October 1, 2008 
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October 1, 2008 [00:00:55] *** mikl has quit IRC [00:01:15] <rutski> hitting CTRL+ALT+F{1-6} on my linux machines gives me consoles [00:01:20] <rutski> on solaris this doesn't seem to work [00:01:35] <sstallion_work> rutski: no virtual console support [00:01:39] <sstallion_work> look at the device drivers community page [00:01:56] <rutski> is there a way to get at least one console when you're in X? [00:02:05] <rutski> oh, right; kill X? [00:02:05] <sstallion_work> sure [00:02:06] <sstallion_work> xterm [00:02:07] <oxygene> rutski: virtual consoles are added to release 100 [00:02:21] <rutski> I'm on the gdm login page though, (and I can't get in) [00:02:30] <sstallion_work> ahh [00:02:36] <sstallion_work> well, if you were using dtlogin it wouldnt be an issue [00:02:49] <sstallion_work> dtlogin may look clunky, but it still beats the hell out of gdm [00:02:51] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [00:02:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [00:02:59] <sstallion_work> no offense Gman ;) [00:03:06] <rutski> ah, I see; I'll look into it if gdm ever bugs me [00:03:10] <rutski> (again) [00:03:16] <sstallion_work> rutski: not if you are on indiana [00:03:24] <Gman> sstallion_work: hrm? [00:03:42] <rutski> sstallion_work: can't really say I know what indiana is :( [00:03:52] <sstallion_work> Gman: just espousing the merits of dtlogin over gdm :) [00:03:52] <rutski> I just know it's a Solaris related project name [00:04:01] <sstallion_work> rutski: you have it installed. [00:04:08] <Gman> indiana = codename for the thing you download from opensolaris.com [00:04:15] <rutski> ah [00:04:15] <alanc> oxygene: vt's in build 100 are text console mode only, X support comes a few builds later in the second phase of their project integration [00:04:28] <oxygene> alanc: ah, okay [00:04:41] <sstallion_work> alanc: are they going to do the same thing the bsd's and linux did? (pick a vt and dedicate it) [00:04:43] <alanc> (project team only wanted to change one multi-million line code base at a time) [00:04:44] <e^ipi> curiously, integrates the same time as screen [00:04:59] <e^ipi> (i think they should've just integrated screen ... would've been faster ) [00:05:19] <oxygene> alanc: hmm.. same hack as on linux, or will mode switching be moved to kernel? [00:05:19] <sstallion_work> screen doesnt really help the text v.s. X issue though [00:05:21] <alanc> sstallion_work: I don't remember [00:06:17] <alanc> oxygene: for now, similar to Linux on x86 - mode switching in the kernel would delay the project another couple of years writing 30 new kernel graphics drivers [00:06:37] <alanc> on SPARC they use the existing kernel fb drivers, so I assume that's kernel mode switching [00:06:42] <rutski> sstallion_work: does solaris have chroot? Could I boot with media and change the root password that way? [00:07:00] <oxygene> rutski: yes, or by editing /etc/passwd by hand [00:07:16] <rutski> oxygene: yea, I was just hoping not to have to [00:07:42] *** jbasse has quit IRC [00:07:43] <alanc> /etc/shadow probably [00:08:46] <alanc> we'll probably get some x86 drivers doing in kernel mode switching as we pick up the DRI updates that add that [00:09:27] <oxygene> oh, right.. [00:09:44] <oxygene> so after 10 years the linux devs finally stop sabotaging the unix desktop, yay :) [00:10:06] *** tomww has joined #opensolaris [00:10:33] *** erast has joined #opensolaris [00:10:36] <alanc> yeah, but they're writing all our x86 graphics drivers for us, so we can't complain too loudly, as its better than having no graphics drivers [00:11:30] <Doc> linux rox! didn't you know that? [00:11:38] <Doc> i read it in the NY times!! (or whatever paper it was) [00:12:36] <McBofh> Doc: unless you saw it on Fox News, it's untruthiness incarnate [00:12:48] <e^ipi> yeah, solaris is totally dead [00:12:57] <e^ipi> we should just close up shop and go home [00:13:02] *** tomww has joined #opensolaris [00:13:16] <Doc> mcbofh: I saw a bumper sticker once "Is that the Truth, or did you read it in the Telegraph" [00:13:32] <McBofh> I saw that too [00:13:37] <McBofh> I want one! [00:14:12] <Doc> interesting... were you at pearsons corner when you saw it? it might have been the same car! [00:15:06] <McBofh> can't remember where I saw it, sorry [00:15:46] <Doc> pity. i was actually working on the possible presumption that i was actually you in disguise... [00:16:08] <McBofh> heh [00:18:14] *** lucianno has left #opensolaris [00:18:57] *** coffman has quit IRC [00:22:16] *** houst0n-_ has joined #opensolaris [00:22:21] *** houst0n- has quit IRC [00:24:57] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC [00:25:05] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris [00:25:52] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [00:26:28] *** cypromis has quit IRC [00:32:56] *** Aria has quit IRC [00:33:42] *** farsan has quit IRC [00:35:07] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [00:35:14] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [00:39:02] *** ottom has joined #opensolaris [00:40:31] *** cchapman has joined #opensolaris [00:43:36] *** cchapman has quit IRC [00:43:57] *** cchapman has joined #opensolaris [00:45:16] *** DottorZero has joined #opensolaris [00:45:31] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC [00:49:59] *** jamesd has quit IRC [00:52:16] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris [00:54:11] *** Suprano has quit IRC [00:54:30] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [00:54:48] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [00:55:49] *** _teo_ has quit IRC [00:56:22] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [00:58:30] *** farsan has joined #opensolaris [00:59:18] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [01:06:24] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [01:12:46] *** sailorvrz_ has quit IRC [01:12:48] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [01:12:54] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [01:12:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [01:13:10] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU [01:13:25] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [01:15:57] <cchapman> has anyone hear installed drupal on opensolaris/solaris/SXCE? [01:16:24] *** inbigtrouble has joined #opensolaris [01:16:28] <inbigtrouble> hi guys [01:17:06] <inbigtrouble> I was sent here from another irc server - they told me I might get some help in here [01:17:31] <inbigtrouble> I have some zfs problems [01:17:35] <McBofh> inbigtrouble: just tell us [01:17:38] <McBofh> don't keep us hanging [01:17:48] <inbigtrouble> ok here's the lowdown [01:17:51] <McBofh> and especially don't ask if you can ask a question :) [01:18:02] <inbigtrouble> yeah i try not to :-) [01:18:13] <inbigtrouble> I built a zpool on opensolaris [01:18:21] <inbigtrouble> raidz [01:18:33] <inbigtrouble> figured I should be safe unless 2 drives faiol [01:18:58] <inbigtrouble> and guess what, it failed spectacularly on me with corrupt metadata [01:19:06] <McBofh> ouch [01:19:15] *** mega_ has joined #opensolaris [01:19:20] <inbigtrouble> the message sent me to http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-72 [01:19:38] *** yippi has quit IRC [01:19:39] <inbigtrouble> that was my thought as well (except I expressed it a lot less politely) [01:19:59] <inbigtrouble> now this IS a raidz [01:20:01] <inbigtrouble> pool [01:20:06] <_mary_kate_> is the release date for U6 still mid-october? [01:20:07] <inbigtrouble> and the disks are ok [01:20:19] <inbigtrouble> its the pool that is ^%^%*%*%^&%& [01:20:39] <inbigtrouble> how can a raidz pool fail and not be recoverable [01:20:42] <McBofh> inbigtrouble: can you pastebin the pool config (zpool status -x) and output from fmadm faulty please? [01:20:54] <inbigtrouble> well... [01:21:02] <inbigtrouble> not really [01:21:05] <inbigtrouble> I exported it [01:21:10] <inbigtrouble> and then tried to reimport [01:21:14] *** storycrafter has quit IRC [01:21:16] <inbigtrouble> and the import failed as well [01:21:23] <_mary_kate_> show the output of 'zpool import' [01:21:28] <inbigtrouble> now it would not even reimport [01:21:38] <inbigtrouble> ok give me a few minutes [01:22:06] <inbigtrouble> but the message tells me essentially the same thing - corrupt metadata [01:22:17] <inbigtrouble> but let me reboot the thing [01:22:56] <inbigtrouble> ok it says: [01:23:06] <inbigtrouble> pool: ztank [01:23:14] <inbigtrouble> id: some numbers [01:23:19] <inbigtrouble> state: FAULTED [01:23:29] <inbigtrouble> status: The pool metadata is corrupted [01:23:48] *** asarch has quit IRC [01:23:50] *** erast has quit IRC [01:23:54] <inbigtrouble> action: the pool cannot be imported due to damaged devices or data [01:24:20] <inbigtrouble> The pool may be active on another system, but can be imported using the -f flag [01:24:23] *** bhall has quit IRC [01:24:41] <inbigtrouble> see http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-72 [01:25:01] <inbigtrouble> config: [01:25:10] <inbigtrouble> ztank FAULTED corrupted data [01:25:16] <inbigtrouble> raidz1 ONLINE [01:25:27] <inbigtrouble> c1t1d0 ONLINE [01:25:37] <inbigtrouble> etc till the 6th disk [01:25:38] *** bhall has joined #opensolaris [01:25:47] <inbigtrouble> c1t6d0 ONLINE [01:26:13] <inbigtrouble> so all disks are online, the raidz1 is online [01:26:20] <inbigtrouble> but the pool is faulted [01:26:44] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [01:27:38] <inbigtrouble> any hope? [01:29:30] <inbigtrouble> fmadm faulty gives me nothing [01:34:19] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [01:34:22] *** mega_ has quit IRC [01:34:53] <inbigtrouble> any ideas? is it maybe possible to recover the metadata from some spare copy\/ [01:36:24] <inbigtrouble> bottom line I am in a bad shape [01:45:55] <inbigtrouble> ? [01:46:12] *** orinoko has joined #opensolaris [01:46:54] *** bhall has quit IRC [01:47:28] *** orinoko has left #opensolaris [01:48:27] *** bhall has joined #opensolaris [01:50:03] *** SpyKee has quit IRC [01:54:02] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris [01:54:17] *** orinoko has joined #opensolaris [01:55:49] <inbigtrouble> any ideas on what I might do? [01:55:56] <inbigtrouble> or whom I moght talk to [01:55:59] <inbigtrouble> might [01:58:17] <TomJ> _mary_kate_: yes [01:58:34] <_mary_kate_> hmm [01:58:44] <_mary_kate_> wondering if it's worth upgrading this box to U5, or just patching it and waiting [01:59:26] <inbigtrouble> <looks like I am getting the silent treatment> :-( I know I screwed up by not backing up [01:59:41] <_mary_kate_> inbigtrouble: i'm sure if someone knew, they'd answer [01:59:45] <_mary_kate_> but i suspect you can't restore it [02:00:14] <inbigtrouble> even if it is a raidz? [02:00:25] <inbigtrouble> because it is raidz1 [02:00:28] <_mary_kate_> somehow, the data on all drives is broken [02:01:06] <inbigtrouble> but why does it say that all disks and the raidz are online [02:01:12] <inbigtrouble> makes no sense to me [02:01:58] <TomJ> us neither [02:02:00] <_mary_kate_> because it can open the disks and read the data from them, the data is just wrong [02:02:02] <TomJ> post it on forums.sun.com [02:02:34] <inbigtrouble> ok thanks a lot! heading to forums ! [02:02:36] <TomJ> it's probably gone but maybe there's some method or something to try [02:03:01] <inbigtrouble> I wonder if it would be worth trying to reorder the disks [02:03:06] <inbigtrouble> physically [02:03:16] <TomJ> can't see how that would help, unless you suspect they're not in the order they were originally [02:03:51] <inbigtrouble> they are but maybe (speaking totally hypothetically) zfs tries to read the tank config off the 1st disk [02:04:05] <inbigtrouble> cannot believe they ALL failed [02:04:10] <inbigtrouble> simultaneously [02:04:20] <_mary_kate_> it could be a controller failure [02:04:43] <inbigtrouble> hmmm [02:05:02] *** erast has joined #opensolaris [02:05:50] <inbigtrouble> could be - but the m/b is new-ish [02:06:48] <inbigtrouble> anyway I am heading to forums - thanks a lot guys/gals [02:07:10] *** Gman has quit IRC [02:07:47] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [02:08:17] <orinoko> anyone know where i can find doco about getting my wireless connection to persist across reboots in nevada b98? been using dladm and ifconfig to use dhcp thus far in an attempt to avoid nwam [02:08:42] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [02:08:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o e^ipi [02:10:18] *** orinoko has left #opensolaris [02:11:01] *** lucianno has joined #opensolaris [02:11:42] *** lucianno has left #opensolaris [02:13:04] <_mary_kate_> hmm, this system defaults to a tcp window size of 256 bytes. that seems a little small [02:13:17] *** orinoko has joined #opensolaris [02:14:31] <e^ipi> there a way to get the messages that OBP dumped to console ( aside from 'attach to console' ) on a sparc [02:14:49] <e^ipi> i've got 2 cpu's in my blade1000, they both ostensibly work, but only one is being detected/used [02:14:53] <_mary_kate_> spend $10 on a console server? [02:14:58] <e^ipi> :P [02:21:16] <sstallion> e^ipi: what does psrinfo show ? [02:21:30] <e^ipi> only the one [02:21:42] <sstallion> odd [02:21:45] <e^ipi> yeah [02:21:56] <e^ipi> the device list in OBP only shows one too [02:21:57] <sstallion> we have an old e450 at the office that does the same thing on socket 3 [02:22:06] <e^ipi> bizzare [02:22:17] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: yet if you swap the CPUs, the other one works fine as well? [02:22:22] <e^ipi> yep [02:22:27] <e^ipi> fmdump is clear [02:22:29] <e^ipi> the whole bit [02:24:11] <sstallion> e^ipi: any chance you have a LOM ? [02:24:40] <e^ipi> it's a blade1k [02:24:41] <e^ipi> nil. [02:25:57] <ottom> what does 'eeprom boot-ncpus' say? [02:28:47] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris [02:29:24] *** DottorZero has quit IRC [02:29:36] *** DottorZero has joined #opensolaris [02:29:51] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC [02:33:03] <victori_> is there any way to update zones? [02:33:06] *** stevel has quit IRC [02:33:30] <e^ipi> ottom: 1 sec, I decided to yank & re-torque the CPU's, now it's gotta boot [02:34:10] <ottom> no problem; it's a shot in the dark anyway [02:36:44] <jv_> i could go and fire up my blade1000 if you wish to compare eeprom values or some other stuffs [02:36:44] *** thebentzone has quit IRC [02:36:45] *** Gekz has quit IRC [02:37:15] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris [02:37:49] <e^ipi> boot-ncpus: data not available. [02:37:51] <e^ipi> :-/ [02:39:26] <ottom> I think that jus tmeans it's not set, therefore will try to boot all CPUs. That's the default. So, no help. [02:40:08] <e^ipi> that's really messed up, why the heck can it only find 1 CPU? [02:40:33] <jv_> have those 2 particular cpus worked on that box before? [02:40:43] *** asarch has quit IRC [02:40:53] *** mega has quit IRC [02:41:38] <e^ipi> yep [02:41:58] <e^ipi> i can run each alone, or i can swap them [02:42:09] <e^ipi> any permutation they all boot fine without fmd errors [02:42:16] <e^ipi> but i can't get them to run as 2 cpu's [02:42:17] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [02:42:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [02:42:24] <e^ipi> it's the wierdest thing [02:43:00] <TomJ> Maybe they don't like each other very much [02:43:17] *** comay has quit IRC [02:43:24] <_mary_kate_> what if you only put a single cpu in the second socket? or is that an invalid configuration? [02:43:51] *** thebentzone_ has joined #opensolaris [02:44:09] *** thebentzone_ is now known as thebentzone [02:44:13] <e^ipi> i think that's invalid [02:50:33] <jv_> have you checked the cpu connector on second socket, it's pretty fragile [02:51:01] <e^ipi> checked it how? [02:51:08] <jv_> visually [02:51:10] <e^ipi> ( also, wouldn't it throw fmd errors then ? ) [02:51:13] <jv_> for bent pins and stuff [02:51:18] <jv_> it might [02:52:17] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [02:52:40] *** comay has quit IRC [02:56:06] <e^ipi> nah, looks fine [02:56:10] <jv_> i'd continue with booting in diagnostics mode and checking what does it say on the console [02:56:57] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris [02:58:20] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [03:00:42] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [03:06:32] *** zarqman has joined #opensolaris [03:06:51] *** sah-work has quit IRC [03:07:21] *** bubbva has quit IRC [03:07:31] *** tsoome has quit IRC [03:07:43] *** crichardso has left #opensolaris [03:08:31] *** inbigtrouble has quit IRC [03:08:42] *** Dyna has joined #opensolaris [03:09:42] <Dyna> Anyone come across the error "beadm: Failed to display Boot Environment(s)"? [03:12:16] <piwi> what shows a sun ray on screen if no network is attached? i wonder if this one ( http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?satitle=170255596610 ) is ok. [03:13:21] *** alanc changes topic to "Latest builds: SXCE 99, ON 98, IPS 98 || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca" [03:14:54] <Gekz> how can SXCE have a higher version than ON? [03:15:15] <jv_> piwi: heh, i was looking at that same sun ray just minutes ago :D [03:15:16] *** ky-san has joined #opensolaris [03:15:19] <ottom> piwi: looks OK, but it's running *very* old firmware. [03:15:53] <ottom> you'll need to plug it into a subnet that is directly connected to the server in order for it to get newer firmware [03:15:58] <piwi> jv_ : they have two :) [03:16:38] <jv_> shipping to finland would be probably too expensive [03:16:44] <piwi> ottom: sounds possible. but first, i have to buy it :) [03:16:50] <nachox> alanc, after