[00:00:06] <TomJ> single disk != raid1 :)
[00:00:06] <einand|fscons> 2disks then
[00:00:07] <TomJ> yes
[00:00:14] <TomJ> ok so 18 data drives?
[00:00:24] <einand|fscons> no, 20 storage, and 2 system
[00:00:27] <TomJ> ok cool
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[00:00:35] <TomJ> they can be much smaller of course, 40GB would be fine
[00:00:50] <einand|fscons> like 80GB for system, costs about 50 USD
[00:01:00] <TomJ> yeah you probably cant even buy 40gb any more
[00:01:04] <einand|fscons>  55,24 USD
[00:01:06] <seanmcg> einand|fscons, who you buying these $103.58 dollar 1.5TB disks from ?  (I'm in Ireland..)
[00:01:09] <einand|fscons> with todays range
[00:02:04] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: from swedens biggest reseller, i pay 1200 SEK (swedishkrones) for eatch
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[00:03:38] <seanmcg> do the delivery outside sweden ?
[00:04:03] <einand|fscons> but with todays xchangerate it will be  55,24 USD
[00:04:11] <einand|fscons> i menat  165,73 USD
[00:04:11] <einand|fscons>
[00:04:47] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: i don't think they do that yet. but they plan to expand to UK.
[00:04:59] <seanmcg> name ?
[00:05:04] <einand|fscons> dustin
[00:05:13] <seanmcg> thanks.
[00:05:16] <einand|fscons> http://www.dustin.se/
[00:05:30] 
[00:05:32] <einand|fscons> also i get 10-20% discount as a student
[00:05:52] <TomJ> ah that explains most of the difference then
[00:06:54] <einand|fscons> http://www.dustin.se/pd_5010165830.aspx
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[00:07:10] <einand|fscons> then i pay 1225 or something for it
[00:07:12] <einand|fscons> SEK
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[00:07:48] <seanmcg> einand|fscons, I usually go with komplett
[00:07:56] 
[00:07:58] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: i hate komplett
[00:08:09] <TomJ> komplett is nearly out of business I heard
[00:08:50] <seanmcg> komplett seem to be winding down with some countries.  In ireland they're actually opening a new depot
[00:09:52] <einand|fscons> i did get an CPU from then, that dident work. I sendit back in the samebox and package. later komplett has broken all the (leggs/pins?) of the cpu. And send it back and told me it was broken. and i hade to pay more for the service than for the cpu
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[00:11:41] <seanmcg> I've usually got ok with them.  Takes forever for them to deliver though
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[00:12:58] <h3sp4wn> Scan usually have my stuff with me before lunchtime the next day
[00:13:36] <einand|fscons> dustin deliver nextmorning
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[00:13:53] <einand|fscons> or if you live in stockholm the sameday
[00:18:23] <seanmcg> being stuck out in the west atlantic doesn't help me :)
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[00:19:03] <einand|fscons> ;)
[00:20:31] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: so, why not move?
[00:21:10] * einand|fscons plans to be an nomad and move wherever he can get computerparts cheepest ;)
[00:21:28] <seanmcg> einand|fscons, guinness doesn't travel well :)
[00:21:42] <einand|fscons> guinness?
[00:22:30] <seanmcg> aye, guinness 1
[00:22:38] <seanmcg> s/1/!/
[00:22:56] <einand|fscons> i have no clue
[00:23:08] <seanmcg> I can't believe that!
[00:23:36] <einand|fscons> i did use google and find Guinness World Records
[00:23:43] <einand|fscons> but i do not think thats what you meen
[00:23:47] <seanmcg> close, guinness started that..
[00:24:09] <seanmcg> guinness.com
[00:24:10] <einand|fscons> Beer?
[00:24:32] <seanmcg> yup, a stout really.
[00:25:17] <einand|fscons> stout=
[00:25:20] <einand|fscons> ?
[00:25:40] <seanmcg> black heavy beer
[00:25:49] <wonko2> i'm assuming luupgrade shouldn't be rebooting my machine halfway through doing its thing, right?
[00:26:29] <seanmcg> wonko2, you added the lu packages to the older BE before upgrading ?
[00:26:49] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: no you know why i'm know anyting about that beer, i get error when i enter the wepage
[00:26:54] <einand|fscons> Your location indicates you are not eligible to enter the site at this time.
[00:27:21] <wonko2> seanmcg: meaning what exactly?
[00:27:27] <einand|fscons> thats stupid
[00:27:38] <einand|fscons> locking out a whole contry
[00:27:53] <seanmcg> einand|fscons, maybe it expects you to be in a pub enjoying the beer :)
[00:28:01] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: ;)
[00:28:27] <seanmcg> wonko2, typically the 'right' way is to add the lu packages from the new build before upgrading.  You're upgrading to SXCE99 ?
[00:28:53] <wonko2> yeah, from 97
[00:29:04] <wonko2> ok, i can do that
[00:29:24] <seanmcg> theres a know panic if you don't upgrade the lu packages first i think..
[00:29:29] <seanmcg> known, even
[00:29:48] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: in sweden, only the goverment can leagaly sell alchol. So i did go to there webbpange and see that you cant get any guinness in sweden :(
[00:30:13] <einand|fscons> webpage
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[00:30:33] <ZOP> but...guinness is liquid bread!
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[00:30:47] <wonko2> seanmcg: i can believe that since something is indeed panicing my machine when i run luupgrade. :)
[00:31:21] <seanmcg> einand|fscons, choose a different country on the website then :)
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[00:31:54] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: no need, i'm not intressetd
[00:31:56] <einand|fscons> anumore
[00:31:56] <seanmcg> wonko2, ya, it happens now and again.  bugs creep in.  damn bugs, creeping.
[00:31:58] <einand|fscons> anymore
[00:32:00] <einand|fscons> This is Systembolaget
[00:32:02] <einand|fscons> Systembolaget, the Swedish Alcohol Retail Monopoly, exists for one reason only: To minimize alcohol-related problems by selling alcohol in a responsible way, without profit motive.
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[00:32:16] <ZOP> HAH!
[00:32:19] <ZOP> thats funny
[00:32:25] <einand|fscons> http://www.systembolaget.se/Applikationer/Knappar/InEnglish/
[00:32:34] <einand|fscons> ZOP: thats sweden in a nuttshell
[00:33:06] <seanmcg> in Sweden you'd usually go to people's homes rather than the pub though ?  From what I know from some swedish here.
[00:33:20] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: thats true also
[00:33:29] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: its to expensiv to go to the bup
[00:33:32] <einand|fscons> pub
[00:33:54] <wonko2> seanmcg: should i re-run the lucreate?
[00:34:05] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: i did order a 3 glas of cocacola, and ended pay arunt $20 for it
[00:34:23] <einand|fscons> small glases 25cl
[00:34:29] <seanmcg> wonko2, shouldn't have to.  just the lu packages on the current BE need to be upgraded.
[00:35:07] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: i think you have to pay around 7-8 USD for 0.5l beer
[00:35:15] <seanmcg> heh, einand|fscons here a small glass of cola (or any soda) can be about 4 euro.  whereas in a shop it'd be about 1 euro.
[00:35:57] <seanmcg> einand|fscons, not too off what we'd pay here, about 6-7 dollars for a pint
[00:36:06] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: i pay around 1-2euro for 2l of soda, in the shop, and 2-5euro at the pub for 0.25l
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[00:36:23] <seanmcg> aye, its a great scam :)
[00:36:34] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: if you get a beer at "systembolaget" you pay around 1euro for 0.5l
[00:37:09] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: hos mutch are a pint in liters?
[00:37:19] <einand|fscons> how
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[00:38:10] <ZOP> a lot of pubs and bars if you're a regular (or a DD) they don't charge for soda.
[00:38:14] <einand|fscons> and google did answer me 1 US pint = 0.473176473 liters
[00:38:21] <seanmcg> 1.8 litres to a pint or so I think
[00:38:28] <einand|fscons> ok
[00:38:30] <seanmcg> thats a US pint..
[00:38:34] <einand|fscons> aha
[00:38:41] <seanmcg> what you have, not what i posted
[00:38:44] <einand|fscons> 1 Imperial pint = 0.568261485 liters
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[00:39:11] <ZOP> an imperial pint is slightly bigger
[00:39:15] <seanmcg> yup, that sounds right
[00:39:17] <ZOP> yeah 20 oz
[00:39:19] <ZOP> vs like 16
[00:39:19] <einand|fscons> :)
[00:39:35] <einand|fscons> why cant you use normal system like liters and meters ;)
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[00:40:59] <wonko2> Upgrading Solaris: 3% completed
[00:41:02] <wonko2> Yay, no panic. :)
[00:41:08] <wonko2> thanks seanmcg!
[00:41:14] <seanmcg> theres this other island between ireland and europe.. used to tell us what to do :)
[00:41:25] <seanmcg> np, wonko2
[00:41:40] <maxote> 1 pint = very confused and for market, even as GigaBytes vs GibiBytes.
[00:42:23] <einand|fscons> so, if you go to an US pub, you will get less beer than in a English pub ;)
[00:42:48] <maxote> they steal some decimals
[00:42:55] <einand|fscons> so, from now on, i prefere UK ;)
[00:43:04] <einand|fscons> Long live the queen
[00:43:16] <einand|fscons> or something like that
[00:44:07] <einand|fscons> maxote: not only decimals, its almost a whole deceliter
[00:44:28] <einand|fscons> thats like robery
[00:44:45] <einand|fscons> or, depends, if i would seel beer, i hade gone for the US system ;)
[00:44:49] <einand|fscons> sell
[00:46:28] <chris_unix_dude> interestingly enough, a pint is always 1/8 of a gallon, regardless of US/UK.
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[00:46:48] <einand|fscons> so, gallion is smaller in us aswell
[00:47:20] <ZOP> einand|fscons: depends.  proper US pubs will serve guinness, harp, stella, etc, out of a royal pint glass, not a standard pint glass.
[00:49:20] <einand|fscons> :)
[00:49:33] <einand|fscons> but its not an issue for me, i do not drink beers ;)
[00:49:48] <cypromis> yah, far too much water
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[01:13:52] <plavcik> could I list all disks / partition / slices ?
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[01:14:16] <e^ipi> yes.
[01:14:27] <e^ipi> see format(1M) for details
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[01:22:41] <plavcik> in partion, have s2 (c1d0s2) or s8 (c1d0s8) some special role, like c in OpenBSD?
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[01:23:37] <Aria> Traditionally, s2 is whole-device, for backup.
[01:23:44] <Aria> With ZFS, that's becoming arcane.
[01:24:17] <plavcik> what is arcane?
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[01:26:43] <plavcik> during SXCE, I created ZFS mirror for 16GB, I expected one free slice , which I like to use for zfs raid-z, is then s8 the correct one?
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[01:27:24] <plavcik> during SXCE installation, I created 16GB ZFS mirror for root, I expected one free slice , which I like to use for zfs raid-z, is then s8 the correct one?
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[01:30:47] <plavcik> hmm, i'm getting on zfs create /dev/dsk/c1d0s8 overlaps with /dev/dsk/c1d0s2 OR /dev/dsk/c1d0s2 overlaps with /dev/dsk/c1d0s0
[01:31:08] <jbk> hmm... does b99 fix firefox3 any?
[01:31:22] <boyd> plavcik: are you sure you don't mean zpool create?
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[01:31:50] <plavcik> yes, sorry, zpool create data raidz c1d0s2 c2d0s2 c3d0s2 c4d0s2
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[01:32:04] <RElling> jbk: no, not as far as I can tell :-(
[01:32:08] <plavcik> invalid vdev specification /dev/dsk/c1d0s2 overlaps with /dev/dsk/c1d0s0
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[01:32:42] <jbk> :(
[01:32:50] <jbk> this is pretty bad
[01:33:14] <RElling> PODS
[01:33:44] <plavcik> this is working: zpool create data raidz c1d0p0 c2d0p0 c3d0p0 c4d0p0 c1d0p1 c2d0p1 c3d0p1 c4d0p1
[01:33:46] <jbk> ?
[01:34:06] <RElling> piece of dam spit
[01:35:36] <jbk> ahh
[01:35:43] * jbk just uses POS :)
[01:35:48] <plavcik> but I'm getting bigger capacity 2T, then I shall 4*300MB HDDs
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[01:37:07] <plavcik> then formar is reporting, that I'm using /dev/dsk/c4d0s2 and /dev/dsk/c4d0s8 for ZFS pool data
[01:37:31] <snakesqzns> So I'm creating sparse root zones and they end up about 450 megs.  /var/sadm/pkg is taking up about 350 megs.
