[00:00:01] <e^ipi> ldap is a directory, RDBMS are for relational data
[00:00:22] <smtms> irish_bugger, how do you intend to query a relational DB? using which common protocol?
[00:00:27] <ZOP> oh wait i goofed, didn't roll back /var too hah.
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[00:02:18] <[0x41]> Is there a tut anywere for opensolaris, a descent one
[00:02:22] <[0x41]> ebook or something
[00:02:28] <e^ipi> topic
[00:02:30] <e^ipi> read the topic.
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[00:03:01] <[0x41]> i dont want the handbook on the site, something more in the way of an e-book
[00:03:03] <tnelson> So um.  apropos 'foo' yields: /usr/share/man/windex: No such file or directory.
[00:03:22] <tnelson> How do I coerce indexing to be done?
[00:03:25] <ZOP> [0x41]: the SAGs *ARE* ebooks.
[00:03:51] <e^ipi> you can dowload the pdf
[00:04:17] <evocallaghan> Is SSGD not free for personal use?
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[00:06:47] <ZOP> hah bit by an ACL somewhere.
[00:06:55] <ZOP> or maybe path len.
[00:06:59] <ZOP> *sigh*
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[00:07:31] <chris_unix_dude> tnelson: catman -M /usr/share/man -w
[00:10:38] <sponix> USB 2.0 external 2.5 Drive with NTFS, what is the best tool to recover data off of it? Either the drive has bad sectors, the data is corrupt, or the majority of the contents have been deleted by accident
[00:10:50] <chris_unix_dude> dd ?
[00:11:42] <Aria> sponix, luck, and the second best tool is prayer.
[00:12:04] <chris_unix_dude> sponix: seriously, I would use dd to read all sectors off of the drive, to at least verify that you do have good hw, and not just a a filesystem corruption
[00:12:31] <e^ipi> jbk: ??
[00:12:41] <Aria> Yeah. Make a copy, work on the copy. Recover what you can. Repeat.
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[00:13:45] <jbk> ?
[00:14:20] <e^ipi> even more reason for ZFS/windows to exist: http://wubi-installer.org/
[00:14:26] <e^ipi> have you seen that before? ( I just heard about it )
[00:15:18] <e^ipi> not that exact thing but something similar.
[00:15:30] <e^ipi> you said the filesystem dev kit was $100 from MS ?
[00:15:32] <chris_unix_dude> eipi: I thought ubuntu already had a mode to allow you to create a loopback device on NTFS, and use Ubuntu from within Windows.
[00:15:35] <Aria> Yeah. It's neat.
[00:15:49] <e^ipi> chris_unix_dude: *shrug* could be
[00:16:31] <chris_unix_dude> eipi: it's a good idea from the standpoint that you can evaluate your HW for suitability of running *NIX before trashing the partition table.
[00:16:44] <ZOP> yeah but livecds.
[00:16:47] <ZOP> work great too.
[00:16:52] <tnelson> chris_unix_dude: cheers -- shouldn't that be run via a cron or something by default?
[00:17:04] <chris_unix_dude> agreed - except you can't write back to a livecd.
[00:17:06] <jbk> e^ipi: yeah like $100 or $125
[00:17:33] <chris_unix_dude> tnelson: you can do - but by default it's got to be done at least once manually.
[00:18:03] <chris_unix_dude> tnelson: apropos and man -k both do the same thing BTW.
[00:19:03] <mshadle> tomj: any recommended 2x pci-x boards that ar eonly single CPU?
[00:19:20] <mshadle> at least single gigabit nic, supported properly in snv98 or whatever is the latest etc
[00:19:27] <tnelson> tnelson: yeah I know... I'm just used to typing apropos for some reason.
[00:20:06] <piwi_> talking to yourself?
[00:20:19] <chris_unix_dude> chris_unix_dude: Hums.
[00:20:21] <tnelson> hah.
[00:21:00] <tomww> sponix: ntfs3g tools should have a ignorant mode skipping bad areas but reading all the rest
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[00:22:01] <chris_unix_dude> sponix: You could also grab a version of dd which retries for bad sectors.
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[00:24:34] <chris_unix_dude> tomww: do ntfs3g tools exist for sol?
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[00:26:55] <tomj_> there's some unsupported driver, possibly read only I think
[00:28:03] <tomww> SFEntfs3g.spec helps to build them based on a rpm-style recipe
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[00:28:42] <chris_unix_dude> rpm ?
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[00:29:52] <mshadle> tomj: any recommended 2x pci-x boards that are only single CPU? this doesnt need to be crazy.
[00:30:46] <tomww> chris_unix_dude: the build environment used for the gnome builds and its derivates use rpm-style build recipes
[00:30:52] <benley> mshadle: pci-x or pci-e?
[00:31:00] <mshadle> pci-x
[00:31:09] <benley> hm
[00:31:11] <tomww> http://pkgbuild.sf.net and look for SFE, browse the svn repository (around 800-1000 recipes there)
[00:31:19] <benley> it seems like all the pci-x boards I've seen have been dual-socket.
[00:31:20] <chris_unix_dude> cool
[00:31:31] <guru][>  hi every1
[00:31:48] <mshadle> my two options are - go with 2 pci-x and get 2 pci-x sata controllers, or go with 8 onboard sata w/ 1 pci-e 8 port sata controller
[00:31:48] <guru][> e^ipi, how you doin'
[00:32:36] <tomww> chris_unix_dude: I waslooking for much too long until I found this build tools and env. since that time I never touched ./configure without a vim glove anymore
[00:32:46] <fluffle> mshadle: ooh i did research around this recently -- if you're after intel kit asus do a line of "workstation" motherboards that are nice
[00:33:04] <mshadle> it'd be nice to pick one up that newegg or another decent vendor has
[00:33:16] <mshadle> it sucks it's so hard to find a good mobo matrix
[00:33:23] <mshadle> newegg has one but only for the products they carry
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[00:33:32] <mshadle> got any model #'s?
[00:33:42] <fluffle> http://uk.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=82&l3=593&l4=0&model=1900&modelmenu=1
[00:33:56] <fluffle> that has dual pci-x and dual pcie x16 ;)
[00:34:09] 
[00:34:23] <tomww> sponix: I'm compiling the ntfs stuff right now, I'll let you know if it actually works. the only problem you might face is, that the partitons are not recognized and that prevents easy access to the filesystems (how many partitions on the disk? preimary/ extended ones?)
[00:34:54] <fluffle> i bought their P5K just a few days ago, way cheaper but only 1 pci-x and 1 pcie x16
[00:35:02] <mshadle> cool
[00:35:20] <fluffle> seems nice enough though there are some issues with current linux kernels and the marvell ide chipset i've hit :/
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[00:35:28] <fluffle> (i assume you're buying it for solaris though)
[00:35:37] <mshadle> it runs opensolaris well?
[00:35:48] <mshadle> i want to run latest nevada (build 98 i think)
[00:35:58] <mshadle> for ZFS and CIFS. not much else.
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[00:37:17] <mshadle> it has 8 onboard sata.. looks like two different chipsets
[00:37:38] <piwi_> mshadle: do you need the full speed? otherwise you may use a sas controller + expander
[00:37:42] <fluffle> mshadle: i've no idea if it runs opensolaris at all, but it's *extremely* new hardware so you may well hit problems
[00:37:50] <fluffle> dunno how well the ICH10 chipset is supported
[00:38:00] <mshadle> 2 x Marvell88E8056 Dual Gigabit LAN controller   works well? :) i can't find anything about it offiically
[00:38:07] <mshadle> iirc ICH10 is listed as solaris certified
[00:38:16] <fluffle> they work in linux using the sky2 driver
[00:38:22] <fluffle> (the nics)
[00:38:24] <mshadle> i dont care about linux for this :)
[00:38:39] <fluffle> well no, but that might well help your googling efforts and it's a point of reference
[00:38:44] <ZOP> mshadle: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/
[00:39:02] <irish_bugger> is it worth it to move t opensoalris from archlinux
[00:39:05] <irish_bugger> Im pretty darn happy
[00:39:07] <mshadle> hcl is dated
[00:39:07] <tomww> sponix: SFEntfs-3g requires SUNWfuse & SUNWlibfuse  . SFEntfsprogs is compiling right now
[00:39:15] <mshadle> i google and search opensolaris bugs/forums constantly :/
[00:39:20] <ZOP> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/os/components/views/networking_all_results.mfg.page3.html
[00:39:27] <e^ipi> irish_bugger: only you can answer that question
[00:39:46] <e^ipi> the rest of us seem to have found reasons to use solaris over the alternatives
[00:40:07] <mshadle> how hard is it to install external drivers?
[00:40:25] <ZOP> mshadle: i dont' see a specific entry but the skyge may support it.  and usually it's pretty easy requiring you just burn the extracted update to CD
[00:40:36] <ZOP> mshadle: like the first thign the installer does is ask you if youw ant to install drivers
[00:40:45] <ZOP> then it'll ask you liek floppy or usb/cd/whatever.
[00:40:54] <mshadle> hrm i dont remember that part but i only installed OSOL once
[00:40:54] <e^ipi> mshadle: pkgadd -d blah.pkg
[00:40:56] <e^ipi> done.
[00:41:06] <mshadle> http://www.marvell.com/drivers/driverDisplay.do?driverId=180  that's not a package ? :p
[00:41:53] <e^ipi> mshadle: yes it is
[00:42:09] <e^ipi> YUKONXsolx
[00:42:15] <xtrondo> keep in mind that you cab't use Xen or IP instances with skge or yukon driver from Marvell
[00:42:22] <e^ipi> once you untar/zip it
[00:42:54] <mshadle> hrm ok
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[00:43:07] <mshadle> i wont be using xen or anything else. just zfs, nevada build 98, cifs server.,
[00:43:11] <ZOP> they have to support the new driver architecture.
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[00:43:38] <ZOP> but if you're not using Zones or Xen/xVM you won't really notice.
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[00:46:25] * Aria grumbles at just that.
[00:46:36] <Aria> I have exactly that chip, and I'm using both Zones and xVM
[00:47:17] <ZOP> Aria: :/
[00:47:37] <mshadle> so pretty much any marvell 88E80xx is covered with that driver?
[00:47:46] <tomww> sponix: want SFEntfsprogs as compiled package?
[00:47:47] <ZOP> Aria: if it makes you feel any better i'm getting beat to hell by an e1000 bug that makes my machine go away/stop responding for a minute or two out of every hour
[00:47:56] <Aria> No, not particularly.
[00:48:12] <Aria> ... Since I'm installing an e1000 gbic to make up for it.
[00:48:17] <ZOP> lol
[00:48:30] <ZOP> well you'll be happy to know the bug i'm hitting is pretty chipset specific.
[00:48:37] <ZOP> or atleast AFAICT it is.
[00:48:42] <xtrondo> Aria: zones yes, but you can't use IP instance with zones with non GLVD v3 interfaces so, you must be using shared zones
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[00:49:30] <ZOP> xtrondo: how much work is it to port drivers to GLVDv3?  from the preso i saw at one point it didn't seem like a *lot* but.
[00:49:37] <ZOP> being as i've never done it or developed one.
[00:49:43] <Aria> xtrondo: that or it's not working and I have an elxl in there right now ;-)
[00:50:00] <Aria> Which chipset, ZOP?
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[00:53:09] <xtrondo> ZOP: porting well working GLVDv2 driver to v3 is not that hard in my opinion, some require hard work, but for other can be a trivial task
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[00:54:21] <ZOP> Tyan S2937 - Intel 82571EB
[00:54:32] <ZOP> (re to Aria)
[00:54:41] <mshadle> the intel nic chipsets are annoying
[00:54:46] <mshadle> the minor differences due to AMT etc
[00:55:07] <ZOP> yeah they have...too many variants and not enough programmers or something heh.
