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[00:15:11] <TomJ> What service do I enable to get sendmail listening on port 25?  I enabled smtp:sendmail but it's not listening
[00:15:21] <TomJ> oh wait, it is, just only on localhost
[00:15:29] <tomww> secure by default
[00:16:01] <tomww> netnetservices [ open | limited ]
[00:16:07] <tomww> sorry, netservices [ open | limited ]
[00:16:22] <tomww> unwanted strcat()
[00:16:24] <TomJ> ok did that, didnt change
[00:16:31] <TomJ> possibly because I made a custom sendmail.cf ?
[00:17:20] <tomww> well, that one will get overwritten with upgrades/patches unless m4-ed (change only *mc files)
[00:17:20] <e^ipi> did you sacrifice the chicken /and/ the goat, or just the goat?
[00:17:52] <e^ipi> and was it started by a virgin on the first full moon after harvest?
[00:17:56] <TomJ> tomww: yeah I changed /etc/mail/cf/cf/sendmail.mc then did make
[00:18:11] <tomww>  TomJ gets 100 points
[00:18:18] <TomJ> then copied the resuling sendmail.cf to /etc/mail/sendmail.cf
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[00:18:45] <TomJ> oh wait
[00:18:46] <TomJ> it is listening now
[00:18:56] <TomJ> maybe it just takes a moment to start up :)
[00:18:57] <TomJ> thanks
[00:19:46] <tomww> config/local_only boolean true
[00:20:13] <tomww> but that's probably the settign which gets changed by the netservices magic foo
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[00:36:04] <e^ipi> i think mail.app chooses which email address to send from at random
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[01:45:59] <sponix> any torrent guru's in here ?
[01:46:44] <e^ipi> of course not, stealing is wrong
[01:46:59] <e^ipi> I definately don't think you should use Azureus
[01:47:09] <_mary_kate_> what does torrents have to do with stealing?
[01:47:13] <e^ipi> even though it has a console client
[01:47:17] <e^ipi> which my friend tells me is rad
[01:48:26] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: nothing *shifts eyes*
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[01:50:46] <e^ipi> heya Tpenta
[01:50:52] <Tpenta> hey there
[01:52:04] <e^ipi> how goes?
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[01:52:19] <sickness> e^ipi: I'm a torrent guru >:P
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[02:00:47] <e^ipi> haha, i just discovered the reason for multiple monitors
[02:00:52] <e^ipi> gigantic spreadsheets
[02:01:35] <ruse39> e^ipi, you probably need Big Bertha from IBM
[02:01:40] <ruse39> for gigantic spreadsheets :)
[02:02:56] <e^ipi> yeah, a couple of them
[02:04:38] <ruse39> e^ipi, familiar with beg bertha ?
[02:04:42] <ruse39> *big
[02:06:01] <e^ipi> i know of it
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[02:30:36] <evocallaghan> Is there anyway to get the all stack of patches for ss12 instead of installing them one by one from here http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/downloads/patches/ss12_patches.jsp
[02:30:53] <evocallaghan> s/all/whole/
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[03:05:55] <sponix> e^ipi:  just because I say the word Torrent doesn't mean I'm stealing things... Of course, it does up the odds though ;)
[03:06:05] <mib_1m5lba> lol
[03:06:30] <sponix> e^ipi:  I use torrents for ISOs of FreeBSD, Ubuntu, and other common opensource downloads as well
[03:07:13] <sponix> Right now, the media I'm downloading needs to finish Much faster... Wife says sex tonight depends on it... :(
[03:08:21] <jamesd>  sponix its finished isn't it... i think its funished.
[03:09:32] <evocallaghan> sponix:Some wife O_o
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[03:40:40] <mib_1m5lba> so hey yall enjoying opensol over the linux?
[03:40:55] <mib_1m5lba> any mysql hacks in here?
[03:41:04] <mib_1m5lba> got a harware question/os question
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[03:42:05] <jamesd> e4600 for x86 or  n9000 for sparc...  both fully loaded is always the answer
[03:42:20] <jamesd> er x4600
[03:46:54] <benley> x9999
[03:47:28] <benley> mib_1m5lba: I use mysql, though not happily :-P
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[03:54:15] <zati> anyone know of list of hardware/machines snv_XX has successfully been installed on?
[03:54:28] <sponix> postgresql ?
[03:54:39] <sponix> Oracle for that matter ?
[03:54:46] <zati> i'm specifically looking for smaller form factors like laptops.
[03:55:24] <sponix> I use MySQL too, but only for a couple thousand records of my Movies... Something small and simple like that, it does well on ;)
[03:55:51] * benley has ... proabably ~100 dedicated mysql machines :-/
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[03:56:36] <Plazma> i like sqllite3 myself.. its tiny and does the job
[03:56:49] <Plazma> but im not huge into DBMS's either
[03:57:19] <jamesd> myphpadmin rocks... along with mysql
[03:57:31] <jamesd> for home stuff
[03:57:35] <alanc> zati: the hardware compatibility list has the machines people have installed snv on and reported back
[03:57:37] <benley> ym phpmyadmin
[03:58:08] <alanc> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/
[03:58:26] <zati> alanc: ah, thx.
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[03:59:21] <sponix> jamesd:  nothing wrong with wicked simple ;)
[03:59:49] <sponix> anyone ever used mydns ?
[03:59:49] <zati> alanc: when i install snv_98, i don't think it tailors itself to smaller form factors, right?
[04:02:13] <alanc> not really - it lets you choose what software to install, but makes you figure out how much to include
[04:02:29] <zati> yeah, that's what i thought
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[04:03:44] <piwi> zati: maybe you want try milax http://www.milax.org/
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[04:10:30] <Plazma> so you guys who follow the SXCE release tracks.. you guys use live upgrade i imagine to keep to the bleeding edge no?
[04:15:11] <e^ipi> i use it to not run in to old bugs that've already been fixed
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[04:15:23] <Plazma> ahh
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[04:15:48] <Plazma> so Solaris express community and solaris express developer edition no longer exist right.. its SXCE and Indiana ?
[04:15:50] <alanc> yes, live upgrade is cool - need to convert my machines to ZFS boot still for faster LU's
[04:16:04] <alanc> SXCE == Solaris Express Community Edition
[04:16:04] <Plazma> oh so they finally got ZFS boot working to be stable eh?
[04:16:07] <Plazma> right
[04:16:16] <alanc> just SXDE is gone
[04:16:18] <Plazma> they changed it a while ago and i got lost and for some reason didn't research it further
[04:16:19] <e^ipi> SXCE will still be around for a while
[04:16:20] <Plazma> ahh
[04:16:28] <Plazma> so what about indiana or nevada.. or is nevada == SXCE
[04:16:36] <e^ipi> the latter
[04:16:51] <alanc> nevada == SXCE, indiana == opensolaris 2008.xx
[04:16:53] <Plazma> ahh
[04:16:58] <Plazma> right on
[04:17:00] <_mary_kate_> Plazma: zfs boot has been stable since build 50 or something, it just was missing the install/upgrade support
[04:17:01] <sstallion> evening all
[04:17:02] <Plazma> that makes it easy like pie
[04:17:07] <_mary_kate_> so once you had zfs boot, you could never upgrade except via bfu
[04:17:16] <Plazma> ahhh
[04:18:34] <sstallion> e^ipi: debating picking up an ultra for home
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[04:19:19] <nachox> _mary_kate_, and why would you want to upgrade using something else? ;)
[04:19:45] <Plazma> nachox, your nick makes me hungry
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[04:20:12] <_mary_kate_> nachox: because bfu only upgrades ON
[04:20:24] <nachox> Plazma, your comment makes me want to stab you to death so i think were even
[04:20:46] <Plazma> harsh
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[04:35:25] <evocallaghan> lol
[04:35:49] <evocallaghan> Lads, anyone know if the next solaris 10 release will inc. ZFS root ?
[04:35:54] <e^ipi> sstallion: ultra what?
[04:36:04] <e^ipi> sstallion: sparc or the x86 boxes
[04:36:09] <sstallion> e^ipi: dunno. I have a 24 at the office
[04:36:16] <Plazma> ultra 60 FTW
[04:36:18] <sstallion> well, they don't sell the sparcs (new) anymore
[04:36:24] <e^ipi> no :(
[04:36:38] <sstallion> the 24 has been an excellent box
[04:36:47] <Plazma> sstallion i was didsapointed by that too , guys at work wanted to buy some new sun workstations
[04:36:48] <sstallion> and intel has been stomping on amd the last bit
[04:37:33] <sstallion> in fact, my workstation is so quick, I created a zone and added it to the build server pool
[04:37:43] <sstallion> its the fastest build server (heh)
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[04:37:50] <Plazma> heh
[04:37:59] <Plazma> i need to pick up a netra T1 for my rack
[04:38:09] <sstallion> why ?
[04:38:25] <sstallion> I wouldnt go with anything less than a T4
[04:38:25] <e^ipi> too quiet in the room
[04:38:28] <e^ipi> it get lonely
[04:38:29] <Plazma> wel ican pick up 2 or 3 of them and run VCS
[04:38:31] <Plazma> and yes
[04:38:33] <Plazma> im a lonley man
[04:38:35] <Plazma> :)
[04:38:57] <sstallion> heh, my T4 in the rack sucks up half the power used and is easily the loudest machine by a factor of 2
[04:39:00] <piwi> http://cgi.ebay.de/Sun-Enterprise-10000-UltraSparc-Hochleistungsserver_W0QQitemZ200259261117QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200259261117&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A1|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
[04:39:09] <piwi> cheap enterprise 10000
[04:39:32] <piwi> 1 euro atm
[04:39:47] <sstallion> haha
[04:39:57] <sstallion> 200 - 240 VAC, 47 - 63 Hz, 24 A (max)
[04:40:06] <piwi> ~ 13 kw :)
[04:40:13] <evocallaghan> What a load of junk
[04:40:39] <e^ipi> i kinna just want a t1k or something
[04:40:40] <evocallaghan> Why not just buy a T1k box. It would be the same as your power bill
[04:40:52] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:+1
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[04:41:09] <sstallion> t1k's are good if you have concurrent load
[04:41:14] <evocallaghan> Where do I find the change list for the next Solaris 10 release ?
