
[18:59:05] <Asako> mount -r -F ext2fs /dev/dsk/c7t0d0p1 /mnt/linux
[18:59:19] <trochej> ext2 driver was integrated?
[18:59:23] <CIA-25> David Major <David.Major at Sun dot COM>: 6758837 message argument substitution
[18:59:23] <CIA-25> David Major <David.Major at Sun dot COM>: 6758841 manifest should be installed read only
[18:59:24] <CIA-25> Ryan Scott <Ryan.Scott at Sun dot COM>: 6749195 empty CD-ROM disappears from HVM domains
[18:59:37] <Asako> I just downloaded it
[18:59:44] <trochej> Binary? :)
[18:59:48] <Asako> yeah
[19:00:01] <Asako> the source won't compile
[19:00:19] <Asako> genunix: [ID 780480 kern.notice] value 0xffffffffc0297280 does not fit
[19:00:20] <trochej> ext3 is essentialy ext2 but with journal
[19:00:22] <Asako> heh
[19:00:57] <Asako> how do I get the system headers?
[19:01:38] <trochej> sxce>
[19:01:39] <trochej> ?\
[19:01:46] <Asako> open solaris
[19:01:48] <trochej> God, I have iBook keyboard
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[19:04:26] <CosmicDJ> Asako: http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/querying_ips_package_contents
[19:04:53] <Asako> http://blogs.sun.com/pradhap/entry/mount_ntfs_ext2_ext3_in this is more useful
[19:04:59] <Asako> but really ext3 support should "just work"
[19:05:15] <Asako> I shouldn't even have to think about it
[19:06:03] <CosmicDJ> can you mount zfs (or even ufs) on linux (rw)?
[19:06:12] <Asako> yes
[19:06:24] <Asako> modprobe ufs
[19:06:47] <Asako> linux is far more flexible on file system support
[19:07:08] <CosmicDJ> I heard the ufs code in linux is horrible and if your data is of any value, you shouldn't even think of mounting rw...
[19:07:30] <Asako> I'm not even sure the driver is still in the kernel
[19:07:40] <Asako> I know centos plus has it
[19:07:42] <Dominic> CosmicDJ: I think the same applies for a few Linux file systems :-)
[19:08:00] <hudnix> :)
[19:09:03] <Asako> yay, I got it
[19:09:19] <Asako> now that I've wasted an hour, back to work
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[19:11:49] <oxygene> Asako: unfortunately, ext3 isn't free, and there's no specification to it, either
[19:12:05] <Asako> there's a BSD driver for it
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[19:12:35] <oxygene> reverse engineered, yay
[19:12:43] <Asako> we have thousands of servers running drives with ext3, it's just nice to access data from my workstation
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[19:13:00] <CosmicDJ> Asako: nfs share/mount them :)
[19:13:01] <Asako> nothing wrong with reverse engineering
[19:13:10] <Asako> CosmicDJ, can't do that when the server is dead
[19:13:23] <Asako> I'm just trying to recover some stuff
[19:13:49] <CosmicDJ> Asako: honestly, I'd do that with linux :)
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[19:13:57] <Asako> I usually do
[19:14:08] <Asako> got a rescue box
[19:18:50] <CosmicDJ> Asako: btw, IIRC the bsd driver is just a hacked ext2 driver w/o journaling support
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[19:21:42] <Asako> yeah
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[19:27:53] <CosmicDJ> Asako: btw again, time to migrate your servers -> http://milek.blogspot.com/2008/10/t5440.html ;)
[19:28:30] <Asako> hmm?
[19:28:59] <Asako> unless cpanel runs on solaris we can't switch
[19:29:03] <CosmicDJ> "server migration" the newest trend in ITt...
[19:29:07] <yarihm> os200805 does not install on parallels on mac, does it?
[19:29:12] <bda> Yes.
[19:29:19] <Asako> we're a CentOS shop any way
[19:29:21] <bda> You need to install their NIC driver though.
[19:29:39] <Asako> I do run nexenta/OS on my personal stuff
[19:29:47] <CosmicDJ> Asako: lx branded zone (though not on sparc :( )
[19:29:59] <yarihm> bda, well, the installer hangs already
[19:30:05] <h3sp4wn> Its unlikely they still use Centos 3
[19:30:09] <bda> yarihm: wfm
[19:30:18] <yarihm> wfm?