[00:55:18] <mshadle> i work for intel too
[00:55:23] <mshadle> and was pissed my nics didnt do jumbo
[00:56:53] <ZOP> yeah well the MTU bug that was supposedly closed in snv_95, is still present in snv_99 in my chipset.  and then there's this other bug where it just stuffs up occasionally for no reason that i can tell.
[00:57:08] <ZOP> even as far back as 5.2.6
[00:57:14] <mshadle> this was in linux
[00:57:29] <ZOP> 5.2.6 doesn't seem to have the MTU bug but does seem to ahve the freezing/hang bug.
[00:57:29] <mshadle> they said the'yd fix it and afaik they never did, then i hear somewher eelse it's a hardware issue and cant be
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[00:57:44] <mshadle> why we would manufacture anything wiithout jumbo support is beyond me
[00:57:52] <ZOP> yeah there are quite a few e100 and 1000's out there that can't do jumbo's.
[00:58:05] <ZOP> or can't in one silicon mask rev, but can in another.
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[00:59:31] <CIA-25> Rod Evans <Rod.Evans at Sun dot COM>: 6756472 AOUT search path pruning
[00:59:32] <CIA-25> Konstantin Ananyev <Konstantin.Ananyev at Sun dot COM>: 6756293 poweroff and halt commands broken by fast reboot feature, 6756300 Fast reboot from an unmounted ufs root file system fails with errno EFBIG
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[01:40:56] <sstallion> evening all
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[01:47:18] <Aria> ZOP, Thanks
[01:48:21] <sstallion> evening e^ipi
[01:48:25] <e^ipi> heya
[01:48:41] <ZOP> Aria: yeah so i hope your adaptor isnt' that chipset...idk what others might be affected though
[01:50:41] <Aria> It's not.  Thanks thoughQ!
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[02:01:56] <mib_s9atgp> is lustre ok for 1 box
[02:02:01] <mib_s9atgp> or only good for multiple
[02:02:23] <e^ipi> what would be the point of using it on one box?
[02:02:27] <e^ipi> it's a cluster filesystem
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[02:03:35] <mib_s9atgp> i dunno
[02:03:39] <mib_s9atgp> its new filesystem eh
[02:03:41] <mib_s9atgp> ..
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[02:06:38] <ZOP> mib_s9atgp: it's a clustring filesystem, really nonsensicle for a single box
[02:06:45] <ZOP> mib_s9atgp: and its linux only atm.
[02:10:08] <mib_s9atgp> o
[02:10:09] <mib_s9atgp> kok
[02:10:10] <mib_s9atgp> ok
[02:10:26] <mib_s9atgp> I was reading that xfs and reiser can lose data
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[02:10:31] <mib_s9atgp> ext3 is slower but safer
[02:11:40] <ballChalk> safer...async?  hehe
[02:12:26] <ballChalk> they all can lose data, the purpose though is to make sure the filesystem metadata doessnt get scrambled
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[02:14:19] <ballChalk> i think zfs is somewhat unique because it copies on write instead of overwriting
[02:14:38] <ZOP> ballChalk: NetApps WAFL does that too
[02:14:41] <ZOP> there are a couple others.
[02:14:53] <ZOP> in fac tthats why NetApp tried (might still be trieing?) to sue Sun over ZFS
[02:15:09] <_mary_kate_> still trying, but they're not doing very well
[02:15:27] <ZOP> yeah they kinda put their arm in the cage with the 800lb gorilla
[02:15:30] <ZOP> and tried to poke it
[02:15:50] <ZOP> now i suspect the 800lb gorilla has ahold of their arm and is about to tear it off and beat them to death with the wet end.
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[02:20:19] <ZOP> or atleast i REALLY hope the 800lb gorilla does.
[02:20:27] <plavcik> hi, is max swap size 2 GB?
[02:20:35] 
[02:20:38] <ballChalk> on 32bit
[02:20:42] <nachox> i've never heard that, but i'd bet no
[02:21:21] <_mary_kate_> i believe on 32-bit, the maximum size of a single swap device is 32-bit
[02:21:24] <_mary_kate_> er, is 2GB
[02:21:28] <_mary_kate_> but you can add multiple devices
[02:21:30] <ballChalk> man swap
[02:22:06] <nachox> ZOP, the great thing about being sun is that you've also got a lot of patents someone else is probably violating
[02:22:14] <plavcik> I'm preparing for my first opensolaris installation and ZFS admin guide is unclear on this
[02:22:16] <ZOP> nachox: exactly.
[02:22:22] <ZOP> nachox: like NFS? heh.
[02:22:28] <ZOP> nachox: how about NIS/YP?
[02:22:49] <ballChalk> I'd rather netapp and sun work something out that benefits me somehow
[02:22:53] <nachox> i'd just stop using NIS and settle for little if that was the case :P
[02:23:15] <ZOP> lol
[02:23:17] <_mary_kate_> ZOP: i really hope sun doesn't have patents on nis/yp or nfs.  that would be extreme bad-faith, as they gave away those tecnologies with the intent of increasing inter-system compatibility
[02:23:32] <_mary_kate_> (or at least, that they don't enforce them)
[02:24:09] <ZOP> _mary_kate_: yeah maybe not on NFS itself but technologies used therein i htink they do.  i don't knwo what the sun lawyers will do, but i'm sure that theres a lot of fruit on that tree that could be thrown.
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[02:24:30] <jamesd> _mary_kate_ they probably have them but only enforce them on people that sue them.  like netapp
[02:25:43] <ZOP> but i think that in this case it might be hard to argue bad faith because Sun did try to negotiate with NetApp
[02:25:59] <ZOP> NetApps decided they'd do better in court or that they didn't like the terms.
[02:26:13] <plavcik> what is dump device in OpenSolaris?
[02:26:14] <nachox> i dont think you can actually get an RFC from ietf if you dont give away the right to sue, what would be the point of a standard if noone can implement it?
[02:26:17] <ballChalk> What is the actual argument?
[02:26:38] <_mary_kate_> plavcik: swap, by default
[02:26:43] <_mary_kate_> you can change that with dumpadm
[02:26:57] <nachox> plavcik, man dumpadm
[02:27:01] <plavcik> I have to allocate swap and dump for ZFS install
[02:27:01] <nachox> crap, late
[02:27:18] <jamesd> ballChalk, that sun is going to take there lunch money with ZFS, and netapp will have to bring there own balony sandwitches for lunch.
[02:27:29] <ZOP>      On the 32-bit operating system, only the first 2  Gbytes  -1
[02:27:29] <ZOP>      are  used for swap devices greater than or equal to 2 Gbytes
[02:27:29] <ZOP>      in size.
[02:27:37] <plavcik> is web interface to man pages available? I have no opensolaris box
[02:27:39] <ZOP> plavcik: yeah with ZFS you can't share swap and dump
[02:28:14] <nachox> ZOP, bah, who is using 32 bit os's these days? :)
[02:29:26] <plavcik> nachox: for exampleI'm using 32bit machines / systems on most machines
[02:30:24] <ZOP> plavcik: yeah there is but icr where the instructions were on opensolaris.org for changing a man page reference into a permanent url @ sun
[02:30:42] <nachox> plavcik, you're going to suffer zfs
[02:30:50] <ZOP> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/40.10
[02:30:57] <plavcik> weel I just need to understant what dump device is, how big space I hav eto allocate
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[02:31:16] <ZOP> plavcik: it's where the kernel sends core emmory when the box panics
[02:31:29] <nachox> what you use when things break :)
[02:31:35] <ZOP> plavcik: it should be equal to the size of main memory.
[02:32:05] <ZOP> nachox: to they get compressed?
[02:32:08] <ZOP> *do
[02:32:41] <nachox> i'm not sure, but i dont think so
[02:32:52] <_mary_kate_> i think you can get away with dump = ~ 0.5 RAM
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[02:33:03] <_mary_kate_> as it's compressed, and only includes kernel pages by default
[02:33:05] <plavcik> thx, that's the exact answer
[02:33:12] <plavcik> thx also for url to man pages
[02:33:23] <nachox> it is? that's cool
[02:33:31] <ZOP> plavcik: also there's sun bigadmin portal
[02:33:53] <ZOP> plavcik: and the ever growing body of knowledge on opensolaris.org too.
[02:35:18] <plavcik> ok, I will look there too
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[02:36:28] <plavcik> if you are interested, the reason I'm going install SXCE is ZFS
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[02:37:55] <ZOP> plavcik: you're not the only one heh
[02:38:25] <nachox> i'm not sure you want zfs in a 32 bit system, specially if you have little ram... unless you can stand a slow fs
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[02:38:54] <_mary_kate_> i'd say if you have 1GB or more, zfs is worth it.  unless it's a very disk-heavy application.. but then you'd probably have a newer system anyway
[02:39:05] <_mary_kate_> (1GB is tight, but it'll work)
[02:39:15] <ZOP> is it just me or is opensolaris.org really slow right now?
[02:41:23] <mib_s9atgp> debate time!!!!
[02:41:26] <mib_s9atgp> yeah!!!
[02:41:32] <mib_s9atgp> obama lead slipped to 2%
[02:42:00] <turtle> people must be figuring out that he's secretly a terrorist!
[02:42:00] <pumpkin_> o.O
[02:42:02] <mib_s9atgp> growing body of knowledge!!!
[02:42:07] <pumpkin_> you mean he isn't?
[02:42:08] <plavcik> I will use the newest box with AMD64, 1GB RAM, and 4x 300GB disk to hve storage
[02:42:10] <mib_s9atgp> traffic with them eh
[02:42:11] <turtle> don't 'cha know
[02:42:22] <pumpkin_> omg his middle name is same as dictator!!
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[02:42:24] <mib_s9atgp> plavcik: sounds awesome
[02:42:25] <turtle> you bet'cha he is!
[02:42:26] <pumpkin_> they must be related
[02:42:30] <mib_s9atgp> obama and osama
[02:42:33] <turtle> gosh darnet
[02:42:39] <mib_s9atgp> communism!!
[02:42:41] <pumpkin_> mib_s9atgp: omg another nail in coffin
[02:42:44] <pumpkin_> i was talking about hussein
[02:42:53] <turtle> i was at the grocery store and some guy had a cool bumper sticker that said "The only difference between Obama and Osama is B.S."
[02:42:54] <mib_s9atgp> hussein osama
[02:43:01] <mib_s9atgp> lol
[02:43:02] <mib_s9atgp> lol
[02:43:05] <mib_s9atgp> awesome
[02:43:10] <plavcik> ZOP: I can image, that ZFS is important for Solaris
[02:43:20] <plavcik> for Solaris future
[02:43:41] <nachox> plavcik, you might want to invest a little more and get some extra ram
[02:44:01] <nachox> and zfs is important for solaris' present too
[02:44:33] <plavcik> if I succedd, then I will upgrade RAM
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[02:45:41] <plavcik> thx for all answers, I have to go sleep, DVD image shall be ready at morning ;)
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[02:47:16] <ZOP> yeah we've got one big live ZFS deployment, ad i'll ahve atleast four by the end of the year
[02:47:21] <mib_s9atgp> woa
[02:47:22] <ninjaslim> is Solaris "ps" different than BSD ps and the one on Linux
[02:47:25] <mib_s9atgp> dragonfly bsd is out
[02:47:30] <ZOP> I'm replacing an EMC CX200 and AX100 fibre channel with Solaris FC targets.
