October 4, 2008 
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October 4, 2008 [00:00:18] <Aria> reiser doesn't compare to zfs in the slightest. [00:02:54] <benley> yeah, zfs doesn't murder your wife. [00:04:16] *** cypromis_ has joined #opensolaris [00:05:28] <_mary_kate_> has anyone actually used nca(1) in production? any opinions on it? [00:08:52] <sailorvrz__> benley, lol, that was a good one! [00:08:57] * Aria smirks. Indeed. [00:09:06] <Aria> Also, Reiser's on-disk format makes recovery really hard. [00:09:53] *** pablomh has quit IRC [00:10:21] <e^ipi> the_unmaker: lvm + reiser is comperable to ZFS only if you completely ignore what it is that ZFS does [00:11:43] *** cypromis has quit IRC [00:12:12] *** cypromis_ has quit IRC [00:12:45] <e^ipi> it's like saying that windows 3.1 is comperable to a modern operating system, because they've both got GUI's and both have some form of multitasking [00:13:07] <e^ipi> which, while true, completely glosses over the advances that a modern OS Has [00:13:31] <e^ipi> </monologue> [00:13:45] * _mary_kate_ wonders how you compere something [00:13:47] *** solarce has joined #opensolaris [00:14:51] <e^ipi> i'm a programmer, so long as my misspellings are consistent, it doesn't matter [00:15:28] <alanc> and thus the world is forever stuck with "creat()" [00:15:33] <Aria> ... Until you have to interface with systems other people write ;-) [00:15:59] <teknoprep> wow like omfg wow [00:16:03] <teknoprep> iscsi has never been so simple [00:16:10] <teknoprep> hey i would just like to say [00:16:20] <Stric> omgwtfbbq? [00:16:27] <teknoprep> OMFG.. solaris has some definite +'s over linux [00:17:01] <solarce> is anyone in here using the J4xxx arrays yet? [00:18:13] *** bnitz1 has quit IRC [00:19:47] <Aria> Solaris is consistent, for the most part. [00:20:07] <Aria> It has a few parts that are distinctly outdated feeling, but it's coherent in a way I've never met a linux that was. [00:20:30] <Aria> (BSD is similarly coherent, but different) [00:20:34] *** chumphries has quit IRC [00:22:18] *** arkibott has quit IRC [00:22:18] *** chonan has quit IRC [00:23:54] *** chonan has joined #OpenSolaris [00:24:04] <teknoprep> i am serously impressed with solaris... just overly letting you guys and gals know this [00:24:08] <teknoprep> shiny new toy [00:25:04] <teknoprep> how do i make my system run in 64bit mode [00:25:07] <teknoprep> i have opterons [00:25:15] <_mary_kate_> what makes you think it isn't? [00:25:28] <teknoprep> let me uname -a [00:25:30] <teknoprep> once it reboot [00:25:36] <_mary_kate_> uname doesn't indicate bitness [00:25:36] <hali> man isainfo [00:25:45] <_mary_kate_> look at the banner on reboot (which will say '64-bit') and run isainfo -b [00:26:13] <teknoprep> yes it is [00:26:16] <teknoprep> ty [00:26:22] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris [00:27:00] <teknoprep> how do i shutdown? [00:27:03] <teknoprep> shutdown is not a command [00:27:20] <benley> it's in /sbin [00:27:20] <teknoprep> oh i wasn't root nvm [00:28:18] <teknoprep> so... if i do not have this box connected to an AD controller.. how are Active Directory ACL's saved ? [00:28:30] <_mary_kate_> saved where? [00:28:43] <teknoprep> on the solaris system cifs share [00:28:55] <_mary_kate_> are you sure they're 'active directory ACLs' and not just filesystem acls? [00:29:07] <teknoprep> well they are FS acl's [00:29:15] <teknoprep> but if i set ACL's on a share from a windows machine [00:29:18] <_mary_kate_> how is active directory related? [00:29:35] <teknoprep> in CIFS will it only match the username ? [00:29:59] <teknoprep> well the UID of the username [00:30:40] <_mary_kate_> set an acl and run ls -lv on the file [00:31:54] <teknoprep> hmm thats not what i was really asking [00:32:07] <teknoprep> can i set the Permissions from a windows client ? [00:32:39] *** solarce has left #opensolaris [00:33:20] *** bigjohnto has quit IRC [00:35:18] <e^ipi> i already told you you could about 2 hours ago [00:37:28] <teknoprep> i have to setup the cifs server in domain mode [00:37:30] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [00:37:31] <teknoprep> i am reading up on it now [00:37:34] <teknoprep> sorry for asking lol [00:38:35] *** chonan has quit IRC [00:38:41] <houst0n-> Damn NTFS perms on cifs would be awesome [00:38:58] <houst0n-> NTFS perms are second to none imo, I'll gladly be corrected though =) [00:39:18] <hali> isn't that working already? [00:39:29] <hali> it's been working in samba for a while [00:39:30] <houst0n-> I didn't know anyone was working on it... [00:39:37] <houst0n-> Hm really? [00:39:40] <hali> it's just using posix acls [00:39:43] * houst0n- jumps to google at 3/4 bottle of wine speeds [00:39:47] <e^ipi> houst0n-: they're called ACL's, and we've had them for a while [00:40:00] <teknoprep> is there no NTFS permissions inside of Solaris Cifs ? [00:40:11] <teknoprep> that would not be good [00:40:15] *** chonan has joined #OpenSolaris [00:40:15] <e^ipi> teknoprep: they're called ACL's, and we've had them for a while [00:40:16] <hali> i would have thought so but have no real clue :) [00:40:16] <houst0n-> e^ipi: Is it possible to tie em in with AD? [00:40:23] <teknoprep> e^ipi, ok coold [00:40:30] <e^ipi> NFSv4 / ZFS acl's are modelled after the windows acl's [00:40:31] <hali> houst0n-: yes'ish [00:40:42] <houst0n-> yesish, haha ok [00:40:46] <hali> houst0n-: you set the acl's for unix users obviously but you can map them to ad users [00:40:56] <houst0n-> So not really then no [00:41:14] <houst0n-> Interop isn't high on MS's agenda I guess [00:41:18] <hali> the unix users can be AD users of course [00:41:25] <hali> you can login via kerberos+ldap from ad [00:41:26] <houst0n-> Yes, but it just creates local users [00:41:29] <houst0n-> it's not the same [00:41:35] <hali> no [00:41:43] <hali> well it can use "real" ad users [00:42:01] <hali> you can even login to your solaris box using your AD account [00:42:04] <e^ipi> man idmap [00:42:13] <houst0n-> It's been a while since I've read anything on the subject, I'll do some research I guess [00:42:18] <houst0n-> Thanks =) [00:42:52] <teknoprep> skrew this all... iscsi target -> vmware guest (windows server 2003) -> CIFS share [00:42:56] <teknoprep> thats the way to doit [00:42:58] <teknoprep> its easy and fast [00:43:01] <e^ipi> what? why? [00:43:05] <e^ipi> that seems ridiculous [00:43:20] <teknoprep> e^ipi, why is that rediculous? [00:43:33] <teknoprep> e^ipi, ppl have been using that model in SAN storage forever [00:43:54] <teknoprep> e^ipi, NT4 shares with FC attached SAN [00:43:56] <e^ipi> because we have a cifs server that integrates with AD and has windows-style ACL's [00:44:27] <teknoprep> but i have to allow routing to the SAN (solaris box) from the LAN [00:44:34] <teknoprep> can not privatize the SAN storage then [00:44:44] <houst0n-> e^ipi: Well, I've never seen anyone choose solaris for a corp. cifs server... It's 2k3 all the way in my shop for this [00:44:57] <houst0n-> I'd like to see that change, but no one will ever get fired for choosing ms [00:45:04] <houst0n-> As the saying goes... [00:45:09] <teknoprep> houst0n-, i have ALOT of samba servers connected to AD... performance is much better [00:45:10] *** capaz has left #opensolaris [00:45:17] *** bluemeani1 has joined #opensolaris [00:45:20] <e^ipi> the saying actually goes with IBM [00:45:28] <teknoprep> houst0n-, i have used a ton of OpenFiler loaded servers for this in the past [00:45:33] <e^ipi> plenty of people have been fired for choosing MS [00:45:49] <houst0n-> e^ipi: I've never been fortunate enough to see it [00:46:01] <houst0n-> I'm however, fairly young [00:46:02] <houst0n-> :P [00:46:04] <teknoprep> i prefer the mixture of OS's [00:46:13] <teknoprep> Linux Windows Unix has its place [00:46:22] <teknoprep> i would never run asterisk on anything but a linux box [00:46:30] <houst0n-> asterisk? [00:46:40] <teknoprep> VoIP PBX [00:46:45] <houst0n-> Aha [00:47:07] <teknoprep> thats about half of our consultations [00:47:13] <teknoprep> since the ROI is obvious [00:47:15] <houst0n-> I randomly saw an ISA box being used as a vpn concentrator this week, which suprised me... It's apparently exceptional at it [00:47:39] <teknoprep> using VMware is not as obvious to med size companies... while VoIP infrastructures are [00:47:39] <houst0n-> Err concentrator may be the wrong word [00:47:59] <teknoprep> houst0n-, ipsec to BSD [00:48:02] <houst0n-> ESX seems cool [00:48:13] <teknoprep> ESX is great [00:48:21] <houst0n-> Saw a vmotion demo [00:48:36] <houst0n-> Moving vms from physical box to another without dropping connections... Voodoo I tell ya [00:48:37] *** InZpoolTrouble has joined #opensolaris [00:48:41] <teknoprep> thats why i am working with solaris right now.. to work on a new SAN solution for our company... we only used HP AIO 1200's and Storevault [00:48:46] <teknoprep> both are very expensive [00:48:48] <InZpoolTrouble> Hi Okona [00:48:51] <teknoprep> i want to reduce the TCO [00:48:56] <e^ipi> teknoprep: that's silly, asterisk runs with 3x more concurrent connections on solaris vs. linux [00:48:59] *** Aria has quit IRC [00:49:10] <teknoprep> e^ipi, i still wouldn't run it on solaris.. sorry [00:49:11] <InZpoolTrouble> dropped by to thank you for the help [00:49:17] <teknoprep> e^ipi, i have too much experience with linux [00:49:36] <houst0n-> What do you generally use for this? rhel? [00:49:42] <teknoprep> yes rhel [00:50:07] <houst0n-> We have a few racks of that, I don't touch em though.. Never seen one of them die :/ [00:50:35] <teknoprep> i find its one of the better linux distro's [00:50:50] <teknoprep> like centos also.. its basically free version of RHEL [00:51:30] * houst0n- nods [00:53:35] *** spiki has joined #opensolaris [00:53:35] <teknoprep> but in all honesty [00:53:42] *** TomJ has quit IRC [00:53:44] <teknoprep> from a SAN standpoint [00:53:53] <teknoprep> solaris is great [00:54:11] <teknoprep> i would much rather prefer installing it on an IDE solid state card [00:54:16] <teknoprep> with hardware raid 1 [00:54:26] <teknoprep> then i would be able to use the 2 disks that i have the OS on [00:54:49] <teknoprep> instead of having to reduce my total capacity by 2hdd's just for an OS mirror [00:54:51] <teknoprep> i do hate that [00:56:23] <houst0n-> Bah I'm beat, been at work for 12 hours last 3 days, flew 500 miles, sank a bottle of wine.. Time to sleep [00:56:23] <houst0n-> Laters folks =) [00:56:52] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [00:57:09] *** syamajala2 has quit IRC [00:57:24] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC [00:59:14] <teknoprep> heh [00:59:17] <teknoprep> thats it ? [01:00:46] <teknoprep> i haven't got a hard on for computer stuff in a long time.. thanx everyone [01:00:48] <teknoprep> lol [01:03:17] *** chonan has quit IRC [01:03:58] <bluemeani1> Are there any screen-real-estate whores in the room that run solaris/opensolaris across multiple physical X11 displays, NOT in Xinerama mode, that I can compare notes/frustrations with? [01:05:15] <Auralis> i did run solaris 7 or so back in the days across 4 screens [01:05:19] *** chonan has joined #OpenSolaris [01:05:23] <teknoprep> x11 doesn't even start on my system [01:05:27] <teknoprep> but i don't care either [01:06:33] <teknoprep> No valid FontPath could be found. [01:06:41] <teknoprep> lol anyone know what to do / [01:09:05] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris [01:09:27] <asarch> Where are the development packages for SXCE? [01:10:10] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [01:10:57] *** dunc has quit IRC [01:14:37] *** InZpoolTrouble has quit IRC [01:17:44] *** Gekz has quit IRC [01:21:07] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [01:23:26] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [01:24:18] <teknoprep> so once a RAIDz is created .. i can not add or remove disk's from it?? [01:26:00] <jamesd> teknoprep, you could remove a drive, but it also puts the raidz in a state of being degraded [01:26:11] <teknoprep> what about adding ? [01:26:15] <jamesd> so if you loose another disk your data is lost. [01:26:33] <jamesd> teknoprep, nope. you can add another raidz set. [01:26:35] <teknoprep> you can't dynamicly add disk's to a raid=z [01:26:48] <jamesd> nope, not yet, but its an often asked for feature [01:26:54] <teknoprep> hmm [01:27:04] <alanc> asarch: the development packages for SXCE are included in the SXCE CD's/DVD's, except for the Sun Studio compiler, which is a separate download [01:27:17] <nachox> evening [01:27:25] <_mary_kate_> teknoprep: but you can add another raidz stripe to the pool [01:27:34] <_mary_kate_> so if you use 4-disk stripes you can expand with 4 disks at once [01:28:31] <teknoprep> hmm [01:29:10] <teknoprep> work-arounds [01:29:17] <_mary_kate_> it's not a workaround [01:29:18] <asarch> ? [01:29:40] <teknoprep> its a pretty old or basic feature to be able to expand not add to an array [01:29:44] <teknoprep> or pool [01:29:46] <teknoprep> or volume [01:29:50] <_mary_kate_> for a raid5 array? not really [01:29:51] <teknoprep> or whatever you want to call it [01:30:02] <_mary_kate_> some implementations can do it, some can't [01:30:05] <teknoprep> sure i doit in linux all the time [01:30:08] <_mary_kate_> (you can expand a mirror or stripe, obviously) [01:30:45] <jamesd> teknoprep, well if its a deal breaker you can use, linux or vertias volumne manager, or a hardware scsi controller... [01:31:00] <_mary_kate_> a hardware raid controller might be more useful.. ;) [01:31:06] <teknoprep> no i doubt that [01:31:11] <teknoprep> i don't really like hardware raid [01:31:18] <jamesd> but then you don't get end to end checksums, clones, snapshots, and compression [01:31:43] <teknoprep> unless the raid controller has some very nice Volume Configurations ... where you can setup arrays / volumes with different raid levels [01:31:47] <teknoprep> they are useless [01:31:57] <teknoprep> i love the HP AIO 1200's they come with very nice raid cards [01:32:03] <teknoprep> but other than that ... skrew hardware raid [01:32:16] <asarch> alanc, and where is the NetBeans enviroment (all Java packages): [01:32:48] <alanc> I think that's bundled with the Studio compilers [01:32:56] <asarch> Oh [01:33:00] <alanc> I was thinking you meant all the packages with headers, libraries, etc. [01:33:13] <teknoprep> hey this is really my like last questoin of the night [01:33:24] <matsuura> o_o [01:33:25] <teknoprep> how is RAID-z perfromance compaired to raid-5 [01:33:38] <asarch> No, NetBeans and all the development packages of Java [01:33:41] <asarch> :-P [01:33:42] <teknoprep> well i have one other after this [01:34:00] <_mary_kate_> teknoprep: are you comparing it against a raid5 implementation on solaris? or do you want to know how raidz compares to a linux system running md raid5? [01:34:02] <jamesd> teknoprep, if sun would of put the effort to make raidz expandible it would of added years to its development, to get where its stabile and scalible, so we might not have ZFS yet if they would of waited. [01:34:29] <teknoprep> jamesd i understand [01:34:49] <teknoprep> _mary_kate_, i was wondering against something like a hardware 3ware raid5 controller [01:36:32] <jamesd> teknoprep, really for a few hundred more you can start with your end point instead of trying to grow to it... [01:36:56] <_mary_kate_> or spend nothing and use vx ;) [01:37:01] <_mary_kate_> (not on SXCE, though) [01:37:05] <teknoprep> i already have my endpoint [01:37:12] *** cky has joined #opensolaris [01:37:16] <jamesd> and there really is a limit to the number of disks you should put in a raidz group, performance degrades after you get to 8 data disks in a raidz [01:37:33] <teknoprep> i have 10 in my raidz [01:37:40] <teknoprep> is that bad ? [01:37:44] <_mary_kate_> yes [01:37:46] <teknoprep> 10 scsi drives [01:37:47] <jamesd> that is not recomended. [01:37:54] <_mary_kate_> that's bad in raid5 too.. split it into a stripe of 2 5-disk sets [01:38:10] <teknoprep> hmm [01:38:14] <_mary_kate_> you only lose 1 disk of storage + it's probably faster [01:38:28] <jamesd> teknoprep, you also have an issue that if 2 of the 10 disks died your data could be corrupt or not availible as well. [01:38:44] <teknoprep> i have a backup [01:38:52] <teknoprep> well 2 backups [01:39:10] <teknoprep> 10 scsi disks over raidz is bad eh ? [01:39:11] *** sailorvrz__ has quit IRC [01:39:28] *** bluemeani1 has left #opensolaris [01:39:30] <teknoprep> i am using this on a VMware configuration... every file is huge [01:39:38] <jamesd> teknoprep, i have had to break the bad news to a client that there data is gone because 2 disks failed before they got the replacement disk synced up, thus they had to spend thousands of dollars to recover the data. [01:39:46] <_mary_kate_> teknoprep: the disk interface doesn't make a difference [01:39:59] *** derchris has quit IRC [01:40:03] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [01:40:14] <jamesd> teknoprep, there are only 2 types of disks, disks that have failed, and those that will fail. [01:40:22] <teknoprep> yes i know jamesd [01:40:25] <teknoprep> we have all heard that one [01:41:07] <the_unmaker> hey gents [01:41:17] <the_unmaker> so is the java ws7 liek 3x the speed fo tomcat? [01:41:18] <teknoprep> _mary_kate_, in a stripe of 2 5-disk sets.. you loose 2 disks [01:41:20] <the_unmaker> or is taht liek bs [01:41:20] <the_unmaker> ? [01:41:35] <the_unmaker> i am considering actually listening to sun and using opensolaris+java [01:41:41] <the_unmaker> but wow web stuff seems endless to learn [01:41:48] <the_unmaker> cant you do web stuff more simply? [01:41:55] <_mary_kate_> teknoprep: yes, which is 1 more than in a 10-disk set. [01:41:56] *** TomJ has joined #opensolaris [01:41:59] <the_unmaker> I dunno maybe common lisp is cooler [01:42:02] <_mary_kate_> teknoprep: so, compared to what you're doing now, you lose 1 disk of storage [01:42:07] <the_unmaker> or tcl [01:42:19] <the_unmaker> aolervers offers mutlithreaded for scalability [01:42:23] <the_unmaker> and tlc built in [01:42:34] <the_unmaker> that plus postgresql [01:42:38] <the_unmaker> might rck for my website [01:42:49] <the_unmaker> wow standard ml also now has an apaceh moduel [01:42:50] <the_unmaker> woa [01:43:03] <the_unmaker> is opensoalris slower than linux on boxes with 4 or less core? [01:43:54] <storycrafter> unmaker, hitting the sauce on this fine friday evening? [01:44:21] <teknoprep> how can i test how fast i create say an 8gb file [01:44:36] <_mary_kate_> mkfile 8g testfile [01:44:45] <_mary_kate_> (make sure compression is turned off, or it won't actually write anything) [01:45:16] <teknoprep> compression on ZFS ? [01:45:20] <_mary_kate_> yes [01:45:26] <teknoprep> yeah thats at 1.00x [01:45:55] <teknoprep> hmm taking awhile [01:46:06] <storycrafter> ladies, gents, have a great weekend [01:46:09] *** storycrafter has left #opensolaris [01:47:04] *** jbasse has quit IRC [01:47:12] <teknoprep> how long should this take ? [01:48:02] <xtrondo> teknoprep: X doens't start on "your" snv is build 99 ? [01:48:07] <teknoprep> nope [01:48:12] <turtle> probably as long as it takes for whatever disk configuration you have to write 8gb. [01:48:52] <teknoprep> how do i list processes ? [01:50:30] *** montcalm has joined #opensolaris [01:51:14] *** montcalm has quit IRC [01:51:49] *** AxeZ_ has quit IRC [01:52:33] *** the_unmaker has quit IRC [01:52:37] <TomJ> ps -ef, prstat [01:52:39] <nachox> _mary_kate_, i dont think it will write anything even without compression [01:53:05] <_mary_kate_> nachox: it will [01:53:27] <_mary_kate_> export 24.6G 10.2T 0 1.38K 0 175M [01:53:27] <_mary_kate_> export 24.6G 10.2T 0 4.77K 0 602M [01:53:27] <_mary_kate_> export 24.6G 10.2T 0 5.82K 0 733M [01:53:27] <_mary_kate_> export 24.6G 10.2T 8 5.44K 4.46K 686M [01:53:40] <turtle> sweet [01:54:04] *** rab has quit IRC [02:00:04] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [02:01:31] *** spiki has quit IRC [02:02:32] <xtrondo> for fresh installs on b99 that X doesn't start, workaround is here: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=77077&tstart=0 [02:04:33] *** bluemeani1 has joined #opensolaris [02:09:10] *** Auralis has quit IRC [02:09:42] *** Auralis has joined #opensolaris [02:11:57] *** Auralis has quit IRC [02:13:26] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [02:14:11] *** Auralis has joined #opensolaris [02:19:49] *** cosmo-kramer has quit IRC [02:20:05] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [02:20:18] *** stradi has quit IRC [02:22:55] <Yorlik> I have a 1G datalink on my machine (e1000g) but only a 100M uplink. Autonegotiate is on and the linkls agreed to full duplex. Now I have odd connection chokes when I'm on the server with ssh and other net serviced (firefox is awfullyslowly loading on a remote X desktop). Is it possible my link is toofast for the gateway and thus the problem ? I wonder how to track down and fick this. [02:23:38] <Yorlik> This happens from different clients,so i think its the server [02:24:20] <Yorlik> MTU is set to 1500 as it should be. [02:25:23] <Yorlik> It allso appears to happen shortly after connecting .. some seconds data transfer is good, then it chokes [02:27:45] *** sickness has quit IRC [02:28:00] *** timsf has quit IRC [02:34:03] *** spiki has joined #opensolaris [02:43:33] <evocallaghan> Hi [02:43:45] <evocallaghan> Going to http://opensolaris.org/os/blogs/ gets a Stack Trace [02:44:32] <ZOP> Yorlik: you might be hitting the same driver bug I was, I haven't had time to look into it, but basically the e1000 goes away for a while at a time and comes back, it has nothign to do with the uplink. [02:44:54] <Yorlik> Huh .. that sounds odd ... [02:45:45] <jamesd> evocallaghan, works fine here [02:46:48] <nachox> works ok here too [02:47:49] *** vistadude has joined #opensolaris [02:47:51] *** vistadude has quit IRC [02:47:57] <evocallaghan> jamesd:http://rafb.net/p/gJbdM426.html [02:49:11] <evocallaghan> Although, after the 3^rd refresh it seems to work now [02:51:55] *** dsch04_ has joined #opensolaris [02:51:59] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [02:55:55] *** stevel has quit IRC [02:56:18] *** gecjr has quit IRC [03:03:42] *** bluemeani1 has quit IRC [03:05:52] *** McBofh_ has joined #opensolaris [03:08:31] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [03:08:50] *** nachox has quit IRC [03:11:46] *** Odin- has quit IRC [03:12:56] <TomJ> How does write caching work in ZFS? I think I heard that ZFS detects whether the controller has battery-backed cache, and only write-caches if it does? [03:13:10] <teknoprep> zpool create tank mirror c1d0 c2d0 mirror c3d0 c4d0 [03:13:15] <teknoprep> would that create a raid 10 ? [03:13:20] <teknoprep> or this [03:13:21] <TomJ> teknoprep: yes [03:13:24] <e^ipi> yes [03:13:28] <teknoprep> zpool create tank mirror c1d0 c2d0 mirror c3d0 c4d0 [03:13:28] <teknoprep> mirror c5d0 c6d0 [03:13:41] *** sah-work has quit IRC [03:13:44] <teknoprep> zpool create tank mirror c1d0 c2d0 mirror c3d0 c4d0 mirror c5d0 c6d0 [03:13:45] <TomJ> ? your second example was the same as the first [03:13:51] <TomJ> well that creates a bigger raid 10 [03:13:55] <teknoprep> ok thank you [03:14:01] <teknoprep> i am going to create raid 10 then [03:14:07] <teknoprep> supposedly its faster [03:14:10] <TomJ> that's the most secure, and the most performant [03:14:17] <TomJ> but you get less space than with raidz or raidz2 [03:14:23] <teknoprep> thats fine [03:14:26] <teknoprep> its not an issue [03:14:32] <teknoprep> i have 10x146gb drives [03:14:42] <teknoprep> i don't really need more than 300gigs [03:14:44] <teknoprep> just speed [03:15:04] <teknoprep> can i clone this to another box that just has 4 sata drives in it [03:15:11] <teknoprep> will that matter ? [03:15:54] <TomJ> you can use zfs send / zfs receive to send individual ZFS filesystems [03:16:06] *** yarihm has quit IRC [03:16:24] <TomJ> and that can be recursive too, i.e. to send the whole lo [03:16:26] <TomJ> *lot [03:16:32] <TomJ> obviously youll need enough space on the destination [03:17:23] <teknoprep> yeah i just want the clone for backup [03:17:29] <teknoprep> VMFS from vmware [03:17:52] *** McBofh has quit IRC [03:19:05] *** ShanghaiScott has joined #opensolaris [03:20:25] <TomJ> hmm, from Wikipedia: "..or as a RAID-Z2 group of four or more devices." [03:20:31] <TomJ> who on earth would use RAIDZ2 with 4 drives? [03:21:04] <teknoprep> someone wanting to setup a redundant storage array that doesn't need alot of speed [03:22:01] <TomJ> with 4 drives in a RAIDZ2, you get 2 disks of data, identical to RAID10, but you have extra checksum overheads and you now can't expand your pool [03:22:13] <TomJ> the minimum you'd ever actually use with RAIDZ2 would be 5 drives [03:25:31] <jamesd> TomJ, theoretically you could loose data with a raid10 where in a raidz you can't loose data if two disks fail [03:26:00] <TomJ> hmm yes that's true I suppose [03:30:17] <teknoprep> so for performance... you guys would suggest a 10HDD scsi raid 10 ZFS pool.. over a 10HDD scsi raid-z ZFS pool ? [03:31:19] <TomJ> well you definitely would not use a 10 disk raidz [03:31:30] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [03:31:30] <teknoprep> ok [03:31:36] <TomJ> that can only survive one disk failure before data loss, highly risky iwth 10 drives [03:31:51] <TomJ> 10 drive raidz2 is a possibility, and you get 3 drives more of data tahn with RAID 10 [03:32:03] <TomJ> but yes, performance will be lower, and CPU usage higher [03:32:14] <teknoprep> 2x 5hdd raidz array vs 1 10 hdd raid 10 [03:32:31] <TomJ> what are your requirements? [03:32:35] <teknoprep> speed [03:32:42] <TomJ> then use RAID 10. [03:32:44] <teknoprep> maximum performance [03:32:45] <teknoprep> ok [03:33:00] <TomJ> read or write speed or both? [03:33:28] <TomJ> if read spead is paramount, then ultimate performance would be 9 