[00:00:12] <corpvicle> lets hope it wakes up
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[00:01:02] <xtrondo> ZOP: I can also sent to you b90 package, if you prefer
[00:01:18] <ZOP> wow i'd LOVE to know the bug that caused that. because the MTU change fixed it.
[00:01:55] <ZOP> xtrondo: that'd be helpful if you don't mind, and if there's a corresponding bug ID I can follow for a fix too.... mloftis at wgops dot com
[00:02:03] <ZOP> (i doubt it's more than like a meg in size yes?)
[00:03:25] <ZOP> i don't even know how to describe this bug heh.  but we've definitely seen similar issues on Linux so it's some sort of quirk with intel's drivers and chipset revisions.
[00:04:02] <xtrondo> ZOP: bug ID is 6710496, and you need package from b87 not b90, b90 already have that bug also
[00:04:09] <codestr0m> ok.. well.. I think FF deserves a bit of credit for still running "normally" I thought I only had 100tabs.. I'm looking at closing "some" and it's more like 300 (not kidding)
[00:04:30] <xtrondo> ZOP: b88 seems 1st build to hit that one
[00:05:27] <ZOP> xtrondo: i also noticed some weird freezing in nexenta, and they're based mostly off of later (post b87) builds too.
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[00:09:06] <ZOP> xtrondo: thanks a bunch.  i noticed it during install but since there's no shell there I couldn't look at it, then had booting problems (stupid x86 BIOS needs to DIE DIE DIE)
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[00:12:54] <smtms> if Microsoft Windows supports it well-enough, and it doesn't cost much, they will
[00:13:04] <xtrondo> ZOP: you are welcome ,let me know if you want package from b87
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[00:13:49] <benley> smtms: afaik vista can install on efi systems, but not XP
[00:13:58] <benley> smtms: unless they have traditional bios emulation stuff on them
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[00:15:02] <benley> aha, XP64 supports EFI too
[00:15:08] <benley> supposedly
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[00:16:18] <benley> I'm finding conflicting info on vista with EFI
[00:16:22] <benley> might or might not work.
[00:16:44] <benley> oh well.  EFI is still The Mysterious Future.
[00:17:42] * benley wonders what sort of firmware sun has on their x86 systems
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[00:18:02] <coffman> benley: pc bios ofc
[00:18:09] <benley> ofc?
[00:18:35] <coffman> do you realy think sun will chip there multi purpose x86 systems with something else?
[00:18:43] <coffman> *ship
[00:19:22] <benley> hell if I know
[00:19:52] <coffman> since they support other operating systems on them, they cant
[00:20:00] <benley> Apple's stuff is EFI with a bios emulation layer ... they support other OSes
[00:20:08] <benley> Sun could have been doing the same thing for all I knew
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[00:20:39] <coffman> benley: well, if you want to look yourself in like apple did
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[00:21:01] <benley> coffman: not sure what you mean
[00:21:19] <benley> coffman: anyway, it's perfectly sensible for sun to use a regular(ish) PC bios.
[00:21:28] <coffman> benley: apple did that because they wanted to lock there os to there own hardware
[00:21:42] <benley> oh, sure
[00:21:58] <coffman> sun had to support pc bios anyways
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[00:22:17] <coffman> so why do there own firmware on there x86 line then?
[00:22:23] <codestr0m> anyone know how I can switch from vmix to softoss? I can't get the softoss module to load
[00:22:38] <_mary_kate_> coffman: i do wish they'd do a more serial-friendly BIOS firmware
[00:22:54] <_mary_kate_> even dell's is better than sun's, which seems to be basically unmodified from the oem
[00:22:54] <coffman> but hack, a better firmware then pc bios is needed
[00:23:22] <coffman> http://www.coreboot.org is a good aproch
[00:23:37] <ZOP> xtrondo: the package from b87 would be awesome.  i'm really jsut getting started with OpenSolaris so I don't know where to find most things right now.
[00:24:10] <coffman> i like to have every pice of software available in source, this also includes the bios
[00:24:27] <ZOP> benley: no there's no emulation layer in the EFI at all
[00:24:52] <benley> ZOP: the bios emulation stuff is optional
[00:24:54] <ZOP> benley: they support XP via bootcamp which is just an emulation boot layer for windows, idk if anyone has gotten it to start anything but windows via bootcamp.
[00:25:30] <benley> ZOP: are you sure? I thought linux and such installed using exactly the same bios emulation stuff.
[00:25:43] <ZOP> _mary_kate_: COMBIOS is decent.  but it's still BIOS....you plug in an adapter and there's still something like a 50/50 chance that the adapters firmware will be handitarded and not work over serial :/
[00:25:44] <benley> ZOP: which is why it got so much easier to run linux on x86 macs after they introduced bootcamp.
[00:26:06] <ZOP> benley: yeah but i dont' think it's actually part of the hardware, but of bootcamp itself.
[00:26:41] <_mary_kate_> ZOP: all our Sun systems have either onboard or sun-provided controllers, and i imagine that's true for a lot of users
[00:26:56] <benley> ZOP: it's in their firmware.
[00:27:06] <benley> ZOP: (they actually ship their machines with this stuff installed by default now)
[00:27:19] <benley> ZOP: 'bootcamp' nowadays is basically just a drivers CD for windows
[00:28:13] <coffman> ZOP: actually bootcamp is an pc bios emulation and you can boot other operating systems
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[00:29:30] <ZOP> coffman: i know that bit, but what benley is saying is that it's not bootcamp, that the bios emulation is part of the EFI firmware, not bootcamp, bootcamp just enables it.
[00:29:36] <ZOP> i'm not really sure now heh
[00:29:39] <ZOP> i'd have to look into it
[00:29:48] <ZOP> xtrondo: bah dcc fail :/
[00:30:07] <coffman> ZOP: bootcamp is a plugin to efi
[00:30:20] <coffman> or better
[00:30:31] <coffman> the firmware that apple uses
[00:30:45] <coffman> which is build on the efi standard
[00:32:27] <ZOP> xtrondo: it isn't going to work, either my bouncer is broken or it's having an issue bouncing to my laptop off network.
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[00:43:02] <evocallaghan> Anyone from the IPS release team here? Why no IPS 99 yet..? I would like to get on with testing
[00:45:17] <tekprep> hey how would i watch zpool iostat
[00:45:30] <tekprep> without having to hit arrow up enter all the time to repeat the command
[00:46:19] <evocallaghan> tekprep:zpool iostat mypool 5
[00:47:42] <tekprep> but i want to not have to hit arrow up enter
[00:47:46] <tekprep> to keep refreshing it
[00:47:56] <tekprep> is there a way to watch it update automatically
[00:47:57] <benley> tekprep: zpool iostat 5
[00:47:58] <corpvicle> ...
[00:48:01] <tekprep> oh lol
[00:48:02] <McBofh> tekprep: if you rtfm you'd see that
[00:48:17] <McBofh> that last arg on the line ("5") is the number of seconds between updates
[00:48:32] <corpvicle> also, the result you get from running it once is probably not what you want
[00:48:49] <McBofh> so the results you'll see - when you try it - should be divided by that number (5 in this case) to get the per-second rates
[00:48:51] <tekprep> i am watching a large file transfer
[00:48:53] <tekprep> 20gigs
[00:50:45] <McBofh> geez, this is disappointing - a (zfs send |ssh remote zfs recv) of ~880Mb across my wifi link took 18.5mins, at around 814kb/sec
[00:50:49] <McBofh> :(
[00:51:07] <tekprep> wifi sucks
[00:51:12] <McBofh> yah
[00:51:23] <tekprep> unless you use wireless N
[00:51:29] <tekprep> i have seen some spectacular speeds with N
[00:51:30] <McBofh> there's 1 metre between the AP and the receiver
[00:51:31] <corpvicle> i need to read up on zfs
[00:51:37] <corpvicle> i mean ... "zfs send" wtf ?
[00:51:43] <xRaich[o]2x> night folks
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[00:51:49] <tekprep> zfs send / zfs recieve
[00:51:55] <corpvicle> crazy stuff
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[00:52:06] <McBofh> corpsicle: create a snapshot, then send it to another system
[00:52:10] <tekprep> i find sending anything over SSH is hard on the CPU
[00:52:24] <corpvicle> McBofh : i figured ;)
[00:52:25] <tekprep> encrypting packets that fast can really put a burdon on the system
[00:52:31] <McBofh> core2duo @ 2.2GHz
[00:52:44] <tekprep> i have a dual 2.4ghz opteron
[00:52:59] <corpvicle> core2quad @ 3.2GHz
[00:53:00] <corpvicle> o_O
[00:53:05] <tekprep> heh
[00:53:10] <tekprep> you spent 1500 on a cpu ?
[00:53:14] <tekprep> are you crazy ?
[00:53:15] <corpvicle> no
[00:53:20] <corpvicle> i bought a 2.4 and overclocked it =P
[00:53:25] <McBofh> correction -my laptop (receiving the stream) is the core2duo @ 2.2G, the sender is my u40m2, dual-proc dual-core Opteron @3Ghz
[00:53:43] <tekprep> very nice
[00:53:52] <tekprep> McBofh, why do you not like iSCSI ?
[00:54:02] <tekprep> McBofh, you said shame on me the other day for using iSCSI
[00:54:12] <McBofh> tekprep: I was joshing
[00:54:20] <tekprep> ahh
[00:54:22] <McBofh> it's a perfectly acceptable thing to use, if that's appropriate for you
[00:54:26] <McBofh> me, i really dislike it
[00:54:35] <McBofh> but I've been working with SCSI, FC and SAS for years
[00:54:35] <tekprep> i wonder why
[00:55:00] <McBofh> I see iSCSI chiefly as a way of introducing network stupidities to what is a really nice transport protocol
[00:55:05] <McBofh> and thus unnecessary
[00:55:12] <corpvicle> i find iscsi implementations can be a bit didgt, and all are very different
[00:55:16] <corpvicle> both server and client wise
[00:55:20] <tekprep> but iSCSI is great for clustered FIle Systems
[00:55:24] <corpvicle> didgt == dodgy
[00:55:25] <corpvicle> =P
[00:55:30] <McBofh> corpsicle: figured :)
[00:55:35] <corpvicle> lol
[00:55:48] <tekprep> and i say again... ->but iSCSI is great for clustered FIle Systems
[00:55:49] <McBofh> tekprep: how many Clustered FS have you had to recover when a customer has fucked them up?
[00:55:59] <corpvicle> but really, the server we use at work doesnt follow the RFC for iqn names
[00:56:06] <tekprep> McBofh, my customers don't know wtf a clustered file system is
[00:56:16] <tekprep> McBofh, and 2 backup, backup, and more backup
[00:56:19] <corpvicle> the linux client and solaris clients we use are completely different and doesnt even support the same functionality
[00:56:27] <McBofh> corpsicle: bugger
[00:56:31] <McBofh> that'll make things difficult
[00:56:34] <corpvicle> yea
[00:56:47] <corpvicle> linux has "iscsi-kill-session" which is great
[00:56:52] <corpvicle> solaris doesnt have anything like that
[00:57:13] <tekprep> ?
[00:57:21] <tekprep> iscsitadm
[00:57:24] <corpvicle> yea
[00:57:31] <corpvicle> but how do you kill a specific session
[00:57:36] <corpvicle> not based on LUN's
[00:57:50] <McBofh> tekprep: backups are easy, it's *restores* that nobody bothers to test, except when they're looking to get back from a disaster :)
[00:57:55] <tekprep> well you could ... block that IP:iscsi-port
[00:58:09] <tekprep> McBofh, and that is why ppl pay us to test backups
[00:58:26] <tekprep> McBofh, being an IT Consultant i have to find ways to make money.. and that is one of them
[00:58:28] <McBofh> :)
[00:59:09] <corpvicle> tekprep : how do you see the port for a specific session ?
[00:59:16] <tekprep> you don't
[00:59:20] <corpvicle> right
[00:59:20] <tekprep> its always the same port
[00:59:25] <tekprep> 678 or something iscsi is
[00:59:33] <tekprep> just block the IP and the iscsi-port
[00:59:36] <corpvicle> so that would kill all sessions towards one server
[00:59:39] <tekprep> true
[00:59:42] <corpvicle> right
[00:59:50] <corpvicle> still no solution then =)
[00:59:52] <tekprep> why not go to the server
[00:59:55] <tekprep> and stop it
[01:00:04] <corpvicle> because we cant bloody find a way to stop it =P
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[01:00:07] <corpvicle> its a SNAP server
[01:00:18] <tekprep> oh fun... NetApp
[01:00:25] <tekprep> i hate netapp
[01:00:35] * codestr0m pulls the power cord
[01:00:37] <corpvicle> i didnt want this! the it guys chose it
[01:00:44] <corpvicle> and now i pay
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[01:01:02] <corpvicle> i need to force people to specify LUN when they connect
[01:01:08] <corpvicle> and use CHAP
[01:01:18] <corpvicle> then this wouldnt happen
[01:01:37] <corpvicle> all servers are connecting to all shares which makes administration pure hell
[01:02:11] <corpvicle> anyway it 1am, i think its time for bed
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[01:02:26] <corpvicle> gonna read my dtrace book in bed ^_^
[01:05:40] <tekprep> corpsicle, did you log into the console
[01:05:53] <tekprep> corpsicle, do you know ontap
[01:06:10] <corpvicle> im not the admin of that particular machine unfortunately
[01:06:13] <corpvicle> and no i dont know ontap
[01:07:27] <pumpkin_> can I boot opensolaris on an EFI-based system (a mac pro?)
[01:08:04] <corpvicle> in parallels if nothing else =P
[01:08:09] <tekprep> omfg... holy sh*t balls
[01:08:15] <tekprep> zfs is mf'ing fast
[01:08:26] <tekprep> i noticed a difference already compaired to a raid-10 setup on linux
[01:08:30] <tekprep> and iscsi shares out
[01:08:48] <pumpkin_> corpvicle: lol, any other options? :P I'd prefer to boot it natively
[01:08:51] <ZOP> yeah i don't think MD does read load sharing for starters.
[01:09:04] <corpvicle> pumpkin_ : i dunno tbh, google it ?