[19:30:22] <Asako> we're finally starting to offer Cent 5
[19:30:24] <bda> "works for me"
[19:30:26] <h3sp4wn> (and Centos 5 in brandz doesn't even run apache)
[19:30:39] <Asako> and we use virtuozzo for VPSes
[19:30:56] <Asako> it's just not worth it to change all our products and retrain everybody
[19:31:26] <yarihm> bda, hmm ... here the installer (both methods) hang after "cannot identify UART chip at 2f8" and then says after some while "WARNING: sv: could not allocate sv_devs array"
[19:32:00] <Asako> we're really not a typical IT shop
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[19:32:04] <yarihm> well, i'll try with solaris express
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[19:32:32] <bda> yarihm: Dunno, have not seen that. I use both Indiana and SXCE in Parallels, though.
[19:33:22] <yarihm> bda, well, maybe I've got more luck using sxce ... if it only where not such a huge download :(
[19:33:55] <Asako> I really love zfs though, maybe I can get people to use it for backup servers
[19:33:55] <ninjaslim> hi guys, does sxce come with the BSD userland?
[19:34:15] <oxygene> ninjaslim: there's some stuff in /usr/ucb
[19:34:50] <ninjaslim> oxygene: at the moment i can't tell because i have no access to my solaris box
[19:34:52] <_mary_kate_> the 'ucb' referred to by there is really SunOS4
[19:35:05] <_mary_kate_> an extremely old, obsolete OS, and those tools have been mostly unchanged since then
[19:35:17] <_mary_kate_> you probably want to avoid using them
[19:35:19] <yarihm> ucb kind of remembers me to my good days at the university in berkeley ... >(
[19:35:22] <yarihm> :) that is
[19:35:47] <ninjaslim> but then is there anyway to get aBSD userland on Solaris, i'm not used to the SysV-isms in the command line utilities
[19:36:18] <_mary_kate_> if you just want 'ps', you can use /usr/gnu/bin/ps
[19:36:28] <_mary_kate_> but it doesn't support most solaris functionality, so it's not very useful either
[19:36:53] <Asako> it's easier to just learn the solaris way
[19:36:58] <oxygene> okay, so when will opensolaris come out with an optional linux kernel to use?
[19:36:58] <ninjaslim> i see, guess i'll just have t get used to it then
[19:37:05] <oxygene> gnu ps, oh my..
[19:37:10] <Asako> probably never
[19:37:19] <Asako> you want linux, run linux
[19:37:37] <oxygene> sure, and if you want a gnu userland, run a gnu system
[19:37:45] <oxygene> gnu/linux, gnu/hurd, nexenta, ...
[19:37:48] <ninjaslim> not using GNU period
[19:37:52] <Asako> nexenta is nice
[19:38:06] <ninjaslim> nexenta is ubuntu strapped onto an opensolaris kernel
[19:38:07] <_mary_kate_> oxygene: which gnu system provides zfs, zones and dtrace?
[19:38:52] <Asako> I'm getting more used to OpenSolaris though
[19:39:05] <yarihm> _mary_kate_, well, maybe not zfs and dtrace, but the equivalent of zones are actually quite an old hat on both linux and freebsd
[19:39:09] <oxygene> _mary_kate_: nexenta. besides which: gnu isn't meant to be featureful, but "free" (according to the FSF definition of that word)
[19:39:38] <oxygene> yarihm: freebsd had jails, okay.. linux? chroot (which is something else) and usermodelinux (something else), and virtualization (again, something else)
[19:39:50] <ninjaslim> FreeBSD has jails and chroots, jails are quite powerful administrative tool
[19:40:05] <ninjaslim> jails came to replace chroots or at elast solve most of the problems associated with them
[19:40:05] <_mary_kate_> oxygene: i don't see how what the fsf wants matters.  some people want to use gnu tools on solaris.  other people might think that's a bad idea, but i see no reason to be quite so objectional about it
[19:40:07] <oxygene> okay, and there was some obscure jails-on-linux port that was updated every 50 linux releases, and barely worked
[19:40:08] <defer8> I'm trying to install a 1.5TB Seagate drive on my opensolaris b93 system and am getting read errors, I've tried two different drives, they're both visible from the BIOS, anybody know if opensolaris has problems with these drives?