drives in a striped three-way-mirror [03:33:37] *** fr4g has quit IRC [03:33:40] <TomJ> zpool create tank mirror d1 d2 d3 mirror d4 d5 d6 mirror d7 d8 d9 [03:33:51] <TomJ> writes may or may not be slower than a standard raid 10 depending on your controller [03:34:03] <teknoprep> lsimega [03:34:06] <TomJ> that's also much safer than a RAID 10 [03:34:11] <TomJ> but you lose a lot of space of course [03:34:19] *** comay has quit IRC [03:34:27] <_mary_kate_> jamesd: i don't unerstand that comment... a raid10 can lose up to half the drives (if it happens to be the right drives - only one of each mirrored pair) without data loss while a raid5 stripe can only lose a single drive - any other failure causes data loss [03:34:37] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: we were talking about raid6 [03:34:50] <_mary_kate_> hm, he said raidz [03:35:02] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: with a raid6 of 4 drives, any 2 can fail with no loss of data. with a raid 10 of 4 drives, if the 'wrong' two fail (both halves of one stripe), then you're down [03:35:23] <TomJ> ok but he meant raidz2, I had asked what the point of a 4 disk raidz2 was (as it has same capacity as raid10 but slower performance) [03:36:46] <jamesd> _mary_kate_, if both drives in a mirrored pair died ( or the wrong two drive) you could loose enough drives to loose data. [03:37:12] <_mary_kate_> jamesd: yes, i understand now you meant raidz2. but with a normal raidz, any two disks failing will lose data [03:39:39] <teknoprep> i don't understand why i can do RAID-6 on a storevault san array [03:39:48] <teknoprep> but ZFS suggests i do not do this [03:39:55] <teknoprep> is WAFL a better File System > [03:39:57] <teknoprep> ? [03:40:08] <_mary_kate_> teknoprep: you _can_ do it with zfs too [03:40:13] <_mary_kate_> that doesn't mean it's a good idea [03:40:27] <teknoprep> its extremly fast on the Netapp Storevaults [03:41:00] <_mary_kate_> most hardware raid controllers implement complex raid levels with asics [03:41:31] <teknoprep> its software raid [03:41:35] <teknoprep> its a unix OS [03:41:37] <teknoprep> netapp's OS [03:41:42] <teknoprep> doesn't use hardware raid [03:42:21] <TomJ> so my SAS controllers have battery backed cache. does this mean I should set: set zfs:zfs_nocacheflush=1 so that ZFS wont keep fsyncing them? 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[04:00:37] *** Auralis has quit IRC [04:04:41] *** asarch has quit IRC [04:05:03] <evocallaghan> matsuura:ATi cards should work yes [04:05:54] <matsuura> well, my screen freaks out when I start up the live cd, from what I was able to read, looked like it was using th vgatext driver [04:06:09] <matsuura> how would I go about grabbing this fglrx driver [04:09:37] *** golqm-noob has quit IRC [04:10:41] <alanc> matsuura: Xorg open source drivers for ATI cards yes, fglrx no - ATI hasn't ported it [04:11:18] *** Gekz has quit IRC [04:11:31] <matsuura> alanc: damn... :( [04:11:39] <matsuura> those ones dont work >_< [04:15:44] <Auralis_> best fix is to grab a nvidia card [04:16:55] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [04:16:55] <matsuura> not in a laptop [04:16:58] <matsuura> :( [04:17:10] <Auralis_> well, ueah, that is a problem indeed [04:17:16] <matsuura> :p [04:21:58] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [04:22:16] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [04:25:34] *** bluemeanie has joined #opensolaris [04:26:05] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [04:26:05] *** cky has quit IRC [04:26:05] *** seanmcg has quit IRC [04:26:05] *** lesterc has quit IRC [04:26:05] *** cmihai has quit IRC [04:26:05] *** masta has quit IRC [04:26:06] *** medar has quit IRC [04:26:06] *** zenbalrog has quit IRC [04:26:06] *** Hunger- has quit IRC [04:26:06] *** Okona has quit IRC [04:26:06] *** mist has quit IRC [04:26:07] *** dclarke has quit IRC [04:26:07] *** kaleb has quit IRC [04:26:07] *** benley has quit IRC [04:26:08] *** sstallion has quit IRC [04:26:08] *** Dar_LAB has quit IRC [04:26:08] *** knix has quit IRC [04:26:08] *** timelyx has quit IRC [04:26:08] *** ocr has quit IRC [04:26:08] *** Burn has quit IRC [04:26:08] *** alanc has quit IRC [04:26:08] *** ballChalk has quit IRC [04:26:08] *** jbk has quit IRC [04:26:08] *** Bartman007 has quit IRC [04:26:08] *** chrisg has quit IRC [04:26:08] *** oholiks has quit IRC [04:26:13] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [04:26:26] *** alanc has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** cky has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** cmihai has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** masta has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** medar has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** zenbalrog has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** Hunger- has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** Okona has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** mist has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** chrisg has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** benley has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** kaleb has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** Dar_LAB has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** knix has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** timelyx has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** ocr has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** Burn has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** ballChalk has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** oholiks has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** Bartman007 has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** jbk has joined #opensolaris [04:26:26] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o alanc [04:26:33] *** MrBIOS_ has quit IRC [04:27:28] <bluemeanie> Ok, gonna try again. :) Is there anyone here that's using Nevada b99 with multiple displays (not in Xinerama mode) that is willing to compare notes/issues? 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[05:31:42] <dizko> building zope and shit is annoying [05:32:55] <Auralis_> jds buil d99 comes with transmission [05:35:41] <dizko> nice [05:44:53] *** srira2 has joined #opensolaris [05:51:27] <ZOP> hm [05:52:06] <ZOP> evocallaghan: if the boot drives installed by b97 are visible to the bios it hangs after the SAS controller returns to it. [05:52:22] <ZOP> it hink it's checkign teh MBR and finding something inconsistent or ot doesn't like, and not handling it well at all. [05:52:32] <ZOP> machine booted/boots nexenta 2.0a1 fine [05:53:07] *** chris_unix_dude has joined #opensolaris [05:53:49] <e^ipi> ZOP: some bioeses are retarded, and don't handle zpools with EFI labels correctly [05:54:17] <e^ipi> i personally can't wait until BIOS dies, even if something like EFI takes over it can't really be any worse [05:55:09] <ZOP> yeah i'm thinking it's that because thats the major difference between Nexenta and OpenSolaris is that Opensolaris is going to definitely use EFI labels [05:55:17] <ZOP> BIOS needed to die a long time ago. [05:55:20] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [05:57:04] <ZOP> e^ipi: any way around it? [05:57:48] <ZOP> the LSI controller can hide teh drives fromt eh bios but still init so it's available to the OS (thank god someone inside of LSI thought of situations similar to this) [05:59:35] <CIA-25> Qiyan Sun - Sun Microsystems - San Diego United States <Qiyan.Sun at Sun dot COM>: 6754474 hxge - VLAN connectivity does not work most of the time [06:00:14] <ZOP> the other issue i won't be able to look at until i get it booting but i think b97's e1000 driver was/is broken on my system [06:00:20] <ZOP> i know nexenta's is somewhat broken [06:00:29] <ZOP> it goes away for a minute or so of every hour [06:00:51] <ZOP> i haven't looked closer at it but it looks similar to a bug we saw with linux involving the MAC addresses getting inverted somehow. [06:04:37] <e^ipi> *shrug* [06:04:51] <e^ipi> the EFI labels are only if you give ZFS a full disk [06:04:56] <e^ipi> zfs root doesn't do that [06:05:01] <e^ipi> ( it'd be impossible to anyways ) [06:05:12] *** alanc is now known as alanc_away [06:08:06] <e^ipi> the issue just reminded me of my old sempron which had a UFS boot disk, if the BIOS probed the sata disks ( which were all given to ZFS as full disks ) it'd puke and not boot [06:11:00] <ZOP> hmmmm [06:11:17] <ZOP> it seemed ok when i was UFS rooted...shit i wonder if it's ordering dependant [06:11:23] <ZOP> ok atleast that gives me some ideas. [06:11:50] <ZOP> i THINK i can get the LSI to hide individual devices in the tree. [06:18:53] *** wavejumper has joined #opensolaris [06:28:26] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [06:31:41] *** Cookie` has joined #opensolaris [06:35:14] *** turtle has quit IRC [06:39:35] *** sponix has joined #opensolaris [06:41:11] *** snude has joined #opensolaris [06:41:52] <snude> hi [06:41:59] <snude> does open solaris have a package manager ? [06:42:06] <snude> im new to it. [06:42:18] <snude> have been running linux for a few years. [06:43:48] <snude> and im sick of it [06:44:12] <snude> like in time, it gets slower in performance. like windows. [06:47:55] *** Gekz_ has joined #OpenSolaris [06:48:28] *** Gekz has quit IRC [06:48:36] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [06:49:37] *** dorijan_ has quit IRC [06:49:45] *** Gekz_ is now known as Gekz [06:50:10] *** dorijan_ has joined #opensolaris [06:56:59] <e^ipi> snude: yes, it does [07:00:31] <snude> does solaris do that too? [07:00:54] <snude> and does solaris have support for dvd's, flash, and mp3's and video files? [07:01:12] *** ali_bb has joined #opensolaris [07:01:37] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [07:09:15] <e^ipi> solaris has a package manager, but not in the way you're thinking [07:09:22] <e^ipi> it doesn't have a network repository [07:09:26] <e^ipi> opensolaris 2008.05 does [07:09:42] <e^ipi> i've never had a problem with flash or mp3, video is on it's way [07:10:55] <snude> is open solars good for studying for SCSA ? [07:13:46] <e^ipi> probably not [07:14:26] <e^ipi> it's somewhat different from mainstream solaris [07:15:18] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [07:17:40] *** McBofh__ has joined #opensolaris [07:17:50] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [07:18:37] *** AliBB has quit IRC [07:21:30] <ormandj> snude: so, when you're talking about solaris having support for dvds/mp3s/video files, that's not an out-of-the-box thing [07:21:42] <ormandj> and compiling mplayer/vlc isn't exactly straight-forward, either [07:21:48] <ormandj> most people end up using blastwave or something of the sort [07:21:52] <ormandj> so do keep that in mind... [07:22:13] *** sponix has quit IRC [07:23:01] <Gekz> why does Solaris want to break into the desktop market [07:23:05] <Gekz> it is not ready >_> [07:23:35] <ormandj> Gekz: join indiana-discuss and discuss it [07:24:32] <Gekz> hell no [07:24:36] <Gekz> I'm not getting that on my shoes [07:25:40] <ormandj> Gekz: then i suppose your question isn't worth responding to :) [07:27:07] *** McBofh_ has quit IRC [07:27:37] <Gekz> it was rhetoric. [07:38:18] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [07:38:37] *** Rarok has quit IRC [07:48:11] *** kokoko1 has quit IRC [07:49:15] *** snude has quit IRC [07:52:05] <oxygene> Gekz: windows wasn't ready either when it appeared. seemed to work out ;) [07:53:03] <Gekz> oxygene: Windows emerged into a market without 100 competitors [07:53:09] <Gekz> and none of those competitors were _great_ [07:53:24] <Gekz> who were they up against? Apple, IBM [07:53:31] <Gekz> Amiga. [07:55:32] <oxygene> Gekz: compared to windows, all of their products were great [07:55:51] <Gekz> I know [07:55:55] <Gekz> but they had time to catch up [07:56:19] <Gekz> also, their purchasing power was at an all time high [07:56:20] <Gekz> :P [07:58:11] <oxygene> well, windows at least had the advantage of being somewhat novel. sun's desktop offering is really just like the average linux desktop, minus the hardware support [07:59:04] <Gekz> yes. [07:59:25] <Gekz> that's what I was saying about "isn't ready" [07:59:28] <Gekz> it offers nothing [07:59:40] <Gekz> SyllableOS offers more imo [08:00:46] <ormandj> ahahahaha [08:00:48] <ormandj> now that's funny [08:01:05] <ormandj> i'm not a big solaris is awesome on the desktop guy [08:01:09] <ormandj> but syllableos? [08:01:13] <ormandj> come on :) [08:01:47] <Gekz> SyllableOS is awesome [08:01:51] <Gekz> Don't deny it [08:02:01] <ormandj> personally, i'm a haiku guy [08:02:16] <ormandj> it's as ready for the desktop as syllable ;) [08:02:17] *** montcalm has joined #opensolaris [08:02:39] <Gekz> I don't like BeOS [08:02:46] <Gekz> Syllable will be good in about 20 years [08:02:50] <Gekz> like Hurd [08:03:00] <ormandj> :p [08:03:10] <ormandj> good ole' stallman [08:03:19] <oxygene> hurd will never be good - they'll switch from microkernel to microkernel, always following the trend because they have no idea how to write a sensible one themselves [08:03:22] <ormandj> emphasis on the stall [08:04:08] <Gekz> I like how they refuse to adopt Linux as their kernel [08:04:08] <Gekz> lol [08:04:20] <oxygene> whereas haiku has a problem similar to opensolaris: too much focus on emulating the bad aspects of linux [08:04:38] <_mary_kate_> if hurd used a linux kernel, how would it be different from linux? [08:04:50] <oxygene> gnu with linux.. sounds like GNewSense [08:05:08] <montcalm> Give em cp/m. ;-) [08:05:10] <oxygene> (which sounds like nuisance for a reason) [08:05:34] <kito> I think haikus bigger problem is sticking too closely to an API that was defined in 1997 [08:05:35] <ormandj> _mary_kate_: personally, i think they should just use the emacs kernel and get it over with [08:06:26] <oxygene> kito: hmm.. but sticking to posix is good? ;) [08:06:43] * montcalm can't wait til b100 when espeak synthesizer will be introduced. It will be nice to be able to use the orca screen-reader with osol. [08:07:02] <kito> oxygene I didn't say that [08:07:12] <kito> s/didn't/wouldn't ever/ [08:08:08] <oxygene> kito: the beos API isn't too bad. for bootstrapping purposes, it might make sense to stick to something that works, even if it's old [08:09:53] * oxygene prefers stable APIs over ever-changing "modern" ones [08:11:48] <kito> old != stable [08:12:39] <kito> I'm not sure beos ever had time to actually stabilize it, it was just sort of where they left off [08:12:58] <oxygene> look at the demographics of haiku - if they wouldn't freeze the API, it would change all the time. 2% engineering, 98% linux kids looking for the next adrenaline kick [08:13:21] <kito> do you really think freetards are the target of haiku? [08:13:35] <kito> It seems to me to be beos holdouts [08:13:40] <kito> aka grumpy old men [08:13:54] <ormandj> haiku initial rev will be API compat, yes, but the next release after that will be "new" [08:13:57] <ormandj> so it's all moot [08:14:04] <kito> thats true [08:14:25] <kito> I'm skeptical they will be even close to the performance of beos [08:14:34] <ormandj> it's already pretty decent [08:14:43] <ormandj> it's obviously got some VM issues and such [08:14:48] <ormandj> but it doesn't run badly [08:15:03] <ormandj> then again, when i ran beos (r3,4,5) i had a p133 [08:15:13] <ormandj> little difference now ;) [08:15:21] <oxygene> beos itself wasn't famous for stable APIs, but they were somewhat careful with their changes... unlike most open source devs, who scratch their bal^Wnits, and don't seem to care for the big picture [08:15:36] <oxygene> ormandj: run in bochs, if it's still fast, they did a good job ;) [08:15:42] <ormandj> beos was famed for well designed APIs (they were, back in the day) [08:15:50] <kito> I just rememberdragging around 3 uncomressed video streams with audio in beos running on 400MHz pc machines [08:16:10] <kito> haiku has crashed just moving a single window around [08:16:31] <kito> but I haven't spent much time with it, so maybe they were just abd builds [08:16:39] <kito> s/abd/bad/ [08:17:14] <ormandj> kito: probably, i ran it as a browsing workstation for a month or so without many issues [08:17:20] <ormandj> wasn't doing much with it, though, honestly [08:18:36] <kito> I still prefer the UI to anything the opensource world has produced [08:18:52] <kito> I'd take that window server running ontop os osol in a heartbeat [08:19:22] <kito> gnome makes me ill [08:20:25] <ormandj> agreed on gnome sucking horribly [08:20:44] <ormandj> kde isn't any better, they're all turning into retarded gfx showoff windows-emulating shells [08:20:58] <kito> yup. [08:21:11] <ormandj> i miss the days of a unix desktop looking like a unix desktop [08:21:23] <kito> I don't even want to think about my damned desktop [08:21:29] <ormandj> that reminds me, i need to get around to compiling openbox on here, i want to ditch gnome [08:21:37] <kito> I don't turn on a computer to run a desktop, I turn it on to run applications [08:21:47] <ormandj> all i ever use is full-screened xterms with screen sessions [08:21:57] <ormandj> the only reason i even need X is images [08:22:25] <oxygene> X also provides a higher resolution, so you can have larger terminals :) [08:22:40] <ormandj> oxygene: i do full res on console [08:22:52] <montcalm> Too bad osol doesn't have a screen-reader for the text console. [08:23:22] *** rrrand has quit IRC [08:24:26] <montcalm> Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think for us blind people the command line is still the absolute best bet. It's easily to conceptualize what you're doing and the feedback is logical. [08:27:02] *** montcalm has left #opensolaris [08:32:23] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [08:36:55] *** Canti has joined #opensolaris [08:39:06] *** mohammed has joined #opensolaris [08:39:11] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris [08:39:15] <mohammed> hello [08:39:38] *** mohammed is now known as Guest79657 [08:40:11] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris [08:40:15] <Guest79657> is it possible to install open solaris as the second OS on windows machine? [08:40:42] <Guest79657> i tried doing it, but i ended up overwriting windows [08:42:56] *** anil1 has joined #opensolaris [08:45:12] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [08:58:19] *** art-vandelay has joined #opensolaris [08:59:09] *** anilg has quit IRC [08:59:37] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [09:00:10] *** chris_unix_dude has left #opensolaris [09:00:41] *** jmatrix has joined #opensolaris [09:03:08] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/d4190183e <--- this one is better or should I do a stripe of four disks and mirror to a second set of stripes ? [09:03:08] *** Ditegen has quit IRC [09:03:37] *** chris_unix_dude has joined #opensolaris [09:03:48] *** Ditegen has joined #OpenSolaris [09:04:39] <axisys> which one has more redundancy ? [09:04:52] <_mary_kate_> never mirror stripes [09:05:02] <_mary_kate_> higher chance of data loss in case of a two-disk failure [09:05:06] <axisys> stripe of mirrors or mirror of stripes? [09:05:43] <axisys> same with stripe of mirrors.. if both disk of the mirror is bad [09:05:49] *** MrBIOS_ has joined #OpenSolaris [09:05:51] *** anil1 has quit IRC [09:05:52] <axisys> that is why I am confused [09:06:21] <_mary_kate_> no [09:06:44] <_mary_kate_> with a mirror over two 4-disk stripes, if one disk fails, any of the 3 remaining disks in that stripe failing will cause data loss [09:06:46] <Stric> axisys: after first failure, you have a 1/4 chance of total failure for the next disk if you do like in the pastebin [09:07:03] <_mary_kate_> with a stripe over 4 mirrors, if one side of a mirror fails, only the other disk in that mirror failing will cause data loss [09:07:04] <Stric> axisys: if you do mirrored stripes, you have 1/2 chance of total failure with the same amount of disks [09:07:14] <Stric> err [09:07:23] <Stric> 1/7 for the first case [09:07:28] <_mary_kate_> if you're really lucky, you can lose exactly 50% of the disks in a mirror-stripe and lose no data [09:07:30] <Stric> 1/2 for the mirrored stripe [09:07:49] <Stric> axisys: and also, you can't do mirrored stripes in zfs ;) [09:08:01] <Stric> unless you start mixing in SVM as well [09:08:02] <_mary_kate_> but confusingly, you can't do striped mirrors in svm [09:08:09] <_mary_kate_> it just guesses that's what you mean and does it anyway ;) [09:09:00] <axisys> Stric: reading your probability number for the thrid time.. little confused [09:09:38] <Stric> axisys: 1 disk fails. ok? that leaves you 3 mirrors and 1 single disk in mirrored-stripes [09:09:46] <Stric> and in striped-mirrors, that leaves you 1 stripe of 4 disks [09:09:49] *** Ditegen has quit IRC [09:10:22] <axisys> mirrored stripe is what I have in the pastebin .. correct? [09:10:22] <Stric> so in m-s, you have 7 disks that can fail.. only 1 of them are unprotected [09:10:47] <Stric> gah, I switched them in last 3 lines [09:10:55] <axisys> i think so .. lol [09:11:01] <Stric> you have a stripe of mirrors in pastebin [09:11:18] <Stric> not mirror(stripe(1,2,3,4),stripe(5,6,7,8)) [09:11:28] <axisys> Stric: correct [09:11:39] <Stric> if you have that, once disk 3 fails for instance, all you have left is stripe(5,6,7,8) [09:11:55] <axisys> correct.. following [09:12:27] <Stric> but with stripe(m(1,2),m(3,4),m(5,6),m(7,8)), if disk 3 fails, you have stripe(m(1,2),3,m(5,6),m(7,8)) [09:12:52] <Stric> err 4 left, not 3 ;) [09:13:02] <Stric> so any of 1,2,5,6,7,8 can fail as well.. but if 4 dies too - you're toast [09:13:23] *** Ditegen has joined #OpenSolaris [09:13:36] <axisys> so i have lower probability of loosing everything with my setup. gotcha [09:13:39] <Stric> so in "best" case, disk 1,3,5,7 can die without affecting stuff.. but in mirrored stripes, only 1 disk may fail [09:13:42] *** Guest79657 has quit IRC [09:13:47] <_mary_kate_> axisys: why do you use slices for the first mirror but whole disks for the rest? [09:13:58] <Stric> probably boot disk [09:14:03] *** mohammed has joined #opensolaris [09:14:06] <mohammed> hi [09:14:07] <_mary_kate_> he expects to boot from a stripe? [09:14:11] <axisys> _mary_kate_: it was like that on the x4150.. we just bought new disks [09:14:28] <mohammed> hi marry [09:14:37] *** mohammed is now known as Guest3882 [09:15:01] <axisys> Stric: plus zpool won't allow m-s pool ..correct ? [09:16:01] <Stric> correct. [09:16:12] <Stric> unless you stripe with SVM and mirror those devices in ZFS [09:16:25] <axisys> Stric: gotcha [09:16:28] <axisys> Stric: thnc [09:16:30] <axisys> thnx [09:17:36] *** asyd has quit IRC [09:17:46] *** Ditegen has quit IRC [09:17:59] *** asyd has joined #opensolaris [09:18:52] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [09:20:41] *** Guest3882 has quit IRC [09:22:08] *** abdul has joined #opensolaris [09:22:09] *** axisys has quit IRC [09:22:12] <abdul> Hi [09:22:24] <abdul> hello hello [09:22:27] <abdul> anyone alive [09:22:33] <abdul> or all are sleeping [09:22:58] *** abdul has quit IRC [09:27:04] *** art-vandelay has quit IRC [09:27:36] *** art-vandelay has joined #opensolaris [09:28:12] *** MrBIOS_ has quit IRC [09:34:15] <e^ipi> remember, if nobody answers in 30 seconds, that means we're all gone [09:40:17] <PaulR_> anyone play with build 99? [09:41:15] *** cosmo-kramer has joined #opensolaris [09:42:05] <PaulR_> anyone play with xen on open solaris? 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[10:23:17] *** kal-varnsen has joined #opensolaris [10:32:34] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [10:33:31] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [10:38:45] <xRaich[o]2x> hi folks [10:39:19] *** cosmo-kramer has quit IRC [10:40:52] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris [10:44:46] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [10:45:12] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: hej! [10:45:20] <xRaich[o]2x> hi codestr0m [10:51:22] *** jgracin has quit IRC [10:52:54] *** kal-varnsen has quit IRC [10:53:23] *** kal-varnsen has joined #opensolaris [11:02:00] *** Donno has joined #opensolaris [11:03:43] <Donno> Hmm should have did my research first before installing OpenSolaris that it didn't support my network card out of box.. [11:05:55] *** cosmo-kramer has joined #opensolaris [11:06:11] *** Ash-Fox has joined #OpenSolaris [11:06:25] <codestr0m> Donno: which version did you install? [11:06:52] <Ash-Fox> Hello, I've been reading the documentation on package management in OpenSolaris and, while it is installed ... I cannot figure out where the heck the init.d script for mysqld is - any ideas? [11:06:57] <Donno> Open Solaris 2008.05 (student pack) [11:07:30] *** rrrand has joined #opensolaris [11:08:14] <codestr0m> ok. not sure what a student pack is or which nic, but may want to take a look at the latest respins from www.genunix.org (http://www.genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0811-98-global.iso) or search for the torrent if you need faster dl [11:09:30] <Donno> ah okay, Marvell 88E8040 PCI-E Ethernet Controller is the nework driver. (The CD/DVD was handed out on campus so guess 'studentpack' just means its for students theres nothign special with it. [11:10:56] *** lesterc has quit IRC [11:11:17] <codestr0m> ok. well. I'd burn that iso and give it a try. I know on 2008/05 my nic didn't work either, but since then support was added [11:11:28] <codestr0m> also check the hcl as that'll save the most time [11:11:37] <codestr0m> not sure the link for it, but google should help [11:12:18] <Donno> ok thanks [11:16:22] *** msg-on-a-wire has joined #opensolaris [11:16:44] *** sanzilla has joined #opensolaris [11:16:50] *** msg-on-a-wire has left #opensolaris [11:16:51] <sanzilla> hi girls ! [11:18:45] <codestr0m> sanzilla: you scared all the girls away.. [11:19:49] <sanzilla> hi girls ! I am the jack ass of this channel #opensolaris [11:22:04] *** kal-varnsen has quit IRC [11:22:07] <Ash-Fox> sanzilla, fascinating. [11:22:58] <seanmcg> Ash-Fox, there isn't a init.d script for mysql. Its SMF.. do a svcs mysql [11:26:02] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris [11:26:30] <Ash-Fox> seanmcg, cheers [11:29:25] *** lesterc has quit IRC [11:30:09] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris [11:33:34] <Donno> hmm seems ive forgot what i set root password to anyway. and i only installed it 1 hour ago [11:34:25] <sanzilla> YOU MUST BE 18 OR OVER TO ACCESS THIS SITE! [11:36:04] *** cosmo-kramer has quit IRC [11:36:14] <Ash-Fox> sanzilla, this website contains extreme nature, you must be eighteen or over to enter. [11:36:40] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [11:36:40] *** cosmo-kramer has joined #opensolaris [11:36:50] *** tarbo has quit IRC [11:36:51] <Ash-Fox> I saw that when I was 13 I think - The mention of 'extreme nature' only made me more curious. [11:37:32] <sanzilla> YOU MUST BE 18 OR OVER TO ACCESS THIS SITE! [11:40:09] *** tarbo has joined #opensolaris [11:41:17] <codestr0m> e^ipi: can you or another op kick sanzilla please [11:44:28] *** mikl has quit IRC [11:44:34] *** hannesd has joined #opensolaris [11:49:39] *** kal-varnsen has joined #opensolaris [11:54:33] *** lesterc has quit IRC [12:05:41] *** cosmo-kramer has quit IRC [12:06:17] <sanzilla> if you are a girl you can join porn industry , and if youare a boy then you can join army or sell drugs . This is the only thing that you can do to earn money he he [12:08:17] *** Gekz has quit IRC [12:08:58] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: kickban would be more useful [12:09:06] *** anilg has quit IRC [12:12:50] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: sure.. , but not sure who is awake.. [12:14:49] *** t has joined #opensolaris [12:15:07] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [12:18:26] *** stradi has joined #opensolaris [12:20:09] *** kal-varnsen has quit IRC [12:21:44] <Ash-Fox> Is there anything like "mount --bind olddir newdir" on OpenSolaris (kind of like a symlink, except the system doesn't see it as a symlink but a normal path)? [12:22:49] *** kal-varnsen has joined #opensolaris [12:28:14] <seanmcg> you want to mount a device at two or more places ? [12:33:51] <Yorlik> I have horrible connection speed with ssh and other servicesand wonder what it could be. Someone told the e1000g driver might be choking at times, but I'm not sure if that is the only reason. Anyone got a good idea how to track down chocking connections ? I want to find out, if it is really the driver or some misconfiguration. [12:34:22] *** cosmo-kramer has joined #opensolaris [12:35:23] *** Donno has quit IRC [12:35:38] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [12:40:18] *** spiki has joined #opensolaris [12:43:53] *** t has left #opensolaris [12:45:55] <Ash-Fox> seanmcg, no, I want a specific path at another location. I have large storage mounted on /mnt/data, I'd like to have /mnt/data/home available at /home - Currently I'm using a symlink, but symlinks make things a bit screwy with fish, apache etc. [12:49:25] *** art-vandelay has joined #opensolaris [12:49:33] *** kal-varnsen has quit IRC [12:52:47] *** Trident has quit IRC [12:53:08] <seanmcg> Ash-Fox, maybe via lofi, like how the libc hwcap versions are mounted ? [12:55:29] <Ash-Fox> seanmcg, I'll look into the documentation for lofi, cheers. [13:03:17] *** cosmo-kramer has quit IRC [13:05:54] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [13:16:26] *** nomidnes has joined #opensolaris [13:18:16] *** cosmo-kramer has joined #opensolaris [13:21:43] *** StaticV has quit IRC [13:22:03] <nomidnes> Hi all, I am having issues starting xend on OpenSolaris b98 [13:22:24] <nomidnes> I am getting the following error: [13:22:25] <nomidnes> ERROR Internal error: Could not obtain handle on privileged command interface (2 = No such file or directory) [13:22:47] <nomidnes> when "/usr/lib/xend start" is starting [13:23:22] <nomidnes> and the uname -a is: SunOS ra 5.11 snv_98 i86pc i386 i86xpv Solaris [13:23:28] *** mikl_ has joined #opensolaris [13:23:34] <nomidnes> so the xen kernel is runnning as dom0 [13:24:58] <nomidnes> more info: http://pastebin.com/m9a3eeec [13:25:10] <nomidnes> Does anyone have any idea about this? [13:27:34] *** mikl has quit IRC [13:31:13] *** _teo_ has joined #opensolaris [13:34:26] *** art-vandelay has quit IRC [13:34:53] *** jay has joined #opensolaris [13:35:10] <jay> hi all [13:35:46] <nomidnes> hi [13:36:03] <jay> i tried to install AXIS ax88172 usb2.0 to fast ethernet driver [13:36:36] <jay> and got message saying that 32bit version cannot run on 64Bit [13:36:51] <jay> any help will be appreciated [13:37:07] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [13:39:06] <jay> axf driver for ASIX AX88172 usb2.0 to fast ethernet controller [13:39:32] <nomidnes> I have no idea [13:39:38] <nomidnes> I was asking about xen... [13:39:38] <jay> and got message saying that 32bit version cannot run on 64Bit [13:40:04] *** derchris has quit IRC [13:40:07] <jay> ok [13:40:09] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [13:40:18] <Vanuatoo> I cant remove SUNWluu SUNWluzone SUNWlur SUNWlucfg packages with pkgrm [13:40:32] <Vanuatoo> pkgrm: ERROR: bad read of contents file [13:40:40] <Vanuatoo> pkgrm: ERROR: pathname=Unknown [13:40:49] <Vanuatoo> pkgrm: ERROR: problem=incomplete entry [13:41:07] <Vanuatoo> SXCE 97 [13:41:19] *** Ditegen has joined #OpenSolaris [13:45:34] *** McBofh__ is now known as McBofh [13:49:10] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [13:49:43] *** cosmo-kramer has quit IRC [13:50:21] *** cosmo-kramer has joined #opensolaris [13:56:35] <sanzilla> cosmic radatation [14:00:06] <jay> Hi McBofh [14:00:23] *** JDuke128 has joined #opensolaris [14:00:33] <JDuke128> hi , did someone install ircd on Solaris before ? [14:04:19] *** kal-varnsen has joined #opensolaris [14:08:18] * sanzilla hi all , for all the p0rn haters , to talk against p0rn industry please join#anti-porn [14:09:07] <laga> sanzilla: huh? [14:09:21] <xRaich[o]2x> laga: don't mind the troll [14:09:41] *** JDuke128 has left #opensolaris [14:10:44] *** nomidnes has quit IRC [14:11:33] *** nomidnes has joined #opensolaris [14:12:48] *** palowoda has quit IRC [14:15:34] <TomJ> I'm just about to install SXCE for the first time in ages, and I want ZFS root - do I have to do anything special to b99 to achieve this? Use the text installer or something? [14:20:30] *** cosmo-kramer has quit IRC [14:21:46] *** stux|work is now known as stux [14:22:03] *** turtle has joined #OpenSolaris [14:25:30] <JWheeler> yes, you need to use the text-mode installer I think [14:25:50] <JWheeler> I haven't tried 99, but 95 sure needed it [14:26:06] <TomJ> ok thanks [14:27:06] <JWheeler> AFAIK, only caiman uses a gui for zfs root, though I'd really like to see that "back"ported to nevada [14:27:15] <TomJ> what's caiman? [14:27:53] <TomJ> Solaris 10 U6 has ZFS root so I'm presuming they've extended the GUI installer to support it for that release? [14:28:33] <JWheeler> I doubt it somehow [14:28:53] *** luc^ has quit IRC [14:28:55] <JWheeler> I may be misspelling it, it is nearly 1:30am for me. It's the installer used by the opensolaris distro [14:29:39] <JWheeler> If nevada doesn't have a gui for zfs-root, I very much doubt that solaris 10 U6 will. I understand there are all kinds of backwards compatibility issues with jumpstart that they'll need to address for solaris 10 [14:30:04] <TomJ> ok so you anticipate Solaris 10 will have a note saying "ZFS root only available via text install" ? [14:30:26] <JWheeler> yup [14:30:27] <Stric> S10 has a gui installer? [14:30:41] <TomJ> hehe [14:30:43] <Stric> isn't it just the text-install-in-xterm? [14:30:47] <JWheeler> well it's an X-mode console session... [14:30:53] <blahee> well. kind of. It starts X and runs the text installer in window :) [14:30:58] <Stric> so, "no" [14:31:00] <TomJ> no it doesnt [14:31:04] <TomJ> I mean, it can do [14:31:06] <TomJ> but it also has a proper X thingy [14:31:10] <TomJ> with mouse & all [14:31:17] <Stric> hm. never seen it :) [14:31:18] <turtle> clicky click [14:31:28] <Stric> although, I only do jumpstart installs.. [14:31:56] <blahee> i do only text mode. There is no benefit to use gui for solaris install [14:32:27] <TomJ> http://docs.sun.com/source/819-5775/images/01-welcome-screen.gif [14:32:38] <TomJ> no, it doesnt have anything extra [14:32:39] <TomJ> well [14:32:40] *** CIA-25 has quit IRC [14:32:45] <TomJ> compared to pure console, it does - you can open a terminal [14:33:02] <TomJ> but there's no advantage to the clicky clicky X install versus the text-console-in-an-xterm X install [14:33:05] <Stric> like text-in-X [14:33:30] <Stric> no technical advantage that is.. some people might feel more at home with clicky-clicky [14:33:39] <TomJ> yeah [14:35:53] *** kal-varnsen has quit IRC [14:40:01] *** art-vandelay has joined #opensolaris [14:46:55] <McBofh> TomJ: caiman is the new installer project [14:47:39] *** smtms has quit IRC [14:48:39] <teknoprep> zpool destroy tank ... takes a long time.. is that right ? [14:48:45] <McBofh> could be [14:48:52] <McBofh> depends on how much stuff you've got in there [14:48:58] <teknoprep> nothing really [14:49:00] <teknoprep> just 10 hdd's [14:49:12] <McBofh> how many filesystems, snapshots, clones ? [14:49:15] <teknoprep> none [14:49:17] <teknoprep> 1 [14:49:18] <McBofh> not how many physical devices [14:49:28] <McBofh> I'd expect that it not take long [14:49:34] <McBofh> how long is "a long time" in your cacse? [14:49:35] <McBofh> case [14:49:40] <teknoprep> 2-3 minutes so far [14:50:32] *** CIA-25 has joined #opensolaris [14:51:48] *** mikl_ has quit IRC [14:53:33] <teknoprep> hey it just paused becuase it couldn't doit [14:53:42] <teknoprep> one of my iscsi targets was still active [14:54:16] <McBofh> there ya go [14:54:29] <McBofh> go and kick your iscsi target to the curb [14:56:05] <teknoprep> already did [14:56:23] <McBofh> now kick yourself for using iscsi ;-P [14:56:29] <teknoprep> McBofh - zpool create tank mirror c1t1d0 c1t2d0 mirror c1t3d0 c1t4d0 [14:56:38] <teknoprep> does that create a raiid 10 or just a span / [14:56:40] <teknoprep> ? [14:56:53] <McBofh> um [14:56:58] <McBofh> I'll have to rtfm [14:57:05] <teknoprep> they were telling me yesterday that it creates a raid 10 [14:57:08] <teknoprep> i just wanted to be sure [14:57:25] <nomidnes> teknoprep that creates a raid 10 [14:57:55] <teknoprep> ok [14:58:06] <teknoprep> i didn't know if that just created a span of raid-1 [14:58:11] <McBofh> "span" ? [14:58:14] <teknoprep> JBOD [14:58:30] <McBofh> uh... please don't mix physical terminology with filesystems [14:58:39] <TomJ> teknoprep: we told you, that makes a raid 10 [14:58:44] <McBofh> yes [14:58:48] <teknoprep> yup... i just don't know how to make sure [14:58:49] <Stric> teknoprep: that will create a raid10 (striped mirrors) [14:58:56] <nomidnes> span is meant to be strip [14:59:02] <McBofh> where (c1t1d0 c1t2d0) is mirrored with (c1t3d0 c1t4d0) [14:59:04] <nomidnes> *stripe [14:59:18] <nomidnes> laters peoples [14:59:22] *** nomidnes has quit IRC [14:59:42] <TomJ> McBofh: c1t1 is mirrored with c1t2 and c1t3 is mirrored with c1t4, and data is striped across those two mirrors [14:59:48] <teknoprep> no (c1t1d0 c1t2d0) is striped with the mirror (c1t3d0 c1t4d0) and so on [15:00:01] <McBofh> TomJ: I disagree with you [15:00:07] <teknoprep> lol [15:00:17] <teknoprep> well i just wrote a file to the system with DD [15:00:22] <teknoprep> it wrote to ALL active drives [15:00:28] <teknoprep> so i am happy [15:00:32] <McBofh> TomJ: there are two mirror vdevs, one containing (c1t1d0 + c1t2d0), the other containing (c1t3d0 + c1t4d0) [15:00:47] <TomJ> that is correct, and they are striped together [15:00:55] <Stric> McBofh: so you agree with TomJ ;) [15:00:57] <McBofh> teknoprep: now run a "zpool status -xv" [15:01:05] <TomJ> but what you said before suggested that c1t1+c1t2 was MIRRORED with c1t3+c1t4, which it isn't . it's striped [15:01:18] <teknoprep> zpool create tank mirror c1t2d0 c1t3d0 mirror c1t4d0 c1t5d0 mirror c1t6d0 c1t7d0 mirror c1t8d0 c1t9d0 mirror c1t10d0 c1t11d0 [15:01:22] <teknoprep> that my actual raid 10 [15:01:41] <McBofh> TomJ: ah, sorry, yes I agree [15:01:42] <TomJ> teknoprep: looks fine. do zpool status -v and you'll see all the devices, and all should say ONLINE [15:01:45] <teknoprep> McBofh, all pools are healthy [15:01:46] * McBofh shrugs [15:01:50] <McBofh> teknoprep: good [15:01:58] <teknoprep> TomJ, already did all that [15:02:19] <McBofh> teknoprep: did you write that file to your zpool's raw drives, or to a zvol? [15:02:28] <teknoprep> McBofh, TomJ, its not zpool or zfs that has me unkinowing of what to do.. i just