[01:37:49] <snakesqzns> can I just delete everything in /var/sadm/pkg?
[01:38:50] * wonko2 reboots, let's see what happens. :)
[01:42:09] <snakesqzns> i don't see what i would need /var/sadm/pkg/* for in a sparse zone :|
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[01:45:33] <_mary_kate_> sure, if you want to completely screw up the packaging system and probably never be able to add packages in the zone
[01:46:31] <wonko2> hmmm, i'm rebooted and still in b97
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[01:49:09] <wonko2> uhm
[01:49:10] <wonko2> SYS0/ROOT/snv_97         1.97G  59.5G  11.0G  /
[01:49:10] <wonko2> SYS0/ROOT/snv_99         13.7G  59.5G  9.32G  /
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[01:52:51] <Canar> oiiii
[01:52:58] <Canar> clicked "Update All" in the Package Manager
[01:53:09] <Canar> waited for too long
[01:53:18] <Canar> came back, still not done, so i cancelled it
[01:53:27] <Canar> now the Package Manager is locked up
[01:53:46] <wonko2> Oh, I can't read
[01:53:50] <wonko2> "don't use reboot"
[01:53:51] <wonko2> oops
[01:53:52] <wonko2> ;)
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[02:08:37] <wonko2> SunOS wintermute 5.11 snv_99 i86pc i386 i86pc
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[02:08:40] <wonko2> that's better
[02:09:47] <e^ipi> pfft, stupid home power outlet can't even handle 1kW
[02:10:09] * jbk needs to download some other browser for b98
[02:10:31] <evocallaghan> jbk:opera maybe
[02:10:47] <jbk> do they make an x86 version?
[02:10:53] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:How do you make tea then ?
[02:11:00] <evocallaghan> jbk:yes
[02:11:13] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: i don't in the living room
[02:11:26] <e^ipi> i don't actually know how much electricity my kettle sucks
[02:11:41] <evocallaghan> about 1kw :p
[02:11:45] <e^ipi> i know that my printer spikes the power usage in the room up to about 1.5kW
[02:11:54] <evocallaghan> what !?
[02:12:08] <e^ipi> laser printer plus a couple machines on one circuit
[02:12:22] <e^ipi> shitty apartment wiring can't handle it
[02:12:28] <evocallaghan> Your collection of VAX's maybe ?
[02:12:34] <not-me-guv> typical kettle is 3kw
[02:12:35] <evocallaghan> or just a Intel box :p
[02:12:48] <e^ipi> no, idle the printer plus all the machines are about 250W
[02:12:52] <evocallaghan> typical kettle == intel box
[02:13:06] <e^ipi> when i print though, my UPS kicks in
[02:13:23] <evocallaghan> *beep*
[02:13:23] <e^ipi> oh, shut the fuck up, intel is just fine power usage wise
[02:13:32] <e^ipi> don't be dense
[02:13:34] <evocallaghan> no way!
[02:13:38] <maxote> e^ipi, unplug the printer from UPS
[02:13:47] <e^ipi> maxote: then i never get to print again
[02:13:59] <e^ipi> because as soon as the fuser warms up it turns the printer off
[02:14:02] <evocallaghan> you print in the dark O_o
[02:14:03] <maxote> yes, plug the printer to home power
[02:14:03] * not-me-guv wants an ARM-based desktop box for sensible power consumption levels
[02:14:58] <e^ipi> maxote: home power that can't handle the load
[02:15:15] <maxote> buy another UPS ready for the printer
[02:15:19] <e^ipi> i have it running through the UPS because it's big enough to handle it
[02:15:26] <evocallaghan> general purpose computing is using far to much power these days
[02:15:33] <e^ipi> the house is not
[02:15:48] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:How about you get your ring main fixed!
[02:15:57] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: i don't own the building
[02:15:59] <evocallaghan> That would be safer !
[02:16:12] <e^ipi> i live in an apartment
[02:16:25] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:OK, but if its a safty issue then you can get it looked into ..
[02:16:29] <e^ipi> ever done that before? landlords are almost never reasonable
[02:16:41] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Yes I have
[02:16:49] <evocallaghan> contact your supplyer
[02:17:01] <e^ipi> "my shit is broke" "is it on fire?" "no..." "i'll get to it sometime before new people move in"
[02:17:08] <evocallaghan> then ring up the land lord and say there is a safty problem and it gets fixed
[02:17:28] <evocallaghan> You got to be clever about it
[02:17:36] <e^ipi> and tell him what exactly ? "my living room ought to be able to handle 2kW"
[02:17:49] <e^ipi> he'll wonder if i've got a drug operation running
[02:18:34] <e^ipi> i'm canadian so even if I did the cops & him would be fine with it, but they're still not gonna fix the wiring
[02:19:04] <evocallaghan> 2kw is nothing
[02:19:15] <evocallaghan> a microwave could trip that
[02:19:31] <evocallaghan> and I told you to get off that coke
[02:20:35] <maxote> buy a laptop's miniprinter and solved the problem
[02:20:45] <plavcik> I like to have ZFS mirror for root and ZFS raid-z for data, is correct, that on all disks, I will make one Solaris partition covering whole disk and two slices on for root and second for data?
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[02:22:31] <e^ipi> maxote: i have a laser printer because i don't feel like paying that much for ink
[02:23:15] <evocallaghan> lasers are cool :d
[02:23:41] <e^ipi> an inkjet wouldn't trip the circuit at all
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[02:23:52] <e^ipi> but i'd be shelling out $60 a month on an ounce of ink
[02:24:00] <e^ipi> rather than $100 every 3 years on toner
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[02:24:53] <evocallaghan> why do you print so much ?
[02:25:11] <e^ipi> student
[02:25:16] <e^ipi> 2 students, actually
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[02:32:05] <evocallaghan> So .. Whats wrong with submitting PDF's ?
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[02:34:38] <e^ipi> right, because I set the submission rules...
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[02:35:43] <Canar> Is there some trick to get the network working in OpenSolaris under VirtualBox? I had it working there once, and now it's not.
[02:36:01] <Canar> ifconfig doesn't even list the device atm
[02:37:15] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Its a rule to submit in paper ??!
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[02:37:34] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: why is that so strange to you?
[02:37:47] <e^ipi> different schools do things different ways
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[02:39:15] <evocallaghan> just is ..
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[02:47:39] <Canar> grmph. prtconf -vp even says it sees an ethernet controller
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[02:53:17] <Cass> Canar: what does dladm show-dev say ?
[02:53:20] <ZOP> many (hell maybe even most) schools require you submit stuff on actual paper for grading.
[02:54:28] <jbk> hmm i wonder if it's really firefox or something else -- opera is pretty klunky too, but there's decent free memory, and cpu usage is low
[02:55:01] <sstallion> evening
[02:55:52] <jbk> hey sstallion
[02:56:04] <sstallion> evening jbk
[02:56:31] <sstallion> Cass: show-dev is deprecated. show-phys should be used on Nevada hosts.
[02:57:21] <sstallion> jbk: notice my email to driver-discuss last night?
[02:57:48] <Cass> sstallion ahh ok, didnt know that, ill remember that ...  show-dev gives the required info for this pupose anyway
[02:58:17] <Canar> Cass:
[02:58:18] <Canar> LINK            STATE  SPEED    DUPLEX
[02:58:18] <Canar> e1000g0         unknown 0Mb     unknown
[02:58:30] <Cass> ok, so try ifconfig e1000g0 plumb
[02:58:42] <Cass> and check ifconfig -a then
[02:59:21] <Canar> ifconfig: cannot open link "e1000g0": No such device or address
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[02:59:52] <Cass> hmm ...
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[03:00:37] <jbk> yeah, but can't remember the subject
[03:00:37] <Canar> aha
[03:00:40] <Canar> i'm onto something
[03:00:56] <Canar> i changed to the pcnet III driver to see if i could make that work
[03:02:15] <Canar> now it's showing up in ifconfig, but no working network yet
[03:02:28] <sstallion> jbk: brussels on statically configured interfaces
[03:02:59] <Cass> Canar: good, im out of ideas, not a Virtualbox user :)
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[03:03:53] <Cass> Canar: ifconfig <interface> <ipaddress> <netmask> up ?
[03:04:21] <Canar> woohoo working
[03:04:31] <Canar> thanks for the guidance Cass
[03:04:51] <Cass> glad to have helped ... just luck really .. lol
[03:05:08] <Canar> yeah, well, i know less than nothing about opensolaris
[03:05:16] <Canar> usually a windows guy
[03:05:23] <Cass> sshhh :-)
[03:05:24] <Canar> though i used a lot of dos back in the day
[03:05:52] <e^ipi> what's that got to do with anything?
[03:06:09] <Cass> you type stuff im presuming
[03:06:18] <sstallion> haha
[03:06:28] <sstallion> I think thats the best simplification of what any of us do
[03:06:32] <sstallion> 'we just type stuff'
[03:06:35] <e^ipi> lol
[03:06:56] <Cass> well thats what my missus thinks i do all day ... nothin but type
[03:07:21] <e^ipi> "i don't know much about UNIX, but I did have a typewriter back in the day"
[03:07:22] <e^ipi> ;)
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[03:07:34] <Canar> hey now
[03:07:39] <Canar> DOS supported pipes
[03:07:44] <bda> It did?
[03:07:48] <Canar> yup
[03:07:52] <e^ipi> "i don't know much about UNIX, but I do have an opposable thumb"
[03:07:59] <Canar> echo file.txt | more
[03:08:01] <Canar> actually worked
[03:08:08] <bda> e^ipi: Very useful for hitting the spacebar.
[03:08:08] <Canar> wait no
[03:08:10] <Canar> it was type
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[03:08:12] <Canar> not echo
[03:08:15] <Canar> been a while :)
[03:08:17] <e^ipi> bda: exactly
[03:08:43] <sstallion> bda: you need an ON workspace ;)
[03:08:45] <Cass> echo .. wow. i used to dive into edit in my dos days
[03:08:52] <Canar> hey at least i'm /trying/ to learn a proper OS :)
[03:09:12] <sstallion> Cass: bah, real men used edlin
[03:09:12] <e^ipi> Canar: i'm mostly just giving you a hard time for that comment because it's funny
[03:09:17] <Cass> and its commendable Canar
[03:09:29] <bda> sstallion: Yes, I do. Ship me some more hours in the day. ;)
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[03:09:37] <Cass> your dos comment was asking to be poked at though
[03:09:39] <sstallion> bda: sleep less :)
[03:09:43] <sstallion> works for me!
[03:09:47] <Canar> anyways, bbl
[03:09:55] <Canar> waiting for 816MB of packages to download
[03:10:26] <sstallion> e^ipi: have you tried to boot failsafe on a sparc recently ?
[03:10:40] <snakesqzns> _mary_kate_, i don't ever want to add packages to a sparse zone, no.
[03:10:49] <snakesqzns> in this case
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[03:11:51] <snakesqzns> though i think i'm confused :p
[03:12:35] <e^ipi> sstallion: i don't have a sparc
[03:12:50] <sstallion> gotcha. For some reason I thought you had a blade1k laying around
[03:12:56] <Tpenta> sstallion: no, real men don't use editors, real men use cat
[03:12:57] <e^ipi> i did but it's cursed
[03:13:04] <sstallion> oh?
[03:13:10] <e^ipi> parts keep dying
[03:13:27] <sstallion> bummer
[03:13:49] <e^ipi> first CPU1, then the motherboard, then i replaced the motherboard and bought a new CPU and socket 1 still doesn't work, etc
[03:13:57] <e^ipi> i'm pretty unlucky with respect to used computer kit
[03:14:46] <_mary_kate_> snakesqzns: you might find it messes up adding packages to the global too
[03:14:59] <sstallion> e^ipi: well... you can always just use a single socket
[03:15:08] <sstallion> 1k's used IIi's IIRC... thats not *that* bad
[03:15:11] <e^ipi> yeah that's what I've been doing
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[03:15:16] <e^ipi> IIICu actually
[03:15:28] <sstallion> that would have been a 1500 then wouldn't it ?
[03:15:34] <snakesqzns> _mary_kate_, if that's true then a global zone isn't secured from a sparse zone
[03:15:40] <sstallion> (I have dual IIIcu's in this box)
[03:15:56] <snakesqzns> Scenerio: give some guy a sparse zone, he logins in and deletes /var, oops?
[03:16:17] <sstallion> snakesqzns: of course it is
[03:16:25] <bda> ...what?
