[00:00:15] <loquitus_of_bor1> e^ipi: firefox plugin
[00:00:37] <e^ipi> wow
[00:01:27] <loquitus_of_bor1> what about if I just statically linked in all the C++ stuff? that would in theory make it impossible to have a runtime C++ issue right?
[00:01:34] <loquitus_of_bor1> linking issue...
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[00:08:23] <loquitus_of_bor1> Hold on a second. Are you folks sure I am not supposed to specify ANYTHING when I link my final binary, if I am using those two compiler flags for stlport4? I did an nm on stdlibc++, which I am llinking against, and it does have that symbol, more or less.
[00:08:32] <loquitus_of_bor1> but maybe I am supposed to link against somehting else.
[00:08:43] <loquitus_of_bor1> since I am compiling with special directives.
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[00:10:37] <e^ipi> did you get a core file out of whatever it was you were running?
[00:14:34] <loquitus_of_bor1> e^ipi: no core file. I am runnning firefox. it is not like it crashed.
[00:14:51] <loquitus_of_bor1> it simply refuses to recognize my plugin since hte plugin is incorrectly linking
[00:15:15] <e^ipi> stupid question... ldd on the plugin doesn't show anything missing does it?
[00:16:01] <loquitus_of_bor1> e^ipi: nope. nothing missing. not a stupid question though.
[00:16:22] <loquitus_of_bor1> all ok until I run firefox. when I run it, it does display some messages that this problem exists. that's what I pasted.
[00:17:06] <loquitus_of_bor1> oh, and I just finished checking ALL the libraries I am linking against using shared libraries. nothing uses that symbol EXCEPT libstdc++
[00:17:19] <loquitus_of_bor1> which does have it mentioned in its "nm" output a bunch of times.
[00:17:42] <oxygene> as UNDEF, or with some address?
[00:17:55] <loquitus_of_bor1> So this is just a total wild guess but maybe those compiler directives for my code cause the mangling to change and refer to some version of the stl code that is not in libstdc++?
[00:18:11] <e^ipi> which library are you abbreviating as 'libstdc++' ?
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[00:18:46] <loquitus_of_bor1> oxygene: LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library libmystuff.so [ld.so.1: firefox-bin: fatal: relocation error: file libmystuff.so: symbol __1cDstdM_String_base4Ccn0AJallocator4Cc___V_M_throw_out_of_range6kM_v_: referenced symbol not found]
[00:18:56] <loquitus_of_bor1> oxygene: not sure what you mean
[00:19:15] <loquitus_of_bor1> e^ipi: /usr/sfw/lib/libstdc++.so.6
[00:19:26] <e^ipi> umm
[00:19:33] <e^ipi> didn't you compile it against stlport4 ?
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[00:20:13] <e^ipi> /usr/sfw/lib/libstdc++.so.6 is the GCC version of the C++ standard library
[00:20:15] <loquitus_of_bor1> e^ipi: this is one of the things I do before I run configure: export CXXFLAGS="-library=stlport4 -staticlib=stlport4"
[00:20:34] <e^ipi> right... so, you're linking against two different C++ stdlib implementations
[00:20:35] <loquitus_of_bor1> that's ALL I do in terms of what you suggested I do in terms of stlport4. is there something else?
[00:20:57] <loquitus_of_bor1> e^ipi: I assume by that you mean I am doing something very wrong....
[00:21:00] <e^ipi> other than 'don't use the gcc libstdc++', no
[00:21:09] <sartek> i'm trying to compile *something* and i get _mcount undef'd ideas ?
[00:21:24] <loquitus_of_bor1> well, I do not believe I am explicitely telling it to link with libstdc++....
[00:21:45] <e^ipi> no, autobreak probably is somewhere
[00:22:03] <loquitus_of_bor1> frankly. I am confused here. am I missing something in my link directive then? I did not tell the system anywhere explicitely to link against two different C++ stdlib implemnentations.
[00:22:29] <loquitus_of_bor1> my LD flags are: export LDFLAGS="-L/opt/csw/lib -L/usr/local/lib"
[00:22:37] <e^ipi> no, you're probably not doing anything wrong
[00:22:59] <e^ipi> it's fucking gnu automake trying to be clever except it's a GNU thing so that kinna precludes being clever
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[00:24:41] <loquitus_of_bor1> Umm. ok. way over my head here. I could maybe figure this out in Linux but I am still learning this in OpenSolaris. so far I feel I am damn close given I had STL compilation nightmares last night and boost was all broken and I am not past all that and am even able to link my binary... just a runtime link issue now.
[00:25:00] <loquitus_of_bor1> (keeping in mind this all runs fine and dandy in Linux, not that I am saying Linux is better)
[00:25:13] <e^ipi> ldd output should tell you what exactly is trying to resolve to libstdc++
[00:25:32] <loquitus_of_bor1> ldd on my binary?
[00:25:59] <e^ipi> loquitus_of_bor1, that's mostly because linux has a window of about a year or two before everything's changed , so breaking binary compatibility is a fairly regular practice
[00:26:13] <e^ipi> try installing it on debian stable with gcc4
[00:26:17] <tsoome> maybe you should read linkers and libraries guide from docs.sun.com?;)
[00:26:17] <e^ipi> you'll probably run in to the same issues
[00:27:03] <the_unmaker1> so compiling with sun sutdio dev is easy?
[00:27:05] <loquitus_of_bor1> anyways not saying OpenSolaris sucks. more just saying that SOMEWHERE this code works fine. I have found situations where the Linux compiler was not being anal where maybe it should be.
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[00:27:10] <the_unmaker1> shouldnt have any weird problems?
[00:27:55] <loquitus_of_bor1> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1224981
[00:28:02] <loquitus_of_bor1> that's a pastebin for the lddoutput
[00:28:07] <e^ipi> loquitus_of_bor1, yeah, most opensource development takes place on recent versions of linux and they usually fail to take in to account other systems
[00:28:12] <tsoome> you  wont get wierd problems from any system if you know exactly what and from where are you using:D
[00:28:48] <loquitus_of_bor1> well right now I would just love to resolve this issue.
[00:29:11] <loquitus_of_bor1> I mean can I tell it to link against the right c++ stdlib implementation then?
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[00:31:30] <tsoome> if you know which one is the right one:)
[00:31:47] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: well, if there are 2, i will try them one at a time
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[00:33:07] <tsoome> you are trying to port the code, right?
[00:33:43] <tsoome> maybe you should check the source system, what exact version etc is expected.
[00:35:08] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: well. it used to build fine in OpenSolaris. now with boost and the stl stuff I am doing it is broken
[00:35:27] <loquitus_of_bor1> and I do not run into these issues on Ubuntu where I built it successfully
[00:35:48] <tsoome> broken how? symbols missing?
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[00:37:07] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: runtime linking error: LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library libmystuff.so [ld.so.1: firefox-bin: fatal: relocation error: file libmystuff.so: symbol __1cDstdM_String_base4Ccn0AJallocator4Cc___V_M_throw_out_of_range6kM_v_: referenced symbol not found]
[00:38:22] <tsoome> well, firefox is not linked against lib containing this symbol, meaning, you need to link this lib with your module
[00:40:05] <tsoome> as you managed to compile it, you need to find what exact instance of the lib is bound with include files you have used:)
[00:40:53] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: in other words, there is another c++ library someplace that has this symbol defined that I have failed to link against, right?
[00:40:54] <tsoome> rest is simple - fix your linker command line with correct -R -L options:)
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[00:41:34] <tsoome> if you do ldd against your module, what will you get?
[00:42:01] <loquitus_of_bor1> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1224981
[00:42:05] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1224981
[00:43:03] <tsoome> ayee /usr/sfw/lib/libstdc++
[00:44:02] <tsoome> this firefox is able to run or fails to start at all?
[00:44:31] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: no, it runs just fine. it does give that runtime linking error I pasted above.