wanted to make sure it will be a RAID-10 [15:02:51] <teknoprep> McBofh, i wrote it to the root of the /tank [15:03:03] <TomJ> teknoprep: we've told you, it is. read a bit more about what a raid 10 actually means and you'll understand that the commands you wrote could not create anything but a raid 10 [15:03:14] <teknoprep> TomJ- i know what raid 10 is [15:03:23] <McBofh> teknoprep: just don't use dd to write to any of the underlying block devices [15:03:31] <TomJ> then you know you created a raid 10, and all is fine, and this conversation is pointless :) [15:03:34] <teknoprep> McBofh, ok [15:03:36] <Stric> McBofh: actually.. it would be kinda-safe with zfs ;) [15:03:46] <McBofh> Stric: safe in what way? [15:03:56] <teknoprep> TomJ, actually i thoguht i just created a JBOD of RAID-1's [15:04:00] <Stric> McBofh: because zfs can fix administrator errors as well.. [15:04:10] <TomJ> teknoprep: then you dont understand what a RAID 10 or a JBOD is. [15:04:17] <teknoprep> sure i do [15:04:27] <teknoprep> JBOD is just space... adding up [15:04:31] <McBofh> then why do you appear to be confusing the physical with the logical again? [15:04:31] <TomJ> well, at least yo udont understand what a JBOD is [15:04:32] <McBofh> NO [15:04:34] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [15:04:34] <TomJ> no, JBOD is a collection of disks [15:04:37] <TomJ> which yo uhave [15:04:38] <TomJ> you have a JBOD [15:04:45] <TomJ> what you do with those disks, in raid terms, is a different matter [15:04:55] <teknoprep> i thought a "JBOD" has no redundancy [15:04:59] *** yongsun has left #opensolaris [15:05:07] <Stric> it doesn't [15:05:15] <Stric> because it's Just a Bunch Of Disks [15:05:17] <teknoprep> i mean they even use the term JBOD inside of 3ware for a collection of disk's that have 0 redundancy and 0 extra speed [15:05:38] <Stric> they use JBOD when the disks aren't grouped in any way [15:05:40] <McBofh> teknoprep: that doesn't sound like the industry standard usage to me [15:05:48] <teknoprep> i am done arguing [15:06:01] *** art-vandelay has quit IRC [15:06:07] <TomJ> maybe you thought you created a concatanation of RAID1s? ZFS doesn't support that. [15:06:16] <Yorlik> Is it possible to have the kernrl / a driver re-read the driver config in /kernel/drf(driver.config without rebooting ? Will an ifconfig unplumb / plumb do that fopr NICs ? [15:06:38] <Yorlik> OOps ... /kernel/drv/driver.config ... [15:06:46] <teknoprep> TomJ, ty thats the word i was looking for [15:07:08] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris [15:07:08] <TomJ> OK. I never really understood the point of such a system [15:07:14] <TomJ> anyway, zfs doesn't offer that 'feature' [15:07:17] <TomJ> it's always striped [15:07:21] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [15:07:42] <teknoprep> good i don't want it the other way [15:07:44] <McBofh> teknoprep: just so we're on the same page -- this is an example of a JBOD - http://www.sun.com/storagetek/disk_systems/expansion/4400, whereas this is an example of RAID array -- [15:07:56] <teknoprep> That is an example of a SUN JBOD [15:07:59] <McBofh> http://www.sun.com/storagetek/disk_systems/midrange/6140/ [15:08:18] <TomJ> I think I know what teknoprep is getting at, I think I have seen raid controllers that refer to JBOD in the context of a RAID layout, not meaning in terms of physical, which is how we are using it [15:08:19] <teknoprep> now if i went to Microsoft's site and looked at a software JBOD with Microsoft Server 2003... it would be what i said [15:09:26] <teknoprep> but i have to go [15:09:37] <teknoprep> i have to go move our Desktop VM's to another SAN array since work is out [15:10:20] *** sartek has quit IRC [15:10:58] <TomJ> Anyone know about ZFS write caching onto devices that have battery backed controller cache? I've been googling and information is scarce, but I found one blog that suggests that if I have a safe BBU controller cache, I should set: set zfs:zfs_nocacheflush=1 in /etc/system so ZFS won't force the controller to sync every write to disk immediately. anyone else doing this? [15:11:06] <TomJ> the article in question is: http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/?itemid=52 [15:11:10] *** jay has quit IRC [15:11:30] <Stric> TomJ: I've played with that.. and it can help a bunch. [15:12:07] <TomJ> OK, so do you use that always when you have BBU cache? Or are there caveats? [15:12:33] <TomJ> in my case, I'm not using proper SANs, I have Adaptec SAS controllers with 256 or 128mb BBU cache. [15:12:47] <TomJ> 8 or 12 drives per controller [15:13:15] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [15:13:23] <Stric> I've played with it on a system which isn't in production yet.. an Infortrend raid array with 512M bbu cache, but I was playing with it in JBOD mode and zfs-raidz2 [15:13:37] <Stric> don't have any exact numbers though, it was before vacation I did this ;) [15:13:46] <TomJ> ok, but there was definitely a benefit? [15:14:27] <Stric> It should bring latency down, since sync() will still be safe and return faster [15:14:41] <TomJ> OK thanks very much, I'll try it out [15:16:52] * McBofh boggles [15:17:22] <McBofh> just looked at my local preferred bits-n-pieces shop, their price for a 1Tb SATA2 drive starts at AUD155 [15:17:38] <McBofh> or I could pay AUD289 for a "Server Edition" version of the same thing [15:19:02] <McBofh> last time I checked pricing the 1Tb drives were about double that [15:20:40] <TomJ> yeah they're coming down fast [15:20:48] [15:22:29] <Yorlik> Ho can I find out, if a gateway is actually autonegotiating with my machine ? [15:26:30] *** mikl has quit IRC [15:27:52] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [15:30:07] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [15:30:26] *** tomj_ has joined #opensolaris [15:30:30] *** teknoprep has quit IRC [15:36:28] *** matsuura has quit IRC [15:39:09] <xtrondo> Yorlik: you can check "lp_autoneg_cap" with ndd or with dladm on recent builds [15:40:16] <Yorlik> xtrondo: My NIC is set up to autonegotiate as I can see with dladm -show-linkprop ... I just wonder whats happeneing on the other side -- if the gateway is actually answering to an autoneg attempt. [15:41:13] <Yorlik> E.G. my NIC is set to 1000m rate now, but i was told i only have a 100m uplink .. something should be wrong .. 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[16:07:09] <corpvicle> oh, its not opensolaris at all, its some "community edition" of standard solaris ? 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[16:09:01] *** srira2 is now known as Guest90245 [16:09:21] <corpvicle> and nevada is what will one day be solaris 11 ? [16:09:22] <bda> OpenSolaris is also builds of Nevada, contains no closed bits, and some more bleeding edge stuff (like it had zfsroot first, it has IPS, and it has a bunch of GNU stuff by default). [16:09:34] <bda> Hard to say. [16:09:36] <corpvicle> oh [16:09:43] <corpvicle> ill stick with opensolaris then [16:09:53] <corpvicle> solaris doesnt seem to run in virtualbox at all [16:10:01] <bda> Does here. [16:10:09] <corpvicle> what host os ? [16:10:30] <corpvicle> opensolaris works fine, but "normal" solaris doesnt [16:10:38] <corpvicle> or rather [16:10:41] <corpvicle> the addons doesnt work [16:10:54] <corpvicle> properly [16:11:07] <bda> Addons? [16:11:07] <tomj_> Has anyone seen then SXCE installer take a really really long time to "configure /dev". I'm booting from DVD on a dual Opteron 246 with 2 x Marvell SATA controllers, 16 x 400gb SATA drives. After the snv_99 64bit kernel message, it waits a while, then says Configuring /dev, then gives 4 x ata_id_common: BUSY errors (apparenlty benign according to bugs.osol.org), then spins.. and spins.. [16:11:13] <corpvicle> bda : guest addons ? [16:11:13] <tomj_> it's been about 20 minutes so far [16:11:23] <bda> corpvicle: Dunno then, haven't used those. :) [16:11:43] <tomj_> I havent installed SXCE before, and have never installed it on this machine before (though I did install Solaris 10 U4 on it before), so I dont know if this is a hardware problem, snv_99 problem, or if it really could take 20+ minutes ot configure /dev [16:11:46] *** tomj_ is now known as TomJ [16:11:49] *** hannesd has quit IRC [16:12:00] <corpvicle> tomj_ : i got that exacty problem in vmware esx 3.0.1, but i doubt the same problem would happen on real hardware [16:12:25] <TomJ> corpvicle: and did it ever get off configuring /dev or was it hung? [16:12:47] <corpvicle> it kept configuring /dev until all scsi resources were used up on the machien [16:12:57] <corpvicle> and then crashed all virtual machines running on it [16:13:00] <TomJ> fun [16:13:06] <corpvicle> kinda [16:13:31] <TomJ> did you ever get it working subsequently? [16:13:34] <corpvicle> oh and it was only solarus u5 [16:13:39] <corpvicle> i upgraded to esxi 3.5 [16:13:42] <corpvicle> worked fine tehre [16:13:49] <corpvicle> solaris even [16:15:39] <corpvicle> bda : i like to use the guest addons since it lets me switch between the guest and host desktop without pressing "ctrl" all the time [16:16:27] <bda> corpvicle: Sure. I'm not saying they aren't useful, just that I've never used them. :) [16:16:43] *** ruse39[home] has quit IRC [16:17:34] <corpvicle> oh and copy/paste [16:23:22] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris [16:29:48] *** Ignacio_ has joined #opensolaris [16:31:52] *** erast has joined #opensolaris [16:34:43] *** chris_unix_dude has quit IRC [16:34:50] *** Ignacio_ has quit IRC [16:36:56] <erast> in which build NWS will merge with ON? [16:43:55] *** ivan has joined #opensolaris [16:45:01] <Yorlik> I'm trying to pin down some connection chokes i have with my freshly installed server (sxce b98). I produced some NIC statistics. Would someone mind to look a this paste to check if something is wrong ? http://pastebin.com/d24add038 [16:46:02] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [16:46:28] *** mega has quit IRC [16:46:55] <evocallaghan> Hi [16:48:26] *** teknoprep has joined #opensolaris [16:49:08] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [16:49:43] <teknoprep> zfs create tank raidz c1t2d0 c1t3d0 c1t4d0 c1t5d0 c1t6d0 raidz c1t7d0 c1t8d0 c1t9d0 c1t10d0 c1t11d0 [16:49:49] <teknoprep> would that create a RAID-50 ? [16:50:20] <teknoprep> becuase i think thats what i want to create [16:50:21] *** mega has quit IRC [16:50:38] <teknoprep> good speed ... and you don't loose as many HDD's as a RAID-10 [16:50:47] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [16:51:10] <jamesd> Yorlik, those are very nice settings but the proof is in the pudding, without out actual results of the settings we probably can't offer any help.. for example if your disk system limits your data rate to 1MB/s all those settings are useless [16:53:08] <Yorlik> The disks are two fast SAS disks on a PERC 5 hardware raid adapter running as mirror. The system is running on top of vmware esxi. [16:53:19] <Yorlik> Server is a Dell Poweredge 1950 [16:53:19] <teknoprep> zpool create tank raidz c1t2d0 c1t3d0 c1t4d0 c1t5d0 c1t6d0 raidz c1t7d0 c1t8d0 c1t9d0 c1t10d0 c1t11d0 [16:53:22] <teknoprep> not zfs [16:54:15] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [16:54:33] *** mega has quit IRC [16:54:58] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [16:55:33] <TomJ> so I removed the second Marvell card and snv_99 booted straight up. I'm getting sick of these Marvell cards. 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[17:23:37] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [17:24:02] <ivan> looks like sunfreeware has some newer [17:25:42] <Yorlik> I have a question concerning ping: I'm pinging my server drom windows with "ping -t -l 1024 -a -r <ip>" and get a traced list of hosts - but my server appears on the second last position, not the last . What does this mean ? 