[19:40:20] <ninjaslim> oxygene: has linux ever worked?
[19:40:34] <Asako> yes
[19:40:42] <Asako> our whole company is built on linux, it's not that bad
[19:40:43] <oxygene> ninjaslim: depends on the definition of work
[19:41:00] <Asako> web hosting industry is mostly redhat/debian
[19:41:13] <Asako> windows is getting more popular though
[19:41:18] <ninjaslim> and FreeBSD too
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[19:41:55] <Asako> don't get many requests for that
[19:42:06] <Asako> maybe unmanaged servers
[19:42:19] <ninjaslim> the thing is that GNU has become one of the major fronts for Unix-like development, so in a sense what FSF wants matters if other Unix platforms want to integrate some of those technologies
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[19:42:43] <Asako> we wouldn't exist without the GPL
[19:42:45] <ninjaslim> Asako: a good portion of the web hosting industry is FreeBSD
[19:42:46] <oxygene> ninjaslim: embrace, extend, extinguish
[19:43:02] <Asako> ninjaslim, I know, just not here
[19:43:14] <ninjaslim> Asako: where is that
[19:43:25] <ninjaslim> oxygene: hehe, fsf/gnu have their own brand of proprietary
[19:43:26] <Asako> liquid web
[19:44:05] <Asako> that blog entry I posted has some errors
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[19:44:19] <Asako> prtpart is under /usr/bin, not sbin
[19:44:32] <ninjaslim> so opensolaris 2008.11 is coming soon
[19:44:45] <alanc> ninjaslim: next month
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[19:45:09] <ninjaslim> alanc: yup, should be interesting to see how much of the goals have been met, of course all devs efforts are appreciated
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[19:45:29] <Asako> one thing that bugs me about linux is how much it kernel panics
[19:45:45] <Asako> and then you gotta stumble in the dark about why
[19:45:59] <ninjaslim> i've had those and on desktops mostly
[19:46:01] * vmlemon_ wonders what Asako is doing make it panic constantly
[19:46:01] <vmlemon_> *to make it
[19:46:07] <ninjaslim> because i don't run servers
[19:46:13] <Asako> question is what our customers doing
[19:46:20] <ninjaslim> lol
[19:46:21] <Asako> they're just web servers
[19:46:51] <Asako> sometimes it's bad ram
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[19:47:14] <Asako> sometimes kernel bugs, etc.
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[19:47:31] <Asako> it's not like I can send a crash dump to centos, hehe
[19:47:52] <ninjaslim> i thought they were good on communit based support
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[19:50:21] <Asako> maybe
[19:50:33] <Asako> the kernel doesn't even produce core files any way
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[19:54:01] <Asako> I just feel bad when somebody asks why their server keeps crashing and all I can say is "I dunno"
[19:54:52] <CosmicDJ> yeah that has never been one of linux' strengths ....
[19:54:53] <ninjaslim> i thought most kernels produced core files
[19:55:11] <Asako> if the option is compiled in
[19:55:23] <ninjaslim> all BSDs produce core files, then you just upload the dump to the mailing list and boom most likely get help
[19:55:27] <Asako> I need to read the docs on that
[19:55:33] <ninjaslim> is the default disabled?
[19:55:47] <Asako> pretty sure it is, I've never seen a crash file
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[20:00:04] <ninjaslim> that's just plain stupdi
[20:00:09] <ninjaslim> well not unexpecte, linuxisms
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[20:04:57] <RavenSlay3r> Hey all
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[20:08:29] <RavenSlay3r> ACL permissions problem - once this file on the network share is created (from a virtual machine), it can be deleted, but not modified -
[20:08:31] <RavenSlay3r> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1227055
[20:08:46] <RavenSlay3r> (ls -V in pastebin)
[20:09:56] <RavenSlay3r> The goal is it SHOULD be modifiable..
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[20:31:31] <RavenSlay3r> As far as I can tell everyone is allowed write/append permissions so I don't see what the trouble is...
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[20:35:36] <Homere> hello
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[20:38:39] <Asako> hi Homere
[20:39:25] <Homere> do you know if lx6 zones works or is a dead project ?
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[20:50:28] <glance> hurm. I have some strange problems with b98 and a dl385.
[20:50:49] <glance> it looks like its unalble to use anything on the pci-bus.