[01:09:16] <tekprep> well i through an Exchange VM into the iscsi target of a ZFS box from a linux raid-10 box
[01:09:21] <tekprep> omfg... what a noticable difference
[01:09:32] <McBofh> tekprep: ZFS operates at near-enough-to platter speed as much as possible
[01:09:45] <tekprep> McBofh, this is fast dude
[01:09:50] <ZOP> and it does a very good job at that
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[01:09:59] <McBofh> tekprep: I know
[01:10:06] <ZOP> early on the single threaded checksums and block compressions hurt under high loads but thats all fixed.
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[01:12:44] <tekprep> i can not believe how fast the writes are with raidz2
[01:12:54] <McBofh> :)
[01:12:57] <tekprep> i am hitting almost 200MB/sec
[01:13:30] <ZOP> the other cool part, the machine is still responsive and stable
[01:13:37] <tekprep> yup
[01:13:37] <ZOP> IE if you start doing OTHER shit on that same volume
[01:13:41] <ZOP> you're not getting I/O starved
[01:13:43] <ZOP> like linux does
[01:13:51] <tekprep> i am noticing that
[01:13:57] <tekprep> i am transfering a VM server right now
[01:14:01] <tekprep> and the exchange vm that is running
[01:14:07] <tekprep> is not taking a performance hit
[01:14:22] <tekprep> but the front-end exchange server is slower becuase of how much read i am doing on the linux raid system
[01:15:09] <tekprep> the front-end server i didn't move yet
[01:15:22] <tekprep> the back-end server is on ZFS over iscsi to VMFS to esxi
[01:15:27] <ballChalk> where should i keep my zone files for bind?
[01:15:30] <tekprep> and its really fast still even tho i am writing to it
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[01:16:28] <McBofh> tekprep: friend of mine ran some tests on snv_86 and then upgraded to snv_98. He's got a 12disk raidz2 pool.     snv_86 write:  267 mb/sec vs snv_98 write:  307 mb/sec ;;  snv_86 read: 333mb/sec vs snv_98 388 mb/sec, and - get this - random seeks on snv_86 were 394/sec, but on snv_98 they were 599/sec
[01:16:44] <pumpkin_> I can install opensolaris without X11, right? I just need a headless machine to ssh into
[01:17:11] <tekprep> how do i team network cards ?
[01:17:13] <McBofh> pumpkin_: there's a difference between "not running X11" and "not installing X11"
[01:17:24] <tekprep> i want to see if i can get 400MB transfers
[01:17:39] <McBofh> pumpkin_: just do a full install, then run "svcadm disable cde-login" afterwards
[01:17:52] <pumpkin_> McBofh: well, I just want a minimal system, and can't really envision needing it, but I guess I can just do that
[01:17:59] <pumpkin_> okay, cool
[01:18:21] <ZOP> xtrondo: FYI, another 'work around' edit kernel/drv/e1000.conf, and change the max transmit unit size setting in the adapter config from 0 to say 1 or 3
[01:18:29] <McBofh> pumpkin_: install milax or OpenSolaris2008.05 then, rather than SXCE
[01:18:37] <ZOP> tried that since dladm is broken and doesn't set mtu hah
[01:18:43] <McBofh> tekprep: dunno about network cards
[01:18:56] <McBofh> tekprep: you could try increasing the kernel variable "maxphys" however
[01:19:06] <McBofh> that's the limit the maximum disk transfer size
[01:19:11] <pumpkin_> McBofh: what do those have over SXCE?
[01:19:20] <McBofh> pumpkin_: they're already minimised
[01:19:27] <pumpkin_> ah
[01:19:35] <pumpkin_> I'll probably wait until 2008.11 comes out
[01:19:35] <McBofh> minimising OpenSolaris _can_ be a real pain in the rear
[01:19:43] <pumpkin_> I don't have all the hardware I need yet anyway
[01:19:53] <McBofh> I think there are betas available already on dlc.sun.com
[01:19:58] <McBofh> tekprep: usually set to 56kb, I generally bump it to 4Mb
[01:23:06] <kRutOn> What is the java -server process used for?
[01:23:22] <McBofh> probably webconsole
[01:23:40] <McBofh> I tend to run    svcadm disable webconsole wbem basicreg   first thing after a fresh install
[01:23:50] <kRutOn> oh yeah, it is
[01:23:55] <Tpenta> morning glynn
[01:24:03] <Tpenta> damn lost in hoistory again
[01:24:13] <Tpenta> morning james
[01:24:22] <McBofh> hi Alan
[01:24:58] * Tpenta waits for the neurofen plus to kick in properly
[01:25:31] <tekprep> hmm
[01:25:39] <tekprep> this has made all of my VM's faster already
[01:25:40] <tekprep> i am happy
[01:25:45] <Tpenta> happy is good :)
[01:25:47] <tekprep> ty for helping make ZFS tho's who did
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[01:30:19] <_mary_kate_> McBofh: does maxphys help with zfs?
[01:31:58] <McBofh> _mary_kate_: because it's a variable for sd, which is an essential part of the picture
[01:32:08] <_mary_kate_> is that a 'yes'? :)
[01:32:12] <McBofh> yes
[01:32:25] <McBofh> sorry, misread your question, thought you'd asked "how does.."
[01:32:26] <McBofh> :)
[01:32:49] <_mary_kate_> not that i have any IDE disks, but if i did, does it also apply to cmdk?
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[01:37:06] <McBofh> _mary_kate_: I believe so
[01:38:18] <tekprep> lol i am transfering at 800Mbits per second
[01:39:11] <_mary_kate_> hmm, looks like i need to set sd_max_xfer_size too, in sd.conf
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[01:41:03] <coffman_> gar wtf
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[01:43:11] <coffman_> my system paniced
[01:43:19] <coffman_> on luupgrade
[01:43:22] <coffman_> wtf?
[01:43:55] <McBofh> coffman_: trying to go to 99?
[01:44:16] <coffman_> yeah
[01:44:45] <McBofh> did you rm your pre-99 LU packages and add the 99 versions?
[01:44:45] <_mary_kate_> does zfs need any tuning for general file/webserver workload?  i guess it's pretty much designed for that already, right?
[01:44:49] <ballChalk> does sun document where to put the bind zone files?
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[01:45:11] <McBofh> ballChalk: surely that's up to you? I don't believe there's a Standard Place(tm)
[01:45:12] <gnut> hi all
[01:45:15] <McBofh> _mary_kate_: not really, now
[01:45:34] <McBofh> coffman_: 6674815 panic: mod_hold_stub failure to load fs/dcfs on x86 and amd64
[01:45:40] <gnut> how do you manually delete a boot environment if some things are corrupted and you don't want those BEs anymore?
[01:45:55] <McBofh> iirc, with a -f
[01:45:59] <gnut> ludelete and ludelete -f are giving errors
[01:46:08] <McBofh> no idea then,sorry
[01:46:12] <coffman_> hr
[01:46:20] <McBofh> coffman_: there's a workaround in http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6674815
[01:46:35] <McBofh> once you've followed that, then you can lucreate and luupgrade
[01:47:53] <gnut> this never happened before, but when LU from 97 to 99, i can't seem to delete my old BEs
[01:48:27] <coffman_> McBofh: yeah, i forgot it gar
[01:50:32] <coffman_> gnut: paste the output on pastebin.ca or something
[01:50:48] <coffman_> and give the link to the channel
[01:50:58] <gnut> coffman_: okay.
[01:51:01] <coffman_> i got problems like that to since b95
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[01:53:16] <gnut> http://pastebin.ca/1219372
[01:53:33] <gnut> coffman_: did you solve your problems?
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[01:54:11] <timeless> gnut: one of the osol lists explained how to remove BEs a day or two ago
[01:54:31] <gnut> timeless: ah. that may be of interest. you remember which one?
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[01:55:28] <gnut> ah.. maybe i found the list. let me read the discussion
[01:55:35] <timeless> i'm only on 5 or so, probably osol discuss or xen
[01:55:47] <timeless> oh good
[01:56:40] <gnut> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=288652
[01:56:52] <gnut> so just remove the entries in /etc/lutab and then the INODE and ICF files?
[01:57:11] <gnut> for zfs BEs, just destroy the appropriate filesystems? then that's  it? no more popping up stray BEs?
[01:57:14] <gnut> let me try this
[01:58:47] <timeless> right thread :)
[01:59:10] <coffman_> gnut: got zones on that system?
[01:59:12] <_mary_kate_> gnut: deleting the fs won't make liveupgrade not see it, it'll just make it even more confused
[01:59:17] <_mary_kate_> you should also remove it from lutab
[01:59:23] <gnut> no zones
[01:59:30] <coffman_> strange
[01:59:53] <gnut> _mary_kate_: i deleted it from lutab, and then the INODE and ICF files in /etc/lu
[01:59:58] <gnut> i haven't deleted the fs yet.
[02:00:13] <gnut> i tried to, but it has a filesystem rpool/ROOT/b97@b99
[02:00:23] <gnut> i'm wondering whether that snapshot will be bad to delete since my current BE is b99
[02:00:29] <gnut> will it?
[02:00:56] <timeless> you probably want zfs promote
[02:01:16] <timeless> assuming the 99 came from that 97
[02:01:27] <gnut> 99 did come from 97
[02:01:32] <gnut> and 99 is worknig fine nown
[02:01:42] <gnut> s/nown/now; s/worknig/working
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[02:01:58] <gnut> i have two fs
[02:02:07] <gnut> rpool/ROOT/b99 and rpool/ROOT/b97@b99
[02:02:25] <coffman> gnut: rpool/ROOT/b99 is a clone of b97
[02:02:39] <timeless> what does zfs get orig .../b99 say
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[02:02:47] <timeless> err origin
[02:02:48] <coffman> you need to run zfs promote rpool/ROOT/b99
[02:03:08] <_mary_kate_> if his BE is already working fine, why promote it?
[02:03:14] <_mary_kate_> presumably he didn't boot from a snapshot..
[02:03:35] <coffman> _mary_kate_: he wants to delete the old be?
[02:03:40] <gnut> that's what I was thinking too
[02:03:44] <gnut> I was able to boot
[02:03:49] <gnut> into b99
[02:03:54] <gnut> am I booting off b97@b99? or b99?
[02:04:15] <gnut> I do want to delete the old BE. and lustatus is now clear and shows only b99
[02:04:20] <timeless> you don't usually run from snaps.. They're readonly
[02:04:23] <gnut> the only thing left I believe is the fs
[02:04:29] <ZOP> GAH.
[02:04:29] <gnut> timeless: okay.
[02:04:32] <ZOP> sun needs a dent to the head
[02:04:35] <timeless> run zfs get origin ...b99
[02:04:37] <gnut> so deleting b97@b99 should be cool, right?
[02:04:39] <ZOP> stupid cds doesn't let me paste the URL it spits out into wget
[02:04:44] <timeless> no
[02:05:00] <gnut> ah
[02:05:08] <coffman> gnut: you boot from /b99 which is a clone linked to /b97,based on the snapshot b97@b99
[02:05:13] <gnut> get origin shows rpool/ROOT/b99 has value rpool/ROOT/b97@b99
[02:05:21] <timeless> right
[02:05:23] <ZOP> is there any other place to download b99 images?
[02:05:28] <tekprep> anyone have this issue
[02:05:31] <tekprep> with zfs
[02:05:36] <tekprep> where is writes really really fast
[02:05:41] <timeless> to enable you to kill 97 you need to promote 99
[02:05:43] <coffman> ZOP: there is a wget work around
[02:05:46] <tekprep> and then it pauses for a few seconds
[02:05:51] <tekprep> where is writes really really fast and then it pauses for a few seconds
[02:06:07] <timeless> tek: it==?
[02:06:14] <tekprep> yes it
[02:06:16] <gnut> timeless: okay. will do that. but there is no auto promote in zfs ? when you kill a snapshot but some other fs refers to it, it doesn't do an auto promote?
[02:06:17] <_mary_kate_> tekprep: it's probably caching the writes
[02:06:19] <timeless> the os, or task?
[02:06:32] <tekprep> _mary_kate_; is that ok ?
[02:06:39] <tekprep> _mary_kate_, or should i turn that off ?
[02:06:42] <coffman> gnut: this is something ludelete should do for you...
[02:06:56] <timeless> gnut: *shrug* i wouldn't want autos for destructive tasks
[02:06:59] <_mary_kate_> tekprep: caching makes things faster
[02:07:08] <tekprep> ok
[02:07:18] <gnut> i tried to promote b99 and it says "cannot promote 'rpool/ROOT/b99': not a cloned filesystem"
[02:07:32] <coffman> tekprep: zfs caches like made, till you cache is full and then it has to write it to disk
[02:07:35] <gnut> ah wait
[02:07:36] * timeless ponders
[02:07:36] <gnut> sorry
[02:07:41] <gnut> that was the wrong machine :)
[02:07:43] <gnut> hehe... sorry
[02:07:45] <coffman> lol
[02:07:46] <gnut> yeah
[02:07:47] <gnut> it promotes now
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[02:08:32] <gnut> excellente... it is now not linked to b97@b99 and I can delete b97 without it asking me to use -f
[02:08:32] <timeless> ok, 97 should be able to die...
[02:08:45] <coffman> "oh i was on the wrong machine, that was the production system"
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[02:08:51] <timeless> anyway, that thread should eventually cover why ludel fails
[02:09:05] <gnut> thanks all for your help
[02:09:15] <ZOP> gah.  nevermind i think i'm just going to have to ditch OpenSolaris until they fix these e1000 bugs.
[02:09:20] <timeless> coffman: i've been there when an admin said that
[02:09:42] <timeless> `zop: eh?
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[02:10:52] <timeless> coffman: we decided "oh well, we were going to do it a minute later anyway, let's continue" :)
[02:10:53] <gnut> speaking of zfs... what's a good way to backup zfs filesystems onto a separate disk that you can take offline? it doesn't have to be enterprise level backup.
[02:11:14] <gnut> i just take snapshots then send them to another pool that's on another disk
[02:11:23] <timeless> there's a way to get a stream...
[02:11:25] <ZOP> timeless: every single opensolaris based distro i've tried has lockups on the e1000g driver.  works fine for a while then just completely stops for minutes, then wakes up and starts working again.
[02:11:40] <gnut> yeah. i use zfs send
[02:12:24] <timeless> hrm, i've run osol for >2yrs w/ that driver, and never had that problem
[02:12:48] <gnut> but now when i want to do a future backup, i don't want to double the space, so i can do an incremental, but does that mean that i have to always keep the original snapshots on my current system?