[00:44:35] <the_unmaker1> gnu icecat is an alternative
[00:44:37] <the_unmaker1> ;)
[00:44:57] <tsoome> you can try pldd to check libs from running firefox
[00:45:16] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: you mean run ldd on firefox itself?
[00:45:19] <tsoome> to see if there is any instance of stdc++ linked in already
[00:45:38] <tsoome> no, the pldd
[00:46:12] <tsoome> its almost the same but pldd gets data from running app
[00:47:28] <tsoome> as firefox is usually started from wrapper script, and there may be some LD_LIB_PATH settings;)
[00:47:37] <tsoome> LD_LIBRARY_PATH*
[00:47:56] <loquitus_of_bor1> oh so I just run pldd firefox?
[00:48:05] <tsoome> it needs pid
[00:48:06] <loquitus_of_bor1> because yeah... I can't find firefox's binary easily
[00:48:25] <tsoome> man pldd :)
[00:48:59] <the_unmaker1> gnu icecat
[00:49:07] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: /lib/libc.so.1
[00:49:07] <loquitus_of_bor1> /usr/lib/libshell.so.1
[00:49:07] <loquitus_of_bor1> /usr/lib/libcmd.so.1
[00:49:07] <loquitus_of_bor1> /usr/lib/libast.so.1
[00:49:07] <loquitus_of_bor1> /lib/libm.so.2
[00:49:07] <loquitus_of_bor1> /usr/lib/locale/en_CA.UTF-8/en_CA.UTF-8.so.3
[00:49:09] <loquitus_of_bor1> /usr/lib/locale/common/methods_unicode.so.3
[00:49:11] <loquitus_of_bor1> whooms
[00:49:13] <loquitus_of_bor1> whoops. sorry.
[00:49:19] <loquitus_of_bor1> I thought that was one line.
[00:49:37] <tsoome> thats from firefox?
[00:49:48] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: yep. I did a pldd on it
[00:50:02] <the_unmaker1> http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/
[00:50:05] <the_unmaker1> heres icecat
[00:50:06] <loquitus_of_bor1> of course firefox again spit out those runtime linking errors
[00:51:00] <tsoome> hm, doesnt seem like right tbh - its missing all X libs etc, unless its all static link...
[00:51:21] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: it is the firefox3 release for opensolaris
[00:51:36] <the_unmaker1> this isn't opensolaris is it? this is sxce or something?
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[00:52:16] <tsoome> do you have LD_LIBRARY_PATH set in your shell?
[00:52:33] <tsoome> i mean, if you did try ldd against  your module?
[00:52:47] <loquitus_of_bor1> it is opensolaris.
[00:52:56] <tsoome> so?
[00:52:59] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: yes. when I build it, I do set LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[00:53:15] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: the_unmaker1 asked if it was opensolaris
[00:53:19] <tsoome> unset it, and try ldd again
[00:53:42] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: I pldd'ed the script that started firefox. sec.
[00:54:33] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1224997
[00:54:41] <loquitus_of_bor1> that's the output of pldd on firefox
[00:55:02] <tsoome> thats more like it:D
[00:55:21] <loquitus_of_bor1> LD_LIBRARY_PATH is set when I build my binary, not when I run firefox
[00:55:44] <loquitus_of_bor1> Setting it when I build it, to: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/sfw/lib
[00:55:58] <loquitus_of_bor1> Note that the libstdlibc++.so file is located there too.
[00:56:06] <loquitus_of_bor1> not that I am saying it matters.
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[00:57:32] <tsoome> is it, i can't see it:)
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[00:57:58] <loquitus_of_bor1> can't see what?
[00:57:59] <tsoome> all i can see, firefox is using /usr/lib/libCrun
[00:58:10] <tsoome> but not libstdc++
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[00:58:30] <tsoome> libCrun and libCstd
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[00:59:07] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: right, so is that a good thing?
[00:59:24] <tsoome> not too sure;)
[01:00:09] <tsoome> im have not really written C++ in some .... more than 10 years;)
[01:00:16] <loquitus_of_bor1> hmm... it all boils down to a library I am not linking against right?
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[01:01:14] <pitty> has anyone ever used PowerPath w/ VCS ?
[01:03:02] <loquitus_of_bor1> I wonder if I can somehow tell it to link against libstdc++.a instead?
[01:03:04] <tsoome> should it be affected by VCS?;)
[01:03:35] <tsoome> you can turn off dynamic linking for this particular lib
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[01:03:55] <tsoome> if you have static version there
[01:04:10] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: I do have libstdc++.a in /usr/sfw/lib. so how would I change it?
[01:04:18] <tsoome> man ld
[01:04:35] <tsoome> you can find the command line switches there
[01:05:30] <tsoome> still i suggest to read the linkers and libraries guide, it will explain what is actually going on and how you can do some things.
[01:06:58] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: I might do that... but I really need to at least get this thing running for once... any idea what the flag is? I am looking too
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[01:08:42] <tsoome> also, you are probably using gcc to link, may wanna read man gcc as well;)
[01:08:57] <tsoome> i think it does have same or similar flags;)
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[01:11:53] <loquitus_of_bor1> I am using sun studio for the compiler... and /usr/bin/ld for the linker
[01:12:09] <tsoome> hm
[01:12:15] <TomJ> Anyone had an issue with Transmission BT where it won't addn ew torrents?  I'm using hte UI, I have two torrents running fine,  but it refuses to add more - clicking Add then choosing a torrent is ignored, as is choosing Open With Transmission on .torrent files
[01:12:36] <tsoome> but gnu libstdc++ ?
[01:13:01] <tsoome> or is it actually from some other lib
[01:14:13] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: I have no idea.
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[01:14:37] <tsoome> if the code is c++, its good idea to use CC to link it, as it will include some needed stuff
[01:14:59] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: you mean "CC" as opposed to "ld"?
[01:15:04] <tsoome> err, you are doing the linking, do you have -lstdc++ on ld command line?
[01:15:08] <tsoome> yep
[01:15:48] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: no I do not have -lstdc++ on the ld command line
[01:16:19] <tsoome> hm, mkay, then some of the libs you are using is linked against it
[01:16:35] <tsoome> is your code c or c++ ?;)
[01:17:26] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: C++, my code mostly is. but I did an "nm" on all the libs I am depending on. none of them are using the symbol that is causing the problem, except for stdc++
[01:18:24] <tsoome> if its C++, try linking it with CC, not ld, and see if it will solve the issue:)
[01:18:56] <tsoome> i suppose you are using CC to compile it:)
[01:19:21] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: ok. non solaris question. I am setting CC and CXX respeciteviely to override the compiler and pre-processor
[01:19:28] <loquitus_of_bor1> but what do I set to override the linker?
[01:19:37] <loquitus_of_bor1> oops I mean the C and C++ compilers
[01:20:00] <loquitus_of_bor1> but is there a variable to tell the make system to use CC instead of ld?
[01:21:07] <tsoome> LD and LXX maybe but check your Makefile, you should see $(CC) $(CXX) etc there
[01:22:12] <the_unmaker1> hm
[01:24:06] <tsoome> its hard to guess really, need just read Makefile to see how the real link target is written there:)
[01:25:06] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: ok thanx
[01:25:19] <tsoome> you are welcome
[01:26:03] <sartek> solaris works with huawei e220?
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[01:31:03] <loquitus_of_bor1> tsoome: I don't think that using CC as the linker matters
[01:31:10] <loquitus_of_bor1> I tried it and got the exact same problem
[01:31:28] <loquitus_of_bor1> I even ldd'd the resulting binary and it has the exact same dependencies as the original binary
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[01:33:38] <tsoome> hm, wel, is this missing symbol defined in /usr/lib/libCrun, /usr/lib/libCstd or /usr/sfw/lib/libstdc++ ?
