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[00:50:28] <evocallaghan> Anyone using Axigen Mail server in production with Solaris ?
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[00:58:55] <wonko2> yeah, let's hear it for 32-bit kernels running ZFS
[00:58:56] <wonko2>          Current Size:             92 MB (arcsize)
[00:59:06] <wonko2> that's...... not very much
[00:59:21] <wonko2> i wonder how hard it would be to cram some sort of 64-bit cpu into that POS box
[01:03:31] <Sporq> is it just my machine, or is xvm slow?
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[01:10:33] <Kimloc> well, you can always throw more hardware at $problem... :)
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[01:14:10] <e^ipi> wonko2: what sort of machine?
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[01:27:51] <wonko2> IBM xSeries 305
[01:27:56] <wonko2> 2.8Ghz P4
[01:28:02] <wonko2> tiny little piece of junk
[01:30:21] <e^ipi> *shrug* maybe then
[01:30:39] <e^ipi> some P4's have amd64
[01:31:13] <wonko2> i'll have to try and figure out what socket it is
[01:31:22] <wonko2> solaris can't get that sort of info out of the CPU, can it?
[01:31:35] <_mary_kate_> sure it can, that's how it knows whether to load a 64-bit kernel at boot
[01:31:58] <e^ipi> not the socket
[01:32:06] <e^ipi> which i think he was asking about
[01:32:10] <_mary_kate_> ah
[01:32:14] <_mary_kate_> well you can find the model
[01:32:22] <_mary_kate_> which would tell you the socket if it's one that only goes in one type of socket
[01:32:53] <wonko2> ok, where do i get that from?  prtconf?
[01:33:07] <_mary_kate_> psrinfo -pv
[01:33:17] <Sporq> nice.
[01:33:19] <Sporq> libvirtError: virDomainCreate() failed POST operation failed: (xend.err "Boot loader didn't return any data!")
[01:33:26] <Sporq> xvm?.....
[01:34:13] <Sporq> nothing like waiting 2 hours for an install to complete only to be presented with that.
[01:35:30] <wonko2> x86 (GenuineIntel F29 family 15 model 2 step 9 clock 2800 MHz)   Intel(r) Pentium(r) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
[01:35:36] <wonko2> that mean anything to you guys?
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[01:39:33] <wonko2> ok, so a google of the machine says Socket 478
[01:39:41] <wonko2> now to find out what's available in that format
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[01:40:48] <e^ipi> with google ?
[01:41:22] <wonko2> not sure where else to start, so yeah. :)
[01:41:50] <e^ipi> pentiumD, pentium extreme edition, and some post-prescott p4's had it
[01:42:25] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:seen Tempt around ?
[01:42:36] <wonko2> according to the specs on the machine, the FSB in this box is 533Mhz, any idea how that might affect cpu choices?
[01:43:11] <evocallaghan> More of a question for him regarding experience with Axigen mailserver
[01:45:17] <evocallaghan> wonko2:Its prob not worth upgrading.
[01:46:38] <guns> deosn anyone here have opensolaris like a personel OS
[01:46:56] <wonko2> evocallaghan: i know it isn't, but i don't have many options unfortunately
[01:47:10] <evocallaghan> guns:On my desktop? Yes..
[01:47:15] <e^ipi> guns: what do you mean by that? I run it on my personal workstation
[01:47:33] * wonko2 runs it on his laptop, his home server, and his colo server
[01:47:38] <nachox> i run it on my laptop
[01:47:53] <guns> evocallaghan e^ipi what's the device that you have ??
[01:48:22] <e^ipi> some random athlon thing
[01:48:32] <e^ipi> alternately, "a computer"
[01:48:34] <evocallaghan> guns; Intel junk at the moment
[01:48:39] <evocallaghan> haha!
[01:48:59] <guns> cause my sound carte doesn work very good with opensolaris
[01:49:09] <e^ipi> so install the OSS drivers
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[01:49:22] <evocallaghan> Hmm,, seen this http://www.gdium.com/ Makes a interesting reason for a solaris/mips port
[01:49:37] <guns> e^ipi: i install it
[01:49:43] <evocallaghan> guns:What snv rev. is that btw ?
[01:49:48] <guns> e^ipi: but the sound come and gone
[01:49:55] <e^ipi> *shrug* works for me
[01:50:31] <guns> e^ipi: and sometime work slowly
[01:50:39] <evocallaghan> guns:Try snv_99+ as the new audiohd drivers have been intergrated
[01:51:43] <guns> evocallaghan: okok i'll try don't worry
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[01:52:19] <guns> evocallaghan: pkgadd snv_99+
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[01:54:05] <boyd> xerc
[01:54:07] <boyd> grr
[01:54:11] <wonko2> speaking of which, I just did a LU from 97 -> 99 and I think I still have the OSS drivers installed.  I should try uninstalling them and see what happens
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[02:08:24] <wonko2> e^ipi: hmmm, it looks like while 64-bit Socket 478 CPUs do exist, they are rather rare if you can find them, and they all need proper bios support, which I'm sure this machine lacks, plus they all seem to need an 800Mhz FSB, so I think in short the answer is, "No, I cannot put a 64-bit CPU into this POS box"
[02:08:44] <wonko2> now to see if I can talk the guy who's hosting it to allow me to replace it with something that pulls more power and pumps out more heat. ;)
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[02:10:07] <e^ipi> or you could buy something that uses less power and pumps out less heat
[02:10:46] <e^ipi> such as pretty much anything else on the market
[02:10:53] <e^ipi> P4's were hot ...
[02:13:03] <wonko2> yeah, i've been thinking about that as well
[02:13:16] <wonko2> that being said, the 305 really doesn't use a lot of power or put out much heat
[02:13:20] <wonko2> or perform well
[02:13:21] <wonko2> ;)
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[03:29:57] <jbk> evening
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[03:35:26] <the_unmaker> oh yeah
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[03:59:11] <sstallion> jbk: evening
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[04:01:31] <jbk> ok, i need to find some food around here..
[04:01:35] <jbk> i'm sure there's bound to be some places..
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[04:10:21] <the_unmaker> damn it woindows burn is FAIL
[04:10:27] <the_unmaker> need to use linux to burn cd lol
[04:10:31] <the_unmaker> to repalce linux
[04:10:33] <the_unmaker> irony?
[04:13:09] <nachox> the_unmaker, there is always cdrecord for windows
[04:14:18] <the_unmaker> oh?
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[04:22:09] <kito> is there any ETA on IPS packages for 99/100 ?
[04:23:49] <nachox> kito, check indiana-discuss
[04:24:20] <kito> ahh will do, thanks
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[04:30:03] <comay> kito, expect them middle of this week (99 that is)
[04:30:37] <kito> comay ok thanks, I didn't find any info on indianna-discuss
[04:31:14] <nachox> comay, 100 will not come till 2008.11 is ready, right?
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[04:34:31] <comay> nachox, no 100 should be available the week following next
[04:35:24] <nachox> cool, i'm eager to test whether suspend and resume works in this laptop with nv100
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[04:53:01] <nachox> there were no case materials for PSARC 2007/078?
[04:53:06] <criso> what is the difference between solaris 10 and opensolaris from sun's site?
[04:53:18] <criso> I mean, which one is preferred
[04:53:58] <nachox> depends
[04:54:20] <nachox> if you're deploying in production and want real support, you want solaris 10
[04:54:31] <criso> I want to learn how to use containers and dtrace
[04:54:54] <criso> opensolaris would include all the necessary tools?
[04:54:55] <nachox> if you want the latest things even if they are a little less stable, you want opensolaris
[04:55:19] <criso> does it come with GNU userland?
[04:55:37] <criso> I tried solaris once, but I was missing GNU :/
[04:55:55] <nachox> what was the problem with solaris' userland?
[04:57:17] <nachox> opensolaris does include them, but i dislike them in solaris as they lack a lot of usefull things that are there in the solaris tools, proper acl handling in zfs to name one
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[04:59:41] <criso> yes
[04:59:52] <criso> I just feel comfortable with gnu
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[05:00:16] <nachox> the solaris tools are not that different, i got used to them pretty quickly
[05:01:25] <criso> so what is the essential difference between solaris/opensolaris?
[05:01:33] <Ouroboro> any idea why snv_99 installer did not create an xorg.conf? it was created properly with say snv_96
[05:01:49] <criso> is solaris just the stable version of the same packages, with tech support?
[05:02:21] <nachox> Ouroboro, i believe you should not need it, xorg should properly autodetect everything, you should use it only when it doesnt
[05:02:41] <Ouroboro> nachox: well it drops to console mode on first boot
[05:03:10] <Ouroboro> nachox: error is "Unable to locate/open config file"
[05:03:41] <nachox> criso, no, solaris 10 packages are a lot older, it is still using gnome 2.6 for example, but it is fully patched, that's because solaris guarantees interface stability
[05:03:56] <criso> ah
[05:04:04] <criso> but essentially they are the same set of packages?
[05:04:11] <criso> just different versions and all that
[05:04:25] <Triskelios> criso: no, a lot of software has been replaced since s10 came out...
[05:04:37] <criso> oh
[05:04:43] <criso> well I'd definitely go for the latest and greatest :)
[05:05:12] <criso> I heard someone was working on dtrace for linux but what became of it..
[05:05:27] <e^ipi> you mean systemtap ?
[05:05:32] <nachox> criso, they have something called systemtap, that... never worked properly
[05:05:40] <criso> its crap
[05:05:41] <e^ipi> it's dangerous and doesn't do a fraction of what dtrace does
[05:05:47] <criso> I mean someone was actually porting dtrace
[05:05:55] <criso> regardless of licensing
[05:06:00] <e^ipi> doubtful, the GPL doesn't let them do it
[05:06:20] <criso> that's not quite true..
[05:06:28] <e^ipi> it is actually
[05:06:29] <criso> it doesnt let you distribute it
[05:07:04] <criso> you can do anything with gpl code, in house
[05:07:15] <nachox> what is the use of dtrace in the linux kernel if you cant redistribute it?
[05:07:22] <e^ipi> meh, whatever... why use a probably pretty bad copy when you can have the real thing
[05:07:22] <criso> I forget the reasoning, I think they were going to distribute just the source
[05:07:25] <criso> as a patch
[05:07:26] <e^ipi> solaris is just better anyways
[05:07:37] <criso> yes
[05:07:39] <Triskelios> e^ipi: the kernel hooks would largely have to be rewritten, anyway, which is probably the solution to the licence problem
[05:08:31] <nachox> dtrace depends on some kernel stability i believe which linux doesnt have
[05:09:22] <criso> there have been numerous great patches to linux that have falled by the wayside over the years
[05:09:29] <Triskelios> nachox: that probably is not large a problem for dtrace as it is for drivers
[05:09:39] <criso> and with no interface stability ..
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[05:10:06] <Ouroboro> nachox: hm i guess the config error is not fatal, but then i am getting this: "No valid FontPath could be found"
[05:10:33] <e^ipi> plus at the end of the day it's still linux... buggy, slow, crashy, gnu-y linux
[05:12:23] <Triskelios> Ouroboro: check the X log (an xorg.conf is not needed for Xorg to run normally)
[05:13:10] <Ouroboro> Triskelios: yes i see that now: it is using a default built-in config, but there is the font problem
[05:13:20] <jbk> actually did linux ever develop a super-duper brand new high speed kernel->user transfer mechanism to get around the data volume issue for systemtap?
[05:14:03] <e^ipi> that sounds like a lot of work
[05:14:21] <e^ipi> so probably not, unless some UNIX company went tits-up and donated one before filing chapter11
[05:14:21] <jbk> well doing what dtrace did would be 'bloat'
[05:14:49] <nachox> what does solaris use for that?
[05:14:55] <e^ipi> like reading structs as structs
[05:15:00] <e^ipi> you clearly should read them byte by byte
[05:16:36] <jbk> nachox: it uses the normal facilities that everything else uses to transfer data (copyin/copyout), the dtrace code running in the kernel prunes the data at the source so far less data has to go across
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[05:18:12] <azathoth99> uh whats with the opensoalris image iso being 747M when cd=700M
[05:18:14] <azathoth99> wtf
[05:18:37] <e^ipi> *shrug* download the other one
[05:18:57] <e^ipi> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/opensolaris/2008/05/os200805g.iso
[05:20:15] <azathoth99> woa where did ye find that one?
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[05:21:02] <e^ipi> the website?
[05:21:24] <Ouroboro> ok i see what my problem is: none of the font paths that X checked contain a fonts.dir, which it apparently needs
[05:21:48] <Ouroboro> so should i just run mkfontdir?
[05:22:07] <azathoth99> http://genunix.org/ I ended up here and only saw one..
[05:22:09] <evocallaghan> Is that something you saw in your Xorg.0.log file. I think I saw that too in mine
[05:22:16] <Ouroboro> evocallaghan: correct
[05:22:21] <azathoth99> starting from opensolaris.org
[05:22:28] <e^ipi> it's the 'all languages' CD
[05:22:36] <Ouroboro> evocallaghan: trying to install B99?
[05:22:46] <evocallaghan> I got it running here
[05:22:59] <Ouroboro> what was the solution
[05:23:01] <Triskelios> jbk: I thought there was a filesystem-based approach for zero-copy kernel/user transfers. can't remember what it was called though
[05:23:06] <evocallaghan> What did you see in your log out of interest ?