[02:47:30] <_mary_kate_> ninjaslim: yes.  it's sysv ps
[02:47:59] <nachox> ninjaslim, solaris includes at least 2 ps's
[02:47:59] <ninjaslim> _mary_kate_ i thought most ps versoins will except both style arguments
[02:48:11] <nachox> that's gnu ps
[02:48:13] <_mary_kate_> ninjaslim: the only ps i've seen that does that is linux
[02:48:40] <ZOP> also replacing a database server, and several mail storage servers with either Solaris Zones or Solaris xVM Paravirtualized Xen linux domU's.
[02:49:01] <ninjaslim> really, i've not used SysV Unixes, i went from Linux to BSD which is why i was a little confunded when ps aux didn't work on solaris
[02:49:06] <ZOP> ninjaslim: only GNU ps will accept both.
[02:49:13] <ninjaslim> oh ok
[02:49:16] <nachox> ninjaslim, ps -ef
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[02:49:45] <ninjaslim> oh there we go
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[02:50:17] <ZOP> nachox: oh c'mon, i wanted him to keep scratching his head! lol :)
[02:51:31] <nachox> ZOP, i guess i could have pointed at /usr/ucb/bin/ps too :)
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[02:52:05] <ninjaslim> wait Solaris includes BSD userland?
[02:52:40] <the_unmaker> does opensoalris ever sahre ideas with freeBSD?
[02:52:51] <the_unmaker> what is the packet filter for opensolaris?
[02:53:01] <ninjaslim> no because he said
[02:53:04] <ZOP> FreeBSD has probably the most stable port of ZFS outside of Solaris
[02:53:05] <ninjaslim> /usr/ucb/bin/ps
[02:53:09] <jamesd> the_unmaker, zfs and dtrace are being ported to freebsd and  ipf is fully supported on solaris
[02:53:22] <nachox> the_unmaker, ipf
[02:53:33] <the_unmaker> ipf?
[02:53:39] <the_unmaker> is that the freebsd packet filter?
[02:53:47] <the_unmaker> i thought it was called pf
[02:53:48] <the_unmaker> hm
[02:53:51] <ZOP> the_unmaker: I can't quite see you.... like you keep shifting away!  YOU REALLY ARE THE UNMAKER!
[02:54:02] <ZOP> (ok ok i read too much of the Alvin Maker series lol)
[02:54:14] <ZOP> anyway i'm out
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[02:56:04] <nachox> i think the only bsd that doesnt use ipf is openbsd
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[02:57:44] <ninjaslim> pf is imported on all BSDs
[02:57:53] <ninjaslim> whethere they use it or not by default is a different story
[02:58:10] <ninjaslim> OpenBSD is the only one that has it enabled by default as the default packet filter
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[03:09:49] <Jonathan123> Howdy folks. I was just doing an update from snv_86 and ran in to this issue: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3439
[03:10:45] <Jonathan123> But, I don't see any work arounds for it. Right now it is has just printed those error messages, and is sitting at "Install Phase    21606/21606)
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[03:38:38] <PaulR_> anyone know how to mount a Xen disk image ?
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[03:58:08] <PaulR_> anyone know who's responsible for the opensolaris.org site?
[04:06:12] <Plazma> PaulR_, should be contact info on the page.. im sure they could tell you where to go if they aren't responsible
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[04:08:37] <Plazma> I would imagine if FlexLM works successfully on solaris 10 that opensolaris should have no issues with it
[04:10:47] <PaulR_> FlexLM?
[04:11:12] <Plazma> license manager
[04:11:17] <Plazma> by globetrotter software
[04:11:19] <PaulR_> oh
[04:11:29] <Plazma> and id rather not use windows or linux :)
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[04:14:53] <_mary_kate_> flexlm has to be the best argument ever made in support of software piracy
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[04:15:10] <Plazma> oh really? whys that
[04:15:17] <_mary_kate_> did you ever use it? ;)
[04:16:23] * nachox doesnt even know what flexlm is
[04:16:44] <nachox> i'm betting lm comes from license management or something like that though
[04:17:07] <_mary_kate_> yes, it's a license manager with support for network license repositories
[04:17:18] <Plazma> yea
[04:17:20] <Plazma> thats all it does
[04:17:22] <Plazma> but my work uses it
[04:17:26] <Plazma> and it does its job.. well
[04:17:27] <_mary_kate_> and it does it _really_ _really_ badly ;)
[04:17:28] <Plazma> i have had no issues
[04:17:30] <_mary_kate_> or at least, really annoyingly
[04:17:36] <Plazma> well yea it can be annoying when it fucks up
[04:17:46] <Plazma> becuase it doesn't TELL you why something broke
[04:17:52] <Plazma> nor do most hte applications who rly on them.. sadly
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[04:19:47] <dystopia> be sure its not node locked :p
[04:19:51] <Plazma> wee
[04:20:01] * sstallion grumbles.
[04:20:04] <Plazma> dystopia, oh god.. the horror
[04:22:34] <dystopia> in theory it should save you money though
[04:22:52] <dystopia> actually i just read its called FLEXnet now
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[04:35:18] <piwi_> opensolaris forum error: type: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError
[04:35:32] <piwi_> interesting :)
[04:36:23] <nachox> what? never seen that?
[04:36:53] <piwi_> on 3 tabs atm in my browser
[04:37:03] <piwi_> no, not yet
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[04:38:06] * boyd is shocked to read that there are problems with the forum software
[04:38:23] <Plazma> dystopia, oh dammit.. thats more red tape i have to deal with
[04:38:39] <Plazma> oh well
[04:38:41] <Plazma> i get paid either way
[04:38:53] <Plazma> i just would rahter get paid for playing HL2
[04:38:54] <Plazma> :P
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[04:57:38] <PaulR_> boyd:  its pathetic
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[05:29:18] <boyd> xgnus
[05:29:21] <boyd> grr
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[05:35:37] <jlc> does jds and sfe parts build on sun studio 12 or is 11 recommended?
[05:38:37] <_mary_kate_> i don't know about JDS, but for SFE, 12 works fine
[05:38:58] <jlc> is it better to get the ss12 package or tar ball
[05:39:16] <jlc> i've been out of the solaris loop for awhile, but i used to build jds all the time and sfe parts
[05:39:19] <_mary_kate_> what opensolaris distribution are you using?
[05:39:27] <jlc> installing sxce 99
[05:39:32] <_mary_kate_> use packages then
[05:39:37] <_mary_kate_> the tars don't include patches
[05:39:42] <jlc> thx
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[05:39:55] <jlc> does sxce have mp3 support by default too?
[05:40:11] <jlc> not that important, just curious
[05:40:14] <_mary_kate_> not when i last used it, but you can add fluendo for free
[05:40:51] <jlc> cool
[05:41:58] <jlc> does laca and gman still hang out here?
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[05:45:58] <_mary_kate_> laca's mostly in #pkgbuild.. gman comes around occasionally
[05:46:13] <jlc> danka
[05:46:25] <_mary_kate_> d/ka/ke/ ;)
[05:46:43] <jlc> ;)
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[05:59:27] <CIA-25> Ada <Ada.Feng at Sun dot COM>: 6753758 ata driver doesn't work in snv_99 (older systems only?), 6752338 ata driver hangs in b99 on Toshiba Tecra A9
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[07:28:51] <tnelson> I/ws 8
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[07:57:59] <trochej> Elo
[07:58:05] <trochej> Coffee?
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[08:15:59] <farsan> trochej: I badly need some coffee
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[08:56:32] <trochej> farsan: Me too
[08:56:34] <trochej> Badly
[09:01:53] * Berny hands out a round of coffee
[09:01:59] <Berny> thereye go guys
[09:02:06] <trochej> Aaahhhh
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[09:02:35] <trochej> I think my last two grey cells start roaming around.
[09:04:14] <farsan> One of my old transtec raid-arrays went fubar this night
[09:04:22] <farsan> Lost 1TB of data. =/
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[09:06:56] <CosmicDJ> nice, how was it backup'd?
[09:07:25] <trochej> Or was *that* THE backup?
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[09:08:02] <Stric> farsan: any major df system gone bonk or so?
[09:08:16] <Berny> "there is only one thing certain about harddisks - they will fail!"
[09:08:46] <farsan> Stric: ftp.df.lth.se
[09:09:02] <not-me-guv> Berny's opensolaris guarantee!
[09:09:16] <Stric> farsan: ouch. did it contain any "real" data or only mirrored stuff?
[09:10:10] <farsan> Just mirrored stuff and some df-specific. There is a backup on the df-stuff... I think.
[09:10:19] <Stric> :P
[09:10:41] <CosmicDJ> from... last year ;)
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[09:10:53] <farsan> We orderd a new ftp-server a week ago. Should arrive any day now
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[09:11:37] <Stric> farsan: good luck from acc ;)
[09:11:40] <norman> What does df mean?
[09:11:41] * Stric heads for breakfast
[09:11:56] <farsan> Stric: It sure is needed ;)
[09:12:15] 
[09:12:48] <Stric> university thingie
[09:13:10] <norman> :)
[09:13:14] <_mary_kate_> which solaris manual describes how to add IP aliases?
[09:13:16] <farsan> Damn students ;)
[09:14:38] 
[09:15:36] 
[09:16:11] <tsoome> _mary_kate_:  man ifconfig :)
[09:16:23] <norman> Oh, so Stric already gave me the translation :| :)
[09:16:30] <fraggeln> norman: yea
[09:17:11] <_mary_kate_> tsoome: i don't see anything there about making changes persistent
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[09:19:45] <DTEIT> morning
[09:20:29] <CosmicDJ> _mary_kate_: /etc/hostname.if ?
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[09:20:37] <Stric> _mary_kate_: add /etc/hostname.bge0:1  etc
[09:20:39] <_mary_kate_> CosmicDJ: and what do i write there?
[09:20:47] <Stric> samt as in non-:1
[09:20:49] <Stric> same
[09:20:50] <tsoome> well, its done in /etc/hostname.* files, but indeed, there is no reference manual for it. so only source is to use docs.sun.com and syadmin amnual there for IP stack configuration (cant remember the exact name)
[09:21:07] <_mary_kate_> tsoome: docs.sun.com _is_ the manual, no?  i want to know which manual this information is in
[09:21:10] <_mary_kate_> because i can't find it
[09:21:53] <trochej> _mary_kate_: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4554/ipconfig-1?a=view
[09:22:03] <trochej> _mary_kate_: I think you may be looking for that
[09:22:13] <tsoome> basically you write ifconfig command line with ifconfig interface part cut off
[09:22:44] <_mary_kate_> trochej: i saw that, but it doesn't seem to explain aliases
[09:22:53] <trochej> Ahh, aliases.
[09:23:18] <trochej> _mary_kate_: If I think properly, you just treat them the way you treat physical interfaces, only you start an alias with 1 not 0
[09:23:30] <_mary_kate_> so i just write the IP in /etc/hostname.bge0:1?
[09:23:32] <tsoome> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4554/fwawf?a=view
[09:24:02] <tsoome> there is 2 ways, u can  write ip/name into /etc/hostname.bge0:1
[09:24:20] <tsoome> or you add line addif ip up to /etc/hostname.bge0
[09:26:17] <tsoome> what the network/physical smf service does is it takes hostname.bge0 file, gets if name from it (bge0) and does ifconfig bge0 plumb.
[09:26:57] <tsoome> next thing, it reads the contents and uses ifconfig bge0 line_from_hostname.bge0 command
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[10:02:54] <jollyd> hi ! I am unable to find `imake` that used to be in /usr/openwin/bin on 2008.5, does anybody know what package provides it in the pkg repository ?
[10:02:57] <jollyd> thanks
[10:03:41] <e^ipi> i thought X had moved away from imake
[10:04:26] <CosmicDJ> mh yes, didn't Xorg switch to configure/make?
