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[00:12:43] <hspaans> g'day all
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[00:19:21] <jpill> hello, openSOl comunity
[00:20:57] <e^ipi> or a subset thereof
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[00:22:14] <ZOP> how can you change the baud rate for teh serial installer on ttya via grub?
[00:28:34] <hspaans> ZOP: check "help serial"
[00:29:30] <hspaans> ZOP: that is on the grub commandline
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[00:31:34] <ZOP> hspaans: not for grub, for OpenSolaris kernel
[00:31:40] <ZOP> eg -B ????=????
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[00:32:06] <ZOP> i know that -B console=ttya to get console, but i'm honestly used to SPARCs where i can set the baud in openfirmware
[00:32:15] <ZOP> i don't know the equivalent X86 commands
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[00:32:59] <asarch> Beautiful!
[00:33:08] <asarch> SXCE already has anti-aliasing fonts!
[00:33:10] <asarch> :-)
[00:34:37] <hspaans> ZOP: kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot -B console=ttya,ttya-mode="115200,8,n,1,-"
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[00:37:14] <ZOP> ah! so you can set it using the eeprom variable on the -B command
[00:37:18] <ZOP> ok thanks hspaans
[00:37:36] <ZOP> have i mentioned i LOATHE the x86 BIOS?
[00:37:37] <ZOP> :)
[00:39:02] <hspaans> the x86 platform is insane
[00:39:13] <ZOP> yeah it's worse when you REALLY know whats going on
[00:39:34] <Aria> For sure.
[00:39:44] <Aria> And then better again. And then horrible once you know how other systems do it.
[00:40:00] <ZOP> CPLD fires up, maps things out so the proc can get to the BIOS at mem addr 0x0, then BIOS starts, sets some stuff up, then eventualyl decides to blindly start executing code at 0xC000 -- this is supposed to be (atleast hopefully) the VGA BIOS
[00:40:19] <ZOP> at some point the VGA BIOS helpfully returns control back to the system BIOS
[00:40:26] <ZOP> which then starts painting the screen and finishing init.
[00:40:31] <asarch> Hey, I remember two project for software fo SXCE, one of them was "blastwave", right?
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[00:40:38] <asarch> What is the other one?
[00:40:44] <hspaans> CSW
[00:40:53] <hspaans> www.opencsw.org
[00:41:21] <hspaans> ZOP: like I said, it's insane
[00:41:23] <ZOP> at some point later then the bios starts to execute MORE guessing code starting at 0xC800, and going in 2KB increments, hoping that each device helpfully returns control to the BIOS without effing it up.  Once that's done, then it might give you a chance to run BIOS setup.
[00:41:24] <asarch> There is other one
[00:41:38] <ZOP> hmmmm....  no dice...wonder if i got the wrong args.
[00:41:58] <asarch> SunFreeware!
[00:43:15] <hspaans> time to figure out how we can do a live upgrade on zfsboot
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[00:44:43] <turtle> google it, it's out there.
[00:46:48] <ZOP> yup i mis-typed...getting good console output now.
[00:46:50] <ZOP> wootage.
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[00:48:37] <ZOP> atleast solaris 'gets' a serial console.
[00:48:56] <ZOP> most Linux distro's can't install or anything via serial console, they get all hung up on being on the real console.
[00:48:58] <hspaans> turtle: google? what is wrong with reading documentation?
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[00:56:15] <turtle> uh this is 2008 you don't "read documentation", you just google for some obscure forum post that's half right
[00:56:22] <turtle> get with the times
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[01:00:30] <hspaans> turtle: since when is this channel #linux?
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[01:02:07] <myrkraverk> hspaans, since 7. oct 1325 ?
[01:03:50] <h3sp4wn> hspaans: It just works really - lucreate -n snv_98; mount -F hsfs /export/home/foo/the.iso /mnt; luupgrade -u -s /mnt; luactivate -n snv_98; init 6 (not checked the commands but basically it just works)
[01:04:16] <e^ipi> turtle: reading documentation involves understanding what you're doing... much better to type random arcana (as root) that you don't understand that some (possibly malicious) internet retard told you to
[01:04:28] <e^ipi> that's why Howto's and tutorials are so popular
[01:04:30] <Stric> myrkraverk: a slight modification of your nick; myrkraftverk means Ant Power Plant in Swedish.. interesting thought, eh?
[01:04:55] <myrkraverk> Stric, yeah ;)
[01:08:16] <ZOP> hrm
[01:08:27] <ZOP> i wonder if there's an e1000 bug here...
[01:09:19] <asarch> Is there any way to use your laptop as a telephone machine?
[01:09:28] <Stric> skype?
[01:09:31] <hspaans> h3sp4wn: I say opensolaris.com uses beadm so I'm checking ;-)
[01:09:33] <asarch> My telephone machine is broken an I need to make a call
[01:09:37] <Stric> (or other sip software)
[01:09:44] <asarch> No, not VOIP
[01:09:59] <Stric> a modem and.. err.. I dunno
[01:10:02] <Stric> but "no"
[01:10:08] <asarch> Damn! :-(
[01:10:16] <ballChalk> use ip-relay.com
[01:10:17] <Stric> get a cell phone like everyone else
[01:10:27] <e^ipi> or go find a payphone
[01:10:42] <ballChalk> ip-relay... free, and can make calls from your pc just by typing
[01:10:44] <Stric> they are almost extinct in Sweden
[01:11:10] <Stric> because just about everyone has a mobile phone
[01:13:06] <asarch> :-(
[01:13:41] <ballChalk> asarch: ip-relay.com doesn't work for you?
[01:13:50] <asarch> Why NetBeans is not included in SXCE b98?
[01:13:55] <asarch> Let me check ballChalk
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[01:15:31] <asarch> Can I make a phone call from ip-relay.com to a "normal" telephone number?
[01:15:34] <ballChalk> yes
[01:15:39] <ballChalk> a person talks for you
[01:16:41] <asarch> Oh
[01:16:59] <asarch> Someone read what you are typing and the speaks it?
[01:17:03] <ballChalk> yes
[01:17:42] <ZOP> it's for deaf/hard of hearing, teletype relay like service
[01:17:59] <e^ipi> without the pesky "privacy guarantee"
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[01:18:41] <e^ipi> you can conspire to commit crimes via TTY and IIRC they're not allowed to do anythnig about it legally
[01:18:56] <ShadowHntr> ROFL
[01:19:27] <e^ipi> not that legality has ever really stopped the phone companies from turning over your info
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[01:38:48] <asarch> How can I check system's temperature?
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[01:40:09] <TomJ> put your hand in it
[01:40:29] <asarch> lol :-D
[01:40:46] <e^ipi> http://tinyurl.com/3or793
[01:40:48] <asarch> Did you eat clown? Because you are so funny today
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[01:47:39] <matsuura> Infected Mushroom live today in seattle :)
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[01:49:00] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: around ?
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[01:49:37] <e^ipi> hheya
[01:49:58] <sstallion_work> any chance you know where the hell the doco repo/scripts live ?
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[01:50:00] <sstallion_work> are they even open ?
[01:52:03] <sstallion_work> just found it
[01:52:05] <sstallion_work> hrmm
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[03:38:39] <Tpenta> awww, benr beatme to having a go at that zemmlin article, well unless you count me mentioningit in my SFD talk yesterday
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[03:53:16] <jbk> Tpenta: so did stevel
[03:53:22] <jbk> heh
[03:53:33] <jbk> i just tried to comment on benr's blog and it thinks i'm spam :)
[03:53:54] <jbk> oh well
[03:54:42] <jbk> i guess i'll have to leave it to someone else to reply and point out that if systemtap is any indication, i don't think anyone will be holding their breath on btrfs
[03:58:11] <e^ipi> heh
[03:58:21] <e^ipi> i'll post that line directly
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[04:00:04] * jamesd wonders why we dont hear the *bsd users whining about how they can put feature Y into there kernel.
[04:00:23] <jamesd> er linux feature Y into there  kernel.
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[04:01:06] <e^ipi> has anyone in solaris-land complained about not being able to put a linux feature in our kernel?
[04:01:13] <e^ipi> does linux even /have/ features ?
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[04:09:11] <jbk> actually my original attempt was much better
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[04:09:39] <jbk> basically
[04:11:57] <jbk> DTrace has been ported to FreeBSD, OS X, and QNX.  Obviously the increasing number of points is a sign of decreasing popularity.  Also, with more time and more people, SystemTap has not been able to achieve feature parity with the original release of Dtrace.  Then into the bit about zfs
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[05:08:53] <_dsw[pub]> uh
[05:09:01] <_dsw[pub]> better not go on irc
[05:14:15] * sstallion yawns.
