[00:00:24] <e^ipi> archaeological record says our natives were mongolian, but my family are europeans
[00:01:32] <umodjm> ok, I'm installing the original sun release of solaris 10.. don't tell me THAT's not supported. :-)
[00:01:40] <e^ipi> that's supported
[00:01:42] <e^ipi> SXCE is too
[00:01:48] <e^ipi> SXCE's got all the newer stuff
[00:01:48] <palowoda> I figure if you can survive a winter or two up there you can be be from any country. :)
[00:01:59] <e^ipi> but the opensolaris 2008.05 distro isn't
[00:02:07] <e^ipi> palowoda: yeah, i'm considering moving to australia
[00:02:12] <e^ipi> because it doesn't snow there
[00:02:35] <umodjm> @e^ipi, ok. sxce it is..  thanks
[00:03:09] <McBofh> umodjm: you don't need to prefix a response to a specific person with "@", this is IRC not some bulletin board
[00:03:18] * McBofh feeling curmudgeonly this morning
[00:03:40] <e^ipi> McBofh: business as usual, then?
[00:03:46] <e^ipi> ;)
[00:06:58] <jbk> :)
[00:09:21] <McBofh> hmmph!
[00:09:22] <McBofh> yeah :)
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[00:21:00] <Gman> e^ipi: 2009.january :)
[00:21:21] <Gman> as a first phase - unfortunately due to other distractions we had to slip sparc support for .11
[00:21:55] <e^ipi> yeah
[00:22:09] <e^ipi> i thought as such
[00:22:15] <Gman> (other distractions = back to school/2008.05 refresher)
[00:22:18] <e^ipi> yep
[00:22:40] <Gman> sorry, know you know this :)
[00:22:45] <Gman> (filling in for others who might now)
[00:22:48] <Gman> s/now/not
[00:23:07] <alanc> do we get to call it "Developer Preview SPARC Edition" ? 8-)
[00:23:21] <Gman> no, marketing clearly decide the names
[00:23:30] <Gman> thought you'd figured that out already :P
[00:23:52] <alanc> ah, Sun Java Enterprise N1 OpenSolaris CoolThreads Platform Edition it is then
[00:24:07] <e^ipi> you forgot the xVM
[00:24:25] <jbk> :)
[00:25:07] <jbk> and iplanet and 'sun one'
[00:26:54] <alanc> and developer express
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[00:36:44] <teknoprep> hey all
[00:36:53] <teknoprep> so why does opensolaris take FOREVER to install
[00:37:03] <teknoprep> is it just because its 5.7 gigs ?
[00:37:16] <e^ipi> mostly
[00:37:41] <teknoprep> hmm
[00:37:42] <e^ipi> also package databases asnnd stuff... whatever, install time isn't a big deal
[00:37:56] <e^ipi> you really should have to install very rarely
[00:38:06] <teknoprep> i am an IT Consultant
[00:38:09] <teknoprep> i do install's all the time
[00:38:21] <teknoprep> VMware / Windows / Linux / SAN arrays
[00:38:42] <teknoprep> MAS 90 / 200 / 500 services and servers
[00:38:59] <teknoprep> alot of our clients are usually buying accounting software but have no IT department
[00:39:26] <glance> my problem with solaris jumpstart is that its just so bulky to configure wich packages to have and what i dont want, so i installs everything on all.
[00:39:55] <teknoprep> 300megs left.. hopefully that doesn't take very long
[00:40:01] <e^ipi> teknoprep: flar is faster
[00:40:08] <teknoprep> wtf is flar ?
[00:40:31] <teknoprep> ahh flash archives
[00:40:32] <e^ipi> you need to already have an archive, but once you do you can roll it out a lot faster than the regular installer
[00:40:41] <jmcp> so you should have your laptop setup as a jumpstart server
[00:40:59] <teknoprep> i doubt i will use solaris on my laptop
[00:41:09] <teknoprep> too many windows apps i have that i have to use for work
[00:41:23] <e^ipi> yeah, you do what you gotta
[00:41:27] <teknoprep> yup
[00:41:30] * glance is looking forward to the caiman auto installer...
[00:41:34] <e^ipi> my laptop is a mac
[00:41:38] <e^ipi> i use vmware
[00:41:46] <teknoprep> yeah that is ok
[00:41:53] <teknoprep> vmware fusion is ok
[00:41:56] <kimc> is wireshark working on opensolaris?
[00:42:03] <teknoprep> i prefer openxvm desktop
[00:42:07] <teknoprep> or parralells
[00:42:18] <e^ipi> kimc: snoop(1M) does
[00:42:23] <kimc> ahh ok
[00:42:40] <e^ipi> wireshark might *shrug*
[00:42:51] <e^ipi> but snoop(1M) works plenty fine
[00:42:59] <teknoprep> i have been looking for a more reasonably priced SAN storage solution for a long time
[00:43:09] <teknoprep> storevault / netapp - EMC - HP AIO / EVA
[00:43:12] <teknoprep> all too expensive
[00:43:27] <e^ipi> a crapton of cheap disks and ZFS ?
[00:43:38] <teknoprep> i have been using Linux LVM / RAID on 12 SATA drive boxes but the performance is only ok
[00:43:44] <teknoprep> e^ipi, thats why i am here
[00:43:51] <turtle> wow that sounds terrible
[00:43:54] <e^ipi> management must be horrible
[00:43:55] <teknoprep> e^ipi, bought a scsi 12 HDD Rackable server
[00:44:12] <teknoprep> turtle, why is that horrible ?
[00:44:17] <turtle> why are you here?
[00:44:23] <teknoprep> where ?
[00:44:26] <teknoprep> am i here
[00:44:36] <teknoprep> shit bbl.. i have to not be here
[00:44:56] <teknoprep> i am here.. becuase i am installing my first opensolaris box
[00:45:27] <teknoprep> on a Rackable Phantom 4 server with 12 scsi HDD's ... wanting to set this up for a test enviroment with 2 vmware ESXi boxes
[00:45:48] <jmcp> teknoprep: which scsi hba are you using?
[00:45:52] <teknoprep> software
[00:46:00] <teknoprep> oh scsi not iscsi
[00:46:07] <teknoprep> lsimega
[00:46:11] <jmcp> oh, right
[00:46:25] <teknoprep> lsi megaraid controller
[00:46:27] * jmcp finds a sympathy packet to send to teknoprep
[00:46:29] <jmcp> yeah, I know it
[00:46:39] <teknoprep> but i am not using the lsi raid portion
[00:46:47] * jmcp shrugs
[00:46:50] <teknoprep> just initialized the disks so solaris can see them .. then goign to setup a RAID-Z
[00:46:54] <teknoprep> raidz2
[00:47:24] <jmcp> I'm biased because I work on SAS, and I wish the prices for HBAs and disks would drop faster so that people could migrate from parallel scsi
[00:47:42] <teknoprep> yes i have alot of SAS stuff
[00:47:49] <teknoprep> but i don't use it for my test environments
[00:48:45] <teknoprep> too expensive
[00:48:55] <teknoprep> i bought that scsi array for 600$
[00:49:01] <teknoprep> its a good price for a test object
[00:49:07] <jmcp> yeah, I guess
[00:49:20] * jmcp still lusting after 2.5" 10krpm SAS disks
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[00:49:30] <teknoprep> 10k ?
[00:49:33] <teknoprep> why not 15k ?
[00:49:40] <jmcp> they don't make 'em
[00:49:45] <teknoprep> oh 2.5inch
[00:50:04] <Doc> i bought a 80k RPM disk once
[00:50:09] <Doc> see, i still have the hole in my desk!
[00:50:13] <jmcp> and, according to People Who Know(tm), you get much, much better performance from 10krpm in 2.5" formfactor rather than 15krpm 3.5"
[00:50:27] <jmcp> Doc: you didn't cause the heat death of the universe, good work!
[00:50:44] <teknoprep> zfs can boil the oceans you know
[00:51:55] <xRaich[o]2x> yeah. i do that constantly
[00:52:18] <maxote> where can i find source codes from this extincted book http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions%27_Commentary_on_UNIX_6th_Edition,_with_Source_Code ?
[00:54:06] * xRaich[o]2x meets bed. good night folks
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[00:54:48] <Doc> hmm. John Lions
[00:54:54] <Doc> that reminds me, did AUUG die?
[00:55:43] <jmcp> not yet
[00:56:06] <maxote> more than 20 years ago
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[00:59:22] <sprack> I'm having problems finding what is locking a file. lsof doesn't appear to work on zfs. pfiles doesn't show the file locked by any PID. When I try to rm the file (as root) I get Permission denied. Any suggestions?
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[01:00:39] <sprack> mv'ing the file gives Permission denied. chmod works though
[01:02:55] <jmcp> fuser -uf ?
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[01:05:08] <sprack> returns "CentOS-5.2-i386-bin-DVD.iso:"
[01:05:53] <sprack> i though maybe extended ACL's got hosed. so i set those the same as a file I can r/w. nothing.
[01:08:07] <h3sp4wn> sprack: are you on SXCE or indiana or solaris 10 ? (lsof with zfs should work using the headers from ON)
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[01:11:39] <moazamraja> anyone have experience with the Sun X4200 box? I'm trying to boot one up and get video output from the vga port...machine seems to boot, check drives, fans start to get quieter ...but no video is ever output
[01:12:10] <h3sp4wn> moazamraja: Sure the prom is not set to the serial port by default ?
[01:12:15] <moazamraja> no idea
[01:12:19] <moazamraja> it's a box i was just given
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[01:12:47] <moazamraja> any way to find out for sure (without plugging in a serial cable right now)
[01:13:03] <sprack> h3sp4wn: indiana
[01:13:15] <sprack> snv_98
[01:13:17] <h3sp4wn> sprack: Did you build lsof yourself ?
[01:13:37] <sprack> tried that and the sunfreeware sol_10 package too
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[01:23:49] <jbk> evenin
[01:30:29] <snakesqzns> hello
[01:32:37] <h3sp4wn> sprack: Did you manage to actually get it compiled ?
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[01:49:28] <Tpenta> or simpy type    stty erase {press your backspace key}
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[01:49:37] <Tpenta> oops stuck in history
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[01:50:03] <teknoprep> hi all
[01:50:04] <teknoprep> again
[01:50:11] <teknoprep> i got tired of working on this box at work
[01:50:15] <teknoprep> so i brought it home with me
[01:50:25] <teknoprep> gd it's noisy as hell
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[01:51:31] * Tpenta recalls doig a demo with a t1000. I was looking for the guy with the industrial vacuum cleaner
[01:51:43] <teknoprep> ll
[01:51:45] <teknoprep> haha
[01:52:02] <Tpenta> seriously that is what it sounded like with al of those small fans
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[01:52:07] <Tpenta> running at high speed
[01:52:10] <teknoprep> anyone else here going to microsofts virtual presenation in philly next month
[01:53:31] <h3sp4wn> Is there any sparc workstations that are reasonably quiet (my blade 1000 is too noisy for me to have inside the house even with the noise reduction kit)
[01:54:06] <jmcp> h3sp4wn: sparcstation 2 was, iirc
[01:54:09] <jmcp> and perhaps the ss5
[01:54:16] <Tpenta> be nice james :)
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[01:55:30] <teknoprep> i don't see too many jobs on the internet asking about solaris admins
[01:55:31] <teknoprep> hmmm
[01:55:42] <alanc> my SB100 seemed quiet when it replaced the E250 that was by the side of the desk before it (5 fans -> 1 fan), but I still noticed a big noise drop when I replaced the SB100 with a Sun Ray
[01:55:51] <sponix> need a hand with IPS, how do I update my repos from the command line ?
[01:55:57] <jmcp> Tpenta: he did ask about "sparc workstations"
[01:56:06] <sponix> the package manager thing isn't stable at all from what I've seen
[01:56:13] <jmcp> teknomega: monster.com, seek.com ... you'll find them
[01:56:18] <h3sp4wn> jmcp: I had a ss20 at one point that was not too bad - I have a javastation somewhere as well - I wouldn't mind a sparc classix or whatever they were with the mono screen (I found it easy on the eyes)
[01:56:25] <jmcp> teknomega: don't set a salary limit :)
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[01:57:11] <Tpenta> the classic was a nice little sun4m box
[01:57:18] <Tpenta> i have one packed away somewhere
[01:57:44] <teknoprep> skrew all of that
[01:57:46] <teknoprep> get a laptop
[01:57:49] <teknoprep> no fans
[01:58:04] <teknoprep> solid state hdd
[01:58:05] <Tpenta> perhaps he has a need for sparc
[01:58:14] <teknoprep> virtualize it
[01:58:31] <teknoprep> or connect to one
[01:58:39] <teknoprep> i mean there is this nifty thing called networking
[01:58:51] <teknoprep> put it in your basement and connect to it remotely
[01:59:06] <h3sp4wn> I cannot really justify tadpole prices - and when I had a trial of quicktransit I never got matlab working right
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[01:59:09] <panas> heya
[01:59:13] <panas> how do i play .mkv's in solaris?
[02:01:49] <benr> like anime?
[02:02:34] <tnelson> heh
[02:02:49] * tnelson completes the solaris 10 full enterprise + oem install
[02:03:01] <benr> mkv is only popular in Japan; tends to be used for Anime & Hentai pirates.
[02:03:10] <benr> I think Gxine out of Blastwave can view them.
[02:03:11] <tnelson> funnily enough, there are a lot more things available now.
[02:03:15] <benr> Otherwise use VLC.
[02:04:24] <snakesqzns> h3sp4wn: what about a sunray ?
[02:05:54] <h3sp4wn> snakesqzns: I was just thinking about that I suppose it would give better performance with SSGD than what I currently get with turbovnc / virtualgl
[02:06:43] <maxote> anyone has some idea about the source code of old SunOS?
[02:07:22] <snakesqzns> h3sp4wn: what are you trying to do?
[02:07:28] <tnelson> teknoprep: regarding cheap SAN solution...
[02:08:00] <tnelson> I picked up a Xyratec 16x146GB FC JBOD off eBay for like, $400.
[02:08:45] <h3sp4wn> snakesqzns: run matlab with decent performance (and avoiding brandz)
[02:08:49] <tnelson> zfs raid-z'ing 8 of the disks on my solaris 10 box.
[02:09:40] <teknoprep> tnelson, really ? wow
[02:10:36] <teknoprep> can you use disk's from multiple servers to create one pool ?
[02:10:44] <snakesqzns> no
[02:10:48] <tnelson> well
[02:10:52] <teknoprep> without iscsi
[02:11:00] <teknoprep> or a scsi cable
[02:11:17] <tnelson> the disk array has 4 fc ports
[02:11:39] <tnelson> solaris 10 is using 8 of the disks, and windows srv 2008 si using some of the others
[02:11:46] <tnelson> I think it was about $400 anyway
[02:11:52] <tnelson> super bargain, they retail for like, 10k
[02:12:04] <tnelson> I freakin' love ebay sometimes.
[02:12:21] <teknoprep> yeah i picked up a Rackable Phantom 4 with 12x73GB HDD's U360
[02:12:51] <snakesqzns> h3sp4wn: so you're running the solaris version of matlab?
[02:14:14] <snakesqzns> h3sp4wn: get yourself one of these http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadroplex.html
[02:15:09] <h3sp4wn> snakesqzns: It needs sparc (no x86 version)
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[02:17:08] <lesterc> meh - zfs doesn't make use of the extra space if one replace all disks inside a vdev...
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[02:17:32] <Luria> hi, i'm confused.
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[02:18:05] <lesterc> Luria: u talking to me?
[02:18:10] <Luria> opensolaris generates a nice .bashrc which didnt do anything until i cp'ed it to .profile
[02:18:17] <Luria> no, everyone.
[02:18:31] <lesterc> oh that - yeah I found it weird as well. :)
[02:18:45] <Luria> so, um... wtf?
[02:19:40] <lesterc> nfi - I did a chsh soon after my first login.
[02:19:41] <Luria> i mean it fixes the stupid pager problem and most of the path (no /opt stuff) issues i had, but i dont get it.
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[02:21:17] <Luria> also, jgf'ing  "opensolaris bashrc"  does not reveal this. nor is it mentioned in the sample bashrc as a comment.  if i am verbose, it's because i've been looking for an answer to this for the last day
[02:21:40] <dsturnbull> 'man bash'
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[02:22:41] <Luria> i see that now, but why make a bashrc and then not use it?
[02:22:50] <Luria> its quite misleading
[02:23:58] <Luria> in general, do people install+use sudo on opensolaris?