[10:04:35] <e^ipi> autobreak, yeah
[10:04:40] <e^ipi> so, imake is dead and gone...
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[10:07:54] <jollyd> e^ipi, CosmicDJ: thx! but imake is required to build teTex bins :/ the hotel where i stay has bad internet connection so i can't fetch blastwave packages... so the fallback is pkgsrc
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[10:08:54] <CosmicDJ> jollyd: try texlive from pkgsrc-wip
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[10:10:46] <e^ipi> silly MIT and their fancy different ways of doing things
[10:10:59] <jollyd> CosmicDJ: ok thank you!
[10:11:55] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: X isn't the only thing that uses imake
[10:12:04] <_mary_kate_> even if Solaris's X build doesn't use imake, customer software still will use it
[10:12:18] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: i'm aware of that, but it was there in service of X
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[10:13:01] <CosmicDJ> _mary_kate_: imake is still in Solaris10 (and maybe sxce)
[10:13:11] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: surely if it were only there to build X, it wouldn't be installed
[10:13:11] <e^ipi> someone ( me... *crosses fingers* ) will put it back in IPS soon enough
[10:13:57] <e^ipi> then why would they remove it when X no longer needs it?
[10:14:03] <jollyd> i saw in the logs that an opensource version of imake was part of b97 but can't figure where it is ..
[10:14:06] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: that is exactly my point
[10:14:26] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: your comment "i thought X had moved away from imake" > "so, imake is dead and gone..." suggested that imake was removed because X no longer required it
[10:15:08] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[10:15:09] <e^ipi> w/e
[10:17:46] <e^ipi> i think we both generally understand what we mean
[10:18:16] <_mary_kate_> well, as you work for sun now, i can no longer assume what you say is what a sensible person would think ;)
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[10:18:49] <e^ipi> :P
[10:19:06] <tijo007> Hello, how do I set zone where iface doesn't have static ip but exclusive ip access so it can get ip from dhcp? something like bridge? please, could someone point me how to do that?
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[10:22:14] <Berny> tijo007, iirc you need to give the zone an exclusive iface for dhcp to work inside the zone
[10:23:22] <Berny> like set ip-type=exclusive; add net; set physical=bgex;end
[10:23:33] <tijo007> Berny: i did a vlan interface via dladm but it doesn't work.
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[10:24:48] <Berny> as i said iirc for dhcp in a zone to work the zone need an exclusive ip stack
[10:26:34] <tijo007> Berny: do you know how to create en exclusive ip stack please?
[10:27:08] <CosmicDJ> tijo007: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2450/z.config.ov-1?a=view
[10:27:15] <Berny> zonecfg
[10:27:21] <Berny> set ip-type=exclusive
[10:27:24] <Berny> add net
[10:27:40] <Berny> set physical=bgex (or whatever nic you want to assign)
[10:27:41] <Berny> end
[10:28:29] <tijo007> CosmicDJ: thanks, i'll learn it
[10:29:04] <tijo007> Berny: yep I already did it but when started up it told me i'm not owner (the zone) of that iface
[10:29:39] <Berny> what nic is it?
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[10:29:54] <Berny> does it have a gldv3 driver?
[10:29:59] <jollyd> CosmicDJ: texlive requires imake either :/
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[10:30:26] <tijo007> Berny: iprb0       phys     1500   up       --
[10:30:26] <tijo007> iprb1000    vlan     1500   up       iprb0
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[10:32:28] <CosmicDJ> jollyd: hm, well then any reason why do you want to compile it instead of using the binaries provided by tug.org? http://www.tug.org/texlive/doc.html solaris-x86 is supported...
[10:33:19] <Berny> hmm, don't know about iprb... one could check with with dladm show-link once if it said something about type:legacy it wasn't gldv3
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[10:35:22] <tijo007> Berny: this is dladm show-link result... no type:legacy anywhere :-/ ... using snv99
[10:35:24] <jollyd> CosmicDJ: i'm not at home and the connection is so slow and keeps breaking so i can't download the package
[10:36:47] <CosmicDJ> jollyd: but you can d/l the source code (which isn't small, either) ?!
[10:37:14] <Berny> tijo007, true on my snv99 i see that too... looks like the dladm output changed
[10:37:17] <CosmicDJ> jollyd: IIRC wget can resume downloads, try that
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[10:38:29] <Berny> hmm, google hints that iprb should be gldv3
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[10:38:46] <Berny> and you don't use that nic in any other zone yet?
[10:39:38] <Berny> until now i only gave the whole pysical device to a zone, so no idea if this is supposed to work with virtual nics
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[10:40:31] <tijo007> clean osol installation, no other zone started... i would like to bridge this zone to current subnet using dhcp
[10:40:33] <jollyd> CosmicDJ: i already had the texmf tarball.. that helped... i'll try to install the binaries
[10:43:13] <tijo007> Berny: btw another confusing thing, even if running zone, command 'zoneadm -z zone1 halt' reboots my globalzone :( maybe local issue. i have to explore it yet
[10:44:29] <JWheeler> I'm having a stupid moment - how do I convert mp3s onto an audio CD-R? I know I've done it in gnome before, but I just can't remember how
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[10:57:45] <Fullmoon> Is it just me or is the BSD tail much more responsive?
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[11:00:20] <CosmicDJ> well *bsd's tail is using kqueue/kevent; but I don't think you'll notice it...
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[11:02:36] <Yorlik_extern> Did anyone here make it to compile apr_dbd_mysql.so, be it either in coolstack or from vanilla sources ? I'm quite stuck and need that driver.
[11:02:36] <sickness> plus, I can't find a way to give the -n and the -f options to the solaris tail command =)
[11:02:39] <sickness> me is lame
[11:04:33] <CosmicDJ> sickness: try /usr/xpg4/bin/tail
[11:04:44] <sickness> lemme try
[11:05:18] <sickness> yeah, seems to work! tnx =)
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[11:06:42] <PerterB> people actually use -n? :)  the /bin/tail equivalent of "-n 99 -f" is just "-99f" which should work on pretty much every other tail too
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[11:11:40] <houst0n-> nv_100 out this friday or next?
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[11:11:53] <dustman> hi
[11:11:57] <houst0n-> yo
[11:12:09] <dustman> is Attansic L1 Gigabit ethernet adapter supported in current?
[11:12:33] <houst0n-> Hmm, not sure, what are you using?
[11:12:33] <sickness> HEH
[11:12:37] <sickness> :'
[11:12:42] <houst0n-> yo sickness
[11:12:46] <houst0n-> how goes it mate?
[11:12:53] <sickness> fine tnx :)
[11:12:59] <sickness> and you?
[11:13:05] <dustman> well, that's ethernet on my asus mobo
[11:13:15] <houst0n-> Not bad, it's 10:13am, i'm in the office listening to Nine Inch Nails at UNGODLY volume
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[11:13:17] <sickness> I always check the open bug for the L1 but I think it's still unsupported
[11:13:22] <sickness> eheh
[11:13:24] <sickness> NIN++
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[11:13:33] <houst0n-> ;)
[11:13:38] <dustman> *sigh*
[11:14:16] <sickness> funny thing is that hacked osx on x86 HAS a driver for it, lol
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[11:14:40] <sickness> linux has also a driver, but it's not 64bit safe, so it actually sux
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[11:15:48] <houst0n-> I have like 15 of em :/
[11:16:15] <sickness> I've just a pci-e 1x slot accessible on that box, will I find a pci-e white box nic that'll *probably* work under solaris? I think not
[11:18:14] <dustman> I've got only one PCI slot free on this box and bit hesitant to use it for ethernet card
[11:18:28] <dustman> well, looks like there's no other option
[11:19:21] <dustman> unsupported audio is ok to live with but without net it's hard
[11:21:08] <houst0n-> Hehe
[11:21:16] <houst0n-> Sod that for a game of soldiers
[11:23:04] <dustman> btw, why request for driver is considered 'bug'?
[11:23:30] <sickness> it's filled in the bug reports I think it's standard procedure?
[11:23:51] <sickness> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6580058
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[11:27:25] <dustman> well, it's just bit strange for me, like if windows users would complain it doesn't run on sparc..
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[11:28:23] <sickness> well we are not talking about a random taiwanese 2 cent CMOS usb webcam here
[11:28:46] <sickness> it's an ethernet adapter that's almost in all asus motherboards that are the most sold motherboards nowadays
[11:29:03] <sickness> so for better or worse it should be supported in some way :(
[11:29:46] <dustman> sickness: got me... I happened to buy a mobo from exactly that company :(
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[11:39:46] <tomww> hm. anyone tested these drivers with the boards? http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/
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[11:43:10] <c00p> can anyone recomend a serial console app to use with solaris ?
[11:43:16] <c00p> minicom, kermit ?
[11:44:40] <CosmicDJ> cu
[11:44:47] <CosmicDJ> cu(1C)
[11:45:15] <c00p> ta
[11:45:24] <tomww> tip
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[11:45:56] <tomww> e.g. tip -9600 /dev/ttya
[11:46:12] <sickness> tomww: uh, didn't know about that =) will test as soon as possible (I'm at work now, I have the L1 at home)
[11:47:04] <c00p> ta tomww :)
[11:47:12] <sickness> :)
[11:47:23] <tomww> sickness: I hacked the SFEnicdrv.spec to contain the driver but it's the first time with such driver so let's see if that works
[11:47:33] <sickness> k
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[11:54:12] <tomww> cool, SFEnicdrv.spec passed. download-url via /msg if interested
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[12:05:01] <jollyd> arghh ... CSWtetex depends on SUNWmfrun :/ does anybody know where i can find this package without having to dl an SXCEiso ? (current bandwith ~ 8ko/s) :/
[12:07:18] <seanmcg> SUNWmfrun is the motif runtime bits, they're not redistributable.  So unless you've an SXCE media about you may have to download :(
[12:07:44] <seanmcg> though isn't tetex command line based ?  Whats in it that needs motif ?
[12:08:14] <jollyd> but i can't dl... so seems that i'm stuck and unable to work :/
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[12:10:17] <jollyd> seanmcg: i don't know :/ i tried to build tetex from pkgsrc but imake is required and so does texlive (imake doesn't exist in 2008.5) , broken dependency with SUNWmfrun seems like i'm cursed
[12:10:19] <CosmicDJ> jollyd: just (force) install it; IIRC you only need motif for the dvi viewer
[12:10:40] <jollyd> CosmicDJ: thanks for the hint !
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[13:14:25] <w1dget> When blastware installs an application were does it go, i've searched for the application i installed and it's nowhere to be found
[13:14:37] <seanmcg> check /opt/*
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[13:18:08] <w1dget> safe. found it.. ran a search before and it found nothing.. rather odd.
[13:20:18] <w1dget> no, xchat isn't working i click connect and it just dies
[13:21:07] <CosmicDJ> run it from inside a terminal and look for error messages
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[13:24:02] <w1dget> failed to open "/opt/csw/var/lib/dbus/machine-id" no such file or directory
[13:24:32] <w1dget> dbus libuary appears to be incorrectly set up
[13:25:02] <SunTzuTech> did you use pkg-get to install xchat?
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[13:25:21] <w1dget> SunTzuTech yes
[13:26:03] <CosmicDJ> and did you enable it?
[13:26:10] <tomww> w1dget: you are using xchat with a local X-Display? If you use it remotely, look if is goes away when used locally. (just an idea)
[13:26:39] <w1dget> one big pain in the ass installing xchat
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[13:28:55] <Berny> w1dget, copy the machineid from /var/lib/dbus/machine-id or use dbus-uuidgen >/opt/csw/var/lib/dbus/machine-id to create one
[13:29:09] <Berny> and report that as bug to the blastwave folks
[13:31:51] <CosmicDJ> w1dget: svcs \*dbus\*  ?