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[01:35:58] <tsoome> anyhow it also depends what include files are you using, you normally cant mix different C++ anyhow, if you are using CC, the you are probably using include files from /opt/SUNWspro or something
[01:36:53] <tsoome> if you look man for those classes, you may find what libs you need to link to use those classes
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[01:45:18] <tsoome> hm, just try adding -lCstd on list of linker libraries;)
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[01:55:54] <sponix>         NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
[01:55:56] <sponix>         crap        UNAVAIL      0     0     0  insufficient replicas
[01:55:57] <sponix>           raidz1    UNAVAIL      0     0     0  corrupted data
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[01:57:38] <e^ipi> okiedokie
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[02:00:05] <TomJ> this is in SXCE b99 using the bundled /usr/X11/bin/Xvnc.  I've used SFWvnc in Solaris 10 (/opt/sfw/bin/Xvnc) for a long time with no issues,
[02:01:11] <TomJ> oh I think I figured it out..  now Xvnc is running as user tomj not root, and /etc/vnc-passwd is root-owned 600
[02:01:30] <TomJ> that's it.
[02:01:43] <TomJ> chown tomj /etc/vnc-passwd  and I can login.  not a very good long term solution but it'll do for now
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[02:16:10] <sstallion> eveing all
[02:16:21] <sstallion> evening even
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[02:22:10] <e^ipi> yo
[02:22:24] <jbk> hi
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[02:59:57] <CIA-25> Konstantin Ananyev <Konstantin.Ananyev at Sun dot COM>: 6756285 ipw driver must implement quiesce() entry point, 6756459 ipw2100_reset() is obsolete
[02:59:58] <CIA-25> Konstantin Ananyev <Konstantin.Ananyev at Sun dot COM>: 6755114 ath driver doesn't have quiesce
[02:59:58] <CIA-25> Alan Wright <amw at Sun dot COM>: 6757995 smbd dumped core in libsmb.so.1`mts_wcequiv_strlen()
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[03:14:14] <sstallion> ahh dtrace, what would we do without thee ?
[03:15:14] <bda> Remember a few years ago? :)
[03:15:14] <sponix> sstallion: got time for a super dumb question ?
[03:15:16] <bda> Like that.
[03:15:28] <sstallion> sponix: inbetween my own, sure :)
[03:15:38] <sstallion> bda: bleh.
[03:15:46] <e^ipi> heh
[03:15:55] <sponix> sstallion: zpool of 5x 500G IDE... Had one go bad, even shows up smaller than it is to the bios
[03:15:56] <sstallion> bda: I should be close to having an alpha driver ready for you *hopefully* by the end of the weekend
[03:16:03] <bda> sstallion: :o
[03:16:11] <bda> sstallion: I'll have time to set my laptop back up again.
[03:16:15] <sstallion> I've been busy ;)
[03:16:16] <bda> Upgraded to a 320GB drive!
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[03:16:24] <sponix> sstallion: if it is hooked up, the pool is Unavailable for scrub, or import. But with it unplugged, I am able to access a Degraded pool
[03:16:24] <bda> Yeah, me too. :\
[03:16:45] <bda> These cookies are not very good.
[03:17:05] <sponix> sstallion: I don't have another 500G ATM to swap in, So... How about 1 300G or maybe a 250G and a 300G to replace the 500G ;)
[03:17:10] <sstallion> sponix: okay. have you tried installing a new drive instead of re-inserting the bad disk ?
[03:17:21] <sstallion> that won't work
[03:17:28] <sponix> *Grin*
[03:17:32] <sstallion> you can always go bigger, but never smaller
[03:17:46] <e^ipi> man, i'm pretty impressed with this transmission web client that nevada100 is shipping with
[03:17:57] <sstallion> e^ipi: its in 99 as well
[03:18:00] <sstallion> havent played with it yet
[03:18:02] <e^ipi> it's really cool
[03:18:13] <sstallion> 99 has some nice additions
[03:18:14] <bda> Transmission as in the torrent app?
[03:18:16] <sponix> I'm saving the data I find most valuable and getting ready to call this system a loss anyway
[03:18:20] <e^ipi> bda: yes
[03:18:22] <bda> huh.
[03:18:40] <sstallion> all thats left that really irks me is firefox focus and positioning issues, and lack of acroread on x86
[03:19:00] <e^ipi> i haven't rolled 100 on my desktop
[03:19:06] <e^ipi> just on the headless box
[03:19:18] <bda> ssh -X ;)
[03:19:31] <sstallion> I'll wait for the .iso's, I'm too lazy to do it the hard way.
[03:19:34] <e^ipi> why bother when there's a perfectly good webUI ?
[03:19:43] <bda> Hm, OS X security update. :\
[03:19:58] <e^ipi> $ transmission-daemon and then you use the browser
[03:20:09] <bda> Pretty neat.
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[03:20:33] <sponix> I still run uTorrent through Wine and use its webui, I know its sad, but I still get better speeds with it
[03:20:44] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[03:20:49] <bda> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3216 # CVE-2008-3643 is fun.
[03:25:04] <sstallion> do either of you guys have multiple interfaces on a nevada host handy ?
[03:25:20] <sstallion> preferably one with no media inserted (and is unplumbed)
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[03:28:31] <bda> Yeah.
[03:28:34] <bda> b93.
[03:29:08] <sstallion> can you pastebin the output of dladm show-linkprop xx ?
[03:29:15] <bda> On a T5120. And one free iface on a Indiana 98 box.
[03:29:16] <bda> Sec.
[03:29:23] <sstallion> what devices ?
[03:30:35] <bda> http://nopaste.snit.ch/14269
[03:30:45] <bda> rtls and e1000g.
[03:31:12] <sstallion> perfect. thanks!
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[03:31:21] <bda> np
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[03:59:23] <CIA-25> Guoli Shu<Kerry.Shu at Sun dot COM>: 6758492 enable S3 support for Toshiba laptop
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[04:42:29] <brownfox> hello everyone, does anyone already used opensolaris for production? is it safe to use now?
[04:46:34] <evocallaghan> hell no!
[04:46:50] <bda> I know people running it in production.
[04:46:54] * bda wouldn't.
[04:47:05] <bda> 2008.11 is pretty okay, though.
[04:47:35] <evocallaghan> Anyone could provide some hosting for my scons pkg I just made. I had a bit of demand on my blog so I made a spec file :D
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[04:48:07] <evocallaghan> bda:_When_ its out, yea. At least it maybe useable now
[04:48:17] <bda> It's fine.
[04:48:27] <evocallaghan> define:fine
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[04:49:15] <bda> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=define:fine&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[04:49:18] <bda> Share and enjoy.
[04:49:46] <evocallaghan> bda:Haha, I was going to do the same .. :p but I did not bother
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[05:28:14] <evocallaghan> I got a solaris box here that is able to carry on running the current apps but can't start anything new
[05:28:19] <evocallaghan> It just hangs
[05:28:28] <pumpkin_> maybe you ran out of pids?
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[05:28:34] <evocallaghan> Any ideas how I can find out whats going on
[05:28:45] <evocallaghan> Yea, that's what I was thinking
[05:28:54] <pumpkin_> but you probably can't run ps to find out :P
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[05:29:11] <pumpkin_> try closing something?
[05:29:17] <evocallaghan> $ ps -ef | wc -l
[05:29:17] <evocallaghan>      107
[05:29:29] <pumpkin_> what are the pids?
[05:29:38] <evocallaghan> Not sure whats going on
[05:29:40] <evocallaghan> 1sec
[05:29:54] <pumpkin_> you're definitely running a new program if you can run ps
[05:30:23] <e^ipi> pumpkin: unless it's ksh93
[05:30:37] <e^ipi> which has most of the core UNIX utils as builtins for speed
[05:30:38] <evocallaghan> http://rafb.net/p/yeBeeD89.html
[05:30:54] <evocallaghan> Its ksh93 ;)
[05:31:00] <pumpkin_> ah
[05:31:03] <pumpkin_> didn't know that
[05:31:24] <evocallaghan> else I don't think I could run anything. Nice shell ;D
[05:31:49] <e^ipi> fork()/exec() are expensive so scripts run a lot faster that way
[05:31:56] <pumpkin_> yeah, makes sense
[05:32:30] <pumpkin_> evocallaghan: I'm confused
[05:32:39] <pumpkin_> not to be nosey
[05:32:40] <pumpkin_> but /bin/sh /usr/lib/firefox/firefox http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls
[05:33:20] <evocallaghan> yea, not sure whats going on
[05:33:22] <pumpkin_> client=safari?