[02:24:15] <lesterc> iirc login shells source bash_profile, non-login shells source bashrc
[02:24:41] <Luria> ah
[02:24:42] <lesterc> linux people usually made bash_profile sourcing bashrc
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[02:24:56] <lesterc> again, dsturnbull is right, rtfm. :D
[02:25:27] <h3sp4wn> Luria: if they are sane then not (symlink sudo to pfexec if you must)
[02:25:47] <Luria> i wasn't going to
[02:26:00] <Luria> i'd be more inclined to rtfm if i didnt have to keep remembering to export pager
[02:26:14] <Luria> i now remember life before less and it sucks
[02:26:23] <Luria> (and sucked)
[02:27:04] <Luria> less is wonderful, like a read only vim.
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[02:29:26] <Luria> so i did this update all in the package manager  off a vanilla 2008.5 machine.... p4/1.6, 512mb.  should it be taking hours and hours? ssh works fine, but freenx is *slow* and the hdd light has been on for about 4-5 hours now.
[02:30:10] <Luria> i only ask b/c etch+gnome+freenx ran just fine on this machine even with big apt-gets
[02:30:37] <h3sp4wn> I had 2008.05 on a 2GB ram p3-m 1.7ghz and stopped solaris on it (zfs really is horrible on 32 bit)
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[02:31:15] <Luria> aw crud. maybe a i should get a motherboard for my old a64 venice
[02:31:46] <h3sp4wn> SXCE with ufs should be ok
[02:31:56] <h3sp4wn> maybe (not much ram)
[02:32:15] <Luria> ram will be going up to 1gb in a day or two
[02:32:52] <Luria> ddr is so damn expensive (relative to ddr2, and yes i understand why)
[02:33:02] <tnelson> heh
[02:33:20] <tnelson> I just bought, um, 32gb of ddr2 pc5300
[02:33:30] <Luria> i just spend $90 on 4gb of cheap ram
[02:33:36] <tnelson> only to find out that the box requires unbuffered ecc
[02:33:40] <Luria> ouch
[02:33:41] <tnelson> which isn't what I got, yay!
[02:33:49] <tnelson> Luria: I am the king of buying ram.
[02:34:00] <e^ipi> speaking of video codecs ( a while ago anyways ) ... is there a container format that'd let me compress my DVD's and keep subs & alternate audio in the same thing?
[02:34:02] <tnelson> I have about a terabyte of ram modules lying around.
[02:34:19] <tnelson> bought a box of 72x1gb pc2100 off ebay
[02:34:38] <Luria> funny thing is, i have a stack of ddr2 lying here but my fastest machine is a 939 opteron
[02:34:53] <Luria> iow, plenty of ram with nowhere to go
[02:35:38] <tnelson> what sort of ddr2?
[02:35:40] <Luria> well, i was planning on building a c2d virtual host for playing around and de-ice cds
[02:35:46] <tnelson> I'm always in the market for more
[02:35:55] <tnelson> (or rather, more of the type I actually need)
[02:36:03] <tnelson> (as opposed to more crap that doesn't fit in anything I have)
[02:36:13] <Luria> no, no ram for sale here :-)
[02:36:23] <Luria> one sec, its crap...
[02:37:12] <h3sp4wn> e^ipi: You can with all of them afaik (at least mp4 / avi / whatever the ogg container format is) I would use x264 (macs have a hardware decoder for that afaik)
[02:37:33] <e^ipi> x264 won't work on B's mac mini ( PPC )
[02:37:38] <Luria> btw, since it seems like i'm redoing my entire home network....
[02:37:39] <e^ipi> already tried, it's pretty crap
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[02:38:30] <Luria> any thoughts on a centralized user managment platform for xp, linux, open solaris and open/netbsd?
[02:38:46] <teknoprep> LDAP ?
[02:38:55] <teknoprep> active directory works
[02:39:04] <e^ipi> avi doesn't have it, or at least handbrake doesn't know what to do with it, and avi doesn't support subtitles
[02:39:31] <Luria> thats what i was thinking. i just hate having to have a windows server
[02:39:50] <teknoprep> use samba 4 than
[02:39:55] <Luria> that said, small domain controllers are really easy to set up
[02:39:56] <teknoprep> samba 4 emulate AD
[02:40:06] <teknoprep> AD servers are easy
[02:40:11] <Luria> is there a good front end for it?
[02:40:16] <teknoprep> whats hard about active directory
[02:40:25] <teknoprep> yes there is an AJAX web gui
[02:40:32] <Luria> nothing's hard, ever msces can do it
[02:40:39] <Luria> s/ever/even
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[02:41:08] <teknoprep> woah.. i have my mcse
[02:41:21] <teknoprep> does that mean i can doit too ?
[02:41:33] <Luria> i dunno can you? :-)
[02:42:33] <teknoprep> stop messing with me.. i am already loopy enough from all the microsoft knowlege i have
[02:43:06] <Luria> yes but it seems that you can do *nix too. I once was told by a 15 year IT veteran how he was able to get wifi from his neighbor because, even though he shut off the dhcp server, he remembered all the settings...
[02:43:27] <Luria> i looked at him and said."arp?"
[02:43:45] <Luria> he didnt know what i was talking about
[02:43:49] <teknoprep> lol
[02:44:04] <teknoprep> so he know's subnet settings only up to 255.255.255.0
[02:44:09] <teknoprep> but realy doesn't know what that means
[02:44:15] <teknoprep> i remember when i learned subnets
[02:44:22] <teknoprep> that was my breaking point in networking
[02:44:26] <teknoprep> i was like 16 or 17
[02:44:40] <teknoprep> and when i learned that i went like holy f**k
[02:44:42] <Luria> 255.255.255.0, thats like a real big multicast, right?
[02:44:45] <Luria> :-)
[02:44:48] <teknoprep> lol
[02:45:21] <teknoprep> nonono ... hey why can't i use the ip addres 192.168.1.255
[02:45:22] <snakesqzns> Luria: using AD works but I ran into a bunch of issues with the MMC GUI tools
[02:45:26] <snakesqzns> on the AD-side
[02:45:33] <teknoprep> it works sometimes and then other times it doenst
[02:45:55] <teknoprep> snakesqzns, you talking about SAMBA 4 ?
[02:46:06] <teknoprep> snakesqzns, SAMBA 4 with MMC GUI
[02:46:16] <Luria> snakesqzns, on windows or linux?
[02:46:27] <teknoprep> well the mmc tools only run on windows
[02:46:29] <Luria> cause when i hear mmc i think windows
[02:46:41] <snakesqzns> no, i mean the extended properties tabs for managing user/group objects in Active Directory
[02:46:58] <Luria> would be neat to have wine use the mmcs to manage samba tho
[02:47:16] <teknoprep> but i thought samba 4 had an ajax web interface to manage AD users
[02:47:18] <teknoprep> and settings
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[02:48:46] <snakesqzns> i'm acutally going to run two ldaps
[02:49:01] <Luria> orly?
[02:49:23] <Luria> there should be a forum for advanced small/home networking
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[02:49:57] <tnelson> how can you tell if you're using x86 or x64?
[02:50:00] <Luria> im still trying to figure out whether my vpn should route to my wired vlan or wifi (and then need a second tunnel)
[02:50:16] <snakesqzns> uname -a
[02:50:20] <Luria> uname 0a
[02:50:26] <tnelson> well that reports i386
[02:50:29] <Luria> oops. what he said
[02:50:41] <tnelson> but, when the kernel boots, it says x64
[02:50:47] <tnelson> (or 64-bit rather)
[02:50:51] <jmcp> tnelson: should run    isainfo -v
[02:50:54] <e^ipi> tnelson: isainfo
[02:50:55] <jmcp> or, isainfo -b
[02:51:01] <teknoprep> lol
[02:51:05] <tnelson> ah
[02:51:09] <teknoprep> you guys love spitting out the commands
[02:51:31] <e^ipi> id've given you a man page if you asked something more complicated
[02:51:31] * tnelson tests
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[02:51:43] <tnelson> how do I list all available disks on my FC
[02:51:58] <tnelson> (such taht I can feed the device names into zfs create)
[02:51:58] <e^ipi> docs.sun.com
[02:52:00] <tnelson> haha
[02:52:01] <tnelson> damnit
[02:52:04] <teknoprep> my putty hurts so fkucnig bad
[02:52:12] <e^ipi> teknoprep: TMI
[02:52:25] <teknoprep> lol
[02:52:30] <snakesqzns> tnelson: cfgadm or format i think
[02:52:40] <e^ipi> man iostat
[02:52:51] <jmcp> tnelson: iostat, or format < /dev/null, or cfgadm -lav
[02:53:10] <jmcp> but you'll have to do copy+paste or some scripting in order to do prettiness with zpool create
[02:53:35] <Luria> wow, opensolaris is killing this p4
[02:54:56] <tnelson> format < /dev/null is pretty useful
[02:55:17] <tnelson> why does solaris feel so foreign!
[02:55:18] <Luria> that would make it go real real fast
[02:55:34] <tnelson> even aix seems more familiar
[02:55:39] <jmcp> tnelson: because you haven't left your assumptions at the door
[02:55:42] <Luria> oddly enough its the first direct hands on unix i ever used
[02:55:43] <tnelson> (actually that's a complete lie)
[02:55:59] <Luria> ie not through a shell
[02:56:03] <tnelson> I've got a bsd background
[02:56:05] <tnelson> detest linux
[02:56:16] <snakesqzns> debate time!
[02:56:17] <tnelson> my knowledge isn't commuting very well with solaris though
[02:56:25] <Luria> i used openbsd for a while before switching to debian
[02:56:38] <Luria> tho i used redhat long long ago
[02:56:40] <tnelson> I don't like linux because I'm stubborn.
[02:56:54] <tnelson> And *bsd is like the little engine that could.
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[02:57:06] <evocallaghan> lol
[02:57:14] <tnelson> (and my first unix exposure)
[02:57:18] <Luria> i dont get all the linux hate.
[02:57:44] <Luria> i hate rpms tho.
[02:57:47] <tnelson> haha
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[02:58:18] <tnelson> I just like hating things that are popular.
[02:58:33] <tnelson> therefore, I detest linux, and os x for that matter.
[02:58:36] <Luria> yeah, i got over that. i like ubuntu now.
[02:58:38] <tnelson> windows and/or *bsd ftw!
[02:58:48] * tnelson hearts windows server 2008
[02:58:50] <Luria> oooh i despise os/x. I like xp.
[02:58:55] * jmcp rolls eyes
[02:59:26] <Luria> i like photoshop and games. have another suggestion?
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[02:59:58] <teknoprep> windows
[03:00:04] <teknoprep> luria use windows
[03:00:10] <Luria> uh, right, i am.
[03:00:14] <teknoprep> its really not the end of the world
[03:00:19] <teknoprep> i know it sucks
[03:00:24] <teknoprep> but its not that bad either
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[03:00:34] <Luria> look up a couple of lines. i said i like xp.
[03:00:42] <Luria> i loved win2k.
[03:00:45] <teknoprep> using technology in conjunction with eachother is better than saying one thing is better than the other
[03:01:04] <Luria> xp pro with all the shit turned off is pretty close to w2k.
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[03:01:26] <Luria> and with a fixed tcp half connection limit :-)
[03:01:26] <cchapman> i use the right tool for the right job personally, whether it be Windows, Linux, Solaris, OSX
[03:01:39] <teknoprep> same
[03:01:42] <Luria> rarely is osx the right tool.
[03:01:52] <Luria> i can think of only one reason to use it.
[03:01:59] <teknoprep> luria.. you give an osx computer to a moron.. they can use it
[03:02:03] <cchapman> if i want to cool media stuff yes OSX is the right tool
[03:02:15] <Luria> cchapman, thats totally wrong
[03:02:30] <cchapman> Luria, why is that wonrg?
[03:02:48] <teknoprep> Luria, read the statement more thouroghly
[03:02:59] <teknoprep> Luria, he said... if "I" want
[03:03:02] <CIA-25> Mark J. Nelson <Mark.J.Nelson at Sun dot COM>: 6735422 RFE: add template to cdm so that `hg outgoing -v` will list files one-per-line
[03:03:04] <teknoprep> Luria, not if you want
[03:03:08] <Luria> photoshop is better on windows. as far as audio, its dealer's choice, but quicktime is a fucking pain... silently doing a/d/ac
[03:03:17] <teknoprep> Luria, so if he wants to cool media stuff... then he uses OSx
[03:03:33] <Luria> i was speaking about the media stuff on osx is mostly marketing
[03:03:34] <kohju> morning.... i am still sleepy.
[03:03:53] <cchapman> really, so your peon WIndows XP agains my mac pro is better?
[03:04:05] <cchapman> i have a hard time believing that
[03:04:09] <h3sp4wn> Luria: You cannot get new versions of logic on Windows
[03:04:12] <teknoprep> its all the same
[03:04:23] <teknoprep> all OS's are about the same for the desktop experience
[03:04:26] <cchapman> i am talking about hardware support now
[03:04:31] <teknoprep> they all do things the same but in a different manner
[03:04:33] <Luria> and what version of sonar runs on osx?
[03:04:38] <teknoprep> its all about the end users use
[03:04:40] <teknoprep> and thats it
[03:04:58] <cchapman> hehe
[03:05:16] <cchapman> I am no fan boy of any OS.
[03:05:23] <jmcp> hey folks, could we get the conversation back to OpenSolaris please?
[03:05:32] <Luria> more sound hardware support on windows... my delta 1010 likes its home very much. i rarely boot to osx on my machine.
[03:05:52] <tnelson> how do you love win2k?
[03:06:03] <tnelson> it's so ugly.
[03:06:19] <cchapman> I love DOS 6.22 and Novel Netware 4.11
[03:06:21] <tnelson> at least xp had cleartype/anti-aliased fonts.
[03:06:29] <h3sp4wn> Luria: Don't know anyone who uses sonar
[03:06:30] <jmcp> OI !!  could we get the conversation back to OpenSolaris please?
[03:06:35] <snakesqzns> DOS 6.22 was the best
[03:06:42] <Tpenta> Why, when you have stuff like http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/29/1433206
[03:06:54] <tnelson> I love opensolaris.
[03:07:10] <jmcp> cchapman/tnelson/Luria:: if you want to talk about Netware/MS operating systems / Mac OSX et al, please do it _elsewhere_
[03:07:13] * jmcp getting annoyed
[03:07:28] <Luria> ok, ok. you are totally right.
[03:07:35] <Tpenta> yea he is
[03:08:55] <cchapman> see now its quiet
[03:09:08] <Luria> h3sp4wn, sonar is great, and i have used pro tools, logic, garageband, reaper, ardour, etc,  etc. its just overlooked b/c the only thing an audio engineer can get his head around is os/x. /msg me if you want to chat a bit more about it.
[03:09:18] <jmcp> cchapman: we don't need to fill the void just for the sake of filling it
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[03:09:34] <teknoprep> actually we do
[03:09:38] <teknoprep> there is math that proves it
[03:09:41] <Luria> yeah, bits are expensive; some of us are surfing long distance.
[03:10:03] <michaeljones> hi, this is Mike. Just came by to check things out
[03:10:14] <michaeljones> don't let me interfere
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[03:10:31] <cchapman> jmcp: what vested interest do you have in keeping this channel from people talking?
[03:10:49] <Luria> well, you just missed a comparative os discussion.
[03:10:54] <jmcp> fer cryin' out loud. This channel is for OpenSolaris. Not for MS Windows or OSX or whatever
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[03:11:10] <Guest4405> comparing opensolaris and?
[03:11:15] <jmcp> head > desk
[03:11:32] <Guest4405> Desk? I don't think I've heard of desk
[03:11:40] <cchapman> pushing jmcps head > desk
[03:12:16] <teknoprep> gagging a woman with only half your cawk ... priceless
[03:12:24] <Luria> well, it's a channel about an os. os comparison discussions are not unforseen. I doubt there is anyone who has used only *solaris, as opposed to win* or os/x, where users only know one thing.
[03:13:01] <Luria> or rather, *may* only know one thing.
[03:13:10] <Guest4405> true, true...question is, Why opensolaris and not a Linux distro of some description?
[03:13:37] <teknoprep> answer = zfs
[03:13:40] <Luria> stability, zfs
[03:13:47] <teknoprep> zfs makes me excited
[03:13:52] <Guest4405> Hah hah!