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[14:06:25] <not-me-guv> Ash-Fox spamming every busy channel with that url
[14:07:04] <Ash-Fox> not-me-guv, busy indeed.
[14:07:35] <Gekz> whut
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[14:57:06] <edgy> Hi, I just launched snoop on my global zone like this #snoop, and from my non-global zone I ftp global-zone and put false usernames and passwords but there is no ouput related, how can I capture those attempts?
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[15:08:34] <CosmicDJ> edgy: is there traffic at all from zone<->global?
[15:08:59] <edgy> CosmicDJ: yes, it grabs some broadcast messages
[15:09:13] <edgy> CosmicDJ: ping also shows the hosts are alive
[15:09:29] <CosmicDJ> and you see the pings in snoop?
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[15:11:57] <seanmcg> if the traffic is going over loopback snoop won't work, yet
[15:12:48] <kjetilho> hey guys, is it possible to choose the ethernet MAC address yourself in the packets you send?  for source address, I expect only to be allowed to use addresses added with SIOCADDMULTI
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[15:22:27] <edgy> CosmicDJ: no
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[15:22:44] <creynolds3244> hello
[15:23:17] <creynolds3244> I was wondering if anyone here knows where to find the majority concensus algorithm (SVM metadb)?
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[15:23:20] <edgy> seanmcg: I now did snoop -V -d rtls0 and the broadcast traffic is still there so it's not over loopback
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[15:24:48] <seanmcg> aye, edgy, but you're doing from global-zone to/from local-zone, so (I thinks) unless they've got seperate IP stacks the kernal may choose the quick path via loopback instead of going over the wire
[15:24:54] <edgy> CosmicDJ, seanmcg: the traffic is something like ETHER Type=86DD, UDP D=547, DHCPv6 Solocit
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[15:26:24] <CosmicDJ> creynolds3244: no idea what that is, but you can find SVM's src code on http://src.opensolaris.org/
[15:26:43] <CosmicDJ> edgy: and you think that's from your zone?
[15:27:31] <creynolds3244> yeah, I checked there but couldn't find it
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[15:28:10] <edgy> CosmicDJ: yes because I can see the ip's of my global and local zone
[15:28:13] <creynolds3244> it's the algorithm that states at least 50% + 1 metadatabases must be present before the system boots
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[15:31:34] <edgy> seanmcg: this is a good point though I thought if I pinged 192.168.1.200 it should use rtls0 and when I ping 127.0.0.1 it should use lo but it seems I am wrong
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[15:49:47] <digifor> I need to translate my Linux wvdial.conf to OpenSolaris ppp! http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1222722
[15:55:12] <codestr0m> I compiled readline 5.2 and with char rl_callback_handler_install (); int main ()  {return rl_callback_handler_install ();; return 0; } I'm getting a Segmentation fault (core dumped).. is this to be expected or should I try to debug with dbx?
[15:56:40] <codestr0m> I just checked and it's only 32bit version so I guess this is a problem
[15:59:18] <seanmcg> edgy, when you png 127.0.0.1 you see it over the rtls0 ?
[15:59:39] <seanmcg> .. and one can't snoop lo0 (yet, me thinks)
[16:01:20] <edgy> seanmcg: no I cannot see the ping on snoop
[16:01:51] <seanmcg> cause you can't snoop loopback...
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[16:07:27] <edgy> seanmcg: I am confused again now because I found this output in snoop listening on my global zone (192.168.1.200). " 192.168.1.201 -> (broadcast) ARP C Who is 192.168.1.201, 192.168.1.201 ?"
[16:09:00] <seanmcg> you snoop the rtls0 nic then, and its a broadcast packet.  is  192.168.1.201 in the hosts file ?
[16:10:35] <edgy> seanmcg: no
[16:10:48] <codestr0m> anyone got a minute to help me try to debug this http://rafb.net/p/jNLC0f11.html
[16:11:29] <codestr0m> I'm not sure how to get a stack in dbx yet
[16:11:58] <codestr0m> this just doen't make sense to me strlen(0xffffffffffffffff, 0x1, 0xfffffd7fffdff2b8, 0x0, 0xfffffffffffffff9, 0x0), at 0xfffffd7fff0594a0
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[16:20:07] <edgy> seanmcg: there is no reference I  can find to 192.168.1.201 in my global zone files
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[16:24:23] <robson> Hi all
[16:24:24] <kjetilho> codestr0m: your char function returns an undefined value, in this case -1
[16:24:44] <robson> I'm trying to find out why the "sched" process consumes all my io bandwidth
[16:24:45] <kjetilho> when strlen tries to check the length of that "pointer", you get a segmentation fault.
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[16:25:40] <robson> I have the output of iotop
[16:25:46] <robson> Does anyone want to take a look?
[16:25:58] <codestr0m> kjetilho: this is an autocrap test for readline (works with -m32, but not -m64) I see there's some patches for readline upstream, but not sure if 5.2 is current or needs those applied on top..
[16:26:29] <throwt> has anybody here netbooted solaris dom-u client from a solaris dom-0 ?
[16:26:52] <codestr0m> (by the dates I'm guessing I need to patch it)
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[16:27:37] <kjetilho> codestr0m: crap in, crap out
[16:27:37] <throwt> I think I might nix sxce and install the new sol10 update so i dont have broken nfs diskless tools ... i guess i should see if it's still broken in this snapshot
[16:28:17] <codestr0m> kjetilho: autoconf is what I meant, but this test program isn't the problem. I'm trying to figure out where it is in readline
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[16:41:25] <robson> Nobody wants a little dtrace challenge here?
[16:41:50] <seanmcg> robson, theres #dtrace
[16:42:02] <robson> Ok, thanks
[16:42:12] <robson> Any idea why the sched process is doing a lot of io?
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[16:48:49] <throwt> how are you counting the i/o?
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[17:45:46] <ondre> I need a media player for my sunray server
[17:45:57] <ondre> SunOS rtxtsray01 5.10 Generic_127111-10 sun4v sparc SUNW,SPARC-Enterprise-T5120
[17:46:00] <ondre> any suggestions?
[17:47:02] <oxygene> ondre: mplayer, vlc, ogle, xanim, that java media thingy delivered with solaris - depends on your needs (esp. in terms of codecs)
[17:47:22] <seanmcg> realplay
[17:47:25] <seanmcg> er
[17:47:57] <ondre> FUCK realplay
[17:48:11] * sstallion_work blinks.
[17:48:18] <ondre> I was looking for a particular recomendation: vlc, or mplayer is what I use on linux
[17:49:07] <seanmcg> oholiks, I didn't see the list of suggestions you wanted to hear or the list you didn't want to hear about :)
[17:49:25] <seanmcg> s/oholiks/ondre/
[17:49:32] <sstallion_work> what a great way to use a sun4v... watching porn on a sunray client. heh.
[17:49:39] <digifor> svadm: Pattern 'rarp' doesn't match any instances???
[17:49:50] <ondre> :)
[17:50:10] <ondre> this is for work, unforunately I'm not in the smut business
[17:50:44] <sstallion_work> if I had a ray attached to a nice niagra machine, the last thing I'd complain about is not having a media player.
[17:52:00] <e^ipi> ondre: they pay their tech infrastructure people pretty well i hear though
[17:52:22] <e^ipi> also, the only job where you're /supposed/ to surf porn
[17:52:22] <digifor> ondre http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/top_5_unsuccessful_searches_on
[17:52:45] <sstallion_work> mc....
[17:52:50] <sstallion_work> people still use that POS ?
[17:52:52] <ondre> kthx digifor
[17:52:57] <e^ipi> evidently
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[17:53:18] <ondre> e^ipi: a friend of mine is in porn advertising, makes descent money
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[18:12:32] <perlmongo> ondre:     http://www.lifewithsolaris.jp/
[18:13:23] <ondre> so how to uncompress a .tar.bz2 file with one command?
[18:13:24] <ondre> bash-3.00# bunzip2 vlc-0.9.4.tar.bz2 |tar xvf -
[18:13:27] <ondre> did not work
[18:13:42] <ondre> huh?
[18:13:45] <stevel> ondre: bzcat vlc-0.9.4.tar.bz2 | tar xvf -
[18:13:56] <stevel> or use gtar xjvf blc-0.9.4.tar.bz2
[18:14:06] <stevel> or what timsf was saying: bunzip2 -c vlc-0.9.4.tar.bz2 | tar xvf -
[18:14:07] <timsf> bunzip2 -c <foo>.bz2 | tar xvf -
[18:14:12] <seanmcg> bzip -dc <foo>.bz2 | tar
[18:14:15] <timsf> poTAYtoes
[18:14:22] <seanmcg> tomatoes
[18:14:24] <ondre> o ya gtar :)
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[18:14:26] <ondre> thanks everyone
[18:14:34] <ondre> this # is nice in the clutch
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[18:15:14] <trochej> Remind me: legacy run services are started/stopped via /etc/init.d or svcadm?
[18:15:18] <ondre> thanks perlmongo nice site
[18:15:21] <stevel> trochej: svcadm
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[18:16:23] <perlmongo> ondre: yes, very nice
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[18:18:27] <trochej> stevel: Thnx
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[18:22:08] <ondre> pkg-adm
[18:22:11] <ondre> is...?
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[18:23:39] <trochej> ondre: ?
[18:23:50] <trochej> is what?
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[18:28:22] <ondre> ok diff pkg-get pkg-adm
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[18:36:13] <CosmicDJ> ondre: diff: pkg-adm: No such file or directory ;)
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[18:43:03] <ondre> CosmicDJ: I was looking for a human response on the difference of pkg-admin and pkg-get
[18:43:07] <ondre> but since pkg-admin is not working...
[18:43:26] <ondre> well, it "works" but does nothing when I try to install
[18:43:49] <CosmicDJ> pkg-admin? never heard of that...
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[18:45:10] <holcomb> hmm... http://blogs.sun.com/solariscampus/entry/what_s_new_in_solaris
[18:45:18] <holcomb> don't suppose there'll be a non-second life version of this?
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[18:46:34] <e^ipi> holcomb: now why would mktg do something like have a meeting in a non-idiotic format?
[18:46:40] <e^ipi> don't be ridiculous
[18:47:35] <ahe> i'm running snv_98 on a machine with 4 gb of ram and according to gnome the ram is filled up completeley ("used by programs") at the end of my work day and memory usage doesn't get significantly lower no matter how many programs i quit
[18:47:49] <ahe> is this normal behaviour or a memory leak?
[18:48:38] <trochej> ahe: ZFS root?
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[18:48:57] <ahe> yes
[18:49:03] <CosmicDJ> ahe: as long as solaris isn't swapping (heavily), I don't see a problem...
[18:49:16] <trochej> ahe: That may be a reason for a big part of memory usage
[18:49:20] <trochej> ZFS is very memory hungry
[18:49:22] <ahe> it doesn't swap at all (at least gnome says so)
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[18:49:48] <e^ipi> ahe: so what's the problem?
[18:49:49] <CosmicDJ> ahe: so everything is fine, solaris is utilizing the ressources it has :)
[18:49:54] <e^ipi> empty ram is wasted ram
[18:49:58] <trochej> Yup
[18:50:46] <ahe> the gnome applet says it uses all memory for programs and nothing at all for caching
[18:51:18] <e^ipi> i suspect it probably doesn't understand solaris correctly
[18:51:26] <CosmicDJ> ahe: you can use swapinfo.d from the DTraceToolkit to see where your mem really is used
[18:51:54] <TomJ> I like that the latest mdb now shows "ZFS File Usage" as a separte line item
[18:52:04] <trochej> ahe: Gnome probably can't differentiate between caching and apps memory usage
[18:52:51] <ahe> thx, i'll try that when i'm in front of the machine again
[18:52:56] <trochej> ahe: I have also read that Solaris won't release allocated memory even after apps release it. It keeps it handy to givout to new apps, since it's less costly then allocating it anew.
