[00:00:51] <hspaans> you could ping your default gateway? do a DNS lookup?
[00:01:41] <solaris2> no you fail to understand ... on some boots the browser would load the sites... and sometimes it didn't
[00:04:02] <Stric> and you seem to fail to understand how to debug something
[00:04:53] <hspaans> you fail to understand that crystal balls are not sold anymore? I try to give you handles to start debug the problem
[00:05:17] <solaris2> And you fail at that peice of whitty sarcasm.
[00:06:09] <smtms> solaris2, piece
[00:06:27] <Stric> peace :P
[00:06:39] <Stric> (yeah, I know)
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[00:07:23] <McBofh> solaris2: in this channel we tend to break go back to first principles a lot
[00:07:31] <smtms> solaris2, try to find out whether basic network infrastructure is working when the browser happens to not be able to load pages
[00:07:40] <McBofh> just like that
[00:08:04] <McBofh> and we tend to ask questions which help us develop an understanding of your problem, then we can help you better
[00:08:32] <Stric> but if you don't want help, fine.
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[00:08:59] <hspaans> gents be easy on the guy I think he gets the picture ;-)
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[00:12:10] <hspaans> solaris2: you need more pointers?
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[01:13:46] <nachox> evening all
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[02:05:54] <webar7> zfs stress testing and qa includes import/export and version to version compatibility I'm sure (including from endian mismatched systems etc).  It should also include import and export tests for other systems supporting zfs e.g. FreeBSD and OS/X
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[02:06:48] <bda> webar7: That topic may be better suited for #zfs.
[02:07:04] <webar7> cools
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[02:08:13] <e^ipi> webar7: it's not really our problem if osx and freebsd can't read zpools properly, but it'd be lovely if it were compatible across them
[02:08:19] * e^ipi still would love to see a windows port
[02:08:48] <webar7> well it would be just a test and report against the other systems ...
[02:08:52] <webar7> they could fix the bugs :)
[02:08:56] <e^ipi> yeah
[02:09:05] <e^ipi> would be nice to send them bugs
[02:09:06] <webar7> it might also find xplatform bugs
[02:09:31] <webar7> on those other platforms the devs need bugs (really)
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[02:10:14] <webar7> and experts in zfs codebase to signal "desired behaviour" or whatever
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[02:12:16] <jmcp> I've noticed that the ZFS team are very responsive to bugs / issues found on FreeBSD and MacOS X
[02:13:38] <nachox> i'm not sure zfs is supported in anything other than sparc and x86/x64 even in freebsd
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[02:34:57] <Tpenta> oops
[02:35:01] <Tpenta> wrong room :)
[02:35:06] <Tpenta> lol
[02:35:26] <McBofh> definitely wrong room
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[02:35:39] <Tpenta> definitely :) the good thing is it should mean very little to most folks in here
[02:36:00] <jmcp> don't give the game away then
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[02:37:45] <nachox> i run a full search for do_hasout in the source browser and nothing came up
[02:39:08] <webar7> I agree
[02:39:42] <montcalm> I wonder how long until osol has an accessible installer.  The accessibility notes look out of date.
[02:40:19] <nachox> "accesible installer"?
[02:40:41] <e^ipi> nachox: for the visually impaired
[02:40:43] <montcalm> Yes, using the orca screen-reader and the espeak speech synthesizer.
[02:41:12] <nachox> i see, was the old one able to do that?
[02:41:36] <GmanAFK> montcalm: pretty soon actually
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[02:41:51] <nachox> dont like to us, youre not AFK :)
[02:42:04] <GmanAFK> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/status/accessibility/ is reasonably up to date
[02:42:22] <GmanAFK> by 2008.11 we'll hopefully have it in some form
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[02:42:34] <GmanAFK> (most likely on the global image, using lzma compression on the cd)
[02:42:40] <e^ipi> GmanAFK: where did these shirts come from, and where can I get one? http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/resource/sfd/DSCN4482.JPG
[02:42:43] <e^ipi> they're fantastic.
[02:42:51] <montcalm> Right now, I'm using qemu under linux to virtualize because I can read the text console, but osol is a graphical installer, so my technique won't work there.
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[02:43:23] <montcalm> Solaris express has a text installer so I can use it for now.
[02:43:24] <GmanAFK> e^ipi: no idea, i've not seen those before
[02:43:28] <e^ipi> drats
[02:43:49] <GmanAFK> sounds like they were sent out for software freedom day
[02:43:51] <GmanAFK> i can ask though
[02:44:00] <nachox> i agree, those are nice shirts
[02:47:33] <nachox> i wonder if we as a community could sell something like that to get some cash to push forward the projects that do not make business sense for sun
[02:48:04] <e^ipi> you think you can pay a guys salary through tshirt sales
[02:48:05] <e^ipi> ?
[02:48:15] <jmcp> if they're 133t enough, sure
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[02:49:00] <nachox> you'd need to sell many shits to pay a months salary i guess :)
[02:49:15] <GmanAFK> really we just need to start developing the artwork
[02:49:20] <GmanAFK> so that people can print their own if they like
[02:49:35] <e^ipi> pretty much
[02:49:43] <e^ipi> open-source the logo .svg
[02:49:54] <GmanAFK> it's likely to be adobe illustrator though
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[02:50:04] <GmanAFK> but if it can export to svg, that will work too
[02:50:14] <e^ipi> that's a good question
[02:50:18] <e^ipi> let me check
[02:51:23] <e^ipi> yep
[02:51:32] <e^ipi> save as has an .svg option
[02:51:52] <GmanAFK> ok, i'll try and get us to do that
[02:53:20] <nachox> GmanAFK, 2008.05 is a "preview" version of indiana?
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[02:53:34] <GmanAFK> nachox: it's a first release
[02:53:35] <GmanAFK> not preview
[02:54:03] <GmanAFK> nor is it a development release or anything
[02:54:05] <GmanAFK> it's a release
[02:54:15] <GmanAFK> (whether you call it stable or unstable, that's up to you...)
[02:54:34] <e^ipi> meh, it's like Apple... revA of anything apple makes is pretty rough
[02:54:36] <nachox> from the status page of the indiana project "There is already a successful 2nd preview release available now. We hope for a first release a few months later.
[02:54:36] <nachox> "
[02:54:58] <GmanAFK> nachox: ah, probably need to fix that :)
[02:55:16] <GmanAFK> the status page is a little old gerally
[02:55:33] <nachox> e^ipi, better apple than google i guess :)
[02:55:47] <e^ipi> google never releases things
[02:57:04] <GmanAFK> nachox: thanks for the indirect prod :)
[02:57:08] <GmanAFK> hopefully the page reads better now
[02:58:20] * GmanAFK needs to overhaul the indiana pages (and preferably, drop them all)
[02:58:35] <bda> Their continued existance is a little baffling. :)
[02:58:37] <GmanAFK> just haven't figured out a plan for phasing out 'indiana'
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[03:00:19] * jbk should make a sarcastic comment making fun of hoosiers, but can't think of anything :)
[03:00:45] <Tilt> well i made a booboo and apparently some genius somewhere decided to not put a static linked sh in opensolaris
[03:00:48] <Tilt> soooo
[03:01:03] <e^ipi> GmanAFK: <h1>This information provided for historical interest</h1>
[03:01:07] <e^ipi> and then close the forum
[03:01:28] <McBofh> Tilt: /sbin/sh ain't good enough for you? or you didn't read any of the documentation and commentary that Sun has put out since Solaris _10_ about static linking?
[03:01:30] <Tilt> how can i become root to remove /var/ld/ld.config
[03:01:32] <jbk> there is no static linking to the OS libraries
[03:01:47] <McBofh> Tilt: try booting failsafe
[03:01:49] <Tilt> sbin/sh is linked to curses
[03:01:51] <jbk> why are you messing with ld.config in the first place?
[03:01:52] <e^ipi> Tilt: that's been the case since S10
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[03:02:18] <Tilt> i know, i was working on something and i made a typo, and i hozed my ld.config
[03:02:37] <e^ipi> Tilt: elfedit(1)
[03:02:39] <Tilt> when i was working for son sol8 was a twinkle in zini's eye
[03:02:46] <e^ipi> Tilt: it exists, it's lovely, you should use it
[03:03:05] <GmanAFK> e^ipi: somewhere we need a place to host some of the planning documents for the distribution
[03:03:13] <jbk> or if you have source, learn about -R
[03:03:25] <e^ipi> GmanAFK: the OS pages?
[03:03:33] <Tilt> well i'll look into that, untill then, how can i get around this insecure pathname crap so i can run a suid binary and remove that file
[03:03:35] <GmanAFK> e^ipi: on .com? unlikely
[03:03:40] <e^ipi> no, on .org
[03:04:05] <e^ipi> or rename 'indiana' to 'distribution project'
[03:04:56] <Tpenta> isnt that what crle(1) is for?
[03:05:15] <Tilt> crle hosed my secure paths
[03:05:16] <e^ipi> no, clre(1) is for totally hosing your system
[03:05:21] <Tilt> i ran it with pfexec
[03:05:33] <Tilt> now i can't get root access to fix it
[03:05:37] <e^ipi> it's best to just pretend crle doesn't exist
[03:05:42] <Tpenta> so boo9t failsafe and fix it
[03:05:44] <nachox> GmanAFK, phasing out indiana?
[03:05:57] <e^ipi> Tilt: in the future, elfedit your broken binaries, don't mess your whole system up
[03:06:04] <jbk> if using zfs root, crle is one of those commands you should snapshot your system before running :)
[03:06:15] <Tpenta> bingo jbk
[03:06:23] <jbk> though i notice there is a beadm bename@snapshot
[03:06:24] <Tilt> i been using clre for years, this is the first time i have ever typo'd soemthing in it and happend to of used pfexec and not actualy been at a root prompt
[03:06:31] <jbk> but no rollback -- have to do that manually
[03:06:57] <e^ipi> Tilt: crle is bad... that's /why/ elfedit was invented
[03:07:10] <Tilt> well that's awsoem
[03:07:21] <e^ipi> but yeah, just boot failsafe and fix it
[03:07:26] <Tilt> but right now how can i fix my damn machine... i just need one file removed
[03:07:34] <Tilt> okay....
[03:07:39] <Tilt> if you think that'll work
[03:07:44] <Tpenta> at least three of us now have told you what to do
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[03:08:07] <Tilt> how do you boot failsafe on x86.... and please don't say rtfm
[03:08:10] <Tpenta> the boot failsafe will run in the ramdisk, ... mount the root filesystem and go for broke
[03:08:22] <Tpenta> it shoudl be one of the boot envs listed in grub
[03:08:40] <Tilt> no it lists opensolaris and opensolaris-1
[03:08:51] <Tilt> (i have ALWAYS hated grub)
[03:08:52] <Tpenta> one moment
[03:09:00] <nachox> e^ipi, what would happen to a crypt signed binary if you modify it with elfedit? :)
[03:09:06] <Tilt> if you don't know i don't mind looking it up
[03:09:33] <Tilt> i was just hoping you would say "oh just hit e and ammend -S after blah line"
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[03:09:39] <Tilt> but i 'll figure it out
[03:09:53] <Tpenta> dammit, ok in opensolaris distro  you don't have failsafe. do you have any alternate boot environments?
[03:10:08] <jbk> btw, is there a bug filed about that? :)
[03:10:35] <nachox> you could boot with the opensolaris cd and import the pool?
[03:10:49] <Tilt> but i am right
[03:11:01] <Tpenta> does anyone know if the bug about booting with the zpool not being imported to the right pool has been fixed?