[03:13:59] * jmcp looks around for a chanop
[03:14:04] <Guest4405> I'll have to look it up. I'm a bit of a newb
[03:14:15] <jmcp> Guest4405: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs
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[03:14:25] <Luria> also rbac, which i have to learn
[03:14:33] <newb> merci :D
[03:15:15] <cchapman> so other than ZFS?  what makes opensolaris so great?
[03:16:18] <evocallaghan> cchapman:It works and its proper Unix^tm
[03:17:00] <Luria> its a real unix? and posix? and stable?
[03:17:05] <evocallaghan> We don't work on the FUD factor like Linux does
[03:17:12] <cchapman> I cant get it to work on my IBM Thinkpad laptop....
[03:17:35] <Luria> well, actually, that touches on the only reason i can see to use os/x....
[03:17:53] <cchapman> It doesnt support NIC, Video(Accelerated), or Suspend
[03:17:54] <Luria> its the only *nix like os that seems to do power management well
[03:18:00] <evocallaghan> cchapman:Can't get it to work is useless debug info
[03:18:08] <Luria> cchapman, stick it in a vm?
[03:18:19] <evocallaghan> What build are you running and what model is the laptop with what problem ?
[03:18:22] <newb> that's what I is doin'
[03:18:40] <cchapman> SXCE 98
[03:18:41] * newb is using  a virtual machine
[03:18:51] <cchapman> Thinkpad X40
[03:19:05] <cchapman> I run ubuntu 8.04.....
[03:19:10] <cchapman> it works flawlessly
[03:19:20] <snakesqzns> anyone know what joyent runs?  sxce, opensolaris ?
[03:19:23] <newb> I had trouble with sudo apt-get
[03:19:26] <newb> on Ubuntu that is
[03:19:30] <cchapman> i really want opensolaris/solaris 10/SXCE
[03:19:55] <evocallaghan> cchapman:What's the problem ?
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[03:20:10] <evocallaghan> cchapman:btw SXCE snv_99 is out
[03:20:19] <cchapman> First and for most, i want the NIC to work
[03:20:29] <cchapman> second, Accelerated Video
[03:20:36] <cchapman> Suspend is a nice to have
[03:20:50] <cchapman> NIC grabs an IP address but never gets out of the network
[03:20:56] <benley> of course b99 is out, it's because I just installed b98
[03:21:10] <h3sp4wn> cchapman: I would try the xig server (and if you like it buy it) if you want to use Solaris 10
[03:21:23] <cchapman> Default route is set, dns is set, gateway is set
[03:21:48] <cchapman> ip is dhcped
[03:21:50] <sponix> cchapman:  common fix is mv /etc/nsswitch.conf /etc/nsswitch.conf.org && cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf to make use of DNS ;) see what that does for you
[03:22:13] <sponix> benley:  yeah, I just downloaded 98 like 2 days ago ;)
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[03:22:32] <benley> 'salright though, I only update when I have a reason to
[03:22:35] <kohju> i hear that b99 has the problem caused trouble.
[03:23:12] <sponix> OK, I run Ubuntu 8.04 as my main OS, right now using i386 on an amd64, should I update to amd64 build, plan to host SXCE/OpenSolaris in VirtualBox, and encode movies 24/7
[03:23:17] <cchapman> isnt intel graphics cards supported for accelerated graphocs on *solaris?
[03:23:33] <sponix> Machine is AMD Athlon XP 64, 4G Ram
[03:24:01] <sponix> oh, and just put an Nvidia 7300GT 512Meg PCE-E card in it
[03:24:33] <h3sp4wn> cchapman: SXCE has some support - Compare XiG and the alternative and see if its worth the money
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[03:25:18] <cchapman> h3sp4wn: why should i have to buy those when i can do the same thing in linux without paying for it?
[03:25:28] <cchapman> it just works
[03:26:06] <cchapman> I have tried all 3 *solaris and none of tem have accelerated X for intel cards
[03:26:38] <h3sp4wn> I dunno for me comparing the junk ati stuff in xorg reminded me something I had forgotten
[03:26:45] <Luria> tnelson, so how do you score al this ram?
[03:26:55] <Luria> s/al/all
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[03:28:22] <lesterc> does anyone if sun is actually working on bug #4852783? :)
[03:28:36] <cchapman> ok so no one has an answer?  jmcp? you have anything to add, since the topic is on solaris?
[03:29:18] <lesterc> Eric hasn't blogged about zfs for a while. :)
[03:29:40] <h3sp4wn> cchapman: SXCE does have dri theoretically anyway
[03:30:04] <dsturnbull> does my slog device being offline expose me to extra risk, or is it handled nicely?
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[03:31:41] <Luria> btw, i found this sun ray machine in my house. do i need to buy anything to make it work?
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[03:33:13] <snakesqzns> Luria:  a sunray server
[03:34:23] <Luria> thats not good
[03:34:31] <Luria> i want free :-)
[03:34:42] <snakesqzns> it is free
[03:34:45] <snakesqzns> download it
[03:34:48] <Luria> oh
[03:35:12] <h3sp4wn> Its only a trial isn't it
[03:35:12] <h3sp4wn> ?
[03:35:15] <snakesqzns> nope
[03:35:41] <snakesqzns> what, is it?
[03:35:44] <snakesqzns> wait
[03:36:00] <h3sp4wn> http://www.sun.com/software/products/sgd/index.jsp (thats the sunray software right)
[03:36:16] <snakesqzns> hmm i think it is, you need a right to use license, which i think comes with the sun ray client
[03:37:21] <alanc> h3sp4wn: sgd is often displayed on sun rays, but it's not the sun ray server software
[03:37:35] <alanc> SGD is the product formerly known as Tarantella
[03:38:16] <alanc> it's more like VNC/Windows Remote Desktop/Citrix
[03:38:25] <h3sp4wn> alanc: Ah thanks I thought they were now bundled into a single product
[03:38:26] <Luria> im confused, whats the 30 day free trial thing then
[03:38:27] <Luria> does sun really need a java applet to serve files, srsly.
[03:38:47] <h3sp4wn> I used tarantella when it was SCO and it was bad guess its better
[03:38:49] <alanc> the Sun Ray Software suite includes SGD & the Sun Ray Server software
[03:39:10] <alanc> http://www.sun.com/software/sunray/index.jsp
[03:40:59] <snakesqzns> yeah i don't know what they mean by 90-day trial
[03:41:13] <snakesqzns> maybe they don't require RTU licenses before 90-days
[03:41:37] <alanc> I don't know, all my licenses are free, so I've never kept up on the licensing status/rules
[03:41:48] <Luria> sigh. guess ill just use a pc as a thin client.
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[03:42:04] <Luria> wtf do i do with this thing then...
[03:42:07] <snakesqzns> http://store.sun.com/CMTemplate/CEServlet?process=SunStore&cmdViewProduct_CP&catid=139020
[03:42:16] <snakesqzns> it says there " Sun Ray Software is available for download at no charge, or a media kit may be purchased."
[03:42:32] <h3sp4wn> If its just $125 I wouldn't mind to pay that for myself but if its 125$ + 199$ then I dunno whether I will bother
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[03:43:12] <snakesqzns> well
[03:43:14] <snakesqzns> http://shop.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Sun_NorthAmerica-Sun_Store_US-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewConfigurations-List?ProxyProductRefID=DUMMY1--HID1970199629 at Sun_NorthAmerica-Sun_Store_US&CatalogCategoryID=crhIBe dot doFYAAAEUBEw5G_c2&ShowAllProducts=false
[03:43:24] <snakesqzns> the RTU license comes with the sunray client
[03:44:03] <snakesqzns> i can't think of a scenerio where you need to buy the license without a device
[03:44:36] <Luria> i think i got the terminal from an ex-sun employee or intern
[03:44:42] <Doc> RTU doesnt transfer if you sell
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[03:45:00] <Luria> been lying around for years
[03:48:20] <snakesqzns> you can run the Sun Ray server on Linux too
[03:49:15] <Luria> i know, but i'd like to play with solaris and the prepackages binaries are for sled and rhel, neither of which i use or want to use
[03:50:08] <Luria> yes, i know i can install on debian/ubuntu but meh.
[03:50:19] <snakesqzns> yeah i'd like to see ubuntu officially supported
[03:50:40] <Luria> debian makes more sense
[03:50:56] <Luria> but i'd take it
[03:51:19] <snakesqzns> well for me ubuntu provides a more polished desktop experience
[03:51:28] <snakesqzns> but debian pretty close
[03:51:40] <Luria> it does, but debian is a nice server
[03:52:11] <snakesqzns> maybe but if you're talking about Sun Ray Server the desktop system matters
[03:52:24] <snakesqzns> unless you're just passing through to Terminal Services
[03:52:34] <Luria> true, but gnome is gnome
[03:53:02] <h3sp4wn> JDS is the only tolerable gnome I have experienced
[03:53:26] <snakesqzns> you can't really believe that?
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[03:54:25] <h3sp4wn> even the setup on os 2008.05 is horrible
[03:54:55] <snakesqzns> have you used ubuntu?
[03:55:15] <Luria> ugh ubuntu's installer
[03:55:27] <h3sp4wn> snakesqzns: Yep its complete garbage
[03:55:43] <snakesqzns> what makes it garbage?
[03:55:53] <snakesqzns> no Nimbus theme by default?
[03:56:09] <h3sp4wn> snakesqzns: Inability of its developers to fix stuff
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[03:59:52] <Luria> christ, this is nuts. i cant nx into my solaris machine because of the package manager's update
[04:00:11] <Luria> 6 hours later
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[04:00:47] <Luria> the hdd is thrashing like a fish on a stick
[04:01:25] <Luria> oh wow, i think i finally got through
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[04:04:15] <Gman_> h3sp4wn: did you file bugs?
[04:08:23] <tnelson> So uh, I'm guessing 'tank' is typical name for your first/only zfs storage pool?
[04:09:13] <Luria> hey tnelson, i meant to ask you, where do i buy lots of ram cheap?
[04:09:26] <tnelson> ebay ftw
[04:09:33] <tnelson> Or me, depending on what sort of RAM you want.
[04:09:39] <Luria> hehe.
[04:09:50] <h3sp4wn> Gman_: I once asked Cadence why they wouldn't support Debian or Ubuntu that was the response I got amid alot of laughter
[04:11:34] <h3sp4wn> Gman_: Or you mean about JDS ?
[04:11:42] <Gman_> h3sp4wn: jds/gnome
[04:13:14] <Tempt> tnelson: Call it whatever you want. slopbucket sounds good.
[04:13:14] <h3sp4wn> Gman_: Is asking for the sun branding from SXCE (maybe in a non free pkg repo) a reasonable request ?
[04:13:34] <Gman_> h3sp4wn: for opensolaris? unlikely to happen
[04:13:43] <Gman_> they mostly share the same setup, except for the menus
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[04:14:30] <h3sp4wn> Gman_: Thats my issue though the one in SXCE seems well thought out whereas the other one does not gel right (subjective though)
[04:14:30] <Gman_> 2008.11 has changed a little bit
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[04:15:02] <Gman_> h3sp4wn: one panel vs 2? or actual menu entries?
[04:15:21] <nachox> Gman_, it will be based on nv_100?
[04:15:59] <Gman_> nachox: yeah, we're syncing against 101 finally
[04:16:16] <h3sp4wn> Gman_: I prefer one panel but just where the stuff is seems more logical
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[04:16:40] <Gman_> i don't use the menus very much generaly
[04:17:36] <nachox> i read that nv_100 brought some improvements in suspend and resume :)
[04:18:04] <h3sp4wn> I think on both reverting the change that makes gnome-terminal start in ~/Desktop instead of ~ would be nice (have to mess with gconf-editor to change that)
[04:19:03] <nachox> Gman_, would it be possible to get gpg included in 2008.11? or it's too late?
[04:19:15] <McBofh> too late, surely
[04:20:09] <Luria> i give up, rebooting the open solaris box.
[04:20:10] <Gman_> nachox: we've scheduled it, not sure if it's going to make it
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[04:20:43] <Gman_> nachox: suspend resume for a bunch of toshibas, some lenova, and some ultras
[04:20:55] <nachox> i've not seen anything in osol-arc about it
[04:20:58] <Gman_> h3sp4wn: yeah, a couple of people have mentioned that - i agree
[04:21:04] <Gman_> nachox: yeah, it's sort of in limbo
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[04:23:17] <nachox> crap
[04:25:51] <Gman_> nachox: some of the keyring management stuff in gnome needs it, so probably not far off
[04:26:18] <tnelson> what the...
[04:26:20] <tnelson> carbon# zfs create san raidz c0t2000000C5036C9C1d0 c0t2000000C5036CBAAd0 c0t2000000C5036CBD4d0 c0t2000000C5036CC2Ed0 c0t2000000C5036CC2Fd0 c0t2000000C5036CC4Ed0 c0t2000000C5036CC8Ad0 c0t2000000C5036CC37d0
[04:26:20] <tnelson> too many arguments
[04:26:33] <tnelson> surely not!
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[04:28:05] <nachox> Gman_, much better, i'm only one mplayer away from not having to compile anything but my nic drivers :)
[04:28:25] <Tempt> tnelson: zpool create
[04:28:33] <tnelson> aaaaaaaaaaahhhhh haha
[04:28:52] <Gman_> nachox: sweet, that's what we like to hear
[04:29:46] <nachox> i'm still calling it indiana though :)
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[04:30:18] <Tempt> Anyone tried SRSS on Indiana yet?
[04:30:34] * alanc_away thinks the indiana name is obsolete, given ian's lack of involvement these days, better to call it "New Zealand" now
[04:30:34] <nachox> SRSS?
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[04:30:49] <McBofh> Tempt: I don't think it'll work until 2008.11, unless there's been some update to the Xsun/Xorg thing
[04:30:57] <Tempt> Xnewt, you mean.
[04:31:08] <nachox> ohh, sun ray server
[04:31:12] <alanc> Tempt: yes, people have, and if you install enough of the non-redistro packages from SXCE along with the beta containing Xnewt, it mostly works
[04:31:22] <Tempt> Interesting.
[04:31:24] <snakesqzns> where did ian go?
[04:31:26] <alanc> (need things like Motif for some of the smartcard guis)
[04:31:31] <Tempt> Heh.
[04:31:37] <nachox> snakesqzns, more into management
[04:31:48] <alanc> there were some threads on the sun ray community list about it a while ago
[04:31:49] <Tempt> Still, Indiana won't run on any of my hardware, so it's all academic anyway.
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[04:31:59] <alanc> not sure if they published all the steps or not
[04:32:19] <alanc> (sun-rays.org or whatever it is
[04:32:19] <alanc> )
[04:32:23] <nachox> Tempt, ditch that sparc stuff :)
[04:32:26] * alanc really is leaving this time
[04:32:32] <Tempt> nachox: NEVER!
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[04:32:34] <nachox> night alanc
[04:32:55] <nachox> dont you know X86 is the future?
[04:33:02] <nachox> well, and power
[04:33:08] <Tempt> SPARC64-VII all the way
[04:33:17] <nachox> and itanium
[04:33:25] <nachox> well, maybe not itanium :)
[04:33:34] <Tempt> You realise that the new quad core SPARC64s are beating POWER6 in the database benchmarks, right?
[04:34:21] <nachox> so? power is important in places other than servers
[04:34:36] <Tempt> Nothing that matters to me.
[04:34:47] <nachox> we all love ps3
[04:35:06] <Tempt> (I don't see a need to run Solaris on the PS3, nor on a car computer, nor on a Cyclades terminal mux, ...)
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[04:36:31] <nachox> i'd love to see sparc in the one of the HPC supercomputers though
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[04:48:49] <phrost> do you need to restart any services when you make a pam configuration change on solaris?
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[04:56:42] <snakesqzns> not that i've seen but it's possible
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[05:00:10] <sstallion> evening all
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[05:09:31] <nachox> night all
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[05:22:07] <phrost> can you assign profiles or roles to groups instead of just individual users?
[05:30:10] <TomJ> no
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[05:30:41] <TomJ> but you can assign a bunch of profiles/auths to a single role and then assign that role to a bunch of users
[05:30:51] <TomJ> but yeah it's a bit tedious that there are multiple groupings of users
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[05:31:11] <TomJ> GIDs for file perms,  roles/profiles for RBAC, and then also netgroups if you use NIS
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[05:31:53] <mefistofeles> DaRtH_VaDeR, u suck
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[05:32:03] <DaRtH_VaDeR> damn
[05:35:35] <Luria> aw crap, srss doesnt work on open solaris
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[05:41:05] <sprack> h3sp4wn: no i didn't get source to compile. unrecognized version of solaris and I didn't feel like hacking. was hoping I was missing simple
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[05:48:21] <phrost> hrm, for user authentication- is there a pam module for solaris that can check for group membership for a PAM service (eg ssh).. on linux pam i'd use pam_succeed_if
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[05:59:36] <CIA-25> James C. McPherson <James.McPherson at Sun dot COM>: 6755442 "make modlist" generates incorrect entry for arcmsr
[05:59:40] <maxote> http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=f45e8d2d7   <--- the Xbox360 is a crap of faked 64-bit architecture. Don't buy Xbox360 to develop apps on linux-or-*bsd/ppc64, don't confuse!