[05:23:37] <evocallaghan> I just fixed one of my bugs by replacing the vga cable !? :p
[05:23:59] <evocallaghan> Would not go past 1024x768 before, now I get the full 1920x1200
[05:24:01] <Ouroboro> evocallaghan: "No valid FontPath could be found" then errors about not finding fonts.dir in any of the font directories
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[05:24:49] <evocallaghan> [edward@SXCE-Workstation]:/export/home/edward:~>grep "FontPath" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:24:49] <evocallaghan> (WW) No FontPath specified.  Using compiled-in default.
[05:24:49] <evocallaghan> (==) FontPath set to:
[05:24:54] <Ouroboro> i am guessing that the installer just forgot to create this for some reason
[05:25:02] <evocallaghan> So, what's the problem ?
[05:25:15] <evocallaghan> Ah, right right, I know what your hitting
[05:25:17] <evocallaghan> 1sec
[05:25:30] <Ouroboro> evocallaghan: well X does not load obviously, i am wondeirng what the proper solution is
[05:25:48] <Ouroboro> i think if i run mkfontdir for each of those default dirs it should do the trick
[05:26:38] <Triskelios> Ouroboro: wouldn't hurt anyway
[05:26:43] <Ouroboro> (this all worked correctly with previous installers btw)
[05:27:03] <Ouroboro> Triskelios: well i can do that, just wondering if i am missing something bigger here
[05:27:04] <azathoth99> e^ipi: you crafty devil
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[05:28:51] <evocallaghan> Ouroboro:Can't find it
[05:29:01] <evocallaghan> Ouroboro:Something about it on the forums
[05:29:28] <evocallaghan> Ouroboro:What you need to do anyway is check your install log for packages that failed to install and install them off the SXCE99 DVD
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[05:30:19] <Ouroboro> hm
[05:30:50] <evocallaghan> There are some that fail sometimes in 99 I hear ?
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[05:31:12] <Ouroboro> where is this install log
[05:32:10] <azathoth99> ok
[05:33:01] <Ouroboro> i wonder if this is why it ejected my CDROM tray during first boot
[05:33:06] <Ouroboro> brb
[05:33:13] <e^ipi> no, it always does that
[05:33:27] <azathoth99> say im pretty damn productive with archlinux, a binary only but gotcha i686 only so fast compiled binary only distro with pisser package mgr that really works, and bsd style inits...........is it possible that opensolrais iseven better ? and if so the claim might be because better threading and multi cpu utiliztion even in the face of linux kernel 2.6.27?  or is linux now competitive with opensolaris?
[05:34:07] <e^ipi> not really, linux still hasn't really got threading down properly
[05:34:09] <Triskelios> Ouroboro: all of the fonts.dir files on SX are part of X packages, so maybe something is missing
[05:34:45] <azathoth99> so If i ran postgresql on opensolaris
[05:34:46] <evocallaghan> I was looking at Arch today, but just becuase I though they used Awesome as there default WM
[05:34:54] <azathoth99> 64 it would beat postgresql on archlinux 64?
[05:35:07] <e^ipi> azathoth99: probably
[05:35:10] <azathoth99> awesome? never tried it, I dont liek tiling tho
[05:35:13] <azathoth99> jwm user
[05:35:19] <ky-san> e^ipi: what is wrong with threads in linux? are they slower than ones in solaris?
[05:35:43] <e^ipi> ky-san: the linux scheduler doesn't deal with them as efficiently
[05:35:46] <azathoth99> compiling stuff si somethng im guna have to get used to on opensolaris
[05:35:58] <azathoth99> the stuido dev si ok?
[05:36:04] <azathoth99> can I compile aolserver tec ok?
[05:36:17] <e^ipi> what the hell? another aolserver user?
[05:36:24] <azathoth99> im same d00d
[05:36:30] <ky-san> e^ipi: I got. that's why there are a lot of different schedulers in linux kernel :)
[05:36:34] <azathoth99> im logged in at work so changed id at home
[05:36:39] <e^ipi> ky-san: and they're all terrible
[05:36:44] <nachox> ky-san, because none of them does a proper job?
[05:36:58] <azathoth99> bsd has more than 1
[05:37:01] <azathoth99> linux does too?
[05:37:28] <e^ipi> linux is pretty bad at SMP/multicore
[05:37:46] <evocallaghan> Try it^tm
[05:37:56] <e^ipi> meanwhile Sun sells machines with 256 CPU's in them and they scale almost linerally
[05:37:59] <evocallaghan> Only way your going to really find out
[05:38:00] <nachox> but they scale to 4k cpus?! :P
[05:38:14] <e^ipi> nachox: who scales up to 4k cpu's?
[05:38:20] <azathoth99> it seems economics is favring tracks of pizza box machines not expensive milti proc machines eh?
[05:38:27] <azathoth99> or are those multiproce machines coming down?
[05:38:40] <azathoth99> I as an admin would lvoe to have 1-4 large boxen rather than dozens
[05:39:03] <e^ipi> azathoth99: why have a rack of multi-cpu machines when you can have a single 1U with 64 hardware threads in it like niagra?
[05:39:17] <ky-san> can anyone suggest some multiplatform test to check "thread's performance"?
[05:39:51] <e^ipi> azathoth99: http://www.sun.com/servers/coolthreads/t5120/
[05:40:00] <Triskelios> ky-san: an application-specific benchmark would make more sense for what you're doing
[05:40:29] <e^ipi> azathoth99: "Up to 64 simultaneous threads of execution "
[05:40:40] <nachox> e^ipi, i'm searching, i dont know if it was 4k but it was something really damn big
[05:41:00] <e^ipi> nachox: you mean custom kernels with the linux API's tacked on to them like what IBM does?
[05:41:30] <e^ipi> ship of theseus linux... replace all the parts one by one, is it still linux?
[05:41:50] <fraggeln> tmorning
[05:41:51] <Triskelios> um, IBM just runs linux as z/VM guests these days..
[05:41:51] <azathoth99> uh
[05:41:59] <evocallaghan> It still panics, thus it is linux
[05:42:03] <azathoth99> 1U with what?
[05:42:03] <e^ipi> heh
[05:42:16] <e^ipi> Triskelios: i was talking like bluegene/L
[05:42:21] <azathoth99> 1U 64 cores?
[05:42:25] <e^ipi> azathoth99: yeah
[05:42:37] <ky-san> Triskelios: yep you are right. I thought there was some test pack with memory/integer/fpu utilization/bandwith/etc
[05:42:54] <e^ipi> more accurately 8 cores but with enough hardware threads that if you cache miss pretty frequently it's like having 64CPU's
[05:43:21] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Do you know if anyone has said much about porting or have ported xcb to solaris ?
[05:43:33] <azathoth99> ok wait a second
[05:43:35] <e^ipi> i don't know what that is
[05:43:39] <e^ipi> or why you would want it
[05:43:48] <e^ipi> so... no
[05:43:54] <evocallaghan> part of the new xorg stuff
[05:43:55] <azathoth99> its caleld niagra?
[05:44:03] <e^ipi> azathoth99: yes, that's the code name for the CPU
[05:44:07] <azathoth99> how is this different that dual quadcore xeon?
[05:44:14] <evocallaghan> I'll contact alanc when he is around
[05:44:34] <e^ipi> because it's one CPU, and 2 * 4 isn't 64
[05:44:37] <evocallaghan> O_o does not eat up kw of power
[05:44:42] <e^ipi> also that
[05:44:52] * evocallaghan steps out. - Too much work to do :p
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[05:45:04] <e^ipi> it also fits in one industry standard 19" rack unit
[05:45:10] <e^ipi> rather than 4
[05:45:47] <azathoth99> what is a hardware thread?
[05:46:42] <e^ipi> instead of your process stalling on a memory fetch, it put it to sleep and runs another process... so it looks like you're running 2 processes in parallel
[05:47:44] <azathoth99> would a webserver thus react favorably?
[05:47:49] <azathoth99> under heavy loads?
[05:47:58] <Ouroboro> run, so SUNWxwfnt partially failed, which explains why i dont have font.dir's
[05:48:04] <Ouroboro> s/run/right
[05:48:06] <e^ipi> azathoth99: yes, quite probably
[05:48:39] <Ouroboro> azathoth99: the originally niagara was pretty much targeted toward web servers
[05:48:50] <e^ipi> and database
[05:49:19] <e^ipi> azathoth99: fun fact: Niagra is also the only commercially available  open-source CPU
[05:49:31] <e^ipi> you can download the verilog at opensparc.net
[05:50:23] <nachox> crap, cant find it
[05:50:45] <e^ipi> can't find what?
[05:51:07] <azathoth99> verilog?
[05:51:10] <azathoth99> the plans for it?
[05:51:15] <azathoth99> are china going to grab them
[05:51:25] <azathoth99> and mass produce niagrra and put intel outa biz?
[05:51:35] <azathoth99> ever  hear of ultratechnology?
[05:51:37] <e^ipi> that's pretty unlikely to happen
[05:51:54] <e^ipi> and yes, verilog = the plans for it
[05:52:11] <e^ipi> aka, the source code
[05:52:14] <Ouroboro> i dont know that you could make very good chips from just the verilog
[05:53:40] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[05:53:46] <e^ipi> i know almost nothing about hardware
[05:53:57] <e^ipi> i know opensparc exists, and runs on an FPGA pretty well
[05:54:00] <e^ipi> that's about it
[05:55:03] <Ouroboro> yeah we were/are using this in our work, but i didnt work dirrectly with it
[05:55:39] <Triskelios> that would have to be a pretty monstrous FPGA to clock more than a few cycles per second
[05:55:57] <Ouroboro> yeah the core is quite huge
[05:55:59] <azathoth99> http://www.intellasys.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=41 this is iteresting stuf by forth anguage creator and others
[05:56:09] <nachox> e^ipi, it took some time but here it is http://lwn.net/Articles/229873/
[05:56:09] <Ouroboro> i dont imagine they got more than a 50-100 Mhz on it
[05:56:30] <azathoth99> I wonder why ibm or china doesnt buy intellasys
[05:56:44] <Ouroboro> Triskelios: keep in mind the Verilog is for a single core (1/8 of Niagara)
[05:57:41] <azathoth99> whats a FPGA?
[05:57:43] <Triskelios> Ouroboro: that sounds right
[05:58:11] <Ouroboro> azathoth99: field programmable gate array... basically reconfigurable hardware built from lookup tables
[05:59:13] <azathoth99> oow
[05:59:41] <azathoth99> lookup tables must be software?
[05:59:46] <Ouroboro> azathoth99: you can get a small board for like $100 if you are interested
[06:00:09] <Ouroboro> azathoth99: these are hardware... basically small SRAM memories distributed throughout the chip
[06:00:46] <Ouroboro> either SRAM or fuse-based i should say
[06:01:31] <Ouroboro> well, it looks like all the X font packages failed during install not being able to create fonts.dir
[06:01:37] <Ouroboro> so should i try to create it manually?
[06:01:39] <dnm> Um.
[06:01:54] <nachox> after that article i wonder how many procs a solaris box can run at a given time
[06:02:09] <dnm> Something tells me that a Niagra core wouldn't synthesize in the range of FPGAs you'd be able to buy on a $100 dev board.
[06:02:23] <Ouroboro> yeah that might be true
[06:02:24] <dnm> And that something is the fact that I write VHDL and develop on Spartan-3s.
[06:02:28] <Triskelios> Ouroboro: try reinstalling the packages first, since the errors sound fishy
[06:02:51] <Ouroboro> Triskelios: the errors are probably related to this: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6748110
[06:03:16] <Ouroboro> dnm: it fits on the XUP, no?
[06:03:54] <dnm> XUP is a program, not a board. Which board are you talking about?
[06:04:14] <dnm> XUPV2P maybe?
[06:04:35] <dnm> If so, that has a a Virtex-II Pro. It might, I have no idea.
[06:04:58] <Ouroboro> yeah that one, although it is more like $300
[06:05:05] <Ouroboro> i think there is also a V5 version
[06:05:43] <Triskelios> nachox: "run"? only as many as you have cores/threads... schedule? probably limited by memory
[06:05:52] <dnm> Also, XUP boards are only that price if your at a university that's part of the program, because they're subsidized.
[06:06:13] <dnm> They retail for around $2495 for the XUPV2P dev board with a Virtex-II Pro.
[06:06:27] <dnm> Virtex-5 boards are sure to be even more.
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[06:08:02] <Ouroboro> well, some spartans are pretty big and cheap, but i dont know if there are cheap boards, or if they even support the niagara verilog
[06:08:48] <dnm> I can try sythesizing the Verilog in a few minutes for a Spartan-3 XC3S1000. Might be interesting to see what the LUT usage is.
[06:08:55] <azathoth99> so is buying hp 580 a less smart economic move than buying some sun box?
[06:09:06] <jbk> k580?
[06:09:07] <azathoth99> to run postgresql
[06:09:13] <jbk> or dl580?
[06:09:20] <azathoth99> damn not sure
[06:09:26] <jbk> x86
[06:09:32] <jbk> ?
[06:09:33] <azathoth99> is the k580 the 'freighter'
[06:09:36] <azathoth99> ?
[06:09:40] <azathoth99> amd64
[06:09:45] <jbk> ok dl then
[06:09:46] <Ouroboro> dnm: try it if you think it will be easy, but i dont care that much
[06:09:47] <azathoth99> 64 bit always
[06:09:58] <jbk> k boxes were older pa-risc line
[06:10:06] <azathoth99> erg no
[06:10:11] <azathoth99> i dont thnk
[06:10:15] <azathoth99> dl580
[06:10:17] <azathoth99> msut be
[06:10:29] <jbk> well
[06:10:36] <jbk> would you be running linux on it or windows?