[03:16:28] <sstallion> only directories explicily inherited are 'protected'
[03:16:36] <e^ipi> sstallion: no, just regular 1000
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[03:17:23] <snakesqzns> right, mary_kate was saying that if /var/sadm/pkg was deleted from a sparse root zone it would impact the global zone
[03:17:24] <sstallion> e^ipi: interesting
[03:17:54] <sstallion> well yeah, it would cause issues if the global zone tried to install a package without -G passed to pkgadd
[03:17:58] <bda> It probably would, in terms of installing packages or patches in the global.
[03:18:02] <e^ipi> i thought the 1500 was the crap version of the 1000
[03:18:10] <bda> But you can work around it pretty trivially.
[03:18:14] <sstallion> e^ipi: I think you are thinking of the 100
[03:18:27] <bda> Beating the owner of the zone with a stick is also acceptable.
[03:18:39] <e^ipi> sstallion: nope, 1500... it eats IIIi's
[03:18:44] <e^ipi> so says anysystem anyway
[03:18:44] <sstallion> ahh
[03:19:00] <sstallion> well, IIIi's used way less power
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[03:19:08] <sstallion> but I think the IIIcu's still have better raw perf.
[03:19:09] <snakesqzns> so then you could say the A global zone is not entirely protected or isolated from hosted zones
[03:19:24] <sstallion> this T4 sucks up almost 3A at idle... heh.
[03:19:40] <bda> In certain specific cases, but it's not going to impact the *operation* of the global zone (or other zones on the system).
[03:19:49] <bda> It's just going to make package management and patching more annoying.
[03:19:53] <Tpenta> I think you will find that the package stuff in a sparse zone is a little more complex than that
[03:20:07] <bda> Yeah. :\
[03:20:11] <sstallion> bda: perfect fix: zoneadm -z badzone uninstall; zonecfg -z badzone delete -F
[03:20:26] <bda> Heh.
[03:21:14] <sstallion> Tpenta: its not bad as long as you aren't silly and try to install a package that tries to cram data in an inherited file system
[03:21:53] <bda> Whole root zones are going to create the same problem though (if you blow away /var/sadm/...). They still get packages and patches installed, no?
[03:22:13] <sstallion> bda: any zone would do that
[03:22:16] <bda> Sure.
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[03:22:23] <bda> So not sure why the focus on on sparse zones there.
[03:22:25] <sstallion> but its easy enough to fix administratively... (see above)
[03:22:36] <bda> s/on on/is on/
[03:22:57] <sstallion> or just install lx zones for people you don't trust... pretty hard to screw with the global zone then ;)
[03:23:02] <bda> I've taken to just installing all needed packages in the root. Third party stuff in /opt or wherever gets looped in the local zones.
[03:23:17] <bda> e.g., SSPRO, pkgsrc, etc.
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[03:23:37] <sstallion> I spent a year or two using SUNWrcnet installs with whole root zones
[03:23:38] <Tpenta> Of course there is also the fact that in a sparse zone, /var is not inherited, it is local, so blow away /var to your heart's content, you only break your local zone.
[03:23:51] <sstallion> you have no idea how... evil it was to keep patched and up to date
[03:24:11] <sstallion> Tpenta: and affect the global zone when it comes time to install a package without -G
[03:24:23] <sstallion> (or patchadd for that matter)
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[03:24:56] <sstallion> things really are much better with a full install in the global w/sparse root zones
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[03:25:07] <sstallion> you end up using far less disk space in the long run
[03:26:04] <Tpenta> ummm, the onl  "damage" it would do to the global zone is that it would complain that it can't apply to the local (and exit with an error status), would still be applied to global and others
[03:26:17] <snakesqzns> I guess I figured I'd only be install packages in my global zone, so why would i need 350 megs of package data in this sparse zone if there's no need, since the it will just inherit all the package updates anyway
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[03:26:41] <snakesqzns> i suppose i'm thinking about this in the wrong way
[03:27:06] <sstallion> Tpenta: are you sure? I've had similar issues before and it aborted the entire process until the issue was fixed.
[03:27:09] <Tpenta> the global zone is still fine and uncorrputed, you just can't do anything then with the local that you destroyed
[03:27:45] * bda twiddles fingers, wishing for update-on-attach.
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[03:28:13] <Tpenta> I am relatively sure that is the case, but would have to book a lab box and try it to be certain
[03:28:35] <bda> I'm pretty sure the process fails, especially when it comes to patching.
[03:28:38] <snakesqzns> if i'm inheriting every directory from the global zone except for /var and /etc, what does updating a package in that zone get me?
[03:28:39] <jbk> ok.. i gotta hope b99 is better..
[03:28:49] <sstallion> jbk: with some things
[03:29:02] <sstallion> I spent this weekend updating the sparc to b99
[03:29:04] <Tpenta> brings the package databse up to date
[03:29:11] <sstallion> even converted the SVM mirror over to zfs
[03:29:14] <jbk> well i thought ff3 had a problem, but it seems everything is hellishly slow
[03:29:21] <jbk> on a 2ghz 1gb ram machine
[03:29:23] <sstallion> ff3 is wretched right now
[03:29:29] <jbk> well i tried opera
[03:29:33] <sstallion> I'm tempted to just nuke it and install the ff2 packages
[03:29:34] <jbk> no difference really
[03:29:44] <snakesqzns> can i inherit /var/sadm/pkg from the global zone through loopback?
[03:29:55] <sstallion> snakesqzns: no, and never try that.
[03:29:58] <snakesqzns> haha
[03:30:27] <jbk> it's like crossing the streams
[03:30:36] <sstallion> jbk: pidgin dies on me after 5 minutes
[03:30:39] <sstallion> only in b99
[03:30:43] <Tpenta> you dont want to do that
[03:30:52] <bda> Pidgin has sucked for ages, and continues to do so.
[03:31:00] <sstallion> as soon as 100 is out, I'm going to update
[03:31:19] <Tpenta> because then if you either install something in the sparse and not the global OR install something in the global that is not meant to be in the sparse, then your pkg database is wrong
[03:31:21] <snakesqzns> well if the sparse zone was only 85 megs this database would be fine
[03:31:31] <sstallion> actually, the print manager refuses to work with jetdirect atm too
[03:31:35] <snakesqzns> i guess  i should figure out why mine is almost 400 mb
[03:32:12] <sstallion> not to mention it would have to be mounted with rw set which is *bad*
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[03:32:34] <sstallion> pkgadd/patchadd etc. would end up falling all over itself
[03:33:09] <sstallion> snakesqzns: if you want a completely secure machine, unplug it from the wall
[03:33:37] <jbk> i did make a ss12 tarball i need to stick on my indiana machine
[03:33:52] <jbk> so i can finally finish up my suid message enhancement
[03:33:53] <sstallion> jbk: oh btw, the last snv release that uses ss11 is b99
[03:33:56] <snakesqzns> sstallion, the security tangent was just because of mary's comment that a zone could screw up a global zone
[03:34:10] <sstallion> I made a clone of the onnv_99 tree... I won't be upgrading to ss12 until re is finished
[03:34:13] <snakesqzns> sstallion, my real issue is figuring out why /var/sadm/pkg is 400 mb.
[03:34:18] <snakesqzns> thanks for the info all
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[03:36:12] <evocallaghan> You guys that are having problems with firefox, are you using intel gpus ?
[03:36:24] <jbk> i'm on an amd
[03:36:37] <evocallaghan> ok
[03:36:37] <jbk> 2ghz amd
[03:36:40] <jbk> 1gb ram
[03:36:46] <jbk> ati gfx :(
[03:36:53] <evocallaghan> ff is slow as hell for me too
[03:37:06] <evocallaghan> I got opera installed
[03:37:15] <jbk> but none of the previous builds had this issue
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[03:37:24] <evocallaghan> I am not really a opera fan but its ok :/
[03:37:27] <jbk> even opera is horribly slow
[03:37:32] <evocallaghan> really
[03:37:43] <evocallaghan> whats glxgears look like ?
[03:37:49] <sstallion> evocallaghan: nvidia and framebuffer
[03:38:11] <sstallion> i've not had any issues with render speeds, just stupid UI behavior
[03:38:42] <evocallaghan> I am getting strangness as well
[03:38:57] <evocallaghan> I can send you Mesa 7.0.4 and see if that helps
[03:39:37] <evocallaghan> Its helpt a little here, atleast its workable with now
[03:39:42] <jbk> where is it installed?
[03:39:58] <evocallaghan> uname -v snv_99
[03:40:11] <evocallaghan> jbk:hold on, i'll rafb the install script
[03:40:19] <jbk> found it
[03:40:31] <jbk> i'm getting 500-900fps
[03:40:42] <jbk> now it's very choppy
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[03:41:36] <evocallaghan> http://rafb.net/p/1Y39YE11.html
[03:41:46] <evocallaghan> jbk:^
[03:43:57] <jbk> i wonder if i can just disable the 3d stuff
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[04:00:08] <sstallion> Ahh its a beautiful thing ;)
[04:00:09] <sstallion> Oct  8 20:57:56 devel mac: [ID 435574 kern.info] NOTICE: re0 link up, 10 Mbps, full duplex
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[04:05:04] <Plazma> sstallion at least it's not RED STATE...
[04:05:22] <sstallion> red state ?
[04:06:00] <Plazma> yea
[04:06:10] <Plazma> it means utter death and doom to the nonbelivers
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[04:06:31] <_mary_kate_> ...
[04:07:00] <Plazma> acutally i've only had it once on my sb100.. CPU issue.. but it was cheap enough to replace for a lab box
[04:07:12] <pumpkin_> anyone have experience booting opensolaris on a mac pro?
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[04:13:09] <evocallaghan> anyone a ksh93 user here. Care to share your ~/.kshrc please?
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[04:19:31] <nachox> i use it, but i'm not in solaris atm
[04:19:57] <nachox> i think the ksh93 integration project has a good default though
[04:20:44] <Plazma> ksh88 > *
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[04:21:21] <nachox> not really
[04:21:34] <nachox> ksh93 is damn cool as an interactive shell
[04:21:38] <Plazma> yea
[04:21:42] <Plazma> i was just going for show :P
[04:21:48] <Plazma> plus im a slave to tab completion
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[04:22:22] <nachox> ksh88 has esc-esc i believe
[04:22:43] <evocallaghan> http://rafb.net/p/KNjize64.html mine looks like this at the mometn
[04:22:47] <evocallaghan> s/moment
[04:23:14] <evocallaghan> any ideas on things I can do
[04:23:19] <Plazma> nachox,  you know i swore ive seen it have something of the sort in different installs.. i thought i was just looisng it
[04:23:21] <Plazma> loosing*
[04:23:26] <evocallaghan> like turn off the system beep would be a good start :p
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[04:25:24] <nachox> Plazma, you need set -o emacs first though
[04:25:30] <Plazma> heh
[04:25:42] <Plazma> i was messing with emacs today and putty and secureCRT kept eating my backspace and meta keys
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[04:26:07] <nachox> putty sucks compared to secureCRT
[04:26:15] <nachox> too bad it's not  free
[04:26:33] <Plazma> i don't like secureCRT much for SSH.. and i don't know why it always seems sluggish in comparison to PuTTY
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[04:26:45] <Plazma> but its great for serial connections.. but so is terra term or kermit :)
[04:26:52] <evocallaghan> good point, I should set it in vi mode
[04:26:56] <evocallaghan> forgot :p
[04:27:25] <Plazma> yea.. i need to really learn to use vi to its full potential especially when i script
[04:27:39] <Plazma> i can yank/paste and move and find stuff with ease.. just the syntax sugar and so forth
[04:27:44] <Plazma> and the modes and the "fast as lightning" inserts
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[04:29:07] <Plazma> but i like the emacs modes and how you can have a split screen. but the C-c stuff is funky especially if you miskey it and you get a wierd buffer
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[05:09:20] <e^ipi> hmm... that's not good
[05:09:29] <e^ipi> presumably a live upgrade shouldn't cause a kernel panic
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[05:14:02] <bda> e^ipi: Like, lu* or rebooting into the new be?
[05:15:10] <e^ipi> luupgrade
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[05:16:58] <bda> e^ipi: eek.
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[05:22:41] <evocallaghan> kernel panic == bad thing ..
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[05:35:24] <e^ipi> so, in case anyone's curious, you can't go from pre-99 to post 99 without first installing <path to cdrom>/Solaris_11/Tools/Installers/liveupgrade20
[05:35:53] <_mary_kate_> well, installing the new OS's LU packages has always been something you're meant to do.. i guess most people don't bother though
[05:36:01] <e^ipi> yeah, i never do
[05:36:12] <e^ipi> clearly
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[05:36:51] <jbk> tsk tsk
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[05:53:29] <evocallaghan> why would that make your kernel panic though e^ipi?'