[20:50:50] <mib_srfhva> what a good equivalent to ms paint for opensol? I have a 590k jpg I want to shrink and save so it sbaout 30k
[20:51:35] <glance> when it boots, it allmost hangs at the init of pci and scsi-controller, for about 15-20 min, and then dumps to a kernel-debugger (i boot with -k -v )
[20:51:53] <glance> tested both with a lsi-controller and a cpq-controller.
[20:52:33] <oxygene> mib_srfhva: gimp, if you want GUI, convert (of imagemagick) if you work on the console
[20:52:40] <glance> mib_srfhva: SUNWimagick , convert
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[20:56:32] <codestr0m> is gcc required to build O/N or is something in my env borked.. I did a quick execsnoop and between the sun cc. etc. I see this /usr/sfw/bin/gcc -fident -finline -fno-inline-functions -fno-builtin
[20:59:20] <CIA-25> Pavel Filipensky <Pavel.Filipensky at Sun dot COM>: 6745856 statd has a fixed limit of max 256 file descriptors
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[21:04:19] <webar7> on osol could/should there some easy way to make a zfs tank be "bootable"  ... so that it automagically becomes a bootserver using tftp sever for a specified loader/kernel file  and boot partition and the tank as "/"?
[21:05:16] <webar7> so people can trivially netboot opensolaris and gradually get sucked into using it all the time :)
[21:10:55] <mib_srfhva> pkg install gimp?
[21:11:11] <mib_srfhva> failed hm
[21:11:19] <mib_srfhva> sunwgimp?
[21:13:57] <mib_srfhva> oh crap i hav it aleady fromgnome
[21:16:48] <e^ipi> "zfs tank" ?
[21:16:55] <e^ipi> anyways, yes... you can netboot solaris...
[21:17:42] <mib_srfhva> What is the best way to get dev tools again?
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[21:18:51] <e^ipi> install the ss-dev package
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[21:19:14] <dark_matter> Can anyone tell me the gnome version differences between Nevada and Indiana??
[21:19:27] <dark_matter> Nevada99
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[21:21:29] <h3sp4wn> The gnome in nevada 99 is worth avoiding if you can
[21:22:53] <dark_matter> I noticed that Gnome in snv-099 is different is several aspects, most likely it seems to not work well with the virtual box seem less mode.
[21:23:10] <dark_matter> where as Indiana 2008.05 works well with vxb.
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[21:24:38] <cmihai> Just use xVM :-).
[21:24:53] <cmihai> On compressed ZFS with snapshots :D
[21:25:38] <dark_matter> I would love to have a dedicated system for OpenSolaris work but I don't have the money at the moment.
[21:26:37] <mib_srfhva> grab a 100$ desktop
[21:27:02] <glance> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1227129 <- somethings not right with dl385 and b98
[21:27:32] <glance> but b86 boot just ok.
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[21:27:54] <dark_matter> actually using virtual box and OpenSolaris as a guest has work reasonably well in many cases.
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[21:42:27] <codestr0m> does the onnv gate normally roll or is there ever commits which break things?
[21:43:13] <Asako> why does dmesg take so long to run?
[21:43:58] <Asako> it takes like 10 seconds to show output
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[21:44:35] <steff> Asako: try strace or whatever the Solaris analogue is (I forget and am tired and drunk)
[21:44:44] <vmlemon_> truss?
[21:44:50] <steff> that's the badger
[21:45:09] <Asako> hmm, just a bunch of reads
[21:45:25] <Asako> the buffer must be huge
[21:45:28] <steff> any of them taking a surprisingly long time?
[21:45:46] <Asako> they're going fast
[21:47:32] <steff> weird - are they all on one file handle?
[21:48:07] <Asako> read(0, " i @ 0 , 0 / p c i 1 0 4".., 512)	= 512
[21:48:07] <Asako> read(0, " m i s t a k e s   s c s".., 512)	= 512
[21:48:10] <Asako> etc.
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[21:49:20] <steff> what's it open()ing to get that handle?
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[21:59:20] <CIA-25> Rod Evans <Rod.Evans at Sun dot COM>: 6754965 introduce the SF1_SUNW_ADDR32 bit in software capabilities, PSARC/2008/622 32-bit Address Restriction Software Capabilities Flag
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[22:17:39] * codestr0m *grins* amd64/libhal.so.1.0.0: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
[22:18:42] <alanc> cool, I've been needing one of those
[22:18:56] <codestr0m> alanc really?