[04:41:16] <Plazma> ill just get 4 x 880's
[04:41:17] <sstallion> otherwise you are better off with a SPARCIV or SPARCV
[04:41:19] <Plazma> :D
[04:41:47] <e^ipi> sstallion: but you forget how cheap the t1k is
[04:42:05] <evocallaghan> cheap was the factor there ..
[04:42:09] <sstallion> e^ipi: doesnt do you any good if you can't actually *use* it
[04:42:16] <e^ipi> true enough
[04:42:28] <evocallaghan> T2+ chips are great !
[04:42:33] <sstallion> but yeah, its crazy how cheap the t1k's are
[04:42:41] <Plazma> the plac ei used to live.. they had a HUGE recylcery , mostly cars, but they had a spot that recycled computers.. and UofI always threw out their old stuff, pallets of SGI octanes and netraT1s and rs/6000's
[04:42:47] <evocallaghan> I got access to two and they are really fast at building KDE
[04:42:58] <Plazma> i can't wait until the ROCK comes out.. can you smell what it's cookin ;)
[04:43:23] * evocallaghan can
[04:43:31] <evocallaghan> It will be too expensive to buy
[04:43:33] <e^ipi> ugh...
[04:43:37] * e^ipi wanders off
[04:43:53] <evocallaghan> Which just means Sun loses out at the end of the day
[04:44:07] * evocallaghan runs after e^ipi
[04:44:54] <e^ipi> too expensive how?
[04:45:06] <e^ipi> it'll probably be comperable to other machines in it's class
[04:45:23] <e^ipi> (hint, ghetto whitebox PC's are not in it's class)
[04:45:34] <Plazma> *gasp* you lie!
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[04:46:14] <e^ipi> and sun is not now, nor has it ever been, a consumer goods company
[04:46:32] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:In fact they kind of are now adays and this is what Sun is not seeing
[04:46:46] <evocallaghan> I can buy a few x86 boxes and if one blows up, big deal
[04:46:56] <sstallion> heh
[04:46:59] <sstallion> the google mindset :)
[04:47:09] <evocallaghan> Correct
[04:47:16] <jbk> which doesn't work in all instances
[04:47:22] <evocallaghan> But the fact of the matter is this is the way people are scaling out now
[04:47:27] <sstallion> I find it interesting, that my 6 year old sparc compiles ON just as quickly as my single core opteron under this desk.
[04:47:29] <jbk> hell look at gmail
[04:47:45] <evocallaghan> Its a shrinking market
[04:47:54] <evocallaghan> I do love SPARC though !
[04:48:21] <evocallaghan> x86 IO suxs
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[04:48:25] <sstallion> in fact, I use my opteron as a vnc terminal into the sparc... heh.
[04:48:33] <jamesd> wonders when they are going to put  sparcV chips in workstations...
[04:48:40] <Samy> jbk, what about gmail?
[04:48:41] <evocallaghan> But its all about "throw another x86 at it" mindset
[04:48:51] <piwi> but there will always be a market for reliable hw
[04:48:59] <jbk> it's to me a good example of 'throwing a bunch of small boxes at it' doesn't work
[04:49:03] <Samy> x86 can be reliable.
[04:49:10] <Samy> evocallaghan, why does x86 "IO" (?) suck?
[04:49:14] <jbk> at least a few times a month, my account is down
[04:49:21] <Samy> jbk, I haven't had any problems.
[04:49:27] <sstallion> Samy: reliable isnt the problem. It has to do with scalability more than anything else.
[04:49:28] <jbk> you probably just don't notice it
[04:49:38] <evocallaghan> rubbish
[04:49:38] <jbk> but i'll see my account die for 20-30 minutes a few times a month
[04:49:48] <jbk> pretty consistantly
[04:49:50] <evocallaghan> Fasterest HPC in the world are x86
[04:49:52] <jbk> accessing it from different providers
[04:49:52] <Samy> sstallion, Scalability. Can you explain?
[04:49:58] <Samy> evocallaghan, is it?
[04:50:03] <Samy> I thought it was Roadrunner, ATM.
[04:50:03] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: powerpc, actually
[04:50:06] <Samy> Which is Opteron + CELL.
[04:50:10] <sstallion> evocallaghan: throwing more boxes on the network isn't exactly the definition of scalable :)
[04:50:10] <evocallaghan> becuase, a) its cheap and b) if one blows up, then no matter
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[04:50:43] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Nope, *most* are x86 by a long shot
[04:50:48] <Samy> sstallion, WRT implementations out there...they definitely don't scale as well as sun4u or sun4v, I agree.
[04:51:09] <sstallion> evocallaghan: eh, I think POWER beats out AMD chips in that space...
[04:51:23] <evocallaghan> POWER6 rocks !
[04:51:27] <Samy> sstallion, but they still out-perform when it comes to compute.
[04:51:32] <evocallaghan> I am not saying that x86 is fast at all
[04:51:39] <evocallaghan> You compleatly missed my point
[04:51:42] <sstallion> Samy: they do ?
[04:51:55] <Samy> sstallion, of course.
[04:52:18] <sstallion> Samy: I'm not sure what you are basing your comparision on exactly, but thats not exactly correct.
[04:52:36] <evocallaghan> POWER6 is the go if you want raw calc, like for a SQL backend
[04:52:41] <Samy> sstallion, it is correct.
[04:52:48] <sstallion> I'd be curious to see how a modern intel chip stacks against a modern T2 under heavy concurrent load.
[04:52:54] <sstallion> I think you'll see some interesting results.
[04:52:57] <Samy> That is not "compute".
[04:53:06] <Samy> When I mean compute, I mean ALU/FP-intensive and cache friendly.
[04:53:14] <sstallion> Samy: you mean easy.
[04:53:22] <Samy> I mean, common.
[04:53:28] <sstallion> you mean games :)
[04:53:30] <Samy> Most HPC applications are well-tuned.
[04:53:36] <Samy> ":)"
[04:53:53] <Samy> Yes, because games are cache friendly? It's probably most games work out of cache (DMA).
[04:54:02] <sstallion> eh, cache is not DMA
[04:54:07] <Samy> Irrelevant to this, I mean many HPC applications.
[04:54:08] <evocallaghan> lol
[04:54:12] <Samy> I said cache is DMA?
[04:54:28] <Samy> sstallion, when it comes to HPC, Sun itself is only marketing x86-64 as the platform of choice.
[04:54:29] <sstallion> "It's probably most games work out of cache (DMA)"
[04:54:34] <sstallion> caching has nothing to do with DMA
[04:54:39] <Samy> Yes, meaning, you don't know what you're talking about.
[04:54:40] <sstallion> at least not directly as you suggested
[04:54:46] <Samy> "<sstallion> you mean games :)"
[04:54:54] <Samy> Don't be so presumptuous, please. :-P
[04:55:03] <Samy> But I said, ALU/FP-intensive and cache friendly.
[04:55:12] <evocallaghan> Anyway; In summary->price of sparc needs to come down && more ISV's need to be pulled into providing sparc compat software
[04:55:13] <Samy> Games are probably mostly working out of cache for rendering, DMA.
[04:55:24] * sstallion sighs.
[04:55:38] <Samy> Ignoring Intel graphics cards, which are heavily SSE/MMX-based for a lot of things.
[04:55:53] <evocallaghan> else, SPARC just becomes are expensive, small market sector thing that Sun needs to keep going
[04:55:58] <Samy> sstallion, T2 will perform well in "enterprise" computing, I/O-centric. I will agree.
[04:56:19] <Samy> But if you think 1 T2 can out-perform an Opteron in raw compute throughput, you are soley wrong.
[04:56:26] <Samy> If you don't believe me, a quick google search will reveal it.
[04:56:35] <sstallion> Samy: in a singly threaded context, that is true.
[04:56:36] <Samy> And if you really care, feel free to write your own benchmarks and test yourself (I have).
[04:56:38] <evocallaghan> T2+ chips are great for web stuff like apache and foo
[04:56:50] <Samy> sstallion, that's all I'm saying :)
[04:56:50] <sstallion> but the world does not run in a single thread.
[04:57:01] <Samy> sstallion, multiple cores.
[04:57:13] <sstallion> its like saying you have the fastest car in the planet, but only when driving in a straight line.
[04:57:20] <evocallaghan> multi core != multi threads :p
[04:57:27] <Samy> sstallion, they do when it comes to things that are compute-bound (that is, it is parallelism that is required, not just concurrency).
[04:57:42] <Samy> sstallion, yes, that's exactly what it is :)
[04:57:52] <Samy> Faster car in the planet when driving in a straight line :-P
[04:58:05] <sstallion> Well, have fun with that then. I prefer real world solutions myself...
[04:58:09] <Samy> A lot of HPC applications are on a "straight line".
[04:58:22] <evocallaghan> Samy:KDE4 builds faster on the T2+ box I got access to then a dual amd local here
[04:58:24] <sstallion> HPC is by definition *not* a general computing framework.
[04:58:38] <Samy> evocallaghan, concurrency. :) Compilation is not only compute-bound (fair share of I/O).
[04:58:44] <Samy> sstallion, did I imply it was?
[04:59:00] <jamesd> evocallaghan, why wouldn't it... 8 cores, 8 threads per core, and 8x hyper threaded io channels.
[04:59:04] <Samy> sstallion, you say "T2 outperforms" without any context. Except that HPC is not "real world".
[04:59:15] <evocallaghan> jamesd:well yea ..
[04:59:29] <CIA-25> Jeff Bonwick <Jeff.Bonwick at Sun dot COM>: 6755170 zinject -d causes panic
[04:59:39] <sstallion> Using HPC as an example of why AMD is clearly superior in a general context is fallacious.
[04:59:46] <evocallaghan> Samy"What are you getting at ?
[04:59:55] <Samy> sstallion, I didn't say it was "superior". :)
[05:00:04] <Samy> sstallion, I said it has much more compute power, though.
[05:00:15] <evocallaghan> jamesd:Do you know where I can find the change logs for the next solaris 10 release. I am wondering if zfs root is going to be supported ?
[05:00:20] <Samy> sstallion, especially considering $/bang (x4600 is reasonably priced).
[05:00:31] <sstallion> Again, in a limited context. Ramp up the load, and you'll see serious performance degradation.
[05:01:01] <sstallion> Samy: and you are assuming that the application you are hosting can be run on n nodes in a distributed context.
[05:01:05] <Samy> In HPC, there is no load other than the current applications.
[05:01:12] <Samy> sstallion, yes.
[05:01:22] <sstallion> Stop using HPC as an example - it has no bearing in this discussion.