having spent some years as one of the ops from ##slackware, i realized writing something like "Step one: see if SAG answers your question" is a waste of time, now we use that space for security advisories :) [03:17:04] <piwi> same problem here, shipping to germany, just asked for shipping fees [03:17:18] <alanc> nachox: I don't know who added that bit [03:17:24] <Dyna> nachox: Not all of us ignore it. :P [03:17:56] <ottom> you know it's only a 1024x768 15-inch display, right? [03:18:14] <alanc> Gekz: because SXCE sends out mail that I see and update the topic, ON makes me go look and see if they've updated, so I don't notice as quickly [03:18:57] <piwi> yeah, we had some of them at university. but a 1g in germany would cost about 50 eur [03:19:11] <Gekz> alanc: I see. [03:19:26] <alanc> and www.opensolaris.org is being slow as I go check what the current ON is... [03:19:27] <piwi> which is ~70$ [03:19:28] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC [03:20:10] <ottom> closer to $90, I think. The exchange rate is pretty steep. [03:20:29] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris [03:20:31] *** ttmrichter_ has joined #opensolaris [03:20:42] <ky-san> does opensolaris have support for something linke round-robin policy for 802.3ad link aggregation? [03:20:53] *** ttmrichter_ has quit IRC [03:21:25] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [03:22:42] <ottom> piwi: no, you're right, ~$70. I thought it was much worse. Maybe I can afford a European vacation sometime soon :-) [03:22:53] <piwi> :) [03:23:13] <piwi> there's another sun ray 2 available at ebay germany, which would be my first choice, but i think it will hit the 150 eur barrier (includes sun type 7 keyboard an mouse) [03:24:17] <jamesd> ky-san, L4 lacp agregation is supported if you have gldv3 supported nics, and your network switch supports it [03:25:15] <ky-san> jamesd, thanks. good news [03:25:35] *** ddforsolaris has joined #opensolaris [03:26:09] *** ddforsolaris has left #opensolaris [03:27:02] <sstallion> bah [03:27:04] <sstallion> is os.o down ? [03:27:45] <nachox> doesnt work here [03:27:53] <alanc> it's being very very very slow here [03:28:00] <sstallion> bah, figures [03:28:07] *** ddforsolaris has joined #opensolaris [03:28:12] <sstallion> everytime I need to do some maintenence on hg, os.o tanks ;) [03:28:37] * nachox blames sstallion for the downtime [03:29:16] <ky-san> jamesd: actually it hasn't. http://www.mail-archive.com/networking-discuss at opensolaris dot org/msg07655.html [03:30:47] <jamesd> yes it only has L4, like i said.. which the networking guys at sun say is close enough to round-robin... if not bring it up on the mailing list and convince someone to do round-robin or do it and submit it [03:32:49] <jamesd> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6538146 [03:32:52] <piwi> seems like osol is back [03:34:21] *** timsf1 has quit IRC [03:34:23] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [03:34:29] *** ddforsolaris has left #opensolaris [03:35:23] <ky-san> according to http://www.mail-archive.com/networking-discuss at opensolaris dot org/msg07659.html round-robin policy for 1gbe sucks :( it seems that I had to play and evaluate this feature on bsd/linux first [03:35:34] <ky-san> i have to [03:36:18] *** bondolo has quit IRC [03:37:02] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [03:37:56] <jbk> why do you need round robin? [03:38:08] <jamesd> ky-san, yeah sounds like you might need to allocate 125MB/s per port in the agregation to cover the worse case for round-robin... just 1second of buffering to cover a hickup on the server. [03:39:17] *** sparkleytone has joined #opensolaris [03:44:22] * sstallion sighs [03:44:24] <sstallion> e^ipi: around? [03:45:39] <victori_> is there any planned image-update for zones? [03:48:48] *** dnm has joined #opensolaris [03:57:54] <ky-san> jbk: I would like to have it [03:57:58] *** syndrome71 has joined #opensolaris [03:59:25] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [04:05:44] *** piwi has quit IRC [04:08:40] <rutski> I'm learning how to mount disks on solaris [04:08:52] <rutski> mount /dev/dsk/c0t0d0p2 /root/foo [04:09:09] <rutski> mount: /dev/dsk/c0t0d0p0 or /root/foo, no such file or directory [04:09:10] <rutski> what gives? [04:09:52] <sstallion> does /root/foo exist? and by the looks of it, you want /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s0, not p0 [04:12:13] *** alanc changes topic to "Latest builds: SXCE 99, ON 99, IPS 98 || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca" [04:12:19] <rutski> yep, /root/foo definitely does exist [04:12:24] <rutski> c0t0d0s0 gives the same error [04:12:44] <rutski> also I'd love to see docs from sun about the disk naming them, so far I've only found http://opensolaris.wikia.com/wiki/Mounting_filesystems [04:12:55] <rutski> *naming thing [04:16:06] <nachox> rutski, sun has great documentation about solaris, check there [04:16:11] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [04:16:27] <rutski> yea, I'll get familiarized with their docs in a bit [04:16:49] *** syndrome71 has left #opensolaris [04:16:52] <rutski> just have to change the password so I can get back into the system :( [04:17:03] <rutski> which requires mounting and chrooting via this live cd [04:17:49] <sstallion> alanc: alive ? [04:20:15] <alanc> sstallion: barely [04:20:31] <evocallaghan> I wonder when IPS gets a update to 99 ? [04:20:35] <sstallion> alanc: any chance you've used any of the SCM management bits on os.o ? [04:20:42] <sstallion> hg management is giving me fits here [04:21:00] <alanc> evocallaghan: the code review for the IPS resync to 99 was on indiana-discuss today, so probably soon [04:21:12] <evocallaghan> alanc:Thanks [04:21:16] <alanc> sstallion: a little bit, managing the X gates [04:21:22] <evocallaghan> I'll look later. Got to run now [04:21:28] * evocallaghan steps out the door [04:21:29] <sstallion> is there an easy way to remove old repositories ? [04:21:35] <alanc> (soon may still be a couple of days) [04:22:33] <alanc> sstallion: I don't see one, don't know [04:22:45] <alanc> try asking tools-discuss or website-discuss maybe? [04:22:52] <sstallion> *nod* [04:24:03] <sstallion> alanc: out of curiosity, what does the 'gate' term actually mean WRT sun SCM practices ? [04:24:45] <alanc> basically the same as a source code repository or workspace [04:24:48] <sstallion> is it just convention, or does it imply that there are some other processes which need to occurr before commit (i.e. onnv-gate) [04:24:57] <sstallion> gotcha [04:25:02] <alanc> depends on the gate [04:25:14] <alanc> project gates have project-specific rules [04:35:08] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris [04:36:09] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [04:43:50] <sstallion> jbk: alive ? [04:47:49] *** Odin- has quit IRC [04:48:35] *** stradi has quit IRC [04:49:27] <jbk> yeah, but tired [04:52:49] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC [04:53:26] *** Openfree has quit IRC [04:54:12] <sstallion> jbk: I moved all of our code over to ssh://hg.opensolaris.org/hg/emancipation/driver-gate [04:54:31] <sstallion> wanted to keep things in line with onnv (and e^pi moved the i18n stuff earlier too) [04:57:22] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [04:58:03] <rutski> gah! why can't I mount this disk!? :( [05:00:21] *** insomnia has quit IRC [05:01:22] *** coffman_ has joined #opensolaris [05:01:55] <jbk> hmm [05:02:05] <jbk> i'm not sure i have access to that (for pushing) [05:02:11] <jbk> as it's not taking my ssh key [05:02:17] <jbk> even though it's not changed [05:02:24] <jbk> i have to do an anonymous clone [05:06:00] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [05:07:59] <jbk> oh hmm.. my backed up ssh config file was missing a line [05:08:12] *** asarch has quit IRC [05:11:04] <sstallion> jbk: you should have the same exact perms [05:13:14] <jbk> yeah, my ssh config wasn't right [05:13:22] <sstallion> gotcha [05:13:40] <sstallion> did you have anything checked into the old cassini repos e^ipi had setup ? [05:15:28] <jbk> not recently [05:15:37] <jbk> i've been holding back :) [05:16:45] <sstallion> I was going to put a request in to nuke them... is there any code in there you want to keep around that hasnt made it into the newer gates ? [05:17:05] <jbk> well if you copied things over in the past week or so, should be ood [05:17:05] *** coffman has quit IRC [05:19:43] <sstallion> just did the copy 5 minutes ago [05:19:47] <rutski> WOW! [05:19:54] <jbk> ok [05:20:04] <rutski> nm, it was my mistake [05:20:28] <jbk> i reinstalled (after fighting w/ my dvd drive) my laptop (which had all the code) last night [05:20:40] <sstallion> ahh... not going for a new one ? [05:20:56] <jbk> not right now.. [05:21:05] <jbk> maybe once it's closer to christmas and there's deals out [05:21:11] <sstallion> *nod* [05:21:25] <jbk> since at least now, even with the flaky dvd drive, w/ zfs root i can more easily upgrade [05:22:44] *** insomnia has joined #OpenSolaris [05:24:11] <sstallion> *nod* [05:24:17] <sstallion> no way to get a new drive ? [05:26:23] *** knation has joined #opensolaris [05:26:41] *** nachox has quit IRC [05:27:22] *** erast has quit IRC [05:40:52] <rutski> I'm so confused; I have no idea what I'm supposed to do to get this disk to mount [05:41:24] <rutski> I don't know my way around /dev/dsk, and I need some method by which to query information about the devices there to see which one I need to pass to mount [05:42:21] *** izamryan has joined #OpenSolaris [05:42:25] *** derchris has quit IRC [05:42:30] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [05:42:36] <jbk> heh [05:42:43] <jbk> just to make sure it isn't me [05:43:09] <rutski> huh? [05:43:29] <jbk> if you had a multithreaded program that behaved such that: threads=8, runs in 10 minutes, threads=16, runs in 2 hours, threads=32, 24 hours [05:43:44] <jbk> what would be your first guess as to the problem? [05:44:29] *** slash^ has joined #opensolaris [05:44:31] <izamryan> algorithm doesn't scale ? [05:44:56] <_mary_kate_> jbk: excessive locking [05:45:07] <jbk> ding! [05:45:10] <slash^> hi guys, trying to do a text based install of 2008.5, and im sitting athe loging prompt :| seems odd that i would need a login to continue ? where could i find the details ? [05:45:16] <_mary_kate_> or contention for another resource (like a cv) [05:46:59] <jbk> apparently it took this software group 4 weeks to figure that out [05:50:20] *** nitrile has quit IRC [05:50:59] <rutski> does nobody here know about getting disk info on opensolaris? :( [05:51:12] <izamryan> jbk: omg. that sounds awful [05:52:02] <sstallion> rutski: iostat -En [05:53:15] <sstallion> rutski: pick your device, then run prtvtoc on the rdsk (i.e. prtvtoc /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s0) [05:53:27] <sstallion> should tell you everything you need to know [05:53:31] <rutski> I see c3d0 and c4t0d0, trying that on both now [05:53:54] <rutski> hmm, not sure what to do; neither of those exist in /dev/dsk (not surprisingly) [05:54:10] <sstallion> rutski: stop what you are doing and read the /topic [05:54:34] <rutski> SAG? [05:54:37] <sstallion> yes [05:54:41] <sstallion> go there and read up on disks [05:55:22] <rutski> indeed, thanks for pointing me to it [05:55:33] * sstallion sighs [05:55:56] <sstallion> why am i not surprised that RTL8029 uses a crc32 hash for multicast filters [05:57:13] <rutski> as a side note, does it help that "prtvtoc /dev/dsk/c4t0d0* /dev/dsk/c3d0*" lists a ton of disks, each which have the "unmountable" and "readonly" flags? [05:57:34] <e^ipi> rutski: because you didn't read the documentation [05:57:37] <rutski> (makes me think I'm basically screwed if I can't mount anything at all even if I knew which to try) [05:57:47] <rutski> e^ipi: heh, yea; I was expecting that, reading now [05:57:58] <sstallion> e^ipi: ahh there you are! [05:58:16] <sstallion> im going to put a message out on tools-discuss to nuke some old gates... what are you using in emancipation now [05:58:27] *** alanc is now known as alanc_away [05:58:34] <e^ipi> just i8n-gate [05:58:47] <sstallion> anything else you need for historic ? [05:59:09] <e^ipi> nope [05:59:12] <sstallion> okay [05:59:15] <sstallion> i'll send a message [06:09:39] <rutski> sstallion: this is a lot of information to dig through :( [06:09:55] <sstallion> rutski: its a new operating system, what did you expect? :) [06:10:18] <rutski> someone to give me a straight answer if and when they happen to know it :-/ [06:13:37] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [06:13:39] <rutski> ah, I know what it is; I need the proper -F [06:13:51] <rutski> it's c3d0p2 that I need; I'm 99% sure [06:13:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay [06:18:53] *** izamryan has quit IRC [06:22:22] <sstallion> rutski: what are you trying to mount ? [06:22:58] *** ky-san is now known as mbz [06:23:01] <rutski> the disk I installed opensolaris on, I'm booted from a live CD. fdisk /dev/dsk/c3d0p0 shows that c3d0 is indeed the right disk [06:23:20] <rutski> fdisk shows that windows is on the first partition, and opensolaris is on the second [06:23:45] * sstallion falls over [06:23:50] *** houst0n-_ has quit IRC [06:23:54] <sstallion> ... [06:24:08] <rutski> I know it's ZFS from when the system booted (from the disk), said it was mounting a ZFS partition [06:24:29] <sstallion> did you try zpool import? [06:24:40] <rutski> but "mount -F zfs /dev/dsk/c3d0p2 /root/foo" shows "cannot open /dev/dsk/c3d0p2: invalid dataset name" [06:24:48] <sstallion> stop [06:24:57] <rutski> and read a zfs admin guide? [06:25:19] <sstallion> issue: zpool import -R /mnt rpool [06:26:10] <rutski> cannot import 'rpool': pool may be in use from other system [06:26:19] <sstallion> issue: zpool import -f -R /mnt rpool [06:27:06] <rutski> can I do it on /root/bar instead? [06:27:12] <sstallion> wherever you want [06:27:17] <rutski> yea [06:27:44] <rutski> interesting, I get a limited set of files form the system [06:28:01] * sstallion sighs [06:28:04] <sstallion> do a zfs list [06:28:52] <sstallion> if a filesystem you need is not mounted, then mount it with zfs mount [06:28:57] <rutski> some interesting output [06:31:33] <rutski> well I know awell it seems that rpool/ROOT is the one I need, since it's reported taking up 2.3 gigs (definitely looks like the system's install disk) [06:31:40] <rutski> but it's already mounting on /root/bar/rpool/ROOT [06:31:46] <rutski> yet ls in that dir shows nothing [06:31:47] <sstallion> good [06:31:49] <sstallion> well [06:31:50] <rutski> wait... I think I know what this is [06:31:53] <sstallion> you don't need ROOT [06:32:07] <sstallion> you need the opensolaris dataset thats under it (or whatever its called) [06:32:18] <sstallion> place your zfs list output on rafb.net [06:32:28] <rutski> if only I had an internet connection [06:32:31] <rutski> (on that machine) [06:33:26] <jamesd> sstallion, i would but its too long... 20,000 snapshots :-) [06:35:00] <rutski> sstallion: rpool/ROOT/opensolaris or rpool/ROOT/opensolaris@install? [06:35:20] <rutski> the first is mounted as "legacy" (note that's not "/legacy"), and the second is not mounted [06:35:26] <sstallion> jamesd: thats just retarded :) [06:35:54] <sstallion> rutski: you want the first one. if you want to get cute, issue the following (and don't deviate!) [06:36:13] <jamesd> sstallion, nah just setup automatic snapshots... every 15 minutes, stored for one month each.. and have a few 100 filesystems [06:36:14] <sstallion> zfs set mountpoint=/var/tmp/foo rpool/ROOT/opensolaris [06:36:21] <sstallion> jamesd: yeesh [06:36:31] <sstallion> zfs mount rpool/ROOT/opensolaris [06:36:44] <sstallion> cd /var/tmp/foo; make your edits [06:36:50] <sstallion> zfs umount /var/tmp/foo [06:37:01] <sstallion> zfs set mountpoint=legacy rpool/ROOT/opensolaris [06:37:05] <sstallion> zfs export rpool [06:37:07] <sstallion> reboot [06:37:18] <sstallion> rutski: after this you have to start reading [06:37:27] <sstallion> you are lucky I needed a break from writing this silly hash [06:37:47] *** houst0n- has joined #opensolaris [06:39:00] * sstallion wishes zfs mount could override the mountpoint property w/o affecting the dataset [06:40:41] <rutski> sstallion: that did the trick [06:40:57] <rutski> but now when I'm chrooted into that system it says I don't have permission to edit the shadow file [06:41:13] <sstallion> why would you chroot? [06:41:35] <rutski> good point [06:41:44] <rutski> I wanted to use passwd [06:41:48] <rutski> I wonder if you can give it a file [06:41:58] <sstallion> just edit the file [06:42:01] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [06:42:11] <sstallion> (all you need to edit is /etc/shadow) [06:42:49] *** spanther has joined #opensolaris [06:47:21] *** knation has left #opensolaris [06:48:15] <McBofh> sstallion: ever tried mount -F zfs -o rw poolname/dataset /mountpoint ? [06:48:31] <sstallion> does that work ? [06:48:37] <sstallion> (i've never tried) [06:49:00] <McBofh> it's worked for me in the past :) [06:49:07] <spanther> is openSolaris able to give me a DualBoot System so that i have OS and Vista installed? [06:49:46] <McBofh> yes [06:50:17] <sstallion> interesting. zfs usage needs to be updated then :) [06:50:30] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [06:50:49] <spanther> McBofh okay then i'll give it a try :) [06:51:58] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [06:53:21] <McBofh> spanther: if you haven't got a spare DOS-style primary partition, then you need to create one. I suggest gparted [06:54:04] <spanther> DOS-style partition? [06:54:21] <spanther> well i only have my NTFS and ext3 partitions (from suse) [06:54:52] <McBofh> spanther: "primary