[05:59:59] <maxote> The upper 32 bit of a 64-bit address is encrypted & hashed, it does the things slower, smaller spaces & useless.
[06:04:53] <e^ipi> maxote: how is that the slightest bit relevent to solaris?
[06:07:17] <e^ipi> hey, CIA-25 is working again
[06:07:19] <e^ipi> nifty
[06:08:13] <tnelson> haha, finally, my san zfs pool is created!
[06:08:27] <tnelson> that only took 3 hours of pissing about
[06:09:01] <e^ipi> that's a lot
[06:09:08] <tnelson> yeah
[06:09:13] <e^ipi> you should be able to roll it out in ~ 2 or 3 mins
[06:09:25] <tnelson> the disks on the san were in random order
[06:09:47] <tnelson> I want the first 12 to be used for this pool
[06:10:01] <tnelson> had to figure out which drive was in which order
[06:11:49] <Luria> gah, back to linux for now
[06:11:53] <tnelson> format < /dev/null > | grep '\. c0t2' | awk '{ print $2 }' | sed -e 's/^/dd if=\/dev\/dsk\//' -e 's/$/ of=\/dev\/null bs=2048 count=9999/' > ping-drives-in-order.sh && chmod 755 ping-drives-in-order.sh && ./ping-drives-in-order.sh
[06:11:54] <tnelson> heh
[06:12:57] <tnelson> yay, 1.2TB
[06:13:09] <tnelson> that's a decent sized /home drive
[06:14:00] <Luria> i need more storage on this machine :-(
[06:16:22] <e^ipi> so buy more
[06:16:24] <e^ipi> disks are cheap
[06:20:22] <jafari> when using metainit to create a raid , what  command tells it that you are creating raid 0 or raid 5
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[06:24:10] <e^ipi> any reason you're not using zfs for this?
[06:24:25] <jafari> not runningSXCE
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[06:24:50] <e^ipi> so?
[06:24:55] <h3sp4wn> Has anyone played with opensolaris on a leon or using the fpga opensparc t1000 or t2000 (does the source even allow 32 bit sparc ?)
[06:25:07] <McBofh> jafari: SVM and SXCE are not mutually exclusive
[06:25:28] <e^ipi> h3sp4wn: 32bit sparc is dead and has been since S9
[06:26:06] <h3sp4wn> e^ipi: Do they still plan to try to get opensolaris suitable for embedded ?
[06:26:46] <McBofh> jafari: in direct response to your metainit question, tfm for metainit should tell you in sufficient detail
[06:27:12] <e^ipi> h3sp4wn: has anyone ever planned for that?
[06:27:38] <e^ipi> solaris would kinna suck in that domain
[06:27:41] <h3sp4wn> e^ipi: There is community's / projects dunno whether they ever dfif anything
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[06:28:05] <h3sp4wn> Why would it suck ?
[06:28:43] <e^ipi> because solaris is gigantic
[06:28:49] <e^ipi> and is tuned for big machines
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[06:29:10] <e^ipi> single thread performance is traded off for big SMP performance
[06:29:11] <h3sp4wn> I ment only the kernel
[06:29:14] <e^ipi> so do I
[06:29:23] <jafari> e^ipi,  i am running solaris 10 release 8/07
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[06:29:39] <e^ipi> there's not a lot to be gained from stripping down solaris to fit in embedded spaces
[06:29:42] <jafari> someone mention zfs boot  and mirroring
[06:29:57] <jafari> but i am unable to do that with the version i am running
[06:30:14] <McBofh> correct
[06:30:20] <McBofh> it's coming in u6, which isn't out yet
[06:30:36] <jafari> 10/08 right?
[06:31:03] <jbk> i need to reread the limitations on zones on zfs
[06:31:51] <McBofh> probably
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[06:40:14] <h3sp4wn> e^ipi: Well what is the purpose behind the releasing of the verilog for the opensparc stuff (or do you believe it without purpose ?) I presumed embedded
[06:42:02] <phrost> i read somewhere it was delayed till november
[06:42:17] <phrost> nevermind, mid october
[06:42:23] <McBofh> phrost: just because it's been delayed doesn't mean that it can't still be called 10/08
[06:43:05] <sstallion> bda: around?
[06:43:16] <McBofh> h3sp4wn: the purpose of releasing the verilog is to make sure that people can use it to learn about CPU architectures
[06:47:14] <sstallion> jbk: mind if I bounce something off of you ?
[06:47:15] <h3sp4wn> McBofh: Ah that is logical - they don't envisage anyone will start making chips based on it
[06:47:33] <tnelson> does *solaris have an equivalent of *bsd's `locate`?
[06:48:04] <jbk> sure
[06:48:22] <sstallion> jbk: okay, in the event that i am dealing with a legacy device, I don't have a link test bit I can check
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[06:48:50] <sstallion> so I'm tempted to just punt and set link_state to up when the m_start is called, and down when m_stop is called
[06:48:59] <sstallion> figure thats a little nicer than just reporting unknown
[06:49:22] <McBofh> h3sp4wn: apart from the universities which are teaching architecture based on it, and that mob in Italy which is actually building chips based on it....
[06:49:27] <jbk> hmm.. i think it'd be better to indicate that it can't tell
[06:49:43] <sstallion> jbk: you think ?
[06:49:48] <sstallion> I'm torn
[06:49:56] <sstallion> unknown annoys me, but its more accurate
[06:49:58] <McBofh> h3sp4wn: noting, of course, that there's a difference between having your own fab, and just getting access to $chip_megacorp's fab to build your designs
[06:50:18] <jbk> yeah, but better than possibly reporting possibly incorrect info
[06:50:30] <sstallion> the odds of someone actually *using* a legacy chip is pretty rare
[06:50:33] <sstallion> good point
[06:50:52] <sstallion> also, flowctrl is a single bit, so I assume that the device supports bi only
[06:51:05] <e^ipi> h3sp4wn: why would you presume that it'd be embedded?
[06:51:11] <jbk> probably
[06:51:12] <e^ipi> that's a silly thing to presume
[06:51:33] <McBofh> and rather limited in thinking, too
[06:51:34] <sstallion> well thats pretty easy then... i'll just spawn a cyclic portmon
[06:51:46] <e^ipi> they released it probably so that universities teaching an architecture class can have the source code for a modern chip
[06:51:49] * sstallion detests polling.
[06:52:08] <e^ipi> and added bonus, advertising for niagra
[06:52:15] <sstallion> especially since checking the link test bit requires holding a giant lock :/
[06:52:48] <sstallion> ... there are some companies (like fujitsu) who produce sparc chips... why wouldn't they release the vhdl ?
[06:53:12] <sstallion> jbk: thanks for the gut check :)
[06:53:20] <jbk> no problem
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[06:54:00] <McBofh> sstallion: as I understand it, it's up to each SPARC licensee to decide whether to release that sort of information
[06:55:00] <sstallion> McBofh: interesting
[06:55:37] * dclarke will ask one question and then run like hell
[06:55:39] <dclarke> what is the pkg to install on OpenSolaris such that it can actually be used as a developer station? ( note .. pkg search dev is useless )
[06:55:52] <e^ipi> ss-dev or gcc-dev
[06:56:06] <dclarke> funny that doesn't show up in pkg search
[06:56:09] <e^ipi> that should pull in the headers and linker/assembler and what have you
[06:56:13] <e^ipi> *shrug* file a bug
[06:57:02] <dclarke> pkg search ss-dev  reports nothing
[06:57:15] <sstallion> e^ipi: could you kick someone on website- or tools- to drop those hg repos I sent a message about the other day ?
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[06:59:38] <e^ipi> you assume that just because I'm on the tools and website team that I know anything about the tools and website team?
[06:59:49] * sstallion shrugs
[06:59:59] <sstallion> give me filesystem access and I'll take care of it myself :)
[07:00:06] <e^ipi> i don't even know who to begin to ask about that
[07:00:37] <sstallion> neither do I... no responses on website-discuss... tools- is next
[07:01:24] <sstallion> no worries... I need to head to bed
[07:01:25] <sstallion> nite all
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[07:51:02] <dclarke> am trying to file a bug .. can't login to the defect. thing .. can't remember password .. can't get a password reminder ... I give up
[07:51:19] <tnelson> So um, in FreeBSD, if I want to (re)start an optional package I've installed, like, say, samba, I'd do: /usr/local/etc/rc.d/samba restart
[07:51:42] <e^ipi> i guess
[07:51:43] <e^ipi> maybe
[07:51:44] <tnelson> How are you meant to start/stop services in Solaris that live under /etc/sfw
[07:51:45] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[07:51:57] <e^ipi> tnelson: do they have SMF manifests installed?
[07:51:58] <McBofh> tnelson: look at the output from "svcs -a"
[07:52:01] <e^ipi> if so, use svcs
[07:52:01] <tnelson> #nfi
[07:52:07] <dclarke> tnelson : do a serach with .. never mind ..
[07:52:16] <tnelson> ah
[07:52:21] <dclarke> svcs -xv
[07:52:23] <McBofh> that'll tell you whether they're actual services (eg    svc:/network/smb/client:default), or legacy
[07:52:24] <dclarke> svcs -av
[07:52:58] <tnelson> hm
[07:52:59] <McBofh> tnelson: I'm running snv_98, and I've got svc:/network/samba:default
[07:53:03] <dclarke> just don't be a jerk and try to trim down services to ofar .. like killing the console login .. that can be a real bugger
[07:53:13] <McBofh> so I could, if I wished, run   svcadm enable|disable|refresh samba
[07:53:13] <tnelson> yup, ditto.
[07:53:23] <tnelson> cool, thanks, that's what I was after.
[07:53:27] * tnelson commits to memory
[07:53:33] <McBofh> dclarke: I think we've both tried that once. And you only need to try it once :)
[07:53:51] <dclarke> McBofh: yeah .. followed rapidly by some swearing ..
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[07:54:03] <McBofh> *lots* of swearing
[07:54:18] <McBofh> and a quick <f1>a (I always boot with -k, so i can do that)
[07:54:51] <dclarke> oh well ... wiht x86 you're options can be limited
[07:55:12] <dclarke> I'm getting a core dump over and over and I don't know if this is file a bug moment or not
[07:55:21] <McBofh> dclarke: details
[07:55:31] <dclarke> anyone here with a compiler and a clue .. you can give it a whirl
[07:55:34] <dclarke> one sec
[07:55:50] * McBofh has a compiler..... clue could be off to the pub already though
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[07:56:13] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/7VQd0X12.html
[07:56:30] <dclarke> that thing just dumps core over and over regardless of compiler
[07:56:48] <dclarke> on OpenSolaris snv_98
[07:56:54] <dclarke> on s10u5 .. its fine
[07:57:23] <McBofh> dclarke: the compiler dumps core, or the compiled binary dumps core?
[07:57:31] <dclarke> the binary
[07:58:01] <McBofh> you compiled with -g, and have a stack trace?
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[07:58:06] <dclarke> I'm reading http://www.blastwave.org/man/coreadm_1M.html
[07:58:08] <dclarke> yes
[07:58:18] <McBofh> can you pastebin that too please?
[07:58:28] <dclarke> one sec
[07:58:38] <dclarke> do I have dbx on OpenSolaris ?  probably not
[07:58:48] <McBofh> if you've got SUNWspro installed, then you should
[07:59:31] <dclarke> no .. I don't
[07:59:36] <McBofh> bugger
[07:59:37] <dclarke> I have gcc-dev stuff
[07:59:37] <McBofh> that's annoying
[07:59:41] <McBofh> gah
[07:59:46] <dclarke> one sec
[07:59:51] <dclarke> good ol' mdb -k
[07:59:57] <steleman> cpc_data = cpc_open ( CPC_VER_CURRENT );
[08:00:02] <steleman> can cpc_data be NULL ? yes.
[08:00:13] <steleman> cpc_cciname(cpc_data));
[08:00:20] <steleman> can the pointer returned by cpc_cciname be NULL ? yes.
[08:00:24] <McBofh> dclarke: http://rafb.net/p/m5fIus64.html
[08:00:35] <McBofh> that's on snv_98
[08:00:42] <dclarke> works for you
[08:00:45] <dclarke> okay .. weird
[08:01:01] <dclarke> I went to Solaris 10 u5 and created an assembly listing
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[08:01:08] <dclarke> and then took that over to snv_98
[08:01:18] <seanmcg> tnelson, with regards the samba smf server, you may need to start the wins service too - that one starts the nmbd process
[08:01:21] <dclarke> I'll have a go at compiling that .. it may make no diff
[08:01:25] <McBofh> dclarke: can you try linking with -lumem as well please
[08:01:48] <McBofh> oh, and where's that stack trace?
[08:02:08] <dclarke> McBofh: cooking a new one for you
[08:02:11] <McBofh> ta
[08:02:45] <dclarke> I can do it on demand .. but I figured I'd get rid of one more variable by using the assembly listing produced by Studio 12 on S10u5
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[08:05:45] <dclarke> > ::stack
[08:05:47] <dclarke> mdb: command is not supported by current target
[08:05:48] <dclarke> wtf
[08:05:58] <dclarke> > $c
[08:05:59] <dclarke> mdb: command is not supported by current target
[08:06:09] <McBofh> mdb /tmp/cpc_test
[08:06:11] <McBofh> :r
[08:06:13] <McBofh> $C
[08:06:18] <McBofh> or   ::findstack
[08:06:37] <dclarke> Loading modules: [ libumem.so.1 libc.so.1 ld.so.1 ]
[08:06:51] <dclarke> 08047bdc libc.so.1`strlen+0x30(8050c0a, 8047c20, d1725790, 0)
[08:06:54] <dclarke> 08047c14 libc.so.1`printf+0xab(8050be4, 42c)
[08:06:59] <dclarke> 08047c38 main+0x4e(1, 8047c68, 8047c70)
[08:07:04] <dclarke> 08047c5c _start+0x5d(1, 8047d48, 0, 8047d4e, 8047d56, 8047d5d)
[08:07:37] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/7olicj69.html
[08:07:59] <dclarke> libc.so.1`syscall+0x13: movl   0x0(%esp),%edx
[08:08:03] <dclarke> nice
[08:08:07] <McBofh> cpc_cciname(cpc_data) is returning null for you
[08:08:28] <dclarke> which seems odd
[08:09:03] <McBofh> be a good time to re-write that a little
[08:09:04] <McBofh> gimme a sec
[08:09:40] <dclarke> it was just a quick hack to see if I could pull in some cpc data .. the cpc libs are not supported in Solaris Containers and I wanted to look at that
[08:09:53] <McBofh> oh, you're running it in a container?
[08:09:58] <dclarke> no no
[08:10:02] <dclarke> this is on real hardware
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[08:10:13] <dclarke> but in a container it dumps core .. as expected
[08:10:24] <dclarke> on real hardware .. it should not
[08:10:25] <McBofh> didn't dump core in my container just now....
[08:10:31] <dclarke> lovely
[08:10:34] <McBofh> what's your uname -a report?
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[08:11:02] <dclarke> SunOS aequitas 5.11 snv_98 i86pc i386 i86pc
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[08:11:42] <dclarke> I can boot a solaris8 brand and it dumps core there
[08:11:48] <dclarke> and that is "okay"
[08:11:59] <dclarke> but on real hardware .. it should just work
[08:12:08] <codestr0m> dclarke: want the sun cc mplayer patches for blastwave.. maybe you can make improvements for x86
[08:12:23] <McBofh> weird
[08:12:35] <dclarke> McBofh: yeah .. exactly
[08:13:02] <dclarke> codestr0m: hardly .. I'm heads down on a total new toolchain here
[08:13:29] <dclarke> codestr0m: once I get all that jazz done and looking really really fine .. then I'll go up to higher leve lapps
[08:14:34] <McBofh> dclarke: http://rafb.net/p/sWTKMv25.html
[08:14:51] <lesterc> ::arc in mdb gives arc_meta_max              =      2000 MB - does it means the arc cache_max is 2GB?