[03:11:07] <Tpenta> that might be a problem going to the boot cd
[03:11:13] <Tilt> Tpenta, edit the kernel$ line and ammend -s
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[03:11:41] <Tpenta> if you have an alternate boot environment, the best answer would be to go with that
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[03:14:08] <GmanAFK> nachox: phasing out the indiana name, but not the distro
[03:14:30] <nachox> oh, dont do that! you'd be forcing me to call it opensolaris! hehe
[03:14:30] <GmanAFK> e^ipi: yeah, that's certainly a possibility
[03:14:40] <Chris_S> I have a DTrace question: I have a Solaris 10u4 x86 system which every so often becomes unable to fork() processes. (And then, often, recovers.) I can use DTrace to monitor fork failures to detect when this happens, but I'd like some way to dump the system kernel/user memory usage information at the time this happens from inside DTrace (since I can't reliably run any external programs...)
[03:14:57] <Chris_S> Any ideas?
[03:15:25] <jbk> sounds like you might be running out of swap
[03:15:30] <jbk> are you running oracle?
[03:15:56] <nachox> we need linux' memory overcommit
[03:15:58] <Chris_S> We're not running oracle. (This is a ZFS-based NFS fileserver)
[03:15:59] * nachox hides
[03:16:29] <Chris_S> I assume that the data is there in kernel variables somewhere, and if I knew their names I might be able to get DTrace to print them out. But I don't. :(
[03:16:57] * McBofh thwaps nachox
[03:17:16] <jbk> are you writing large amount of things to /tmp ?
[03:18:03] <Chris_S> Nothing.
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[03:18:45] <jbk> hmm
[03:18:52] <jbk> those are the usual culprits
[03:18:59] <GmanAFK> nachox: been there, done that, bought the t-shirt
[03:19:04] <jbk> are you running anything on there aside from the fileserving bits?
[03:19:19] <McBofh> Chris_S: IPC might be involved, too
[03:19:20] <e^ipi> GmanAFK: there are tshirts now?
[03:19:20] <bda> Chris_S: sar enabled?
[03:19:21] <Chris_S> I have a shell script that's monitoring all the memory stats that I can think of, but the last time this happened the shell script itself died with 'cannot fork'. :(
[03:19:38] <McBofh> what does the box do, generally?
[03:19:38] <e^ipi> GmanAFK: "I survived the OpenSolaris schism"
[03:19:40] <Chris_S> Hence my desire to do monitoring with DTrace, which will hopefully keep running when forks fail.
[03:19:42] <GmanAFK> e^ipi: :)
[03:19:46] <nachox> haha
[03:19:46] <bda> Heh. Did it look like swap was getting eaten? :)
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[03:19:58] <jbk> anything in /var/adm/messages
[03:20:05] <Chris_S> It's a ZFS-based NFS server. And no, nothing looked any different, and nothing in /var/adm/messages.
[03:20:14] <McBofh> Chris_S: 64-bit or 32-bit operation?
[03:20:27] <McBofh> how much ram, how much swap, how many cpus, have you tuned the ARC size?
[03:20:46] <nachox> cant he use rcap with projects and leave some free memory to run root programs to collect the data?
[03:21:21] <bda> McBofh: Good call on 64/32bit.
[03:21:33] <McBofh> standard questions to ask :)
[03:21:35] <bda> :)
[03:21:58] <Chris_S> 8 GB RAM, 2 GB swap, I think 4 cores (it's an X2200), and yes, we forced a mimimum ARC size of 5 GB in order to avoid a catastrophic performance thing. 64-bit I think.
[03:22:08] <bda> Yeah, 64b.
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[03:22:20] <Chris_S> We certainly didn't tell it to be 32-bit, and it's a 64-bit capable machine.
[03:22:32] <McBofh> that's cool, just checking
[03:22:46] <McBofh> sometimes people forget that ZFS eats address space like it's going out of style
[03:23:03] <bda> yum yum.
[03:23:13] <McBofh> minimum or maximum ARC size?
[03:23:13] <Chris_S> I don't expect to diagnose the problem here with people; I'm (right now) just interested in getting DTrace to dump as much state information as I can when it detects a problem.
[03:23:19] <nachox> it would release the memory if it's needed, that shouldnt prevent exec from running
[03:23:22] <Chris_S> Minimum. (We have no maximum set.)
[03:23:47] <McBofh> that could well be your problem, since the general performance tuning guideline is to set a maximum for the ARC
[03:24:15] <McBofh> if you can fire up mdb -k and look at your zfs kmem caches, you'll probably see that they're really close to full, if not full
[03:24:57] <Chris_S> We force a minimum because we saw situations where the ARC size collapsed despite nothing else going on, and when this happened it utterly killed performance with enough simultaneous sequential reads; ZFS was madly doing readahead but discarding 90% to 95% of what it had read.
[03:26:01] <Chris_S> Our choices are a minimum ARC size large enough to prevent the prefetching collapse or turning off prefetching entirely, so.
[03:26:27] <Chris_S> (We may have to revert this now...)
[03:26:35] <McBofh> surely you could also try setting a maximum size for the ARC
[03:26:59] <Chris_S> How do I dump ZFS kmem cache stuff in mdb -k -- ::kmastat?
[03:27:03] <jbk> wasn't there some fixes (perhaps not backported to s10) that addressed that issue?
[03:27:52] <McBofh> Chris_S: yeah    ::kmastat ! egrep "zfs|zio|dmu_|arc"
[03:27:55] <McBofh> jbk: quite possibly
[03:28:12] <McBofh> though that would require patching the box
[03:28:20] <jbk> hmm actually i was thinking of the write throttling :(
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[03:28:53] <jbk> i know though there's bugs files about prefetching behavior issues
[03:34:54] <Chris_S> I'm not sure how I'd tell what 'full' is for my ZFS kmem caches. Most everything looks rational, although the overall zio 'memory total' (in the summary section at the bottom) reports 8 GB. (memory in use is only 2 GB, though)
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[03:35:53] <McBofh> Chris_S: the last column is the allocation failures - any nonzero columns?
[03:35:57] <McBofh> entries, rather
[03:36:29] <Chris_S> Nope.
[03:36:47] <McBofh> right
[03:36:57] <McBofh> > ::kmastat ! head -2
[03:36:57] <McBofh> cache                        buf    buf    buf    memory     alloc alloc
[03:36:57] <McBofh> name                        size in use  total    in use   succeed  fail
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[03:37:25] <McBofh> so (buf in use) / buf total) will give you an indication of how full that caches
[03:37:26] <McBofh> are
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[03:37:41] <Chris_S> In fact there's no alloc fails for anything, not just ZFS entries.
[03:38:08] <McBofh> you might also want to check the values of physmem and freemem
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[03:40:38] <Chris_S> physmem is 8 GB, freemem is ~1 GB.
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[03:41:00] <McBofh> hmm
[03:41:05] <McBofh> I'd think that would be enough to keep running ok
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[03:41:32] <jbk> is there a way from dtrace to force a live dump?
[03:41:38] <McBofh> I don't think so
[03:41:49] <Chris_S> The last every-five-minutes status repotr reported freemem of 291 MB.
[03:41:55] <McBofh> ouch
[03:41:57] <McBofh> that's a tad low
[03:42:09] <Chris_S> (this is the last status report before the monitoring scripted died because of a fork failure)
[03:42:12] <McBofh> that's a starvation characteristic
[03:42:12] <McBofh> right
[03:42:41] <McBofh> at this point i'd suggest forcing a crash dump (reboot -dq, or 0>rip in mdb, then :c :c), and logging a call
[03:44:48] <Chris_S> Politically, I don't think I can crash-dump a live production server unless we're experiencing the problem at the time, and if we are we can't get in to do it. :(
[03:45:26] <jbk> leave mdb -k running on the console
[03:45:35] <jbk> not pretty, but it'd work
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[03:47:54] <jbk> e^ipi: any word on the usermod bug?
[03:47:57] <McBofh> Chris_S: if the box is "not responding" then you're probably better off giving it the mdb kick-in-the-guts, or reboot -dq. It'll interrupt service for a few minutes, but it'll then come back up. Whereas if you leave it thrashing, service will most definitely be worse than suboptimal
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[03:48:37] <Chris_S> The box is fine right now.
[03:49:12] * McBofh shrugs
[03:49:18] <McBofh> try a live savecore then
[03:49:29] <McBofh> assuming you've got a dedicated dump device, you can run      savecore -L /var/crash/`hostname`1
[03:49:36] <McBofh> uhhh      savecore -L /var/crash/`hostname`
[03:49:57] <Chris_S> We've had three incidents of this that I know of, two major. One let us eventually log in on the console (very, very slowly), at which point everything became fine; the second forced me to power-cycle the box. The third one I only know about because my monitoring script died with the fork failure; the box seems fine now, and nothing syslog'd errors, and so ...
[03:50:57] <Chris_S> Right now I am trying to put as much monitoring in place as possible for the next time. Clearly a monitoring script is, um, somewhat susceptible to the problem, as I've discovered. Hence my interest in DTrace. :)
[03:51:41] <McBofh> fair enough, but why do you think DTrace is going to help you solve this faster than getting one of Sun's kernel engineers to help?
[03:52:58] <Chris_S> I don't know if there's anything Sun's kernel engineers could do with a live savecore from what is now almost 24 hours after the incident ... and I'm not confidant we'd get through Sun's support people to a live kernel engineer with just this.
[03:53:12] <Chris_S> With DTrace I can at least have a better idea how often transient fork failures happen.
[03:53:20] <Chris_S> (Since I can log all of them)
[03:53:31] * McBofh shrugs
[03:54:22] <Chris_S> I/we have had prior exposure to Sun support people that has not left me with a great deal of confidance, to put it one way.
[03:54:37] <Chris_S> So I want to go to them with as much solid data as possible.
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[03:56:01] <McBofh> so, fork is a syscall, you could try something along the lines of            dtrace -n'syscall::fork:entry{self->trace=1;}' -n'syscall::fork:return/self->trace==1/{printf("something failed to fork"); self->trace=0;}'
[03:56:27] <McBofh> and of course once you've looked more at the info available to you in sys/fork.h you'll be able to figure out other data that'll be useful to look for and/or set/retrieve
[03:56:51] <Chris_S> Easier: syscall::fork*:return, syscall::vfork:return / errno > 0 / { printf("...."); }
[03:57:12] <McBofh> yeah, whatever
[03:57:16] <McBofh> I'm not much into userland stuff
[03:57:33] <Chris_S> DTrace makes that bit a snap, which makes me really happy.
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[04:02:12] <Chris_S> Thanks for all of the information and suggestions; I am definitely going to see if I can get mdb sitting there ready to go on the console for the next time.
[04:02:43] <Chris_S> Do I need to use 'mdb -kw' in order to be able to do the crash stuff, or is 'mdb -k' enough?
[04:03:10] <McBofh> you'll need the "w" flag
[04:03:18] <McBofh> otherwise you won't be able to "write" changes to variables
[04:05:11] <Chris_S> yeah, I figured crashing the system might be considered writing. :)
[04:05:38] <Chris_S> (or require it -- mdb syntax is one of those things I have to explore, because I don't know very much about it right now)
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[04:08:55] <phrost> where do you config the web console to bind to other than 127.0.0.1?
[04:09:14] <e^ipi> web console?
[04:09:21] <e^ipi> just... don't ...
[04:09:36] <phrost> lol i take it it's not that useful then?