[06:10:45] <jbk> or solaris?
[06:12:16] <e^ipi> azathoth99: sun has engineers that work specifically on getting postgresql to run great on solaris
[06:13:56] <Ouroboro> is there an online system to view sxce packages?
[06:14:01] <jbk> my experiences with HP's x86 equipment is to only use it with windows
[06:15:55] <azathoth99> lol
[06:16:06] <azathoth99> fox interactive is heavily hp
[06:16:15] <azathoth99> intel 64
[06:16:21] <azathoth99> for beter or worse
[06:16:43] <azathoth99> If I start a small company tho would I be better spending my money on sun stuff or is sun just overpriced?
[06:16:49] <azathoth99> like on a budget
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[06:17:35] <Ouroboro> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=289672 | post about the X font issues on 99
[06:17:36] <e^ipi> niagra boxes are under 3 grand and if you're a startup sun'll pay for half of that anyways
[06:18:26] <azathoth99> no kidding?
[06:18:48] <azathoth99> <3k eh
[06:18:49] <azathoth99> damn
[06:19:05] <azathoth99> any benchmarks of it vs say amd64 dual quads?
[06:19:16] <azathoth99> or even better intel 64 dual quads?
[06:20:38] <nachox> just use a try&buy and test them yourself
[06:20:58] <nachox> mostly because it depends on your workload
[06:21:08] <nachox> and of course your admins knowledge
[06:21:22] <Ouroboro> i am sure there are plenty of such benchmarks
[06:21:50] <e^ipi> azathoth99: read the ZFS tuning guide for postgres too... if your database is sitting on ZFS you should change the default block size
[06:21:57] <Triskelios> azathoth99: http://www.sun.com/servers/coolthreads/t2000/benchmarks.jsp for example, google has plenty of (probably less biased) sources
[06:22:04] <e^ipi> should be: 8k, is: 128k
[06:22:22] <azathoth99> woa
[06:22:30] <e^ipi> IIRC 32k on mysql
[06:23:03] <e^ipi> the default is a good default, it's just better to tweak it for the workload
[06:23:18] <nachox> night all, i'm off to sleep
[06:23:19] <Ouroboro> is there one package that encompasses all the X font packages?
[06:24:37] <evocallaghan_> Ouroboro:The problem is fixed in snv_100. As I already told you. Check your install log, find the packages that failed and install them
[06:25:25] <Ouroboro> evocallaghan_: yeah i found the post about it
[06:28:29] <azathoth99> can one change the zfs default block size dynamically?
[06:28:49] <e^ipi> yeah, it's just a filesystem property
[06:29:13] <azathoth99> dont have to reformat the box?
[06:29:21] <e^ipi> no
[06:29:26] <azathoth99> nice
[06:29:42] <azathoth99> not sure what situation with ext3 under linux would be
[06:30:23] <Ouroboro> azathoth99: you would be screwed
[06:30:38] <azathoth99> ok
[06:30:51] <azathoth99> now i feel a weency bit more like learning opensol
[06:30:53] <azathoth99> heh
[06:30:54] <e^ipi> ext3 also doesn't checksum your data, so if it's bad you just get crashes
[06:30:57] <evocallaghan_> e^ipi:^guess why they still call it Linux ;)
[06:31:02] <Ouroboro> azathoth99: maybe in ext6 :)
[06:31:08] <azathoth99> really?
[06:31:20] <azathoth99> ext3 says its better than reiserfs if power goes
[06:31:23] <e^ipi> with solaris it just corrects the data and moves on
[06:31:43] <Ouroboro> azathoth99: thats just journaling... it has nothing to do with the HD corrupting your data
[06:31:44] <azathoth99> just read some stuff by wu or whoever maintains ext3 about dangers of xfs/reiser
[06:31:54] <azathoth99> ah
[06:32:03] <e^ipi> azathoth99: yep, there are problems with filesystem corruption there
[06:32:09] <Ouroboro> azathoth99: there is no production linux fs that checksums data
[06:32:12] <e^ipi> ext3 is only a little bit better in that regard
[06:32:29] <e^ipi> zfs ensures data reliability
[06:32:32] <evocallaghan_> ext3 is *really* slow though
[06:32:34] <Triskelios> journaling in ext3 is not exactly fast, either
[06:32:45] <jbk> and
[06:32:46] <evocallaghan_> ^ha
[06:32:52] <Ouroboro> azathoth99: look for brtfs if it ever comes out
[06:32:53] <jbk> there seem to be bugs with various kernel versions
[06:33:08] <e^ipi> jbk: id est, "all of them" ?
[06:33:16] <jbk> where it any minor glitch will flip a filesystem to readonly mode, and you ahve to reboot to undo it
[06:33:24] <Ouroboro> btrfs i mean
[06:33:25] <evocallaghan_> Fedora9 was shipping ext4-alpha as there default fs !!
[06:33:47] <azathoth99> lol
[06:33:48] <e^ipi> Ouroboro: don't remember who made the comment but "if systemtap is any indication... btrfs is going to be pretty terrible"
[06:33:56] <azathoth99> dragonfly bsd is doing something 2
[06:34:03] <azathoth99> btfs butter by oracle is alpha?
[06:34:09] <evocallaghan_> Its called HAMMER
[06:34:12] <azathoth99> ya
[06:34:13] <e^ipi> azathoth99: completely different domain.
[06:34:14] <evocallaghan_> I am follow it
[06:34:17] <e^ipi> hammer is for clusters
[06:34:29] <evocallaghan_> Its crap at the moment
[06:34:37] <e^ipi> probably
[06:34:39] <evocallaghan_> I was talking to dilon about it
[06:35:01] <Ouroboro> in freebsd there are some checksumming solutions using the crypto layer
[06:35:10] <evocallaghan_> He did not understand the core concepts of what made zfs good
[06:35:13] <Ouroboro> or zfs also, although it is pretty bad there last i remember
[06:35:31] <jbk> e^ipi: *cough*
[06:35:39] <evocallaghan_> zfs is ok in fbsd now
[06:35:47] <evocallaghan_> I say _ok_ though
[06:35:49] <jbk> actually it was 'i wouldn't hold my breath for btrfs iirc'
[06:35:59] <Ouroboro> evocallaghan_: fixed the kernel panic if not enough memory thing?
[06:35:59] <evocallaghan_> I have not had problems with it on a few desktops
[06:36:01] <e^ipi> oh yeah, that was you
[06:36:18] <e^ipi> kudos on that one
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[06:57:38] <Ouroboro> hm, we had this discussion before, but i forgot... what is a good basic shell to use instead of sh... one where the arrow keys work
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[06:58:36] <azathoth99> bash
[06:58:44] <azathoth99> although ksh93 can do it too
[06:58:46] <azathoth99> etc
[06:59:21] <azathoth99> jesus im bruning cd with 'wodim'
[06:59:23] <azathoth99> on linux
[06:59:30] <azathoth99> trying to get the damn opensol cd
[06:59:38] <azathoth99> and not sure if it locked up or what
[06:59:45] <azathoth99> the cd drive keeps blinking
[06:59:50] <azathoth99> maybe its writing agagagga
[07:02:02] <azathoth99> anyone there?
[07:02:35] <Ouroboro> nm i remembered that i use tcsh on solaris :)
[07:03:05] <Ouroboro> azathoth99: i use k3b on linux, seems to work
[07:03:20] <Ouroboro> (when i have the misfortune on being on kde)
[07:03:25] <azathoth99> k3b wtf zat?
[07:03:31] <Ouroboro> azathoth99: burning program
[07:03:35] <azathoth99> oh
[07:03:46] <azathoth99> wodin finsihe but said couldnt fixate disk
[07:03:48] <azathoth99> jesus
[07:03:52] <azathoth99> jesssususus
[07:03:56] <Ouroboro> heh
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[07:04:29] <Ouroboro> i wish you could just dd the ISO to the burner
[07:06:44] <the_unmaker> god damn itt
[07:07:45] <Ouroboro> the_unmaker: it shall be done, my son
[07:08:30] <the_unmaker> ya know the image might not have downlaoded fully
[07:08:33] <ky-san> Ouroboro: you can do dd if the media is a dwd+rw. iirc
[07:08:34] <the_unmaker> sonova
[07:09:11] <the_unmaker> ok lets try on windoze again
[07:09:12] <the_unmaker> sign
[07:09:15] <the_unmaker> sigh
[07:10:49] <Ouroboro> the_unmaker: didnt you verify the md5
[07:10:55] <Ouroboro> ky-san: interesting
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[07:12:23] <the_unmaker> no
[07:12:45] <Ouroboro> should defintely do that
[07:13:08] <Ouroboro> unless you like troubleshooting random problems later in the unlikely case that there is a bit flip
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[07:17:18] <fraggeln> sxce works better with nvidia then ATI graphic-cards right?
[07:17:44] <Ouroboro> i can confirm that it works with my 8800GS
[07:20:00] <e^ipi> fraggeln: as in 'it works with nvidia cards and not ati cards', yes
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[07:20:13] <Ouroboro> heh
[07:21:21] <Ouroboro> well i have successfully removed and added some packages... well on my way to becoming a solaris expert
[07:21:49] <ky-san> vesa works with both cards
[07:24:02] <Ouroboro> what is the X daemon called
[07:24:25] <Ouroboro> dtlogin?
[07:24:45] <ky-san> are you talking about gdm/xdm?
[07:24:49] <e^ipi> Ouroboro: that's the name of the SMF service you'll be manipulating, yes
[07:24:55] <e^ipi> ky-san: no, he's talking about dtlogin.
[07:25:02] <Ouroboro> yep thanks
[07:26:47] <fraggeln> e^ipi: crap, thats why I have so much trouble with my box :/
[07:27:43] <fraggeln> Im guessing i need to get my boss to buy me a nvida-card then :D
[07:27:46] <Ouroboro> fraggeln: tried vesa?
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[07:29:02] <fraggeln> Ouroboro: I have tried it all :(
[07:29:15] <fraggeln> but it was working when i run svc_44 or something like taht
[07:29:31] <fraggeln> now I can't get more then 800x600 or something like that
[07:30:04] <Ouroboro> ah
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[07:30:35] <Ouroboro> so it is "working" then :)
[07:31:43] <fraggeln> Ouroboro: well, i want to run 1680x1050 :)
[07:31:49] <fraggeln> but thats not working.
[07:32:07] <Ouroboro> does vesa even support that
[07:32:26] <fraggeln> Ouroboro: i doubt it.
[07:32:34] <fraggeln> so, I need a nvidia card :D
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[07:33:18] <Ouroboro> you can get one for like $50
[07:33:47] <ky-san> fraggeln: what card do you have?
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[07:34:33] <fraggeln> ky-san: SOme onboard ati 200g or something
[07:35:00] <fraggeln> Radeon Xpress 200G
[07:35:53] <fraggeln> Ouroboro: i need a pci-e low-profile ;)
[07:36:04] <Ouroboro> oh
[07:36:12] <Ouroboro> that might be difficult
[07:36:36] <fraggeln> well, as long as it has nvidia chipset i should be ok right?
[07:37:30] <Ouroboro> i dont know
[07:37:36] <Ouroboro> have you found a low profile one?
[07:38:12] <Ouroboro> nvidia cards generally range from huge to ridiculously giant
[07:39:06] <fraggeln> Ouroboro: http://db.jaton.com/VGAProductDetail.aspx?P_ID=84358KL-T256A-LP im thinking of that one
[07:39:57] <Ouroboro> yeah i think that would work, but i dont know
[07:40:19] <fraggeln> what chipset would you recomend then?
[07:40:52] <Ouroboro> shrug, i have no experience with this except for the one i have, perhaps ky-san knows more
[07:41:30] <ky-san> hm. I can test SXCE on 7600gs
[07:41:50] <fraggeln> what do you guys use?
[07:42:17] <Ouroboro> 8800GS here (not sure what mode currently running)
[07:42:40] <ky-san> vesa on intel x3100 :)
[07:42:54] <ky-san> and plain com console in ultra5
[07:42:55] <fraggeln> ohh :(
[07:43:20] <Ouroboro> hm, what is the preferred shutdown method: 'shutdown ...' or 'poweroff'
[07:43:50] <ky-san> there are some 8400 low profile cards on ebay
[07:43:53] <e^ipi> fraggeln: i have a quadro in one of my machines, and an ati something that cost $20 in my other machine
[07:43:56] <fraggeln> init 5 :D
[07:44:11] <fraggeln> e^ipi: ati doesnt seem to work :)
[07:44:15] <Ouroboro> fraggeln: knew someone was gonna say that..
[07:44:22] <e^ipi> i haven't connected a monitor to the ATI machine in about 6 months
[07:44:35] <e^ipi> i just needed something that'd stop the machine from beeping on poweron
[07:44:48] <fraggeln> money is no problem, its for work anyway. I just need a card that sxce can do 1680x1050 in :)
[07:45:01] <e^ipi> so, for that... works fine
[07:45:36] <Ouroboro> e^ipi: surely you used it for the initial install as well
[07:46:02] <e^ipi> yes, but i use the text installer exclusively
[07:46:16] <Ouroboro> yep, same
[07:46:25] <fraggeln> same here, only way to get zfs for / :)
[07:46:47] <e^ipi> not true
[07:46:51] <e^ipi> you can also liveupgrade to it
[07:46:59] <fraggeln> o well. true
[07:47:02] <e^ipi> which is where I got it on this machine
[07:47:13] <Ouroboro> is there any reason why i might need a cdrom after the initial install?