[05:01:25] <evocallaghan> I think its got something to do with *my* point, which is the number one point; cost/cpu-power for sci apps
[05:01:30] <Samy> sstallion, yes, it does.
[05:01:38] <Samy> sstallion, because the "real world", also includes HPC. This is my point.
[05:01:57] <Samy> sstallion, you keep bringing I/O-bound applications as an example without taking into account compute-bound applications.
[05:02:00] <sstallion> HPC is a specialization... thats not real-world :)
[05:02:05] <Samy> sstallion, compute-bound applications will not magically scale on a barrel processor.
[05:02:06] <evocallaghan> Samy:That is not true. You have many tasks each sharing the cluster
[05:02:24] <sstallion> Real-world is a generalization of typical computing problems...
[05:02:28] <Samy> sstallion, it's my paycheck, I guess. So I see it as real world :)
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[05:03:00] <Samy> sstallion, I do not disagree otherwise that sun4v is a superior architecture for all other kinds of applications which involve I/O (network servers, desktop, etc..).
[05:03:23] <sstallion> Think of it this way.
[05:03:24] <Samy> I wanted to make a fair comparison in that area myself, but of course HPC has no interest in this.
[05:03:45] <cchapman> stupid question for you guys.....
[05:03:54] <cchapman> I run a windows network.....
[05:03:59] <sstallion> Samy: *shrug* different tools for different needs.
[05:04:05] <cchapman> I need a san/nas
[05:04:09] <Samy> sstallion, nod :)
[05:04:33] <cchapman> would it be a good idea to use windows storage server... or opensolaris?
[05:05:05] <evocallaghan> Never mind; found it http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-0547
[05:05:10] <Samy> s/windows storage server//
[05:05:13] <Samy> cchapman, :-P
[05:05:18] <Samy> I think this is the answer to expect from #opensolaris.
[05:05:25] <e^ipi> pretty much yeah
[05:05:38] <e^ipi> solaris has a cifs server with proper ACL support, and it's hella fast
[05:06:04] <e^ipi> but there might be enough gotcha's to make you choose windows
[05:06:05] <cchapman> opensolaris is the concensus?
[05:06:13] <e^ipi> in #opensolaris
[05:06:14] <e^ipi> ?
[05:06:15] <e^ipi> ...
[05:06:19] <evocallaghan> lol
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[05:06:24] <e^ipi> you knew that one before you got here
[05:06:27] <satan> hello all
[05:06:44] <e^ipi> yo
[05:06:49] <evocallaghan> cchapman: Do you want a CIFS share or what ?
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[05:06:55] <Guest77453> it seems my Solaris won't boot anymore...must be one of the files I copied over...any idea how to get into a boot shell and restore the backup
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[05:07:15] <satan_> i just need to get in there and rename a file
[05:07:20] <e^ipi> 'files you copied over' ? 'boot shell' ?
[05:07:25] <cchapman> i want cifs/smb yes.... and a way to share raw block devices
[05:07:29] <e^ipi> try booting with the kernel flag -s
[05:07:34] <satan_> it's remote, so i don't have physical access to the machine
[05:07:38] <e^ipi> cchapman: iscsi good enough for you?
[05:07:51] <satan_> e^ipi : ok, just add -s to the GRUB entry eh?
[05:07:57] <e^ipi> satan_: yes, the kernel line
[05:08:01] <cchapman> e^ipi: iscsi is good enough
[05:08:03] <satan_> ok thanks, let me try
[05:08:11] <e^ipi> cchapman: done. ZFS has native iscsi support
[05:08:17] <evocallaghan> cchapman:workgroup mode or domain ?
[05:08:31] <cchapman> evocallaghan: domain
[05:08:52] <cchapman> e^ipi: ya i saw that it had native iscsi support
[05:09:10] <evocallaghan> cchapman:http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-2429/6ne1idadb?l=en&a=view&q=solaris+10+cifs
[05:10:00] <evocallaghan> cchapman:Grab yourself the man and read though it; http://dlc.sun.com/pdf/820-2429/820-2429.pdf
[05:11:33] <cchapman> has anyone done this before?  Popped an opensolaris boxen in a windows network?
[05:11:44] <cchapman> or solaris 10
[05:12:04] <cchapman> and how reliable was it?
[05:13:10] <evocallaghan> cchapman: Yes, I got one running here
[05:13:23] <satan_> e^ipi: yeah -s also gives me kernel panic and it reboots instantly
[05:13:30] <satan_> anything else i can try?
[05:13:36] <evocallaghan> With a zfs fs as the backend to it. Works perfect all year.
[05:13:46] <cchapman> evocallaghan: how reliable?   how easy to administer?
[05:14:03] <e^ipi> satan_: -kv to find out where it dies
[05:14:27] <evocallaghan> cchapman:Download the PDF I sent you. Its been sitting there working all year. Nothing happened yet
[05:14:34] <e^ipi> cchapman: more reliable than any other filesystem in the world.
[05:14:54] <satan_> e^ipi: also as a kernel arg, i presume?
[05:14:58] <evocallaghan> cchapman:Moves a few GB a day as all the windows boxs backup to it at 7pm
[05:15:02] <cchapman> how easy to administer?
[05:15:16] <evocallaghan> cchapman:I set it up, it works, i leave it
[05:15:30] <e^ipi> cchapman: a monkey can do it.
[05:16:09] <evocallaghan> That reminds me, I have a banana !
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[05:17:23] <cchapman> how many TB are you running on the OpenSolaris SAN/NAS?
[05:17:45] <evocallaghan> back
[05:17:56] <evocallaghan> cchapman:5
[05:18:19] <evocallaghan> In a raidz
[05:18:37] <evocallaghan> I can't remember that much about it. I sits there working
[05:19:17] <satan_> e^ipi: ok i did -kv and it paniced and is now in the kmdb shell, i'm assuming
[05:19:55] <e^ipi> satan_: yes, now you can look at a stack trace to see why it died
[05:20:44] <satan_> e^ipi: i think i know why it died, a colleague of mine copied over a kernel file /kernel/cpudrv...rather rashly
[05:21:04] <satan_> but he made a backup, so i need to rename /kernel/cpudrv_bk to /kernel/cpudrv
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[05:21:17] <satan_> no idea why he did this, perhaps to get DVFS working, anyhow
[05:21:27] <satan_> any ideas on how i can get to that location and do it?
[05:22:02] <ZOP> satan_: if you boot in failsafe and have it mount the system (it'll prompt you) you should be able to make the changes.
[05:22:26] <satan_> ZOP: I tried booting in failsafe and it just freezes...stays there forever
[05:22:51] <evocallaghan> satan_:what if you did -sv
[05:23:05] <satan_> yeah i tried -s -kv and it got me into the kmdb prompt
[05:23:25] <satan_> perhaps i should try failsafe with -sv, it's only with -s now
[05:23:33] <satan_> the v is just for verbose, right?
[05:23:37] <e^ipi> you'll probably need to pull out the media
[05:23:38] <evocallaghan> yes
[05:23:50] <evocallaghan> sounds hellish :p
[05:23:57] <satan_> ok so it looks like a trip to the server room is in order
[05:24:02] <e^ipi> yep
[05:24:10] <satan_> damn this...fixing someone else's mess :P
[05:24:22] <e^ipi> now, for next time
[05:24:26] <e^ipi> look at RBAC
[05:24:31] <e^ipi> you don't need to give anyone root ever
[05:24:44] <e^ipi> just enough power to do their job, and not a bit more
[05:24:47] <satan_> e^ipi: ok i'll look into it, thank you
[05:24:49] <satan_> cool
[05:24:53] <satan_> thanks for your help everyone
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[05:27:33] <ZOP> yeah RBAC is something i need to start to research myself.
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[05:28:47] <evocallaghan> man user_attrs
[05:28:55] <evocallaghan> Thats a good start I found
[05:33:06] <e^ipi> the man page for RBAC itself is probably a more sane start
[05:33:58] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:I'm Irish
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[05:35:28] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: drunk or not , rbac(5) is a good read
[05:36:04] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:I'm not drunk, I mean I learn backwards
[05:36:29] <evocallaghan> Its forward thinking, trust me
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[05:48:18] <jbk> evening glynn
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[06:57:32] <mib_4zeuat> all these people at work are struggling with sun thumpers and solaris 10
[06:57:43] <mib_4zeuat> I thought this stuff is supposed to be sun rock solid
[06:57:53] <mib_4zeuat> and the sun patch tool is new apparently and buggy
[06:57:56] <mib_4zeuat> whats going on?
[07:01:07] <dsturnbu1l> only you can answer that
[07:01:32] <_mary_kate_> which 'new' patch tool?
[07:02:17] <e^ipi> mib_4zeuat: solid != idiot proof
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[07:04:09] <e^ipi> it doesn't matter what industry you're in... if you get an expensive piece of capital machinery, you should probably have someone trained on how to use it
[07:04:36] <evocallaghan> What version of Intel Xorg driver is in snv_99 ?
[07:05:39] <mib_4zeuat> yeah I wonder if the admins suck
[07:05:48] <mib_4zeuat> Im new at the job and a lot of slack sofar
[07:06:10] <e^ipi> sounds like it
[07:06:15] <e^ipi> ZFS is balls easy to set up
[07:06:17] <_mary_kate_> which new patch tool are you using?
[07:06:29] <mib_4zeuat> they didn't tell me
[07:06:37] <mib_4zeuat> it installs os patches
[07:06:42] <_mary_kate_> what are you asking then?
[07:06:45] <mib_4zeuat> from what I gather
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[07:07:07] <mib_4zeuat> well in normal going do sun thumpers have a lot of problems esp with the marvell driver?
[07:07:32] <_mary_kate_> no.  did you contact sun about the problems you're having?
[07:07:44] <Triskelios> marvell's driver is supposed to be pretty solid
[07:08:28] <e^ipi> sun should train a monkey to set up a ZFS NAS for marketing
[07:08:40] <e^ipi> "zfs: so easy a monkey can use it... watch this monkey use it"
[07:08:44] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: while zfs is easy, solaris management (especially patches) isn't
[07:09:00] <e^ipi> oh, yeah... patches are kinna a bitch
[07:09:22] <evocallaghan> SXCE is neat for small office or home use
[07:09:28] <mib_4zeuat> well we run greenplumb this big storage data warehouse, multiple postgresql instances behind some kinda db load manager, and thumpers for the disk
[07:09:35] <evocallaghan> Then you just lu whenever needed
[07:09:39] <mib_4zeuat> and the net has many posts about marvell driver complaining
[07:09:45] <mib_4zeuat> so Im wondering is this par for the course?