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[08:17:17] <dclarke> Error: Operation not applicable (89), cpc_data is null
[08:17:26] <dclarke> golly gee
[08:17:34] <dclarke> cpc_data is null
[08:18:08] <dclarke> I wonder what cpc_npic(3CPC) says about that
[08:18:51] <McBofh> dclarke: time for an email to opensolaris-code, methinks
[08:19:15] <dclarke> well ... let me nail it down
[08:19:18] <dclarke> if I can
[08:19:25] <dclarke> I hate being a whiner
[08:19:36] <dclarke> even worse .. a whiner without a clue
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[08:24:32] <dclarke> this is the sort of thing that bugs the hell out of me
[08:25:10] <McBofh> you've got confirmation from an independent course that there's weird stuff going on, just email the list and ask for suggestions
[08:25:31] <dclarke> yeah ....
[08:25:33] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/bwDsiw60.html
[08:25:35] <Stric> lesterc: I think it's that the metadata cache in arc has been at most 2000MB..
[08:25:39] <codestr0m> dclarke: by new toolchain..  is underneath going to be gcc or sun cc?
[08:25:52] <Stric> lesterc: arc_meta* is all about metadata (filenames etc)
[08:25:53] <dclarke> last thing to do is to change that so that it does not bail out if not NULL return there
[08:26:13] <dclarke> codestr0m: I use both .. but I'm working a gcc toolchian
[08:26:33] <dclarke> as much as I hate to admit it .. sooo many things just compile out of the box with gcc
[08:27:02] <dclarke> and that bugs the hell out of me too .. bcause soo many things just don't with Studio 12 and I catch stuff that gcc seems okay with
[08:27:10] <dclarke> which bugs me even more
[08:27:17] <McBofh> in my decidedly unhumble opinion, gcc's approach to code correctness is "hey, my panties are down come and have your way"
[08:27:23] <dclarke> in fact .. I spend a lot of time looking at stuff .. and really not feeling happy with it
[08:27:36] <dclarke> McBofh: yeah .. tat sums it up
[08:27:47] <codestr0m> dclarke: well. I'm finding more and more I like the sun cc and making code correct doesn't bug me
[08:27:48] <McBofh> it's friday arvo, I don't have to be polite any more
[08:27:54] <dclarke> which is why I use Studio 12 for a lot of stuff .. almost lal the time
[08:28:08] <dclarke> all the time
[08:28:10] <codestr0m> I've got a list of software I'm porting over to sun cc
[08:28:13] <Stric> McBofh: gcc has become better in that respect since 2.x which accepted just about anything
[08:28:17] <dclarke> but .. people want their GCC stuff too
[08:28:21] <dclarke> so I just do the work
[08:28:26] <codestr0m> my goal is full stack from multimedia to kernel all sun cc
[08:28:43] <dclarke> codestr0m: that would be *ideal*
[08:28:46] <codestr0m> I'll profile and tune the apps which may need extra work
[08:29:03] <codestr0m> dclarke: I don't like just settling and like minded people will 1) appreciate 2) possibly help
[08:29:12] <dclarke> I think someone around here that lurks in the dark .. did a TON of work with KDE4 to that effect
[08:29:37] <codestr0m> dclarke: who might that be?
[08:29:43] <dclarke> codestr0m: well ... I'm using Studio 12 at the mment for this cpc thing ..
[08:29:57] <dclarke> codestr0m: go find steleman .. he is a guru at such things
[08:30:02] <codestr0m> dclarke: SS12 to SS express.. I realized recently there's a difference
[08:30:12] <codestr0m> steleman: ping
[08:30:34] <dclarke> well .. I'm using SS12 to create the rassembly lisitng and then I take that to OpenSolaris snv_98 and I work on it there
[08:31:30] <codestr0m> well. I think SS12 has all the cool* tools which I'll end up needing to use
[08:31:54] <steleman> pong
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[08:40:39] <dclarke> guess you scared him away
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[08:49:31] <e^ipi> evidently set aclmode=discard... doesn't
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[09:25:11] <dclarke> anyone awake and has OpenSolaris snv_98 handy ( or similar ) and cpustat -h returns something else other than "cpustat: cannot access performance counters - Operation not applicable"
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[09:25:57] <codestr0m> dclarke: sorry only  snv_96  here
[09:26:04] <codestr0m> I'm avoiding an upgrade on purpose
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[09:26:16] <palowoda> snv_97 works with cpustat -h
[09:26:24] <dclarke> hummm .. thanks !
[09:26:24] <sartek> dclarke: same here
[09:26:32] <dclarke> okay .. we have data
[09:26:40] <dclarke> even on Solaris 8 it works
[09:26:40] <sartek> dclarke: the cannot access thingy i mean
[09:26:47] <dclarke> oh
[09:26:50] <dclarke> hold on
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[09:27:04] <dclarke> you mean you get "cpustat: cannot access performance counters - Operation not applicable"
[09:27:08] <sartek> dclarke: yes
[09:27:16] <dclarke> oh crap
[09:27:16] <sartek> dclarke: dbx works at you ?
[09:27:28] <dclarke> not here .. don't have it installed
[09:27:51] <dclarke> I have it on production boxes .. but not on OpenSolaris
[09:27:52] <sartek> ah ok
[09:28:39] <dclarke> I am thinking that cpustat is not working on OpenSolaris because .. of some closed binaries
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[09:28:55] <dclarke> some closed code is in the way I think .. what other answer can there be
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[09:29:29] <palowoda> I thought Intel was working on some cpc stuff lately.
[09:30:05] <palowoda> Oh wait your on amd.
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[09:30:12] <sartek> dclarke: you have a 97 BE ?
[09:30:35] <dclarke> snv_98
[09:30:59] <dclarke> SunOS aequitas 5.11 snv_98 i86pc i386 i86pc
[09:31:15] <sartek> yes.. you deleted the old ?
[09:31:27] <dclarke> yeah .. total wipe
[09:31:32] <dclarke> I stared over
[09:31:37] <dclarke> I started over
[09:36:38] <blahee> works (cpustat -h) aOK w/ snv_99 and Atom CPU (32bit and 64bit)
[09:37:19] <dclarke> blahee : is that SXCE ?
[09:37:29] <dclarke> blahee : or OpenSolaris ?
[09:38:54] <blahee> dclarke: SXCE (what else? :)
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[09:39:18] <palowoda> blahhee: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6729731
[09:39:30] <dclarke> okay .. so you may have access to the closed bits
[09:40:37] <dclarke> also .. it is perfectly possible that you were on OpenSolaris and simply compiled your own kernel
[09:41:26] <blahee> dclarke: anything is possible, but if i'd likethings like Windows/Ubuntu, i'd propably be running OpenSolaris
[09:42:07] <blahee> for me X has always been "a way to keep many ascii terminals open at same time" :)
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[09:43:26] <palowoda> I have to ask is the performance of running SXCE on an Intel Atom processor decent?
[09:44:32] <palowoda> I just want to pick up on one of the new dual core versions.
[09:45:29] <blahee> it's decent little CPU
[09:45:43] <blahee> you can think it as about 1Ghz PIII
[09:47:01] <palowoda> I've been running the latest builds of sxce on an AMD Geode processor which is at 800mhz but not impressed with the performance.  The newer dual core Atom seems like a better platform.
[09:47:05] <e^ipi> i'm about > < this close to making a cron job that fixes the permissions that CIFS fucks up
[09:48:03] <blahee> e^ipi: i wanted to ask you about one thing. You mentioned somethign about Atom-platform and some of those accepting up to 4GB mem? Which one?
[09:48:26] <e^ipi> i dunno
[09:48:38] <e^ipi> ncix had it
[09:51:04] <blahee> palowoda: this intel dual core Atom (mini-itx) finally seems to have Gbit NIC too, which makes it much more usable as "a little storage box"
[09:51:27] <blahee> e^ipi: ok.
[09:51:52] <e^ipi> murder... cifs... hate... hate...
[09:51:53] <palowoda> blahee: Ah, this one: http://www.mini-itx.com/reviews/atoms/default.asp?page=6
[09:51:57] <e^ipi> fuck apple.
[09:52:29] <blahee> palowoda: yeap. the xxx2 version. I do have 3 of those previous single core versions
[09:53:25] <blahee> tossing in a 24-port Areca hardware raid to empty PCI-slot would make it 20TB usable with 24x1TB drives as RAID6 :)
[09:53:37] <palowoda> blahee: So I assume your saying all the drivers work on that motherboard?
[09:54:41] <blahee> palowoda: the NIC fot single core started to work with some version later than snv_96. I am now running snv_99 and it's just working (had to fix the "missing font fixed" tho to get X up and running)
[09:55:26] <blahee> NIC for Acer Aspire One is working too, but X is not happy with this config. Claims not to find enought memory to start
[09:55:27] <palowoda> Cool, I don't care about the missing font problem.  Just the basics.
[09:55:43] <blahee> palowoda: yeap. It's working now
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[10:26:26] <wega3k> I have a zfs fs in my global zone which is loopback mounted into a non-global zone using lofs. If the readonly property of the zfs fs is set to off when the non-global zone is booted, I can write files to it from the non-global zone. If I then toggle the readonly property to on, as expected I can no longer write to it from the non-global zone, I can then toggle it back to off and I can write again. If howeever I set the readonly property to on *before* th
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[10:28:16] <kRutOn> hm, is there any way I can downgrade from the SXCE 99 xVM bits to the SXCE 98 bits? It seems there is a problem with xVM in 99
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[10:35:05] <e^ipi> it's typically very difficult to downgrade anything ever
[10:37:31] <kRutOn> heh
[10:37:52] <kRutOn> can I get the nightly BFU builds for b98 and do some pkgrm pkgadd stuff?
[10:38:40] <e^ipi> no, bfu just blasts crap all over your harddrive
[10:38:47] <e^ipi> usually breaks the package database while it does it
[10:39:10] <e^ipi> i'm telling you, no matter how you try, downgrading is going to be arduous and painful
[10:39:19] <e^ipi> better to just chill out a week and use the b100 stuff
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[10:41:25] <timsf> Bonus points to make BFU hack up a local pkg repository and then image-update off that :-)
[10:41:45] <timsf>  - I had that sorta kinda working, but I'm sure it's not The Right Solution...
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[11:24:37] <m0zzzy> hi
[11:25:01] <m0zzzy> is it possible to attach with debugger and change return value for particular call?
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[11:26:44] <dsop> is it just me or does life bookmarks not work on the default firefox installation on opensolaris?
[11:36:18] <xRaich[o]2x> dsop: they work fine here
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[11:51:48] <laga> that package manager is not exactly fast
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[11:52:27] <e^ipi> python.
[11:52:46] <e^ipi> also quite new
[11:52:56] <tomww> no excuses please :-)
[11:53:16] <e^ipi> *shrug* i had nothing to do with it
[11:53:23] <laga> hah
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[11:54:01] <tomww> not yet :-)
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[12:00:40] <tomww> I think there are many ppl being able to help improve the package manager, but most of them might have no spare time available
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[12:04:03] <palowoda> tomww: How do you measure the quanity of "many ppl" working on package management?
[12:04:52] <palowoda> Or "able" too.
[12:05:47] <oxygene> and what means "improve" - does that include creating packages?
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[12:13:59] <Yorlik> route delete default 192.168.0.1  of course removed the entry, but I want it not to reappear after a reboot
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[12:15:21] <CosmicDJ> IIRC you can set the default route in /etc/defaultrouter
[12:15:42] <palowoda> Speaking of which when does the CrossBow project get integrated into a SXCE release?
[12:17:14] <CosmicDJ> palowoda: when it's done ;) if you cant wait -> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/crossbow/handson/
[12:17:30] <oxygene> palowoda: just got a response on their discuss list, that they intend to provide BFU archives "in the next 2 weeks", and integration into the solaris gate "in the next couple of months" (solaris gate? opensolaris gate?)
[12:17:37] <Yorlik> CosmicDJ: /etc/defaultrouter only points to my external gateway, not to 192.168.0.1 - thats why I wonder wher to set this up for the internal network ...
[12:17:52] <oxygene> CosmicDJ: the snapshots are ancient, the iso is not available anymore..
[12:18:47] <CosmicDJ> oxygene: hm well, then xbow is dead *g*
[12:20:07] <CosmicDJ> http://blogs.sun.com/markusflierl/entry/successful_crossbow_beta_results
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[12:20:18] <CosmicDJ> this one is from Aug.
[12:20:54] <palowoda> It's Oct.
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[12:31:08] <oxygene> CosmicDJ: they're in code review right now
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[12:33:46] <sanzilla> sanzilla gives a fan to all , switch it on and be cool . :)
[12:34:03] * laga gets his nose stuck in the fan
[12:34:07] * seanmcg switchs off fan, too cold
[12:36:33] <Yorlik> Why ?????? http://pastebin.com/d3865c271
[12:36:41] <prepnotek> hmm
[12:37:19] <sanzilla> [03:43] <Yorlik> Why ?????? http://pastebin.com/d3865c271
[12:37:31] <Yorlik> Its a nameserver problem.
[12:37:45] <sanzilla> http://www.xaurora.net/uploads/xAurora2008-RC1-Final-Lite.zip just check out
[12:37:45] <Yorlik> bind9
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[12:49:15] <rocking777> hello room
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[12:49:26] <rocking777> nneed small help
[12:49:54] <rocking777> how can i find a string recursively in solaris as we do using grep in other unix flavour system
[12:50:05] <rocking777> but -r options seems to be not working in solaris box
[12:50:52] <oxygene> there's gnu grep under the name ggrep
[12:50:59] <oxygene> that one has the -r option (they invented it)
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[12:53:41] <prepnotek> how is the USB flash drive version of OpenSolaris
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[12:53:50] <prepnotek> i was looking to only use this storage array with ZFS
[12:54:09] <prepnotek> so all i would need is basic drivers for an opteron system and lsimega... and then ZFS
[12:54:30] <prepnotek> i don't like loosing 2 hdd's to the OS for a mirror
[12:54:49] <rocking777> oh ok
[12:54:51] <rocking777> so i should ggrep
[12:55:17] <prepnotek> or alias ggrep to grep
[12:55:32] <rocking777> thanks got it
[12:55:41] <rocking777> i have that installed in my system
[12:55:48] <rocking777> i just dont know that  i have to use ggrep :)
[12:59:30] <oxygene> I'd rather work on adding the -r option to solaris grep, than replacing it entirely with gnu's version. or do you know, what the gnu people are changing next?
[13:00:34] <codestr0m> oxygene: you want to add color to the solaris ls as well when you're in there?
[13:00:39] * codestr0m ducks and hides
[13:01:16] <Stric> why duck and hide? I actually find it useful.
[13:01:31] <wega3k>  I have a zfs fs in my global zone which is loopback mounted into a non-global zone using lofs. If the readonly property of the zfs fs is set to off when the non-global zone is booted, I can write files to it from the non-global zone. If I then toggle the readonly property to on, as expected I can no longer write to it from the non-global zone, I can then toggle it back to off and I can write again.
[13:01:40] <wega3k> If howeever I set the readonly property to on *before* the non-global zone boots, then toggle it to off, I still can't write to the filesystem from the non-global zone.
[13:01:47] <codestr0m> Stric: hehehe.. oh... if grumpy old sysadmins are awake.. they'll have an opinion about that
[13:01:59] <Stric> codestr0m: They don't have to use it if they don't want
[13:02:32] <codestr0m> Stric: I'd turn it on by *default* if it was up to me.. and I don't mean gnu ls, but adding color
[13:02:33] <wega3k> the lofs line in the output of mount of course always says read-write
[13:02:38] <codestr0m> ok. back to work
[13:02:48] <wega3k> any ideas what that happens?
[13:04:23] <prepnotek> is there a way to clone with ZFS to another solaris box ?
[13:04:40] <prepnotek> so i can have a hot-spare clone of all Data
[13:04:41] <seanmcg> zfs send/recieve
[13:04:49] <seanmcg> receive even
[13:04:50] <prepnotek> does that work over SSH ?
[13:04:54] <seanmcg> sure
[13:04:55] <wega3k> prepnotek: yes send /recieve
[13:05:03] <Stric> prepnotek: you want a realtime clone or periodic updates?
[13:05:09] <prepnotek> i prefer realtime
[13:05:18] <Stric> then you want some cluster thingie
[13:05:23] <prepnotek> does that clone snapshots as well ?