[05:53:46] <e^ipi> missing driver
[05:54:27] <evocallaghan> Maybe it should not panic though
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[05:54:42] <evocallaghan> Give a error message ..
[05:55:01] <_mary_kate_> is it acceptable to put site-local smf things in /var/svc and /lib/svc?
[05:55:27] <ludc> hi!
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[05:55:42] <ludc> One dount,
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[05:56:41] <ludc> _mary_kate_:  all tips and books find for Solaris, I can use to OpenSolaris?
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[05:57:52] <Plazma> donut?
[05:57:54] <sstallion> e^ipi: ;)
[05:58:01] <sstallion> e^ipi: never ever ever do that :)
[05:59:12] <sstallion> jbk: man, re is almost done... I should have suspend/resume completed tonite. after that, all that is left is rx and tx
[05:59:22] <jbk> cool, then on to cge :)
[05:59:26] <sstallion> yup!
[05:59:39] <_mary_kate_> it's almost done but you can't rx or tx? ;)
[05:59:50] <sstallion> _mary_kate_: not a driver developer I take it :)
[06:00:17] <sstallion> rx/tx is only a small part of the overall in a network driver
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[06:02:22] <evocallaghan> sstallion:Was it your putbacks that made suspend/resume possible on laptops in solaris ?
[06:02:40] <sstallion> evocallaghan: not at all
[06:03:01] <sstallion> I think that may have been gdamore... he was doing quite a bit with suspend/resume a little bit ago I think
[06:03:09] <evocallaghan> oh, was just trying to put a name to a face and all that jazz
[06:03:23] <sstallion> I work on old crappy hardware no one uses anymore :)
[06:03:25] <evocallaghan> sounds right
[06:03:32] <evocallaghan> lol
[06:03:35] <evocallaghan> What ?
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[06:04:51] <sstallion> s/uses/should probably not use/
[06:05:03] <evocallaghan> sstallion:http://rafb.net/p/xiSV0A43.html
[06:05:57] <sstallion> I think I have you beat :)
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[06:06:11] <evocallaghan> hows that ?
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[06:07:05] <sstallion> http://rafb.net/p/UjqvJn86.html
[06:07:06] <sstallion> :P
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[06:07:41] <evocallaghan> Bah! I wish I had my SB2k here instead of this junk !
[06:08:07] <sstallion> I'm not really complaining. Its a good workhorse.
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[06:11:43] <evocallaghan> damm right it is !
[06:12:01] <evocallaghan> I am, however complaining about mine :p
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[06:16:40] <evocallaghan> sstallion:Do you know how to turn off the system beep in ksh93 ?
[06:16:59] <sstallion> 'fraid not. I'm a tcsh user
[06:17:10] <evocallaghan> ok thanks
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[06:18:52] <evocallaghan> No matter, I just found they have a IRC chan. Lets hope someone is alive there :p
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[06:30:32] <e^ipi> so, LU didn't like the way I had my zones laid out
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[06:31:40] <jbk> i need to find out what the restriction is for zones on zfs
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[06:33:29] <evocallaghan> wow scons is really easy to setup on solaris. Going to stick this in my blog :D
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[06:52:00] <e^ipi> hmm, i can't create zones sitting on zfs anymore
[06:52:51] <bda> That's not fun. Why?
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[06:53:23] <e^ipi> i dunno, it just doesn't want to create new datasets for the zones
[06:54:34] <bda> "it"? Does something automanage datasets now?
[06:54:40] * bda still back in GA land for zones.
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[06:55:14] <e^ipi> it = zoneadm
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[06:55:47] <bda> huh, can you nopaste?
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[06:57:03] <e^ipi> as in,
[06:57:07] <e^ipi> zfs create mypool/zones && zfs set mountpoint=/zones mypool/zones && zonecfg -z template 'create; set autoboot=false; set zonepath=/zones/template; add net; set address=192.168.1.254; set physical=nge0; end; verify; commit; exit' && zoneadm install template
[06:57:25] <e^ipi> should create a new dataset, does not ( it just starts copying files to a new directory )
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[06:58:42] <bda> You expect it to create mypool/zones/template for /zones/template?
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[06:59:03] <e^ipi> yes
[06:59:05] <e^ipi> as it has in the past
[06:59:06] <_mary_kate_> when did it start doing that?
[06:59:10] <bda> Also, I think you mean zoneadm -z template install?
[06:59:16] <e^ipi> yes
[06:59:28] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: around build 28 IIRC
[06:59:30] <bda> Never seen that behavior.
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[07:00:10] <e^ipi> i know i'm not crazy because even benr documents the behavior
[07:00:11] <e^ipi> http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=751
[07:00:33] <e^ipi> allows you to do fun things like clone zones correctly with zfs clones
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[07:01:31] <bda> Maybe it only works if the zpool mount is the root of the zonepath?
[07:02:27] <e^ipi> nope, this is the same way i've always done it
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[07:02:49] <bda> I've had zones on ZFS for the last two years in some places, and never seen it do that.
[07:02:55] <bda> Weird.
[07:03:00] <bda> ~two years anyway.
[07:03:17] <e^ipi> i've always run my zones like that
[07:03:37] <bda> Nope, I'm a liar. Feb 2007. :)
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[07:06:57] <bda> e^ipi: Woah, you're right.
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[07:08:29] <bda> http://nopaste.snit.ch/14256
[07:08:31] <bda> Neat!
[07:08:50] <bda> This is what I get for using the same build script for ages, I guess.
[07:09:40] <e^ipi> yeah, except now it doesn't work on my machine
[07:09:59] <bda> What build? New bug?
[07:10:04] <bda> The above paste is b93.
[07:10:14] <e^ipi> b100
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[07:17:47] <Canar> what package do i install to get sun's c compiler?
[07:17:56] <e^ipi> ss-dev
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[07:18:12] <Canar> hm, what command invokes it then?
[07:18:20] <e^ipi> pkg install ss-dev
[07:18:27] <Canar> no, i mean the c compiler
[07:18:29] <e^ipi> oh, you mean the compiler itself?
[07:18:31] <e^ipi> just 'cc'
[07:18:46] <Canar> i've screwed something else up then... argh
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[07:18:48] <e^ipi> you might need to add /opt/SUNWspro/bin to your $PATH
[07:19:48] <Canar> user@host:~# pkg install ss-dev
[07:19:48] <Canar> Nothing to install in this image (is this package already installed?)
[07:19:48] <Canar> user@host:~# cc
[07:19:49] <Canar> bash: cc: command not found
[07:19:51] <Canar> >_>
[07:20:08] <e^ipi> try /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc
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[07:20:26] <Canar> /opt/SUNWspro/ doesn't exist
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[07:20:59] <Canar> ah
[07:21:07] <Canar> /opt/SunStudioExpress/ here
[07:22:25] <e^ipi> ahh, there you go
[07:22:54] <e^ipi> add the bin/ subdir to $PATH and you should be good to go
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[07:27:27] <e^ipi> well, fuck me... not only did LU not upgrade and break my zones, it's helpfully deleted the data that was on them too
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[07:34:09] <e^ipi> bda: how do you create clones then if you weren't using zoneadm to create the dataset?
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[07:37:18] <bda> e^ipi: I don't, evidently. :)
[07:37:23] <bda> I have a set of scripts that manage zones for me.
[07:37:57] <bda> I have a ticket to revisit them. I'll make a note to look at clones when I do so.
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[07:45:16] <bda> 01:28 <@e^ipi> well, fuck me... not only did LU not upgrade and break my zones,  it's helpfully deleted the data that was on them too
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[07:45:20] <bda> That's crazy.
[07:45:31] <bda> chonan: I know you're not around, but goddamn that's annoying.
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[07:47:52] <oxygene> hmm.. somehow that's not the first time I heard that
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[07:49:49] <e^ipi> that's more than enough of that
[07:50:15] <bda> whee
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[07:51:51] <e^ipi> what the ...
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[08:27:13] <bda> Just spent the last 20 minutes trying to troubleshoot an issue where a Python module works in the global zone, but not one of the locals which should be mounting the same tree.
[08:27:49] <bda> Finally I get desprate and touch something in the lib dir. It works. I count to ten. Touch something in the loopmount root. No go.
[08:27:52] <bda> /opt/pkgsrc/2008q1/python24/site-packages   -       /usr/pkg/lib/python2.4/site-packages  lofs    -       yes -
[08:27:56] * bda closes his eyes.
[08:28:19] <bda> Remember what I said earlier about installing everything in the global? Guess I'm full of shit.
[08:29:33] <_mary_kate_> i wish sar -r had a more useful reporting format.  like, KBytes
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[08:29:46] * bda channels Tempt, tells you to install Hyperic.
[08:29:54] <_mary_kate_> i already do
[08:30:03] <_mary_kate_> but sometimes i want something from the command line, not a web browser ;)
[08:30:11] <bda> :)
[08:31:06] * _mary_kate_ wonders when someone will integrate nicstat
[08:31:21] <e^ipi> web based interfaces are clearly the wave of the future
[08:31:57] <bda> I have the new guy at work installing and setting up Hyperic this week. Next week he'll be moving all our monitors over.
[08:32:16] <_mary_kate_> don't you need a union guy to move monitors?
[08:32:24] <bda> I'm pretty sure there's some facility for writing clients for it.
[08:32:31] <bda> _mary_kate_: Wah wah wahhhh. :)
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[08:35:42] <eryc> I wish Hyperic would get around to adding support for Zones..
[08:36:40] <bda> Does it still try to discover zoned services?
[08:36:42] <bda> That's annoying.
[08:37:29] <eryc> http://jira.hyperic.com/browse/HHQ-48
[08:38:27] <bda> Yuck.
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[08:40:31] <eryc> Well it does look like they filled the Plugin Engineer position so maybe that will be added soonish..
[08:42:44] <eryc> OpenNMS recently added support for receiving Hyperic events so you can use Hyperic for servers and OpenNMS for everything else.
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[08:46:56] <eryc> But yea I think it shows all the zoned services as running in the global and I don't think you can really distinguish between instances if you have duplicated services.
[08:47:55] <eryc> I have no idea what the latest version does- I was hoping that NF would get worked/closed.
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[09:43:46] <estibi> hi, what is going on with opensolaris.org?
[09:44:47] <ormandj> what about it?
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[09:45:08] <bda> Seems boomed.
[09:46:13] <Samy> Sorry guys
[09:46:18] <Samy> It's back up now
[09:47:08] <ormandj> must be that new colorful picture
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[09:59:31] <CIA-25> Milan Cermak <Milan.Cermak at Sun dot COM>: 6750319 Static storage specifiers missing in logging/generation of logging-header ids
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[10:15:15] <fraggeln> what is the root-pw of the livecd 2008.05?
[10:15:31] <seanmcg> opensolaris
[10:15:39] <fraggeln> seanmcg: thanks
[10:15:59] <seanmcg> though its a role, so you may not be able to 'login'
[10:16:02] <seanmcg> as root
[10:16:11] <fraggeln> su - works for me ;)
[10:17:36] <ormandj> just pfexec
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[10:26:26] <chris_unix_dude> jack:jack
[10:26:35] <chris_unix_dude> or root:opensolaris
[10:27:50] <tnelson> What's that command to list font names in that funky format .Xdefaults understands?
[10:27:53] <tnelson> like -sas-monospace-10x-regular-monday-tuesday-happy-days-plz
[10:28:53] <CosmicDJ> xlsfonts
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[10:34:50] <trochej> Cofeee
[10:34:56] <fraggeln> coke :)
[10:35:04] <trochej> Wimp.
[10:35:05] <trochej> :)
[10:35:38] <seanmcg> morning growler coffee
[10:36:10] <trochej> :)
[10:37:16] <seanmcg> trochej, www.corkcoffee.com/morninggrowler.htm
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[10:38:34] <fraggeln> trochej: I'm to young to drink cofee ;)
[10:38:50] <e^ipi> you're never too young to drink coffee
[10:39:14] <e^ipi> when I was 4 i used to drink from the various cold half empty mugs my mom left around the house
[10:39:36] <seanmcg> .. which goes a long way to explain things :)
[10:39:38] <fraggeln> and now you are hooked :D
[10:39:59] <e^ipi> i actually don't drink that much coffee, only about 2 or 3 cups a day
[10:40:08] <e^ipi> i'm just very, /very/ picky about what I do drink
[10:40:47] <fraggeln> thats the beauti of coke, its allways the same, you allways know what you are getting :)
[10:41:00] <e^ipi> diabetes ?