[07:09:49] <mib_4zeuat> or did they jak it up
[07:10:02] <_mary_kate_> that is the disk driver, if there's a problem with a disk, you're going to get messages from the driver about it
[07:10:11] <mib_4zeuat> oh yeah thye do
[07:10:13] <_mary_kate_> and since those are disk storage servers, 99% of problems with them are related to disks
[07:10:23] <mib_4zeuat> conf calls with sun who are working on supposed customer fix to marvell in lab
[07:10:25] <mib_4zeuat> wild
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[07:28:16] <lesterc> can anyone recommend a cheap SSD as a ZFS slog device? :)
[07:28:49] <Triskelios> slog = zil?
[07:38:32] <lesterc> if zil means separate intent log then yes.
[07:38:40] <the_unmaker> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/StatelessLinux hey does soalris do this?
[07:38:44] <the_unmaker> diskless clients
[07:38:49] <the_unmaker> or even disked clients
[07:38:52] <Triskelios> zil is just the term for the intent log
[07:38:54] <the_unmaker> 1 os image boot from?
[07:40:33] <Triskelios> the_unmaker: diskless clients are supported, yes
[07:41:29] <Triskelios> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/diskless_x86_setup.pdf has an example for S10
[07:42:05] <_mary_kate_> diskless clients have a separate root for each client, though
[07:42:08] <_mary_kate_> (and a shared usr)
[07:45:19] <lesterc> Triskelios: is SXCE supported?
[07:47:23] <_mary_kate_> lesterc: supported in what way?
[07:47:30] <_mary_kate_> you can't get support form sun like you can for S10
[07:49:08] <Triskelios> I think the tools are present in SX, but likely have never been tested
[07:52:37] <Triskelios> sweet, the markmail guys got the os.o lists indexed. now I don't have to use jive
[07:57:20] <lesterc> good enough for me. :)
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[08:12:49] <trochej> Coffee
[08:15:12] <Okona> hmm, nice idea...
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[08:59:32] <CIA-25> Miles Xu, Sun Microsystems <Min.Xu at Sun dot COM>: 6718266 nge should remove some lint escape flags
[09:04:19] <fraggeln> can someone tell my why my system doesnt read /etc/X11/xorg.conf? :)
[09:04:38] <fraggeln> and when im trying to change screenresolution, i dont have any options att all, its just blank :)
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[09:08:10] <DTEIT> morning
[09:08:30] <chris_unix_dude_> good evening
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[09:09:15] <fraggeln> Strange, each time i run package manager and click update all, it tells me its a new version out, it patches and tells me to restart and run update all again
[09:09:26] <fraggeln> then it loops back and tells me new updatess for package manager.
[09:09:31] <fraggeln> seem broken aye?
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[09:19:41] <the_unmaker> yeah
[09:19:45] <the_unmaker> yeahhhh
[09:21:29] <fraggeln> the strangest this its a new install
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[09:21:59] <the_unmaker> 2008.03?
[09:22:04] <the_unmaker> indianan?
[09:22:09] <fraggeln> no. 2008.05
[09:24:00] <fraggeln> only non-default options is swedish keyboard during install, and timezone set to stockholm, otherwise english and default.
[09:24:05] <fraggeln> but its still broken :D
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[09:26:06] <fraggeln> and smpatch seems to be removed :(
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[09:28:06] <_mary_kate_> there are no patches for 2008.05
[09:28:16] <_mary_kate_> so it wouldn't be that much use anyway
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[09:31:20] <mib_q6x7v4> opensolaris
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[09:31:24] <mib_q6x7v4> its pissa
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[09:43:09] <carl-> what ports are needed ( firewall ) when using nfsv4 on solaris .. and .. can i force certain ports to be used ( configuring rpc )
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[09:49:16] <mib_q6x7v4> yah
[09:49:22] <mib_q6x7v4> see nfs man
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[09:49:33] <mib_q6x7v4> in 4 configurable I thinky
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[09:58:05] <kokoko1> tcpdump is not present on solaris so that tool you ppl use to capture network packets?
[09:59:35] <e^ipi> what, snoop?
[09:59:58] <fraggeln> _mary_kate_: well, my vmware-installation of 2008.05 did download over 500mb of patches, and you are telling me its not much to patch? :D
[10:00:08] <_mary_kate_> fraggeln: those are probably updated packages, not patches
[10:00:17] <_mary_kate_> fraggeln: since they aren't patches, they aren't managed using smpatch (or patchadd)
[10:00:28] <_mary_kate_> fraggeln: 2008.05 (Indiana) has a completely new packaging system called IPS
[10:00:41] <fraggeln> _mary_kate_: yea, package manager.
[10:00:42] <kokoko1> e^ipi, looking into snoop thanks
[10:00:51] <fraggeln> and thats what im trying to get working on my stationary computer :)
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[10:04:13] <ZOP> e^ipi: heh, snoop to the speaker much ever? :D
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[10:05:22] <ZOP> what was it... -a i think for audio?
[10:05:40] <ZOP> cos -s was skip for size....
[10:07:01] <ZOP> meh anyway sleep
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[10:15:56] <fraggeln> is there anyway to run package-manager from console?
[10:17:14] <mib_bvpya7> there are manual ya know
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[10:49:39] <sickness> morning all
[10:50:14] <chris_unix_dude> evening.
[10:50:22] <mib_bvpya7> http://technoninja.blogspot.com/2008/10/hot-women.html video blogggin rokz
[10:50:41] <mib_bvpya7> well again im considering switching from archlinux to opensoaris
[10:50:46] <mib_bvpya7> but not sure
[10:50:49] <mib_bvpya7> bleh
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[10:51:11] <mib_bvpya7> anyone here ever program standard ml?
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[10:59:06] <chris_unix_dude> nah - sorry.
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[11:05:01] <yoursdai> Hi,Does anybody have the code example for select about socket?
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[11:10:03] <mib_bvpya7> er
[11:10:07] <mib_bvpya7> not me
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[11:34:45] <mbz> I remember there was a bug related to intel gm965 xorg driver in SXCE b98. Is it fixed in b99?
[11:35:50] <mbz> there was also a workaround. they suggested to you vesa driver instead of intel..
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[11:37:04] <evocallaghan> mbz:try snv_100. there is heaps of updates in regards to x from 98
[11:37:20] <evocallaghan> mesa 7.0.4 is in 101
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[11:39:26] <mbz> evocallaghan, when is it going to be released?
[11:40:07] <mbz> (snv_b100)
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[11:43:14] <evocallaghan> mbz:end of the week prob
[11:44:20] <mib_mmde87> is there a solaris package for scheme or standard ml?
[11:44:25] <mbz> nice I'll give it a try
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[11:46:05] <evocallaghan> mib_mmde87:prob, but you could just build it though
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[12:17:54] <seanmcg> sletz, do you see this on opensolaris too ?
[12:19:58] <sletz> seanmcg: yes
[12:20:47] <sletz> seanmcg: i'm quite surprise to get almost no answer on this simple question...
[12:21:01] <sletz> gooing that gives nothing
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[12:21:57] <seanmcg> you may want to ask on code-opensolaris discuss or a similar list..
[12:22:09] <sletz> code-opensolaris: wher is that?
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[12:27:25] <mui> how one can query scsi info from device
[12:27:29] <mui> eg. deviceid and stuff like that
[12:27:45] <seanmcg> sletz, opensolaris-code at opensolaris dot org is the mailing list
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[12:28:07] <seanmcg> format -e, prtconf -vp
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[12:29:54] <seanmcg> sletz, and the forum with that mailing list is: http://opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=12
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[12:59:53] <hisham55> hi how are you
[13:00:26] <hisham55> i need your help brothers
[13:01:54] <JWheeler> ask your question, I can't promise that I'll know the answer
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[13:03:09] <sletz> seanmcg: they speak about "increase the system clock frequency": can it be done dynamically?
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[13:05:16] <hisham55> iam trying to find performance tool for solaris 9
[13:05:52] <seanmcg> not sure, thats the hisres tick I think.  Can be set via mdb on the fly.
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[13:06:48] <sletz> seanmcg: mdb?
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[13:06:59] <hisham55> yes i have tried the mdb it ok but the problem they need GUI
[13:07:06] <seanmcg> modular debugger
[13:07:54] <trochej> Coffeeeeeeeeee....
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[13:08:09] <Okona> yess
[13:08:19] <hisham55> they are facing problem with CPU and MEmory
[13:08:58] <hisham55> i try the SUNvts also
[13:10:39] <hisham55> can i use the dtrace on sol9
[13:11:22] <Belgar> ahmm
[13:11:32] <Belgar> hisham55; no drace on sol9
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[13:11:49] <hisham55> thank you only on sol10
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[13:12:20] <Belgar> hisham55; yes
[13:12:25] <hisham55> so what you recommanding
[13:12:41] <Belgar> for solaris 9 you would have to use a mix of tools like vmstat, iostat and perhaps top
[13:13:16] <TomJ> I'm trying to do:  ssh -X user@sxce_b99_box 'firefox'   #  i.e. run firefox from that SXCE box, but display it locally on my workstation (which is linux.)  This fails, because I already have firefox running locally, and apparently the firefox command just checks the local system and launches another window of the same process.  Anyone know a way around this?
[13:13:59] <trygvis> nope, but let me know if you figure it out :)
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[13:14:10] <seanmcg> don't use top, use prstat
[13:14:17] <hisham55> i use the vmstat and top is there any other tools which gives graphic
[13:14:20] <trygvis> or, one solution is to close your local one first. but then you can't have a local firefox
[13:14:30] <TomJ> trygvis: ok will let you know if I dig anything up
[13:14:50] <Dominic> TomJ: I don't understand why it can see your local instance, but look for something called 'no-remote' as an option to the Firefox binary, it disables the checking for other instances.
[13:15:27] <seanmcg> TomJ theres the MOZ_NO_REMOTE env var
[13:15:31] <Dominic> TomJ: -no-remote
[13:15:52] <TomJ> sweet, -no-remote it is!