[02:12:52] <timeless> zop: mdb :)
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[02:13:25] <timeless> gnut: that's a bridge i haven't crossed yet
[02:13:45] <timeless> it's on a list... Below upgrading from snv5x
[02:13:45] <gnut> timeless: heh. thanks though for your help. i'll check this method out when i get to work on monday.
[02:14:27] <timeless> i have started using rsync for stuff
[02:14:50] <ZOP> timeless: might be helpful if i had any idea where to start.
[02:14:50] <timeless> i basically rsync onto snapshot clones
[02:15:00] <gnut> cloning the whole system would be nice so if i hosed my system, i don't have to spend time choosing the apps again.
[02:15:05] <timeless> zop: there's an mdb guide
[02:15:22] <ZOP> timeless: plus when the e1000 goes away i'm stuck on a (rather dodgy) serial console.
[02:15:31] <timeless> and there are some examples of debugging drivers
[02:15:50] <ZOP> (damn thing somehow duplicates keystrokes)
[02:15:56] <timeless> zop: i'd probably stick in a second card if i worked in it
[02:17:32] <timeless> i'm in software and we're a linux shop, so i'd have trouble justifying much. Although i did add a wifi card (unsupported in snv59 or whatever i'm running) and i could probably borrow a usb ethernet thing (or bring one from home)
[02:18:06] <ZOP> timeless: is anyone besides intel making a solaris supported pci express card?
[02:18:48] <coffman> ZOP: marvll yukon
[02:23:14] <ZOP> also how to reopen a regressed bug?
[02:23:23] <ZOP> since the bug for MTUs is either still there or regressed for me.
[02:23:30] <ZOP> supposedly fixed in 95
[02:23:34] <ZOP> but it's definitely present in 97
[02:23:43] <ZOP> (as well as this other bug where the thing just dies randomly)
[02:24:03] <ZOP> coffman: i've never seen an add-in card with a marvell yukon set, just integrated motherboard stuff.
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[02:28:08] <coffman> ZOP: well, most other network vendors dont sell there cards under there own label
[02:28:33] <ZOP> chips and yes i know
[02:28:41] <coffman> ZOP: e1000 should work
[02:28:50] <ZOP> but like i said i don't recall seeing anything with a yukon on it,e xcept motherboards (i've got a couple)
[02:28:52] <coffman> might be a bad card
[02:28:52] <ZOP> it doesn't. work.
[02:28:55] <ZOP> thats the problem.
[02:28:58] <coffman> or bad system
[02:28:58] <ZOP> no it's not
[02:29:04] <ZOP> works in every other OS but OpenSolaris heh.
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[02:29:49] <e^ipi> have you tried /every/ other OS?
[02:29:55] <coffman> solaris is not every other os :P
[02:29:57] <e^ipi> openbsd? plan9? haiku?
[02:30:00] <ZOP> well no not every but Linux Windows and FreeBSD
[02:30:07] <ZOP> and it works fine under all of those.
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[02:30:56] <ZOP> I haven't tried Solaris 10 yet though, I might just to see if it is OpenSolaris or Solaris in general.
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[02:31:21] <coffman> ZOP: well, you might want to try sxce or solaris 10
[02:31:43] <ZOP> Ive only had OpenSolaris B97 and Nexenta 2.0a1 running as far as OpenSolaris goes, they both had hte issue so it's definitely atleast in OpenSol.
[02:32:04] <ZOP> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6698039 also still exists
[02:32:20] <ZOP> because i'm not working until i reduce my MTUs similar to the workarounds in related bugIDs
[02:32:25] <ZOP> (present in b97)
[02:32:56] <ZOP> (which was my ? about reopening a bug)
[02:33:24] <ZOP> i'm (very haltingly) trying to download b99 so I can try a liveupgrade from 97->99 to see if 99 helps any.
[02:33:48] <ZOP> if that's fail then i'll give SXCE a try, then if all else fails hopefully Sol 10 will work heh
[02:34:11] <ZOP> i really want to avoid using linux on this thing.
[02:34:39] <coffman> gar. lu fails me again
[02:34:57] <coffman> some one can make sense out of this: http://pastebin.ca/1219394
[02:35:10] <blahee> this "Marvell 8503" is yukon, right?
[02:35:56] <blahee> http://www.sunix.com.tw/it/en/Product_Detail.php?cate=2&class_a_id=35&sid=421 (makes a PCI-e card with this chip). I have one laying around somewhere, but i have never tested that in any machine
[02:36:11] <blahee> (maybe it's time now :)
[02:36:50] <ZOP> yeah i still haven't figured out how to get the PCIe riser into this 2U chassis either.
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[02:38:46] <ZOP> but that's solveable
[02:39:04] <evocallaghan> How does one tell fmadm faulty to clean up ?
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[02:47:27] <ZOP> fmadm repaired or fmadm replaced
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[02:51:49] <tekprep> hey
[02:51:53] <tekprep> did i mention how fast ZFS was ?
[02:51:56] <tekprep> over iscsi
[02:51:57] <tekprep> yet ?
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[02:58:38] <ZOP> liveupgrade + zfs for teh win.
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[03:02:38] <Yorlik> I don't understand one thing: Ihave a default gateway on my external nic, but everytime i fire up an internal nic with a netmask of 255.255.255.0 which is not a default router I always get a default route added into my routing table instead the plain 192.168.0.0 route of the internal network.
[03:03:09] <Yorlik> Its trying to use my internal NIC as another default. How can i stop that ?
[03:03:41] <tekprep> i have a wooddy
[03:03:49] <tekprep> wood-e
[03:04:12] <tekprep> this is as good or better than having a clarion or netapp device with the same hdd's
[03:04:17] <tekprep> i have never seen anything so nice in my life
[03:04:19] <tekprep> for free
[03:04:21] <tekprep> ever
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[03:06:32] <ZOP> Yorlik: uhm, might be your /etc/netmask?  what exactly is your netstat -rn output?  (pastebin.ca it if you can)
[03:06:46] <xtrondo> ZOP: if you want you can get SUNWintgige.tar.bz2 @ "anonymous" ftp x-factor.homeunix.net
[03:06:46] <Yorlik> oki - moment
[03:08:05] <Yorlik> ZOP: http://pastebin.com/d48cea29a
[03:08:09] <ZOP> xtrondo: cool thanks
[03:08:18] <ZOP> xtrondo: got it.
[03:08:37] <Yorlik> ZOPfor some reason 192.168.0.1 is not the gateway for 192.168.0.0/24
[03:09:10] <Yorlik> Ah .. I think igot it .. I need to specify the gateway option in the ifconfig, right ?
[03:09:13] <ZOP> yeah i see what you mean -- well it IS but it's also getting the default gw stuff
[03:09:22] <ZOP> 192.168.0.0          192.168.0.1          U         1          0 e1000g1
[03:09:25] <ZOP> see that line
[03:09:27] <evocallaghan> ZOP:Can't seem to get it to work
[03:09:30] <Yorlik> Yes. But it is not the gw for 192.168.0.0
[03:09:30] <ZOP> it's just ALSO adding a default route.
[03:09:38] <Yorlik> yup
[03:09:42] <evocallaghan> ZOP:What should a fmid look like ?
[03:09:51] <ZOP> yes it is
[03:09:52] <ZOP> 192.168.0.0          192.168.0.1          U         1          0 e1000g1
[03:10:02] <Yorlik> Should be UG
[03:10:08] <evocallaghan> Opps s/fmri
[03:10:45] <ZOP> i think G only gets set on the default gateway.
[03:10:50] <ZOP> esp since i have:
[03:10:54] <ZOP> 204.11.247.32        204.11.247.34        U         1        616 e1000g0
[03:11:09] <ZOP> connected
[03:11:17] <ZOP> not gateway, different flag/status.
[03:11:52] <ZOP> evocallaghan: you should be able to cut and paste it from your fmadm fault output
[03:12:20] <evocallaghan> ZOP:http://rafb.net/p/GAZ54y37.html
[03:12:41] <evocallaghan> I tired the EVENT-ID to no effect
[03:12:47] <ZOP> Yorlik: G is only for routes TO a gateway.
[03:12:58] <ZOP> (just RTFMed)
[03:13:22] <evocallaghan> It says
[03:13:25] <evocallaghan> [edward@opensolaris0805:~]> pfexec fmadm replaced 9e28a7d7-78b0-c6c7-e9df-895406f24529
[03:13:25] <evocallaghan> fmadm: failed to record replacement of 9e28a7d7-78b0-c6c7-e9df-895406f24529: specified resource is not known to be faulty
[03:13:40] <evocallaghan> I read the man page of coruse
[03:15:26] <ZOP> evocallaghan: hrm.  not used fmadm...but it should clear when you clear those ZFS problems I thought...
[03:15:50] <evocallaghan> ZOP:Yea, does not seem to be working for some reason :[
[03:16:03] <ZOP> whats your zpool status?  everything OK there?
[03:16:10] <evocallaghan> Yes
[03:16:33] <ZOP> OH!
[03:16:35] <ZOP>  try -r
[03:16:37] <ZOP> fmadm faulty -r
[03:16:53] <evocallaghan> Done that and it returns nothing
[03:17:11] <ZOP> OK sounds like maybe you've got a bug because -r is supposed ot list the corresponding FMRI's.
[03:17:24] <ZOP> (which I THINK in the case of ZFS faults is going to be the disk like c1t1d0
[03:17:26] <ZOP> )
[03:17:34] <evocallaghan> This freaking OpenSolaris distro
[03:17:57] <ZOP> and faulty should only list cirrent faults.
[03:18:00] <evocallaghan> Once SXCE snv_100 is out, I am going to fresh install
[03:18:02] <ZOP> *current
[03:18:29] <evocallaghan> I know.. I though I _could_ be missing something.
[03:18:37] <evocallaghan> Clearly not though
[03:18:50] <ZOP> yeah..i don't think you are heh
[03:21:42] <Yorlik> Yes ... I  just wish, how I could prevent the system from adding a default route to an interface which wasn't specified as havinga  default router nor being part of the net where the default router resides.
[03:21:52] <evocallaghan> ZOP:http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3725 Zing :p
[03:22:26] <e^ipi> and since it's on defect, it'll never ever get fixed
[03:22:51] <ZOP> Yorlik: what is in your /etc/defaultrouter?
[03:23:00] <ZOP> and how are you obtaining the 192.168 IP?
[03:23:02] <Yorlik> 81.2.189.161
[03:23:20] <Yorlik> and the netmask is 255.255.255.224
[03:23:25] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Why ?
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[03:23:37] <Yorlik> I don't understand why it is giving 192.168.0.1 a default route
[03:24:38] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Do you think that this should be refiled then ? http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3582
[03:24:50] <Yorlik> the second interface has no lan cable plugged. It simply used for internal traffic with zones. it is set up with ifconfig e1000g1 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
[03:25:05] <Yorlik> No idea why it gets a default route.
[03:25:28] <Yorlik> It appears every new interface gets a defaultroute
[03:25:37] <Yorlik> I must be missing something.
[03:27:10] <e^ipi> evocallaghan: because to putback to ON, one needs a bugster bug
[03:27:21] <e^ipi> and i don't think any ON people even check d.o.o
[03:27:37] <Yorlik> From common sense I'd expect the system just to route stuff through whichmatches the netmask
[03:27:57] <Yorlik> except a defined defaultroute.
[03:28:37] <Yorlik> It is as if it tells me: "Hey dude - nice you have a new NIC -  lets try to squeeze some stuff through ..."
[03:28:47] <Yorlik> Even if I didn't ask for it.
[03:29:57] <ZOP> /etc/defaultrouter.<interface>?  i can't remember if htats valid or not
[03:31:48] <Yorlik> I'll rtfm .. would be nice
[03:33:53] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Right, So I should refile it ?
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[03:36:01] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Becuase it says: "Please Note: If you wish to view or file bugs against any OpenSolaris distribution, please use defect.opensolaris.org."
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[03:40:06] <Yorlik> Does xvm siupport memory overcommitment ?
[03:40:21] <e^ipi> no, because that's retarded
[03:40:44] <Yorlik> Why do you think its retarded ?
[03:41:05] <e^ipi> because overselling your memory comes at a cost
[03:41:13] <Yorlik> Depends ...
[03:41:16] <e^ipi> in linux, that cost is the OOM killer
[03:41:28] <e^ipi> the stupidest solution to a bug they could've ever come up with
[03:41:58] <Yorlik> If you have activities at different times of the day or week it can work well ..
[03:42:05] <ZOP> yeah the oom killer is brokeb broken broken
[03:42:18] <ZOP> 90% of the time when it kicks in it just slays everything but the process causing the memory usage heh.
[03:42:30] <e^ipi> ZOP: just one more misfeature piled on to the heaping turd
[03:42:31] <Yorlik> lol
[03:43:04] <ZOP> we modified it in our 2.4 series kernel webservers so when it does trigger (rarely, and usually because of an httpd/apache bug) so it ONLY looks at RAM usage, and discounts any root processes, as well as optionally any process below a certain UID#.
[03:43:14] <ZOP> e^ipi: agreed.
[03:43:43] <ZOP> despite the pain in the ass it's being to get OpenSolaris going and the stumbling blocks i've hit, atleast when it works it works, and Solaris doesn't generally go backwards, like Linux has.
[03:44:21] <phrost> any idea which performs better- xvm or virtualbox for running an HVM guest?
[03:44:30] <e^ipi> probably xvm
[03:47:09] <coffman> "Upgrading Solaris: 7% completed"
[03:47:12] <coffman> zzZ
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[03:52:44] <tekprep> how do i start the krb5 daemon in solaris
[03:52:47] <tekprep> so i can join a domain
[03:52:50] <tekprep> an AD Domain
[03:53:38] <tekprep> nvm i joined
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[03:55:59] <e^ipi> tekprep: /topic
[03:57:31] <ZOP> Wow.  PC blu ray drives are affortable now.
[04:01:18] <tekprep> i have a question
[04:01:44] <tekprep> i have created a sharesmb with ZFS after i joined my server to the Active Directory domain
[04:01:48] <tekprep> the shares work and they show up
[04:01:53] <tekprep> any AD user can log in just fine
[04:02:02] <tekprep> BUT... when a user creates a directory or file on that share
[04:02:02] <ZOP> e^ipi: and this will sound stupid but whats IPS? lol
[04:02:17] <tekprep> only that user can edit or read the file or directory
[04:02:22] <tekprep> IPS = Intrusion Prevention System
[04:02:28] <e^ipi> network package thing
[04:02:31] <tekprep> it uses IDS
[04:02:36] <e^ipi> like apt
[04:02:41] <ZOP> i recognize/know what SXCE is, ON is, but IPS  i don't recognize.