[04:09:52] <e^ipi> admin GUI's are a crime against humanity
[04:10:23] <e^ipi> except smitty
[04:10:26] <phrost> i'm more curious as to what the huge java process is doing
[04:10:27] <e^ipi> smitty's alright
[04:10:45] <e^ipi> phrost: some stupid crap, svcadm disable wbem && svcadm disable webconsole
[04:10:52] <bda> In-deed.
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[04:14:21] <freetown> hello all, does not svn_86 zfs support sec=krb5 for sharenfs?
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[04:52:30] <cchapman> anyone out there think of porting the openfiler web interface and ideas to opensolaris?
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[04:58:44] <e^ipi> cchapman: to gain what, exactly?
[04:59:03] <cchapman> ZFS
[04:59:14] <e^ipi> we have zfs
[04:59:21] <cchapman> you seen openfiler?
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[04:59:40] <cchapman> its a linux based SAN/NAS distro
[04:59:47] <cchapman> its very sweet
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[05:00:17] <e^ipi> right, but what would /we/ gain from it?
[05:01:06] <cchapman> a nice web interface for SAN, CIFS/SMB, ftp and http
[05:01:11] <cchapman> and NAS
[05:01:26] <nachox> isnt wat fishwork is about?
[05:01:31] <nachox> *what
[05:01:44] <e^ipi> NexentaStor ?
[05:02:02] <cchapman> nexentastor free?
[05:02:06] <e^ipi> i dunno
[05:02:35] <jbk> nachox: that's the rumors, but until there's something to actually see..
[05:02:38] <cchapman> does it support iscsi sans?
[05:03:13] <jmcp> aren't "iscsi" and "san" mutually exclusive?
[05:03:26] <cchapman> no there are fibre channel sans
[05:03:35] <jmcp> you missed my point
[05:03:48] <cchapman> what was your point then?
[05:03:56] <jmcp> "iscsi" is scsi over IP, of which the vast majority are *not* using FC
[05:04:01] <jmcp> as the underlying transport
[05:04:39] <cchapman> ya i would use a fc san if they werent so danm expensive
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[05:04:44] <jbk> yeah, if you're using, it seems like you'd not want the unneeded overhead of iscsi
[05:04:48] <jbk> err +fc
[05:06:41] <cchapman> i am building an iscsi san
[05:06:52] * jmcp sends cchapman a sympathy packet
[05:07:12] * nachox hated solaris' last attempt to build a management console that already forgot the name :)
[05:07:36] <jbk> heh
[05:07:42] <jbk> jmcp: what are your thoughts on fcoe?
[05:07:58] <jmcp> I think you can guess
[05:08:10] <cchapman> so what are your thoughts on this?
[05:08:22] <jbk> well it seems like it'd be an improvement over iscsi
[05:08:25] <cchapman> bad idea?
[05:08:31] <jmcp> jbk: I'd prefer iscsi
[05:08:42] <jmcp> cchapman: iscsi works for quite a few people
[05:08:47] <jbk> hmm
[05:08:52] <jmcp> I wouldn't care to implement it, personally
[05:09:11] <jbk> my biggest gripe w/ fc is it appears to be standard only in theory
[05:09:17] <cchapman> for small company that cant afford a fibre channel san
[05:09:30] <cchapman> i have no other choice
[05:09:31] <jbk> you're still basically beholden to whatever your storage vendor's 'supported' matrix is
[05:09:55] <jbk> you never see cisco dictate what network cards can be used with its switches
[05:09:57] <nachox> fcoe is fiber channel over ethernet right? iscsi can do other cool stuff
[05:09:58] <cchapman> anyone checked infiniband iscsi's support?
[05:10:05] <jmcp> jbk: if you think it's bad now, you should have seen it 5 years ago
[05:10:16] * jmcp starts frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of IB
[05:10:17] <jbk> jmcp: I remember how it was 10 years ago :)
[05:10:23] <jmcp> exactly
[05:10:31] <jmcp> nachox: correct re FCoE defn'
[05:10:34] <freetown> why can't zfs set sharenfs="sec=krb5" work without uncomment the krb5 line from /etc/nfssec.conf?
[05:10:40] <jbk> but at least for emc & hitachi, it seems to not have changed a whole lot
[05:10:43] <freetown> uncommenting
[05:11:04] <jbk> other than, at least now you can use sun's fc stack w/ a sun-branded hba (at least on solaris)
[05:11:07] <cchapman> whats wrong with infiniband?
[05:11:33] <jbk> the comments i've heard from a hw guy i that it seems really overengineered (kinda like atm)
[05:12:15] <cchapman> back to my orignal question
[05:12:47] <cchapman> the openfiler interface on opensolaris? bad idea, good idea?
[05:13:08] <jmcp> mu - neither good nor bad
[05:13:16] <jmcp> however, have you tried Nexenta?
[05:13:16] <freetown> zfs already has a web interface...
[05:13:21] <cchapman> i prefer solaris, but i need something that just more than me can setup
[05:14:15] <cchapman> whats zfs's web interface?
[05:14:52] <freetown> no idea...just heard/read about it. never bothered trying it
[05:14:54] <cchapman> can you configure iscsi? SMB/CIFS? http? ftp?
[05:15:04] <freetown> no http/ftp
[05:15:18] <freetown> but the rest should be available
[05:15:31] <cchapman> openfiler allows you to do all of this.... allows you the auth to AD, LDAP, Kerberos
[05:15:35] <freetown> cifs/iscsi/nfs
[05:15:53] <cchapman> my network is a windows network
[05:16:27] <cchapman> I need something that can live in a windows network without someone needing more than install experience of solaris/opensolaris
[05:17:23] <cchapman> or i am just asking for to much
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[05:18:06] <cchapman> jmcp: nexentastor or just nexenta?
[05:18:10] <freetown> okay, so openfiler has a lot of nice integration done for you. This would need to be done other linux distributions. OpenSolaris has certain things already integrated. I believe they would work on more.
[05:18:20] <nachox> what you need can be done in solaris but there is no web based console to do it
[05:18:34] <jmcp> cchapman: probably NexentaStor, from the look of their webpage
[05:18:52] <cchapman> jmcp: that scosts money, openfiler is free
[05:18:57] * jmcp shrugs
[05:19:07] <freetown> file RFE
[05:19:17] <cchapman> RFE?
[05:19:23] <jmcp> Request For Enhancement
[05:19:42] <cchapman> on opensolaris web page?
[05:19:58] <freetown> OpenSolaris is part way to what you want...just tell them the rest of the stuff you would like...
[05:20:08] <jmcp> cchapman: bugs.opensolaris.org
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[05:20:27] <freetown> and hope somebody picks it up...and that somebody is from Sun.
[05:20:56] <cchapman> i might just do that.....
[05:21:11] <nachox> you really want support for that stuff btw
[05:21:30] <cchapman> what are your guys thoughts on nexenta?
[05:21:38] <freetown> or you would want to understand all the gearing.
[05:22:14] <freetown> nexenta nice...except i want a sun cc compiled system instead of a gcc and gnuld system
[05:22:48] <nachox> i used one of their first versions and didnt enjoy it one bit, but that may have changed
[05:22:57] <freetown> they use deb so they might be more 'free' as in what you can do
[05:23:05] <e^ipi> too much GNU
[05:23:17] <freetown> i have no problems with that.
[05:23:42] <freetown> but asterisk likes suncc more than it does gcc so i jumped ship.
[05:23:58] <freetown> and they are a bit constrained on man power so things were slow...
[05:24:14] <freetown> maybe things have improved...it has been a year cchapman
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[05:26:06] <nachox> e^ipi, i was about to listen your part in the townhall meeting about the gnu, is it worth the 5 mins or i'll find nothing very useful?
[05:27:10] <e^ipi> it's a "what I'm doing" note more than anything
[05:28:42] <e^ipi> there are big issues with using all but the most obvious GNU tools, and for those it doesn't really matter which you pick ( like basename(1)  )
[05:29:59] <jbk> i demand gnu /bin/true !
[05:30:00] <e^ipi> and I don't think anyone's screaming for gnu basename
[05:30:07] <e^ipi> except maybe jbk
[05:30:09] <jbk> :)
[05:31:47] <nachox> e^ipi, so you're the one to talk to retain our old ls, chmod and friends for all the zfs glory instead of the gnu crap? :)
[05:32:46] <e^ipi> i'd flush the gnu crap out of the system entirely out of princple if given the mandate
[05:33:16] <e^ipi> but ultimately it's a matter prioritizing things
[05:33:21] <e^ipi> *matter of
[05:33:27] <e^ipi> familiarity vs compatibility
[05:34:21] <jbk> well since it sounds like the gnu people aren't interested in accepting patches to support acls
[05:34:21] <e^ipi> suffice it to say that there are some really great people looking at & discussing this sort of thing
[05:34:22] * nachox thinks extending solaris' ls to show colors would shut most people up :P
[05:34:44] <jbk> i say we implement any missing features in the solaris utilities and once done, ditch gnu
[05:35:56] <e^ipi> in some cases it might be less work to implement the a11y/i18n, extra solaris features, TX stuff in the gnu crap
[05:38:19] <nachox> it would also be impossible to get that accepted upstream
[05:38:34] <e^ipi> so, maybe the solution is to carry a fork
[05:38:45] <e^ipi> there's a whole lot of complex issues around this whole thing
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[05:40:09] <gnut> hi all
[05:40:51] <gnut> i'm having some audio issues. I hear sound from the bulit-in computer speaker, but when I plug in an RCA jack to my external speakers, no sound comes out of the external speakers and sound still comes out of the internal ones.
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[05:41:27] <nachox> gnut, what solaris version are you using?
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[05:41:35] <nachox> indiana?
[05:41:36] <gnut> b97
[05:41:42] <gnut> snv_97
[05:41:45] <gnut> sxce
[05:42:30] <gnut> I have multiple machines with this release. This one computer seems to be surprising me with something I assumed was going to be a non-issue.
[05:42:30] <nachox> double click on the speaker crap and enable the headphones crap? that works in indiana
[05:42:36] <gnut> tried that.
[05:42:54] <gnut> double clicked on the speaker crap and clicked/unclicked back and forth the headphones crap, line out crap, built-in speaker crap
[05:43:54] <gnut> looked in bios to see if there was anything that shut off the hardware in there... nothing.
[05:44:20] <nachox> try the 4front drivers?
[05:44:32] <gnut> hmm... what are those? let me find out.
[05:47:17] <gnut> downloading...
[05:49:57] <nachox> off to sleep, night guys
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[07:41:19] <prak> hi, need some suggestions to move zones from one global to another global . My setup is i have a rootpool(zfs) with all the zoneroots and a datapool which has all the filesystems for the zones . I am confused as to how to move these zones . currently i am taking a snapshot of all the zfs filesystems and transferring over the network . anybody has a better method which you use . Please help
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[08:59:19] <_setuid_H> Morning all
[08:59:27] <div8> morning
[09:00:52] <_setuid_H> Can someone help me with buying "atheros" wifi card to support 802.1x, which is necessary to me? I have thinkpad r60
[09:01:11] <_setuid_H> i would like to have a chance to plug pig-tail to it
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[09:20:18] <asyd> /s 23
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[09:39:46] <corpwicle> hah! the package manager is pretty neat
[09:39:57] <corpwicle> its not the same as the package handler gui in solaris is it ?