[05:15:02] <jbk> evening
[05:15:18] <sstallion> zemmlin article ?
[05:15:24] <sstallion> heya jbk
[05:15:44] <jbk> http://cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=972
[05:15:53] <_dsw[pub]> benr < *
[05:16:00] <_dsw[pub]> kidding
[05:16:04] <_dsw[pub]> top bloke
[05:16:19] <_dsw[pub]> im goinf to bed 0 night all
[05:16:33] <jbk> my friend loved the title
[05:18:57] <sstallion> heh its a good entry
[05:21:07] <jbk> e^ipi was nice enough to post a shortened version of what i tried to post but it said was spam
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[05:21:21] <sstallion> bummer
[05:21:42] <sstallion> think I could talk you into throwing together a README in the root of the drivers tree ?
[05:21:57] <jbk> what would you want in it?
[05:23:03] <sstallion> probably just a quick and dirty description of the project and relevant links
[05:23:28] <sstallion> i'm adding a toplevel pkgdefs dir which links to onnv so we can start generating packages
[05:24:00] <jbk> i can try to throw something together in the next few days
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[05:24:18] <jbk> a friend's supposed to be stopping by then we're supposed to head out to a concert
[05:24:38] <jbk> but he's waiting on some other people who are running late...
[05:25:14] <sstallion> cool
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[05:25:22] <sstallion> speaking of which, everything dnet went well ?
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[05:26:02] <jbk> lemme ask
[05:26:10] <jbk> i was just talking to friend that was messing w/ that
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[05:52:15] <lucianno> hi guys
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[06:22:37] <e^ipi> what uuuuuuup! http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2008092603/
[06:22:40] <e^ipi> Heads-up: Solaris support for Rock processor
[06:26:05] <jbk> wonder if they're ever gonna update libdisasm to support the new instructions :)
[06:29:00] <e^ipi> wouldn't they have to?
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[06:34:19] <ky-san> hi
[06:35:08] <jbk> apparently not
[06:36:49] <jbk> well i haven't checked, but i doubt it
[06:37:52] <ky-san> I've just tried to install SXCE b98 on Ultra5 w/320mib RAM
[06:38:01] <ninjaslim> what's the minimum reqs for sxce
[06:38:09] <ky-san> 512
[06:38:17] <ky-san> well, http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1212063
[06:38:25] <ky-san> the installation went in a text mode
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[06:39:22] <ky-san> okay it has just rebooted
[06:39:26] <ky-san> let's see
[06:39:37] <jbk> oh wow
[06:39:40] <jbk> i stand corrected
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[06:41:37] <jbk> though i could swear a few are missing
[06:42:04] <ky-san> WARNING: consconfig: cannot find driver for screen device /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1/SUNW,m64B@2
[06:42:20] <jbk> it is interesting to look through the diff :)
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[06:47:57] <ky-san> SunOS ultra5 5.11 snv_98 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10
[06:47:59] <jbk> ok this has piqued my curiousity
[06:48:05] <ky-san> (it was uname -a)
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[06:57:48] <jbk> ok there are still 2 instructions missing, though i think they are sun4v and not rock specific
[07:01:09] <jbk> e^ipi: so i was mostly wrong, though amusingly, had the piped up -- 99% of the work they did on it was already done by me a long time ago :)
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[07:04:50] <jbk> on an unrelated note, any reports of nv_sata issues w/ recent builds?
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[07:17:49] <e^ipi> hey jbk , want to take a look at something for me?
[07:22:19] <jbk> sure
[07:22:28] <e^ipi> http://cr.opensolaris.org/~error404/chsh/
[07:22:49] <e^ipi> i just noticed an arguments passing bug, but the rest of the approach
[07:22:51] <e^ipi> sane, or insane?
[07:23:13] <e^ipi> ( this is done entirely without mandate )
[07:23:15] <jbk> well one nit: #ident line
[07:23:29] <jmcp> yeah
[07:23:49] <jmcp> *if* we were still using teamware you'd want that to be a #pragma :)
[07:25:16] <jmcp> e^ipi: I think you should use the octal values for SUID rather than the symbolic
[07:25:22] <jbk> umm check_shell -- why the arbitrary 20 char limit?
[07:25:24] <jmcp> we tend to use octal in Makefiles
[07:26:27] <jbk> i don't suppose passmgmt is priv aware?
[07:28:18] <jmcp> why have ":s:u:l" for your getopt args, when both : and ? result in badargs++ and eventually a usage() message?
[07:29:29] <e^ipi> jmcp: i didn't touch that file, and i don't intend on it
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[07:30:05] <jmcp> I imagine your RTI advocate will want an answer to that q
[07:30:06] <e^ipi> it's from onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/oamuser/user/call_pass.c
[07:30:12] <jbk> with change_user -- i would want someone else to be sure there's no way to escape out of the passmgmt call
[07:30:30] <jbk> you might want to move the badarg check out of the switch statement
[07:31:21] <jbk> just set the sargs,largs, uargs in the switch (+ optarg as appropriate), then outside of it, look at the values and check for mutually exclusive flags
[07:31:43] <jbk> but that's more style/preferene
[07:31:46] <jbk> +c
[07:31:57] <jbk> jmcp: so.. i guess you can ditch that libdisasm workspace :)
[07:33:25] <jmcp> jbk: yeah :)
[07:33:33] <jbk> though he missed 2
[07:33:37] <jbk> :)
[07:33:52] <jmcp> log a bug :)
[07:33:54] <jbk> but i think those are sun4v, not rock specific (i'd have to dig through the docs)
[07:35:12] <jmcp> I dunno for sure
[07:35:22] <jbk> now i need to figure out why the latest on is panicing on my desktop
[07:35:27] <jbk> it's getting in the way of my testing
[07:35:34] <jbk> nv_sata error
[07:35:47] <jbk> and of course it's during boot, so no core file :)
[07:35:59] <jmcp> what's the actual error?
[07:36:32] <jbk> lemme try it again
[07:36:33] <jbk> one sec
[07:38:47] <palowoda> jbk: It's not related to this: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2008091101/   ??
[07:43:11] <jbk> heh actually that sounds exactly like what i hit :)
[07:43:21] <jbk> page fault at nv_sgp_led_init+e4
[07:43:34] <jbk> interestingly two notices before that are
[07:43:51] <jbk> nv_sata inst 0: GPIO reported undocumented drive count 0
[07:43:52] <jbk> ...
[07:44:06] <jbk> nv_stat int 1: SGPIO reported undocumented drive count 255
[07:44:18] <jbk> err first one should be SGPIO (keys are wearing out on this laptop)
[07:44:22] <jbk> then the page fault
[07:44:55] <jbk> so sounds like I should do another pull and remerge
[07:45:20] <palowoda> alan perry did mention it was fixed.
[07:46:45] <jbk> hence why i should repull :)
[07:47:00] <palowoda> :)
[07:48:11] <jbk> of course now
[07:48:21] <jbk> i need to track down the right ss12 tarball
[07:53:02] <jbk> i don't suppose the sunstudioexpress would work.. ?
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[07:54:04] <guru][> opensolaris newbie. ne1 wanna help :)
[07:55:38] <jbk> it helps if you ask a question :)
[07:57:24] <guru][> yeah, just to make sure that there is someone alive :)
[07:58:06] <guru][> ok, look, i just installed the opensolaris 200805 in my freebsd partion, the installation went well
[07:58:26] <guru][> but i got stupid grub, cuz i can't log in into my Centos
[07:58:45] <guru][> plust the ethernet card did't recognize and the sound card too
[07:58:57] <guru][> wireless card too as well
[07:59:12] <guru][> sounds it's lack for hardware support
[07:59:35] <guru][> so i missed with the /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:59:45] <guru][> just to add my Centos
[07:59:45] <jbk> what kind of hardware (chipset) are they?