[04:02:44] <ZOP> Ahhhhh
[04:02:44] <tekprep> its like snort with snort_inline
[04:02:46] <e^ipi> tekprep: /topic. for the love of god /topic.
[04:02:49] <e^ipi> read the /topic
[04:04:05] <ZOP> e^ipi: the new pkg(1) system.
[04:04:25] <ZOP> i know what an IPS is, and e^ipi is on the right track
[04:04:43] <ZOP> given teh context of this channel i was pretty certainly not meaning IPS/IDS. :)
[04:04:50] <e^ipi> ZOP: pkg(5) for the whole kit & caboodle
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[04:05:13] <ZOP> e^ipi: that makes a happy for me.  package management has been VERY sorely lacking in Solaris for far too long.
[04:05:17] <e^ipi> section 1 is just the command 'pkg', 5 is the whole philosohpy or whatever behind it
[04:05:21] <ZOP> and the biggest thing blocking me deploying it more widely.
[04:05:24] <e^ipi> yeah, i like SysV so whatever
[04:06:07] <phrost> how do you set svcprop general/enabled boolean = true?
[04:06:18] <phrost> the service is running but not working, the boolean states 'false'
[04:06:25] <phrost> svcs shows it as enabled
[04:06:29] <e^ipi> phrost: tried taking it down and then back up again?
[04:06:32] <phrost> yep
[04:06:35] <phrost> did disable / enable
[04:09:12] <phrost> svccfg -s virtd setprop general/enabled = boolean: true
[04:09:16] <phrost> still shows it as 'false'
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[04:10:59] <tekprep> does anyone know where the topic for AD Solaris CIFS permissions are?
[04:11:05] <tekprep> or configuring this
[04:11:12] <tekprep> on the doc.sun.com/app/docs/coll
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[04:15:26] <e^ipi> tekprep: ACL's
[04:16:43] <ZOP> tekprep: acl's and teh SAG is, if it's available,  System Administration Guide: Windows Interoperability for the Solaris OS  (I haven't checked for a URL)
[04:17:13] <tekprep> omfg wow
[04:17:24] <tekprep> i have to set ACL at the root level of the sharesmb
[04:17:27] <ZOP> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-2429
[04:17:34] <xtrondo> phrost: you need svcadm refresh after setting proprieties
[04:17:58] <ZOP> i had a laugh the other day regarding SMB
[04:18:13] <ZOP> a friend was trying really hard to get SAMBA going on like SXCE (i don't know the issues)
[04:18:19] <ZOP> and i just said offhanded to him
[04:18:24] <ZOP> 'zfs set smbshare=on'
[04:18:46] <e^ipi> tekprep: that's one way to do it
[04:18:48] <ZOP> 2 minutes later i hear "FUCK!" from his desk as he realised he'd wasted two days when it was basically already done for him LOL
[04:18:57] <e^ipi> you can also get idmap(1) to do what you want
[04:19:50] <e^ipi> i just set an acl that corresponds with one of my UNIX groups at the top and set up inheritance correctly
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[04:20:10] <tekprep> # sharectl set -p oplock_enable=false smb
[04:20:10] <tekprep> oplock_enable: not defined
[04:20:17] <tekprep> why does that command not work like that
[04:20:23] <tekprep> i really need to set oplocks to off
[04:20:40] <e^ipi> because you didn't read the zfs man page perhaps?
[04:20:51] <e^ipi> or the sharectl manpage either?
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[04:21:33] <tekprep> dude sharectl is 2 pages
[04:21:40] <tekprep> i'll check zfs man page
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[04:23:55] <e^ipi> and are you sure sharectl corresponds with CIFS and not NFS?
[04:24:47] <e^ipi> perhaps a search on docs.sun.com for 'cifs' or 'smb' could be enlightening
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[04:25:04] <tekprep> sharectl get smb
[04:25:09] <tekprep> that shows me my properties tho
[04:25:26] <e^ipi> lovely, perhaps there's a different utility to manage smb
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[04:29:39] <ZOP> sharectl is multi-protocol as of a while back...but idk how to control the opportunistic locking stuff personally at all.
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[04:31:18] <ZOP> i have suge huge gaps in my solaris knowledge augh.
[04:31:20] <ZOP> frustrating.
[04:31:34] <ZOP> s/suge/such/
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[04:32:47] <serrs> I've read contradicting information about root ZFS.  Does it make sense on 2008.05 to just expand the "rpool" pool while adding disks?
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[04:33:02] <serrs> or go with a whole new pool
[04:33:08] <_mary_kate_> serrs: the root pool can only be a single mirrored set.  striping isn't allowed
[04:33:26] <serrs> ok.  I read that, thanks for confirming
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[04:33:47] <tekprep> jfc raidz2 is really fast
[04:34:01] <tekprep> i had a 3ware RAID-10 and this is blowing it out of the ware
[04:34:01] <e^ipi> tekprep: root pool.
[04:34:05] <tekprep> water even
[04:34:17] <tekprep> i am just boasting again
[04:34:38] <pumpkin_> hmm
[04:34:41] <tekprep> i was just looking at some performance logs in vmware
[04:34:44] <tekprep> really nice stuff
[04:34:57] <pumpkin_> tekprep: isn't raidz2 limited by the speed of the two parity disks?
[04:35:01] <pumpkin_> writing to it, that is
[04:35:33] <_mary_kate_> there are no 'parity disks' in raidz2 (or raidz, or raid5 or raid6)
[04:35:37] <_mary_kate_> all disks contain both data and parity
[04:35:46] <pumpkin_> fair enough
[04:35:54] <_mary_kate_> with raidz, the bottleneck is usually that every write has to touch every drive
[04:36:01] <_mary_kate_> unlike mirror-stripe where each write only goes to two disks
[04:36:09] <pumpkin_> yeah
[04:36:10] <pumpkin_> makes sense
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[04:36:16] <serrs> I have 1 disk now.  And I want RAIDZ in a few days when I put 3 more disks in.  I should make a small "rpool" now..  and large "bigpool" that I will then extend with additional disks.  If there is something wrong with this thought, please tell me.  I am reading the ZFS Admin Guide, just have not done Solaris since 7.  :)
[04:36:48] <_mary_kate_> raid5/6 also have the read-modify-write problem, where you have to read a block in order to write to it, to compute the parity
[04:36:48] <pumpkin_> _mary_kate_: so writing is the minimum speed of the constituent disks, does reading follow the same?
[04:36:54] <_mary_kate_> iirc, raidz's variable-size stripes eliminate that problem
[04:36:56] <pumpkin_> yeah, I remember reading about that
[04:37:32] <_mary_kate_> i'm not sure how much difference there is in reading, probably a lot less than writing
[04:38:59] <serrs> I read that giving ZFS the "whole disk" helps performace, so now I need to make the rpool smaller...  to fit a "bigpool".  I assume.
[04:39:31] <_mary_kate_> serrs: that only matters if it's really the entire disk.  giving it more space which is still not filling the entire disk makes no difference
[04:39:48] <_mary_kate_> you can't share a whole-disk zpool with another pool (like the root pool)
[04:40:05] <pumpkin_> _mary_kate_: so you mean that reading from a raidz? is as fast as one disk? or faster?
[04:40:36] <pumpkin_> sorry, extraneous question mark
[04:41:01] <serrs> So if I have an "rpool" and "bigpool" on disk #1, I'm getting a performance hit?  I must use slices?
[04:41:05] <_mary_kate_> pumpkin_: i'd expect it to be faster, but i've not tested it.  (our workload is read-heavy, so i only tested raidz read performance against mirror-stripe)
[04:41:16] <pumpkin_> ah
[04:41:59] <_mary_kate_> serrs: the performance loss is only that ZFS can't enable write caching on the disk.  perhaps, you could enable it yourself (e.g. with the 'format' command)
[04:42:02] <ZOP> serrs: when ZFS is given teh whole disk (NOT a slice) it sets the disks read/write caches up appropriately and treats it a little differently.
[04:42:20] <_mary_kate_> (well, it could enable write caching, but it doesn't, because it assumes you're sharing the disk with non-ZFS filesystems that aren't safe to use on write caching disks)
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[04:45:46] <serrs> I don't want to sound annoying...  but with Linux, I would have a small root partiion on the first drive.  Have RAID-5 spread across disk 1,2,3,4.  I'd have the root sized partition also on the 2,3,4 disks, and sometimes rsync over to them.  How would I best make use of my disks with OpenSolaris and ZFS.  your help is much appreciated.
[04:46:32] <e^ipi> rsync?
[04:46:34] <serrs> I should say RAID-5 on a secondary larger partition...  on all 4 drives.
[04:46:37] <e^ipi> just use a mirror
[04:46:46] <serrs> yeah
[04:46:51] <e^ipi> that is, all your disks have the same partition layout
[04:47:06] <e^ipi> small root partition, and the rest of it to your other zpool however you like ( raidz or whatever )
[04:47:12] <serrs> I'm wondering more about the idea of using all 4 disks for RAIDZ..  but doing a small mirrored root.
[04:47:14] <_mary_kate_> serrs: linux can't enable the write cache either.  so you're not losing anything
[04:47:23] <e^ipi> serrs: seems fine to me
[04:49:41] <serrs> ok... thanks.
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[04:53:47] <serrs> so if 2 zpools utilized a disk it would require 2 slices.  (I wince)
[04:53:54] <ZOP> yes.
[04:54:20] <serrs> thank you all...   I'm now less luser like
[04:55:54] <ZOP> oh we all have our luser days hah.
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[04:58:47] <serrs> I'm such a noob all over again.  way back in the day... 1999 I had an E450, I pimped out with all the GNU tools and GNUStep.  I have not been a Solaris admin since.
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[04:59:57] <ZOP> yeah from 99 to about 02 i was doing Solaris on a lot of different E series hardware, all the way up to a pair of E10k's (UGH those damn things were problematic...they have a faraday cage for a reason, i'm convinced they're the reason for all the cancer in california LOL)
[05:03:12] <serrs> I sat in front of an E450 for about 5 months.  To this day I can't stand fan noise.  That was the biggest hardware I've "had".  I saw on Ebay last week I can buy a piece of that history.  A loaded E450 for $99, you pick up.  Of course, I couldn't plug it in to the wall..  that would be immoral.  ;)
[05:04:17] <serrs> I don't think I have 20amp circuits in my house anyway
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[05:05:29] <serrs> I just got a Dell SC440 yesterday for a new home fileserver.  ~$300, low power etc.
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[05:08:18] <coffman_> hm
[05:08:39] <coffman_> why does a liveupgrade has to take longer then a whole install? :(
[05:09:15] <serrs> As a test run I had my 7 year old install OpenSolaris.  Had to have a a way to tell Linux friends that it really is... that easy.  :)
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[05:10:11] <coffman_> its like with drugs, the first time you use it, it seems easy and not that bad :P
[05:10:21] <serrs> hehe
[05:10:56] <serrs> Actually I worry that I will be tempted to go to 2008.11 from 2008.05.  And I worry I will find "the bad" then.
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[05:11:47] <serrs> I have alot of experience with linux and rescuing linux...  I'm going out on a limb with ZFS and OpenSolaris.  But I want to learn.  (wish it  was with others data...  :)
[05:12:33] <coffman_> uh
[05:12:45] <coffman_> you want to use it in produktion?
[05:12:58] <serrs> home production
[05:13:50] <coffman_> lul
[05:14:15] <coffman_> pkg refresh, pkg image-update
[05:14:37] <coffman_> and .11 cant be worse then .05
[05:14:59] <serrs> uh..  thanks for giving me so much confidence in .05
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[05:16:29] <coffman_> well. ill use sxce
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[05:16:40] <serrs> I guess what I am worried about is disaster.  If my RAID (metadevice) stuff was ever in jeopardy on Linux, I feel pretty confident that I know what I'm doing.  Now...  if say an upgrade botches ZFS conf stuff..  I will be learning as I go.
[05:16:42] <serrs> hehe
[05:17:08] <serrs> sxce..  and do you upgrade every few weeks?
[05:17:08] <ZOP> Heh
[05:17:15] <ZOP> ZFS is very self sufficient/contained
[05:17:49] <ZOP> if its 'botched' about all you can/need to do is make sure the drives are there.
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[05:18:19] <ZOP> serrs: the thing about ZFS is ZFS describes itself
[05:18:23] <serrs> If you had all your movies, home pics, home vids, etc... on a fileserver would you use 2008.05?  or something else?
[05:18:41] <coffman_> serrs: i would use sxce...
[05:18:47] <coffman_> but hack
[05:18:51] <ZOP> serrs: it relies on NO external metadata from the OS except the /etc/zfs/zpool.cache which as i udnerstand basically lists stuff that we are 'live' with and can import on startup.
[05:18:59] <serrs> ZOP: I hope so...  :)  I'm relinquishing control.
[05:19:07] <coffman_> on my server i do a lu every ~2-5 releases
[05:19:59] <ZOP> i've got FAR more confidence in ZFS and it's system than MD+LVM+<name filesystem here>
[05:21:14] <serrs> I've had /etc/mdadm.conf on Linux not match the meta data on the partitions...  Most of the time Linux metadevice drivers can find stuff correctly ...  I'm not totally convinced, much better than the olden days.  I'm powering on into the future!!!  ZFS it is...  handing over control..  don't hurt me zfs.
[05:21:37] <coffman_> lol
[05:21:59] <serrs> I've done MD+LVM+REISERFS for about 6 years.  I've had 2 close calls.  :)
[05:22:12] <serrs> on gentoo even.. hehee
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[05:23:00] <coffman_> aeh
[05:23:11] <ZOP> we've had many close calls and several disasters
[05:23:30] <coffman_> thats like fucking a crack whore without protection
[05:23:34] <coffman_> reiser
[05:23:35] <coffman_> wtf
[05:23:44] <ZOP> one of the things about ZFS is that it will not blink over temporary failures...MD freaks OUT and loses it's marbles when that sort of thing happens
[05:23:53] <serrs> reiser never treated me wrong after about 2002
[05:24:02] <ZOP> like our CX200 will sometimes send a SCSI 'you should retry' to the MD layer in Linux
[05:24:20] <ZOP> it then faults the path and very immediately trys on an alternate path, well, sometimes this result in another 'retry' message
[05:24:29] <ZOP> then Linux basically kernel panics because MD removes THAT path too.