[05:33:31] <evocallaghan> ah some url
[05:33:46] <evocallaghan> but why should that stop the box O_o !
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[05:37:29] <evocallaghan> 46% syslogd/11
[05:37:33] <evocallaghan> O_o
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[05:42:53] <evocallaghan> http://rafb.net/p/U69bAm45.html here is some dtrace output for syslogd
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[05:43:34] <evocallaghan> pumpkin_:Any ideas from that?
[05:48:25] <pumpkin_> nope, sorry :/
[05:50:09] <ninjaslim> would it be possible for me to install SXCE on a USB hard drive attached to my macbook pro and then run it from usb on my mbp
[05:52:56] <evocallaghan> I got to reboot then O_o
[05:53:17] <evocallaghan> I think its got something to do with this bloody Intel xorg driver
[05:53:43] <e^ipi> yeah, i'm sure that's got everything in the world to do with syslog
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[05:54:20] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Then why was it taking up ~40% of the cpu time ?
[05:54:41] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:No idea whats going on, it could be anything
[05:54:44] <e^ipi> not sure but why the hell would that have anything to do with a video driver
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[05:55:04] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:glx gears is give 30FPS
[05:55:30] <e^ipi> my hovercraft is full of eels
[05:55:33] <evocallaghan> I already been having big problems with it
[05:55:54] <e^ipi> non-sequitur  != evidence
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[05:56:09] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Any better ideas of how to fix the problem or atleast find out what it is?
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[05:56:16] <jbk> didn't know you were hungarian
[05:56:37] <e^ipi> i dunno, have you tried killing the process in question?
[05:57:40] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Yes, I killed the processes that seem to have been hanging
[05:57:45] <evocallaghan> Still nothing
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[05:59:26] <e^ipi> vmstat/prstat/iostat might give you more data
[06:00:31] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:nope. not that I can see
[06:00:46] <evocallaghan> no i/o really
[06:01:04] <bda> Have you sung the microstate accounting song yet?
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[06:02:34] <evocallaghan>  kthr      memory            page            disk          faults      cpu
[06:02:35] <evocallaghan>  r b w   swap  free  re  mf pi po fr de sr cd f0 s0 s1   in   sy   cs us sy id
[06:02:35] <evocallaghan>  1 0 0 1589636 477628 20 69  8  0  0  0  4  3  1  0  4 1082 280882 1549 67 18 16
[06:02:45] <evocallaghan> Sorry, I can paste anything as no ff
[06:04:34] <ninjaslim> what is the recommended amount of swap on a for a 2GB system
[06:04:55] <evocallaghan> depending on what your doing, maybe 1.5GB
[06:05:34] <evocallaghan> Seems to be something to do with gnome-session
[06:05:44] <ninjaslim> on my FreeBSD server which has 2GB, i use 2GB but i never go over cause it just provides ssh stuff and so on
[06:06:23] <evocallaghan> ninjaslim:RAM is cheap, just stick another 2GB in if you need it
[06:06:53] <ninjaslim> aright
[06:07:00] <evocallaghan> Make your swap 1gb with 4gb of ram. That is far for a normal desktop
[06:07:05] <evocallaghan> s/far/fair/
[06:07:11] <ninjaslim> ok
[06:07:56] <evocallaghan> Rigth, its got something to do with gnome-session
[06:08:05] <evocallaghan> brb, got to restart X
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[06:11:29] <e^ipi> i always just make swap = 1.5x ram
[06:11:33] <e^ipi> disk is cheap, who cares
[06:12:07] <evocallaghan> All working
[06:12:21] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: screen. screen: evocallaghan .
[06:12:27] <e^ipi> now you've met
[06:12:56] <evocallaghan> met ?
[06:13:22] <evocallaghan> How could I use screen if I was in a gnome session
[06:13:34] <bda> ...
[06:13:35] <e^ipi> with irssi
[06:13:46] <evocallaghan> Guess its my fault for using gnome in the first place
[06:14:05] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Yea, I only just did a fresh install of SXCE snv_99
[06:14:26] <evocallaghan> Have not got KDE4 built yet and all the extra foo. Too much to do
[06:14:45] <e^ipi> never heard of packages?
[06:14:55] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:No what are they
[06:15:06] <evocallaghan> Cry out ..
[06:15:13] <e^ipi> trivially easy to make is what they are
[06:15:39] <codestr0m> e^ipi: have you personally packaged the kde4 stuff yet?
[06:15:57] <e^ipi> no
[06:15:58] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:I work on kde4 project, so I build them
[06:16:02] <e^ipi> but i have a package of fluxbox
[06:16:07] <e^ipi> because I use it
[06:16:18] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:I build fluxbox too
[06:16:31] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:I think I missed the part about *fresh* install
[06:16:45] <e^ipi> i don't build fluxbox
[06:16:46] <evocallaghan> and not having time to build extra foo or install it for the matter
[06:16:50] <e^ipi> because i've already done it months ago
[06:16:54] <codestr0m> e^ipi: the current state of kde4 is a work in progress... fyi
[06:17:14] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:I mainly use kde4 as I am working on it
[06:17:24] <Plazma> yea newegg has 1TB Sata drives for $130USD now
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[06:17:34] <evocallaghan> when I get the time; been so busy these last few weeks :/
[06:17:40] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: btw.. were you going to give the boost 1.36 shot?
[06:18:16] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:bit out the loop, have not checked in for weeks !
[06:18:37] <evocallaghan> I'll checkin at the end of this mounth when my bw limit is off again
[06:19:00] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: patches landed today.. we just need a proper sun.jam.. I haven't had time to port the 1.34.1 stuff over. I'm also not that familiar with boost so..
[06:19:37] <evocallaghan> I just made a scons spec file and package today as I had a bit of demand for it on my blog
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[06:27:49] <Suhail> Hey guys, I am trying to restart my apache service
[06:28:06] <Suhail> I've tried: svcadm restart cswapache2, httpd, apache2
[06:28:14] <Suhail> Anyway I can figure out the process?
[06:28:17] <Suhail> I am confused
[06:28:31] <Plazma> what does svcs -x say
[06:29:02] <Suhail> nothing
[06:29:09] <Suhail> Maybe it's not a service then?
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[06:29:18] <Plazma> ive always seen it as httpd
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[06:29:42] <Plazma> and you've verified it's not running via viewing the active processes i assume
[06:29:44] <Suhail> I tried that
[06:29:54] <bda> svcs -a might be more useful.
[06:30:02] <Suhail> That shows quite a bit
[06:30:15] <Suhail> online         May_10   svc:/network/http:apache
[06:30:16] <Plazma> well if httpd is down it has a path to the message as to WHY its down
[06:30:28] <Suhail> httpd is working
[06:30:32] <Suhail> I'd like to restart it
[06:30:50] <Plazma> you should be able to use apachectl
[06:30:55] <codestr0m> Suhail: svcadm restart foo
[06:31:00] <Plazma> yea that too
[06:31:11] <Suhail> aha
[06:31:18] <Suhail> svcadm restart svc:/network/http:apache
[06:31:20] <Suhail> =)
[06:31:24] <Suhail> Guess it doesn't have an alias?
[06:31:57] <codestr0m> Suhail: svcadm restart http works for me?
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[06:32:49] <Suhail> oh it's http not httpd
[06:33:30] <bda> apachectl would probably screw up the SMF contract.
[06:33:43] * bda guessing.