[22:19:15] <alanc> had to poke the ON HAL team to deliver 64-bit libhal so we can build the 64-bit Xorg 1.5, since Xorg now uses HAL
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[22:19:32] <alanc> they promised to do it in the next few builds
[22:19:43] <codestr0m> no way.. took like 2 minutes of poking to figure it out
[22:20:10] <codestr0m> pm me and I'll give you my email in case you need small things like this
[22:20:11] <alanc> oh, building it is easy, it's getting through the process to integrate to ON that takes much longer than 2 minutes
[22:20:23] <codestr0m> oh ok. yeah
[22:20:34] <codestr0m> the makefile patch is really trivial you should just submit it
[22:21:12] <alanc> I think one of the ON HAL people has commit access to do that themselves
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[22:21:32] <codestr0m> yes well. why they don't who knows :P
[22:21:51] <alanc> I've been worrying more about getting all the other Xorg 1.5 bits building around it and letting them deal with that part
[22:22:25] <codestr0m> I doubt I'll signed the contributor agreement, but any patches I do I make public
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[22:23:43] <codestr0m> alanc btw.. I'm interested in getting nouveau ported to osol
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[22:24:42] <codestr0m> and by Xorg 1.5 is this part of the fox work?
[22:27:00] <alanc> we've got an 1.5 project gate up under the FOX project, but it's not part of the main fox gate right now
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[22:27:40] <alanc> nouveau could be cool - since we have the nvidia proprietary driver, we haven't been paying much attention to it
[22:27:48] <codestr0m> stupid question, but I still can't understand exactly what the fox project is? I mean is it just xorg that compiles under sun or other changes?
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[22:29:09] <alanc> FOX was about getting the X code base used in Solaris moved to the current X.Org releases, instead of our mishmash of bits from different X11R6.x releases, with various other Sun changes, and about getting the X code bases used in the various distros (Nevada, Indiana, Belenix, & Martux) to be more aligned with each other
[22:29:48] <alanc> the end result should be all the distros using the same X code base, which is mostly upstream X.Org current release with minimal changes
[22:29:58] <codestr0m> ok.. makes sense.. so if I roll my own xorg packages I should use your 1.5 branch?
[22:30:25] <codestr0m> yeah. that's logical. that's what I planned, but I wasn't looking forward to hunting down obscure patches or redoing work
[22:30:53] <codestr0m> if your branch has spec files I'll jump around if it's just a big ugly gate like everything else.. *sad*
[22:31:00] <alanc> if you want code that more closely matches what's going to be in Nevada/Indiana once we're ready to move to 1.5, then I'd say, yeah, use it
[22:31:20] <codestr0m> yeah. I also don't mind helping with trivial bits/testing
[22:31:47] <codestr0m> what's the gate called so I can hg clone it now
[22:31:51] <alanc> codestr0m: sorry, no specfiles, but not far off - it's a hierarchy of Makefiles that unpack .tar.bz2's from upstream, apply Sun patches and then build and install to a proto area, from which we later build packages
[22:32:09] <codestr0m> ok. that's not *so* bad
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[22:33:09] <alanc> ssh://hg.opensolaris.org/hg/fox/fox-7-4-merge
[22:34:25] <alanc> it's still a work in progress - just got everything building last week, need to get the package defs updated now so we can build packages, and then see if we can install and run them
[22:34:49] <codestr0m> hehehe.. I wonder if I could package it faster than you ;)
[22:35:07] <codestr0m> I should keep quiet. I have enough to do already
[22:35:11] <alanc> probably, if you're trying to do fewer things at once than I am
[22:35:37] <alanc> I should be spending more time on 2008.11 release right now, then work on 1.5
[22:36:01] <codestr0m> didn't 2008.11 drop already?