[07:47:29] <Ouroboro> i am thinking of taking it out in favor of another disk for zfs mirror
[07:47:46] <e^ipi> Ouroboro: is there a reason you'd need a cdrom /for/ the initial install?
[07:47:56] <e^ipi> jumpstart, fool... it's your friend
[07:48:19] <Ouroboro> e^ipi: yeah i know, but i would need a solaris machine for that or mess with VMs
[07:48:23] <Ouroboro> seemed easier this way
[07:49:05] <fraggeln> ky-san: I would be most greatfull if you can test SXCE on a 7600gs.
[07:49:48] <ky-san> fraggeln: not a problem. I'll do it in 4-6 hours
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[07:51:44] <ky-san> (actually I'm going to install SXCE on the machine w/7600gs this evening)
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[07:52:37] <fraggeln> there should be a big sign, "Doesn't work with ATI" on the download button :D
[07:53:01] <the_unmaker> http://www.unitedliberty.org/videos/jim-rogers-central-banks-are-unleashing-a-inflationary-holocaust
[07:53:03] <the_unmaker> awesome
[07:53:13] <e^ipi> or alternately, a big sticker on all ATI equipment "Doesn't work with anything, it even sucks with windows"
[07:53:19] <e^ipi> which would be a bit more accurate
[07:53:39] <fraggeln> e^ipi: well true :)
[07:54:46] <fraggeln> to bad its onboard :/
[07:55:31] <Ouroboro> the_unmaker: pretty interesting lecture from 2006: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G3Qefbt0n4
[07:57:29] <evocallaghan_> e^ipi:There new cards are *much* better
[07:57:36] <the_unmaker> oh yeah that guy is awesome
[07:57:52] <evocallaghan_> There open drivers are going to be useable soon too :p
[07:58:22] <e^ipi> yes well...
[07:58:29] <e^ipi> i'll believe it when I see it
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[07:59:29] <Ouroboro> the drivers are shit, but the cards themselves are not so bad, e.g. 4850
[08:00:01] <fraggeln> evocallaghan_: nvidia always works :D
[08:00:20] <evocallaghan_> fraggeln:Yea, we know
[08:00:28] <evocallaghan_> But there 2D is crap
[08:00:31] <e^ipi> it'll take some real convincing to get me to ever buy an ATI card
[08:00:35] <evocallaghan_> KDE has big problems
[08:00:47] <evocallaghan_> do it do it do it !
[08:00:50] <evocallaghan_> Hows that?
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[08:00:58] <Ouroboro> http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/03/28/vista_crash_chart.png <-- how about this for driver quality?
[08:01:08] <fraggeln> I dare you to buy a ATI-card :D
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[08:01:19] <fraggeln> are you.... chicken? :)
[08:01:40] * evocallaghan_ makes noises
[08:01:53] <Ouroboro> although i dont know if that chart is normalized to card population
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[08:04:30] <Ouroboro> whats the deal with disk write caches and zfs? do i have to do anything
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[08:09:20] <kohju> fu...
[08:09:49] <Ouroboro> quit
[08:09:54] <Ouroboro> oops
[08:09:56] <trochej> Cofeeeeeeeeeee
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[08:10:23] <kohju> my sister make cafe latte, now. :D
[08:10:56] <e^ipi> you can't make it yourself?
[08:12:25] <kohju> maybe i can :)
[08:12:43] <e^ipi> can you pour bitchin' rosettas on them?
[08:13:10] <e^ipi> like this: http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h15/clevelandgood/rosetta-1.jpg
[08:13:21] <kohju> i have made cappuccino.
[08:13:48] <kohju> How beautiful.
[08:17:23] <Ouroboro> hm how can i tell which driver X is actually using
[08:25:01] <ky-san> Ouroboro: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:25:08] <ky-san> something like that
[08:25:59] <Ouroboro> well i can see that it loaded there, but also vesa loaded, so i am not sure which it is uding
[08:27:20] <ky-san> err. could you share the log file?
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[08:29:58] <Ouroboro> hm, no
[08:30:17] <Ouroboro> dont have file transfer capability
[08:30:44] <Ouroboro> anyway, i think i will continue tomorrow, thanks for the help everyone
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[08:31:58] <CosmicDJ> heh...
[08:32:49] <fraggeln> http://static.fraggelberget.nu/Xorg.0.log <-- my log :D
[08:33:01] <fraggeln> http://static.fraggelberget.nu/xorg.conf <-- my config
[08:33:07] <fraggeln> crappy ati cards :(
[08:33:54] <fraggeln> any ideas why its not working?
[08:37:02] <CosmicDJ> fraggeln: why are you using the "ati" driver instead of the "radeon" ?
[08:38:56] <fraggeln> CosmicDJ: im trying both.
[08:39:14] <fraggeln> CosmicDJ: im still getting the same low resolution when running the radeon-driver.
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[08:44:38] <fraggeln> CosmicDJ: there, updated, but same problem :(
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[08:46:57] <evocallaghan_> fraggeln:May sound silly, but try a diff VGA cable
[08:47:33] <fraggeln> evocallaghan_: im using dvi :)
[08:47:48] <fraggeln> and it has been working fine on svn_44 or something
[08:49:26] <evocallaghan_> fraggeln:Oh, its a regression ?
[08:50:15] <fraggeln> evocallaghan_: but its not working on svn_86 or up :(
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[08:54:41] <evocallaghan_> fraggeln:I think it was using the vesa driver before
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[08:55:16] <evocallaghan_> fraggeln:Please *do* file a bug for the card with a debug output of Xorg.0.log and one without any xorg.conf file at all
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[08:56:39] <fraggeln> im gonna try the vesa-driver now
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[09:06:42] <CosmicDJ> http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2008/10/10/success-with-opensolaris-zfs-mysql-in-production/
[09:06:54] <the_unmaker> its a quest
[09:07:06] <CosmicDJ> "Packages are crazily named, making finding your stuff to install tough. Like instead of Apache being called apache or httpd, its called SUNWapch. What?" haha so true :)
[09:07:08] <the_unmaker> but i have a working opensolaris cd at work ill get tomrrow
[09:08:26] <ZOP> heh the first bits (in caps) there's aa system
[09:08:29] <ZOP> the last bits well
[09:08:46] <ZOP> sun still seems to have this mistaken idea that long file names don't exist or something LOL
[09:08:58] <fraggeln> doesnt vesa support widescreen?
[09:09:09] <CosmicDJ> ZOP: maybe their pkg server is still running dos ;) 8+3 4tw
[09:13:02] <CosmicDJ> Why you need binary compat.: http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/4908-Solaris-and-the-GNU-tools.html#c206560 -> "You want to talk to the developer? Here the shovel ..." ugh
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[09:18:20] <evocallaghan_> fraggeln:It supports whatever, as far as I know
[09:21:26] <ludc> has anyone ever installed Sun's 2.1 Wireless Toolkit?
[09:21:26] <ludc> I'm trying to install it myself but its asking me for the path to java 2 SDK which i can't find?
[09:21:26] <ludc> Enter a path to a Java 2 SDK (For example: /user/jdk1.4/bin)
[09:21:26] <ludc> I am typing the /usr/jdk/jdk1.6.0_04/bin, but no run
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[09:21:59] <fraggeln> evocallaghan_: last question, isnt pkg available in SXCE 99?
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[09:26:33] <the_unmaker> bin/java ya boog
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[09:29:28] <ludc> ...is not a directory =\
[09:29:42] <evocallaghan_> fraggeln:no, and thats a good thing
[09:31:18] <fraggeln> evocallaghan_: check :)
[09:31:37] <evocallaghan_> ;)
[09:31:59] <fraggeln> the vesa-driver "works"
[09:32:22] <fraggeln> but its not sharp, and its slow as hell, so, a nvidia-card for me and im happy
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[09:33:16] <the_unmaker> buy and old card
[09:33:22] <evocallaghan_> Glad I could help :p
[09:33:23] <the_unmaker> and dont go all graphicsy
[09:33:35] <evocallaghan_> Turn off X
[09:33:40] <evocallaghan_> Problem solved
[09:34:23] <fraggeln> naa, i need x for all my terminals :)
[09:35:43] <evocallaghan_> screen
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[09:36:00] <evocallaghan_> I admit I use X, but with Fluxbox
[09:36:16] <evocallaghan_> I can upload a package if you give me a place
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[09:44:11] <the_unmaker> i use jwm
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[09:57:26] <DTEIT> morning
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[10:43:08] <jay0> hello everybody
[10:44:05] <jay0> i am trying to convert a windows network driver to solaris compatible using NDIS
[10:44:29] <jay0> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/ndis/
[10:45:38] <jay0> ./ndiscvt -i ndis.inf -s ndis.sys -o ndis.h
[10:46:00] <jay0> bash: ./ndiscvt: cannot execute binary file
[10:46:04] <jay0> any idea??
[10:46:18] <Stric> run: file ndiscvt
[10:47:21] <jay0> ndiscvt:	ELF 64-bit LSB executable AMD64 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped, no debugging information available
[10:47:49] <Stric> and you are running 64bit OS?
[10:47:57] <jay0> yes
[10:48:11] <Stric> try 'ldd ndiscvt'
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[10:48:37] <jay0> installed OpenSolaris as a guest OS using VirtualBox on WindowsXP 64 Bit
[10:48:38] <Stric> (and check for problems, not paste it all here)
[10:49:08] <Stric> um
[10:49:20] <Stric> first of all, if you run in virtualbox, then you don't need to mess with ndis etc
[10:49:45] <CosmicDJ> jay0: $ isainfo -b
[10:50:50] <jay0> CosmicDJ----the command returned 32
[10:51:23] <CosmicDJ> jay0: so you're trying to exec a 64bit binary on a 32bit opensolaris system; that won't work
[10:52:17] <jay0> what a mess I am doing...
[10:52:24] <CosmicDJ> jay0: and btw, Stric is right; you don't need all that stuff, check the VBox manual for network settings (IIRC they tell you which ip's to use for gateway/dns etc.)
[10:52:43] <CosmicDJ> and just use them and be happy :)
[10:52:55] <Stric> unless you want a playground before testing it for real.. but it won't test much, since opensolaris won't be near your hardware
[10:53:17] <jay0> i understand...but I want to build the driver and later port to my standalone OpenSolaris installation
[10:53:32] <Stric> ok, but your virtualbox is running 32bit
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[10:53:56] <jay0> is there any way to change to 64..
[10:54:11] <Stric> what version of virtualbox?
[10:55:10] <jay0> 2.0.2
[10:55:56] <Stric> it should have 64bit support.. did you install opensolaris or just running on the livecd?
[10:56:50] <jay0> i installed
[10:57:18] <Stric> check if there's a checkbox in the settings for 64bit..
[10:58:03] <jay0> i cannot see any option
[10:59:01] <Stric> docs says you need to enable hardware virt too
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[10:59:16] <Stric> there's a section in the user manual for 64bit guests
[10:59:19] <Stric> go read ;)
[10:59:21] <CIA-25> Renaud Manus <Renaud.Manus at Sun dot COM>: 6756331 smf is not starting rpcbind causing multiple service failures in ON PIT.
[11:00:07] <jay0> ok Stric
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[11:07:36] <CosmicDJ> hm did anybody ever read the sxce d/l license?
[11:08:02] <CosmicDJ> 5.0 YOUR DUTIES -> "You agree to evaluate and test Software for use with your products and provide Feedback to Sun [...]"
[11:08:33] * CosmicDJ sends mail to SX-feedback@sun.com -> "works good, but installation still sucks" ;)
[11:13:30] <oxygene> "for use with your products".. sorry, acrobat reader still doesn't work
[11:15:52] <CosmicDJ> uh, another interesting thing from the license -> "Sun grants You a non-exclusive and non-transferable license to internally reproduce and use Software solely for purpose of evaluation in a test environment. Software shall not be used in a production environment."
[11:18:13] <asyd> hello people, ircing from opensolaris toulouse event!
[11:18:30] <CosmicDJ> hm aren't some (production) opensolaris servers running opensolaris? didn't they violate their own license then?
[11:18:44] <CosmicDJ> fist opensolaris+.org
[11:19:10] <CosmicDJ> +r
[11:20:36] <CosmicDJ> bonjour asyd ;) how's the weather in france?
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[11:23:31] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: that's the SXCE license?
[11:23:35] <asyd> well, not really good today, but we don't care since we're all in a room looking at very nice talks ;p
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[11:23:54] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: yep
[11:24:15] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: yeah. install indiana aka os2008*
[11:24:31] <codestr0m> I think that bit was removed.. you are free to break anything and be on your own now :P
[11:27:48] <oxygene> CosmicDJ: opensolaris.org is by sun, right? sun doesn't need a license by itself ;)
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[11:28:09] <CosmicDJ> tricky ;)
[11:28:28] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: btw did you find the cause of your segfault?
[11:28:38] <oxygene> CosmicDJ: also, such clauses are often added a) if there's a for-pay product of the same variant, b) to further reduce liability ("we always said it's not for production!")
[11:28:43] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: yes
[11:28:51] <codestr0m> there was a regression between versions
[11:29:13] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: with dbx?