partition" versus "logical" or "extended partition" [06:55:28] <spanther> i only have primarys :) [06:55:45] *** spackest has joined #opensolaris [06:55:57] <McBofh> question is, do you have free space to allocate to a new primary partition? [06:56:18] <spanther> 1st NTFS (Vista) 2nd ext3 (/) 3rd swap 4th ext3 (/home) [06:56:27] <spackest> I have an x4150 and would like to get some more ram, but I want to make sure I get compatible ram. suggestions? [06:56:39] <spanther> um nope i have to delete suse then [06:56:45] <sstallion> rutski: are you up and running again ? [06:58:23] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [06:58:49] <spanther> McBofh can you give me a howto? [06:59:24] <McBofh> a howto to do what? [06:59:47] <spanther> installing procedure as 2nd system [07:00:15] * McBofh rolls eyes [07:00:17] <McBofh> heard of google? [07:01:04] <McBofh> http://www.google.com/search?q=site:opensolaris.org+multi+boot+install [07:01:10] <spanther> google has many sites and not all do it right so i thought i should stay away from a "just do" action and better ask for a true one [07:01:27] <McBofh> go with the OpenSolaris binary distro (osol2008.05), too [07:02:25] <spanther> is the binary one the actual downloadable one at the main site? [07:03:14] <McBofh> off opensolaris.com? yup [07:03:30] <spanther> kay still downloading :) [07:04:32] <spanther> but its named os200805.iso thats right? [07:04:48] <sstallion> night all [07:04:50] * sstallion & [07:04:54] *** tsoome has quit IRC [07:04:56] <McBofh> spanther: yes [07:05:03] <McBofh> there's a 2008.11 coming along soon [07:05:17] <spanther> soon means? [07:05:26] <McBofh> probably in the 11th month of 2008 [07:05:57] <rutski> sstallion: not yet, nope; I sort of gave up on it for the time being. have to get to bed. [07:06:09] <spanther> ah okay so not important for me now heh but good to know thanks :) [07:06:09] <rutski> looks promising for tomorrow then [07:06:22] <rutski> *though [07:06:27] <rutski> yea, no rush [07:06:33] <spanther> hope hardware support grows alot cause solaris itself runs rock solid just the lack of hardware support is my issue hehe [07:06:40] <rutski> it's just yet another UNIX system to test my OpenGL learning apps on [07:07:28] <McBofh> spanther: there's a Device Detection Tool which you can run, also. That'll tell you whether your device(s) are supported [07:07:33] <McBofh> and which driver you might need [07:07:49] <McBofh> iirc it's on that livecd you're downloading [07:08:10] <spanther> its a liveCD ? that sounds good :) [07:08:43] <spanther> ah i see this information is on the page well i think i am just to tired so that i didnt read it all hehe [07:10:23] <McBofh> there ya go - http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.jsp [07:13:29] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [07:13:42] <spanther> now this looks very professional :D [07:14:08] <spanther> everythings fine except DVB-T PCI Card and Sound [07:14:09] *** Gman has quit IRC [07:14:38] <McBofh> yeah, no drivers for them [07:15:03] <spanther> audiohd nVidia Corporation "MCP65 High Definition Audio" has a yellow ! Sign and my Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder is Red ! [07:16:04] <spanther> so i wont have sound :( thats bad then. will they store this scan informations and include drivers in the next edition? [07:16:07] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [07:16:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [07:16:26] <McBofh> for your audio stuff, you might need to futz around with a device alias to get it to work - or you could grab the OSS drivers from 4front. The Conexxant card - there's definitely no driver for it [07:19:04] <spanther> oss-solaris-v4.0-1016-i386.pkg should be the right :) [07:19:10] <McBofh> yup [07:19:43] *** cchapman has quit IRC [07:20:10] *** fr4g has quit IRC [07:20:13] <spanther> this conexxant dvb-t card works with the linux kernel so there are opensource drivers available aren't they? [07:20:21] <McBofh> for linux, yes [07:21:23] <spanther> since they're opensource they can get included into oSolaris too? [07:21:38] <spanther> just asking heh [07:21:54] <McBofh> generally not [07:22:20] <McBofh> the code would need a major re-write to be OpenSolaris-friendly [07:22:39] *** spackest has left #opensolaris [07:24:07] <spanther> how to contact the Solaris programmers so that they can include it then? [07:25:07] <McBofh> spanther: you can log an RFE (request for enhancement) on bugs.opensolaris.org [07:26:52] *** mbz has left #opensolaris [07:27:12] *** mbz has joined #opensolaris [07:27:19] <e^ipi> spanther: not going to happen. the GPL is incompatible on the one hand, and the underlying subsystems are totally different on the other [07:28:06] <McBofh> e^ipi: I was trying to be subtle, there you go and use your hobnailed boots instead.... [07:28:46] <spanther> great.... [07:30:39] <spanther> so all this "giving out specifications to the opensource community and help in developing oss drivers" manufacturers made still doesn't help in bringing hardware to work? [07:31:08] <tsoome1> those are nice words. [07:31:39] <tsoome1> ;) [07:32:37] <e^ipi> spanther: did they actually give out specifications ? [07:32:53] <e^ipi> or just GNU-proprietary ( gpl ) code? [07:33:20] <e^ipi> if it's gpl, it may as well be closed source because nobody else can use it [07:33:20] <spanther> @e^ipi well intel does giving out alot of informations how things work so that OSS programmers can build drivers [07:33:31] <e^ipi> yes, and most intel stuff works fine [07:33:46] <e^ipi> they give out actual specifications [07:33:57] *** jgracin has quit IRC [07:34:04] <spanther> GPL is closed source? [07:34:07] <McBofh> both Intel and AMD have *very good* working relationships with Sun Engineering [07:34:22] <e^ipi> spanther: unless you're GPL, you can't use GPL code... so it may as well be thought of as closed-source [07:34:24] <McBofh> spanther: not as such, it's more that it tends towards 0wnzing your code [07:35:08] <spanther> so Solaris comes near BSD license with completely giving the code true freedom in all usages? [07:35:25] <e^ipi> spanther: no, it's in between the two [07:35:38] <e^ipi> spanther: you can link to non-CDDL code, but you have to share CDDL code and any changes [07:35:55] <spanther> all i can say now is that licenses are stupid... [07:35:57] <e^ipi> if the GPL didn't spread to other files, it would be similar to the CDDL [07:36:05] <e^ipi> spanther: +1. licenses are silly things [07:36:50] <McBofh> nah, not stupid, but a necessary evil in today's world [07:37:13] <McBofh> http://opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/licensing_faq [07:37:13] <spanther> it's just disturbing and slowing down development [07:37:44] <spanther> 10.000+ licenses all different and so much knowledge not usable because its under another one...omg [07:38:05] <_mary_kate_> there's no problem at all with most licenses [07:38:15] <_mary_kate_> only a few, like the GPL, deliberately cause problems [07:38:29] <tsoome1> well, most of knowledge is not usable in most contextes anyhow:P [07:38:40] <spanther> problem is GPL has alot of code so alot of code and supported hardware drivers cant be included then... [07:39:00] *** orinoko has left #opensolaris [07:39:01] <_mary_kate_> i doubt many linux drivers would be suitable for inclusion in solaris without significant reworking [07:39:09] <_mary_kate_> more luck would be had with BSD drivers, where the license is no problem [07:39:19] <_mary_kate_> (in fact, a few of those have already been ported) [07:39:35] <spanther> but if its possible why not doing this reworking? if it extends support? [07:39:54] <e^ipi> it'd be nice if someone went through the BSD HCL, and our HCL, and compiled a list of stuff they have that we don't [07:40:01] <_mary_kate_> because the license doesn't allow it, but even if it did, it would be a lot more work than taking well-written drivers, like those in BSD [07:40:10] <McBofh> spanther: lack of resources, too [07:40:27] <tsoome1> well, if you need to rewrite stuff from scratch, why to rely on data in this GPL source anyhow?;) [07:40:46] <spanther> just go and look how it works then write the driver from scratch :) [07:40:55] <spanther> GPL code doesnt prevent from being viewed [07:40:58] <_mary_kate_> btw, it's perfectly legal for one person to examine the gpl source and write down a description of the hardware, then for someone else to write a driver based on that [07:40:59] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [07:41:14] <spanther> thats what i mean all the time mary kate :) [07:41:15] <McBofh> looking at it taints you, which is why you need the second person [07:41:15] <_mary_kate_> spanther: there's no 'just' about it, writing a driver isn't something you can do in five minutes of spare time [07:41:20] <McBofh> so you can do a cleanroom implementation [07:41:27] <McBofh> _mary_kate_: damned right :( [07:42:01] <_mary_kate_> if it were, sun would spare an engineer for a day and all hardware would be supported.. [07:42:19] <spanther> okay um another idea whats about a software which can load xp drivers and points to the hardware bringing hardware and software together? :) [07:43:03] <spanther> if "nothing" works then sorry but how can i use a system where nothing works :( [07:43:04] <_mary_kate_> that is what ndiswrapper does [07:43:19] <spanther> yes ndiswrapper is linux [07:43:26] <_mary_kate_> the solaris version isn't linux [07:44:09] <_mary_kate_> btw, solaris supports audiohd, and in the event it doesn't for some reason, OSS does [07:44:46] <spanther> i've downloaded this package McBofh linked at before [07:45:47] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [07:46:45] *** cchapman has joined #opensolaris [07:46:47] *** mist has joined #opensolaris [07:46:57] *** comay has quit IRC [07:47:08] <spanther> so i will come to the next question (more important) how to install such drivers? [07:47:16] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [07:47:18] <_mary_kate_> which drivers? [07:47:27] <spanther> is it easy like in macOS just dragging the drivers inside a folder? [07:47:38] <spanther> um the OSS ones [07:47:50] <_mary_kate_> if only it came with a manual that describes exactly how to install it... [07:48:10] <spanther> you really wanna scare me away don't you? *g* [07:48:13] <oxygene> spanther: usually it's installing a package, but it's the vendors choice how to do it [07:48:31] <_mary_kate_> spanther: i'm not going to read the manual to you over IRC [07:48:38] <_mary_kate_> i assume, since you're on IRC, you already know how to read [07:48:57] <spanther> well i hope so lol [07:49:23] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris [07:49:58] <cchapman> does opensolaris run flash better than linux does or is it clunky on opensolaris to? [07:51:19] <spanther> so hey advertise a bit :) what are the advantages of Solaris? or is it just a like reinventing the allready existing wheel? [07:52:02] <_mary_kate_> spanther: you know Sun had an OS about 15 years before linux even existed, right? [07:52:05] <oxygene> spanther: it's hard to reinvent a wheel if you're among the first [07:52:35] <spanther> _mary_kate_ no i didn't hehe [07:53:00] <_mary_kate_> sun is a very old company, they were one of the first people to produce Unix workstations [07:53:16] <spanther> well i was born 1986 so i didn't saw the start of it all :) [07:53:20] <e^ipi> spanther: linux is largely the result of people coming out of university after having used Solaris or SunOS and wishing they could have it at home [07:53:55] <spanther> all i know (or hope i do) is that linux trys to be a unix clone [07:54:13] <cchapman> e^ipi: does opensolaris run flash better than linux does or is it clunky on opensolaris to? [07:54:21] <_mary_kate_> which unix do you think they cloned? ;) [07:54:38] <e^ipi> i dunno ,flash runs fine for me [07:54:41] <spanther> _mary_kate_ i never used unix myself so i can't tell you :) [07:55:00] <oxygene> spanther: the "classic" feature list contains stuff like zfs and dtrace (and smf - an init replacement, fma - fault management architecture). less tangible features include an engineering perspective on development (vs. layers upon layers of hacks) and stability (eg. on an API level: solaris 8 drivers from 2000 can often be used unchanged in today's solaris release) [07:55:07] <cchapman> like you tube runs good for you> [07:55:59] <e^ipi> yeah, runs fine [07:56:30] <_mary_kate_> oxygene: live upgrade! [07:56:44] <spanther> well OpenSolaris looks rock-solid means it really seems to be alot more stable than linux. haven't found any bug so far or hang :) and yeah... nimbus just looks awesome... thats what i know so far and that it doesn't support my soundchip and TV card on the fly [07:56:59] <cchapman> i run a ibm thinkpad x40 and windows worked fine.... linux runs clunky,.... hoping opensolaris runs good..... getting sick of stuttering videosw [07:57:12] <cchapman> flash that is [07:57:34] <spanther> cchapman opensolaris runs very good and smooth just hope all hardware works :) [07:58:28] <cchapman> intel video supported with the compiz-fusion stuff on opensolaris? [07:58:37] <spanther> i got a new R61 thinkpad so i think i won't support it completely too :( [07:58:50] <e^ipi> cchapman: yes [07:59:10] <oxygene> spanther: hardware support is a problem (for the desktop, anyway). but sun has engineers working on the more popular stuff, and given the stable interfaces, it's easier than on the other unices to maintain a driver outside the base tree. so all that's missing is man power. care to contribute? :) [07:59:15] <cchapman> ill be making the switch tomorow [07:59:59] <cchapman> night alll and thanks for the info [08:00:11] <e^ipi> yes, unlike linux they won't swap out the driver interface underneath you [08:00:11] *** cchapman has quit IRC [08:00:46] <spanther> oxygene well my plan was to use it at my thinkpad (since they are known to run for ages) where i don't have to buy a new one with again unsupported stuff :) so i thought i install opensolaris on it [08:00:55] <oxygene> e^ipi: hmm.. I think the list of systems supporting a driver interface is shorter.. I mean, solaris and windows - what else? [08:01:12] <spanther> but yeah you talk about contributing but for real alot of sites or communitys say that... for real i don't know how or what to contribute :/ nor how it works [08:01:24] <e^ipi> spanther: bugs.opensolaris.org [08:01:30] <e^ipi> spanther: search for "oss-bite-size" [08:01:48] <e^ipi> those are bugs that people have flagged as easy to get to know the development methodology [08:02:08] *** hohum has quit IRC [08:02:25] <spanther> @e^ipi oh and i don't know any programming language :) [08:02:27] *** hohum has joined #OpenSolaris [08:03:15] <e^ipi> then that's more difficult [08:03:27] *** DSHE has joined #opensolaris [08:04:18] <spanther> well i could contribute with using my hardware to help the community to bring them in the supported hardware list so that the overall support grows a bit :) [08:04:49] *** DSHE has left #opensolaris [08:05:04] <spanther> i could test things someone tells me and give my best to give informations out if that helps [08:06:31] <oxygene> unfortunately, as long as there isn't even an experimental driver, there's nothing to test [08:06:39] <oxygene> spanther: what kind of tv card (chipset) do you have? [08:07:06] <spanther> oxygene wait :) [08:07:24] *** juriskr has joined #opensolaris [08:07:46] <spanther> Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [08:08:01] <spanther> It's an Hauppauge Nova-T PCI [08:08:23] <spanther> Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [IR Port] [08:08:29] <spanther> Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] [08:08:36] <spanther> these tree entrys i do have [08:09:23] <spanther> and my audiohd is included into my chipset which is nVidia MCP65 (nForce) [08:11:45] <spanther> but i have to say (i've used many linux distros so far) that i really was impressed about how smooth OpenSolaris ran it just was clean in bootup. i got a feeling better than with my long year windows or linux usage. it just felt stable :) [08:14:00] <oxygene> there seems to be a freebsd driver for that chipset (cx88), porting might be possible [08:14:02] <spanther> i really think it could lead the world in computing if the support were better. but thats a developing issue. so hardware vendors will have to contribute at first instance and accept it as professional system for desktop use :) [08:14:26] <spanther> cx88 is CX23880 ? [08:14:45] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [08:14:47] <oxygene> the cx88 driver is for that chipset, yes [08:14:59] <spanther> cool sounds really good :) [08:15:30] <oxygene> porting a driver isn't easy, but usually easier than starting from scratch (even if only because you don't have to fight the manufacturer's legal department to get specs). [08:16:23] <spanther> sadly you have to fight for support. sadly manufacturers just see it as their duty to support their customers in all ways to give them the best out of the hardware sold :-) [08:16:37] <spanther> (dont see it as their duty) [08:17:42] <oxygene> hmm.. actually, seems like the spec is in the open (though I have no idea if that was intentional) [08:17:46] *** div8 has joined #opensolaris [08:19:40] <spanther> in the open? [08:22:35] <spanther> but porting would be worth the work since every hardware piece will mean more supported hardware for lifetime :) [08:27:35] *** jolts_ has joined #opensolaris [08:28:57] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [08:31:47] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris [08:32:40] *** sophokles has quit IRC [08:33:05] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris [08:33:16] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris [08:34:55] *** jolts has quit IRC [08:41:38] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [08:50:20] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [08:52:24] <codestr0m1> for those who care about mplayer building with sun cc.. I've disable a lot of optimizations/codecs, but http://rafb.net/p/RwAQSc95.html on the final stretch of the problem I think [08:55:07] <_mary_kate_> of course, building it without those optimisations makes it rather less useful ;) [08:55:14] *** anilg has quit IRC [08:55:49] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris [08:55:58] <codestr0m1> _mary_kate_: yeah, but I think getting it to build is a first step [08:56:11] <codestr0m1> then go back and optimize/add support where needed [08:57:33] *** yippi has quit IRC [09:00:41] *** smtms has quit IRC [09:06:45] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [09:07:23] <spanther> _mary_kate_ is a very beautiful name btw. :-) [09:10:13] <spanther> sounds wild west like [09:11:29] <spanther> and i've called the repair service they told me my package will arrive today so i will be able to test solaris :D [09:13:50] *** coffman_ is now known as coffman [09:22:10] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris [09:25:07] *** asarch has quit IRC [09:25:40] <coffman> morning [09:27:50] *** Okona has quit IRC [09:30:11] *** Okona has joined #opensolaris [09:36:14] *** mbz has left #opensolaris [09:36:36] <slash^> how can you go about installing 2008.5 without gnome and all the extras ? [09:36:47] <slash^> i dont see an advanced install, just insert cd... next next next and its off [09:36:51] *** lucianno has joined #opensolaris [09:37:48] <e^ipi> yes, that is the only install at the present [09:37:59] <e^ipi> there may or may not be a more advanced one in the future [09:38:18] *** lucianno is now known as bug_L [09:38:18] <slash^> possible to jumpstart opensol ? 