[09:41:29] <_mary_kate_> if you mean the 2008.05 one - no, it's a completely new one
[09:42:05] <corpwicle> how do i know if i mean that one ? =P
[09:42:25] <_mary_kate_> did you install 2008.05?  then you mean that one.  otherwise you don't
[09:43:11] <corpwicle> os200805.iso
[09:43:15] <corpwicle> so yes, i mean that =)
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[11:19:27] <c00p> there is a new package manager? Never than the one in 200805 ?
[11:19:32] <c00p> *newer
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[11:20:56] <timsf> Yes, there's the ones from pkg.opensolaris.org, or just build from source if you're feeling more adventurous.
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[11:22:19] <cmihai> Hm.. where did amp-dev fly off to in SXCE?
[11:23:10] <cmihai> All the developer tools are no longer in SXCE :-(
[11:24:06] <cmihai> It's even in "feature spot", but no longer in SXCE?!
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[12:06:59] <lucianno> hi!
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[12:12:14] <lucianno> I am received a error on boot OAFIID:GNOME_ShowDesktop Applet, the system question if I want erase this program, what do I do?
[12:17:16] <Cyrille> I doubt anything bad will happen if it's removed, because I think it's just the panel button allowing you to minimise everything and just see the desktop, but on the other hand if it's failing it's probably an indication of something weird going on on your machine.
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[12:20:56] <lucianno> Cyrille: ok,
[12:20:56] <lucianno> I realized that the boot is very slow.
[12:21:37] <Cyrille> there might a more general problem then.
[12:23:17] <lucianno> Cyrille:  =\, stranger, after installation, can use quietly
[12:23:21] <oxygene> maybe a wrong hostname?
[12:23:29] <oxygene> gnome is quite sensitive to that
[12:24:14] <lucianno> oxygene:   yes, it show me HOSTNAME Unknow, before boot
[12:24:32] <Cyrille> usually not good.
[12:24:44] <oxygene> that might just be sendmail
[12:25:52] <lucianno> is that the installation was troub
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[12:26:33] <lucianno> ?
[12:28:28] <easytiger> in opensolaris, in gnome, when it initially starts i sometimes get a little dialog popping up to ask me to connect toa wireless netowrk.. what is it called... is it meant to have a tray icon?
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[12:33:58] <xRaich[o]2x> easytiger: i think you mean nwam (network auto magic). it's still under development. hopefully the next release will be a little more comfortable to handle
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[12:44:56] <easytiger> xRaich[o]2x: ahh. cheers
[12:45:03] <trygvis> is it so that the iso images now come with a script to update the liveupgrade packages?
[12:45:13] <easytiger> tis a bit rought round the edges
[12:45:23] <trygvis> liveupdate
[12:46:32] <xRaich[o]2x> easytiger: it's ok if you want really _basic_ networking. for everything else it's pretty annoying
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[13:14:29] <thana> can somebody show me a link about network configuration in xvm, please?
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[13:16:07] <trochej> easytiger: You can disable it: svcadm disable nwam
[13:16:16] <trochej> easytiger: Then it won't pop up every few minutes
[13:16:33] <trochej> easytiger: For a manual network configuration do: svcadm enable network/physical:defalt
[13:16:39] <trochej> easytiger: First disable nwam :)
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[13:24:22] <easytiger> trochej: thanks.. i'll make a note of that
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[14:07:43] <jay> hi all
[14:09:35] <jay> anybody can give me idea of restoring Opensolaris installation
[14:10:09] <jay> For example i was configuring network cards and kernel panicked
[14:10:29] <jay> i tried to reboot the system...
[14:10:46] <Okona> appending '-s' to the Bootparams boots up in single user mode
[14:12:02] <jay> okana..can u plz explain me little bit more... i am new into solaris world
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[14:12:51] <Okona> jay, you know grub?
[14:12:58] <jay> yes
[14:13:29] <Okona> just edit the config line in the grub menu to include -s
[14:13:36] <Okona> when the machine shows the grub prompt
[14:13:52] <jay> ok
[14:14:15] <McBofh> more precisely, edit the "kernel$" line, add the "-s" to the end
[14:15:02] <McBofh> actually, if you add "-kvs" that will get you a verbose boot that tells you what's going on, gives you the protection of kmdb (so you don't immediately reboot on panic), and - assuming the boot works enough - would take you to the singleuser mode
[14:15:19] <McBofh> jay: which driver were you trying to add?
[14:16:10] <jay> Marvell Yukon PCI-E 88E8040
[14:16:15] <McBofh> oh
[14:16:19] <McBofh> you're outta luck there, I'm sorry
[14:16:26] <McBofh> the yukonx driver *does not work* at all with it
[14:16:32] <McBofh> and Masa's "myk" driver doesn't work either
[14:16:42] <jay> ya..i tried both
[14:17:00] <McBofh> I gave up and I've been using either my wifi connection (with the iwk driver), or a usb-ethernet dongle
[14:17:12] <McBofh> that's about your only option at the moment
[14:17:24] <jay> myk is identifying the card...
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[14:17:43] <McBofh> correct
[14:17:48] <McBofh> but it doesn't actually work
[14:17:52] <jay> yeah
[14:17:58] <McBofh> I know this from experience :(
[14:18:30] <jay> the funniest thing is my laptop is Dell inspiron 1525
[14:18:48] <McBofh> I've had this on a Dell XPS M1530
[14:19:03] <jay> and wireless also not works
[14:19:14] <McBofh> which wireless chipset do you have?
[14:19:22] <McBofh> I bet it's a Broadcom
[14:19:34] <jay> ya
[14:19:38] <McBofh> :(
[14:19:44] <McBofh> you aren't having much luck, sorry
[14:20:00] <McBofh> if you could swap the Broadcom for an Intel you'd be much, *much* better off
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[14:21:15] <jay> but mcbofh...in windows xp device manager I can see Dell wireless 1395 Wlan Minicard
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[14:21:30] <McBofh> that's great for MS Windows XP
[14:21:45] <h0ax> When i unplug my modem and restart it, O.S tells me : "brought up interface iprb0 up, 192.168.100.10" but i don't have it connected to a router so it should be a normal IP, i think this is causing my browser not to load sites ect. any ideas ?
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[14:21:51] <McBofh> jay: if it's a minicard (mini pci card?) then you should be able to get it swapped out
[14:22:48] <jay> MacBofh...do u mean by replacing with another card?
[14:23:00] <McBofh> physically removing the existing one, and getting a new one installed
[14:23:33] <jay> and what about marvell yukon?
[14:23:39] <jay> can we do the same?
[14:23:48] <McBofh> no, it's on the motherboard
[14:24:06] <McBofh> so until Sun (or Marvell, for that matter) come out with a driver which support it, we're stuck
[14:24:58] <jay> I am really sad :)
[14:25:49] <McBofh> you and me both
[14:26:13] * Okona too (Shuttle K45 also has an incompatible Marvell Chip)
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[14:26:28] <_mary_kate_> h0ax: _all_ network devices are connected to a router - that's how they access other networks.  do you mean it's not conneted to a DHCP server?
[14:26:37] <_mary_kate_> (or, you don't want to use the dhcp server?)
[14:26:54] <Okona> Fortunately it has a pci slot... which PCI Gigabit Ethernet Card would you recommend?
[14:27:06] <h0ax> well i mean my modem isn't connected to my linksys router, just directly to my pc
[14:27:10] <McBofh> anything from Intel :)
[14:27:20] <_mary_kate_> then your PC is the router
[14:27:27] <_mary_kate_> is it a Windows computer running internet connection sharing?  or something else?
[14:27:30] <McBofh> Okona: seriously, if you can get an e1000g, you should be very happy
[14:27:53] <h0ax> _mary_kate_ no... i have O.S installed.
[14:27:59] <h0ax> or i wouldn't be asking in here
[14:28:14] <_mary_kate_> oh, you mean the modem is connected to your solaris box but not a network?
[14:28:24] <_mary_kate_> what model is it?
[14:28:27] <Okona> McBofh: that is an intel chip?
[14:28:29] <jay> McBofh...the bad thing is inspiron 1525 doesnt have an slot for external NIC
[14:28:30] <h0ax> No... my modem is connected to my pc
[14:28:36] <h0ax> which has has O.S
[14:28:37] <h0ax> on.
[14:28:38] <McBofh> Okona: e1000g? most definitely
[14:28:44] <_mary_kate_> h0ax: that's what i said: the modem is connected to your solaris box, but not to a network
[14:28:51] <h0ax> yes.
[14:28:57] <h0ax> it works on the live CD
[14:29:01] <h0ax> but not when i install
[14:29:02] <h0ax> =S
[14:29:15] <_mary_kate_> what model of modem is it?
[14:29:21] <h0ax> some NTL one
[14:29:33] <McBofh> jay: I've got an external Belkin F5D5050 which works quite nicely with one of Masa's drivers, upf iirc
[14:29:54] <_mary_kate_> i don't think any USB ethernet devices use iprb driver (that's Intel)... could that be another network interface (e.g onboard)?
[14:30:03] <h0ax> USB?
[14:30:06] <h0ax> it's ethernet
[14:30:24] <_mary_kate_> you connect a modem via ethernet?  then it's not going to show up as an interface at all
[14:30:49] <h0ax> if it works on the Live CD .. O.S must support it
[14:30:56] <jay> McBofh...Nice information
[14:31:01] <_mary_kate_> the modem doesn't need to be supported, the computer can't see the modem at all.  it just sees your computer's NIC (the iprb device)
[14:31:13] <h0ax> yes i know.
[14:31:16] <_mary_kate_> is the modem connected to the cable and online?  (iirc, NTL assigns 192.168.x addresses when they're offline)
[14:31:43] <Okona> McBofh: so an Intel Pro-1000 GT would be ok?
[14:31:53] <h0ax> O.S sets the address to 192.168.100.10 .. when i plug it in
[14:31:57] <McBofh> Okona: should be
[14:31:57] <h0ax> i can't see why
[14:32:12] <_mary_kate_> h0ax: it will do that if the modem is not synced, because it has an internal DHCP server (at least some of them do)
[14:32:18] <_mary_kate_> which is why i asked if it was online
[14:32:28] <h0ax> well if it works on the live cd..
[14:32:42] <_mary_kate_> was the modem synced when you used the livecd and not synced now?
[14:32:43] <h0ax> must be something with the installation.
[14:32:57] <h0ax> well if it works with the Live cd..
[14:33:13] <h0ax> and i havnt changed anything..
[14:33:18] <_mary_kate_> perhaps the modem WAS SYNCED when you used the live cd and IS NOT SYNCED now
[14:33:28] <_mary_kate_> can you please just look at the modem and tell me if it's connected and online?
[14:33:35] <h0ax> well i havnt touched the modem so it SHOULD still be SYNCED
[14:33:43] <h0ax> of course it is
[14:33:48] <h0ax> how you think im on here/
[14:34:16] <_mary_kate_> are you online from the solaris system or do you have two computers connected to the modem?
[14:34:24] <h0ax> it's dual booted
[14:34:28] <h0ax> i'm on winblowz
[14:34:31] <jay> McBofh...any other USB NIC you suggest??
[14:34:40] <McBofh> I've got no experience with any other, sorry
[14:35:11] <jay> ok..thanks McBofh..I appreciate your help
[14:35:23] <McBofh> you're welcome
[14:35:33] <McBofh> i just wish things were a little easier for our hardware, sigh
[14:37:08] <h0ax> McBofh you got any ideas on my problem ?