[05:24:42] <coffman_> serrs: your data is safer on zfs then it ever was
[05:24:44] <ZOP> it's better than ext3 heh.
[05:24:50] <ZOP> but i agree
[05:24:54] <serrs> eeek.  yes.  I need to hurry to zfs
[05:24:54] <ZOP> zfs is *the* shit.
[05:25:03] <ZOP> i've got plans to move ALL major storage to ZFS
[05:25:18] <coffman_> reiser better then ext3???
[05:25:27] <coffman_> fat32 is better then reiser
[05:25:39] <serrs> hehehe  got burned?
[05:26:41] <ZOP> ext3 has terrible performance on filesystems with lots of small files
[05:26:49] <serrs> ZOP: thoughts on going with sxce instead of 2008.05?  I think I'll just do ZFS/NFS and cron...  maybe a little mysql...  really nothing else.
[05:26:52] <ZOP> didnt' get online expansion till late in life and i'm not even sure i trues tthat hah)
[05:27:12] <ZOP> serrs: well for production everything here is Sol10 w/ support contracts so heh.
[05:27:17] <coffman_> serrs: i dont need to ride with it to see that its dirty
[05:27:42] <serrs> hehe
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[05:29:20] <serrs> I went through 2 reiserfs_resize larger after LVM shuffles.   no problems.  :)  maybe I'm lucky.  And those weren't the close calls.  it was loosing disks (on RAID5) that always was scary
[05:29:40] <coffman_> oh raid5
[05:29:41] <_mary_kate_> the strangest thing about linux lvm is why they decided to base it on hp-ux lvm
[05:29:47] <_mary_kate_> which has to have one of the least usable interfaces of any vm
[05:30:25] <_mary_kate_> even the dreaded vx is easier to use
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[05:30:58] <serrs> I'm excited about the zfs user commands.  seem simple.   I guess I should "practice" a while.
[05:31:05] <ZOP> oh we routinely resize our reiser filesystems
[05:31:11] <jamesd> but of course hp-ux lvm is really  veritas volume manager
[05:31:19] <ZOP> in fact, one NFS server has a script that extends teh lvm into the VG and then resizes the reiserfs
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[05:32:01] <serrs> A friend has veritas he hates to pay support on, if I get good with ZFS...  I think I will propose a bit of contract work.
[05:32:31] <coffman_> must be like sun marketing, crack, acid and crystal all day
[05:33:05] <jamesd> serrs, you get what you pay for... if you don't pay for support, what happens... you get no support.
[05:33:46] <ZOP> yeah ZFS is so much better than veritas
[05:33:51] <serrs> true..  they would probably go for Sun support though.
[05:34:04] <sstallion> evening all
[05:35:13] <_mary_kate_> jamesd: no it's not.  hp-ux includes both vx and its own custom lvm
[05:35:22] <_mary_kate_> (most people use the native lvm)
[05:35:28] <serrs> jamesd: admin at work (I'm more of a developer) told me the Sun tech was there a few weeks ago said... yeah you can pull this dead PS out of the E450.  (has 3)  Well apparently not the PS #1 though, it went down.  :)  I think Oracle went down.
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[05:36:56] <jamesd> well its not likely the e450 is something that an average tech deals with anymore it is a 5+ year old box..
[05:38:12] <serrs> sure...  but this guy (personable tech) is why we have so much of that old stuff.  He helped sell it to use 8 years ago
[05:38:22] <serrs> just funny that the tech pulled it
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[05:39:36] <jamesd> serrs, it happens at my last job, the tech was supposed to pull the bad drive of a mirrored root pair and actually pulled the good drive, it was not pretty took 8+ hours to rebuild it
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[05:43:06] <teknoprep> so i have yet to find anything on OPLOCKS
[05:43:09] <teknoprep> for smb shares
[05:43:16] <teknoprep> other than it wasn't included in 88
[05:43:22] <teknoprep> or it was defaulted off
[05:43:27] <teknoprep> since it wasn't ready or something
[05:43:57] <teknoprep> and i know i need it off as i am running a shared directory using CIFS for a DataBase style application
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[05:48:42] <phrost> how does xvm bridge interfaces, is it supposed to bring up a 'vif0' for the guest?
[05:48:47] <jamesd> teknoprep, dtrace will show all if you ask it too.
[05:49:13] <_mary_kate_> phrost: yes, but i believe that's a mystical interface that doesn't appear in ifconfig
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[05:51:21] <jamesd> dtrace -l | grep oplock   | wc -l
[05:51:21] <jamesd>       34
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[06:31:35] <oss> is there anyone know daniel templeton?
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[07:20:10] <evocallaghan> wow, is it ZFS day or something !? :p
[07:20:26] <FurnaceBoy> yay
[07:20:30] <FurnaceBoy> is there a logo?
[07:22:56] <evocallaghan> ay ?
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[07:23:31] <FurnaceBoy> a logo - for ZFS Day!
[07:23:41] <FurnaceBoy> you can't have a Day without a Logo!
[07:23:56] <FurnaceBoy> or at least, i won't be able to put a banner on my zfs-served site without one :(
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[07:34:47] <evocallaghan> Its also, slow dns lookup day ;[
[07:34:56] <evocallaghan> Freaking Australian IPS's !
[07:36:46] <FurnaceBoy> lol
[07:36:59] <FurnaceBoy> first lookup of the day? no local caching dns?
[07:37:14] <FurnaceBoy> oh, you're *in* australia
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[07:38:01] <moazamraja> anyone here tried installing OpenSolaris on an Apple Xserve x86?
[07:38:14] <FurnaceBoy> no, but that does sound amusing
[07:38:24] <FurnaceBoy> last xServe I used was PPC
[07:38:30] <FurnaceBoy> oups, Xserve*
[07:39:03] <FurnaceBoy> it's a pity http://alienraid.org seems to have died off
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[07:42:02] <evocallaghan> Xserver.. wow ! why don't you just gold plate a dell ?
[07:42:16] <FurnaceBoy> hm...
[07:42:23] <FurnaceBoy> last time I looked, they were poles apart
[07:42:45] <FurnaceBoy> one could argue both are overpriced
[07:42:55] <evocallaghan> I think IBM and Sun hardware is the go
[07:43:01] <FurnaceBoy> IBM and Sun look fine to me.
[07:43:33] <FurnaceBoy> clearly this is an Xserve already in moazamraja 's possession
[07:44:04] <FurnaceBoy> moazamraja, is ZFS like, enabled, in the OS X Server yet?
[07:44:15] <evocallaghan> No
[07:44:25] <e^ipi> 10.6
[07:44:26] <evocallaghan> That is in Show Poo
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[07:45:06] <FurnaceBoy> i see.
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[07:45:55] <evocallaghan> Lots of timeouts
[07:45:58] <evocallaghan> Gerr
[07:54:28] <moazamraja> FurnaceBoy: not sure, but if it isn't it might be with Snow Leopard
[07:54:50] <moazamraja> I have a bunch of Xserves, would be interesting if i could run Solaris on a few of them
[07:55:05] <moazamraja> OpenSolaris as support for booting on EFI hardware now right?
[07:55:18] <FurnaceBoy> moazamraja, it would be a bloggable experiment, for sure.
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[08:05:06] <evocallaghan> No idea if solaris supports EFI though?
[08:05:14] <e^ipi> it doesn't
[08:05:38] <evocallaghan> Hmm, would be interesting to add
[08:05:54] <evocallaghan> Maybe send something of to the Intel project mailing list ??
[08:07:39] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[08:08:02] <FurnaceBoy> evocallaghan, http://blogs.sun.com/szhou/entry/solaris_on_efi_imac ?
[08:11:02] <moazamraja> odd
[08:11:19] <moazamraja> i was able to boot OpenSolaris straight from the DVD on a Mac Mini without any problems
[08:11:34] <moazamraja> but no clue if it'll work with Xserve
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[08:31:39] <serrs> is there a way to have the opensolaris installer make an initial slice on the disk smaller?  I want the Solaris partition on the WHOLE disk, but the root slice 10G.  I think.
[08:32:18] <serrs> x86 OpenSolaris, btw
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[08:34:41] <serrs> I'm thinking make the partition small (10% of the disk)...  let the install/setup do it's thing...  after box is running then run fdisk make the partition larger...  leaving the slice small so then I can create another slice.
[08:36:42] <e^ipi> why?
[08:37:41] <serrs> I need a small slice for a root mirror...  and a large slice for a future raidz...  I think.  I'd be happy if it was easier than this.
[08:39:11] <oxygene> moazamraja: you probably have bootcamp installed - that one is a more or less complete PCBIOS implementation
[08:42:01] <serrs> It seems like a typical thing to do with say 3-5 large disks on commodity hardware.  You don't want to just hand over a 500GB disk to be your dedicated root..  you only want your root on 10GB.  I don't seem to see anyone documenting this sort if thing.
[08:43:52] <e^ipi> okay, but why would you need to shrink it later?
[08:44:02] <e^ipi> just make a small root partition, and use the rest for ZFS later
[08:44:36] <serrs> "partition" or slice?
[08:44:44] <_mary_kate_> there is no reason to make the x86 partition anything other than 100% of the disk
[08:44:49] <_mary_kate_> just adjust the size of the root slice
[08:45:30] <serrs> after the install?  using the live cd?
[08:45:43] <_mary_kate_> live cd?  oh, you're using 2008.05..
[08:45:54] <serrs> yes
[08:46:34] <serrs> Maybe thats my problem.  it is not very easy to tell it slice sizes
[08:46:37] <serrs> gurr
[08:47:51] <serrs> I suppose ce does not have that problem
[08:49:01] <serrs> I've never tried sxce
[08:49:51] <_mary_kate_> until indiana gets a useful installer you're probably better off with sxce
[08:50:26] <serrs> ok, thanks
[08:50:59] <serrs> indiana ?= 2008.11
[08:51:24] <serrs> I'm showing my stupidity
[08:51:26] <_mary_kate_> the distribution of opensolaris which is confusingly also called 'OpenSolaris' is also known as indiana
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[08:52:54] <serrs> thx...  I'll start downloading sxce and go to bed.
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[09:10:15] <vincekg> hi, i've an issues running opensolaris as a Xen domU , i've checked all internet documentation. Xen hard drive are viewed by format in c3d0 (/xpvd/xdf@0).
[09:10:27] <vincekg> And the installer doesn't see that disk (c3d0)
[09:11:36] <vincekg> Some other face the same issues, and i haven't find any answers (sorry to bother you)
[09:11:37] <vincekg> http://forums.opensolaris.com/thread.jspa?threadID=501&tstart=0
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[09:11:56] <chris____> Anyone awake?
[09:12:42] <vincekg> me
[09:13:18] <chris____> you wouldn't by chance be able to help me get a dns server working on opensoaris would you?
[09:14:57] <vincekg> aw, sorry, i'm currently unable to lunch opensolaris via Xen^^ , i know pretty well bind but on *ux/BSD but havn't tried it on opensolaris
[09:15:28] <chris____> Yeah im used to FreeBSD, and i just built a zfs fileserver
[09:15:31] <chris____> on opensolaris
[09:15:38] <chris____> trying to run my bind server
[09:16:03] <chris____> im really close, it starts if I run it manually from the command line, but not from the svcadm
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[09:19:52] <e^ipi> your /etc/named.conf in order?
[09:20:27] <chris____> yeah if I run /usr/sbin/named -c /etc/namedb/named.conf it starts and works
[09:21:01] <chris____> but using svcadm restart dns/server it doesn't start
[09:21:16] <teknoprep> e^ipi, do you sleep ?
[09:21:22] <e^ipi> no, why?
[09:21:25] <chris____> i have looked at the properties and changed them a million times but nothing seems to help
[09:21:28] <teknoprep> you are always on
[09:21:45] <teknoprep> i still didn't find out how to turn off oplocks
[09:21:51] <teknoprep> read alot of cool stuff tho
[09:22:40] <e^ipi> smbutil and associated
[09:23:49] <teknoprep> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2251/smb-4?l=en&a=view&q=oplock+smb+cifs
[09:23:51] <teknoprep> found that
[09:23:58] <teknoprep> but it says sharectl
[09:25:35] <teknoprep> but i don't understand that document
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[09:28:39] <e^ipi> what's not to understand?
[09:29:06] <e^ipi> seems you use svcprop(1M) to do it
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[09:31:25] <chris____> e^ipi any ideas on the dns server?
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[09:32:31] <e^ipi> what do the logs say?
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[09:32:50] <e^ipi> or svcs -xv for that matter
[09:33:10] <chris____> well im having trouble finding the logs, im used to freebsd, this is my first solaris box
[09:33:12] <chris____> one sec
[09:33:28] <e^ipi> that'll point you at the specific log
[09:33:36] <e^ipi> also, they're all in /var/
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[09:34:20] <chris____> admin@nasbox:~# svcs -xv
[09:34:20] <chris____> svc:/network/dns/server:default (BIND DNS server)
[09:34:20] <chris____>  State: maintenance since Sun Oct 05 03:02:02 2008
[09:34:20] <chris____> Reason: Start method failed repeatedly, last exited with status 1.
[09:34:21] <chris____>    See: http://sun.com/msg/SMF-8000-KS
[09:34:21] <chris____>    See: man -M /usr/man -s 1M named
[09:34:22] <chris____>    See: /var/svc/log/network-dns-server:default.log
[09:34:24] <chris____> Impact: This service is not running.
[09:34:43] <e^ipi> and when you check that specific log
[09:35:30] <chris____> [ Oct  5 03:02:02 Executing start method ("/usr/sbin/named"). ]
[09:35:30] <chris____> [ Oct  5 03:02:02 Method "start" exited with status 1. ]
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[09:35:52] <chris____> if I new what status 1 meant it would help
[09:36:36] <oxygene> chris____: exit code 1 - everything but 0 is an error
[09:36:38] <e^ipi> 0 = success
[09:36:40] <e^ipi> 1 = not success
[09:36:46] <e^ipi> standard unix exit codes
[09:37:05] <chris____> lol ok, easy enough, but doesn't help me
[09:38:13] <e^ipi> check your log
[09:38:19] <e^ipi> log is defined in named.conf
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[09:39:11] <chris____> none defined
[09:40:16] <e^ipi> so define one.