[11:29:38] <codestr0m> I found it with dbx and decided that 1 week old software even if they've released it was too big a jump :P
[11:29:55] <codestr0m> back off until I found a good release and it solved all my problems
[11:30:31] <codestr0m> once I get things a bit more stable in my env I'll start sending patches upstream
[11:30:46] <codestr0m> as it stands now I'm probably trying to package things which others haven't cared to even look at
[11:31:55] <codestr0m> I'm also a bit stuck on a one liner of asm which sun cc won't compile to get the real amd64 optimizations in liboil
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[11:55:18] <trochej> Coffee
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[12:16:44] <codestr0m> Lunch
[12:17:16] <CosmicDJ> Pee...
[12:17:22] <trochej> Coffee
[12:17:50] * codestr0m hopes CosmicDJ isn't trying to Pee.. in trochej's coffee :P
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[12:24:40] <cypromis> greeen tea
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[12:48:36] <Anil> Hi..
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[12:48:52] <Guest34877> I am looking for a help on running Purity under solaris-10.
[12:49:33] <Guest34877> I have a purify with version "Version 2003a.06.13 Solaris 2"
[12:50:03] <Guest34877> and my OS is "SunOS se45.psp.com 5.10 Generic_118833-20 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-80"
[12:50:40] <Guest34877> I do not know if these two are compatible.
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[12:54:22] <CosmicDJ> Guest34877: there's a thing called "binary compatibility" in Solaris, i.e. binaries build on older solaris released are guaranteed to run on newer releases
[12:56:12] <trochej> If you code with official APIs
[12:56:14] <codestr0m> cypromis: hej! I've got a 1 liner test case where I think fbe should assemble some code and it's regretting it.. should I email the info so you can forward to roman   pxor (8+" #pair ")(%1), %%mm2
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[12:58:11] <Guest34877> ok, so is there any utility to confirm the same, or I just have to believe it? Actually my purify build got a ABORT signal.
[12:58:39] <Guest34877> and the log asked me to conact the Rational/IBM's support.
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[13:05:26] <carl-> is there a way on solaris .. to see what nfs server/client has set NFSMAPID_DOMAIN to
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[13:06:06] <carl-> i get some  kern.warning] WARNING: NFSMAPID_DOMAIN does not match the server: ... but as i can see all is set correctly and in the same way ..
[13:08:25] <tikkeri> fraggeln: sxce installation is progress
[13:10:01] <CosmicDJ> carl-: NFSMAPID_DOMAIN can be set in /etc/default/nfs
[13:10:17] <_mary_kate_> i wouldn't necessarily expect purify to conform to the solaris ABI requirements
[13:10:24] <_mary_kate_> it works at quite a low level
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[13:10:40] <_mary_kate_> (sun only guarantees compatibility for conforming applications)
[13:12:18] <carl-> CosmicDJ, yes thats true .. although when i read the docs on it .. it said it tries to derive from ( hostname in etc hosts , defaultdomainname .. and so on ..
[13:12:42] <carl-> and somehow that seems not to work here ..
[13:13:07] <_mary_kate_> Guest34877: you might try downloading a trial version of the current purify.  if that works, time to upgrade
[13:14:33] <tikkeri> fraggeln: I've got 1920x1200 during installation. 7600gs works fine
[13:14:38] <carl-> CosmicDJ, and .. thank you .. it does work .. there was an entry on the host in default/nfs that was erronous .. wont help with correct domainname everywhere else .. thanks man
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[13:19:13] <Guest34877> thanks
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[13:52:39] <guns> hi
[13:53:42] <guns> does blastwave mirrors recomended by Opensolaris
[13:54:04] <guns> cause i see only unstable mirrors here
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[13:58:14] <fraggeln> tikkeri: cool, good to know, to bad 7600 seems to be out of stock at my suppliers.
[13:58:29] <fraggeln> tikkeri: GF8400GS should work as well right?
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[14:01:06] <codestr0m> I'm trying to link against /usr/lib/libhal.so.1.0.0 , but there's not amd64 version.. is this by design? I thought there was usually both m32/m64 binaries.. (does this also mean I have to go compile my own from O/N?)
[14:02:02] <tikkeri> fraggeln: yep it should
[14:02:17] <fraggeln> tikkeri: thank you very much for your help
[14:02:20] <tikkeri> fraggeln: (i'm installing b98)
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[14:03:19] <guns> does anyone here use blastwave mirrors
[14:03:39] <guns> i want only know if they're good or no ??
[14:03:43] <fraggeln> tikkeri: should work with sxce_99 as well right?
[14:04:04] <tikkeri> fraggeln: I think it should and it will
[14:04:29] <tikkeri> nv driver in SXCE says it has support for 8400 gs
[14:04:31] * evocallaghan_ looks forward to snv_100
[14:04:58] <tikkeri> accoriding to /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:05:37] <evocallaghan_> On the day that snv_100 comes out, can we kill a GNU/Linux n00b so that it can be remembered ?
[14:06:38] <evocallaghan_> The dealth shall take ~ the same amount of time as a recomplie of 2.6.27 for a 64bit version
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[14:08:53] <fraggeln> evocallaghan_: any year now :)
[14:09:04] <codestr0m> evocallaghan_: do they get to use distcc :P
[14:09:30] <evocallaghan_> Yes, a year for a recomplie. Sounds about right before it blows up your e1000g nic
[14:09:33] <codestr0m> (not sure if the kernel supports that, but you didn't say it has to boot)
[14:09:57] <twisti> guns, Some packages work, some don't. I'm using some of them.
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[14:10:57] <fraggeln> evocallaghan_: eyyy. e1000g is nice :D
[14:10:59] <guns> twisti: cause i begin to use it and i don't want have trouble
[14:11:35] <guns> twisti: does pkgadd do that too ?? or no ?
[14:12:03] <evocallaghan_> fraggeln:.27 rc was blowing them up :D
[14:12:17] <twisti> guns, Do what?
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[14:12:37] <evocallaghan_> I hate all Intel hardware and I saw I will never buy any more again
[14:12:45] <guns> twisti: downloadthe packge and install it
[14:13:10] <twisti> AFAIK no.
[14:13:17] <twisti> But pkg-get.
[14:14:14] <guns> twisti: yes i use  pkg-get
[14:14:20] <guns> twisti: ok thank you
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[14:18:03] <guns> what's the kind of shell that Opensolaris use cause it's diferent from linux
[14:18:12] <guns> of Linux
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[14:21:10] <twisti> guns, I'm not sure what the default is, but it could be ksh.
[14:21:22] <twisti> guns, Type ps and you should see your shell.
[14:21:44] <guns> twisti: yeah thank you budy
[14:25:06] <phips> guns: default for the root user?
[14:25:29] <guns> phips: it's bash i see it
[14:25:47] <guns> phips: but i ask about command cause it's not same Linux or bsd anyway
[14:26:19] <phips> guns: NP.
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[14:33:37] <tikkeri> how do I disable beeper in SXCE?
[14:33:58] <tikkeri> it beeps each time a terminal gets \g
[14:34:37] <timsf> xset -b
[14:35:12] <timsf> or gnome-terminal->Edit->Current Profile->Terminal bell
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[14:37:55] <tijo007> timsf: i'm also using echo 'set bell-style none
[14:38:21] <tijo007> timsf: shit.. echo 'set bell-style none' > ~/.inputrc
[14:38:39] * evocallaghan_ does that right now !
[14:38:51] <timsf> that'd be shell specific though, wouldn't it?
[14:39:09] <evocallaghan_> Works on ksh93
[14:39:12] <evocallaghan_> thanks !
[14:39:20] <tijo007> timsf: hope so
[14:40:08] <trochej> Coffee everyone!
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[14:41:19] <codestr0m> morteng: have you tried to email him?
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[14:41:34] <evocallaghan_> I put that tip up on my blog, Sick !
[14:41:38] <evocallaghan_> http://ultravioletos.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-to-not-go-mad.html
[14:42:21] <codestr0m> lol > set matchbeep=never
[14:43:33] <evocallaghan_> ay ?
[14:43:42] <morteng> Yes   I also found him on xing.  My problem is I love and ron solaris for many years,  and I've created a group on xing.
[14:44:54] <evocallaghan_> I'm thinking about getting one of these Samsung NC10 Black
[14:44:58] <tikkeri> everebody thanks for help
[14:45:14] <evocallaghan_> Look pritty slick, wonder how well supported they are
[14:45:18] <morteng> https://www.xing.com/net/solaris   here it is,  we have local meetings and i tell all i run solaris,  I'm looking for an experienced admin to approve my articles or a sun employee to approve my blogging about solaris.  To prevent trademark clashes and ...
[14:45:27] <evocallaghan_> shame about every laptop now being a Intel
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[14:46:42] <morteng> If possible i need more members to my group  https://www.xing.com/net/solaris  please.   Otherwise xing will close it.
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[14:49:39] <rawn027> What do I have to do to get presented with the option to boot from ZFS?
[14:50:01] <rawn027> I am using B99 right now
[14:50:52] <evocallaghan_> You need to install _too_ ZFS first
[14:50:55] <fraggeln> rawn027: I got the option to install on zfs when i installed in console mode :)
[14:51:01] <evocallaghan_> Pick the text installer
[14:51:04] <rawn027> yeah
[14:51:10] <rawn027> must be only text mode right now
[14:51:24] <rawn027> that will be easier too considering i have no mouse :-P
[14:51:33] <rawn027> thanks man
[14:52:35] <evocallaghan_> np
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[14:54:51] <tikkeri> does SXCE has support for XFS?
[14:55:39] <evocallaghan_> Nopee
[14:55:55] <evocallaghan_> That;s something *I* would like to get working on when I have more time
[14:56:22] <evocallaghan_> http://sites.google.com/site/auroraux/ I outlined it on one of my core objectives for my new distro
[14:57:18] <evocallaghan_> Which looks like a just hereby announced :p
[14:57:39] <evocallaghan_> Still heaps to be done
[14:57:51] <rawn027> loves urxvt
[14:57:54] <evocallaghan_> Need to _fill_ in the web page
[14:58:01] <evocallaghan_> yep
[14:58:13] <evocallaghan_> Going to take all the good stuff and stick it in one
[14:58:33] <evocallaghan_> Make it a small core and then let people maintain kde or whatever ontop
[14:58:37] <rawn027> off to a great start using the solaris kernel
[14:58:46] <evocallaghan_> yep
[14:59:21] <evocallaghan_> I want the *core* part to be completely separate from anything else the user may install
[14:59:35] <rawn027> will the core be small
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[15:00:12] <evocallaghan_> So you could do a core install on your new box in like less then 5min and send over a .7z of your whole app stack off your old install
[15:00:17] <evocallaghan_> Yes, very small
[15:00:20] <evocallaghan_> Maybe 100mb
[15:00:25] <rawn027> exactly
[15:00:31] <rawn027> just like a freebsd minimal install
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[15:00:40] <evocallaghan_> Install time like 5min
[15:00:44] <rawn027> that is one thing that is hard for me to swallow when using open solaris
[15:00:47] <evocallaghan_> exactly
[15:00:49] <rawn027> 7.5GB this install was
[15:00:51] <rawn027> thatsno good
[15:00:59] <rawn027> i dont want a window manager or anything
[15:01:11] <rawn027> maybe a core-text and a core-wm
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[15:01:29] <evocallaghan_> The WM will be 1mb or something with everything inc. and a nice pritty conf file to go with
[15:01:43] <evocallaghan_> so its no big deal
[15:01:48] <rawn027> ahhh i see
[15:01:49] <evocallaghan_> WM is awesome
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[15:01:52] <evocallaghan_> Thats the name of it
[15:01:59] <rawn027> so no gnome/kde awesome
[15:02:04] <evocallaghan_> http://awesome.naquadah.org/
[15:02:12] <evocallaghan_> gnome; hell no !
[15:02:30] <evocallaghan_> I mean, people are welcome to maintain a gnome-branch
[15:02:46] <evocallaghan_> that is, pkg install gnome
[15:02:51] <evocallaghan_> and it will pull that in
[15:03:11] <evocallaghan_> or pkg -cdrom install gnome
[15:03:16] <evocallaghan_> and it will install of CD
[15:03:27] <evocallaghan_> If you get my drift
[15:04:11] <evocallaghan_> Milax made a good start
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[15:06:29] <evocallaghan_> rawn027:Anyway, your *very* welcome to help out.
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[15:07:22] <timsf> What would it do that Milax doesn't?
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[15:08:22] <evocallaghan_> timsf:Good question; Idea is that its a *core*; kind of like a cross between Nexenta core and Milax
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[15:08:41] <evocallaghan_> highly polished
[15:08:53] <evocallaghan_> No apache or whatever is inc.
[15:09:04] <evocallaghan_> Lets the user install whatever stack on top
[15:09:19] <timsf> Fair enough.
[15:09:25] <evocallaghan_> Then have pre defined stacks like; server[], home user[]
[15:09:26] <evocallaghan_> etc..
[15:09:33] <evocallaghan_> Cool.
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[15:09:47] <rawn027> Yeah I love that idea
[15:09:54] <rawn027> its the way everything should be setup from the start
[15:10:03] <evocallaghan_> thanks :D
[15:11:18] <evocallaghan_> You heard it here first ;)
[15:11:44] <rawn027> so what main projects need to be done in order to have a 0.1 shipping product?
[15:12:14] <rawn027> are you writing a custom installer?
[15:12:25] <evocallaghan_> I am
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[15:12:39] <evocallaghan_> text mode one
[15:12:46] <rawn027> good
[15:12:52] <rawn027> what lang/toolkits?