[07:59:49] <guru][> just like this
[07:59:57] <guru][> root (hd0,4)
[08:00:26] <guru][> kernel /boot/vmlinuz xxxxxx ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet
[08:00:34] <jbk> i mean your ethernet, sound, and wireless card
[08:00:42] <guru][> initrd /boot/initr xxxxxx.img
[08:00:47] <guru][> but did't works
[08:01:12] <guru][> about the network cards, it's stupid Broadcom
[08:01:33] <guru][> but it least i should got the ethrnet one works
[08:01:40] <guru][> it=at*
[08:02:17] <jbk> broadcom has updated drivers for their ethernet chips available on their website, i would try that
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[08:02:28] <jbk> if you grab oss, that'll probably support your sound card
[08:02:43] <jbk> for wireless, you're stuck with ndiswrapper or replacing it
[08:03:06] <guru][> yeah, i know how to do that with ndiswrapper
[08:03:19] <guru][> but what what do you mean with oss
[08:03:28] <guru][> ?
[08:03:43] <Gekz> why are we talking about linux inher
[08:03:48] <Gekz> hierin
[08:04:08] <akshay> hi
[08:04:15] <guru][> jbk, what about grub issue?
[08:04:22] <guru][> hi akshay
[08:04:27] <palowoda> guru[]: open sound system  http://www.opensound.com/
[08:04:43] <guru][> aha, i see, thanks alot palowoda
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[08:04:57] <akshay> hi
[08:05:04] <Drigo> =)
[08:05:24] <Drigo> question: opensolaris or archlinux?
[08:05:24] <Drigo> rs
[08:05:36] <akshay> linux
[08:05:39] <e^ipi> whichever suits your needs best
[08:05:51] <akshay> linux
[08:06:04] <akshay> i was looking for the source code of linux
[08:06:09] <akshay> can i get it some where
[08:06:12] <guru][> OpenSolaris Drigo
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[08:06:21] <guru][> 200805
[08:06:45] <jbk> aww
[08:07:02] <Drigo> programing in ruby on rails and java
[08:07:06] <jbk> i was gonna send him to 'warez.madhack.com' :)
[08:07:31] <guru][> so anyone familiar with grub to add CentOS 5.2 in my menu.lst?
[08:08:29] <Drigo> guru][: Why OpenSolaris ?
[08:09:24] <e^ipi> Drigo: you're here, which means your obviously interested, so just try it. there's a laundry list of features why you would choose it rather than linux
[08:09:57] <Drigo> ok e^ipi :D
[08:10:09] <e^ipi> performance, security, stability, dtrace, zfs, zones, rbac
[08:10:10] <e^ipi> etc, etc.
[08:10:31] <guru][> Drigo, to be honest with you, first of all, i got original copy from someone working in Sun, Solaris 10  01/06 but when i want to install it did't recognize to my Sata driver,
[08:10:34] <e^ipi> but ultimately try it, run your benchmarks, and see if it suits your purposes better
[08:10:56] <guru][> second of all, job opportunity ;)
[08:11:09] <maxote> Sun is fucking you in Sata hard disks
[08:11:13] <guru][> so i just downloaded the 200805
[08:11:23] <guru][> and i got stucked in grub and alot of things
[08:11:35] <maxote> return back to bsd if you want
[08:11:39] <palowoda> guru[]: It's not that bad you search on opensolaris.org say with terms boot linux with grub. Or search on the articles onhttp://www.sun.com/bigadmin/home/index.html
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[08:12:19] <Drigo> guru][:  job opportunity with OpenSolaris? ;O
[08:12:42] <guru][> Drigo, yep, cuz most of oil companys over here are using Solaris
[08:13:00] <Drigo> o.O
[08:13:04] <guru][> and i guess OpenSolaris is Solaris's little kid :)
[08:13:12] <Drigo> I speak from brazil :/
[08:13:33] <Drigo> hahaha
[08:13:39] 
[08:13:43] <jbk> guru][: where are you?
[08:13:55] <guru][> libya :)
[08:14:03] <palowoda> Wow
[08:14:08] <Drigo> O.O
[08:14:09] <Drigo> lol
[08:14:15] <guru][> you guys know libya?
[08:14:25] <maxote> guru][: install freebsd and many sata disks
[08:14:26] <jbk> yes
[08:14:30] <guru][> it's in the front of italy
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[08:14:41] <palowoda> I thought Italy buys all of Libya's oil.
[08:14:46] <maxote> opensolaris is only for smaller expensive servers
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[08:15:05] <guru][> maxote, i was have FreeBSD 6.2, and i migrated to OpenSolaris, so thanks for the advice
[08:15:19] <guru][> palowoda, no you are wrong
[08:15:34] <maxote> FBSD 7.1-prerelease has dtrace too :)
[08:15:39] <palowoda> Read somewhere they had big contracts.
[08:16:06] <xRaich[o]2x> maxote: did you try it lately?
[08:16:09] <e^ipi> jbk, jmcp : how about now ? http://cr.opensolaris.org/~error404/chsh/
[08:16:11] <guru][> maxote, sounds like you want e^ipi to kick you from this room :D
[08:16:15] <palowoda> But hey if your selling oil you have a lot of customers.
[08:16:17] <Drigo> I am going to New Zealand in 2009 to study and work =D
[08:16:17] <maxote> yes xRaich[o]2x
[08:16:23] <guru][> Viva OpenSolaris
[08:16:27] <xRaich[o]2x> me too, crashed a lot
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[08:16:30] <Drigo> viva \o/
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[08:17:00] <xRaich[o]2x> it also messed up the way the kernel debugger worked
[08:17:15] <Drigo> see you later
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[08:18:48] <xRaich[o]2x> it also just has kernel tracing, no userland tracing. dtrace on freebsd is far from going primetime IMHO
[08:18:56] <e^ipi> jbk & jmcp : since i'm hoping to be able to dump this in oamuser anyways, i'm not going to worry about call_pass's ident lines
[08:18:59] <guru][> btw, is grub have the same configuration in OpenSolaris as linux, cuz i saw kernel$ and module$ in os line
[08:19:10] <e^ipi> guru][: yes.
[08:19:11] <jbk> oh stupid question
[08:19:20] <e^ipi> jbk: doubtful. what's up?
[08:19:24] <jbk> you're depending on $PATH to find passmgmt aren't you?
[08:20:02] <e^ipi> right...
[08:20:04] <e^ipi> fixed
[08:20:18] <guru][> root (hd0,4)
[08:20:42] <guru][> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-xxxxx ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet
[08:20:59] <guru][> initrd /boot/initrd-xxxxxx.img
[08:21:09] <guru][> but i got kernel panic :(
[08:21:36] <guru][> it's the same line that was in CentOS grub menu.lst
[08:21:56] <guru][> so what do you think?
[08:22:24] <jbk> what is the panic message?
[08:23:02] <guru][> jbk, wait a tick, let me restart my laptop
[08:23:44] <guru][> but am i blind, or there is no restart bottom in the gnome menu???
[08:24:01] <xRaich[o]2x> not in build86
[08:24:06] <guru][> just log-out, shutdown
[08:24:08] <guru][> weird
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[08:24:22] <xRaich[o]2x> guru][: has been fixed a long time ago ;)
[08:24:26] <guru][> sounds like i need to added it
[08:24:31] <palowoda> There is a shutdown icon.
[08:24:42] <guru][> but i need to do restart
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[08:24:49] <guru][> not shutdown palowoda
[08:25:04] <palowoda> ok type reboot
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[08:25:08] <guru][> jbk, here we go
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[08:26:45] <palowoda> Just curious CentOS doesn't use grub 2.x does it?
[08:27:23] <guru][> kernel panic - not sync unknow fs ......
[08:27:55] <jbk> hmm wonder if you need some extra options
[08:27:57] <sickness> the man page of centos 5.2 seems to say gnu grub 0.97 at the bottom...
[08:28:29] <palowoda> solaris grub was built on .96 if I remember correct.  Not much different.
[08:29:35] <sickness> result of rpm -q -a is grub-0.97-13.2
[08:29:55] <palowoda> solaris grub never changed any of the parsing of the menu's.  It just modified it for ufs and zfs boot.
[08:30:00] <sickness> does grub 2.x actually exist?
[08:30:21] <e^ipi> it exists in the hopes and dreams of little children
[08:30:30] <thechris> sweet
[08:30:32] <sickness> lolz
[08:30:33] <palowoda> It think it does but the grub team doesn't like solaris guys much.