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[09:56:06] <e^ipi> teknoprep: if you encounter bugs in the documentation, file them
[10:01:41] <chris____> i must be an idiot cause its not logging
[10:02:19] <e^ipi> there are plenty of docs out there on the internet on how to get BIND to log
[10:02:37] <chris____> yeah and I added the statement and it doesn't start
[10:04:11] <chris____> svc:/network/dns/server:default> listprop
[10:04:11] <chris____> options                            application
[10:04:11] <chris____> options/chroot_dir                 astring
[10:04:12] <chris____> options/debug_level                integer  0
[10:04:12] <chris____> options/ip_interfaces              astring  all
[10:04:13] <chris____> options/listen_on_port             integer  0
[10:04:14] <chris____> options/server                     astring
[10:04:16] <chris____> options/threads                    integer  0
[10:04:18] <chris____> options/configuration_file         astring  /etc/namedb/named.conf
[10:04:20] <chris____> general                            framework
[10:04:22] <chris____> general/action_authorization       astring  solaris.smf.manage.bind
[10:04:24] <chris____> general/value_authorization        astring  solaris.smf.manage.bind
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[10:05:01] <e^ipi> it's probably something about your named.conf
[10:05:04] <chris____> oops my bad
[10:05:10] <e^ipi> and use pastebin in the future.
[10:05:19] <chris____> what is pastebin
[10:05:37] <e^ipi> it's that thing you google for when you don't know what it is
[10:05:56] <chris____> thanks for being a dick
[10:06:02] <e^ipi> your welcome
[10:06:10] <_mary_kate_> you're
[10:06:20] <e^ipi> pedant.
[10:06:43] <_mary_kate_> dick!
[10:07:18] <chris____> maybe you haven't been pulling your hair our trying to figure out why a server won't start for 4 hours, I have and sorry if I am not at my best right now
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[10:34:18] <oxygene> chris____: did you try starting the named manually, with -f and -d options?
[10:35:04] <chris____> yeah it starts just fine manually with just a -f option and I can even use -u and run it as the bind user i made
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[10:52:11] <Berny> chris____, you may want to try sh -x /lib/svc/method/dns-server and see where there startup method bails out
[10:52:55] <chris____> alright that will be the first thing I try tomorrow, its 5am here I am giving up tonight
[10:53:09] <chris____> worst case at the moment is I SSH in and run it manually
[10:53:53] <chris____> aww hell let me try it now
[10:54:03] <codestr0m> is there a place to find flag-days in rss feed or something?
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[10:55:08] <codestr0m> nvm found it
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[10:55:09] <chris____> umm?  sh: /lib/svc/dns-server: No such file or directory
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[10:55:25] <chris____> shit typo
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[10:58:32] <chris____> Berny, see http://pastebin.com/m2357d309
[10:59:15] <chris____> im clueless on that
[10:59:26] <Berny> easy one
[10:59:41] <Berny> make it sh -x /lib/svc/method/dns-server start
[10:59:44] <Berny> my bad
[11:00:51] <chris____> OMG it STARTED
[11:01:13] <chris____> so then why when I do svcadm enable dns/server it doesn't start?
[11:01:33] <chris____> that supposed to run that same script i believe
[11:01:36] <codestr0m> ok. I didn't find what I was looking for.. for flag-days do people just look online or is there a way to sub to a list/feed?
[11:03:10] <Berny> chris____, what does svcs dns/server say?
[11:03:23] <Berny> is it in maintenance?
[11:03:50] <Berny> if so kill all running named process and do a svcadm clear dns/server
[11:04:01] <Berny> check again with svcs dns/server
[11:04:22] <chris____> admin@nasbox:~# svcs dns/server
[11:04:22] <chris____> STATE          STIME    FMRI
[11:04:22] <chris____> maintenance     3:02:02 svc:/network/dns/server:default
[11:06:06] <Berny> before or after killing named and clearing the smf.instance?
[11:06:31] <chris____> uh
[11:06:49] <Berny> uh what?
[11:06:51] <chris____> i killed the named process, I don't know how to clear a smf instance
[11:07:01] <Berny> svcadm clear dns/server
[11:07:22] <chris____> if the SMF starts it should be running at root, where as the manually running one runs as bind
[11:07:31] <chris____> thats how I know
[11:08:08] <chris____> OH SHIT
[11:08:12] <Berny> ?
[11:08:12] <chris____> WADDUP
[11:08:19] <chris____> its running from svcadm
[11:08:49] <Berny> my guess is you had named running and smf couldn't start it because ports where in use already
[11:08:56] <chris____> in my past 4 hours i have never used svcadm clear, is that why no matter what I didn't nothing would fix it?
[11:09:44] <Berny> probably...
[11:10:02] <Berny> even if you enable a service it will stay in maintenance
[11:10:03] <chris____> gonna make a quick change
[11:10:16] <chris____> im a tard then, I never knew that
[11:10:32] <Berny> you may disable and enable that should also clear the maintenance state
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[11:10:50] <Berny> another nice on is svadm restart dns/server ;-)
[11:11:29] <Yorlik> Just downloading stuff from the sun dlc with links over ssh  ... I start loving text browsers ...
[11:12:10] <chris____> Berny!
[11:12:29] <Berny> yes?
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[11:12:45] <chris____> used svccfg to set it to run under bind user, then svcadm refresh, then restart and WADDUP its working!
[11:13:30] <Berny> thats how it is supposed to be :-)
[11:13:50] <Berny> nice and easy (once you get what's going on)
[11:14:27] <chris____> well its frustrating cause i am pretty good at freebsd and im not a noob so I was like why isn't this working
[11:14:57] <chris____> still learning solaris obviously, moved to it for ZFS  :-)
[11:15:45] <Berny> in any case the man pages on solaris are pretty good, as is the documentation on docs.sun.com
[11:16:05] <chris____> i just missed that clear command I think
[11:16:21] <chris____> cause I changed things 50 times and nothing ever helped
[11:16:21] <Berny> you may also want to skim the opensolaris site for tutorials and how to switch from xxx guides
[11:16:38] <chris____> oh i was all over but nothing seemed to help
[11:16:50] <chris____> and now to find out it was probably in maintenance mode
[11:18:00] <chris____> oh and just to verify, this should now start at boot now right?
[11:19:11] <Berny> yepp
[11:19:46] <chris____> sweet
[11:19:47] <Berny> check http://opensolaris.org/os/community/smf/faq/ and http://home.arcor.de/bnsmb/public/htdocs/My_Little_SMF_FAQ.html
[11:19:55] <chris____> man I owe you a beef
[11:20:00] <chris____> err beer
[11:20:09] <Berny> 'll have a beef :-)
[11:20:17] <Berny> it's nearly lunch here :-)
[11:20:58] <chris____> where you at buddy?
[11:22:11] <Berny> germany
[11:22:36] <Berny> and you? east coast states or carribbean? :-)
[11:23:51] <chris____> midwest usa
[11:24:14] <Berny> oh well so you have enough beef supply around :-)
[11:24:29] <chris____> sure do
[11:26:04] <Berny> lucky
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[11:30:50] <chris____> well Berny thanks again
[11:31:19] <chris____> hope to see you around again.....my normal handle is Peedy
[11:31:20] <Berny> you're welcome
[11:32:19] <Berny> lunchtime for me
[11:32:21] <Berny> laters
[11:32:28] <chris____> later
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[11:53:52] <kimc> trying to ftp an opensolaris iso file from a b96 machine to a b97 machine
[11:54:11] <kimc> mput sol-nv-b99-x86-dvd.iso? y
[11:54:28] <kimc> it returns: local: sol-nv-b99-x86-dvd.iso: Value too large for defined data type
[11:55:24] <kimc> if i try to get the file from the other end it transfers about ~2 gig of the file and returns: sol-nv-b99-x86-dvd.iso: short write
[11:55:35] <kimc> 426 Data connection: Broken pipe.
[11:56:04] <kimc> whats up with that?
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[11:59:00] <Berny> an ftp client the can't handle largefiles
[11:59:11] <kimc> hmm.. right
[11:59:26] <kimc> an opensolris ftp client
[12:00:20] <Berny> i would have assumed that it is largefile aware
[12:00:25] <kimc> yes
[12:01:37] <kimc> i wanted to burn the dvd on the opensolaris machine as i don't have a dvd buring program installed on the windows machine it was downloaded to
[12:02:06] <kimc> maybe i should try sftp
[12:02:40] <Berny> sftp should work fine
[12:02:50] <kimc> running now
[12:03:18] <kimc> ~18MB/sec with sftp
[12:03:38] <kimc> 1 gig in
[12:03:48] <seanmcg> you have ncftp on the box ?
[12:04:21] <kimc> no ncftp
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[12:05:09] <kimc> 2.6 GB in
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[12:06:55] <kimc> ok that worked.. buring the dvd now with cdrecord -dao
[12:07:44] <bimbo> hello, I've got my system bell disabled (xset b off), however sometimes it get enabled again when a program intends to use it, this does not happen all the time, even with the same application it may enable it or it may not, has anyone else experienced this?
[12:12:11] <kimc> booting the just-burned dvd..
[12:13:56] <seanmcg> kimc the ftp is odd, I'm able to ftp a 3.5GB file between two two b9X machines ok.
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[12:17:13] <sickness> ftp--
[12:17:14] <sickness> rsync++
[12:17:15] <sickness> ;P
[12:17:57] <kimc> i have a comstar iSCSI target running on one machine.. maybe its causing a timeout
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[12:26:41] <kimc> installing b99
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[12:27:28] <kimc> in a few minutes my ldap server project resumes..
[12:28:44] <kimc> openldap server config compatible with opensolaris ldap clients -an illusive goal
[12:29:48] <kimc> eventually compatible with os x clients
[12:30:24] <seanmcg> you mean elusive ?-)
[12:30:39] <kimc> yes that too :)
[12:31:52] <kimc> <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/illusive>
[12:32:07] <kimc> brb..
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[12:39:00] <oxygene> kimc: I had openldap running as server for solaris for some years
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[12:39:54] <kohju> hrm... coffeeeeee.
[12:40:02] <oxygene> wasn't hard, once I found the two solaris schema that are necessary
[12:40:04] <xRaich[o]2x> kohju: good idea
[12:40:29] <kohju> yeah. i need to make coffee.
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[12:54:23] <oss> Is there anyone know Daniel Templeton?
[12:56:32] <kimc> oxygene: i have the schema.. how do you init the database after the first 'root' level init?
[12:57:58] <kimc> and i need an .ldif for adding users
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[12:58:54] <oxygene> kimc: I killed the server last year, but I vaguely recall that there was a tool to transfer the data from the local files into ldap
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[13:27:09] <ballChalk> ldifimport?
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[13:51:58] <ballChalk> so...  sun dns docs say 'use svccfg if you want to for example start bind with <example...>" and says to use the svccfg command..  select dns/server; listprop doesnt show the start method
[13:52:16] <ballChalk> this means the only way to do it is the manifest export/import commands?
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[13:54:11] <ballChalk> hmm viewing the export lead me to the answer...  select service:default
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[14:17:06] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: http://husio.homelinux.com/static/aurshell/
[14:18:06] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: huh?
[14:18:11] <xRaich[o]2x> what's that?
[14:18:18] <codestr0m> python shell thingie
[14:18:28] <codestr0m> I haven't tested, but I know the author codes pretty good
[14:18:39] <codestr0m> that's something a bit different
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[16:25:10] <codestr0m> anyone able to comment if lx64/source/lib/brand/lx/lx_brand ever got pushed into main gate? by the name it looks like 64bit lx brand.. I know I tested the 2.6 bits, but I think that x86 only..?
[16:26:01] <codestr0m> the gate seems a bit crufty
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[16:58:15] <ruse39> anyone knows, was this finally implemented ? http://blogs.sun.com/ahl/entry/expand_o_matic_raid_z
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[17:14:40] <TomJ> ruse39: you still can't expand a raidz a disk or two at a time, now
[17:14:43] <TomJ> *no
[17:15:39] <TomJ> ruse39: it says there in the post that Sun aren't going to give resources to implementing it
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[17:16:40] <hali> there is a mathematical model how to do it if someone wants to sponsor it
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[17:16:52] <hali> on a napkin :)
[17:17:14] <hali> ah, yes and in that blog post
[17:17:49] <hali> bottom line is that "enterprise"-scale customers don't add a disk at a time, they add 10
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[17:37:04] <dsop> has someone a clue how to boot opensolaris from a ubuntu grub installation? Chainload just takes me to a stage2 grub
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[17:45:55] <sstallion> anyone around who has messed with lu a bit ?
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[17:52:13] <zugu> hi
[17:52:21] <Stric> sstallion: some.
[17:52:37] <zugu> i'm currently installing opensolaris 2008.05 on virtualbox on a winxp sp3 host
[17:53:04] <sstallion> Stric: ever run into an issue where lucreate cannot find the current BE's boot-device ?
[17:53:13] <Stric> sstallion: nope
[17:53:25] <zugu> opensolaris driver utility says there are no drivers for the default audiodevice used by virtualbox, any ideea where can i find them?
[17:53:44] <Stric> zugu: did you install Guest Additions?
[17:53:56] <Stric> zugu: second menu in virtualbox, far down
[17:54:05] <zugu> not yet, the system is just installing as we speak
[17:54:34] <zugu> I'll see what happens after the installation is complete
[17:54:36] <Stric> also.. sound isn't enabled by default I think
[17:54:51] <zugu> anyway, the default theme used by opensolaris is the best gnome theme i have ever seen
[17:54:56] <zugu> ;)
[17:56:32] <zugu> any specific software packages i need to install on opensolaris in order to install the guest additions?
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[17:57:33] <Stric> wait until stuff is done, reboot as you're told.. then select the Install Guest Additions.. a CD will show up on the inside.. run stuff as root
[17:57:45] <zugu> ok, thank you very much
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[17:58:58] <Stric> download the User Manual, see "Installing Guest Additions"
[18:00:07] <Stric> weird that they've put good information in the user manual, eh? ;)
[18:00:26] <zugu> :)
[18:00:32] <PerterB> it'll never catch on
[18:01:12] <zugu> i didn't know the guest additions include drivers for audio devices, i thought it's an opensolaris problem
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[18:02:29] <Stric> I don't think they do
[18:02:46] <Stric> Did you enable sound in Virtualbox? and if so, which sound card?
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[18:44:10] <zugu> i'm logged in as a normal user, how do i run something as root in a terminal?