[13:15:55] <trygvis> :D
[13:15:56] <TomJ> thanks Dominic, seanmcg
[13:16:31] <Dominic> it's handy for running FF2 and FF3 simultaneously also, or multiple profiles
[13:17:56] <seanmcg> what, like te MOZ_NO_REMOTE variable ?-)
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[13:18:11] <TomJ> yeah either does the same thing I suppose
[13:18:18] <TomJ> just depends if you want to use the arg or set it globally :)
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[13:22:02] <seanmcg> Theres also using different profiles, firefox -P <other profile>
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[13:23:10] <hisham55> is there any converter tool from text to graph, becuase i cron the sar, vmstat so i will check the system for some days
[13:23:17] <hisham55> what do you think
[13:23:53] <_mary_kate_> hisham55: awk and gnuplot
[13:24:00] <_mary_kate_> or rrdtool
[13:24:34] <gerard13> hisham55 look at ksar
[13:25:19] <CosmicDJ> or JKstat (though it's using kstat)
[13:25:36] <gerard13> hello all, i need help to repair my b97 broken system
[13:25:50] <hisham55> thank mary_kate, gerad13, cosmicDJ
[13:26:21] <gerard13>  / is under md control, and i'm unable to fsck it when failsafe boot
[13:26:26] <CosmicDJ> hisham55: on http://www.onetbsd.org/ gnuplot'd someone the data from iostat, you might want to take a look there, too
[13:27:02] <CosmicDJ> gerard13: you have to boot from != hd (i.e. cdrom) to fsck /
[13:27:20] <Belgar> or jumpstart
[13:27:28] <gerard13> argh, i have no cdrom :( i thought failsafe is sufficient?
[13:27:39] <gerard13> no i'm at home, no jumpstart here
[13:28:06] <gerard13> i did a fsck on the half of the mirror but / is always broken
[13:28:19] <Belgar> probably because its a part of a mirror?
[13:28:22] <gerard13> i have plenty of dup, frag, ...
[13:28:36] <gerard13> so i try to boot without mirror
[13:28:52] <CosmicDJ> disconnect the other part of the mirror, fsck it, boot from it?!
[13:28:53] <gerard13> replace system and vfstab to boot without mirror
[13:29:11] <gerard13> but it continues to boot with md, i don't understand why?
[13:29:26] <gerard13> what's about /boot/solaris/bootenv.rc ?
[13:29:51] <gerard13> why it contains md in bootpath? and why the initial bootpath isn't saved anywhere?
[13:29:52] <_mary_kate_> gerard13: fake EEPROM for x86
[13:30:00] <Belgar> do you still have to update a file in /etc/lvm ?
[13:30:04] <_mary_kate_> (like sparc nvram)
[13:30:14] <gerard13> i hate x86 machnies
[13:30:36] <gerard13> but now, i just want to repair it even if i had to repair bits after bits
[13:30:51] <Belgar> what about byte after byte? :)
[13:31:05] <gerard13> another suggestion?
[13:31:53] <_mary_kate_> btw, the only way i found to mount md root from failsafe is to mount the device, reboot to single user mode, break the mirror while the disk is read-only, reboot again, then remirror it
[13:31:54] <CosmicDJ> as I said, remove the 2nd disk from the mirror, unconfigure it and fsck it
[13:32:27] <gerard13> how can you mount md root from failsafe?
[13:32:34] <Belgar> i only did it in sparc, then i updated the system/vfstab, some /etc/lvm file and ensured that the boot-device was the disk i wished to boot from
[13:32:42] <gerard13> there is no md driver when failsafe?
[13:33:03] <Belgar> would you want to? i would only want to do that if i could guarantee that the mirrors were consistent
[13:33:04] <_mary_kate_> gerard13: like i said, i never found a way... you have the mount the disk, then break the mirror before the OS mounts it r/w
[13:33:16] <_mary_kate_> (otherwise it'll trash your disk because the two sides of the mirror are out of sync)
[13:33:20] <gerard13> CosmicDJ: i already unplug the second disk
[13:34:48] <Belgar> that could make md unhappy, depending on how you spread your metadb's
[13:35:14] <gerard13> Belgar, it's a classic two ways mirror with 3 replicas on each disk
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[13:35:31] <_mary_kate_> CosmicDJ: btw, i always fsck / by booting with r/o root (-m milestone=none), fscking it and reboot.. is that wrong?
[13:35:44] <gerard13> but, if there is no md in /etc/system, why it can boot with md?
[13:36:18] <CosmicDJ> _mary_kate_: oh that's possible? have to try that yet...
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[13:36:28] <CosmicDJ> _mary_kate_: but it sounds better than booting from cd :)
[13:36:40] <_mary_kate_> well, it seems to be.. i didn't break anything yet ;)
[13:37:14] <Belgar> gerard: the mirrored device is the current boot device?
[13:37:24] <gerard13> _mary_kate_: can you detail your operations? do you mean adding -m milestone in grub menu?
[13:37:33] <gerard13> yes Belgar
[13:37:48] <_mary_kate_> gerard13: yes.  kernel /whatever/multiboot -m milestone=none
[13:38:03] <_mary_kate_> gerard13: it'll come up with read only root and drop to a shell.  you can fsck and reboot
[13:38:10] <_mary_kate_> (i only tried that with vx, not svm, though)
[13:38:19] <gerard13> ok i'll try it now
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[13:53:53] <hisham55> thank you brothers
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[13:55:48] <hisham55> i will search more about the performance tools for sol9 please if you have any new information please can you email me i will be ppreciated hisham.alshaibani at its dot ws
[13:56:01] <_mary_kate_> solaris 9?  man are you in the wrong channel
[13:56:35] <hisham55> thank you
[13:56:40] <hisham55> see you
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[13:57:46] <Belgar> brr, ancient
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[14:44:05] <asyd> anyone have a dtrace script to monitor the rss usage of a process, like a script (the script ends after few seconds)
[14:44:34] <gerard13> i have a problem with grub, how can i find what slice grub is using to boot?
[14:45:05] <fraggeln> I have a small question regarding X, i run System->Preferences-> Screen Resolution, but when I click on Resolution, the dropdown menu is empty, any ideas why? :)
[14:46:06] <tijo007> hi, when i use 'zoneadm -z zone1 halt' it reboots globalzone too (using snv99). anybody experienced with that?
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[14:50:56] <gerard13> 4 questions, no answer! where are the experts? :-D
[14:51:48] <th> the experts might be busy answering questions from support contractees..
[14:56:53] <asyd> gerard13: they're sleeping:)
[14:57:37] <asyd> gerard13: you can use tab on grub to parse thecontent of your disks
[14:58:00] <asyd> and if you have the menu, you can type e to edit the line, and you'll see which disk it use
[14:59:05] <gerard13> ok, but
[15:00:34] <asyd> and take a look in the file where bootpath is defined
[15:01:01] <asyd> /boot/solaris/bootenv.rc
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[15:02:54] <gerard13> asyd, i'm sure that bootpath is deprecated now
[15:03:10] <asyd> do you know the new one?
[15:03:11] <gerard13> when you have svm mirrors, it contains md
[15:03:29] <gerard13> in indiana, this var is absent
[15:05:45] <asyd> ah in indiana
[15:07:05] <gerard13> it's just a comparison my problem is on SXCE b97
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[15:25:39] <mike-11101> What tool do you guys use for temp monitoring (charts)
[15:29:01] <Ash-Fox> cat on a device with a bash script.
[15:29:05] <Ash-Fox> *device file.
[15:30:07] <Ash-Fox> Then I pass the information to MRTG
[15:31:08] <mike-11101> or Munin I suppose. hmm.
[15:34:14] <_mary_kate_> mike-11101: an SNMP thermometer and cricket
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[15:41:00] <holcomb> any word on 10/08?
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[15:42:44] <Stric> holcomb: "Note: Solaris 10 10/08 availability is planned for the end of October." .. grr. used to be 'mid october'
[15:42:45] <mike-11101> Ash-Fox, _mary_kate_ thank you for your suggestions btw.
[15:42:51] <holcomb> nooo!
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[16:11:12] <tomj_> I just started using SXCE for PPPoE, with NAT.  PPPoE has been fine, but NAT is not working right at all.   my ipf.conf is simply "pass in all /  pass out all",  my ipnat.conf is:  map sppp0 192.168.0.0/24 -> 0.0.0.0/32 .   My LAN hosts are able to ping anything, and web browsing works to some sites.  But many (most) sites just won't work at all, the connection opens to port 80 but no data ever comes back.  The same connections work fine
[16:11:12] <tomj_> direct from the SXCE pppoe host.
[16:11:23] <tomj_> And the same sites fail from multiple LAN clients, e.g. one Linux and one Windows XP
[16:12:13] <tomj_> I couldnt even get on IRC, I'm tunnelling the connection via ssh to the SXCE router at the moment
[16:12:55] <tomj_> routeadm shows IPv4 Routing and IPv4 forwarding are enabled
[16:13:08] <tomj_> well, obviously they must be, because some sites do work, and ping works
[16:14:04] <tomj_> If I test with e.g.:  telnet news.bbc.co.uk 80   the connection opens, but then the remote host never sends any data back in response to my commands (e.g. GET / HTTP/1.0 <enter><enter>)
[16:15:25] <tomj_> Ah, and interestingly:  on some sites I sometimes get data back, depending on the request.  e.g.  telnet speedtest.net 80,  if I send a plain GET / HTTP/1.0  it returns a HTTP header showing an empty page (presumably because it won't answer on HTTP/1.0), but if I send a proper HTTP/1.1 response it hands without returning any data
[16:15:40] <tomj_> so it seems like it's something to do with the data that is returned that decides if it's going to reach me or not
[16:17:30] <CosmicDJ> tomj_: try adding mssclamp 1440 to your ipnat.conf
[16:18:18] <CosmicDJ> "map sppp0 192.168.0.0/24 -> 0/32 proxy port ftp ftp/tcp mssclamp 1440" etc. for every other map
[16:18:37] <tomj_> ok let me try, thanks
[16:19:27] <CosmicDJ> tomj_: http://www.phildev.net/solaris/mss.html
[16:19:29] <tomj_> oh that did the trick
[16:19:53] <CosmicDJ> tomj_: keep frags never worked here, that's why I had to do mssclamp
[16:19:56] <tomj_> thanks very much :)
[16:20:11] <CosmicDJ> np
[16:20:26] <ballChalk> ah ha
[16:20:32] <tomj_> so I never had to do that on FreeBSD - can I expect any other differences that you know of?