[10:41:05] <fraggeln> that to :)
[10:41:13] <seanmcg> less teeth ?
[10:41:13] <e^ipi> *too
[10:41:14] <fraggeln> but i was talkng about taste :)
[10:41:25] <seanmcg> stomach ulcers
[10:41:53] <fraggeln> I can live with that :)
[10:42:20] <seanmcg> too young to have coffee and yet already well on the way to ulcers :)
[10:42:43] <seanmcg> cola is good for cleaning coins too
[10:45:20] <trochej> fraggeln: Coffee will do you less harm that coke
[10:45:47] <trochej> fraggeln: It does NOT have an acid and sugar in amount that would make you puke if not for said acid.
[10:46:29] <e^ipi> seanmcg: and car battery terminals
[10:46:49] <e^ipi> strips corrosion right off 'em
[10:48:37] <seanmcg> good uses for cola :)
[10:49:14] <e^ipi> meanwhile coffee is generally regarded as good for you in various ways
[10:51:04] <CosmicDJ> didn't the tobacco industry say the same 50 years ago? :p
[10:54:22] <trochej> http://flickr.com/photos/26810211@N06/2921978491/
[10:58:09] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: how good are you at hacking python?
[10:59:47] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: not that good. i don't use it that often and i'm not really that familiar with the python specific stuff (dicts and so on). I think i will dive deeper into python when 3.0 is out
[11:00:38] <codestr0m> it should be out soon.. I was poking around with aurshell this morning.. and python can do some *quite* interesting interactive shell bits..
[11:01:01] <xRaich[o]2x> yep, it's a pretty cool language
[11:01:05] <codestr0m> I've started learning py and I must say I'm more impressed with it than I thought I would be
[11:01:20] <xRaich[o]2x> very simple, yet powerful
[11:01:26] <codestr0m> it could be a cheap way to prototype features
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[11:01:58] <codestr0m> yeah. I just have to repackage some ncurses and readline bits so py could have those properly supported oob and things started working *a lot* better
[11:06:54] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: have you fixed your testcase?
[11:07:25] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: yes
[11:07:53] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: what was wrong?
[11:09:22] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: as it turns out I think they expected this failure.. It did initially point out I needed to recompile readline, but there's another test after this one and if it succeeds then they default to that as having readline support
[11:10:14] <codestr0m> maybe the code would have worked with editline I'm not sure..
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[11:42:40] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: btw, there's a PSARC for readline -> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/188/
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[11:46:32] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: thanks.. I resolved it and w/o looking at that case in depth I just assume it comes down to something about licensing
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[11:50:44] <trochej> Coffee
[11:51:10] <xRaich[o]2x> yes please
[11:51:26] * trochej goes to put two coffees on the fire
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[12:06:18] <CosmicDJ> no but I know how I'll look after walking 20+ min in the rain :(
[12:06:23] <CosmicDJ> wc
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[12:09:05] <CosmicDJ> btw, any idea why the "Download OpenSolaris" link on Sun's CoolThreads Ad takes me to 2008.05? :)
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[12:18:15] <fraggeln> sxce 99 doesnt like AMD and ati right? :D
[12:18:47] <evocallaghan> where should I be pointing to for aclocal ?
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[12:26:08] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: /usr/bin ?!
[12:28:20] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:Ah, they are aclocal-1.10 and aclocal-1.9, I forgot
[12:28:22] <evocallaghan> Thanks
[12:28:50] <evocallaghan> which one should I be using to build foss _stuff_ :p
[12:29:08] <evocallaghan> is that a 10 ?
[12:30:20] <CosmicDJ> aclocal* --version
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[12:31:41] <evocallaghan> head,desk
[12:31:46] <CosmicDJ> btw most foss should require you to use aclocal directly..
[12:31:56] <evocallaghan> meaning ?
[12:31:59] <CosmicDJ> should+n't
[12:32:52] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:Well when I tried to build FOX gate for example, it failed saying it could not find that
[12:33:07] <evocallaghan> Something I am missing when setting up the build env ?
[12:33:43] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:Here is my PATH /usr/xpg6/bin:/usr/xpg4/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/usr/sfw/bin:/usr/gnu/bin:/opt/scons/bin/
[12:34:26] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: I'd create a symlink aclocal-1.10 -> aclocal
[12:35:09] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:OK, but someone said that breaks stuff but i am unsure what is the best way, or normal way ?
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[12:35:31] <fraggeln> sxce 99 is broken :D
[12:35:43] <trochej> How?
[12:35:47] <evocallaghan> broken in what way ?
[12:36:05] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: you can remove the link after you've compiled your _stuff_
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[12:36:10] <evocallaghan> xen you mean on intel platform..
[12:36:35] <fraggeln> evocallaghan: it wont install on my HP box :D
[12:36:38] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:Yea I guess, but would like to know how to set things up properly if I can
[12:36:46] <fraggeln> i have tried on 2 diffrent, same problem with X ::(
[12:36:52] <trochej> fraggeln: Then maybe your box is broken? :)
[12:37:01] <evocallaghan> fraggeln:fonts problem ?
[12:37:12] <evocallaghan> Check the mailing list for how to fix it
[12:37:20] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: well most foss is dev'd on linux; so to set things up prop. you'd have to install linux :p
[12:37:22] <fraggeln> trochej: both of them? :D
[12:37:29] <evocallaghan> else, wait for snv_100 at the end of this week with some hope
[12:37:37] <fraggeln> evocallaghan: i did run the mkfont on the fonst-dir
[12:37:41] <fraggeln> but that didnt work :)
[12:37:54] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:< stderr
[12:38:02] <fraggeln> svn_66 workes on the box :D
[12:38:18] <calmeida> check this for b99 X fronts workaround: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=77077&tstart=15
[12:38:22] <evocallaghan> fraggeln:no no, check the mailing list, some packages dont get installed
[12:38:40] <fraggeln> evocallaghan: ahh, url? :)
[12:38:41] <evocallaghan> ^Thats the one
[12:38:46] <fraggeln> ah
[12:38:51] <trochej> fraggeln: Do it MS way - your boxes are incompatible with nevada 99 :)
[12:39:04] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: /usr/bin/aclocal is aclocal-1.10 on solaris10; no idea why you don't have that
[12:39:19] <evocallaghan> sxce snv_99 here
[12:39:33] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:I'll ln -s now, thanks
[12:39:38] <CosmicDJ> indeed broken ;)
[12:41:15] <fraggeln> evocallaghan: boot in failsafe and chroot? :)
[12:41:43] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/293/mail I don't really understand though
[12:41:43] <evocallaghan> I ran into the same problem on osol http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3506
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[13:17:50] <solarees> Hello
[13:19:03] <solarees> I'm downloading opensolaris 2008.05
[13:19:34] <solarees> I already have ubuntu and freebsd installed; I want to replace the freebsd partition with the opensolaris one
[13:19:37] <chrisg> here's a cookie
[13:19:48] <chrisg> ()
[13:20:12] <fraggeln> mmm, cookies!
[13:20:19] <solarees> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/IPS/prepmulti.html
[13:20:20] <fraggeln> chrisg: may I have some milk please? :)
[13:20:26] <chrisg> no
[13:20:29] <chrisg> you must have coffee
[13:20:33] <solarees> I'm reading about Linux there, it says to save the grub menu file, but why? I don't understand that
[13:20:33] <fraggeln> :(
[13:21:15] <trochej> solarees: Because you will need either to chainload one of bnootloaders from the other or add an entry for Linux to Solaris Grub
[13:21:30] <solarees> oh
[13:21:38] <trochej> Either way, you will need the Linux menu.lst contents, if only to know the proper grub device you want to chainload from
[13:21:40] <solarees> When I install opensolaris, it'll replace the current GRUB I have?
[13:21:48] <trochej> solarees: Yes
[13:22:14] <solarees> and I'll have to just add the linux partition to the, well, new grub menu? Alright
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[13:22:51] <solarees> One more question, I'm not really a networking guy, but with ubuntu and freebsd, my internet worked without me configuring anything
[13:22:56] <solarees> Will it be the same case with opensolaris?
[13:23:02] <trochej> solarees: You can add the ubuntu entry. You can point kernel as /vmlinuz and initrd as /initrd.img, as they are symlinks in ubuntu for the newest onesz
[13:23:26] <trochej> And that way you don't have to update your menu.lst every time that Ubuntu releases new kernel
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[13:23:46] <solarees> I don't update my ubuntu
[13:24:03] <trochej> solarees: If you get your network settings from dhcp, OS will get them also that way
[13:24:16] <solarees> That sounds good.
[13:24:20] <trochej> It is
[13:24:52] <solarees> Is there anything that I'll specifically have to do when I partition my HD, other than following the instructions
[13:25:10] <solarees> way I see it, I just delete the freebsd partition and tell osolaris to use that space?
[13:25:11] <trochej> solarees: Change Linux Swap partition type to something else for the installation.
[13:25:17] <trochej> Afterwards change it back to 82
[13:26:43] <solarees> I have two linux swap partitions according to gparted, but I don't see a "type" mentioned anywhere
[13:27:17] <trochej> I don't know gparted, I rather use fdisk
[13:27:51] <solarees> alright, wait I'm going to see how to use that
[13:28:16] <fraggeln> solarees: you dont need ubuntu :) just go with solaris.
[13:28:37] <trochej> fraggeln: Sometimes he may need
[13:29:05] <solarees> fraggeln: I just keep ubuntu in case something doesn't go well with opensolaris
[13:29:11] <solarees> if I see it works the way I want I'll replace it all with it
[13:29:51] <trochej> solarees: If you know freebsd, you'll feel quite comfortably probably
[13:30:30] <solarees> Good, but I don't. :-( I was attracted to opensolaris because of IEEE 1003.1 conformance
[13:30:55] <solarees> Apart from using the shell and knowing a bit about the fs hierarchy... not much I know
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[13:32:28] <solarees> trochej: Ah, I see what you mean. fdisk mentions it as 'id'. Yes it's 82 for both swaps. Should I change it to anything that's other than 82?
[13:32:34] <solarees> Before I do the installation, and then change it back?
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[13:33:08] <solarees> I can probably do that from the live CD
[13:33:45] <trochej> solarees: SO installator needs to have one Solaris2 or Solaris type partition. Unfortunately Linux choose to pick for its swap type 82, which is also a Solaris partition
[13:34:08] <trochej> It may happen , that installer will pick a Linux swap and try to install in that place, even if you choose otherwise from GUI
[13:34:21] <solarees> :O
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[13:34:32] <trochej> So the safest course so far is to change the type of your Linux swaps to ie. 83 for the installation period
[13:34:44] <solarees> Yes, understood. thanks
[13:34:51] <trochej> solarees: It's a bug and for a time being we need to live with that
[13:34:58] <solarees> Note - If you are installing the OpenSolaris OS on a multiboot system that also contains the Linux OS, the Solaris partition must precede the Linux swap partition.
[13:35:05] <solarees> ^ What about that? I don't understand that sentence
[13:35:24] <solarees> trochej: well, not an annoying one. It's not like I'm installing opensolaris every day...
[13:35:27] <trochej> solarees: Solaris partition must be created BEFORE the linux swap was created
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[13:36:06] <trochej> Anyway, just do as I said anbd you'll be safe. :)
[13:36:22] <solarees> okay. thanks
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[13:48:28] <solarees> Can I choose not to install a window manager? From the wikipedia pic, it seems to use KDE
[13:48:38] <trochej> GNOME
[13:48:46] <trochej> And you can't
[13:48:53] <solarees> :-(
[13:49:54] <solarees> Oh well, the downloads finished, I'm going to burn it and try it out
[13:49:58] <solarees> Thanks for the help trochej and others
[13:50:06] <codestr0m> solarees: unless you really know what you're doing and there is some KDE bits being tested so in the future there is some high probability KDE will be a choice
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[13:50:24] <solarees> codestr0m: Wha do you mean unless I really know what I'm doing?
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[13:50:34] <solarees> I just wanted no WM so I can use ratpoison
[13:51:14] <codestr0m> solarees: by this I don't mean to offend at all, but installing KDE is possible, but I'd say it's a pita/non-trivial currently as it's not packaged anywhere (that I know of)
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[13:51:36] <solarees> codestr0m: ? I don't care for KDE :-P My question wasn't about it
[13:51:40] <codestr0m> solarees: you can stop the wm service which will drop you down to run level 3
[13:52:09] <codestr0m> solarees: take a look at svcs
[13:52:10] <trochej> solarees: Right now you can't choose packages to be installed, however you can remove them after the instgallation
[13:52:13] <trochej> [d]
[13:52:19] <solarees> Ah, cool
[13:52:28] <solarees> that's what I'll do
[13:52:45] <solarees> Alright, I'm all set. bye people
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[13:53:11] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: IIRC blastwave has kde pkgs, and solaris.kde.org should also have some
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[13:53:46] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: I won't comment on blastwave, but if the solaris.kde.org bits is the stuff from dude then good
[13:55:33] <codestr0m> I will say this.. using opensolaris has forced me to learn more about shells and vim and as a consequence I'm much more productive in some areas..