[18:44:36] <CosmicDJ> 2008.05 or higher?
[18:44:41] <zugu> 2008.05
[18:44:47] <CosmicDJ> man pfexec
[18:44:50] <zugu> thanks
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[19:04:52] <_setuid_H> Evening all
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[19:11:22] <jrsharp> is this statement still accurate: "...you first need to install a suitable OpenSolaris distribution, which at this time is limited to the Solaris Express Community Edition...."
[19:11:24] <jrsharp> ?
[19:11:53] <CosmicDJ> before you can do what?
[19:12:02] <oxygene> for building the source, probably
[19:12:24] <_setuid_H> jrpsharp: I believe that to build onnv this is till the only one supported way.
[19:12:30] <_setuid_H> s/till/still
[19:12:43] <jrsharp> yeah, for building support
[19:12:46] <jrsharp> source
[19:13:20] <CosmicDJ> jrsharp: tell us why do you want to build from src
[19:13:20] <_setuid_H> Will somebody celebrate the 100 build of the kernel?
[19:13:35] <jrsharp> ok, because I seem to have read somewhere else that OpenSolaris 2008.05 was a suitable distribution for building from source... maybe on the mailing lists
[19:13:43] <oxygene> _setuid_H: why? it's not 0x100 or something like that ;)
[19:14:11] <oxygene> oh, that would be the first thing 2008.05 is suitable for
[19:14:33] <jrsharp> CosmicDJ: I'd like to build from source to have a better understanding of the codebase and build / packing process
[19:14:46] <jrsharp> curiosity, perhaps, more than anything
[19:15:34] <oxygene> don't try to understand the build process, except if you have a fixed rate plan with your psychotherapist
[19:15:46] <jrsharp> :)
[19:16:52] <jrsharp> I also have some ideas of some things I might be able to contribute at some point (if I ever have the time)
[19:17:27] <_setuid_H> jrsharp: than you should subscribe the SCA.
[19:17:52] <_setuid_H> jrsharp: Sun Contrib* Licence
[19:18:35] <jrsharp> ok, I'm looking at the SCA faq now
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[19:25:22] <serrs> is there a better place to ask zfs questions?  (than here?)
[19:25:35] <Stric> zfs-discuss mail list maybe
[19:25:42] <ivan> the source code speaks for itself
[19:26:32] <serrs> stric: thanks...  now that I'm not in urgent mode...  that makes sense.
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[19:37:12] <CosmicDJ> IMHO that also depends on your zfs question :)
[19:42:05] <pumpkin> there's a #zfs on this network, too
[19:48:26] <hali> ask the question
[19:48:35] <hali> "ask questions, not metaquestions"
[19:51:14] <oxygene> _setuid_H: I wonder why sun still insists on that agreement.. the largest portion of the operating system is under non-Sun copyright
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[19:55:43] <_setuid_H> oxygene: Better to be prepared. Than have a sun lawyers community vistiors :-)
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[19:59:13] <oxygene> I don't care much about sun's opinion anymore, and my fight with the FSF regarding their copyright assignment stuff makes me wary to sign anything to that effect *shrug*
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[20:02:36] <Asako> hello
[20:03:01] <Asako> has anybody built truecrypt for solaris?
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[20:08:29] <oxygene> Asako: that would mean porting the kernel module, right?
[20:08:33] <oxygene> if so, unlikely
[20:08:41] <Asako> yeah, it needs fuse
[20:09:01] <evocallaghan> Anyone a good shell scripter ?
[20:09:03] <evocallaghan> http://rafb.net/p/hoASHJ97.html
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[20:09:06] <Stric> so you'd only need to port fuse to solaris first
[20:09:17] <evocallaghan> Need to make this less Linux'ish and more sane
[20:09:35] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: just work on solaris sh?
[20:09:37] <xRaich[o]2x> Asako: zfs crypto should come in build 105
[20:09:45] <evocallaghan> fuse already works on solaris as far as I am aware ?
[20:09:49] <Asako> zfs isn't cross platform
[20:09:53] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: give me a minute I'll try to fix for you
[20:09:59] <oxygene> Asako: fuse isn't either
[20:10:02] <Asako> is there a zfs for windows?
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[20:10:16] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:oh, gezz. Thanks man !
[20:10:16] <xRaich[o]2x> Asako: no
[20:10:20] <Asako> I'm trying to encrypt a usb key for my firefox profile
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[20:10:44] <Proxymalz> any german speaking member here ?
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[20:10:54] <xRaich[o]2x> Proxymalz: join #opensolaris-de
[20:10:54] <evocallaghan> Yes
[20:10:55] <oxygene> Asako: and what filesystem should be in there - fat? not sure if a unix firefox is that happy with that
[20:11:00] <Asako> fat32
[20:11:03] <Asako> I think
[20:11:12] <Asako> opensolaris auto mounted it
[20:11:19] <evocallaghan> xRaich[o]2x:There is a de, cool. I'll see you in there.
[20:11:42] <seanmcg> whats to encrypt in a firefox profile ?  Doesn't firefox already encrypt any saved passwds etc ?
[20:11:48] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: looks like you should use isainfo instead of cat /proc/cpuinfo
[20:11:51] <tim2> hello
[20:11:51] <oxygene> seanmcg: the pr0n bookmarks
[20:11:58] <Asako> yeah, there's a master password
[20:12:02] <codestr0m> and not sure if you need this portable back to lnix?
[20:12:06] <tim2> anyone offer a little help on snv_98 grub error?
[20:12:22] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:Sure, but it has to continue to work on Linux :p
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[20:12:26] <tim2> probably something simple
[20:12:49] <evocallaghan> tim2:Go for it
[20:12:53] <Asako> add some if statements
[20:12:54] <ZOP> xRaich[o]2x: is there a visible ZFS features road map somewhere?
[20:12:56] <seanmcg> oxygene, and hes not encrypting his downloads ?-)
[20:13:17] <tim2> i've looked everywhere on the net and opensolaris forum but no answers.
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[20:13:22] <Asako> downloads go to a different directory
[20:13:30] <evocallaghan> ZOP;Just flag days as far as I am aware, + the project page and mailing list
[20:13:36] <tim2> error 25: disk read error
[20:13:39] <tim2> from grub
[20:13:42] <codestr0m> evocallaghan: can't promise that... I'd say do a test for the output of `isainfo` and `isainfo -vn`
[20:13:47] <tim2> but i don't think this is a grub issue
[20:13:48] <seanmcg> Asako, and you're encrypting them too ?-)
[20:13:52] <Asako> no
[20:14:20] <tim2> real message is something like, "bios accepts mixed-mode"
[20:14:33] <Asako> if [ -e /proc/cpuinfo ]; then
[20:14:35] <oxygene> Asako: porting zfs to windows would work, if someone takes the time. windows at least hasn't got a broken license that forbids it
[20:14:45] <evocallaghan> tim2:google "grub error codes"
[20:14:52] <tim2> and, i can # cat /  in  grub cmd line fine.
[20:14:57] <ZOP> evocallaghan: ok cool ty.
[20:14:57] * tim2 searching
[20:15:00] <Asako> yeah, way beyond my ability
[20:15:18] <evocallaghan> tim2:"25 : Disk read error  This error is returned if there is a disk read error when trying to probe or read data from a particular disk. "
[20:15:38] <tim2> hmm...
[20:15:58] <evocallaghan> tim2:Maybe update your BIOS
[20:15:59] <tim2> well, i can install the downloaded ISO file fine in VMWare workstation 5.5
[20:16:03] <tim2> yeah probably
[20:16:06] <evocallaghan> tim2:http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/grub/html_chapter/grub_13.html
[20:16:07] <tim2> amd64 issue,.
[20:16:23] <evocallaghan> tim2:Just a crap BIOS issue
[20:16:28] <Stric> tim2: if you're trying to do (open)solaris in vmware, I've heard there are issues with non-latest vmware
[20:16:44] <tim2> yeah, evocallaghan i think ur right
[20:16:57] <tim2> i just didn't want to go down there w/out confidence that it truly was ;)
[20:17:05] <tim2> i just want to get my workstation back up on snv_98
[20:17:13] <tim2> Stric: k, thx for warning.
[20:17:28] <tim2> belenix 0.7.1 works fine though
[20:17:34] <evocallaghan> tim2:I *always* update my FW on the MB whenever I get one
[20:17:40] <tim2> heh, k
[20:17:45] <tim2> thx guys
[20:17:52] <evocallaghan> np
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[20:19:00] <evocallaghan> codestr0m:Thanks, I forgot what /proc/cpuinfo looks like, i'll ask for a paste on the other chan
[20:19:26] <codestr0m> you should be able to get what you're looking for pretty easily
[20:19:34] <codestr0m> I had to do this recently with my mplayer port
[20:19:36] <Stric> evocallaghan: http://pastebin.com/m2f334bab  for instance
[20:19:44] <codestr0m> are you doing something with cflags?
[20:20:29] <evocallaghan> Stric:That's what I was looking for. Thanks
[20:20:49] <Stric> don't have any solaris machines running on same cpu though
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[20:26:53] <evocallaghan> Stric:No problem
[20:27:13] <evocallaghan> I got lots of Solaris boxs but no Linux ones in front of me
[20:28:01] <Asako> tons of linux stuff here
[20:29:09] <evocallaghan> poor you
[20:29:27] * evocallaghan had enoth of ext3 blowing up on me
[20:29:45] <evocallaghan> Its not very quick
[20:37:40] <Asako> yeah, ext3 blows
[20:37:57] <Asako> with all the servers we have it's actually pretty stable
[20:38:18] <Asako> once in a while you get a system with journal errors
[20:41:23] <Asako> what does tin and tout mean on iostat?
[20:42:05] <seanmcg> man iostat
[20:42:16] <Asako> that doesn't explain much
[20:43:06] <Asako> in fact it doesn't even mention those columns
[20:44:29] <Asako> it's funny my fonts look worse in windows
[20:44:58] <_setuid_H> Asako: tin   Shows the total number of characters read by the system for all ttys. tout   Shows the total number of characters written by the system to all ttys.
[20:45:10] <Asako> thanks
[20:45:17] <_setuid_H> Asako: no problems
[20:45:26] <Asako> iostat -x isn't showing my usb key
[20:46:43] <seanmcg> browsing the iostat src shows tin/tout are kstats rawch/outch respectively, as _setuid_H said
[20:47:45] <_setuid_H> Pls: does anybody know future plans for supporting 802.1x. I read that support is just for wireless (ath drivers)
[20:48:04] <_setuid_H> I really need to get wired support
[20:48:44] <e^ipi> patches welcome
[20:49:03] <ZOP> hmm  sounds like it's part of ath when it should be a subsystem/component all drivers can use....
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[21:19:17] <PaulR_> anyone play with xen on opensolaris?
[21:19:35] <seanmcg> a little
[21:19:42] <PaulR_> is there a problem with B99?
[21:19:46] <seanmcg> yes
[21:19:54] <PaulR_> damnit :)
[21:19:57] <seanmcg> on intel xeon systems
[21:20:03] <seanmcg> you got a panic ?
[21:20:08] <PaulR_> yep
[21:20:21] <seanmcg> known bug, fixed in b100
[21:20:29] <PaulR_> b100 isn't out yet is it?
[21:20:39] <seanmcg> another week or so
[21:20:59] <PaulR_> that's a bummer
[21:21:09] <PaulR_> I built a new jumpserver/environment just to test it
[21:23:20] <seanmcg> use 98 for now ?
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[21:23:58] <PaulR_> I would if I could get it
[21:24:11] <PaulR_> is there a place with an archive of older builds
[21:25:18] <seanmcg> can't still get it the 'normal' way ?
[21:25:37] <PaulR_> no...the Sun download page only lists the current release
[21:25:42] <h3sp4wn> _setuid_H: Have you tried xsupplicant (They don't seem to be Linux biased for once)
[21:27:20] <seanmcg> PaulR_, at least i think its fixed for b100, can confirm that right now :(
[21:27:23] <seanmcg> can't
[21:27:34] <PaulR_> yea - I've seen the bug report
[21:27:40] <PaulR_> just sucks - I hate to wait :)
[21:28:40] <seanmcg> thought the trick of s/snv_99/snv_98/ may work for the download ?
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[21:30:26] <PaulR_> let me see
[21:31:11] <PaulR_> anyone watching the Philly/Skins game?
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[21:32:52] <PaulR_> that "trick" doesn't work
[21:33:06] <PaulR_> I also can't stand there aren't mirrors for opensolaris
[21:33:43] <seanmcg> you mean for SXCE, I thought mirrors for the opensolaris (2008.05..) was allowed ?
[21:33:59] <_setuid_H> h3sp4wn: do you think it will work?
[21:34:00] <PaulR_> 2008.05 is
[21:34:08] <TomJ> Could anyone take a look at this pastebin. Got a ZFS confusion. I've added 14 x 400GB drives into two RAIDZ2s, striped.  The total size of the pool is showing 5TB, whereas I'm sure it should be 4TB (or slightly less as drives show 372gb available:  http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1220080
[21:34:35] <_setuid_H> h3sp4wn: I think that I somewhere read that it miss some solaris structures to get it work
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[21:39:39] <e^ipi> TomJ: ZFS doesn't account for duplication until it's used
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[21:40:13] <e^ipi> that is, a raidz of 3 1TB drives will show up as 3TB, but you will use it up much faster than you would think
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[21:47:14] <TomJ> ahh ok, thanks
[21:48:48] <TomJ> second question - trying to add a mirror to my rpool.  rpool consists of c4t0d0s0 (as done by installer.)  I then did:  fdisk -B /dev/rdsk/c3t0d0p0 ; prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c4t0d0s2 | fmthard -s - /dev/rdsk/c3t0d0s2 ;  zpool attach -f rpool c4t0d0s0 c3t0d0s0
[21:48:56] <TomJ> error is:  cannot attach c3t0d0s0 to c4t0d0s0: new device must be a single disk
[21:49:21] <TomJ> (this is b99 BTW)
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[21:51:22] <TomJ> (Oh, and I was an idiot on the capacity question - I see now that although zpool shows raw space, as you said,  zfs list was showing 3.7TB free all along, as expected.)
[21:52:17] <krn1p4n1c> has anyone else run into a permission denied issue after loopback mounting a file with lofiadm?