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[18:27:26] *** codestr0m has quit IRC [18:27:53] *** codestr0m has joined #opensolaris [18:35:10] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [18:36:52] *** mega has quit IRC [18:37:20] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [18:37:53] *** mega has quit IRC [18:38:16] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [18:39:15] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [18:39:30] <codestr0m> someone want to help bail me out of this http://rafb.net/p/NGKICx72.html [18:40:01] <codestr0m> my laptop 4GB of mem is running out of memory.. I could kill things, but I don't have that much open.. I just assume some system setting is wrong [18:41:06] <codestr0m> I'd rather not set unsane settings in /etc/system [18:41:32] <jamesd> codestr0m, what the hell are you running? loads of java crap? vmware? xen? .. do you have enough swap, add more [18:42:17] <codestr0m> jamesd: no java. no vmware. no xen. no db. .regular things.. FF, pidgin, thunderbird, mp3 player.. gnome terminal.. [18:42:18] <nachox> damn.. [18:42:19] *** mega has quit IRC [18:42:44] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [18:42:57] <nachox> there has to be something else, i can live by with 1/4 of that memory without that message [18:43:16] <codestr0m> nachox: sure. I've been up for 21 days [18:43:22] <codestr0m> and recently started seeing a lot more crashes [18:43:36] <jamesd> restart firefox its a pig, or can be add a session save plugin so you don't loose open tabs on restart [18:43:56] <Auralis_> ff3 has that by default [18:43:57] *** mega has quit IRC [18:44:15] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [18:44:29] <codestr0m> Total: 107 processes, 514 lwps, load averages: 0.55, 0.51, 0.49 [18:44:43] <Auralis_> codestr0m: thats ff2 you are using? [18:44:45] <codestr0m> yeah I have session save.. [18:44:45] <jamesd> yeah, i just know i have it now, its been so long since i have done a raw install [18:44:47] <codestr0m> FF3 [18:45:07] <codestr0m> I need to look how to get ps to sort by memory usage [18:45:24] <codestr0m> xorg is taking up 400M it appears [18:45:25] *** mega has quit IRC [18:45:27] <codestr0m> that's a leak [18:45:39] <codestr0m> FF is at 1G+ [18:45:45] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [18:45:51] <Auralis_> 400mb is ok for x, it counts the oncard gfx mem into that figure as well, sometimes several times [18:46:16] <nachox> ouch, 1gb? [18:46:18] <Auralis_> ff is not freeing mem on tab close, plus its still leaking [18:46:42] <codestr0m> 947 asura 246M 38M sleep 49 0 8:19:51 0.9% transmission/57, 21096 asura 208M 108M sleep 49 0 0:00:23 0.8% pidgin/1, 20381 asura 73M 14M sleep 49 0 0:00:53 0.1% ossxmix/1 [18:46:56] <codestr0m> rhythmbox 300MB [18:47:02] <codestr0m> gosh.. what piggy little programs [18:47:15] <codestr0m> and in FF I use a million tabs.. maybe over 100 [18:47:22] <Auralis_> rhythembox is crud, give qoudlibet a spin [18:47:33] <codestr0m> Auralis_: yeah I have exaile [18:47:38] *** mikl has quit IRC [18:47:38] <nachox> we really need kde... just for konqueror :) [18:47:48] <codestr0m> I just know it'll take hours to import all my music [18:48:10] <Auralis_> transmission looks ok, about the same here, pidgin is tripple of what i see here on my box [18:48:11] <codestr0m> exaile also had issues on 30k mp3 before [18:48:15] <codestr0m> so that's another problem [18:48:44] <nachox> not really [18:48:53] <nachox> what im protocols are you using? [18:49:04] <Auralis_> you run zfs? [18:49:13] <codestr0m> irc, msn, yahoo. qq, icq, gmail.. just about everything [18:49:16] <codestr0m> yeah. zfs root [18:49:21] <Auralis_> same here [18:49:23] <codestr0m> with attached local storage [18:49:40] <Auralis_> whats prstat -a gives ya for total ram usuage for the individual users? [18:49:49] <nachox> Auralis_, and you? what protocols are you using in pidgin? [18:50:07] <codestr0m> 62 asura 3223M 1936M 47% 17:36:37 10% [18:50:07] <Auralis_> icq, yahoo, msn [18:50:21] <codestr0m> root has about 500M and not sure where the rest is going [18:50:30] <codestr0m> 3G of swap [18:50:33] <codestr0m> *ouch* [18:50:40] <nachox> well, that's it, that is why your pidgin uses that much [18:50:43] <Auralis_> rest free mem goes most likely tozfs cache [18:51:13] <codestr0m> honestly I'd rather give zfs 1G set ram, turn off swap and let things not use as much [18:51:20] <tomww> which is a good thing as long as no application does big requests for new mem... [18:51:29] <nachox> turning off swap is a bad idea [18:51:46] <codestr0m> yeah. brings back memories of windoz [18:51:47] *** mega has quit IRC [18:51:53] <nachox> and zfs releases cache memory if something else needs it [18:51:54] <codestr0m> having to set the swap file to 1M [18:52:49] <codestr0m> ok. so how do I clean up where all this stuff is going. just restart things cause FF crashed no more than an hour or so ago [18:53:23] <nachox> well, high mem usage is expected if you have.. how many tabs did you say you use again? [18:53:39] <codestr0m> 100+ I can't count [18:53:46] <codestr0m> yeah, but that's still only 1G [18:54:19] <codestr0m> looks like my local user is restrict to 2G of ram and the rest is swapping [18:54:47] <xRaich[o]2x> is there any intel 4500MHD support? [18:55:56] *** jfndi_ has quit IRC [19:01:50] *** anilg has quit IRC [19:05:06] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [19:06:16] *** chumphries has joined #opensolaris [19:06:42] <dijo> Hi there, a newbie question. Please, how do I update my system? I'm switching from Debian, so I'm looking for something like "apt-get upgrade" alternative. [19:07:15] <xRaich[o]2x> dijo: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/image-update/ [19:08:18] <dijo> xRaich[o]2x: Thanks, going to read it. [19:09:25] <xRaich[o]2x> dijo: it's still a little complicated but things are getting better ;) [19:09:28] <codestr0m> nachox Auralis_ http://rafb.net/p/RPo40E83.html [19:09:59] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: do you know if xorg supports the intel 4500MHD chipset? [19:10:25] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: not sure, but you could check the hcl? [19:10:27] <nachox> dijo, you're using indiana or SXCE? [19:10:51] <dijo> nachox: SXCE [19:11:17] <nachox> xRaich[o]2x, you have that hardware already? there is a tool to check what part of your hardware is supported [19:11:27] *** chrisr has joined #opensolaris [19:11:42] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [19:12:25] <nachox> dijo, http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp/entry/oh_if_only_i_d [19:12:31] <nachox> you need LU [19:12:41] <xRaich[o]2x> nachox: no i evaluating notebooks and the one i favour has that chipset [19:13:04] <nachox> ohh, you're out of luck then, check the HCL :) [19:13:15] *** codestr0m has quit IRC [19:13:28] <xRaich[o]2x> dang :( [19:13:54] <Auralis_> grab the indiana live cd, go to a computer shop and ask them to let you boot it to see if all the devices are supported :) [19:14:18] *** codestr0m has joined #opensolaris [19:14:33] <nachox> yes, i'm sure they would agree to that </sarcasm> [19:14:34] <xRaich[o]2x> Auralis_: i will, but i thought someone in here might know ^^ [19:14:45] <xRaich[o]2x> nachox: they actually do [19:14:51] <nachox> not here [19:15:04] <xRaich[o]2x> well depends on the store i guess [19:15:05] <dijo> nachox: if I understand, I have to use live uprade for upgrade whole system? can I upgrade only some packages without whole system? [19:15:11] *** sanzilla has quit IRC [19:16:07] <nachox> dijo, no, SXCE is a developement platform, it is not really supported. if you want something production ready, try solaris 10 [19:17:57] <dijo> nachox: I see. Btw how do I do it in Solaris 10? [19:19:12] *** Yorlik has joined #opensolaris [19:19:47] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [19:20:06] <nachox> dijo, there is an update manager there, but it downloads stuff and just uses patchadd [19:21:02] <nachox> dijo, solaris 10 has a policy similar to that of debian, they do not ship new versions, they patch the existing ones [19:21:31] <nachox> so, for example, it still uses a really old gnome [19:21:38] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris [19:21:40] <gnut> hi all [19:21:56] <gnut> I'm having problems deleting an old BE, and ludelete -f is not helping... [19:22:18] <gnut> any other ways to manually delete it? [19:22:27] <dijo> nachox, well, need to say I prefer bw console :-D [19:23:48] <nachox> dijo, you have smpatch there, but you still want to save some space for an LU slice, just in case [19:26:13] <dijo> nachox, ok, thanks for info, i'll try do it this way [19:26:57] <nachox> dijo, you can download solaris 10 for free from sun, but you need to register [19:27:42] <nachox> dijo, you might want to buy support if you're planning to deploy it in production, it's cheap and it's always useful being able to point at someone else [19:29:17] *** dijo has quit IRC [19:29:22] *** dijo has joined #opensolaris [19:29:23] <codestr0m> this is *really* interesting http://www.princeton.edu/~unix/Solaris/troubleshoot/ram.html [19:31:27] *** gnut has quit IRC [19:32:26] <dijo> nachox, I've already sol10 installed, but still without support plan. but now I'm thinking if it isn't mad to run it without support plan..for example due to updates [19:33:53] <nachox> dijo, security updates for solaris 10 are free. BUT if you want it in production, you WANT support. [19:34:12] * bda has no OS support. [19:34:17] <bda> Though I often wish I did. [19:36:05] * benley has never worked on systems with actual OS support :-P [19:36:10] <nachox> neither do i, but i do not use solaris in production :) [19:37:31] <codestr0m> btw. I found a memory leak in tcsh [19:37:38] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: ^ [19:37:45] <codestr0m> I should dtrace it like you did [19:38:05] <xRaich[o]2x> get it on ;) [19:38:09] <codestr0m> it was part of what was causing my memory issue [19:38:15] <xRaich[o]2x> i using ksh93 right now [19:38:19] <codestr0m> no. I'd rather add color to ls and switch to zsh or something [19:38:23] <codestr0m> ahahhaah [19:38:28] <codestr0m> what happen? [19:38:45] <xRaich[o]2x> nothing, just giving it a try [19:39:13] <codestr0m> isn't it a bit spartan? [19:39:41] <xRaich[o]2x> not really. the only thing that i'm missing is the zsh pattern matching and extended globbing [19:40:03] <nachox> codestr0m, how did you find it? [19:40:05] <xRaich[o]2x> i did turn of the zsh completion system anyway [19:40:33] <codestr0m> nachox: the artical I posted above [19:40:42] <codestr0m> started sorting out which programs where using what [19:40:47] <codestr0m> tcsh was *high* [19:40:55] <codestr0m> cleaned up some defunct processes [19:41:08] <nachox> preap is cool :) [19:41:12] <codestr0m> no kidding [19:41:27] <codestr0m> gosh. where is that on linux.. Z is annoying as hell [19:41:43] <nachox> it is.. nowhere [19:42:07] <nachox> i guess the question is why the hell you're still using linux when there is solaris [19:42:08] <codestr0m> yeah. when I was debugging hfs+ support on linux that was a pita [19:42:17] * xRaich[o]2x is still searching for a good solaris notebook -_- [19:42:34] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: I recommend the dell m2300-m4300 [19:42:38] <nachox> xRaich[o]2x, lenovo t61 ? [19:42:39] *** cypromis has quit IRC [19:42:55] <xRaich[o]2x> i reallly might end up with a lenovo [19:43:07] <codestr0m> I'm on the m2300 now and it works great [19:43:14] <codestr0m> best cost/value/performance/features [19:43:32] <xRaich[o]2x> or a macbook. but i'd rather wold like to have a solaris unix [19:43:35] <codestr0m> the m2400 look sexy, but still new and maybe expensive (cheaper than IBM though :P) [19:44:01] <nachox> i live thinkpads [19:44:11] <nachox> *love [19:44:30] <nachox> i cant afford them... so i have a dell :P [19:44:50] <codestr0m> nachox: eh? what's wrong with dell. buy precision [19:44:57] <codestr0m> *never* had a problem with precision line [19:45:09] <coffman__> xRaich[o]2x: thinkpad, but only if you dont plan on working for sun :P [19:45:22] *** coffman__ is now known as coffman [19:45:23] <codestr0m> hahahaha [19:45:25] <nachox> codestr0m, i have an inspiron 640m [19:45:39] <codestr0m> ok. well. xRaich[o]2x isn't listening to me :P [19:45:48] <codestr0m> nor should I mention I have a 2nd laptop with solaris on it I want to sell [19:46:03] <h3sp4wn> xRaich[o]2x: This HP 8710w is ok its not very hard wearing though (but it can take 8GB ram) [19:46:21] <codestr0m> (eek --hp) [19:46:32] <xRaich[o]2x> h3sp4wn: 8gig... holy christ [19:47:38] <coffman> 8gig is not that much anymore [19:47:45] * coffman wants 16gb [19:47:55] <nachox> get a t2000 :) [19:47:59] * codestr0m tells coffman to buy a bullfrog [19:48:09] <coffman> no need for that anymore [19:49:25] <xRaich[o]2x> 4gigs should be enough for my mobile urges [19:49:56] *** gm152_ has joined #opensolaris [19:51:05] <nachox> i'd love to have 2gbs in this laptop, it'd be a big improvement [19:51:17] <nachox> 1gb is not enough these days [19:51:35] <hali> hm, im not sure i follow [19:51:41] <hali> 640k should be enough for everyone [19:51:54] <seanmcg> speaking of laptops, anyone tried a dell vostro / [19:51:55] <nachox> no [19:52:04] <h3sp4wn> I have an ibm X31 as well but thats awful with zfs (no 64 bit) [19:54:30] <coffman> there is this dell 17", M6400 intel quad core 16gb ram, 1gb nvidia quadro and 2 hard disks [19:54:47] <coffman> thats a notebook for solaris *g* [19:54:52] *** shaftyy has quit IRC [19:55:36] <codestr0m> coffman: 17" is bordering on *not* being suitable for a lap [19:56:16] <coffman> well, i dont want to carry it, but hack, for what you have interns? [19:58:39] *** Fish has quit IRC [19:58:55] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [20:02:16] <coffman> so [20:02:37] <coffman> who is the person that does the firefox port for sxce? [20:03:39] <codestr0m> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2008-April/046951.html *ouch* [20:04:00] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [20:04:11] <erast> anybody knows in which build NWS will be merged with ON ? 