[18:53:09] <ahe> unfortunately i can't use irc at work due to the firewall
[18:53:20] <e^ipi> mibbit.com?
[18:53:55] <Aria> Any known issues with xVM Server on IPS98?
[18:53:58] <CosmicDJ> ssh + screen + irssi? :)
[18:54:01] <Aria> I can't seem to find brctl
[18:54:40] <e^ipi> Aria: i think you're supposed to use vir* now
[18:54:49] <tomww> CosmicDJ: I *love* that combination!
[18:54:51] <TomJ> or even ssh tunnel + whatever-local-IRC-client-you-want
[18:55:07] <TomJ> ssh -L 6660:irc.freenode.net:6667 my.home.server.net
[18:55:13] <Aria> e^ipi: vir* what?
[18:55:51] <tomww> ahe: look for a web/https gateway to irc...
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[18:56:45] <e^ipi> Aria: virt-install, virt-console, virt-manager, virsh
[18:56:50] <e^ipi> and some others
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[18:59:34] <Aria> Hm.
[18:59:46] <Aria> I've been using those, but xend's startup script requires brctl.
[19:00:14] <Aria> (and so virsh can't connect to the hypervisor)
[19:00:15] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[19:00:21] * Aria nods. Alright then.
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[19:00:33] <e^ipi> my xen knowledge is pretty limited
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[19:03:38] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: what options do you use with PPPoE to handle auto-redialling/timeouts?   I'm doing the man and I see 'persist' but not much else, e.g. I dont immediatley see a way to get it to send keep alives so it can detect when the line goes down  - which I had enabled in FreeBSD ppp to great effect, without those it often did not notice a dead line, and Solaris seems to be the same by default
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[19:08:38] <TomJ> also I see that sppp0 defaults to 1492 MTU, but I've heard lots of talk that ADSL lines should use 1458 (or 1478, 1468, or 1430 I'm also reading)  - do you change your MTU from the default?
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[19:11:26] <codestr0m> e^ipi: if you got a spare minute and feeling patient.. can you give me some tips on how to debug using dbx or help me with this readline segfault
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[19:12:21] <e^ipi> why aren't you using mdb?
[19:13:13] <codestr0m> e^ipi: I thought dbx was for userland and mdb for kernel modules (I'll take a look at mdb)
[19:13:24] <e^ipi> kmdb is for kernel
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[19:13:50] <CosmicDJ> TomJ: no idea, sry, I only had pppoe on solaris for a short time, I used one of the consumer pppoe-"routers" then
[19:14:05] <TomJ> ok thanks
[19:14:20] <codestr0m> ok. I'll take a look. either way I think it may be over my head since it's something 64bit specific.. -m32 doesn't crash my test case, but -m64 gives a core
[19:15:04] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: is your code clean? -xcheck=%all -errtags=yes ?
[19:15:26] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: this is readline 5.2 with all current patches
[19:15:31] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: maybe even lint -> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-5138/convert?a=view
[19:15:57] <e^ipi> readline is a library.
[19:16:10] <e^ipi> it doesn't stand alone.
[19:16:26] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: ok. I'll read there..  here's my test case "char rl_callback_handler_install (); int main ()  {return rl_callback_handler_install ();; return 0; }"
[19:16:40] <codestr0m> e^ipi: ^
[19:16:55] <h3sp4wn> codestr0m: Is everything compiled fPIC ?
[19:17:33] <codestr0m> h3sp4wn: you mean -Kpic ?
[19:17:43] <codestr0m> It's in my cflags
[19:18:04] <codestr0m> this is with sun cc
[19:18:11] <codestr0m> both SSE and SS12
[19:19:03] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: your testcase looks strange; according to the docs, rl_callback_handler_install() is a void function
[19:19:48] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: this was taken directly from what autoconf was trying to do.. (which doesn't surprise me)
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[19:26:05] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: here is your 2 second primer on mdb and cores:
[19:26:09] <sstallion_work> % mdb core
[19:26:14] <sstallion_work> > $c
[19:26:16] <sstallion_work> have fun
[19:26:29] <codestr0m> sstallion_work: thanks
[19:27:20] <sstallion_work> you can also use dbx which will likely be a little friendlier for you
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[19:27:59] <codestr0m> sstallion_work: dbx just feels strange/different from gdb.. I'll look at the manuals
[19:28:29] <sstallion_work> dbx is much easier to use IMHO
[19:28:44] <sstallion_work> I've always found gdb to be a bit obtuse
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[19:32:27] <CosmicDJ> so a braindead autoconf generated test fails and you're firing a couple of debuggers?
[19:34:25] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: that test code you just posted is completely incorrect... what the hell are you trying to do ?
[19:35:06] <sstallion_work> chances are you have a conflicting return ... instead of doing what is correct and including the canonical function definition, you make up your own... thats... stupid.
[19:35:23] <codestr0m> sstallion_work: it was a copy/paste from autoconf.. autoconf was testing for readline support.. (failed) and was screwing up install.. so I started looking into it
[19:35:25] <sstallion_work> s/definition/declaration/
[19:35:45] <SunTzuTech> autoconf doesn't handle 64-bit stuff very well.
[19:36:05] <codestr0m> SunTzuTech: I fully agree.. considering this test case works with 32bit
[19:36:29] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: start with the source of that particular function. verify the test case.
[19:36:50] <SunTzuTech> steleman had to write some autofoo to make autoconf use the right lib dirs for a lot of the stuff in Dude
[19:36:58] <sstallion_work> also check the core... juse use pstack
[19:37:08] <codestr0m> sstallion_work: well. if it's wrong. it's wrong.. I looked at the readline source
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[19:52:17] <h3sp4wn> codestr0m: Is this on your only 64bit indiana thing ?
[19:52:51] <h3sp4wn> s/only/own
[19:54:55] <codestr0m> h3sp4wn: yeah. I can't duplicate it under 32bit
[19:55:05] <codestr0m> there it doesn't give core, but the code is wrong
[19:55:15] <codestr0m> autoconf's test is simply broken
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[20:00:29] <h3sp4wn> codestr0m: And you have made a config.site or whatever to specify it ? I think that is what you are supposed to do - pretty likely alot of solaris tests would fail for you
[20:01:23] <codestr0m> h3sp4wn: I'm looking at the original test code again now.. (config.log)
[20:01:29] <the_unmaker> what happens when I have ^g ram on a 32 bit os?
[20:01:30] <codestr0m> I'll resolve as best I can.. thanks
[20:01:32] <the_unmaker> 6g
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[20:02:31] <codestr0m> the_unmaker: you mean can solaris map it the same as if you had that (I forget the kernel option) turned on in linux?
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[20:07:34] <the_unmaker> no i just heard that 64 bit works etter with over4G of ram compared to 32bit
[20:07:45] <the_unmaker> so what happens when i run a 32 bit os and have liek 6G ram?
[20:07:50] <the_unmaker> better-
[20:07:59] <the_unmaker> is 64 bit going to be really fast?
[20:10:30] <codestr0m> the_unmaker: I have no idea what you're really asking.. I had an *old* dell 1750 with more than 4G of ram and 32bit procs, but with a kernel recompile I was able to use all the ram.. that's been some time and can't relate to something similar in solaris
[20:11:14] <CosmicDJ> the_unmaker: you can use pae to use more than 4g ram on 32bit cpus
[20:12:07] <CosmicDJ> the_unmaker: anyway, 64bit doesn't mean it's fast, in fact, most 64bit apps are slower cause they cause more memory pressure (64bit long/pointers is bigger than just 32bit)
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[20:12:50] <the_unmaker> what is pae?
[20:13:08] <CosmicDJ> s/is/are/
[20:13:25] <ZOP> the_unmaker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
[20:14:21] <ZOP> w/ 32 bit CPUs you're still limited to 4gb process space.
[20:14:42] <ZOP> meaning 2 or 3gb memory is all you can use in a single process context.
[20:14:46] <the_unmaker> so what happens when I have 6G ram
[20:14:58] <the_unmaker> does the mmap thing emntioned take care fo it so its utilized?
[20:15:04] <the_unmaker> mentioned-
[20:15:12] <CosmicDJ> what happens when you have 3 things to carry and just 2 arms? ;)
[20:15:14] <ZOP> w/ PAE the system pages in and out the extra memory.
[20:15:20] <the_unmaker> drop one
[20:15:38] <CosmicDJ> that also happens with any bit above the 32bit limit
[20:15:45] <the_unmaker> but for me a linux user will a 6G ram box be faster than 4? or will it be wasted unless i goto 64bit?
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[20:16:01] <the_unmaker> like in high lvel view
[20:16:17] <ZOP> depends on what you're doing
[20:16:33] <ZOP> but if you're asking the question at all, then no, it probably wont' be any faster having 6G vs 4G
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[20:17:22] <ZOP> having more memory might help performance because even if your apps aren't using it, it will get used as disk cache.
[20:17:43] <the_unmaker> ah
[20:17:58] <CosmicDJ> if your 32bit kernel supports pae AFAIK
[20:18:02] <the_unmaker> so a process is a program and the max it can use is 4G ram
[20:18:06] <the_unmaker> under 32bit
[20:18:20] <oxygene> 2/3/3.5gb usually, because of userspace/kernelspace split
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[20:18:28] <ZOP> CosmicDJ: a lot of 64bit apps are faster on x86 because w/o the x86_64 extended registers, you're still limited to the ridiculously low number of registers in the x86 arch.
[20:18:30] <oxygene> the kernel needs some static location to stay in
[20:18:44] <the_unmaker> ah
[20:18:58] <the_unmaker> whats a register again?
[20:18:59] <oxygene> ZOP: otoh, x86 is rather good at shadowing stuff like that in microarchitecture registers
[20:19:06] <oxygene> the_unmaker: in-cpu memory cell
[20:19:15] <the_unmaker> ah
[20:19:24] <turtle> it's a magazine or something
[20:19:36] <CosmicDJ> from the uk ;)
[20:19:38] <the_unmaker> ok so 32 bit very up to date linux kernels will have pae and be ok up to 64G ram
[20:19:45] <the_unmaker> lol
[20:20:02] <the_unmaker> I'm reading a book by felix dennis on howto get rich and he mentions it.
[20:20:13] <the_unmaker> wow
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[20:20:16] <ZOP> oxygene: yeah but it's just guessing.  if the app is register starved having control/access to the ..like 10 or is it 12 more registers you get can still make a difference heh.
[20:20:17] <the_unmaker> architecture amdness
[20:20:34] <the_unmaker> ok
[20:20:39] <the_unmaker> so basically 64 bit is better
[20:20:49] <the_unmaker> if you have a ncie machine
[20:20:51] <the_unmaker> nice
[20:21:01] <ZOP> yeah 64bit thoguh will need more memory
[20:21:05] <ZOP> because of the longer pointers
[20:21:13] <ZOP> a good example is my mail server cluster at work heh.
[20:21:18] <ZOP> we've got some 32 bit machines
[20:21:21] <ZOP> and some 64 bit machines
[20:21:26] <the_unmaker> ok
[20:21:26] <the_unmaker> ..
[20:21:30] <ZOP> the 64 bit ones definitely need/use more memory.
[20:21:36] <the_unmaker> !
[20:21:39] <ZOP> the 32bit ones are fine with 4GB RAM
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[20:21:59] <the_unmaker> hm
[20:22:00] <ZOP> but the 64 bit machines need 8GB RAM or they tend to swap under load.