[21:55:27] * evocallaghan screams at MythTV code base
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[21:57:08] <evocallaghan> is_x86_cpu "$arch" && arch="x86_32"
[21:57:08] <evocallaghan> is_x86_64_cpu "$arch" && arch="x86_64" makes me sick !
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[22:02:59] <seanmcg> evocallaghan, why ?  cause it changes them to linux style ?  Curious
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[22:03:48] <evocallaghan> seanmcg:These people are using uname -m as the test case for 32 or 64 bit !?
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[22:04:02] <evocallaghan> seanmcg:http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/uname.html
[22:04:13] <evocallaghan> writes the *name* of the hardware, not the type !
[22:04:23] <seanmcg> ahh
[22:04:33] * evocallaghan pulls hair out
[22:04:47] <TomJ> is there any way to turn an existing directory on a ZFS filesystem into a dataset, save for moving it, making the dataset, and then moving all the data?
[22:04:49] <seanmcg> Sortkatt_, on solaris, one should use isainfo ?-)
[22:04:52] <evocallaghan> Going to have to rewrite a bit of this configure so that its not so silly
[22:05:13] <seanmcg> s/ Sortkatt_/so/
[22:05:21] <evocallaghan> seanmcg:isainfo -k
[22:05:36] <Asako> isainfo -b
[22:05:43] <seanmcg> whats the linux/bsd equiv ?
[22:05:49] <tsoome> TomJ i guess the data copy is only way...
[22:05:53] <Asako> bsd uses sysctl
[22:06:05] <evocallaghan> you could use -b yes
[22:06:11] <TomJ> tsoome: ok thanks
[22:06:17] <evocallaghan> That's prob a better idea
[22:06:44] <Asako> linux uname -m
[22:07:12] <seanmcg> Asako, thats what evocallaghan is losing hair over
[22:07:23] <Asako> I know
[22:07:46] <seanmcg> heh
[22:08:13] <evocallaghan> Not to worry, I need a hair cut anyways O_o
[22:08:18] <evocallaghan> Porting MythTV here
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[22:09:34] <Asako> hmm, that sounds like a lot of work
[22:09:57] <Asako> does solaris work with capture cards?
[22:10:39] <evocallaghan> There is a driver about
[22:10:51] <evocallaghan> I was going to talk to jamesd about it
[22:11:14] <evocallaghan> First job is to atlest make it build
[22:11:27] <evocallaghan> Get rid of there crud
[22:12:11] <evocallaghan> I don't think its going to be *alot* of work. I hope not anyway
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[22:14:08] <evocallaghan> What's the diff between -k and -n ?
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[22:22:05] <e^ipi> you know what's good for that sort of thing? the manual page
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[22:25:20] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:I read the man page
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[22:25:28] <evocallaghan> I don't get it though
[22:26:27] <serrs> evocallaghan: I've been running freevo for ~7 years.  Tried Myth about 1 month ago because the freevo box went down.  Myth is too complicated to navigate and slow directory listings...  also built in viewers don't do my camera vids.
[22:26:38] <Asako> how come I can't edit bookmarks in firefox?
[22:26:59] <Asako> I just run ushare and watch stuff on the xbox
[22:27:01] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: are you still talking about isainfo?
[22:27:02] <evocallaghan> serrs:You think I should not bother ?
[22:27:16] <Asako> anybody tried building ushare on solaris?
[22:27:22] <evocallaghan> CosmicDJ:Yes :p
[22:27:46] <Asako> it requires libdlna
[22:27:56] <CosmicDJ> evocallaghan: try isainfo -{k,n} -v
[22:28:13] <serrs> evocallaghan: not saying that...  just saying I'm confused that Myth has such a big market when from MPOV Freevo seems better.
[22:28:59] <serrs> maybe freevo is harder to setup I guess, discourages ppl.  A friend says Myth menus and "feel" is like MS Media Center.
[22:29:23] <evocallaghan> What is Freevo
[22:29:27] <Asako> I haven't tried either one
[22:29:29] <serrs> freevo.sf.net
[22:29:34] * evocallaghan gogogles
[22:29:35] <evocallaghan> :p
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[22:30:32] <evocallaghan> wow, looks neat
[22:30:36] <Asako> I might just buy a real tivo
[22:30:43] <evocallaghan> Does it build on solaris ?
[22:30:51] <serrs> there is geexbox for xbox guys..  a live cd
[22:30:56] <serrs> I think.  I know nothing about that
[22:31:01] <serrs> geexbox based on freevo
[22:31:06] <Asako> yeah, geexbox uses ushare
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[22:31:40] <serrs> tivo = $$$ for monthly schedules
[22:31:49] <evocallaghan> Out of interest, why does:psrinfo -vp | tail -1 | sed s\\t\\ not remove the tab in the front ?
[22:32:12] <hali> evocallaghan: is it a tab or spaces?
[22:32:17] <Asako> I can't afford to build another computer any way
[22:32:27] <hali> evocallaghan: od is your friend
[22:33:32] <serrs> Asako: best computer for HTPC...  Dell 400SC  :)  Quietest thing ever.
[22:33:52] <serrs> sure...  it's huge...  but you might need some drives.
[22:33:57] <hali> isn't that an old shitty dell tower?
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[22:34:14] <Asako> nah, I want like a mini-itx
[22:34:16] <hali> server grade with no good graphics slots
[22:34:31] <Asako> just connected to a huge nas
[22:34:32] <serrs> hali: yup.  2.4 P4  It is WAY quieter than my Antec P180
[22:34:34] <serrs> case
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[22:35:00] <serrs> old = cheap hopefully on ebay
[22:35:05] <evocallaghan> This OpenSolaris is useless. All the man pages are missing
[22:35:08] <evocallaghan> even od !
[22:35:25] <hali> that's odd :)
[22:35:32] <hali> od -a
[22:35:36] <seanmcg> cause they're mostly non-redistributable at he moment
[22:35:50] <Asako> mine has some man pages but not all
[22:36:23] <evocallaghan> Gezz, its just a man page. How long does it take to relicense them ?
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[22:36:29] <serrs> seanmcg: would sxce have less man pages than 2008.05?
[22:36:37] <evocallaghan> Hell no
[22:36:41] <seanmcg> nope
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[22:37:31] <evocallaghan> jamesd:hi
[22:37:50] <jamesd> hi
[22:37:50] <evocallaghan> Nar I don't get why I can't snip the front of it
[22:38:15] <evocallaghan> jamesd:Just looking at porting MythTV and though you would be interested
[22:38:26] <evocallaghan> Fixing there crappy configure
[22:38:56] <serrs> I'm going to try sxce for the flexible disk setup during install.
[22:39:09] <jamesd> yeah, sounds cool not sure how you are going to handle video/input and remote controls
[22:39:19] <Asako> src/api/upnpapi.c: In function `getlocalhostname':
[22:39:19] <Asako> src/api/upnpapi.c:3797: error: `SIOCGIFCONF' undeclared (first use in this function)
[22:39:22] <Asako> anybody seen that?
[22:40:57] <Asako> too much stuff assumes you're on linux
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[22:42:08] <evocallaghan> jamesd:Just wanted to get it to build first
[22:42:18] <evocallaghan> http://rafb.net/p/zSQDXG58.html anyone know what I am missing here ?
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[22:42:30] <serrs> evocallaghan: I just saw a sun guy is already working on a port of myth
[22:42:43] <evocallaghan> oh ?
[22:42:51] <evocallaghan> Why can I not see anything upstream ?
[22:43:13] <evocallaghan> serrs:I got the latest checkin
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[22:43:27] <serrs> oh ok
[22:44:00] <evocallaghan> serrs:Do you know his contacts ?
[22:44:06] <evocallaghan> like a irc nick ?
[22:44:21] <serrs> I see a slide presentation pdf.  he is Alan Perry
[22:44:39] <evocallaghan> hmm, think I know him ??
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[22:44:48] <evocallaghan> How long ago was that ?
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[22:45:42] <m3lling> hi. I put OpenSolaris 90 on my laptop a while ago.  Now I'm getting ready to put it to use.  Wondering if I should upgrade to 99 before I start working.  Any big changes?
[22:46:06] <Asako> is there a way to edit tags in rhythmbox?
[22:46:40] <Asako> I miss amarok
[22:46:48] <serrs> evocallaghan: google freevo opensolaris it's the first pdf, about 5th hit
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[22:51:26] <evocallaghan> Asako:99 is still not out yet on IPS ;[ but yea, upgrade when you can
[22:52:30] <evocallaghan> http://rafb.net/p/BwKcYa71.html This makes no freaking sense .. why is there still a leading \t ?
[22:52:32] <Asako> you mean amarok?
[22:53:27] <TomJ> m3lling: 99 has ZFS root, not sure if 90 did (or if it did, it would be very early and probably v buggy)
[22:53:55] <evocallaghan> Tomj:He is talking about OpenSolaris..
[22:54:06] <TomJ> oh sorry
[22:54:06] <PaulR_> 99 has problems with Xeon and Xen
[22:54:16] <TomJ> you can ugrade OSol to 99?
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[22:54:31] <evocallaghan> Dam this, it makes no sense !
[22:54:45] <PaulR_> anyone have build 98 anywhere?
[22:54:51] <evocallaghan> PaulR_:That's in the flag days..
[22:55:18] <PaulR_> evocallaghan:  yea...I'm trying to track down a previous build that doesn't have the problem
[22:56:31] <_setuid_H> PaulR_: I have it on the table :-)
[22:56:52] <evocallaghan> That's not a lot of help to him
[22:57:32] <evocallaghan> OK, can anyone help me with this sed problem. I am totally foobar'ed
[22:58:05] <Asako> sweet, amarok is on blastwave
[22:58:25] <evocallaghan> sed 's/^[ \t]*//' should remove any leading crud .. am I mistaken ?
[22:58:54] * evocallaghan scratches head
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[23:02:22] <Asako> not sure
[23:02:26] <Asako> you could use tr
[23:02:29] <m3lling> 90 doesn't have ZFS root.  That would be cool.  Guess I should wait a few versions though.
[23:03:52] <serrs> I don't see that sxce has any flexibility to partition/slice during install
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[23:04:56] <serrs> maybe you can do it all by hand..  in a window.
[23:04:59] <h3sp4wn> serrs: For ufs ?
[23:05:34] <h3sp4wn> You can partition but you only get to choose whether /var and / should be combined for zfs
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[23:05:43] <serrs> I need 2 slices on first 2 disks to do zfs root and a raidz
[23:06:09] <serrs> I hacked it with 2008.05, but wasn't totally happy
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[23:06:55] <h3sp4wn> I wouldn't be happy with more than 2 disks with the partition instead of whole disk setup (I have 4 - 2 mirrored pools)
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[23:07:53] <serrs> No one seems to do what I want to do.  a small root with a larger zraid.
[23:08:28] <serrs> if root and zraid could all live in a big default pool, I'd go full disk on all 4 disks.
[23:08:48] <h3sp4wn> You loose the use of the disk cache if you do it on a partition
[23:08:51] <evocallaghan> PaulR_:np
[23:08:56] <serrs> yup
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[23:11:38] <serrs> root zfs and raidz are like oil and water
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[23:15:04] <h3sp4wn> serrs: All I know is after b99 with its broken Nvidia sata driver not causing any damage to my files - a minor inconvenience is worth it (files are safe)
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[23:20:17] <e^ipi> any sun types around on a sunday afternoon?
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[23:22:26] <evocallaghan> What the dell ..
[23:22:36] <xRaich[o]2x> idiot....
[23:22:40] <evocallaghan> s/dell/hell/ was that about?
[23:24:21] <seanmcg> e^pi, not many..
[23:24:49] <seanmcg> e^pi, try kickban instead
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[23:25:05] *** sanzilla was kicked by e^ipi (e^ipi)
[23:25:10] <seanmcg> :)
[23:25:17] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: ban his ip
[23:25:19] <e^ipi> not sure why the ident ban didn't work
[23:25:49] <evocallaghan> You should have left him a nice msg
[23:25:54] <evocallaghan> :D
[23:26:10] <xRaich[o]2x> evocallaghan: why bother with low-lifes?
[23:26:33] <evocallaghan> Let some steam off
[23:26:40] <evocallaghan> These MythTV people sux
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[23:44:13] <serrs> it seems you can replace devices in a raidz, but you can't pull a raidz out of a pool.   zpool remove is documented not to work.  Is there some trick to do this?
[23:47:22] <Dominic> serrs: no, you can't shrink zpools by removing devices
[23:48:42] <e^ipi> s/by removing devices//g
[23:49:13] <sstallion> e^ipi: could you do me a huge favor ?
[23:49:21] <sstallion> pastebin onnv-gate's .hgtags
[23:49:23] <e^ipi> I can try
[23:49:24] <jamesd> remove two devices from your raidz and all your space is magicly free..
[23:49:28] <sstallion> or the first few tags
[23:50:25] <e^ipi> sstallion: do you mean the last few?
[23:50:31] <sstallion> yeah
[23:50:33] <serrs> can you migrate from one raidz to another inside of a zpool?
[23:50:42] <sstallion> just looking for the pattern (need to clone a tag)
[23:50:45] <e^ipi> serrs: yes, but you can't shrink them
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[23:52:26] <serrs> ok.  I don't want to shrink but...  in Linux RAID/MD + LVM.  I would shuffle off to a temp PV...  move things around make RAID bigger, then shuffle back to the bigger RAID.
[23:52:47] <serrs> I don't know if I can do this with zfs.
[23:53:04] <ZOP> heh hmmm...
[23:53:09] <ZOP> can't get xend to start
[23:53:29] <ZOP> xvm/store is a dependency and it refuses to enable
[23:54:59] <sstallion> ZOP: did you boot with the xVM option ?
[23:55:05] <ZOP> yes i did.
[23:55:21] <sstallion> e^ipi: nevermind, I was able to guess the tag ;)
[23:57:27] <jamesd> serrs, create bigger pool, migrate all data to it, relayout first pool as you wish or add to the second.
[23:57:52] <ZOP> http://pastebin.com/d46343a8b
[23:58:05] <ZOP> it's liek xvm/store is *disabling* everything else.
[23:58:42] <ZOP> coz i can enable things, they all end up waiting eventually on getting the store to work i enable the store and it disables itself and everything else.  so i'm confused heh
[23:59:12] <ZOP> there's no documentation on this anywhere, it seems to assume all this stuff just comes up.
[23:59:47] <e^ipi> sstallion: http://pastebin.ca/1220197





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