[13:05:36] <prepnotek> well i don't mind having to manually fail-over
[13:05:47] <prepnotek> i just want a live replica
[13:05:48] <prepnotek> or clone
[13:05:49] <Stric> it's still cluster thingie
[13:05:52] <oxygene> codestr0m: nope - I don't use ls colors, as I don't think it's useful
[13:06:08] <tomww> forgot the name, there's a low level replication layer available, this wuld operate below the zfs layers
[13:06:14] <tomww> *would
[13:06:16] <prepnotek> oxygene, its always nice to see green for things with chmod +x
[13:06:26] <_mary_kate_> you while, while i have no problem with ls supporting colours (even though i hate that and wouldn't use it), turning it on by default is pretty obnoxious
[13:06:27] <prepnotek> oxygene, blue for directories is nice too
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[13:06:47] <oxygene> codestr0m: but if someone implements it in a way that it doesn't create problems (eg. no colors on non-interactive output) and is off-by-default, I wouldn't mind
[13:07:00] <prepnotek> tomww, hmm is it a block level replication ?
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[13:07:03] <oxygene> prepnotek: ls -l gives me that information and more. it also works on _any_ terminal
[13:07:09] <prepnotek> ls -al
[13:07:12] <timsf> Yep, that's AVS you're talking about
[13:07:12] <_mary_kate_> tomww: AVS
[13:07:25] <prepnotek> was AVS to me ?
[13:07:25] <tomww> yes, AVS, thx!
[13:07:32] <timsf> http://blogs.sun.com/AVS/entry/avs_and_zfs_seamless
[13:07:32] <Stric> oxygene: reading the discs manually with a magnetic reader will give you the data too
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[13:07:58] <_mary_kate_> oxygene: ls -l is harder to read because you have to switch between the filename and type columns.  i use ls -F, which fixes that, but without being so much 'in your face' like colours are
[13:08:23] <prepnotek> are colours that bad ?
[13:08:25] <Stric> I think (as usual) we can come to the conclusion that people are different..
[13:08:27] <oxygene> Stric: as said, if added carefully, I wouldn't mind
[13:08:31] <prepnotek> i mean they are mostly green blue or white
[13:08:33] <prepnotek> like omfg wtf
[13:08:34] <oxygene> as long as I don't have to use it :)
[13:08:38] <codestr0m> Stric: see! this is why I was ducking and hiding
[13:08:40] <tomww> this channel is.... awesome
[13:08:43] <codestr0m> I knew this would happen
[13:08:57] <prepnotek> lol codestr0m
[13:09:14] <prepnotek> this is as bad as a distro war
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[13:09:28] <_mary_kate_> Stric: i'm just explaining why some people like colours ;)
[13:09:40] <oxygene> prepnotek: they're bad if your terminal mis-inteprets them (for comparison: press backspace on the solaris console without a fancy shell, and without fixing the escape sequences)
[13:09:43] * codestr0m still hiding
[13:09:54] <prepnotek> oxygene, ok
[13:10:06] <prepnotek> oxygene, i have been using /usr/bin/ksh93
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[13:15:20] <prepnotek> is AVS included with opensolaris ?
[13:15:43] <_mary_kate_> yes
[13:15:50] <_mary_kate_> (as of a few months ago, it used to be a separate product)
[13:15:55] <prepnotek> cool
[13:15:57] <prepnotek> well i am out
[13:16:00] <prepnotek> talk to everyone later
[13:16:04] <prepnotek> heading to work
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[13:45:56] <asyd> heya jbasse
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[14:14:06] <laga> this package update has been going on for hours. i wonder if i'm running out of memory.
[14:15:36] <Stric> check with prstat/vmstat
[14:16:14] <laga> as soon as the box is responsive again ;)
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[14:17:04] <laga> RSS: 355M
[14:17:08] <laga> yeah, that'd be it
[14:17:47] <laga> i think i gave the VM about 600M. i'll have to raise that
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[14:20:41] <laga> i'm glad ZFS is not written in python
[14:24:13] <sartek> lol
[14:25:21] <norman> python rocks :)
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[14:28:23] <laga> i have assigned 1200MB to the VM now. i hope that'll work
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[14:37:00] <masta> looks like Brian got drizzle to compile in nevada
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[14:42:52] <aruiz> have anyone tried to start sshd on a failsafe session?
[14:43:00] <aruiz> I get a PRNG error that I'm not sure how to solve
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[14:55:09] <sletz> hi, what kind of tool can be used to "scan" running process: see what thread are doinf and so on
[14:55:39] <seanmcg> dtrace, truss, dbx, mdb...
[14:55:45] <seanmcg> prstat
[14:56:29] <sletz> what is the "simplest" ??
[14:56:50] <seanmcg> depends what you want to look at
[14:56:58] <seanmcg> add apptrace
[14:57:03] <seanmcg> pmap
[14:57:08] <seanmcg> theres loads of tools
[14:57:12] <asyd> ls /proc ? :p
[14:57:14] * asyd hides
[14:58:17] <seanmcg> the hotuser script from the DTrace ToolKit is quite useful.
[14:58:20] <laga> okay, is it just the package manager GUI that's slow? is there a CLI variant?
[14:58:36] <seanmcg> the cli is just pkg
[14:58:59] <sletz> i want to see where a thread in a process in blocked on...
[14:59:50] <seanmcg> pstack too see the stack of threads from a process - from there you can tell where its blocked.
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[15:03:59] <sletz> seanmcg: thanks, pstack helped...
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[15:43:08] <gaojie> hi
[15:43:35] <gaojie> no one?
[15:44:02] <asyd> it's friday, we're drunking lot of beers
[15:44:36] <gaojie> i have a problem that my graphics doesn't run
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[15:47:41] <gobbler> does Sun support SSD disks?
[15:48:55] <ormandj_> http://www.sun.com/featured-articles/2008-0604/feature/index.jsp
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[15:49:02] <ormandj_> (that's for you gobbler)
[15:49:10] <Yorlik> I need to debug a named problem. I set options/debug_level=4  with svccfg, but don't get any additional info when it refuses to start. Is there any logfile somewhere it drops apart from the standard listed with svcs -xv ?
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[15:50:24] <gobbler> ormandj: cheers
[15:50:32] <jamesd> Yorlik, that is controlled by the individual application/service ... esiest just to start it manually so you have full control of how it starts.
[15:50:48] <Yorlik> named-checkconf -z /etc/named doesn't give me any erroros
[15:51:01] <Yorlik> jamesd: why not use smf ?
[15:51:29] <CosmicDJ> Yorlik: and named-checkzone?
[15:51:34] <Yorlik> Same
[15:52:27] <Yorlik> user and group are set to root:root, var/named is set to 755 and chowned accordingly.
[15:52:38] <jamesd> Yorlik, because i have found that smf does give you the ability to restart, and monitor it doesn't currently intergrate well with services, it may come but right now i find that smf does more to hide things than to help when debbugging with an issue, once it starts manally you can use smf for the test.
[15:52:42] <jamesd> er s/test/rest/
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[15:53:09] <Yorlik> I se .. I'll check.
[15:53:29] <tomww> you could start named with "-f" to get the errors to stdout/stderr on the console
[15:53:29] <jamesd> for example the "log" file is 99.99% of the time completely useless.
[15:53:45] <Yorlik> jamesd: Thats unfortunatel right
[15:53:59] <Yorlik> Starting named manuall does well ..
[15:53:59] <tomww> jamesd: in the default configurations, yes absolutely :)
[15:54:09] <Yorlik> I must have messed with some of the settings in svccfg ...
[15:54:32] <Yorlik> Is there a way to reset all props to defaults ?
[15:54:37] <tomww> you may delete the smf config and reimport the default manifest
[15:54:53] <jamesd> hopefully someone is going putback some changes to  make smf intergrate better with standard services,  dns, ftp, ntp no name a few.
[15:55:26] <jamesd> damm i need coffee...  can't type a single line without numerous typos
[15:58:28] <Yorlik> tomww: How do i do that ? Thats a new procedure to me.
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[16:05:34] <tomww> Yorlik: svccfg, then "delete network/dns/server"   (not testet, I don't have a system at hand to test that)
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[16:05:58] <Yorlik> Okay - I'll try .. then svccfg import ??
[16:06:40] <tomww> wat a minute
[16:07:16] <tomww> wait a minute, I'm looking first for the manifest to be imported. would not be smart to delete without some template to be imported later
[16:08:14] <tomww> cd /var/svc/manifest/network/dns ; svccfg import server.xml   # that should do it
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[16:12:51] <Yorlik> tomww:  Not its getting odd:  svcadm clear dns/server ; svcs -xv; # this tells me its still in maintenance; cat <logfile> # and this just tells its enabled ...
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[16:14:59] <Yorlik> tomww: http://pastebin.com/d6f994379
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[16:19:42] <sletz> does usleep works as expected? it seems to round to the next 10 ms value...
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[16:32:25] <montcalm> Couple questions:  When I'm installing sxce and choose to install to zfs, is it normal for the installer to take a long time after saying 'creating dumps vol'?
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[16:35:11] <montcalm> Couple questions:  When I'm installing sxce and choose to install to zfs, is it normal for the installer to take a long time after saying 'creating dumps vol'?
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[16:40:00] <Yorlik> It seems for some odd reason I cannot run named as another user . I created the user "named" for the daemon and set its primary group to "bin". /etc/named.conf is world readable (rw-r--r--). /var/named is recursively chowned named:bin. But when I try manually to run "named -u named" it doesn't start resp. insta-exits, while named as root runs well. What could be wrong ?
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[16:45:06] <CosmicDJ> Yorlik: dtruss/truss it
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[17:07:20] <Yorlik> CosmicDJ: I made two truss runs - one as root and one as named and made a diff ==> http://pastebin.com/d34e1cc2b   Any idea what might be wrong
[17:08:08] <Yorlik> It seem the last read fails.
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[17:13:03] <sletz> hum, seems usleep and nanosleep do not wait the wabted value... how can this be possible?
[17:14:12] <sstallion_work> sletz: did you read the man page ?
[17:14:29] <bda> It's probably a bug in libc.
[17:14:33] <bda> sstallion_work: What'd you need last night?
[17:14:46] * bda was hosting a dinner party, which turned into "let's play Rock Band 2 for three hours."
[17:14:46] <sstallion_work> bda: I have a driver bin I'd like you to fire up in parallels at some point :)
[17:14:50] <sstallion_work> haha
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[17:15:07] <bda> sstallion_work: Cool! Will Any Solaris Do?
[17:15:09] <sstallion_work> sletz: usleep may sleep more or less of the actual value
[17:15:18] <Gekz> wtf is Rock Band 2
[17:15:19] <sstallion_work> bda: it will require nevada
[17:15:57] <sstallion_work> actually, I only have a sparc build... I'll need to boot the opteron at home to get a working build for you later :)
[17:16:09] <bda> Gekz: A fun video game where up to four people play instruments to songs. It's like DDR, only you throw horns.
[17:16:24] <Gekz> right..
[17:16:28] <bda> sstallion_work: ah, word. Just let me know. :)
[17:16:33] <Gekz> my asian girlfriend has this DDR obsession
[17:16:33] <sstallion_work> sure thing
[17:16:36] <Gekz> she also believes in ghosts.
[17:16:37] <Gekz> I
[17:16:39] <Gekz> 'm leaving now
[17:16:55] <bda> sstallion_work: Which base build is required?
[17:16:58] <sstallion_work> if you have an onnv workspace, it would be cool if you built it and installed the package that way ... I've been needing someone to test out the Makefiles on intel
[17:17:08] <bda> I don't. :)
[17:17:12] <sstallion_work> doesnt really matter... anything at snv_78+
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[17:17:17] <bda> Word.
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[17:17:36] <sstallion_work> if you don't, dont worry about it
[17:17:40] <sstallion_work> its a PITA the first time you do it :)
[17:18:40] <bda> Yeah, that's why I never got around to it. :)
[17:18:58] <sstallion_work> its not that bad, it just has a few gotchas that arent immediately apparent
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[17:20:11] <sletz>  sstallion_work: well it rounds the value to the next 10 millisecond value...
[17:20:59] <bda> sstallion_work: Mostly it's a time constraint on my part. I also don't really have a use for keeping a workspace around, usually.
[17:21:24] <sstallion_work> bda: no worries. I need to get my intel stuff updated anyway - I need to finish up some nicdrv testing before gdamore beats me with a rubber hose ;)
[17:22:41] <sstallion_work> sletz: you could always ask the tools-discuss list. I suspect this is still in the acceptable range of what the man page suggests.
[17:23:21] <sletz> hum, so what would be a btter function for wainting in the usec range?
[17:23:53] <sletz> linux, osx dio the job, so it seems quite a strange bahaviour
[17:24:03] <Yorlik> Okay -- creating a little chroot environment finally made it possible to run named and unpriviledged user, since I could give it access to /var/run and other stuff.
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[17:30:00] <herch> Hello
[17:30:11] <herch> is caiman project making into Solaris 2008.11?
[17:30:28] <herch> I am looking for something like flash archive for OpenSolaris
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[17:32:47] <herch> So no support for flash archive in 2008.11?
[17:33:23] <herch> so is there alternative to that, I would like to replicate one installation on many servers
[17:33:54] <_mary_kate_> use solaris 10
[17:33:59] <trochej> herch: You install os2008 on servers?
[17:34:00] <trochej> Wow
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[17:34:34] <herch> I don't want to use Solaris 10
[17:34:50] <herch> At the max we may use SXDE
[17:35:02] <herch> but full root zfs support is what I am looking for
[17:35:09] <trochej> herch:
[17:35:13] <trochej> herch: Use SXCE
[17:35:13] <_mary_kate_> wait two weeks and use solaris 10
[17:35:15] <_mary_kate_> ;)
[17:35:18] <herch> but this flash archive thing is a show stopper
[17:35:23] <herch> :)
[17:35:25] <herch> ok
[17:35:28] <trochej> _mary_kate_: u6 will have zfs root?
[17:35:32] <Stric> trochej: yes
[17:35:35] <trochej> Wow
[17:35:35] <_mary_kate_> yes
[17:35:44] <trochej> I definately missed on things
[17:35:47] <Stric> but apparently not the jumpstart-flash-zfs combo
[17:36:00] <Stric> (but all other combos)
[17:36:09] <_mary_kate_> Stric: but you can install to zfs from flash with an interactive install, right?
[17:36:25] <Stric> no idea.. I just read something about it on zfs-discuss :)
[17:36:52] <herch> Then, is there any way I can generate a installable DVD of my Opensolaris image, with all its software?
[17:37:06] <herch> that should solve the problem of not having flash archive
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[17:38:36] <herch> In Solaris style I was thinking of making first flash archive for network install, and then covert it in installable DVD
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[17:38:56] <herch> but if I can directly generate DVD with my custom software, then it would be great
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[17:40:14] <Fullmoon> One of my customers demands his "tree" utility he is absoultely, 100% sure was in "his Solaris 9"
[17:40:38] <Fullmoon> Any Idea where I can fand this cr@p?
[17:40:44] <Stric> it's not.. but I grabbed it from debian ;)
[17:40:54] <trochej> :)
[17:41:00] <Stric> it has some issues with non-ascii, but it's quite handy
[17:41:41] <Stric> Fullmoon: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tree/tree_1.5.2.1.orig.tar.gz  for instance.
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[17:41:52] <Fullmoon> Ah, I see, I suppose it simply displays a tree of the CWD?
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[17:42:10] <Stric> find .   but in a tree form
[17:42:19] <asho> can anyone know how to use live CD
[17:42:20] <Stric> and various other options
[17:42:23] <Fullmoon> Stric: Great, Hope that will do it :) Still, I am not sure that is a reason to call at 7am
[17:42:35] <Fullmoon> WHERE IS MY TREE
[17:42:35] <asho> can anyone know how to use live CD
[17:42:40] <trochej> asho: I can
[17:42:42] <Stric> Fullmoon: nothing is reason enough to get up at 7am ;)
[17:42:47] <asho> sayy
[17:42:48] <trochej> I can has LiveCD
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[17:42:58] <asho> i am having cd
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[17:43:52] <herch> asho:put the cd in your cd-rom drive and make sure you boot using your drive
[17:44:00] <herch> google for booting from cdrom
[17:44:08] <trochej> asho: Put Cd in your CD-ROM, boot from it, wait, use
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[17:44:25] <asho> i want to install it in my computer
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[17:44:37] <asho> how to do this
[17:44:49] <herch> asho:boot with CD, and there will be one Icon
[17:44:50] <trochej> There is an icon Install,
[17:44:52] <herch> on your desktop
[17:45:04] <Stric> herch: two actually
[17:45:06] <trochej> asho: You can also fire up a terminal and pfexec gui-installer
[17:45:06] <asho> ok
[17:45:09] <herch> asho:have you installed ubuntu linux before?