[14:37:14] <McBofh> no, sorry
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[14:37:42] <McBofh> giving jay network help really stretched my network-related clues
[14:37:42] <h0ax> surely, i must need to change some setting if it's changing my ip to 192.168.100.10
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[14:38:52] <bda> 192.168.100.x is what some cable modems give you when they're in test mode. Or if they don't like you for some reason.
[14:40:47] <_mary_kate_> bda: that's what i said, but he seems sure that wasn't the case
[14:41:30] <h0ax> well why does it work on the Live CD and not once i've installed
[14:41:41] <bda> If you boot the LiveCD again, does it still work?
[14:41:47] <h0ax> yes
[14:41:50] <bda> Interesting.
[14:41:58] <h0ax> exactly
[14:42:43] <h0ax> i get i915_attacg and gfxp_vgatext errors on boot too
[14:42:47] <h0ax> maybe a faulty cd ?
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[14:47:57] <h0ax> could download the ISo and try burning it again
[14:48:30] <bda> Dubious.
[14:48:46] <h0ax> I'm not sure what else i can do =/
[14:49:20] <bda> h0ax: Boot into the installed system. Power cycle your modem. Restart NWAM. If that doesn't work, disable NWAM and try to get DHCP manually. Sniff traffic to see where you're getting the address from.
[14:49:59] <h0ax> how would i restart NWAM
[14:50:36] <bda> svacdm refresh network/physical:nwam
[14:50:47] <h0ax> in terminal yes?
[14:50:50] <bda> Yes.
[14:51:12] <bda> You also try hitting http://192.168.100.1 when you have an address in that network to view the modem status page.
[14:51:30] * bda brekkie &
[14:51:43] <h0ax> what about the dhcp
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[14:52:52] <h0ax> well ill try that and see what happends
[14:52:53] <h0ax> brb
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[15:01:55] <h0ax> the svacdm command didn't work, no such command =/
[15:02:10] <timsf> svcadm
[15:02:26] <h0ax> lol
[15:02:41] <SYS64738> I have all the domUs 2 hours forward, how can I change the timezone of the dom0 ?
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[15:12:43] <easytiger> I have an existing ext3 partition on the same hard disk as my solaris install... how can i mount it?
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[15:14:18] <sartek> easytiger: a) http://opensolaris.org/os/project/ext3/ b) http://belenix.org/content/Download
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[15:15:32] <easytiger> sartek: thankyou
[15:22:30] <easytiger> also  how can you tell if a solaris install is 64bit... uname says x86
[15:22:37] <McBofh> isainfo -b
[15:22:58] <McBofh> the kernel will boot 64bit automatically, if you hardware can support 64bit operation
[15:23:55] <easytiger> awesome. cheers. i knew that.. just not how to check it
[15:24:43] <smtms> McBofh, can you ask it to boot 32-bit on 64-bit hardware?
[15:24:50] <McBofh> yes
[15:24:54] <McBofh> just a mo
[15:25:37] <McBofh> in your grub menu, change   kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix    to   kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel//unix
[15:25:53] <McBofh> likewise for module$ /platform/i86pc/$ISADIR/boot_archive  -->> module$ /platform/i86pc/boot_archive
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[15:38:09] <javairc> does solaris have something like ... build-essential like debian does to install appz from source ... i'm not sure what i have to install to compile
[15:40:22] <tomww> javairc: there are several ways. one is pkgbuild with a repository spec-files-extra (and spec-files for the Gnome builds on Solaris), pmpkg, ...
[15:40:36] <bda> javairc: Do you mean, to get a working compiler?
[15:40:41] <javairc> yeah.
[15:40:45] <javairc> i want to install xchat
[15:40:48] <javairc> from source
[15:40:56] <bda> Sun Studio and gcc are both available.
[15:41:08] <tomww> as compilers you could download SunStudio (official release or SunStudio Express for latest development builds)
[15:41:20] <tomww> and gcc 3.x is in Solaris Nevada /2008.05
[15:41:51] <javairc> Alright thanks guys, i'll have a look into it nopw
[15:41:54] <javairc> now*
[15:42:13] <bda> javairc: In OpenSolaris, you'd want to install sunstudio/sunstudioexpress/gcc/gcc-dev via pkg. In SXCE, you'd have to download Sun Studio from sun.com, but there are gcc packages on your install media.
[15:42:28] <javairc> package manager? :P
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[15:43:09] <bda> Which distribution are you using?
[15:43:19] <javairc> opensolaris
[15:43:23] <javairc> 2008.05
[15:43:38] <bda> See pkg(1).
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[15:43:48] <javairc> eh ?
[15:43:57] <bda> The man page for the pkg command.
[15:43:59] <bda> man pkg
[15:44:12] <bda> 'pkg install <thing>' is what you want, though.
[15:44:30] <bda> Finding <thing> is sometimes tedious, because pkg search could use some work.
[15:44:40] <bda> See Also: http://pkg.opensolaris.org/
[15:44:53] <javairc> i'll just install sunstudio and GCC
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[15:51:50] <lucianno> bda:  hi
[15:52:26] <bda> Hi?
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[15:53:57] <lucianno> yeaH, I want to configure the network in live os but received an error abourt svcamd, do you know?
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[15:58:53] <javairc> haha i just had trouble with my network
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[16:00:06] <javairc> lucianno: what error ?
[16:00:24] <lucianno> javairc: ops, a minute.
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[16:02:09] <lucianno> javairc: "network admin cannot be used to configure the network when nwam is enabled", but I dont disable nwam, =\
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[16:03:23] <javairc> uhmm not sure about that, the trouble i had was that the internet wasn't working on my installation, so i ran : svcadm refresh network/physical:nwam
[16:03:32] <javairc> not sure that's the same problem really
[16:03:33] <edgy> Hi, what does syslog.conf: usr.err /dev/sysmsg means? I tried logger -p user.err error and don't know where the message goes
[16:03:51] <edgy> s/usr/user
[16:03:57] <lucianno> hhmm
[16:05:45] <lucianno> javairc: yeah, because I look at man and there say % "svcadm disable svc:/network/physical:nwam", but nothing
[16:06:12] <javairc> do you actually want to disable the network ?
[16:07:00] <javairc> Sorry, i'm learning solaris myself, first day of using it
[16:07:17] <lucianno> =), no problem
[16:07:35] <lucianno> do you user which?
[16:07:45] <javairc> What do you mean ?
[16:08:11] <lucianno> sorry, you use solaris or opensolaris?
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[16:10:27] <lucianno> javairc: ?
[16:10:48] <javairc> opensolaris
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[16:11:41] <edgy> any help?
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[16:33:31] <javairc> having this problem : configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables any ideas
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[16:40:22] <jbk> it would help to have the actual command and error from config.log that it failed on
[16:40:40] <PerterB> yeah, but that would require effort
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[16:42:37] <javairc> Ha. Arnt we the whitty one.
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[16:45:25] <Cyrille> it's most likely picking up some random exec named cc or ld from /usr/ccs or something like that instead of an actual compiler.
[16:46:00] <javairc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/52116/
[16:46:10] <javairc> thats the config.log
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[16:48:39] <seanmcg> javairc, looks like: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=2970
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[16:57:23] <nachox> morning people
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[17:03:28] <corpxicle> um
[17:04:02] <corpxicle> i have a file right, that contains a line like "export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH" ... when i run that, it doesnt set that path ...
[17:04:55] <corpxicle> any ideas why ?
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[17:04:58] <nachox> corpxicle, how do you run it?
[17:05:04] <corpxicle> ./script.sh
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[17:06:04] <nachox> that starts a new shell depending on the first line of that shell script, the PATH of that new shell is what gets modified
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[17:06:38] <corpxicle> ah, and that exits when the script is done
[17:06:45] <nachox> nod
[17:06:59] <corpxicle> what about doing a exec bash in the end of the script, would it leave me in a new shell with that path ?
[17:07:27] <nachox> if you want that script to run without spawning a new shell you need to excecute . script.sh or source script.sh
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[17:09:54] <corpxicle> i need to compare this behaviour to a linux box
[17:10:02] <corpxicle> i dont see a reason to why they should be different right =
[17:10:02] <corpxicle> ?
[17:10:05] <corpxicle> both using bash
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[17:10:25] <nachox> they should not be different, no
[17:11:19] <nachox> check that what i told you works first :)
[17:11:28] <corpxicle> it doesnt really
[17:11:29] <corpxicle> well
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[17:11:58] <corpxicle> it does work
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[17:12:05] <nachox> excellent :)
[17:12:11] <corpxicle> but the reason i made this script was because a much longer script behaved wierdly
[17:12:24] <corpxicle> and the longer script still behaves wierd even when i execute it like that
[17:12:56] <corpxicle> its supposed to start a new shell in the dir where the script lives, bu when executed like you said, it leaves me in bash's dir =P
[17:13:20] <nachox> i had lots of problems with bash and shell scripts, i just use ksh these days, much better for scripting
[17:13:26] <corpxicle> heh
[17:13:36] <corpxicle> i thought bash was sh + the good parts from ksh =P
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[17:14:15] <nachox> yes, plus a TON of bugs
[17:14:24] <corpxicle> ah =)
[17:14:42] <nachox> ksh93 is as good an interactive shell as bash is these days
[17:14:59] <nachox> so i now can even use ksh for that
[17:15:02] <corpxicle> "these days" ? is ksh still developed then ?
[17:15:11] <nachox> of course!
[17:15:15] <corpxicle> i had no idea!
[17:15:44] <corpxicle> anyway, the script does behave differently in os and linux
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[17:15:56] <nachox> how so?
[17:16:20] <corpxicle> if i do . script.sh in linux, it does its thing and leaves me in a new shell in the dir where the script lives
[17:16:29] <corpxicle> same thing on os, i get dumped in /usr/bin
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[17:16:57] <nachox> i'd need to read the script, but i really dont feel like it now...
[17:17:01] <corpxicle> god thats an ugly font in the ubuntu bash btw
[17:17:11] <corpxicle> hehe, no worries man, thanks a lot for your help
[17:17:27] <nachox> anyway, just use ksh for your shell scripts, you'll be happier, i promise
[17:17:41] <corpxicle> maybe i will =)
[17:17:48] <corpxicle> how portable are those though ?
[17:17:52] <corpxicle> does linux come with ksh ?
[17:17:54] <corpxicle> hp-ux ?
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[17:18:13] <_mary_kate_> all OSs include ksh
[17:18:14] <nachox> more portable than bash's as bash is not included there :P
[17:18:36] <corpxicle> also im not sure all my dear colleagues will like beeing forced to use ksh =)
[17:18:48] <corpxicle> maybe i could just link ksh to /bin/bash
[17:19:00] <corpxicle> ... or the other way around
[17:19:08] <nachox> opensolaris includes ksh93, most others including solaris 10 use some form of ksh88, so be careful, there might be some problems
[17:19:31] <jbk> i don't suppose there's an easy way to get the built in mac address of a card if someone forget to set local-mac-address? to true?
[17:21:52] <nachox> and please, dont link ksh to bash, people might expect something from bash that is not there in ksh or the other way round
[17:22:15] <corpxicle> that was a joke =)
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[17:26:17] <corpxicle> nachox: the script sets "program dir" to $0 after a bit of regex'ing
[17:26:39] <corpxicle> and $0 when i do ". script.sh" is /usr/bin
[17:26:46] * jbk wonders if sun will ever ship boxes where the default for local-mac-address? is true
[17:27:15] <nachox> jbk, sparc? tried banner fom the prom?
[17:27:22] <jbk> can't down the box
[17:27:27] <jbk> at least right now..