[16:21:26] <CosmicDJ> tomj_: yes, pppoe isn't smf'ed yet, see phils site for some shell scripts you can put into /etc/init.d so your connections comes up when you (re)boot
[16:21:53] <CosmicDJ> http://www.phildev.net/solaris/spppoe.html
[16:22:43] <tomj_> thanks
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[17:12:52] <StayTuned> I'd like to thank Open Solaris for their support in the past
[17:13:24] <StayTuned> Our band hit #1 in Techno and Drum and Bass 2 days ago in Soundclick and is holding
[17:13:52] <StayTuned> http://www.soundclick.com/DigitalNoiseControl
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[17:14:51] <StayTuned> #6 in Electronica
[17:15:01] <ballChalk> and what's the relation?
[17:15:15] <StayTuned> Well I used Open Solaris for a bit
[17:15:23] <seanmcg> sound clicks with dodgey audio drivers ?
[17:15:55] <StayTuned> I ended up using windows for most of the production
[17:15:59] <StayTuned> but next year
[17:16:11] <StayTuned> I am going to get an Athlon X2 or better
[17:16:30] <StayTuned> and run lmms and maybe rosegarden
[17:16:37] <StayTuned> on Solaris
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[17:17:02] <StayTuned> or at least experiment with them
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[17:18:13] <StayTuned> btw Sun was good to our crew over the summer - we visited the MD show at RIT
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[17:20:14] <kito> some is selling mass msft
[17:20:19] <kito> ooops
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[17:22:59] <xRaich[o]2x> kito: not only msft
[17:26:59] <kito> well obviously theres a major sell off, but I just saw 9 orders filled of >250,000 shares
[17:27:36] <kito> I didn't mean to type that in here though, wrong window ;)
[17:27:43] <xRaich[o]2x> ^^
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[17:38:34] <PaulR_> anyone live migrate with Xen on OpenSolaris?
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[18:15:10] <chris-p> is it possible to have a command line only opensolaris install + trusted extentions?
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[18:16:56] <ballChalk> chris-p: you should be using solaris or sxce for that
[18:17:10] <chris-p> why?
[18:17:29] <ballChalk> its kinda like asking if you can use vista home beta for production, when you need something tested, and you need something server oriented
[18:17:40] <chris-p> what's sxce?
[18:17:47] <ballChalk> solaris express (community edition)
[18:18:17] <ballChalk> it's basically the code that will become solaris 11.  it already calls itself solaris 11 (along with opensolaris which is based from the same code, but has a different userland crap)
[18:18:22] <ballChalk> this is as how i understand it
[18:19:29] <chris-p> and that supports trusted extentions?
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[18:20:50] <ballChalk> i dont know.  hopefully someone who knows what they're talking about will bother
[18:21:54] <tsoome> grrr. damn, i did step on issue 6487659 and there seems to be no fix/workaround atm:(
[18:22:34] <chris-p> ooh, I have a solaris 10 DVD lying around :)
[18:23:20] <TomJ> ballChalk: actually, SXCE will disappear at some point in mid-2009 and then there will only be Solaris and OpenSolaris.  I presume that at that point OpenSolaris will be fully merged with anything that SXCE has that it does not, but I'm not sure on that
[18:23:27] <TomJ> and yes you should certainly use Solaris 10 for any production purpose
[18:23:46] <ballChalk> TomJ: yep.  but until then, opensolaris is relatively broken
[18:23:51] <TomJ> indeed
[18:26:26] <holcomb> can't they just merge ips into sxce instead?
[18:26:31] <holcomb> i guess i don't get a vote.
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[18:27:19] <ballChalk> yeah...  it doesnt really make sense...  there will be two distributions of solaris, are they going to stop releasing snapshots as they have been for solaris?
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[18:34:09] <tomww> holcomb: +1
[18:34:12] <tomww> here is your vote
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[18:41:57] <ballChalk> Hmm I like the text for the "libMicro" project...  "libMicro was written by Bart Smaalders and Phil Harman as part of their "If Linux is faster, it's a Solaris bug!" campaign for Solaris 10."
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[18:58:58] <gerard13> i'm stuck with zfs datasets
[18:59:12] <gerard13> cannot mount /data: directory is not empty
[18:59:19] <gerard13> data is my zfs pool
[18:59:31] <CIA-25> <gerald.jelinek at sun dot com>: 6754405 configured zonepath root validation is too restrictive
[18:59:33] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: still there?  I'm having another ipnat issue.  I can't FTP from behind the NAT.  I've tried with and without "proxy port ftp ftp/tcp",  and I've tried that line with and without the mssclamp 1440 line, but FTP still won't work - connection establishes, but then ls fails on "Establishing passive connection.."
[18:59:48] <gerard13> what's the meaning? how can i retrieve the defect dir?
[19:00:00] <TomJ> gerard13: ls -al /data #  is there anything in it?
[19:01:24] <TomJ> sounds like you made a zpool called data when /data already existed with contents, so it won't mount it automatically
[19:01:25] <tomww> TomJ: what does ipfilter with log say about rejected packets and does the proxy line gets used or does another rule catch the data
[19:01:51] <TomJ> tomww: let me set up that logline.  where will it log to, /var/svc/log/network-ipfilter or do I need to set up syslog in any way?
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[19:02:41] <tomww> gerard13: alternatively ther is an old directory tree left over from a previous zfs mount of a filesystem hierarchy. you could rename directory /data if the content below is not of interest and retry zfs mount -a
[19:03:35] <tomww> TomJ: I think you have to put a line into syslog.conf and start the ipmon -Ds
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[19:04:29] <tomww> local0.*<tab>/var/log/hugeipf.log
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[19:12:40] <TomJ> ok done both of those things and svcadm restart system-log, but no logging yet -  and man ipnat.conf shows no 'log' directive I'm meant to put in there?
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[19:12:51] <TomJ> I also did touch /var/log/hugeipf.log before doing svcadm restart system-log
[19:13:15] <tijo007> hi, when i use 'zoneadm -z zone1 halt' it reboots globalzone (using snv99). anybody experienced with that please?
[19:16:42] <bda> O_o
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[19:18:32] <nickv> hey all....i appear to be having the hardest time downloading OLD builds of open solaris, more specific SNV_B91  is there an archive repository somewhere?
[19:18:38] <nickv> I appear to only be able to download the newest release
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[19:20:07] <nickv2> anyone?
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[19:20:27] <trochej> Elo
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[19:22:28] <TomJ> tomww: any thoughts what else I might need to do to enable ipnat logging?  I've started ipmon -Ds, added local.* /var/log/hugeipf.log,  touched /var/log/hugeipf.log, and restarted system-log and ipfilter, but the logfile is empty.  I don't have any 'log' lines in ipf.conf or ipnat.conf ('log' is not a valid directive for ipnat.conf)
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[19:22:46] <TomJ> local0.* that is
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[19:23:25] <CosmicDJ> TomJ: what do you want to log w/o any log in ipf.conf?
[19:23:34] <nickv> woops back
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[19:23:50] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: issue is:  I can't FTP from behind the NAT.  I've tried with and without "proxy port ftp ftp/tcp",  and I've tried that line with and without the mssclamp 1440 line, but FTP still won't work - connection establishes, but then ls fails on "Establishing passive connection.."
[19:23:52] <nickv> anyone know where to download snv_b91? seems i can only download the newest build
[19:24:00] <TomJ> tomww suggested turning on logging for ipnat so I could see which rule was being hit
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[19:24:38] <CosmicDJ> TomJ: can you pastebin your ipnat/ipf files?
[19:25:13] <PaulR_> anyone install a xen guest to a file?
[19:26:49] <ballChalk> yes...  i did
[19:26:57] <PaulR_> did it take forever?
[19:27:00] <nickv> Its there an archive build mirror site somewhere?
[19:27:12] <ballChalk> PaulR_: it didnt take longer than i expected...
[19:27:57] <CosmicDJ> nickv: just the BFU archives AFAIK
[19:28:06] <CosmicDJ> nickv: btw, why do you want such an old build?
[19:28:14] <PaulR_> its taking forever to install to a file
[19:28:27] <PaulR_> if I install to a ZFS filesystem it installs quickly
[19:28:48] <ballChalk> thats strange, i never experienced that.  do you have 4+GB RAM?
[19:28:52] <nickv> Running snv_b91 in production on several boxes....looking to build a local host and cant find our media, dont want to jumpstart
[19:29:08] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: ipnat is:  http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1221872
[19:29:15] <TomJ> CosmicDJ:  I am testing from LAN IP 192.168.0.227
[19:29:21] <PaulR_> I have 8G
[19:29:22] <TomJ> so it's lines 4,5,6 that should be hitting
[19:29:29] <PaulR_> its interesting
[19:29:53] <nickv> CosmicDJ: where can i find the BFU archives?
[19:30:04] <ballChalk> could be a driver issue and crossing 4gb dma issues with my driver
[19:30:55] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: ipf.conf is here, although I'e also tried it with a disabled ipf (basically:  pass in all /  pass out all) with same result, so not sure it's ipfilter related:   http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1221873
[19:31:16] <CosmicDJ> nickv: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/
[19:31:19] <nickv> CosmicDJ: BFU appears to be some upgrade, I am looking for the DVD iso of snv_b91...there is not a mirror somewhere?
[19:31:33] <CosmicDJ> nickv: no idea, sry
[19:31:37] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: oh, currently the FTP ipnat line has no mssclamp (line 4), but I initially tried with mssclamp on there too
[19:32:03] <CosmicDJ> TomJ: are you sure your proxy port ftp line is hit? check with ipnat -hl
[19:32:23] <nickv> CosmicDJ: What do I do with that? They do not look like ISO's
[19:33:32] <CosmicDJ> nickv: honestly, you can't do very much with them; they lack all the closed source programs etc.
[19:33:34] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: yeah ipnat -hl lists proxy FTP stuff:  http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1221874
[19:34:07] <nickv> CosmicDJ: so i cannot download an older build of opensolaris nevada? I find this hard to believe
[19:34:26] <TomJ> symptom from the client side is that it hangs at this point:  227 Entering Passive Mode (87,127,234,134,14,170)
[19:34:26] <TomJ> 150 Opening data connection for directory list.
[19:35:23] <tomww> so the backwards tcp connection dor the directory list, is this allowed by the fw-rules?
[19:36:18] <TomJ> is there a way to completely disable ipf while still running ipnat?