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[22:41:24] <alanc> codestr0m: it's not November yet
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[22:42:36] <codestr0m> you can buy a 09 car already :P
[22:42:38] <alanc> 2008.11 will be based on nv_101, which will be built next week - we're in "fix stopper bugs" mode now, and fortunately, there haven't been many X stoppers yet
[22:43:05] <codestr0m> that's good news
[22:43:42] <alanc> the only X stopper right now is an intel driver issue that our people are working with Intel's on
[22:43:56] <trygvis> hm, I just tried to enable postgresql, but it won't start because it can't bind to 5432, but I don't have any other instances running
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[22:44:52] <codestr0m> alanc: if I'm on a pure amd64 bit build think nvidia drivers will work.. in linux they will, but I haven't looked to see if there's 64bit version on osol
[22:45:37] <alanc> codestr0m: as far as I know - they have 64-bit kernel drivers & opengl libraries included
[22:45:53] <alanc> works fine on my amd64 systems running 64-bit kernel
[22:46:50] <trygvis> how do I figure out if a process is using port 5432?
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[22:47:12] <codestr0m> trygvis: try netstat
[22:47:52] <trygvis> doh, thanks
[22:48:27] <trygvis> sure there is a process using it. is it possible to show the process too?
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[22:49:13] <loquitus_of_borg> People... what is the difference between Open Solaris 2008.05 and SXCE?
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[22:50:18] <codestr0m> loquitus_of_borg: some extra binary bits on SXCE and package manager.. osol is mostly a repackage of SXCE using IPS with some differences.. I don't use SXCE so could be off base. someone will correct me if so I assume
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[22:51:24] <alanc> codestr0m's mostly right - 2008.05 is (mostly) a subset of SXCE repackaged with the new IPS package manager/repository and LiveCD/installer - there's some smaller differences, like different default $PATH and such, too
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[22:51:59] <_mary_kate_> trygvis: lsof, or google for 'pcp'
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[22:52:08] <_mary_kate_> trygvis: (a wrapper around pfiles that's a little easier to install than lsof for one use)
[22:52:24] <trygvis> thanks!
[22:52:31] <loquitus_of_borg> I am having developmental nightmares trying to build code using boost and c++ stl stuff with 2008.05 using the sun studio toolchain... any suggestions?
[22:52:41] <palowoda> trygvis: Ben Rockwood wrote a good dtrace script called ipwho.d which tracked process ports active.
[22:53:03] <sickness> but, after all, wasn't it "locutus" instead of "loquitus" ? ;P
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[22:53:15] <loquitus_of_borg> yes. I spelt it this way.
[22:53:22] <loquitus_of_borg> would sxce resolve my woes, for example?
[22:53:28] <loquitus_of_borg> houst0n: welcome back
[22:53:48] <_mary_kate_> loquitus_of_borg: with studio, you must use -library=stlport4 to build boost
[22:53:48] <houst0n-> Gaaaaah
[22:53:58] <_mary_kate_> loquitus_of_borg: the default standard library is far too non-compliant / outdated
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[22:54:19] <_mary_kate_> but, using stlport4 makes your application binary incompatible with libraries not built with that switch
[22:54:23] <houst0n-> that was ... bleh, nearly had to fire 2 2u boxes in boot and drive to office... who won't let me in OOH without a change rq number etc
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[22:54:54] <sickness> loquitus_of_borg: oh, oki, just joking :)
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[22:55:24] <loquitus_of_borg> _mary_kate: as in I should not be using gcc to build boost and rather sun studio with -library=stlport4?
[22:55:46] <_mary_kate_> loquitus_of_borg: i didn't say not to use gcc.  i gave you a studio answer because you said you're using studio
[22:55:52] <_mary_kate_> loquitus_of_borg: gcc will work fine as well
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[22:56:40] <loquitus_of_borg> _mary_kate_: well, I am building my own software that using boost, using sun studio... with the stlport4 flag... so the question is, will boost built with gcc link properly with something built in sun studio?
[22:56:50] <_mary_kate_> no, they are not ABI compatible
[22:57:28] <palowoda> I thought steleman was already building boost for opensolaris?
[22:57:37] <loquitus_of_borg> _mary_kate_: because I believe what I did last week was exactly that. it did statically link but at runtime there was a problem where the std::string's routine was not being found. some runtime link error.
[22:57:47] <steleman> palowoda: it's already built
[22:57:48] <_mary_kate_> palowoda: if that's part of KDE4, it's probably using the rw/apache stdlib
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[22:58:13] <loquitus_of_borg> steleman: there is a recent version of boost available for opensolaris?