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[17:31:21] <nachox> corpsicle, that meant nothing to me :P
[17:31:58] <iamben> ok i must be doing something wrong.  i just updated all installed packages, reboot, and the package manager is thinking it needs to upgrade SUNWipkg and SUNWipkg-gui again... i say "no" then hit update all again, and it doesnt need to upgrade those, but still thinks it has 500+ packages to upgrade (the same ones i just upgraded)
[17:32:01] <corpxicle> $0 = the first argument == the executed command right ?
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[17:32:27] <corpxicle> iamben: it keeps asking me to upgrade SUNWipkg and SUNWipkg-gui over and over too
[17:32:39] <nachox> yes, that is correct
[17:32:48] <iamben> corpxicle: but if you tell it no, and update all again, it doesnt ask the next time... i dont get it
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[17:33:21] <corpxicle> nachox: so if i run ". script.sh" then $0 would be /usr/bin/bash ?
[17:33:26] <iamben> its like its not updating the installed package db (if thats even how this thing works, i dunno)
[17:33:43] <nachox> i have no idea
[17:33:54] <nachox> probably
[17:33:57] <corpxicle> well this seems to be the case anyway
[17:34:06] <nachox> type echo $0
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[17:34:10] <corpxicle> i did
[17:34:16] <corpxicle> and that was the case =P
[17:34:26] <nachox> then you're right again
[17:34:33] <shadewind> can someone please deny the rumors that linux is killing opensolaris to me?
[17:34:34] <shadewind> :)
[17:34:51] <nachox> but that should be the same in linux
[17:35:22] <corpxicle> yes, but if i run ./script.sh
[17:35:34] <iamben> shadewind: for some reason i have linux on my sparc and solaris on my x86, i think i did that wrong
[17:35:36] <nachox> that is different
[17:35:45] <corpxicle> then $0 is "./script.sh" and it will dig out "." as the dir to execute a shell in
[17:35:51] <corpxicle> nachox: exactly!
[17:35:53] <shadewind> iamben: what do you mean?
[17:36:14] <iamben> nothing, just joking around
[17:36:16] <corpxicle> nachox: but the thing is, that in linux, when i execute "./script.sh" i get the paths set in the script
[17:36:25] <corpxicle> nachox: and in os i dont
[17:36:31] <iamben> although this package manager is getting on my nerves
[17:37:26] <nachox> corpxicle, add an echo $PATH inside the script, you'll see that the PATH is actually modified inside the script, outside it isnt, and if linux does not respect that, then it's a bug in linux
[17:38:12] <corpxicle> even if theres a "exec /usr/bin/bash" at the end of the script ?
[17:38:22] <corpxicle> doesnt that start a new shell, with the paths set in the script ?
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[17:39:09] <mijenix> hi
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[17:39:56] <iamben> "blah blah package manager has been updated and will now restart"   then i hit ok and it doesnt restart
[17:40:11] <iamben> sorry if it seems like im whining, im just trying to figure out what im doing wrong =)
[17:40:31] <mijenix> iamben: you have to use the liveupdate thing
[17:40:42] <mijenix> but I really don't know how I use that
[17:40:53] <mijenix> it's a really bit undocumented
[17:43:16] <corpxicle> this is really wierd
[17:43:34] <mijenix> yes
[17:43:43] <mijenix> that suscks
[17:43:45] <mijenix> suscks
[17:43:47] <mijenix> sucks
[17:43:57] <corpxicle> the path is set correctly in the script, the shell env is set correct, it does launch a new shell, BUT the path from the script doesnt get set in the new shell
[17:43:59] <mijenix> a
[17:44:03] <corpxicle> as it does in linux
[17:44:56] <mijenix> no
[17:45:06] <mijenix> emerge --sync && emerge -avuDN world
[17:45:10] <mijenix> finish
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[17:47:25] <nachox> evening stevel :)
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[17:50:48] <cypromis> pkg drives me insane
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[17:51:38] <nachox> that's why we have multiples be's so that we can screw it multiple times with pkg :)
[17:52:06] <cypromis> just installed glassfish via pkg and now no clue what to do since all normal commands just fail
[17:52:07] <cypromis> funky
[17:54:57] <tomww> cypromis: asadmin  and that stuff is not found or`?
[17:55:12] <cypromis> its found but it does not do what I expected
[17:55:19] <cypromis> it returns com/log....
[17:55:21] <cypromis> or something
[17:55:26] <cypromis> but does not create a domain
[17:55:27] <cypromis> grrrrrrr
[17:56:15] <stevel> morning nachox
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[18:00:05] <cypromis> maybe there is a bug in os2008b98 with java ?
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[18:02:35] <denis__> hi
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[18:03:21] <denis__> Iam trying to boot open solaris express on a really old machine (pentium 2 with dual 300MHz). but it does not finish to boot
[18:03:35] <denis__> anybody knows what the hrdware requirements are?
[18:04:11] <CosmicDJ> how much ram?
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[18:04:16] <denis__> 384MB
[18:04:40] <cherp> Hello ..I just installed opensolaris over a suselinux install replacing the OS.  I have a second drive with data on it.  I would like to get to that data but i dont know what the devices is to mount it and I cant even find a fstab on my opensolaris machine?
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[18:05:18] <nachox> data? in what filesystem?
[18:05:48] <nachox> in solaris its called vfstab
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[18:05:55] <cherp> hmmm linux
[18:06:16] <cherp> oh..vfstab... whats the v for?
[18:06:22] <nachox> virtual?
[18:06:27] <ballChalk> denis__: needs 512+
[18:06:35] <denis__> shit
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[18:07:58] <nachox> cherp, solaris does not support any linux filesystem by default, but you can get some kind of ext3 support installing a package from the belenix guys
[18:08:55] <tsoome> nux is not unix, solaris is not linux. if you can keep those 2 things in mind, you may have some hope:P
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[18:09:34] <cherp> crap....I wonder if knoppix can get it..I dont even see a gparted on opensolaris
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[18:12:21] <nachox> why do you need gparted?
[18:13:23] <cherp> what would I add this drive with once I move the files off of it
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[18:14:07] <nachox> if you want to use zfs with zpool, otherwise with format and newfs
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[18:16:36] <cherp> so how do I know which /dev/dsk is the right one?
[18:17:39] <nachox> c0t0d0s0 means controller 0, target 0, disk 0, slice 0
[18:17:53] <nachox> i'm sure you can guess the rest :P
[18:18:34] <cherp> oh, ok..its not just mumbo-jumbo then :)
[18:19:09] <nachox> this is solaris mate, please
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[18:29:14] <denis__> is there a verbose boot mode?
[18:29:30] <nemski> denis__: you can turn on diagnostic mode
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[18:29:38] <denis__> how that?
[18:29:38] <nemski> stop A at boot
[18:29:54] <denis__> and on a german pc-keyboard?
[18:30:25] <tsoome> is it sparc or x86?:)
[18:30:53] <tsoome> and yes there is -v swich for kernel
[18:31:00] <tsoome> switch*
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[18:34:19] <denis__> x86
[18:34:49] <tsoome> there is no stop-a for you then:)
[18:34:53] <nemski> when it boots up
[18:34:59] <nemski> should show grub menu
[18:35:07] <nemski> press esc
[18:35:32] <nemski> then edit the boot options (will tell you how below your selection options)
[18:35:48] <nemski> and as tsoome said, add -v switch to the options
[18:35:53] <nemski> and hit enter
[18:35:55] <denis__> ok, I will try that. thanks
[18:36:18] <tsoome> an boot/man kernel will help as well
[18:36:22] <tsoome> man*
[18:36:31] <tsoome> damn, im loosing chars today:)
[18:36:50] <denis__> I want to boot the install dvd, so can't use any manual yet
[18:37:03] <tsoome> yes but you have internet;)
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[18:37:14] <tsoome> and its full of manuals;)
[18:37:30] <tsoome> esp, if you go into docs.sun.com:D
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[18:44:37] <evocallaghan> Hi
[18:44:48] <evocallaghan> Any way to stop a zpool scrub ?
[18:45:10] <e^ipi> by reading the manual page that documents how to do that?
[18:46:31] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Thanks, I missed the -s
[18:46:40] <evocallaghan> Only just noticed the bugger :p
[18:47:09] <evocallaghan> brb
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[19:00:37] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: man pages, bz2 tarballs, and packages are in the emancipation builds now
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[19:03:32] <deanrantala> Anyone have any experience with solaris cluster?
[19:05:50] <deanrantala> or grid engine?
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[19:28:57] <Matson> is there a simple console command that will return the bandwidth stats on a interface?
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[19:31:49] <seanmcg> Matson, google for nicstat
[19:32:02] <Yorlik> You could use netstat -i 10 to poll every 10 seconds
[19:32:04] <seanmcg> it'll be on Tim Cook's blog
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[19:32:38] <TomJ> seanmcg: first link is Brendan
[19:33:18] <Matson> thank you
[19:33:45] <seanmcg> the fourth link the TomJ !  http://blogs.sun.com/timc/entry/nicstat_the_solaris_network_monitoring :)
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[19:43:18] <Matson> testing different versions
[19:43:29] <Matson> looks like the sun one is newer
[19:44:49] <Matson> strangely the bragg version compiles no problems, the sun version bitches
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[19:45:16] <Matson> s/bragg/brendangregg.com
[19:46:27] <_mary_kate_> why compile it?  timc's page has binaries
[19:47:05] <cherp> Hi...I have an nvidia video card and I have the nvidia-settings but I cant save the file as my user (requires root I suppose) but I cant log on as root and I cant xhost to display nvidia-settings as root. What do I do so I dont have to reconfigure my display everytime I reboot?
[19:47:54] <Matson> tried that
[19:47:57] <Matson> binary doesn work
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[19:48:58] <Matson> ./nicstat.SunOS_i386: no matching interface
[19:49:01] <Matson> every time
[19:49:22] <Yorlik> Hmm ... I just switched from cygwin ssh to PuTTY and now see the erase key only outputs a tilde ~ - Control-D still works like erase. Does anyone know how to fix PuTTY to change that ? I went through all the options and din't find anything.
[19:49:32] <Matson> I'm also running inside a zone, so that complicates things
[19:51:07] <_mary_kate_> hmm.. does kstat work in a zone?
[19:54:41] <Matson> yup
[19:55:02] <Matson> spits out 25K lines of details
[19:55:26] <Matson> I've got it working at this point to give me what I need
[19:55:33] <Matson> a little shell hackery...
[19:56:05] <Matson> ltdeploy-upload-->cat upload_speed.sh
[19:56:06] <Matson> /home/ltdeploy/bin/nicstat -s -i e1000g2 1 2 | tail -1| sed -e 's/.*e1000g2\W*//'|sed -e 's/[0-9\.]*$//'
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[20:00:50] <cherp> Nobody can help me?
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[20:07:02] <comay> cherp, i thought that nvidia-settings save the settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf which does require root privs
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[20:12:24] <cherp> no ..I dont have permissions
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[20:15:36] <CosmicDJ> cherp: hm you could try running nvidia-settings as root...
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[20:15:56] <CosmicDJ> or you're doing a little chown/chmod as root
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[20:16:23] <CosmicDJ> or you write the config somewhere else and cp/cat it :)
[20:18:05] <stevel> anyone know what the difference is between the -global .iso and the non-global?