[19:36:32] <CosmicDJ> TomJ: mh ok, anyway I'd first start with cleaning up your ipnat, looks very strange to me, here's mine -> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1221878
[19:36:46] <TomJ> so far I hae done this in ipf.conf:  pass in all keep state keep frags /  pass out all keep state keep frags
[19:37:05] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: which part is strange?
[19:38:12] <CosmicDJ> TomJ: "rdr sppp0 62.105.179.90/32 -> 192.168.0.43 mssclamp 1440" for example
[19:38:21] <TomJ> hm yeah there shouldnt be mssclamp on that line
[19:39:05] <turtle> can't you just lower the mtu on the ppp interface and not have to worry about hackish things like setting mssclamp on your nat rule?
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[19:40:25] <TomJ> ok removed the mssclamp on the rdr lines, no difference
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[19:40:54] <TomJ> ipnat.conf is now:  http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1221895
[19:40:59] <CosmicDJ> TomJ: as I said, try starting again with clean/simple ipf/ipnat.conf files
[19:41:40] <TomJ> ok i'll look at it, thanks for your help
[19:41:47] <CosmicDJ> good luck
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[20:03:12] <h3sp4wn> Does anyone know anything about the early access xvm paravirtualised windows drivers
[20:04:06] <PaulR_> after I have installed a xen guest and I have shut it down...is there a way to manually mount the filesystem that the xen guest is using?
[20:04:08] <h3sp4wn> (Well more than how to click with a mouse though a windows installer
[20:05:37] <h3sp4wn> Depends on which filesystem it is you can mount stuff on zvols or images but you would need the filesystem driver
[20:06:10] <PaulR_>  /dev/zvol/dsk/newpool/opensolaris-xen1 - that's where xen installed
[20:06:20] <PaulR_> so I'd like to mount that and see the filesystem
[20:06:26] <PaulR_> is that possible?
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[20:17:35] <hippie> hi ..can help me with broadcom BCM 94331 ..(sorry for my bad english)
[20:19:10] <gerard13> sorry TomJ i was absent during a moment, i look at your suggestions now
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[20:36:55] <tsoome> any with SC+zfs experience?
[20:37:26] <Asako> SC?
[20:37:34] <tsoome> sun cluster
[20:37:44] <Asako> ah, not me then
[20:38:54] <tsoome> or zfs on top of some nice disk array:)
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[20:39:34] <PaulR_>  are you trying to do with zfs and cluster?
[20:39:55] <sommerfeld> for zfs, a "nice disk array" would be a jbod for capacity plus a modest number of ssd's for speed.
[20:40:09] <tsoome> well.....
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[20:40:42] <tsoome> u may be in trouble finding that in enterprise environment when most storage is accessible via SAN;)
[20:40:50] <tomj_> CosmicDJ: if you're still there, I cut my ipnat and ipf down to bare minimum, with no improvement: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1221944
[20:42:07] <tsoome> but well, the actual question is, if the disk cache issue is still there on whole disk versus slice configuration:)
[20:43:11] <tsoome> in case if there is a lun from disk array, not the physical disk
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[20:47:05] <sommerfeld> what "disk cache issue" ?
[20:47:15] <sommerfeld> or, "which disk cache issue" ?
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[20:47:53] <tsoome> well, on physical disk the cache is blocked if you will allocate slice for zfs
[20:48:34] <tomj_> CosmicDJ: although I'e just noticed that a Windows client on the LAN can FTP into that site,  and the Linux client I was testing from can FTP into other sites OK
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[21:01:36] <CosmicDJ> tomj_: so everything is working now?
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[21:05:56] <mshadle> can anyone here vouch for any of these chipsets in the latest nevada: http://forums.opensolaris.com/thread.jspa?threadID=596
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[21:11:51] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: it's all a bit weird really.  For example,  ftp.kernel.org,  from the Solaris host it doesn't work unless in passive mode, but seems fine otherwise.  from Linux client,  I can cd and ls around until I get to /pub/software/utils/pciutils which has a long directory listing, and it just hangs half way through the listing
[21:12:04] <TomJ> Linux also in passive, that is
[21:12:42] <mshadle> if anyone knows of a mobo with 8+ onboard SATA that works well with nevada, that would help me even better
[21:13:09] <TomJ> mshadle: I dont, but the Marvell SATA2 controllers are good, e.g. Supermicro SAT2-MV8 card.  8 SATA2 ports for about $80
[21:13:12] <TomJ> PCI-X
[21:13:23] <mshadle> i already am going to get the lsi-usas 8 port pci-e card
[21:13:32] <evocallaghan> Tyan MB's +1
[21:13:42] <mshadle> i dont think tyan has any 8 sata onboard
[21:14:18] <mshadle> i just want to make sure the nic chipset works and the sata chipset works. it's going to be used 100% for  home storage using zfs. no graphic stuff needed, etc
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[21:14:59] <TomJ> http://supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DPL-TGM.cfm
[21:15:12] <mshadle> i have a plan to get 8 onboard + 8 on card for 16 total and that will work
[21:15:13] <evocallaghan> mshadle:Tyan is the go ! I use them for just that
[21:15:16] <TomJ> http://supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/Opteron/nforce/H8DCE-HTe.cfm
[21:15:18] <mshadle> if i have less than 8 onboard..
[21:15:51] <mshadle> tomj: both of those will work properly with nevada?
[21:15:55] <TomJ> probably
[21:16:23] <evocallaghan> http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=613 this has 6
[21:16:30] <TomJ> supermicro is generally well supported, I use supermicro with Solaris 10 a lot
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[21:16:59] <mshadle> hrm. "probably" scares me a little :P i hate ordering online, getting it, finding out it sucks, then having to RMA
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[21:17:14] <benley> there's always the "give lots of money to Sun" option
[21:17:17] <TomJ> google the chipsets then
[21:17:43] <TomJ> as I say, if in doubt I'd just get one or two Supermicro SAT2-MV8 cards
[21:17:50] <TomJ> are you mix and matching SAS drives with your SATA?
[21:18:08] <H4nta> does zfs require a raid-z configuration? in other words does a pool always need a drive for parity?
[21:18:18] <TomJ> H4nta: raid0, raid1, raid10, raid5, raid6
[21:18:19] <mshadle> no it will be only SATA
[21:18:27] <TomJ> mshadle: then why buy a SAS card?
[21:18:47] <evocallaghan> H4nta: no.. read the docs on zfs. Its all very clear
[21:19:27] <TomJ> personally my server is a dual Opteron Tyan motherboard, with 2 x Supermicro 8 port SATA cards and 16 400gb SATA drives
[21:19:30] <TomJ> tis nice.
[21:19:33] <mshadle> it's well-recommended and it's pci-e. most mobos i was looking at have absolutely no pci-x
[21:19:46] <TomJ> really?
[21:19:55] <mshadle> i dont need anything crazy, single proc is fine with me. i built a dual-proc opteron a long time ago using a tyan mobo
[21:19:58] <TomJ> odd, i havent looked at any mobo that didnt have pci-x
[21:19:59] <mshadle> i want silence
[21:20:11] <mshadle> im looking at consumer mobos - not server typically
[21:20:17] <mshadle> or workstation
[21:20:27] <mshadle> most consumer mobos dont have pci-x :)
[21:20:57] <mshadle> and you can use the usas controller with the right cables with sata perfectly under solaris (you just have to manually track the device numbers)
[21:21:08] <TomJ> sure, it's just you're paying extra for it being SAS but you're not going to use it
[21:21:16] <mshadle> it's not much more
[21:21:21] <TomJ> how much is that LSI card?
[21:21:40] <mshadle> i dont remember but it wasnt much more than the pci-x
[21:21:51] <mshadle> it was a s upermicro card i think
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[21:22:02] <TomJ> what's the model number?
[21:22:47] <evocallaghan> Them disks are going to be making a far bit of noise
[21:22:53] <TomJ> this one?  http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home/host_bus_adapters/sas_hbas/lsisas3081er/index.html
[21:23:00] <mshadle> im getting an insulated case, as much as i can
[21:23:06] <TomJ> and yeah, haing a 'quiet' 16 drive PC is insane :)
[21:23:10] <TomJ> bury it in concrete maybe
[21:23:23] <TomJ> you need a bunch of fans and a whopping PSU, or two or three small PSUs
[21:23:43] <mshadle> SAS PCI-e version AOC-USAS-L8i $130 - http://www.acmemicro.com/estore/merchant.ihtml?pid=5388&lastcatid=227&step=4
[21:23:57] <mshadle> then 2 ipass cables which are not too bad
[21:24:06] <mshadle> the pci-x card was $95 at the time of that
[21:24:15] <TomJ> oh, you said LSI
[21:24:25] <mshadle> sorry, i think it has lsi in the model number on one of these
[21:24:39] <mshadle> no it doesnt. im stupid
[21:24:43] <evocallaghan> mshadle: You may want to consider putting it under the stears or up in the roof or something
[21:24:50] <TomJ> ok the card looks good, you're right only $40 or so more than the SATA
[21:24:51] <mshadle> i see the USASL8i and somehoe make it into that
[21:25:50] <mshadle> the ambient noise from the disks is the only ting i expect to be not too contollable. but the majority of the disks (10 i believe) will be buried inside of noise-dampening/anti-vibration trays inside of a noise dampened case
[21:26:00] <TomJ> good luck with that :)
[21:26:08] <evocallaghan> lol !!
[21:26:14] <mshadle> im just trying to find the right mobo so i can go forward with the rest of the pruchases
[21:26:17] <TomJ> anyway, bear in mind you're far more likely to find a 'server' motherboard that is supported with solaris than consumer
[21:26:20] <TomJ> not that it's impossible
[21:26:26] <evocallaghan> avoid that supermicro with the fans on the chipset
[21:26:31] <TomJ> just you limit your choices, particularly as it must have 8 sata ports
[21:26:37] <mshadle> yah i am using a consomer one right now it works great but only 6 sata
[21:26:38] <e^ipi> oh whatever, just get some nforce board
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[21:26:47] <e^ipi> as cheap as possible
[21:26:56] <e^ipi> or buy intel
[21:27:00] <e^ipi> as much intel as possible
[21:27:03] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:+1 for nforce
[21:27:11] <evocallaghan> That is what I was saying
[21:27:18] <evocallaghan> Tyan make some good ones
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[21:27:31] <e^ipi> intel's chipsets are well supported, nforce (4?) is what sun ships in their amd kit
[21:27:47] <e^ipi> who puts all the stuff together is almost entirely irrelevant
[21:27:49] <evocallaghan> AMD w/ nforce + a LSI card
[21:28:00] <e^ipi> it's like buying a 'dell' or an 'hp'
[21:28:14] <evocallaghan> Intel -1
[21:28:33] <evocallaghan> I have 4 Intel boxes here and nothing but problems !