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[09:46:28] <_mary_kate_> sxce has the old solaris installer [09:46:40] <slash^> ahh the good ole faithful :) [09:47:35] *** bug_L has quit IRC [09:52:03] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris [09:52:57] <DTEIT> morning [09:53:09] <e^ipi> no it's not [10:00:07] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [10:01:09] *** sartek has quit IRC [10:03:49] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris [10:05:58] <codestr0m1> it is possible to turn the verbosity of this error up a bit.. cc: acomp failed for utils.c I get no line number to reference or anything [10:09:11] *** DannyJ has joined #opensolaris [10:11:50] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [10:13:16] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [10:13:53] *** twisti_work is now known as twisti [10:14:09] <mikefut> Hello [10:14:40] <mikefut> Need an advice re SMF - I had to delete postgres service, then imported back [10:15:13] <mikefut> but after import it's in "unitialized" state - any ideas how to get it initialized? [10:17:00] <slash^> sounds like the xml is broke ? [10:17:07] <slash^> svcs -vx should show you more info [10:17:17] <slash^> or better yet the log /var/svc/log something like that [10:18:17] <mikefut> I haven't made ANY changes to XML file [10:18:28] <mikefut> also svcs -xv shows nothing :( [10:18:58] <mikefut> will check /var/svc/log though [10:19:44] <mikefut> nothing interesting in the log :( [10:20:00] <mikefut> all messages were logged before delete/import [10:22:05] *** c00p has quit IRC [10:22:10] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [10:23:30] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [10:30:54] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [10:31:05] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [10:34:27] *** Cookie` has quit IRC [10:37:18] *** LeftWing has quit IRC [10:38:53] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris [10:39:02] <SYS64738> hi [10:39:40] <SYS64738> is possible to make start virtualbox under xVM dom0 ? [10:40:24] <victori_> anyone know how to update zones? [10:40:27] <victori_> properly* [10:43:33] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [10:44:47] *** Rarok has quit IRC [10:55:34] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC [11:00:39] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [11:03:07] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC [11:04:01] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris [11:04:56] *** stradi has joined #OpenSolaris [11:12:20] *** chonan has quit IRC [11:13:00] *** chonan has joined #OpenSolaris [11:16:31] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris [11:42:37] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [11:44:19] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [11:46:34] <codestr0m1> I'm missing something obvious.. why is adding -static giving me this [11:46:34] <codestr0m1> cc -m64 -I. -static test.c [11:46:34] <codestr0m1> cc: -a conflicts with -dy. [11:46:48] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [11:47:04] <_mary_kate_> because the right option is -Bstatic [11:49:30] <codestr0m1> _mary_kate_: not sure if you drink, but I owe you a favorite beverage of your choosing.. it also lead me to this.. http://docs.sun.com/source/819-3688/cc_ops.app.html [11:53:06] <CosmicDJ> hm any idea what devfsadm could be doing that long? from prstat -> " 145 root 30M 25M cpu0 1 0 1:32:20 47% devfsadm/8" [12:00:15] *** chonan has quit IRC [12:01:32] *** coffman has quit IRC [12:02:00] *** chonan has joined #OpenSolaris [12:05:24] *** myself has joined #opensolaris [12:05:43] *** myself is now known as inZpoolTrouble [12:05:47] <inZpoolTrouble> Hi all [12:06:28] <inZpoolTrouble> looking for your kind help on this: zpool did not mount after crash [12:06:44] <inZpoolTrouble> it is a 6x1TB pool in raidz [12:06:55] <inZpoolTrouble> I exported it and attempted to reimport [12:07:11] <inZpoolTrouble> no success, it says corrupt zpool metadata [12:07:12] *** simonleinen has joined #opensolaris [12:07:54] <inZpoolTrouble> however zdb -l (I did this after doing a lot of googling) on each device looks ok [12:08:03] <inZpoolTrouble> all labels are read fine [12:08:22] <inZpoolTrouble> any ideas please? [12:09:06] <inZpoolTrouble> I checked the forum @opensolaris and I saw that Victor Latushkin was able to help someone import the pool in R/O mode [12:09:32] <inZpoolTrouble> in a similar circumstance (unimportable pool) [12:09:38] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris [12:10:24] <inZpoolTrouble> btw I am on build snv90 [12:11:01] *** _teo_ has joined #opensolaris [12:12:26] *** rutski has quit IRC [12:15:36] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [12:17:12] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [12:18:30] *** ky-san has joined #opensolaris [12:18:38] <TomJ> Is there a RBAC profile I can give that will allow a certain user to kill processes owned by another certain user? [12:18:54] <TomJ> That is, I want user tomj to be able to send signals to any process owned by user jboss [12:18:55] <Stric> chmod +s /bin/kill :) [12:18:55] <timsf> Primary Administrator :-) [12:19:04] <TomJ> so no, then? :) [12:19:19] <TomJ> I want to give rights to just a specific other user, not all [12:19:27] <timsf> "Process Management" [12:19:28] <Stric> setfacl .. ;) [12:19:40] <Stric> or chmod A+blah [12:19:47] <TomJ> Stric: that's for files? I mean processes [12:19:57] <timsf> Process Management (I think) [12:20:14] <TomJ> timsf: wouldn't that be all again? I mean, I know I can give user tomj the right to kill *any* process owned by any user, but I just want him to be able to kill user jboss' processes, not all [12:20:16] <Stric> TomJ: bad joke about protecting your suid /bin/kill from other users than a single one.. [12:20:22] <timsf> Oh [12:20:23] <TomJ> Stric: ahh I see :) [12:20:39] <timsf> Use roles [12:20:44] <timsf> make jboss a role, [12:20:58] <timsf> assign that role to whoever you want [12:21:05] <Stric> suid wrapper executable by user semiadmin only that does pkill -u jboss <- another lame workaround ;) [12:21:23] <timsf> so then whoever you want has the ability to become that role, and kill the process [12:21:28] <TomJ> Gotcha, ok. then he would he have to su jboss? or would pfexec automatically sort it out if he's in the right role? [12:21:38] <timsf> Nope, he'd need to su to the role [12:21:45] <TomJ> Ok thanks very much [12:21:46] <timsf> (pfexec does rights profiles, not roles) [12:21:48] <timsf> no worries [12:22:11] <timsf> (you then assign a role a set of profiles) [12:22:23] <timsf> (you then hand out those roles to users) [12:22:29] <timsf> - and so it goes... [12:25:01] <trygvis> is it possible to have roles without passwords? or do I still need to coordinate the passwords for the role? [12:25:19] <timsf> Yes [12:25:25] <timsf> (you can have roles without passwords) [12:25:28] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju [12:25:49] <trygvis> shibby! [12:25:59] <timsf> so long as you're restricting the set of users you're giving the role to, I /think/ you're ok [12:26:11] <timsf> (however, I'm not paid to know this stuff, so I could be mistaken :-) [12:26:37] <tsoome> its another question how secure it is;) basically, you need to have roles assigned to users, you cant get role access without it, but password prevents role access in case you get access to the user with role access;) [12:26:41] <timsf> Chapter 8 of the admin guide is pretty good reading though - I heartily recommend it. [12:27:06] <timsf> tsoome: right. [12:28:17] *** DTEIT has quit IRC [12:28:25] *** smtms has quit IRC [12:28:34] <trygvis> sharing passwords among groups of users will definitely not increase the security [12:28:50] <trygvis> I like sudo's approach where you're asked for your own password before gaining rights [12:30:54] *** Cookie` has joined #opensolaris [12:30:59] <tsoome> well. if I know your password, i can log in with your user, and get access to system;) [12:31:11] <tsoome> not too secure anyhow;) [12:31:38] <tsoome> for role, i have to know 2 passwords;) [12:31:50] *** ejray has joined #opensolaris [12:32:29] <TomJ> I really wish there was a way to force that a ssh key has a passphrase, e.g. to block access to sshd if it does not. My users login to an access server by password, then I made them generate a key which lets them run ssh qabox 'pkill java' or whatever, via public key, and they're meant to run ssh-add first. but I know a bunch of them just made a key without passphrase [12:32:57] <trygvis> yeah [12:33:07] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris [12:33:17] *** _teo_ has quit IRC [12:33:40] <DTEIT> re [12:40:55] *** anilg has quit IRC [12:54:20] *** hile_ has quit IRC [12:55:05] *** tsoome has quit IRC [13:00:31] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [13:00:44] *** izamryan has joined #OpenSolaris [13:36:48] <codestr0m1> how do I force it to use /usr/lib/amd64/crt1x.o ? I'm getting [13:36:48] <codestr0m1> Undefined first referenced symbol in file main /usr/local/src/SUNWspro/prod/lib/amd64/crt1x.o [13:37:06] <codestr0m1> I'm 100% using the sun ld [13:38:04] *** chris1205 has joined #opensolaris [13:38:43] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris [13:39:12] <chris1205> Hi all got a sun fire v120 server and need to reset the console (LOM) password but don't have the solaris cd [13:39:21] <evocallaghan> Just a note to Derek or whoever that the SXCE 99 notice here http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=76929&tstart=0 inc. the 98 change logs instead of 99 [13:39:33] <chris1205> can any one help me out am new at this? [13:40:09] <evocallaghan> correct link should be http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b99/on-changelog-b99.html [13:41:16] *** codestr0m1 has quit IRC [13:41:43] *** codestr0m has joined #opensolaris [13:41:59] *** [jbasse] has joined #opensolaris [13:43:11] *** Cookie` has quit IRC [13:47:37] *** jbasse has quit IRC [13:47:52] *** chris1205 has left #opensolaris [13:55:07] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [14:00:03] *** izamryan has quit IRC [14:05:07] *** vk5foss has joined #opensolaris [14:08:00] *** naoto_gohko has joined #opensolaris [14:10:11] *** MattMan is now known as MattAFC [14:12:00] <codestr0m> does the sun cc have something like "-M Instead of outputting the result of preprocessing, output a rule suitable for make describing the dependencies of the main source file. The preprocessor outputs one make rule containing the object file name for that source file, a colon, and the names of all the included files, including those coming from -include or -imacros command line options." [14:17:48] *** _jabba has quit IRC [14:18:21] *** kgoetz has quit IRC [14:22:31] <McBofh> codestr0m: try -xM and friends [14:22:45] <codestr0m> McBofh: found it, but wasn't sure if it was the same [14:26:12] <TomJ> Anyone know if there's a way to fix the output of ps such that it's always correctly column-aligned? if I do e.g.: ps -o uid,rss,args # the alignment gets messed up if rss is a high value, like 495000 (495 megabytes) [14:26:44] <hile_> any kiwis still alive in here? [14:26:50] <TomJ> no we killed them all [14:29:53] <codestr0m> McBofh: how would I be able to get more details from cc.. "cc: acomp failed for utils.c" prerun lint or? [14:29:54] <oxygene> TomJ: ps -o uid,rss,args |awk '{print $1,"\t",$2,"\r\t\t\t",$3;}' # ;) [14:30:01] <TomJ> :) [14:30:03] *** gausus_ is now known as gausus [14:30:11] <TomJ> actually I should have RTFMd [14:30:16] <McBofh> codestr0m: "prerun" ? [14:30:16] <TomJ> there's a = tag on -o [14:30:24] <TomJ> e.g. ps -o uid,rss="Resident Size", args [14:30:32] <McBofh> codestr0m: you could have a look at the actual errors which cc spat out [14:30:35] <McBofh> that would be more useful [14:30:41] <codestr0m> McBofh: no errors. .that's it [14:30:44] <codestr0m> that's the problem [14:31:11] <McBofh> what's the exit status code from your cc invocation? [14:31:15] <McBofh> (echo $? after running it ) [14:31:19] <codestr0m> gmake: *** [utils.o] Error 2 [14:31:44] <McBofh> gah [14:32:01] <McBofh> "2" is ENOENT == no such file or directory [14:32:06] <McBofh> codestr0m: I'll need more info [14:32:34] *** kgoetz has joined #opensolaris [14:33:26] <codestr0m> McBofh: http://rafb.net/p/VFU4FE89.html [14:33:35] <McBofh> ta [14:35:20] <TomJ> ah ha, got it: ps -e -o uid -o rss=ResidentSize -o args [14:36:57] <codestr0m> McBofh: you can see the file is there.. there's some inline asm in there.. not sure if that could be causing it [14:37:03] <McBofh> well, apart from the *UTTER* stupidity of "-xregs=no%frameptr" (which really fucks up your possibiliities of debugging in a sane fashioni), I don't see anything particularly wrong with it [14:37:12] <McBofh> but if you've got inline assembly, that's probably killing it [14:37:19] <McBofh> how large is utils.c? [14:38:53] <McBofh> ie, can you pastebin it? [14:41:10] <codestr0m> McBofh: 73K libavcodec/utils.c http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk/libavcodec/utils.c?revision=8642&view=markup [14:41:21] * McBofh views [14:41:59] <codestr0m> McBofh: wrong revision.. I was looking at 15467 [14:42:00] * hile_ yawns [14:42:28] *** mitrox has joined #opensolaris [14:43:10] <McBofh> I see c++ style comments, you'll want to add -xCC, and probably -xc99=%all, too [14:43:54] *** chris2 has joined #opensolaris [14:43:56] <McBofh> that's all that springs out first when I look at that code [14:44:31] <chris2> hi. i'm trying to figure out how much disk space milax needs when i install it... looking at http://www.milax.org/?p=17 i see 300mb? [14:45:09] *** vk5foss has quit IRC [14:45:19] *** Therion has joined #opensolaris [14:45:52] *** msg-on-a-wire has joined #opensolaris [14:46:45] <codestr0m> McBofh: I think that was exactly it.. [14:47:32] <codestr0m> I thought -xc99=%all was the default in SS12 [14:47:55] <McBofh> I dunno, haven't gone into the doco for it much just yet [14:49:16] <hile_> any of you kiwis alive in here? [14:49:41] <McBofh> hile_: prolly not - it's nearly 0100 for them unless kiwiland has already gone to DST, in which case it'll be nearly 0200 [14:52:22] <spanther> i got it back yay x) [14:53:54] *** luc^ has quit IRC [14:56:02] *** niq has joined #opensolaris [14:56:53] *** edgy has joined #opensolaris [15:01:24] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [15:01:35] <codestr0m> this error gmake: *** [libavcodec/libavcodec.a] Error 2 ( http://rafb.net/p/ssaBYd22.html ) means file not found? [15:02:02] <McBofh> no [15:02:13] <McBofh> lemme check something [15:02:31] <McBofh> what's the output of "cc -V" ? [15:02:53] <codestr0m> cc -V [15:02:53] <codestr0m> cc: Sun Ceres C 5.10 SunOS_i386 2008/07/10 [15:04:21] <McBofh> do you have a different version of the compiler available? [15:04:53] <codestr0m> yes.. I also have cc: Sun Ceres C 5.10 SunOS_i386 2008/04/04 [15:04:55] <edgy> Hi, I am reading about rbac and I usermod -A solaris.admin.usermgr.pswd,solaris.admin.usermgr.read myuser and expected that myuser would now do passwd anotheruser to change others password, no? [15:04:57] <codestr0m> , but it's not in my path [15:05:22] <McBofh> codestr0m: you don't have Sun Studio 12 or 11 somewhere? [15:05:24] <edgy> I also tried pfexec passwd anotheruser and still permission denied [15:05:55] *** Trede has joined #opensolaris [15:06:02] <codestr0m> McBofh: this is SS12.. both are.. one is the default installed with os2008* and the other is what I manually downloaded.. no SS11 to the best of my knowledge [15:06:20] <McBofh> no, SS12 would show this:: cc: Sun C 5.9 SunOS_i386 Patch 124868-06 2008/06/24 [15:07:22] *** rareearth has joined #opensolaris [15:07:37] <holcomb> 5.10 is studio express? [15:07:45] <McBofh> yeah [15:09:08] <codestr0m> McBofh: when I run sunstudio.. my about page says "Product Version: Sun Studio (Build 200806241219, Sun Studio 20080610) " should I install something different? [15:09:16] <McBofh> yeah [15:09:20] <McBofh> pull down Sun Studio 12 [15:09:51] <McBofh> http://wikis.sun.com/display/SunStudio/Home [15:10:22] *** chris_unix_dude has joined #opensolaris [15:10:27] <sartek> what's the diff between 12 and express ? [15:10:49] <McBofh> dunno [15:12:18] *** teknoprep has joined #opensolaris [15:12:20] <teknoprep> hi all [15:12:45] *** edgy_ has joined #opensolaris [15:12:47] <teknoprep> i am trying to install OpenSolaris on a Rackable Phantom 4 w/ 12 scsi hdd' connected to an LSI logic raid controller [15:12:56] <teknoprep> any reason why it just crashes on installation ? [15:14:26] <teknoprep> it doesn't get much further than the Grub Boot screen [15:14:29] <teknoprep> from the CD [15:14:44] <ballChalk> change the boot paramters to include -kv on the kernel line and try again [15:15:12] <ballChalk> it wont fix the problem but it may help you in debugging it [15:15:18] <codestr0m> McBofh: I'll dl the right thing.. I have "Sun Studio Express - July 2008 Build" http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/downloads/express/index.jsp [15:15:29] <jamesd> visting and reading the HCL can be quite helpful in these cases sun.com/bigamdin/hcl [15:16:20] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris [15:16:46] <teknoprep> ok [15:16:49] <teknoprep> ty ballChalk [15:16:53] <McBofh> teknoprep: what sort of raid controller? gimme specifics... [15:17:01] <teknoprep> let me go back there and look at it [15:17:25] <McBofh> codestr0m: I value the Express program for lots of things, but for a compiler I'm _much_ more content to stick with the version + patchlevel that they're using to build ON [15:17:34] *** Dar has quit IRC [15:18:23] <codestr0m> McBofh: yeah.. it looked like a bug, but also found something online which looked like it had been fixed [15:18:24] *** Hunger- has quit IRC [15:18:31] <teknoprep> McBofh, all it really says is MegaRaid U320 [15:19:45] *** Hunger- has joined #opensolaris [15:19:55] <McBofh> teknoprep: then you need the "lsimega" driver [15:20:03] <teknoprep> McBofh, is that included ? [15:20:07] <McBofh> I don't think that comes with the livecd, you probably have to download it [15:20:12] <teknoprep> oh [15:20:33] <teknoprep> is there like an OpenSolaris install DVD with tons of crap already included ? [15:21:04] <McBofh> yup [15:21:07] <McBofh> SXCE [15:21:21] <McBofh> but it's not a "livedvd", it's the "everything+kitchen sink" delivery [15:21:55] <teknoprep> cheers [15:22:29] <teknoprep> yeah don't really want a live cd [15:22:34] <teknoprep> i want to install .. use ZFS [15:23:02] <teknoprep> ZFS looks very easy to use.. and much better than any Linux implementation of RAID / Volumes / iSCSI / NFS [15:23:09] <Berny> opensolaris does install and use zfs too ;-) [15:23:30] <teknoprep> is it best to have the OS install onto a Hardware RAID 1 ? [15:23:39] <Berny> .oO(it's just missing a lot of things they couldn't fit on a single cdrom) [15:23:45] <teknoprep> then isntall ZFS to use the disk's that are left inside the system for zfs [15:24:04] <Berny> you can do a mirrored root with zfs as well [15:24:10] <teknoprep> hmm [15:24:17] <Berny> and stick the remaining disks into a pool for your data [15:24:36] <teknoprep> thats what i was planning [15:24:37] <teknoprep> ok [15:24:44] <teknoprep> i'll download the DVD and try things out [15:24:50] <teknoprep> hopefully it works [15:24:53] <Berny> zfs root makes liveupgrades very nice and easy... just running lu right now myself [15:25:04] <Berny> check the hcl for your other hardware [15:25:31] <teknoprep> http://www.sun.com/bigamdin/hcl [15:25:33] <teknoprep> does not exist [15:25:45] <Berny> its bigadmin [15:25:46] <teknoprep> nvm admin is not amdin [15:26:00] <Berny> btw whats your scsi controller again? [15:26:03] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [15:26:13] <McBofh> Berny: lsimega [15:26:24] <teknoprep> lol there is only one rackable system on the HCL [15:26:58] <Berny> right [15:27:12] *** gergap has joined #opensolaris [15:27:18] <gergap> hi [15:27:47] <teknoprep> well hopefully it works anyway [15:27:59] <Stric> teknoprep: .. eh.. how did you manage to find only 1? [15:28:00] <gergap> I just ported my software from opensolaris to sun solaris 9. Everything works but sem_timedwait is missing on solaris. [15:28:18] <gergap> Does anyone know how to replace this on solaris with another function? [15:28:20] <teknoprep> i put server in the top selection [15:28:24] <teknoprep> then rackable for manufac. [15:28:53] <Stric> ok, you want from the manufacturer Rackable.. not "a rackable machine" [15:29:14] <teknoprep> yes its a Rackable manufactured machine [15:29:19] <ballChalk> heh [15:29:45] <Stric> when talking about companies that have names that are easily confused, Capitalize Properly<tm> [15:29:58] <ballChalk> gergap: have you tried apropos sem on the sol9 machine? [15:29:59] <teknoprep> S.A.D. [15:30:01] <teknoprep> ? [15:30:05] <Stric> for less confusion [15:30:08] *** edgy has quit IRC [15:30:08] <teknoprep> np [15:30:14] <gergap> ballChalk: no [15:30:58] *** Robbino has joined #opensolaris [15:31:07] <ballChalk> gergap: it will list all the man pages (and therefore functions) that have 'sem' in it... hopefully one will ring a bell to help you figure out what it's called on sol9 [15:31:08] <CosmicDJ> Rackable is a company? [15:31:16] <Stric> CosmicDJ: yes [15:31:56] *** tsoome has quit IRC [15:32:00] <gergap> ballChalk: apropos seems not to work. I get an error. I've read in the internet that this POSIX function is missing on must unix systems. [15:32:04] <CosmicDJ> indeed, very confusing [15:32:18] <teknoprep> nice 3gigs in less than an Hour [15:32:20] <CosmicDJ> gergap: man catman [15:32:21] <teknoprep> ok bbiab [15:32:30] <ballChalk> right... run catman && apropos sem [15:32:31] <gergap> ballChalk: but there must be a workaround. other people will have the same problem too [15:32:36] <CosmicDJ> gergap: rebuild your index [15:32:37] <inZpoolTrouble> hi guys I posted earlier my trouble [15:32:44] *** storycrafter has joined #opensolaris [15:33:00] <inZpoolTrouble> regarding a zpool (raidz) that refuses to import [15:33:35] <inZpoolTrouble> did some more testing and running zdb -e zpoolid results in an error message that says I/O error [15:33:59] <ballChalk> i/o error on present media or absent? [15:34:06] <inZpoolTrouble> # zdb -e 12125153257763159358 [15:34:08] <inZpoolTrouble> zdb: can't open 12125153257763159358: I/O error [15:34:11] <Okona> inZpoolTrouble: what does /var/adm/messages say [15:34:38] <inZpoolTrouble> the ID is correct - if I use a fake one I get No such file or directory [15:35:02] <Okona> inZpoolTrouble: how are the drives connected? [15:35:19] <ballChalk> do you have enough disks present for proper raidz operation? [15:35:22] <inZpoolTrouble> nothing that seems to be related, Okona [15:35:33] <inZpoolTrouble> the disks are 6x1TB, [15:35:40] <inZpoolTrouble> 5+1 configuration [15:35:50] <inZpoolTrouble> all on the same onboard SATA2 controller [15:36:11] *** ejray has quit IRC [15:36:19] <inZpoolTrouble> zdb -l on all disks is able to list the labels perfectly correct [15:36:27] <Okona> what does zpool import say? cfgadm, iostat -En? [15:36:30] <inZpoolTrouble> to my eyes [15:36:41] <inZpoolTrouble> ok zpool import says: [15:36:49] <edgy_> Hi CosmicDJ [15:37:07] <inZpoolTrouble> # zpool import [15:37:08] <inZpoolTrouble> pool: ztank [15:37:08] <inZpoolTrouble> id: 12125153257763159358 [15:37:08] <inZpoolTrouble> state: FAULTED [15:37:08] <inZpoolTrouble> status: The pool metadata is corrupted. [15:37:10] <inZpoolTrouble> action: The pool cannot be imported due to damaged devices or data. [15:37:13] <inZpoolTrouble> The pool may be active on another system, but can be imported using [15:37:15] <inZpoolTrouble> the '-f' flag. [15:37:17] <inZpoolTrouble> see: http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-72 [15:37:20] <inZpoolTrouble> config: [15:37:23] <inZpoolTrouble> ztank FAULTED corrupted data [15:37:25] <inZpoolTrouble> raidz1 ONLINE [15:37:26] <turtle> wow that sucks hard [15:37:28] <inZpoolTrouble> c1t1d0 ONLINE [15:37:30] <inZpoolTrouble> c1t2d0 ONLINE [15:37:33] <inZpoolTrouble> c1t3d0 ONLINE [15:37:35] <inZpoolTrouble> c1t4d0 ONLINE [15:37:38] <inZpoolTrouble> c1t5d0 ONLINE [15:37:40] <inZpoolTrouble> c1t6d0 ONLINE [15:37:42] <hile_> got backups [15:37:43] <inZpoolTrouble> am not sure about cfgadm [15:37:45] <inZpoolTrouble> I just have to run cfgadm? [15:37:59] <edgy_> CosmicDJ: you told me to read about rbac and I am doing this but I am facing a problem understanding this auths [15:38:02] <Stric> inZpoolTrouble: use clipboard from topic instead [15:38:14] <inZpoolTrouble> not sure how to do that [15:38:17] <inZpoolTrouble> on irssi [15:38:18] <edgy_> CosmicDJ: I usermod -A solaris.admin.usermgr.pswd,solaris.admin.usermgr.read myuser and expected that myuser would now do passwd anotheruser to change others password, no? [15:38:33] <Stric> inZpoolTrouble: it's a web page [15:39:13] <inZpoolTrouble> willing to do but no idea how to use the topic clipboard on irssi [15:39:35] <hile_> open that URL in your browswer [15:39:38] <Stric> it's not irssi related.. it's a web page where you put in large amount of data and get an url back which you paste in irc [15:39:50] <inZpoolTrouble> sorry, which url? [15:39:58] <Stric> /topic [15:40:03] <inZpoolTrouble> ahhh [15:42:13] <inZpoolTrouble> Okona - iostat -En does not seem to present a problem [15:42:16] <inZpoolTrouble> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1215793 [15:43:06] <inZpoolTrouble> I cannot understand how even for a raidz this can happen [15:43:26] <inZpoolTrouble> and the zdb -l seems to say the individual disks are ok [15:43:27] <Okona> you seem to be inside a vm [15:43:32] <inZpoolTrouble> I am [15:43:40] <inZpoolTrouble> you are right [15:43:56] <inZpoolTrouble> in fact I installed snv90 on my Linux server [15:44:03] <inZpoolTrouble> as I did not trust fuse-zfs [15:44:12] <Okona> (understandable) [15:44:35] <inZpoolTrouble> it worked ok until yesterday [15:44:54] <Okona> might it be, that vmware tampers with the drives? [15:45:03] *** storycrafter has quit IRC [15:45:10] <inZpoolTrouble> I do not think so [15:45:15] <CosmicDJ> edgy_: http://ramge.org/solaris/index.php?/archives/14-Securing-your-servers-with-RBAC,-Part-II.html replace zfs with passwd [15:45:19] <Okona> did you try to zpool import -f ztank? [15:45:19] <inZpoolTrouble> this was working ok since May [15:45:21] <inZpoolTrouble> or Jun [15:45:40] <inZpoolTrouble> # zpool import -f ztank [15:45:40] <inZpoolTrouble> cannot import 'ztank': I/O error [15:46:00] <Okona> io error does not sound good to my ears... [15:46:02] <ballChalk> did you reboot the vm or something? [15:46:13] <inZpoolTrouble> many times :-( [15:46:16] <inZpoolTrouble> after the error [15:46:26] <inZpoolTrouble> nothing changes [15:46:32] *** _jabba has joined #opensolaris [15:46:43] <inZpoolTrouble> I also deeply regret I exported the pool [15:46:55] <inZpoolTrouble> it did not work but at least was recognized [15:46:56] <Okona> any log outputs in the host which may help? [15:46:58] <turtle> sounds like you're SOL :-( [15:47:10] *** Therion has quit IRC [15:47:27] <Okona> i'd try booting an opensolaris live cd and directly access the disks without the vm [15:47:28] <inZpoolTrouble> I am not an expert - some log examples that i might look at? [15:47:40] <ballChalk> have you like tried removing the zfs cache and trying agian? [15:47:50] <Okona> on linux /var/log/messages. but i'm no expert in vmware... [15:47:59] <inZpoolTrouble> remove the zfs cache - how do i do that please? [15:50:22] <inZpoolTrouble> I'll download the live CD and try booting it [15:50:28] <inZpoolTrouble> thanks for the suggestion [15:50:29] <CosmicDJ> hm what about good old scrubbing? wasn't that zfs's fsck? [15:50:47] <inZpoolTrouble> cannot scrub an unmounted pool :-( [15:50:54] <CosmicDJ> ah ok [15:51:01] <ballChalk> booting the livecd will negate the zfs cache, but it's in /etc/zfs/zpool.cache (i dont remember the default setting as i changed mine) [15:51:24] <Okona> inZpoolTrouble: look in /etc/zfs [15:51:29] <inZpoolTrouble> I dug on the forums and I found a post saying that Victor Latushkin helped someone with a pool that did not mount [15:52:24] <Okona> inZpoolTrouble: what was the output of cfgadm? [15:52:32] <inZpoolTrouble> he on this thread [15:52:33] <inZpoolTrouble> http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=68728&tstart=15 [15:52:40] *** surlyjake has joined #opensolaris [15:52:50] <Okona> inZpoolTrouble: that ist iostat -En [15:52:52] <inZpoolTrouble> # cfgadm [15:52:52] <inZpoolTrouble> Ap_Id Type Receptacle Occupant Condition [15:52:56] <inZpoolTrouble> c1 scsi-bus connected configured unknown [15:52:58] <Okona> not her please [15:53:03] <Okona> s/her/here/g [15:53:18] <Okona> use pastebin [15:53:24] <inZpoolTrouble> oops sorry [15:53:52] <inZpoolTrouble> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1215801 [15:53:55] *** _jabba has quit IRC [15:58:00] <Okona> does 'cfgadm -t c1' do anything? [15:58:24] <inZpoolTrouble> cfgadm: Configuration operation not supported [15:59:02] *** surlyjake has left #opensolaris [15:59:50] <inZpoolTrouble> Okona - you are perfectly right to ask me to try the livecd - this will eliminate any doubts about my software configuration [16:00:02] <inZpoolTrouble> I am downloading it as we speak [16:00:23] <inZpoolTrouble> I also renamed the zpool.cache [16:00:29] <inZpoolTrouble> should I reboot? [16:01:29] <inZpoolTrouble> I also looked into /var/log/messages and cannot see any error [16:01:35] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris [16:04:44] <holcomb> /var/adm/messages [16:06:09] <Okona> inZpoolTrouble: you can try rebooting [16:06:10] <inZpoolTrouble> ok trying to reboot it and will report back [16:07:34] *** msg-on-a-wire has left #opensolaris [16:07:41] <inZpoolTrouble> I get (and this is new as of yesterday) WARNING: Time-of-day chip unresponsive; dead batteries? upon boot [16:10:13] <Okona> are the batteries dead? [16:10:40] <inZpoolTrouble> looking at /var/adm/messages i see that the sdX drives that instead of sd1-d6 I see sd2-sd7 [16:10:52] *** rareearth has left #opensolaris [16:10:53] <inZpoolTrouble> the motherboard has less than 6 mo [16:12:57] *** chris_unix_dude has left #opensolaris [16:14:27] <ballChalk> maybe devfsadm -C would fix that.... but i would want more input from the rest of the channel [16:15:03] <inZpoolTrouble> zpool import ztank again gives i/o error [16:15:40] <inZpoolTrouble> but if it is indeed an i/o error, should it not show up in some log or another? [16:16:11] <ballChalk> why would your disks change from sd1->sd2? did you change anything (add/remove hardware) for the vm? [16:17:50] <inZpoolTrouble> I did try reorder the disks thinking that maybe teh cfg is read from the 1st and if I swap it maybe it will be read from another one - foolish of me [16:17:57] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [16:17:59] <inZpoolTrouble> it was 2am today [16:18:16] <inZpoolTrouble> in any case they are now where they were [16:19:27] <inZpoolTrouble> and running zdb -l on each of the 6 disks looks ok [16:19:31] <Stric> are any of the disks duplicated? [16:19:35] <ballChalk> i dunno... try devfsadm -C [16:19:45] <Stric> so you have for instance two of "virtual disk #1" and zero #2 ? [16:19:59] <inZpoolTrouble> no, for sure [16:20:08] <inZpoolTrouble> I double checked that [16:21:05] *** _teo_ has joined #opensolaris [16:22:23] *** bondolo has quit IRC [16:25:13] *** jamesd has quit IRC [16:26:14] *** chris_unix_dude has joined #opensolaris [16:26:49] *** mikl has quit IRC [16:27:55] <inZpoolTrouble> ok I pasted the result of zdb -l for each of the 6 disks here: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1215819 [16:32:39] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [16:33:38] <codestr0m> hile_: my patch I posted earlier for sun cc + mplayer reportedly is working with minor adjustments for someone no 32bit arch. and I'm trying to resolve the 64bit stuff if you want to relay the message [16:34:03] <codestr0m> performance sucks and codecs are disabled, but that'll be worked on and I'll hopefully send something upstream soon [16:34:14] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [16:34:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [16:37:00] <Okona> inZpoolTrouble: got any result from the live cd? [16:37:38] *** MattAFC has quit IRC [16:37:45] <inZpoolTrouble> just finished downloading it [16:38:00] <Okona> ok [16:38:02] <inZpoolTrouble> need to burn it and then boot the server [16:38:26] <Okona> you know if the sata controller is supported by Solaris? [16:38:58] <edgy_> CosmicDJ: thanks for the link ... [16:39:31] *** luisbg_ has joined #opensolaris [16:40:14] <inZpoolTrouble> hmmm [16:40:19] <luisbg_> is there a list somewhere of the supported laptops by opensolaris? I mean laptops that all hardware work (well, I can live without infrared or stuff like that) [16:40:37] <inZpoolTrouble> Okona - I think it is but am not sure [16:40:54] <inZpoolTrouble> I did install (for test purposes) snv89 on bare hardware [16:41:02] <inZpoolTrouble> and it worked [16:41:10] <Okona> ok, then it should work [16:41:19] <Okona> is this installation still around? [16:41:19] <inZpoolTrouble> then I realized I am way over my head in pure solaris [16:41:23] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [16:41:25] <inZpoolTrouble> no :( [16:41:29] <Okona> (-: [16:41:44] <inZpoolTrouble> I am only a lowly linux man [16:41:45] *** fr4g has joined #opensolaris [16:41:48] <inZpoolTrouble> at home [16:41:58] <Okona> that