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[13:57:31] <c00p> vim is teh win
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[13:59:39] <smtms> codestr0m, why did you have to learn more about vim?
[14:00:02] <codestr0m> smtms: umm.. because the default vim settings in opensolaris are rather unacceptable
[14:00:37] <codestr0m> smtms: it's along the same lines as the shell.. everyone has such a personal preference that it's safer to set nothing than argue about which is the right way
[14:00:51] <CosmicDJ> are you sure it's vim you're using? and not the good old plain vi?
[14:01:04] <smtms> CosmicDJ, you can't mistake the two
[14:01:18] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: positive .. os2008* has put a symlink
[14:01:40] <codestr0m> File: `/usr/bin/vi' -> `vim'
[14:02:34] <CosmicDJ> I see
[14:02:57] <PerterB> eeuw, they made vim the default now?
[14:03:12] <codestr0m> come on now.. we don't have to argue about this :P
[14:03:21] <PerterB> we never *have* to? ;)
[14:03:31] <codestr0m> (royal we)
[14:04:08] <CosmicDJ> now it's vi, next year you'll wonder why ps -ef doesn't work anymore ;)
[14:04:36] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: ps -ef works everywhere afaik.. so no need to break it *only* for solaris :P
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[14:05:02] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: ps -ef on NetBSD -> ps: unknown option -- f
[14:07:40] <smtms> ps -ef on my system doesn't do what it does on Solaris
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[14:09:45] <PerterB> odd, I thought NetBSD liked POSIX compliance...(which mandates -e and -f)
[14:11:06] <TomJ> PerterB: why on earht would you want vi over vim?
[14:11:28] <PerterB> because undo/redo works the way my muscle memory expects
[14:11:45] <TomJ> So it will in vim unless you turn off compatibility mode, I believe
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[14:12:10] <PerterB> nah, vim in default mode I usually end up corrupting the file I'm working on
[14:12:16] <CosmicDJ> PerterB: seems like ps in netbsd is using the 4.4BSD "standard" :)
[14:12:35] <PerterB> but that was probably on Linux so they might have switched off compatability, because why would anyone want that
[14:12:49] <TomJ> yes a Linux default vimrc almost certainly sets nocompatible
[14:12:58] <TomJ> which, to be fair, is vastly superior
[14:13:15] <TomJ> but *Solaris vim doesn't, I dont htink it has a default vimrc at all in fact
[14:13:20] <PerterB> IFF that's what you're expecting AND know how to make use of it ;)
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[14:13:50] <PerterB> whereis if I type "vi", I expected to get............... can you guess? vi
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[14:13:54] <codestr0m> TomJ: yeah. I had to explicitly set nocompatible
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[14:14:20] <TomJ> hmm actually SXCE does have normal vi
[14:14:25] <codestr0m> PerterB: yes. well. if you type sh you'll also be surprised to find it's ksh93..  ;)
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[14:14:50] <TomJ> so actually yeah, SXCE has vi and vim and typing vi gives you vi
[14:15:04] <PerterB> codestr0m: it's worse than that, if I type sh at work, I get dash :)
[14:15:07] <TomJ> But I suppose OpenSolaris has changed this
[14:15:54] <PerterB> and when they made that change, it broke all sorts of scripts that expect sh==bash and had undocumented bash-isms
[14:16:10] <TomJ> bash run as #!/bin/sh shouldn't have any bashisms
[14:16:16] <TomJ> it goes into POSIX mode
[14:16:18] * PerterB agrees 100%
[14:16:32] <PerterB> and yet it happened
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[14:17:23] <PerterB> one of these days I should read the manpage for dash, I'd never even heard of it until recently
[14:18:05] <_mary_kate_> PerterB: i don't think bash's posix mode disables extensions
[14:18:13] <_mary_kate_> it just changes some settings which default to non-standard
[14:18:29] <_mary_kate_> so that's no guarantee the script is posix compliant
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[14:19:30] <PerterB> on the plus side, it did provoke a good discussion about standards :)
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[14:23:45] <TomJ> PerterB: do you remember what stuff was wokring in bash-as-sh that wouldnt work in dash?
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[14:26:29] <PerterB> not offhand, I didn't have to deal with it directly I just followed the email trail... But I can probably dig out the scripts they used to find most of it
[14:26:37] <evocallaghan1> What was the boot time switch to turn off acpi ?
[14:26:51] <PerterB> acpi-user-options=0x8
[14:26:56] <evocallaghan1> acpi-options=0x8 or soemthi
[14:26:58] <evocallaghan1> ph
[14:26:59] <evocallaghan1> thanks
[14:28:05] <PerterB> you'll need -B on a kernel command line
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[14:29:11] <oxygene> hmm.. is there any virtualized environment (vmware, vbox, xen, qemu, ...) for x86 in which the emulated NICs have gldv3 drivers?
[14:29:37] <evocallaghan1> PerterB:thanks ok I know thanks
[14:30:01] <evocallaghan1> PerterB:Do you know if I put a USB pen in, will it dump the kernel panic to it ?
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[14:31:04] <PerterB> dunno... depends if its drivers can work after a panic (ie polling mode, no interrupts)
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[14:33:25] <evocallaghan1> Well I am getting the panic from the install dvd of snv_99 and its pain in the ass
[14:33:31] <TomJ> btw re bash/sh -  _mary_kate_ is right,  calling a bash script as #!/bin/sh ensures that all POSIX features work according to spec, but does not disable non-POSIX extensions from working
[14:33:44] <evocallaghan1> Just about to file a report, I am sure its ACPI bug
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[14:34:22] <PerterB> take a picture :)
[14:35:00] <evocallaghan1> Thats the pain in the ass part, only got a cam phone !
[14:35:08] <evocallaghan1> They are slow to grab it
[14:35:52] <evocallaghan1> What was the reported panics to do with in 99 again ?
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[14:42:25] <evocallaghan1> PerterB:Going to make a short home movie so it would seem :p
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[14:51:00] <TomJ> Anyone using the DTrace Toolkit on b99?  I am getting errors on all the Net files, e.g. tcptop_snv reports:  'dtrace: failed to compile script /dev/fd/11: line 168: conn_tcp is not a member of struct conn_s'
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[14:56:54] <ahe> someone an idea why i can connect to my apache on localhost but not when i use my external ip?
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[14:57:33] <smtms> ahe, did you try running snoop and/or other sniffer on the two hosts involved?
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[14:57:58] <ahe> i run the browser and apache on the same host
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[14:58:22] <CosmicDJ> firewall, tcp wrapper, apache only binds to 127.0.0.1 etc etc
[14:58:24] <smtms> yes, run away
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[14:58:52] <smtms> ahe, is Apache listening on your external IP?
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[15:02:11] <ahe> firefox tries forever to load the page so this shouldn't be the problem
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[15:03:17] <smtms> ahe, have you configured any firewall?
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[15:03:47] <CosmicDJ> ahe: you can use netstat to find out of apache is really listening on your ext. ip
[15:03:54] <CosmicDJ> s/of/if//
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[15:04:55] <ahe> thx for the help but forget it
[15:05:18] <ahe> the dhcp server changed my ip while i was trying *doh*
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[15:22:16] <digifor> I am having trouble connecting Nokia with pppd : http://tinyurl.com/4smalg
[15:23:29] <digifor> I was able to connect with wvdial in Linux.  I am unsure how to convert my wvdial.conf to ppp
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[15:28:07] <CosmicDJ> digifor: hm you're getting a remote ip + dns ip's, looks like you are connected...
[15:31:46] <digifor> I get no ping to www.yahoo.com
[15:32:46] <CosmicDJ> digifor: check man pppd for defaultroute
[15:33:04] <digifor> ok. Thanks will do
[15:37:12] <evocallaghan1> In bugster, how do you attach a picture ?
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[15:38:58] <CosmicDJ> upload it to imageshack.us and paste the url in your bugreport...
[15:39:17] <evocallaghan1> thanks
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[15:49:14] <CosmicDJ> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=78357&tstart=0 US-II :)
[15:49:30] <evocallaghan1> CosmicDJ:Are they ment to email you back a link as I get taken to a blank page :p
[15:50:38] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan1: no idea, I have not filled a bug yet (at least not on solaris/opensolaris)
[15:50:58] <evocallaghan1> :(
[15:51:34] <evocallaghan1> CosmicDJ:Do you know of another service that may work better ?
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[16:13:58] <edgy> Hi, syslog.conf has a line: mail.debug   ifdef(`LOGHOST', /var/log/syslog, @loghost) which I guess means if LOGHOST is defined in /etc/hosts then log to the local /var/log/syslog, but what if the loghost alias is set for the remote system?
[16:15:40] <edgy> or may be LOGHOST would only evaluate to true if loghost alias is set to the localhost ip?
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[16:18:20] <jbk> it means 'if loghost is defined, send to that, otherwise, send to /var/log/syslog'
[16:19:10] <edgy> jbk: yes but what 'defined' here means?
[16:20:06] <edgy> jbk: sorry but that's not true. if defined it would log to var/log/syslog, otherwise send to @loghost
[16:20:20] <edgy> jbk: this is how m4 works
[16:21:46] <edgy> ok I tried it practically now and I think I understand it well now. thanks anyway
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[16:24:09] <PerterB> jbk: other way around, no?
[16:24:26] <PerterB> oh sorry, read to the end now :)
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[16:25:28] <jbk> yeah, which seems counter intuitive
[16:25:34] <jbk> which is why i thought it was the other way around
[16:25:36] <jbk> however
[16:25:38] <jbk> reading a bit
[16:25:43] <jbk>  m4(1) to obtain the correct information
[16:25:43] <jbk>      for certain log files, defining LOGHOST if  the  address  of
[16:25:43] <jbk>      "loghost"  is  the  same as one of the addresses of the host
[16:25:43] <jbk>      that is running syslogd.
[16:25:55] <jbk> so now it makes sense
[16:26:05] <jbk> (though why in the world would anyone still use m4?)
[16:26:39] <PerterB> yeah, it's pretty obnoxious (m4 in general and this usage of it in particular)
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[16:30:58] <codestr0m> mdb core Loading modules: [ libc.so.1 libuutil.so.1 ld.so.1 ]
[16:31:48] * codestr0m adds another TODO item to the list of things to debug
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[17:02:54] <_mary_kate_> according to cdrw(1), it can write "RIFF (.wav) files with data in Red Book CDDA form".  are my 16-bit linear PCM wavs in red book format?
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[17:13:41] <smtms> _mary_kate_, it takes wavs and writes them in Red Book CDDA
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[17:14:01] <_mary_kate_> smtms: are you sure?
[17:14:40] <ondre> any way to force pkgrm to answer yes?
[17:14:55] <ondre> non-interactive mode just quits when it asks Do you want to remove this package? [y,n,?,q]
[17:14:57] <_mary_kate_> ondre: use an admin(4) file
[17:15:02] <smtms> not overly sure
[17:15:24] <ondre> _mary_kate_: that's what I was trying to avoid... thanks tho
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[17:15:45] <seanmcg> _mary_kate_, I've made audio cds before fine with cdrw
[17:16:12] <_mary_kate_> well i know it can create audio CDs.  but the manual page suggests i need audio in a particular format, but it doesn't describe that format.
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[17:16:22] <_mary_kate_> so i don't know what will happen if i feed it my audio files
[17:16:45] <_mary_kate_> (i only have one CD, so i'd rather be sure it's not going to write garbage to the CD)
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[17:18:39] <codestr0m> _mary_kate_: can you output to disk. and then point a cd player program at it to test?
[17:19:28] <codestr0m> (not sure how that would work) and also try wikipedia for what Red Book CDDA format to see what says.. (sorry I can't be more help)
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[17:19:55] <kohju> fu.... today I was exhausted...
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[17:26:19] <_setuid_H> Afternoon all
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[17:57:37] <jlc> does pkg image-update, update all packages, or update to the current dev version of 2008.11?