[22:58:21] <steleman> yes it uses Apache Standard C++ Library and that's the library which will be used in OpenSolaris as well.
[22:58:32] <e^ipi> hey, steleman , congrats on the ARC approval for stdcxx
[22:58:35] <steleman> loquitus_of_borg: there's 1.36.0 at cvsdude/kdesolaris/
[22:58:41] <steleman> e^ipi: ty ty :-)
[22:59:27] <CIA-25> Michael Bergknoff <Michael.Bergknoff at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2008/437 PICL Class for Multipath Information Nodes, 6699950 picltree missing properties from multipath bus adapters
[22:59:39] <loquitus_of_borg> steleman: as in is there a way for me to get apache standard c++ and this recent boost installed onto my 2008.05?
[23:00:19] <steleman> loquitus_of_borg: you can build them if you svn co them from cvsdude/kdesolaris, apply the patches, and then build them
[23:00:43] <steleman> but ISTR that ICU on opensolaris.2008.05 was missing the header files so boost won't build with widechar/utf/ucs support
[23:01:03] <loquitus_of_borg> steleman: I tried to build the apache standard c++ library. it got pretty far and then died. but I did not use this cvsdude/kdesolaris thing
[23:01:23] <steleman> we've been using it for kde4 for over a year now
[23:01:36] <codestr0m> loquitus_of_borg there's some boost 1.34 and 1.36 work in cvsdude (google for the repo) which may help you quite a bit
[23:01:47] <codestr0m> (oopse . overtype. sorry)
[23:01:56] <steleman> anyway apache stdcxx is going into nevada very soon
[23:02:02] <steleman> and probably S10U<somethign>
[23:02:06] <steleman> then boost
[23:02:08] <_mary_kate_> loquitus_of_borg: last time i needed boost i just downloaded it and compiled.. why so much effort?
[23:02:40] <steleman> _mary_kate_: with sun studio and libCstd.so ?
[23:02:58] <_mary_kate_> steleman: with sqlport4, like loquitus_of_borg is already using
[23:03:10] <loquitus_of_borg> _mary_kate_: here is the story. I was not having any trouble with boost, really. the problem is that when I tried to build my application (after having added some more complex stl code), it would not compile with Sun Studio. I found that if I put stlport 4 as the flag, it would compile.
[23:03:19] <steleman> stlport4 will be obsolete when apache stdcxx is integrated
[23:03:21] <loquitus_of_borg> But when I ran it, it failed with some runtime linker issue then.
[23:03:30] <loquitus_of_borg> So both ways, I am stuck.
[23:03:34] <steleman> and stlport4 only supports the "C" locale
[23:03:43] <steleman> so there's no way you can build boost with ICU widechar/utf/ucs
[23:03:53] <loquitus_of_borg> I tried to build stdcxx (the apache c++ libs) and that failed too.
[23:04:09] <_mary_kate_> steleman: i build regex with icu (using my own copy of icu, not solaris's), and it worked well
[23:04:12] <_mary_kate_> (with stlport4)
[23:04:23] <steleman> _mary_kate_: i somehow doubt that.
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[23:04:48] <_mary_kate_> okay, feel free to doubt that
[23:04:55] <steleman> i am.
[23:05:09] <loquitus_of_borg> well... I am building boost right now with the stlport4 switch. seems to be building fine.
[23:05:25] <loquitus_of_borg> except I am pretty sure my app will fail in runtime
[23:05:30] <loquitus_of_borg> nothing to do with boost, I bet.
[23:06:44] <loquitus_of_borg> So I am on cvsdude's website. what now?
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[23:07:08] <steleman> loquitus_of_borg: svn list http://svn9.cvsdude.com/kdesolaris/trunk/STDCXX/
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[23:07:30] <steleman> loquitus_of_borg: svn list http://svn9.cvsdude.com/kdesolaris/trunk/BOOST/
[23:07:40] <loquitus_of_borg> steleman: is this somehow different from building stdcxx from the apache c++ standard lib sources?
[23:07:47] <steleman> loquitus_of_borg: click and you shall find.
[23:07:58] <loquitus_of_borg> oh, I clicked.
[23:09:27] <loquitus_of_borg> steleman: looks like a source archive tree to me. how is this any different. yeah, there is a solaris directory here too.