could change (-: [16:41:58] <inZpoolTrouble> and liked zfs very much [16:42:09] <Okona> understandable (-: [16:42:26] * Okona also has his Opensolaris Zfs homeserver [16:46:08] <codestr0m> McBofh: thanks. it was a compiler bug maybe.. with SS12 it compiles and runs just fine [16:53:07] <gergap> I cannot find atomic operation for Sun Solaris. Are there only avaiable for OpenSolaris? Is there a library available for Sun Solaris? [16:53:59] <jbk> man atomic_ops [16:54:30] <gergap> does not exist on Solaris 8 [16:55:27] <jbk> then you are on your own [16:55:35] <jbk> keep in mind solaris 8 is around 10 years old [16:55:57] <jbk> if you insist on using something so ancient, don't be surprised that it lacks features [16:56:17] <Stric> only 8 years ;) [16:59:23] *** seanmcg has quit IRC [17:00:03] <gergap> jbk: it's not my decission... [17:00:17] *** DannyJ has quit IRC [17:00:30] *** simonleinen has left #opensolaris [17:02:43] <tomww> Solaris 10 too has no 1:1 matching atomic_ops lib [17:02:47] <inZpoolTrouble> Okona I need to reboot [17:03:00] <Okona> inZpoolTrouble: make it so (-: [17:03:08] <inZpoolTrouble> in order to burn the CD [17:03:17] <inZpoolTrouble> I will get back asap [17:03:33] <tomww> but similar is available (needs some code changes to get code from outside of the solaris world working) [17:03:57] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [17:05:48] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris [17:05:52] *** stradi has quit IRC [17:06:28] *** piwi has quit IRC [17:10:11] *** rrrand has joined #opensolaris [17:12:43] <holcomb> is upgrading 10 to nv painful? [17:12:54] <holcomb> i don't see why it would be but i need some reassurance [17:13:00] *** jhfisc has left #opensolaris [17:13:30] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris [17:14:01] *** storycrafter has joined #opensolaris [17:14:29] *** Therion has joined #opensolaris [17:15:19] *** fotis has joined #opensolaris [17:15:34] *** fotis has left #opensolaris [17:16:06] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [17:16:36] *** inZpoolTrouble has quit IRC [17:17:29] *** juriskr has quit IRC [17:22:10] *** div8 has quit IRC [17:24:53] *** pix_ has joined #opensolaris [17:24:56] <pix_> Hello [17:25:09] <pix_> i'm sorry to disturbed this chan [17:25:15] <TomJ> So you should be [17:25:18] <TomJ> There's a strict no-talking rule in here [17:25:23] <pix_> ^^ [17:25:29] <Okona> (-: [17:25:33] <pix_> So :p [17:26:17] <pix_> i try to install solaris 2008.5 on vmware but the installation is bloqued on "Preparing live image for use" [17:26:26] <TomJ> which version of vmware? [17:26:35] <pix_> 2s :) [17:26:39] <TomJ> Server 2? [17:27:04] <TomJ> or did you mean "2 seconds"? :) [17:27:11] <Stric> or ss [17:27:16] <pix_> 2 secondes [17:27:19] <TomJ> ok [17:27:29] <pix_> no i think it's the last version. [17:27:40] <TomJ> tell me exactly what product name (Fusion / Server / Workstation?) and version number [17:27:45] <pix_> VMware Server 1.0.5 build-80187 [17:27:47] <TomJ> Ok [17:27:49] <TomJ> Use VMWare SErver 2 [17:28:04] <pix_> thx :) i will try ;) [17:28:13] <TomJ> Server 1 is really old and has poor Solaris support [17:28:17] <TomJ> http://www.vmware.com/freedownload/login.php?product=server20 [17:28:30] <pix_> thx :D [17:29:34] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [17:30:32] *** sartek has quit IRC [17:30:55] *** pix_ has quit IRC [17:31:09] *** pix_ has joined #opensolaris [17:32:35] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:32:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:34:23] *** stradi has joined #opensolaris [17:36:33] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris [17:37:52] *** carl- has quit IRC [17:42:29] *** derchris has quit IRC [17:42:34] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [17:48:08] <codestr0m> McBofh: I think I hit a bug in SS12 which has been patches.. http://rafb.net/p/cNM56C48.html however.. patchadd fails for me and I'm also pretty sure I haven't found the right patch for this specific issue [17:54:16] *** wms has joined #opensolaris [17:54:37] *** chris_unix_dude has quit IRC [17:55:16] *** jabba has joined #opensolaris [17:56:19] *** pix_ has quit IRC [17:58:04] *** jabba is now known as jabba_ [17:58:12] *** jabba_ is now known as jabba__ [18:01:07] *** jfndi_ has joined #opensolaris [18:02:06] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris [18:03:06] *** geh_meh_geh has joined #opensolaris [18:03:32] *** jhfisc has joined #opensolaris [18:04:44] *** crichardso has joined #opensolaris [18:05:48] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [18:05:59] *** luizxx has quit IRC [18:06:59] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris [18:07:01] *** msg-on-a-wire has joined #opensolaris [18:07:03] *** jhfisc has left #opensolaris [18:07:59] *** jfisc has quit IRC [18:12:53] *** Erwann has quit IRC [18:13:28] *** fr4g_ has joined #opensolaris [18:14:45] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC [18:15:26] *** phimic has left #opensolaris [18:18:43] *** ddwdq has joined #opensolaris [18:20:47] *** fr4g_ has quit IRC [18:22:09] *** fr4g has quit IRC [18:22:37] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [18:22:51] *** comay has quit IRC [18:24:37] *** ewdafa_ has quit IRC [18:26:37] *** DannyJ has joined #opensolaris [18:27:06] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [18:28:07] *** comay has quit IRC [18:28:27] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [18:29:02] *** comay has quit IRC [18:29:18] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [18:30:58] <ddwdq> hi, is there a way to save sound volume in opensolaris? [18:32:12] *** MattMan has quit IRC [18:33:20] *** mijenix has joined #opensolaris [18:33:21] <mijenix> hi [18:33:29] <mijenix> i did a pkg image-update [18:33:37] <mijenix> but how I update the files now? [18:33:38] <e^ipi> without reading the instructions, yeah [18:33:49] <mijenix> I've to activate the zfs changes? [18:33:52] *** InZpoolTrouble has joined #opensolaris [18:33:56] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [18:33:58] *** chumphries has joined #opensolaris [18:33:59] <e^ipi> update what files? image-update does that already [18:34:00] <mijenix> a little bit unclear at the moment [18:34:03] <InZpoolTrouble> Hi okona [18:34:21] <mijenix> e^ipi: wich instructions? [18:34:28] <InZpoolTrouble> I booted off the live CD [18:34:29] <mijenix> I read a blog entry [18:34:44] <InZpoolTrouble> no luck [18:34:51] <InZpoolTrouble> still getting the i/o error [18:34:56] <e^ipi> mijenix: nevermind, solution to a different problem... original CD's had a nasty IPS bug [18:35:05] <InZpoolTrouble> when trying to zpool import [18:35:25] <mijenix> ok [18:35:42] <mijenix> but is there a offical FAQ or wiki for how to update the system? [18:36:49] *** timsf has quit IRC [18:40:03] *** [jbasse] has left #opensolaris [18:42:22] *** sah-work has joined #opensolaris [18:42:41] <CosmicDJ> mijenix: well the officials would say: "wait until the next release before updating" :) [18:44:00] *** sailorvrz_ has joined #opensolaris [18:44:50] <thana> does solaris provide any standardizes starting point for documentation provided by installed packages? using debian i got used to look in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>. someting similar in solaris? [18:45:12] <e^ipi> the man pages? [18:45:26] <Stric> http://docs.sun.com :) [18:45:27] <InZpoolTrouble> Hi guys [18:45:27] <Doc> docs.sun.com [18:45:40] <Doc> and man man [18:45:59] <thana> e^ipi: i have to know the names of the manpages. but how am i supposed to them? [18:46:02] <InZpoolTrouble> can I ask if you know of any way to contact Victor Latushkin? [18:46:13] <Stric> InZpoolTrouble: yes, you can ask :P [18:46:18] <InZpoolTrouble> :-) [18:46:20] <TomJ> thana: catman ; apropos keyword [18:46:26] <InZpoolTrouble> ok consider it asked :-) [18:46:28] <TomJ> e.g. apropos dns [18:46:28] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [18:46:49] *** mikefut has quit IRC [18:46:57] <TomJ> (catman creates the apropos index, you run it every now and then after you install new man pages) [18:47:03] <TomJ> thana: and of course, docs.sun.com [18:47:20] *** ddwdq has left #opensolaris [18:48:14] <e^ipi> thana: the name of the command is the name of the manual page [18:48:46] *** luc^ has quit IRC [18:50:26] <oxygene> of course, if the package is some third party stuff, it might not come with documentation (manpages or otherwise) [18:50:42] <e^ipi> that's upstream's fault/problem [18:51:12] <e^ipi> so evidently the solution is 'some idiot's blog' [18:51:24] <holcomb> can someone pastebin an example menu.lst for 99? [18:51:28] <holcomb> i think i hosed something up [18:51:38] <e^ipi> (which i refuse to classify as 'documentation') [18:52:25] <trochej> InZpoolTrouble: You can start with RedCross [18:52:32] <thana> e^ipi: i dont [18:52:33] <thana> ' [18:52:33] <trochej> They look for lost families [18:52:37] <thana> grrr [18:52:53] <thana> e^ipi: but i dont know the name of the commands ;) [18:53:04] <TomJ> thana: what are you trying to do? [18:53:30] <thana> TomJ: find out the names of the commands configure it etc [18:53:37] <TomJ> WHICH commands? [18:53:38] *** stradi has quit IRC [18:53:54] *** DTEIT has quit IRC [18:54:00] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [18:54:19] <thana> TomJ: commands i need for the server to run. thats why i miss the starting point for documentation on the pc [18:54:30] <e^ipi> is it on? [18:54:46] <TomJ> the starting point is docs.sun.com [18:54:48] <e^ipi> i mean the machine, is it physically on? [18:54:53] <TomJ> Solaris 10 Administration Guide [18:54:55] <thana> of course [18:54:55] <e^ipi> and yes, see /topic [18:55:03] <e^ipi> thana: then it's running. problem solved. [18:55:10] <e^ipi> thana: now look at the /topic [18:55:13] <e^ipi> go to that URL [18:55:17] <thana> grrr [18:55:28] <e^ipi> the S10 SAG is really good. [18:55:40] <thana> i KNOW docs.sun.com but i asked for something installed on the machine -- if it does not exist ok, bad luck [18:56:00] <e^ipi> you're not making any sense... [18:56:12] *** rab has joined #opensolaris [18:56:13] <TomJ> you want to know the name of a command installed on your machine? how about truss? that's a command [18:56:19] <TomJ> tput is another one [18:56:23] <e^ipi> how about 'man' ? [18:56:39] <e^ipi> 'man man' for details [18:56:44] <TomJ> or nice, that one sounds friendly [18:56:46] <thana> *sigh* [18:57:45] <TomJ> The manpages are installed on your machine. For general documentation, see docs.sun.com [18:58:03] <e^ipi> thana: computers accomplish goals. we can't help you accomplish that goal unless you give some sort of clear indication of what your goal is, exactly [18:58:27] <TomJ> Also, any number of blogs, links on opensolaris.org, sun.com/bigadmin, http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howto_guides.jsp , etc [18:58:29] <thana> TomJ: yes i hoped this generel documentation about the *package* was installed with the package [18:58:33] *** mijenix has quit IRC [18:58:48] <e^ipi> thana: packages are just collections of files [18:58:59] <TomJ> thana: it is not. it's in the manpages, and fully explained in the Admin Guide on docs.sun.com [18:59:10] <thana> e^ipi: i do think i could write some documentation into one file [18:59:27] <thana> TomJ: yes i understood this point 5 minutes ago... [18:59:28] <e^ipi> thana: files have documentation, packages don't need it [19:00:58] *** tsoome has quit IRC [19:01:04] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [19:02:02] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris [19:02:26] *** zarqman has quit IRC [19:03:26] <CosmicDJ> thana: manpages are the general documentation; and they are installed with the package :) [19:04:04] <TomJ> CosmicDJ: (Actually, they're usually installed via a separate package.. ) :) [19:04:10] <thana> CosmicDJ: as i pointed out before you have to know the names of the manpages before reading them [19:04:28] <TomJ> We all seem to manage [19:05:13] <e^ipi> if you just want to read generic man pages for kicks, xman lets you browse them [19:05:15] <TomJ> If you want the docs on your system, then of course you can download the ZIPs: http://dlc.sun.com/zip/47.16.zip for the Solaris 10 SysAdmin COllection, http://dlc.sun.com/zip/8.45.zip for the Solaris 10 User Collection [19:05:15] <CosmicDJ> thana: TomJ already told you to use the apropos command [19:05:41] <TomJ> and many more on http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/prod/solaris.10 [19:06:20] <thana> CosmicDJ: i know that. why do you repeat it? [19:06:23] *** Trede has quit IRC [19:06:40] <TomJ> Because your follow up statement seemed to suggest you had not understood it [19:06:59] <e^ipi> thana: because either you're not explaining /exactly/ what you want to do and why... what purpose you're trying to achieve [19:07:02] <e^ipi> or you're not getting it [19:07:18] *** gergap has quit IRC [19:08:13] <CosmicDJ> thana: filesystem(5) should tell you where all the nifty little commands are hiding ;) [19:08:32] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris [19:09:11] <CosmicDJ> thana: ls(1) should tell you how to get list the contents of that directories; happy reading [19:09:24] <InZpoolTrouble> Okona, may I PM you please? [19:10:33] <codestr0m> is it supposed to be possible to patchadd and update things like SS12 on os2008* [19:10:39] *** nitrile has quit IRC [19:10:52] <TomJ> does os2008 even have patchadd? [19:10:56] <TomJ> I think it doesnt have showrev for example [19:11:05] <e^ipi> i'm pretty sure it doesn't [19:11:18] <e^ipi> it's not redistributable IIRC [19:13:22] <codestr0m> I found this http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/?itemid=59 [19:13:28] <codestr0m> , but looks kinda cludgy [19:13:51] <codestr0m> I'd mostly just like to make sure SS12 is up-to-date.. I'm hitting compiler bugs with -fast and mplayer [19:13:52] <TomJ> hehe "<temporarily removed>" [19:13:57] <TomJ> wonder if he got a polite email from Sun [19:14:10] <TomJ> codestr0m: and Indiana is your only system? [19:14:25] <codestr0m> TomJ: correct [19:14:36] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: now that sxce is using ss12, they should provide a ss12 tarball with patches included [19:15:13] <codestr0m> well. I agreed to all the licenses.. logged and and installed SS12 (not SS express) so just want to update [19:15:30] <codestr0m> the strange thing is.. where SSE dies.. SS12 will compile.. where SS12 dies. SSE will compile [19:16:55] <thana> e^ipi: what i was looking for was information about the software installed by package. confiruation files, how to use it (the software) maybe a short list of basic commands of the software and so on. as i mentioned i just got used to find that under /usr/share/doc [19:17:00] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris [19:17:39] <thana> e^ipi: i hope you understand me now, and YES i know that i'll find it on docs.sun.com [19:18:32] <e^ipi> thana: when you install a package, you install it because you want something from that package... so try checking the man pages for that funcitonality [19:18:46] <e^ipi> unless you're in to randomly installing packages [19:18:55] <e^ipi> in which case you may as well read random man pages [19:19:14] *** jfndi_ has quit IRC [19:19:18] <thana> e^ipi: i installed glassfishv2 package obviously it doesn't contain any manpage called glassfish oder glassfishv2 [19:19:36] <thana> e^ipi: so i search for something explaining how to use it [19:19:46] <e^ipi> glassfish is a non-trivial piece of software [19:19:54] <e^ipi> docs.sun.com has whole books on it [19:19:59] <thana> :) [19:20:30] <thana> i know it's not easy to use. but i'm new to opensolaris, not new to using a pc ;) [19:20:43] <e^ipi> evidently you're new to using glassfish [19:21:00] <e^ipi> if you think some simple online docs are enough to get going with it [19:21:33] *** Aria has joined #opensolaris [19:21:48] <thana> who said something about "simple"? [19:23:24] <TomJ> Anyway, however simple or complex, the packages don't normally come with the docs included. [19:26:24] <thana> yes that's what i assumed after the discussion. thank you [19:29:43] *** niq has quit IRC [19:31:44] *** luisbg_ has quit IRC [19:33:14] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [19:34:14] <TomJ> oh incidentally, Solaris 10 does actually come with a documentation CD [19:34:37] <TomJ> optional [19:35:12] *** chumphries_ has joined #opensolaris [19:35:31] *** coffman has quit IRC [19:39:02] <codestr0m> ok. now I know why the guy put the link for SUNWpkgcmds [19:39:29] <codestr0m> it was on os2008*, but I can't find the spec file and it's not available currently [19:39:59] <codestr0m> I'm sure I could fudge and get the files off IPS, but is there an easier way? 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[20:02:50] <e^ipi> well it asks you [20:02:57] <e^ipi> use the text installer if you want ZFS [20:02:58] <teknoprep> or will it give me a configuration sooner or later... its extracting the windowing system right now [20:03:09] <e^ipi> yeah, reboot that [20:03:13] <e^ipi> don't use the default install [20:03:15] <teknoprep> well what i have and want is... 12 HDD array... 