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[20:18:34] <stevel> n/m. found it
[20:19:01] <alanc> cherp: you can also save the settings to a file in your homedir and have it loaded in session startup - see http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=164144
[20:19:53] <alanc> stevel: compression method (gzip vs p7zip), which allows -global to have all the locale files that don't fit in the less-compressed-but-faster-uncompressing non-global
[20:20:16] <stevel> alanc: the non-global is CD-R burnable right? or does it need DVD-R?
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[20:21:17] <alanc> both are supposed to fit on CD-R - I think the recent builds like 97 & 98 are still too big for CD, hence the "What do we drop?" threads in indiana-discuss
[20:21:29] <alanc> the official 2008.05 releases fit on CD-R
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[20:22:03] <alanc> though you need a full 700Mb CD-R, not one of the older 660Mb ones
[20:22:16] <stevel> 'k. thanks
[20:22:36] <stevel> we have an ex-Sun guy who just started who is going to do some performance work for us w/ Songbird
[20:22:39] <stevel> :-D
[20:22:51] * houst0n- just installed 0.7 beta
[20:22:54] <houst0n-> works great here =)
[20:23:01] <stevel> nice
[20:23:06] <alanc> you'ld think they'd learn after that last ex-Sun guy they hired 8-)
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[20:23:16] <timsf1> ipod plugin for OpenSolaris? nudge nudge?
[20:23:27] <houst0n-> I miss my ipod :(
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[20:23:45] <houst0n-> Got an 80GB one like a week after they first came out, dropped it 4 days later and never bothered getting it fixed :(
[20:24:03] * stevel dropkicks alanc
[20:24:08] <stevel> ;)
[20:24:37] <evocallaghan> lovely
[20:24:43] <evocallaghan> How are you lads ?
[20:24:51] <stevel> timsf1: i tried building it, but ran into patch issues against libgpod and haven't had time to look into it again.  i've been working on getting it open sourced though so it won't be bottle-necked on me
[20:25:00] <timsf1> yahoo!
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[20:25:43] <evocallaghan> timsf1:I find google better ;p
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[20:29:42] <maxote> i've a question, what is the timezone of the boats? hehehe
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[20:34:02] <maxote> a boat can be jumping from timezone to timezone, :o
[20:34:27] <jbk> Sep 28 23:56:27 sabine su: [ID 810491 auth.crit] 'su root' failed for jking on /dev/pts/2
[20:34:35] <jbk> err
[20:34:38] <jbk> sorry about that
[20:34:45] <maxote> a webserver in the boat doesn't know its own timezone :o
[20:34:48] <smtms> jbk, try again with the correct password :-P
[20:35:00] <smtms> maxote, it does. it's BST - boat standard time
[20:35:14] <ballChalk> heh
[20:36:33] <holcomb> that's why we should all be on UTC all the time
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[20:37:14] <benley> holcomb++
[20:37:25] <asyd> \_o<
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[20:44:33] <benley> quack?
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[21:11:14] <corpxicle> nachox: os has the path set in .bashrc ... which overwrote the one set in the script when it started the new shell =P
[21:11:59] <nachox> no, that cant be
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[21:12:25] <nachox> .bashrc is sourced only for interactive shells
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[21:14:04] <corpxicle> but surely when you do "exec bash" that is a interactive shell ?
[21:15:01] <e^ipi> bash -l
[21:15:06] <e^ipi> also, don't use bash.
[21:15:21] <corpxicle> what does bash -l do ?
[21:15:32] <e^ipi> why not check the man page?
[21:15:36] <holcomb> login shell
[21:15:44] <holcomb> sources .bash_profile
[21:15:58] <corpxicle> so i could do exec "$SHELL -l" ?
[21:16:18] <corpxicle> that wouldnt work if the shell was something other than bash though ..
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[21:16:20] <holcomb> you could do anything you dream
[21:16:43] <corpxicle> i just put :$PATH at the end of the export statement in .bashrc
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[21:20:27] <nachox> e^ipi, i almost start laughing yesterday when i heard your part in the townhall meeting, how dare you call opensolaris indiana? :P
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[21:21:46] <nachox> corpxicle, it is an extremely bad idea to use a shell in login mode to run a script, it is also a bad idea not to override the default PATH inside your scripts
[21:22:26] <corpxicle> wait what, override the default path ? how ?
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[21:23:17] <nachox> export PATH=some_path_not_including_$PATH
[21:24:13] <corpxicle> yea but, that gets overridden by the .bashrc entries
[21:24:20] <CosmicDJ> hm isn't the default path just /usr/bin for != root ?
[21:24:34] <e^ipi> nachox: i also call SXCE 'nevada' what's your point?
[21:24:39] <MeP3aBeu> does anybody know program to emulate CD on Solaris?
[21:24:42] <nachox> no, it doesnt
[21:24:52] <e^ipi> MeP3aBeu: aside from mounting the iso as a drive?
[21:25:02] <MeP3aBeu> yeap
[21:25:14] <CosmicDJ> and creating them with mkisofs?
[21:25:16] <MeP3aBeu> I want mount iso as a drive
[21:25:17] <e^ipi> not, uhh...  exactly sure what you're looking for then
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[21:25:24] <nachox> e^ipi, the indiana guys want to get rid of the indiana name, the nevada guys are ok with it
[21:25:34] <e^ipi> so use lofiadm(1M) and mount(1M)
[21:25:41] <MeP3aBeu> thnx!
[21:26:15] <e^ipi> nachox: *shrug* ambiguous name = disambiguating usage of other related terms
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[21:30:49] <nachox> whats hostid in nv_100?
[21:31:21] <corpxicle> say wut, i dont get bsd ps with opensolaris ??
[21:31:38] <e^ipi> nachox: really? because the man page is that hard to read?
[21:31:44] <e^ipi> corpxicle: nope
[21:31:49] <e^ipi> corpxicle: ps -ef is your friend
[21:31:51] * corpxicle whines like a baby
[21:31:55] <corpxicle> i need wider!!
[21:32:07] <corpxicle> /usr/ucb/ps -auxwww
[21:32:10] <corpxicle> thats more like it
[21:32:37] <corpxicle> tried this but its not exactly very readable : pargs -ae `ps -ef | grep jdk | awk '{print $2}'`
[21:32:56] <nachox> e^ipi, no i assumed it wouldnt have one in an older nevada release for x86
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[21:34:35] <spo0ner> hows it going everyone...question about format and using it to validate a scsi disk
[21:35:34] <spo0ner> there are several tests for format but I need the fastest one that can verify the disk...I need it to show if there are any errors in read/write
[21:36:01] <spo0ner> I don't care about the data on the drive...just to make sure the drive itself is good
[21:36:17] <spo0ner> so that if I did an iostat -E it would show hard errors if the drive has issues
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[21:37:09] <spo0ner> I picked the "test" one...but not sure if thats the fastest
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[21:39:12] <spo0ner> any takers?
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[21:42:15] <edgy> Hi, I am new to RBAC, I want to allow myuser to execute one command only (ls) so I added to prof_attr: myprofile:::Only ls: and to exec_attr: myprofile:suser:cmd:::/usr/bin/ls then usrmod -P "myprofile" myuser;  I also removed the entries in AUTHS_GRANTED and PROFS_GRANTED from policy.conf  but still the user can execute all the normal command
[21:43:32] <hile_> pfexec ls
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[21:47:22] <edgy> hile_: I got /usr/bin/ls: can't get execution attributes
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[21:51:33] <lblume> Hi all
[21:51:35] <edgy> hile_: can you guide me to any doc that shows how to allow users to execute some commands only?
[21:52:21] <hile_> try the rbac doco
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[21:52:26] <lblume> I've got a question following a slipping finger mistake: any chance to recover a deleted file on ZFS? No snapshot on this one :-/
[21:54:36] <e^ipi> no, run snapshots regularly
[21:54:49] <e^ipi> timsf has integrated an SMF service to automate this task
[21:55:16] <lblume> I do it, unluckily not on that particular FS.
[21:55:27] <CosmicDJ> edgy: well it's not rbac, but maybe it's helpful for you -> http://sackheads.org/~ssoriche/howto/restrictssh.html
[21:57:01] <CosmicDJ> edgy: honestly, IMHO rbac is more about giving restricted users more privileges instead of restricting them further...
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[22:01:54] <edgy> CosmicDJ: the users have physical access so I cannot use restrictssh. So according to your experience rbac cannot restrict users to some commands only?
[22:03:42] <CosmicDJ> I have no experience restricting users with rbac; anyway, if you don't trust them, give each of them his own zone; they can't do much harm in there...
[22:04:02] <_mary_kate_> rbac isn't for removing basic privileges from user, it's for adding more
[22:04:13] <_mary_kate_> to remove privileges you want MAC, which solaris implements as Trusted Extensions
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[22:07:21] <nachox> actually, you can remove privileges with RBAC
[22:07:45] <e^ipi> indeed
[22:07:50] <e^ipi> there are deny directives
[22:08:25] <CosmicDJ> but there's no "only allow ls" directive...
[22:09:24] <edgy> thanks for the clarification. how can I use this deny directive to deny some commands then?
[22:10:04] <nachox> but it can be done, as to how useful it'll be... i dont know, you'd have to let the user have a shell at least too which grants him access to a lot of other stuff
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[22:16:26] <cherp> can someone tell me how to add my second hard drive in..I would prefer to get a GUI like gparted but im having issues with this whole format thing
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[22:16:56] <e^ipi> just give it to ZFS
[22:17:00] <e^ipi> forget about format
[22:17:10] <CosmicDJ> cherp: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5093/disksxadd-38159?a=view
[22:17:15] <_mary_kate_> unless it's your mirrored boot disk, then you need to do format
[22:17:33] <e^ipi> _mary_kate_: not if you're using zfs
[22:18:12] <_mary_kate_> e^ipi: if that's true, it must have changed very recently
[22:18:16] <e^ipi> you just use prtvtoc and fmthard to make sure the partitions line up
[22:18:29] <_mary_kate_> oh, you're nitpicking
[22:18:37] <e^ipi> here, have a blagocube: http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html
[22:18:57] <nachox> you cant give zfs the whole disk and be done with it?
[22:19:09] <_mary_kate_> although, i wasn't aware fmthard knew how to create SOLARIS2 partitions on x86 disks
[22:19:18] <e^ipi> nachox: not if you'd like to be able to continue to boot off it after the one with the boot partition fails
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[22:19:54] <cherp> i dont even know how im supposed to determine which disk is my second drive
[22:20:13] <e^ipi> mount, zpool status, or format
[22:20:32] <e^ipi> if you try to use format oun a mounted disk, it'll bitch
[22:21:40] <cherp> zpool list only shows 1 drive..Knoppix sees both
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[22:23:08] <nachox> how many drives does format show?
[22:23:26] <nachox> zpool will only list drives that are actually part of a zpool
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[22:24:24] <cherp> 2
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[22:26:06] <cherp> actually this time its formatting...you guys must have scared it
[22:26:47] <e^ipi> cherp: what is it you're doing with format exactly anyways?
[22:27:15] <nachox> i was  about to ask the same thing
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[22:29:15] <cherp> I had suse linux on this machine with 2 drives and I installed opensolaris but it only utilized the main drive (due to ext3)  so I wanted to format the second drive to make it useable now
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[22:31:14] <CosmicDJ> then go ahead and do it :)
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[22:32:35] <cherp> thanks cya
[22:35:23] <edgy> Sirs, after your explanation of rbac I tought I got it but this question on the net cofused me more: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1213999
[22:37:27] <e^ipi> that's a question from a test
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[22:37:32] <e^ipi> it's designed to trick you
[22:37:33] <e^ipi> ignore it
[22:37:46] <edgy> e^ipi: it's from an scsa exam almost
[22:37:49] <e^ipi> yes
[22:38:26] <edgy> e^ipi: the question is wrong?