[08:30:35] <guru][> but the weird thing, that the kernel panic disappeared now, and i got this:  filesystme type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 kernel /boot/vmlinuzxxxxxx  [Linux-bzimage, setup=0x1e00, size=0x1b7034] initrd initrd-xxxxxxxx Error 15: File not found
[08:30:36] <thechris> people call me childish
[08:30:49] <thechris> thus it exists
[08:33:22] <thechris> oh, i guess I might as well try to ask Q's ect as a social/experimental endevour
[08:33:52] <thechris> I have on order of, lets say 60GB of data that I want to never fail
[08:34:07] <guru][> anyway people, thanks for everything
[08:34:13] <guru][> got a lecture, gotta go
[08:34:18] <guru][> Cya
[08:34:26] <palowoda> ltr
[08:34:26] <thechris> eg, I want to have several backups, what is your reccomendations?
[08:34:29] <guru][> thanks jbk
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[08:37:31] <palowoda> thechris: 7*(50 cents per 60 gig drive) = 1 McDonalds hamberger which stores seven backups.
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[08:38:47] <palowoda> Or 7 zfs snapshots.
[08:39:30] <palowoda> Next time I go to McDonalds I got to order a zfs buger.
[08:39:57] <xRaich[o]2x> O_o
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[08:41:23] <palowoda> Gee I could even be famous and get a New Your Times article writen about a guy that actually tried to order a zfs buger.
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[08:41:37] <palowoda> burger
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[08:42:45] <thechris> more likely a cnn articl
[08:43:04] <thechris> "the suit was made of rubber cited web posting"
[08:43:22] <thechris> CNN has lower journalistic standards then wikipedia...
[08:44:19] <palowoda> thechris: Just use some external drives and do zfs snapshots of your data for several of your backups.
[08:45:01] <thechris> i had been thinking of a file system that did network backups periodically
[08:46:02] <palowoda> Than zfs send your snapshot.
[08:46:13] <thechris> though I'm not familar with snapshots
[08:46:21] <palowoda> You should be.
[08:46:36] <xRaich[o]2x> it's dead simple, read the manual ;)
[08:46:36] <palowoda> You want to slice cheese.
[08:47:09] <maxote> use cron and rsync to do backup
[08:47:20] <thechris> right now my home networks consist of my linux media center, my horrid win32 "desktop" and a server that isn't plugged it
[08:47:36] <palowoda> My appologies.
[08:48:08] <coffman_> xRaich[o]2x: up so early?
[08:48:22] <thechris> so realistically, I'm going to put some OS on my server, and put something on my desktop alongside win32
[08:48:49] <xRaich[o]2x> coffman_: ^^
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[08:49:01] <xRaich[o]2x> so it seems ;)
[08:49:18] <coffman_> xRaich[o]2x: still awake?
[08:49:27] <xRaich[o]2x> naah
[08:49:35] <coffman_> i am
[08:49:37] <coffman_> o0
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[08:49:46] <xRaich[o]2x> how come?
[08:50:14] <Drigo> com a boca
[08:50:15] <coffman> "one more level"
[08:50:15] <Drigo> o.O
[08:50:24] <xRaich[o]2x> coffman: lol
[08:50:28] <coffman> not that i was playing
[08:50:35] <coffman> but its the same problem
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[08:51:22] <Singh> hi
[08:52:31] * xRaich[o]2x needs to do some stuff for university.... -_-
[08:53:10] <Singh> I am a sudent and a beginner to Solaris OS. I just installed opensolaris, I need help in setting up ssh
[08:53:53] <Singh> can someone help  in setting it up on opensolaris so that I can login to my opensolaris os remotely through ssh
[08:54:19] <xRaich[o]2x> svcadm enable sshd
[08:54:26] <coffman> Singh: either you you screwed up the install already or you should be good
[08:54:32] <xRaich[o]2x> or ssh dunno
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[08:55:00] <coffman> Singh: which you have installed? solaris 10, sxce or opensolaris 2xxx.xx?
[08:55:19] <coffman> and did you even tried to login via ssh?
[08:55:22] <Singh> opensolaris 05.08
[08:55:26] <xRaich[o]2x> Singh: pfexec svcadm enable ssh
[08:55:32] <xRaich[o]2x> that should do the job
[08:55:39] <Singh> ok let me just check
[08:55:40] <coffman> man i need macros for such thing o0
[08:55:49] <coffman> Singh: mom
[08:56:23] <coffman> Singh: first svcs ssh
[08:58:16] <Singh> hey xRaich
[08:58:19] <Singh> thanks a ton man
[08:58:21] <Singh> it worked
[08:58:24] <xRaich[o]2x> :)
[08:58:28] <xRaich[o]2x> no problem
[08:58:32] <Singh> u rock
[08:58:34] <Singh> thanks a lot
[08:58:50] <coffman> xRaich[o]2x: isnt ssh enabled by default?
[08:58:56] <jbk> you know
[08:58:58] <bda> Pretty sure it is.
[08:58:59] <Singh> no it wasn't
[08:59:25] <xRaich[o]2x> coffman: wasn't on mine
[08:59:33] <jbk> you could probably shave 15 minutes off the ON build time if all the output files were put somewhere outside the source tree when building
[08:59:35] <Singh> actually I am using opensolaris live cd may be thats why
[08:59:47] <jbk> so make clobber can be rm -r $OBJDIR
[09:00:13] <coffman> ts
[09:00:21] <coffman> Singh: next time say so
[09:00:40] <coffman> Singh: you not installed it
[09:00:49] <xRaich[o]2x> coffman: iirc it was not on the installed system
[09:01:02] <Singh> yes, i did not install
[09:01:09] <xRaich[o]2x> +enabled
[09:01:10] <Singh> im using live cd to test
[09:01:19] <coffman> 08:53  Singh> I am a sudent and a beginner to Solaris OS. I just installed opensolaris
[09:01:25] <xRaich[o]2x> evaluating opensolaris?
[09:01:31] <coffman> a bit confusing dont ya think Singh ? :P
[09:01:49] <Singh> yes, sorry bout that
[09:01:59] <Singh> I mean i setup the solaris using live cd
[09:02:09] <Singh> will install it now
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[09:02:58] <Singh> <xRaich[o]2x> Singh: pfexec svcadm enable ssh
[09:03:03] <Singh> can u please tell
[09:03:07] <Singh> what is pfexec for?
[09:03:20] <Singh> and wats svcadm- i guess for admin?
[09:03:21] <xRaich[o]2x> pfexec is something like sudo
[09:03:27] <xRaich[o]2x> only better
[09:05:04] <xRaich[o]2x> you might want to read about the SMF in solaris ;)
[09:06:15] <xRaich[o]2x> with svcadm you can administrate system services etc
[09:06:47] <Singh> how to read SMF?
[09:06:52] <Singh> where i need to go?
[09:06:54] <Singh> any link?
[09:07:15] <palowoda> man smf
[09:07:15] <xRaich[o]2x> docs.sun.com there you can download TONS of handbooks :P
[09:07:16] <victori_> odd
[09:07:27] <victori_> I am trying to set volblocksize to 8kb it isn't letting me do it?
[09:07:35] <Singh> thanks
[09:07:36] <victori_>  zfs set volblocksize=8k rpool/pgdata  missing anything?
[09:07:44] <victori_> cannot set property for 'rpool/pgdata': 'volblocksize' does not apply to datasets of this type
[09:07:48] <Singh> please bear with me I am totally new to unix
[09:07:56] <xRaich[o]2x> Singh: man smf is useful too
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[09:08:59] <victori_> ah I was looking for recordsize
[09:11:10] <Singh> I am using secure shell ssh which is the best client for windows OS?
[09:11:31] <palowoda> windows ssh of coarse
[09:11:38] <bda> putty?
[09:12:08] <Singh> is there any default ssh client in windows/?
[09:12:15] <palowoda> no
[09:12:20] <Singh> ohk!
[09:12:25] <palowoda> kind of lame isn't it.
[09:12:55] <coffman> Singh: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
[09:13:04] <Singh> earlier they had Hyperterminal I guess
[09:14:46] <palowoda> So did ssh.com actually go proprietary?
[09:15:03] <palowoda> They use to give out a free version.
[09:15:32] <Singh> i have ssh secure sheell available for free from my univ. :-)
[09:15:35] <Singh> I think its good
[09:15:52] <coffman> Singh: go with putty
[09:16:04] <Singh> thanks coffman
[09:16:40] <coffman> older versions of ssh.com's client cant do utf8 etc
[09:16:42] <palowoda> I guess putty is the new replacement for the stuff from sshtectia.
[09:17:01] <palowoda> coffman: Ahh didn't know that.
[09:17:57] * bda has been using putty since 1998 at least.
[09:18:02] <bda> How old is sshtectia?
[09:18:19] <palowoda> I always thought ssh.com was dragging an open source project to hell.