[17:45:18] <herch> asho:then you will find it even simpler
[17:45:18] <asho> no
[17:45:35] <Stric> anyhow, click 'Install' and start reading on the screen
[17:45:37] <asho> how long it will
[17:45:45] <asho> ok thanks
[17:46:08] <asho> how long it will take
[17:46:28] <herch> asho:roughly 15 mins
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[17:46:33] <asho> weather opensolaris is better than windows
[17:46:36] <asho> ?????
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[17:46:42] <Stric> yes and no
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[17:46:46] <herch> asho:but make sure you carefully choose which partition you want to install onto
[17:46:54] <asho> ok
[17:46:59] <Stric> asho: is Volvo better than Mercedes?
[17:47:07] <asho> haha
[17:47:20] <asho> i am using windows for more than 3 years
[17:47:24] <Stric> they're better at different things
[17:47:28] <Stric> and they're different
[17:47:28] <herch> asho: you will like it if you are going to use
[17:47:38] <herch> asho: something like ZFS, Dtrace etc etc
[17:47:49] <asho> what r they
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[17:48:10] <herch> asho: frankly if you haven't hear of these words.. I would recommend Ubuntu Linux (sorry nothing against solaris here ;)
[17:48:48] <asho> ok, can i use some popular softwares like photoshop, flash, etc., in solaris
[17:49:00] <Stric> no
[17:49:04] <asho> yyy
[17:49:16] <Stric> Ask Adobe
[17:49:38] <herch> asho: I strongly recommend ubuntu for you
[17:49:38] <asho> ha, but what softwares can i use
[17:49:42] <Stric> they are the ones behind Photoshop etc.. and they haven't made a Solaris version
[17:49:52] <asho> ok
[17:49:59] <asho> i have ordered ubuntu
[17:50:03] <herch> asho:but one thing
[17:50:13] <herch> asho: just boot the CD, it wont harm your computer
[17:50:19] <asho> ok
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[17:50:22] <herch> asho: you never know may be you will love it ;)
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[17:50:42] <asho> ok, how will be the graphics
[17:51:06] <herch> asho: if you are using NVIDIA
[17:51:19] <asho> in windows
[17:51:25] <herch> asho: then the desktop is much better, by default opensolaris will come with 3D desktop
[17:51:38] <asho> oh nice
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[17:52:04] <asho> where can i downloads softwares which run in opensolaris
[17:52:24] <seanmcg> Photoshop did run on solaris..  once.
[17:52:28] <herch> asho:it has network based installation
[17:52:29] <asho> ok
[17:52:50] <aruiz> asho, it has a software package manager, you can get most of the stuff available through the tools already provided by the system
[17:52:58] <asho> online
[17:53:03] <e^ipi> seanmcg: now it's mac and windows only though
[17:53:03] <aruiz> yup
[17:53:09] <e^ipi> seanmcg: why is that, anyways?
[17:53:48] <herch> e^ipi: Adobe must not be ready to dedicate its engg. for Solaris
[17:53:51] <asho> antivirus is required
[17:53:57] <herch> e^ipi: thats my guess
[17:53:59] <seanmcg> why what, the port to solaris years ago ?  Cause then Sun (and SGI) were the workstation companys.
[17:54:03] <herch> asho: No
[17:54:19] <asho> no or no need
[17:54:20] <e^ipi> herch: well yeah, i get that...
[17:54:28] <herch> asho: No need
[17:54:54] <e^ipi> just seems to me it would make good business sense to at the very least have a linux port
[17:55:04] <asho> good, because viruses are created only for windows not for solaris
[17:55:15] <seanmcg> asho, thats wrong
[17:55:20] <asho> y
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[17:55:52] <seanmcg> viruses are created for any OS that has flaws that such a virus can take advantage of.
[17:56:17] <asho> then solaris has strong security crk
[17:56:22] <asho> crt
[17:56:22] <seanmcg> just because a virus for solaris hasen't been seen for a long time, doesn't mean one can make one.
[17:56:48] <herch> seanmcg: remember the recent telnet exploit for Solaris ;)
[17:56:49] <asho> i will mae
[17:56:53] <asho> make
[17:57:03] <herch> asho: good spirit :)
[17:57:16] <seanmcg> yes, solaris has stronger security, but windows was/is more abundant on desktops for example, allowing the viruii to propergate more.
[17:57:43] <herch> asho: where did you get hold of OpenSolaris CD?
[17:57:43] <seanmcg>   so if one wants to design a decent virus that spreads easily, which OS to take advantage of ?
[17:57:56] <Macabee> i ordered mine on opensolaris.com
[17:58:02] <asho> i too
[17:58:02] <Macabee> took about a week to come through
[17:58:12] <herch> asho: any perticular reason?
[17:58:13] <asho> ordered in opensolaris
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[17:58:26] <asho> for trying other OS
[17:58:32] <e^ipi> herch: who does'nt like free shit?
[17:58:32] <herch> asho: where did you hear about it first?
[17:58:33] <asho> i too ordered ubuntu
[17:58:46] <Macabee> i have a professional looking DVD of the OS
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[17:58:49] <asho> my friend
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[17:58:54] <Macabee> makes it look more real to other people
[17:59:01] <Macabee> sounds odd - but non-tech people like shiny discs
[17:59:16] <Macabee> rather than CD-Rs that have build numbers scrawled on them
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[17:59:25] <herch> Macabee: hmm interesting.. I
[17:59:43] <Macabee> plus a glass mastered disc just lasts longer
[18:00:11] <asho> how is ubuntu
[18:00:22] * laga just downloaded it and fired up the .iso in virtualbox ;)
[18:00:31] <herch> asho: #ubuntu would be a better place
[18:00:45] <asho> i have ordered
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[18:01:03] <Macabee> asking solaris users how ubuntu is and expecting a non-bias answer is like asking obama what he thinks of mccain
[18:01:09] <herch> asho: I meant ubuntu channel
[18:01:27] <herch> asho: this channel is about  opensolaris
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[18:02:06] <asho> channel
[18:02:14] <asho> i heared about OS
[18:03:11] <herch> Any ideas when u6 is coming out?
[18:03:31] <asho> i don't know
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[18:04:18] <herch> asho: thanks :) I don't know if I am feeding troll here
[18:04:57] <asho> thanks for ur help
[18:05:07] <asho> r u a solaris user
[18:06:15] <Aria> Nobody uses solaris. They just talk about it.
[18:07:02] <Macabee> herch: its sometime this month
[18:07:10] <Macabee> i haven' heard of a specific date
[18:07:15] <herch> asho: by user if you mean for servers, yes its 100% Solaris. for my laptop I use ubuntu
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[18:07:20] <Macabee> but there's loads of sun employees in here :)
[18:09:22] <Stric> herch: mid october
[18:09:39] <herch> Stric: based on which build? 97?
[18:09:58] <Stric> herch: no.
[18:10:02] <Stric> herch: based on Solaris 10
[18:10:16] <herch> Stric: I meant SXDE build
[18:10:29] <Stric> I'm still guessing at "no" ;)
[18:10:37] <herch> Stric: ok
[18:12:16] <herch> Stric: but this means no flash archive support for u6 :( since its ZFS root
[18:13:01] <herch> Stric: this is not good.
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[18:20:13] <Berny> hi folks
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[18:22:19] <Berny> any hint why staroffice9 won't display any fonts on snv99? neither the text in the menus nor in the document is visible. worked fine on snv95 and staroffice8 still works on snv99 though
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[18:51:14] <matsuura> Hey dudes
[18:51:52] <matsuura> Im thinking about throwing opensolaris on my laptop, BUT, I dont want/have the time for, a bunch of testing around, slamming my head against walls and stuff
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[18:52:05] <matsuura> is there support for well, specs on a vostro 1000
[18:52:06] <dclarke> the ndon't do it
[18:52:24] <matsuura> dclarke: yeah, ill get down to that if I can get some questions answered..
[18:52:31] <dclarke> it is very very good and I have had it for a while .. but if you are totally new .. .. then .. don't
[18:52:46] <matsuura> ...
[18:52:47] <aruiz> matsuura, why don't you try running it on VirtualBox for a while first?
[18:52:55] <dclarke> or VMware
[18:53:02] <dclarke> or some test box
[18:53:03] <matsuura> aruiz: I use opensolaris.. Im talking the hardware support
[18:53:04] <matsuura> :\
[18:53:19] <dclarke> hardware support ... you need to try the install to find out ..
[18:53:24] <dclarke> sound may or may not work ..
[18:53:31] <matsuura> yeah.... okay, so back to step one...
[18:53:32] <dclarke> what is on it now ? there is the SDDT
[18:53:45] <dclarke> SDDT = Sun Device Detection Tool
[18:53:48] <matsuura> A dell vostro, guess Ill go down a check list
[18:53:58] <matsuura> ich9, works nicely?
[18:53:59] <matsuura> :o
[18:54:08] <aruiz> most intel stuff should work
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[18:54:19] <matsuura> should, but _does_ it?
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[18:55:47] <dclarke> matsuura: see http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/?q=node/74
[18:55:56] <dclarke> matsuura: then go find the latest edition of that tool
[18:56:09] <dclarke> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/product_redirect.html
[18:56:14] <dclarke> that doesn't work
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[18:57:21] <dclarke> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.jsp
[18:57:34] <pjfloyd> I'm getting kernel panics when trying to lu from sxce 98 to 99
[18:57:52] * dclarke thinks "don't do that"
[18:58:02] <dclarke> matsuura: please goto https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=SDDT-2.1-G-F@CDS-CDS_SMI
[18:59:23] <dclarke> matsuura: find the thing named "Sun Device Detection Tool 2.1" and let Java Web Start execute the file sddtool_21.jnlp
[18:59:39] <dclarke> matsuura: it will tell you what drivers are needed and what you have etc etc
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[19:07:01] <CosmicDJ> or you just "come in and find out" :)
[19:07:14] <dclarke> yep ... dive in .. swim .. thrash
[19:07:45] <CosmicDJ> there's a livecd somewhere on opensolaris.org
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[19:08:58] <dclarke> to heck with that
[19:09:52] <dclarke> goto www.genunix.org or in China http://blastwave.unix-center.net/OpenSolaris or in Japan try http://dist.justplayer.com/OpenSolaris/
[19:10:03] <oxygene> huh?
[19:10:12] <dclarke> faster bandwidth
[19:10:17] <dclarke> he may be in China
[19:10:21] <dclarke> or Japan
[19:10:28] <oxygene> :)
[19:10:36] <dclarke> or in the USA .. just use www.genunix.org to get the live CD
[19:11:03] <dclarke> or here http://blastwave.network.com/OpenSolaris/update/
[19:11:21] <dclarke> none of those are listed as mirrors on the OpenSolaris download page of course
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[19:30:15] <Auralis> god damn, songbird is a pikle of crap, 14% cou on a dual core 3ghz and 300mb ram ...
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[19:55:51] <JDuke128> hi , i've tried to make ircd on Solaris Server.I've executed ./configure successfully but when i use make command  , i got this error
[19:55:52] <JDuke128> http://pastebin.com/d6301b080
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[19:56:28] <benley> JDuke128: "cannot execute" may indicate that the file ircd-patch is not set executable
[19:56:40] <benley> JDuke128: or that it has something in its shebang line that isn't a shell
[19:57:28] <benley> JDuke128: (like, if it has #!/usr/local/bin/perl and your perl lives somewhere else...)
[19:58:49] <JDuke128> so ?
[19:58:58] <JDuke128> i must do chown ?
[19:59:00] <JDuke128> chmod ?
[19:59:36] <CIA-25> Mark Logan <Mark.Logan at Sun dot COM>: 6753921 cw doesn't support the SS12 option "-features=zla"
[20:00:29] <Yorlik> Can anyone explain this ? It seems SMF is ignoring my user setting ..: http://pastebin.com/d5fa7fc18
[20:01:32] <Stric> or.. something is wrong with named
[20:01:40] <Stric> what does svcs -xv  say?
[20:01:56] <benley> JDuke128: chmod perhaps
[20:02:04] <JDuke128> ok i try
[20:02:05] <benley> JDuke128: ls -l ircd-patch, see what its permissions are set to
[20:02:06] <Yorlik> its enabled
[20:02:33] <benley> JDuke128: if it's already executable, run 'file ircd-patch' to see what kind of file it is
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[20:02:45] <Yorlik> Stric: I have no errors in svcs -xv
[20:02:46] <benley> JDuke128: if that tells you it's a script, look at its first line to see what shell it wants to use
[20:02:57] <JDuke128> yes man
[20:02:59] <JDuke128> it worked
[20:03:03] <JDuke128> thanks for help :D
[20:03:15] <JDuke128> chmod -R 777 ircu
[20:03:15] <Yorlik> Stric: named has no SUID bit btw
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[20:03:31] <JDuke128> 777 is danger ?
[20:03:32] <JDuke128> 755 ?
[20:03:39] <JDuke128> i should do 755 back ?
[20:04:36] <ottom> JDuke128: yes.
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[20:05:54] <benley> JDuke128: don't chmod 777 things, it makes them world-writable
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[20:05:59] <benley> JDuke128: 755 is more what you want
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[20:14:24] <Yorlik> It seems the start method for named in /lib/svc/method/dns-server does not start the server under the user which is supplied in the SMF props. I had to add an additional switch to the case statement there to get it done.Where can I report this bug ?
[20:15:09] <e^ipi> bugs.opensolaris.org
[20:15:25] <e^ipi> attach an hg changeset, and send an email to request-sponsor at opensolaris dot org
[20:15:40] <Yorlik> Thanks
[20:15:59] <e^ipi> blame company beurocracy or whatever you want, once you send it to r-s at os dot o i'll pick it up
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[20:16:54] <jbk> speaking of bugs.opensolaris.org, i never did find out what the bug# was for the one i submitted (and can't find it through a search)
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[20:33:46] <bda> hm.
[20:33:55] <bda> Apparently you can't change start/exec with svcprop.
[20:36:14] <seanmcg> change the manifest and import it ?
[20:36:52] <bda> Yes, that is just going to prove slightly annoying in this context.
[20:37:20] <bda> The tree where manifests and methods are stored moved, so I need to reimport everything before I can delete the old tree.
[20:37:28] <bda> Except svc name != manifest name in some cases.
[20:37:37] <bda> And not all services are on every node, so.
[20:37:54] <bda> Just vaguely annoying.
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[20:57:22] <teknoprep> hi all
[20:57:33] <teknoprep> how do i view a list of accessible scsi hdd's on solaris ?
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[20:59:02] <tsoome> man format:)
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[20:59:26] <nico> teknoprep: echo | format
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[21:05:36] <teknoprep> hey look at that
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[21:06:03] <teknoprep> how do i do that list that shows me all the drives for the ZFS layout
[21:06:05] <teknoprep> hd -c
[21:06:07] <teknoprep> or something
[21:06:42] <teknoprep> how do i format these disk' ? or set them up to be used with ZFS ?
[21:06:47] <teknoprep> any tuturial ?
[21:06:53] <e^ipi> man zfs.
[21:06:57] <e^ipi> man zpool
[21:07:37] <e^ipi> also google.
[21:07:50] <teknoprep> yup
[21:07:55] <teknoprep> zpool looks like what i want
[21:08:11] <teknoprep> can i add a mirror to an active root partition ?
[21:08:17] <e^ipi> google
[21:08:22] <teknoprep> heh ok
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[21:11:11] <sailorvrz_> whoa http://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtml quite a read
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[21:13:29] <teknoprep> hey e^ipi
[21:14:11] <teknoprep> zpool create tank mirror c1t0d0 c1t1d0
[21:14:15] <e^ipi> read the page
[21:14:25] <teknoprep> now if i did that would it scrap the information on c1t0d0 ?
[21:14:29] <teknoprep> i am reading
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[21:15:08] <e^ipi> if you give a disk to a filesystem, does it wipe out what was there before?
[21:15:12] <e^ipi> think about that one there
[21:15:54] <teknoprep> yes it does
[21:16:01] <teknoprep> but c1t0d0 is already ZFS
[21:16:19] <teknoprep> from the install.. i need to mirror that to another Drive..