[15:12:54] <evocallaghan_> So you can install in text mode if you need to
[15:12:57] <rawn027> X
[15:13:01] <rawn027> C*
[15:13:03] <evocallaghan_> In C, using xcb
[15:13:38] <evocallaghan_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XCB
[15:13:57] <rawn027> very nice, I would help with the installer but I dont know much C
[15:13:59] <evocallaghan_> I _may_ port it to Ada latter when I learn more Ada
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[15:14:10] <evocallaghan_> Your very welcome to
[15:14:23] <rawn027> do you have all this in versaion control?
[15:14:31] <evocallaghan_> local, yes
[15:14:39] <rawn027> plan on using git hub?
[15:14:42] <rawn027> or google code
[15:14:44] <evocallaghan_> Need a server
[15:14:46] <evocallaghan_> hg
[15:14:52] <rawn027> grrr :)
[15:14:52] <evocallaghan_> Not sure at the moment
[15:15:17] <rawn027> git is my vc of choice
[15:15:19] <evocallaghan_> What's wrong with hg
[15:15:32] <evocallaghan_> Don't like git
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[15:15:39] <evocallaghan_> Its ok
[15:15:51] <evocallaghan_> But I feel hg has been better to me
[15:15:56] <evocallaghan_> and I used both
[15:16:51] <dsturnbull> shell question: i vaguely remember using a combination of tail and head to display all but the first N lines of something
[15:17:00] <dsturnbull> anyone know that one?
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[15:17:35] <evocallaghan_> rawn027:http://xcb.freedesktop.org/XcbApi/
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[15:18:42] <rawn027> dsturnbull: use both together
[15:18:47] <rawn027> connect with a pipe
[15:18:49] <rawn027> your all set
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[15:50:35] <codestr0m> good thing I documented the steps to recover from a corrupted boot archive. fscking thing on init 6 updated the boot archive and left it corrupted.. *very annoying*
[15:51:11] <trygvis> I've never seen that happen. how did it get messed up?
[15:51:27] <trygvis> init 6 run the same tools (AFAIK) that the manual procedure
[15:51:45] <codestr0m> well. I'm going to only shutdown now -r from now on
[15:51:58] <codestr0m> or just hit the button cause I'm tired of this corrupted boot archive
[15:52:41] <trygvis> init and shutdown should do the exact same thing
[15:53:56] <codestr0m> well. I watched init 6 immediately display two messages about updating and boot archive and then.. it didn't actually shutdown.. no disk activity.. nothing.. finally I hit the button and voila
[15:54:30] <codestr0m> and to top this I think I scratched my livecd
[15:55:43] <trygvis> looking at /usr/sbin/shutdown it just ends up in executing /sbin/init
[15:56:36] <codestr0m> well. I see what happened.. my boot archive the other day was corrupted.. I had to livecd rescue it.. now I see that it restored my old corrupted boot archive
[15:57:04] <codestr0m> so next time I successfully boot.. I'll have to run it again
[15:57:06] <trygvis> oh, you restore it? I always just re-create it
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[16:01:27] <codestr0m> I guess he fell outside the realm ov freenode :P
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[16:13:00] <guns> ahh Opensolaris it's good but need to many devloment about Hardware
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[16:14:05] <codestr0m> ok. now my external storage is saying  "Oct 13 16:10:32 fuzzy scsi: [ID 107833 kern.warning] WARNING: /pci@0,0/pci1028,24a@1d,7/storage@4/disk@0,0 (sd2):" drive offline.. blah blah
[16:14:08] <shashi__> In solaris, how can i find-out, for a given file, which package installed that file ?
[16:14:17] <codestr0m> shashi__: pkg contents foo
[16:14:28] <codestr0m> it also accepts wildcards
[16:14:48] <codestr0m> I assume you're on os2008* if not that's not accurate and I don't know how
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[16:15:54] <shashi__> please give me the right command.  I tried with all pkg* commands, but still i am not getting right command with options.
[16:16:18] <codestr0m> shashi__: I just told you.. look up 3 lines
[16:16:41] <tsoome> read manual maybe?
[16:18:06] <codestr0m> what's it take to fix this? c6t0d0    UNAVAIL      0     0     0  cannot open
[16:18:54] <shashi__> sorry, i didn't understood, there is no command "pkg" . My problem is, i have only one SUN hardware, i have installed Solaris10U5 with software selection as "core software only", with this selection it didn't installed man pages.
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[16:20:01] <codestr0m> shashi__: maybe ask in #solaris or as tsoome suggested.. read the man pages for your package manager
[16:20:35] <tsoome> shashi__:  man pkgchk then
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[16:20:58] <tsoome> and learn to use google and docs.sun.com, all manuals are  available in net
[16:21:01] <codestr0m> ruse39: ping.. you know how to check why a drive is offline?
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[16:22:05] <tsoome> another simple method is grep filename /var/sadm/install/contents ;)
[16:24:18] <guns> opensolaris use only kde 3.4.3
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[16:26:51] <guns> i want know something , in windows server we use active directory , how can do same that in opensolaris for exemple make update of machine in my local , maybe that machine run diferent Os
[16:27:09] <guns> machines*
[16:29:12] <phips> 1/win 2
[16:29:16] <phips> dammit
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[16:32:06] <guns> phips: i can't ??
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[16:35:11] <timsf> guns - Google has the answer.
[16:35:34] <jbk> morning
[16:35:41] <guns> timsf: yes i know but google doesn't work here really i must wait
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[16:36:01] <timsf> opensolaris active directory "I'm feeling lucky"
[16:36:04] <timsf> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/winchester/
[16:37:00] <jbk> i wish sun would come out with something that ran on solaris that provided equivalent functionality (at least for unix systems)
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[16:37:14] <guns> timsf: don't think i'm lazy but really google doesn't work here i don't know maybe i chnge my Public IP
[16:37:29] <guns> maybe problem come from dns server
[16:38:07] <guns> timsf: and thank you
[16:38:18] * calumb notes that google isn't the only search engine on the internet :)
[16:38:46] <Cyrille> o rly?
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[16:41:05] <phips> guns: Solaris from 10 will integrate into AD quite nicely for authentication and directory information
[16:43:49] <jbk> what if your AD logins aren't valid unix logins (such as having a . in them)?
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[16:50:34] <codestr0m> I'm not sure, but I think on my last adventure the external drive went out.. dmesg is saying i/o to invalid geometry.. blah blah. drive offline
[16:50:49] <codestr0m> it's not showing up in cfgadm -a either
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[16:51:17] <codestr0m> or maybe it is, but as usb-storage connected configured
[16:51:28] <codestr0m> , but I don't see it in the 2nd laptops zpool import list...
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[17:04:23] <codestr0m> this is it? http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-3C
[17:04:26] <codestr0m> wtf
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[18:10:57] <Dakylla> hi there
[18:11:19] <Dakylla> is somebody here using zfs please ?
[18:13:39] <CosmicDJ> mkfile 1g testfile1 ; zfs create tank testfile1 ; does that count? ;)
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[18:17:22] <ingenthr1> i suspect many here use zfs
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[18:17:55] <ingenthr> myself included
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[18:21:06] <Dakylla> CosmicDJ:lol
[18:21:49] <Dakylla> well does zfs offer a way to have sort of a disk spare
[18:22:04] <CosmicDJ> yes
[18:22:26] <Dakylla> i mean if i've got 6 disks and one fail, does the fs still ok ?
[18:22:38] <Dakylla> CosmicDJ; you are serious ?
[18:22:50] <CosmicDJ> depends on your pool config
[18:23:00] <CosmicDJ> mirror/raidz1/raidz2 will be fine
[18:23:10] <Dakylla> can you explain please ?
[18:23:30] <Dakylla> ok, so it's sort of a real raid
[18:23:51] <CosmicDJ> sure, just in sw
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[18:25:00] <Dakylla> CosmicDJ: that's cool
[18:25:03] <Dakylla> thank you man
[18:25:29] <CosmicDJ> Dakylla: that's all?
[18:25:41] <Dakylla> i think :)
[18:26:00] <CosmicDJ> Dakylla: well read the zpool manpage if you want to know more about spares and all that stuff
[18:26:03] <Dakylla> i just need to setup a nas and i read some lines about zfs
[18:26:15] <Dakylla> wonderfull :)
[18:26:41] <CosmicDJ> Dakylla: http://www.solarisinternals.com/ also has some docs about zfs, beast pract. etc.
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[18:30:25] <_setuid_H> Evening all
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[18:33:12] <Dakylla> CosmicDJ: that cool thx ;)
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[18:37:44] <Asako> is the IPS server down?
[18:38:43] <Asako> and has anybody been able to compile galeon?
[18:38:46] <Asako> Package 'xrender', required by 'cairo', not found
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[18:41:07] <bhall> ips server seems to be up and serving traffic
[18:41:09] <Asako> I need a browser that doesn't suck
[18:41:13] <Asako> which doesn't include firefox
[18:41:31] <Asako> I was getting some internal server errors from it
[18:41:42] <bhall> can you pastebin the error?
[18:42:36] <Asako> Some servers failed to respond:
[18:42:36] <Asako>     http://pkg.opensolaris.org:80/: Internal Server Error (500)
[18:42:39] <Asako> that's all it is
[18:43:10] <bhall> hrm, do you know what time approx?
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[18:44:31] <Asako> about 5 minutes ago
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[18:45:44] <Asako> no big deal, I can't compile galeon any way
[18:46:37] <Asako> hey, does zfs do monitoring like mdadm?
[18:47:12] <Asako> doesn't do much good to mirror a pool if you don't watch it
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[18:49:57] <CosmicDJ> wtf is mdadm?
[18:50:33] <aruiz> CosmicDJ, man mdadm?
[18:50:37] <aruiz> X-)
[18:50:58] <CosmicDJ> No manual entry for mdadm.
[18:51:06] <aruiz> I was joking
[18:51:08] <Asako> try a linux box
[18:51:09] <aruiz> :P
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[18:51:37] <Asako> doesn't matter, I set up a custom script for it
[18:51:58] <_mary_kate_> i'm very confused by the description and examples in driver.conf(4).  how do i apply a property to bge1 only?
[18:52:56] <jbk> heh
[18:53:07] <jbk> you need the device path from /etc/path_to_inst
[18:53:14] <jbk> for bge1
[18:53:14] <sstallion_work> _mary_kate_: what property ?
[18:53:20] <_mary_kate_> jbk: that's the "parent"?
[18:53:24] <jbk> yeah
[18:53:33] <_mary_kate_> sstallion_work: default_mtu
[18:53:40] <jbk> i'd have to dig (can't at the moment) but not bad once you get the syntax
[18:53:42] <sstallion_work> _mary_kate_: use dladm
[18:53:58] <jbk> yeah, probably easier to use dladm :)
[18:54:02] <sstallion_work> dladm set-linkprop -p mtu=9000 bge1
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[18:54:29] <_mary_kate_> dladm: warning: invalid link property 'mtu'
[18:54:34] <sstallion_work> unless this is that silly jumbo frame issue that requires the driver.conf mod, and if it is, I believe that is required for *all* bge interfaces
[18:54:45] <_mary_kate_> the manual page says it is done by editing bge.conf
[18:54:55] <_mary_kate_> (ifconfig doesn't work..)
[18:55:03] <sstallion_work> the man page also says to use ndd :)
[18:55:11] <sstallion_work> (hint: man pages are a touch out of date on some devices)
[18:55:54] <sstallion_work> what release are you on ?
[18:56:40] <_mary_kate_> 10u5
[18:56:43] <sstallion_work> ahh
[18:56:45] <sstallion_work> different beast
[18:56:55] <sstallion_work> well, you have two choices... driver.conf, or ndd
[18:57:04] <_mary_kate_> i prefer driver.conf
[18:57:12] <sstallion_work> then update driver.conf :)
[18:57:19] <_mary_kate_> yes.  that's my question..
[18:57:24] <_mary_kate_> how do i apply it only to bge1?
[18:57:27] <sstallion_work> jumbo frames arent supported on all bge interfaces
[18:59:13] <sstallion_work> _mary_kate_: read the driver.conf man page, it explains how to narrow the scope of a given property
[18:59:15] <jbk> it's like name="bge" parent="/pci@..." instance="xx" where you strip off the last aprt of the device path, then instance I think is the @nnn part IIRC
[18:59:20] * sstallion_work nods
[18:59:25] <_mary_kate_> sstallion_work: yes.  i don't understand the explanation
[18:59:27] <jbk> then list the properties with a semicolon only after the last one for the entry
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[18:59:36] <jbk> otherwise it'll assume they're global
[18:59:47] <_mary_kate_> so my bge1 is /pci@0,0/pci1022,7450@a/pci17c2,10@2,1.  i used this: name="bge" parent="/pci@0,0/pci1022,7450@a" unit-address="2,1"
[18:59:48] <sstallion_work> _mary_kate_: it would be best to just do a global change to be honest
[18:59:51] <_mary_kate_> does that seem reasonable?
[19:00:25] <jbk> i think so
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[19:03:46] <CosmicDJ> will he have to put things like mtu 1500 in /etc/hostname.bge0 and mtu 9000 in .bge1 ?
[19:04:08] <sstallion_work> not if default-mtu is set
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[19:04:19] <sstallion_work> bge is an oddball this way
[19:04:26] <_mary_kate_> but if i used default_mtu globally, i would need to change it back to 1500 for bge0, right?