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[23:11:28] <codestr0m> loquitus_of_borg: you can read the instructions for cvsdude.. poke around for the spec files and it makes building some programs rather trivial
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[23:13:10] <steleman> and this reminds me i still need to check in the 4 sun.jam files for boost 1.36.0
[23:13:28] <loquitus_of_borg> So those solaris-specific folders exist to deal with the problems I am probably having trying to build these "Straight up"?
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[23:16:29] <_mary_kate_> steleman: http://rafb.net/p/ehReLC24.html
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[23:17:26] <steleman> _mary_kate_: mmmmmmh ok ? what's that ?
[23:17:36] <_mary_kate_> steleman: CC + stlport4 + boost, using ICU regex
[23:18:21] <steleman> _mary_kate_: can you use std::wstring and wchar_t const* pound ?
[23:18:30] <steleman> yes i know that you can use 8-bit chars.
[23:18:51] <_mary_kate_> steleman: no, why would i use std::wstring?  i want Unicode, not some random platform-dependant wide character support
[23:19:02] <steleman> _mary_kate_: roflmao.
[23:19:07] <_mary_kate_> steleman: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_35_0/libs/regex/doc/html/boost_regex/unicode.html
[23:19:09] <victori_> dtrace -n 'io:::start /execname=="postgresql"/ { @num[probefunc] = count(); }'   -- correct way of figuring out if httpd deamon has hit the disk via dtrace?
[23:19:21] <_mary_kate_> as you can see in the docs, wchar_t is not guaranteed to be Unicode
[23:19:21] <victori_> well db deamon in this case
[23:19:26] <_mary_kate_> hence, ICU is used instead
[23:19:34] <_mary_kate_> (and works fine with my UTF-8 strings)
[23:19:35] <steleman> _mary_kate_: blablabla.
[23:19:54] <steleman> _mary_kate_: FYI: UTF and UCS can encode in widths greater than 8 bits.
[23:20:13] <_mary_kate_> steleman: yes, i know.  i actually use this in the real program with UCS-4
[23:20:15] <steleman> _mary_kate_: yes, there is UTF-8, which is 8-bit.
[23:20:16] <_mary_kate_> i just used UTF-8 for the example
[23:20:26] <steleman> _mary_kate_: there is also UTF-16 and UTF-32.
[23:20:42] <steleman> _mary_kate_: which is when you *need* wchar_t and std::wstring and so on.
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[23:20:59] <_mary_kate_> steleman: no, you don't *need* wchar_t if you use ICU, it has its own Unicode types for 2, 4 and variable byte unicode
[23:21:39] <steleman> _mary_kate_: which means: instead of using the Solaris native wchar_t for utf/ucs encoding, you are using ICU's.
[23:21:45] <_mary_kate_> correct
[23:21:51] <steleman> _mary_kate_: that doesn't address stlport4 though.
[23:22:07] <_mary_kate_> all you said was that you can't use stlport4 with boost + icu.  you can.
[23:22:16] <steleman> _mary_kate_: you can. badly.
[23:22:21] <steleman> not me.
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[23:25:49] <poi> Is IPS packaging in build 96 of opensolaris?
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[23:26:49] <e^ipi> every build of indiana has it, as it is what defines indiana
[23:27:13] <e^ipi> as for solaris express, no build has it and probably won't for at least a year
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[23:28:58] <poi> so is Build 96b termed solaris express ?  and what is termed indiana - sorry for the basic ques
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[23:31:23] <e^ipi> indiana is the one with IPS
[23:31:27] <e^ipi> SXCE is the one without it
[23:31:40] <e^ipi> they are both distros built off the same code base
[23:32:39] <e^ipi> ( think of the distinction like this, Linux: OS/Net :: RHEL betas: SXCE :: fedora : indiana )
[23:32:46] <e^ipi> 2008.05 == indiana.
[23:32:58] <e^ipi> cat /etc/release to see which you've got
[23:33:20] <poi> thanks thats made things clear for me
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[23:34:29] <poi> zfs for root is that indiana or SXCE?
[23:34:36] <palowoda> both
[23:35:01] <jbates> I'm trying to set the groups for a new user, but it doesn't seem to stick once the "users and groups" application is closed.
[23:35:20] <palowoda> With SXCE use the 'text' mode of the installer for zfs root installs.
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[23:37:40] <poi>  thanks
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