[22:39:31] <e^ipi> no, the question is intentionally obtuse
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[22:40:15] <nachox> there is a right answer though, isnt there?
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[22:41:01] <CosmicDJ> nachox: you said it's possible :p
[22:41:23] <nachox> i didnt say it was a good idea
[22:41:31] <edgy> e^ipi: I am studying for the exam from sun manuals now, so if I had that stupid question what shall I do?
[22:42:24] <nachox> A,C,D would be my answer, but i'm not sure
[22:43:03] <e^ipi> edgy: you should probably read the manual because even if we give you the answer to that, you won't see that question on the exam
[22:43:17] <edgy> nachox: yes, it seems the most logic answer for now
[22:43:54] <edgy> e^ipi: yes, I would read more about rbac but you already told me I cannot restrict a login to execute a limited number of commands, right?
[22:44:45] <edgy> e^ipi: and the question is about restricting and the manuals has no example of restricting so I would get lost even if I read and read and read and read
[22:44:56] <nachox> i dont think you understand the question
[22:45:05] <e^ipi> edgy: you'll look for the term 'deny'
[22:45:23] <e^ipi> edgy: and i didn't say you can't do that
[22:47:10] <edgy> e^ipi: but this is not in the sun manual I have :( I will google for it
[22:48:14] <nachox> the question does not say the user will only be allowed to excecute the commands allowed by rbac
[22:49:44] <edgy> nachox: yes but E. change the default profile in /etc/security/policy.conf to one that does not allow execution of any commands, can I do that?
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[22:50:06] <Yorlik> How do i reconfigure jdscbe to work with gcc instead of ss11s CC ?
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[22:50:33] <nachox> edgy, you risk breaking a LOT of things
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[22:52:07] <edgy> nachox: forget about breaking now, can I use policy.conf to not allow execution of any commands? I am still googling for this deny directive e^ipi mentioned
[22:53:45] <nachox> it is a global setting, you can take away the privilege to fork, but i dont think you understand what that'll do
[22:55:15] <CosmicDJ> maybe e^ipi should have said "limit" instead of deny...
[22:55:17] <edgy> The truth is yes I am getting lost and don't understand now.
[22:56:09] <nachox> read the docs about RBAC
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[22:58:28] <edgy> CosmicDJ: I would also search for this limit but if you can point me to a man or doc, I would appreciate it. this is not in sun manuals I have
[22:58:42] <seanmcg> a nice 5 second intro to RBAC is: http://blogs.sun.com/security/entry/spotd_the_guide_book_to, but ya read the docs, slowly.
[22:58:47] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: maybe he should have
[22:59:42] <edgy> seanmcg: thanks for the link, I would read that now ...
[23:01:23] <seanmcg> and the docs, don't forget to read the docs, slowly and carefully.  They'll be a reference to go back to, time again...  Read the docs.  I said that didn't I ?
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[23:05:51] <edgy> seanmcg: I swear  you did ;) I will read many of them I promise but it seems to be a big topic
[23:06:24] <edgy> the exam only covers the fundamental but may be they are cheating ;)
[23:06:45] <CosmicDJ> back to your exam question "The system administrator wants to create a login that can only execute a limited number of commands using RBAC. Which three steps must be taken to accomplish this? (Choose three.)" I think this is about roles and not (really) about privileges
[23:06:49] <seanmcg> .. thats why read em sloowly and carefully..  RBAC can be tricky as you're finding.
[23:06:49] <nachox> i wonder if there are some SCSA examples i can see, i'd love to take that exam
[23:06:52] <CosmicDJ> think of a shutdown role
[23:07:30] <CosmicDJ> this role can only be used to shutdown/restart the system, nothing more
[23:08:32] <nachox> actually it can be used for everything you use your regular user account, plus shutting down/restarting the system
[23:09:12] <CosmicDJ> the regular user account is quite restricted IMHO
[23:11:20] <edgy> nachox: if you google you would find people posting example questions, which is not legal but they do anyway
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[23:14:18] <e^ipi> alanc: heh, 1995
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[23:14:39] <e^ipi> quite a while for it to be sitting on the queue, to have me bang out a solution in an hour on a saturday
[23:15:15] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: did you see my message from this morning?
[23:15:29] <e^ipi> probably not
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[23:17:34] <Yorlik> I tried to compile an apache module which requires mysql. I got an error message during "configure" which told me the mysql.h header was present but not compilable. I was pointing the config to /usr/mysql. What am I missing ?
[23:17:57] <Yorlik> Is there a special mysql development package ?
[23:18:23] <jbk> how painful is it to setup iscsi on nevada?
[23:18:40] <e^ipi> zfs set shareiscsi=on foo/bar
[23:18:41] <e^ipi> ?
[23:18:52] <jbk> i mean to mount
[23:19:08] <e^ipi> oh
[23:19:09] <e^ipi> nfi
[23:19:33] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: jbk: packaging and man pages are now supported in the emanc. builds; also tar.bz2's are created by default for packages
[23:19:37] <sstallion_work> should make life easy for dists
[23:19:37] <alanc> e^ipi: my favorite ancient unfixed bug in Solaris turned 20 this year
[23:19:41] <e^ipi> nice
[23:19:51] <e^ipi> alanc: hooray, one more year and it can drink in the states
[23:20:02] <jbk> which bug?
[23:20:13] <alanc> 1011997 talk doesn't work between x86 and sparc
[23:20:26] <sstallion_work> haha
[23:20:40] <alanc> annoyed us a lot back in the early 90's when I was a university sysadmin, these days, I don't know if anyone uses talk instead of IM
[23:20:46] <sstallion_work> I actually miss talk sometimes
[23:21:05] <alanc> Reported on: 4.0, solaris_2.1, solaris_2.2, solaris_2.4, solaris_9, sunos_3.5, sunos_4.0.2, sunos_4.1.1, sunos_4.1.2, sys4-3.2
[23:21:23] <alanc> gotta admire a bug reported against sunos_3.5 that's still broken in opensolaris
[23:22:22] <edgy> CosmicDJ: thanks for all the hints I will save this discussion and reread it after reading more docs regarding roles and rbac. thanks again
[23:23:05] <e^ipi> wouldn't that just involve a couple htonfoo wrappers?
[23:25:13] <e^ipi> if it's really that big of a deal i can write a patch for it and have it built & tested in a couple hours
[23:25:33] <Yorlik> Is there a way to tell jdscbe to use gcc instead of CC after installation when one decided CC at the first place ?
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[23:26:05] <e^ipi> Yorlik: you prefer unoptimized code?
[23:28:24] <Yorlik> It seems the apache module I want to compile refuses to cooperate with CC
[23:28:41] <Yorlik> CC is my standard usually
[23:29:12] <smtms> Apache module in C++?
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[23:29:53] <Yorlik> There is a completely cool database driver for mod_authn_dbd I want to compile (mysql driver) for mysql based authentication. ( apr_dbd_mysql.so)
[23:29:59] <Yorlik> I think its c
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[23:30:17] <_mary_kate_> Yorlik: if it's C, you should use cc, not CC
[23:30:20] <_mary_kate_> CC is a C++ compiler
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[23:32:17] <Yorlik> Well .. I got the vanilla sources .. they seem to work properly with my environment anyways ... <scratches head> ... is there a way to get the sources used to build the sxce apache packages ?
[23:32:52] <e^ipi> they're in SFW, innit?
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[23:33:04] <Yorlik> <== is usually a complete non-programmer
[23:33:18] <Yorlik> Hmm .. checking ..
[23:33:40] <sstallion_work> I think he meant the CC env var.
[23:33:52] <sstallion_work> CXX would be used for C++
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[23:36:18] <Yorlik> Actually I used env.sh to set up the environment ... I'll check sfw -- it has apache, mybe the driver is in it, though not in sxce
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[23:37:52] <debian19> hi, is normal that my opensolaris take, more than 2 hours to install ???
[23:38:42] <sstallion_work> Yorlik: CC may also be set in the specfile
[23:38:53] <sstallion_work> (assuming you are using SFE or something similar)
[23:39:36] <Yorlik> Actually I think I tried something a bit stupid - I could build a part of the package, but not all. i think its some configuration problem .
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[23:41:47] <Yorlik> I wish that driver would be in sxce.
[23:41:56] <Yorlik> I don't understand at all why it is not.
[23:42:05] <Yorlik> Since it is in the apache svn
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[23:43:23] <Yorlik> Its just fun if you can very easy have a single location for user/passwd records for Drupal, mediawiki, phpbb and restricted webspace
[23:43:49] <e^ipi> like ldap?
[23:43:54] <seanmcg> I would have though the usual way for that would be to use ldap
[23:43:56] <Yorlik> Yes.
[23:44:17] <Yorlik> Try to authenticat all the software I mentioned against ldap.
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[23:44:26] <Yorlik> its often experimental modules and stuf.
[23:45:01] <_mary_kate_> mediawiki at least has very strong ldap auth
[23:45:31] <Yorlik> I wonder if there is cookie based authentication for webpages ...
[23:46:41] <seanmcg> Yorlik, why not just setup authentication against a small ldap server ?
[23:47:22] <Yorlik> Because i want to have a single point of authentication for everything. And if I have stuff which doesn't like ldap - like phpbb or drupal (all experimental stuff) ....
[23:48:03] <Yorlik> Maybe i should just use another CMS and forum which supports ldap ... I think it could save me hassle ...
[23:48:26] <e^ipi> 1your single auth stuff supports some random apache module but not ldap?
[23:48:45] <Yorlik> Yes. Its strange
[23:49:09] <Yorlik> If you can tell me a good free CMS, blogthing and forum for ldap authentication ...
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[23:51:24] <e^ipi> opencms? alfresco?
[23:52:05] <e^ipi> IIRC those both auth against whatever the JavaEE server gives them... could be a file, could be ldap, could be custom rolled
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[23:52:39] <seanmcg> yo timsf
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[23:52:47] <seanmcg> oh :(
[23:52:52] <Yorlik> Uh -- javaEE ... Another new thing to me ...
[23:53:07] <Yorlik> erm .. NEW ,, to
[23:53:36] <e^ipi> meh, you just use a javaEE server instead of apache and you're golden
[23:53:48] <seanmcg> or glashfish ?
[23:53:56] <e^ipi> seanmcg: glassfish is a javaee server
[23:54:20] <Yorlik> JavaEE is the middleware, right ?
[23:54:37] <e^ipi> quite a nice one as far as i can tell, although I haven't used enough of them in a capacity to really give me the experience to judge properly
[23:54:48] <e^ipi> Yorlik: javaee is mostly the entire platform
[23:55:07] <seanmcg> right, e^ipi, I was confused there for a moment, thinking of the other app server
[23:55:16] <e^ipi> Yorlik: the server talks to a database (sometimes the server /is/ a database ), and everything else is all javaEE
[23:55:31] <e^ipi> until the user sees it, then it's regular html & similar
[23:56:09] <Yorlik> Does JavaEE provide ready made applications or would I have to get them elsewhere (like forum CMS and stuff ? Or the things you pointed to like opencms)
[23:57:33] <e^ipi> no, but there's so much java stuff out there, you can find a dozen javaee apps that do whatever you want
[23:58:00] <e^ipi> much the same way as how apache + mod_php don't come with anything
[23:58:15] <e^ipi> but there's hundreds of php apps out there that you shovel on to it
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