[09:18:33] <palowoda> bda: www.ssh.com
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[09:18:55] <palowoda> http://www.ssh.com/products/
[09:18:58] <bda> Ah, didn't know it had another name.
[09:19:06] <bda> Never used it. :)
[09:19:09] <palowoda> Yeah they are playing games.
[09:20:07] <coffman> ssh.com is the choice if you need fips etc
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[09:21:04] <palowoda> They supplied the free version under the gise of academic evaluation.  They hide it quite well on the website. Lately I don't know where it is.
[09:22:28] <coffman> putty has now support for serial devices
[09:22:48] <coffman> since that, i dont use any other terminal client under windows
[09:23:24] <palowoda> I guess putty is winning over the once standard of ssh.com.  Go figure.
[09:24:49] <palowoda> Strange world, ssh had no presents in the Windows world years ago.
[09:26:05] <palowoda> Bill Gates failed us with ssh.
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[09:37:48] <whoami08> palowoda: they have RDP
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[09:44:34] <palowoda> whoami08: RDP work with Soloars <-> Windows?
[09:44:39] <palowoda> Solaris
[09:46:39] <Yorlik> If I want to have a memory cap for a zone after installation - would reconfiguring it with zonecfg and rebooting be sufficient ? If not - what else ?
[09:47:18] <e^ipi> rcapd
[09:48:02] <Yorlik> I see - just refresh rcapd after the zonecfg then ?
[09:48:25] <e^ipi> google it, there's more detailed descriptions than i'm going to be able to give you
[09:48:59] <Yorlik> Allright. Thanks.
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[10:43:57] <corpxicle> hey
[10:44:17] <corpxicle> im having trouble mounting cifs share from my opensolaris guest to my windows host
[10:45:40] <whoami08> corpxicle: http://developers.sun.com/openstorage/articles/opensolaris_nas.html
[10:46:52] <corpxicle> thanks, but the other way around =)
[10:47:00] <corpxicle> i want to mount the share in opensolaris
[10:48:58] <whoami08> http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/entry/accessing_windows_shares
[10:51:27] <corpxicle> ooooh
[10:51:34] <corpxicle> you have to enable the smb client ?
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[11:41:12] <evocallaghan> Hey lads.. Check this out, http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2008092603/ Looks like UltraSPARC Rock is on its way after all !
[11:41:53] <e^ipi> yes, we talked all about that about 5 or 6 hours ago
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[11:48:11] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:*we* did ?
[11:48:15] <evocallaghan> O_o
[11:51:14] <Mazon> http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/opensolaris/1222466400 <-- [06:22:37]
[11:53:04] <e^ipi> some of us cheat by getting annoyingly regular ON gate updates in our email
[11:53:14] <evocallaghan> Mazon:Yea, I saw that.. Although I don't complealy live on here you know ..
[11:53:26] <e^ipi> why not?
[11:53:26] <e^ipi> ( i do )
[11:53:39] <evocallaghan> e^ipi:Np far, forward on to me.. I want to try 100
[11:54:08] <e^ipi> i meant the HG changelogs
[11:54:52] <evocallaghan> Oh.. How do I get them
[11:55:09] <e^ipi> no idae
[11:55:13] <evocallaghan> Guess I would need to be part of Sun WAN :p
[11:55:46] <e^ipi> there might be one out there for non-sun people
[11:55:54] <e^ipi> for a while CIA-25 was spewing them in here
[11:58:06] <evocallaghan> spew away :p
[11:58:17] <evocallaghan> I did a checkin the other day
[11:58:33] <e^ipi> checkout
[11:59:37] * e^ipi wonders if the terms "bringover" and "putback" will remain for much longer
[12:01:27] <evocallaghan> Sorry yes
[12:01:48] <evocallaghan> Bit busy here.. I should go away until I start making sense again
[12:04:14] <e^ipi> fun fact: you probably won't be able to build that clone until next week some time
[12:04:52] <e^ipi> because of http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2008092401/
[12:06:03] <sartek> who is responsible for CIA-25 ?
[12:06:10] <trygvis> cia.vc
[12:06:11] <e^ipi> no idea
[12:06:14] <e^ipi> there you go
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[12:06:35] <sartek> i mean who ]registered it
[12:06:58] <sartek> last message: 16:45 on Aug 25
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[12:07:06] <sartek> prolly coz the hg switch
[12:09:29] <trygvis> I think it says on the home page for the bot
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[12:24:48] <lucianno> hi guys
[12:25:42] <lucianno> does the opensolaris have support ntfs?
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[12:26:30] <whoami08> not out of the box
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[13:03:01] <matsuura> alright guys, got sxce back up >:)
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[13:12:33] <ofu> when will mptt (SAS Target Mode) be in nevada?
[13:16:23] <jmcp> no idea
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[13:16:46] <jmcp> is this for COMSTAR use?
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[13:31:51] <ofu> yes, comstar with sas, not fc
[13:33:24] <Yorlik> Anyone else having constant problems with winetricks from the SFEwine.spec ? It always tells me "xyz is not an identifer" when I chose an install option ....
[13:33:39] <jmcp> ofu: I don't know whether the COMSTAR folks are working on it, but my group (SAS team) definitely isn't
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[13:35:49] <ofu> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/comstar/Documentation/ReleaseNotes/ -> 02/01/2008, but the mptt link is broken
[13:38:12] <jmcp> email storage-discuss and/or the comstar mailing list, and hassle the comstar folks
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[13:49:52] <ormandj> anybody with sun/unix background have any info on all of these unix keys? i acquired a sun type 7 unix layout keyboard, and i'm curious what the stop/again/props/undo/front/copy/open/paste/find/cut keys are/were used for on unix systems back when these were more common. oh yes, and alt graph, too.
[13:50:39] <ormandj> couldn't find any info on the web, my searches only explained the compose key (for special characters.) oh yes, and the key with the diamond on the left and right of the space bar, curious about that as well :)
[13:51:04] <nemski> stop sends a break signal
[13:51:11] <nemski> copy past do the obvious
[13:51:23] <nemski> as for the rest, no idea
[13:51:32] <ormandj> fair enough, makes sense for those.
[13:52:04] <jmcp> ormandj: you need to go back to NeWS
[13:52:18] <jmcp> and/or OpenWindows
[13:52:43] <ormandj> jmcp: i'm actually a cli person for the most part, that's why i was curious if they had some usage on a terminal
[13:52:56] * LeftWing has Shift+Open mapped to exec rxvt
[13:53:04] <LeftWing> and Ctrl+Find mapped to Maximise Window
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[13:53:37] <jmcp> ormandj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS
[13:53:57] <ormandj> LeftWing: yeah, i'm aware i can re-purpose them, i was more interested in the historical usage :) i'll find uses for them, as my general unix session == executing screen in a terminal, and going from there
[13:54:03] <ormandj> thanks jmcp, checking it out
[13:54:37] <LeftWing> Front seemed to drop the current window to the back of the Z order without changing focus in CDE -- that might be motivated by historic behaviour.
[13:54:42] <jmcp> stop+A sends a break to your workstation or server - drop you to OBP on a Sparc box
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[13:56:06] <ormandj> news looks like it was a pretty cool system
[13:56:21] <jmcp> yeah, mostly
[13:56:35] <jmcp> as that article points out, it made some mistakes
[13:57:39] <ormandj> i was particularily in agreement with the difficulty of server side maint, when modifying client-side code
[13:57:50] <ormandj> that's a deal breaker
[13:57:56] <ormandj> (at least, would have been for me)
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[14:01:25] <MadHag> man I have a headache
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[14:02:48] <ormandj> MadHag: naproxen sodium does the trick
[14:03:03] <MadHag> or just more drink
[14:03:13] <MadHag> hair of the dog that bit you
[14:03:19] <ormandj> if drink == liquor, you'll just delaying pain
[14:03:26] <ormandj> ll->re
[14:03:42] <ormandj> if you really want to cure a hangover, buy some pedialyte
[14:03:43] <MadHag> first time I had a drink in 6 months was last night
[14:04:39] <MadHag> last time as well I expect
[14:04:41] <ormandj> it doesn't taste the best, but it'll sort you out in a jiffy. it's about as good as you can get without going the IV route
[14:05:19] <MadHag> missus aint happy, I was obnoxious I expect
[14:05:50] <MadHag> hungry though today :)
[14:05:59] <MadHag> gonna eat well tonight
[14:07:15] <jimm3rs> I need a cisco vpn client for os x86. Build of vpnc fails. Is there any solution?