[19:04:35] <sstallion_work> yes
[19:04:48] <sstallion_work> do the global change first to verify that it works
[19:04:55] <sstallion_work> remember, default_mtu does not work for all chipsets
[19:05:07] <_mary_kate_> yeah, i saw
[19:05:11] <sstallion_work> its okay to have a high mtu - a switch will autonegotiate a correct value
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[19:05:36] <sstallion_work> you can go down, just not up :)
[19:05:58] <jbk> well the switch has to be setup for jumbo frames, or it will silently discard them
[19:06:12] <_mary_kate_> bge1: flags=1000843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4> mtu 9000 index 3
[19:06:14] * sstallion_work nods.
[19:06:18] <_mary_kate_> well, so far so good
[19:06:24] <sstallion_work> lucky :)
[19:06:29] <sstallion_work> my bge at home doesnt support jumbo frames
[19:06:42] <jbk> i need them to get them to turn on jumbo frames for the NAS stuff at work still..
[19:06:59] <sailorvrz_> 0,
[19:06:59] <sailorvrz_> 0,
[19:06:59] <sailorvrz_> 0,
[19:06:59] <sailorvrz_> 0,
[19:06:59] <sailorvrz_> 0,
[19:07:04] <sstallion_work> jbk: I have it enabled at home... makes a huge difference
[19:07:30] <_mary_kate_> i was seeing ~50kpps to this iscsi array and high system cpu, i figure that can't help performance..
[19:07:33] <sstallion_work> my nas is a little embedded sparc box (Infrant ReadyNAS), so it needs all the help it can get
[19:07:35] <_mary_kate_> (at 1500 byte mtu)
[19:07:51] <sstallion_work> yeah, up the mtu for sure, that should safe on cpu utilization
[19:07:53] <sstallion_work> s/safe/save/
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[19:09:44] <Suhail> is
[19:09:51] <Suhail> If you change the timezone do you have restart the machine?
[19:10:03] <Suhail> I changed mine to mountain but it still shows the wrong time
[19:10:14] <jbk> where did you change it?
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[19:12:50] <_mary_kate_> heh, the array only has two settings for jumbo frames: 'enable' and 'disable'
[19:12:54] <_mary_kate_> i guess 'enable' means 9000 bytes
[19:13:22] <jbk> what type of array?
[19:13:29] <_mary_kate_> infortrend
[19:13:52] <jbk> oh hmm never heard of it
[19:14:02] <jbk> unfortunately there are no standards for jump frames
[19:14:11] <jbk> so it's a guess if they don't tell you the mtu size
[19:14:16] <_mary_kate_> they make really cheap arrays... (like half the price of everyone else).  i'll let you guess why they're so cheap ;)
[19:14:36] <jbk> because information wants to be free? :)
[19:14:38] * jbk runs
[19:14:55] <sailorvrz_> my ultra 10 just died :(
[19:15:40] <dburge> does build 100 include zfs encryption?
[19:16:46] <sstallion_work> dburge: check the flag days
[19:16:54] <sstallion_work> _mary_kate_: ouch. that could be anything.
[19:17:07] <sstallion_work> typically though, the switch will arbitrate, and the two link partners should come to an agreement.
[19:17:26] <_mary_kate_> sstallion_work: it's directly cross-connected, no switch
[19:17:28] <sstallion_work> I have a NAS at home with an odd jumbo size... 7.6k or so
[19:17:28] <sstallion_work> ahh
[19:17:31] <sstallion_work> that could be a problem
[19:17:33] <_mary_kate_> hm, it seems to work, i get 115MB/sec with 13kpps
[19:17:41] <_mary_kate_> so about 8K per packet
[19:17:55] <sstallion_work> don't forget to factor in tcp overhead
[19:18:06] <_mary_kate_> yes.  well, i wasn't exactly an even 9K
[19:18:10] <_mary_kate_> but 8K is better than 1.5K
[19:18:24] <jbk> i don't see zfs encryption in there, but i know it's coming very soon
[19:19:19] <sstallion_work> _mary_kate_: nice numbers though
[19:19:42] <sstallion_work> SAS array ?
[19:19:51] <_mary_kate_> SATA (16 disks, 7.2krpm)
[19:19:58] <_mary_kate_> write caching
[19:20:06] <sstallion_work> ahh
[19:20:08] <sstallion_work> zfs ?
[19:20:37] <_mary_kate_> it's not that bad, but for the same price, we could've got a simpler, faster and much easier to configure sas/scsi array.
[19:20:43] * _mary_kate_ was so not involved in the decision to buy this thing
[19:20:56] <_mary_kate_> sstallion_work: vx.  i don't like how zfs behaves when it loses the only replica of a filesystem..
[19:21:01] <_mary_kate_> and no way am i going to export 16 disks over iscsi
[19:21:04] <sstallion_work> ahh
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[19:35:12] <Macabee> hrm
[19:35:17] <Macabee> i have a server with 4 disks
[19:35:22] <Macabee> one is on the way out
[19:35:30] <Macabee> and yet dmesg flags all the disks every now and again
[19:35:44] <Macabee> is it possible that one disk timing out causes the controller to lag making others appear to time out?
[19:35:57] <Macabee> (the 4 disks are 2 mirrors)
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[19:40:14] <Suhail> jbk: /etc/timezone
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[19:48:43] <l_e_o> hello
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[19:59:47] <codestr0m> I'm being told I have drive failure.. is there a tool to pull manufacturer date off it?  something like hdparm on linux..
[20:00:05] <Stric> smartctl (smartmontools.sf.net)
[20:00:17] <codestr0m> Stric: thanks
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[20:04:23] <_mary_kate_> Macabee: it's possible the i/o error causes a bus reset
[20:04:30] <_mary_kate_> that will interrupt communication to everything on that bus
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[20:08:10] <_mary_kate_> is it possible that a patch released on the 9th didn't make it into patchdiag.xref yet?
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[20:13:03] <Doc> mary-kate: when you say the 9th, do you mean September, or 1999 ?
[20:13:10] <Doc> because either is possible, yes
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[20:13:58] <Doc> a patch released in september 1999 has probably made it into patchdiag.xref by now, although i'd hold off for another year or two before i'd guarantee it
[20:17:22] <_mary_kate_> Doc: the 9th day of october
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[20:30:08] <_setuid_H> Hi
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[20:40:11] <Ouroboro> hm, is pico/pine not part of the distribution
[20:40:47] <sstallion_work> Ouroboro: learn vi and be portable ;)
[20:41:01] <the_unmaker> vi rules
[20:41:33] <Ouroboro> no thanks, i am happy with my editor choices
[20:42:25] <CosmicDJ> IIRC blastwave has a pkg for pine
[20:43:08] <Ouroboro> ah right, thanks
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[20:45:30] <Ouroboro> blastwave also has nano :)
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[20:46:07] <CosmicDJ> anyway, sstallion is right; learn vi and you'll never regret it
[20:46:30] <hudnix> Hmm, I'v regretted learning vi for going on 20 years now...
[20:46:47] <Ouroboro> i refuse to learn programs with such terrible UIs
[20:47:05] <Asako> it's a great UI
[20:47:10] <e^ipi> vi has a UI ?
[20:47:16] <Ouroboro> e^ipi: exactly
[20:47:27] <e^ipi> that's pretty much exactly why I picked it up
[20:47:33] <e^ipi> UI's try to be too helpful
[20:47:38] <alanst> vim is an improvement, if you've been using vi for like 25 years....
[20:47:48] <e^ipi> they're usually totally garbage
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[20:48:54] <Ouroboro> i like to have all the available commands being visible in some way
[20:48:58] <turtle> how can you really say if vi does or doesn't have good interaction with the user if you don't actually know how to use it?
[20:49:04] <Ouroboro> compare vi to emacs/pico/notepad/...
[20:49:11] <hudnix> must... resist... urge... to... shill.... emacs....
[20:49:14] <CosmicDJ> Ouroboro: they all suck ;)
[20:49:29] <CosmicDJ> compared w/ the mighty vi :)
[20:49:38] <Ouroboro> anyway, can we not have this debate? no one ever gets convinced of the other side anyway
[20:51:24] <e^ipi> hudnix, i don't have polydacty, nor am I Vishnu
[20:51:28] <e^ipi> so emacs is kinna not an option
[20:51:51] <e^ipi> ;)
[20:51:58] <CosmicDJ> Ouroboro: look we can just share our experience with you; I for example used FreeBSD's ee editor frequently in the dark times... it crashed more then once wihile editing a huge latex document; I switched to vi and honestly I'm glad I did that
[20:51:59] <hudnix> polydacty :)
[20:52:04] <e^ipi> Ouroboro, by this point it's mostly just friendly jabbing
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[20:53:00] <CosmicDJ> Ouroboro: it also free's you from installing pkgs because it's available on every *nux/*bsd out there...
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[20:54:07] <Ouroboro> CosmicDJ: i agre with those points, and yet i have been perfectly happy with pico from day 0, so i see no strong reason to change now
[20:54:15] <Ouroboro> s/pico/nano/
[20:54:30] <CosmicDJ> the day will come ;)
[20:54:52] <hudnix> e^ipi: I actually did once have an emacs key sequence that required both hands and the use of the nose... opened up an emergency root shell
[20:55:00] <e^ipi> heh
[20:55:16] <Ouroboro> CosmicDJ: in the really dark times i use emacs :)
[20:56:28] <Canar> i've wanted to learn emacs for a while, but i've just never gotten around to it
[20:56:38] <e^ipi> my main complaint with the simple text editors like pico and what have you are the lack of advanced features like regexs'
[20:56:45] <Canar> i don't really have sufficient vi wizardry to warrant learning another editor
[20:57:20] <Ouroboro> e^ipi: yes, i use perl from the command line for that
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[20:58:14] <e^ipi> *shrug* I just use vi to do it, no need to pull in perl
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[20:58:47] <Asako> I use sed
[20:58:58] <Ouroboro> is this correct: to set hostname i should edit /etc/nodename /etc/hosts /etc/hostname.nge0, as well as probably set loghost in /etc/hosts
[20:59:02] <Asako> sed and awk for anything I need to script
[20:59:18] <Canar> edlin! :p
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[21:02:38] <the_unmaker> I locked screen gnome
[21:02:41] <the_unmaker> and it crashed
[21:02:46] <the_unmaker> restarted desktop bits
[21:02:53] <the_unmaker> I am on 2008.11
[21:03:00] <the_unmaker> crash!!
[21:03:03] <the_unmaker> yikes
[21:03:09] <the_unmaker> i guess box didnt go down is good
[21:03:13] <Ouroboro> its probably because you tried to use gnome
[21:03:15] <e^ipi> things crash... GNU things doubly so
[21:03:19] <the_unmaker> yeah
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[21:03:29] <the_unmaker> where do I set my desktop?
[21:03:35] <the_unmaker> .xinitrc liek on linux?
[21:03:39] <the_unmaker> Ill go get jwm
[21:03:41] <the_unmaker> ;)
[21:03:44] <e^ipi> it dropped core somewhere, if you care that much find the core and debug it
[21:03:47] <the_unmaker> opensolaris have jwm or icewm?
[21:04:01] <Ouroboro> just use cde like the rest of us
[21:04:07] <the_unmaker> cde?
[21:04:11] <the_unmaker> ok
[21:04:15] <e^ipi> not on indiana
[21:04:39] <the_unmaker> whats command to search for a package again?
[21:05:29] * vmlemon_ notes that CDE probably isn't in IPS...
[21:05:29] <e^ipi> i'll save you the time, they're not in there
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[21:06:52] <Asako> the_unmaker, I've had that happen
[21:07:05] <Asako> I also had an issue where gnome-terminal couldn't create any child processes
[21:07:59] <ahe> what snv version do you guys run?
[21:08:21] <Ouroboro> building 99 right now
[21:08:28] <ahe> my only problem with gnome so far has been that the lock screen shows some ugly assertions
[21:08:32] <Asako> svn_97
[21:08:37] <Ouroboro> so far so good, except for the X font BS
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[21:08:56] <ahe> not really a problem except when you want to show someone how cool opensolaris is ;)
[21:09:02] <Ouroboro> heh
[21:09:35] <Ouroboro> how much of a pain is it going to be to liveupgrade this thing later?
[21:09:47] <e^ipi> it will be impossible if you BFU
[21:10:13] <e^ipi> BFU destroys the package database , such that proper upgrades are no longer possible
[21:10:36] <the_unmaker> yeah my only problem is the lock the screen so when I go take a dump no oen messes with my box
[21:11:15] <Ouroboro> e^ipi: i dont have to use that, do i
[21:11:31] <e^ipi> to upgrade from source?
[21:11:33] <e^ipi> yes, you do
[21:11:38] <the_unmaker> so what file tells X to use gnome?
[21:11:43] <the_unmaker> maybe I can compile jwm
[21:11:46] <the_unmaker> etc.
[21:11:47] <ahe> by the way has someone experienced the problem that after starting the gui package manager the keyboard ceases to work until rebooting the machine?
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[21:11:56] <ahe> i hate that gui with a passion
[21:12:19] <e^ipi> the_unmaker, X is X, it will act more or less the same no matter what the underlying operating system is
[21:12:34] <e^ipi> the_unmaker, it's pretty easy to add new WM's to GDM
[21:12:39] <the_unmaker> e^ipi: righto, yet i dont see .xinitrc
[21:12:53] <e^ipi> ...
[21:13:01] <e^ipi> just add it to GDM...