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[20:22:12] <the_unmaker> thats weird
[20:22:16] <the_unmaker> so is it a gain?
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[20:22:25] <the_unmaker> do 64 bit ones do much more work?
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[20:22:45] <the_unmaker> wow
[20:22:48] <the_unmaker> now Im unsure
[20:22:56] <ZOP> eh it's hard to say for that application because the 32bit systems are so many generations older.  the 64 bit machines are bigger quad core systems, so they're jsut flat out faster no matter what.
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[20:23:26] <Samy> ZOP, huh?
[20:23:26] <ZOP> now for our database servers
[20:23:37] <ZOP> 64 bit is a definite win because of the large memory space for each process
[20:24:03] <the_unmaker> so for a small machine
[20:24:12] <the_unmaker> with 1G ram and 1cpu
[20:24:16] <the_unmaker> 32bit si betteer
[20:24:31] <the_unmaker> btu big db machine 4 bit
[20:24:35] <the_unmaker> 64bit
[20:24:46] <ZOP> Samy: for our mail servers i don't have any apples to apples comparisons...our older mail servers are dual processor hyperthreaded machines.  our newer ones are dual core and quad core machines running in 64bit mode heh.  they definitely need/use more memory to have the same number of processes running.
[20:26:10] <CosmicDJ> the_unmaker: IMHO it's better to benchmark than to rely on assumptions...
[20:26:27] <ZOP> the_unmaker: yeah. in general.  overall our experience has been same hardware, 64 bit is faster, but needs more memory.
[20:26:40] <CosmicDJ> the_unmaker: you can have a 64bit kernel and 32/64bit apps
[20:26:51] <CosmicDJ> at least w/ solaris
[20:27:02] <ZOP> yeah you can do that with Linux too
[20:27:08] <ZOP> most dists have a 32bit compat layer
[20:27:48] <the_unmaker> ok
[20:27:56] <ZOP> in solaris the majority of your 'simple' apps are just compiled/run 32bit (ls, cp, many others) -- cp doesn't need access to 8gb of ram, and isn't going to benefit, so they just leave it 32bit in solaris.
[20:28:00] <the_unmaker> how about same amd64 hardware and same memory
[20:28:09] <the_unmaker> 64 or 32 for servers?
[20:28:19] <ZOP> $ file `which cp`
[20:28:19] <ZOP> /usr/bin/cp:    ELF 32-bit LSB executable 80386 Version 1, dynamically linked, stripped
[20:28:21] <the_unmaker> hmmm
[20:28:32] <CosmicDJ> servers is nowadays 8gb+ IMHO
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[20:29:04] <the_unmaker> funny how bill gates was quoted as saying that 640k of ram is most anyone will need for a computer
[20:30:47] <CosmicDJ> the_unmaker: anyway, if your server runs solaris, it will start automagically in 64bit mode; if it's not running solaris, well then you're in the wrong chatroom ;)
[20:31:09] <ZOP> CosmicDJ: amen to that :D
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[20:32:53] <ZOP> in solaris for apps shipped with the os or built by sun, basically, things are 64 bit if it makes sense for them to be.
[20:33:45] <ZOP> i don't have much experience with other distros of linux but debian and ubuntu atleast, when you're 64 bit, eeeeverything by default is 64 bit.  which isn't necessarily as fast (as we have discussed)
[20:34:04] <ZOP> the only way you can know for sure is to try/benchmark your hardware and your app heh
[20:34:31] <ZOP> mostly though, 64 bit is faster, but it's largely meaningless/useless if you've got a small system configuration.
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[20:35:09] <w1dget> what can i use to burn iso's ?
[20:35:22] <tsoome> fire
[20:35:55] <w1dget> funny guy.
[20:36:16] <ZOP> strong hands 3.3!
[20:36:23] <ZOP> the pits are really small D:
[20:37:29] <ZOP> w1dget: more seriously though, cdrecord
[20:37:44] <w1dget> alright thanks.
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[20:38:16] <ZOP> w1dget: i'm sure there are other ways but thats just what i use.
[20:40:10] <w1dget> what about cdrw ?
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[20:42:19] <seanmcg> cdrw, cdrecord
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[20:43:26] <h3sp4wn> cdrecord for me won't work at all with SXCE b99 (0 issues with it ever before that)
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[20:53:19] <ZOP> h3sp4wn: ew :(
[20:53:56] <h3sp4wn> ZOP: three different burners
[20:54:28] <ZOP> could be an RBAC issue on the device maybe?
[20:59:29] <CIA-25> Tony Nguyen <Ton.Nguyen at Sun dot COM>: 6754636 [txzonemgr] txzonemgr does not list snapshots
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[21:04:18] <plavcik> hi installed SXCE 99, I have two network cards, after first boot, there is no hostname set, both network cards are working fine, could I set it manually?
[21:04:38] <e^ipi> yes.
[21:04:47] <plavcik> great, where please?
[21:04:52] <e^ipi> /topic
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[21:05:37] <tijo007> plavcik: echo local.host > /etc/hostname.<iface> ?
[21:06:21] <tsoome> hostname is in /etc/nodename :)
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[21:07:10] <plavcik> thx /etc/nodename for name , /etc/hostname.<iface> for network setting I expect
[21:07:26] <ZOP> plavcik: yup.
[21:07:53] <plavcik> nice that BSDs have so close to each other
[21:09:21] <e^ipi> solaris is systemV
[21:09:35] <seanmcg> with bits of BSD about..
[21:09:55] <e^ipi> fine, SysVR4
[21:10:07] <seanmcg> :)
[21:11:42] <plavcik> ok, I have to look at my DHCP server setting on other machine, from man page for nodename I see, that the name shall come from DHCP server, it's probably related to two network cards or my DHCP server settings
[21:11:46] <Aria> e^ipi, For future reference, the bridge thing was a red herring; I did need to enable virtd, however, unlike snv_95
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[21:13:08] <tsoome> in perfect world, the hostname will come from dhcp server, but in many setups, it just wont provide it;)
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[21:16:03] <plavcik> i see, anyway may be it's time to improve my dhcp server settings after years of not touching ot;)
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[21:24:04] <e^ipi> anyone happen to know if brand lx supports amd64 ?
[21:24:21] <h3sp4wn> it does not
[21:25:02] <h3sp4wn> (and what has been started seems in a very early stage)
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[21:25:39] <e^ipi> okiedokie
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[21:28:07] <mshadle> would you guys go with tyan or supermicro for a home storage server board?
[21:28:27] <e^ipi> mshadle: once again, it doesn't matter who puts the board together
[21:28:33] <mshadle> heh
[21:28:40] <e^ipi> " would you guys go with a Dell or an HP for a home storage server "
[21:28:41] <mshadle> well they have some different components
[21:28:50] <e^ipi> so take a look at the components
[21:28:52] <mshadle> and it seems opensolaris can be quite picky
[21:28:54] <h3sp4wn> Well there are some people that make junk boards
[21:29:55] <mshadle> i'm looking at a supermicro PDSME+ vs. TYAN S5211G2NR
[21:30:18] <evocallaghan1> Morning
[21:30:37] <evocallaghan1> I don't like how supermicro put fans on there chipsets
[21:30:48] <h3sp4wn> mshadle: Look at the specs of a sun built box of similar power and then go for either tyan or supermicro with the same chipset
[21:31:14] <e^ipi> for some reason folding@home is a sticking point for this guy i know that wants to migrate to solaris, and the SMP client is 64 bit only for some reason
[21:32:43] <evocallaghan1> e^ipi:My PS3 kicks al your asses at that !
[21:32:51] <evocallaghan1> s/al/all/
[21:33:05] <mib_nrrxt1> uh
[21:33:19] <e^ipi> evocallaghan1: *shrug* I don't really give a crap, i think it's a waste of time and energy
[21:33:40] <e^ipi> but one of the people in my class has a whole house full of machines running it
[21:35:23] <jbk> did you tell im the 90's called and wants their project back? :)
[21:36:38] <evocallaghan1> e^ipi:hahaha, and one Nvid GPU will kick all its asses and save heaps of power ! http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats
[21:36:45] <e^ipi> i dunno, he's one of those guys that isn't actually any good at anything, so he resorts to nerd dick measuring like "my computer is faster than yours"
[21:37:03] <evocallaghan1> lol !
[21:38:23] <oxygene> e^ipi: solaris should be a great differentiator, then
[21:38:40] <e^ipi> oxygene: no solaris client for it
[21:39:20] <codestr0m> e^ipi: about your brand lx + 64bit question. I was looking at a gate the other day which was supposed to add the support, but I think it had been a while since there was a commit and didn't have a chance to confirm it had merged or was usable
[21:39:47] <jbk> yay.. i finally have a ss12 tarball that will build ON
[21:39:52] <e^ipi> yay!
[21:39:55] <jbk> (watch as they change the patches required tomorrow)
[21:40:09] <codestr0m> jbk: you're behind the firewall I thought?
[21:40:16] <jbk> i've never worked for sun
[21:40:18] <jbk> so no
[21:40:30] <jbk> i resorted to creating a solaris10 vm w/ virtualbox
[21:40:33] <jbk> installing ss12
[21:40:36] <jbk> and applying the patches
[21:40:37] <codestr0m> oh. what was wrong with regular SS12 + patches?
[21:40:43] <jbk> then taring it up
[21:40:50] <jbk> patchadd doesn't seem to want to work w/ zfs root
[21:40:57] <codestr0m> jbk: yes it does
[21:40:58] <jbk> says not enough space
[21:41:01] <codestr0m> I did it and blogged about it
[21:41:16] <jbk> it never worked on a zfs root sxce install nor an opensolaris install
[21:41:19] <codestr0m> there's a bug report and a patch attached to fix that exact issue
[21:41:26] <jbk> both times saying insufficient space
[21:41:30] <codestr0m> jbk: bullshit sartek and I both have done it
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[21:42:06] <e^ipi> don't be an ass codestr0m.
[21:42:06] <codestr0m> jbk: http://www.codestrom.com/wandering/2008/10/patchadd-fix-ho.html
[21:42:12] <jbk> well no offense, but you could find hoffa easier than finding a bug report for *solaris
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[21:42:19] <jbk> and
[21:42:29] <jbk> you assume the whole world reads your blog
[21:42:37] <jbk> up until you pasted the url, i've never heard of it
[21:42:41] <jbk> so that really does a lot of good
[21:42:49] <codestr0m> jbk: I totally concur.. I looked at the bug report no less than 5 times sartek pointed out the patch.. it's indexed by google..
[21:43:38] <codestr0m> anyway.. my blood sugar level is off. sorry if I'm a bit edgy
[21:45:33] <mshadle> would zfs/cifs benefit from quad core or would dual be enoug
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[21:46:12] <e^ipi> mshadle: i doubt that you'll need 4 cores for ZFS
[21:46:30] <mshadle> yeh. okay.
[21:46:39] <e^ipi> the bottleneck will be the disks
[21:46:48] <e^ipi> CPU will probably spend most of it's time idle
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[21:47:21] <bda> (compression, checksums; but mostly: yes)
[21:47:37] <e^ipi> /most/
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[21:50:31] <mshadle> FSB or L2 cache a big factor either?
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[21:51:43] <e^ipi> probably not
[21:52:26] <e^ipi> if you want speed, buy as much ram as you can afford, and throw an SSD in to the mix for L2ARC and ZIL
[21:52:43] <e^ipi> and throw as many platters on the pile as you have space for
[21:52:49] <e^ipi> CPU is almost entirely irrelevant
[21:54:28] <mib_nrrxt1> I have a dual quad 8G ram hp dl140 for a mysql app
[21:55:05] <mib_nrrxt1> the drives wont hardware mirror because the controller was removed when we upgraded the drives
[21:55:22] <mib_nrrxt1> I think software raid would be bad to run under mysql eh?