[14:07:39] <ormandj> jimm3rs: what's the build failure? i've not tried building it yet, but will be soon
[14:08:05] <ormandj> i think cisco only puts out sparc solaris binaries, unless they've change their operation lately
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[14:17:43] <whoami08> didn't the marketing say you can flat recompile sparc source on x86? :)
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[14:31:31] <jimmers> Seems noone uses vpn on solaris intel...
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[14:31:57] <jmcp> jimmers: nobody uses _Cisco_'s vpn on Solaris for the x86/x64 platforms
[14:32:34] <jmcp> whoami08: if your source is in a higher level language than machine code, and adheres to published, documented interfaces, then yes you should be able to just recompile and have it work
[14:32:41] <jmcp> most people don't seem to do that, however
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[14:33:19] <codestr0m> e^ipi: how often does hg.opensolaris.org/hg/emancipation/emancipation-gate merge with onnv-gate ?
[14:33:39] <jimmers> Ubfortunately my company uses cisco device on the other end
[14:33:45] <whoami08> jmcp: that's why there's no recent acrobat in x86?
[14:33:54] <jmcp> whoami08: no
[14:34:15] <jmcp> whoami08: Acrobat is Adobe's product, and many years ago they made a decision that the platform wasn't worth supporting
[14:34:41] <jmcp> that's not Sun's decision, and it also does not reflect on the machine-independence or whatever of their code
[14:35:04] <jimmers> But wait: if I had non-cisco vpn server, how this could help?
[14:35:13] <ormandj> jimmers: you going to tell us what the build error was, or no?
[14:35:30] <ormandj> jimmers: i guess you didn't see my last msg to you since your network dropped
[14:35:38] <jmcp> jimmers: one would hope that if you had a non-Cisco vpn box, that the box had support for non-Windows clients
[14:35:50] <jmcp> isn't there some openvpn client or something?
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[14:36:16] <ormandj> jmcp: unfortunately, vpnc is generally the only option, and it tends to not compile cleanly on anything but linux
[14:36:27] <jimmers> The build of vpnc needs tun driver which does not compile not to mention it was last updated 4 years ago approx
[14:36:27] <ormandj> but i've gotten it built before, just curious what build issues he's having
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[14:37:41] <jimmers> Do you have detailed instructions how to build vpnc?
[14:38:05] <jmcp> jimmers: have you looked at http://vtun.sourceforge.net/tun, http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2006-09/msg00143.html, http://www.whiteboard.ne.jp/~admin2/tuntap/ ?
[14:38:07] <ormandj> i just fixed it when i built it the first time, that's why i'm again asking what your build errors were (for the last time)
[14:38:19] <jmcp> they were on the first page of hits from google for "solaris tun driver"
[14:39:06] <jmcp> that last link has instructions
[14:39:08] <jmcp> read them
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[14:40:17] <ormandj> http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2007-03/msg00254.html  <-- see that if you're having 64 bit issues with the modules, as well
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[14:40:45] <hile_> any kiwis alive at this hour?
[14:40:46] <ormandj> what's up with finnland?
[14:40:50] <hile_> hey james.
[14:40:57] <jmcp> hiya hile_
[14:41:04] <jmcp> ormandj: they're all dead in a school shooting
[14:41:28] <ormandj> hm, blood must have run down to the backbone and clogged it up
[14:41:58] <ormandj> jimmers: http://www.whiteboard.ne.jp/~admin2/tuntap/ and http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2007-03/msg00254.html
[14:42:04] <ormandj> or jimm3rs or whomever
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[14:43:29] <Yorlik> svccfg -v -s mysql:version_50  setprop mysql/enable_64bit=true    <-- What am I doing wrong, since it is not setting the property to true ?
[14:43:32] <jimm3rs> Let me check
[14:44:15] <jmcp> Yorlik: try giving the full FMRI
[14:44:22] <Yorlik> Allright.
[14:44:34] <trygvis> Yorlik: did you do a refresh?
[14:44:57] <Yorlik> Dang ! That myght be the cause as well ..
[14:45:36] <Yorlik> Yeah ! The refresh was the msitake ... /me slaps forehead ..
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[14:48:33] <Yorlik> Thanks again !
[14:48:45] <Yorlik> mysql
[14:48:48] <Yorlik> oops ..
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[15:00:18] <ky-san> a dumb question: how do I install man pages? I've installed sxce from v1 cd
[15:00:34] <ky-san> and there are no man pages at all
[15:00:58] <ky-san> (actually I've selected something like minimal installation/core only)
[15:01:26] <ky-san> (and today is the first day I'm playing with solaris)
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[15:06:53] <Yorlik> ky-san: You have nothing under /usr/share/man ?
[15:09:08] <ky-san> nothing
[15:09:29] <ky-san> well I've only man1 directory with manuals for 7z
[15:09:29] <Yorlik> There are packages containing the man pages. You could install them
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[15:10:06] <Yorlik> e.g. the package SUNWsfman contains GNU manpages
[15:10:27] <ky-san> I'm trying to do it right now
[15:10:32] <Yorlik> With pkginfo you get info on your installed packages
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[15:11:37] <Yorlik> on the desktop you could also try a "prodreg" to see whats installed.
[15:12:18] <ky-san> I
[15:12:27] <ky-san> 'm running sxce on ultra 5
[15:12:39] <Yorlik> <==x64
[15:12:40] <ky-san> and solaris has no drivers for the builtin VGA
[15:12:56] <Yorlik> try xvnc then
[15:13:15] <Yorlik> if you have vncserver installed
[15:14:00] <Yorlik> Packages are SUNWtvnc, SUNWxvnc and SUNWvncviewer
[15:14:32] <Yorlik> I think the first contains both, server and client
[15:14:52] <ky-san> tvnc stands for tightvnc?
[15:15:57] <Yorlik> yes
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[15:16:35] <Yorlik> paths needed for using "vncserver" are /opt/SUNVtvnc/bin and /usr7X/bin
[15:16:45] <Yorlik> 7=/
[15:17:14] <Yorlik> oops -- another typo : /opt/SUNWtvnc/bin and /usr/X/bin
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[15:18:01] <ky-san> actually why not to just export DISPLAY=blabla:0.0?
[15:18:33] <Yorlik> vncserver is faster ...
[15:18:57] <Yorlik> But of course you can just do remoe X
[15:19:00] <Yorlik> t
[15:21:45] <nemski> Yorlik: try that over a FPN
[15:21:47] <nemski> *VPN
[15:22:19] <Yorlik> Yeah .. ssh -XC can do as well ..
[15:25:43] <Yorlik> Actually i use vnc over ssh to have persistent gnome-sessions that don't break on disconnect
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[15:27:45] <Yorlik> And for some reason that crappy cygwin xserver likes to hang ...
[15:28:11] <Yorlik> So I prefer vncviewer and server
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[15:40:55] <Yorlik> If I don't use xen, I can disable all that system/xvm stuff, right ?
[15:42:03] <Yorlik> I also want to disable the graphical login screen, since I don't need it ...
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[15:51:35] <htraki> hi to all
[15:54:13] <htraki> I would liket to know Can I make dual boot with opensolaris installer?
[15:55:51] <ky-san_> opensolaris uses grub as a bootloader. so you can do everything you want with it
[15:57:16] <htraki> Alright, Thanks
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[16:00:00] <ky-san_> how do I mount an iso image in solaris? what is the solaris losetup/vndconfig alternative?
[16:02:01] <TomJ> lofiadm
[16:02:37] <TomJ> lofiadm -a /path/to/isofile ; mount -o ro -F hsfs /dev/lofi/1 /some/mountpoint
[16:02:51] <ky-san_> thanks!
[16:03:00] <TomJ> umount /some/mountpoint ; lofiadm -d /dev/lofi/1   # to undo
[16:04:48] <Yorlik> Sometimes I wish I could directly mount my brain to the box and bypass all that RTFMing ...
[16:07:16] <Yorlik> I wonder if there is a way to have a gnome session in a windowed X with cygwin. I always use "XWin -fullscreen &" to fire up my local x, since if I don't do that it messes up my gnomes (toolbar and stuff disconnected). Is vnc really the only way ?
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[16:10:27] <Aspin65> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=1219
[16:10:41] <Aspin65> Boinc for opensolaris, cool
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[16:40:35] <TomJ> sigh, virtualbox 2.0.2 hardlocks Solaris 10 U5
[16:40:46] <TomJ> I really wish they'd just not release this shit until they'd actually tested it
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[16:47:02] <hile_> but they're trying to make Solaris act like Linux.