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[18:04:46] <jbk> it depends on which repository you're pointed at, but i beleive by itself, it updates all the packages installed on the system to the current versions on the repo
[18:05:27] <jbk> since pkg.opensolaris.org is the 'devleopment' repo, it tracks the SXCE releases (witih a bit of lag)
[18:06:03] <jbk> iirc, there will be a separate repo at some point (pkg.opensolaris.com ??) that will just have the 2008.11->2009.XX->etc. releases + bugfixes
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[18:10:22] <jlc> thx
[18:11:19] <jlc> wondering, I've installed sxce 99 and have sound, opensolaris 200805 no sound
[18:11:40] <jlc> opensound works but not as well as 99
[18:13:10] <jbk> it could be an issue of a closed source or non-redistributable driver
[18:13:23] <jbk> there are bits in sxce that an end-user cannot redistribute
[18:13:36] <jbk> opensolaris (aka indiana) is completely redistributable
[18:13:42] <jlc> true
[18:13:48] <jbk> (one of it's goals), so it's missing some stuff
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[18:25:58] <Canar> there goes 1.5GB of bandwidth
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[18:26:17] <Canar> pkg image-update failed and will not boot
[18:27:09] <CosmicDJ> Canar: did you rtfm before image-updating?
[18:29:00] <Canar> which fm should i have r'd?
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[18:30:48] <CosmicDJ> I'd start with http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=75099&tstart=0
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[18:35:16] <Canar> meh, i'm too used to package managers that i can trust
[18:41:07] <jlc> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/#6696145
[18:41:15] <jlc> after the update in gui it says go read
[18:41:20] <jlc> that might help
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[18:41:27] <jlc> but if you did cli guess you dont see that
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[18:42:15] <Canar> which of course i did... :/
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[18:59:32] <CIA-25> Thomas Haynes <Thomas.Haynes at Sun dot COM>: 6751438 mirror mounted mountpoints panic when umounted
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[19:08:36] <oxygene> Canar: IPS is a from-scratch implementation of a package manager that is beta at best. I suppose, the goal is that you can trust it eventually ;)
[19:10:06] <Samy> Canar, http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/#Update_Inst
[19:11:56] <Canar> Yeah... I need to get into the habit of consuming more OpenSolaris information before I do stuff.
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[19:15:42] <e^ipi> that was a pretty nasty bug, yeah
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[19:18:57] <Samy> Very much so.
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[19:23:07] <codestr0m> anyone in here have a ctags for O/N they can share? (otherwise I'll try to generate one)
[19:23:36] <codestr0m> if not the entire O/N then kernel/libc or other libs is also interesting
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[19:29:50] <e^ipi> codestr0m: you're aware of the existence of src.opensolaris.org ?
[19:31:09] <codestr0m> e^ipi: are you aware of what a ctags database is right? so unless I'm mistaken you're saying to just generate my own.. (yes. I realize I could do that already. thanks)
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[19:32:26] <e^ipi> don't be an ass, i was letting you know of a resource if all you wanted was to browse ON
[19:32:44] <`Matir> I'm trying to use the pre-built opensolaris vdi included in the opensolaris student back, and it drops to maintenance mode when trying to start VBoxService... anyone know what could be causing this?
[19:33:19] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: uts provides a cscope target
[19:33:34] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: cd $SRC/uts && dmake cscope.out
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[19:34:02] <codestr0m> sstallion_work: thanks a lot..
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[19:34:23] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: play nice with others.
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[19:47:11] <ludc> how to optimize the user pof memory by the system? Its using 880.0 mb and 300.0 of swap....is rigth?
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[19:48:00] <jamesd> ludc, is it really using it, or is some file just mmapped?
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[19:51:59] <ludc> jamesd its is the value show in the monitor system
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[20:01:24] <trochej> http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=lF4DzYHgEUU&fmt=18
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[20:03:25] <jamesd> ludc, the fact that it says its using it, means nothing.  if you mmap a 100MB file will show up as a 100MB process even though it only reads or changes 4k chunk which is the actual usage.
[20:05:05] <tsoome> howcome ppl have such an obsession with swap usage?
[20:06:50] <trochej> tsoome: Linux
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[20:13:53] <CosmicDJ> tsoome: windows *cought*
[20:14:07] <tsoome> :D
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[21:42:59] <rpage> opensolaris b99 is the latest release?
[21:43:49] <rpage> will opensolaris work fine on a Netra 1125t
[21:43:57] <sstallion_work> rpage: no.
[21:44:10] <sstallion_work> you need to use SXCE if you want to install on sparc hardware
[21:45:44] <rpage> huh
[21:46:13] <rpage> why i need to run scxe
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[21:46:40] <sstallion_work> because indiana is for x86 only ?
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[21:50:48] <rpage> why is SCXE B99 is not out on CD but DVD has it?
[21:50:59] <rpage> what is indianna
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[21:53:57] <oxygene> rpage: indiana is the codename of that binary opensolaris distribution confusingly called "opensolaris"
[21:56:38] <sickness> maybe they should have leaved it indiana, was less confusing :P
[22:00:37] <oxygene> yes, but it would be easier for newbies to ignore it
[22:01:43] <CosmicDJ> rpage: no cd release of b99 because of -> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6752824
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[22:02:50] <CosmicDJ> solaris is bloated, as I said ;)
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[22:05:48] <rpage> so i can only install opensolaris B98
[22:05:57] <rpage> on my netra 1125T?
[22:06:12] <CosmicDJ> is that a sparc machine?
[22:07:14] <rpage> yes
[22:07:38] <CosmicDJ> opensolaris aka indiana is x86/64 only at the moment
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[22:08:54] <oxygene> rpage: you can install solaris express then
[22:09:00] * e^ipi wonders how many more times that or similar will be repeated
[22:09:05] <CosmicDJ> rpage: or solaris 10, solaris 9...
[22:09:25] <rpage> i am confused
[22:09:34] <rpage> SCXE is opensolaris right?
[22:09:41] <rpage> i wen to the download page
[22:09:43] <oxygene> e^ipi: unfortunately I fear that sun's solution will be to promote indiana to primary opensolaris distro (ie. no sxce) as soon as they got that sparc issue solved
[22:09:44] <CosmicDJ> e^ipi: they're working on a sparc indiana, see planet.opensolaris.org
[22:09:55] <oxygene> e^ipi: "to prevent confusion" (that we created in the first place)
[22:10:04] <rpage> it gives me an option to download for sparc or x86
[22:10:33] <CosmicDJ> rpage: indiana? aka opensolaris? url?!
[22:10:51] <e^ipi> oxygene: more likely that IPS will putback to nevada, and then there's no real difference anymore
[22:11:30] <oxygene> e^ipi: :(
[22:12:01] * Canar sighs.
[22:12:04] <Canar> RTFMed
[22:12:15] <Canar> tried pkg image-update
[22:12:25] <holcomb> i haven't seen the arc for putting /usr/gnu first yet...
[22:12:26] <Canar> and infinite reboot loop
[22:12:48] <Canar> oh well i'll grab the iso
[22:13:31] <e^ipi> holcomb: it may turn out that indiana no longer has that as a default when that happens either
[22:14:34] <holcomb> does that mean they'll just jam gnu into /usr/bin, or the smart thing of getting rid of them?
[22:14:37] <oxygene> gnu as default was merely to create a comfortable working environment for those linux people they pushed into the indiana project ;)
[22:14:38] <e^ipi> there are more options than "no gnu" and "all gnu all the time" that satisfy everyone's concerns ( inc. 'familiarity' ) to a greater or lesser degree
[22:15:20] * Canar stashes the cd e^ipi slides to him
[22:15:50] <rpage> CosmicDJ, https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=Sol-Express_b98-CD-x86-SP-G-B@CDS-CDS_SMI
[22:16:00] <e^ipi> holy tinyurl batman.
[22:16:11] <CosmicDJ> rpage: this is *not* indiana
[22:17:59] <rpage> i went here
[22:18:00] <rpage> http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/
[22:18:12] <alanc> oxygene: it's not just SPARC keeping SXCE alive - it's also alive as long as you can't build the OpenSolaris code base on Indiana - at least ON depends on encumbered bits not yet in Indiana to build
[22:18:12] <jbk> notice the lack of corn and lack of manure stench?
[22:18:13] <rpage> i click on CD download for SCXE
[22:18:20] <rpage> it took me to that page i sent you
[22:18:37] <alanc> that's the download for SXCE, SXCE is not OpenSolaris 2008.05/Indiana
[22:19:03] <rpage> where do i get indaina
[22:19:46] <rpage> this is really confusing, and i am getting stress with these names
[22:19:57] <alanc> go back to http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ and follow the links for OpenSoalris 2008.05, not the links for SXCE
[22:20:02] <alanc> or just go to opensolaris.com
[22:20:14] <rpage> ok
[22:20:24] <CosmicDJ> rpage: but remember, there is no sparc version for 2008.05/indiana/opensolaris
[22:20:31] <CosmicDJ> yet
[22:20:40] <oxygene> alanc: glad to hear
[22:20:42] <alanc> (or the links for 2008.11 if you want the latest in-development builds of the next indiana release)
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[22:20:53] <rpage> ah ok, so SCXE what is that one?
[22:22:12] <alanc> SXCE is Solaris Express Community Edition - the same code base (Nevada) as Indiana, but with the old installer & packaging system, different defaults, and all the closed bits like CDE that can't be included in Indiana
[22:22:41] <rpage> ok
[22:24:30] <CosmicDJ> that's why it has become a littly fatty that doesn't fit on cds anymore ;)
[22:24:34] <rpage> why no opensolaris for sparc hardware?
[22:24:52] * hile_ bites tongue
[22:25:28] <oxygene> rpage: indiana wants to run off zfs. booting from zfs is a rather new feature on sparc
[22:25:40] <oxygene> rpage: solaris express runs on sparc just fine, and is basically the same code base
[22:25:49] <e^ipi> oxygene: SXCE can install on zfs now
[22:26:15] <jbk> but that was after 2008.05 came out
[22:26:28] <oxygene> e^ipi: on sparc it's still rather new - too new for indiana
[22:28:21] <alanc> rpage: because they chose to do one platform first, instead of waiting to release until both were done, and chose x86 since many many many more people have x86 boxes than sparc boxes, and various bits like zfs boot weren't ready for sparc yet for the first indiana release - sparc support is planned for early 2009
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[22:28:54] <the_unmaker> solaris! open!
[22:29:00] <the_unmaker> ok
[22:29:04] <the_unmaker> with sun studio dev
[22:29:12] <the_unmaker> can i compile apps like aolserver?
[22:29:22] <oxygene> if aolserver is written in a portable way, yes
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[22:29:33] <e^ipi> what is with the obsession with aolserver the last 3 months?
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[22:29:42] <oxygene> the_unmaker: however, if aolserver is linux specific crap, then no
[22:29:47] <e^ipi> 'faster than apache' is a pretty easy metric to hit
[22:29:53] <oxygene> indeed :)
[22:30:02] <e^ipi> pretty much everything other than apache is faster than apache
[22:30:44] <rpage> so SCXE doesnt have zfs boot right?
[22:30:55] <oxygene> rpage: it has, if you know how (use the text mode installer)
[22:30:59] <e^ipi> rpage: yes it does, you just need to use the text installer
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[22:31:56] <alanc> rpage: SXCE has zfs boot as an option, added recently
[22:34:11] <rpage> oh ok
[22:34:23] <rpage> what is the life cycle with opensolaris
[22:34:39] <rpage> its opensolaris port to SCXE port to SOLARIS
[22:34:40] <rpage> ?
[22:35:11] <e^ipi> SXCE is typically released earlier than the IPS packages
[22:35:24] <alanc> OpenSolaris & SXCE are built from the same code base and released via two different package systems
[22:35:47] <alanc> changes go first into that common code base ("Nevada") before being backported to Solaris 10 or older releases
[22:36:27] <rpage> wow, seem like everything is all twisted, LMAO
[22:36:55] <rpage> what is this package system
[22:37:00] <alanc> everything is in the middle of transistion - the end state will be simpler, but it takes time to get there
[22:37:02] <the_unmaker> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3152 aolserver seems to be ok for anything with a c compiler and tcl
[22:37:17] <e^ipi> rpage: analogy. SXCE is fedora, OpenSolaris is debian. Solaris10 is RHEL
[22:37:27] <e^ipi> make sense now?
[22:37:31] <rpage> yes
[22:37:37] <e^ipi> good.
[22:37:52] <rpage> dont mean to be bother some, but i am just trying to get familiarize on the layout
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[22:39:41] <the_unmaker> is the 200805 opensolaris or sxce
[22:39:46] <the_unmaker> cd
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[22:39:53] <the_unmaker> ?