[21:13:13] <the_unmaker> which is where I would place 'exec jem' under linux to trigger jwm being laoded
[21:13:18] <the_unmaker> gdm?
[21:13:21] <e^ipi> google.
[21:13:22] <the_unmaker> I dont know that
[21:13:24] <e^ipi> use it.
[21:13:26] <the_unmaker> ok
[21:14:00] <Ouroboro> e^ipi: i dont get it, i just want to upgrade from say the snv_105 DVD later, why do i have to upgrade anything from source?
[21:14:26] <e^ipi> you said you were building ON
[21:14:51] <e^ipi> <Ouroboro> building 99 right now
[21:14:55] <Ouroboro> no no, i meant just installing my machine :/
[21:15:13] <e^ipi> okay
[21:15:19] <e^ipi> in that case a liveupgrade is quite easy
[21:16:15] <Ouroboro> will it reset all the settings (services etc)?
[21:16:31] <e^ipi> no, liveupgrade keeps as much the same as possible
[21:28:16] * glance hates cpqarray right now
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[21:31:33] <Ouroboro> interesting, my solaris machine got an IP from my shitty router, but doesnt show up in its list of assigned IPs
[21:33:58] <Ouroboro> hm, now its there
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[21:46:45] <kito> start with shit, end with shit?
[21:46:51] <kito> ooops
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[21:50:47] <davidX-> how do i install the 'find' man page? i'm using 2008.05 and don't seem to have it installed
[21:53:52] <CosmicDJ> davidX-: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=77431&tstart=15
[21:56:05] <davidX-> ahh i hadn't stumbled across the forum et
[21:56:07] <davidX-> thanks CosmicDJ
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[21:58:22] <gnusosa> Hi, anybody succesfully compiled conky port from MilaX?
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[22:13:17] <jbk> so apparently there's a sun office 2 floors below here..
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[22:16:22] <e^ipi> a secret sun office?
[22:17:48] <jbk> i don't know if it's secret
[22:18:13] <jbk> just i hit the wrong button on the elevator, looked out, saw the door, and realized it was the wrong floor :)
[22:18:27] <bubbva> we're everywhere :-)
[22:18:34] <jbk> probably a field/service office vs. developers
[22:19:15] <jbk> it's in el segundo, ca if you're really curious and want to look it up internally..
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[22:20:16] <jbk> basically you can look out and see LAX
[22:20:27] <e^ipi> the Sun never sets on the empire ?
[22:20:54] <jbk> haha
[22:21:57] <houst0n-> Advice: don't try to install opensolaris 2008.11 on a first gen eeepc
[22:22:10] <houst0n-> Waited.... 7 mins for the installer to pup up so far ;)
[22:23:32] <e^ipi> revision 1: don't try to install opensolaris on a machine with a quarter gig of ram
[22:24:16] <codestr0m> yes.. opensolaris has not been tuned for olpc
[22:24:18] <codestr0m> :P
[22:24:21] <CosmicDJ> el segundo? I think someone lost his wallet there ;)
[22:24:26] <jbk> haha
[22:24:58] <jbk> well tim foster got it working i thought..
[22:25:26] <e^ipi> jbk, didn't he shove a gig of ram in it?
[22:25:34] <jbk> no idea
[22:25:35] <e^ipi> which would make it work reasonably well
[22:25:40] <e^ipi> not great, but okay
[22:25:51] <houst0n-> Laptop memory is really cheap
[22:25:51] <jbk> my laptop only has a gig of ram
[22:25:59] <jbk> up until the past 2 builds, it was fine
[22:26:08] 
[22:26:13] <houst0n-> I remember paying a LOT more than that
[22:26:14] <houst0n-> heh
[22:26:20] <houst0n-> 2b? err, 2gb
[22:26:56] <jbk> yeah 10gpb/bit would be closer to vendor pricing :)
[22:28:32] <e^ipi> only enterprise vendors
[22:28:54] <jbk> that's what i meant
[22:30:00] <Ouroboro> hm
[22:31:09] <jbk> amusingly, this place also has a matlab class across the hall
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[22:31:17] <Ouroboro> so i se host in nodename hostname.nge0 and hosts, but now on boot it says configuration of nge0 failed, even though it seems to have actually suceeded?
[22:32:31] <Ouroboro> also something about ip_arp_init failed, only 1 hit for this on google
[22:33:14] <houst0n-> Ouroboro: do you have an entry for that host in /etc/hosts?
[22:33:59] <Ouroboro> i have an entry like this: 127.0.0.1 localhost loghost myhost
[22:34:42] <houst0n-> You want a static ip address yeah? remove myhosts from 127.0.0.1's line and put something like "10.0.0.66 myhost"
[22:34:51] <Ouroboro> no, i am using DHCP
[22:34:58] <houst0n-> Err...
[22:35:01] <houst0n-> ok ignore that then
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[22:35:12] <houst0n-> doesn't nwam do all this for you?
[22:35:32] <e^ipi> jbk, where have you found yourself ?
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[22:35:58] <Ouroboro> houst0n-: well, my DHCP server did not provide a name, so i have to set it manually?
[22:36:04] <e^ipi> somewhere strange , seems like
[22:36:19] <houst0n-> Ouroboro: /etc/nodename?
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[22:36:46] <Ouroboro> yep did that
[22:37:06] <Ouroboro> the hostname is set, but i am having this interface configuration problem now
[22:38:44] <houst0n-> svcs -vx physical:default ? or physical:nwam I guess if you're using that
[22:39:21] <houst0n-> Also try running the physical method manually as root, you may get something on stdout that'll tell you what's going on
[22:40:45] <Ouroboro> well nwam is disabled
[22:40:54] <jbk> e^ipi: where i'm at :)
[22:41:01] <jbk> e^ipi: i'm in el segundo, ca
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[22:43:07] <xRaich[o]2x> .oO(i lost my wallet in el segundo...)
[22:44:04] <e^ipi> sounds like a surreal good time
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[22:46:38] <Ouroboro> hm, do i have to have a fully qualified name in /etc/hosts?
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[22:49:18] <Ouroboro> i think i should not have assigned myhost to loopback
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[22:59:22] <CIA-25> WENTAO YANG <Wentao.Yang at Sun dot COM>: 6757571 Primary domain panic due to vsw_set_addrs set a mac address with a null pointer.
[22:59:23] <CIA-25> Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams at Sun dot COM>: 6758652 clnt_door_call() is not thread-safe
[22:59:23] <CIA-25> Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams at Sun dot COM>: 6755946 unresolvable SID mapping doesn't work reliably
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[23:02:01] <e^ipi> hey, trippy CIA-25 posted those putbacks before they showed up in my email
[23:03:52] <Ouroboro> so it seems that if you have both /etc/dhcp.nge0 and /etc/hostname.nge0 then physical:default will first attempt to look it up in /etc/hosts and assign the result to the interface, then use DHCP if this fails
[23:03:55] <Ouroboro> does that make sense?
[23:04:26] <Ouroboro> i was under the impression that if you have /etc/dhcp.nge0 then /etc/hostname.nge0 was basically unused
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[23:05:57] <sickness> I'm back
[23:07:20] <guns> sickness: welcom
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[23:07:34] <sickness> tnx :)
[23:07:38] <jamesd> i knew you were coming..  i have been feeling a week nauseated all morning.
[23:07:52] <jamesd> ;-)
[23:07:59] <sickness> lolz
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[23:22:15] <Ouroboro> hm why does my rpool list c0d0s0 rather than c0d0? does the installer not use whole disks?
[23:22:36] <e^ipi> no, because there's no way to boot off them
[23:22:44] <Ouroboro> right just realized that
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[23:26:36] <Ouroboro> so what is the procedure to replicate everything onto another disk?
[23:26:52] <Ouroboro> i have to replicate the partition table and boot slices, then attach the main partition to the rpool?
[23:27:23] <e^ipi> http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html
[23:27:36] <e^ipi> :)
[23:27:36] <the_unmaker> how can I bed more women in los angeles?
[23:27:41] <the_unmaker> anyone here a player?
[23:27:45] *** the_unmaker was kicked by e^ipi (e^ipi)
[23:28:30] <Ouroboro> lol
[23:30:08] <Ouroboro> e^ipi: yes, that is exactly what i needed, thanks
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[23:34:47] <e^ipi> np
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[23:39:36] <rab> just upgraded to b99. Why is it that with every other build, the fonts get changed around?
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[23:40:42] <Ouroboro> rab: just to keep you on your toes
[23:41:08] <_mary_kate_> if i create several instances of a SMF service, then re-import the manifest, do dependency changes in the manifest propagate to all instances?
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[23:41:51] <the_unmaker> ill behave
[23:42:04] <e^ipi> rab, i think they're settling down to some sane defaults
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[23:42:29] <Ouroboro> rab: are you talking about the X font package installtion problems?
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[23:42:42] <rab> what problems? My install seemed to go just fine
[23:42:48] <e^ipi> the_unmaker, i know you will, because next time it's a ban
[23:42:54] <rab> rebooted into the new be, and my desktop looks like it was shrunken by rick moranis
[23:43:50] <e^ipi> what build did you update from?
[23:43:55] <Ouroboro> rab: nevermind then, i and others had some minor install problems with those
[23:46:01] <xtrondo> b99 defaults to Best shapes with Grayscale and Medium Hinting.
[23:46:28] <rab> I have subpixel smoothing, and full hinting
[23:46:34] <rab> same as with b98
[23:46:48] <rab> I changed the size of the default fonts, and it seems to have done the trick.
[23:46:58] <rab> they were set at 8, which must be smaller than what b98 had.
[23:47:33] <rab> bugs, bugs, everywhere
[23:47:46] <rab> playing  with the app font size causes pidgin to mis-render everything
[23:47:53] <e^ipi> ask alanc about the fonts.
[23:48:52] <alanc> fonts are pain
[23:49:17] <Ouroboro> when you attach a device to a pool and it resilvers it, this causes the data on the original device to be verified, correct?
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[23:49:33] <alanc> 8 pt default is what the UI guys decided it should be changed to
[23:49:35] <e^ipi> yeah, it does that every time it reads
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[23:49:53] <xtrondo> idd and Firefox seems to have problems with Full Hinting on LCD
[23:50:08] <Ouroboro> so if an error developed during the time that i did not have a mirror i would know at this point
[23:50:19] <e^ipi> so the theory goes
[23:50:22] <rab> and how does the dpi setting relate to all of this? there seem to be thresholds when changing the dpi which result in sudden changes in all the fonts
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[23:51:15] <alanc> in some builds, GNOME scales fonts from points to pixels based on a fixed dpi it maintains, in other builds, it uses the X dpi settings to do that
[23:51:32] <alanc> I can't keep track of which are which, since it's changed a few times
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[23:52:26] <rab> alanc: in the former, changing the dpi setting in the appearance control panel should change the size of the fonts
[23:52:31] <alanc> (technically there are 72 points to an inch, so when displaying a 36 point font on a 72 dpi screen, it should be 36 pixels high, on a 144 dpi screen, it should be 72 pixels high)
[23:52:33] <rab> if it were the latter case, it wouldn't make a difference
[23:53:06] <rab> so is what xdpyinfo reports as the DPI is what the monitor actually is?
[23:53:24] <rab> screen #0:
[23:53:24] <rab>   dimensions:    1600x1200 pixels (411x311 millimeters)
[23:53:24] <rab>   resolution:    99x98 dots per inch
[23:53:27] <alanc> depends on the X server and if it could get accurate data from the monitor
[23:53:44] <rab> the X resolution is different from the Y?
[23:53:50] <alanc> Xsun always lies, Xorg tries to get it from the monitor if it can
[23:53:52] <Ouroboro> resilver completed with 0 errors :)
[23:53:53] <rab> there is no way to tell gnome that...it only has a single value
[23:54:09] <_mary_kate_> rab: rounding error, unlikely to affect display, i would think
[23:54:12] <alanc> could be rounding error
[23:55:14] <rab> so now if I tell gnome to use 98 dpi, my terminals don't display properly...the font is either too big (size 10) or too small (size 9)
[23:55:20] <nachox> what xsun feature is missing from xorg?
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[23:55:21] <piwi> alanc: is there a way to set a resolution not reported by the monitor without using a custom xorg.conf?
[23:55:22] <alanc> I think the millimeters is what it gets from the screen, has to convert to inches and then divide the total pixel size
[23:55:27] <_mary_kate_> nachox: DPS!
[23:55:28] <rab> if I tell gnome it's 90 dpi, then size 8 looks proper.
[23:55:32] <rab> using FIxed SemiCondensed
[23:55:42] <_mary_kate_> nachox: NeWS support?  or did that get dropped already
[23:55:43] <alanc> nachox: support for SPARC graphics older than the current generation
[23:56:20] <alanc> _mary_kate_: NeWS support died long ago, when Sun dropped Xnews and switched to Xsun (Solaris 2.3 I think)
[23:56:51] <alanc> and yes, DPS, which little software uses
[23:57:29] <alanc> the Sun Ray release that runs without Xsun should be out very very soon now (beta was posted in July)
[23:57:42] <nachox> that is cool
[23:57:57] <Ouroboro> what is the meaning of prtvtoc applied to slice 0? i thought it only made sense with slice 2
[23:59:24] <CIA-25> Raghuram Kothakota <Raghuram.Kothakota at Sun dot COM>: 6756939 Panic: Unrecoverable hardware error seen on guest w/2 hybrid vnets when service domain is stopped, 6758609 possible deadlock between vnet and dds code





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