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[20:41:45] <steego> the user can delete/rename when logging in to the nexenta box [20:43:23] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris [20:44:53] *** Odin- has quit IRC [20:47:36] <e^ipi> steego: it probably sets some ACL's somewhere [20:47:45] <e^ipi> you'll need to use the solaris version of ls and chmod [20:47:47] <e^ipi> not the gnu crap [20:48:13] *** jamesd has quit IRC [20:50:03] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [20:50:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [20:52:42] <steego> e^ipi, aha, that sounds likely.. you don't happen to know how to do that? [20:53:03] *** laga has left #opensolaris [20:54:07] <nachox> those tools have to be somewhere in the disk, i doubt nexenta devels removed the, use find to know where they might be [20:55:00] *** techqbert has joined #opensolaris [20:55:15] <techqbert> Which log do I check if my kernel paniced? [20:55:19] <steego> i'll have a dig [20:55:34] <techqbert> *panicked [20:56:26] *** smtms has quit IRC [20:56:56] <nachox> techqbert, check in /var/crash/$(hostname) [20:57:19] <nachox> if the kernel coredumped, the dump should be there [21:00:06] <xRaich[o]2x> h3sp4wn: do you know the thinkpad SL series? [21:04:17] <xRaich[o]2x> or somebody else? ^^ [21:05:04] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [21:05:12] <codestr0m> should sar -c on 2008* print to a log or stdout? [21:05:29] *** steego has quit IRC [21:10:08] *** fr4g has quit IRC [21:11:22] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [21:16:54] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC [21:21:11] *** sailorvrz_ has joined #opensolaris [21:21:11] *** sailorvrz__ has quit IRC [21:22:23] <Yorlik> Couldsomeone please explain this to me and why i cannot remove this interface: http://pastebin.com/d71be1bfe [21:23:46] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris [21:23:53] *** gm152_ has quit IRC [21:31:56] <Auralis_> Yorlik: man ifconfig, addif, removeif is what you want to get rid of it [21:32:54] *** hsp has quit IRC [21:37:05] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [21:42:01] *** chrisr has quit IRC [21:50:43] *** insomnia has quit IRC [21:56:29] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris [22:04:17] *** Wez has joined #opensolaris [22:10:42] *** LeftWing has quit IRC [22:10:50] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris [22:11:22] <ruse39> Is there any additional tasks to do after adding one sata drive (hot-swap) ? I can see messages in dmesg that /pci@0,0/pci1043,2606@1f,2 is detected as a hard drive, but format still won't see new hard drive [22:11:51] <TomJ> try cfgadm -al [22:12:12] <TomJ> and devfsadm -v [22:12:13] <Macabee> pfexec devfsadm -c disk [22:12:21] <Macabee> or what TomJ said :) [22:12:44] <ruse39> Occupant: unconfigured Condition: unknown on new hard drive [22:13:31] <ruse39> how I should configure new hard drive ? [22:14:41] <e^ipi> use ZFS and stop worrying about it? [22:15:09] <ruse39> yeah, I want to use ZFS, but I haven't got symlink created for new hard drive in /dev/rdsk. That's why I'm crying :) [22:18:59] <e^ipi> what? [22:19:00] <ruse39> ZFS needs vdev, but looks like I haven't got symlink created [22:19:10] <e^ipi> it's not a symlink... [22:19:29] <e^ipi> one is a character device, the other is a block device [22:19:39] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [22:19:40] <ruse39> sata0/0::dsk/c3t0d0 - another hard drives is listed like this, while new hard drive is just sata0/1 [22:19:47] <e^ipi> you said you hot-swapped it? [22:19:54] <ruse39> yea [22:20:02] <e^ipi> very few sata controllers support that [22:20:06] <e^ipi> that's why SAS costs so much [22:20:12] <e^ipi> because it lets you do things like hot-swap [22:20:13] <ruse39> but I've got nice things in dmesg about new hard drive [22:20:17] <e^ipi> lovely [22:20:41] <ruse39> Oct 5 00:03:50 bmw sata: [ID 663010 kern.info] /pci@0,0/pci1043,2606@1f,2 :SATA disk device at port 1 [22:21:03] <turtle> heh bmw [22:21:12] <ruse39> :) [22:21:13] <e^ipi> really wanting something doesn't make it the case [22:21:57] <xRaich[o]2x> what kind of graphicscard would you guys prefer on a solaris laptop? intel or nvidia? [22:22:04] <ruse39> nvidia IMHO [22:22:06] <benley> nvidia [22:22:08] <e^ipi> i'd prefer intel [22:22:10] <e^ipi> *shrug* [22:22:14] <e^ipi> the drivers are OSS and work well [22:22:22] <benley> ok, then intel [22:22:29] * benley hasn't tried with intel graphics :) [22:22:36] <ruse39> but 3d performance is better with nvidia :) [22:22:38] <e^ipi> nvidia has better performance ( much better ... ) [22:22:45] <e^ipi> but the drivers may or may not continue to exist [22:22:49] <xRaich[o]2x> most new notebooks have the intel 4500MHD and i don't know if they are supported [22:22:54] <e^ipi> since you're left at the mercy of NVDA [22:23:23] <ruse39> heh, so looks like I should reboot and lost my 1 month uptime on desktop ? [22:24:07] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: i know that is bothering me a lot [22:24:42] <xRaich[o]2x> i just don't know if the 4500 chip is supported [22:24:49] <e^ipi> look it up? [22:24:57] <xRaich[o]2x> it's not in the hcl [22:25:11] <e^ipi> no, the hcl is pretty dumb [22:25:14] <e^ipi> use the source [22:27:11] <xRaich[o]2x> hmm doesn't look like it's supported yet [22:27:45] <ruse39> e^ipi, so how do you think should I reboot or try smthing else ? [22:29:42] <codestr0m> ruse39: reboot [22:31:18] <ruse39> heh [22:31:19] <ruse39> okay [22:31:54] *** ruse39 has quit IRC [22:35:35] *** art-vandelay has joined #opensolaris [22:37:04] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC [22:39:42] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [22:40:05] *** alibb has joined #opensolaris [22:40:07] *** ruse39 has joined #opensolaris [22:40:18] *** ruse39 has quit IRC [22:40:28] *** ruse39 has joined #opensolaris [22:41:04] <ruse39> hmm, yes, after reboot I was able to use new hard drive [22:41:29] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [22:47:39] *** cosmo-kramer has joined #opensolaris [22:48:02] <e^ipi> right, because your SATA controller doesn't do hot-swap [22:50:39] <nachox> would it still show a message in dmesg if it didnt? [22:51:24] <ruse39> strange, but why kernel added device, etc etc [22:51:53] <nachox> you used only reboot or reboot -r? [22:54:23] <ruse39> init 6 [23:01:44] *** kal-varnsen has joined #opensolaris [23:01:49] <e^ipi> unless you add new PCI cards too [23:03:28] *** art-vandelay has quit IRC [23:05:24] *** Yorlik has quit IRC [23:06:28] <ZOP> e^ipi: heh. told the LSI SAS to expose one drive to the BIOS, and it's booting fine [23:06:38] <ZOP> silly thing was tripping and falling on it's face due to the EFI labels [23:06:41] <ZOP> damnation [23:07:54] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [23:12:56] *** tekprep has joined #opensolaris [23:12:58] <tekprep> hey all [23:13:01] <tekprep> zpool create tank raidz c1t2d0 c1t3d0 c1t4d0 c1t5d0 c1t6d0 raidz c1t7d0 c1t8d0 c1t9d0 c1t10d0 c1t11d0 [23:13:07] <tekprep> is that a good way to setup a RAID-50 [23:13:36] <e^ipi> why the hell would you do that? [23:14:03] <e^ipi> try zpool create moreoriginalnamethantank raidz2 c1t2d0 c1t3d0 c1t4d0 c1t5d0 c1t6d0 c1t7d0 c1t8d0 c1t9d0 c1t10d0 c1t11d0 [23:14:09] <ZOP> lol [23:14:19] <ZOP> e^ipi: i think two raid sets might have better performance [23:14:29] <ZOP> the redundancy aspect is the same. [23:14:33] <e^ipi> i don't think it would [23:14:36] <e^ipi> and the redundancy is not the same [23:14:45] <ZOP> well for the group [23:14:48] <e^ipi> raidz2 / raid6 lets any 2 disks in the set die [23:14:49] <ZOP> not for an individual set no [23:15:02] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [23:15:03] <e^ipi> raid 50 allows 2 disks to fail if and only if they're on different sides of the stripe [23:15:06] <ZOP> that said on my big arrays i use either raidz2 or mirror. [23:15:35] <e^ipi> i also question the assertion that performance is better with raid50 than raidz2 [23:15:50] <e^ipi> you end up with the same amount of checksum calculation [23:16:24] <ZOP> it's not checksum calc, in raid5 sets you have to write across all the drives [23:16:26] *** art-vandelay has joined #opensolaris [23:16:27] <e^ipi> or parity i should say [23:16:32] <ZOP> so your write speed is limited by your slowest drive [23:16:45] <ZOP> now idk how ZFS fairs, i'm just talking traditional RAID5 sets [23:17:04] <e^ipi> you'd need to write across all the disks /anyways/ with a raid50 [23:17:46] *** gerry123 has joined #opensolaris [23:17:56] <ZOP> yeah but you'd have two sets so 2 disks effectively [23:17:58] <ZOP> instead of one set [23:19:03] *** cosmo-kramer has quit IRC [23:19:06] <gerry123> Hi there, anybody experience with suspending/hibernating Solaris? [23:19:49] <e^ipi> regardless, i still maintain that it makes more sense that performance would be the same, but neither one of us is going to be able to resolve it without testing, and then we'd have to agree on what it is exactly we're testing ( a lot of small files, vs a few big files, etc ) [23:20:18] <ZOP> hheh yeah [23:20:20] <xtrondo> gerry123: since b99 works like a charm for the 1st time on my laptop [23:20:31] <ZOP> and i hoenstly think ZFS has better semantics in these cases [23:20:43] <ZOP> the other thing you can do with ZFS is seperate mirrored high speed ZILs and the cache devs. [23:20:44] <gerry123> well I have b98 on my tecra m9 [23:20:57] <h3sp4wn> xtrondo: Are your fonts not really screwy (even after reinstalling the packages) [23:21:02] <gerry123> and I found a blog mentioning that it is working... [23:21:24] <gerry123> but suspending on my tecra m9 doesn't [23:21:27] <e^ipi> it is, given a specific set of hardware [23:21:29] *** Rarok has quit IRC [23:21:32] <tekprep> i like the raid-50 setup.. and have for a long time [23:21:36] <e^ipi> your machine is probably not on that list [23:21:43] <tekprep> is it ok to setup RAIDz2 over 10 HDD's ? [23:21:47] <e^ipi> tekprep: welcome to 2008, we have better ways of doing it now [23:21:51] <h3sp4wn> Its a whitelist of definately no more than 20 [23:21:51] <e^ipi> tekprep: absolutely it is [23:21:58] <tekprep> ok thanx [23:22:03] <tekprep> <--- teknoprep btw [23:22:07] <tekprep> going to go eat.. bbiab [23:22:10] <e^ipi> yeah, i figured as such [23:22:17] *** Yorlik has joined #opensolaris [23:22:35] <xtrondo> h3sp4wn: on b99 because of X packages that fail to install? [23:23:11] <gerry123> but http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=76984&tstart=-1 mentioning that it is working [23:23:19] <h3sp4wn> xtrondo: No it looks awful here (at least compared to b98 could be nvidia specific [23:23:21] <gerry123> just don't understand what he did [23:24:12] <ZOP> tekprep: yeah it's totally fine, i'm doing a raidz2 over 22 hdds, we've even now had our first failures heh. ZFS had no problems [23:24:20] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC [23:24:30] <_mary_kate_> ZOP: please tell me you didn't create a 22-disk raidz2 stripe [23:24:30] <ZOP> we actually hit the exact situation ZFS is designed for, a drive started sending back corrupt data on read. [23:25:24] <xtrondo> h3sp4wn: I know what you mean, but is due to gnome 2.23.x of b99, not because of nvidia driver, you can tweak it for similar results of b98 [23:25:32] <ZOP> _mary_kate_: for this application, yes. why? [23:25:47] <_mary_kate_> don't you find random write performance very slow? [23:26:13] <ZOP> we don't need a lot of random write performance for this application. [23:26:46] <ZOP> and actually we're probabyl going to put on some SSDs for the ZIL and for a cache vdev, cdertainly for the ZIL though. [23:28:50] *** gerry123 has quit IRC [23:29:08] <ZOP> it did get rushed into production before i had time to finsih the benchmarks and testing I wanted to do though. [23:29:24] <ZOP> but we'll probably run out of raw space before we run out of write I/O [23:30:05] <xtrondo> h3sp4wn: notice that "smoothing" on b99 defaults to "grayscale" on b99, due some issues with "Subpixel(LCD)" on "Hinting" Full on some fonts [23:32:27] *** kal-varnsen has quit IRC [23:44:59] *** art-vandelay has quit IRC [23:45:45] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [23:46:11] *** art-vandelay has joined #opensolaris [23:46:23] <ZOP> yeah there's definitely an e1000 bug in b97 damn. [23:56:36] <xtrondo> ZOP: you can workaround it, or install e1000g driver from b90 [23:56:54] *** cosmo-kramer has joined #opensolaris [23:58:57] <ZOP> there's no workaround since there's no other devices in the machine. as for an older driver, where can I get it? i can probably put it onto a CD/DVD or a USB key. [23:59:18] *** nachox has quit IRC [23:59:29] <corpvicle> fun [23:59:42] <corpvicle> this vm just hung i think [23:59:49] <xtrondo> ZOP: as workaround try setting mtu to 1492