[06:34:03] <Plazma> yea
[06:34:17] <Plazma> i switch between OS's too much.. loonix, solaris 8/9
[06:34:30] <Plazma> and 10
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[06:44:29] <evocallaghan> Suhail:svcs -xv http
[06:47:00] <Suhail> Thanks, I got it to work
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[06:48:10] <evocallaghan> oh, np
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[07:17:40] <e^ipi> i can see why the jamwiki people wanted it to have the same syntax and features of mediawiki, but i don't know why they made it look exactly the same
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[07:23:05] <e^ipi> because java's a hell of a lot nicer to work with than php?
[07:24:08] <e^ipi> jamwiki just works with container-controlled data sources without hackery, unlike the other java wiki's
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[07:26:35] <evocallagha> ping
[07:26:57] <e^ipi> ?
[07:26:58] <evocallaghan> great, that spec file seemed to have worked
[07:27:14] <evocallaghan> onto the next one :D
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[08:25:19] <dark_matter> Hello quick question maybe someone can help me out with...
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[08:26:12] <dark_matter> I have just loaded snv99, and am looking around but I am not seeing the "beadm" utility is it part of the release?
[08:29:02] <dark_matter> anyone??
[08:29:12] <jbk> that's in indiana
[08:29:12] <blahee> dark_matter: lu* as in lucreate, luactivate etc.
[08:29:14] <evocallaghan> Nope. I don;t see it
[08:29:37] <dsturnbull> i have the same problem as this guy - http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2008-June/006768.html - turning a zfs mirror boot pool into a single disk and not being able to boot it
[08:29:39] <sickness> what's beadm?
[08:29:40] <sickness> oh
[08:29:42] <dsturnbull> any ideas?
[08:29:46] <dark_matter> yep I know it is in Indiana, thought it would be in the latest version od Nevada as well.
[08:29:49] <sickness> yeah
[08:30:31] <dark_matter> beadm is the bott environment admin command pretty useful. I am somewhat surprised it isn't in Nevada.
[08:30:59] <evocallaghan> Use LU
[08:31:10] <jbk> well i'm not sure if it'll ever go into 'nevada' aka ON
[08:31:25] <jbk> as it seems the install consolidation would be more appropriate
[08:31:38] <jbk> but probably still considered 'experiental' like ipkg is
[08:31:43] <dark_matter> LU is deprecated.
[08:31:47] <jbk> once it's 'mature' it'll probably replate lu*
[08:32:39] <dark_matter> lu vs. beadm see,  -> http://de.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=69165
[08:32:53] <e^ipi> is there an actual deprecation notice posted somewhere?
[08:33:18] <e^ipi> if not, it's not been obsoleted at all
[08:33:35] <dark_matter> check the link above, LU doesn't work with ZFS, at least that is what I have read.
[08:33:47] <jbk> it does now
[08:33:59] * jbk just upgraded b98->b99 all on zfs root using LU just fine
[08:34:02] <LeftWing> dark_matter: That thread looks like it's talking about the menu-driven "lu" command, not LU itself.
[08:35:51] <dark_matter> I stand corrected then. Still somewhat surprised that Indiana seems to have features that aren't part of Nevada.
[08:36:06] <jbk> why?
[08:36:13] <LeftWing> Well, the whole point of Indiana was to built/test features that aren't in Nevada...
[08:36:15] <jbk> it was always positioned as a bit more on the bleeding edge
[08:36:26] <jbk> eventually they should coalesce
[08:36:35] <e^ipi> dark_matter: LU works with ZFS plenty fine
[08:36:50] <e^ipi> i just LU'ed on a zfs system yesterday
[08:37:11] <e^ipi> barring the bug with my SATA controller, it works fine
[08:37:35] <dark_matter> Thanks for pointing that out.
[08:37:41] <dark_matter> q
[08:38:22] <dsturnbull> can you do zpool add/replace etc on exported zpools?
[08:39:05] <dark_matter> me, I can.
[08:39:21] <pumpkin_> anyone know when 2008.11 is coming out? do they typically come out at the beginning of the month, or at the end? or is there no pattern?
[08:39:42] <e^ipi> usually at the end
[08:39:44] <dark_matter> I think it is likely to happen toward the end of the month.
[08:39:46] <e^ipi> more time to test and stuff
[08:40:35] <jbk> to paraphrase 'when it's finished'
[08:40:37] <jbk> :)
[08:40:48] <e^ipi> jbk: no, it's a time based release
[08:40:48] <pumpkin_> :P
[08:41:11] <jbk> i guess no one else had to watch that movie in school
[08:41:27] <jbk> 'when will you make an end?' 'when i am finished!'
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[08:45:07] <jbk> or even just on their own
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[11:59:27] <CIA-25> Carson Tan<Yong.Tan at Sun dot COM>: 6756610 Update license comment
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[12:40:57] <codestr0m> Anyone in here who's good with asm?  "/tmp/ube_sGAA.29298.P4aqo5", line 635 : Syntax error  Near line: "   pxor (8+-908)(%r12), %mm2 "  .. that's from the temp file.. I think in the code it's actually 572       "   movq %%mm2, 8+" #x "(%1,%0,1)\n" another guy guessed sun cc doesn't like the 8+  bug or can I rewrite this?
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[12:44:11] <dsturnbull> anything crazy with solaris' open(2)? this program is simply doing open(argv[2], O_RDWR); and the file is quite clearly there, with permissive permissions
[12:44:15] <dsturnbull> maybe a hidden ACL?
[12:45:03] <codestr0m> dsturnbull: if you're using sun ls you can do ls -V if you put the gnu tools in front of your path that may cause you problems
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[12:50:57] <dsturnbull> AWCo usual
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[13:26:13] <dsturnbull> open("/tmp/slog\0", 0x2, 0x0)            = -1 Err#79
[13:26:13] <dsturnbull> write(0x2, "assertion failed for thread 0xfec42a00, thread-id 1: (fd_log = open(argv[2], O_RDWR)) != -1, file logfix.c, line 64\n\0", 0x74)              = 116 0
[13:26:29] <dsturnbull> i can't see why this is failing
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[13:31:06] <codestr0m> dsturnbull: I'll trade you.. you rewrite this so I don't get a syntax error and I'll fix your problem :P movq %%mm2, 8+" #x "(%1,%0,1)\n
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[13:35:24] <dsturnbull> codestr0m: nfi :)
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[13:50:27] <dsturnbull> oh, 2GB file
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[14:05:53] <kristoferpetters> Does anyone have a name on the person I should talk to if I need swag or marketing material suitable for young people attending game/hacker conference? W
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[14:07:08] <kristoferpetters> Please send me an email if you know. I was thinking in the lines of opensolaris dvds, t-shirts and "blinking stuff"
[14:08:28] <trochej> kristoferpetters: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy
[14:08:30] <trochej> kristoferpetters: Ask them
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[14:22:41] <codestr0m> blah.. slow day.. :P
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[14:29:16] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: enjoy the slowness
[14:29:56] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: no, but I think I did figure out what was causing my asm problem earlier.. I'm trying to confirm now
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[14:56:15] <Pietro_S> isn't there any mailing list or irc channel for sun cc?
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[14:57:25] <Pietro_S> I have problem that when I use CC when linking I have error __func__ not defined :-( ...
[14:57:56] <tsoome> so, u need to include correct libs;)
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[15:01:04] <oxygene> __func__ is probably a gnu extension
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[15:01:27] <oxygene> one of those pseudo-macros is standard, the others are gnu. pick the right one
[15:05:23] <Pietro_S> oxygene: not, there was missing argument -features=extensions ... in LINKFLAGS ...
[15:05:28] <codestr0m> Pietro_S: read the docs on the sun cc you're using. I think I saw something to that extent earlier
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[15:06:54] <Pietro_S>  codestr0m the latest sun cc should includes gcc's __FUNCTION__ (at least it's written in the release notes) but I still prefer using __func__ for the older suncc compability
[15:07:01] <codestr0m> Pietro_S: take a look at this http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/downloads/ssx/express_May2008_readme.html  I'm also not sure what effect -gcc=1 would have for you
[15:09:38] <Pietro_S> codestr0m: I can't seie -gnu option on that website you mentioned ...