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[17:38:47] <codestr0m> TomJ: what's your hw and is a QA thing because of your arch.. have you filed a bug report.. ?
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[17:44:09] <TomJ> codestr0m: there's already a few posts about it on the forum, but yeah I will
[17:44:17] <TomJ> in this case it's possibly crashing because I'm runnning vbox in a zone
[17:44:42] <TomJ> though the symptoms (complete hard lockup, no panic, no response to anything) is identical to another crash I had with 1.6.x which was related to using a Dynamic VDI  instead of fixed
[17:44:53] <TomJ> I'm using fixed now in 2.0.2 and it still crashes, though I was also trying to run it in a zone
[17:45:25] <TomJ> my hardware is Xeon x64, 8 cores, 16gb RAM,  Solaris 10 U5 with recent patches (kernel 137112-02)
[17:45:27] <TomJ> *-06
[17:46:25] <TomJ> to frank vbox has been a disaster on Solaris ever since it came out.  1.5 the first 'solaris supported' release wouldnt even load on Solaris 10 x64 both because of bad library paths (fixable with LD_LIBRARY_PATH) and because of a missing ldpi 64bit library (fixable only by getting that 64bit library from SXCE and adding it to Sol10)
[17:46:36] <TomJ> that was fixed by 1.5.4 but I still couldnt load VMs, I forget why now
[17:46:51] <TomJ> then 1.6 did work, except for the hard lockup with a dynamic VDI.  I got it running usefully wiht a fixed VDI in the end
[17:47:04] <TomJ> now 2.0.2 I tried to run in a zone (because apparently that should work OK now), but it still hard locks up
[17:48:56] <TomJ> I suppose 2.0.2 would probably work in the global, but to be honest I'm a bit jaded about trying it now.  every time the box hard locks I risk FS corruption, and if it hard locks up after I installed it (and if I've forgotten to manually make the boot-archive), I cant cleanly reboot because the boot archive is out of date
[17:49:08] <TomJ> it just seems too bothersome to even try right now
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[18:05:05] <codestr0m> TomJ: if you're a heavy user of this.. maybe pull the source and try to debug the issue
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[18:41:29] <Yorlik> Is there a way to start a program from the commandline and attach and restrict it to a dedicated CPU ?
[18:41:53] <Yorlik> Just for a quick test
[18:43:49] <seanmcg> man pbind
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[18:44:41] <seanmcg> pbind -b X foo, where X is the cpu to bind it to and foo is the process id of the.. process.
[18:46:01] <seanmcg> you can even bind specific threads of the process - if the process is multi-threads and you'd like to.
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[18:46:55] <MIPC4> hi
[18:47:02] <MIPC4> any one knows how can i know how many pages are linked to mi website?
[18:47:35] <Yorlik> seanmcg: Thanks !
[18:49:04] <seanmcg> MIPC4, you can use pmap -L on the webserver process to find out how many pages
[18:49:08] <seanmcg> :-)
[18:49:26] <MIPC4> seanmcg the problem is a public blog :/
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[18:50:30] <seanmcg> so ?  you can still use pmap to see how many pages are attached/mapped to the process.  Assuming you've access to the webserver.
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[18:51:33] <MIPC4> seanmcg i just have access to the wordpress
[18:52:25] <seanmcg> the wordpress server ?
[18:53:00] <MIPC4> is a blogsome.com blog
[18:53:27] <seanmcg> so no access to the blog server then ?
[18:53:55] <MIPC4> nop
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[18:54:31] <seanmcg> you could ask the webserver admins to run pmap and see how much memory its using..
[18:55:15] <MIPC4> seanmcg yeah maybe that is a good idea :)
[18:55:43] <seanmcg> assuming the blog server is running solaris of course
[18:56:04] <MIPC4> i see
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[18:56:24] <MIPC4> this is my site http://bsdnetwork.blogsome.com/
[18:57:22] <jamesd> MIPC4, google the name of your site, or each story you think is popular and see or install google analytics or analiyser
[18:57:53] <MIPC4> jamesd ahh thats a good idea too :)
[19:02:39] <jamesd> MIPC4, you may want to add a bit of color to your site, i have seen  serial console (vt100) with more color than that page.
[19:03:08] <MIPC4> jamesd yeah maybe :P
[19:05:30] <MIPC4> jamesd do u have blog? :)
[19:05:41] <jamesd> uadmin.blogspot.com
[19:05:50] <MIPC4> lets see :)
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[19:07:44] <MIPC4> nice one :)
[19:07:44] <jamesd> i need to post more often
[19:08:28] <MIPC4> what happend with dns wordl?
[19:10:43] <jbk> hello
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[19:22:27] <jbk> uugh.. i'm so close to going out and buying a new laptop today...
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[20:00:35] <CosmicDJ> jmcp: you got one patch version wrong in your current blog entry -> "124870-02 td> Sun Studio 12: Patch for Sun Performance Library" td>
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[20:09:24] <sstallion> jbk: issues?
[20:10:23] <jbk> well the dvd drive is broken, the keyboard doesn't work well
[20:10:29] <jbk> etc. etc.
[20:12:34] <jbk> the battery connection is flaky so i have to leave it plugged in
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[20:12:58] <jbk> i've had it for 3-4 years now, and used it heavily, so it's probably about time..
[20:19:54] <jbk> but then the question is finding one that is supported by solaris
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[20:29:56] <kimc> whats the best ldap client on opensolaris?
[20:31:17] <kimc> looks like ldap client which ships with solaris requires setting up nis to work
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[20:32:29] <jbk> for authentication?
[20:32:35] <kimc> yes
[20:32:39] <jbk> it doesn't
[20:32:43] <kimc> heh
[20:34:11] <jbk> it is easiest with sun's directory server
[20:34:19] <jbk> though not strictly necessary
[20:35:39] <kimc> i've installed openldap and am looking for a client to use with it
[20:36:06] <jbk> well sun's will work, but you're probably going to have to do some more work to get things working
[20:38:28] <kimc> yes it would definitely be some work to get the native solaris ldap client working.. i was hoping the client shipping with opensolaris was different
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[20:42:03] <jbk> no it's the same codebase
[20:42:28] <jbk> the biggest thing is just havin all the schema elements loaded on the ldap server
[20:44:25] <kimc> you need to do an nis setup on opensolaris no?
[20:46:03] <jbk> no
[20:46:13] <jbk> you have to have all the schema elements loaded
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[20:46:24] <kimc> the man page for ldapclient on opensolaris is dated Jun 08.. maybe this is different
[20:46:26] <jbk> then you can either manually configure all the parameters
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[20:47:07] <jbk> or you create an ldap object that contains the config info and tell the client to use that (the advantage being it will periodically -- based on the ttl value -- refresh the local config from that object
[20:47:38] <jbk> it does call the domain the 'nis domain' but that's just bad terminology
[20:49:03] <kimc> ok thanks for that.. this looks good
[20:49:52] <sstallion> jbk: just go with a macbook
[20:50:20] <sstallion> ive been using an mbp for the last few years now
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[20:53:42] <jbk> hmm dunno.. i've been hearing that apple's qa (at least for os x) has been going downhill recently.. as well as some of their stunts with dealing with problems.. i'd rather have something a bit less expensive that runs solaris well..
[20:54:37] <sstallion> I've not had any issues personally but I def. understand the hesitation
[20:54:46] <sstallion> I think the Ferrari's are pretty popular
[20:54:53] <sstallion> although I'm not a big fan of Acer
[20:54:58] <Yorlik> What is the best method to have a small internal network with zones ? Most of the zones have an external static IP, but some have not, like the database. Should I just overload the external interface with the internal IPs in zonecfg? And how would I activate these - which service to refresh ?
[20:55:02] <sstallion> lenovo machines are generally pretty solid
[20:55:22] <jbk> that's what i have now (old ferrari), aside from the broadcom wireless.. has been decent
[20:55:36] <sstallion> Yorlik: you need to read on zones... you don't have a choice; all zoned hosts have statically assigned addresses
[20:55:59] <sstallion> i've had dells in the past... they were workhorses
[20:56:01] <jbk> probably need to find something w/ nvidia graphics, intel wireless & ethernet
[20:56:05] <sstallion> *nod*
[20:56:09] <sstallion> avoid broadcom for sure
[20:56:16] <jbk> if i could find something that supported the vx extensions.. that'd be a big plus
[20:56:27] <sstallion> thats the exact hardware in a mbp btw, except it uses atheros wifi
[20:56:33] <sstallion> again, the mbp :)
[20:56:36] <Yorlik> Doh - I just don't want to waste a statis IP for the database ... seems another RTFM session coming up ...