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[21:16:39] <teknoprep> i see how to create a zpool for the raidz i want to setup for iscsi
[21:16:41] <teknoprep> thats easy
[21:16:46] <e^ipi> oh for f'cks sakes
[21:16:46] <e^ipi> here
[21:16:48] <e^ipi> http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html
[21:18:35] <teknoprep> well thats just how to doit
[21:18:45] <teknoprep> there is no real information on wtf i am doing
[21:19:33] <JDuke128> whats whoami on Solaris ?
[21:19:43] <JDuke128> i tried whoami
[21:19:46] <JDuke128> not workin
[21:20:07] <teknoprep> whoami worked for me
[21:20:13] <sstallion_work> JDuke128: whoami is available
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[21:20:30] <e^ipi> teknoprep: copying over the partition layout, and then mirroring the drive
[21:20:41] <JDuke128> bash-3.00$ whoami
[21:20:41] <JDuke128> bash: whoami: command not found
[21:20:43] <teknoprep> yeah i see that
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[21:22:41] <e^ipi> you don't have /usr/bin in your path?
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[21:33:32] <Yorlik> It seems SMF for named is severely bugged. When I specify a chroot directory and remove the original directory for named SMF exits with a " could not set context for method: chdir" error. manuall starting namedwith that chroot directory works fine.
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[21:35:09] <Yorlik> It appears SMF stillis glued to the named directory specified in the /etc/named.conf and not handles  the according directory in the chroot treei created andwhich works if I start namedmanualls.
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[21:35:45] <Yorlik> Has anyone here experience with running named as anonpriviledgeduserundera chroot directory ?
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[21:40:35] <teknoprep> i did... echo "nameserver 192.168.1.1" >> /etc/resolv.conf
[21:40:41] <teknoprep> and like i still don't have DNS
[21:40:51] <teknoprep> do i have to do something to make solaris see these changes ?
[21:40:54] <cypromis> cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswtch.conf
[21:41:01] <cypromis> nsswitch.conf
[21:41:02] <cypromis> sorry
[21:41:03] <cypromis> :)
[21:42:07] <teknoprep> nice ty
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[21:52:13] <teknoprep> what is the text web browser for solaris ?
[21:52:15] <teknoprep> like lynx
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[21:52:32] <oxygene> teknoprep: you can install lynx, if you want
[21:52:34] <ballChalk> that works..  i like links better
[21:53:41] <oxygene> or w3m. in my experience, each of them has different issues
[21:54:44] <teknoprep> hmm pkgadd doesn't work becuase i have no packages
[21:54:51] <teknoprep> to be added
[21:57:55] <Yorlik> teknoprep: links
[21:59:34] <CIA-25> Mark Johnson <Mark.Johnson at Sun dot COM>: 6699787 "Cannot load psm xpv_psm" message in /var/adm/messages after initial install of snv_88
[21:59:37] <CIA-25> Peter Shoults <Peter.Shoults at Sun dot COM>: 6754169 Memory leak in __pam_display_msg() where pam_response structure is not freed
[21:59:44] <tomww> teknoprep: there is SFElynx.spec and SFEelinks.spec (I prefer elinks) - but you have to compile it with the pkgbuild/pkgtools build tools
[22:00:53] <teknoprep> thats fine
[22:01:02] <teknoprep> i was only doing this so i could access my firewall from home
[22:01:09] <teknoprep> through ssh at work
[22:01:18] <teknoprep> but i will just add the rules when i get back home
[22:01:21] <teknoprep> that are needed
[22:03:53] <teknoprep> what is the SMB / CIFS server for ZFS
[22:04:02] <teknoprep> is it built into ZFS or is it an external application
[22:04:18] <teknoprep> also... how does it handle windows ACL's ?
[22:04:25] <teknoprep> or windows permissions
[22:04:33] <e^ipi> poorly?
[22:04:36] <teknoprep> and if that is too much.. whats it called so i can look it up
[22:04:38] <e^ipi> i dunno, it preserves them
[22:04:53] <e^ipi> i'd prefer that it obliterates them
[22:04:57] <teknoprep> are ACL's set by windows clients attached to the CIFS file server ?
[22:05:14] <e^ipi> yes
[22:05:22] <teknoprep> yeah i usually just do iscsi storage attached to a windows guest vm , then share it out from windows
[22:05:35] <teknoprep> but if i can take that layer out.. i might if the performance is there
[22:05:51] <e^ipi> seems to work here more or less
[22:05:55] <teknoprep> heh
[22:06:01] <e^ipi> i haven't tried AD voodoo yet though
[22:06:16] <teknoprep> oh there is an AD connector ?
[22:06:31] <e^ipi> read the docs.
[22:06:48] <teknoprep> for what ?
[22:06:52] <teknoprep> thats basicaly my question
[22:06:58] <teknoprep> i don't think solaris is using samba is it ?
[22:07:00] <e^ipi> CIFS
[22:07:10] <teknoprep> read the CIFS documentation eh ?
[22:07:15] <e^ipi> no, it's got an in-kernel cifs server
[22:07:15] <teknoprep> lol
[22:07:17] <e^ipi> not samba
[22:07:23] <e^ipi> read the link in /topic
[22:07:27] <e^ipi> go to it, and search
[22:07:32] <e^ipi> it's got information
[22:11:01] <teknoprep> ty
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[22:12:52] <teknoprep> zfs makes things really easy
[22:13:04] <e^ipi> yes, it does
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[22:13:50] <e^ipi> that's kinna the point, eh ? ;)
[22:13:55] <teknoprep> # zpool attach -f rpool c1t0d0s0 c1t1d0s0
[22:13:55] <teknoprep> cannot open '/dev/dsk/c1t1d0s0': I/O error
[22:14:00] <teknoprep> although i keep getting that problem
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[22:14:50] <e^ipi> you sure c1t1d0s0 is the right disk?
[22:15:48] <teknoprep> yup
[22:17:18] <seanmcg> solaris does have samba, but the in-kernsl CIFS server is more integrated with zfs and sharemgr and does windows ACLs
[22:17:42] <seanmcg> teknoprep, what does: prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c1t1d0s0 tell you ?
[22:18:01] <teknoprep> * Partition  Tag  Flags    Sector     Count    Sector  Mount Directory
[22:18:01] <teknoprep>        2      5    01          0 143588970 143588969
[22:18:43] <seanmcg> no slice 0, if you want to use the whole disk for zfs, just drop the 's0' part from cXtYdZsW
[22:18:57] <teknoprep> ahh
[22:20:14] <seanmcg> using whole disks is better, turns on any disk caching and makes it an EFI'd label disk
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[22:20:54] <teknoprep> my mirror looks like this now tho
[22:20:55] <teknoprep> c1t0d0s0  ONLINE       0     0     0
[22:20:55] <teknoprep>             c1t1d0    ONLINE       0     0     0
[22:20:55] <e^ipi> seanmcg: you can't boot off them though, and I was under the impression teknoprep was trying to mirror his boot disk
[22:21:07] <teknoprep> yup thats what i was doing
[22:21:08] <teknoprep> lol
[22:21:15] <e^ipi> yeah, so don't give it the whole disk
[22:21:17] <teknoprep> i guess i will remove that disk
[22:21:21] <e^ipi> i sent you a link
[22:21:23] <e^ipi> use it
[22:21:27] <teknoprep> i did use it e^ipi
[22:21:33] <teknoprep> and followed every instruction
[22:21:38] <teknoprep> getting errors
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[22:24:06] <seanmcg> oh..
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[22:24:08] <seanmcg> oops
[22:24:11] <teknoprep> lol
[22:24:15] <teknoprep> i have to wait for it to build
[22:24:20] <teknoprep> and then remove the full disk
[22:24:27] <teknoprep> unless there is a way to stop that and remove it now
[22:24:32] <seanmcg> use s2 then, though first you'll have to relabel the disks back to non-EFI
[22:24:46] <teknoprep> lol
[22:24:48] <teknoprep> eh ?
[22:25:13] <seanmcg> the c1t1d0 disk you added would have an EFI label on it.  can't boot with that.
[22:25:22] <teknoprep> o
[22:25:30] <teknoprep> so what do i do ? format it ?
[22:26:08] <teknoprep> i guess i could reinitialize it with the raid card
[22:26:10] <seanmcg> I think so, and perhaps fdisk.  This after you've removed it from the pool.  Though can one detach/break a mirror ?
[22:27:03] <teknoprep> could i add a different drive?
[22:27:07] <teknoprep> and then remove that one ?
[22:28:05] <seanmcg> I think you can replace the drive, ie. zpool replace <pool> <disk> <new disk>
[22:28:30] <masta> 6hi jarett
[22:28:34] <m0de3> hey
[22:29:22] <seanmcg> sorry teknoprep didn't know this was on a root pool you had
[22:29:31] <teknoprep> cannot replace c1t1d0 with c1t3d0s2: new device must be a single disk
[22:29:44] <teknoprep> lol i am fubar
[22:31:45] <teknoprep> heh i guess i'l reinstall
[22:31:50] <teknoprep> if its this much of a hassle
[22:31:52] <teknoprep> wow
[22:35:02] <seanmcg> teknoprep, have a look at this thread for a possible fix: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=70078
[22:36:42] <seanmcg> wonder if its worth logging an RFE to stop zpool adding EFI'd disks to root pools.
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[22:37:19] <teknoprep> lol
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[22:37:26] <teknoprep> welp
[22:37:31] <teknoprep> no big deal
[22:37:34] <teknoprep> i will just reinstal
[22:37:43] <teknoprep> this box has nothing on it anyway
[22:38:13] <teknoprep> is it easy to recover ZFS pools if the OS crashes ?
[22:38:27] <teknoprep> can i - reinstall - bring up the ZFS pools
[22:38:36] <teknoprep> should it be that easy ?
[22:38:54] <seanmcg> if the pool is mirrored or raidz then zfs should survive :)
[22:39:06] <teknoprep> yeah raidz will be my data pool
[22:39:18] <teknoprep> should i setup a new pool for my raidz instead of using rpool
[22:39:37] <teknoprep> its 12hdd's 2 for OS and 10 for data...
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[22:42:31] <teknoprep> wowzers zfs and zpool are really easy to use
[22:42:33] <teknoprep> i like it
[22:43:59] <sstallion_work> teknoprep: raid10 will give better performance/redundancy
[22:44:14] <sstallion_work> (at the cost of capacity)
[22:44:21] <teknoprep> over raid-z ?
[22:44:25] <kRutOn> Is there any way to have a zvol be returned to sparseness?
[22:44:48] <sstallion_work> teknoprep: well yeah... read up on raid 10 (aka 1+0)
[22:44:53] <teknoprep> i know what raid 10 is
[22:45:06] <teknoprep> and i read up on zfs raid-z
[22:45:11] <sstallion_work> then that was a silly question
[22:45:13] <teknoprep> and raid-z is supposed to be great
[22:45:33] <teknoprep> well on a 10 disk array you only gain the performance of a 5 disk stripe
[22:45:36] <teknoprep> inside of raid 10
[22:45:50] <sstallion_work> assuming thats how you chop up your data set
[22:46:04] <teknoprep> on raid-z with 10 hdd's you gain the performance of 9 HDD's with parity
[22:46:22] <sstallion_work> on 10 disks, with single mirrors, you can sustain up to 5 disk failures within the stripe
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[22:46:31] <sstallion_work> eh
[22:46:32] <teknoprep> yes i understand that
[22:46:41] <sstallion_work> raid5 is significantly slower than 10
[22:46:47] <teknoprep> raid-z is not raid5r
[22:46:48] <teknoprep> raid-z is not raid5
[22:46:54] * sstallion_work sighs.
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[22:47:21] <sstallion_work> raidz is similar to raid 5 in that parity is shared between disks at variable stripe widths
[22:47:25] <teknoprep> well from what sun says... raidz works like raid-5 but without the performance hit
[22:47:37] <sstallion_work> which means to read any given block, you must read the entire stripe
[22:47:47] <kRutOn> teknoprep: RAID-Z is more similar to RAID-3
[22:47:59] <kRutOn> teknoprep: And appears to have similar performance characteristics
[22:49:16] <teknoprep> i was under the impression that raid-z was the shit..
[22:49:23] <teknoprep> with a lack for better words
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[22:51:28] <teknoprep> so
[22:51:38] <teknoprep> how do i do raid-10 with zpool
[22:51:48] <e^ipi> with mirrors and stripes
[22:51:53] <teknoprep> thats what i thought
[22:52:04] <teknoprep> pretty large loss of space
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[22:52:37] <e^ipi> o_O
[22:56:01] * e^ipi wonders if he knows what a raid-10 is
[22:56:09] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: have you tried using transitive for acrobat ?
[22:56:28] <e^ipi> nope
[22:56:53] <sstallion_work> meh I'll give it a shot
[22:56:56] <e^ipi> i don't really use the official adobe reader
[22:57:00] <sstallion_work> evince has pissed me off for the last time
[22:57:07] <e^ipi> fair enough
[22:57:21] <sstallion_work> 400 page specs don't do well with evince
[22:59:35] <CIA-25> Mark Haywood <Mark.Haywood at Sun dot COM>: 6751106 SpeedStep P-state transitions spend too much time in drv_usecwait()
[23:00:13] <_mary_kate_> something designed to make your cpu slower is too slow?  huh ;)
[23:00:49] <e^ipi> heh
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[23:01:15] <oxygene> opensolaris - makes your cpu sleep even faster ;)
[23:01:15] <codestr0m> hahaah. how ironic
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[23:08:41] <mastaofdisasta> anyone familiar with sun ONE webserver 6.1?
[23:11:51] <h3sp4wn> sstallion_work: transistive works pretty well for acrobat
[23:12:41] <sstallion_work> h3sp4wn: cool. waiting on a registration email - should run relatively well on my ultra 24
[23:13:20] <h3sp4wn> sstallion_work: The annoying thing is (if you are on SXCE anyway) for me the fonts are not fscked up
[23:13:45] <seanmcg> 6.1 mastaofdisasta ?   kinda old..
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[23:15:12] <sstallion_work> h3sp4wn: ahh figures :)
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[23:15:36] <h3sp4wn> (If I didn't use transistive then I would probably have forgotten about that they were really nice when I first started using SXCE)
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[23:17:34] <mastaofdisasta> seanmcg: yea but it's what my client has. we want to send a set-cookie value, this can easily be done with mod_rewrite .htaccess on apache.
[23:18:05] <mastaofdisasta> I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to do it on sun one 6.1
[23:18:15] <mastaofdisasta> or 7.0
[23:18:28] <mastaofdisasta> it's probably similar
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[23:18:47] <teknoprep> hi all
[23:18:50] <teknoprep> how do i delete a pool ?
[23:18:53] <teknoprep> the entire pool
[23:19:14] <teknoprep> nvm its destroy
[23:19:36] <teknoprep> now how do i destroy a mirror ?
[23:19:48] <teknoprep> but keep one of the disks inside the pool.. just not part of a mirror
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[23:20:05] <tomww> you mean destroy = detach the second(/third) mirrordisk=
[23:20:54] <tomww> zpool detach poolname <devicename_to_be_removed>
[23:21:11] <teknoprep> ty so much
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[23:24:05] <teknoprep> holy shyte balls
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[23:24:10] <teknoprep> tomww ty for the help
[23:24:20] <teknoprep> that pretty much made this so much easier
[23:24:45] <teknoprep> i really apreciate that ... you know how it is when that first thing makes your realize how things work ... well that was it.. thanks again
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[23:28:57] <seanmcg> mastaofdisasta, sorry, don't know much of that side of the webserver..
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[23:45:36] <tomww> teknoprep: :-)
[23:45:49] <teknoprep> hey do i have to use iscsitadm to setup a target
[23:45:52] <teknoprep> or can ZFS do this for me /
[23:47:01] <tomww> teknoprep: probably not every piece may be set by zfs, the initial work might still be a task for iscsitadm
[23:47:21] <tomww> the thousands of blogs might give the right hints
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[23:56:24] <_mary_kate_> teknoprep: you can use the shareiscsi property
[23:56:35] <teknoprep> yup
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[23:56:44] <teknoprep> i was looking at that
[23:56:50] <teknoprep> but does that actually share it out ?
[23:58:44] <the_unmaker> ok d00ds
[23:58:49] <the_unmaker> why opensolaris?
[23:58:55] <the_unmaker> over say archlinux, a good linux
[23:59:04] <the_unmaker> Ive heard multicore speed
[23:59:25] <the_unmaker> but my co owrkere said LVM +reiser is ok on linux side for filesystem v zfs
[23:59:42] <_mary_kate_> instead of listening to us or your coworker, why not just try it yourself?
[23:59:51] <teknoprep> LVM + xfs is ok.. reiser sucks





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