[21:55:25] <mib_nrrxt1> or would it be ok?
[21:56:04] <e^ipi> depends which software raid i guess
[21:56:29] <e^ipi> also, only 2 platters?
[21:56:36] <mib_nrrxt1> 2 disks
[21:56:42] <mib_nrrxt1> 2 1Terabyte sata
[21:56:45] <mib_nrrxt1> disks
[21:56:56] <mib_nrrxt1> damn thing only has 1 power supply too
[21:57:01] <mib_nrrxt1> fakk
[21:57:45] <e^ipi> sounds like a real ghetto piece of crap
[21:57:52] <mshadle> hah
[21:57:52] <e^ipi> do whatever, it's probably not going to matter
[21:58:42] <mshadle> need to pick up those pci-x controllers
[21:59:27] <e^ipi> mshadle: does the board have pcix on it?
[21:59:29] <mshadle> after talking im going with a mobo with 2 pci-x slots and just getting 2 AOC-SAT2-MV8
[21:59:32] <mshadle> yeah
[21:59:38] <mshadle> http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon3000/3010/PDSME+.cfm
[21:59:47] <mshadle> actually has 4, technically :p
[22:00:12] <mshadle> but it's listed on the HCL as reported to work and seems to be reliable
[22:02:59] <mshadle> total build so far: http://mikehost.com/~mike/tmp/sol.html
[22:04:19] * e^ipi wonders if he could care less
[22:04:42] <e^ipi> ;)
[22:05:12] * mshadle thinks someone shit in e^ipi's cornflakes
[22:05:44] <SYS64738> what's the right way to make a xvm  guest to start automatically with the host ?
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[22:13:37] <e^ipi> 'afternoon Gman_
[22:14:34] <Gman_> hey hey
[22:16:39] <jbk> hey gman
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[22:22:39] <tomww> Gman_: hey (:
[22:22:46] <Gman_> hiya
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[22:27:38] <sstallion_work> afternoon all
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[23:04:30] <e^ipi> i think i want to learn more about electronics
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[23:04:45] <e^ipi> my electronics knowledge is woefully inadequate
[23:05:06] <e^ipi> i can cram enough resisters between a 9 volt and an LED to make sure it doesn't catch fire, but that's about it
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[23:06:30] <jbk> lots of math
[23:06:57] <e^ipi> eh, i do well enough in math
[23:08:19] <e^ipi> i'm thinking like... i know enough about the soft side of things that given an abstract world where transistors are just put together, i could build a simple CPU
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[23:08:47] <e^ipi> however, since real electronics components need more than just some solder , i'd be lost
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[23:09:39] <e^ipi> (i'm not even entirely sure what it is that a capacitor does, aside from burst open and leak at inopportune moments )
[23:10:06] <evocallaghan1> e^ipi:lol; what would you like to know.. its more my area.
[23:10:30] <e^ipi> a good book on the basics?
[23:10:52] <evocallaghan1> e^ipi:I never learnt out of a book
[23:11:07] <evocallaghan1> e^ipi:wiki is a good start
[23:11:32] <e^ipi> well, i meant more a projects book
[23:11:37] <evocallaghan1> e^ipi:I would recommend doing some micro stuff so you get a little closer to the hardware/software line
[23:11:57] <jbk> well capacitors are kinda like a spring, in that they store and release energy in relation to the change in voltage across it
[23:12:25] <jbk> more technically, they behave as i=C*dv/dt
[23:12:33] <evocallaghan1> e^ipi:you can help me with my project :D Its a real time OS in Ada for the Atmel AVR32
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[23:13:12] <smtms> evocallaghan1, is that a hobby or your work?
[23:13:22] <e^ipi> meh, simple OS's are easy
[23:13:36] <evocallaghan1> e^ipi:Caps serv as two main functions. store *charge* that is, Q=i*t and pass AC singnals
[23:13:41] <jbk> often, they are used to filter out frequencies in a signal
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[23:14:07] <evocallaghan1> smtms:hobby at the moment, I use to work for a set top box company in the uk
[23:14:42] <evocallaghan1> jbk:that is a RC or LC or RCL network
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[23:15:22] <evocallaghan1> although a component will have a frequency response yes
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[23:15:56] <evocallaghan1> e^ipi:a few filter types are, low pass, high pass and band pass
[23:16:09] <evocallaghan1> They are prob work looking at.
[23:18:00] <jbk> thankfully, there are some techniques to simplify the math
[23:18:07] <jbk> as long as you're not a physicist :)
[23:18:22] <evocallaghan1> the maths is easy
[23:18:27] <jbk> they'd do the 3 pages of solving a system of differential equations
[23:18:34] <jbk> vs. making a few transforms
[23:18:47] <jbk> and doing plain algebra w/ complex numbers
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[23:20:23] <evocallaghan1> jbk:your talking about node anaylsis. well you can just use a matrix
[23:20:30] <evocallaghan1> 3x3 is easy
[23:20:41] <evocallaghan1> then its worth just using Mathematica
[23:21:22] <jbk> hah!
[23:21:28] <jbk> we had to do it all by hand :)
[23:21:32] <jbk> and that wasn't even that long ago..
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[23:23:21] <_setuid_H> damn I see matrix everywhere I go :-) In a school, on my table...
[23:23:50] <_setuid_H> It was a " today  topic" in school Gaussian method of elimination ...
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[23:24:50] <jbk> they can also be used in the modeling of control systems..
[23:25:07] <jbk> they're nice if you have a computer to do all the work
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[23:25:45] <jbk> i wouldn't use them for anything i have to do on the back of an envelope though (for the most part)
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[23:27:43] <einand|fscons> how do i get opensolaris to get an ip from dhcp
[23:28:22] <_setuid_H> einand|fscons: what svc .. .physical are you using nwam or default?
[23:28:26] <seanmcg>  nothing, if you have nwam enabled
[23:28:28] <_setuid_H> svcs -a | grep physical
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[23:29:56] <einand|fscons> online <alot of stuff>:nwam
[23:30:13] <h3sp4wn> _setuid_H: Its alot easier to do gaussian elimination by hand than solve loads of simultaneous equations
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[23:30:30] <einand|fscons> i run it an virtualbox, so havent figerout how copy text yet
[23:30:53] <_setuid_H> einand|fscons: are you using opensolaris 2008.* or sxce?
[23:31:39] <einand|fscons> _setuid_H: os200805.iso
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[23:32:41] <seanmcg> einand|fscons, what type of networking and nic did you set the virtualbox to be ? (NAT, internal-network, ... etc)
[23:32:48] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: NAT
[23:32:58] <_setuid_H> einand|fscons: then you should have enabled nwam as default that means that you have dhcp by default
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[23:33:24] <einand|fscons> _setuid_H: strange, it hase not been configured with an IP, how can i force it
[23:33:26] <seanmcg> then it should have an IP like 10.x.y.z (me thinks, firing up one now)
[23:33:55] <h3sp4wn> einand|fscons: Is it set to emulate the right card (e1000 is best)
[23:34:01] <_setuid_H> einand|fscons: try ifconfig [device] dhcp start
[23:34:07] <einand|fscons> ut emulets an e1000
[23:34:11] <_setuid_H> [device] stand for bge0 or whatever
[23:34:24] <einand|fscons> the card are named e1000g0
[23:34:28] <_setuid_H> ifconfig -a  should tell you what alias it is
[23:35:00] <einand|fscons> it has an IP now, but i cant ping anyone on the network :(
[23:36:18] <seanmcg> einand|fscons, cause you're NAT'ed perhaps, whats the Ip you got ?
[23:36:59] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: i have doen the same thing in my debian (installd in VBOX and that works)
[23:37:39] <seanmcg> and the IP ?  its 10.x.y.z like ?  using vbox v2.0.2 ?
[23:37:42] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: 10.0.2.15
[23:38:00] <einand|fscons> and i do use 2.0.2, running in windows vista
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[23:44:13] <seanmcg> einand|fscons, an opensolaris NAT's vbox guest like yours I have here, can't ping either.  But can ssh
[23:44:38] <seanmcg> using the IP addresses at least
[23:45:30] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: i cant even use firefox on it
[23:45:53] <seanmcg> can you ssh to a remote host using the IP address ?
[23:46:09] <einand|fscons> i shall try, just restarted it
[23:49:23] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: no i can't
[23:49:50] <einand|fscons> strange, i can do a dns lookup
[23:50:15] <seanmcg> thats odd now, your host OS isn't firewalling or something ?  My host is SXCE, and the guest can get to remote hosts (and lookup hostnames) fine.
[23:50:35] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: i have done nothing but now it works
[23:50:46] <seanmcg> heh :)
[23:51:46] <einand|fscons> any way, i did install opensolaris becourse i want to build my a NAS this spring.
[23:51:55] <einand|fscons> anyting i need to think about.
[23:52:27] <einand|fscons> om going to use about 20 hardrives
[23:52:54] <TomJ> check hardware compatibility
[23:52:57] <seanmcg> spread wisly over a few controllers I hope :)
[23:53:01] <seanmcg> wisely even
[23:53:11] <TomJ> and yeah 3 x 8 port controllers would be better than 1 x 16 and 1 x 4 or whatever
[23:53:16] <TomJ> on PCI-X
[23:53:29] <TomJ> or PCI-E I suppose
[23:53:33] <TomJ> min 4gb ram, 8gb better
[23:53:38] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: 20x1.5TB hardiskdrives
[23:53:46] <einand|fscons> why that mutch ram?
[23:53:52] <TomJ> cos it's cheap and useful
[23:54:01] <seanmcg> zfs cache
[23:54:03] <TomJ> more ram, more cache
[23:54:32] <einand|fscons> i was toold zraid was the best for the jobb
[23:54:41] <einand|fscons> or raidz?
[23:54:43] <seanmcg> raidz, yes
[23:54:43] <TomJ> raidz2 you'd want,  raidz is not safe enough really
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[23:54:52] <TomJ> raidz2 has two drives of parity instead of one
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[23:55:06] <TomJ> e.g. with 20 drives you could have 2 x 10 raidz2,   which is 16 drives of data
[23:55:08] <einand|fscons> ok, thats soundsfair
[23:55:23] <seanmcg> 1.5TB disks ?  You have monies to burn, get a thumper
[23:55:51] <TomJ> hehe that's still only about $3000, so maybe $5000 with the rest
[23:55:52] <einand|fscons> seanmcg: a friend are working with creating HD documentarys
[23:55:53] <TomJ> thumper is $20k
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[23:56:21] <einand|fscons> 21TB will be around $1500 in sweden
[23:56:48] <TomJ> using the latest, highest capacity drives is often not the most cost effecitve choice of course
[23:56:55] <TomJ> if 1.5TB is out I'd probably get 1TB drives
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[23:57:15] <e^ipi> i bought a bunch of 750G drives because they were significantly cheaper per GB than the 1TB drives
[23:57:32] <seanmcg> $100 a disk ?  In Europe ?  thats cheap.
[23:57:44] <seanmcg> wait, math is wrong :)
[23:58:01] <TomJ> yes that's very cheap ,but i think he says he gets a discount
[23:58:17] <einand|fscons>  165,73 USD
[23:58:28] <seanmcg> aye, 1500/21 == 71 dollars
[23:58:53] <einand|fscons> sorry
[23:59:07] <einand|fscons> 20x1.5TB = 2 071,65 USD
[23:59:16] <TomJ> you are planning to have your OS amongst those 20, or will you have 22 drives in total
[23:59:17] <TomJ> ?
[23:59:57] <einand|fscons> TomJ: i will have a single disk for the os, raid1 or something





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