[22:39:57] <e^ipi> the_unmaker: also check out some of the other webservers out there... SJS WS7 (http://www.sun.com/software/products/web_srvr/index.xml) is fast, cherokee is also good
[22:40:23] <e^ipi> i don't really trust anything with 'aol' in the name
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[22:40:48] <e^ipi> the_unmaker: 2008.05 is indiana/opensolaris
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[22:43:59] <the_unmaker> lol
[22:44:06] <the_unmaker> aolserver is multithreaded since 1995
[22:44:12] <the_unmaker> godo for multicore1
[22:44:15] <the_unmaker> good
[22:44:34] <e^ipi> and posix compliant since 1908
[22:45:16] <e^ipi> "we've been doing it for a while" isn't really much of an argument
[22:46:34] <the_unmaker> http://philip.greenspun.com/wtr/aolserver/introduction-1.html well the architecture is apparently killer
[22:46:47] <the_unmaker> esp for dynamic content
[22:47:04] <the_unmaker> which I have seen php have a lot of touble being efficient at
[22:47:13] <the_unmaker> esp on apache prefork
[22:47:15] <the_unmaker> :(
[22:47:23] <the_unmaker> [not threadsafe]
[22:47:30] <e^ipi> an article, from 10 years ago ...
[22:47:36] <the_unmaker> aye
[22:47:42] <e^ipi> since then, hundreds of servers taht are probably faster have popped up
[22:47:53] <the_unmaker> how when threaded is fastest way?
[22:48:21] <e^ipi> why are you assuming that nobody else threads?
[22:48:23] <the_unmaker> mind you dynamic content is whatm im after
[22:48:39] <the_unmaker> Im sure event based servers do well with static
[22:48:49] <the_unmaker> yaws does seem interesting
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[22:51:25] <CosmicDJ> the_unmaker: well unless you have some numbers (i.e. repeatable/reproduceable tests) you can stop with your "in aolserver we trust"
[22:53:12] <CosmicDJ> like in sun's blueprint "An Open Source Web Solution - Lighttpd Web Server and Chip Multithreading Technology"
[22:53:28] <e^ipi> i'm sure back in the late 90's ( a decade ago ) it was great, probably the best
[22:53:31] <e^ipi> but time has passed
[22:54:11] <CosmicDJ> where the magic doesn't come from the shiny threaded server, but rather from opcode caching etc.
[22:54:31] <CosmicDJ> (for php pages)
[22:55:30] <e^ipi> besides, PHP is likely to be your bottleneck anyways. if you're having speed issues with it you might want to think about using a faster language
[22:55:37] <e^ipi> if possible
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[22:56:03] <e^ipi> you can slowly start to offload things in some cases
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[22:56:15] <the_unmaker> www.smlserver.com looks interesting
[22:56:28] <the_unmaker> lighttpd needs 1 server per cpu I read
[22:56:51] <the_unmaker> same w nginx I think due to event engine
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[22:57:24] <the_unmaker> the cacheing is vvery importatn with varnish and memcached helping a lot i hear
[22:57:41] <the_unmaker> haven't been given task fo wrapping all that up together yet at work
[22:58:02] <the_unmaker> but be ncie since aolserver uses threads to not worry about having muliple logs+servers
[22:58:13] <the_unmaker> I wodner how javserver7 performs
[22:58:17] <the_unmaker> hmm
[22:58:20] <e^ipi> quite well
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[22:58:34] <the_unmaker> Im almost bold enuf to suggest it over tomcat here
[22:58:43] <the_unmaker> is it kinda ez to use?
[22:58:46] <e^ipi> use glassfish instead of tomcat
[22:58:47] <the_unmaker> I know nothing of java
[22:58:56] <the_unmaker> isnt glassfish like megahuge
[22:59:03] <e^ipi> not really
[22:59:09] <the_unmaker> I dotn know beans or jindi
[22:59:13] <the_unmaker> hm
[22:59:23] <the_unmaker> glassfish eh
[22:59:24] <the_unmaker> hmm
[22:59:27] <the_unmaker> it performs well?
[22:59:35] <e^ipi> yes
[22:59:37] <the_unmaker> why java server7 and glassfish
[22:59:49] <the_unmaker> instead of them concentraing on one
[22:59:50] <e^ipi> one is a web server, the other is a java appserver
[22:59:53] <e^ipi> two different things
[23:00:00] <the_unmaker> hmf
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[23:01:33] <e^ipi> tomcat's also a java app server
[23:02:53] <the_unmaker> ok
[23:03:02] <the_unmaker> but tomcat can eb configured to be webserver too
[23:03:09] <the_unmaker> be-
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[23:03:12] <the_unmaker> beOS!!
[23:03:14] <the_unmaker> lol
[23:03:23] <the_unmaker> ok
[23:03:33] <e^ipi> the_unmaker: two different things... tomcat serves up webpages via java
[23:03:36] <e^ipi> like glassfish
[23:03:39] <e^ipi> or jboss
[23:03:44] <the_unmaker> so most open source software should comple wiht he sun studi dev?
[23:03:45] <e^ipi> or oracle's thing
[23:03:58] <the_unmaker> I dotn wana be stuck
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[23:04:01] <e^ipi> should, yeah
[23:04:07] <e^ipi> unless they make heavy use of gcc-isms
[23:04:18] <the_unmaker> pkg_add -r ss-dev was it?
[23:04:34] <the_unmaker> crap maybe ill give opensolaris a shto
[23:04:36] <the_unmaker> shot
[23:04:42] <the_unmaker> maybe archlinxu isn't last word
[23:04:46] <the_unmaker> archlinux
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[23:08:17] <the_unmaker> heh
[23:08:31] <the_unmaker> e^ipi: do you use opensolaris desktop?
[23:08:36] <the_unmaker> or are ye a mac zombie?
[23:08:46] <e^ipi> both
[23:08:51] <the_unmaker> doh
[23:08:54] <the_unmaker> paralles?
[23:08:56] <e^ipi> my laptop's a mac, my desktop is solaris
[23:09:00] <the_unmaker> ah
[23:09:04] <the_unmaker> ok
[23:09:10] <the_unmaker> hmmm
[23:09:18] <the_unmaker> gosh i tried opensol then went back to archlinux
[23:09:22] <the_unmaker> im all over the palce
[23:09:26] <the_unmaker> but i am curious
[23:09:33] <the_unmaker> I dont know shit about solaris network stuff
[23:09:36] <the_unmaker> etc
[23:09:57] <the_unmaker> inits are system V eh
[23:09:59] <the_unmaker> hmm
[23:10:08] <the_unmaker> see archlinux has bsd style rc.d inits
[23:10:14] <the_unmaker> monolithic file
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[23:12:26] <rpage> can anyone recommand a release i should go with fo rmy netra 1125T
[23:13:03] <the_unmaker> opensolaris!
[23:13:06] <the_unmaker> latest!!
[23:13:08] <the_unmaker> :)
[23:13:32] <the_unmaker> woa
[23:13:36] <the_unmaker> dragonfly bsd
[23:13:39] <the_unmaker> holy shit
[23:13:41] <the_unmaker> lokit dat
[23:13:48] <the_unmaker> hmmm
[23:14:03] <the_unmaker> hows the multi cpu on opensolaris vs say dragonfly bsd?
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[23:14:05] <the_unmaker> hmmmm?
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[23:14:18] <e^ipi> dfly is incredibly slow.
[23:14:24] <e^ipi> solaris scales to 1024 CPU's
[23:14:57] <e^ipi> dfly is as far as anyone can tell, shooting for a single system image cluster UNIX, and they're in the very early stage of development
[23:15:01] <oxygene> dfly still works on removing the locks it inherited from freebsd
[23:15:16] <oxygene> and they make good progress on that - but they're not finished yet
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[23:15:44] <e^ipi> oxygene: yeah it'll be pretty cool when they make a bit more progress
[23:16:04] <e^ipi> tiny development team though
[23:16:29] <oxygene> e^ipi: tiny but quite dedicated - and distracted by stuff like hammer ;)
[23:16:51] <oxygene> and amd64 port
[23:16:58] <oxygene> and, well, removing the giant lock ;)
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[23:21:13] <Doc> running on 1024 CPUs is easy
[23:21:23] <Doc> running faster on 1024 CPUs than on 1023 is the hard bit...
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[23:23:40] <oxygene> that's the difference between "running on" and "scaling to" ;)
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[23:24:41] <the_unmaker> ok so when linus spouts off that linux's code is better
[23:24:46] <the_unmaker> whats he going on about
[23:25:00] <the_unmaker> opensolaris also will scale to 1024 cpu?
[23:25:07] <the_unmaker> nifty
[23:25:08] <e^ipi> the_unmaker: yes, same source base
[23:25:15] <e^ipi> linus, is mostly just an idiot
[23:25:16] <the_unmaker> wow
[23:25:19] <the_unmaker> LOL
[23:25:23] <the_unmaker> oh shit thats funny
[23:25:26] <oxygene> the_unmaker: he probably refers to that he never looked at the solaris code ;)
[23:25:30] <the_unmaker> so is what he did nto as hard as some make it?
[23:25:40] <the_unmaker> someone made a forthOS
[23:25:44] <the_unmaker> I was curious
[23:25:50] <the_unmaker> but he ababndoned it :(
[23:25:50] <e^ipi> the_unmaker: writing a simple operating system is a weekend affair.
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[23:26:01] <the_unmaker> and forther jeff fox won't release his 4os
[23:26:08] <the_unmaker> hm
[23:26:23] <e^ipi> taking that simple operating system and then filling it with BSD code and the leftover bits from dead UNIX companies is not an engineering task
[23:26:30] <the_unmaker> perhaps I am much too much a linux monkey and need to learn a bit of c
[23:26:49] <the_unmaker> do peple that know c is wiriting an os really a weekend thing?
[23:26:58] <smtms> the_unmaker, no
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[23:27:16] <smtms> the_unmaker, writing an OS requires hardware knowledge too + assembly programming
[23:27:20] <the_unmaker> wel he used a ot of gnu
[23:27:25] <the_unmaker> but the kerel works
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[23:27:35] <e^ipi> for some small values of 'works' anyways
[23:27:41] <smtms> yeah, putting more gnu makes it better
[23:28:06] <the_unmaker> heh
[23:28:17] <the_unmaker> damn it now im tempted to try opensoalris again!
[23:28:47] <smtms> the_unmaker, OpenSolaris is ready to try you again
[23:28:51] <the_unmaker> lol
[23:28:58] <the_unmaker> I had 200805 cd
[23:29:03] <the_unmaker> is there something mroe recent?
[23:29:16] <e^ipi> the 2008.11 betas
[23:29:44] <the_unmaker> is that dangerous stuff
[23:29:49] <e^ipi> not really
[23:29:54] <the_unmaker> Im not so good with solaris
[23:30:03] <the_unmaker> the 2008.05 cd was ez as pie to use
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[23:30:12] <the_unmaker> cakewalk
[23:30:23] <the_unmaker> is beta pretty smoothe?
[23:30:47] <e^ipi> i guess
[23:31:22] <the_unmaker> hm wheres the 2008.11 cd?
[23:32:24] <the_unmaker> i love 3M download speed at work
[23:32:27] <the_unmaker> :)
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[23:47:55] <the_unmaker> ?
[23:47:58] <the_unmaker> everyone busy
[23:48:08] <houst0n-> the_unmaker: genunix2.org
[23:48:21] <houst0n-> You can also get it from opensolaris.org
[23:48:40] <houst0n-> I just installed it actually, had been using SXCE forever
[23:48:43] <houst0n-> So far so good
[23:48:59] <houst0n-> just installing mplayer/vim/transmission/vlc/xfce/emerald
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[23:50:07] <the_unmaker> 2008.11 on the way down oh yey yah
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[23:50:13] <houst0n-> Heh
[23:50:20] <the_unmaker> what emerald?
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[23:50:37] <houst0n-> the_unmaker: It's like the window decorations for compiz-fusion
[23:50:42] <houst0n-> Themes etc
[23:50:44] <the_unmaker> wow 5M downlaod!
[23:50:48] <houst0n-> Looks purrrdy
[23:50:49] <the_unmaker> woa sneaky
[23:50:49] <houst0n-> err what?
[23:50:57] <the_unmaker> 5M download speed
[23:51:01] <the_unmaker> here at work
[23:51:02] <the_unmaker> ;)
[23:51:05] <houst0n-> that's good
[23:51:12] <the_unmaker> feelin sexy
[23:51:14] <houst0n-> I get like 3mb/s at work :(
[23:51:34] <houst0n-> Well, locally, the sites we connect to get a lot more
[23:51:47] <the_unmaker> nice!
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