[20:56:50] <sstallion> ?
[20:57:03] <sstallion> Yorlik: if these are on an internal network ,why does it matter ?
[20:57:31] <Yorlik> the webserver and other zones have external IPs, but they need to access the internal zones
[20:57:58] <Yorlik> I just need some sort of internal hub for this.
[20:58:07] <sstallion> you can route between zones
[20:58:12] <Yorlik> And crossbow isn't in sxce yet, is it ?
[20:58:18] <sstallion> you don't need that
[20:58:47] <Yorlik> I think I still haven't really got the concept of zone networking.
[20:59:26] <sstallion> add an interface, define an address
[20:59:36] <sstallion> if you want multiple networks, define multiple interfaces
[20:59:39] <Yorlik> loopback interface then ?
[20:59:44] <sstallion> eh? no
[20:59:58] <sstallion> this box has two interfaces I assume
[21:00:04] <sstallion> one for internal, one for external ?
[21:00:17] <Yorlik> There is only one external uplink
[21:00:25] <Yorlik> its only one box
[21:00:45] <Yorlik> the other NICs are reserved to vmware in case I need ws2003r2
[21:01:00] <sstallion> then they will all need a valid address on that subnet... otherwise you will need crossbow to provide some amount of network virtualization
[21:01:29] <sstallion> for all intents and purposes, zoned hosts should be viewed as being separate
[21:01:35] <Yorlik> Allright. Maybe I can use the underlying esxi server insted -- vmnets ..
[21:02:10] <sstallion> you can't just invent a virtual network, at least not yet ;)
[21:02:26] <Yorlik> Okay. Thanks. I'll try with esxi then ..
[21:02:47] <Yorlik> though I'd pefer a Solaris only solution
[21:02:52] <sstallion> mind you, you can route between the zones without going over the physical interfaces, but they all have to belong to a valid physical network
[21:03:47] <sstallion> one option which is a little hacked up, is that you might be able to define your external host as the global zone
[21:03:58] <sstallion> and all subordinate services are non-global zones on some made up network
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[21:04:28] <Yorlik> web, application and database are on different nonglobal zones.
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[21:05:00] <sstallion> well, then either you get cute with port redirection, or you make your webserver the global zone (which really doesnt make much sense)
[21:05:09] <sstallion> zones aren't normally used this way
[21:05:30] * sstallion wanders off...
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[21:18:31] <guru][> helloo
[21:18:42] <guru][> jbk, u there?
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[22:01:47] <codestr0m> I'm trying to get more familiar with the O/N code and compiled emancipation gate.. I have /usr/local/src/emancipation-gate/proto/root_i386/usr/ucb/ls , but the output of it doesn't seem to match the current ls..
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[22:07:11] <e^ipi> the emancipation gate doesn't build
[22:07:23] <e^ipi> not cleanly anyways
[22:07:28] <e^ipi> libc is pretty broken
[22:08:09] <e^ipi> it's also about 3 builds old
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[22:12:01] <e^ipi> ( you also still do need closed_bins, just nuke libc_i18n.a from them )
[22:12:35] <e^ipi> alright, this tribal knowledge crap is getting ridiculous
[22:12:44] <e^ipi> anyone know who's responsible for mailing lists?
[22:12:50] <e^ipi> id est, setting them up
[22:13:40] <jbk> Insufficient space in /var/sadm/pkg to save old files.
[22:13:40] <jbk> Space required in kilobytes:  221172
[22:13:40] <jbk> Space available in kilobytes:  334584984
[22:13:42] <jbk> heh
[22:14:47] <e^ipi> o_O
[22:15:07] <jbk> trying to get a working ss12 install for compiling ON
[22:15:16] <jbk> might just say screw it until they release the tarballs
[22:16:09] <e^ipi> yeah, evidently there's a perf lib or something missing?
[22:16:17] <e^ipi> i dunno, i wasn't paying attention
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[22:18:23] <e^ipi> not entirely sure why the switch happened /before/ the compilers were avail. for non-Sun people...
[22:18:28] <e^ipi> *grumble*
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[22:29:06] <sstallion> e^ipi: meh. I'm rather aggravated that support for 11 has been deprecated
[22:29:15] <sstallion> fortunately I have an older clone on this machine
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[22:30:02] <e^ipi> not a fan of 12?
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[22:31:06] <e^ipi> hey comay
[22:32:41] <domutaka> why solaris 10 says sunos 5.11 , also opensolaris does the same . are they really version 11
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[22:34:05] <e^ipi> solaris 10 's uname doesn't say 5.11
[22:34:09] <e^ipi> it says 5.10
[22:34:40] <e^ipi> SXCE/opensolaris/all the other distros say 5.11, because that's the version of it
[22:34:49] <comay> hey e^ipi
[22:36:23] <domutaka> but the dvd image which i use i downloaded from sun last year is of solaris 10
[22:37:06] <e^ipi> comay: how goes?
[22:37:13] <e^ipi> domutaka: then it will say 5.10.
[22:37:40] <e^ipi> domutaka: if it doesn't, then it's not solaris 10... it's probably Solaris Express Developer Edition or something
[22:40:16] <e^ipi> domutaka: cat /etc/release for details
[22:41:38] <domutaka> i powered off the running pc and added some ram. and when i boot   boot:archive service is scheduled for maintannce. how can i bring it up
[22:42:07] <e^ipi> clear the maintenence state ( man svcadm )
[22:42:08] <domutaka> i can use su mode with shell and root access
[22:42:37] * e^ipi is beginning to wonder if this is an elaborate troll... if so, kudos to you good sir.
[22:43:31] <Yorlik> sstallion: esxi saved my day .. just added another virtual nic and switch for my internal zones network....quite easy after all ...Thanks again for the clarification before and saving me useless work ...
[22:44:24] <comay> e^ipi, it goes well
[22:45:51] <domutaka> e^ipi: are you greek
[22:48:51] <corpsicle> is there a good introduction document to dtrace ?
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[22:51:01] * e^ipi points at /topic
[22:51:08] <e^ipi> docs.sun.com has all sorts of great stuff
[22:51:18] <corpsicle> yea i just found some massive thing
[22:51:21] <corpsicle> 408 pages >_<
[22:51:26] <e^ipi> yep, that'd be the one
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[22:53:30] <e^ipi> celeronrcrunch: irc-ing as root is stupid.
[22:54:26] <e^ipi> it's a good way to get owned
[22:55:13] <corpsicle> oh right
[22:55:19] <corpsicle> e^ipi
[22:55:26] <corpsicle> about opensolaris in virtualbox
[22:55:37] <e^ipi> yep?
[22:55:40] <corpsicle> as far as i understand shared directories doesnt work ?
[22:55:49] <e^ipi> i couldn't get NFS to work
[22:56:00] <corpsicle> people seem to be using cifs
[22:56:13] <e^ipi> shared directories might, but it's CIFS, which wipes out unix permissions and is case insensitive
[22:56:21] <e^ipi> so it's not a lot of use to me
[22:56:29] <e^ipi> if i were using windows it might be, but i don't
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[22:57:09] <corpsicle> well i cant seem to get shared directories to work, and a lot of people seem to have similar issues
[22:57:25] <corpsicle> and im running it on vista host, so it should be ok to share a dir and mount it cifs ?
[22:57:34] <corpsicle> thing is, i cant get that to work either =D
[22:58:31] <e^ipi> i haven't used it , so i'm not really the right person to ask
[22:59:10] <corpsicle> ok
[22:59:24] <corpsicle> it doesnt seem to be the most common combination, vista and opensolaris
[23:10:21] <holcomb> hmmm when is 99 expected?
[23:12:35] <corpsicle> i wonder if i should print this book at work =P
[23:12:37] <corpsicle> 408 pages
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[23:12:56] <corpsicle> probably cheaper than buying a book on the subject
[23:18:30] <e^ipi> holcomb: 2 weeks after 98
[23:18:33] <e^ipi> usually
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[23:27:45] <sparc> error 99 is coz of conflict that's not resolved
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[23:36:15] <sparc> i had error 99 for cups daemon on a knoppix box.
[23:37:29] <e^ipi> what?
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