[15:10:00] <codestr0m> Pietro_S: you'll have to dig around to find the cc docs
[15:10:09] <codestr0m> maybe man cc
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[15:26:54] <codestr0m> Pietro_S: what I've been trying to find all day is how to tell the compiler to not delete the temp asm it's passing to fbe
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[15:39:08] <Pietro_S> is there any way how to install all man pages to osol2008.*
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[15:59:27] <CIA-25> fei feng - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Fei.Feng at Sun dot COM>: 6756465 ipw2200 has no quiesce()
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[16:17:36] <codestr0m> anyone know how to not use fbe and use as instead?
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[16:53:34] <codestr0m> to get suncc to use gas or another as would it be something like -Wa,gas ?
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[16:59:24] <CIA-25> Tom Pothier <Tom.Pothier at Sun dot COM>: 6714311 fmstat seems to hang after/during CE storm
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[17:09:57] <codestr0m> ok.. digging deeper.. fbe == as (same thing) moving as to /usr/local/src/SUNWspro/prod/bin/fbe produced the same problem as before, but I'm pretty sure the as code is around to debug ++
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[17:12:56] <Anderson> hi
[17:14:23] <Anderson> where I can find a tutorial that learns how to install a new pci card in open solaris?
[17:15:05] <Plazma> Anderson,  well if its x86_64 you just slap it in lik eany other card.. check the HCL to see if the driver is supported for whatever device
[17:16:37] <Anderson> okay I am going to see that.
[17:16:40] <Anderson> thanks
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[17:33:59] <hudnix> Does anyone know if there are any issues with sxce b99 rebooting spontaneously? I had b94 running fine for weeks at a time, but b99 seems to reboot for no good reason after about an hour of uptime
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[17:38:05] <Plazma> what doesw your syslog and crash dumps say
[17:38:14] <Plazma> any panics?
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[17:44:25] <hudnix> didn't seem to panic... just sudden black screen and reboot
[17:44:53] <hudnix> still trying to find something meaningful in /var/adm/messages
[17:45:12] <hudnix> LOTS of DEBUG lines... :)
[17:45:37] <tomj_> are they all Gnome related?
[17:45:44] <hudnix> yeah
[17:45:59] <tomj_> yeah that's a bug in b99, not related to your issue I think
[17:46:17] <Plazma> tomj_, tck, figures @ gnome
[17:46:23] <Plazma> oh well
[17:46:54] <Plazma> i wonder how odd a 20" widescreen monitor would look next to a 22" widescreen moniotr
[17:47:03] <tomj_> Plazma: actually it's because of the trrists
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[17:47:45] <Plazma> heh
[17:50:07] <hudnix> nothing in the log... in once case the last entry before the SunOS copyright notice is 7 hours prior
[17:52:49] <Stric> Plazma: probably smaller.
[17:53:09] <Plazma> Stric,  :) .. i mean ascteticly
[17:53:13] <Plazma> and if it would annoy me or not
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[18:00:45] <TomJ> How does it work having CIFS and Samba enabled simultaneously in SXCE?  Or indeed, does it work?
[18:03:41] <TomJ> no, don't think it works, mutually exclusive
[18:03:50] <Stric> They're using the same ports, so .. "no"
[18:04:23] <Plazma> same thing pretty much though no?
[18:04:32] <Plazma> except SMB gives you more i would assume
[18:05:01] <Stric> samba has more features (domain controller etc), in-kernel CIFS should have higher perf
[18:05:03] <TomJ> SMB/CIFS is great with the one extremely major exception that you can't share multiple ZFS datasets/filesystems as one
[18:05:13] <Plazma> right
[18:05:32] <Plazma> yea i figured it was samba that gave you more.. but bleh
[18:05:40] <TomJ> so if yo uhave hundreds of ZFS filesystems, and you try to set sharesmb=on on the root level, you end up with XXX different SMB shares, and mounting the top level one from windows won't let you browse to any of the lower level ones
[18:05:54] <Plazma> thats ghetto
[18:05:56] <hudnix> you can run both if you set up a zone with samba
[18:06:02] <TomJ> if they can fix this, built-in CIFS will be superb.  if they can't (And it's the same way for NFS), then I dont see how it can ever be all that useful
[18:06:17] <Stric> for very small-scale stuff..
[18:06:19] <TomJ> because ZFS teaches us to have hundreds of filesystems, but hten as soon as you try to share them it becomes a nightmare
[18:06:27] <Plazma> maybe it has something to do with NTFS permissions at different levels
[18:06:50] <Stric> and "how much free space do I have here?"
[18:07:11] <TomJ> free space?
[18:07:22] <Stric> free disk space
[18:07:39] <TomJ> how do you mean? I dont get what that refers to
[18:07:48] <Stric> if you're presenting 3 different filesystems as 1.. what size/free will you report to the win machine?
[18:08:20] <TomJ> oh I see
[18:08:37] <Stric> not that samba will give a good answer either I guess, but..
[18:08:40] <TomJ> well just the info for the top level one I guess, same way samba would do it
[18:08:41] <TomJ> yeah
[18:08:49] <TomJ> i'd much rather have that issue than the one we currently have
[18:10:16] * Stric is migrating to zfs at work when u6 comes, with all the fun of NFS sharing 3000 filesystems..
[18:10:43] <TomJ> hehe
[18:10:49] <TomJ> at least in NFS the automounter can help some
[18:10:59] <TomJ> i'm doing a lot of automount stuff to get my ZFS stuff mounted immediately
[18:11:01] <Stric> it's still a PITA
[18:11:20] <Stric> due to previous hierarchical stuff..
[18:11:33] <Stric> so I'm getting like 100 automount maps
[18:11:46] <TomJ> though then I do have to do some nasty hacks like a regular cronjob that runs a ls on directories I know will be exist, every 12 hours, so people can do a ls and see the automount stuff
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[18:14:45] <holcomb> jesus.
[18:15:18] <trochej> Wow
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[18:31:15] <hudnix> argh, the centos zone tarball is missing libstdc++.so.6, and quickbooks needs it :(
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[18:38:45] <h3sp4wn> Just install it with yum
[18:38:47] <nachox> and you cant install whatever rpm has it?
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[18:42:11] <hudnix> I'm more of a ubuntu guy... where can I find the rpm?
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[18:44:16] <nachox> yum
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[18:45:10] <hudnix> gotcha
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[18:47:23] <nachox> try yum install libstdc++.so.5
[18:50:05] <hudnix> I have .5. I need .6.
[18:51:15] <hudnix> but yum install libstdc++.so.6 seems to be doing stuff... downloading a bunch of headers right now...
[18:51:55] <nachox> sorry, typo :)
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[18:54:27] <hudnix> Trying to run the Quickbooks linux server in a linux-branded zone.... I'm getting the sinking feeling that I'm the first one to try this...
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[18:55:24] <hudnix> argh, says it couldn't find a package match libstdc++.so.6.
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[18:56:52] <nachox> what is quickbooks?
[18:58:40] <hudnix> A very popular bookkeeping program - used widely by small business
[18:59:25] <CIA-25> John Levon <john.levon at sun dot com>: 6729345 libdiskmgmt does not consider all DDI_NT_BLOCK disks
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[19:24:00] <einand|fscons> I have tried to ask google but did not find any answer. Does anyon know if WWAN hs2300 (Sierra 8775) works with opensolaris
[19:24:54] <Doc> hrmmm
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[20:33:06] <codestr0m> ok.. I'm trying to failsafe boot os2008 after doing a reboot and I'm getting some message like krtld could neither locate nor resolve symbols for /platform/i86pc/kernel/amd64/unix.. should I live cd and try to recover that way? *help*
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[20:42:13] <ruse39> I've got a problem with KTorrent "Too many files opened", I've adjusted rlim_fd_cur=128000, rlim_fd_max=128000 but still experiencing same issue. What else should be adjusted ?