2 HDD's are setup on RAID-1 for the OS [20:03:20] *** fr4g has quit IRC [20:03:24] <teknoprep> then i will setup ZFS [20:03:28] <teknoprep> for the other 10 HDD's [20:03:32] <teknoprep> or is that not the best way ? [20:03:34] <e^ipi> raid1 how? [20:03:41] <teknoprep> hardware raid 1 with lsimega [20:03:43] <e^ipi> why? just install on ZFS and use ZFS mirroring [20:03:50] <teknoprep> ok [20:03:51] <e^ipi> it's smarter [20:03:52] <teknoprep> will do [20:03:55] <teknoprep> i'll reboot [20:03:57] <teknoprep> bbiab [20:04:10] <e^ipi> yeah, you'll be given a handful of options ( 6 IIRC ) [20:04:27] <e^ipi> pick something interactive text [20:04:38] <InZpoolTrouble> pinging Okana ... :-) [20:04:45] <e^ipi> InZpoolTrouble: /msg. [20:04:48] <e^ipi> use it. [20:06:21] *** capaz has quit IRC [20:06:48] <spanther> @e^ipi nice :-) I've checked my notebook (ThinkPad R61 7742-NCG) and everythings available (nvidia drivers wifi 4965agn and network s-ata ahci controller and all this) :-) [20:07:02] *** cmihai has quit IRC [20:07:13] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [20:07:50] <spanther> only "Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller" (Solaris Driver: audiohd) has a yellow ! :-) [20:08:04] <e^ipi> spanther: so what, use the OSS drivers [20:08:23] <spanther> yes i will hehe and i think OpenSolaris will run well on it [20:08:31] <spanther> just need a media to burn the iso now lol [20:08:43] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [20:08:46] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [20:09:36] <e^ipi> sooner or later there's bound to be a netinstall [20:09:40] <e^ipi> <3 jumpstart [20:09:52] <e^ipi> ( s10 / sxce can be installed entirely media-free ) [20:10:02] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [20:10:02] <spanther> well i am happy about a full install CD since i dont like netinstalls :-) they require internet to run heh [20:10:10] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [20:10:11] <e^ipi> no they don't [20:10:13] <holcomb> lol [20:10:27] <e^ipi> net install implies that you install it over your internal network [20:10:37] <spanther> aren't netinstall CD's small ones with basic runtimes who download all needed files? [20:10:41] <e^ipi> no [20:10:59] <spanther> lol but at linux they call them Netinst too and its internet :) [20:11:02] <spanther> confusing ^^ [20:11:16] <e^ipi> yeah, but linux calls what they've got a 'real operating system' too [20:11:29] <spanther> :> [20:11:33] <e^ipi> best to just pretend they don't exist and forget any of their nomenclature [20:11:51] <spanther> i better use real unix than a clone :) [20:12:14] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [20:12:22] <sstallion_work> meh [20:12:32] <sstallion_work> i've never agreed that cmd constitutes an OS as GNU suggests [20:13:06] <sstallion_work> ultimately it all resolves down to syscalls anyway, so one run time really isnt any different from another [20:14:10] <spanther> which free tool (for vista) burns iso? [20:14:46] <e^ipi> *shrug* [20:14:52] <e^ipi> never used vista [20:14:54] <CosmicDJ> cdrecord is also available on windows, right? [20:15:06] *** alanc_away is now known as alanc [20:15:07] <e^ipi> haven't used windows in almost 10 years [20:15:11] <spanther> @e^ipi i have to use it for games :-) [20:15:20] <e^ipi> i have a playstation [20:15:23] <sstallion_work> spanther: code instead :P [20:15:37] <e^ipi> i also have very little time for games [20:15:38] <spanther> sstallion_work lol ^^ [20:15:51] <e^ipi> it's more fun anyways [20:15:53] <sstallion_work> trust me, a night with mdb is more fulfilling than a night of playstation :P [20:15:59] <e^ipi> ( coding vs. games, i mean ) [20:16:04] <spanther> i need action sometimes coding just isn't cool enough sometimes i just need explosions and all this machinegun crap you know x) [20:16:29] <e^ipi> that's what heavy metal is for [20:16:31] <CosmicDJ> spanther: but he's right, if those millions of world of warcraft adictives would do smth productive... [20:16:34] <sstallion_work> spanther: thats why we have panics :) [20:16:44] <spanther> panics? o.o [20:16:51] <spanther> dont tell me we have bluescreen <.< [20:16:57] <sstallion_work> and I have to admit, I tend to blast metal as well :) [20:17:02] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: i could never get why people would want to play that godawful game [20:17:14] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: it's like a job that you pay to go to... it's just drudgery [20:17:31] <e^ipi> and not in the same way that puzzle games are (sudoku, what have you ) [20:17:46] <e^ipi> those at least have a payoff of sorts [20:17:52] <sstallion_work> spanther: think about it. you have the privilege of working with one of the most advanced pieces of software ever engineered... who *wouldn't* want to ? [20:18:15] <sstallion_work> at least thats how I look at it ;) [20:18:21] <spanther> sstallion_work i never said that one thing cant work together with another one :-) [20:18:34] <spanther> i still could learn coding for the fun of it while playing games sometimes :P [20:19:00] <e^ipi> word of advice, don't go in to the games industry [20:19:04] <sstallion_work> does anyone remember the indiana jones'esque game that came out when ss12 was released ? [20:19:12] *** Luria has joined #opensolaris [20:19:16] <e^ipi> shitty work with low pay and constant stress [20:19:30] <spanther> @e^ipi nah dont worry i won't program games myself since they are many months of hard work for some hours of fun heh :) its not worth the work mostly [20:19:30] <sstallion_work> each area is a little different [20:19:39] <sstallion_work> I work in middleware during the day, and systems coding at night [20:19:51] <sstallion_work> spanther: years, not months :) [20:20:00] <Luria> quick question, how do i force opensolaris 10 to *reacquire* a dhcp lease? [20:20:04] <e^ipi> game dev cycle is 2 years [20:20:13] <sstallion_work> besides, I'm a math guy, not physics [20:20:13] <spanther> depending on the game and the engine (how easy it is to create stuff after the engine and sandbox runs) x) [20:20:27] <e^ipi> spanther: nope, 2 years [20:20:37] *** timsf1 has quit IRC [20:20:42] <sstallion_work> Luria: solaris 10 you mean ? [20:20:43] <sstallion_work> man ifconfig [20:20:47] <spanther> but its annoying to build them i do play them but i wont program them otherwise its no fun to play them anymore cause i know them completely lol :) [20:20:50] <sstallion_work> pay particular attention to the dhcp subcmds [20:21:12] <Luria> ok, thought dhcp start would do it, but ill check again [20:21:17] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris [20:21:36] <e^ipi> spanther: games companies are always looking for testers [20:21:39] <spanther> well since my thinkpad is a work notebook i think sound isnt "needed" that much so i could live without sound too :) its fine for solaris [20:22:04] <spanther> @e^ipi i won't do that... playing every scene thousands of times to check all holes in the maps is just annoying and zero fun :) [20:22:28] <e^ipi> you also get paid minimum wage (seriously) and treated like shit by the software devs [20:22:49] <spanther> yep :/ [20:23:12] <spanther> they wanna make big cash and you get kicked for not working faster heh [20:23:40] <spanther> well....it seems that my burner is damaged -.- [20:24:05] *** jerivard has joined #opensolaris [20:24:09] *** timsf has left #opensolaris [20:24:31] <spanther> have to copy the iso to my notebook now cause this burner still rewrites my cd-rw :) [20:24:33] *** geh_meh_geh has quit IRC [20:25:32] <spanther> um by the way what's the best programming language for writing code in solaris? [20:25:49] <spanther> maybe easy to learn too if thats possible :) [20:25:49] <sstallion_work> which ever one meets the need [20:26:00] <sstallion_work> what do you want to write ? [20:26:03] <InZpoolTrouble> hi guys, I have an update re: my zpool troubles [20:26:10] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris [20:26:13] <spanther> well i thought i could just learn one but this right and then build apps :( [20:26:25] <InZpoolTrouble> posted it at http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=76960&tstart=0 [20:26:58] <sstallion_work> most modern languages have roots in C. Java also has roots in C; depending on what you are wanting to accomplish either language could be a good first. [20:26:59] <InZpoolTrouble> basically I now got the pool to show as online [20:27:08] <InZpoolTrouble> but still cannot import it [20:27:27] <spanther> sstallion so you say C# ? [20:27:33] <sstallion_work> just don't do something silly and choose something like C# or C++ [20:27:40] <spanther> lol okay xDDD [20:28:13] <sstallion_work> personally I prefer java over c++ for an OO language [20:28:27] <spanther> omg you all will hate me so much over time i think :x i stayed so child in my soul lol [20:28:34] <spanther> OO ? [20:28:39] <sstallion_work> object oriented [20:28:53] <spanther> so a GUI app you mean? [20:28:55] <sstallion_work> sounds like java is right up your alley :) [20:29:06] <sstallion_work> no, its a programming paradigm [20:29:09] <spanther> java reminds me about "looking glass" which rocks x) [20:29:37] <sstallion_work> oo is just another way of looking at the same problem and solving it differently [20:29:50] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris [20:30:18] <spanther> well if possible i wanna learn a (at best) as independent as much programming language [20:30:34] <sstallion_work> that would be java [20:30:38] <nemski> ewww [20:30:42] <spanther> life's short so i won't waste time in learning the wrong thing you know :) [20:31:12] <sstallion_work> if you are wanting to do more systems level stuff, learn C. [20:31:20] <sstallion_work> either one are fine as a first language [20:31:27] <sickness> I won't waste time learning *anything* at all, if I could ;P [20:32:14] *** crichardso has quit IRC [20:32:27] <nemski> learning isn't wasting time [20:32:29] <sstallion_work> C was my first language in the mid nineties, but had to learn Java out of college to get a job and have picked up many languages since... if you do this for a living you will be learning more than just one language [20:32:30] <teknoprep> spanther, isoburner [20:32:31] <nemski> it's good for the rbain [20:32:56] <spanther> teknoprep sry to late now i allready took ISOrecorder by alex fei(something) lol [20:33:19] <teknoprep> spanther, yeah thats it.. not isoburner [20:34:02] <spanther> okay and i shortened the NTFS partition with drive manager in vista so i have 80gb free space left now and 60gb used on notebook so i can build up to 3 partitions (primarys) [20:35:27] <spanther> since i plan to use my notebook for work too (repair service) i have to have windows on it too :) [20:35:35] <spanther> need to have sry lol [20:35:44] *** iceq has quit IRC [20:36:09] <spanther> will nimbus as design stay for OpenSolaris forever? 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[21:17:27] <spanther> do i have to register OpenSolaris with this desktop icon? [21:17:48] <bda> No. [21:17:55] <spanther> ok :) [21:18:49] <Luria> gah the one guy who compiled freenx for opensolaris... his blog/site went down halfway through the download [21:19:03] <e^ipi> SSGD is lovely [21:19:20] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris [21:20:10] <Luria> is there a good guide for *n*x users coming to opensolaris [21:20:15] <e^ipi> use ssgd? [21:20:24] *** sailorvrz__ has joined #opensolaris [21:20:33] <CosmicDJ> Luria: http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/sysadmin_guide.pdf [21:20:47] <e^ipi> i thought Luria was still talking about freenx [21:20:55] <h3sp4wn> Is SSGD priced so for a single user its at all practical ? [21:21:17] <Luria> CosmicDJ, ta [21:21:20] <h3sp4wn> (Anyway for me virtualgl / turbo vnc performs much better than nx ever did) [21:21:21] <e^ipi> i thought it was only $100 or so [21:21:24] *** MeP3aBeu has joined #opensolaris [21:21:36] <e^ipi> i've spent more money on less useful things [21:21:42] <Luria> really? freenx has been great on debian [21:22:05] <e^ipi> Luria: that's because you've never used SSGD before and seen how much better it is [21:22:10] <Luria> only thing is vnc and rdp have more platform support clientwise [21:22:15] <h3sp4wn> I don't object to paying $100 for it if I can just easily do it online [21:22:34] <CosmicDJ> h3sp4wn: you're using Sun Visualization? [21:23:06] <h3sp4wn> CosmicDJ: Its a blade 1000 with an xvr-1000 , 2cpu's , 4gb ram [21:23:21] <h3sp4wn> So if thats sun opengl then yes [21:23:30] *** e^ipi changes topic to "SXCE 99, ON 99, IPS 98 || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca" [21:23:41] <CosmicDJ> hm I thought Visualization was about moving the graphics hardware into the datacenter right next to the server [21:23:50] <e^ipi> Luria: there, now... /topic [21:23:54] <e^ipi> rosetta stone is lovely [21:24:22] <h3sp4wn> CosmicDJ: Well I think it is but that only works with the sun closed opengl [21:24:34] <Luria> ah nice [21:24:37] <h3sp4wn> and as my xvr-1000 uses that then I can do it [21:24:54] <hohum> rosetta stone should release a language CD for sys admins :) [21:25:13] <e^ipi> "speak AIX in only 21 days" [21:25:14] <e^ipi> ? [21:25:28] <hohum> exactly [21:25:29] <CosmicDJ> h3sp4wn: ok but why do you use virtualGL/turbovnc when you have your noisy/hot workstation in front of you? [21:25:31] <Luria> its like the universal command guide, only not from 2002 [21:25:44] <h3sp4wn> CosmicDJ: Because its noisy its in the garage [21:25:52] <CosmicDJ> ah ok :) [21:26:05] <e^ipi> 2002 is relatively recent in the history of a 30 year old operating system [21:26:29] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [21:26:41] <Luria> the ucg covers more than *nix [21:27:18] *** myself has quit IRC [21:27:25] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris [21:27:32] <e^ipi> Luria: by the by, how does it make sense to shorten lin*U*x as *nix ? [21:27:59] <Luria> didnt do that the first time. second time, just lazy [21:28:00] *** spanther has quit IRC [21:28:29] <e^ipi> we all know that linux is not unix ( acronyms, yeah! ) i'm mostly just wondering why it persists [21:28:37] *** InZpoolTrouble has quit IRC [21:28:40] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [21:28:42] <e^ipi> not really directed at you, you just reminded me of it [21:28:46] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris [21:29:00] <Luria> meh, once os/x became unix officially, i really stopped caring [21:29:25] <e^ipi> meh, they pass the test suites [21:29:33] <teknoprep> hmm i can't even get opensolaris to install [21:29:34] <teknoprep> lol [21:29:41] <teknoprep> i'll bbiab [21:29:44] *** vmlemon_ has joined #opensolaris [21:30:37] <teknoprep> linux *nix / grammer police / who f'n cares [21:30:42] <Luria> meh, try deleting a user without the gui. hilarity and cruft ensue. a unix that *needs* a gui for user administration is no unix at all [21:31:18] <Luria> teknoprep, sometimes, rarely, it matters [21:31:32] <e^ipi> if you're trying to write portable applications you care [21:31:37] <Luria> esp with linux vs the rest b/c of the gnu userland [21:31:58] <e^ipi> which fails the standards tests [21:32:02] <e^ipi> pretty badly too [21:33:46] <CosmicDJ> that's why they created their own LSB ;) [21:34:01] <Luria> yeah, i did my biennial openbsd install a few days ago. it was kinda... nice. [21:34:05] <e^ipi> because it's easier to make a new standard than follow the established ones [21:34:13] <Luria> still, i really like debian [21:34:13] *** Odin- has quit IRC [21:34:26] <Luria> even ubuntu [21:34:36] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [21:34:37] *** derchris^ has joined #opensolaris [21:34:39] <e^ipi> meh, i've got this weird affinity for engineering quality [21:34:41] *** derchris has quit IRC [21:34:58] <h3sp4wn> The solaris c++ compiler seems to fail with alot of stuff that works on everything else even if it impliments a specific standard perfectly then if it works with icc / visual studio / comeau just without any messing around [21:35:21] <Luria> that's not weird. idk, debian is pretty solid. [21:35:46] <e^ipi> Luria: then you haven't used anything else to have a comparison with [21:35:53] <Luria> sure i have [21:36:06] <CosmicDJ> h3sp4wn: make yourself familiar with -libarary=stlport4 [21:36:37] <Luria> e^ipi, seriously, how would you know what i've used? [21:36:43] <h3sp4wn> CosmicDJ: I have tried that but it seems its not complete [21:36:47] <hohum> h3sp4wn: you can install the GNU toolchain if you don't like Sun's [21:37:13] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC [21:37:15] <e^ipi> Luria: just sayin'... in comparison with everything else, linux is pretty bad [21:37:17] *** sailorvrz_ has quit IRC [21:37:35] <e^ipi> and they try to dismiss the bugs as features ( OOM killer... 