[21:28:34] <e^ipi> meh, intel's well supported and pretty zippy
[21:28:43] <fraggeln> has anyone tried 2008.05 with a Radeon Xpress 200G Series card?
[21:28:46] <evocallaghan> drivers are slow..
[21:28:55] <Doc> yeah, intel sucks - that why very few compusers use them
[21:29:01] <e^ipi> heh
[21:29:04] <fraggeln> I cant get it to work in a proper way :(
[21:29:12] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:not really! I some had luke with there SATA stuff
[21:29:43] <e^ipi> fraggeln: ati hates you. their drivers are almost always crap
[21:29:59] <evocallaghan> fraggeln:Try the 2008.11 snv_98 iso
[21:30:14] <e^ipi> fraggeln: no solaris or bsd drivers at all, and even their linux/windows drivers are pretty crap
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[21:30:37] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:There _are_ drivers based on the AtomBIOS now ..
[21:31:20] <tomj_> don't know if this sent before I died:
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[21:31:23] <tomj_> mshadle: so do not rule out the possibility of buying a normal server mobo with 2 x pci-x  (maybe $150?) and two Supermicro 8 port SATA cards
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[21:32:05] <fraggeln> evocallaghan: i tried to install the 86-version, and tried to upgrade, but that didnt help
[21:32:27] <fraggeln> evocallaghan: there can I get that iso? i only found the -86-version on opensolaris.com
[21:34:47] <evocallaghan> fraggeln:http://dlc.sun.com/torrents/i
[21:34:55] <evocallaghan> http://dlc.sun.com/torrents/info
[21:34:58] <evocallaghan> oops
[21:36:33] <gerard13> is there compiz for the latest solaris express?
[21:41:20] <evocallaghan> yes
[21:41:30] <gerard13> ok, i found it
[21:41:41] <gerard13> i love it
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[21:43:23] <ondre> does anyone here get laid more often than they reboot?
[21:43:35] <fraggeln> ondre: no, i use windows :D
[21:43:54] <fraggeln> my dick would fell off if i get laid more then 5 times / day :D
[21:44:26] <ondre> lol
[21:44:46] <ondre> http://www.imagepoop.com/images/i_reboot_as_much_as_i_get_laid.jpg
[21:44:56] <fraggeln> ondre: but on the other hand.
[21:44:57] <fraggeln> bash-2.03$ uptime 9:45pm  up 1356 day(s),  4:52,  2 users,  load average: 0.09, 0.16, 0.31
[21:45:10] <fraggeln> i managet to get 2 kids during that uptime, so :D
[21:45:17] <fraggeln> managed..
[21:45:36] <ondre> lol
[21:45:50] <ondre> hrm my sunray servers have to reboot about once a month
[21:46:05] <fraggeln> that box is a v440 :)
[21:46:11] <fraggeln> running solaris8 :)
[21:46:12] <ondre> ah nice eol hardware
[21:46:15] <ondre> nice eol os :)
[21:46:35] <fraggeln> well, it gets the job done :)
[21:51:57] <evocallaghan> wow cool. check these out http://www.ebuyer.com/product/150183
[21:52:18] <evocallaghan> wonder if snv_100 would work out the box on that bad boy ?
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[21:56:59] <tomww> probably it needs a special driver for the "Anti-Bacterial Keyboard"
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[21:59:28] <CIA-25> Sherry Moore <Sherry.Moore at Sun dot COM>: 6756520 mdboot should continue to call reset_leaves() for regular reboot
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[22:08:55] <xRaich[o]2x> so leute ich roll mich mal in die poofe
[22:09:04] <xRaich[o]2x> ups wrong window :P
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[22:21:09] <evocallaghan> tomww:lol ! where does it say that ?
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[22:29:40] <evocallaghan> Has anyone got the Sun VDI software to work with vbox ?
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[22:41:01] <tomww> evocallaghan: how should a ABK work other then by a special driver (:
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[22:51:45] <evocallaghan> :p
[22:52:06] <evocallaghan> tomww:Have you used Sun VDI software ?
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[22:59:29] <CIA-25> Gordon Ross <Gordon.Ross at Sun dot COM>: 6647758 SMB over plain-TCP (port 445)
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[23:09:41] <evocallaghan> I don't get it; Sun VDI software _require_ ESX Server ?
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[23:36:58] <ZOP> here's a good one
[23:37:00] <ZOP> Sun Studio 12
[23:37:01] <ZOP> bash-3.2# ./installer -nodisplay
[23:37:01] <ZOP> ./installer: install-sparc-S2/installer: does not exist
[23:37:02] <ZOP> heh
[23:37:08] <ZOP> bash-3.2# uname -i
[23:37:08] <ZOP> i86xpv
[23:37:09] <ZOP> :)
[23:37:27] <mib_1m5lba> burp
[23:37:32] <ZOP> yeah.
[23:37:53] <ZOP> they're not following their own dogfood on using isainfo and not uname.
[23:38:06] <e^ipi> yeah, i ran in to that one too
[23:38:30] <e^ipi> they're also assuming that if you're not i86pc you must be sparc
[23:38:58] <e^ipi> rather than testing if a condition is true
[23:39:31] <ZOP> yeah.
[23:39:58] <ZOP> trying to decide if i should boot out of the xVM kernel to install, or try making a change to the installer and see what happens.
[23:40:09] <e^ipi> it's one condition
[23:40:17] <e^ipi> you can just change it
[23:40:24] <ZOP> yeah?  it doesnt' trip up later in the installer?
[23:40:28] <e^ipi> nope
[23:40:32] <ZOP> ok cool.
[23:40:41] <ZOP> not that it matters i'd just zfs snapshot ....
[23:40:46] <ZOP> zfs rollback ;)
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[23:43:53] <tomww> evocallaghan: no, never used VDI deliberately
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[23:49:43] <evocallaghan> ok thanks
[23:50:32] <tnelson> Hey, so, I've got a reasonably fresh install of Solaris 10 with literally every single package installed.
[23:50:45] <tnelson> root's PATH defaults to:
[23:50:54] <tnelson>  /usr/sbin:/usr/bin:.
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[23:51:32] <e^ipi> yes.
[23:51:33] <tnelson> Can anyone point me at a comprehensive PATH with all the /usr/(sfw|ucb)/bin bells and whistles?
[23:51:51] <evocallaghan> Is it ok to change the root shell to /bin/ksh93 . I do this but not sure if its a good idea ?
[23:52:04] <tnelson> (I'm not used to Solaris so /usr/(sfw|ucb) seem foreign to me -- wondering how many other things I'm missing, like /usr/lib/nis, etc.)
[23:52:04] <e^ipi> yeah, it's fine
[23:52:21] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Thanks
[23:52:58] <e^ipi> tnelson: this is my $PATH
[23:53:00] <e^ipi> /usr/xpg4/bin:/usr/xpg6/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/usr/sfw/bin:/usr/gnu/bin
[23:53:03] <evocallaghan> tnelson:In answer to your question, you prob should not be logged into root. But ..
[23:53:05] <ZOP> heh.  thwarted by a patch attempt.
[23:53:08] <evocallaghan> never mind .. :p
[23:53:24] <tnelson> Yeah, I know, I'm in the process of trying to integrate the box into my LDAP environment.
[23:53:42] <tnelson> e^ipi: cheers, I was hoping someone would paste something like that ;>
[23:53:56] <e^ipi> xpg(4|6) are the SUS standards compliant utils, you can probably leave the X stuff out
[23:53:58] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Why do you guys keep /opt/sfw around ?
[23:54:10] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: where do you see /opt/sfw?
[23:54:36] <evocallaghan> Ah good ! Its not in your PATH :D
[23:54:50] <evocallaghan> That's the same as how I got mine setup :D
[23:55:31] <e^ipi> it's maybe a little bit deceptive, since first priority goes to the ksh93 builtins
[23:55:35] <e^ipi> ( and there are a lot of them )
[23:55:38] <tnelson> So uhm, heh, is there an equivalent for 'vipw' or 'chsh'?
[23:56:04] <e^ipi> tnelson: for now... there isn't one
[23:56:12] <e^ipi> i wrote one, but you gotta be root to install it
[23:56:13] <e^ipi> http://cr.opensolaris.org/~error404/chsh/
[23:56:14] <tnelson> (Or: how do I change root's login shell?  Just edit /etc/passwd?)
[23:56:29] <e^ipi> usermod(1M)
[23:56:34] <e^ipi> if you've got root already
[23:56:57] <e^ipi> my chsh needs modification before it can become part of solaris
[23:57:04] <e^ipi> so stay tuned on that one
[23:57:30] <irish_bugger> how do you get a box to authenticate to ldap?
[23:57:35] <irish_bugger> anyway
[23:57:44] <e^ipi> google://solaris+ldap+auth
[23:57:46] <ZOP> well that failed miserably.
[23:58:05] <irish_bugger> why ldap instead of somehow querying mysql or a rel db?
[23:58:13] <irish_bugger> seems liek one more hunk of shti to worry about
[23:58:23] <evocallaghan> usermod -s /bin/ksh98 me
[23:58:27] <MindDrive> That's.... really strange.  I set up OpenGrok on a checked out version of our repository here, and if I try to search on anything that has an underscore in it, I get a " java.io.IOExecption: Permission denied" error.  Has anyone else seen this before?
[23:58:41] <ZOP> irish_bugger: because a lot of places already have LDAP installed, and LDAP provides security that a simple relationsal DB generally doesn't.
[23:59:03] <e^ipi> not to mention that compared to ldap, RDBMS's are pigs
[23:59:05] <ZOP> irish_bugger: eg, not exposing users passwords or admin stuff to anyone.  users can change their own passwords by knowing their password.
[23:59:12] <ZOP> irish_bugger: an....
[23:59:21] <ZOP> e^ipi beat me to my last point. :)
[23:59:36] <ZOP> heh.  and apparently rollback is broken too.
[23:59:48] <e^ipi> they're also conceptually different
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