[20:42:26] <ruse39> or maybe I should reboot box ?
[20:42:28] <the_unmaker1> use an other torrent tool
[20:42:31] <the_unmaker1> if so unhappy
[20:42:51] <codestr0m> ok.. I've booted from the live cd and zpool list is telling me no pools available
[20:42:59] <ruse39> KTorrent is very CPU-wise, when you generating a lot of traffic
[20:43:03] <codestr0m> is that to be expected?
[20:43:17] <e^ipi> transmission is included now. and it's got a web client :D
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[20:44:39] <ruse39> transmission is worse than Ktorrent
[20:44:57] <ruse39> when I load all my .torrent files for seeding into transmission it starts to eat ~900Mb of RAM
[20:45:15] <codestr0m> e^ipi: from a livecd should I see my hd's pool?
[20:45:43] <e^ipi> it's possible
[20:45:54] <codestr0m> I'll try to mount manually
[20:45:54] <e^ipi> if you've imported it
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[20:46:01] <codestr0m> I just don't want to screw anything up
[20:46:53] <e^ipi> ruse39: /etc/system is only parsed on boot IIRC
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[20:47:25] <ruse39> I know, but this sys variables can be adjusted runtime ?
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[20:48:50] <e^ipi> with the debugger maybe but /etc/system is  a safer way to do it
[20:49:19] <ninjaslim> yo Solaris is amazing!
[20:49:20] <e^ipi> while you're at it, set ndd:tcp_recv_hiwat and ndd:tcp_xmit_hiwat to 1048576
[20:49:34] <ruse39> okay, done
[20:49:36] <e^ipi> for better TCP performance
[20:49:39] <ruse39> now I think time to "init 6"
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[20:52:05] <codestr0m> e^ipi: format is showing me c4d0 and I tried to mount -F zfs /dev/dsk/c4d0p0 /mnt/sol and it's returning invalid dataset name, but the c4d0p0 device node is there
[20:52:27] <e^ipi> that's not how mount works
[20:52:31] <e^ipi> import the pool
[20:52:52] <e^ipi> and -F zfs takes the syntax <poolname>/<zfs name>
[20:53:00] <e^ipi> not  a /dev node
[20:53:02] <ninjaslim> how can i upgrade SXCE from 98 to 99
[20:53:11] <e^ipi> ninjaslim: google://solaris+liveupgrade
[20:53:41] <jbk> or just read jmcp's blog entry if you're using zfs root
[20:54:03] <ninjaslim> jbk: is that for me
[20:54:17] <jbk> yes
[20:55:02] <ninjaslim> jbk: i am using a zfs root, but would i still be able to use the liverupgrad thing
[20:55:18] <jbk> yes
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[20:55:51] <jbk> if you read he lists all steps but the very first (installing the new live upgrade packages from b99 image)
[20:55:59] <e^ipi> yes.
[20:56:01] <e^ipi> do that...
[20:56:10] <e^ipi> or else you might run in to issues
[20:56:12] <e^ipi> ...
[20:56:24] <e^ipi> not that i have recently or anything
[20:56:33] <jbk> <_<
[20:56:34] <jbk> >_>
[20:57:04] <codestr0m> I've imported my rpool at /mnt/sol.. I can see most things, but can't find /platform
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[20:58:26] <ruse39> heh, e^ipi looks like nothing changed
[20:58:55] <e^ipi> after setting the stuff in /etc/system?
[20:59:10] <codestr0m> I've no update_grub either..
[20:59:13] <e^ipi> you didn't get a message at boot saying 'couldn't find module' or anything did you?
[21:00:31] <ruse39> e^ipi, nope
[21:00:35] <ruse39> ulimit -n shows me 256000
[21:02:06] <ruse39> pfiles `pgrep ktorrent` | egrep "^[ 0-9]+:" | wc -l shows about 151
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[21:06:36] <codestr0m> e^ipi: can you advise how I can restore my kernel? I don't see a /platform when I imported the pool
[21:07:21] <ruse39> you should rebuild your boot archive I think
[21:07:25] <ruse39> but I don't know how
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[21:08:30] <e^ipi> not sure how you got in that situation in the first place
[21:08:50] <e^ipi> in either case, make sure you've got everything mounted, rpool/ROOT is typically a legacy mount
[21:09:37] <codestr0m> I used reboot instead of init 6
[21:10:12] <e^ipi> nah, that wouldn't have done it
[21:10:18] <codestr0m> yes it would have
[21:10:45] <e^ipi> what, did you upgrade something and then reboot?
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[21:11:39] <codestr0m> nope. I've intentionally not updated
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[21:19:11] <the_unmaker1> I haev opensolaris 15jan08
[21:19:15] <the_unmaker1> can i load this
[21:19:18] <the_unmaker1> then upgrade?
[21:19:27] <the_unmaker1> it had a problem finding my nic i think
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[21:23:14] <nachox> yes, you can
[21:24:13] <ruse39> the_unmaker, what nic you have ?
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[21:29:42] <the_unmaker1>  Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78)
[21:30:17] <ruse39> the_unmaker, it is supported
[21:30:23] <ruse39> you probably may have ifconfig -a plumb
[21:30:26] <the_unmaker1> k00l
[21:30:31] <ruse39> then see with ifconfig -a your nic
[21:30:37] <the_unmaker1> its during the cd laoding when it sopped
[21:30:48] <the_unmaker1> so i had no control...
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[21:30:59] <the_unmaker1> gak
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[21:35:34] <ninjaslim> i'm running SXCE off of my WD SATA 80GB hard drive attached via a usb adaptor, my root is zfs, could that combined with it being on usb cause slowodwns, i've noticed them as i used the system
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[21:37:04] <e^ipi> probably, USB is incredibly slow
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[21:38:30] <morteng> I have a small problem with  pptp  and VPN  I have just installed  Solaris PPTP Client   I try   # pptp  vpn.secureix.com  secureix.com  morten.gulbrandsen at secureix dot com   password
[21:38:35] <ninjaslim> it is but i don't have another system to install it
[21:38:35] <ninjaslim> on
[21:38:40] <smtms> USB 1.1 is slow
[21:38:50] <ninjaslim> oh that might explain it
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[21:39:03] <ninjaslim> is there a way to check which one i have i'm not exactly sure
[21:40:40] <twisti> Hi.
[21:41:10] <twisti> One of my make processes hangs:
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[21:42:12] <twisti> http://rafb.net/p/TgaxiF65.html
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[21:43:19] <twisti> I also tried to attach dbx but:
[21:43:23] <twisti> dbx: PcsPD::new_from_pid(): cannot attach -- process consistently in PR_PCINVAL condition
[21:44:49] <maxote> please, give me one IP of  "$  nslookup www.netlib.org.   "
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[21:46:09] <twisti> ** server can't find www.netlib.org: SERVFAIL
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[21:49:19] <twisti> codestr0m, ping
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[21:52:39] <twisti> truss shows:
[21:52:43] <twisti> 17410:	stat64("/net/workstation/export/home/twisti/projects/openjdk/icedtea6-bootstrap/build-hotspot/openjdk-ecj", 0x08044FA0) (sleeping...)
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[21:55:13] <twisti> Hmm, any files under /net cause a hang.
[21:55:18] <twisti> Can anyone enligthen me?
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[22:18:19] <nachox> twisti, /net is an nfs mounted dir?
[22:18:25] <twisti> No.
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[22:18:58] <twisti> file /net/foo hangs.
[22:20:56] <nachox> /net is it's own filesystem? is it zfs?
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[22:21:31] <twisti> Yes it's on ZFS.
[22:21:38] <twisti> On the root partition.
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[22:22:37] <nachox> scrub it
[22:22:51] <twisti>  /net?