0 [21:38:10] <hohum> solaris evangelism :) [21:38:23] <Luria> e^ipi, wasn't talking about linux. just debian. i miss aptitude on other systems. [21:38:36] <e^ipi> nah, i like freebsd and openbsd as well, both well put together operating systems [21:38:40] <h3sp4wn> hohum: I use suns and its fine (I try to avoid c++ if I can help it completely but I get given examples that are sometimes in c++ and its a pita fighting with sunpro for those) [21:38:46] <CosmicDJ> h3sp4wn: IIRC -features=extensions was also needed to get union's to compile [21:38:56] <CosmicDJ> (anonymous) [21:39:17] <smtms> "however they lack in the engineering department, the support department, the feature department, and they dont run Java properly!" [21:39:32] <Luria> yeah, openbsd is great. still like apt over pkgs/ports [21:39:42] <ballChalk> bah, people would rather talk about openbsd instead of netbsd? :P [21:40:00] <Luria> ballChalk, forks are sexy. [21:40:08] <Luria> parents are not [21:40:23] <ballChalk> "FreeBSD and NetBSD" - the BSDs [21:40:26] <smtms> ballChalk, NetBSD? is that still alive? :-) [21:40:55] <CosmicDJ> smtms: yes it is, and it'll include the first true jounaled FS on *bsd [21:41:03] *** jfisc has quit IRC [21:41:04] <hohum> the only reason netbsd is still alive is because you can run it on anything from a computer, to a PS3, to a toaster :) [21:41:07] <Luria> im thinking of moving my sparcstation 5 to netbsd tho... [21:41:18] <ballChalk> netbsd is actively developed... [21:41:24] <Luria> hohum, why not the toast too? [21:41:25] <ballChalk> and will have more features than openbsd ever will [21:41:37] <Luria> you say features, i say holes. [21:41:40] <hohum> Luria: the microchips would cut up your gums [21:41:46] <ballChalk> then openbsd is your cup of tea... [21:41:58] <smtms> ballChalk, however, it'll never match OpenBSD for networking [21:42:09] <hohum> yeah [21:42:17] <ballChalk> i dont know the specifics, but i dont see openbsd useful for any more than corner cases [21:42:20] <hohum> OpenBSD is on the bleeding edge for network applications [21:42:33] <hohum> OpenBGPD, PF, OpenOSPF [21:43:01] <hohum> carp [21:43:12] <smtms> the best about networking in OpenBSD is that all parts are part of a whole [21:43:14] <hohum> carp came out of the OpenBSD project [21:43:17] <hohum> so did OpenSSH [21:43:17] <Luria> i wish there were a backtrack like os built off openbsd [21:43:52] <smtms> CARP still doesn't have proper replay protection :-) [21:44:31] <hohum> replay protection? [21:44:41] <smtms> hohum, have you heard of replay attacks? [21:44:52] <teknoprep> so... the ability to use ZFS for the root partition is restricted to using text mode only ? [21:44:58] <teknoprep> when i do an install [21:45:20] <hohum> smtms: I'm reading about it now [21:45:32] <hohum> I'm doing with a cluster of F5s now what I used to do with CARP [21:48:05] *** fr4g__ has quit IRC [21:49:29] *** fr4g__ has joined #opensolaris [21:50:00] *** TBCOOL has quit IRC [21:50:26] *** niq has joined #opensolaris [21:51:45] <teknoprep> wow opensolaris is a PITA to get installed [21:51:48] <teknoprep> tons of errors [21:51:55] <e^ipi> unsupported hardware? [21:52:21] <teknoprep> possibly [21:52:25] <e^ipi> ( also EWORKSFORME ) [21:52:51] <TomJ> Any suggestions for installing packages from a FLAR file? That is, I have an OS installation, and I have a FLAR file of a different OS installation (both Solaris 10 5/08, but different patches etc.) That FLAR has a bunch of installed packages that I want to put onto my installed OS. I could trawl /var/sadm/install/contents to get packing lists and copy all those files, but any other way? [21:54:04] *** twisti is now known as twisti_work [21:54:05] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [21:57:26] *** msg-on-a-wire has left #opensolaris [22:01:00] *** anilg has quit IRC [22:02:34] *** vmlemon_ has quit IRC [22:03:37] <hile_> create a differentail flar and extract that? [22:03:42] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris [22:04:20] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris [22:04:37] *** Fish has quit IRC [22:04:56] *** noyb has quit IRC [22:05:45] <TomJ> hile_: ah yes of course, so extract the FLAR, then run flarcreate relative to / and /extracted/flar/ and then install the new incremental flar? [22:06:02] <TomJ> I need to do flar split and then manually extract the 'archive' file, right? [22:06:07] *** Odin- has quit IRC [22:06:33] *** Therion has quit IRC [22:11:04] <thebentzone> well, that gets you the files, but none of the package information... [22:13:31] <TomJ> why so? [22:13:41] <TomJ> wouldn't the differential FLAR take care of that? [22:14:50] *** hspaans has joined #opensolaris [22:14:52] *** Therion has joined #opensolaris [22:15:53] *** libkeise1 has joined #opensolaris [22:16:15] <hspaans> g'day all [22:16:23] *** asarch has quit IRC [22:16:35] *** ninjaslim has quit IRC [22:18:19] *** evocallaghan has quit IRC [22:22:52] <thebentzone> no. because the information in the contents file is lost. so either you get the old contents file, or you get the new contents file... [22:23:00] <thebentzone> either way is bad [22:23:44] <thebentzone> but you're better off with the Solaris files being in the contents file, and not having the package contents, as opposed to the package contents and having the solaris files not match [22:24:02] <TomJ> I'm confused, you're saying a differential FLAR is not capable of merging the packaging database? [22:24:06] <TomJ> how then can a differential FLAR ever be used? [22:24:26] <thebentzone> I supposed you could extract those entries from the orriginal and apply them to the contents file [22:25:30] <thebentzone> I'm not sure. maybe it can. I've never seen it done successfully, but then again, I haven't tried in years [22:26:11] *** chris2 has quit IRC [22:27:37] <TomJ> ok I'll look into it, thanks [22:28:01] *** libkeiser has quit IRC [22:28:57] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [22:30:11] *** zarqman has joined #opensolaris [22:31:21] *** jgracin has quit IRC [22:33:01] *** fexy has quit IRC [22:35:29] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [22:35:58] *** Rarok has quit IRC [22:36:07] *** Rarok has joined #opensolaris [22:36:19] *** Rarok has quit IRC [22:40:43] <jbk> anyone heard if someone's working on a ss12 tarball for ON? [22:40:47] *** mikl has joined #opensolaris [22:40:50] *** xRaich[o]2x has left #opensolaris [22:40:58] <alanc> jbk: have heard someone is working on it [22:41:23] <jbk> cool [22:42:17] *** medar has quit IRC [22:42:39] <jbk> might just wait for that to finish up this patch [22:43:13] *** mikefut has quit IRC [22:43:26] *** evocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [22:49:40] *** ninjaslim has joined #opensolaris [22:50:00] <kRutOn> hm, SXCE b99 boots to grub [22:50:10] <stogel> hey how is everybody today [22:50:13] <stogel> oh sxce99 now eh [22:50:13] <stogel> nice [22:52:51] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [22:55:05] <jbk> on an unrelated note, do all core 2 duo cpus support the vx extensions? [22:55:18] *** hspaans has quit IRC [22:55:21] <stogel> no idea on that one [22:55:48] <TomJ> yes I believe so [22:57:57] <stogel> need some outside the box help here... [22:58:22] <stogel> I've got a machine on a network that doesn't allow incoming connections...At the same time I have another machine outside that network, completely accessible by the internet (all incoming/outgoing connections open) [22:58:29] <h3sp4wn> jbk: not all bios's allow you to enable them [22:58:30] <phrost> jbk: no, the cheaper ones don't [22:58:48] <stogel> When i setup an ssh port forward (i.e. ssh -R), it ssh tunnels all connections to wanbox:9999 to lanbox:21 (so that i can connect to the ftp on it) [22:59:07] <stogel> however, the problem is that the ftpd sees the connection as coming from 10.8.8.1 (my router) or 127.0.0.1 (localhost) and thus doesn't work... [22:59:46] <stogel> Any ideas how i'd access an ftp behind a firewall blocking all incoming conections? Idea was to get the control connection to go over the ssh tunnel and the data to be sent directly, but that won't work if it sees the ip of the ftp client as 127.0.0.1 (since that's where the tunnels ends) [23:00:10] <TomJ> passive mode? [23:01:17] <stogel> yeah exactly, but even when i turn off pasive mode (force port mode), it still doesn't see their real ip [23:01:52] <TomJ> why does it need to see their real IP? [23:02:14] <stogel> i don't want all the data traffic to go over the ssh tunnel [23:02:26] <stogel> was hopeing i'd be able to set something up where the control goes over the ssh tunnel but the data goes directly [23:02:33] <stogel> otherwise i'm wasting 3x b/w on all data xfers [23:02:53] <TomJ> dont know on that, maybe there's a FTP command to set an arbitrary IP/port [23:02:59] <TomJ> if not, it's not possible [23:03:03] <stogel> ...these machines are all gigE, so that could be a significant amount of wasted b/w [23:03:05] <stogel> hmmmm [23:03:10] <stogel> alright thanks for the input [23:03:22] <stogel> was hoping someone else has tried something similiar in the past and coule provide insight [23:04:13] <TomJ> why is it 3 x b/w BTW? [23:04:25] <TomJ> have No-Incoming box ssh to Ok-Box and setup the tunnel [23:04:32] <TomJ> traffic still flows between only those two boxes [23:04:38] *** MeP3aBeu has quit IRC [23:04:43] <TomJ> only overhead is now it's encrypted, but that's not a b/w hit [23:04:53] *** surlyjake1 has joined #opensolaris [23:05:45] *** TomJ is now known as C [23:05:49] <Stric> stogel: do you need to ftp? why not scp, which doesn't care about what ip you have.. [23:05:49] *** C is now known as TomJ [23:06:22] *** surlyjake1 has left #opensolaris [23:06:28] *** Gman_ has joined #opensolaris [23:06:45] *** Gman has quit IRC [23:11:47] *** luizxx has joined #opensolaris [23:12:13] <stogel> well [23:12:18] <stogel> person connects and pulls a file [23:12:22] <stogel> lanbox has to send the file to wanbox [23:12:26] <stogel> then wanbox has to send the file to the person [23:12:31] *** TBCOOL has joined #opensolaris [23:12:38] <stogel> those if it's a 5GB file, it's 5GB from lanbox to wanbox and 5GB from wanbox to the client [23:12:44] <stogel> 15GB instead of 5GB [23:13:09] <stogel> stric, i'll give that a shot actually. That was my next step anyhow, i just find it easier to manage virtual users and such with ftp (proftpd/pure-ftpd) as opposed to sftp/scp [23:13:32] <Stric> it is.. but FTP is a broken protocol. see for instance your problems ;) [23:13:57] <Stric> but how does 5+5=15 ? [23:14:19] <stogel> there's 3 5's [23:14:27] <stogel> from my local network to the wan accessible network [23:14:32] <stogel> oh wait [23:14:36] <stogel> your right only 10GB not 15 [23:14:36] <Stric> "it's a 5GB file" doesn't make a 5GB transfer [23:14:39] <stogel> i miscalculated [23:14:48] <stogel> oh wait [23:14:49] <stogel> no [23:14:51] <stogel> 3x bandwidth [23:15:03] <stogel> because i have to pay for the 5GB xfer from my local network to the wan box [23:15:07] <stogel> then 5GB xfer incoming on the wan box [23:15:12] <stogel> and then 5GB outgoing xfer on the wan box [23:15:21] <stogel> not to mention the 5GB incoming xfer on the clients box [23:15:33] <Stric> I'm lost on which machine is which and how they are connected [23:15:41] <stogel> hehehe [23:15:45] <stogel> never mind you understnad the problem though [23:15:56] <stogel> its less efficient to tunnel all traffic through an outside box tha nto send directly from the local box to the client [23:15:58] <Stric> serverA -> serverB: 5GB. serverA -> you -> serverB: 10GB [23:15:59] *** fr4g__ has quit IRC [23:16:00] <stogel> client = the person requesting the file [23:16:08] <stogel> wanbox = the server outside of the private lan, which is unrestricted [23:16:16] <stogel> lanbox = the fileserver that holds the data, that the client is trying to access [23:16:48] <stogel> well serverB needs 5GB to receive the file [23:16:49] *** medar has joined #opensolaris [23:16:51] <stogel> and 5GB to send it off to the client [23:17:14] <stogel> so it's actually serverA 5GB outgoing -> serverB 5GB incoming -> serverB 5GB outoging to client [23:17:32] <Stric> instead of? [23:18:09] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC [23:18:10] *** cmihai has quit IRC [23:18:21] <stogel> instead of [23:18:28] <stogel> control connection goes through wanbox to lanbox [23:18:33] <stogel> but connections go directly from lanbox to client [23:18:37] <stogel> no wanbox involved in xfers [23:18:39] <stogel> only in the control connection [23:18:48] <stogel> outbound connections are fine, i can send files anywhere with the lanbox [23:18:51] <stogel> i just can't receive any connections [23:19:20] <stogel> i think that scp may solve the problem though, as long as i tell it to bind to an ip that has nothing todo with the ssh tunnel [23:19:23] <TomJ> is there one client or could there be many arbitrary clients? [23:19:32] <stogel> i.e. if i tell it to use its 10.8.8.x lan address for all connections, maybe no data will go over the tunnel [23:19:36] *** Luria has quit IRC [23:19:37] <stogel> many arbitrary clients [23:19:39] <stogel> well not many [23:19:42] <stogel> but probably ~15 [23:19:43] <stogel> it's a backup server [23:20:15] <TomJ> is it ok for the clients to have an ssh login to lanbox? [23:20:20] <stogel> yup [23:20:24] <stogel> well [23:20:25] <stogel> yes and no [23:20:26] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [23:20:27] <stogel> that's the probem [23:20:28] <stogel> before it was not [23:20:30] <Stric> and the backup server is firewalled to canada and back so noone can connect to it? [23:20:32] *** surlyjake2 has joined #opensolaris [23:20:33] <stogel> but if i have to, i guess i can set things up so that it's allowed [23:20:51] <stogel> by default, no they don't have an ssh login, the box pulls backups of their stuff every 4 hours, and if they needed to access it they'd use a ftp virtual user to do so [23:20:59] *** NeZetiC has quit IRC [23:21:08] <stogel> yeah exactly, the backup server is behind an obsd firewall that drops -all- incoming connections [23:21:10] *** NeZetiC has joined #opensolaris [23:21:16] <Stric> redesign your network. [23:21:17] <TomJ> client# ssh user@wanbox 'ssh user@client -R 2021:localhost:21' / client# ftp localhost 2021 [23:21:18] <stogel> that was stipulated as a requirement of the project [23:21:24] <TomJ> this requires keys to be setup [23:21:29] *** evocallaghan has left #opensolaris [23:21:33] <TomJ> sorry, that's wrong, one sec: [23:21:38] <Stric> wtf? "We want a server that noone can access. Then use it." [23:21:41] <stogel> yeah that's exactly what i tried, use autossh too so it maintains the tunnel [23:21:50] <TomJ> client# ssh user@wanbox "ssh user@lanbox 'ssh user@client -R 2021:localhost:21' " / client# ftp localhost 2021 [23:21:53] <stogel> only problem is that when an ftp client connects, it sees their ip as localhost, 127.0.0.1, not as the real wan ip [23:22:11] <stogel> i do ssh -R wanIP:2121:127.0.0.1:21 spike@wanbox [23:22:23] <stogel> but i run that under autossh so it maintains the connection, and the keys are already all setup [23:22:29] <TomJ> stogel: client# ssh user@wanbox "ssh user@lanbox 'ssh user@client -R 2021:localhost:21' " / client# ftp localhost 2021 [23:22:50] <TomJ> this requires that user@wanbox has a ssh key allowing login to user@lanbox and user@lanbox has a ssh key allowing login to user@client [23:22:52] <stogel> i think that's the same as what i'm currenctly doing [23:22:56] <TomJ> no it isnt [23:23:05] <TomJ> that establishes a direct connection from user@lanbox to user@client [23:23:08] <TomJ> so no excess bandwidth [23:23:30] <Stric> this is starting to look like http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Classic-WTF-The-Complicators-Gloves.aspx [23:23:44] *** surlyjake2 has left #opensolaris [23:23:52] <TomJ> from client, you bounce off wanbox to lanbox and tell lanbox to connect to client [23:23:53] <stogel> okay i see what your saying [23:24:03] <TomJ> so the only transfer that goes via wanbox is the command that initiates the SSh conneciton [23:24:08] <TomJ> all data therafter is direct from lanbox to client [23:24:18] <stogel> exactly what i want [23:24:35] *** edgy_ has left #opensolaris [23:24:36] <stogel> but for some reason setting it up exactly like this wasn't working before [23:24:39] <Stric> except that ftp doesn't cope well with being tunneled [23:24:42] <stogel> guess i'll go play around some more [23:24:44] <stogel> yeah exactly [23:24:47] <stogel> the ftpd sees the ip as 127.0.0.1 [23:24:56] <TomJ> the IP thing is completely irrelevant [23:24:57] <stogel> so when i ftp wanbox:2121 i get a login screen and whatnot [23:24:58] <stogel> i login to the ftp [23:25:03] <TomJ> you said the IP was a problem because you wanted a special path for hte data [23:25:07] <stogel> and then i get an error that it can't initiate a list connection to 127.0.0.1 or something like that [23:25:14] <TomJ> with my method, the data just goes down the ssh tunnel, but without excess bandwidth [23:25:17] <TomJ> of course, passive mode is required [23:25:36] <stogel> its when i tries to open a passive connection that it fails [23:25:43] <stogel> cause it tries to open a pasv connection to 127.0.0.1 [23:25:48] <stogel> maybe i have to specify the passive ip in the client [23:25:58] <stogel> either way time to go play around [23:26:00] <stogel> catch ya'lls soon enough. [23:26:19] <Stric> or make the backup server usable.. [23:26:21] <TomJ> connecting to 127.0.0.1 will work fine, that will go down the tunnel [23:26:51] <kRutOn> Argh, USB DVD-RW won't load the grub menu on SXCE 99 [23:27:15] <th> sounds more like a BIOS issue [23:27:24] *** icmp_ has joined #opensolaris [23:29:48] <kRutOn> well, it gets to stage 2 and displays the grub> prompt [23:31:22] <th> still. [23:32:52] <th> at least it worked on sxce98 for me [23:33:21] <th> after some bios settings [23:33:58] <h3sp4wn> th: any reason you cannot just use liveupgrade [23:34:26] <th> h3sp4wn: i do not have a problem here. [23:34:43] <kRutOn> th: Anything with legacy USB support or something? [23:34:58] <h3sp4wn> th: sorry [23:35:58] <th> kRutOn: i had to disable some other boot options and then wait for a first failure (perhaps some spinup) and it worked on the second retry [23:36:15] <th> kRutOn: but the legacy thing sounds more like ps/2 emulation to me [23:36:30] <th> kRutOn: but perhaps it is something like fd-emu for cd-booting [23:46:03] *** sailorvrz__ has quit IRC [23:47:14] *** AxeZ has quit IRC [23:47:58] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [23:48:10] *** ky-san has left #opensolaris [23:48:41] *** dnm has quit IRC [23:51:12] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [23:51:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman [23:51:29] <kRutOn> hm, in the changelog for GRUB 0.97: Implement a more robust workaround for buggy BIOSes which don't pass [23:51:33] <kRutOn> boot drie correctly [23:51:49] *** Gman_ has quit IRC [23:53:57] *** stux|work has quit IRC [23:54:56] *** jbasse has joined #opensolaris [23:57:23] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris [23:58:50] *** zarqman_ has joined #opensolaris