[22:23:57] <nachox> the pool, maybe one of the devices is failing?
[22:24:52] <twisti> I think it's related to network configuration.
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[22:44:29] <codestr0m> twisti I saw you pinged me earlier. I was doing a small write-up on my interesting round tonight
[22:44:41] <codestr0m> you were having network issue or got openjdk to build?
[22:45:15] <twisti> I think network issues.
[22:45:23] <twisti> Could you try:
[22:45:27] <twisti> $ file /net/foo
[22:45:53] <codestr0m> twisti: that's some linux hack I think.. won't work..
[22:46:07] <twisti> Eh?
[22:46:18] <codestr0m> what issue are you specifically having?
[22:46:27] <twisti> This command hangs.
[22:46:42] <codestr0m> should just come back can't open or something
[22:46:44] <twisti> A stat on any file under /net hangs.
[22:46:56] <codestr0m> ok. well. don't do that?
[22:46:58] <twisti> Like:
[22:47:14] <twisti> stat64("/net/ffoo", 0x0806A828)	(sleeping...)
[22:47:25] <twisti> Well, OpenJDK's build system does it.
[22:47:41] <codestr0m> what's your uname -a ?
[22:47:53] <twisti> SunOS workstation 5.11 snv_98 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
[22:47:59] <codestr0m> on snv_96 I don't have that problem
[22:48:19] <codestr0m> are you building as root or regular user?
[22:48:19] <twisti> I guess it's related to:
[22:48:29] <twisti> $ host workstation
[22:48:29] <twisti> workstation has address 72.53.194.141
[22:48:29] <twisti> Host workstation not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[22:48:34] <twisti> Normal user.
[22:48:48] <twisti> That is not my IP address.
[22:48:52] <codestr0m> are you using nwam?
[22:49:01] <twisti> Unfortunately yes.
[22:49:05] <codestr0m> k
[22:49:08] <twisti> But I want to kick it.
[22:49:09] <codestr0m> so am I
[22:49:27] <twisti> It takes my interface down way too oftern.
[22:49:30] <codestr0m> oh yeah. that'll happen.. you'll need to do svcadm restart nwam once in a while
[22:49:50] <twisti> But I don't know yet how to connect via WIFI without nwam.
[22:50:19] <twisti> Probably someone in here could help me.
[22:50:58] <codestr0m> I'm sure I could look it up, but I don't think nwam is causing stat /net/foo to hang..
[22:51:44] <codestr0m> host workstation.. Host workstation not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[22:52:36] <e^ipi> what's the problem here?
[22:52:52] <e^ipi> if /net/foo is hanging then foo doesn't exist on the network in a resolvable form
[22:53:41] <codestr0m> e^ipi: mine doesn't resolve, but doesn't hang anything.. I just get no such file.. could this be an snv_98 issue?
[22:53:45] <twisti> I see.
[22:53:59] <twisti> e^ipi, Could you tell me what /net is?
[22:54:17] <twisti> Actually the problem is /net/workstation hangs too.
[22:54:26] <oxygene> twisti: take a look at /etc/auto_master
[22:54:46] <e^ipi> /net/<host> == the nfs mounts at host
[22:55:12] <twisti>  /net            -hosts          -nosuid,nobrowse
[22:55:20] <codestr0m> same as mine
[22:55:29] <e^ipi> so i'll ask again
[22:55:32] <e^ipi> what's the issue here?
[22:55:54] <twisti> The OpenJDK build system hangs at some point and there is a stat on a file:
[22:55:58] <e^ipi> if foo is not on the network, of course you'll have a hard time connecting to it's nfs shares
[22:56:13] <twisti>  /net/workstation/export/home/...
[22:56:41] <twisti> workstation is name of the local box.
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[22:58:37] <e^ipi> okay... so... fix it to not look at nonexistent NFS hosts
[22:59:23] <twisti> Well, the stat is done by make so I can't change it.
[23:00:08] <e^ipi> you could change the makefile *shrug*
[23:01:01] <ninjaslim> guys the graphical install only allows you to install on UFS right?
[23:01:29] <codestr0m> ninjaslim: for os2008* you can get a zfs root.. not sure about SXCE or sol10
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[23:01:40] <ninjaslim> sol10 you can't
[23:02:02] <ninjaslim> for SXCE, i've only seen the option in the text mode installation, but i'm not sure what the default is for graphical installation
[23:02:51] <e^ipi> ufs
[23:03:02] <ninjaslim> ok that's better for me cause of the usb thing
[23:03:04] <ninjaslim> tahnks
[23:03:51] <e^ipi> use the text installer if you want ZFS root
[23:04:14] <ninjaslim> i do have a ZFS root but the root being on a usb drive is too slow for ZFS
[23:04:27] <e^ipi> i doubt that you'll see improvement with UFS
[23:04:27] <ninjaslim> so i'm about to reinstall
[23:04:32] <ninjaslim> how come?
[23:04:38] <e^ipi> it'll probably get worse actually
[23:04:44] <ninjaslim> ?
[23:04:59] <ninjaslim> i'm talking about raw boot speed, i have to wait about 5 or 6 min before i get anything
[23:05:12] <e^ipi> and?
[23:05:21] <e^ipi> why would you think UFS would be better?
[23:06:11] <ninjaslim> isn't ZFS more resource and disk intensive than UFS
[23:06:14] <e^ipi> no
[23:06:21] <e^ipi> it's more ram and CPU intensive
[23:06:37] <e^ipi> that's not your problem, your problem is that USB is balls slow
[23:06:53] <codestr0m> e^ipi: where's the manual for /etc/auto_master I can't find it.. I'm trying to lookup the nonexistent NFS hosts option
[23:07:13] <oxygene> codestr0m: automount
[23:07:43] <Plazma> man auto_master should bring up a manpage
[23:07:55] <Plazma> if not htere is plenty of autofs guides out there
[23:08:14] <codestr0m> Plazma: it didn't and I wans't away it was managed under automount. I'll look there
[23:08:14] <oxygene> doesn't on sol10. but automount(1m) has lots of information about the auto_* files
[23:08:24] <codestr0m> k. will read up
[23:08:42] <Plazma> hmm
[23:08:59] <Plazma> ill have to check that on my sol10 boxes at work when i go back.. i swore man auto_* worked
[23:09:15] <codestr0m> I'm on os2008* so it may be on sol10
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[23:33:07] <sailorvrz> my install is failing on that disk :( anyone know a solution? http://rafb.net/p/FRWhIo37.html
[23:33:49] <sailorvrz> already tried every single option in format>.. even format
[23:35:20] <e^ipi> installing what?
[23:35:51] <e^ipi> and why are you using fdisk to do it?
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[23:39:48] <sailorvrz> e^ipi: solaris 10, failing at getting disk label
[23:40:26] <sailorvrz> curiosly I can't use that drive... the other one works well
[23:40:52] <sailorvrz> but I'm pretty sure the drive is working fine... I just made a mistake and installed linux ;)
[23:41:21] <e^ipi> the S10 installer isn't abstracting this away for you?
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[23:42:06] <sailorvrz> nope, I'm getting an error that the drive can't be used as it has corruped label
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[23:42:47] <sailorvrz> tried formating it with format but it took like 3 hours to format und verify
[23:42:52] <sailorvrz> still doesn't work
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[23:43:14] <e^ipi> you sure the disk isn't just pooched altogether?
[23:43:37] <sailorvrz> yeah as I said it's working fine with linux
[23:44:20] <nachox> can you add it to a ZFS pool?
[23:44:58] <sailorvrz> haven't tried that as I'm now in the minimal install console over LOM
[23:45:17] <sailorvrz> I would paste the error rom the installer... but it's in german
[23:45:28] <sailorvrz> s/rom/from
[23:52:43] <sailorvrz> http://rafb.net/p/fQGcsD58.html
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[23:54:48] <sailorvrz> and the output from format http://rafb.net/p/yctqit79.html
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